Hibs fans mock Ibrox Disaster

[Jones28]

I get it, but just because you are not affected is a poor excuse to do nothing.

I’d imagine you aren’t affected by racism, like me you are likely a white male. But I would absolutely call it out.

Hibs should be making a point about every piece of bigoted nonsense from the OF and putting it on a Monday show reel tagging Police Scotland, and every other club should do likewise.

J

Of course I would call it out, it’s never 3500 people doing it all at once is it?

That’s a good idea, I would happily see all the clubs do it. I don’t see it changing anything though. Rangers and Celtic need sectarianism and the hatred it stones to keep their rivalry as intense as possible. They might issue a statement, but aside from that I genuinely don’t see it achieving much.

[Steven79]

Why was it deleted?Probably because of the content.27331

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[Carheenlea]

Why was it deleted?

“The group would like to go on record to say say that any graffiti or stickers mocking the 66 found in the way end were not from Block Seven” The cub has also been in contact to confirm this”

Maybe the club hasn’t been in contact to confirm this, or if they have, liaisons between club and group is one they’d rather not be publicising at this time

The club allocate us a section of the away end for every match and the graffiti in question was not in our designated section”

After denials from club of any preferential treatment for any group this statement undermines the truthfulness of such comments. Again, one that the club may prefer not to be published.


It came down pretty quickly. After taking the time to compose the statement and graphics, it’s not really going to be a last minute change of heart..

[Smartie]

Why was it deleted?

I suspect it was because of the sentence at the end of the first paragraph about the club allocating them a section for every game.

Obviously there is a close relationship between block 7 and Hibs and it appears to cause a bit of bad blood between Hibs and some of their most loyal "other" customers because there appears to be a bit of preferential treatment going on.

They've probably pulled it as it jeopardises that ongoing good relationship and the preferential treatment they appear (!!!) to receive from the club.

[CraigHibee]

it's more than likely the "hangers on" for block 7 that have caused the issue, i think they (block 7) create a good atmosphere at the games.

last season i sat directly across from them in the east and the amount of kids/wish purchased stone island crew that would block the stairs and (more often than not) attempt to squeeze in to where i was just so they could be beside them, was ridiculous.

There does need to be better control imo but i'm not sure block 7 could police that themselves, at the end of the day the block 7 guys are allocated x amount of tickets for that section, they can't really help the folk who want to be part of that area that don't have a ticket for that bit (if that makes sense).

[Paulie Walnuts]

it's more than likely the "hangers on" for block 7 that have caused the issue, i think they (block 7) create a good atmosphere at the games.

last season i sat directly across from them in the east and the amount of kids/wish purchased stone island crew that would block the stairs and (more often than not) attempt to squeeze in to where i was just so they could be beside them, was ridiculous.

There does need to be better control imo but i'm not sure block 7 could police that themselves, at the end of the day the block 7 guys are allocated x amount of tickets for that section, they can't really help the folk who want to be part of that area that don't have a ticket for that bit (if that makes sense).

They have already said the guy had his ‘membership revoked from Block 7’ or something along those lines. Whilst at the same time denying it was anything to do with Block 7.

Make no mistake about it, they played their part in this.

[Brightside]

So the only guaranteed tickets they get are the Hibs First tickets? Thats correct yeh? So how is that different to what was said. If they are Hibs First members then they get what ever they pay for.

[Jones28]

Why was it deleted?

It basically said “it wisney us, it was somebody that looked like us, dressed like us and went to the game with us and had a membership with us, but it wisney us”.

[StockbridgeGoat]

Who are these dweebs to release statements anyway? They are just thick neds like those idiots at Parkhead and Ibrox.

[Bristolhibby]

It basically said “it wisney us, it was somebody that looked like us, dressed like us and went to the game with us and had a membership with us, but it wisney us”.

Right enough it did sound incoherent.

Somebody’s been kicked out of the “club” but it had nothing to do with the club.

J

[BobbyT1875]

It basically said “it wisney us, it was somebody that looked like us, dressed like us and went to the game with us and had a membership with us, but it wisney us”.

Travelled on their bus which was parked in the car park. And was also filled with fans in the B7 “section “. Which don’t belong to B7 and must have skipped on to their bus without permission, as they aren’t in their club and have nothing to do with B7. Pesky hanger ons

[Hibernian Verse]

Travelled on their bus which was parked in the car park. And was also filled with fans in the B7 “section “. Which don’t belong to B7 and must have skipped on to their bus without permission, as they aren’t in their club and have nothing to do with B7. Pesky hanger ons

They sound like the Rangers board and their "minority" chat.

[Bostonhibby]

It basically said “it wisney us, it was somebody that looked like us, dressed like us and went to the game with us and had a membership with us, but it wisney us”.So a big boy done it and ran away?

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[HFC93]

Probably because of the content.27331

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That's poor. An apology for the actions of one of their members and why it was unacceptable would have gone a long way IMO.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Who are these dweebs to release statements anyway? They are just thick neds like those idiots at Parkhead and Ibrox.

Dweebs! Not heard that for years 😄

[Bristolhibby]

Right enough it did sound incoherent.

Somebody’s been kicked out of the “club” but it had nothing to do with the club.

J

The perp has now been banned from Easter Road for life.

Strong message from Hibs.

Big a mistake a to make a, from a lad likely to be 18 years old if so. Hopefully this will deter others.

J

[Since90+2]

If it isn't attached to a banning order, then I'm not sure how enforceable a lifetime ban is at 18. How would they possibly know if he decides to attend in 4/5 years time?

I could be wrong but I think banning orders require the person to sign in at a police station at 3pm on a Saturday. Not sure if that time and day changes depending on what team they are deemed to support.

[hibee]

How do the club check that a banned fan is not at the game when they allow the group to wear balaclavas?

[CropleyWasGod]

If it isn't attached to a banning order, then I'm not sure how enforceable a lifetime ban is at 18. How would they possibly know if he decides to attend in 4/5 years time?

I could be wrong but I think banning orders require the person to sign in at a police station at 3pm on a Saturday. Not sure if that time and day changes depending on what team they are deemed to support.

Can a club apply for a FBO to be put in place, or is it always/only the police?

[Keith_M]

Can a club apply for a FBO to be put in place, or is it always/only the police?


An FBO has to be issued by a court, and I think they're only given in extreme circumstances, e.g. for a person involved in violent conduct.

As far as I'm aware, the only thing done so far is that the guy has been banned from Easter Road, which is the only action the club can take.

[Since90+2]

Can a club apply for a FBO to be put in place, or is it always/only the police?

No idea, sorry.

[Keith_M]

An FBO has to be issued by a court, and I think they're only given in extreme circumstances, e.g. for a person involved in violent conduct.

As far as I'm aware, the only thing done so far is that the guy has been banned from Easter Road, which is the only action the club can take.


I forgot to add the link...

https://www.mygov.scot/football-banning-orders

[basehibby]

Highly distasteful and I'll be glad to see any of the stupid little scrotes responsible receive suitable punishment.

It is however, ridiculous and laughable for the Rangers to play the holier than thou card and act all offended. Their supporters are responsible for sectarian chants glorying in being up to their knees in fenian blood and suchlike EVERY WEEK FFS. Utter hypocrisy from the Rangers AND their pals in the weegia even to mention this. They have ZERO right to make any fuss about this kind of thing until they clean up their own act.

[Keith_M]

Highly distasteful and I'll be glad to see any of the stupid little scrotes responsible receive suitable punishment.

It is however, ridiculous and laughable for the Rangers to play the holier than thou card and act all offended. Their supporters are responsible for sectarian chants glorying in being up to their knees in fenian blood and suchlike EVERY WEEK FFS. Utter hypocrisy from the Rangers AND their pals in the weegia even to mention this. They have ZERO right to make any fuss about this kind of thing until they clean up their own act.


When Rangers make a fuss, it's all over the MSM

When a newspaper reporter points out the sectarianism of their fans, he's banned from Ibrox.


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[Torto7]

Highly distasteful and I'll be glad to see any of the stupid little scrotes responsible receive suitable punishment.

It is however, ridiculous and laughable for the Rangers to play the holier than thou card and act all offended. Their supporters are responsible for sectarian chants glorying in being up to their knees in fenian blood and suchlike EVERY WEEK FFS. Utter hypocrisy from the Rangers AND their pals in the weegia even to mention this. They have ZERO right to make any fuss about this kind of thing until they clean up their own act.

:agree: It's a shame some can't see this and seem to enjoy doing their work for them. What's worse a tiny bunch of neds with horrible views or an entire stadium wanting our manager dead? Or getting your door kicked in at 4 in the morning by the police?

[Northernhibee]

:agree: It's a shame some can't see this and seem to enjoy doing their work for them. What's worse a tiny bunch of neds with horrible views or an entire stadium wanting our manager dead? Or getting your door kicked in at 4 in the morning by the police?

It’s all intolerable and shameful that one of the things you’ve mentioned is attributable to our club.

[matty_f]

If it isn't attached to a banning order, then I'm not sure how enforceable a lifetime ban is at 18. How would they possibly know if he decides to attend in 4/5 years time?

I could be wrong but I think banning orders require the person to sign in at a police station at 3pm on a Saturday. Not sure if that time and day changes depending on what team they are deemed to support.

Yeah it’s a token gesture, virtually no way that’s enforceable - they’ll be able to stop him buying tickets directly but beyond that, there’s no way he’ll be kept out unless he adheres to the ban himself.

[Torto7]

Another sorry episode in the Hibs & Block 7 cluster******.

The club really should be stopping any partnership or relationship with them now. To hear they get any kind of preferential treatment for tickets is shocking. Even if it's a set block at the same time as Hibs First, it's not fair or transparent.

Anyone that has had to deal with them or spend anytime around them would agree the club will only continue to be tarnished by their behavior. And of course they'll deny the Ibrox mess was them...but take a look at the pictures, the stickers happen to be about 3 seats to the right of the area they sat - even they aren't going to graffiti or sticker those types of messages in exactly the seats they were allocated/pushed fans out of. Everytime they get caught it's the same 'Hangers on / no us' excuse.

A sorry state for the club to get itself in. They are risking long-standing fans respect and loyalty with each B7 misstep.

Utter drivel. The East stand growing up was way worse than anything block 7 do. What's with the middle aged brigade all wanting to pour in and give a bunch of wee laddies a shoeing. Is it jealousy? It's like reading a bunch of middle class drama queens.

[WhileTheChief..]

It is however, ridiculous and laughable for the Rangers to play the holier than thou card and act all offended. Their supporters are responsible for sectarian chants glorying in being up to their knees in fenian blood and suchlike EVERY WEEK FFS. Utter hypocrisy from the Rangers AND their pals in the weegia even to mention this. They have ZERO right to make any fuss about this kind of thing until they clean up their own act.

:top marks

[the_ginger_hibee]

Utter drivel. The East stand growing up was way worse than anything block 7 do. What's with the middle aged brigade all wanting to pour in and give a bunch of wee laddies a shoeing. Is it jealousy? It's like reading a bunch of middle class drama queens.

I think you miss the point of my post. It was less about the B7 actions and more about the club treating them favourably & compared to others.

There's plenty examples in this thread of people who go to games and have been going for a long time becoming frustrated and losing respect for the clubs stance with B7. I don't think everyone who is posting their frustration have a squeaky clean past either - but at no point was their behavior excused by the club. At no point did the club provide them exclusive channels for chats or tickets.

Plus the tragedy celebrating is beyond anything seen in the East I'd wager. A new low.

[WeeRussell]

Utter drivel. The East stand growing up was way worse than anything block 7 do. What's with the middle aged brigade all wanting to pour in and give a bunch of wee laddies a shoeing. Is it jealousy? It's like reading a bunch of middle class drama queens.

I’m guessing I’m younger than you but I never experienced anything way worse than coordinated vandalism all centred on mocking the Ibrox disaster ‘growing up’ in the east stand. If anything worse did take place then those involved should have been condemned and punished too.

It’s a disgusting thing to have happened from people meant to be representing our support and all the hard man acts and calling people middle-aged or class doesn’t change that.

But I could just be jealous of the balaclavas and matching t shirts.

[Mantis Toboggan]

:agree: It's a shame some can't see this and seem to enjoy doing their work for them. What's worse a tiny bunch of neds with horrible views or an entire stadium wanting our manager dead? Or getting your door kicked in at 4 in the morning by the police?

Banning someone for mocking a disaster isn't doing anyone's work for them, it's doing the right thing, which is what I expect to see the club doing regardless of the behaviour of the rest of Scottish football/society

[Dashing Bob S]

We have to hope it’s youth. The death cult stuff is unsavory but their sense of mortality is yet to kick in, so it’s all a shock factor laugh with their mates. For older people who can’t abstract loss of life in that way, it becomes doubly gross and offensive. I hope we can park this nonsense. The Mercer song is bad enough but the Ibrox disaster mocking is buying into the crassest elements of OF rivalry.

[truehibernian]

Utter drivel. The East stand growing up was way worse than anything block 7 do. What's with the middle aged brigade all wanting to pour in and give a bunch of wee laddies a shoeing. Is it jealousy? It's like reading a bunch of middle class drama queens.

I grew up in the East, it was why I loved going to and supporting Hibs as a young lad, the atmosphere, the tension, yes, as you say, often the incidents of bad behaviour. Almost like a right of passage back then, when you had no real cares in the world and wanted to fit in.

This however is simply about respecting fellow football supporters who went to a game of football and never returned home to their loved ones. It’s simply common decency, respect and humanity. And I’m now beyond middle aged, working class and have never once thought to mock the dead - even back in the day jumping around with my mates in the East.

I think we are all smart enough to know that the Ibrox behaviour is simply not a true reflection on our support, but it’s tarnished the club. I think the club and our support have responded well to it by calling it out and wanting those responsible punished.

[SHODAN]

Utter drivel. The East stand growing up was way worse than anything block 7 do. What's with the middle aged brigade all wanting to pour in and give a bunch of wee laddies a shoeing. Is it jealousy? It's like reading a bunch of middle class drama queens.

Everything now is fine because it used to be worse.

[Broken Gnome]

Utter drivel. The East stand growing up was way worse than anything block 7 do. What's with the middle aged brigade all wanting to pour in and give a bunch of wee laddies a shoeing. Is it jealousy? It's like reading a bunch of middle class drama queens.

You didn't have all sides coming at you desperate to badmouth the club and demand that someone takes responsibility back then.

Life has changed, football has changed, the law has changed. There's consequences for these things now, and idiocy needs properly addressed.

[WhileTheChief..]

Utter drivel. The East stand growing up was way worse than anything block 7 do. What's with the middle aged brigade all wanting to pour in and give a bunch of wee laddies a shoeing. Is it jealousy? It's like reading a bunch of middle class drama queens.

We made less fuss when Celtic fans threw CS gas at us in the East than Rangers are making about some stickers

[Blaster]

We made less fuss when Celtic fans threw CS gas at us in the East than Rangers are making about some stickers

I don’t think we did to be fair. Social media these days carries stories for longer and to wider audiences

[Rumble de Thump]

The authorities and media have played their part in normalising the hateful, anti-social behaviour and 'songs' from Old Firm fans for decades. It's not suprising that there are some other eejits that then feel they can get away with behaving badly at football stadiums. Individuals need to take repsonsibility for their own actions, but the people who work in the media and governance of the game, who turn a blind eye to this type of behaviour at the worst offending clubs, are reposible for giving people the impression that such behavious is acceptable.

[Bristolhibby]

I grew up in the East, it was why I loved going to and supporting Hibs as a young lad, the atmosphere, the tension, yes, as you say, often the incidents of bad behaviour. Almost like a right of passage back then, when you had no real cares in the world and wanted to fit in.

This however is simply about respecting fellow football supporters who went to a game of football and never returned home to their loved ones. It’s simply common decency, respect and humanity. And I’m now beyond middle aged, working class and have never once thought to mock the dead - even back in the day jumping around with my mates in the East.

I think we are all smart enough to know that the Ibrox behaviour is simply not a true reflection on our support, but it’s tarnished the club. I think the club and our support have responded well to it by calling it out and wanting those responsible punished.

There’s also the Lizzys in a Box and Maggies in the mud which seems to be popular at various clubs, including ours.

J

[jeffers]

I’m not defending the actions of Saturday, even regarding that horrible club there is a line that shouldn’t be crossed. However a lifetime ban for it seems a bit OTT imo. Especially when that same club thinks there is nothing wrong with belting out a song about being up to their knees in Fenian blood at every game and zero action is taken.

Hopefully we’ll hear from our club about that the next time they visit ER. I somehow doubt it though…

[Aldo]

An FBO has to be issued by a court, and I think they're only given in extreme circumstances, e.g. for a person involved in violent conduct.

As far as I'm aware, the only thing done so far is that the guy has been banned from Easter Road, which is the only action the club can take.


Yeah it’s a token gesture, virtually no way that’s enforceable - they’ll be able to stop him buying tickets directly but beyond that, there’s no way he’ll be kept out unless he adheres to the ban himself.

Keith your are correct however the police must request it when they report the circumstances to the PF. FBO’s can and have been issued for a variety of offences however the more serious offences can have conditions that the offender must report to a designated police station usually at 3pm.

For certain fixtures offenders can be doorstepped prior to match day reminding them of their responsibilities around adhering to the FBO.

The person doesn’t need to have commuted and offence in the stadium etc for an FBO to be requested. Only that they were attending it

[JimBHibees]

When Rangers make a fuss, it's all over the MSM

When a newspaper reporter points out the sectarianism of their fans, he's banned from Ibrox.


"Everyone, Anyone" (terms and conditions apply)

About the size of it. Still loads of succulent lamb being served.

[BobbyT1875]

I’m not defending the actions of Saturday, even regarding that horrible club there is a line that shouldn’t be crossed. However a lifetime ban for it seems a bit OTT imo. Especially when that same club thinks there is nothing wrong with belting out a song about being up to their knees in Fenian blood at every game and zero action is taken.

Hopefully we’ll hear from our club about that the next time they visit ER. I somehow doubt it though…

Very harsh a lifetime ban. Feels like Ben K trying to deflect criticism.

[CropleyWasGod]

Very harsh a lifetime ban. Feels like Ben K trying to deflect criticism.

The Club used the word "indefinitely", which suggests it could be lifted in the future.

[cabbageandribs1875]

life-time ban is wayyy OTT

[BobbyT1875]

The Club used the word "indefinitely", which suggests it could be lifted in the future.

I’ve not seen anything official from hibs . Appears they have leaked in to the media , to appease sevco

[CropleyWasGod]

I’ve not seen anything official from hibs . Appears they have leaked in to the media , to appease sevco

A direct quote here:-

http://https://news.stv.tv/sport/hibernian-ban-male-fan-involved-in-mocking-of-ibrox-disaster-on-saturday

A statement read: “The Club can confirm that since the match on Saturday against Rangers, a male has been identified and banned indefinitely from attending matches involving Hibernian Football Club.

[matty_f]

Very harsh a lifetime ban. Feels like Ben K trying to deflect criticism.

Deflect criticism from what?

[BobbyT1875]

A direct quote here:-

http://https://news.stv.tv/sport/hibernian-ban-male-fan-involved-in-mocking-of-ibrox-disaster-on-saturday

A statement read: “The Club can confirm that since the match on Saturday against Rangers, a male has been identified and banned indefinitely from attending matches involving Hibernian Football Club.

As I said hibs haven’t published it on their website.

[Since452]

I’m not defending the actions of Saturday, even regarding that horrible club there is a line that shouldn’t be crossed. However a lifetime ban for it seems a bit OTT imo. Especially when that same club thinks there is nothing wrong with belting out a song about being up to their knees in Fenian blood at every game and zero action is taken.

Hopefully we’ll hear from our club about that the next time they visit ER. I somehow doubt it though…

I have a degree of sympathy for a lifetime ban but if you are so triggered by Ranges fans to the extent you need to mock the Ibrox disaster then you're bringing it on yourself. You're not getting away with that these days. It's a PR disaster and left Hibs with little choice. Unless of course you support Rangers, you can act how you want and disrespect dead owners and ruin tributes etc. However i like to think we're a better club than Rangers. Best thing the lad can do is show he's sorry and ask the club for another chance. Worth a try.

[McD]

We made less fuss when Celtic fans threw CS gas at us in the East than Rangers are making about some stickers



So we should just tell the families affected by the tragedy to just man up…?

[mcohibs]

life-time ban is wayyy OTT

Suggest you do some reading into what happened at Ibrox that day and the fate of those football supporters, youngest of whom was 9 years old.

Well done Hibs. Actions have consequences. Hopefully a deterrent and a wake up call to some of the brainless amongst the Hibs ‘support’ that think they can hide behind a group name and a balaclava.

[CropleyWasGod]

As I said hibs haven’t published it on their website.

Pretty sure they didn't publish their previous statement about the affair on the website.

The website isn't their only outlet.

[WeeRussell]

I’m not defending the actions of Saturday, even regarding that horrible club there is a line that shouldn’t be crossed. However a lifetime ban for it seems a bit OTT imo. Especially when that same club thinks there is nothing wrong with belting out a song about being up to their knees in Fenian blood at every game and zero action is taken.

Hopefully we’ll hear from our club about that the next time they visit ER. I somehow doubt it though…

Whether it should be a lifetime ban, or indefinite, or not is debatable (personally I’ve no problem with the punishment) but I don’t think the fact it took place against a horrible club like rangers should really affect how long the ban is, if we’re agreeing it’s an unjustifiable act.

[Since90+2]

It isn't a lifetime ban, it's indefinite.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Deflect criticism from what?

Presumably the ticketing saga with Block 7?

[Since90+2]

Presumably the ticketing saga with Block 7?

In what way would it deflect criticism? Sounds like someone is having a pop at BK for the sake of it

[Paulie Walnuts]

In what way would it deflect criticism? Sounds like someone is having a pop at BK for the sake of it

Maybe by being seen to take a hard line on a group that people reckon have been getting preferential treatment and are becoming fairly unpopular with other fans?

[Since90+2]

Maybe by being seen to take a hard line on a group that people reckon have been getting preferential treatment and are becoming fairly unpopular with other fans?

He's not taken any hardline on the "group". He's banned one person caught doing it. He had no other option, he's given an indefinite ban not a lifetime one.

People coming up with conspiracy theories about BK now and deflection, along with KP has lied and should think about resignation from his role. The thread started out fairly well intentioned but just seems to be sliding into the silly now.

[LewysGot2]

This is all so unfortunate and sadly predictable.

There is a lot of polarisation - highlighting how the way the B7 situation has been handled for a long time. The responsibility for that is definitely not at KP’s door and there is zero reason to suggest he is implicated in any way. However, there are definite questions over what appears an unhealthy relationship between BK and B7.

B7 do not =Hibs support as an entity.

There’s umpteen examples of how their presence at away games is alienating other supporters. Labelling these other supporters as “old farts” “middle class pearl clutchers” and similar is unfair and not representative of those concerned with what they regularly see away from home, not just at Ibrox.

Telling folk just to shift is no answer. Everyone displaced by B7 and their non-hingers on is put in the position of doing the same to someone else. They don’t need or want the aggro. Why shouldn’t folk with young kids, older relatives or simply just wanting the view and seat they paid for just get telt to lump it for others with entitlement issues?

Youth might be one aspect of it. Youth culture is suggested, too but this isn’t kids dressing up in the same trainers, breeks or jaikets because it’s the rage. It’s for non-detection. Just like not sitting in your own seat or wearing balaclavas. Balaclavas werenae even trendy when they were widespread used by wee bairns in duffle coats and Clark’s shoes. It’s antisocial and it’s - for some - intimidating.

What 50 something auld men see in it, who knows. What BK has to gain from his relationship with them, who knows. He’s shown a lack of judgement in other things.

B7 will run its course -as the St Johnstone equivalents pointed out quite amusingly with their banner a season or so back. Hibs are going to struggle to market themselves as a family club or community club with this festering away in the background.

They need to actively listen when other fans raise legitimate concerns and not dismiss things because someone with BKs ear denies what we see every away game with our own eyes.

[Baldy Foghorn]

This is all so unfortunate and sadly predictable.

There is a lot of polarisation - highlighting how the way the B7 situation has been handled for a long time. The responsibility for that is definitely not at KP’s door and there is zero reason to suggest he is implicated in any way. However, there are definite questions over what appears an unhealthy relationship between BK and B7.

B7 do not =Hibs support as an entity.

There’s umpteen examples of how their presence at away games is alienating other supporters. Labelling these other supporters as “old farts” “middle class pearl clutchers” and similar is unfair and not representative of those concerned with what they regularly see away from home, not just at Ibrox.

Telling folk just to shift is no answer. Everyone displaced by B7 and their non-hingers on is put in the position of doing the same to someone else. They don’t need or want the aggro. Why shouldn’t folk with young kids, older relatives or simply just wanting the view and seat they paid for just get telt to lump it for others with entitlement issues?

Youth might be one aspect of it. Youth culture is suggested, too but this isn’t kids dressing up in the same trainers, breeks or jaikets because it’s the rage. It’s for non-detection. Just like not sitting in your own seat or wearing balaclavas. Balaclavas werenae even trendy when they were widespread used by wee bairns in duffle coats and Clark’s shoes. It’s antisocial and it’s - for some - intimidating.

What 50 something auld men see in it, who knows. What BK has to gain from his relationship with them, who knows. He’s shown a lack of judgement in other things.

B7 will run its course -as the St Johnstone equivalents pointed out quite amusingly with their banner a season or so back. Hibs are going to struggle to market themselves as a family club or community club with this festering away in the background.

They need to actively listen when other fans raise legitimate concerns and not dismiss things because someone with BKs ear denies what we see every away game with our own eyes.
:agree:

[Mcbizz1998]

Lifetime ban is fine with me. Will make these little ****s think twice next time.

[Peanut Shaz]

Whilst I fully support the indefinite ban to the individual concerned I question if it can be fully implemented. If he keeps away for a few weeks and then gets someone to buy a ticket for him in an area of the ground well away from B7 would anyone recognise him? I doubt I would.

[Paulie Walnuts]

This is all so unfortunate and sadly predictable.

There is a lot of polarisation - highlighting how the way the B7 situation has been handled for a long time. The responsibility for that is definitely not at KP’s door and there is zero reason to suggest he is implicated in any way. However, there are definite questions over what appears an unhealthy relationship between BK and B7.

B7 do not =Hibs support as an entity.

There’s umpteen examples of how their presence at away games is alienating other supporters. Labelling these other supporters as “old farts” “middle class pearl clutchers” and similar is unfair and not representative of those concerned with what they regularly see away from home, not just at Ibrox.

Telling folk just to shift is no answer. Everyone displaced by B7 and their non-hingers on is put in the position of doing the same to someone else. They don’t need or want the aggro. Why shouldn’t folk with young kids, older relatives or simply just wanting the view and seat they paid for just get telt to lump it for others with entitlement issues?

Youth might be one aspect of it. Youth culture is suggested, too but this isn’t kids dressing up in the same trainers, breeks or jaikets because it’s the rage. It’s for non-detection. Just like not sitting in your own seat or wearing balaclavas. Balaclavas werenae even trendy when they were widespread used by wee bairns in duffle coats and Clark’s shoes. It’s antisocial and it’s - for some - intimidating.

What 50 something auld men see in it, who knows. What BK has to gain from his relationship with them, who knows. He’s shown a lack of judgement in other things.

B7 will run its course -as the St Johnstone equivalents pointed out quite amusingly with their banner a season or so back. Hibs are going to struggle to market themselves as a family club or community club with this festering away in the background.

They need to actively listen when other fans raise legitimate concerns and not dismiss things because someone with BKs ear denies what we see every away game with our own eyes.

Agree.

That’s the biggest thing that would piss me off with them being in my seat and refusing to move. I’d then have to go and take someone else’s seat but couldn’t bring myself to be a total knobend like the Block 7 roasters so they’d turn up and I’d have to go find another seat etc. Would just become a total joke and a complete nuisance for myself because some coked up wee virgin has taken my seat. If it happened more than once I’d start to question whether I could be arsed with the hassle of going. I won’t be alone.

[HarpOnHibee]

I don't think a lifetime ban would be OTT (although that's not what the club have said). It may seem harsh if we compare how our own club deals with these fans relative to how certain other clubs deal (or don't deal) with their own fans. But we can't use these other clubs as a barometer for how to deal with our own. It's right that we keep our own house in order.

[Pretty Boy]

An indefinite ban makes far more sense than a lifetime ban. It allows a bit of leeway if adequate contrition and good behaviour is shown.

A lifetime ban is largely unenforceable, and when you think about it, totally stupid. In 50 years a pensioner wouldn't be able to attend games because of something daft his 20 year old self did. He could kill someone and in certain circumstances be out of prison in under a decade but holding a phone screen bearing an offensive message up at football draws a punishment of 40, 50 or 60 years.

There's plenty people on here who have said in the past they would happily have David Martindale as our gaffer because he's served his time, been rehabilitated etc etc. I have no issue with that viewpoint but what he did and the destruction it causes is far worse than what happened on Saturday. If we would be happy to accept him into the fold then surely the donut who has been banned as a result of Saturday deserves a similar chance?

By all means make an example of the guy but no one really believes a lifetime ban would mean life so make it a punishment that actually means something. Hibs have acted quickly and smartly imo.

[Northernhibee]

Agree.

That’s the biggest thing that would piss me off with them being in my seat and refusing to move. I’d then have to go and take someone else’s seat but couldn’t bring myself to be a total knobend like the Block 7 roasters so they’d turn up and I’d have to go find another seat etc. Would just become a total joke and a complete nuisance for myself because some coked up wee virgin has taken my seat. If it happened more than once I’d start to question whether I could be arsed with the hassle of going. I won’t be alone.

That happened to us - ended up trying to find a spare seat in a nearly full stand. Got aggro from other Hibs fans who had just happened to have gone for a piss or a pie, and ended up in seats that were almost entirely restricted view.

A miserable experience. And it's happened more than once, and aye, going to see Hibs away is a total chore and having wasted a lot of good money to not see the football, am disappointed in the club for not doing enough to tackle a recurring problem. To see them bending over backwards and moving ST holders out of the FF lower sticks in the throat somewhat.

[Not In The Know]

The Club used the word "indefinitely", which suggests it could be lifted in the future.

Exactly, let’s stop all this life time over the top nonsense. Folk need to get facts right before piling on the club.

[McD]

This is all so unfortunate and sadly predictable.

There is a lot of polarisation - highlighting how the way the B7 situation has been handled for a long time. The responsibility for that is definitely not at KP’s door and there is zero reason to suggest he is implicated in any way. However, there are definite questions over what appears an unhealthy relationship between BK and B7.

B7 do not =Hibs support as an entity.

There’s umpteen examples of how their presence at away games is alienating other supporters. Labelling these other supporters as “old farts” “middle class pearl clutchers” and similar is unfair and not representative of those concerned with what they regularly see away from home, not just at Ibrox.

Telling folk just to shift is no answer. Everyone displaced by B7 and their non-hingers on is put in the position of doing the same to someone else. They don’t need or want the aggro. Why shouldn’t folk with young kids, older relatives or simply just wanting the view and seat they paid for just get telt to lump it for others with entitlement issues?

Youth might be one aspect of it. Youth culture is suggested, too but this isn’t kids dressing up in the same trainers, breeks or jaikets because it’s the rage. It’s for non-detection. Just like not sitting in your own seat or wearing balaclavas. Balaclavas werenae even trendy when they were widespread used by wee bairns in duffle coats and Clark’s shoes. It’s antisocial and it’s - for some - intimidating.

What 50 something auld men see in it, who knows. What BK has to gain from his relationship with them, who knows. He’s shown a lack of judgement in other things.

B7 will run its course -as the St Johnstone equivalents pointed out quite amusingly with their banner a season or so back. Hibs are going to struggle to market themselves as a family club or community club with this festering away in the background.

They need to actively listen when other fans raise legitimate concerns and not dismiss things because someone with BKs ear denies what we see every away game with our own eyes.



Brilliant post

[matty_f]

Agree.

That’s the biggest thing that would piss me off with them being in my seat and refusing to move. I’d then have to go and take someone else’s seat but couldn’t bring myself to be a total knobend like the Block 7 roasters so they’d turn up and I’d have to go find another seat etc. Would just become a total joke and a complete nuisance for myself because some coked up wee virgin has taken my seat. If it happened more than once I’d start to question whether I could be arsed with the hassle of going. I won’t be alone.

That's exactly how I feel about it.

Absolutely all for the young team having fun at the football, but it shouldn't be at the expense of others.

[Scouse Hibee]

That's exactly how I feel about it.

Absolutely all for the young team having fun at the football, but it shouldn't be at the expense of others.

Me too, I have an extremely short fuse when it comes to daft wee fannies acting like hard men in a group, so would probably end up in more bother than I could handle if confronted like that by someone in my seat.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

That's exactly how I feel about it.

Absolutely all for the young team having fun at the football, but it shouldn't be at the expense of others.

Yup, within reason things that could deter folks from attending should be minimised.

[He's here!]

I see Celtic have banned the Green Brigade from their next three away games, including Easter Road. If the Block 7 guys are proven responsible for repeated bad behaviour, the club will be left with no option but to take similar action. It would be a shame, but we can’t tolerate stuff like yesterday.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-67215217

I'd be well hacked off if a group of Hibs fans acted this way even though they knew it guaranteed a fine for the club. I guess the Green Brigade know Celtic can afford to pay the fines.

[Nakedmanoncrack]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-67215217

I'd be well hacked off if a group of Hibs fans acted this way even though they knew it guaranteed a fine for the club. I guess the Green Brigade know Celtic can afford to pay the fines.

Completely different issue from the one being discussed.
Fining any club for this is ridiculous, and shows where allegiances lie - well done anyone who defies it, even Celtic fans.

[Mick O'Rourke]

Completely different issue from the one being discussed.
Fining any club for this is ridiculous, and shows where allegiances lie - well done anyone who defies it, even Celtic fans.I agree with your comments.
Support of Palestine appears to ruffle the feathers of those at UEFA,who of course show their allegiance allowing Israeli club sides to compete in European competitions.
Flags of many nations can be seen at grounds throughout the UK on any given weekend.
Supporting players and causes.
Kyiv but not Gaza, it seems from UEFA.

Also disgusted at the stickers, as well as being disgusted at the bigoted sectarian filth we endure when those sevco hordes come to The Holy Ground.

[SHODAN]

A lifetime ban is spot on. Well done the club.

Anyone else want to try it next time? :aok:

[Since90+2]

A lifetime ban is spot on. Well done the club.

Anyone else want to try it next time? :aok:

It isn't a lifetime ban.

[mutley]

Agree.

That’s the biggest thing that would piss me off with them being in my seat and refusing to move. I’d then have to go and take someone else’s seat but couldn’t bring myself to be a total knobend like the Block 7 roasters so they’d turn up and I’d have to go find another seat etc. Would just become a total joke and a complete nuisance for myself because some coked up wee virgin has taken my seat. If it happened more than once I’d start to question whether I could be arsed with the hassle of going. I won’t be alone.


Almost happened to me once at Tynie. On the occasion I manage to get a a ticket , I always try to get there as early as possible to avoid this issue.

On this particular time , even though I got to my allocated seat, before I knew it, we were swamped with all these wee fanbdans cramming into the same space, 2-3 standing in a 1 seat space, standing on the seats, climbing back and forth etc. And as much as I tried to tolerate their " atmosphere" i nearly lost it with 1 of them, and i knew if I escalated it any more, there would be violence towards me (to which I would defend myself but then risk getting thrown out and banned too).

Its gone too far and they need gripped

[Mick O'Rourke]

It isn't a lifetime ban.

Exactly
And how could such a "ban" be enforced in the not to distant future.
How can they ban him from away grounds ?
How can they stop him going to ticket window and buying a ticket on matchday.?
Not that easy to "ban" someone, is it ?

If the laddie accepts that from the club,fair enough ,and time for him to reflect on the stupidity of his actions.

[WhileTheChief..]

A lifetime ban is spot on. Well done the club.

Anyone else want to try it next time? :aok:

Meanwhile, anyone that's committed heinous crimes and done their time are welcome back?!

No way should anyone be banned for life, that's way over the top.

[CropleyWasGod]

Meanwhile, anyone that's committed heinous crimes and done their time are welcome back?!

No way should anyone be banned for life, that's way over the top.

It's not a lifetime ban :greengrin

[CapitalGreen]

Exactly
And how could such a "ban" be enforced in the not to distant future.
How can they ban him from away grounds ?
How can they stop him going to ticket window and buying a ticket on matchday.?
Not that easy to "ban" someone, is it ?

If the laddie accepts that from the club,fair enough ,and time for him to reflect on the stupidity of his actions.

Unless the ban is instructed by the courts and enforced by the police it is essentially meaningless. E-tickets and self scanning turnstiles means without Police assistance it is pretty much impossible to stop someone attending a match if they wanted to.

When the club turn a blind eye to people with convictions for extreme football related violence who regularly attend Easter Road, I doubt they are going to commit any resource to enforcing a ban against someone who held up a mobile phone displaying some offensive text. It’s simply a box ticking exercise to show they’ve taken action.

[Lancs Harp]

Almost happened to me once at Tynie. On the occasion I manage to get a a ticket , I always try to get there as early as possible to avoid this issue.

On this particular time , even though I got to my allocated seat, before I knew it, we were swamped with all these wee fanbdans cramming into the same space, 2-3 standing in a 1 seat space, standing on the seats, climbing back and forth etc. And as much as I tried to tolerate their " atmosphere" i nearly lost it with 1 of them, and i knew if I escalated it any more, there would be violence towards me (to which I would defend myself but then risk getting thrown out and banned too).

Its gone too far and they need gripped

Had the same at Tynecastle for the JDH game. I always like to be in early (probably at my seat 20-30 minutes before KO for home games) I had a ticket for i think the the second row behind the goals. This would have been pre B7 Im guessing but it got mobbed just before KO and was 3 deep in each row immediately behind the goal.
I think this is what rangers fans do when we complain about extra fans getting in. Its their "yoof" ignoring where they are supposed to be sitting and congregating with thier ultra pals in one area overcrowding it. A worrying trend IMO.

[Carheenlea]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-67215217

I'd be well hacked off if a group of Hibs fans acted this way even though they knew it guaranteed a fine for the club. I guess the Green Brigade know Celtic can afford to pay the fines.

Thought that was quite a good summary of the situation by Chris McLaughlin at the end of the article.


Analysis box by Chris McLaughlin,
Sports news correspondent

“To many football supporters, their clubs are an extension of their beliefs.
Some fans are happy to follow the football alone, but others want to be associated with an entity where their views on other matters can be shared in solidarity, in the stands, supporters' buses or in social clubs.
It has been this way since working men first aligned themselves with the colours of their local village, town, or city's football club. But the globalisation of football, along with the globalisation of the media, has made that concept ever more difficult and sometimes extremely delicate.
Celtic Football Club has always prided itself on being open to all but as an organisation founded in the late 19th Century to help feed the poor, its core ethos has, understandably, been viewed as one aimed towards social justice and equality.
So how do fans, keen to share and promote those beliefs, express them in a world where politics and world events are so polarised and football authorities want nothing to do with any of it?
This is the backdrop to the ongoing dispute between the club and a section of its support who are determined to show support for Palestine. Celtic have already been fined on two separate occasions after some fans displayed Palestinian flags during Champions League matches.
The club has recently distanced itself from banners displayed by a section of its support, following the attacks by Hamas in Israel and both Uefa and Fifa are adamant that politics and football should never mix. In a game where money is king, sponsors don't want the controversy.
Those who want to use the club to convey their message are adamant they won't be silenced, though.
As ever, caught in the middle are those who want to leave the world behind for 90 minutes and concentrate solely on the football”.

[gbhibby]

Thought that was quite a good summary of the situation by Chris McLaughlin at the end of the article.


Analysis box by Chris McLaughlin,
Sports news correspondent

“To many football supporters, their clubs are an extension of their beliefs.
Some fans are happy to follow the football alone, but others want to be associated with an entity where their views on other matters can be shared in solidarity, in the stands, supporters' buses or in social clubs.
It has been this way since working men first aligned themselves with the colours of their local village, town, or city's football club. But the globalisation of football, along with the globalisation of the media, has made that concept ever more difficult and sometimes extremely delicate.
Celtic Football Club has always prided itself on being open to all but as an organisation founded in the late 19th Century to help feed the poor, its core ethos has, understandably, been viewed as one aimed towards social justice and equality.
So how do fans, keen to share and promote those beliefs, express them in a world where politics and world events are so polarised and football authorities want nothing to do with any of it?
This is the backdrop to the ongoing dispute between the club and a section of its support who are determined to show support for Palestine. Celtic have already been fined on two separate occasions after some fans displayed Palestinian flags during Champions League matches.
The club has recently distanced itself from banners displayed by a section of its support, following the attacks by Hamas in Israel and both Uefa and Fifa are adamant that politics and football should never mix. In a game where money is king, sponsors don't want the controversy.
Those who want to use the club to convey their message are adamant they won't be silenced, though.
As ever, caught in the middle are those who want to leave the world behind for 90 minutes and concentrate solely on the football”.

Rangers fans display Israeli flags and Confederate flags the Confederate flag is a symbol of white supremacists. So Uefa have to be consistent in their sanctions.

[Steven79]

Thought that was quite a good summary of the situation by Chris McLaughlin at the end of the article.


Analysis box by Chris McLaughlin,
Sports news correspondent

“To many football supporters, their clubs are an extension of their beliefs.
Some fans are happy to follow the football alone, but others want to be associated with an entity where their views on other matters can be shared in solidarity, in the stands, supporters' buses or in social clubs.
It has been this way since working men first aligned themselves with the colours of their local village, town, or city's football club. But the globalisation of football, along with the globalisation of the media, has made that concept ever more difficult and sometimes extremely delicate.
Celtic Football Club has always prided itself on being open to all but as an organisation founded in the late 19th Century to help feed the poor, its core ethos has, understandably, been viewed as one aimed towards social justice and equality.
So how do fans, keen to share and promote those beliefs, express them in a world where politics and world events are so polarised and football authorities want nothing to do with any of it?
This is the backdrop to the ongoing dispute between the club and a section of its support who are determined to show support for Palestine. Celtic have already been fined on two separate occasions after some fans displayed Palestinian flags during Champions League matches.
The club has recently distanced itself from banners displayed by a section of its support, following the attacks by Hamas in Israel and both Uefa and Fifa are adamant that politics and football should never mix. In a game where money is king, sponsors don't want the controversy.
Those who want to use the club to convey their message are adamant they won't be silenced, though.
As ever, caught in the middle are those who want to leave the world behind for 90 minutes and concentrate solely on the football”.
If they were showing support for isreal would Celtic get fined?

I think we all know the answer...

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[He's here!]

I agree with your comments.
Support of Palestine appears to ruffle the feathers of those at UEFA,who of course show their allegiance allowing Israeli club sides to compete in European competitions.
Flags of many nations can be seen at grounds throughout the UK on any given weekend.
Supporting players and causes.
Kyiv but not Gaza, it seems from UEFA.

Also disgusted at the stickers, as well as being disgusted at the bigoted sectarian filth we endure when those sevco hordes come to The Holy Ground.

I think it's more contentious than that. For example, anyone bringing an Israel flag along tonight to support Liel Abada (who must find the hostility towards his country from a section of his own club's fans unsettling) would be unlikely to be respected.

I can understand why Celtic feel war in the Middle East has no place at a football match.

[He's here!]

Thought that was quite a good summary of the situation by Chris McLaughlin at the end of the article.


Analysis box by Chris McLaughlin,
Sports news correspondent

“To many football supporters, their clubs are an extension of their beliefs.
Some fans are happy to follow the football alone, but others want to be associated with an entity where their views on other matters can be shared in solidarity, in the stands, supporters' buses or in social clubs.
It has been this way since working men first aligned themselves with the colours of their local village, town, or city's football club. But the globalisation of football, along with the globalisation of the media, has made that concept ever more difficult and sometimes extremely delicate.
Celtic Football Club has always prided itself on being open to all but as an organisation founded in the late 19th Century to help feed the poor, its core ethos has, understandably, been viewed as one aimed towards social justice and equality.
So how do fans, keen to share and promote those beliefs, express them in a world where politics and world events are so polarised and football authorities want nothing to do with any of it?
This is the backdrop to the ongoing dispute between the club and a section of its support who are determined to show support for Palestine. Celtic have already been fined on two separate occasions after some fans displayed Palestinian flags during Champions League matches.
The club has recently distanced itself from banners displayed by a section of its support, following the attacks by Hamas in Israel and both Uefa and Fifa are adamant that politics and football should never mix. In a game where money is king, sponsors don't want the controversy.
Those who want to use the club to convey their message are adamant they won't be silenced, though.
As ever, caught in the middle are those who want to leave the world behind for 90 minutes and concentrate solely on the football”.


That last paragraph could apply to Celtic and Rangers at all times. The non-football baggage many of their fans bring to matches is why I would find it impossible to support either club.

[Norrieg]

That happened to us - ended up trying to find a spare seat in a nearly full stand. Got aggro from other Hibs fans who had just happened to have gone for a piss or a pie, and ended up in seats that were almost entirely restricted view.

A miserable experience. And it's happened more than once, and aye, going to see Hibs away is a total chore and having wasted a lot of good money to not see the football, am disappointed in the club for not doing enough to tackle a recurring problem. To see them bending over backwards and moving ST holders out of the FF lower sticks in the throat somewhat.

The reason I stopped going to away games and I've been a Hibby 68 years. An extremely intimidating experience.

[Mcbizz1998]

I agree with your comments.
Support of Palestine appears to ruffle the feathers of those at UEFA,who of course show their allegiance allowing Israeli club sides to compete in European competitions.
Flags of many nations can be seen at grounds throughout the UK on any given weekend.
Supporting players and causes.
Kyiv but not Gaza, it seems from UEFA.

Also disgusted at the stickers, as well as being disgusted at the bigoted sectarian filth we endure when those sevco hordes come to The Holy Ground.

Celtic fans supporting terrorists, shocker!

[Mick O'Rourke]

Celtic fans supporting terrorists, shocker!

Could you point me to where i mention Celtic fans and terrorists ? ��


Support for the Palestinian cause and their case for a homeland is not a terrorist act,by the way.

But i suspect you know that anyway.
Well i hope so !

[Northernhibee]

The reason I stopped going to away games and I've been a Hibby 68 years. An extremely intimidating experience.

I’m genuinely angry that the club have, in my opinion, let you down.

[Ringothedog]

Celtic fans supporting terrorists, shocker!

Out of interest as I am unclear on this, when did showing or waving a Palestinian flag become “supporting terrorists’?

[Alfred E Newman]

Thought that was quite a good summary of the situation by Chris McLaughlin at the end of the article.


Analysis box by Chris McLaughlin,
Sports news correspondent

“To many football supporters, their clubs are an extension of their beliefs.
Some fans are happy to follow the football alone, but others want to be associated with an entity where their views on other matters can be shared in solidarity, in the stands, supporters' buses or in social clubs.
It has been this way since working men first aligned themselves with the colours of their local village, town, or city's football club. But the globalisation of football, along with the globalisation of the media, has made that concept ever more difficult and sometimes extremely delicate.
Celtic Football Club has always prided itself on being open to all but as an organisation founded in the late 19th Century to help feed the poor, its core ethos has, understandably, been viewed as one aimed towards social justice and equality.
So how do fans, keen to share and promote those beliefs, express them in a world where politics and world events are so polarised and football authorities want nothing to do with any of it?
This is the backdrop to the ongoing dispute between the club and a section of its support who are determined to show support for Palestine. Celtic have already been fined on two separate occasions after some fans displayed Palestinian flags during Champions League matches.
The club has recently distanced itself from banners displayed by a section of its support, following the attacks by Hamas in Israel and both Uefa and Fifa are adamant that politics and football should never mix. In a game where money is king, sponsors don't want the controversy.
Those who want to use the club to convey their message are adamant they won't be silenced, though.
As ever, caught in the middle are those who want to leave the world behind for 90 minutes and concentrate solely on the football”.


The last paragraph certainly applies to me. When it gets to the stage that you have to hold certain political views to qualify as a Hibs supporter then I'm out.

[Ringothedog]

Could you point me to where i mention Celtic fans and terrorists ? ��


Support for the Palestinian cause and their case for a homeland is not a terrorist act,by the way.

But i suspect you know that anyway.
Well i hope so !

Exactly, support for the Palestinian cause is not supporting terrorism

[LewysGot2]

Had the same at Tynecastle for the JDH game. I always like to be in early (probably at my seat 20-30 minutes before KO for home games) I had a ticket for i think the the second row behind the goals. This would have been pre B7 Im guessing but it got mobbed just before KO and was 3 deep in each row immediately behind the goal.
I think this is what rangers fans do when we complain about extra fans getting in. Its their "yoof" ignoring where they are supposed to be sitting and congregating with thier ultra pals in one area overcrowding it. A worrying trend IMO.

It's almost as if they've absolutely no concept of the horrors of Hillsborough or Ibrox or Heysel or Bradford. 👀

There's a reason for all seated arenas based on tragedy and deaths in football stadiums. At Killie away they overcrowded the area to the left of the stand and began bouncing so hard the stand was really taking a pounding in a manner it was not meant to. Thankfully the give built into these structures stop them collapsing but it felt very unsafe. The B7/no hingers on crew thought it hilarious as if on some fairground ride. Not so funny for everyone else...

[Mick O'Rourke]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-67215217

I'd be well hacked off if a group of Hibs fans acted this way even though they knew it guaranteed a fine for the club. I guess the Green Brigade know Celtic can afford to pay the fines.

Just my opinion.
i suspect Celtic are more concerned with a more serious sanction than a monetary fine.
Could be UEFA have indicated that in the past .
An organisation a close second behind FIFA in the corrupt stakes .

[Mick O'Rourke]

The reason I stopped going to away games and I've been a Hibby 68 years. An extremely intimidating experience.

Changed days, eh Norrie.
When you and i were laddies we looked after the older yins at away games .
They need put in line somehow.,if the club don't act .

[Blaster]

The last paragraph certainly applies to me. When it gets to the stage that you have to hold certain political views to qualify as a Hibs supporter then I'm out.

Applies to me too.

[Golden Bear]

The last paragraph certainly applies to me. When it gets to the stage that you have to hold certain political views to qualify as a Hibs supporter then I'm out.

And me.

[Mick O'Rourke]

The last paragraph certainly applies to me. When it gets to the stage that you have to hold certain political views to qualify as a Hibs supporter then I'm out.

I must confess I voted at 3 general elections for an MP who was a jambo !!!
Leith's own Ron Brown :greengrin

[Bostonhibby]

I must confess I voted at 3 general elections for an MP who was a jambo !!!
Leith's own Ron Brown :greengrinAye Mick, but there was a time when being a socialist transcended everything else. Even that, apparently a leith Jambo, and a good man.

I'll wash my mouth out with carbolic.

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[Mick O'Rourke]

Aye Mick, but there was a time when being a socialist transcended everything else. Even that, apparently a leith Jambo, and a good man.

I'll wash my mouth out with carbolic.

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I knew Ron well.
I was actually on his campaign team working along side his election agent who was also named Ron !
I lived in Granton for two of those elections.
I had moved back to Clerry in 1986 but was still on the old electoral register.
So Ron got another vote :greengrin

As Ron use to say over the car tannoy.
Vote Labour ,Vote Often !!
For all his faults,and he had a few !! Ron was a real good and generous man .
He lived opposite Speirs Bar back then,Ferry Road/Inverleith Row.
Had a few in there with the Bold Ron !!

[Bostonhibby]

I knew Ron well.
I was actually on his campaign team working along side his election agent who was also named Ron !
I lived in Granton for two of those elections.
I had moved back to Clerry in 1986 but was still on the old electoral register.
So Ron got another vote :greengrin

As Ron use to say on the car tannoy.
Vote Labour ,Vote Often !!
For all his faults,and he had a few !! Ron was a real good and generous man .Nae argument here, in laws were all from that end, all hibbies and all voted for him because he was, overall, a good man.

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[He's here!]

I must confess I voted at 3 general elections for an MP who was a jambo !!!
Leith's own Ron Brown :greengrin

I always thought he was a Rangers fan for some reason.

[He's here!]

Could you point me to where i mention Celtic fans and terrorists ? ��


Support for the Palestinian cause and their case for a homeland is not a terrorist act,by the way.

But i suspect you know that anyway.
Well i hope so !

I think the difficulty there when it comes to Celtic is that the long-standing and very vocal support for the IRA among a significant section of their support makes it understandable if some onlookers equate their backing of Palestine with support for Hamas.

[Mick O'Rourke]

I think the difficulty there when it comes to Celtic is that the long-standing and very vocal support for the IRA among a significant section of their support makes it understandable if some onlookers equate their backing of Palestine with support for Hamas.

I get your point on the Ireland support. I think most Celts just shrug their shoulders now at the "Ould Songs"
But it would be a stretch to even comprehend they (Green Brigade) would have any support for Hamas
I dont sense anti-semitism in that they support the Palestinian cause.
They have did so for years before this terrible war.

[30 yards away]

rangers in their thousands sing and laugh about the tattie famine not saying its right what our support done,just saying

[Brooster]

Can't be bothered with this thread now that the subject matter has changed.

[Mick O'Rourke]

I always thought he was a Rangers fan for some reason.

He didn't attend games unless it was an invite.:greengrin
He liked the Hibs too and went to ER.
But on a Saturday he could be found chewing the fat at the fit o the walk.
Just when he was a boy in Pilton his pals were jambos
He once got complimentary tickets for Scotland v East Germany 1982.
I went along with him .We won 2-0

If you knew Ron. He would never have supported oldco or sevco !!

[Mcbizz1998]

Out of interest as I am unclear on this, when did showing or waving a Palestinian flag become “supporting terrorists’?

I didn’t say it did. 2 weeks ago, days after the terrorist attack, Celtic fans had a banner showing support for ‘the resistance’. Who do we think they might have been referring to and supporting? I know who my money is on.

[southern hibby]

Read the statement from Block 7.

They claim they had nothing to do with the graffiti or stickers. However I didn’t read anything about not taking part in any songs sung about the disaster/dead.

This is not saying they did sing any songs, just stating an observation.


GGTTH

[WeeRussell]

I didn’t say it did. 2 weeks ago, days after the terrorist attack, Celtic fans had a banner showing support for ‘the resistance’. Who do we think they might have been referring to and supporting? I know who my money is on.

I have to say the same thing was going through my head. I think the truth is the vast majority of them won’t really have much of an idea who or what they’re supporting.

The idea of ‘taking sides’ in this series of atrocities, with thousands of completely innocent humans the pawns stuck in the middle of it all, doesn’t sit easy with me.

[He's here!]

I didn’t say it did. 2 weeks ago, days after the terrorist attack, Celtic fans had a banner showing support for ‘the resistance’. Who do we think they might have been referring to and supporting? I know who my money is on.

Indeed. That struck me at the time as being more than just about supporting Palestine. They're an odd lot.

[Garymcl]

Totally agree with Brooster let’s move on the club have dealt with it been banned quite right let’s not give that horrible club anymore stuff to bash us with oh the irony from them glasshouses indeed rant over more important threads should be given more discussion like let’s get the rest of the semi final tickets sold so we can cheer our team to a final :thumbsup:

[Donegal Hibby]

I’m not defending the actions of Saturday, even regarding that horrible club there is a line that shouldn’t be crossed. However a lifetime ban for it seems a bit OTT imo. Especially when that same club thinks there is nothing wrong with belting out a song about being up to their knees in Fenian blood at every game and zero action is taken.

Hopefully we’ll hear from our club about that the next time they visit ER. I somehow doubt it though…

I somehow doubt it too after hearing this about Ibrox and Hun fans ! Any idea who said it btw ?

( Agh look you come here , the fans are are are top fans here and they create a great atmosphere ! )

[DH1875]

Word to the wise. Glasgow courts have ruled that the word Hun is sectarian. Celtic fan got done for using it recently and was charged with breach of the peace and religious prejudice for using it. He got £500 fine and a football banning order. Interestingly he appealed the ruling arguing against the religious prejudice part only for the appeal court to also rule the term Hun as sectarian so he lost the appeal.

[Steven79]

Word to the wise. Glasgow courts have ruled that the word Hun is sectarian. Celtic fan got done for using it recently and was charged with breach of the peace and religious prejudice for using it. He got £500 fine and a football banning order. Interestingly he appealed the ruling arguing against the religious prejudice part only for the appeal court to also rule the term Hun as sectarian so he lost the appeal.

I'm sure any decent lawyer would got that thrown out of court as it clearly refers to their behavior and nothing to do with religion.

"


a member of a nomadic and warlike Asian people who devastated or controlled large parts of eastern and central Europe and who exercised their greatest power under Attila in the 5th century a.d.



(often lowercase) a barbarous, destructive person; vandal."

[DH1875]

I'm sure any decent lawyer would got that thrown out of court as it clearly refers to their behavior and nothing to do with religion.

"


a member of a nomadic and warlike Asian people who devastated or controlled large parts of eastern and central Europe and who exercised their greatest power under Attila in the 5th century a.d.



(often lowercase) a barbarous, destructive person; vandal."




I think that was his case. Didn't contest the breach of the peace but contested the religious aggravation part. Like I said, interesting part is he appealed it and still lost.

[MWHIBBIES]

Word to the wise. Glasgow courts have ruled that the word Hun is sectarian. Celtic fan got done for using it recently and was charged with breach of the peace and religious prejudice for using it. He got £500 fine and a football banning order. Interestingly he appealed the ruling arguing against the religious prejudice part only for the appeal court to also rule the term Hun as sectarian so he lost the appeal.

Sounds like the judge was a hun.

[Hibrandenburg]

Word to the wise. Glasgow courts have ruled that the word Hun is sectarian. Celtic fan got done for using it recently and was charged with breach of the peace and religious prejudice for using it. He got £500 fine and a football banning order. Interestingly he appealed the ruling arguing against the religious prejudice part only for the appeal court to also rule the term Hun as sectarian so he lost the appeal.

Do you have a link for this please?

[Bridge hibs]

Do you have a link for this please?

Think this is it mate, sorry its a Sun link

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/11347747/rangers-fans-huns-celtic-judge-sectarian/amp/

[DH1875]

Do you have a link for this please?

I'll PM you the guys name and you can Google it. Only recent so plenty info out there.

[DH1875]

The case is on the judiciary of Scotland website.

[Mick O'Rourke]

Do you have a link for this please?

I disagree with the Judges/Sheriffs who deem the word hun as sectarian and is aimed specifically as a slur to those of the Protestant faith .

To me it has always been used in reference to rangers fans,not a faith.
When Celtic fans (and us) back in the day sang "Go home ya huns" it certainly in my view was not attacking Protestants.
Many thousand of Celtic fans are non Catholic !

Article on that appeal /judgement

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2023/10/09/news/scottish_judges_uphold_conviction_that_football_fa n_s_hun_insult_was_sectarian-3682467/

The term Hun was used in Britain during the WW2 against Irish nationals implying Irish neutrality as support for Germany.

https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/article/ireland-in-world-war-ii-the-swastika-vs-the-shamrock/#:~:text=The%20Irish%20would%20remain%20neutral,pl anes%20in%201940%20and%201941.

[Lendo]

Surely it stands to reason that Tim is also a sectarian slur then.

[PHeffernan]

I'm sure any decent lawyer would got that thrown out of court as it clearly refers to their behavior and nothing to do with religion.

"


a member of a nomadic and warlike Asian people who devastated or controlled large parts of eastern and central Europe and who exercised their greatest power under Attila in the 5th century a.d.
(often lowercase) a barbarous, destructive person; vandal."



That definition would make our fans huns given they broke scores of seats at Fir Park, sinks at Tynecastle, vandalised seats at Ibrox and even burnt our own expensive pitch.

[Since452]

When i call them huns there's no part of me that thinks about religion. Couldn't care less about religion to be honest and it doesn't come in to my mind at all. I just see hun as a derogatory name for people associated with Rangers, and only that. Anyway, just to be clear, **** the huns.

[Mick O'Rourke]

Surely it stands to reason that Tim is also a sectarian slur then.

rangers fans up in arms at the hun word.
Yet a look on their fans forums ,you will see many references to tarriers and taigs,
Both sectarian/ derogatary terms for Roman Catholics.

[weecounty hibby]

I think the first time they were called Huns was by an English journalist in a newspaper after they had trashed yet another city they visited. One of the Birmingham clubs I think. Nil by Mouth caused that garbage to go forward as some huns complained that calling huns huns was sectarian. Total bull****. Notionally and by family I would be protestant I am in no way a hun or could ever be called one

[Frazerbob]

Lorenzo Amaroso is Roman Catholic yet he's a Hun. Case closed!

[Steven79]

Lorenzo Amaroso is Roman Catholic yet he's a Hun. Case closed!

Clearly he's a Catholic Hun! :confused:

[Broken Gnome]

Huns fits them perfectly. Nowt to do with religion for me and I'd guess many others - it wins as the classic term to refer to them by as Neanderthals has too many syllables for general use.

Celtic fans could never be Huns - again, nothing to do with religion, but they just don't look as rabid and bearish as your average Rangers fan does. More like wee nyaffs than anything else.

[matty_f]

rangers fans up in arms at the hun word.
Yet a look on their fans forums ,you will see many references to tarriers and taigs,
Both sectarian/ derogatary terms for Roman Catholics.

The reason they are determined to see "Hun" considered a sectarian term is so that they have some equivalence to the words they use. That's it. It's just about whataboutery.

I completely disagree with the court's finding and the cynic in me makes me think that, as is prevalent throughout Scotland, someone in a position of power who is linked more closely to one side of the argument to the other has made the decision.

[Hibrandenburg]

I'll PM you the guys name and you can Google it. Only recent so plenty info out there.

Thanks DH, looks like the decision was influenced by the expletive that followed hun and the aggressiveness of the verbal attack. Shouting "you're a hun ****" in a policeman's face is probably on a different level to just describing Rangers fans as huns and not the cleverest thing to do.

[DIXIHIBS]

I think the first time they were called Huns was by an English journalist in a newspaper after they had trashed yet another city they visited. One of the Birmingham clubs I think. Nil by Mouth caused that garbage to go forward as some huns complained that calling huns huns was sectarian. Total bull****. Notionally and by family I would be protestant I am in no way a hun or could ever be called one

A hibby hun:rolleyes:

[gbhibby]

Reminded of the old joke
Celtic fan returns home after Celtic beat Rangers to his Rangers supporting wife an asks
Are you OK Hun, Hun.

[WeeRussell]

The reason they are determined to see "Hun" considered a sectarian term is so that they have some equivalence to the words they use. That's it. It's just about whataboutery.

I completely disagree with the court's finding and the cynic in me makes me think that, as is prevalent throughout Scotland, someone in a position of power who is linked more closely to one side of the argument to the other has made the decision.

Exactly this.

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

The reason they are determined to see "Hun" considered a sectarian term is so that they have some equivalence to the words they use. That's it. It's just about whataboutery.

I completely disagree with the court's finding and the cynic in me makes me think that, as is prevalent throughout Scotland, someone in a position of power who is linked more closely to one side of the argument to the other has made the decision. Probably a Hun judge. What’s next, vandals taking people to court for sectarian abuse?

[H18 SFR]

Been away for a couple of days. I take it block 7 have apologised?

[Danderhall Hibs]

The reason they are determined to see "Hun" considered a sectarian term is so that they have some equivalence to the words they use. That's it. It's just about whataboutery.

I completely disagree with the court's finding and the cynic in me makes me think that, as is prevalent throughout Scotland, someone in a position of power who is linked more closely to one side of the argument to the other has made the decision.

Yeah - despite their whataboutery claims to anyone challenging them this week they love a bit of it themselves.

I noticed they wanted folk to name the songs of religious hatred and bigotry, presumably they’ve had the usual ones about blood and knees removed from the hatred list by the same judge?

[Eyrie]

Yeah - despite their whataboutery claims to anyone challenging them this week they love a bit of it themselves.

I noticed they wanted folk to name the songs of religious hatred and bigotry, presumably they’ve had the usual ones about blood and knees removed from the hatred list by the same judge?

I'm sure those songs are a political statement and therefore something fans believe is appropriate for a football game.

[MrSmith]

Going by that ruling then, each and every time the huns visit an away ground , a few thousand of them should be done with breach of the peace and sectarian abuse!

[Viva_Palmeiras]

The reason they are determined to see "Hun" considered a sectarian term is so that they have some equivalence to the words they use. That's it. It's just about whataboutery.

I completely disagree with the court's finding and the cynic in me makes me think that, as is prevalent throughout Scotland, someone in a position of power who is linked more closely to one side of the argument to the other has made the decision.

For the latest on in the legal debate involving a Hibby’s use of the term “Hun c£&@!” … courtesy of a Jambo mate. It’s interesting that out of the two words the one that’s taken offence at is… read on….

https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/docs/default-source/cos-general-docs/pdf-docs-for-opinions/2023saccrim7.pdf?sfvrsn=b16b1bd2_1

the mind boggles….

[Carheenlea]

Pretty sure “Off the Ball” got a rap on the knuckles for using the term Hun to describe Rangers and the word was never used again. That was a good few years ago now too.

A nonsense legal ruling which many will laugh off, but the danger is that any of us could end up in trouble for using the term.

As a result of this, through time I wouldn’t be surprised if the term does become accepted as a genuine sectarian slur, and like previous generations before us we’ll be the ones embarrassing our kids and getting told you can’t say such things any more.

[JJP]

Previously I would have agreed that a “Hun” was a derogatory term for a Rangers supporter and not a Protestant, however, my wife told me that years ago she dated a guy from Northern Ireland who was a Catholic and when he took her over there to visit family and friends she was regularly referred to as a “Hun.” They weren’t calling her that to describe her as a Rangers supporter as I can assure you she has no interest in football. The word might not be intended as a sectarian term when you use it but words can mean different things to different people based on their backgrounds. Personally, I stay away from using it now.

[Lancs Harp]

Threads changed direction some.

[McHibby]

For the latest on in the legal debate involving a Hibby’s use of the term “Hun c£&@!” … courtesy of a Jambo mate. It’s interesting that out of the two words the one that’s taken offence at is… read on….

https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/docs/default-source/cos-general-docs/pdf-docs-for-opinions/2023saccrim7.pdf?sfvrsn=b16b1bd2_1

the mind boggles….

Wow, that's quite some leap of reasoning. The sheriff was "entitled to infer" it was a sectarian slur and it was "reasonable for the sheriff to make the findings".

That more like the type of test applied to civil cases (on the balance of probabilities) not a criminal case (beyond all reasonable doubt).

[Pagan Hibernia]

Previously I would have agreed that a “Hun” was a derogatory term for a Rangers supporter and not a Protestant, however, my wife told me that years ago she dated a guy from Northern Ireland who was a Catholic and when he took her over there to visit family and friends she was regularly referred to as a “Hun.” They weren’t calling her that to describe her as a Rangers supporter as I can assure you she has no interest in football. The word might not be intended as a sectarian term when you use it but words can mean different things to different people based on their backgrounds. Personally, I stay away from using it now.

Correct. In Belfast it is absolutely a derogatory term for a protestant. No doubt they took the original term for Rangers fans and then just extended it to the entire community.

I'm still happy to use it on here for its original purpose, but I'd never use it in conversation with anyone from Northern ireland

[gbhibby]

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-rangers-violence-hooligans-7899872
Marauding Huns

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[Pagan Hibernia]

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-rangers-violence-hooligans-7899872
Marauding Huns

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Is there a town or city they haven't disfigured?

I was living in Manchester in '08 when they trashed it at the uefa cup final. That city absolutely stunk of pish the next morning.

[JOD]

Huns were the tribe from the Stepps in Russia who threatened the Western Roman Empire led by Attila.
They were considered barbaric by Christianity. Hence Huns.
You all make your mind up if Sevco fans fit that description.

[Forza Fred]

Can remember singing ‘The Huns are going home’ to various clubs’ supporters in the late 60’s as they left Easter Road earlyish after it was obvious they were headed for defeat.

Not just Rangers fans, but anyone.

[erin go bragh]

I think the first time they were called Huns was by an English journalist in a newspaper after they had trashed yet another city they visited. One of the Birmingham clubs I think. Nil by Mouth caused that garbage to go forward as some huns complained that calling huns huns was sectarian. Total bull****. Notionally and by family I would be protestant I am in no way a hun or could ever be called one
Wolves in 1974
"The marauding Huns was the quote in the paper. Horrible bigot infested support but our fans shouldn't lower to their **** level.

[Keith_M]

Previously I would have agreed that a “Hun” was a derogatory term for a Rangers supporter and not a Protestant, however, my wife told me that years ago she dated a guy from Northern Ireland who was a Catholic and when he took her over there to visit family and friends she was regularly referred to as a “Hun.” They weren’t calling her that to describe her as a Rangers supporter as I can assure you she has no interest in football. The word might not be intended as a sectarian term when you use it but words can mean different things to different people based on their backgrounds. Personally, I stay away from using it now.


Fair enough, if I'm ever in Northern Ireland, I won't use the term 'Hun'. I'll just use it everywhere else.

It's a bit like the difference between the UK and US if somebody was to say "I need a fag".

[May21/05/216]

The folk that mocked deaths of of football fans are bang out of order and I hope they're identified and banned

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[Skol]

Can remember singing ‘The Huns are going home’ to various clubs’ supporters in the late 60’s as they left Easter Road earlyish after it was obvious they were headed for defeat.

Not just Rangers fans, but anyone.

I recall hearring it first against Czechoslovakia at Hamden which on checking was 1977. However for as long as i remember it’s what rangers were called, a bit like hearts were jam tarts. Nothing sectarian about it IMO

[The Green Sea]

Wow. As a Protestant, and a my family history of being very much strong Protestants, I would never refer to my family members as Huns unless they supported Rangers. Having started supporting Hibs in the 80’s I’ve never known the Gers as anything else other than Huns. As a Protestant I’m not a Hun as a don’t support Rangers.

As for the original thread, I have a few friends who are Huns and I find it sad that Hibs fan would be glorifying the death of football fans in a tragedy like this. Just normal fans rocking up for a game and dying following a disaster. Pretty sad really.

[gbhibby]

Does that mean you can't call your loved ones h*n now.

[Keith_M]

Does that mean you can't call your loved ones h*n now.


My wife's German, so surely I can at least call her that.

[WeeRussell]

Does that mean you can't call your loved ones h*n now.

Everything else I call my wife has already been filtered on here too. Getting bloody annoying.

[Keith_M]

Everything else I call my wife has already been filtered on here too. Getting bloody annoying.



:greengrin