The gaffer

[Keepthefaith]

Okay, I get the argument for time but I really don’t get what anyone can have seen so far to say he’s a million times better than recent managers. That’s just not credible.

Not credible? He's dropped Hanlon and Lewis as everyone wanted, he's got us played attractive passing game, not the hoofball under LJ. He's promoted youth on merit and has clearly improved the confidence and ability of some players ( rocky, miller, jair).

Not his fault we didn't hold on at killie. He'll have learned lessons from county.

Have you ever started a new job and it's taken you a while to suss it out? It's the reason most jobs have a 6 month probation period to evidence progress. 6 months, not 6 weeks.

[Keepthefaith]

Sheffield United are gone - no way are they staying up!

They're literally 2 points behind Luton!

[LaMotta]

They're literally 2 points behind Luton!

I think they are doomed already - will revisit this at the end of the season:greengrin

[LaMotta]

Agreed. He can’t help Youan miss-dribbling with nobody near him.

He's the only man other than Youan that can help that - by taking him off when we are leading 2-1.

[Unseen work]

I actually really like him and what he’s trying to do.

We’re killing ourselves at times but I think we look a good side.

A January window/players coming back from injuries should help us, along with Monty using what would be (imo) better subs.

I really don’t think we’re far off and on the face of it, a point away to the st Mirren of this season isn’t bad.

But we really need some wins and to start climbing the table

[007]

He's the only man other than Youan that can help that - by taking him off when we are leading 2-1.

A classic example of hindsight being 20/20. You and nobody else were saying on the match thread at 2-1 that Youan should be subbed.

[LaMotta]

A classic example of hindsight being 20/20. You and nobody else were saying on the match thread at 2-1 that Youan should be subbed.

With ten minutes to go I genuinely thought taking Youan off would be a good idea given given what happened on Saturday.

I'm not getting paid to win games of football for Hibs though.

[JimBHibees]

I actually really like him and what he’s trying to do.

We’re killing ourselves at times but I think we look a good side.

A January window/players coming back from injuries should help us, along with Monty using what would be (imo) better subs.

I really don’t think we’re far off and on the face of it, a point away to the st Mirren of this season isn’t bad.

But we really need some wins and to start climbing the table

Totally agree. Promising signs for me but appreciate we live in an everything now culture unfortunately :greengrin

[JimBHibees]

Not credible? He's dropped Hanlon and Lewis as everyone wanted, he's got us played attractive passing game, not the hoofball under LJ. He's promoted youth on merit and has clearly improved the confidence and ability of some players ( rocky, miller, jair).

Not his fault we didn't hold on at killie. He'll have learned lessons from county.

Have you ever started a new job and it's taken you a while to suss it out? It's the reason most jobs have a 6 month probation period to evidence progress. 6 months, not 6 weeks.

Good post

[HoboHarry]

A classic example of hindsight being 20/20. You and nobody else were saying on the match thread at 2-1 that Youan should be subbed.

:top marks

[LaMotta]

:top marks

Its the managers job to see out games, not randoms on Hibs.net.

[JimBHibees]

His interviews also make him sound like he’s been completely beaten down by the ineptitude/corruption in Scottish football already.
Wouldn’t surprise me if he walks sooner rather than later.

I can see where he is coming from if he is feeling he is getting a raw deal because it is happening in front of our eyes on a game by game basis.

[overdrive]

Willing to see how he gets on once he has a few of his own players in but I’ve not been impressed so far. Far too inflexible in terms of how we set up. No Plan B. Naive substitutions. Poor game management. Doesn’t seem to learn from his mistakes.

Positives are he seems to have recognised Hanlon and Stevenson’s weaknesses and he’s improved/given confidence to Jair who otherwise might have been a very expensive mistake.

[B.H.F.C]

Agreed. He can’t help Youan miss-dribbling with nobody near him.

Individual mistakes are killing us. Just back and thought we played well for most of the game. Obita is lazy and gives them an opportunity to get involved then Youan does that at the end.

Four times we’ve scored two goals under him but dropped points. Kilmarnock, Rocky has a brain fart and they’re back in the game. Ross County, the goalie completely misses the ball and they’re back in the game. Hearts game the shoe was obviously on the other foot but even then we’d given them a helping hand by scoring a ridiculous own goal.

I still have faith that it will turn for us as I don’t think we’re playing terribly. Again tonight, we could quite easily have scored another couple of goals. Defensively though, we need January.

The one thing I still don’t get with Montgomery is some of his subs. Again, bringing Landers on at that point basically had us down to 10 (no harm to the lad).

[cameronw-hfc]

I still think we will be fine. We at least look decent going forwards at times. There's a big difference in how we played under LJ and now Monty, it'll take time to adapt but I think he'll be fine in the longer term.

We need to get a break eventually and I've a feeling we'll click soon and go on a run.

He seems to be learning as well. I know some will slate the subs as per, but Miller for Rory, Jeggo for Levit seemed like the logical subs at 2-1. Vente has played a lot of football recently and ran himself into the ground every game, Landers coming on didn't hinder or help us imo. Seems to have learned about swapping the CB mid game, brought on players to try see it out this week and had us 2-1 up at 3rd in the table with no Boyle(think he would have been brought on in emergency only, ie, last 15 and 2-1 down), Alf, Doidge probably more as well than I'm missing.

Might be a happy clapper but genuinely think we will click soon.

[RossScott1991]

Some fans have got ‘4.4.2’ and ‘his subs’ imprinted on their mind now that no matter what he does he will get slated for it even if these two things have actually no effect on us not winning a match.

Tonight was totally fine. Youan does anything else other than what he did we win the game.

Then fans moan we aren’t bringing youngsters through. Which he’s doing. Whilst getting a tune out rocky and jair two guys who were far from fan favourites.

We will be fine. These small margins will swing our way soon.

[Crab apple]

Individual mistakes are killing us. Just back and thought we played well for most of the game. Obita is lazy and gives them an opportunity to get involved then Youan does that at the end.

Four times we’ve scored two goals under him but dropped points. Kilmarnock, Rocky has a brain fart and they’re back in the game. Ross County, the goalie completely misses the ball and they’re back in the game. Hearts game the shoe was obviously on the other foot but even then we’d given them a helping hand by scoring a ridiculous own goal.

I still have faith that it will turn for us as I don’t think we’re playing terribly. Again tonight, we could quite easily have scored another couple of goals. Defensively though, we need January.

The one thing I still don’t get with Montgomery is some of his subs. Again, bringing Landers on at that point basically had us down to 10 (no harm to the lad).

I really enjoyed the game tonight maybe helped by having a few jars in Glasgow beforehand. I thought we were dominant first half. Totally agree with you about the Vente sub. He was knackered but why didn't he bring on Boyle. Landers lost out in a race with Gogic which would have had him through on goal.

[HoboHarry]

Its the managers job to see out games, not randoms on Hibs.net.

Sure thing boss.

[Chorley Hibee]

We will be fine. These small margins will swing our way soon.

I've been waiting 36 years for a swing in these small margins.

[500miles]

I really enjoyed the game tonight maybe helped by having a few jars in Glasgow beforehand. I thought we were dominant first half. Totally agree with you about the Vente sub. He was knackered but why didn't he bring on Boyle. Landers lost out in a race with Gogic which would have had him through on goal.

If we were really chasing I think we would have brought on Boyle. I suspect were going to use him sparingly until he gets the benefit of an international break.

[The Harp Awakes]

Willing to see how he gets on once he has a few of his own players in but I’ve not been impressed so far. Far too inflexible in terms of how we set up. No Plan B. Naive substitutions. Poor game management. Doesn’t seem to learn from his mistakes.

Positives are he seems to have recognised Hanlon and Stevenson’s weaknesses and he’s improved/given confidence to Jair who otherwise might have been a very expensive mistake.

:top marks

[LaMotta]

Sure thing boss.

Hilarious.

[CallumHibs07]

People saying its not his team... he's the head coach, not the manager. He's not the one who's going to be making most of the signings. He was brought in to improve the players we have. Hasn't done that so far. And if the players don't suit his style then McDermott's at fault for appointing him.

[Since452]

Willing to see how he gets on once he has a few of his own players in but I’ve not been impressed so far. Far too inflexible in terms of how we set up. No Plan B. Naive substitutions. Poor game management. Doesn’t seem to learn from his mistakes.

Positives are he seems to have recognised Hanlon and Stevenson’s weaknesses and he’s improved/given confidence to Jair who otherwise might have been a very expensive mistake.

He'll sign whoever McDermott offers him. It still won't be his team after January. It never will be. He's there to coach the players. If we don't get top six, which I doubt we will, or god forbid worse, then Montgomery and McDermott will both be culpable. He's now shoehorning 16 year olds in to the team and leaving better players in the bench. Utterly bizarre. If we're "playing well" and not winning games what happens when we're not?. We're in touble. Better buckle up.

[Dalianwanda]

He'll sign whoever McDermott offers him. It still won't be his team after January. It never will be. He's there to coach the players. If we don't get top six, which I doubt we will, or god forbid worse, then Montgomery and McDermott will both be culpable. He's now shoehorning 16 year olds in to the team and leaving better players in the bench. Utterly bizarre. If we're "playing well" and not winning games what happens when we're not?. We're in touble. Better buckle up.

How’s he shoehorning them in? i thought both were paying their natural positions? I thought Whittaker played ok last night and think it’s great he’s giving youth a chance.

[Brightside]

Some fans have got ‘4.4.2’ and ‘his subs’ imprinted on their mind now that no matter what he does he will get slated for it even if these two things have actually no effect on us not winning a match.

Tonight was totally fine. Youan does anything else other than what he did we win the game.

Then fans moan we aren’t bringing youngsters through. Which he’s doing. Whilst getting a tune out rocky and jair two guys who were far from fan favourites.

We will be fine. These small margins will swing our way soon.

Spot on. The formation and subs chat is utter nonsense.

[Crunchie]

Not credible? He's dropped Hanlon and Lewis as everyone wanted, he's got us played attractive passing game, not the hoofball under LJ. He's promoted youth on merit and has clearly improved the confidence and ability of some players ( rocky, miller, jair).

Not his fault we didn't hold on at killie. He'll have learned lessons from county.

Have you ever started a new job and it's taken you a while to suss it out? It's the reason most jobs have a 6 month probation period to evidence progress. 6 months, not 6 weeks.
Excellent post and sums it up perfectly :top marks. A blind man can see we're a decent side and playing some good stuff since he arrived.
There are certain posters who've had it in for him since day one and it's never going to change no matter what he does.
Supposing he goes on an 8 game winning streak they'd be back after him the first time we lost back to back games.

[Heisenberg]

How’s he shoehorning them in? i thought both were paying their natural positions? I thought Whittaker played ok last night and think it’s great he’s giving youth a chance.

Certainly better than Lee Johnson pretending he was giving them a chance but never actually doing it. Whittaker was fine last night, didn’t miss Miller at all.

[JimBHibees]

He'll sign whoever McDermott offers him. It still won't be his team after January. It never will be. He's there to coach the players. If we don't get top six, which I doubt we will, or god forbid worse, then Montgomery and McDermott will both be culpable. He's now shoehorning 16 year olds in to the team and leaving better players in the bench. Utterly bizarre. If we're "playing well" and not winning games what happens when we're not?. We're in touble. Better buckle up.

Nonsense to suggest he will have no say in players coming in. Go back and watch the McDermott interview a few months back. Whittaker is a right back.

[JimBHibees]

Certainly better than Lee Johnson pretending he was giving them a chance but never actually doing it. Whittaker was fine last night, didn’t miss Miller at all.

Thought he was fine also looked confident and calm on the ball. Also good players have to fight for their place.

[Hibs90]

He'll sign whoever McDermott offers him. It still won't be his team after January. It never will be. He's there to coach the players. If we don't get top six, which I doubt we will, or god forbid worse, then Montgomery and McDermott will both be culpable. He's now shoehorning 16 year olds in to the team and leaving better players in the bench. Utterly bizarre. If we're "playing well" and not winning games what happens when we're not?. We're in touble. Better buckle up.

Load of rubbish again.

[killie-hibby]

Excellent post and sums it up perfectly :top marks. A blind man can see we're a decent side and playing some good stuff since he arrived.
There are certain posters who've had it in for him since day one and it's never going to change no matter what he does.
Supposing he goes on an 8 game winning streak they'd be back after him the first time we lost back to back games.


Totally agree. :agree:

[GreenGray]

People saying its not his team... he's the head coach, not the manager. He's not the one who's going to be making most of the signings. He was brought in to improve the players we have. Hasn't done that so far. And if the players don't suit his style then McDermott's at fault for appointing him.

He certainly has improved players by the way.


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[McGruber]

Spot on. The formation and subs chat is utter nonsense.

Respectfully disagree here, more so with use of subs. Fans always going to analyse performance, tactics, formation etc game by game.

For subs, lot been said and I agree about not changing centre half mid game for sake of it or wholesale changes when in front and looking comfortable. The personnel in substitutions obviously more subjective. One hand, glad youth is getting a chance, other hand lots of talk about game management/seeing out games and personally would prefer experience coming on to close games out.

As it happens, Landers was culpable for the goal (more so than Youan) - though whole team never covered themselves in glory. Rocky sitting so deep he blocks the boys shot on the 6 yard line.

Anyway, frustrating results but think we are improving and Monty will have us come good

[The Modfather]

He'll sign whoever McDermott offers him. It still won't be his team after January. It never will be. He's there to coach the players. If we don't get top six, which I doubt we will, or god forbid worse, then Montgomery and McDermott will both be culpable. He's now shoehorning 16 year olds in to the team and leaving better players in the bench. Utterly bizarre. If we're "playing well" and not winning games what happens when we're not?. We're in touble. Better buckle up.

What youngsters is he shoehorning in? Whittaker played 70 minutes in his natural position and didn’t look out of place. Landers came on in his natural position for the last 4 minutes as our only forward on the bench (Boyle clearly not able to play despite being in the bench). Who were the better players left on the bench from the unused subs last night of Wollacot, Stevenson, Hanlon, Delfierre & Rudi?

Your man Johnson wanted 3 or 4 windows before he was judged and didn’t think it was possible to play 2 games a week. Maybe Montgomery would get more leeway with posters if he came out with the same self preservation soundbites as Johnson did.

[neil7908]

Spot on. The formation and subs chat is utter nonsense.

I mean, he was definitely at fault with his subs in the Ross County game. I don't think anyone can dispute that surely?

[J-C]

The doom and gloomers really had a ball on this thread last night, just imagine how much worse their moaning would've been if we'd got beaten. 2 errors from 2 players cost us last night, tactics were working well and the team played well but lets all blame 442 and substitutions when in fact they had nothing to do with last night. Maybe we should just get Johnson back to keep the 10 or so grumbling supporters on this site happy, or maybe not eh? I do wonder if some on here are actually Hibs supporters at times, certainly doesn't look like it at times.

[Walter]

You can't turn something around for long term progress in 6 weeks. People were obviously expecting the new manager bounce a la jocky Scott's 3 match winning run.
NM is going to steer this ship in the right direction and improve us. I can see us already performing better and not far off really hurting a team

[TrinityHFC]

The doom and gloomers really had a ball on this thread last night, just imagine how much worse their moaning would've been if we'd got beaten. 2 errors from 2 players cost us last night, tactics were working well and the team played well but lets all blame 442 and substitutions when in fact they had nothing to do with last night. Maybe we should just get Johnson back to keep the 10 or so grumbling supporters on this site happy, or maybe not eh? I do wonder if some on here are actually Hibs supporters at times, certainly doesn't look like it at times.

Is it you who decides where and when real Hibs supporters can have a view about a manager then? With your Johnson comment you clearly have a view on him. Just let us know where your line is then eh?

[Crunchie]

Is it you who decides where and when real Hibs supporters can have a view about a manager then? With your Johnson comment you clearly have a view on him. Just let us know where your line is then eh?
When did you make up your mind about Monty? I'd love to know.

[TrinityHFC]

When did you make up your mind about Monty? I'd love to know.

I actually quite like him but very disappointed in what we are seeing so far. I just can’t be bothered with people who have noised up and got rid of previous managers telling other people not to do the same.

[Steve20]

He has underperformed so far. Very poor points return.

However, the team is quite poor and until we improve it, he just needs to get on with it. Can't possibly be thinking about changing another manager.

He needs time and the January window to see what he can do with bringing in players.

Then he needs to get a mentality at the club that draws away to St Mirren or Kilmarnock are NOT decent results. If we are eventually serious about being 3rd in years to come, we need to regulary beat these teams.

[flash]

I actually quite like him but very disappointed in what we are seeing so far. I just can’t be bothered with people who have noised up and got rid of previous managers telling other people not to do the same.

What a strange last sentence. What exactly are you saying here?
Should we be in the process of hounding the new manager out the door already?

[Allant1981]

Load of rubbish again.

This poster is best being ignored

[easty]

He has underperformed so far. Very poor points return.

However, the team is quite poor and until we improve it, he just needs to get on with it. Can't possibly be thinking about changing another manager.

He needs time and the January window to see what he can do with bringing in players.

Then he needs to get a mentality at the club that draws away to St Mirren or Kilmarnock are NOT decent results. If we are eventually serious about being 3rd in years to come, we need to regulary beat these teams.

This team came 5th last season, and should’ve come 4th. It’s not as poor as results this season suggest, in my opinion.

Johnson was doing a crappy job at the start of the season (though I still think the Luzern game was the best we’ve played this season), and deservedly lost his job.

You bring in another manager to get a better tune out the players we have. He’s not doing it. You get judged on results, not on how “the players are improving”. He’s not been good enough. Not even close.

We’ve conceded 7 times in the last 15 mins of the 10 games since he took over. He needs to be seeing that and addressing the problem.

[B.H.F.C]

I honestly don’t think we’re a million miles away in terms of the way we’re playing. I thought we played well last night and it’s no coincidence, IMO, that we are now starting to shift the ball quicker with Levitt in the team. We could, and should, have scored more goals last night but it all comes back to us not being clinical enough at either end of the pitch.

You go through the games that we’ve drawn 2-2 and there has been terrible individual mistakes that were key in dropping points, there’s not much any manager can do about that.

There is no doubt that results need to be better but it’s not as if we are losing every week with teams running all over us. I’ve seen enough to think he’ll get it right. The only two really poor performances for me were at Ibrox and against Ross County and in the latter, we should still have won the game being 2-0 up before the goalie made and arse of it. There have been some that haven’t been brilliant and a draw was probably merited but others where we should have got more.

[Winston Ingram]

Spot on. The formation and subs chat is utter nonsense.

The only thing that is nonsense is what your saying.

27374

This is their equaliser. Youan, Jair, Landers and Campbell all stuck up the park. 7 against 6 at 2-1 in the 93rd minute. If he had brought on Lewis instead of Landers and stuck him in midfield, that's a win.

Instead, his priority seems to play 442 at all costs and to stick on a teenager when the game is in a precarious position.

[easty]

I honestly don’t think we’re a million miles away in terms of the way we’re playing. I thought we played well last night and it’s no coincidence, IMO, that we are now starting to shift the ball quicker with Levitt in the team. We could, and should, have scored more goals last night but it all comes back to us not being clinical enough at either end of the pitch.

You go through the games that we’ve drawn 2-2 and there has been terrible individual mistakes that were key in dropping points, there’s not much any manager can do about that.

There is no doubt that results need to be better but it’s not as if we are losing every week with teams running all over us. I’ve seen enough to think he’ll get it right. The only two really poor performances for me were at Ibrox and against Ross County and in the latter, we should still have won the game being 2-0 up before the goalie made and arse of it. There have been some that haven’t been brilliant and a draw was probably merited but others where we should have got more.

There have been individual mistakes costing us goals in the 2-2 games, but we’ve benefitted from other teams mistakes to score goals in them too.

[J-C]

Is it you who decides where and when real Hibs supporters can have a view about a manager then? With your Johnson comment you clearly have a view on him. Just let us know where your line is then eh?

I just so frustrated reading post after post of sheer negativity, it's draining and makes me doubt some posters on here. As for Johnson, I had no opinion on him when he came but quickly realised he was a charlatan and knew he wasn't right for us. As for Montgomery, I'll give him more that 10 or so games and allow him a chance to bring in his own players before I start asking for him to be removed.

Without 2 crappy ref/VAR decisions and two player errors last night, we'd be in a final and 2 points better off, the football has been good but still folk moan.

[J-C]

The only thing that is nonsense is what your saying.

27374

This is their equaliser. Youan, Jair, Landers and Campbell all stuck up the park. 7 against 6 at 2-1 in the 93rd minute. If he had brought on Lewis instead of Landers and stuck him in midfield, that's a win.

Instead, his priority seems to play 442 at all costs and to stick on a teenager when the game is in a precarious position.

That's not a tactical error but players not tracking back to keep the shape.

[Winston Ingram]

That's not a tactical error but players not tracking back to keep the shape.

The manager decides the shape.

[lucky]

2 wins in 10 is not good enough. His team selections are bizarre but his substitutions look to me like he doesn't understand football. It's his lack of ability to close a game out I don't get. He brought on a 16-year-old forward, who may become a fantastic player, instead of bringing an experienced player on to close the game down in the middle of the park. Saturday is now a massive game we need to win or he will be under even more pressure. Sadly I think he'll be away by Christmas as he's just not cut out for Scottish football.

[McGruber]

The only thing that is nonsense is what your saying.

27374

This is their equaliser. Youan, Jair, Landers and Campbell all stuck up the park. 7 against 6 at 2-1 in the 93rd minute. If he had brought on Lewis instead of Landers and stuck him in midfield, that's a win.

Instead, his priority seems to play 442 at all costs and to stick on a teenager when the game is in a precarious position.

The boy that scores for them comes from behind Landers and jogs past him whilst he keeps walking - just pointing it out

[McGruber]

I just so frustrated reading post after post of sheer negativity, it's draining and makes me doubt some posters on here. As for Johnson, I had no opinion on him when he came but quickly realised he was a charlatan and knew he wasn't right for us. As for Montgomery, I'll give him more that 10 or so games and allow him a chance to bring in his own players before I start asking for him to be removed.

Without 2 crappy ref/VAR decisions and two player errors last night, we'd be in a final and 2 points better off, the football has been good but still folk moan.

Agree with you, improving under Monty and believe results will come.

Their late equaliser isn't an individual player error though, Youan lost the ball but as frustrating as that is it didn't cause a goal, we had loads of bodies back. There were a good number of players culpable there, including Ellie

[Heisenberg]

The only thing that is nonsense is what your saying.

27374

This is their equaliser. Youan, Jair, Landers and Campbell all stuck up the park. 7 against 6 at 2-1 in the 93rd minute. If he had brought on Lewis instead of Landers and stuck him in midfield, that's a win.

Instead, his priority seems to play 442 at all costs and to stick on a teenager when the game is in a precarious position.

If Youan keeps the ball that’s a win. If Rocky clears it properly that’s a win. If Landers sticks with his man that’s a win. We can all play that game.

[wookie70]

That's not a tactical error but players not tracking back to keep the shape.
We continued with 2 up top when we didn't need another goal. We also charged forward when Youan lost the ball. Either of those could be considered tactical errors. I think Montgomery is keeping it simple and saying play this way the full game. That might mean the system is learnt quickly and we do look like we have shape and structure. What annoys me is that keeping the ball and being patient seems to be the plan early in games but when we end up with a late lead we take risks and speed everything up. No harm putting an extra midfielder on and spoiling the game for the last 10 mins.

Montgomery seems to be consistent and positive. He could do well long term but his results might mean he doesn't get time. He just needs to get a bit of luck or be a bit more pragmatic when we have a late lead

[Smartie]

Every sign (for me) seems to be pointing at our problems bring down to a lack of quality depth in the squad rather than the manager not being good enough.

He’s still working with the squad Johnson had - he got his jotters after losing our first 3 games whilst juggling big games Thursday / Wednesday. Montgomery is losing leads and taking heat for his substitutions. Both of these situations suggest to me that the more peripheral players in the squad just aren’t good enough and I can certainly never remember a time in our history when we were asking so much of 16 year olds.

I’m not going to pretend that results have been good enough (they’ve not) or that all this dropping of points to claim draws from winning positions isn’t massively frustrating but ffs I really don’t think this is fully down to the manager. Let’s see how he gets on with a squad that looks like it has the depth required to be competitive in a competitive league.

[B.H.F.C]

The manager decides the shape.

Aye but he doesn’t give the ball away when you just need to keep it and see the game out. Or pull someone’s jersey in the box.

[B.H.F.C]

There have been individual mistakes costing us goals in the 2-2 games, but we’ve benefitted from other teams mistakes to score goals in them too.

Aye but when you look at our goals against column (joint worst in the league) we’re making more of them. Consistently.

[GreenCastle]

We have issues..

Lack of depth - putting an unfit Boyle and 16 year olds on bench isn't the answer.
Lack of quality - if we had more goals in the team / better finishing many of these games would have different outcomes.
Lack of leadership - been a problem for a while
Constantly making defensive errors - as a team and our GK
Central midfield - still an issue.

Watching the goal last night - ok we lose the ball at the half way line but it's not like he's dribbled edge of the box. The defending after that is comical - slips - Newell poor again centrally - centre backs and then even the keeper could maybe have saved it.

No co-incidence we are dropping points and losing games as we are leaking goals. Until he sorts that out teams will continue to take points off us and the frustration will continue. Even 4-5-1 near the end last night - put Hanlon holding midfield or Stevenson and that equaliser isn't scored. Last night wasn't about performance it was about points and we dropped 2 points from winning leads twice.

[Hibby Bairn]

I really like Montgomery. I love that he is blooding very young players. When these boys are 18/19 they might have played 40 or 50 games in the Prem rather than in the Lowland League.

And I think he understands that coaching and improvement is a long game. For him and the players. The fans need to get behind this imo.

And whilst we aren't winning many at the moment we aren't losing many either.

Patience and support needed.

[GreenCastle]

I really like Montgomery. I love that he is blooding very young players. When these boys are 18/19 they might have played 40 or 50 games in the Prem rather than in the Lowland League.

And I think he understands that coaching and improvement is a long game. For him and the players. The fans need to get behind this imo.

And whilst we aren't winning many at the moment we aren't losing many either.

Patience and support needed.

I'm all for young players getting a chance but my concern is that unless they are really special they can easily go the way of various other young players we have seen break through very early.

I am more concerned about picking up points - making the top 6 which is a joke itself and avoiding relegation.

I would rather win a game (3 points) and draw and lose a game (4 points) then x3 draws and be undefeated ( 3 points). Draws just aren't great - especially when in winning positions.

I said it after the semi final there is a time and place for 16 year olds playing and right now when we are up against it - surely we have more older prospects in our Academy or more experienced players can fill the gaps - even Hanlon or Stevenson (doesn't have to be centre back / left back) coming on will give more control for the team.

[May21/05/216]

I just so frustrated reading post after post of sheer negativity, it's draining and makes me doubt some posters on here. As for Johnson, I had no opinion on him when he came but quickly realised he was a charlatan and knew he wasn't right for us. As for Montgomery, I'll give him more that 10 or so games and allow him a chance to bring in his own players before I start asking for him to be removed.

Without 2 crappy ref/VAR decisions and two player errors last night, we'd be in a final and 2 points better off, the football has been good but still folk moan.Just ignore him

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[LaMotta]

I just so frustrated reading post after post of sheer negativity, it's draining and makes me doubt some posters on here. As for Johnson, I had no opinion on him when he came but quickly realised he was a charlatan and knew he wasn't right for us. As for Montgomery, I'll give him more that 10 or so games and allow him a chance to bring in his own players before I start asking for him to be removed.

Without 2 crappy ref/VAR decisions and two player errors last night, we'd be in a final and 2 points better off, the football has been good but still folk moan.

But why is it ok for you to quickly decide Johnson wasnt good enough but not for others to do the same about Monty?

Im not saying Monty isn't good enough, but surely if people think that they can say that?

[sauzeelegod]

The doom and gloomers really had a ball on this thread last night, just imagine how much worse their moaning would've been if we'd got beaten. 2 errors from 2 players cost us last night, tactics were working well and the team played well but lets all blame 442 and substitutions when in fact they had nothing to do with last night. Maybe we should just get Johnson back to keep the 10 or so grumbling supporters on this site happy, or maybe not eh? I do wonder if some on here are actually Hibs supporters at times, certainly doesn't look like it at times.

Different opinion to you so can’t be Hibs fans? 🙈

[The Modfather]

Every sign (for me) seems to be pointing at our problems bring down to a lack of quality depth in the squad rather than the manager not being good enough.

He’s still working with the squad Johnson had - he got his jotters after losing our first 3 games whilst juggling big games Thursday / Wednesday. Montgomery is losing leads and taking heat for his substitutions. Both of these situations suggest to me that the more peripheral players in the squad just aren’t good enough and I can certainly never remember a time in our history when we were asking so much of 16 year olds.

I’m not going to pretend that results have been good enough (they’ve not) or that all this dropping of points to claim draws from winning positions isn’t massively frustrating but ffs I really don’t think this is fully down to the manager. Let’s see how he gets on with a squad that looks like it has the depth required to be competitive in a competitive league.

Agreed. This is a squad that have got a number of managers the sack, one this very season.

I think performances have generally been good, and we have less points than our performances merit. Which is why I’m still fairly relaxed. Though if we continue to draw games rather than win them for much longer I’ll start to get concerned.

For me it’s clear to see the foundations Montgomery is building. A recognisable way of playing. Improving players like Rocky & Tavares. Moving on from previous stalwarts like Stevenson, Hanlon & Campbell. As well as a genuine desire to give youth a chance.

It’s not without fault, and the lack of wins and number of times we’ve thrown away 2 points is worthy of discussion and criticism. However it feels, certainly to me, that we’re genuinely building something. Johnson might have had more initial success but that was based on paper thin foundations. Just chucking good individual players into a team and hoping to stumble upon a formation that works for a bit and then back to the selection and formation bingo.

We will continue to struggle until January and the summer, but think we will only get better and better the more players we can move on and the more players we can sign. With the key difference now being we have a genuine identity we will sign players specifically for. Not just lots of good players and worry how they fit together later on.

[J-C]

But why is it ok for you to quickly decide Johnson wasnt good enough but not for others to do the same about Monty?

Im not saying Monty isn't good enough, but surely if people think that they can say that?
It wasn't a quick decision but I gave him more than 10 games before deciding, the horrendous showing in the League cup games was a sign, his streaky run of games and the BS he came out with was enough. I wanted him gone before the season started and not after he had another window.

[matty_f]

I think he deserves a fair bit of credit for getting a performance like that out of the players he had available last night. If we hold out for a couple of minutes everyone’s talking about a good performance.

[Winston Ingram]

I think he deserves a fair bit of credit for getting a performance like that out of the players he had available last night. If we hold out for a couple of minutes everyone’s talking about a good performance.

...but yet again, his poor use of subs cost us points.

[matty_f]

...but yet again, his poor use of subs cost us points.

I don't think the subs were the issue this time, to be fair. I agree they have been in other games but the issues for the equaliser last night aren't due to the subs imho.

[B.H.F.C]

I think he deserves a fair bit of credit for getting a performance like that out of the players he had available last night. If we hold out for a couple of minutes everyone’s talking about a good performance.

I don’t think the performances, Rangers and Ross County aside, have been anywhere near as bad as some suggest. We should have more points on the board. We obviously don’t and it’s through our own failings rather than bad luck or anything like that but we’ve had ourselves in winning positions on three occasions, twice by two goals and once with three minutes to go, and thrown away points on all three occasions.

I don’t think we’re a million miles away from turning the draws in to wins. It’s fine saying that, and we obviously need to do it starting on Saturday, but if I think back to the start of the season I saw no plan and no way that it was going to improve. That’s not the case now. There are things Montgomery, and the players, need to improve on it I think we’ll be all right.

[Winston Ingram]

I don't think the subs were the issue this time, to be fair. I agree they have been in other games but the issues for the equaliser last night aren't due to the subs imho.

I've said this already but you bring Lewis on instead of Landers and stick him in midfield for the remaining minutes then that's a win. Instead we ended up with a 7 v 6 scenario in injury time with our 2 strikers and wingers stuck up the park in the 93rd minute.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I've said this already but you bring Lewis on instead of Landers and stick him in midfield for the remaining minutes then that's a win. Instead we ended up with a 7 v 6 scenario in injury time with our 2 strikers and wingers stuck up the park in the 93rd minute.

Yup.

People have had numerous digs going on about how some folk are so entrenched in 4-4-2 being crap that we’ll never change our mind yet by the same token, there’s folk who are so entrenched in their stance that 4-4-2 isn’t the issue that they’ll never accept it is an issue despite the evidence staring them in the face. We could lose the next 10 and they’d still claim 4-4-2 is working perfectly fine.

It works both ways.

[H18S NX]

I've said this already but you bring Lewis on instead of Landers and stick him in midfield for the remaining minutes then that's a win. Instead we ended up with a 7 v 6 scenario in injury time with our 2 strikers and wingers stuck up the park in the 93rd minute....That's what i said to my m8 yesterday.

[Jones28]

It’s just as mental to suggest we’ve improved.

We lost 3/3 in the league under Johnson.

We have improved.

[flash]

Yup.

People have had numerous digs going on about how some folk are so entrenched in 4-4-2 being crap that we’ll never change our mind yet by the same token, there’s folk who are so entrenched in their stance that 4-4-2 isn’t the issue that they’ll never accept it is an issue despite the evidence staring them in the face. We could lose the next 10 and they’d still claim 4-4-2 is working perfectly fine.

It works both ways.

"We could lose the next 10". You are awfy fond of predicting horrific losing runs for a team that hardly ever gets beaten.

[RossScott1991]

As much as we need to turn draws into wins. We’ve still played Killie away, Hearts away and St Mirren away. 3 tough grounds, tynie has always been rough for us. And killie and st Mirren both going well and have proven to be stubborn opponents.

All these sides have still failed to beat Hibs.

I’m confident a few wins will start emerging starting on Saturday

[Numptie]

The high press is always going to leave you lacking energy at the end of a game, unless you have subs that can carry on the work (which we don't have). Overall I like the way we play now and prefer this to just passing the ball around the back and mid-field, that bored me last season. Not a great points delivery, but the league is a bit mad this year e.g. we have lost less games than Hearts and the same as Kilimarnock.

[Pagan Hibernia]

I personally don't understand how anyone watching hibs right now could think there hasn't been an improvement.

I get that it's all about results and we're not winning games but this is a very long way from the empty nothing performances of Johnston and Maloney, or even Jack Ross at the end.

There has been clear progress. Last night we were seconds (and one Youan brain fart) away from a really excellent away win against one of the leagues most in form teams. On Saturday too it was a case of right performance wrong result and we'd be in the final but for at least one referee decision. Ross County we weren't great, and he certainly has to take the flak for those subs and game management but we were still coasting to the win and hopefully he learned from it.

I know we only ever seem to lament fine margins at hibs and it always feels like we're on the wrong side of them but I genuinely feel the results are going to come, and what's more I'm enjoying watching hibs at the moment. I haven't said that since the early days of Jack Ross 4 years ago.

[JimBHibees]

I personally don't understand how anyone watching hibs right now could think there hasn't been an improvement.

I get that it's all about results and we're not winning games but this is a very long way from the empty nothing performances of Johnston and Maloney, or even Jack Ross at the end.

There has been clear progress. Last night we were seconds (and one Youan brain fart) away from a really excellent away win against one of the leagues most in form teams. On Saturday too it was a case of right performance wrong result and we'd be in the final but for at least one referee decision. Ross County we weren't great, and he certainly has to take the flak for those subs and game management but we were still coasting to the win and hopefully he learned from it.

I know we only ever seem to lament fine margins at hibs and it always feels like we're on the wrong side of them but I genuinely feel the results are going to come, and what's more I'm enjoying watching hibs at the moment. I haven't said that since the early days of Jack Ross 4 years ago.

Yep enjoying watching us as well. Like the style he has got us playing.

[richard_pitts]

I personally don't understand how anyone watching hibs right now could think there hasn't been an improvement.

I get that it's all about results and we're not winning games but this is a very long way from the empty nothing performances of Johnston and Maloney, or even Jack Ross at the end.

There has been clear progress. Last night we were seconds (and one Youan brain fart) away from a really excellent away win against one of the leagues most in form teams. On Saturday too it was a case of right performance wrong result and we'd be in the final but for at least one referee decision. Ross County we weren't great, and he certainly has to take the flak for those subs and game management but we were still coasting to the win and hopefully he learned from it.

I know we only ever seem to lament fine margins at hibs and it always feels like we're on the wrong side of them but I genuinely feel the results are going to come, and what's more I'm enjoying watching hibs at the moment. I haven't said that since the early days of Jack Ross 4 years ago.

I agree. The complaint now is that we are not seeing out games when we are in front. Under the Johnson this season, that was not a problem on account of not being in front :wink:

[chrisski33]

Its clear theres been an improvement since Monty been here. Weren't gonna be world beaters overnight. Folk moaning when youngsters arent being played then others moan when they are on as subs. Hibs fans are fickle. Cant keep blaming the manager esp when he hasn't brought in his own players yet!

[Hibernian Verse]

Yep enjoying watching us as well. Like the style he has got us playing.

I find myself strangely looking forward to each game now, as it's going to click eventually.

Isn't it? Surely?

[h1bs4life]

I personally don't understand how anyone watching hibs right now could think there hasn't been an improvement.

I get that it's all about results and we're not winning games but this is a very long way from the empty nothing performances of Johnston and Maloney, or even Jack Ross at the end.

There has been clear progress. Last night we were seconds (and one Youan brain fart) away from a really excellent away win against one of the leagues most in form teams. On Saturday too it was a case of right performance wrong result and we'd be in the final but for at least one referee decision. Ross County we weren't great, and he certainly has to take the flak for those subs and game management but we were still coasting to the win and hopefully he learned from it.

I know we only ever seem to lament fine margins at hibs and it always feels like we're on the wrong side of them but I genuinely feel the results are going to come, and what's more I'm enjoying watching hibs at the moment. I haven't said that since the early days of Jack Ross 4 years ago.


That’s where I am as well , I am looking forward to going to Easter Road and watching the team I can see an improvement in the football some as usual like to moan about anything. Under Johnson , Maloney and even Ross it was more going because it was what had always done.

[eastmainsmsh]

Think NM will shake things up in jan window then he can make his mark hopefully been frustrating losing leads

[Smartie]

I agree. The complaint now is that we are not seeing out games when we are in front. Under the Johnson this season, that was not a problem on account of not being in front :wink:

Did a wise man not once say something about never taking the lead taking away the fear of failing to hold onto that lead, or something similarly profound?

[Nicho87]

I've said this already but you bring Lewis on instead of Landers and stick him in midfield for the remaining minutes then that's a win. Instead we ended up with a 7 v 6 scenario in injury time with our 2 strikers and wingers stuck up the park in the 93rd minute.

100% I’ve told everyone that would read / listen

Last Tuesday he brings of a forward for another midfielder to make dhanda stops picking the ball up we win that game 2-0

Sorry but that’s 4 points dropped in the last two league games from stubborness is the only way I can describe it.

[Ronniekirk]

I've said this already but you bring Lewis on instead of Landers and stick him in midfield for the remaining minutes then that's a win. Instead we ended up with a 7 v 6 scenario in injury time with our 2 strikers and wingers stuck up the park in the 93rd minute.
We don’t know how that would of worked out But I tend to agree it made us more vulnerable and a strange time to bring on 16 year old
Even Stevenson would of bust a gut to stop us conceding
But Monty was brought in to help bring through our own players so am prepared to give him breathing space and see what happens after transfer window
But it’s frustrating thst wexare throwing Way opportunities to win games

[Gordy M]

100% I’ve told everyone that would read / listen

Last Tuesday he brings of a forward for another midfielder to make dhanda stops picking the ball up we win that game 2-0

Sorry but that’s 4 points dropped in the last two league games from stubborness is the only way I can describe it.

Doesnt mean you are right though. If he brings off a forward for a midfielder and we still draw 2 each folk on here would have gone crazy at that. We were absoltely cruising in that game until the keeper has a nightmare?? He catches that ball and chances are we win the game.

[Kato]

Did a wise man not once say something about never taking the lead taking away the fear of failing to hold onto that lead, or something similarly profound?No. It was Terry Butcher.

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[Donegal Hibby]

We lost 3/3 in the league under Johnson.

We have improved.

LJ finished 5th and nearly 4th , we are 8th at the minute . If we go on to finish 3rd or 4th then I agree we have improved . 2 wins , 6 draws and 2 defeats isn't what I'd call a massive improvement.

[Pagan Hibernia]

LJ finished 5th and nearly 4th , we are 8th at the minute . If we go on to finish 3rd or 4th then I agree we have improved . 2 wins , 6 draws and 2 defeats isn't what I'd call a massive improvement.

8th is already a considerable improvement from the 12th place Johnson left us in.

[Donegal Hibby]

8th is already a considerable improvement from the 12th place Johnson left us in.

If your happy with 8th fair enough . Personally anything less than fifth I would describe as a failure of a season though each to there own .

[WhileTheChief..]

Shows how bad things are when anything better than 3/3 losses is considered improvement!!

[Pagan Hibernia]

If your happy with 8th fair enough . Personally anything less than fifth I would describe as a failure of a season though each to there own .

It's November. He's had two months with Johnson's players. No-one is happy with 8th. No-one was happy with the "nearly 4th" you credited Johnson with either.

[SickBoy32]

LJ finished 5th and nearly 4th , we are 8th at the minute . If we go on to finish 3rd or 4th then I agree we have improved . 2 wins , 6 draws and 2 defeats isn't what I'd call a massive improvement.

Nearly 4th :greengrin

So that'll be 2 x 5th then (with record investment in the squad)

BK (and Maloney / Johnson to a lesser extent) have set us back years with chaotic decision making on the football side, quite incredible the amount of cash we've wasted in the last couple of years

We've got to dig in and persevere with Montgomery IMO, unlike the last 2 I personally have some belief he'll sort us out!

[Jones28]

LJ finished 5th and nearly 4th , we are 8th at the minute . If we go on to finish 3rd or 4th then I agree we have improved . 2 wins , 6 draws and 2 defeats isn't what I'd call a massive improvement.

Well NM has managed us for 8 league games, in which we have lost 1 and been unlucky not to win 3 of them (Killie, Dundee and St Mirren) and drew 2 games we'd have lost under Johnson (Hearts and Celtic).

We have definitely improved IMO.

[Jones28]

Shows how bad things are when anything better than 3/3 losses is considered improvement!!

How can anything better than losing 3/3 games not be considered an improvement? :confused:

[Jones28]

If your happy with 8th fair enough . Personally anything less than fifth I would describe as a failure of a season though each to there own .

No one is happy with it. Saying something has being improved is not the same as saying you're happy with the status quo.

[WhileTheChief..]

How can anything better than losing 3/3 games not be considered an improvement? :confused:

Well obviously it is, but we're not exactly setting the bar very high!!!

I think most of us, and the Board, expected much more improvement.

It kinda seems like we're clutching at straws looking for any signs that things are better than before.

For me, I'm still delighted LJ is gone, so NM can do whatever he likes!!

[Heisenberg]

LJ finished 5th and nearly 4th , we are 8th at the minute . If we go on to finish 3rd or 4th then I agree we have improved . 2 wins , 6 draws and 2 defeats isn't what I'd call a massive improvement.

On the 13th of November last year, after losing 1-0 away to Killie, we were 8th in the table. 6 defeats in our last 7 games.

[Nicho87]

Doesnt mean you are right though. If he brings off a forward for a midfielder and we still draw 2 each folk on here would have gone crazy at that. We were absoltely cruising in that game until the keeper has a nightmare?? He catches that ball and chances are we win the game.

I must have been watching a different game from you. Because at no point did i think Hibs were cruising. We were very poor from what I remember and Ross county had numerous attacks and imo was only them that looked like winning.

Because of that once we did get to 2-0 up I still don’t understand not flooding the midfield and nullifying their best player who imo was the sub, dhanda who dictated the play from midfield when he came on.

However, it’s done now.

[B.H.F.C]

Well NM has managed us for 8 league games, in which we have lost 1 and been unlucky not to win 3 of them (Killie, Dundee and St Mirren) and drew 2 games we'd have lost under Johnson (Hearts and Celtic).

We have definitely improved IMO.

If you look at it purely from a points perspective then we have improved since he came in against the start of the season. Marginal improvement, but improvement nonetheless.

I saw enough last night to feel that the performances are improving to a level that it will start to be reflected in the points total before too long. Must win on Saturday though.

[Jones28]

If you look at it purely from a points perspective then we have improved. Marginal improvement, but improvement nonetheless.

I saw enough last night to feel that the performances are improving to a level that it will start to be reflected in the points total before too long. Must win on Saturday though.

Agree with all of this.

[WhileTheChief..]

If you look at it purely from a points perspective then we have improved since he came in against the start of the season. Marginal improvement, but improvement nonetheless.

I saw enough last night to feel that the performances are improving to a level that it will start to be reflected in the points total before too long. Must win on Saturday though.

If we don't, do you think anything will change?

We'll simply move on to saying we need to win the next one and that things need to improve quickly.

I don't see any of our games as must win these days.

[flash]

If we don't, do you think anything will change?

We'll simply move on to saying we need to win the next one and that things need to improve quickly.

I don't see any of our games as must win these days.

Not trying to be smart but what's your point here?

[WhileTheChief..]

Not trying to be smart but what's your point here?

I've read numerous posts saying Saturday is a must win game. I'm wondering what the consequences of us not winning are?

I've explained my thoughts - I don't think it matters what the result is at all.

What do you think?

[flash]

I've read numerous posts saying Saturday is a must win game. I'm wondering what the consequences of us not winning are?

I've explained my thoughts - I don't think it matters what the result is at all.

What do you think?

I think every game is a must win game.

Just doesn't always work out that way.

[Pagan Hibernia]

I've read numerous posts saying Saturday is a must win game. I'm wondering what the consequences of us not winning are?

I've explained my thoughts - I don't think it matters what the result is at all.

What do you think?

It's clearly not a must win in terms of his job.

In terms of aspirations to get up towards the top 4 it's hugely important that we get the 3 points.
I'd also argue its very important for Montgomery to restore at least some of the feelgood factor from his first couple of games as quickly as possible. That can only happen by winning games. Hard luck stories will buy him a bit of time but I think we've all had our fill of them

[WeeRussell]

I've read numerous posts saying Saturday is a must win game. I'm wondering what the consequences of us not winning are?

I've explained my thoughts - I don't think it matters what the result is at all.

What do you think?

I wouldn’t take it too literally. I think people generally just use the term for a really important game whether that be in relation to winning a league, battling relegation, or a manager keeping his job.

Like many terms in football, probably become a bit of a cliche.

[Donegal Hibby]

It's November. He's had two months with Johnson's players. No-one is happy with 8th. No-one was happy with the "nearly 4th" you credited Johnson with either.

Thanks for reminding it's November 😂. Two months is not nearly long enough and he does need a couple of transfer windows to take in his own players . LJ also had this problem too with players signed by the previous two manager's though it wasn't their fault he lost his job and neither will it be LJ's if Monty doesn't last either .

As to Monty having to work with LJ's players they are imo certainly better players than a lot of clubs have in the league ( barring the OF ) though of course it's all Johnson's fault and has nothing to do with Montys poor substitutions or getting it wrong tactically in games !!!.

Again I hope Monty succeeds though there is worrying signs that has nothing to do with the previous manager .

I was happy going into the last game of the season with a chance of 4th and was equally happy enough we qualified for Europe with a fifth place finish considering we were in the bottom 6 the year before. Each to there own though 👍

[Pagan Hibernia]

Thanks for reminding it's November ��. Two months is not nearly long enough and he does need a couple of transfer windows to take in his own players . LJ also had this problem too with players signed by the previous two manager's though it wasn't their fault he lost his job and neither will it be LJ's if Monty doesn't last either .

As to Monty having to work with LJ's players they are imo certainly better players than a lot of clubs have in the league ( barring the OF ) though of course it's all Johnson's fault and has nothing to do with Montys poor substitutions or getting it wrong tactically in games !!!.

Again I hope Monty succeeds though there is worrying signs that has nothing to do with the previous manager .

I was happy going into the last game of the season with a chance of 4th and was equally happy enough we qualified for Europe with a fifth place finish considering we were in the bottom 6 the year before. Each to there own though ��

Believe me if Montgomery finishes 8th this season I'll absolutely be calling for him to go. It would be unacceptable in as poor a league as this. I just feel some (not necessarily you btw) have written him off already.

[The Veteran]

Like the guy a lot but that's brutal tonight . His subs where brutal

Where were they 'brutal"?

:na na:

[Unseen work]

We’ll win on Saturday and then go a on a run of consistently winning games.

We’re playing well, we just need it to click and get that belief again.

The only thing I’d say is at times we need to move the ball that bit quicker/play more in the opposition half. Get Youan, Vente, Jair and Boyle on the ball more instead of Fish and Rocky.

[Crunchie]

100% I’ve told everyone that would read / listen

Last Tuesday he brings of a forward for another midfielder to make dhanda stops picking the ball up we win that game 2-0

Sorry but that’s 4 points dropped in the last two league games from stubborness is the only way I can describe it.
You don't know what would have happened, none of us do, so please spare us your bs.

[J-C]

LJ finished 5th and nearly 4th , we are 8th at the minute . If we go on to finish 3rd or 4th then I agree we have improved . 2 wins , 6 draws and 2 defeats isn't what I'd call a massive improvement.

You really need to let Johnson go for the good of your health, this pining for an ex manager who was decidedly average is quite baffling, if you adore him so much why not support Fleetwood Town and you can worship him all over again.

[blackpoolhibs]

I have no idea what the future holds and what games we are going to win or not, but what I do know is the manager needs to swallow his pride and realise with these players he can't weaken us the way he has been by substitutions like he is making without changing the system too.

[Crunchie]

I have no idea what the future holds and what games we are going to win or not, but what I do know is the manager needs to swallow his pride and realise with these players he can't weaken us the way he has been by substitutions like he is making without changing the system too.
You don't know any such thing no matter how much you try and convince yourself.

[The Veteran]

You don't know any such thing no matter how much you try and convince yourself.

Correct. :aok:

[1620]

I've said this already but you bring Lewis on instead of Landers and stick him in midfield for the remaining minutes then that's a win. Instead we ended up with a 7 v 6 scenario in injury time with our 2 strikers and wingers stuck up the park in the 93rd minute.

I agree with this statement.
I think there are positive signs that NM’s 442 system is capable of getting our team into leading situations and he needs to learn that in order to see out a game for a win no one will think he is compromising his principles if he makes the sort of substitution suggested above. Everyone will agree it was sensible game management in order to secure a win. The best of managers and teams do whatever is needed to secure a result and no one thinks less of them.

[Donegal Hibby]

Believe me if Montgomery finishes 8th this season I'll absolutely be calling for him to go. It would be unacceptable in as poor a league as this. I just feel some (not necessarily you btw) have written him off already.

While I have concerns about him in the way we play without changing for certain games or in a situation like last night were we had a 2-1 lead and could have put on another defender or midfielder perhaps to tighten things up when we were under pressure.

Even some of the substitutions he's made too I found hasn't exactly helped us at times though I don't think anyone should be writing the guy off just yet as it's away to early . I think our squad is as good as anyone's outside the old firm though probably needs 3 or 4 players in to improve it .

A draw wasn't the worst result away to St mirren tbh , hopefully a win on Saturday will lift everyone's spirits abit on Saturday and get us all on side again 🤞👍

[Donegal Hibby]

You really need to let Johnson go for the good of your health, this pining for an ex manager who was decidedly average is quite baffling, if you adore him so much why not support Fleetwood Town and you can worship him all over again.

I'm not the one that's bringing him up to blame him for results when he's no longer here though :crazy: .
Healths fine and thanks for the advice on supporting Fleetwood town O WISE ONE though I think I'll pass on that 😂😂.

[J-C]

I'm not the one that's bringing him up to blame him for results when he's no longer here though :crazy: .
Healths fine and thanks for the advice on supporting Fleetwood town O WISE ONE though I think I'll pass on that 😂😂.

The post I quoted you were comparing LJ record from last season to this season, Johnson was booted not because he finished 5th but the horrendous start to the league campaign and a shocking defeat to part timers of Andorra, lets not compare what happened last season as it's in the past, Montgomery has come in and has lost 1 game in 9 in the league, I agree too many draws but his start is far better than Johnson and the football is much better on the eye.

[GRA]

Much better football and could easily have had 8 more points than we currently do & cup final to look forward to under Monty. Our luck will turn and once it does we'll start turning those frustrating draws into wins.

That plus Monty learning how to see out a game with these players. If we keep continually throwing away points under his leadership he'll be in trouble.

[blackpoolhibs]

You don't know any such thing no matter how much you try and convince yourself.

Just like you.

[Donegal Hibby]

The post I quoted you were comparing LJ record from last season to this season, Johnson was booted not because he finished 5th but the horrendous start to the league campaign and a shocking defeat to part timers of Andorra, lets not compare what happened last season as it's in the past, Montgomery has come in and has lost 1 game in 9 in the league, I agree too many draws but his start is far better than Johnson and the football is much better on the eye.

I will be judging the new manager at the end of the season on where we finished from the year before, if we finish 5th I will still be wanting Monty as manager . 3rd or 4th , great we have improved .

6th we have declined abit . Bottom 6 and he has to go ! . 1 lost in 9 can also be flipped to 1 win in 7 I think ? , depends how you want look on it I suppose! .

I still think the two Luzern games is probably the best I've seen us play this season though your right in at times under Monty it's been good though others times it hasn't Sevco , Ross county etc .

All for giving Monty time though results will have to improve sooner rather than later for other supporters I think . Whatever games we win this year the credit should go to Monty and the staff just the same as when we have a poor result they shouldnt be exempt from any criticism. Montys the manager now and there's no point blaming anyone else for a game like the Ross county one imo .
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/why-always-us-hibs-cursed-by-inability-to-hold-onto-a-lead-4403483

[TrinityHFC]

The post I quoted you were comparing LJ record from last season to this season, Johnson was booted not because he finished 5th but the horrendous start to the league campaign and a shocking defeat to part timers of Andorra, lets not compare what happened last season as it's in the past, Montgomery has come in and has lost 1 game in 9 in the league, I agree too many draws but his start is far better than Johnson and the football is much better on the eye.

So you’re suggesting people aren’t Hibs fans for being concerned with Monty’s record so far but you’re pretty much fine with sacking a manager who did okay last year based on 4 games. You also mentioned the Falkirk game which was pretty early days.

[Nicho87]

You don't know what would have happened, none of us do, so please spare us your bs.

Nice

[Skol]

It is madness to be talking about a new manager at this stage.

There is definite improvement since Montgomery came in. He has an approach he believes in and it will take time for the players to adapt. He does get the starting team right more often than not but its his subs and the inability to close games out that is lacking

The record has too many draws, but two or three of those could easily have been wins and it would be a very different position. Montgomery needs at lest the next two transfers windows and our support while he is at it.

[Donegal Hibby]

[QUOTE=Skol;7507340]It is madness to be talking about a new manager at this stage.

There is definite improvement since Montgomery came in. He has an approach he believes in and it will take time for the players to adapt. He does get the starting team right more often than not but its his subs and the inability to close games out that is lacking

The record has too many draws, but two or three of those could easily have been wins and it would be a very different position. Montgomery needs at lest the next two transfers windows and our support while he is at it.[/Q


It's not madness to be discussing concerns about manager , it would be madness to be calling for the guys head though so early which I don't the majority are doing on here .

There is signs of improvement but there's also signs of flaws in the way we are playing which we have seen in numerous games so far too. There was also no harm discussing did he do the right thing making the substitutions he did like in the Ross county game ?.

You mention the players need time to adapt , that's exactly what I'm hoping Monty will do at some stage in changing the shape of the team for certain games or when we need to grind out a win when leading by a goal like in the St mirren game .

Do agree he needs a couple of transfer windows though until then what he needs most at the minute is a couple of wins , hopefully starting on Saturday.

[A Hi-Bee]

[QUOTE=Skol;7507340]It is madness to be talking about a new manager at this stage.

There is definite improvement since Montgomery came in. He has an approach he believes in and it will take time for the players to adapt. He does get the starting team right more often than not but its his subs and the inability to close games out that is lacking

The record has too many draws, but two or three of those could easily have been wins and it would be a very different position. Montgomery needs at lest the next two transfers windows and our support while he is at it.[/Q


It's not madness to be discussing concerns about manager , it would be madness to be calling for the guys head though so early which I don't the majority are doing on here .

There is signs of improvement but there's also signs of flaws in the way we are playing which we have seen in numerous games so far too. There was also no harm discussing did he do the right thing making the substitutions he did like in the Ross county game ?.

You mention the players need time to adapt , that's exactly what I'm hoping Monty will do at some stage in changing the shape of the team for certain games or when we need to grind out a win when leading by a goal like in the St mirren game .

Do agree he needs a couple of transfer windows though until then what he needs most at the minute is a couple of wins , hopefully starting on Saturday.

Hey when was the last time you was at Easter Road, as you aint seeing the same game as I am, Monty will see us right Rome wasnie built in a day, it will take a bit o time.
GGTTH

[Skol]

Last home game. And again tomorrow. With Hampden in between. Didn’t go to paisley admittedly.

[A Hi-Bee]

Last home game. And again tomorrow. With Hampden in between. Didn’t go to paisley admittedly.

Sorry Skol, my reply was to the person who replied to you, Donegal Hibby. I happen to agree wi you.
:thumbsup:

[Donegal Hibby]

[QUOTE=Donegal Hibby;7507372]

Hey when was the last time you was at Easter Road, as you aint seeing the same game as I am, Monty will see us right Rome wasnie built in a day, it will take a bit o time.
GGTTH

Been awhile tbh , what game am I not seeing the same as you mate ? . Hopefully Monty does see us right and your correct in Rome wasn't built in a day though I doubt some Hibs fans have the same patience as the Romans had . Defeat or draw on Saturday and I suspect some will be wanting to throw Monty to the lions though .

[sean]

[QUOTE=Skol;7507340]It is madness to be talking about a new manager at this stage.

There is definite improvement since Montgomery came in. He has an approach he believes in and it will take time for the players to adapt. He does get the starting team right more often than not but its his subs and the inability to close games out that is lacking

The record has too many draws, but two or three of those could easily have been wins and it would be a very different position. Montgomery needs at lest the next two transfers windows and our support while he is at it.[/Q


It's not madness to be discussing concerns about manager , it would be madness to be calling for the guys head though so early which I don't the majority are doing on here .

There is signs of improvement but there's also signs of flaws in the way we are playing which we have seen in numerous games so far too. There was also no harm discussing did he do the right thing making the substitutions he did like in the Ross county game ?.

You mention the players need time to adapt , that's exactly what I'm hoping Monty will do at some stage in changing the shape of the team for certain games or when we need to grind out a win when leading by a goal like in the St mirren game .

Do agree he needs a couple of transfer windows though until then what he needs most at the minute is a couple of wins , hopefully starting on Saturday.


Having been to all bar one of the games under Monty id say individual errors are killing us at the moment as opposed to anything tactical.

Take the last 3 games..

County- Wallocott for the goal
Aberdeen - VAR debacle and ridiculous individual errors for the Aberdeen Goal (Millar, Marshall etc)
St Mirren - Youan striding forward couldn't take the ball with him

All 3 Games individual errors have lead to goals, as a manager you can't legislate for such mistakes.
We need better decision making individually and we will pick up way more wins than draws.

We look a far better TEAM under monty than under lee, we are way better organised as a collective and bar the rangers game haven't been heavily beaten by anyone. We shown character in abundance in some games and a lack of know how in others.

Its a new coaching team, im backing them and it will take time.

as someone else said Rome wasn't built in a day.

[Unseen work]

[QUOTE=Donegal Hibby;7507372]


Having been to all bar one of the games under Monty id say individual errors are killing us at the moment as opposed to anything tactical.

Take the last 3 games..

County- Wallocott for the goal
Aberdeen - VAR debacle and ridiculous individual errors for the Aberdeen Goal (Millar, Marshall etc)
St Mirren - Youan striding forward couldn't take the ball with him

All 3 Games individual errors have lead to goals, as a manager you can't legislate for such mistakes.
We need better decision making individually and we will pick up way more wins than draws.

We look a far better TEAM under monty than under lee, we are way better organised as a collective and bar the rangers game haven't been heavily beaten by anyone. We shown character in abundance in some games and a lack of know how in others.

Its a new coaching team, im backing them and it will take time.

as someone else said Rome wasn't built in a day.

I agree. Despite a poor win % so far I’ve seen enough to be confident he’s the man for us.

I think we’ll go on a winning streak, climb the league and then really kick on in January with some more players in.

[Heedersnvolleys]

I know this sounds counterintuitive when we have lost leads late on, possibly due to strange substitutions but I feel a lot more comfortable the way we play under NM than LJ. Under LJ we would constantly give the ball away and put ourselves under pressure but it feels like with NM we are in control of games a lot more. To play Celtic and get a draw but I never really felt under the cosh at anytime is a prime example.

[Ship of Hope]

Mostly enjoying watching the team a lot more since montys arrival and think we could be a wee slice of luck and cutting out the odd individual error away from going on a good run. He definately needs time time to get his strategy fully into play and get in his own players. Not sure if he deserves the 800years it took to build Rome though 😁

[HoboHarry]

Mostly enjoying watching the team a lot more since montys arrival and think we could be a wee slice of luck and cutting out the odd individual error away from going on a good run. He definately needs time time to get his strategy fully into play and get in his own players. Not sure if he deserves the 800years it took to build Rome though 😁
Monty's legacy will read, Veni, vidi, vici :greengrin

[Since452]

Honestly can't believe the improvements people are seeing. We've regressed so badly from last season it's frightening. The football is so slow and ponderous and we have the backbone of a slug. We were a couple of poor VAR calls from finishing 3rd last season. We'll be lucky to make top 6 this season.

[MWHIBBIES]

Honestly can't believe the improvements people are seeing. We've regressed so badly from last season it's frightening. The football is so slow and ponderous and we have the backbone of a slug. We were a couple of poor VAR calls from finishing 3rd last season. We'll be lucky to make top 6 this season.

Nonsense. At this stage last season we were as bad an out the league cup in the groups, and no Europe.

Lucky to make top 6 :faf:

[Hibby Bairn]

He's only been Hibs manager for 2 months. This place is mental.

[The Modfather]

Honestly can't believe the improvements people are seeing. We've regressed so badly from last season it's frightening. The football is so slow and ponderous and we have the backbone of a slug. We were a couple of poor VAR calls from finishing 3rd last season. We'll be lucky to make top 6 this season.

We have regressed from last season, which started under Johnson and cost him his job. We’ve not yet even had a transfer window to rectify Johnson’s failings that got him sacked. What is it you were expecting?

Can we also credit Montgomery with reaching a final and being higher in the league but for VAR calls as well?

You don’t see the progress others do, that’s fair enough.

[superfurryhibby]

I'm not that sure how much I'm enjoying watching Hibs just now. There's a lot of aimless possession football and we aren't winning games, regardless of the strategy behind it. I want my thrills from watching us attacking with intent, not from watching in fear as Rocky fannies around on the ball or Marshall gives a pass that put players instantly under pressure.

People are comparing NM's style with that of Johnson, understandable. FWIW, I mostly enjoyed the last half of the season under LJ there were some great results, as well as some rubbish ones. I had hoped he would push on this season, but clearly he was incapable of that, Luzern results aside.

It's still early days. I suspect that reality is sinking in for Monty at Hibs. There are managers out there, like McInnes, Robinson, McKay, Martindale who are well capable of finding ways to counter our style. They're not mugs and have way more experience of what is required to win games in our league.

I don't watch A -League football, but from what I understand, it's a decent step up in level from that to the SPFL (or whatever it's called). We've seen winners at lower level struggle to find a winning formula at Hibs (Fenlon springs to mind).

NM is still an inexperienced manager, he's now up against better managers than he's pitted his wits against previously. There is a learning curve attached to that. He needs to win some games though, otherwise he's under pressure.

Much of what folk are saying about NM seems like a leap of faith to me. He's not made the side perform better and I'm not particularly enjoying watching the team. He does seem like a decent guy etc, but so what? Talking a better game doesn't put points on the league table

As an aside, anyone investing 10 million into the club, what if they don't fancy Monty as manager? Is Foley going to be accepting of the NM record so far?

|Before anyone else points out the obvious, he's having to pish with the boabie he has. I understand that. Can't help thinking though that a McInnes or a Robinson does better with them.

[Jones28]

Honestly can't believe the improvements people are seeing. We've regressed so badly from last season it's frightening. The football is so slow and ponderous and we have the backbone of a slug. We were a couple of poor VAR calls from finishing 3rd last season. We'll be lucky to make top 6 this season.

:worms:

[JimBHibees]

I know this sounds counterintuitive when we have lost leads late on, possibly due to strange substitutions but I feel a lot more comfortable the way we play under NM than LJ. Under LJ we would constantly give the ball away and put ourselves under pressure but it feels like with NM we are in control of games a lot more. To play Celtic and get a draw but I never really felt under the cosh at anytime is a prime example.

Definitely agree

[richard_pitts]

Definitely agree

i have pointed out elsewhere that we are frustrated that we are not getting the results play has merited and we're losing leads. Under the Johnson we didn't have a lead to lose :wink:

[Gordy M]

I'm not that sure how much I'm enjoying watching Hibs just now. There's a lot of aimless possession football and we aren't winning games, regardless of the strategy behind it. I want my thrills from watching us attacking with intent, not from watching in fear as Rocky fannies around on the ball or Marshall gives a pass that put players instantly under pressure.

People are comparing NM's style with that of Johnson, understandable. FWIW, I mostly enjoyed the last half of the season under LJ there were some great results, as well as some rubbish ones. I had hoped he would push on this season, but clearly he was incapable of that, Luzern results aside.

It's still early days. I suspect that reality is sinking in for Monty at Hibs. There are managers out there, like McInnes, Robinson, McKay, Martindale who are well capable of finding ways to counter our style. They're not mugs and have way more experience of what is required to win games in our league.

I don't watch A -League football, but from what I understand, it's a decent step up in level from that to the SPFL (or whatever it's called). We've seen winners at lower level struggle to find a winning formula at Hibs (Fenlon springs to mind).

NM is still an inexperienced manager, he's now up against better managers than he's pitted his wits against previously. There is a learning curve attached to that. He needs to win some games though, otherwise he's under pressure.

Much of what folk are saying about NM seems like a leap of faith to me. He's not made the side perform better and I'm not particularly enjoying watching the team. He does seem like a decent guy etc, but so what? Talking a better game doesn't put points on the league table

As an aside, anyone investing 10 million into the club, what if they don't fancy Monty as manager? Is Foley going to be accepting of the NM record so far?

|Before anyone else points out the obvious, he's having to pish with the boabie he has. I understand that. Can't help thinking though that a McInnes or a Robinson does better with them.

Only 2 managers have managed to beat him in 12 games. Im not sure all these other managers are finding a way to counter him at all. What games do you think we should have lost in? I think we a few individual errors away from being in 3rd.

[J-C]

Honestly can't believe the improvements people are seeing. We've regressed so badly from last season it's frightening. The football is so slow and ponderous and we have the backbone of a slug. We were a couple of poor VAR calls from finishing 3rd last season. We'll be lucky to make top 6 this season.

You're at it with posts like this, still greetin over LJ being booted I see, pathetic.

[HoboHarry]

He's only been Hibs manager for 2 months. This place is mental.
In fairness I think this site is ok for the most part but the few empty barrels that are here sure make an awful lot of noise.

[superfurryhibby]

Only 2 managers have managed to beat him in 12 games. Im not sure all these other managers are finding a way to counter him at all. What games do you think we should have lost in? I think we a few individual errors away from being in 3rd.

I never said we should have lost any games, although since you ask, I feel we could easily have lost all of them (St Johnston excepted). The flip side of your could be in third place, is that we could also be sitting close to the bottom of the table.

Does throwing away leads v Ross County, Killie and St Mirren not count as being countered? Losing to a rubbish Aberdeen side who were down to ten men, is that not being countered?

My understanding is that NM has managed eight league games, winning one, losing one and drawing six.

He has managed two League Cup games, winning one (despite his substitutions) and losing one. That makes ten games in total, 2 wins, 2 defeats and six draws.

[WhileTheChief..]

i have pointed out elsewhere that we are frustrated that we are not getting the results play has merited and we're losing leads. Under the Johnson we didn't have a lead to lose :wink:

That's progress right there I guess :greengrin

[WeeRussell]

Absolutely no doubt we've improved from where we were - arguments to the contrary are pretty desperate. Its not been as rosy as most of us would have expected largely owing to throwing a couple of good leads away, and the ridiculous scenes at Hampden, which is frustrating.

Showing some improvement with the squad available was the easy bit. Now it's up to Monty to show he can take us up where we want to be, and bring in more of the type of players we want to see at Easter Road. Not so easy.

Looking forward to it and have faith in him.

[Allant1981]

You're at it with posts like this, still greetin over LJ being booted I see, pathetic.

Dunno why folk are wasting their time replying to this poster now, you would be as well sticking them on ignore

[Heisenberg]

Nonsense. At this stage last season we were as bad an out the league cup in the groups, and no Europe.

Lucky to make top 6 :faf:

Exactly. At the same time last season we were in exactly the same place in the league. 6 defeats out of 7 after losing 1-0 to Killie. That’s after LJ had a proper summer window to add players. We only improved after he got to tweak the squad again in January, something NM must be allowed to do.

[J-C]

Dunno why folk are wasting their time replying to this poster now, you would be as well sticking them on ignore

Usually as a last resort but if I did that with all posters like that, I’d have nothing to read on here. 😁

[Hibees1973]

First of all, I like Montgomery.

I can see a clear structure to our side and in the last 2 games, against sides we will be competing for a place in the top six with, I feel we have been the better side.

The problem Montgomery has though is the tools he has to work with. There is no depth to the squad, hence the 16 & 17 year olds he has had to select. If I'm being honest I cannot see Hibs stringing a consistent series of positive results between now and January. It's clear we have huge deficiencies in midfield and defence which won't be rectified until the next two transfer windows.

Montgomery deserves time and money to improve the team. There is a concern though if we get more injuries, a couple of defeats in the next month the situation could get worse. What Montgomery and his coaching staff don't need is more pressure from the media and support. He is just in the door. However, recent history has shown Ian Gordon and Kensell to be trigger happy in sacking managers.

Hopefully the team and Montgomery will get a break or two in the next few games and a couple of badly needed wins. Much as we have brought most of the misfortune on ourselves we have been on the wrong side of borderline VAR decisions and a few late goals against us.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Nonsense. At this stage last season we were as bad an out the league cup in the groups, and no Europe.

Lucky to make top 6 :faf:

I don’t often agree with Since452s posts but I’m toiling to see how the idea we could struggle for top 6 is so funny.

We’re picking up points at a rate which will have us miss out on top 6. It’s perfectly conceivable we could miss out. Infact the evidence so far would suggest we likely will.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Montgomery deserves time and money to improve the team.

When it comes to football nobody ‘deserves’ anything.

If you’re a manager, you need to show yourself capable of dealing with the hand you’ve been dealt to some degree. You can’t expect to show yourself to be unable to win games with the players already here and just be given numerous windows regardless. What if we give Monty January and we’re crap? We could be 18 or so games into his tenure with crap results, what then? Folk want him given 2 or 3 windows, what if we’re crap next September as well? Or the next February which would be the end of window 3?

Nobody is owed anything in football. As a head coach you have to be able to get something out of the players you’ve been given. At this point in time we’re not getting that.

[Allant1981]

I don’t often agree with Since452s posts but I’m toiling to see how the idea we could struggle for top 6 is so funny.

We’re picking up points at a rate which will have us miss out on top 6. It’s perfectly conceivable we could miss out. Infact the evidence so far would suggest we likely will.


It's only the start of November, its far to early to suggest we will finish bottom or top 6

[Paulie Walnuts]

It's only the start of November, its far to early to suggest we will finish bottom or top 6

It’s too early to make a judgement either way, absolutely.

The idea it’s such a nonsense idea that we could miss out though, considering our form so far, doesn’t seem to add up to me. On the evidence we’ve seen so far we look a bottom 6 side.

[Allant1981]

It’s too early to make a judgement either way, absolutely.

The idea it’s such a nonsense idea that we could miss out though, considering our form so far, doesn’t seem to add up to me. On the evidence we’ve seen so far we look a bottom 6 side.

Sort out the defence and stop leaking daft late goals and I think we will be ok, but you can never tell

[HFC93]

Honestly can't believe the improvements people are seeing. We've regressed so badly from last season it's frightening. The football is so slow and ponderous and we have the backbone of a slug. We were a couple of poor VAR calls from finishing 3rd last season. We'll be lucky to make top 6 this season.

Does anyone know how our points total compares this stage last season?

[superfurryhibby]

It's only the start of November, its far to early to suggest we will finish bottom or top 6

Played 12 league games, a third of our season.

At the current rate, we would be fighting relegation in May. That's what concerns me. I

I see a change in style, but not enough of an improvement. That doesn't mean NM can't turn it around, but I believed we had better players and that Johnson wasn't getting enough from them. I feel NM could do better with what he has now.

He will surely be given time, but he needs to win games and soon.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Does anyone know how our points total compares this stage last season?

It’s worse, I’m not sure by how much. It’s our worst total at this stage for over a decade.

[Gordy M]

It’s worse, I’m not sure by how much. It’s our worst total at this stage for over a decade.

Is it? Im sure we had a poor start to the 2019 season? Not sure exactly how it compares.

[Heisenberg]

Is it? Im sure we had a poor start to the 2019 season? Not sure exactly how it compares.

Yeah it seems to be the same as that season. 12 points after 12 games. 8th in the league.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Yeah it seems to be the same as that season. 12 points after 12 games. 8th in the league.

Apologies, I read the thread about 2011/2012 season and had it in my head that thread was saying it’s the worst since then, it wasn’t, it was just saying it’s the same as that season.

[TrinityHFC]

You're at it with posts like this, still greetin over LJ being booted I see, pathetic.

We’ve already established you were the same with disliking the previous manager at an early stage yet you’re banging on about people not being Hibs fans or being at it. That’s the pathetic thing.

[Potty78]

We had 15 points after 11 games last season so we are a few points behind just now. Not panicking, we'll be top 5 again. 👍

[J-C]

We’ve already established you were the same with disliking the previous manager at an early stage yet you’re banging on about people not being Hibs fans or being at it. That’s the pathetic thing.

At mo time did I say I was against LJ, but after a period of time I realised he wasn't what we needed, I gave him longer than 9 ganes to decide that though. You've turned into a bit of a stalker, maybe time to ignore you as I've better things to do.

[Carheenlea]

Absolutely no doubt we've improved from where we were - arguments to the contrary are pretty desperate. Its not been as rosy as most of us would have expected largely owing to throwing a couple of good leads away, and the ridiculous scenes at Hampden, which is frustrating.

Showing some improvement with the squad available was the easy bit. Now it's up to Monty to show he can take us up where we want to be, and bring in more of the type of players we want to see at Easter Road. Not so easy.

Looking forward to it and have faith in him.

There’s no doubt he’s under a bit of pressure at present to get a few wins on the board. I think most can see the bigger picture and we should see ourselves getting stronger with a couple of the managers own additions in January.

I’d like to think we can win our next two (Kilmarnock H, Dundee A) before the visit of Aberdeen which will be a big game. I can see things pushing on a bit from here and getting ourselves properly into the mix for where we should be.

[Ship of Hope]

Usually as a last resort but if I did that with all posters like that, I’d have nothing to read on here. 😁

Need a function to ignore all posts where a poster repeats a previously stated point of view... thats what becomes a bit tedious. I'm now now going to copy and paste this across all other forums daily for the next month in case anyone missed it 😉

[McGruber]

I've read numerous posts saying Saturday is a must win game. I'm wondering what the consequences of us not winning are?

I've explained my thoughts - I don't think it matters what the result is at all.

What do you think?

Hibs have to win today. Lots of draws, not won in ages and people starting to turn on Montgomery already. No wins but performances been decent, should have beat both Aberdeen & St Mirren. Win and it's draws to win folk happier and into international break with momentum, lose (or even not win) and knives will be out, into the break on a downer and could be a tailspin season fighting relegation. Huge game today, turning point game.

[B.H.F.C]

I have been, and remain, positive that Montgomery will do a good job. Goes without saying he really, really needs a win today though. I think we will win as well.

[WhileTheChief..]

Hibs have to win today. Lots of draws, not won in ages and people starting to turn on Montgomery already. No wins but performances been decent, should have beat both Aberdeen & St Mirren. Win and it's draws to win folk happier and into international break with momentum, lose (or even not win) and knives will be out, into the break on a downer and could be a tailspin season fighting relegation. Huge game today, turning point game.

I obviously want us to win as well but won’t be surprised if we draw or lose.

I just don’t see it as being that big a deal, and certainly don’t see anyone coming any sort of pressure.

Some of us will bump our gums on here like we’ve been doing since the start of the season but that’ll be the extent of any grumblings.

[blackpoolhibs]

I obviously want us to win as well but won’t be surprised if we draw or lose.

I just don’t see it as being that big a deal, and certainly don’t see anyone coming any sort of pressure.

Some of us will bump our gums on here like we’ve been doing since the start of the season but that’ll be the extent of any grumblings.

You dont think its a big deal if we lose today? :confused:

[WhileTheChief..]

^^Not really

It’s a mid table game, early in the season, against a team we’ve no axe to grind with.

All just feels a bit meh.

Add that to the last few results we’ve had and it’s more of a chore going to ER than usual.

Don’t mean to put a dampener on anybody’s mood and clearly still hope we’ll win. Just pretty chilled about our results now due to lowered expectations :cb:

[The Veteran]

Honestly can't believe the improvements people are seeing. We've regressed so badly from last season it's frightening. The football is so slow and ponderous and we have the backbone of a slug. We were a couple of poor VAR calls from finishing 3rd last season. We'll be lucky to make top 6 this season.

Blatant trolling.

[Wilson]

^^Not really

It’s a mid table game, early in the season, against a team we’ve no axe to grind with.

All just feels a bit meh.

Add that to the last few results we’ve had and it’s more of a chore going to ER than usual.

Don’t mean to put a dampener on anybody’s mood and clearly still hope we’ll win. Just pretty chilled about our results now due to lowered expectations :cb:

I kind of see where you're coming from.

Nothing is going to be decided on today's match.

However, it'd be nice to see things clicking a bit more. Perhaps our forwards could take more of their chances.

I can take not winning if Killie have to work hard for it.

No gifts.

[Smartie]

^^Not really

It’s a mid table game, early in the season, against a team we’ve no axe to grind with.

All just feels a bit meh.

Add that to the last few results we’ve had and it’s more of a chore going to ER than usual.

Don’t mean to put a dampener on anybody’s mood and clearly still hope we’ll win. Just pretty chilled about our results now due to lowered expectations :cb:

I disagree, in that I could see this season going in a number of different directions and it’s the outcome of games like this that will determine the outcome.

We might click and end up putting in a robust challenge for third, meanwhile I don’t even think a catastrophic collapse and relegation is out of the question.

In all likelihood it will be mid table mediocrity and “meh” but there seems plenty to play for to me still.

[Since452]

Well done Montgomery and the players. Hopefully that's the turning point.

[Hibs4185]

As a Montgomery supporter and a generally positive supporter, today was honking. At home to killie, it was brutal. From the 60th minute, the writing was on the wall in regards to an equaliser, thankfully it never came

[Hibby Bairn]

As a Montgomery supporter and a generally positive supporter, today was honking. At home to killie, it was brutal. From the 60th minute, the writing was on the wall in regards to an equaliser, thankfully it never came

4 games in 12 days. Give him and the players a break. Very unlucky not to come away with 9 pts and a cup final in that period imo.

[MWHIBBIES]

As a Montgomery supporter and a generally positive supporter, today was honking. At home to killie, it was brutal. From the 60th minute, the writing was on the wall in regards to an equaliser, thankfully it never came

Nothing was on any wall. Could've played another hour that gang wouldn't have scored. Offered nothing.

[Hibs4185]

Nothing was on any wall. Could've played another hour that gang wouldn't have scored. Offered nothing.

I’m an optimist but love your confidence.

Every fan in there was nervous from 60 mins onwards. Killie or not.

[supermcginn]

As a Montgomery supporter and a generally positive supporter, today was honking. At home to killie, it was brutal. From the 60th minute, the writing was on the wall in regards to an equaliser, thankfully it never came
Got to agree, great to win but the crowds won't be flooding back, that was a very abject home performance

[MWHIBBIES]

I’m an optimist but love your confidence.

Every fan in there was nervous from 60 mins onwards. Killie or not.

Which is bizarre, because we were in zero danger

[Hiber-nation]

I’m an optimist but love your confidence.

Every fan in there was nervous from 60 mins onwards. Killie or not.

I wasn't nervous, I was bored and frustrated.

[andrew70]

Yeah I agree with the above. Never in any danger. Stood firm when required.

[Brightside]

Can we at least stop talking about 442. Even a mad man would see it’s not that simple.

[Crunchie]

As a Montgomery supporter and a generally positive supporter, today was honking. At home to killie, it was brutal. From the 60th minute, the writing was on the wall in regards to an equaliser, thankfully it never came
I'll take that over a good display drawing or losing, which we've been doing recently. Now hopefully the players take heart from this and kick on.

[Since452]

As a Montgomery supporter and a generally positive supporter, today was honking. At home to killie, it was brutal. From the 60th minute, the writing was on the wall in regards to an equaliser, thankfully it never came

Just needed 3 points no matter how we got them. Winning ugly was important today and should give everyone a lift.

[Donegal Hibby]

Which is bizarre, because we were in zero danger

Not really considering how past games have went when we've been ahead , throw in the fact we were playing a big physical team that had ten corners too . Never thought for a minute there was zero danger tbh .

[CapitalGreen]

Got to agree, great to win but the crowds won't be flooding back, that was a very abject home performance

No team is going to be allowed to play free flowing football against a McInnes team. Celtic are the only team to beat them by more than a 1 goal margin in the last 6 months.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Just needed 3 points no matter how we got them. Winning ugly was important today and should give everyone a lift.

Absolutely :agree:

[B.H.F.C]

Big win for him and us. Poorest performance in the last week but the only one we’ve won, and I thought we deserved to win without being good.

[Skol]

Can we at least stop talking about 442. Even a mad man would see it’s not that simple.

I agree. It is a very fluid 4-4-2 and a long way from the way that line up used to work.

[Hibs4185]

Alll the replies, Never in danger?

Was Aberdeen in danger of scoring? No

Was St Mirren in danger of equalising? No


To say there was no danger, is absolute fantasy

[Ringothedog]

Alll the replies, Never in danger?

Was Aberdeen in danger of scoring? No

Was St Mirren in danger of equalising? No


To say there was no danger, is absolute fantasy

The fact is that Kilmarnock did not score, in the last 30 minutes we had better chances than they did. I can only remember one good save from Marshall, the rest was crosses into the box which we dealt with. What more do you want?
I was another one who did not see Kilmarnock scoring, they are a a boring bunch of strong physical players and McInnes uses them effectively. We stood up to everything they threw at us, so not fantasy it was fact

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

I thought we were really good today.

We were a bit sloppy in possession a few times but thought we played some good football for periods.

You could see the players working hard for that thoroughly deserved win.

Well done Monty.

[Hiber-nation]

Alll the replies, Never in danger?

Was Aberdeen in danger of scoring? No

Was St Mirren in danger of equalising? No


To say there was no danger, is absolute fantasy

To me the difference was that Aberdeen and St Mirren have players who can actually hurt you. Without Vassell Killie had no-one. I think I was just numb by the 90th minute :greengrin

[TrinityHFC]

Can we at least stop talking about 442. Even a mad man would see it’s not that simple.

I think talking about just 442 is simplifying it a bit. It is more about how we are deploying players in it and how effective it is.

I find how we are playing a bit boring and we really aren’t creating enough. That has a lot to do with where and it what way our attacking players are being asked to play.

I thought it was really flat at the end of the game today. Winning is important but people also want to be a bit more entertained, as Jack Ross found out.

Hopefully that’s the next step.

[Springbank]

Sometimes you just need a win...

My 2p today is - we were successful in tempting killie into our half with the risky risky risky goal kicks, but..
1. We rarely use that tactics for its main purpose ie to then fire passes into space behind their backline for our pacemen (so what's the point)?

2. Against hearts you just know we'll cough up a stupid goal for them with this high risk tactic

Great win, pleased for the team & Monty, work still to be done but a big win today

[Cat Stanton]

I thought we were really good today.

We were a bit sloppy in possession a few times but thought we played some good football for periods.

You could see the players working hard for that thoroughly deserved win.

Well done Monty.

I'll have some of what you're drinking.

I'm a fan of the manager: I think it's going to work out great. However, the second half in particular was absolutely awful. Basic errors, horribly low quality. Dreadful stuff. But as others have said, what mattered was the win. Onwards and upwards.

[Heisenberg]

Pretty poor performance but won the game. Probably should’ve had a penalty and did create a few other chances. Killie offered what was expected and we dealt with them without any real issue.

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

I'll have some of what you're drinking.

I'm a fan of the manager: I think it's going to work out great. However, the second half in particular was absolutely awful. Basic errors, horribly low quality. Dreadful stuff. But as others have said, what mattered was the win. Onwards and upwards.

Aye, maybe a bit carried away a with the win! :)

[truehibernian]

I really like and rate the manager. Lots of teams everywhere are adopting the ‘high press’ - that term really annoys me as for me it’s natural instinct in football to press the opposing team. Just a ‘new age’ cliche of the things that should come naturally to a footballer.

He’s improved Rocky without doubt, Jair coming in has had a positive impact and he’ll only improve game after game. Campbell coming in lately has taken his chance and chances. Marshall looks more steady. Levitt has come in and is getting better each game.

Hes giving youth a pathway into the side, is very clear and concise with his instructional and game play. The players don’t look as disjointed. He does need to recruit a couple of ‘leaders’ to solidify things, but overall I’m very impressed with his approach amd man management- you’d want to play for him.

As I said after the St Mirren game, January will be important and a real insight into his view on LJ’s squad. There’s also a building connection with the support which is vital. Johnson never ever had that and divided the support upon his appointment.

With Foley investing, and a manager who has a very clear outlook and vision of the way his team wants to play, it’s exciting.

[B.H.F.C]

I thought we were really good today.

We were a bit sloppy in possession a few times but thought we played some good football for periods.

You could see the players working hard for that thoroughly deserved win.

Well done Monty.

I think I’ve been one of the more positive voices on this thread but there’s no way we were really good today. It was one of those days that it didn’t really matter, was all about winning and I think we just about edged it as Killie were even worse.

[A Hi-Bee]

Today was all about the 3 points, I have a feeling that some team is going to get a real battering from Hibs, and its not far off.
GGTTH
:thumbsup:

[TrinityHFC]

Today was all about the 3 points, I have a feeling that some team is going to get a real battering from Hibs, and its not far off.
GGTTH
:thumbsup:

Not sure how? We haven’t looked remotely like we are close to or that interested in battering anybody.

[A Hi-Bee]

Not sure how? We haven’t looked remotely like we are close to or that interested in battering anybody.

Just believe me, thats all you need to do, it will happen.
GGTTH

[greenlex]

Not sure how? We haven’t looked remotely like we are close to or that interested in battering anybody.
You must spend a lot of time on your phone or something. :agree:

[TrinityHFC]

You must spend a lot of time on your phone or something. :agree:

I get that some fans really like to see us keep the ball and pass it about but I think it is quite deluded to suggest that we’re in any way close to battering anyone. We just don’t play in that way.

[A Hi-Bee]

I get that some fans really like to see us keep the ball and pass it about but I think it is quite deluded to suggest that we’re in any way close to battering anyone. We just don’t play in that way.

We will, just give it time and when it happens I promise not to come on here and say I told you so.
Deal.
GGTTH
:thumbsup:

[greenlex]

I get that some fans really like to see us keep the ball and pass it about but I think it is quite deluded to suggest that we’re in any way close to battering anyone. We just don’t play in that way.
I’ll agree we need to do it a fair bit quicker but it’s certainly not boring. The goal kick thing in particular.

[B.H.F.C]

I get that some fans really like to see us keep the ball and pass it about but I think it is quite deluded to suggest that we’re in any way close to battering anyone. We just don’t play in that way.

We should have scored four during the week. Today was just about winning and a different kind of game and that type of thing never looked likely.

I think there’s a fair bit of improvement in this team and we will have a game at some point where the front players click.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

Dug in and got a win when it mattered. I get the growing concerns over points dropped but there's not been many REALLY poor performances

I'm enjoying NM. I think his game management and subs have let him down but for me there's more positives than negatives and feels like we're heading in the right direction

[Bobby's Cinema]

A good win, the only result that would do us today before yet another break in fixtures. Happy to say the manager made some sensible subs and we got over the line.

In the end good performances throughout the team to get the win but have to say it was far from convincing for me watching that.

OK if the tactic is for Marsh/ Rocky to invite the press and then hit them with our pace. But too often we were standing on the ball when it wasn't coming and playing back to the keeper. At 0-0 watching a team without a win for several weeks it was becoming frustrating. Too often it was pinged into players heading back towards their own goal to receive and we lost possession. But suppose it is risk vs reward playing like this when it does come off and we flick it round the corner we get in.

[Skol]

I get that some fans really like to see us keep the ball and pass it about but I think it is quite deluded to suggest that we’re in any way close to battering anyone. We just don’t play in that way.

If hibs have the ball the opposition can’t score.

[TrinityHFC]

We should have scored four during the week. Today was just about winning and a different kind of game and that type of thing never looked likely.

I think there’s a fair bit of improvement in this team and we will have a game at some point where the front players click.

Disagree about during the week.

It was better than today but ultimately they had slightly more possession than us. We both had 4 shots on target. They had almost double the shots on goal and they had 3 corners to our 1. That wasn’t us on the verge of battering them.

[Donegal Hibby]

Today I don't think we were at our best though I seen us play well and not win . Just happy with the win and 3 points this time :thumbsup:

[B.H.F.C]

Disagree about during the week.

It was better than today but ultimately they had slightly more possession than us. We both had 4 shots on target. They had almost double the shots on goal and they had 3 corners to our 1. That wasn’t us on the verge of battering them.

We scored two goals on Wednesday and should have scored more. Don’t care what the stats say, I was at the game and we missed three chances in the one scramble first half. Youan should have scored with another chance first half. Campbell should have scored second half when he tried to go round the goalie, not a shot on target but a huge chance. Newell had another chance where he ended up falling over, again wasn’t a shot on target but a big chance and goalie had a great save from Youan as well. Chuck in the balls Tavares put across the box second half that nobody got on the end of. They are all big chances.

If we play and create chances like we did away to St Mirren we’ll do all right. Was a much better performance than today.

[andrew70]

We scored two goals on Wednesday and should have scored more. Don’t care what the stats say, I was at the game and we missed three chances in the one scramble first half. Youan should have scored with another chance first half. Campbell should have scored second half when he tried to go round the goalie, not a shot on target but a huge chance. Newell had another chance where he ended up falling over, again wasn’t a shot on target but a big chance and goalie had a great save from Youan as well. Chuck in the balls Tavares put across the box second half that nobody got on the end of. They are all big chances.

If we play and create chances like we did away to St Mirren we’ll do all right. Was a much better performance than today.

Agreed 100%. It will come.

[Since452]

I get that some fans really like to see us keep the ball and pass it about but I think it is quite deluded to suggest that we’re in any way close to battering anyone. We just don’t play in that way.

I agree. That was our first win since September and it was extremely nervy. I don't think we're anywhere near battering anyone. I'd happily take a nervy 1-0 every week though.

[McGruber]

Can we at least stop talking about 442. Even a mad man would see it’s not that simple.

Without giving the formation a label, don't think we control games or get our best attacking players involved enough as we don't have enough bodies in midfield and have both Boyle and Youan too deep and wide.
Trying to score our goals by releasing the whippets on the break usually leaves Vente looking on from 20 yards behind play.

Great 3 points today though and still think Monty will prove to be a good manager for us. Like Johnson before him though I don't think he's getting the most out our better players or got us playing as a cohesive team yet. Early days for him though

[JimBHibees]

We scored two goals on Wednesday and should have scored more. Don’t care what the stats say, I was at the game and we missed three chances in the one scramble first half. Youan should have scored with another chance first half. Campbell should have scored second half when he tried to go round the goalie, not a shot on target but a huge chance. Newell had another chance where he ended up falling over, again wasn’t a shot on target but a big chance and goalie had a great save from Youan as well. Chuck in the balls Tavares put across the box second half that nobody got on the end of. They are all big chances.

If we play and create chances like we did away to St Mirren we’ll do all right. Was a much better performance than today.

Agree could easily have been three up in the first half.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

I think I’ve been one of the more positive voices on this thread but there’s no way we were really good today. It was one of those days that it didn’t really matter, was all about winning and I think we just about edged it as Killie were even worse.

That sounds about right, taking into account the illness then I'm happy enough with the 3pts.

[Hibby Bairn]

Since Montgomery was appointed (including the Aberdeen win in September - so last 10 games), we are 4th in the form league. Only Celtic, Rangers and Dundee above us. And that is despite 6 draws.

[The Veteran]

Since Montgomery was appointed (including the Aberdeen win in September - so last 10 games), we are 4th in the form league. Only Celtic, Rangers and Dundee above us. And that is despite 6 draws.

If, as I suspect, you are giving Monty the credit for this, then I think you are wrong.

We would have done just as well without him and anyway, that stat is less impressive when you see that Dundee are above us!

[h1bs4life]

That sounds about right, taking into account the illness then I'm happy enough with the 3pts.

I like Monty can see what he is trying to do with the team , some of the time looks high risk but better than just humping the play up the park.
Was at the game but usually watch highlights depending on the score on Sportscene fast forwarding to the Hibs game and that’s it
Watched this morning let it run to the pundits obviously they had to talk about Kilmarnock 1st but then there were a few minutes showing how playing the style we are worked .

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001sj4p/sportscene-premiership-highlights-202324-11112023
go to 38 minutes worth a couple of minutes watch

[superfurryhibby]

If, as I suspect, you are giving Monty the credit for this, then I think you are wrong.

We would have done just as well without him and anyway, that stat is less impressive when you see that Dundee are above us!

That's a strange take on things. You don't know what we might have done, so irrelevant point really. The stat is what it is, regardless of who has earned more points than us. All that counts are points gained in the time that Monty has been in charge and if that equals being fourth best in the form table since his appointment, then there's no debate.

[Allant1981]

If, as I suspect, you are giving Monty the credit for this, then I think you are wrong.

We would have done just as well without him and anyway, that stat is less impressive when you see that Dundee are above us!

I'm certain folk on here just post to get a reaction out of others

[Hibby Bairn]

If, as I suspect, you are giving Monty the credit for this, then I think you are wrong.

We would have done just as well without him and anyway, that stat is less impressive when you see that Dundee are above us!

A reminder that we lost 3 straight games in the league before his appointment. Sitting bottom of the league with zero points and two home losses. We are unbeaten at home since then.

So, yes. I am giving the new manager credit for that.

[B.H.F.C]

A reminder that we lost 3 straight games in the league before his appointment. Sitting bottom of the league with zero points and two home losses. We are unbeaten at home since then.

So, yes. I am giving the new manager credit for that.

Was reading stuff about how we have regressed from last season. Points per game under Montgomery is almost identical to what it was last season. I’m pretty confident that it won’t be long before it’s improved on that either, and that’ll be before he’s had a chance to bring any of his own players. We’ve drawn too many games, obviously, but it’s not a huge jump to go from there to winning games more regularly. The mess of the team at the start of the season meant there was a huge turnaround needed to get us moving. I think it’s happening, slowly but surely.

[TrinityHFC]

Was reading stuff about how we have regressed from last season. Points per game under Montgomery is almost identical to what it was last season. I’m pretty confident that it won’t be long before it’s improved on that either, and that’ll be before he’s had a chance to bring any of his own players. We’ve drawn too many games, obviously, but it’s not a huge jump to go from there to winning games more regularly. The mess of the team at the start of the season meant there was a huge turnaround needed to get us moving. I think it’s happening, slowly but surely.

I don’t think a big turnaround was needed. Yes, the first three league games were poor but as we’ve seen with the other teams in Europe there were circumstances. The Lucerne games and the Aberdeen away game showed that once we settled down we’d be fine. That’s why, for me, what we’ve seen is disappointing so far.

Yes, we are passing the ball about reasonably well but that doesn’t in itself makes us a better team or a more effective team. It is dull and hopefully we sort that after we come back because I don’t think Hibs fans will enjoy it if it continues as it is.

[Carheenlea]

Since Montgomery was appointed (including the Aberdeen win in September - so last 10 games), we are 4th in the form league. Only Celtic, Rangers and Dundee above us. And that is despite 6 draws.

That’s quite an eye opener - wouldn’t have guessed it.

[Skol]

Whilst I am a fan, you can’t really include the Aberdeen win as Monty’s as that as far as I recall was gray n

[Paulie Walnuts]

That’s quite an eye opener - wouldn’t have guessed it.

To be fair, and without trying to be overly negative, it’s including a win that he wasn’t even here for. I’m not sure what the results would be over the 9 games if you removed that but I’d suggest there’s a good chance we wouldn’t be 4th.

The win yesterday has certainly made his record look better either way though. You can’t really say ‘since Montgomery took over’ but then include an extra win in there before he even arrived :greengrin

[truehibernian]

If, as I suspect, you are giving Monty the credit for this, then I think you are wrong.

We would have done just as well without him and anyway, that stat is less impressive when you see that Dundee are above us!

Much happier squad, players playing their preferred positions, young players getting an opportunity, Jair and Rocky much much improved, scoring goals and creating chances, better possession stats, Joe saying the coaching staff have them fitter than they’ve been, no waffling after match interviews, and a manager who actually listens and wants to be amongst his players. All in 8 weeks. One league defeat and one highly contentious VAR defeat - we are undoubtedly much much better under Monty and that’s without him being able to build his own team. Johnson was a terrible terrible manager who set us back.

I’m excited to see Monty’s approach to January and I think he’ll want Melkerson and Henderson back in summer. Wouldn’t at all be surprised if Jason doesn’t want to come home too 😉

[Paulie Walnuts]

A reminder that we lost 3 straight games in the league before his appointment. Sitting bottom of the league with zero points and two home losses. We are unbeaten at home since then.

So, yes. I am giving the new manager credit for that.

We didn’t. We won the game before he was appointed.

[B.H.F.C]

I don’t think a big turnaround was needed. Yes, the first three league games were poor but as we’ve seen with the other teams in Europe there were circumstances. The Lucerne games and the Aberdeen away game showed that once we settled down we’d be fine. That’s why, for me, what we’ve seen is disappointing so far.

Yes, we are passing the ball about reasonably well but that doesn’t in itself makes us a better team or a more effective team. It is dull and hopefully we sort that after we come back because I don’t think Hibs fans will enjoy it if it continues as it is.

I think it has improved is though because we’re picking up points at a quicker rate since he came in, albeit nothing special, than we were before he came in.

It’s gradual but I’ve seen enough to think that improvement will continue. I don’t think we’ve been brilliant since he came in, far from it, but I just think with the players looking like they’re buying in to it plus a couple of changes in January, we’ll be all right.

[bingo70]

That’s quite an eye opener - wouldn’t have guessed it.

I’m Montgomery’s biggest fan and I can’t believe there are people criticising him already however the stat you’ve replied to is a bit misleading as it’s including a game he wasn’t even here for.

If you’re judging NM solely on his time at Hibs, I would be surprised if we were 4th in the form table.

[et_hibby]

Much happier squad, players playing their preferred positions, young players getting an opportunity, Jair and Rocky much much improved, scoring goals and creating chances, better possession stats, Joe saying the coaching staff have them fitter than they’ve been, no waffling after match interviews, and a manager who actually listens and wants to be amongst his players. All in 8 weeks. One league defeat and one highly contentious VAR defeat - we are undoubtedly much much better under Monty and that’s without him being able to build his own team. Johnson was a terrible terrible manager who set us back.

I’m excited to see Monty’s approach to January and I think he’ll want Melkerson and Henderson back in summer. Wouldn’t at all be surprised if Jason doesn’t want to come home too 😉
Good post 👍

[Since452]

We didn’t. We won the game before he was appointed.

Also had arguably our best European result over two legs in a generation. Think the European games was definitely a factor in our league form. With what we splashed out in the summer it wasn't good enough though and Lee Johnson rightly paid the price. There was/is potential in this squad though. Montgomery won a watch with what he inherited. It's not been good enough so far IMO but hopefully yesterday is the tuning point and we can push on. Ironically LJ doing very well down at Fleetwood.

[The Modfather]

Also had arguably our best European result over two legs in a generation. Think the European games was definitely a factor in our league form. With what we splashed out in the summer it wasn't good enough though and Lee Johnson rightly paid the price. There was/is potential in this squad though. Montgomery won a watch with what he inherited. It's not been good enough so far but hopefully yesterday is the tuning point and we can push on. Ironically LJ doing very well down at Fleetwood.

He inherited the makings of a good starting lineup, one he still had to actually shape into a structured team with a game plan. However for the 2-3 million Johnson spent over 3 windows it’s also an expensive mess he’s inherited where outside a core of 13 or 14 players there’s little else there IMO.

[B.H.F.C]

He inherited the makings of a good starting lineup, one he still had to actually shape into a structured team with a game plan. However for the 2-3 million Johnson spent over 3 windows it’s also an expensive mess he’s inherited where outside a core of 13 or 14 players there’s little else there IMO.

Agree with that but at least with the new manager, we have one or two more viable options in the squad than we had before (without him actually signing anyone yet).

[Donegal Hibby]

Rocky had been improving around the time before Porto left , Rocky was imo actually our best defender before he got injured .

Our better possession stats are probably partly due to the fact that we play a lot of passes in and around the defense now . We were created chances before and scoring goals though the same problem exists from last year in we are losing to many .

As to Monty needing to build a squad I don't see that at all , there is a decent squad already here that just needs maybe a few going and 3 or 4 quality players added to improve it . It's a better squad now than the previous two manager's had imo .

As to LJ being a terrible manager that set us back ? , 5th place finish and qualifying for Europe compared to playing in the bottom 6 is some set back btw ! .

Why he's continuously brought up now even though he's at another club is abit baffling tbh ! .

[jeffers]

Rocky had been improving around the time before Porto left , Rocky was imo actually our best defender before he got injured .

Our better possession stats are probably partly due to the fact that we play a lot of passes in and around the defense now . We were created chances before and scoring goals though the same problem exists from last year in we are losing to many .

As to Monty needing to build a squad I don't see that at all , there is a decent squad already here that just needs maybe a few going and 3 or 4 quality players added to improve it . It's a better squad now than the previous two manager's had imo .

As to LJ being a terrible manager that set us back ? , 5th place finish and qualifying for Europe compared to playing in the bottom 6 is some set back btw ! .

Why he's continuously brought up now even though he's at another club is abit baffling tbh ! .

You mean like you’ve just done Donegal ? :wink:

[Gordy M]

Also had arguably our best European result over two legs in a generation. Think the European games was definitely a factor in our league form. With what we splashed out in the summer it wasn't good enough though and Lee Johnson rightly paid the price. There was/is potential in this squad though. Montgomery won a watch with what he inherited. It's not been good enough so far IMO but hopefully yesterday is the tuning point and we can push on. Ironically LJ doing very well down at Fleetwood.

Is he? Because he has won the same amount of points in the league as Hibs in the SPL have since he left. 15 points from last 10 games.