October derby

[Ómaigh-Hib]

Any chance that the October derby will have a time or date change from the 7th at 3pm?

[Trinity Hibee]

Any chance that the October derby will have a time or date change from the 7th at 3pm?

Doubtful as neither team is in Europe and we already know it isn’t being picked up by sky. Best case scenario is that it’s on hearts PPV

[CallumLaidlaw]

I expected a 12pm kick off for PPV but they’re leaving it a bit late if so


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[Billy Whizz]

I expected a 12pm kick off for PPV but they’re leaving it a bit late if so


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St Johnstone only changed their game v Celtic on the 30th September last Thursday
It’s 12.30pm KO on PPV

[B.H.F.C]

We should know this week for certain as would expect ticket info to be released.

[LaMotta]

Its bound to be on PPV at lunchtime removing most of the fun of the pre match build up.

[erin go bragh]

Doubtful as neither team is in Europe and we already know it isn’t being picked up by sky. Best case scenario is that it’s on hearts PPV
Total joke from sky
oldest derby in world football and no coverage.
Sky can gtf

[Stanton Spence]

This is the first I’ve heard that this game isn’t on sky?
As folk have already said that’s shocking and show’s you how much sky actually give a **** about promoting the game up here

[Ringothedog]

St Johnstone only changed their game v Celtic on the 30th September last Thursday
It’s 12.30pm KO on PPV

My ticket confirmation has 3.00pm, although that can change

[Centre Hawf]

As others have said, I give it a 95% chance this is moved to 12/12:30 on the Saturday for PPV, so everyone should be aware of that possibility and plan for it as well as 3pm.

[Pete70]

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/ticket-info-hearts-a-1

Ticket details here

[MelbourneHibees]

This is the first I’ve heard that this game isn’t on sky?
As folk have already said that’s shocking and show’s you how much sky actually give a **** about promoting the game up here

Sky have decided not to show about 4 or 5 Derbies in recent years. They've also failed to show their full number of matches they are allowed too. It's ridiculous.

[Hibby70]

Anyone else get their email arriving 90 minutes after these went on sale?

Not that it affects me as I don't have Hibs first but they need to get this in sync and not leave it as late with the sale time

[Moulin Yarns]

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/ticket-info-hearts-a-1

[BoomtownHibees]

Anyone else get their email arriving 90 minutes after these went on sale?

Not that it affects me as I don't have Hibs first but they need to get this in sync and not leave it as late with the sale time

I got my Hibs First email at 9.59 advising they were on sale at 10

[Billy Whizz]

Anyone else get their email arriving 90 minutes after these went on sale?

Not that it affects me as I don't have Hibs first but they need to get this in sync and not leave it as late with the sale time

Got mine at 9.55 which was perfect for me. Logged on and got our 3

[Centre Hawf]

Anyone else get their email arriving 90 minutes after these went on sale?

Not that it affects me as I don't have Hibs first but they need to get this in sync and not leave it as late with the sale time

They went on sale to Hibs First at 10am, which I think all are guaranteed a ticket if they want one so the timing probably wasn't as big an issue.

[marinello59]

Anyone else get their email arriving 90 minutes after these went on sale?

Not that it affects me as I don't have Hibs first but they need to get this in sync and not leave it as late with the sale time

Hibs First are guaranteed a ticket . So no biggy really.

[SHODAN]

I've just become a Dad now so won't be at the football for at least a month. Enjoy it lads.

[CockneyRebel]

[QUOTE=Stanton Spence;7470633]This is the first I’ve heard that this game isn’t on sky?
As folk have already said that’s shocking and show’s you how much sky actually give a **** about promoting the game up here

Sky are not in it to promote Scottish football. Their sole objective is to maximise profits by catering to the widest audience, the same as all the other tv channels that cover live sport. It's up to the FA bodies everywhere to insist that the contracts that they sign up to address local issues.

[CockneyRebel]

I've just become a Dad now so won't be at the football for at least a month. Enjoy it lads.

Congratulations :thumbsup: I hope the new sprog will be encouraged to follow the cabbage. :flag:

[Hermit Crab]

Hearts will likely have sold all their hospitality tickets so it’s a late call if they decide to move it.

[Hermit Crab]

Got mine at 9.55 which was perfect for me. Logged on and got our 3


it’s a bit naughty from Hibs. I woke up to an email a hour ago saying they were on sale to HF. I know we’re guaranteed a ticket but a bit of notice would have been nice.

[Trinity Hibee]

Hearts will likely have sold all their hospitality tickets so it’s a late call if they decide to move it.

I see someone said St J announced the time change to their game with Celtic 10 days before but surely hearts and us must know now if they plan to put it on PPV? So it looks like Sat 3pm is confirmed given the tickets are now on sale with that time advertised.

[Hermit Crab]

I see someone said St J announced the time change to their game with Celtic 10 days before but surely hearts and us must know now if they plan to put it on PPV? So it looks like Sat 3pm is confirmed given the tickets are now on sale with that time advertised.


It says on the tickets “kick of times subject to change” so there’s every chance Hearts could move the kickoff to 12:00/12:30 but they better get a move on.

[tamig]

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/ticket-info-hearts-a-1

Ticket details here

I still laugh at their upper and lower tier patter 😀

[Hermit Crab]

I still laugh at their upper and lower tier patter 😀


It is an upper and lower though. :confused:

Also good to see prices have remained the same as last season.

[Corstorphine Hibby]

It is an upper and lower though. :confused:

Also good to see prices have remained the same as last season.
It's a pedantic point, but an upper and lower tier would suggest 2 different 'levels', like the FF,West & South at ER.The Roseburn stand is one level with a concourse.
As per usual with that mob, they tend to be a bit liberal with facts.

[DH1875]

Its an absolute P take that the derbies aren't on TV anymore (that been a few recently). I thought it was so they could show rangers and celtic games away to us and hearts but even some of those games haven't been on and aren't scheduled to he shown. Its quite ridiculous really.

[BoomtownHibees]

It's a pedantic point, but an upper and lower tier would suggest 2 different 'levels', like the FF,West & South at ER.The Roseburn stand is one level with a concourse.
As per usual with that mob, they tend to be a bit liberal with facts.

Correct. It’s like us saying the East is 2 tiered because of the walkway. Nonsense

[1875godsgift]

I've just become a Dad now so won't be at the football for at least a month. Enjoy it lads.

Congratulations!!

My partner wouldn't let me name either of my girls Stanton for some reason....
Brilliant name for a girl I thought 🇳🇬🇳🇬🇳🇬

[gbhibby]

I still laugh at their upper and lower tier patter 😀
Maybe they have seats on the roof so you can see the castle.

[Keith_M]

It is an upper and lower though. :confused:

Also good to see prices have remained the same as last season.


Is the East stand at Easter Road an Upper and Lower Tier?

Aside from the number of rows, I'm struggling to see the difference.

[Hermit Crab]

Block K upper not for sale for Hibs first members. Seems like it’s being held back.

[Itsnoteasy]

Block K upper not for sale for Hibs first members. Seems like it’s being held back.

That's normally where comps are

[Hibee_Craig7062]

Block K upper not for sale for Hibs first members. Seems like it’s being held back.

I hope you aren't suggesting its for any particular section of our support....you've already had your answer to that 😝

[BoomtownHibees]

Block K upper not for sale for Hibs first members. Seems like it’s being held back.

It was when I first logged in but was gone pretty quickly so mustn’t have been that many tickets available in there

[Danderhall Hibs]

it’s a bit naughty from Hibs. I woke up to an email a hour ago saying they were on sale to HF. I know we’re guaranteed a ticket but a bit of notice would have been nice.

You’ve got until Wednesday to buy them haven’t you? That’s 2 days notice.

I didn’t realise you could opt out as many times as you like from buying tickets in hibs first - basically it’s a pay £50 to guarantee derby tickets scheme.

[nonshinyfinish]

You’ve got until Wednesday to buy them haven’t you? That’s 2 days notice.

I didn’t realise you could opt out as many times as you like from buying tickets in hibs first - basically it’s a pay £50 to guarantee derby tickets scheme.

IIRC they said it would be monitored and they reserve the right to boot folk out if it looks like that's what they're doing.

[Hermit Crab]

IIRC they said it would be monitored and they reserve the right to boot folk out if it looks like that's what they're doing.


Impossible to monitor if clubs sell directly to us so it's an empty statement.

[Hermit Crab]

You’ve got until Wednesday to buy them haven’t you? That’s 2 days notice.

I didn’t realise you could opt out as many times as you like from buying tickets in hibs first - basically it’s a pay £50 to guarantee derby tickets scheme.


Not the point. I received an email about them being on sale after they had gone on sale.

[Hermit Crab]

That's normally where comps are


So they get the best seats? About 700 of them? :confused:

[B.H.F.C]

Impossible to monitor if clubs sell directly to us so it's an empty statement.

No really, if we monitor the ones we do sell ourselves…..

[Carheenlea]

In the interests of transparency, I’d like Hibs to tell us tomorrow morning exactly how many tickets will be on sale at noon.

Given that demand will be considerably greater than supply, an exact figure of tickets on sale will maybe help by giving fans some realistic expectations of their chances.

[The Spaceman]

You have to buy tickets through your Hibs First membership number (e.g. I can't go on and buy two tickets for my one HF Membership, unless the other ticket is for another HF Member). So I'd imagine that is very easy to monitor (anyone who buys a ticket pre-ST sales window).

[Itsnoteasy]

So they get the best seats? About 700 of them? :confused:

Not 700, I couldn't give you a figure but that is where they are always seated.

[Hibbyradge]

My takeaway from this thread...

We complain when games are moved for TV.

We complain when games are not moved for TV.

[Hermit Crab]

My takeaway from this thread...

We complain when games are moved for TV.

We complain when games are not moved for TV.


In fairness its a disgrace that the Edinburgh derby is not being televised again.

[Cod Boy]

In the interests of transparency, I’d like Hibs to tell us tomorrow morning exactly how many tickets will be on sale at noon.

Given that demand will be considerably greater than supply, an exact figure of tickets on sale will maybe help by giving fans some realistic expectations of their chances.


They should know the figure but unfortunately won’t announce it

[Cod Boy]

In fairness its a disgrace that the Edinburgh derby is not being televised again.

The clubs sold themselves to cheaply to sky who are only interested in viewing figures and looking after the 2 from the west

[Blaster]

I still can’t understand why they’ve not used one of their PPV games?

[Ringothedog]

I still can’t understand why they’ve not used one of their PPV games?

Thankfully they haven’t and hopefully it remains a 3pm kick off

[JimBHibees]

In fairness its a disgrace that the Edinburgh derby is not being televised again.

Absolutely is also ridiculous when Dundee derby was ignored also.

[Since90+2]

I still can’t understand why they’ve not used one of their PPV games?

Pretty sure they will.

[BS44]

I still can’t understand why they’ve not used one of their PPV games?

Maybe just looking out for their ST ticket holders. Most fans at whichever Scottish club would want their big home game kicking off at 3pm on a Saturday

[Since90+2]

Maybe just looking out for their ST ticket holders. Most fans at whichever Scottish club would want their big home game kicking off at 3pm on a Saturday

They'll announce the ppv shortly. The games against the old firm will be mostly on sky, so this game is one of their biggest selling PPVs.

[Blaster]

They'll announce the ppv shortly. The games against the old firm will be mostly on sky, so this game is one of their biggest selling PPVs.

Leaving it a bit late to change kick off time

[hibee-boys]

I've just become a Dad now so won't be at the football for at least a month. Enjoy it lads.

More reason to go to the football I’d think🤔😂

[BS44]

They'll announce the ppv shortly. The games against the old firm will be mostly on sky, so this game is one of their biggest selling PPVs.

But how many subscriptions will they sell? I was told by a club director a while back that we only sold round about 4000 for both the Glasgow teams, don't know how many we sold for the grunts last April but I'd guess only slightly more. Most people will probably get it on a dodgy stream rather than pay to watch.

[tamig]

It is an upper and lower though. :confused:

Also good to see prices have remained the same as last season.

It really isn’t. They can call it whatever they like but we all know its a single tiered tin can.

[MountcastleHibs]

I still can’t understand why they’ve not used one of their PPV games?

I had wondered if they weren’t going to move it for PPV because we won’t be able to do that for the game in December as it’s live on Sky. Maybe some sort of agreement between the clubs since we also won’t be able to profit from PPV?

[LewysGot2]

No really, if we monitor the ones we do sell ourselves…..

Which has been the case for Killie, Aberdeen and Hearts away. Motherwell were the only ones who sold directly so far? :agree:

Add in all 3 away European ties that’s 6 out of 7 so far sold by Hibs

[Hibbyradge]

I still can’t understand why they’ve not used one of their PPV games?

Might they be keeping their PPV games for when they're away from home so their own fans can watch instead of helping Hibs fans? :dunno

[Since90+2]

Might they be keeping their PPV games for when they're away from home so their own fans can watch instead of helping Hibs fans? :dunno

Don't think that's allowed is it? It needs to be the home team I think, otherwise wouldn't we put the derby on Hibs TV?

[Hibbyradge]

Don't think that's allowed is it? It needs to be the home team I think, otherwise wouldn't we put the derby on Hibs TV?

Of course. :doh:

[LaMotta]

IIRC they said it would be monitored and they reserve the right to boot folk out if it looks like that's what they're doing.


No really, if we monitor the ones we do sell ourselves…..


Which has been the case for Killie, Aberdeen and Hearts away. Motherwell were the only ones who sold directly so far? :agree:

Add in all 3 away European ties that’s 6 out of 7 so far sold by Hibs

I wonder what percentage of games you have to miss before you might get kicked out?

Will existing Hibs First members get first dibs on renewing next year or will it be a free for all?

[Not In The Know]

I still can’t understand why they’ve not used one of their PPV games?

Incompetence most likely.

[PatHead]

They might be waiting on it being sold out.

[BoomtownHibees]

I wonder what percentage of games you have to miss before you might get kicked out?

Will existing Hibs First members get first dibs on renewing next year or will it be a free for all?

Existing will get first dibs

[B.H.F.C]

I wonder what percentage of games you have to miss before you might get kicked out?

Will existing Hibs First members get first dibs on renewing next year or will it be a free for all?

Don’t know on the first but. I think they should have specified it up front but it just all seemed to be rushed through.

On the second bit I’d think existing members will get the opportunity to renew. Was always the case on the away season ticket scheme.

[LaMotta]

Existing will get first dibs


Don’t know on the first but. I think they should have specified it up front but it just all seemed to be rushed through.

On the second bit I’d think existing members will get the opportunity to renew. Was always the case on the away season ticket scheme.

:aok::aok:

I imagine the expense of the European trips means a fair few won't have been to all the away league games.

[Danderhall Hibs]

I wonder what percentage of games you have to miss before you might get kicked out?

Will existing Hibs First members get first dibs on renewing next year or will it be a free for all?

Don’t think there’s been anything said about the number of games you can miss - in fact I wonder how much admin this would create vs adding an automated loyalty points system?

[Ringothedog]

Don’t think there’s been anything said about the number of games you can miss - in fact I wonder how much admin this would create vs adding an automated loyalty points system?

500 people paying £50 covers the admin.
Loyalty points might be better but it would be the same people who are in Hibs first that would get priority for all away games as they are the people who follow Hibs to all games. Whether it is Hibs first, AST or loyalty points the same people will always be guaranteed a ticket.

[BlackSheep]

Queue has started

[skyehibee]

Queue has started

Not for me yet?

[OstKurve Hibs]

Me neither,

[BlackSheep]

Scratch that I keep getting kicked out and re placed in the queue….

Was 2nd now I’m 57th…

I wonder if they will be doing this u til 12…n

[Hibby70]

I can't even see it listed

[OstKurve Hibs]

I can't even see it listed

Not listed on my menu either

[BlackSheep]

Every time I refresh I’m pushed further up the queue…..

[H18BYM]

Not showing for me yet...

[Hibs3-2]

Tickets arent showing yet as they go on sale at 12 haha its not difficult to understand

The queuing system seems different to usual

[OstKurve Hibs]

Tickets arent showing yet as they go on sale at 12 haha its not difficult to understand

The queuing system seems different to usual

So how can folk join the que if there's no option there ?

[Lee]

Tickets arent showing yet as they go on sale at 12 haha its not difficult to understand

The queuing system seems different to usual

Chucked me in a queue a few times already (only to let me onto the site within a minute or so) - either lots of traffic or their trying stuff out while we wait!

[BlackSheep]

Tickets arent showing yet as they go on sale at 12 haha its not difficult to understand

The queuing system seems different to usual

Yeah it seems that the queue is active but tickets obvs won’t show til 12.

This may create a better queuing system where those who log on at 12 stand as good a chance as those who are able to log on earlier.

[Hibby70]

Tickets arent showing yet as they go on sale at 12 haha its not difficult to understand

The queuing system seems different to usual

Yeah I cleared cache then got in a queue, now see the listings but it's not there yet. All a bit different to normal

[Hibs90]

I'm not even seeing a queue at all? :confused:

[CL0762]

Queue keeps dropping down.

Cba constantly logging in and out again if this is what’s happening.

[Hibs3-2]

So how can folk join the que if there's no option there ?

There is a queue cause of traffic. The queue is going down as they keep letting people in

They’ll do this until 12 i would guess. Seems pot luck

[Hibby70]

I'm not even seeing a queue at all? :confused:

Try clearing your cache - worked for me

[Ginger Gehagan]

Chucked me in a queue a few times already (only to let me onto the site within a minute or so) - either lots of traffic or their trying stuff out while we wait!

Same here, I've been in 5 different queues and keep getting into the site, different than usual

[CL0762]

Does this mean at 12 we just hit refresh and then whoever’s quickest gets the ticket? I’m in the listings now but don’t want to refresh if it’s going to boot me right out again.

[skyehibee]

Still no queue at all for me even logged out my account multiple times.

[Hibs90]

Try clearing your cache - worked for me

Nope, still letting me right in :confused:

[FifeHibs]

Keeps taking me to ticketmaster 🤷

[Hibby70]

Don't refresh too much. I got the catchpa which wasn't fully visible on my phone 😂

[Lee]

Nope, still letting me right in :confused:

I've cleared cache files on all devices and still letting me in too - the queue queue isn't switched on yet if they're going down the usual route I think....

[Hibby70]

Think the queue was just a holding one for the site rather than the tickets themselves

[.Sean.]

Far fairer way of doing it than an online que. I missed out for Aston Villa despite being 1000 in the que then heard of multiple folk buying 5 tickets.

[.Sean.]

I've cleared cache files on all devices and still letting me in too - the queue queue isn't switched on yet if they're going down the usual route I think....
I’m getting straight in on a laptop and iPad neither of which I’ve been on the Hibs ticketing site with before

[Lee]

I’m getting straight in on a laptop and iPad neither of which I’ve been on the Hibs ticketing site with before

Yeah, definitely switched it up this time vs. how it usually works.

Agree it's a fairer way - see what happens in 13min I suppose!

[Hibby70]

I'm hoping for a "just sit anywhere" option.

Think I'll be disappointed

[Leithenhibby]

I'm in a Q - 579

[hibsforeurope]

The que seems to have started but entry to the site is before 12. Likely get kicked out before tickets appear.
They should shut the site down and only
Let people in once tickets are up to buy.

[skyehibee]

I’m in now but unsure if they just kick me at 12 and I’ll be back of the queue again.

[MKHIBEE]

Hearts game not on my list of events

[Lee]

One device in a queue and other device in and able to look through all ticket options, even when I refresh the page.....ah, this is such a fun process :faf:

[Hibby70]

I'm in but no seats 😡

[Lee]

I'm in but no seats 😡

Option won't appear until 12:00

[Hibby70]

I have the option but trying for 1 seat and there's none

[CL0762]

No seats available?

[7Hero]

nae seats avilable

[Wavy]

Done and dusted.
Tickets appeared at 11:58?

[dp00]

Booom


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[CL0762]

Done and dusted.
Tickets appeared at 11:58?

😂😂😂 what an absolute shambles

[Hibs90]

I’m in now but unsure if they just kick me at 12 and I’ll be back of the queue again.

Hopefully not, as I am in on 4 different browsers :greengrin

The system is a joke tbh. Site should be offline until 12pm and that should be that.

[skyehibee]

They appeared at 11:58 I was already in the site and got them then.

[BigKev]

No seats available?

Same

[Hibby70]

Got in , no seats , now back in a queue.

Usual nonsense

[wookie70]

Two tickets secured. They like to keep us on out toes with a different way of selling each time

[7Hero]

They appeared at 11:58 I was already in the site and got them then.

i was in well before refreshing like daft in queues and still zero.

oh well

[CL0762]

I’m getting the block option to choose from but saying no seats found on the right

[Keepthefaith]

Got in really easily and now have 2 seats, first time ever at the away derby, absolutely buzzing!

[wookie70]

They appeared at 11:58 I was already in the site and got them then. Yep, same here. I noticed as they appeared and could choose pretty much every section for two tickets

[MartinfaePorty]

1 ticket appeared after multiple refreshes, then disappeared again!

Not giving up hope, as this is what happened last time and I got 2 tickets about 1/2 hour later than when they went on sale.

[Cammy]

Done and dusted.
Tickets appeared at 11:58?

Yeah, they did for me too. :thumbsup:

[hfc-1875]

Got in the queue at 11.55 got on at 11.59 tickets bought and off for 12.02. First time I’ve bought tynie tickets without a hassle

[Lee]

Process is brutal....every time it's an 1hr plus of life wasted faffing about!

Are the lower tier tickets even up yet??

[DickieDastardly]

What a complete shambles, got in at 11.58 and continually said no tickets available.

[Hibs90]

Process is brutal....every time it's an 1hr plus of life wasted faffing about!

Are the lower tier tickets even up yet??

Everything gone within a minute or two. There might still be some in peoples baskets that expire, so keep refreshing and you never know.

[007]

1 ticket appeared after multiple refreshes, then disappeared again!

Not giving up hope, as this is what happened last time and I got 2 tickets about 1/2 hour later than when they went on sale.

Same happened to me. Switched it to 2 tickets, none. Then none when switched it back to 1.

[Lee]

Everything gone within a minute or two. There might still be some in peoples baskets that expire, so keep refreshing and you never know.

Nah, I'm not convinced they're all gone tbh (this happened last time too with batches being added later).....pain in the derrier tbh!

[matty_f]

What a complete shambles, got in at 11.58 and continually said no tickets available.

Same here.

[.Sean.]

I was on the site at twenty five to 12 and kept refreshing so I never got logged out. Got one bang on 12

Not had one single other ticket pop up since tho, been refreshing for my brother in law

[Silversand]

Got 2 tickets Block L :thumbsup:

[Lee]

Anyone got any other than Upper H & M sections?

Edit - scrap that lol

[Hibs3-2]

Hibs really need to sort this. The last system was okay - you got a positioj in the queue and you knew where you stood

Villa was a shambles as even those at front of queue never got a chance to buy before the site let everyone in

Then today was total pot luck whether you were in or not by 12 - complete guess work

Absolute shambles.

[Cammy]

Still ones there, I refreshed and another one popped up.

[Pretty Boy]

I just have been lucky. Went to the site at 11.50, was in a queue, got in at 11.58 and was checked out by 12.02 with 2 tickets.

Tbh I never have any real issue getting tickets for high demand games. I find the trick is not to get into the site too early. Sometime between 10 and 20 minutes before the sales starts seems the sweet spot for not getting in and kicked out and not being too far back in the queue.

[matty_f]

I just have been lucky. Went to the site at 11.50, was in a queue, got in at 11.58 and was checked out by 12.02 with 2 tickets.

Tbh I never have any real issue getting tickets for high demand games. I find the trick is not to get into the site too early. Sometime between 10 and 20 minutes before the sales starts seems the sweet spot for not getting in and kicked out and not being too far back in the queue.
That’s pretty much what i did but without any tickets being available.

[CapitalGreen]

I think lots of tickets will start appearing from now as incomplete baskets begin to expire.

[Cammy]

I just have been lucky. Went to the site at 11.50, was in a queue, got in at 11.58 and was checked out by 12.02 with 2 tickets.

Tbh I never have any real issue getting tickets for high demand games. I find the trick is not to get into the site too early. Sometime between 10 and 20 minutes before the sales starts seems the sweet spot for not getting in and kicked out and not being too far back in the queue.

This time was a bit different, I was logged in and refreshing the events page. At 11.58 it changed from 30 events to 31 and there was the Hearts game added. It never kicked me out.

[Hibby70]

Managed to get one after the refresh game kicked in. Got lower which I'd be happy to swap for an upper if anyone wants to (I'll pay the extra obviously)
.

[Pretty Boy]

This time was a bit different, I was logged in and refreshing the events page. At 11.58 it changed from 30 events to 31 and there was the Hearts game added. It never kicked me out.

Obviously just luck on my side then. I was pretty relaxed as, selfish as it sounds, I'm not going and was getting for 2 other ST holders in my network so I wasn't as stressed as I might have been.

I broadly agree the system needs looked at though, one of these days I'll be the one missing out so I'm not going to say it's perfect just because I'm usually lucky. It clearly isn't.

[DickieDastardly]

Still ones there, I refreshed and another one popped up.

I just put one back, single ticket no use. Was trying from 11.30.

get back to the old postal ballot days.... :greengrin

[Superfurry72]

Managed to get one after the refresh game kicked in. Got lower which I'd be happy to swap for an upper if anyone wants to (I'll pay the extra obviously)
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I got lower too. I wouldn't sweat it, so many of the young team congregate in those seats that it's easy to find some spares higher up.

[Vini1875]

Got 1 ticket at 12.30pm. Perserverance

[givescotlandfreedom]

Not a sausage. Got in about 6.55

[OstKurve Hibs]

What a pile of tam kite, loyalty points required for those outside the hibs first membership.

[.Sean.]

I got another one at 1235 after half hour of non stop refreshing

[Radium]

two single tickets picked up at 12:29 and 12:46.

I do think that loyalty points would be a better solution but if that is not going to be palatable, it may be worth considering a ballot for these tickets. I have managed to make time in my work day and simply continuing to click refresh for 40 minutes got me tickets (with a couple of bot checks thrown in). For some people that will not be an option.

[Glasgowhibby95]

I got in around 11:35 and the tickets became available at 11:58. Got the 4 for our party no bother.

Very similar situation to the previous derby at Tynie where I got zilch. The inconsistency of the system is ridiculous.

[BigKev]

I got another one at 1235 after half hour of non stop refreshing

I got one about the same time… I’d been on since about 11:50. Kept bringing up a section then saying there was no seats so I refreshed and same thing happened a few times.

Come half 12 I just kept hitting the block M message rather than refreshing the whole page and got one in a few minutes.

[West lower]

I got in, put 2 tickets in basket. Then when I went to assign my son to second ticket it wouldn’t allow me to although he is in my assign group. Yet again the system has let us down. Well done to those who succeeded in the usual ticket farce.

[Benny Brazil]

The system in place is a shambles and needs reviewed. Was logged in about 15mins before, then the event showed up, got in and 4 or 5 times it came up with a section to click on but no seats available to select.
Multiple refreshes over an hour and nothing.

[matty_f]

The system in place is a shambles and needs reviewed. Was logged in about 15mins before, then the event showed up, got in and 4 or 5 times it came up with a section to click on but no seats available to select.
Multiple refreshes over an hour and nothing.

Yeah, it’s a very frustrating process if you’re not one of the ones for whom it worked seamlessly.


That’s it off sale now on the website as well so presumably sold out.

[Lee]

Event looks like it's been removed now on the site (back down to 30 results again in the "all tickets" section) so assume everything is 100% sold out now.

Edit - Sorry @Matty, didn't see your post above!

[erin go bragh]

Joined the queue at 11.45 and got through at 11.55, had to wait until tickets became available at 12 and after a few no tickets available, managed to get two 👏 makes a change as I usually get hee haw

[Fratelli]

Yeah, it’s a very frustrating process if you’re not one of the ones for whom it worked seamlessly.


That’s it off sale now on the website as well so presumably sold out.

I was trying for tickets after a gym class and eventually gave up at 12:45…arrived home, refreshed the ticket page on my mobile and secured a single ticket at 13:07…:confused:

[Danderhall Hibs]

500 people paying £50 covers the admin.
Loyalty points might be better but it would be the same people who are in Hibs first that would get priority for all away games as they are the people who follow Hibs to all games. Whether it is Hibs first, AST or loyalty points the same people will always be guaranteed a ticket.

They should sell more of them. As many as they can. Loads of £50s.

[.Sean.]

I got one about the same time… I’d been on since about 11:50. Kept bringing up a section then saying there was no seats so I refreshed and same thing happened a few times.

Come half 12 I just kept hitting the block M message rather than refreshing the whole page and got one in a few minutes.
Exactly what I done. Refreshed the actual block

[Danderhall Hibs]

Could do the pre register thing that the big acts like Taylor Swift and Olivia Rodrigo now. You have to say you want to go then they do a lucky dip and tell you if you can try and get tickets or if you’re in the waiting list. Think it’s due to ticketmaster being absolutely ***** and not being able to cope with demand.

[PHeffernan]

The system in place is a shambles and needs reviewed. Was logged in about 15mins before, then the event showed up, got in and 4 or 5 times it came up with a section to click on but no seats available to select.
Multiple refreshes over an hour and nothing.

Bottom line is whatever system is in place the same number of folk will be disappointed.
Less than 3,000 tickets for 11,000 season ticket holders can never keep everyone happy.

The fairest system for me would be for all season ticket holders to be able to attend one away derby a season. So if you managed to get a ticket today your customer number wouldn't work for the second away derby of the season.
That would give almost 6,000 different season ticket holders a chance of a ticket to attend an away derby each season which is far more than can attend under the current free for all.

[marinello59]

That really was different today, rather than waiting to get on they seemed to use the queues that did form to get rid of the mega early sign in attempts so it became a bit of a free for all. It is a lottery though, I’m more than happy to accept that.

[SickBoy32]

Said it before but loyalty points is absolutely the answer

Loyalty points based purely on attendance too, I should add - this worked perfectly well under Dempster, until they allowed a £££ donation to HSL to trump actual match attendance pts

Pretty much every other similar sized club operates this, baffles me why we don't ?

Hibs First is a total nonsense IMO, Tory scheme.

Hats off to those who were previously part of the AST (again not a great system IMO), some commitment that was!

[Since90+2]

Hibs first won't exist in it's current format next year IMO, if it does it will be a lot more than £50 for the season.

[wookie70]

The first rule about getting a ticket for high demand games is ignore everything the club says. Don't assume noon means 12 o'clock or sold out means no tickets left. Next is cover your options with different devices. Today was very different to normal but if you had prepared you would likely have had your ticket in your basket before the official go live time. Loyalty points are needed but it suits me the way they do it

[Danderhall Hibs]

Said it before but loyalty points is absolutely the answer

Loyalty points based purely on attendance too, I should add - this worked perfectly well under Dempster, until they allowed a £££ donation to HSL to trump actual match attendance pts

Pretty much every other similar sized club operates this, baffles me why we don't ?

Hibs First is a total nonsense IMO, Tory scheme.

Hats off to those who were previously part of the AST (again not a great system IMO), some commitment that was!

The HSL thing didn’t even matter in the end did it - no one lost out due to it. Just another thing that was used to beat the club into submission to get rid of loyalty points.

[Ringothedog]

Hibs first won't exist in it's current format next year IMO, if it does it will be a lot more than £50 for the season.

Why won’t it exist in its current format next season?

[Danderhall Hibs]

Why won’t it exist in its current format next season?

They’ll put the price up. Folk will have seen the value in it. - £100 to guarantee 2 derby tickets. You’re not tied into buying the other away games so only the £100 outlay - many will think it’s worth it to save all the farting about on derby ticket day.

They could sell more than 500 - makes sense to go to 2000 @ £100 a pop. Good money spinner.

[Since90+2]

Why won’t it exist in its current format next season?

Because it's blatantly,IMO atleast, a silly thing to have. Pay £50 for access to any game you like without any commitment to actually have to buy a ticket.

If it does, as I said, they'll increase the cost considerably.

[SickBoy32]

The HSL thing didn’t even matter in the end did it - no one lost out due to it. Just another thing that was used to beat the club into submission to get rid of loyalty points.

Can't really remember the specifics, but pretty sure that the pts awarded for a HSL donation was totally disproportionate to how many pts you got for attending a game. I think it was in the ball park of 3-5 pts for attending a game, and something ridiculous like 100 pts for a donation. Just allowed those financially better off to skip the entire queue ahead of people who had been trailing round Alloa, Dumbarton etc.

Not sure it's accurate to say nobody lost out to it either, but water under the bridge anyway.

Loyalty points must come in IMO, anything else is just bonkers - forget all this about raising revenue for the club that's a red herring.

If loyalty pts had been in place for the recent Raith game in the cup, very confident that'd have added a few thousand to the crowd at least. Makes the £25k (pre tax) from Hibs First look like the small fry that it is

[Ringothedog]

Let’s not kid ourselves, the only people who are unhappy are those that did not get a ticket. I can understand that.
Hibs First guarantees a ticket for all away games. It has its failings but works well. All AST members from last season got priority to buy this membership it was then opened up to ALL season ticket holders to purchase.
The AST scheme was expensive and meant you had to purchase a ticket for games you might not be able to make. The Hibs First scheme resolves that issue by allowing you to miss SOME games. Hibs have confirmed they will monitor this.
Loyalty points are great until groups of people want to go together but cannot get the tickets they want until the person in the group with the lowest points can purchase tickets.
All of them have their flaws and I can guarantee people would still be unhappy regardless of what system we have.
I should add that with all systems I have had no issues as I always got a ticket because my points were high, I was in AST or Hibs First

[SickBoy32]

They’ll put the price up. Folk will have seen the value in it. - £100 to guarantee 2 derby tickets. You’re not tied into buying the other away games so only the £100 outlay - many will think it’s worth it to save all the farting about on derby ticket day.

They could sell more than 500 - makes sense to go to 2000 @ £100 a pop. Good money spinner.

Would selling 2k Hibs First memberships, not drastically decrease the value of a ST? Would pretty much wipe out the chance of an away ticket for the OF, Hearts and Aberdeen

Not meaning to pick on you here, btw :greengrin

[Danderhall Hibs]

Would selling 2k Hibs First memberships, not drastically decrease the value of a ST? Would pretty much wipe out the chance of an away ticket for the OF, Hearts and Aberdeen

Not meaning to pick on you here, btw :greengrin

Club would need to balance that off. personally think folk would continue to buy STs - there’d be some complaints at the start but we’d get used to it. Same when the Albion Bar came about - some complaints, sold out, waiting list, upped the price and sold out again.

We’d see comments like “the ST is to support the club and guarantee you the same seat every week”

[.Sean.]

Would selling 2k Hibs First memberships, not drastically decrease the value of a ST? Would pretty much wipe out the chance of an away ticket for the OF, Hearts and Aberdeen

Not meaning to pick on you here, btw :greengrin
You need a season ticket to join Hibs First

[Ringothedog]

Would selling 2k Hibs First memberships, not drastically decrease the value of a ST? Would pretty much wipe out the chance of an away ticket for the OF, Hearts and Aberdeen

Not meaning to pick on you here, btw :greengrin

It would and it will never happen. Loyalty points would work if we had a bigger core away support. The only time there is an issue is for tickets at Tynie. No other game causes issues.

[Danderhall Hibs]

It would and it will never happen. Loyalty points would work if we had a bigger core away support. The only time there is an issue is for tickets at Tynie. No other game causes issues.

If we’re doing well there’s a scramble for Ibrox as well.

[OstKurve Hibs]

They’ll put the price up. Folk will have seen the value in it. - £100 to guarantee 2 derby tickets. You’re not tied into buying the other away games so only the £100 outlay - many will think it’s worth it to save all the farting about on derby ticket day.

They could sell more than 500 - makes sense to go to 2000 @ £100 a pop. Good money spinner.

Makes sense my arse, why should we have to pay for the privilege of getting a ticket, get loyalty points going again, then the most loyal supporters get 1st dibs, hence rewarding loyalty, not paying for the it.

[Ringothedog]

If we’re doing well there’s a scramble for Ibrox as well.

But very rarely. The issues are with the sale of tickets for one game. The others are easy to get tickets for. As an example I wonder how much of a scramble there will be for Ross County away on 23/12/23 😁

[nonshinyfinish]

They could sell more than 500 - makes sense to go to 2000 @ £100 a pop. Good money spinner.

What do they do if all 2000 members want a ticket for Ibrox or Parkhead?

[CallumLaidlaw]

What do they do if all 2000 members want a ticket for Ibrox or Parkhead?

Exactly. Hibs first is meant to guarantee you a ticket to these games.


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[BoomtownHibees]

They’ll put the price up. Folk will have seen the value in it. - £100 to guarantee 2 derby tickets. You’re not tied into buying the other away games so only the £100 outlay - many will think it’s worth it to save all the farting about on derby ticket day.

They could sell more than 500 - makes sense to go to 2000 @ £100 a pop. Good money spinner.

It’s set at the restricted number for a reason

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Said it before but loyalty points is absolutely the answer

Loyalty points based purely on attendance too.

Continues to be the common sense solution.

[LaMotta]

To say Tynie away is the only "scramble" isn't right. We have already had 2 scrambles this season (Luzern and Villa away). Ibrox can be a scramble, Celtic Park has been in the past (I've sat in home ends at both grounds a number of times because away end sold out).

Also away cup games at smaller grounds can be scrambles depending on who we draw. If we have something to play for end of season league wise then there could be more scrambles at other grounds.

Loyalty points regulates the scrambles fairly (win for loyal fans), and also incentivises people to go to home cup games (win for club).

[percy veer]

Because it's blatantly,IMO atleast, a silly thing to have. Pay £50 for access to any game you like without any commitment to actually have to buy a ticket.

If it does, as I said, they'll increase the cost considerably.


At least this format makes the club money or covers the admin, the away season ticket made no money for the club actually cost the club money.

[Danderhall Hibs]

What do they do if all 2000 members want a ticket for Ibrox or Parkhead?

Ballot. Change the T&Cs to reflect it. Not everyone uses all the tickets anyway - just the derbies so likely to be ok.

[percy veer]

Ballot. Change the T&Cs to reflect it. Not everyone uses all the tickets anyway - just the derbies so likely to be ok.

Regretting you never joined ?

[Since90+2]

At least this format makes the club money or covers the admin, the away season ticket made no money for the club actually cost the club money.

They'd make money off loyalty points though. Maybe not a huge amount but certainly more than Hibs First.

They'll either introduce loyalty points or vastly increase Hibs First cost next season, probably along with a minimum purchase commitment built in IMO.

[percy veer]

They'd make money off loyalty points though. Maybe not a huge amount but certainly more than Hibs First.

They'll either introduce loyalty points or vastly increase Hibs First cost next season, probably along with a minimum purchase commitment built in IMO.

Why would they put in a minimum purchase agreement, hibs have the money not sure they would be too bothered if no one bothered giving the other teams money.

[SteveHFC]

Exactly. Hibs first is meant to guarantee you a ticket to these games.


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if i remember right when they started hibs first Ben said it was set at 500 because of the capacity/allocations at stadiums around scotland and if we got a cup draw with a smaller allocation than 500 it would need to be a ballot

[greenlex]

They need a loyalty scheme within the Hibs first scheme.

[SteveHFC]

They'd make money off loyalty points though. Maybe not a huge amount but certainly more than Hibs First.

They'll either introduce loyalty points or vastly increase Hibs First cost next season, probably along with a minimum purchase commitment built in IMO.

been a member since loyalty points, AST and now Hibs First and one thing i will say its mostly the same folk that are still in the scheme and will continue to be first in line as no way the club will reset the the membership

[SteveHFC]

:thumbsup:
They need a loyalty scheme within the Hibs first scheme.

[Carheenlea]

The Loyalty Point system worked well. Those who attended most regularly were given first chance for the most high demand fixtures. It didn’t need to be complicated.

There hasn’t been a better suggestion since it was disbanded.

[Ringothedog]

been a member since loyalty points, AST and now Hibs First and one thing i will say its mostly the same folk that are still in the scheme and will continue to be first in line as no way the club will reset the the membership

Exactly.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Regretting you never joined ?

I’m not eligible this season - just don’t think it’s a fair option. It’s all about the money - if that’s what they want and we’re happy with make it bigger and more expensive.

[LewysGot2]

been a member since loyalty points, AST and now Hibs First and one thing i will say its mostly the same folk that are still in the scheme and will continue to be first in line as no way the club will reset the the membership

Same and agree. You see the same faces week in, week out.

Yet, at Tynecastle and at Villa we met non-STHs we know. Go figure, eh?

[GreenCastle]

The Loyalty Point system worked well. Those who attended most regularly were given first chance for the most high demand fixtures. It didn’t need to be complicated.

There hasn’t been a better suggestion since it was disbanded.

It was pretty effective but had a few issues..

Some games loyalty points weren’t awarded. For example a semi final at Hampden which didn’t sell out.

I didn’t like how you could buy tickets for friends or other Hibs fans and you wouldn’t get any points. Surely even a small reward for helping lapsed fans etc.

The scheme would have to reset or have a cull every few years or the those with most points just getting even more points and would never allow others to attend away games / other games if high demand.

Loyalty points still wouldn’t stop non ST holders getting tickets for high demand games. Only ID checks would stop that.

[Jay]

The Loyalty Point system worked well. Those who attended most regularly were given first chance for the most high demand fixtures. It didn’t need to be complicated.

There hasn’t been a better suggestion since it was disbanded.


I think the question is should those who are able financially and available to go to more away fixtures be entitled to a guaranteed ticket for high demand games. It gets to the point the a season ticket will have no real value if they aren't given an even playing field for these games . I think people confuse more dedicated with able to go. People who go to loads of away games arent more dedicated than most, their life just allows it for now. A season ticket should be dedication enough to be in with a fair chance imo. Hibs first is an odd scheme and I'd be surprised if its repeated although I'd imagine because of the outcry it would cause the club will come up with something .

[B.H.F.C]

I’m not eligible this season - just don’t think it’s a fair option. It’s all about the money - if that’s what they want and we’re happy with make it bigger and more expensive.

If you make it bigger which, in turn, removes the guarantee of a ticket for every game whilst at the same time making it more expensive, I don’t see it being a big seller.

It caters for and rewards the relatively small number of people who pretty much never miss a game.

[marinello59]

I think the question is should those who are able financially and available to go to more away fixtures be entitled to a guaranteed ticket for high demand games. It gets to the point the a season ticket will have no real value if they aren't given an even playing field for these games . I think people confuse more dedicated with able to go. People who go to loads of away games arent more dedicated than most, their life just allows it for now. A season ticket should be dedication enough to be in with a fair chance imo. Hibs first is an odd scheme and I'd be surprised if its repeated although I'd imagine because of the outcry it would cause the club will come up with something .

Spot on. When loyalty points were running I was lucky enough to be in the top tier. I wasn’t any more dedicated than other ST holders, I was in a privileged position. This season I’d be in the top tier again based on attendance, that doesn’t make me any more entitled to a Derby ticket then any other season ticket holder. I’ve just been lucky enough to go to all the games I wanted to. The system is fine as it is, occasionally we will miss out on games we want to attend.

[Itsnoteasy]

Same and agree. You see the same faces week in, week out.

Yet, at Tynecastle and at Villa we met non-STHs we know. Go figure, eh?

Not difficult to figure out. Mates with season tix getting them for mates as they don't want to go. Or buying of season tix for an increased cost.

[matty_f]

I think the question is should those who are able financially and available to go to more away fixtures be entitled to a guaranteed ticket for high demand games. It gets to the point the a season ticket will have no real value if they aren't given an even playing field for these games . I think people confuse more dedicated with able to go. People who go to loads of away games arent more dedicated than most, their life just allows it for now. A season ticket should be dedication enough to be in with a fair chance imo. Hibs first is an odd scheme and I'd be surprised if its repeated although I'd imagine because of the outcry it would cause the club will come up with something .

Well said. I think painting folk as more loyal because their circumstances allow them to do something that they fundamentally want to do as something they enjoy as more loyal than folk who can’t is just outright wrong, and I think it’s unfair that those that get to go to all the games they want to should get dibs over folk who might have to pick and choose when they can go and so naturally want to try and experience a derby etc.

[CallumLaidlaw]

It was pretty effective but had a few issues..

Some games loyalty points weren’t awarded. For example a semi final at Hampden which didn’t sell out.

I didn’t like how you could buy tickets for friends or other Hibs fans and you wouldn’t get any points. Surely even a small reward for helping lapsed fans etc.

The scheme would have to reset or have a cull every few years or the those with most points just getting even more points and would never allow others to attend away games / other games if high demand.

Loyalty points still wouldn’t stop non ST holders getting tickets for high demand games. Only ID checks would stop that.

Possibly the only games that loyalty points shouldn’t be awarded is tynecastle.

I don’t think you should be rewarded further for buying friends tickets - surely they’d be better getting the points for themselves anyway.

I think a rolling 12-18 months would be the best way of making sure folk can work their way into the top bracket.


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[3pm]

Well said. I think painting folk as more loyal because their circumstances allow them to do something that they fundamentally want to do as something they enjoy as more loyal than folk who can’t is just outright wrong, and I think it’s unfair that those that get to go to all the games they want to should get dibs over folk who might have to pick and choose when they can go and so naturally want to try and experience a derby etc.

I don't disagree but I'd say that people who go to away games may prioritise going to the football over a Sky subscription for example. I don't think it should be assumed that all people who go to away games haven't cut back elsewhere.

[Baldy Foghorn]

Well said. I think painting folk as more loyal because their circumstances allow them to do something that they fundamentally want to do as something they enjoy as more loyal than folk who can’t is just outright wrong, and I think it’s unfair that those that get to go to all the games they want to should get dibs over folk who might have to pick and choose when they can go and so naturally want to try and experience a derby etc.


I think it's unfair that those who go every week, at considerable cost and effort, because that's what they are all about, and always have been, should miss out. Every club in the land recognises it's supporters who are there no matter what.

[B.H.F.C]

I don't disagree but I'd say that people who go to away games may prioritise going to the football over a Sky subscription for example. I don't think it should be assumed that all people who go to away games haven't cut back elsewhere.

Equally, I don’t think it should be assumed that people who don’t go aren’t going because the can’t. For many it’ll be a personal choice and that’s fine, that’s up the them. But that’s where the call for a loyalty scheme comes in.

[Baldy Foghorn]

Equally, I don’t think it should be assumed that people who don’t go aren’t going because the can’t. For many it’ll be a personal choice and that’s fine, that’s up the them. But that’s where the call for a loyalty scheme comes in.


Indeed, we all know folk that can go, but can't be arsed in reality. I've had people saying, how can you be bothered going to Dingwall, to watch that c*ap? Eh, because that is what a supporter does.

[Jay]

I don't disagree but I'd say that people who go to away games may prioritise going to the football over a Sky subscription for example. I don't think it should be assumed that all people who go to away games haven't cut back elsewhere.

My son starts work at 6am on a Saturday. He jumps in the car and gets to ER usually just after KO. Parking is a nightmare but it's still the quickest way in for him. He does this for every 3pm sat home game. He makes Livingston and Tynecastle but no chance he can get to anywhere else. Surely hes entitled to try for a Derby ticket? Dedication cant really be measured and allocated to tickets .

[Jay]

Equally, I don’t think it should be assumed that people who don’t go aren’t going because the can’t. For many it’ll be a personal choice and that’s fine, that’s up the them. But that’s where the call for a loyalty scheme comes in.


So do you have to explain your absence? Or is it just assumed you don't want to go so you get zero points. This is why a loyalty scheme doesn't work. It rewards one set of fans. It puts pressure on others

[Trinity Hibee]

So do you have to explain your absence? Or is it just assumed you don't want to go so you get zero points. This is why a loyalty scheme doesn't work. It rewards one set of fans. It puts pressure on others

But there isn’t a system that suits everyone so surely the best system rewards those that support the club at games the most?

[SteveHFC]

I think it's unfair that those who go every week, at considerable cost and effort, because that's what they are all about, and always have been, should miss out. Every club in the land recognises it's supporters who are there no matter what.


:thumbsup: :top marks

[Jay]

But there isn’t a system that suits everyone so surely the best system rewards those that support the club at games the most?

Or just have a system that puts all season ticket holders in the same boat and all get a fair chance?

[wookie70]

So do you have to explain your absence? Or is it just assumed you don't want to go so you get zero points. This is why a loyalty scheme doesn't work. It rewards one set of fans. It puts pressure on others

It rewards one set of fans for their loyalty(in this instance defined by attendance at games) by awarding loyalty points. Not that tricky a concept really and by far the best way of doing ticketing. I would describe a scheme like we had as encouraging attendance rather than putting pressure on to attend. There is far more pressure and time wasted now that we don't have such a scheme.

[3pm]

My son starts work at 6am on a Saturday. He jumps in the car and gets to ER usually just after KO. Parking is a nightmare but it's still the quickest way in for him. He does this for every 3pm sat home game. He makes Livingston and Tynecastle but no chance he can get to anywhere else. Surely hes entitled to try for a Derby ticket? Dedication cant really be measured and allocated to tickets .

Not sure if you quoted the right post mate because I haven't suggested anyone can't try for a ticket. 😁

[Mikey_1875]

Or just have a system that puts all season ticket holders in the same boat and all get a fair chance?

Why should Season ticket holders get priority over those who can’t afford an ST but still want to go to a derby? Not being flippant but you are making the same argument as an AST holder would make just with the line drawn in a different place.

[wookie70]

Spot on. When loyalty points were running I was lucky enough to be in the top tier. I wasn’t any more dedicated than other ST holders, I was in a privileged position. This season I’d be in the top tier again based on attendance, that doesn’t make me any more entitled to a Derby ticket then any other season ticket holder. I’ve just been lucky enough to go to all the games I wanted to. The system is fine as it is, occasionally we will miss out on games we want to attend. Why should season ticket holders be viewed as more dedicated than those who don't go to any games.

[B.H.F.C]

So do you have to explain your absence? Or is it just assumed you don't want to go so you get zero points. This is why a loyalty scheme doesn't work. It rewards one set of fans. It puts pressure on others

Naw you don’t need to explain anything. If you go you get points, if you don’t you don’t. There is no foolproof method that covers every single eventuality.

For me, it’s a fairly straightforward concept. People who are there every week should continue to be offered priority. I’m fine with the current system as it looks after me but I think a loyalty scheme looks after more.

[LewysGot2]

Not difficult to figure out. Mates with season tix getting them for mates as they don't want to go. Or buying of season tix for an increased cost.

It was a rhetorical question 😉

[Jay]

It rewards one set of fans for their loyalty(in this instance defined by attendance at games) by awarding loyalty points. Not that tricky a concept really and by far the best way of doing ticketing. I would describe a scheme like we had as encouraging attendance rather than putting pressure on to attend. There is far more pressure and time wasted now that we don't have such a scheme.


I'll agree to disagree. Devaluing the season ticket is a slippery slope for the club imo. I'm very unstressed in that if we don't get tickets then we don't get tickets but I'd like a fair crack of the whip. I remember stressing about loyalty points and trying g to stay in the top tier for Derby tickets and hampden tickets. I remember people buying away tickets just for points and not going to games.

When it comes to it we will never please everybody . Those who go to most away games feel they should get priority, ST holders feel devalued and walk ups chap their pals making everybody angry :greengrin

[Jay]

Why should Season ticket holders get priority over those who can’t afford an ST but still want to go to a derby? Not being flippant but you are making the same argument as an AST holder would make just with the line drawn in a different place.


Your right. It's part of the package though and I think if it was removed ST sales would drop. Can you imagine how ticketmaster would cope with more folk online ? :greengrin A two tiered ST is really what people want with loyalty points . I'm not sure I'd bother, I'd pay as I go personally.

[LaMotta]

I think it's unfair that those who go every week, at considerable cost and effort, because that's what they are all about, and always have been, should miss out. Every club in the land recognises it's supporters who are there no matter what.


Equally, I don’t think it should be assumed that people who don’t go aren’t going because the can’t. For many it’ll be a personal choice and that’s fine, that’s up the them. But that’s where the call for a loyalty scheme comes in.

:agree::agree:

If loyalty points were to come back I think we'd find a lot of people's circumstances would change in suddenly allowing them to go to more away games.

Its part of the reason Hearts usually take a fairly sizeable away support to games.

We'd also have added several thousand to the Raith Rovers league cup gate at ER.

[Jay]

Not sure if you quoted the right post mate because I haven't suggested anyone can't try for a ticket. ��


Sorry I wasn't clear, you were pointing out money factors, I agree some people will make sacrifices. I was showing theres more than money involved though

[marinello59]

Why should season ticket holders be viewed as more dedicated than those who don't go to any games.


Any argument on here will have a bit of inconsistency. I can only salute you for highlighting where it occurs in mine. :greengrin

[matty_f]

I think it's unfair that those who go every week, at considerable cost and effort, because that's what they are all about, and always have been, should miss out. Every club in the land recognises it's supporters who are there no matter what.

Not having that mate, folk choose to go because they want to it, it’s not and never has been a job or an obligation. It shouldn’t give them special status for big games. The considerable cost and effort is to do something they enjoy and actively want to do.

Anyway, think this is at risk of turning into an uberfan debate and I’m sure none of us can be bothered with that so I’ll respectfully agree to disagree, i don’t see anyone changing their opinion on this and that’s fine, both are valid.

[Gloucester Hibs]

Can anyone recall, when we did have loyalty points did it ever reach a point where some ST holders had zero chance of derby tickets?

Because that would be a situation we’d want to avoid if we reintroduced them as It would devalue the ST IMO.

[Baldy Foghorn]

Not having that mate, folk choose to go because they want to it, it’s not and never has been a job or an obligation. It shouldn’t give them special status for big games. The considerable cost and effort is to do something they enjoy and actively want to do.

Anyway, think this is at risk of turning into an uberfan debate and I’m sure none of us can be bothered with that so I’ll respectfully agree to disagree, i don’t see anyone changing their opinion on this and that’s fine, both are valid.

Not an obligation, but if someone has devoted their time to following the team play every week, they don't deserve to be rewarded?

This place is mad, every time we play the mutants, the same guff appears...... Doubt there will be the same baloney for Dingwall

[Baldy Foghorn]

Can anyone recall, when we did have loyalty points did it ever reach a point where some ST holders had zero chance of derby tickets?

Because that would be a situation we’d want to avoid if we reintroduced them as It would devalue the ST IMO.

I'd assume so, if you never went away, you wouldn't have any points, bar the ST points

[marinello59]

I think it's unfair that those who go every week, at considerable cost and effort, because that's what they are all about, and always have been, should miss out. Every club in the land recognises it's supporters who are there no matter what.

Sorry, I have to disagree. I’m lucky to go to as many games as I do. I know plenty of others who would do the same but can’t. I don’t deserve rewarded for being able to do what I love doing. If I miss out occasionally on big games I can live with it.

[matty_f]

Can anyone recall, when we did have loyalty points did it ever reach a point where some ST holders had zero chance of derby tickets?

Because that would be a situation we’d want to avoid if we reintroduced them as It would devalue the ST IMO.

I think one of the things to note here is that there are very few occasions when folk who always go to games have missed out on tickets to the big games whether there’s been loyalty points, away season tickets or whatever.

It obviously happens now and again but it’s rare, there is a bit of making an industry out of something that doesn’t really need it here. There are never enough tickets for everyone at Tiny, so someone’s going to miss out, but I’d be amazed if the folk who go home and away every week have missed many away derbies over the years.

[Danderhall Hibs]

If you make it bigger which, in turn, removes the guarantee of a ticket for every game whilst at the same time making it more expensive, I don’t see it being a big seller.

It caters for and rewards the relatively small number of people who pretty much never miss a game.

Maybe I’ve gone too big. Could make the entry fee £250, or even £500, instead then if selling less than what I said. Maximise the income.

[Baldy Foghorn]

Sorry, I have to disagree. I’m lucky to go to as many games as I do. I know plenty of others who would do the same but can’t. I don’t deserve rewarded for being able to do what I love doing. If I miss out occasionally on big games I can live with it.

Disagree too, not sorry though:greengrin

[marinello59]

Disagree too, not sorry though:greengrin

:greengrin

[matty_f]

Not an obligation, but if someone has devoted their time to following the team play every week, they don't deserve to be rewarded?

This place is mad, every time we play the mutants, the same guff appears...... Doubt there will be the same baloney for Dingwall

Not guff, just a different opinion, and again I’ll respectfully agree to disagree, don’t think either of us will change our mind on it and it’s not worth the argument. :greengrin:

[B.H.F.C]

Maybe I’ve gone too big. Could make the entry fee £250, or even £500, instead then if selling less than what I said. Maximise the income.

That ain’t going to happen and rightly so.

[Danderhall Hibs]

That ain’t going to happen and rightly so.

I don’t see why not. They put a price on it and it was grabbed, possibly under priced. Supply and demand - already precedent with the Albion Bar membership.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Not an obligation, but if someone has devoted their time to following the team play every week, they don't deserve to be rewarded?

This place is mad, every time we play the mutants, the same guff appears...... Doubt there will be the same baloney for Dingwall

Hibs don’t benefit financially from away fans do they?

[B.H.F.C]

I don’t see why not. They put a price on it and it was grabbed, possibly under priced. Supply and demand - already precedent with the Albion Bar membership.

People can understand an administration charge. People aren’t going to pay the price of a season ticket, just to give them priority for a game or do, and neither they should have to.

How much did the Albion Bar increase?

[Danderhall Hibs]

People can understand an administration charge. People aren’t going to pay the price of a season ticket, just to give them priority for a game or do, and neither they should have to.

How much did the Albion Bar increase?

25% I think.

If they don’t want to they don’t have to - it’s optional. Would still be eligible through the season ticket process.

[Ringothedog]

Hibs don’t benefit financially from away fans do they?

I wonder if every other clubs supporters have the same discussions about selling tickets for away games? I highly doubt it. The Hibs first fees and admin charges will cover all the costs incurred by the ticket office with a small profit I would guess

[Danderhall Hibs]

I wonder if every other clubs supporters have the same discussions about selling tickets for away games? I highly doubt it. The Hibs first fees and admin charges will cover all the costs incurred by the ticket office with a small profit I would guess

Other clubs of our size have loyalty points so possibly not.

I think the club are missing a trick in maximising the profits from the hibs first.

[Jay]

Not an obligation, but if someone has devoted their time to following the team play every week, they don't deserve to be rewarded?

This place is mad, every time we play the mutants, the same guff appears...... Doubt there will be the same baloney for Dingwall


You make it sound like it's an unbearable effort you want rewarded for. It's a choice you make, your passion. Your reward is being there. Life isn't full of rewards for doing stuff you like.

[B.H.F.C]

You make it sound like it's an effort you want rewarded for. It's a choice you make, your passion. Your reward is being there. Life isn't full of rewards for doing stuff you like.

There are loyalty and reward schemes in loads of industries. The more you use certain things, do certain things or spend on certain things and you get a wee bit something back for it.

[Ringothedog]

Other clubs of our size have loyalty points so possibly not.

I think the club are missing a trick in maximising the profits from the hibs first.

Sometimes a football club is not about maximising profits. This is one of those times. Thankfully your opinion is never likely to happen.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Sometimes a football club is not about maximising profits. This is one of those times. Thankfully your opinion is never likely to happen.

It’s already happening mate - £50 to create a two tier system. There’s value in it and demand - would be silly not to increase the price.

[B.H.F.C]

It’s already happening mate - £50 to create a two tier system. There’s value in it and demand - would be silly not to increase the price.

If they increase it in the amounts you’re talking about all they do would be lessen demand at the same time as pissing people off.

[marinello59]

There are loyalty and reward schemes in loads of industries. The more you use certain things, do certain things or spend on certain things and you get a wee bit something back for it.

That works if you want to equate supporting your Club with being a Tesco customer. I’d like to think the two things are miles apart.

[Danderhall Hibs]

If they increase it in the amounts you’re talking about all they do would be lessen demand at the same time as pissing people off.

That’s fine - it’s optional and there’s still a route to get tickets. Those that can afford it can continue to get the benefit of it though. The less there are in the less admin required too.

[Ringothedog]

It’s already happening mate - £50 to create a two tier system. There’s value in it and demand - would be silly not to increase the price.

The £50 is an admin charge to cover the clubs costs. If the AST still existed would it be a 2 tier system or is it just because there is a charge?

You have your opinion and I have mine. There is no system that will keep everyone happy. I think Hibs first is a good idea and is working well.