Hibs v Villa

[Lago]

Good penalty, now this is embarrassing sooner the games over the better

[Pretty Boy]

Kyrie elesion

[Ryan91]

Lewis got absolutely rinsed there.

[NC1875]

We have only played 2 league games for heaven's sake and if you think St mirren and Motherwell away are ***** then your definitely not looking at things with any reality mate .

Glad you’re chuffed with our start to the season 👏🏼

[Torto7]

That was stinking tbf. Jesus

[Iain G]

Can we just not show up for the return leg 🤣

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

When was his first?

Typo sorted, grow up

[LunasBoots]

Good penalty, now this is embarrassing

Only the first leg 😶

[Aldo]

We have only played 2 league games for heaven's sake and if you think St mirren and Motherwell away are ***** then your definitely not looking at things with any reality mate .

It’s not difficult tbh.

Lose Sunday and LJ goes. It’s really that simple.

[Ryan91]

Only the first leg 😶

They'll put out the reserves for the second leg. Job done.

[cabbageandribs1875]

our club have been firsts in Scottish football for a few things


can we be the first to refuse to play the 2nd leg in a competition

[Callum_62]

Lewis got absolutely rinsed there.Yep - I can accept that tho - villa signed that boy for £19million a few years back

That can happen

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[Pretty Boy]

Can we just not show up for the return leg 🤣

They'll play the kids. We'll probably do OK down there. And I mean that.

[Vault Boy]

It’ll be double figures on aggregate.

[Stuart93]

We have only played 2 league games for heaven's sake and if you think St mirren and Motherwell away are ***** then your definitely not looking at things with any reality mate .

My ***** in our league was in comparison to villa

It doesn’t matter how many teams we’ve played, the same problem persist. Was the same in our previous euro games as well.

[James70]

We just keep giving the ball away, so naive.

[Ryan91]

Yep - I can accept that tho - villa signed that boy for £19million a few years back

That can happen

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Oh it wasn't a go at Lewis. More the boy making him look rather foolish.

[BSEJVT]

Tbh it’s not embarrassing it’s heartbreaking

I remember when we played and beat far better teams than Aston Villa

What on earth is the point of Scottish Football these days?

[Pretty Boy]

Big Doidge showing the defence how it's done, winning a header in our box.

[Iain G]

Marshall needs replaced, just not the player he was even at the start of last season.

[cabbageandribs1875]

It’s not difficult tbh.

Lose Sunday and LJ goes. It’s really that simple.


not even LJ could lead us to defeat two defeats in 24 hours :)

[hibee316]

Aye but that’s peoples point though and they’re unhappy cause it still remains unaddressed by LJ or the recruitment team

In my opinion, if we get a few more weeks down the line and nothing appears to be getting better defensively, I think he should go.

As I said getting annoyed by losing easy goals against our genuine competitors is understandable. It annoys me too.

But, we are playing a team who may as well be playing a different sport.

[K-Zazu]

Marshall needs replaced, just not the player he was even at the start of last season.

He needs emptied.

[Aldo]

not even LJ could lead us to defeat two defeats in 24 hours :)

[emoji2960]

[Pagan Hibernia]

Why exactly did people desperately want to get through to face this lot?

[Donegal Hibby]

Glad you’re chuffed with our start to the season 👏🏼

Did I say I was chuffed with it btw ? :rolleyes:

[Chorley Hibee]

Glad you’re chuffed with our start to the season 👏🏼

Defeats to St Mirren, Motherwell, and a pub team from Andorra before August is even out, and people still think this lot are capable of achieving anything.

That abysmal defence will come back to haunt us time after time.

[Torto7]

He needs emptied.

Hanlon, Marshall and Lewis shouldn't be near the first team on form.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Why exactly did people desperately want to get through to face this lot?


demoralising but money in the coffers

[Callum_62]

Diaby has some pace eh [emoji23]

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[Vault Boy]

Why exactly did people desperately want to get through to face this lot?

€750k plus gates.

[NC1875]

Defeats to St Mirren, Motherwell, and a pub team from Andorra before August is even out, and people still think this lot are capable of achieving anything.

That abysmal defence will come back to haunt us time after time.

Exactly. Usual suspects defending the indefensible. Our defence is honking. And midfield not any better!

[Northernhibee]

our club have been firsts in Scottish football for a few things


can we be the first to refuse to play the 2nd leg in a competition

A 3-0 forfeit would be a cracking result Tbf

[Stairway 2 7]

Tbh it’s not embarrassing it’s heartbreaking

I remember when we played and beat far better teams than Aston Villa

What on earth is the point of Scottish Football these days?
We've a population of 5 million. Villa would do the same to the teams with the fifth biggest budget in every other European country with 5 million pop

[hibee316]

A 3-0 forfeit would be a cracking result Tbf

Take it!

[Iain G]

Why exactly did people desperately want to get through to face this lot?

We get a bunch more cash in! A nice trip to Birmingham maybe? 😁

[hibee_girl]

Youan is so frustrating

[where'stheslope]

Youane just being Youane!!!!!

[jacomo]

Tbh it’s not embarrassing it’s heartbreaking

I remember when we played and beat far better teams than Aston Villa

What on earth is the point of Scottish Football these days?


Scottish football hit its nadir about 15 years ago and is slowly on the way up again.

It’s not easy but incremental improvement is as much as we can hope for. Unfortunately Villa have 20x our resources and a very good manager.

[HoboHarry]

Why exactly did people desperately want to get through to face this lot?
Said the same weeks ago. Same for all Scottish clubs apart from the ugly two, we clamour to qualify then (with the odd exception) get pummeled.

[Lago]

Tbh it’s not embarrassing it’s heartbreaking

I remember when we played and beat far better teams than Aston Villa

What on earth is the point of Scottish Football these days?
So can I but that was a long time ago.

[CathroMustStay]

We've a population of 5 million. Villa would do the same to the teams with the fifth biggest budget in every other European country with 5 million pop

The population in both Uruguay & Croatia is less than 4 million.

[LunasBoots]

They'll put out the reserves for the second leg. Job done.

Both should just play the reserves, save legs for the league

[Callum_62]

Scottish football hit its nadir about 15 years ago and is slowly on the way up again.

It’s not easy but incremental improvement is as much as we can hope for. Unfortunately Villa have 20x our resources and a very good manager.They have way more than 20x our resources

100x easily

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[Pretty Boy]

It's the same as when Hearts played Spurs. The sheer physicality of them is on a different level. Diaby is about their smallest player and he's a total unit whilst still being lightning quick. It looks like the proverbial men v boys as a physical contest. Every ball that is to be chased down they are winning without breaking stride even when we have our pacey players chasing it, they win it just by how big they are.

[J-C]

Oh it wasn't a go at Lewis. More the boy making him look rather foolish.

TBF to Lewis he said last season that he was in the twilight of his career and he seen his job as a mentor to the Doig, Cabraja was seen as a replacement for Lewis but the death of his father put paid to that. Obita has played LB for the past 2-3 years but LJ wants to play him at LW instead, Lewis should be backup.

[B.H.F.C]

Real lack of ability to do basic things tonight.

If this was a Hibs team giving everything, playing to their maximum and coming up short I’d not have any complaints. But it’s not been like that.

[BSEJVT]

We've a population of 5 million. Villa would do the same to the teams with the fifth biggest budget in every other European country with 5 million pop

So how were we able to compete back in the day?

I get that money has changed things massively but we can’t even compete physically

We should be able to fight and scrape and tackle and run

I get we will be totally outclassed skill wise but we do nothing

[MikeyS]

It’ll be double figures on aggregate.

No if we refuse to play! Only a 3 nil victory awarded meaning 8 nil overall!

[1875M]

It's the same as when Hearts played Spurs. The sheer physicality of them is on a different level. Diaby is about their smallest player and he's a total unit whilst still being lightning quick. It looks like the proverbial men v boys as a physical contest. Every ball that is to be chased down they are winning without breaking stride even when we have our pacey players chasing it, they win it just by how big they are.

Yep. Miles ahead technically but they’re fitter, faster and stronger by a country mile.

[WhileTheChief..]

Real lack of ability to do basic things tonight.

If this was a Hibs team giving everything, playing to their maximum and coming up short I’d not have any complaints. But it’s not been like that.

All we asked for was a performance. None us actually thought we’d get a result.

Hugely disappointing again from us. When will we wake up to reality.

[cabbageandribs1875]

well done the fans still singing

[Callum_62]

Yep. Miles ahead technically but they’re fitter, faster and stronger by a country mile.I was talking to my mate beforehand about that

Do they just sign better overall athletes?

Is John mcginn in better condition now?



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[jacomo]

Real lack of ability to do basic things tonight.

If this was a Hibs team giving everything, playing to their maximum and coming up short I’d not have any complaints. But it’s not been like that.


We’ve not played to our maximum. I think the game plan has been suicidal tbh. But I can’t fault the effort.

[number9dream]

[QUOTE=hibee316;7441216]So you are suggesting putting another player on the pitch??

If you move players over there, then Villa would just exploit the space we left at the other side.

They’re playing a centre half on the other side!
Which just made the tactic all the more painfully obvious.

[Since90+2]

Genuine question about what we do in the second leg. Tie is over and we need points in the league desperately, but if we play a weakened side we'll get absolutely humiliated.

[Ray Donovan]

Shocking defending for the goals but this has been an absolute lesson. Fair play to the boys behind the goals still giving it their best.

Btw Johnson can go, not on this performance but for his whole tenure.

[jacomo]

I was talking to my mate beforehand about that

Do they just sign better overall athletes?

Is John mcginn in better condition now?

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Of course they do. They have a lot more money.

[Stairway 2 7]

So how were we able to compete back in the day?

I get that money has changed things massively but we can’t even compete physically

We should be able to fight and scrape and tackle and run

I get we will be totally outclassed skill wise but we do nothing

https://twitter.com/TurnoverSPFL/status/1692466190742921699

Our turnover in 91 was 2.2 mil villa 7. This year 11 villa 178. Sky happened. Why don't we compare ourselves with Switzerland

[J-C]

I had us doing to get beat 0-3 tonight, I just wanted them to put up more of a fight and at least make it them work hard for the win.

[Joe6-2]

All we asked for was a performance. None us actually thought we’d get a result.

Hugely disappointing again from us. When will we wake up to reality.

This

[The Captain....]

Real lack of ability to do basic things tonight.

If this was a Hibs team giving everything, playing to their maximum and coming up short I’d not have any complaints. But it’s not been like that.Exactly..nobody was expecting us to realistically do anything tonight but I've been disgusted by our passive defending. We'll continue to lose exactly the same type of goals all season to teams much more inferior than Villa cos we cant do the basics

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[hibee_girl]

All we asked for was a performance. None us actually thought we’d get a result.

Hugely disappointing again from us. When will we wake up to reality.

Absolutely this.

[Torto7]

I was talking to my mate beforehand about that

Do they just sign better overall athletes?

Is John mcginn in better condition now?



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Yes and Yes. Sports Science success is also heavily linked to budget now as well. Those chemicals the top teams take aren't cheap. Scottish rugby manages to get its players in incredible shape. Perhaps we could have a word with them?

[cabbageandribs1875]

**** ya villa ****s

[J-C]

I was talking to my mate beforehand about that

Do they just sign better overall athletes?

Is John mcginn in better condition now?



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Yes and that's why the finished 6th in the EPL last season, McGinn is a better athlete now than when he was here.

[Stairway 2 7]

The population in both Uruguay & Croatia is less than 4 million.

Uruguay in Europe and not sure there 5th biggest club budget wise. Croatia probably osijek fc and villa would hammer them

[Donegal Hibby]

My ***** in our league was in comparison to villa

It doesn’t matter how many teams we’ve played, the same problem persist. Was the same in our previous euro games as well.

Which we got thru and were excellent in 3 of them . I said earlier on another thread I was absolutely dreading this one because I realised the gulf between the two club's tbh . I think it's unfair to judge us on this game in all honesty

[Pretty Boy]

I was talking to my mate beforehand about that

Do they just sign better overall athletes?

Is John mcginn in better condition now?



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Same reason Britain produces some of the best cyclists, it's a sport we pour more money into than almost everyone else. You have the cash to fix all the little things that make the whole better.

You look at the sheer number of coaches and other performance directors Villa have, they are monitoring and correcting everything whilst signing better athletes and players in the 1st place.

McGinm tonight is like 2 McGinns of solid muscle compared to what we had.

[HoboHarry]

Genuine question about what we do in the second leg. Tie is over and we need points in the league desperately, but if we play a weakened side we'll get absolutely humiliated.
Hopefully they will rest a few of their first eleven, the tie is long gone.

[overdrive]

I was talking to my mate beforehand about that

Do they just sign better overall athletes?

Is John mcginn in better condition now?



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McGinn is stronger now. I can understand that. Getting in the gym and different nutrition regime.

What I can’t fathom is how seems to be substantially faster than he was when he was here.

[Andymac85]

Ellie looks the only player they are in the slightest bit wary of. He hasn’t played well, but his speed is about the only danger we have.

[MikeyS]

Yes and Yes. Sports Science success is also heavily linked to budget now as well. Those chemicals the top teams take aren't cheap. Scottish rugby manages to get its players in incredible shape. Perhaps we could have a word with them?

100% this! Watch out for guys like Hickey, Porteous and probably even Nisbet seriously change their physiques over the next 2 years.

They are light years ahead in that area

[MikeyS]

McGinn is stronger now. I can understand that. Getting in the gym and different nutrition regime.

What I can’t fathom is how seems to be substantially faster than he was when he was here.

Maybe Villa have the same doctor that Pep Guardiola uses!

[hibee_girl]

Why does Youan think he can take on all 11 Villa players by himself?

[Lancs Harp]

Same reason Britain produces some of the best cyclists, it's a sport we pour more money into than almost everyone else. You have the cash to fix all the little things that make the whole better.

You look at the sheer number of coaches and other performance directors Villa have, they are monitoring and correcting everything whilst signing better athletes and players in the 1st place.

McGinm tonight is like 2 McGinns of solid muscle compared to what we had.

Still got the fatest arse on the pitch :)

[Hibrandenburg]

well done the fans still singing

:agree: 100% support come thick or thin. You couldn't blame anyone with a ticket for the 2nd leg if they just tore it up now, but there will be Hibbies at Villa and I take my hat off to every single one of them.

[Stuart93]

Which we got thru and were excellent in 3 of them . I said earlier on another thread I was absolutely dreading this one because I realised the gulf between the two club's tbh . I think it's unfair to judge us on this game in all honesty

No-ones judging hibs on this game in isolation but a collection of games where our defending has been just as bad as it has tonight

[Heisenberg]

The issue is we will probably defend like this against Livi on Saturday too. It’s not a one off because we are playing a very good side, it’s a running theme of this season so far.

[hibeesjoe]

Same reason Britain produces some of the best cyclists, it's a sport we pour more money into than almost everyone else. You have the cash to fix all the little things that make the whole better.

You look at the sheer number of coaches and other performance directors Villa have, they are monitoring and correcting everything whilst signing better athletes and players in the 1st place.

McGinm tonight is like 2 McGinns of solid muscle compared to what we had.Austin MacPhee was highlighted as the "set piece coach" earlier. That just shows you the gulf between clubs. No excuse for some of that defending though

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[Chorley Hibee]

17 goals conceded in our first eight games, not a single clean sheet, and our management team and recruitment team don't see a need to address it.

Laughable.

[Joe6-2]

Which we got thru and were excellent in 3 of them . I said earlier on another thread I was absolutely dreading this one because I realised the gulf between the two club's tbh . I think it's unfair to judge us on this game in all honesty

I don’t think it’s unfair, no one in reality expected us to get a result, but even allowing for the gulf in class we have been woeful

[scm70nyd1973]

I’m 60 now - I actually don’t get any excitement anymore about qualifying for Europe as it only seems to be about money. The days of us getting far in Europe again are well gone. I just would like to have a Mowbray type team who would get us off our seats on most Saturdays instead of slogging it out for a managed 1-0 or 2-1 victory against a destined to be bottom 6 team. At 60 my seasons are limited but I want to have some fechin entertainment again. This result tonight is no shock and very predictable- who really wants to rock up to ER for this mince. And I’m not blaming anyone for tonight either. Old and saddened git rant over ☹️

[Lago]

Oh we'll murder them in return next week :greengrin

[K-Zazu]

Well at least Jamie Mcallister finds it funny

[where'stheslope]

Just as well they binned the away goals rule!!!!!

[macd123]

is their a need to boo sjm

respect

Did we really? Wtf.

[hibee_girl]

Stevenson must be raging, he went straight up the tunnel

[Jim44]

Ellie looks the only player they are in the slightest bit wary of. He hasn’t played well, but his speed is about the only danger we have.

…. and you wonder why, because he was really poor in my opinion.

[Joe6-2]

I’m 60 now - I actually don’t get any excitement anymore about qualifying for Europe as it only seems to be about money. The days of us getting far in Europe again are well gone. I just would like to have a Mowbray type team who would get us off our seats on most Saturdays instead of slogging it out for a managed 1-0 or 2-1 victory against a destined to be bottom 6 team. At 60 my seasons are limited but I want to have some fechin entertainment again. This result tonight is no shock and very predictable- who really wants to rock up to ER for this mince. And I’m not blaming anyone for tonight either. Old and saddened git rant over ☹️

I’m 68, you’ve hit the nail right on the head!

[SteveHFC]

I’m 60 now - I actually don’t get any excitement anymore about qualifying for Europe as it only seems to be about money. The days of us getting far in Europe again are well gone. I just would like to have a Mowbray type team who would get us off our seats on most Saturdays instead of slogging it out for a managed 1-0 or 2-1 victory against a destined to be bottom 6 team. At 60 my seasons are limited but I want to have some fechin entertainment again. This result tonight is no shock and very predictable- who really wants to rock up to ER for this mince. And I’m not blaming anyone for tonight either. Old and saddened git rant over ☹️

Sound like my dad

[CMac1988]

Was always going to happen but the manner in which we approached the game and conducted ourself was much the same as we've done in the league. It's less the scoreline and more the general performance. Men Vs Boys.

[Iain G]

I think we set it up wrong from the start, there was a lot of effort and the odd moment but they snuffed those out quickly. We needed to stop the crosses and we didn't, and our keeper flaps everytime a ball comes into the box at height and Fish and Hanlon are struggling to deal with those as well.

Quality balls in and Oli Watkins up against defenders who struggle to clear crosses...we got it wrong, regardless of the gulf in class.

I think we could have made it harder for them and should have started with Harbottle or Rocky in a back 5.

[NC1875]

17 goals conceded in our first eight games, not a single clean sheet, and our management team and recruitment team don't see a need to address it.

Laughable.

Some people on here don’t see a need to address it either. Baffling.

[londonhibby]

Ok where is your proof they haven't got the cash or offered the cash to spend on defenders who defend? We brought Fish back who we all wanted back after his performances last season where he could clearly defend, we signed Harbottle who in his one game so far can clearly defend, they have spent on these defenders so what you claimed is simply bollox.

Didn't say they don't have the cash, for a start, I said they don't seem to be willing to spend the required cash to revamp our obvious main weakness, which is defence. I didn't want Fish back, he's young, inexperienced and his performances are patchy at best. Hanlon and Stevenson are well past it, and should have been retired a couple of seasons ago. We can't defend crosses, in fact we can't defend much at all (see our league performances against clubs we're (supposed to be bigger than/better than) but losing against, because of the defence. I thought Obita was a step up, but Johnson obviously doesn't see it that way. Harbottle's OK, but his one performance was against Raith Rovers FFS, hardly top-of-the Prem opposition, and we barely scraped through with that. There's also a serious problem with desire and mentality (but that's the way it's been for about 90% of the 50 years I've been supporting Hibs.

[LunasBoots]

Nice wee moment for SJM

[Stuart93]

Well at least Jamie Mcallister finds it funny

****ing hate that in football!!!

None of our players or management should be smiling or laughing after a 5-0 skudding at home

[Pretty Boy]

Great reception for McGinn. He look e wee bit emotional.

We might get him back in 6 or 7 years if he can resist the Saudi billions.

[Donegal Hibby]

No-ones judging hibs on this game in isolation but a collection of games where our defending has been just as bad as it has tonight

That's bull***** btw . Of course some of you are judging Hibs on this game as some of the post show against one of the favourites for the competition btw . We are only 2 games into the season FFS . Show some backbone mate 👍

[Joe6-2]

…. and you wonder why, because he was really poor in my opinion.

Lost possession constantly, never looked to make the pass

[He's here!]

They'll put out the reserves for the second leg. Job done.

You say that as though Villa reserves won't give us a tough night. They're probably capable of sticking another five past us.

You're right about job done tho. Villa could have scored 10 tonight had they really wanted to but no sense in over exerting themselves at the start of what is likely to be a season in which they play a hell of a lot of games

[Hibee Daft]

Well done to the fans that stayed until the end

[BSEJVT]

Stevenson won’t be raging he will be mortified

He got totally rinsed tonight, embarrassingly so

Why LJ didn’t feel it necessary to protect the fullbacks is beyond me

They were totally hung out to dry

It was very hard to watch their player taking him apart time and time again

Wouldn’t surprise me if he called it a day after that

[Iain G]

Didn't say they don't have the cash, for a start, I said they don't seem to be willing to spend the required cash to revamp our obvious main weakness, which is defence. I didn't want Fish back, he's young, inexperienced and his performances are patchy at best. Hanlon and Stevenson are well past it, and should have been retired a couple of seasons ago. We can't defend crosses, in fact we can't defend much at all (see our league performances against clubs we're (supposed to be bigger than/better than) but losing against, because of the defence. I thought Obita was a step up, but Johnson obviously doesn't see it that way. Harbottle's OK, but his one performance was against Raith Rovers FFS, hardly top-of-the Prem opposition, and we barely scraped through with that. There's also a serious problem with desire and mentality (but that's the way it's been for about 90% of the 50 years I've been supporting Hibs.

I guess you're a 'everything's Barry' kind of a guy. Bit sad really.

Is that the best you can manage 🤣 oh and chill the **** out and don't go insulting people you don't know.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Well done to the fans that stayed until the end

Don’t think they expect a well done, it’s not as if it was hearts we were getting spanked off. The amount of folk that missed out on tickets and some of those who got them cleared off cos we were (expectedly btw) getting a doing, I couldn’t make it but if I could have and missed out on a ticket I’d be a bit ****ed off with that tbh


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[Hibrandenburg]

I’m 60 now - I actually don’t get any excitement anymore about qualifying for Europe as it only seems to be about money. The days of us getting far in Europe again are well gone. I just would like to have a Mowbray type team who would get us off our seats on most Saturdays instead of slogging it out for a managed 1-0 or 2-1 victory against a destined to be bottom 6 team. At 60 my seasons are limited but I want to have some fechin entertainment again. This result tonight is no shock and very predictable- who really wants to rock up to ER for this mince. And I’m not blaming anyone for tonight either. Old and saddened git rant over ☹️

57 and feel the same. Being a Hibs fan has always required having a black sense of humour, I'll laugh it off eventually as the days that Hibs can ruin my life for an extended period of time are long behind me.

Sunshine on Leith anyone? :duck:

[Iain G]

Stevenson won’t be raging he will be mortified

He got totally rinsed tonight, embarrassingly so

Why LJ didn’t feel it necessary to protect the fullbacks is beyond me

They were totally hung out to dry

It was very hard to watch their player taking him apart time and time again

Wouldn’t surprise me if he called it a day after that

Agree he needed to get more cover in the fullback areas to close down and stop the crosses.

[hibee316]

57 and feel the same. Being a Hibs fan has always required having a black sense of humour, I'll laugh it off eventually as the days that Hibs can ruin my life for an extended period of time are long behind me.

Sunshine on Leith anyone? :duck:

Sunshine on Leith is probably more appropriate after a big loss!

[Northernhibee]

Four quick goals early on next week and the tie is anybody’s.

[MelbourneHibees]

Nice wee moment for SJM

He done the best he could to break down any momentum in the 2nd half. Good guy!

[where'stheslope]

Four quick goals early on next week and the tie is anybody’s.
For who????

[LunasBoots]

Not unexpected the result in fairness, disappointing slightly at the manner of losing some of the goals but ultimately there's a massive gulf between the two teams, a money maker for Hibs, I'm more concerned about getting our league campaign up and running.

[Hibrandenburg]

Sunshine on Leith is probably more appropriate after a big loss!

Having heard it at a few funerals I can concur.

[Stuart93]

That's bull***** btw . Of course some of you are judging Hibs on this game as some of the post show against one of the favourites for the competition btw . We are only 2 games into the season FFS . Show some backbone mate 👍

I do have a backbone mate and so should the club. Bring in better defensive players or the same problem continues.

[Chorley Hibee]

****ing hate that in football!!!

None of our players or management should be smiling or laughing after a 5-0 skudding at home

Shows how unprofessional we still are.

[scm70nyd1973]

6 John McGinn ogs now required down in Birmingham 🙏

[londonhibby]

Is that the best you can manage 🤣 oh and chill the **** out and don't go insulting people you don't know.

Please reply to the points I made as though you actually know something about football, rather than yet another fact-free drool with a rather childish added emoji.

[hibee_girl]

Great reception for McGinn. He look e wee bit emotional.

We might get him back in 6 or 7 years if he can resist the Saudi billions.

I found it quite emotional too!

[Pagan Hibernia]

so Johnson celebrated his big 5 0 0 with a big 5 0. That’s nice.

[truehibernian]

Shows how unprofessional we still are.

Don’t worry, Lee will be whatsapping the players individually later berating then and then texting the groundsman about the grass being too long - the unprofessionalism starts with him, trust me.

[Bobo]

I’m 60 now - I actually don’t get any excitement anymore about qualifying for Europe as it only seems to be about money. The days of us getting far in Europe again are well gone. I just would like to have a Mowbray type team who would get us off our seats on most Saturdays instead of slogging it out for a managed 1-0 or 2-1 victory against a destined to be bottom 6 team. At 60 my seasons are limited but I want to have some fechin entertainment again. This result tonight is no shock and very predictable- who really wants to rock up to ER for this mince. And I’m not blaming anyone for tonight either. Old and saddened git rant over ☹️

The club is a pale shadow of what it used to be, can count on one hand the amount of enjoyable games there's been at Easter Road in the past few seasons.

We're going nowhere bar the championship with Johnson in charge, he's a timid ineffective waste of space. An arrogant, ignorant and clueless individual with little ability, he should have been emptied months ago.

[One Day Soon]

We’ve not played to our maximum. I think the game plan has been suicidal tbh. But I can’t fault the effort.

This, massively this.

[Pagan Hibernia]

The club is a pale shadow of what it used to be, can count on one hand the amount of enjoyable games there's been at Easter Road in the past few seasons.

We're going nowhere bar the championship with Johnson in charge, he's a timid ineffective waste of space. An arrogant, ignorant and clueless individual with little ability, he should have been emptied months ago.

my prediction is he’ll be gone by Halloween and I’m sticking to it

[1875Sean]

Stevenson won’t be raging he will be mortified

He got totally rinsed tonight, embarrassingly so

Why LJ didn’t feel it necessary to protect the fullbacks is beyond me

They were totally hung out to dry

It was very hard to watch their player taking him apart time and time again

Wouldn’t surprise me if he called it a day after that

am mortified by your post

[Heisenberg]

That's bull***** btw . Of course some of you are judging Hibs on this game as some of the post show against one of the favourites for the competition btw . We are only 2 games into the season FFS . Show some backbone mate 👍

Well Lee better get a result on Saturday or it’s 0/9 and bottom of the league.

[Callum_62]

This, massively this.What would your game plan have been?

Obviously it's easier to say in hindsight but how would you have lined up?

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[Bobo]

my prediction is he’ll be gone by Halloween and I’m sticking to it

Hope you're right, wish it was sooner.

[Iain G]

Didn't say they don't have the cash, for a start, I said they don't seem to be willing to spend the required cash to revamp our obvious main weakness, which is defence. I didn't want Fish back, he's young, inexperienced and his performances are patchy at best. Hanlon and Stevenson are well past it, and should have been retired a couple of seasons ago. We can't defend crosses, in fact we can't defend much at all (see our league performances against clubs we're (supposed to be bigger than/better than) but losing against, because of the defence. I thought Obita was a step up, but Johnson obviously doesn't see it that way. Harbottle's OK, but his one performance was against Raith Rovers FFS, hardly top-of-the Prem opposition, and we barely scraped through with that. There's also a serious problem with desire and mentality (but that's the way it's been for about 90% of the 50 years I've been supporting Hibs.

I guess you're a 'everything's Barry' kind of a guy. Bit sad really.

Ok here we go, just cos you asked nicely...

Fish did very well with us in unison with Hanlon last season, they worked well together and our defence improved considerably since the first half of the year (and after Porto left) and we were more stable and consistent. He showed he could and would defend first and clear his lines. He was also a theat in the opposition box which was an added bonus.

I agree and have said on other posts that we cant deal with crosses, so a tactic tonight of allowing crosses into the box to try defend them was some level of madness. We got this wrong and some changes in formation with an extra centre half, such as Harbottle would, in my opinion, have helped us deal with this better if this was the tactical plan we were to adopt.

I think we have desire but the fitness and ability levels do not match a too 6/7 premier league club. We could have made it harder for them tonight with more energy and more closing down and allowing them less freedom to pump balls into our box but wasnt how how we set up.

Paul and Lewis have a part to play as part of our squad this season but having both as first picks is ow looking to be an issue. Obita seems to be more favoured as a wide midfield player so yes we need another left back. I like miller very much but he needed help tonight and didn't get much of that.

Work to be done and time to replace the old guard, including Marshall.

[Billy McKirdy]

This is the team that similarly rinsed Everton a few days ago.
As soon as they scored we were never going to get anything out of this game, disappointing yes but the gulf is obvious, our level is the SPL, maybe in a few years after doing well domestically and regularly playing in Europe, maybe then will we give a better showing than tonight.
Onwards to Sunday.

[londonhibby]

Ok here we go, just cos you asked nicely...

Fish did very well with us in unison with Hanlon last season, they worked well together and our defence improved considerably since the first half of the year (and after Porto left) and we were more stable and consistent. He showed he could and would defend first and clear his lines. He was also a theat in the opposition box which was an added bonus.

I agree and have said on other posts that we cant deal with crosses, so a tactic tonight of allowing crosses into the box to try defend them was some level of madness. We got this wrong and some changes in formation with an extra centre half, such as Harbottle would, in my opinion, have helped us deal with this better if this was the tactical plan we were to adopt.

I think we have desire but the fitness and ability levels do not match a too 6/7 premier league club. We could have made it harder for them tonight with more energy and more closing down and allowing them less freedom to pump balls into our box but wasnt how how we set up.

Paul and Lewis have a part to play as part of our squad this season but having both as first picks is ow looking to be an issue. Obita seems to be more favoured as a wide midfield player so yes we need another left back. I like miller very much but he needed help tonight and didn't get much of that.

Work to be done and time to replace the old guard, including Marshall.

Thank you. I disagree on certain points, but thanks for engaging.

[WhileTheChief..]

Don’t worry, Lee will be whatsapping the players individually later berating then and then texting the groundsman about the grass being too long - the unprofessionalism starts with him, trust me.

I trust you 100% on this.

Why does no one at the club see it though?

We absolutely have to get rid of LJ. Our club is being royally screwed by him every day he’s here. The only direction we’re heading with him in charge is downwards.

He’s improved nowt since he arrived.

He’s making me hate the club I love. I wish he’d F off right now.

[Iain G]

Pathetic bail out... and it's 'hear'.

Also, quantity does not signify quality... especially in your case.

I replied to your post and deleted my holding message btw, you can read it hear, here or 'ere 😛

[Liam6270]

Ben Foster was brave enough to come out and say enough was enough, why can’t Lewis and Hanlon do the same? Both just aren’t good enough anymore I’m afraid

[B.H.F.C]

What would your game plan have been?

Obviously it's easier to say in hindsight but how would you have lined up?

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Didn’t have much of an issue with the team. But the way we set out to play was terrible. You have to try and make it difficult for the opposition, whoever. They are, But we just stood and admired them all over the pitch.

[Iain G]

Thank you. I disagree on certain points, but thanks for engaging.

I am a few IPA's in you know!

[Scorrie]

Don’t worry, Lee will be whatsapping the players individually later berating then and then texting the groundsman about the grass being too long - the unprofessionalism starts with him, trust me.

Jeezo if that’s true, that’s very poor. If I was a player, I’d block his number!

[londonhibby]

I am a few IPA's in you know!

Completely understandable. :aok:

[Chorley Hibee]

I trust you 100% on this.

Why does no one at the club see it though?

We absolutely have to get rid of LJ. Our club is being royally screwed by him every day he’s here. The only direction we’re heading with him in charge is downwards.

He’s improved nowt since he arrived.

He’s making me hate the club I love. I wish he’d F off right now.

He, along with his pals Ben and Brian, are going nowhere anytime soon.

It's all a big laugh to them, and we're the victims of the joke.

[hibees 7062]

Well at least Jamie Mcallister finds it funny
Yep . Wtf is that about

[hhibs]

Ok here we go, just cos you asked nicely...

Fish did very well with us in unison with Hanlon last season, they worked well together and our defence improved considerably since the first half of the year (and after Porto left) and we were more stable and consistent. He showed he could and would defend first and clear his lines. He was also a theat in the opposition box which was an added bonus.

I agree and have said on other posts that we cant deal with crosses, so a tactic tonight of allowing crosses into the box to try defend them was some level of madness. We got this wrong and some changes in formation with an extra centre half, such as Harbottle would, in my opinion, have helped us deal with this better if this was the tactical plan we were to adopt.

I think we have desire but the fitness and ability levels do not match a too 6/7 premier league club. We could have made it harder for them tonight with more energy and more closing down and allowing them less freedom to pump balls into our box but wasnt how how we set up.

Paul and Lewis have a part to play as part of our squad this season but having both as first picks is ow looking to be an issue. Obita seems to be more favoured as a wide midfield player so yes we need another left back. I like miller very much but he needed help tonight and didn't get much of that.

Work to be done and time to replace the old guard, including Marshall.

Well made points but I would add has LJ and his team really got a clue?

[MacBean]

Giving their wingers and fullbacks the freedom of leith in the final third is unforgivable defending.
We got lucky last week against Luzern as it was the same tactic. This week we’ve faced an opponent who can 1) cross and 2) get on the end of them.

Shocking tactics yet again from hopeless manager.
Get rid asap

[Iain G]

Well made points but I would add has LJ and his team really got a clue?

I do think that Maloney actually had us defending better, and that's probably a concern. LJ has us attacking more effectively most of the time though.

He has made it to 500 games as a manager so must have something about him?

[WhileTheChief..]

He, along with his pals Ben and Brian, are going nowhere anytime soon.

It's all a big laugh to them, and we're the victims of the joke.

Certainly feels that way.

Not a chance in Hell that any of them are feeling like some of us tonight. They’ll be getting selfies with the Villa squad whilst sipping Prosecco probably.

[Iain G]

Completely understandable. :aok:

Which usually means I am feeling happier than I should be and also more overly reactive than I should be, so sorry for being a reactive tw@t 😁

[K-Zazu]

Yep . Wtf is that about

Ex Jambo

[BSEJVT]

am mortified by your post

Tell me what I am wrong about then?

Have you never played against someone far better than you and got rinsed?

It’s a horrible depressing experience

[SaulGoodman]

Ex Jambo

🤣🤣🤣

[Donegal Hibby]

I do have a backbone mate and so should the club. Bring in better defensive players or the same problem continues.

Club does have a backbone too . I don't know who we are going to bring in though defensively we aren't going to come up against this sort of opposition in our league . I think that Villa team would have given both old firm team's a doing in all honesty .

Once we're out of Europe which has obviously had an effect on us in our opening two league games I still think we will be ok mate . Honestly though anyone that's blaming the manager or players today for losing to Villa when they know the financial gap between the clubs is being totally unfair imo .

[Aldo]

That's bull***** btw . Of course some of you are judging Hibs on this game as some of the post show against one of the favourites for the competition btw . We are only 2 games into the season FFS . Show some backbone mate [emoji106]

This was a free hit for me for him but it’s not just 2 games it’s about 9 games in the bounce last season poor tactics blah blah . Raith and now Livi on Saturday.

Did you watch us last season. Bloody hell we were utterly woeful and barely resembled a team.

If your happy with last seasons performances and this seasons league and cup game then boy are we in trouble.

LJ time at ER is up for me.

[londonhibby]

Which usually means I am feeling happier than I should be and also more overly reactive than I should be, so sorry for being a reactive tw@t 😁

Likewise... we are, after all, passionate about the Greater Green. Have a good night mate.

[BSEJVT]

Club does have a backbone too . I don't know who we are going to bring in though defensively we aren't going to come up against this sort of opposition in our league . I think that Villa team would have given both old firm team's a doing in all honesty .

Once we're out of Europe which has obviously had an effect on us in our opening two league games I still think we will be ok mate . Honestly though anyone that's blaming the manager or players today for losing to Villa when they know the financial gap between the clubs is being totally unfair imo .

And here is where the debate falls apart

The manager and the players do not get a free pass for tonight

The result if not the score was never in doubt

If we had been outplayed in new inventive ways I would have thought fair enough.

Instead Villa have a manager who knew we were were open as hell through the midfield and particularly the wings and weak in central defence

He set them up to exploit that and they did

We have the same problems we did a year ago and seem powerless to address them

[Tha Cabbage Kid]

The thing is we didn't set ourselves out to be hard to beat. Defensively we were atrocious. But that's nothing new. What really grits my bones was the fact that we didn't want the ball only youan and Newell wanted it. But we're poor when they had it. Also Boyle was really poor tonight. Was Vente playing as a midfielder? Never seen many forward runs.

[Rumble de Thump]

Aston Villa should win this tournament. They should gub most teams.

[Aldo]

Club does have a backbone too . I don't know who we are going to bring in though defensively we aren't going to come up against this sort of opposition in our league . I think that Villa team would have given both old firm team's a doing in all honesty .

Once we're out of Europe which has obviously had an effect on us in our opening two league games I still think we will be ok mate . Honestly though anyone that's blaming the manager or players today for losing to Villa when they know the financial gap between the clubs is being totally unfair imo .

Bloody hell we don’t even need to come up against that sort of quality look at the St Mirren and Motherwell games. Did you actually see those games.

Sorry I don’t buy this crap about once we are out of Europe. We want to be in Europe. Our piss poor performances and run of loses cost us 3rd place and that lies with the management. We would have only had 2 games to qualify for group stages.

You really cannot see or don’t want to say how poor he actually is as a manager as you’ve vehemently pushed your linking of him for weeks.

We don’t win Saturday he has to go.

[Iain G]

The thing is we didn't set ourselves out to be hard to beat. Defensively we were atrocious. But that's nothing new. What really grits my bones was the fact that we didn't want the ball only youan and Newell wanted it. But we're poor when they had it. Also Boyle was really poor tonight. Was Vente playing as a midfielder? Never seen many forward runs.

It feels like a number of players were expected to do things that don't play to their strengths.

Vente in a deep false nine position instead of leading the line.
Boyle in an odd wide right-ish position.
Centre backs being asked to clear the crosses when we know it's been something we struggle with.
Miller being exposed on his own on the right when he needs cover and help.
And we persist with the long ball forward instead of on the deck passing at pace.
Marshall playing in goal...

Round pegs in round holes, don't over complicate it.

[Tha Cabbage Kid]

Club does have a backbone too . I don't know who we are going to bring in though defensively we aren't going to come up against this sort of opposition in our league . I think that Villa team would have given both old firm team's a doing in all honesty .

Once we're out of Europe which has obviously had an effect on us in our opening two league games I still think we will be ok mate . Honestly though anyone that's blaming the manager or players today for losing to Villa when they know the financial gap between the clubs is being totally unfair imo .

Not sure I agree mate. I don't think you will see such defending from the old firm. Not even sure you would see that from half the teams in the league.

[MikeyS]

And here is where the debate falls apart

The manager and the players do not get a free pass for tonight

The result if not the score was never in doubt

If we had been outplayed in new inventive ways I would have thought fair enough.

Instead Villa have a manager who knew we were were open as hell through the midfield and particularly the wings and weak in central defence

He set them up to exploit that and they did

We have the same problems we did a year ago and seem powerless to address them

You are pi££ing in the wind here mate unfortunately, that poster will hear nowt against LJ no matter how much detail and explanation is given to him!

[lucky]

We were well beaten. Overall the players tried and never gave up but tonight Hanlon, Stevenson and Boyle were very poor. I couldn't believe that Johnson failed to get Boyle to help Miller out. This is the best team we've faced in years but all of us who buy Sky & TNT sports helped them and all the other Murdoch-financed league in England

[Rumble de Thump]

It feels like a number of players were expected to do things that don't play to their strengths.

Vente in a deep false nine position instead of leading the line.
Boyle in an odd wide right-ish position.
Centre backs being asked to clear the crosses when we know it's been something we struggle with.
Miller being exposed on his own on the right when he needs cover and help.
And we persist with the long ball forward instead of on the deck passing at pace.
Marshall playing in goal...

Round pegs in round holes, don't over complicate it.

If players can't clear crosses they definitely shouldn't be central defenders.

[MikeyS]

We were well beaten. Overall the players tried and never gave up but tonight Hanlon, Stevenson and Boyle were very poor. I couldn't believe that Johnson failed to get Boyle to help Miller out. This is the best team we've faced in years but all of us who buy Sky & TNT sports helped them and all the other Murdoch-financed league in England

Oh aye, it's the fans fault eh?!? 😉😉

[Jim44]

Aston Villa should win this tournament. They should gub most teams.

Exactly. It’s no exaggeration to think that all of the EPL teams can compete in all three of the European tournaments, with the the best ones holding their own and better at the highest level.

[Tha Cabbage Kid]

I genuinely think we have a good team if we could defend properly. It seems to drive a nervousness in the team. Fish has been super poor for a good few games now. Time to come and and be replaced with rocky or harbottle. Thought rocky did well when he came on. Would rather he played from the start but Lee is showing loyalty to fish for no reason. Hope to see rocky or harbottle this weekend.

[Iain G]

I genuinely think we have a good team if we could defend properly. It seems to drive a nervousness in the team. Fish has been super poor for a good few games now. Time to come and and be replaced with rocky or harbottle. Thought rocky did well when he came on. Would rather he played from the start but Lee is showing loyalty to fish for no reason. Hope to see rocky or harbottle this weekend.

Rocky Harbottle sounds like the best pairing ever (or a badly permed 70's porn star)

[Tha Cabbage Kid]

Rocky Harbottle sounds like the best pairing ever (or a badly permed 70's porn star)

Rocky Hardbottle would be too much in and out of the team for my liking 😁😉

[SaulGoodman]

In summary.

Decent effort.
Defence ropey. Need some improvements imo
Another midfielder to sign please.

Hibs squad value 12.8 mil
Villa squad value 615.5 mil.

[Davy Mac]

I also thought the team lost the crowd quite early, no fist type pumps, arm gesturing, big tackles. Actually, only Newell got stuck in, our team is lame in truth.

[7-Zip_Mike]

Enough is enough ffs. Totally inept he has to go.

[1875Sean]

Tell me what I am wrong about then?

Have you never played against someone far better than you and got rinsed?

It’s a horrible depressing experience

Why target Lewy tho? The whole defence got rinsed, most of there goals came from there left, our right hand side, just find it embarrassing you target one player like that

[7-Zip_Mike]

In summary.

Decent effort.
Defence ropey. Need some improvements imo
Another midfielder to sign please.

Hibs squad value 12.8 mil
Villa squad value 615.5 mil.

Delusional

[MelbourneHibees]

In summary.

Decent effort.
Defence ropey. Need some improvements imo
Another midfielder to sign please.

Hibs squad value 12.8 mil
Villa squad value 615.5 mil.
Decent effort?

[Iain G]

Enough is enough ffs. Totally inept he has to go.

You need to be more specific!

Johnson, Hanlon, Stevenson, Marshall, Sunak...

[Chorley Hibee]

You need to be more specific!

Johnson, Hanlon, Stevenson, Marshall, Sunak...

All of the above.

[SaulGoodman]

Delusional

Cheers Mike Pal

[B.H.F.C]

We were well beaten. Overall the players tried and never gave up but tonight Hanlon, Stevenson and Boyle were very poor. I couldn't believe that Johnson failed to get Boyle to help Miller out. This is the best team we've faced in years but all of us who buy Sky & TNT sports helped them and all the other Murdoch-financed league in England

I didn’t think the players went out there and gave everything they had. Part of that might have been tactical but we didn’t make things difficult for them and I didn’t think we worked hard enough to support each other when we did get the ball.

It was a hard game and they are obviously a million miles ahead of us but I think there will be some regrets in there tonight.

[GreenCastle]

3 goals from crosses in air / 1 on ground and a penalty.

Including a goal straight after half time.

Villa were miles ahead but the goals were pretty soft and far from ideal after half time.

[BSEJVT]

Why target Lewy tho? The whole defence got rinsed, most of there goals came from there left, our right hand side, just find it embarrassing you target one player like that

I wasn’t targetting him

I feel truly sorry for him

I have huge admiration for him and what he has achieved over so many years

No one will know better than him how badly exposed he was and how poorly he dealt with his opponents

Collectively the defence were awful but Lewis got totally rinsed tonight

[SaulGoodman]

Decent effort?

Yep. Not good effort, think we could’ve done more so they don’t get a good effort. Bad effort just doesn’t sound right. So decent effort.

[Since90+2]

Yep. Not good effort, think we could’ve done more so they don’t get a good effort. Bad effort just doesn’t sound right. So decent effort.

What was decent about it?

[Unseen work]

Some of the play was brilliant from Villa and they have some top top players.

World Cup winner in Martinez.

Digne played for PSG and Barca and had what 3 assists?

Konsa, Carlos and Torres at the back are absolutely solid and that’s with having Mings out.

Kamara and Luiz could keep the ball of someone in a phone box and along with McGinn are also absolute units.

Pace and speed on the counter with all of them comfortable on the ball and able to play on the half turn.

They then brought on Tielemens, Traore and Cash.

They’re so so far out of our league in every aspect.

Up until the second I actually thought the boys done well, after that you could tell they were scared about it getting embarrassing.

[SaulGoodman]

What was decent about it?

First 15 was alright. Then it all went to pot. First 2 mins of the second half was quite exciting then it all went to pot again.

If we had a better defence we’d get on a lot better

[Gatecrasher]

I feel deflated after that, I knew getting anything from this game was a long shot but the lack of spirit and fight in this team was there for all to see. Even simple things that could be done to make things difficult for villa were basically non existent.


IMO the only one with pass marks tonight was Newell, he was an absolute star compared with the rest of his teammates.

[Pagan Hibernia]

I feel deflated after that, I knew getting anything from this game was a long shot but the lack of spirit and fight in this team was there for all to see. Even simple things that could be done to make things difficult for villa were basically non existent.


IMO the only one with pass marks tonight was Newell, he was an absolute star compared with the rest of his teammates.

Newell won’t have enjoyed that one bit lifelong Birmingham city fan and a villa supporting wife to boot

[Stanton Spence]

Some of the play was brilliant from Villa and they have some top top players.

World Cup winner in Martinez.

Digne played for PSG and Barca and had what 3 assists?

Konsa, Carlos and Torres at the back are absolutely solid and that’s with having Mings out.

Kamara and Luiz could keep the ball of someone in a phone box and along with McGinn are also absolute units.

Pace and speed on the counter with all of them comfortable on the ball and able to play on the half turn.

They then brought on Tielemens, Traore and Cash.

They’re so so far out of our league in every aspect.

Up until the second I actually thought the boys done well, after that you could tell they were scared about it getting embarrassing.
Pretty much sums it up for me
Villa are playing a different game from us

[B.H.F.C]

I feel deflated after that, I knew getting anything from this game was a long shot but the lack of spirit and fight in this team was there for all to see. Even simple things that could be done to make things difficult for villa were basically non existent.


IMO the only one with pass marks tonight was Newell, he was an absolute star compared with the rest of his teammates.

How I feel as well. We were always losing tonight but there are ways to lose and that isn’t the way to lose. We’re saying that fairly frequently these days.

[Allant1981]

How I feel as well. We were always losing tonight but there are ways to lose and that isn’t the way to lose. We’re saying that fairly frequently these days.

Yip I'm the same, I thought they would score at least 4 but it was just to easy for them, 4 crosses into the box resulted in 4 goals. We seem to be getting worse at the back

[wookie70]

Pretty much sums it up for me
Villa are playing a different game from us

They were playing football and we were playing statues

[Donegal Hibby]

Bloody hell we don’t even need to come up against that sort of quality look at the St Mirren and Motherwell games. Did you actually see those games.

Sorry I don’t buy this crap about once we are out of Europe. We want to be in Europe. Our piss poor performances and run of loses cost us 3rd place and that lies with the management. We would have only had 2 games to qualify for group stages.

You really cannot see or don’t want to say how poor he actually is as a manager as you’ve vehemently pushed your linking of him for weeks.

We don’t win Saturday he has to go.

I did see the games and I ain't asking you to buy anything though the fact remains that playing midweek European games has had an effect on our team in the last two league games . Suit yourself wither you want to ignore that fact but it was more or less implied by one of our better senior players that it's been very tough though you know best of course.

As to poor performances that cost us 3rd yes we did have some though we also had some very good performances as well and it could also be said some awful refereeing or VAR decision cost us 3rd as well . The year before he was our manager we were nowhere near 3rd either.

As to me pushing vehemently about him I just want to see him get a fair chance to succeed or any other manager tbh and I won't be judging him or any player in a game were we are playing a team like Villa with all the wealth they have as I think
its unfair to do so . I hope we do win on Saturday though it won't really make any difference to some on here as they will just move on to the next game with an agenda of if he doesn't win this " he has to go" . It's like that film GROUNDHOG DAY on here tbh . :rolleyes:

[jacomo]

Decent effort?


The players did put in a good shift imo. Not gonna criticise them at all. I just don’t think we had any kind of tactical plan really.

[uwxm07]

Some of the play was brilliant from Villa and they have some top top players.

World Cup winner in Martinez.

Digne played for PSG and Barca and had what 3 assists?

Konsa, Carlos and Torres at the back are absolutely solid and that’s with having Mings out.

Kamara and Luiz could keep the ball of someone in a phone box and along with McGinn are also absolute units.

Pace and speed on the counter with all of them comfortable on the ball and able to play on the half turn.

They then brought on Tielemens, Traore and Cash.

They’re so so far out of our league in every aspect.

Up until the second I actually thought the boys done well, after that you could tell they were scared about it getting embarrassing.
That was the feedback from the villa fans in the pub after the match

[Aldo]

I did see the games and I ain't asking you to buy anything though the fact remains that playing midweek European games has had an effect on our team in the last two league games . Suit yourself wither you want to ignore that fact but it was more or less implied by one of our better senior players that it's been very tough though you know best of course.

As to poor performances that cost us 3rd yes we did have some though we also had some very good performances as well and it could also be said some awful refereeing or VAR decision cost us 3rd as well . The year before he was our manager we were nowhere near 3rd either.

As to me pushing vehemently about him I just want to see him get a fair chance to succeed or any other manager tbh and I won't be judging him or any player in a game were we are playing a team like Villa with all the wealth they have as I think
its unfair to do so . I hope we do win on Saturday though it won't really make any difference to some on here as they will just move on to the next game with an agenda of if he doesn't win this " he has to go" . It's like that film GROUNDHOG DAY on here tbh . :rolleyes:

Ok so you don’t think LJ has had a fair chance to succeed. Defeats to Stirling and Falkirk in the LC. Beaten regularly by bottom o six teams and failed to win in god knows how many games.

Tactically naive for a manager of his so called experience and no one knows what sort of formation or style he wants to play.

If you are happy for us to continue in the same vain then I think we all know what to expect from him. Yes all ifs buts and maybes or x,y,z but stumbling along week after week, games after game is not for me. We are so soft it’s unbelievable.

I’m actually beginning to think you are LJ!

It’s now really simple for me. Lose Saturday and he’s gone.

[Iain G]

We sorely miss a Boozy I'm midfield, the player with the ability and belief to take the ball in, hold onto it and make a pass.

[LewysGot2]

Some of the play was brilliant from Villa and they have some top top players.

World Cup winner in Martinez.

Digne played for PSG and Barca and had what 3 assists?

Konsa, Carlos and Torres at the back are absolutely solid and that’s with having Mings out.

Kamara and Luiz could keep the ball of someone in a phone box and along with McGinn are also absolute units.

Pace and speed on the counter with all of them comfortable on the ball and able to play on the half turn.

They then brought on Tielemens, Traore and Cash.

They’re so so far out of our league in every aspect.

Up until the second I actually thought the boys done well, after that you could tell they were scared about it getting embarrassing.


Pretty much. Our speed merchants slower than their defenders.

Their speed of thought, quality and pace of passing and overall ridiculous athleticism that makes them look a different species. TV money/overseas investment has destroyed our ability to compete with clubs in a league on finance steroids.

That wasn’t England v Scotland it was a world Harlem Globetrotters v our low budget version.

The game passed too many of our players by.

The Villa fans probably think SJM is our best player ever on tonight’s evidence- indeed I’ve seen many suggest that on Tweeterville. He’s not. Not even top 5 but those we have had who were better are increasingly in our memories - and our boy has kicked on to a whole new level. He’s a favourite son and showed his humility, respect and friendship tonight in spades. He deserved the ovation from those who stayed to the end and his conduct was ever immaculate.

His middle brother was in the home end of the ground with a couple of Motherwell team mates. Clearly the hottest ticket in town…

[Donegal Hibby]

Ok so you don’t think LJ has had a fair chance to succeed. Defeats to Stirling and Falkirk in the LC. Beaten regularly by bottom o six teams and failed to win in god knows how many games.

Tactically naive for a manager of his so called experience and no one knows what sort of formation or style he wants to play.

If you are happy for us to continue in the same vain then I think we all know what to expect from him. Yes all ifs buts and maybes or x,y,z but stumbling along week after week, games after game is not for me. We are so soft it’s unbelievable.

I’m actually beginning to think you are LJ!

It’s now really simple for me. Lose Saturday and he’s gone.

He was only in the door at that stage tbh and had taken over a squad that was poor who had cost the previous two manager's there Jobs . We have also had good results beaten Celtic , St mirren away when they were on a great run at home , 6 nil against Aberdeen , 2 4-1's against Livvy , totally outplaying Aberdeen and hertz away . Improved our league position on the previous year and qualified for Europe which we have went further in than other times in it .

Again I hope we win Saturday though won't be easy after another European game and if we lose it I don't really know if he's gone or not , I'm not on the Hibs board though beginning to think you are as your so confident in that fact ��

[B.H.F.C]

He was only in the door at that stage tbh and had taken over a squad that was poor who had cost the previous two manager's there Jobs . We have also had good results beaten Celtic , St mirren away when they were on a great run at home , 6 nil against Aberdeen , 2 4-1's against Livvy , totally outplaying Aberdeen and hertz away . Improved our league position on the previous year and qualified for Europe which we have went further in than other times in it .

Again I hope we win Saturday though won't be easy after another European game and if we lose it I don't really know if he's gone or not , I'm not on the Hibs board though beginning to think you are as your so confident in that fact ��

He’s still playing half the players that cost the last two managers their job so he’ll only have himself to blame when he suffers the same fate.

[Willis1875]

He’s still playing half the players that cost the last two managers their job so he’ll only have himself to blame when he suffers the same fate.

Despite signing something like 22/23 himself in the last 3 windows

[Donegal Hibby]

He’s still playing half the players that cost the last two managers their job so he’ll only have himself to blame when he suffers the same fate.

Is this the ones he's tried to move on that wouldn't go because they were put on long term contracts before he got the job your on about btw?

[Donegal Hibby]

Despite signing something like 22/23 himself in the last 3 windows

3 windows ? I thought the club had admitted to making mistakes in the recruitment in the first one did they not ?

[BoomtownHibees]

He was only in the door at that stage tbh and had taken over a squad that was poor who had cost the previous two manager's there Jobs . We have also had good results beaten Celtic , St mirren away when they were on a great run at home , 6 nil against Aberdeen , 2 4-1's against Livvy , totally outplaying Aberdeen and hertz away . Improved our league position on the previous year and qualified for Europe which we have went further in than other times in it .

Again I hope we win Saturday though won't be easy after another European game and if we lose it I don't really know if he's gone or not , I'm not on the Hibs board though beginning to think you are as your so confident in that fact ��

Is it not a concern that you can only name about half a dozen good results in all his time here?

[Willis1875]

3 windows ? I thought the club had admitted to making mistakes in the recruitment in the first one did they not ?

It’s still 3 windows

[HIBS NUTS]

Im going to villa next week, i’m 61 year old , and i’m embarrassed by that performance.
Villa will play many teams in the conference league, from many different countries, but they won’t get an easier game than that.

[Aldo]

He was only in the door at that stage tbh and had taken over a squad that was poor who had cost the previous two manager's there Jobs . We have also had good results beaten Celtic , St mirren away when they were on a great run at home , 6 nil against Aberdeen , 2 4-1's against Livvy , totally outplaying Aberdeen and hertz away . Improved our league position on the previous year and qualified for Europe which we have went further in than other times in it .

Again I hope we win Saturday though won't be easy after another European game and if we lose it I don't really know if he's gone or not , I'm not on the Hibs board though beginning to think you are as your so confident in that fact ��

You just don’t see it or get it do you.

We are woeful. An hour v St Mirren and then Motherwell. It was exactly the same and sometimes even worse against the likes of St J and Dundee Utd.

The poor performances outweigh the good ones.

He’s naive, got no idea what he’s doing regarding tactics or formations and regularly throws the players under the bus. This is from a manager with 500 games under his belt.

We won’t see any change this season unless we bring at least 4 quality first team starters before this transfer window ends. Tbh I don’t really want him bringing anymore in

[B.H.F.C]

Is this the ones he's tried to move on that wouldn't go because they were put on long term contracts before he got the job your on about btw?

We’ve signed 20 plus players since he came in. Just because players are on long contracts doesn’t mean they still need to play.

We shouldn’t be in a position where we’re still so reliant on Hanlon and Stevenson. We’ve went and paid a fee for a centre half who is fourth choice. A left back who he’s not actually played at left back.

He’s still played various combinations of the terrible trio in midfield (including the three of them). No criticism aimed at Newell there by the way (just them as a collective).

[Since452]

Im going to villa next week, i’m 61 year old , and i’m embarrassed by that performance.
Villa will play many teams in the conference league, from many different countries, but they won’t get an easier game than that.

Because the teams that they play will be in the group stages therefore better than us. The just skelped Everton 4-0. Does that make us almost as good as them?

[Donegal Hibby]

It’s still 3 windows

With major errors made in the the first , a January one that most managers complain is extremely hard to do business in and now this one , yes your right it's 3 though two haven't exactly been easy now have they ?

[Helensburghhibs]

Just home. Goals were poor but villa are a class above. Skill, physicality everything. To sum it up their defence is just as quick as our speed merchants. Personally glad i seen them at easter road as some of their football was outstanding. One point though. How johnson never put a man beside digne is beyond me. It was always gona be him going forward as konsa is a cb playin at right back and with mginn left mid only one man was gona attack on the left and we gave hin the freedom of easted road.

[BoomtownHibees]

With major errors made in the the first , a January one that most managers complain is extremely hard to do business in and now this one , yes your right it's 3 though two haven't exactly been easy now have they ?

He has been involved in all 3

[HIBS NUTS]

Because the teams that they play will be in the group stages therefore better than us. The just skelped Everton 4-0. Does that make us almost as good as them?

I wasent expecting hibs to do well tonight,
but i thought we were rubbish all over the park.
If villa played a team like stevenage they woudnt win 5-0! away, without them laying a glove on them.
We were honking .

[HIBS NUTS]

Absolutely no hibs fan can defend that performance tonight it was absolutely awful.
I’m usually a positive person on this forum.
But That was honking .

[Willis1875]

With major errors made in the the first , a January one that most managers complain is extremely hard to do business in and now this one , yes your right it's 3 though two haven't exactly been easy now have they ?

I didn’t at any point claim they were easy,I said he had signed something like 22/23 players in 3 windows which is correct regardless of whether mistakes were made or not.The mistakes in the first window were also his mistakes given that he attached his name to most of those signings by means of quoting “he had tracked such and such for x amount of time”

[Donegal Hibby]

You just don’t see it or get it do you.

We are woeful. An hour v St Mirren and then Motherwell. It was exactly the same and sometimes even worse against the likes of St J and Dundee Utd.

The poor performances outweigh the good ones.

He’s naive, got no idea what he’s doing regarding tactics or formations and regularly throws the players under the bus. This is from a manager with 500 games under his belt.

We won’t see any change this season unless we bring at least 4 quality first team starters before this transfer window ends. Tbh I don’t really want him bringing anymore in

I don't know who doesn't see or get it tbh We were woeful for an hour against St Mirren though after that when we came back to 2-2 we looked the more likely to win it before we got caught on the break . Motherwell we were awful in though as I said playing in Europe has had an effect on us in our opening two games for a number of reasons . One is we have hardly been training much as it's been more about trying to recover before our next game .

We improved in finishing 5th compared to 8th the year before with at times some excellent football played too !

Your talking absolutely rubbish now in your remarks the manager throws players under the bus ! It's a myth with absolutely no evidence to back it up other than folk who hate the manager and have an agenda against him btw .

[ekhibee]

Sorry but I thought the defending by Hibs tonight was poor. I thought we would get beaten easily before the game and unfortunately I was right and I take no pleasure in it. For part of the 1st half the midfield and strikers had a go, but too often ended up having to cover back because the defence wasn't strong enough or fast enough to deal with Villa, who basically never had to get out of 2nd gear. It would be easy to say okay, we won't be playing against sides like Villa every week, but we've been losing to Motherwell and St Mirren never mind an English premiership side. Villa are a decent team to be sure, better than us obviously, but I still don't really know how good they are cos they really didn't have to work that hard to score tonight IMO.

[ScottB]

Marshall watching crosses just sail over his head without even flinching… dunno what he has to do to get benched, would rather see any of our other keepers get a run out at this point.

[JohnM1875]

Just in so not read the thread, but how ****ing good were Villa! Easily had another two of three gears to go and smoked us.

Think that's probably the best team I've ever seen play at Easter Road. Just everything was done with a purpose.

[Donegal Hibby]

Just in so not read the thread, but how ****ing good were Villa! Easily had another two of three gears to go and smoked us.

Think that's probably the best team I've ever seen play at Easter Road. Just everything was done with a purpose.

Are they the favourites for it ? . Might be worth a flutter if they aren't going by tonight . Best team I've seen at ER TBH .

[BSEJVT]

I don't know who doesn't see or get it tbh We were woeful for an hour against St Mirren though after that when we came back to 2-2 we looked the more likely to win it before we got caught on the break . Motherwell we were awful in though as I said playing in Europe has had an effect on us in our opening two games for a number of reasons . One is we have hardly been training much as it's been more about trying to recover before our next game .

We improved in finishing 5th compared to 8th the year before with at times some excellent football played too !

Your talking absolutely rubbish now in your remarks the manager throws players under the bus ! It's a myth with absolutely no evidence to back it up other than folk who hate the manager and have an agenda against him btw .

This agenda against the manager stuff

Please explain it to me?

Why would anyone have such a thing unless he had personally done them some harm?

It’s like me saying those that support him have an agenda for him, empty words and patent nonsense.

How do people decide anything?

They look at the situation, interpret why they think that is the situation, who is responsible and what needs to change.

Perfectly reasonable that 2 different people reach 2 entirely different conclusions but this agenda nonsense is total crap.

If LJ’s excoriation of Fish after St Mirren game wasn’t the epitome of throwing someone under a bus I don’t know what is.

To publicly question a professional footballers desire or lack thereof is poor poor stuff.

If he has questions over that he shouldn’t be picking him in the first place

[Since452]

Just in so not read the thread, but how ****ing good were Villa! Easily had another two of three gears to go and smoked us.

Think that's probably the best team I've ever seen play at Easter Road. Just everything was done with a purpose.

They were excellent.

[Bobby's Cinema]

Just in so not read the thread, but how ****ing good were Villa! Easily had another two of three gears to go and smoked us.

Think that's probably the best team I've ever seen play at Easter Road. Just everything was done with a purpose.
Fair play to Emry with his comments about the line-up and performance showing respect to us. Thanks mate :greengrin
He also said they deserved to win but maybe not the five - but it looked every bit of that. Some of their play around the box was just toying with us at times.

[WhileTheChief..]

This agenda against the manager stuff

Please explain it to me?

Why would anyone have such a thing unless he had personally done them some harm?

It’s like me saying those that support him have an agenda for him, empty words and patent nonsense.

How do people decide anything?

They look at the situation, interpret why they think that is the situation, who is responsible and what needs to change.

Perfectly reasonable that 2 different people reach 2 entirely different conclusions but this agenda nonsense is total crap.

If LJ’s excoriation of Fish after St Mirren game wasn’t the epitome of throwing someone under a bus I don’t know what is.

To publicly question a professional footballers desire or lack thereof is poor poor stuff.

If he has questions over that he shouldn’t be picking him in the first place

The agenda stuff is all he's got. Him and a few other posters on here.

As you say, it's empty words, and is basically trolling the rest of us.

No-one has ever come out and explained what the agenda is, just that there's some mystical, nasty agenda, that by coincidence, 1000s of us have.

Bear in mind you're quoting someone who has never been to ER and only started posting on here when LJ was manager. It's probably more apt to say he's got an agenda in keeping LJ in situ.

[Alfred E Newman]

Fair play to Emry with his comments about the line-up and performance showing respect to us. Thanks mate :greengrin
He also said they deserved to win but maybe not the five - but it looked every bit of that. Some of their play around the box was just toying with us at times.

Very respectful and a top manager but the truth is they could have scored another 5 if they had wanted to.

[Aldo]

I don't know who doesn't see or get it tbh We were woeful for an hour against St Mirren though after that when we came back to 2-2 we looked the more likely to win it before we got caught on the break . Motherwell we were awful in though as I said playing in Europe has had an effect on us in our opening two games for a number of reasons . One is we have hardly been training much as it's been more about trying to recover before our next game .

We improved in finishing 5th compared to 8th the year before with at times some excellent football played too !

Your talking absolutely rubbish now in your remarks the manager throws players under the bus ! It's a myth with absolutely no evidence to back it up other than folk who hate the manager and have an agenda against him btw .

You’ve just repeated what I said on previous posts regarding St Mirren and Motherwell.
You’ve obviously not listened to him speaking about players but he has openly stated he has earned the right to criticise them in public. Will fish being an example.

We have had a handful of decent games where we have played well. More woeful games where we’ve hoofed and hoofed diagonal passes to the corners. This is a directive from the manager. If this want the case he’d be at the to get it down and play.

You really think the football since he too over has been consistently good? (Your quote - excellent football too) He’s had plenty time and I know other posters have provided more detail but you just keep making the same excuses about Europe and recovery.

You constantly bang on about Europe bring the issue and recovery what about the run of games when we lost 8 or so on the bounce, playing utterly woeful football etc. so is that still the European hangover in Jan/feb.

As for not being on the training ground if the manager has had them sitting about for days watching videos of performances I would question why they were not out on the training pitch trying to sort the defensive debacle out.

Just for clarity it’s not an agenda it’s factual and visual based evidence ie performances and results.

Whilst I appreciate posters opinion all you’ve done is reword previous posts to try and get over a point.

[K-Zazu]

Is this the ones he's tried to move on that wouldn't go because they were put on long term contracts before he got the job your on about btw?

Nah that would be Hanlon, Stevenson, Newell, Campbell, JDH, Doidge etc

[Tambo]

Late to the thread, watched the game around a mates and working today so not much time to have a post.

The gulf in players was obvious, still some sloppy goals we conceded. Not sure any real standout players for us, thought Joe Newell was not to bad.

Was a big Youan fan last year and expected him to be key again this season for us, what a frustrating game again. From what I've seen this season he wasn't as greedy as last? Seems to me he is to good for Hibs now, I might be getting the wrong impression.

It was a good run and who knows if we got a kinder draw, Villa will be one of the favourites to win the thing early on.

Scrap the second leg as it could be double digits on aggregate.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

My mum used to always say it was a sign of good luck if a bird crapped on you :)

Some people will pay good money for that! 😳🤭