Joe Newell

[CapitalGreen]

Seriously how bad must Amos be if he can’t even get on the bench

He was hardly given a chance yet Campbell has been given multiple chances this season despite doing absolutely nothing to deserve them. It’s obvious that for some players different standards exist and they’ll always get game time regardless of how badly they play.

[Tyler Durden]

He was hardly given a chance yet Campbell has been given multiple chances this season despite doing absolutely nothing to deserve them. It’s obvious that for some players different standards exist and they’ll always get game time regardless of how badly they play.

For this reason I really can’t sympathise much with Gray. He’s failed to set any standards all season.

Obita throws the game at Killie, there is no consequence. Bursic week after week and he keeps starting him.

Campbell out for a few weeks and then back in last night.

Newell - where to begin.

Gray had the chance to make his mark. His judgment has been all over the shop.

[Paulie Walnuts]

For this reason I really can’t sympathise much with Gray. He’s failed to set any standards all season.

Obita throws the game at Killie, there is no consequence. Bursic week after week and he keeps starting him.

Campbell out for a few weeks and then back in last night.

Newell - where to begin.

Gray had the chance to make his mark. His judgment has been all over the shop.

:agree:

I had sympathy for Gray. I was aware it was probably misplaced, but if anyone is deserving of some misplaced loyalty/sympathy, it’s him.

I’m fed up of it now though. He’s making a total mess of everything.

[PH91]

I might be wrong here but not long ago Joe Newell was receiving huge praise all of a sudden the fans have turned on him. Is his time at hibs pretty much over? The fans seem done with him but the same can be said about every single player in the team.

That's because Newell has shown he can be decent player in a good Hibs team before. Since the season we finished 3rd, not only have the top players e.g. porteous, doig, been replaced with poor ones, but the average players e.g. mcginn, gogic have been too. If we had recruited properly, Newell would be a squad player by now, but the absolutely abysmal recruitment has left us in a position where he is one of the better players in a truly terrible team and one of only a few options to be captain.

I think he has been fairly consistent over the last few years but largely p*sh this season, along with everyone else. Him being captain is drawing more criticism his way and people calling for him to be dropped, which is fair enough. I don't think he is a "coward" who deliberately hides in games, though.

[flash]

Newell looks like he is playing with an injury to me.

He has always been inconsistent but lately he is just consistently poor.

Alternatively maybe the captaincy is weighing him down.

[J-C]

Seriously how bad must Amos be if he can’t even get on the bench

Seemingly been told by Gray that he wouldn't be considered as Gray wanted his own players, probably the same with NMW, bizarre situation considering how bad this team is.

[Tambo]

My thoughts are he's been fairly consistent the past few seasons and one of our better players.

This season he has been abysmal and way below standards required.

[The Tubs]

Newell looks like he is playing with an injury to me.

He has always been inconsistent but lately he is just consistently poor.

Alternatively maybe the captaincy is weighing him down.

He's just had a break to fix an injury so it would be unlucky to have picked up another. He's just not up to it.

[J-C]

Where’s his biggest supporter MWHIBEES?

Been emptied by the looks of it, left by mutual consent.

[flash]

He's just had a break to fix an injury so it would be unlucky to have picked up another. He's just not up to it.

Maybe hasn't fully recovered from that then.

I am just trying to work out why he has regressed so badly this season.

[B.H.F.C]

For this reason I really can’t sympathise much with Gray. He’s failed to set any standards all season.

Obita throws the game at Killie, there is no consequence. Bursic week after week and he keeps starting him.

Campbell out for a few weeks and then back in last night.

Newell - where to begin.

Gray had the chance to make his mark. His judgment has been all over the shop.

Totally agree with this.

If there was one thing I thought Gray would do, it was get the players motivated and working hard. He has failed so miserably by trusting the same players that he has seen, first hand, let down multiple managers. It’s ridiculous.

[Tyler Durden]

Totally agree with this.

If there was one thing I thought Gray would do, it was get the players motivated and working hard. He has failed so miserably by trusting the same players that he has seen, first hand, let down multiple managers. It’s ridiculous.

Yeah he’s got himself in this situation where yesterday it’s like a “pick an 11 that I trust to work hard and do the basics”

And somehow the players that he trusts are Bursic, Rocky, Campbell, Newell, Youan, Triantis

[Donegal Hibby]

Unfortunately doesn’t inspire much confidence….
https://youtu.be/EbDx9ws4Tj4?si=JJuLRnBLC5EPEzZi

[CapitalGreen]

Yeah he’s got himself in this situation where yesterday it’s like a “pick an 11 that I trust to work hard and do the basics”

And somehow the players that he trusts are Bursic, Rocky, Campbell, Newell, Youan, Triantis

+ Chris Cadden

[easty]

Unfortunately doesn’t inspire much confidence….
https://youtu.be/EbDx9ws4Tj4?si=JJuLRnBLC5EPEzZi

I’m never sure what people expect from this kind of interview.

Regardless of what he says or how he says it, it’s going to be taken badly by fans.

If he avoids the interview altogether he gets slated for that too.

[The Modfather]

I’m never sure what people expect from this kind of interview.

Regardless of what he says or how he says it, it’s going to be taken badly by fans.

If he avoids the interview altogether he gets slated for that too.

Show some leadership and start calling out some home truths. If we’re poorly coached (which we evidently are) call that out. If players aren’t pulling their weight, call that out etc etc. he was lauded for leading a players meeting after the St Mirren defeat last season. Yet here we are again and him once more integral to it all.

The issue with the above and our captain and longest serving player is that to point fingers shines a light on his own performances and role. Instead, easier to throw out the bland platitudes about being embarrassed, working hard etc etc

[Donegal Hibby]

I’m never sure what people expect from this kind of interview.

Regardless of what he says or how he says it, it’s going to be taken badly by fans.

If he avoids the interview altogether he gets slated for that too.

Not having a go he just sounds broken in fairness and I would expect him as captain not to avoid interviews in difficult circumstances … what I mean by it doesn’t inspire confidence is he says we have to go again while saying it’s like Groundhog Day . I would / am expecting our more experienced players to step up though they are probably the ones letting us down the most at the minute.

[CapitalGreen]

Newell only completed 9 passes (12 attempted) during his 80 minutes on the pitch last night.

For someone who is meant to be our main playmaker those are horrendous numbers. Thankfully, the decision whether to start him on Tuesday night has been taken out of SDG’s hands.

[B.H.F.C]

Newell only completed 9 passes (12 attempted) during his 80 minutes on the pitch last night.

For someone who is meant to be our main playmaker those are horrendous numbers. Thankfully, the decision whether to start him on Tuesday night has been taken out of SDG’s hands.

Suspended after booking last night?

[JimBHibees]

Newell only completed 9 passes (12 attempted) during his 80 minutes on the pitch last night.

For someone who is meant to be our main playmaker those are horrendous numbers. Thankfully, the decision whether to start him on Tuesday night has been taken out of SDG’s hands.

Booking suspension doesn’t apply immediately used to be 14 days now think 7. Might be wrong

[silverhibee]

Suspended after booking last night?

Yip

[CapitalGreen]

Booking suspension doesn’t apply immediately used to be 14 days now think 7. Might be wrong

Good opportunity to see if Gray will drop him then.

For comparison to Newell’s measly 9 passes, Levitt completed 11 after replacing him for the final 10 minutes.

[BoomtownHibees]

Good opportunity to see if Gray will drop him then.

For comparison to Newell’s measly 9 passes, Levitt completed 11 after replacing him for the final 10 minutes.

Folk will still want to tell us he’s the least of our issues

[Unseen work]

Yip

Gray says he’s not as it isn’t processed as quick with it being a midweek game

[Pretty Boy]

Newell only completed 9 passes (12 attempted) during his 80 minutes on the pitch last night.

For someone who is meant to be our main playmaker those are horrendous numbers. Thankfully, the decision whether to start him on Tuesday night has been taken out of SDG’s hands.

Whilst accepting it was 2 teams in very different situations Lyall Cameron completed 60 passes for Dundee in the game. Even the much maligned Rocky completed more passes for us that Joe attempted.

[Unseen work]

Good opportunity to see if Gray will drop him then.

For comparison to Newell’s measly 9 passes, Levitt completed 11 after replacing him for the final 10 minutes.

That is horrendous, absolutely horrendous.

When you consider the ball probably went back to him from kick off on 5 occasions too 🤣

I’m probably one of his bigger fans but this season he has been really poor. The only game I remember thinking that’s better and he’s driving us on was the second half off the Ross county game for 15 minutes before he came off

[Heisenberg]

Newell only completed 9 passes (12 attempted) during his 80 minutes on the pitch last night.

For someone who is meant to be our main playmaker those are horrendous numbers. Thankfully, the decision whether to start him on Tuesday night has been taken out of SDG’s hands.

Hide and seek champion.

[CapitalGreen]

Whilst accepting it was 2 teams in very different situations Lyall Cameron completed 60 passes for Dundee in the game. Even the much maligned Rocky completed more passes for us that Joe attempted.

Even comparing with someone on his own team, Levitt replaced him and completed 11 out of 12 passes in the 10 minutes he played.

[GreenPJ]

Show some leadership and start calling out some home truths. If we’re poorly coached (which we evidently are) call that out. If players aren’t pulling their weight, call that out etc etc. he was lauded for leading a players meeting after the St Mirren defeat last season. Yet here we are again and him once more integral to it all.

The issue with the above and our captain and longest serving player is that to point fingers shines a light on his own performances and role. Instead, easier to throw out the bland platitudes about being embarrassed, working hard etc etc

How often have you ever heard a team captain come out and criticise the management, coaching, calling out other players for effort/decision making?

Agree he needs to look at his own performances but not for the first time I think he is being left to do it all by himself in midfield which in turn creates poor decision making from him making him less effectual in the game.

Assuming Gray is in charge for tomorrow then all he can do is give one or two youngsters a chance - at least fans (sometimes) give youngsters some more leeway for errors/performances.

[The Modfather]

That is horrendous, absolutely horrendous.

When you consider the ball probably went back to him from kick off on 5 occasions too 🤣

I’m probably one of his bigger fans but this season he has been really poor. The only game I remember thinking that’s better and he’s driving us on was the second half off the Ross county game for 15 minutes before he came off

I don’t think his performances this season, generally, are all that much different from most of his time at the club IMO. It’s only more noticeable given the new lows this team has managed to reach.

[Brooster]

He probably called a meeting with the players today to rally the troops.

Who's going to take any notice of him when he makes 9 passes in 80 minutes? The best thing he could do is ask the gaffer to take the captaincy off him.

Btw where has JDH disappeared to after his latest cameo?

[The Modfather]

How often have you ever heard a team captain come out and criticise the management, coaching, calling out other players for effort/decision making?

Agree he needs to look at his own performances but not for the first time I think he is being left to do it all by himself in midfield which in turn creates poor decision making from him making him less effectual in the game.

Assuming Gray is in charge for tomorrow then all he can do is give one or two youngsters a chance - at least fans (sometimes) give youngsters some more leeway for errors/performances.

What does that mean in reality?

[Ozyhibby]

I don’t think his performances this season, generally, are all that much different from most of his time at the club IMO. It’s only more noticeable given the new lows this team has managed to reach.

He’s been crap since the day he signed for the club. I’ll never be convinced otherwise.


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[JimBHibees]

Gray says he’s not as it isn’t processed as quick with it being a midweek game

7 days after booking which kicks in suspension i think

[Onceinawhile]

He probably called a meeting with the players today to rally the troops.

Who's going to take any notice of him when he makes 9 passes in 80 minutes? The best thing he could do is ask the gaffer to take the captaincy off him.

Btw where has JDH disappeared to after his latest cameo?

Him and NMW getting chucked on in the derby then disappearing, along with Josh Campbell being out the squad and then suddenly starting is baffling. Proper tombola line up stuff unfortunately.

[Tyler Durden]

I don’t think his performances this season, generally, are all that much different from most of his time at the club IMO. It’s only more noticeable given the new lows this team has managed to reach.

In the past you would have a lot of people, myself included, defending Newell. This season you have none of that because his performances have been awful and there is no debate. As captain, it makes things even worse.

If you look at an objective measure - his WhoScored ratings - this season his average rating is 6.36. In season 22/23 over 30 odd games, his rating was 7.02 and in 20/21 it was 7.13. His key passes average per game is massively down.

His performances this season are miles off what he produced before, it's pretty clear to see.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

I miss MWHIBBIES. Never thought I’d say that.

[Aldo]

How often have you ever heard a team captain come out and criticise the management, coaching, calling out other players for effort/decision making?

Agree he needs to look at his own performances but not for the first time I think he is being left to do it all by himself in midfield which in turn creates poor decision making from him making him less effectual in the game.

Assuming Gray is in charge for tomorrow then all he can do is give one or two youngsters a chance - at least fans (sometimes) give youngsters some more leeway for errors/performances.

Newell is the club Captain and should lead by example. 12 touches in 80 minutes tells me enough. He doesn’t want to take responsibility and does everything possible not to.

If the much criticised Levitt manages about the same in a 10 minute cameo would you say Newell is doing it all by himself??

Do you think he’s doing enough. Is he taking responsibility? Is he leading by example?

I expect a lot more from the players and even more from the Captain.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Newell is the club Captain and should lead by example. 12 touches in 80 minutes tells me enough. He doesn’t want to take responsibility and does everything possible not to.

If the much criticised Levitt manages about the same in a 10 minute cameo would you say Newell is doing it all by himself??

Do you think he’s doing enough. Is he taking responsibility? Is he leading by example?

I expect a lot more from the players and even more from the Captain.

:agree:

It’s a stretch to claim he’s doing anything by himself when his performances have been the way they are. 9 completed passes over a 90 minute game for a centre midfielder is utterly woeful.

[K-Zazu]

I miss MWHIBBIES. Never thought I’d say that.

I miss Lee Johnson.

[Coco Bryce]

I miss MWHIBBIES. Never thought I’d say that.

Just you then.

[jeffers]

I’ve always been a bit on the fence regarding Newell, when he’s at his best he is very good. Aldo always references Luzern and it’s true he was excellent that night, but we just don’t see that from him, or close, anywhere near enough.

I don’t think anyone can really argue that he’s been woeful this season. I know for the earlier games he was playing through an injury and wonder if he’s just not fully recovered from that. The fact he’s getting picked every game regardless either says DG has full trust in him, or little trust in the alternative options.

[The Modfather]

In the past you would have a lot of people, myself included, defending Newell. This season you have none of that because his performances have been awful and there is no debate. As captain, it makes things even worse.

If you look at an objective measure - his WhoScored ratings - this season his average rating is 6.36. In season 22/23 over 30 odd games, his rating was 7.02 and in 20/21 it was 7.13. His key passes average per game is massively down.

His performances this season are miles off what he produced before, it's pretty clear to see.

I genuinely don’t think there’s too much difference to this seasons Newell, the season overall not just focusing on a particularly poor game on Saturday, and most of his other seasons. Others see it differently and that’s just as valid.

As an example, I think he was this poor last season, but his monopoly on set pieces and accompanying assists were used by some to point to him having a better season last season than he actually was IMO.

[theonlywayisup]

I miss MWHIBBIES. Never thought I’d say that.

Does he/she not post anymore?

[BoomtownHibees]

I’ve always been a bit on the fence regarding Newell, when he’s at his best he is very good. Aldo always references Luzern and it’s true he was excellent that night, but we just don’t see that from him, or close, anywhere near enough.

I don’t think anyone can really argue that he’s been woeful this season. I know for the earlier games he was playing through an injury and wonder if he’s just not fully recovered from that. The fact he’s getting picked every game regardless either says DG has full trust in him, or little trust in the alternative options.

It’s mental when you ask anybody about him having a really good game, that’s the only one that ever gets brought up. His good games are very few and far between. He hasn’t got much worse this season, he’s pretty much always been the way he is

[jeffers]

It’s mental when you ask anybody about him having a really good game, that’s the only one that ever gets brought up. His good games are very few and far between. He hasn’t got much worse this season, he’s pretty much always been the way he is

I’d disagree with your last sentence, I can’t think of a single good performance he’s had this season, maybe a decent spell in a game is about it. Previously he’d have at least two or three good showings by now.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I genuinely don’t think there’s too much difference to this seasons Newell, the season overall not just focusing on a particularly poor game on Saturday, and most of his other seasons. Others see it differently and that’s just as valid.

As an example, I think he was this poor last season, but his monopoly on set pieces and accompanying assists were used by some to point to him having a better season last season than he actually was IMO.

Not for me. His levels have fallen off a cliff in open play this season imo.

I was never a massive Newell fan, but I thought he was fine, that was about it. He’s been truly awful this season though.

[HarpOnHibee]

Problem is, even on the rare occasions where he does put in a passable performance, we still don't look like winning a game. We're a team full of individuals. So even if 1 or 2 players do perform better, it's in isolation. There's no commanding figure in the team to collectively energize the players. Any real captain would get the whole team performing well around him when he's also on form. But not this guy. He doesn't command. If he didn't wear the armband, you'd never know he was supposed to be the captain. Our first priority in the next transfer window needs to be a player with some chops about him, someone who isn't feart to offend or upset his pals on the field by calling them out. Sign him up and make him captain.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Not for me. His levels have fallen off a cliff in open play this season imo.

I was never a massive Newell fan, but I thought he was fine, that was about it. He’s been truly awful this season though.

I concur.

[McD]

How often have you ever heard a team captain come out and criticise the management, coaching, calling out other players for effort/decision making?

Agree he needs to look at his own performances but not for the first time I think he is being left to do it all by himself in midfield which in turn creates poor decision making from him making him less effectual in the game.

Assuming Gray is in charge for tomorrow then all he can do is give one or two youngsters a chance - at least fans (sometimes) give youngsters some more leeway for errors/performances.



How can you say he’s doing it all himself when he completed 9 passes in 80 minutes? For a centre mid that’s pathetic, for someone who’s also the captain it shows someone who avoids the ball and hides. When Levitt comes on in the same position and completes more passes in 10 minutes really shows Joe Newell up for what he is

[McD]

Problem is, even on the rare occasions where he does put in a passable performance, we still don't look like winning a game. We're a team full of individuals. So even if 1 or 2 players do perform better, it's in isolation. There's no commanding figure in the team to collectively energize the players. Any real captain would get the whole team performing well around him when he's also on form. But not this guy. He doesn't command. If he didn't wear the armband, you'd never know he was supposed to be the captain. Our first priority in the next transfer window needs to be a player with some chops about him, someone who isn't feart to offend or upset his pals on the field by calling them out. Sign him up and make him captain.


:agree:


We need players with skill and will, but we also need a few leaders as well.

[Basildon Hibs]

He’s been crap since the day he signed for the club. I’ll never be convinced otherwise.


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Bang on.

Never rated him. He's just a boy-band poser who probably can't believe his luck that he's still at the club, seen umpteen managers away and been made Captain, into the bargain !!🤨😲

[Coco Bryce]

Newell could leave tomorrow and nobody would even miss him. Instantly forgettable in his time here.

[Ribs1875]

What makes it even worse he got his new contract, which undoubtedly boasted his wages. He bought a property when he first moved up here. Then he and his otherhalf bought another property together.

So the house that he initially bought he made a deal to rent it out to the club, so not only do hibs over pay that mug, they also give him rent money for his other house that they tend to put the on loan players into.

[Greenio]

Bang on.

Never rated him. He's just a boy-band poser who probably can't believe his luck that he's still at the club, seen umpteen managers away and been made Captain, into the bargain !!🤨😲

I never knew he was in a boy band - he got the hair for it I suppose

[Bridge hibs]

What makes it even worse he got his new contract, which undoubtedly boasted his wages. He bought a property when he first moved up here. Then he and his otherhalf bought another property together.

So the house that he initially bought he made a deal to rent it out to the club, so not only do hibs over pay that mug, they also give him rent money for his other house that they tend to put the on loan players into.Posts like this piss me off, criticise his performances on the pitch but theres absolutely no need to post this **** about his property, its got **** all to do with you, me or anyone else on this forum.

****ing **** patter !

[easty]

What makes it even worse he got his new contract, which undoubtedly boasted his wages. He bought a property when he first moved up here. Then he and his otherhalf bought another property together.

So the house that he initially bought he made a deal to rent it out to the club, so not only do hibs over pay that mug, they also give him rent money for his other house that they tend to put the on loan players into.

What a weird thing to complain about

[matty_f]

Not for me. His levels have fallen off a cliff in open play this season imo.

I was never a massive Newell fan, but I thought he was fine, that was about it. He’s been truly awful this season though.

I like Newell but there’s no case to be made for him this season, he’s been dreadful.

[Forza Fred]

I like Newell but there’s no case to be made for him this season, he’s been dreadful.

I like Joe and think he’s an ok footballer but it’s not lost on me either that he has been part of a less than effective midfield for a couple of seasons.

The common denominator if you like

I think we need to make way for a complete overhaul of the midfield instead of patching things around him.

[Coco Bryce]

I like Newell but there’s no case to be made for him this season, he’s been dreadful.

Serious question Matty.

What do you think he brings to our team?

[1875M]

What makes it even worse he got his new contract, which undoubtedly boasted his wages. He bought a property when he first moved up here. Then he and his otherhalf bought another property together.

So the house that he initially bought he made a deal to rent it out to the club, so not only do hibs over pay that mug, they also give him rent money for his other house that they tend to put the on loan players into.

Your point being? S**t captain, average footballer, but can do what he wants with his money and properties. Who cares.

[flash]

Definitely struggling with the captaincy for my money.

[Ribs1875]

Your point being? S**t captain, average footballer, but can do what he wants with his money and properties. Who cares.

Baffles me that he is captain, one of our higher earning players and gets even more cash out the club through property. All the while he has been dreadful for us for some time. Tbh this is one in a number ways I don't agree with in the way we are being run by these corporate bull**** suit ******s!

[Centre Hawf]

Baffles me that he is captain, one of our higher earning players and gets even more cash out the club through property. All the while he has been dreadful for us for some time. Tbh this is one in a number ways I don't agree with in the way we are being run by these corporate bull**** suit ******s!

What if the rent we pay is cheaper than market rate and thus saving us money is that bad too because it's Newell?

[matty_f]

Serious question Matty.

What do you think he brings to our team?

I think he’s generally composed, can find a pass well and can take the ball up the park. I think he’s better defensively than he gets credit for.

None of those things apply this season though, at least not consistently.

[BILLYHIBS]

I miss MWHIBBIES. Never thought I’d say that.

Have to admire him for sticking to his guns 4 games out of every 5 😀

Good luck to the guy

[Smartie]

I think he’s generally composed, can find a pass well and can take the ball up the park. I think he’s better defensively than he gets credit for.

None of those things apply this season though, at least not consistently.

I agree with all of this.

In the past he's struggled for consistency, throwing in the odd poor performance but this season he's been consistently poor.

[eastmainsmsh]

Poor mans Brian Hamilton

[theonlywayisup]

Struck gold coming to Hibernian FC. Can't think of many teams that he'd be viewed as the best player / best midfielder and rewarded with the Captaincy.

I watch him a lot in games and for the last 18 months he's infuriated me by taking the simple option to pass backwards/sideways as if that's his default mode. Not wanting to open the "he never makes a forward pass" argument correctly refuted by MWHIBEES, but my frustration was that when receiving the ball he rarely lifts his head and looks forward or run forward into space to see what his options are.

[Coco Bryce]

I think he’s generally composed, can find a pass well and can take the ball up the park. I think he’s better defensively than he gets credit for.

None of those things apply this season though, at least not consistently.

Opinions eh!

I really don't think he has any of these qualities. A complete waste of space for me.

Maybe he'll surprise us with a proper gritted teeth captains performance tonight.

[easty]

I think he’s generally composed, can find a pass well and can take the ball up the park. I think he’s better defensively than he gets credit for.

None of those things apply this season though, at least not consistently.


I agree with all of this.

In the past he's struggled for consistency, throwing in the odd poor performance but this season he's been consistently poor.

:agree:

I rate him as a footballer, but it's hard to defend him or try to justify what he does well when he's been as poor as he has.

He'd still be easily my first pick out of him, Kwon and Triantis.

If we'd brought in what we needed over the summer, a dirty defensive mid and a creative attacking mid to play in the hole, I think Newell would work perfectly in that system. As it is, we have 3 guys who are all in and about the same place trying to do the same thing.

I didnae know much about Kwon before he signed, but he doesn't look like the player we needed.

Triantis - I didn't want him back, and we're getting out of him what I expected. We've got a centre half who's fairly comfortable on the ball playing centre mid. You could swap him with Rocky and I'm not sure we'd be any better or worse in midfield. Porteous was far better with the ball, and I didn't want him in midfield either.

[CapitalGreen]

Newell out
4 games
4 points (1 per game)
4 goals scored (1 per game)
4 goals conceded (1 per game)

Newell in
9 games
4 points (0.44 per game)
8 goals scored (0.89 per game)
18 goals conceded (2 per game)

[Ozyhibby]

Newell out
4 games
4 points (1 per game)
4 goals scored (1 per game)
4 goals conceded (1 per game)

Newell in
9 games
4 points (0.44 per game)
8 goals scored (0.89 per game)
18 goals conceded (2 per game)

That’s been the story since he got here. When he plays we pick up less points than when he doesn’t. He’s a terrible midfielder that makes us worse. Teams just breeze through our midfield when he’s there.


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[Centre Hawf]

:agree:

I rate him as a footballer, but it's hard to defend him or try to justify what he does well when he's been as poor as he has.

He'd still be easily my first pick out of him, Kwon and Triantis.

If we'd brought in what we needed over the summer, a dirty defensive mid and a creative attacking mid to play in the hole, I think Newell would work perfectly in that system. As it is, we have 3 guys who are all in and about the same place trying to do the same thing.

I didnae know much about Kwon before he signed, but he doesn't look like the player we needed.

Triantis - I didn't want him back, and we're getting out of him what I expected. We've got a centre half who's fairly comfortable on the ball playing centre mid. You could swap him with Rocky and I'm not sure we'd be any better or worse in midfield. Porteous was far better with the ball, and I didn't want him in midfield either.

I agree with you. I've been a staunch defender of Newell prior to this summer. I won't pretend he's always been perfect because let's be honest if he was he would have left to go back down south at some point. But I think over the piece since the transition to CM/ the covid season to the summer I believe he's been a decent footballer at this level for Hibs, usually surrounded by not particularly great players as well while in a very turbulent managerial merry-go-round.

I don't subscribe to this idea from people who really hate him that he's always been THIS terrible, I don't think what we see this season is what we've always had from him. I don't know if it's now just a culmination of low morale, playing through injury, playing in one of the worst teams ever, or he just can't grasp being a captain. But the truth is he hasn't been good.

What I do know is that Kwon, and especially Triantis, are not particularly good enough. I think we could have replaced Newell with McCowan and asked him to play in his role and I'm honestly not convinced you'd have gotten a huge upgrade performance wise.

[Souter96Mac]

Newell out
4 games
4 points (1 per game)
4 goals scored (1 per game)
4 goals conceded (1 per game)

Newell in
9 games
4 points (0.44 per game)
8 goals scored (0.89 per game)
18 goals conceded (2 per game)

That's quite a damning stat to see.

I like Newell, seems a nice enough guy, but he has been woeful this season, coupled with the fact he has been one of the weakest, non-existent captains we've had in a good while. Rarely shows for the ball, doesn't seem heavily involved in matches where we're desperate for leadership.

A lot has been made of Michael Stewart's comments on Youan the other day - I didn't hear our captain's name mentioned once in the 1st half (i stopped watching at half time so can't comment), but it's those exact scenarios where you need leaders to stand up - the painful truth is that we have none in this current squad.

[Ozyhibby]

That's quite a damning stat to see.

I like Newell, seems a nice enough guy, but he has been woeful this season, coupled with the fact he has been one of the weakest, non-existent captains we've had in a good while. Rarely shows for the ball, doesn't seem heavily involved in matches where we're desperate for leadership.

A lot has been made of Michael Stewart's comments on Youan the other day - I didn't hear our captain's name mentioned once in the 1st half (i stopped watching at half time so can't comment), but it's those exact scenarios where you need leaders to stand up - the painful truth is that we have none in this current squad.

Every season someone posts similar stats and nobody normally cares.


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[Donegal Hibby]

I agree with you. I've been a staunch defender of Newell prior to this summer. I won't pretend he's always been perfect because let's be honest if he was he would have left to go back down south at some point. But I think over the piece since the transition to CM/ the covid season to the summer I believe he's been a decent footballer at this level for Hibs, usually surrounded by not particularly great players as well while in a very turbulent managerial merry-go-round.

I don't subscribe to this idea from people who really hate him that he's always been THIS terrible, I don't think what we see this season is what we've always had from him. I don't know if it's now just a culmination of low morale, playing through injury, playing in one of the worst teams ever, or he just can't grasp being a captain. But the truth is he hasn't been good.

What I do know is that Kwon, and especially Triantis, are not particularly good enough. I think we could have replaced Newell with McCowan and asked him to play in his role and I'm honestly not convinced you'd have gotten a huge upgrade performance wise.

Honestly think if we had got McCowan we’d be in a much better place .. our problem is we aren’t scoring enough and McCowan would have made a difference in that aspect .. personally I like Triantis , I agree that he’s been poor recently and Kwon too .. problem is wither you have Kwon , Triantis and Newell or any other combination of midfielders we have we still lack drive and creativity in the middle of the park .

[easty]

Every season someone posts similar stats and nobody normally cares.


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We picked up more points per game last season with Newell in the team than we did when Maolida was in the team. Stats eh.

[Centre Hawf]

Honestly think if we had got McCowan we’d be in a much better place .. our problem is we aren’t scoring enough and McCowan would have made a difference in that aspect .. personally I like Triantis , I agree that he’s been poor recently and Kwon too .. problem is wither you have Kwon , Triantis and Newell or any other combination of midfielders we have we still lack drive and creativity in the middle of the park .

One player would not solve this crisis. This is a 24 man army of absolute dross and I'll even include Joe in that. It was why I was gobsmacked that we put so much emphasis on the guy for the money we were talking about at the time.

If we signed McCowan he'd be just as hampered by playing with Triantis, Kwon, Levitt, JDH or whoevers draft card came out the tombola that day to play beside him. We have a terrible defence/goalie combination. Forwards who cannot for the life of them buy a goal. We could have prime Zidane playing with this lot and if he had any more hair to lose it would be gone by half-time watching them.

I also do not for the life of me see whatever it is you see in Triantis, the guy is one of the most infuriating players we've probably signed under the Gordon regime. A terrible centre back that lucked out playing CDM for the final stages of a terrible season. So we brought the guy back to do it all over again, we deserve relegation for decision making like that alone.

[Murphys Touch]

One player would not solve this crisis. This is a 24 man army of absolute dross and I'll even include Joe in that. It was why I was gobsmacked that we put so much emphasis on the guy for the money we were talking about at the time.

If we signed McCowan he'd be just as hampered by playing with Triantis, Kwon, Levitt, JDH or whoevers draft card came out the tombola that day to play beside him. We have a terrible defence/goalie combination. Forwards who cannot for the life of them buy a goal. We could have prime Zidane playing with this lot and if he had any more hair to lose it would be gone by half-time watching them.

I also do not for the life of me see whatever it is you see in Triantis, the guy is one of the most infuriating players we've probably signed under the Gordon regime. A terrible centre back that lucked out playing CDM for the final stages of a terrible season. So we brought the guy back to do it all over again, we deserve relegation for decision making like that alone.
Had this argument with mates....IF we were seriously splurging £1m on McCowan that would have been a disaster considering what he would be playing with. Just takes one injury to be back at square one too

Go and sign 3x£300k players however.......(not that I trust us to do that well mind you!)

[Chorley Hibee]

One player would not solve this crisis. This is a 24 man army of absolute dross and I'll even include Joe in that. It was why I was gobsmacked that we put so much emphasis on the guy for the money we were talking about at the time.

If we signed McCowan he'd be just as hampered by playing with Triantis, Kwon, Levitt, JDH or whoevers draft card came out the tombola that day to play beside him. We have a terrible defence/goalie combination. Forwards who cannot for the life of them buy a goal. We could have prime Zidane playing with this lot and if he had any more hair to lose it would be gone by half-time watching them.

I also do not for the life of me see whatever it is you see in Triantis, the guy is one of the most infuriating players we've probably signed under the Gordon regime. A terrible centre back that lucked out playing CDM for the final stages of a terrible season. So we brought the guy back to do it all over again, we deserve relegation for decision making like that alone.

Couldn't agree more in relation to Triantis.

I was absolutely astounded when we brought him back, and not in a good sense I might add.

As you rightly say, a dreadful centre-half shoehorned into centre-midfield and he's not particularly good at that either.

I shake my head in utter disbelief when I keep reading how good he is, and I could say the same about Kwon too.

The level of incompetence and neglect shown that has resulted in a midfield containing this lot, is a disgrace for a club of our size and budget.

[Paulie Walnuts]

One player would not solve this crisis. This is a 24 man army of absolute dross and I'll even include Joe in that. It was why I was gobsmacked that we put so much emphasis on the guy for the money we were talking about at the time.

If we signed McCowan he'd be just as hampered by playing with Triantis, Kwon, Levitt, JDH or whoevers draft card came out the tombola that day to play beside him. We have a terrible defence/goalie combination. Forwards who cannot for the life of them buy a goal. We could have prime Zidane playing with this lot and if he had any more hair to lose it would be gone by half-time watching them.

I also do not for the life of me see whatever it is you see in Triantis, the guy is one of the most infuriating players we've probably signed under the Gordon regime. A terrible centre back that lucked out playing CDM for the final stages of a terrible season. So we brought the guy back to do it all over again, we deserve relegation for decision making like that alone.

Couldn’t agree more about Triantis. A terrible decision to bring him back made even more baffling by the fact we had already endured him at the club last season.

[Ozyhibby]

We picked up more points per game last season with Newell in the team than we did when Maolida was in the team. Stats eh.

How did the stats change with Newell v ‘Newell out’ though, which is what we are talking about?


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[CapitalGreen]

How did the stats change with Newell v ‘Newell out’ though, which is what we are talking about?


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Since moving into central midfield after the Covid shutdown the record is.

Newell starting - 37% win - 1.38ppg
Newell not starting - 47% win - 1.58ppg

Based on 90 min results, all comps.

[easty]

How did the stats change with Newell v ‘Newell out’ though, which is what we are talking about?


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Last season?

Well Newell played in 37 of the 38 league games, and we picked up 1.24 points per game. In the game he didn't play, we got beat 1-0 off of St Johnstone, so picked up 0 points per game.

So we did massively better with him :greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

Since moving into central midfield after the Covid shutdown the record is.

Newell starting - 37% win - 1.38ppg
Newell not starting - 47% win - 1.58ppg

Based on 90 min results, all comps.

Definitely looks like the type of player you want to sign a new contract.[emoji849][emoji23]


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[Donegal Hibby]

One player would not solve this crisis. This is a 24 man army of absolute dross and I'll even include Joe in that. It was why I was gobsmacked that we put so much emphasis on the guy for the money we were talking about at the time.

If we signed McCowan he'd be just as hampered by playing with Triantis, Kwon, Levitt, JDH or whoevers draft card came out the tombola that day to play beside him. We have a terrible defence/goalie combination. Forwards who cannot for the life of them buy a goal. We could have prime Zidane playing with this lot and if he had any more hair to lose it would be gone by half-time watching them.

I also do not for the life of me see whatever it is you see in Triantis, the guy is one of the most infuriating players we've probably signed under the Gordon regime. A terrible centre back that lucked out playing CDM for the final stages of a terrible season. So we brought the guy back to do it all over again, we deserve relegation for decision making like that alone.

Yes ,your right in one player wouldn’t solve this crisis though one of the quality of McCowan who not only creates chances , drives a team forward and is a leader who scores goals would certainly have improved us in midfield which is a problem…

( not having a go at you here ) . You say we have forwards who cannot for the life of them buy a goal ? .. absolutely though that was the same with Vente who was scoring for fun before we got him , melkersen too . Read wither it’s true or not that Vente is one goal short for the amount he got for us in a full season ..

I’ve seen Triantis play really well be it not to often and at 21 or so I think he’s got potential to become a very good player. As to him I don’t expect him to be creating chances and I don’t think that’s where our problem is as we lack a creative attacking midfielder..

Midfield has come in for a lot of criticism and rightly so though there’s been games it’s not been bad in if not creative enough, Dundee for the first ten minutes there was only one team in it .. would you not agree ?

[hibsbollah]

Since moving into central midfield after the Covid shutdown the record is.

Newell starting - 37% win - 1.38ppg
Newell not starting - 47% win - 1.58ppg

Based on 90 min results, all comps.

Whats the number of games he hasnt started in? If its only a handful of games thats not really a body of evidence statistically,to prove we are a better team without him, it could have been down to overall form, harder fixtures, or basic coincidence.

[CapitalGreen]

Whats the number of games he hasnt started in? If its only a handful of games thats not really a body of evidence statistically,to prove we are a better team without him, it could have been down to overall form, harder fixtures, or basic coincidence.

38 games

[theonlywayisup]

One player would not solve this crisis. This is a 24 man army of absolute dross and I'll even include Joe in that. It was why I was gobsmacked that we put so much emphasis on the guy for the money we were talking about at the time.

If we signed McCowan he'd be just as hampered by playing with Triantis, Kwon, Levitt, JDH or whoevers draft card came out the tombola that day to play beside him. We have a terrible defence/goalie combination. Forwards who cannot for the life of them buy a goal. We could have prime Zidane playing with this lot and if he had any more hair to lose it would be gone by half-time watching them.

I also do not for the life of me see whatever it is you see in Triantis, the guy is one of the most infuriating players we've probably signed under the Gordon regime. A terrible centre back that lucked out playing CDM for the final stages of a terrible season. So we brought the guy back to do it all over again, we deserve relegation for decision making like that alone.

Couldn't agree more! What's even more depressing is that some of the dross are contracted until summer of 2026 or beyond.

I read all the permutations on teams for matches and no-one can pick a decent team. Which made me think of another really difficult (or maybe easy) question, "who would be your Player of the Season, so far".

The easy answer is no one, but if pushed it's probably big Marv.

[hibsbollah]

38 games

Thanks. So a season, essentially. Probably a quarter of the total games in that period? That is a good body of evidence to be fair and not good reading.

[Donegal Hibby]

Couldn't agree more! What's even more depressing is that some of the dross are contracted until summer of 2026 or beyond.

I read all the permutations on teams for matches and no-one can pick a decent team. Which made me think of another really difficult (or maybe easy) question, "who would be your Player of the Season, so far".

The easy answer is no one, but if pushed it's probably big Marv.

Probably give it to Newell or Obita again as they seem to be the most popular players.. how Obita got it when he did was embarrassing.

[Coco Bryce]

Couldn't agree more! What's even more depressing is that some of the dross are contracted until summer of 2026 or beyond.

I read all the permutations on teams for matches and no-one can pick a decent team. Which made me think of another really difficult (or maybe easy) question, "who would be your Player of the Season, so far".

The easy answer is no one, but if pushed it's probably big Marv.

Bowie will get it when he comes back and starts scoring for fun!!

[Centre Hawf]

Yes ,your right in one player wouldn’t solve this crisis though one of the quality of McCowan who not only creates chances , drives a team forward and is a leader who scores goals would certainly have improved us in midfield which is a problem…

I agree a player of that quality would be better to have than not have, but we chased him like it was the final piece of a puzzle we were building to make us the team we wanted to be. I'll concede the fact he can score a goal probably means we might have one or two more points on the board but I honestly don't think we would be out this relegation dog fight we're finding ourselves in if he was playing for us.


( not having a go at you here ) . You say we have forwards who cannot for the life of them buy a goal ? .. absolutely though that was the same with Vente who was scoring for fun before we got him , melkersen too . Read wither it’s true or not that Vente is one goal short for the amount he got for us in a full season ..

We have Martin Boyle who is absolutely finished for us in my opinion. Mykola has been nowhere near at it since coming back. Elie Youan doesn't want to be here. Dwight Gayle missed a host of chances in the Derby and hasn't been seen since. Even Josh Campbell was good for bits of goalscoring form and looks nowhere near like he's capable of that anymore, it was one of the few things he had going for him. I've said before but the fact Nicky Cadden is now our biggest goal threat tells you enough of where we are in that regard.

In regards to Vente, he looked like he was void of confidence here. He was missing near enough open goals by the time he left. His chances at Kelty and St Mirren were laughable, and I say that as someone who liked him. Melkersen I just think wasn't ready for a big role at this club at that time in his life. Far too raw and handled poorly by us.


I’ve seen Triantis play really well be it not to often and at 21 or so I think he’s got potential to become a very good player. As to him I don’t expect him to be creating chances and I don’t think that’s where our problem is as we lack a creative attacking midfielder..

I'm really sorry DH but after about 180 minutes of him coming back where he perhaps looked like he could shut people like me up who didn't want him back he's reverted back to type. He is atrocious on the ball, and I don't even think he's a particularly great reader of danger off it to be our defensive minded midfielder. If I could send him back in January I would. He's is emblematic of how poor our recruitment has been in the summer just gone.



Midfield has come in for a lot of criticism and rightly so though there’s been games it’s not been bad in if not creative enough, Dundee for the first ten minutes there was only one team in it .. would you not agree ?

What point are you making here? We are rock bottom of the league after 13 games and easily the worst team of the lot so far. The midfield has been atrocious both creatively and defensively. 10 minutes against Dundee changes zero of what I've seen of the rest of the season. In fact it didn't change what I seen the rest of the game from them. Some of our mistakes in that game weren't even due to being down to 10 men it was just schoolboy stuff.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

I agree with you. I've been a staunch defender of Newell prior to this summer. I won't pretend he's always been perfect because let's be honest if he was he would have left to go back down south at some point. But I think over the piece since the transition to CM/ the covid season to the summer I believe he's been a decent footballer at this level for Hibs, usually surrounded by not particularly great players as well while in a very turbulent managerial merry-go-round.

I don't subscribe to this idea from people who really hate him that he's always been THIS terrible, I don't think what we see this season is what we've always had from him. I don't know if it's now just a culmination of low morale, playing through injury, playing in one of the worst teams ever, or he just can't grasp being a captain. But the truth is he hasn't been good.

What I do know is that Kwon, and especially Triantis, are not particularly good enough. I think we could have replaced Newell with McCowan and asked him to play in his role and I'm honestly not convinced you'd have gotten a huge upgrade performance wise.

Who hates him? There just seems to be plenty people that don't rate him very highly.

[Centre Hawf]

Who hates him? There just seems to be plenty people that don't rate very highly.

Let's be honest when you speak to some folk you can tell they absolutely hate the guy, someone was even moaning that the club were renting one of his gaffs to other players today.

If you're not in the camp of hating him then don't worry that doesn't apply to you.

[Jock O]

Who hates him? There just seems to be plenty people that don't rate very highly.

There also seem to be quite a few that make him the centre of everything negative, no matter what he does. Hate may be too strong, but there are a number of people with an irrational dislike of him, even without seeing him play. It is bizarre, he is having a poor season no doubt, as all are. He isn't a bad player in my opinion, he has signs of being capable of being a very good player, but his form would say he is a decent if inconsistent player under performing within a very poor team at the moment. So what should we do, have a 20 page thread with lots just putting the boot in. Lots of it personal too despite the fact in reality we are discussing how someone is doing their job. Its pretty draining sometimes.

[Donegal Hibby]

I agree a player of that quality would be better to have than not have, but we chased him like it was the final piece of a puzzle we were building to make us the team we wanted to be. I'll concede the fact he can score a goal probably means we might have one or two more points on the board but I honestly don't think we would be out this relegation dog fight we're finding ourselves in if he was playing for us.

Folk have been saying that with a better keeper we’d be further up the league I think it’s entirely possible with McCowan we would be too.



We have Martin Boyle who is absolutely finished for us in my opinion. Mykola has been nowhere near at it since coming back. Elie Youan doesn't want to be here. Dwight Gayle missed a host of chances in the Derby and hasn't been seen since. Even Josh Campbell was good for bits of goalscoring form and looks nowhere near like he's capable of that anymore, it was one of the few things he had going for him. I've said before but the fact Nicky Cadden is now our biggest goal threat tells you enough of where we are in that regard.

I don’t honestly know if Boyle is finished as it’s been said before and he’s came back and had some decent performances..Ellie I don’t blame for wanting to leave after some of the abuse he’s taken particularly the racial stuff which was disgusting though at the same time I thought he was one of our better players against Dundee and had no issues with his keepie-uppies either. I don’t think anyone is playing particularly well and I think the whole team is struggling with confidence issues.

In regards to Vente, he looked like he was void of confidence here. He was missing near enough open goals by the time he left. His chances at Kelty and St Mirren were laughable, and I say that as someone who liked him. Melkersen I just think wasn't ready for a big role at this club at that time in his life. Far too raw and handled poorly by us.

He certainly did look void of confidence which I think was partly down to us playing him out of position and not creating chances for him long before the games you mention .. in truth when he first came he looked the bees knees only to leave looking like a player in tatters . Melkersen I think was also played out of position at times . Not saying they would have been successful here but we certainly didn’t help either in that respect.



I'm really sorry DH but after about 180 minutes of him coming back where he perhaps looked like he could shut people like me up who didn't want him back he's reverted back to type. He is atrocious on the ball, and I don't even think he's a particularly great reader of danger off it to be our defensive minded midfielder. If I could send him back in January I would. He's is emblematic of how poor our recruitment has been in the summer just gone.

They are all playing badly though it’s not just Triantis who in a couple of games spread / passed the ball about as good as I seen from a DM for us and is young enough to improve .. biggest issues we have is the goalie , a lack of an attacking midfielder who’s creative and a couple of fullbacks who can actually defend .



What point are you making here? We are rock bottom of the league after 13 games and easily the worst team of the lot so far. The midfield has been atrocious both creatively and defensively. 10 minutes against Dundee changes zero of what I've seen of the rest of the season. In fact it didn't change what I seen the rest of the game from them. Some of our mistakes in that game weren't even due to being down to 10 men it was just schoolboy stuff.

My point is even though I agree we need a quality midfielder there’s been times when we haven’t been over run or dominated in midfield apart from when we have shot ourselves in the foot which we have done frequently in games this season. I might be wrong again though I think I read we have thrown something like 14 points away from winning positions . It’s our lack of ability to put teams away when we should along with individual mistakes that’s cost us …

I disagree that our mistakes weren’t due to going down to ten men as I felt we were the better team and in control up until the sending off which totally changed the game in they got a lift from it and with morale ,confidence low we went to bits …

Anyone that’s to blame for the Dundee game imo isn’t Triantis , Campbell or Youan doing keepie uppies with a VAR review going on but Obita .. for a couple of seasons now I watched him getting caught out of position and the likes of Rocky and other players get the blame for it , crosses coming into our box that opposition players have time and space to do so .. even Craig Levein realised this was a weakness last season when saints beat us at ER ..

I still think with a goalie , two proper full backs who can defend and a quality ATT MID we can move up the table . That’s the hope I have anyhow buddy .

[easty]

My point is even though I agree we need a quality midfielder there’s been times when we haven’t been over run or dominated in midfield apart from when we have shot ourselves in the foot which we have done frequently in games this season. I might be wrong again though I think I read we have thrown something like 14 points away from winning positions . It’s our lack of ability to put teams away when we should along with individual mistakes that’s cost us …

I disagree that our mistakes weren’t due to going down to ten men as I felt we were the better team and in control up until the sending off which totally changed the game in they got a lift from it and with morale ,confidence low we went to bits …

Anyone that’s to blame for the Dundee game imo isn’t Triantis , Campbell or Youan doing keepie uppies with a VAR review going on but Obita .. for a couple of seasons now I watched him getting caught out of position and the likes of Rocky and other players get the blame for it , crosses coming into our box that opposition players have time and space to do so .. even Craig Levein realised this was a weakness last season when saints beat us at ER ..

I still think with a goalie , two proper full backs who can defend and a quality ATT MID we can move up the table . That’s the hope I have anyhow buddy .

You make some valid points here, but when St Johnstone beat us at ER last season, the goals had nowt to do with no being able to stop crosses coming in, or Jordan Obita. We battered them that day, and probably should've had a penalty. Regardless, the first goal, Rocky and Triantis couldnae cover one guy between them. The second was a header from a corner where Maolida made nae attempt to stop his man.

[Centre Hawf]

My point is even though I agree we need a quality midfielder there’s been times when we haven’t been over run or dominated in midfield apart from when we have shot ourselves in the foot which we have done frequently in games this season. I might be wrong again though I think I read we have thrown something like 14 points away from winning positions . It’s our lack of ability to put teams away when we should along with individual mistakes that’s cost us …

I disagree that our mistakes weren’t due to going down to ten men as I felt we were the better team and in control up until the sending off which totally changed the game in they got a lift from it and with morale ,confidence low we went to bits …

Anyone that’s to blame for the Dundee game imo isn’t Triantis , Campbell or Youan doing keepie uppies with a VAR review going on but Obita .. for a couple of seasons now I watched him getting caught out of position and the likes of Rocky and other players get the blame for it , crosses coming into our box that opposition players have time and space to do so .. even Craig Levein realised this was a weakness last season when saints beat us at ER ..

I still think with a goalie , two proper full backs who can defend and a quality ATT MID we can move up the table . That’s the hope I have anyhow buddy .

We are where we are because we can't score enough or hold onto anything when we do finally score. It's not a case of one attacking midfielder lifting us up the table. It's the best part of a whole starting XI that we need

I understand that a red card seen us lose control of the game and Obita needs to take his share of the blame for how it panned out. But I also watched Chris Cadden pass it to the winger for their first goal, I watched Nectar Triantis head it into our own goal from a corner, our keeper gift them a third, and Rocky Bushiri dribble into a press for their fourth. These are all school boy errors by players who are not good enough under any circumstances, and allowing these players to hide behind the red card is not something I'm prepared to do.

[blackpoolhibs]

Let's be honest when you speak to some folk you can tell they absolutely hate the guy, someone was even moaning that the club were renting one of his gaffs to other players today.

If you're not in the camp of hating him then don't worry that doesn't apply to you.
I'm one of his biggest detractors, I've never rated him since he arrived. In my opinion i'ts all showboat with him, get his stats up with pass percentages.

He gives and goes all day with the back 4, rarely venturing forward and creating for the forwards.

He does have composure on the ball, he's comfortable, but for me thats because of where he chooses his passes, sideways or backwards.

There have been the odd occasion where he's been absolutely superb going forward, took the ball in and drove forward with strength and a bit of pace, but they are too few and if honest i couldnt name anymore than around 5/6 times he's done that.

I dont hate him, I dont rate him, people shouldnt confuse the two, i reserve my hatred for folk like the Gordons who are killing this club, Newell is just one of a raft of crap players that lot have given good contracts to, that shouldnt be anywhere near our club.

[Groathillgrump]

I'm one of his biggest detractors, I've never rated him since he arrived. In my opinion i'ts all showboat with him, get his stats up with pass percentages.

He gives and goes all day with the back 4, rarely venturing forward and creating for the forwards.

He does have composure on the ball, he's comfortable, but for me thats because of where he chooses his passes, sideways or backwards.

There have been the odd occasion where he's been absolutely superb going forward, took the ball in and drove forward with strength and a bit of pace, but they are too few and if honest i couldnt name anymore than around 5/6 times he's done that.

I dont hate him, I dont rate him, people shouldnt confuse the two, i reserve my hatred for folk like the Gordons who are killing this club, Newell is just one of a raft of crap players that lot have given good contracts to, that shouldnt be anywhere near our club.

:top marks

That's sums up my opinion of Joe Newell perfectly, BH.

[Centre Hawf]

I'm one of his biggest detractors, I've never rated him since he arrived. In my opinion i'ts all showboat with him, get his stats up with pass percentages.

He gives and goes all day with the back 4, rarely venturing forward and creating for the forwards.

He does have composure on the ball, he's comfortable, but for me thats because of where he chooses his passes, sideways or backwards.

There have been the odd occasion where he's been absolutely superb going forward, took the ball in and drove forward with strength and a bit of pace, but they are too few and if honest i couldnt name anymore than around 5/6 times he's done that.

I dont hate him, I dont rate him, people shouldnt confuse the two, i reserve my hatred for folk like the Gordons who are killing this club, Newell is just one of a raft of crap players that lot have given good contracts to, that shouldnt be anywhere near our club.

That's fine. All reasonable complaints to have.

Where I think people can go over the top is when they begin to slate the guy for things outside the pitch. Which some are quite excited at the prospect of doing whenever an opportunity arises.

I'll say what I've said to someone else though, if you don't hate the guy then what I said doesn't apply to you.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

I'm one of his biggest detractors, I've never rated him since he arrived. In my opinion i'ts all showboat with him, get his stats up with pass percentages.

He gives and goes all day with the back 4, rarely venturing forward and creating for the forwards.

He does have composure on the ball, he's comfortable, but for me thats because of where he chooses his passes, sideways or backwards.

There have been the odd occasion where he's been absolutely superb going forward, took the ball in and drove forward with strength and a bit of pace, but they are too few and if honest i couldnt name anymore than around 5/6 times he's done that.

I dont hate him, I dont rate him, people shouldnt confuse the two, i reserve my hatred for folk like the Gordons who are killing this club, Newell is just one of a raft of crap players that lot have given good contracts to, that shouldnt be anywhere near our club.

Sounds about right.

[theonlywayisup]

I'm one of his biggest detractors, I've never rated him since he arrived. In my opinion i'ts all showboat with him, get his stats up with pass percentages.

He gives and goes all day with the back 4, rarely venturing forward and creating for the forwards.

He does have composure on the ball, he's comfortable, but for me thats because of where he chooses his passes, sideways or backwards.

There have been the odd occasion where he's been absolutely superb going forward, took the ball in and drove forward with strength and a bit of pace, but they are too few and if honest i couldnt name anymore than around 5/6 times he's done that.

I dont hate him, I dont rate him, people shouldnt confuse the two, i reserve my hatred for folk like the Gordons who are killing this club, Newell is just one of a raft of crap players that lot have given good contracts to, that shouldnt be anywhere near our club.

I agree with much of the above!

As I said earlier, I watch him a lot in games and for the last 18 months he's infuriated me by taking the simple option to pass backwards/sideways as if that's his default mode. Not wanting to open the "he never makes a forward pass" argument correctly refuted by MWHIBEES, but my frustration was that when receiving the ball he rarely lifts his head and looks forward or run forward into space to see what his options are.

Can't believe he's our Captain. :confused:

[Exuberance1875]

I'm one of his biggest detractors, I've never rated him since he arrived. In my opinion i'ts all showboat with him, get his stats up with pass percentages.

He gives and goes all day with the back 4, rarely venturing forward and creating for the forwards.

He does have composure on the ball, he's comfortable, but for me thats because of where he chooses his passes, sideways or backwards.

There have been the odd occasion where he's been absolutely superb going forward, took the ball in and drove forward with strength and a bit of pace, but they are too few and if honest i couldnt name anymore than around 5/6 times he's done that.

I dont hate him, I dont rate him, people shouldnt confuse the two, i reserve my hatred for folk like the Gordons who are killing this club, Newell is just one of a raft of crap players that lot have given good contracts to, that shouldnt be anywhere near our club.

I think this sums him up perfectly, all while keeping the hatred out of it. No one should be hated for not being good enough at football for your team.

[HarpOnHibee]

People who think he's a decent player are judging him based on individual moments. Like that one good pass or the odd step over. But that doesn't automatically equate to a better overall team performance on the park as the statistics clearly show. We're a worse team overall when Joe Newell is in the side, the stats make that clear. It doesn't matter if he has wee individual moments if we ultimately look worse with him in the team.

[Donegal Hibby]

You make some valid points here, but when St Johnstone beat us at ER last season, the goals had nowt to do with no being able to stop crosses coming in, or Jordan Obita. We battered them that day, and probably should've had a penalty. Regardless, the first goal, Rocky and Triantis couldnae cover one guy between them. The second was a header from a corner where Maolida made nae attempt to stop his man.

No but the goals came from there being too much space on the flanks . They nearly scored before they did on the other side which is similar to the one we lost ( 1:25 ) . After an attack we had when their keeper got the ball it was clear what his instructions was as you’ll see ( 2:28 ) .. with having a guy like Sidibeh who has that sort of speed I don’t think Rocky or Triantis was ever going to cover him .

Interesting on that goal even though it was too late Cadden must have bust a gut trying to get back . Going by Obita’s reaction when Newell who lost the ball in the first place he didn’t look like he was willing to bust a balloon … (2:40 ) …

https://youtu.be/cdSPSBfp2Eo?si=xASqVgShJWltfD2z

Same in our first game against St Mirren on the third goal and other games over the last few seasons . I’m sorry but both fullbacks are terrible defensively with Obita being the worse and that doesn’t include his red cards , penalties given away etc .

[blackpoolhibs]

No but the goals came from there being too much space on the flanks . They nearly scored before they did on the other side which is similar to the one we lost ( 1:25 ) . After an attack we had when their keeper got the ball it was clear what his instructions was as you’ll see ( 2:28 ) .. with having a guy like Sidibeh who has that sort of speed I don’t think Rocky or Triantis was ever going to cover him .

Interesting on that goal even though it was too late Cadden must have bust a gut trying to get back . Going by Obita’s reaction when Newell who lost the ball in the first place he didn’t look like he was willing to bust a balloon … (2:40 ) …

https://youtu.be/cdSPSBfp2Eo?si=xASqVgShJWltfD2z

Same in our first game against St Mirren on the third goal and other games over the last few seasons . I’m sorry but both fullbacks are terrible defensively with Obita being the worse and that doesn’t include his red cards , penalties given away etc .

I dont agree with much you say, but you are 100% spot on, put them along with O'Hora and flappihandski in goals and it's no wonder the goals we concede are mostly all preventable.

[The Modfather]

I think he’s generally composed, can find a pass well and can take the ball up the park. I think he’s better defensively than he gets credit for.

None of those things apply this season though, at least not consistently.

it’s interesting how we all see things differently. The bit in bold has been my main criticism of him since he arrived. As it has the overall midfield in that same period.

As an aside, when was the last time we had a player like Mulligans performance on Saturday? Pre injury and pre Saudi move Boyle? I had forgot what it was like to watch a player drive forward at every opportunity for a full 90 minutes.

[J-C]

I don't hate Newell, I don't rate him, he's seen off 5 managers in his time here, 2 contract extensions and now captains armband, he's the epitome of everything that's wrong with the club, mediocrity at it's worst.

[HarpOnHibee]

I don't hate Newell, I don't rate him, he's seen off 5 managers in his time here, 2 contract extensions and now captains armband, he's the epitome of everything that's wrong with the club, mediocrity at it's worst.

He's a really nice guy though and great pals with his team mates. That's the captaincy requirement quota met at our nice, friendly, gentle natured club.

[Ribs1875]

I'm one of his biggest detractors, I've never rated him since he arrived. In my opinion i'ts all showboat with him, get his stats up with pass percentages.

He gives and goes all day with the back 4, rarely venturing forward and creating for the forwards.

He does have composure on the ball, he's comfortable, but for me thats because of where he chooses his passes, sideways or backwards.

There have been the odd occasion where he's been absolutely superb going forward, took the ball in and drove forward with strength and a bit of pace, but they are too few and if honest i couldnt name anymore than around 5/6 times he's done that.

I dont hate him, I dont rate him, people shouldnt confuse the two, i reserve my hatred for folk like the Gordons who are killing this club, Newell is just one of a raft of crap players that lot have given good contracts to, that shouldnt be anywhere near our club.

That's sums it up nicely. Think we should leave the forum chat at that lol.

[blackpoolhibs]

Tonight is what we all want from Joe Newell, there would be no threads slating him if he performed like he has in that first 45 minutes every week.

[hibee_girl]

Tonight is what we all want from Joe Newell, there would be no threads slating him if he performed like he has in that first 45 minutes every week.

:agree:

He has played well so far.

[hibsbollah]

Super Joe.

[Ozyhibby]

Tonight is what we all want from Joe Newell, there would be no threads slating him if he performed like he has in that first 45 minutes every week.

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[Golden Bear]

Absolutely outstanding from Joe tonight. An 11 out of 10 performance.

[Just Alf]

Tonight is what we all want from Joe Newell, there would be no threads slating him if he performed like he has in that first 45 minutes every week.Totally agree, he's had loads of little snippets of good play like this even on 'bad days'.... just far far too few compared to the mundane stuff

[blackpoolhibs]

And it's back to being the invisible man again. :bitchy:

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

Absolutely outstanding from Joe tonight. An 11 out of 10 performance.

Been poor this season but was brilliant 1st half. Fell away slightly in the 2nd as the game wore on but came into It again late on.

[Septimus]

Good first half

[CapitalGreen]

A really good first half then didn’t appear in the 2nd half.

[Carheenlea]

The frustrating thing with Joe Newell is that we know he’s capable.

An excellent performance and he needs to keep that level and lead by example as captain. Too often he throws in some lacklustre displays, but the Joe Newell tonight is one that is a big asset to the team.

[hibee_girl]

Typical that after a good performance he’s now suspended for Saturday.

[CapitalGreen]

Typical that after a good performance he’s now suspended for Saturday.

Think he served his suspension in the 2nd half.

[1875Sean]

Typical that after a good performance he’s now suspended for Saturday.

He didn’t get booked did he?

[hibee_girl]

He didn’t get booked did he?

He did against Dundee so sure he’s suspended now for this Saturday.

[CL0762]

Tonight is what we all want from Joe Newell, there would be no threads slating him if he performed like he has in that first 45 minutes every week.

Spot on.

[Unseen work]

The Joe Newell we saw tonight is why he is so frustrating

We need that from him every week as a captain and as an experienced player in the middle of the park

[BILLYHIBS]

Played well tonight never hid run his socks off put his body on the line and a great strike for the first goal

One of his one in five good games

[danhibees1875]

Outstanding performance.

[Exuberance1875]

Hopefully reward him with a lifetime contract now

[Jock O]

Think he served his suspension in the 2nd half.

People can't help themselves. He wasn't as good in the 2nd but he certainly did not disappear

Can we now close this thread and the ones on Rocky and Youan with all the personal stuff in and start ones about how they perform on an ongoing basis, and stick to facts.

[RIP]

Can we now close this thread and the ones on Rocky and Youan with all the personal stuff in and start ones about how they perform on an ongoing basis, and stick to facts.

Wouldn't the keyboard assassins have to start attending the actual matches before they could do that? 😆

[Donegal Hibby]

Been critical of Joe Newell’s performances this season though I think he deserves some praise for his performances in our last two games… think he’s been good . Well done Joe :applause:

[HoboHarry]

Wouldn't the keyboard assassins have to start attending the actual matches before they could do that? 😆

Not sure some of them get to leave the house, far less attend games.

[BILLYHIBS]

Thought Joe was ok yesterday nothing special but 3-0 for the team is the only stat that matters

In the last two games I would say he was outstanding first half versus Aberdeen yesterday Sofa gave him 6.6 the second lowest Hibs player score against his season average of 7

As I said 0-3 cannae argue with that

Bring on the Celtic

Onwards and upwards

[IanM]

His smile at the end of the game spoke volumes.. hibs fans applauding the whole team, meant something to him

[Keepthefaith]

His smile at the end of the game spoke volumes.. hibs fans applauding the whole team, meant something to him

noticed that too - as I said on another thread, you can't say the guy doesn't care when he clearly does. I thought he was really good yesterday, both him and trianits worked well together and never stopped closing down all game

[JimBHibees]

Been critical of Joe Newell’s performances this season though I think he deserves some praise for his performances in our last two games… think he’s been good . Well done Joe :applause:

Agree totally

[InvertedFullBak]

Hopefully reward him with a lifetime contract now

A lifetime contract after two decent games is a bit much wouldn’t you say ?

[Brianmcd]

noticed that too - as I said on another thread, you can't say the guy doesn't care when he clearly does. I thought he was really good yesterday, both him and trianits worked well together and never stopped closing down all game

Also telling the guys after third goal they gotta keep a clean sheet.