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HIBERNIAN-0762
06-08-2023, 04:11 PM
Thoughts?

K-Zazu
06-08-2023, 04:12 PM
McInnes

Stuart93
06-08-2023, 04:13 PM
Robinson

Pagan Hibernia
06-08-2023, 04:13 PM
McInnes

please god no

1875Sean
06-08-2023, 04:14 PM
Robinson

No thanks

Callum_62
06-08-2023, 04:16 PM
Martindale

He shouts on the touchline

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HendoDelivered
06-08-2023, 04:17 PM
Foreign route

Stuart93
06-08-2023, 04:17 PM
Neilson 👀

Pagan Hibernia
06-08-2023, 04:17 PM
Alan Stubbs?

bordergreen
06-08-2023, 04:18 PM
Thoughts?

Anyone except the clueless clown we currently have…

HarpOnHibee
06-08-2023, 04:19 PM
John Collins. six packs all round and a tutorial on marking and heading the ball for the defenders.

CapitalGreen
06-08-2023, 04:19 PM
Doesn’t really matter. Whoever we bring in will give Newell, JDH and Campbell a clean slate and we’ll just reset the whole process again and be back here in a year having the same conversation again.

The Captain....
06-08-2023, 04:20 PM
I just want the wee slaver gone...anything is an upgrade on LJ.

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HIBERNIAN-0762
06-08-2023, 04:23 PM
Anyone prepared to take a chance on Ian Murray and Boozy?

Vault Boy
06-08-2023, 04:24 PM
Anyone prepared to take a chance on Ian Murray and Boozy?

I’d take Al Murray and his boozer at this point

HendoDelivered
06-08-2023, 04:25 PM
Lennon was at the game today. Would probably take him over LJ.

NC1875
06-08-2023, 04:25 PM
I’d take Al Murray and his boozer at this point

😂

Wilson
06-08-2023, 04:26 PM
Lennon was at the game today. Would probably take him over LJ.

Imagine.

Since90+2
06-08-2023, 04:26 PM
Lennon was at the game today. Would probably take him over LJ.

So would I, will never happen though.

HIBERNIAN-0762
06-08-2023, 04:26 PM
I’d take Al Murray and his boozer at this point

😂 👍

NC1875
06-08-2023, 04:28 PM
Imagine.

I’d have taken John Lennon over LJ tbf.

Ozyhibby
06-08-2023, 04:36 PM
please god no

Why not? All the top 3 finishes not to your taste?


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Hibby Bairn
06-08-2023, 04:38 PM
Why not? All the top 3 finishes not to your taste?


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I know. I've never understood why Hibs fans don't want him. Best non Old Firm manager in Prem in years.

Solid, consistent results over many years.

Malthibby
06-08-2023, 04:50 PM
Hate to say it but we can't get shot of him yet; he's not looking good & he doesn't seem to have a clue about formations, doesn't see it's wrong to hang Delfierre out to dry at fullback because he doesn't like Miller(?), doesn't see D-H is a serious part of the problem
in a midfield that's so dysfunctional we're reduced to shelling the ball up the pitch over the top of it, etc etc, but that third goal wasn't his fault; it was primary school defending from everyone (who managed to not be) involved in stopping it.

The scariest thing is our two goals only came after St. Mirren took off their number 20, who had rag-dolled our defence, but they still scored again; they deserved the win, but we'll have to wait & see what LJ can do about it.
If the answer is nothing he will go sooner than later.

Silky
06-08-2023, 04:55 PM
I know. I've never understood why Hibs fans don't want him. Best non Old Firm manager in Prem in years.

Solid, consistent results over many years.

I think there were loads of comments on a thread ages ago about him and the consensus was that it was his style of football that had people against him. There doesn't seem to be an appetite for turgid, boring football, even if we finish third. The same accusations were levelled at Ross.

Pete
06-08-2023, 04:57 PM
Come back Jack Ross, all is forgiven!

Hibby Bairn
06-08-2023, 04:57 PM
I think there were loads of comments on a thread ages ago about him and the consensus was that it was his style of football that had people against him. There doesn't seem to be an appetite for turgid, boring football, even if we finish third. The same accusations were levelled at Ross.

Love playing 3 up top and getting horsed by Andorran amateurs and then St Mirren at home.

Time for us to get real.

tonyrougier123
06-08-2023, 04:58 PM
McInnes

Every day of the week until it happens!

dp00
06-08-2023, 04:58 PM
Mental to think there are folk who wouldn’t have martindale or Robinson … both have done better with less


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Leith Green
06-08-2023, 05:10 PM
I cant see past just getting shot of him. Who we appoint afterwards is another thing. Not sorted some pretty glaring weaknesses yet managed to spend close to 2 million. Could and should have spent good money on that midfield. Campbell and doyle hayes aren’t gonna cut it. That midfield has seen off 2 Hibs managers, and another soon to come. You would think the penny would drop

Northernhibee
06-08-2023, 05:11 PM
McInnes.

thebausburst
06-08-2023, 05:13 PM
McInnes

JammyDoidger
06-08-2023, 05:16 PM
Robinson or Mciness would be a better shout than the wee fool that's in charge just now that's for sure.

HIBS NUTS
06-08-2023, 05:18 PM
IF we were to get a new manager
it should be
Steven Robertson st mirren
Shouts all game, conducts the players, gets every player giving 100 percent.

Pretty Boy
06-08-2023, 05:18 PM
It has to be McIness. Should have been him last time and should definitely be this time.

Proven at St Johnstone and Aberdeen. Achieved his 2 key objectives at Killie and, based on yesterday, now he has cleared the deadwood away looks like he has put together a very decent side on a shoestring.

TheGog
06-08-2023, 05:28 PM
Scott Parker
Ruud Van Nistlerooy
Mcinnes
Robinson
Jon Dal Thomason
Neil Francis Lennon
Dean Smith
Jocelyn Gourvennec

BlackSheep
06-08-2023, 05:29 PM
Having spoken to an ex-hibee now playing under Marvin Bartley…. I’d throw his name in the hat.

JamesHFC
06-08-2023, 05:34 PM
Having spoken to an ex-hibee now playing under Marvin Bartley…. I’d throw his name in the hat.

Too soon for him. I hope he has a great season with QOTS though and gives himself an opportunity of the job further down the line.

ErinGoBraghHFC
06-08-2023, 05:36 PM
Has to be Del McInnes, our main problems are clearly defensive. He’d sort that out.


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Stevie Reid
06-08-2023, 05:39 PM
Out of this league, McInnes would be my clear preference, Robinson impresses me also.

Brightside
06-08-2023, 05:40 PM
Derek for me

CapitalGreen
06-08-2023, 05:46 PM
It has to be McIness. Should have been him last time and should definitely be this time.

Proven at St Johnstone and Aberdeen. Achieved his 2 key objectives at Killie and, based on yesterday, now he has cleared the deadwood away looks like he has put together a very decent side on a shoestring.

Should have been him before Maloney when he was out of a job. Now we’d need to pay compo and he’d command a higher wage.

JamesHFC
06-08-2023, 05:48 PM
I expect there will be plenty more managers available before Lee is gone.

SaulGoodman
06-08-2023, 05:50 PM
Someone that knows the league. Someone that knows how to set up a team in this league. Someone that plays players in proper positions. Someone that reacts to what’s happening in front of him.

No more of these experimental managers from English lower leagues that did well for a while, but then they didn’t and that’s why we’ve signed them.

Is it any surprise that our best seasons in the top flight since we came back up have come from managers experienced in the Scottish league?

It’s not rocket science, we don’t need a Pep in charge. With our budget and fanbase just get a manager in to steady the ship and set our team up to compete in a **** league.

B.H.F.C
06-08-2023, 05:51 PM
We won’t need one any time soon.

'mon the beers
06-08-2023, 05:52 PM
McInnes, his sides always have a clear idea of how he wants them to play and also understand the dark arts to see out games which is something we’ve been missing for years.

AgentDaleCooper
06-08-2023, 05:56 PM
McInnes is the best we could possibly get - outwith the OF, his Aberdeen team was practically a dynasty, even though they weren't very exciting to watch, necessarily (though they did have a fair amount of players that would get you off your seat).

ErinGoBraghHFC
06-08-2023, 05:58 PM
McInnes is the best we could possibly get - outwith the OF, his Aberdeen team was practically a dynasty, even though they weren't very exciting to watch, necessarily (though they did have a fair amount of players that would get you off your seat).

On paper this hibs squad is fairly similar to his Aberdeen teams, two exciting wingers, an experienced forward, some decent midfield players if you play them in the right combinations. He would do well with this squad imo


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sleeping giant
06-08-2023, 05:59 PM
McInnes for me.
Need structure and stability.

18Craig75
06-08-2023, 06:00 PM
Neil Francis Lennon

Ozyhibby
06-08-2023, 06:00 PM
And paying compo to Killie is cheaper than failing again.


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SHODAN
06-08-2023, 06:00 PM
Next manager GTF, not good enough.

ErinGoBraghHFC
06-08-2023, 06:02 PM
Next manager GTF, not good enough.

I know you’re at the wind up but if BK’s previous appointments are anything to go by, you’re probably right


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SHODAN
06-08-2023, 06:03 PM
I know you’re at the wind up but if BK’s previous appointments are anything to go by, you’re probably right


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Wind ups aside, would imagine McDermott would pick the next one (hopefully).

ErinGoBraghHFC
06-08-2023, 06:06 PM
Wind ups aside, would imagine McDermott would pick the next one (hopefully).

I hope he picks himself


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Col2
06-08-2023, 06:11 PM
I wonder if the people suggesting McInnes would have said the same at the end of last season. Even Killie fans were close to hounding him out.

I have always rated Robinson. Genuinely gets the best from his teams.

tonyrougier123
06-08-2023, 06:14 PM
Having spoken to an ex-hibee now playing under Marvin Bartley…. I’d throw his name in the hat.

One day,but definitely not the now.

GreenGray
06-08-2023, 06:15 PM
Was so against McInnes last time, would take him now. He’d do well with the money we’re spending I’m convinced.


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hibees 7062
06-08-2023, 06:16 PM
Robinson

Pretty Boy
06-08-2023, 06:16 PM
I wonder if the people suggesting McInnes would have said the same at the end of last season. Even Killie fans were close to hounding him out.

I have always rated Robinson. Genuinely gets the best from his teams.

I was saying it then and I'm saying it now.

He's a manger that gets the job done. If you aren't into 3rd place finishes and the latter stages of cups then he's not for you; if you are then he's a no brainer.

SHODAN
06-08-2023, 06:17 PM
I was saying it then and I'm saying it now.

He's a manger that gets the job done. If you aren't into 3rd place finishes and the latter stages of cups then he's not for you; if you are then he's a no brainer.

:agree: I can take a six man defence kicking the **** out of Hearts and time-wasting at every opportunity on the way to an atrocious 1-0 win at Tynecastle. It's better than whatever we're currently doing.

GreenGray
06-08-2023, 06:18 PM
I wonder if the people suggesting McInnes would have said the same at the end of last season. Even Killie fans were close to hounding him out.

I have always rated Robinson. Genuinely gets the best from his teams.

Can’t believe I’m going to bat for McInnes but last season for Killie was all about survival, they had a championship squad who were all out of contract at the end of the season.

He kept them up and got a trip to Hampden, not bad. They’ll do well this season now he’s brought in own players.


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He's here!
06-08-2023, 06:20 PM
I was saying it then and I'm saying it now.

He's a manger that gets the job done. If you aren't into 3rd place finishes and the latter stages of cups then he's not for you; if you are then he's a no brainer.

Something Jack Ross delivered for us. Would we take him back? I personally felt he was harshly treated and the late Ron Gordon more or less admitted as much.

Cat Stanton
06-08-2023, 06:21 PM
Thoughts?

Anyone.

Col2
06-08-2023, 06:21 PM
I was saying it then and I'm saying it now.

He's a manger that gets the job done. If you aren't into 3rd place finishes and the latter stages of cups then he's not for you; if you are then he's a no brainer.

He is definitely a better option just now but Killie we’re close to relegation with him. Johnson is a clown.

LewysGot2
06-08-2023, 06:21 PM
Can’t believe I’m going to bat for McInnes but last season for Killie was all about survival, they had a championship squad who were all out of contract at the end of the season.

He kept them up and got a trip to Hampden, not bad. They’ll do well this season now he’s brought in own players.


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We expected previous very defensively minded managers to be binned for exactly that - being very defensively minded. He's the King of 1-0. He'd not stand a chance.

SickBoy32
06-08-2023, 06:22 PM
McInnes or Lennon

Both would massively improve us

GreenGray
06-08-2023, 06:22 PM
We expected previous very defensively minded managers to be binned for exactly that - being very defensively minded. He's the King of 1-0. He'd not stand a chance.

I said the exact same thing last year when he was linked. Without speaking for a whole fan base I get the impression thanks a year of Lee Johnson many fans would take stability and winning right now.


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southern hibby
06-08-2023, 06:23 PM
Neil Lennon was at the game today ( apparently)

Not batting for him just saying!!!!!!!

GGTTH

JohnM1875
06-08-2023, 06:23 PM
Neil Lennon was at the game today ( apparently)

Not batting for him just saying!!!!!!!

GGTTH

I'm batting for him. Get him in.

gazzag70
06-08-2023, 06:23 PM
Lennon was at the game today. Would probably take him over LJ.

Absolutely the best man for the job.

Pretty Boy
06-08-2023, 06:24 PM
Something Jack Ross delivered for us. Would we take him back? I personally felt he was harshly treated and the late Ron Gordon more or less admitted as much.

With hindsight we made a mistake sacking Ross.

There was an emotive element with him because we lost a semi final v Hearts and the semi final and final v St Johnstone.

I was ambivalent about Ross and always said I was not bothered one way or another. Looking at it now he was miles ahead of the current incumbent. McInnes is cut from the same cloth but arguably has an even better pedigree than Ross.

LewysGot2
06-08-2023, 06:25 PM
Neil Lennon was at the game today ( apparently)

Not batting for him just saying!!!!!!!

GGTTH

His son plays for St Mirren

hibees 7062
06-08-2023, 06:36 PM
Robinson

Stevie Reid
06-08-2023, 06:39 PM
With hindsight we made a mistake sacking Ross.

There was an emotive element with him because we lost a semi final v Hearts and the semi final and final v St Johnstone.

I was ambivalent about Ross and always said I was not bothered one way or another. Looking at it now he was miles ahead of the current incumbent. McInnes is cut from the same cloth but arguably has an even better pedigree than Ross.

I liked Ross but there’s no doubt that McInnes has a better pedigree than him. Think he’s managed in the SPL for ten full seasons and achieved his target in the vast majority of them. Even when he was sacked I think Aberdeen were miles clear in 4th place.

Didn’t win less than 20 games in any of his full 38 games seasons with Aberdeen, IIRC.

K-Zazu
06-08-2023, 06:47 PM
:agree: I can take a six man defence kicking the **** out of Hearts and time-wasting at every opportunity on the way to an atrocious 1-0 win at Tynecastle. It's better than whatever we're currently doing.

This, every single day.

Vault Boy
06-08-2023, 06:49 PM
Once again, Neil Lennon would at least be funny.

McInnes is a sensible option though, and a steady Eddy that could get things back on track.

He's here!
06-08-2023, 06:52 PM
I liked Ross but there’s no doubt that McInnes has a better pedigree than him. Think he’s managed in the SPL for ten full seasons and achieved his target in the vast majority of them. Even when he was sacked I think Aberdeen were miles clear in 4th place.

Didn’t win less than 20 games in any of his full 38 games seasons with Aberdeen, IIRC.

And yet he used to get a stack of flak on here for his perceived defensive/fouling tactics when he was Aberdeen boss and used to grind out 1-0 wins at ER.

I guess when all's said and done we just want to win regularly (like all football fans) and we're so fed up with these maddening stop-start seasons with no discernible structure to our manager's tactics that a solid, unspectacular boss like McInnes now seems a sound option.

The Captain....
06-08-2023, 06:57 PM
With the benefit of 20/20 hindsight it seems obvious now that we should have appointed McInnes instead of Johnson.

At the very least I agree with the sentiment that the next manager should have experience of the league. The naivety of our current manager has cost us on countless occasions since the sad day he arrived.

His time is up imo..it's only going to get uglier the longer he's here and continuing to annoy the fans with his charmless, verbose interviews.


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Hibee Daft
06-08-2023, 07:18 PM
Alan Stubbs - I think he has unfinished buisness here


Derek Mcinness - He has shown hes a good manager at this level


Ian Murray - Probably too soon but alot more experience than maloney and is someone thats gets Hibs.

Nicho87
06-08-2023, 07:21 PM
Neil Lennon

Nobody else

Willis1875
06-08-2023, 07:21 PM
Alan Stubbs - I think he has unfinished buisness here


Derek Mcinness - He has shown hes a good manager at this level


Ian Murray - Probably too soon but alot more experience than maloney and is someone thats gets Hibs.

I wouldn’t say Murray is too soon as he’s been managing for 11 years now,it’s just that his managerial record is very up and down and not all that great.He would be a no for me

JohnM1875
06-08-2023, 07:22 PM
Neil Lennon

Nobody else

Completely agree

Hibee Daft
06-08-2023, 07:27 PM
I wouldn’t say Murray is too soon as he’s been managing for 11 years now,it’s just that his managerial record is very up and down and not all that great.He would be a no for me

Someone cutting his teeth in the lower leagues and gaining that experience is alot more preferable than a complete newbie to management (Maloney, Naismith)

HendoDelivered
06-08-2023, 07:30 PM
Alan Stubbs - I think he has unfinished buisness here


Derek Mcinness - He has shown hes a good manager at this level


Ian Murray - Probably too soon but alot more experience than maloney and is someone thats gets Hibs.

Stubbs has no unfinished business. Won us the holy grail lets leave it at that

Willis1875
06-08-2023, 07:33 PM
Someone cutting his teeth in the lower leagues and gaining that experience is alot more preferable than a complete newbie to management (Maloney, Naismith)

He’s not really cutting his teeth in management,he’s managed over 300 games at a lower level losing almost as many as he’s won.
It won’t be him when the time comes anyway

eastmainsmsh
06-08-2023, 07:36 PM
Alan Stubbs - I think he has unfinished buisness here


Derek Mcinness - He has shown hes a good manager at this level


Ian Murray - Probably too soon but alot more experience than maloney and is someone thats gets Hibs.

Stubbs general Manager with Murray first team coach

hibsforeurope
06-08-2023, 07:36 PM
When Ross was scacked micinnes would have been a huge no from me. But we’ve fallen so far that he would be a perfect fit to steady the ship and sort out our obvious shortcomings.
Failing mcinnes I’d love lennon back.

LaMotta
06-08-2023, 07:37 PM
Mental to think there are folk who wouldn’t have martindale or Robinson … both have done better with less


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Its not that mental to not want Martindale anywhere near our club. He's a total jakeball.

Northernhibee
06-08-2023, 07:38 PM
A big no to Lennon for me. Inherited a fantastic squad and dismantled it, leaving Heckingbottom an unbalanced mess that we’ve still not fully recovered from IMO.

bingo70
06-08-2023, 07:43 PM
Rhulani Mokwena -

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhulani_Mokwena

Nick Montgomery-

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Montgomery

Desmond Buckingham -

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Des_Buckingham

There’s 3 left field names I saw mentioned for other jobs that I thought looked interesting.

WhileTheChief..
06-08-2023, 07:45 PM
I just want the wee slaver gone...anything is an upgrade on LJ.

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Yup.

You'd be hard pressed to appoint anyone as bad as Maloney or LJ.

Even if you tried really, really hard, the man you'd get would still be a step up.

Paulie Walnuts
06-08-2023, 07:51 PM
Yup.

You'd be hard pressed to appoint anyone as bad as Maloney or LJ.

Even if you tried really, really hard, the man you'd get would still be a step up.

The incredible thing is that LJ hasn’t even been an upgrade on Maloney.

His record is better by the most marginal of margins despite having a backing that Maloney could only dream of.

Billy Whizz
06-08-2023, 07:52 PM
The incredible thing is that LJ hasn’t even been an upgrade on Maloney.

His record is better by the most marginal of margins despite having a backing that Maloney could only dream of.

Maloney should never have been appointed as he had no experience. He was however handed a dreadful window. An experienced manager would never have accepted that
And the rest is history

Hibee Daft
06-08-2023, 07:53 PM
He’s not really cutting his teeth in management,he’s managed over 300 games at a lower level losing almost as many as he’s won.
It won’t be him when the time comes anyway

Fair enough but hes someone managing in just the league below us has a connection to the club and has had relative success with Airdrie.

If he does well with Raith in the next season or so then i think hes worth considering. Thats why i said keep an eye on him.

Having 300 odd games experience at around 40 years old aint
a bad thing. Still very young as a manager

Paulie Walnuts
06-08-2023, 07:57 PM
Maloney should never have been appointed as he had no experience. He was however handed a dreadful window. An experienced manager would never have accepted that
And the rest is history

Agree.

Maloney got 7 signings, 2 of them were already offered terms before he even took over (Henderson and Mueller), Melkersen was Kensells work and Clarke was actually half decent. After that we had Rocky who is crap and Jasper and Mitchell who were *****. He also had the only performing player we had that season sold the minute he got in the door.

Compare that with the backing LJ has had and it’s night and day. Maloney was thrown under the bus, LJ has been given backing like no other and yet they have produced very similar results.

The guy is a ****ing joke.

Keith_M
06-08-2023, 08:03 PM
Neil Lennon

Nobody else


No thanks.

He was really good when managing a fantastic squad, with the best midfield we had in years, but as soon as that was gone he went into total meltdown mode and didn't have a clue what to do.

JohnM1875
06-08-2023, 08:05 PM
No thanks.

He was really good when managing a fantastic squad, with the best midfield we had in years, but as soon as that was gone he went into total meltdown mode and didn't have a clue what to do.

Neil Lennon is by a distance a better manager than Lee Johnson is.

WhileTheChief..
06-08-2023, 08:13 PM
Neil Lennon

Nobody else

He should definitely be one of the names being considered.

Cantona70
06-08-2023, 08:14 PM
I just want the wee slaver gone...anything is an upgrade on LJ.

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Nicho87
06-08-2023, 08:49 PM
At one point I thought he was trying to help st Mirren

Martin Boyle being moved back to a wing back position must have delighted the st Mirren defence

Criminal decision from LJ when he knew he was only getting 60 mins max from Boyle today.

JohnM1875
06-08-2023, 08:51 PM
At one point I thought he was trying to help st Mirren

Martin Boyle being moved back to a wing back position must have delighted the st Mirren defence

Criminal decision from LJ when he knew he was only getting 60 mins max from Boyle today.

It honestly makes zero sense eh? I couldn't believe it when it happened and thought it must have been temporary. Baffling.

Not In The Know
06-08-2023, 08:52 PM
Neil Lennon is by a distance a better manager than Lee Johnson is.

Take SJM outta lennons teams and we’d be 6th/7th

JohnM1875
06-08-2023, 08:52 PM
Take SJM outta lennons teams and we’d be 6th/7th

Great logic that.

Take the best player out of any team in the world and they'd be worse off.

Nicho87
06-08-2023, 08:54 PM
Take SJM outta lennons teams and we’d be 6th/7th

Rubbish

Take LJ out the managers role and we don’t get beat today.

greenlex
06-08-2023, 08:54 PM
Rhys McCabe

B.H.F.C
06-08-2023, 08:55 PM
At one point I thought he was trying to help st Mirren

Martin Boyle being moved back to a wing back position must have delighted the st Mirren defence

Criminal decision from LJ when he knew he was only getting 60 mins max from Boyle today.

Playing as a wing back is the biggest shift you’ll do on a football pitch. He’s banged on for ages about looking after Boyle. Here you go Martin, have the graveyard shift.

Nicho87
06-08-2023, 08:55 PM
It honestly makes zero sense eh? I couldn't believe it when it happened and thought it must have been temporary. Baffling.

Said it for ages I’d play Boyle right through the middle or in 2 up top.

Him and doidge may be decent

Leaving Youane in a wide position

Nicho87
06-08-2023, 08:58 PM
Playing as a wing back is the biggest shift you’ll do on a football pitch. He’s banged on for ages about looking after Boyle. Here you go Martin, have the graveyard shift.

My point exactly.

Medical team must be loving that one

As I said summed up for me LJ lack of awareness and stubbornness.

Miller should have been brought on rather than a player coming back after 10 months expecting to cover the whole right wing.

Scandalous

Paulie Walnuts
06-08-2023, 09:00 PM
No idea who I’d look for next but I wouldn’t have even quoted LJ or JDT last time round so it’s quite clear there’s stacks of people out there who the club will know about that the fans won’t necessarily know of so I wouldn’t let that put us off binning him.

Leith Green
06-08-2023, 09:07 PM
My point exactly.

Medical team must be loving that one

As I said summed up for me LJ lack of awareness and stubbornness.

Miller should have been brought on rather than a player coming back after 10 months expecting to cover the whole right wing.

Scandalous



Look at the whole Doidge situation, shows what level of competence or should i say lack of competence Lee Johnson actually possesses.. He is now going back in time with his team selection , that alone sums his signings up.. Spine of Hanlon , Newell , Doyle Hayes , Campbell , Doidge … Its basically jack ross team 2 years after he has left

Alfred E Newman
06-08-2023, 09:17 PM
Look at the whole Doidge situation, shows what level of competence or should i say lack of competence Lee Johnson actually possesses.. He is now going back in time with his team selection , that alone sums his signings up.. Spine of Hanlon , Newell , Doyle Hayes , Campbell , Doidge … Its basically jack ross team 2 years after he has left

That is frightening.

Nicho87
06-08-2023, 09:22 PM
Every hibs fan and their respective dug knew a midfield 3 of JDH, Newell and Campbell were rotten in the past.

It didn’t work then

It doesn’t work now

He’s had 3 windows to sort it and that’s our opening midfield for a season opener.

Clock is ticking. I don’t think he’ll see the derby.

I'm Spartacus
06-08-2023, 09:23 PM
I'll start the criteria with an essential part of the recruitment.

How about any ****** with zero connection to Hearts? Knowing us we will go for Robbie Replay or Robbo, our last 2 appointments have been against us before they even got started.

Scott Brown and Steven Whittaker, no messing about.

Bostonhibby
06-08-2023, 09:25 PM
I’d take Al Murray and his boozer at this pointF it, in that case, I'll do it. I know a lot about boozers and am a fan of Al Murray.

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hibee-boys
06-08-2023, 09:30 PM
I'll start the criteria with an essential part of the recruitment.

How about any ****** with zero connection to Hearts? Knowing us we will go for Robbie Replay or Robbo, our last 2 appointments have been against us before they even got started.

Scott Brown and Steven Whittaker, no messing about.

I really don’t pay much attention to other divisions. Anyone got a sense of how Brown is getting on in management? I’d love a manager at Hibs with his passion for the club and personality but probably too early on his managerial career?

Stevie Reid
06-08-2023, 09:33 PM
A big no to Lennon for me. Inherited a fantastic squad and dismantled it, leaving Heckingbottom an unbalanced mess that we’ve still not fully recovered from IMO.

Struggling to make sense of this comment. In what way did he dismantle that squad? The most significant outs were McGeouch, who was out of contract and didn’t want to stay, McGinn, who we needed to sell as he wasn’t going to sign a new contract, and Allan, who wasn’t our player, and Celtic wouldn’t sell to us.

The only good spell that Heckingbottom had as manager was immediately after he came in and worked with Lennon’s squad. We finished 5th that season, and 3rd the season after the next one - so how have we not fully recovered from it?

The most damaging transfer periods of recent years were the two windows in the 2021-22 season, and the summer window last year. We’re still paying the price for those.

Brightside
06-08-2023, 09:42 PM
Lennon is a drunk. No way should he be considered. Source. Anyone who met him today.

hibee-boys
06-08-2023, 09:58 PM
Lennon is a drunk. No way should he be considered. Source. Anyone who met him today.

I’d better hand my notice in at work tomorrow, I’ve been ‘drunk’ on days off at football matches……clearly unemployable🙄

Libby Hibby
06-08-2023, 10:01 PM
Neil Lennon

darwenhibby
06-08-2023, 10:03 PM
Swallow our pride
Bring back Alex Miller

cocteautwin
06-08-2023, 10:10 PM
Mcinnes

shetlandhibee
06-08-2023, 10:17 PM
Mcinnes
said it from begining :top marks

The Modfather
06-08-2023, 10:33 PM
John Collins. Probably 10 years too late now to bring him back. However with his standards, views on how football should be played, emphasis on youth, and with someone like McDermot to turn his footballing principles into signings…

More realistically, I’d essentially make the job interview all about how they could actually fix the midfield. If they mention any of Newell, JDH, Campbell and stats and it’s onto the next candidate.

LaMotta
06-08-2023, 10:34 PM
Mcinnes


said it from begining :top marks


The time to get McInnes was last year. The ship has sailed on that one.

Keepthefaith
06-08-2023, 10:41 PM
ACH you're all a shower of *****s lol. No-one wanted McInnes last year when Killie looked like they might go down!

We shouldn't sacrifice the desire to have an attacking team...I was brought up watching Newcastle and the Keegan years were some of my most enjoyable times watching football. He didn't win anything but it was fun trying!!

BobMilne
06-08-2023, 10:45 PM
Lennon was at the game today. Would probably take him over LJ.

A very sarcastic probably.

ehf
06-08-2023, 10:47 PM
ACH you're all a shower of *****s lol. No-one wanted McInnes last year when Killie looked like they might go down!

We shouldn't sacrifice the desire to have an attacking team...I was brought up watching Newcastle and the Keegan years were some of my most enjoyable times watching football. He didn't win anything but it was fun trying!!

To play attacking football you need a creative, dynamic, slick-passing midfield - Johnson’s is light years away from that

BobMilne
06-08-2023, 10:48 PM
👍
Double 👍🏻

badabing67
06-08-2023, 10:59 PM
The time to get McInnes was last year. The ship has sailed on that one.


Good the sheep wanted rid for a reason

Brightside
07-08-2023, 07:32 AM
I’d better hand my notice in at work tomorrow, I’ve been ‘drunk’ on days off at football matches……clearly unemployable🙄

You ever been pished in your potential work place 😂

6-2MAGIC
07-08-2023, 08:06 AM
Neil Lennon.

Standards and no nonsense at Hibs when he was here overall was delightful. At least he’s barking instructions and kicking every ball on the touch line. Hibs need that

JamesHFC
07-08-2023, 08:09 AM
Johnson isn't going anywhere anytime soon but when he does, Scott Brown will be a leading contender.

Since452
07-08-2023, 08:10 AM
Jack Ross. Should never have been sacked in the first place.

bingo70
07-08-2023, 08:12 AM
Jack Ross. Should never have been sacked in the first place.

I’ll resist the temptation to get another Jack Ross debate going however I will point out he’s just taken a new job at Newcastle (think it’s the one he was doing on a short term basis that’s been made permanent) so he can be ruled out.

Thankfully.

Not In The Know
07-08-2023, 08:14 AM
Mcinnes


It has to be

Heisenberg
07-08-2023, 08:16 AM
Sure McInnes had no interest in coming here when his name was linked before Johnson arrived? That’s my recollection anyway.

JimBHibees
07-08-2023, 08:17 AM
Lennon is a drunk. No way should he be considered. Source. Anyone who met him today.

Harsh

Greenworld
07-08-2023, 08:20 AM
Brian Mcdermott

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Blaster
07-08-2023, 08:22 AM
Sure McInnes had no interest in coming here when his name was linked before Johnson arrived? That’s my recollection anyway.

Possibly but was interviewed when Maloney got the job

WeeRussell
07-08-2023, 08:23 AM
You ever been pished in your potential work place 😂

Yes.

Was he there to be interviewed or express an interest in a job?

I absolutely do not want Lennon back in charge, for the record.

bingo70
07-08-2023, 08:28 AM
Lennon is a drunk. No way should he be considered. Source. Anyone who met him today.

Finally, a manager I can relate to.

The last 3 managers we have had have been like robots built from a textbook created in some managerial training factory.

Not necessarily Lennon but some pished, chain smoking South American who talks football like you would with your mates at the pub is what I’m after.

GreenGray
07-08-2023, 08:28 AM
I want Johnson gone but those suggesting Lennon can’t be feeling right. He’s not exactly the man to steady a inconsistent sinking ship.


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bingo70
07-08-2023, 08:37 AM
I want Johnson gone but those suggesting Lennon can’t be feeling right. He’s not exactly the man to steady a inconsistent sinking ship.


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I don’t want Lennon but I don’t think what you’ve said is fair.

IMO different managers are suited to different changing rooms at different times. I think LJ is overly analytical and it’s clear the players aren’t responding to that. In the short term I think the players would get a better response from a more human, even emotional and passionate manager. Players have said when Lennon is at it he makes them feel 10 feet tall and can beat anyone. There comes a point when that doesn’t work however in the short term a manager like that I personally think the squad would respond to as he’s relatable.

I wouldn’t want Lennon back but someone of that mould please.

GreenGray
07-08-2023, 08:40 AM
I don’t want Lennon but I don’t think what you’ve said is fair.

IMO different managers are suited to different changing rooms at different times. I think LJ is overly analytical and it’s clear the players aren’t responding to that. In the short term I think the players would get a better response from a more human, even emotional and passionate manager. Players have said when Lennon is at it he makes them feel 10 feet tall and can beat anyone. There comes a point when that doesn’t work however in the short term a manager like that I personally think the squad would respond to as he’s relatable.

I wouldn’t want Lennon back but someone of that mould please.

Lennon has rarely went into a poor team and made them better. Good manager to have when things are going right but the wheels come off fairly quickly.

Enjoyed our time with Lennon but not the man we need right now imo.


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SHODAN
07-08-2023, 08:40 AM
Lennon comes in: Yous are all ****ing *****

Players: Ok

Relegated

Heisenberg
07-08-2023, 08:40 AM
Lennon has rarely went into a poor team and made them better. Good manager to have when things are going right but the wheels come off fairly quickly.

Enjoyed our time with Lennon but not the man we need right now imo.


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Sums up my thoughts on him too. Giving him this squad would be a disaster.

JamesHFC
07-08-2023, 08:43 AM
I wonder if the next manager will continue with David Gray. Could possibly be the 4th manager he's coached under to be sacked within 2 years.

I'm Spartacus
07-08-2023, 08:51 AM
I wonder if the next manager will continue with David Gray. Could possibly be the 4th manager he's coached under to be sacked within 2 years.

"Hi David, can you take the team while we overlook you and sort out yet another mess we have got ourselves in to? Sorry, you won't be given any additional money for doing the Head Coach/Managers role, we need that to pay the other donkeys off".

SDG has never been paid any thing additional for any of his caretaker roles, this is a FACT.

Lago
07-08-2023, 08:51 AM
Let's get Roy Keane trending again 😂

HarpOnHibee
07-08-2023, 09:17 AM
Lennon comes in: Yous are all ****ing *****

Players: Ok

Relegated

Lennon comes in: You're all wonderful talented players

Players: Ok

Still relegated

Not In The Know
07-08-2023, 10:28 AM
Great logic that.

Take the best player out of any team in the world and they'd be worse off.

Thanks. So logic would imply Lennon wouldn't do any better than LJ without SJM...

JohnM1875
07-08-2023, 11:26 AM
Thanks. So logic would imply Lennon wouldn't do any better than LJ without SJM...

Think he would cause he's a better manager than LJ is.

Not that it matters really. Don't think LJ is going any time soon and can't see Lennon ever getting the Hibs job again.

Unseen work
07-08-2023, 11:30 AM
Does no one remember Lennons time with us in the premiership?

He had a brilliant 4 months from January to the end of the season after signing Allan, Kamberi, mclaren. Probably my favourite time of late as I thought we’d beat everyone.

But either side of that was poor to say the least, slow possession football and loads of moans from the stands.

That’s without mention the weekly Neil Lennon show he wanted to put on

bingo70
07-08-2023, 11:32 AM
Does no one remember Lennons time with us in the premiership?

He had a brilliant 4 months from January to the end of the season after signing Allan, Kamberi, mclaren. Probably my favourite time of late as I thought we’d beat everyone.

But either side of that was poor to say the least, slow possession football and loads of moans from the stands.

That’s without mention the weekly Neil Lennon show he wanted to put on

I agree and I wouldn’t want him back. I just think people crave his personality, or a manager who has a personality people can relate to.

Since452
07-08-2023, 11:32 AM
Does no one remember Lennons time with us in the premiership?

He had a brilliant 4 months from January to the end of the season after signing Allan, Kamberi, mclaren. Probably my favourite time of late as I thought we’d beat everyone.

But either side of that was poor to say the least, slow possession football and loads of moans from the stands.

That’s without mention the weekly Neil Lennon show he wanted to put on

"Neil, big game coming up for Hibs at the weekend but first, what are you thoughts on Celtic" No thanks.

Lennon doesn't have the best midfield in Scotland to inherit this time either. Would be a complete disaster.

Since452
07-08-2023, 11:34 AM
Let's get Roy Keane trending again 😂

In. Just do your jobs!

Unseen work
07-08-2023, 11:43 AM
On mcinnes, I actually think he gets a rough ride of it for the football he plays.

Just because they are well organised and defend well, doesn’t mean they play bad football.

His midfield at times for Aberdeen consisted of Ryan Jack, Shinnie, Ryan Christie, James Maddison, Kenny McLean and has a front 3 of McGinn, Hayes, Rooney etc.

For killie on Saturday he has a solid back 3 and then guys like Magennis, Lyon, Kennedy, Armstrong and the young lad who’s name escapes me all in the midfield.

He wants his teams to go back to front fast and with intensity, but he signs players good on the ball and always seems to get who he wants.

He’d do well with us, I’ve no doubt. Unfortunately when managers do well for us we then get Carried away and start moaning we don’t play attractive enough football.

I'm Spartacus
07-08-2023, 11:46 AM
I do think we are crying out for McInnes, my earlier shout of Scott Brown was me craving a Hibs connection as opposed to us going for an ex-yambo.

blackpoolhibs
07-08-2023, 12:09 PM
Was golfing this morning, and while we were waiting for the draw, my mate Roy approached me.

He works at Fleetwood town as a life coach, and the talk around the place for the last week has been all about Brown and Whittaker to Hibs.

Just thought i'd share this, to be fair i'd take chubby brown over this clown.

GreenGray
07-08-2023, 12:10 PM
On mcinnes, I actually think he gets a rough ride of it for the football he plays.

Just because they are well organised and defend well, doesn’t mean they play bad football.

His midfield at times for Aberdeen consisted of Ryan Jack, Shinnie, Ryan Christie, James Maddison, Kenny McLean and has a front 3 of McGinn, Hayes, Rooney etc.

For killie on Saturday he has a solid back 3 and then guys like Magennis, Lyon, Kennedy, Armstrong and the young lad who’s name escapes me all in the midfield.

He wants his teams to go back to front fast and with intensity, but he signs players good on the ball and always seems to get who he wants.

He’d do well with us, I’ve no doubt. Unfortunately when managers do well for us we then get Carried away and start moaning we don’t play attractive enough football.

Also, it’s not like Johnson plays attractive football, we are very direct under him. Difference is we don’t win as much.


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Heisenberg
07-08-2023, 12:13 PM
Was golfing this morning, and while we were waiting for the draw, my mate Roy approached me.

He works at Fleetwood town as a life coach, and the talk around the place for the last week has been all about Brown and Whittaker to Hibs.

Just thought i'd share this, to be fair i'd take chubby brown over this clown.

I’m sure Alan Nixon (doesn’t have the best rep as a reliable journalist tbf) had said last season that Brown was on our “watch list” for next manager. This was when Johnson was going through a half decent spell too I’m sure.

Stuart93
07-08-2023, 12:16 PM
Was golfing this morning, and while we were waiting for the draw, my mate Roy approached me.

He works at Fleetwood town as a life coach, and the talk around the place for the last week has been all about Brown and Whittaker to Hibs.

Just thought i'd share this, to be fair i'd take chubby brown over this clown.

Not that he’s set the heather alight at fleetwood but I’d be up for trying anything as opposed to LJ

However not sure another inexperienced manager is what we need just now.

bingo70
07-08-2023, 12:17 PM
Was golfing this morning, and while we were waiting for the draw, my mate Roy approached me.

He works at Fleetwood town as a life coach, and the talk around the place for the last week has been all about Brown and Whittaker to Hibs.

Just thought i'd share this, to be fair i'd take chubby brown over this clown.

Alan Nixon reported that last season. At the time I dismissed it as nonsense but do wonder if enquiries are being made in the background just in case.

GreenGray
07-08-2023, 12:19 PM
Was golfing this morning, and while we were waiting for the draw, my mate Roy approached me.

He works at Fleetwood town as a life coach, and the talk around the place for the last week has been all about Brown and Whittaker to Hibs.

Just thought i'd share this, to be fair i'd take chubby brown over this clown.

I’d be more than happy with this. Fleetwood fans love him.


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WhileTheChief..
07-08-2023, 12:31 PM
Does no one remember Lennons time with us in the premiership?

He had a brilliant 4 months from January to the end of the season after signing Allan, Kamberi, mclaren. Probably my favourite time of late as I thought we’d beat everyone.

But either side of that was poor to say the least, slow possession football and loads of moans from the stands.

That’s without mention the weekly Neil Lennon show he wanted to put on

I remember getting a record points tally for us.

With the backing LJ has had, Lennon would have us flying.

Northernhibee
07-08-2023, 12:40 PM
Does no one remember Lennons time with us in the premiership?

He had a brilliant 4 months from January to the end of the season after signing Allan, Kamberi, mclaren. Probably my favourite time of late as I thought we’d beat everyone.

But either side of that was poor to say the least, slow possession football and loads of moans from the stands.

That’s without mention the weekly Neil Lennon show he wanted to put on

Completely accurate, and I never liked the situations he got himself into.

Giving it large to Hearts fans because what looked like a winning goal was chalked off at Tynecastle was an embarrassment. A "born winner" acting like a child because a disallowed goal meant we'd avoided defeat.

Just as bad as LJ for blaming others when we lost too, if not worse IMO.

Nicho87
07-08-2023, 01:01 PM
I love seeing a manager with a bit character

If Neil Lennon is interested we should be offering a good contract

Unseen work
07-08-2023, 01:18 PM
I remember getting a record points tally for us.

With the backing LJ has had, Lennon would have us flying.

Lennon had just as many poor signings and that’s when our recruitment was “good”

WhileTheChief..
07-08-2023, 01:30 PM
We’re 5 years on from that.

He’s more experienced now and we,re backing our manager more than when he was here.

For all his faults, he would be infinitely better than LJ.

ER would be bouncing on his debut and you’d have the stadium singing his name. That would give everyone a lift befor a ball is kicked.

It’s obvious the players haven’t a clue what LJ wants. We can barely understand him so what chance do they have. Get rid now.

If not Lennon, then I would literally take any other manager in Scotland in LJs place right now. Nobody could do a worse job.

Since452
07-08-2023, 01:34 PM
Wouldn't want Brown. Would just constantly be linked/asked about Celtic. Lennon MK2 without the experience. I wanted McInnes when the job came up the last time. He's clearly a good manager. Wouldn't please the football purists in our support though. FWIW i don't think LJ will be away any time soon. Ron was trigger happy but he's no longer around obviously.

bingo70
07-08-2023, 01:39 PM
We’re 5 years on from that.

He’s more experienced now and we,re backing our manager more than when he was here.

For all his faults, he would be infinitely better than LJ.

ER would be bouncing on his debut and you’d have the stadium singing his name. That would give everyone a lift befor a ball is kicked.

It’s obvious the players haven’t a clue what LJ wants. We can barely understand him so what chance do they have. Get rid now.

If not Lennon, then I would literally take any other manager in Scotland in LJs place right now. Nobody could do a worse job.

Looks to me like the players know what he wants, it’s just *****.

Punt it to the corner and hope Youann or Boyle can do something or punt it to Doidge and hope that he can do something.

JimBHibees
07-08-2023, 02:04 PM
Was golfing this morning, and while we were waiting for the draw, my mate Roy approached me.

He works at Fleetwood town as a life coach, and the talk around the place for the last week has been all about Brown and Whittaker to Hibs.

Just thought i'd share this, to be fair i'd take chubby brown over this clown.

Interesting thanks for sharing. Not sure about Chubby Brown. :greengrin

The Modfather
07-08-2023, 02:09 PM
Was golfing this morning, and while we were waiting for the draw, my mate Roy approached me.

He works at Fleetwood town as a life coach, and the talk around the place for the last week has been all about Brown and Whittaker to Hibs.

Just thought i'd share this, to be fair i'd take chubby brown over this clown.

Get them to bring their boots with them and they go into the midfield and RB positions whole they are at it.

Since452
07-08-2023, 02:12 PM
We’re 5 years on from that.

He’s more experienced now and we,re backing our manager more than when he was here.

For all his faults, he would be infinitely better than LJ.

ER would be bouncing on his debut and you’d have the stadium singing his name. That would give everyone a lift befor a ball is kicked.

It’s obvious the players haven’t a clue what LJ wants. We can barely understand him so what chance do they have. Get rid now.

If not Lennon, then I would literally take any other manager in Scotland in LJs place right now. Nobody could do a worse job.

Neil Lennon could :greengrin

cabbageandribs1875
07-08-2023, 03:15 PM
well done Jack Ross :agree: Former Hibs manager lands permanent job with English Premier League side (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/football/former-hibs-manager-lands-permanent-job-with-english-premier-league-side/ar-AA1eUuBo?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=271c9d87d9b74d5790e896a82bed726d&ei=31)

JamesHFC
07-08-2023, 03:25 PM
well done Jack Ross :agree: Former Hibs manager lands permanent job with English Premier League side (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/football/former-hibs-manager-lands-permanent-job-with-english-premier-league-side/ar-AA1eUuBo?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=271c9d87d9b74d5790e896a82bed726d&ei=31)

Many thanks for playing your part in getting Dundee Utd relegated 🤝

K-Zazu
07-08-2023, 03:33 PM
well done Jack Ross :agree: Former Hibs manager lands permanent job with English Premier League side (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/football/former-hibs-manager-lands-permanent-job-with-english-premier-league-side/ar-AA1eUuBo?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=271c9d87d9b74d5790e896a82bed726d&ei=31)

Doubt he would land a gig at any club as head coach anyway after the Dundee United embarrassment

Chorley Hibee
07-08-2023, 03:41 PM
Completely accurate, and I never liked the situations he got himself into.

Giving it large to Hearts fans because what looked like a winning goal was chalked off at Tynecastle was an embarrassment. A "born winner" acting like a child because a disallowed goal meant we'd avoided defeat.

Just as bad as LJ for blaming others when we lost too, if not worse IMO.

It isn't accurate, it's revisionism again.

This lie that we were ***** prior to Christmas/January that season is nonsense.

At New Year, we were sat 4th, only a few points off second, with a record of W9 D8 L5.

In that time we'd beaten Hearts, Rangers and drawn with Celtic home and away.

I can guarantee you that we'll not be sat with that record this New Year with Lee Johnson in charge.

Hibernian Verse
07-08-2023, 03:42 PM
It isn't accurate, it's revisionism again.

This lie that we were ***** prior to Christmas/January that season is nonsense.

At New Year, we were sat 4th, only a few points off second, with a record of W9 D8 L5.

In that time we'd beaten Hearts, Rangers and drawn with Celtic home and away.

I can guarantee you that we'll not be sat with that record this New Year with Lee Johnson in charge.

With respect, no you can't.

Centre Hawf
07-08-2023, 03:45 PM
Wouldn't want Brown. Would just constantly be linked/asked about Celtic. Lennon MK2 without the experience. I wanted McInnes when the job came up the last time. He's clearly a good manager. Wouldn't please the football purists in our support though. FWIW i don't think LJ will be away any time soon. Ron was trigger happy but he's no longer around obviously.

If he's linked with Celtic it means he's doing something right. A small price to pay.

WhileTheChief..
07-08-2023, 03:47 PM
It isn't accurate, it's revisionism again.

This lie that we were ***** prior to Christmas/January that season is nonsense.

At New Year, we were sat 4th, only a few points off second, with a record of W9 D8 L5.

In that time we'd beaten Hearts, Rangers and drawn with Celtic home and away.

I can guarantee you that we'll not be sat with that record this New Year with Lee Johnson in charge.

:top marks

When it so easy to look this up, you gotta wonder why folk make up such nonsense!

ER was a fun place to be when Lennon was in charge.

Think of the atmosphere at the Natural Order game following the build up during the week. There’s been nothing close to that since he left.

EVENTUALLY
07-08-2023, 04:03 PM
Was golfing this morning, and while we were waiting for the draw, my mate Roy approached me.

He works at Fleetwood town as a life coach, and the talk around the place for the last week has been all about Brown and Whittaker to Hibs.

Just thought i'd share this, to be fair i'd take chubby brown over this clown.

Classic. Be a right laugh as well.

Unseen work
07-08-2023, 04:19 PM
It isn't accurate, it's revisionism again.

This lie that we were ***** prior to Christmas/January that season is nonsense.

At New Year, we were sat 4th, only a few points off second, with a record of W9 D8 L5.

In that time we'd beaten Hearts, Rangers and drawn with Celtic home and away.

I can guarantee you that we'll not be sat with that record this New Year with Lee Johnson in charge.

All very selective. Johnson also beat Celtic and hearts last season whilst drawing with rangers, he also sat 4th at one stage and beat Aberdeen 6-0.

Under Lennon From November - January we also lost at home to St Johnstone, drew at Hamilton, lost to rangers, lost 4-1 to Aberdeen, drew and lost to hearts, drew with Killie at home.

You can select things how you want to make someone look better/worse

We can look back now and say prior to new year we were 4th so must have been good but that wasn’t the overall feeling, same as last year with Johnson when we were doing well. But once he got one of the best midfields in Scotland and a good strike force we completely changed.

But one of the main reasons Lennon left wasn’t to do with his form and more how the players felt about him and the issues he caused. They would pop up again .

I also think the squad Lennon inherited compared to Johnson needs to be considered aswell as the overall feel around the place. This isn’t me saying Johnson is the best manager etc, but there’s more to it.

Since452
07-08-2023, 04:23 PM
Soon as Lennon hits bad form he doesn't know how to fix it and hides behind his assistant. Would be an utter car crash and wouldn't welcome him back at all. Selection roulette.

eastmainsmsh
07-08-2023, 04:43 PM
Nigel clough knows how to beat hearts

Chorley Hibee
07-08-2023, 04:47 PM
All very selective. Johnson also beat Celtic and hearts last season whilst drawing with rangers, he also sat 4th at one stage and beat Aberdeen 6-0.

Under Lennon From November - January we also lost at home to St Johnstone, drew at Hamilton, lost to rangers, lost 4-1 to Aberdeen, drew and lost to hearts, drew with Killie at home.

You can select things how you want to make someone look better/worse

We can look back now and say prior to new year we were 4th so must have been good but that wasn’t the overall feeling, same as last year with Johnson when we were doing well. But once he got one of the best midfields in Scotland and a good strike force we completely changed.

But one of the main reasons Lennon left wasn’t to do with his form and more how the players felt about him and the issues he caused. They would pop up again .

I also think the squad Lennon inherited compared to Johnson needs to be considered aswell as the overall feel around the place. This isn’t me saying Johnson is the best manager etc, but there’s more to it.

With respect, I'd say that your statistics are a lot more selective than mine.

I stated our entire win, draw and loss record, and where we were in the league at the time. It was as full and concise a picture as you're likely to get.

Was there a few bad results in amongst that, of course there was, and I agree he inherited a stronger squad too, but the idea Johnson and this lot are capable of a record like that in the league before this New Year is fantasy.

Johnson has lost more games than he's won as Hibs manager.

His overall record is W18 D8 L20.

Sorry, but losing 20 games out of 46 is a shocking record, especially given the standard of much of the opposition we face.

We are going nowhere under his management.

ScottB
07-08-2023, 05:40 PM
Lennon fast becoming the new iteration of the demand to bring Riordan or Griffiths back…

BT58
07-08-2023, 06:25 PM
Scott Brown. With us putting in a hefty clause in if Cellic come calling
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Lago
07-08-2023, 06:35 PM
well done Jack Ross :agree: Former Hibs manager lands permanent job with English Premier League side (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/football/former-hibs-manager-lands-permanent-job-with-english-premier-league-side/ar-AA1eUuBo?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=271c9d87d9b74d5790e896a82bed726d&ei=31)
Yes good move for him & I think the position he has is ideal.

bordergreen
07-08-2023, 07:09 PM
Lennon fast becoming the new iteration of the demand to bring Riordan or Griffiths back…

No thank you to the Neil Lennon show 2. Thought he was bigger than Hibs. Do people not remember the refusing to come out for interviews etc. Bizarre team selections to prove a point. No thanks, move on. Please, please, please Hibs? Just get rid of that imposter Johnson.

Iain Gordon, I hope you have been reading people’s feelings about the clown we have as a manager. A very large proportion of the support don’t like him, think he is clueless and want him gone.

IberianHibernian
07-08-2023, 07:36 PM
In some ways scraping into the top 6 and then top 5 and Europe ( with Maloney , despite even worse injury record and losing Boyle we were very unlucky not to make top 6 and were close to making cup final ) has not helped as it probably meant we decided to continue with LJ for another year or at least till traditional Hibs November manager change date . I`ve always said it`s best to change manager in summer and in general our most successful managers have had advantage of close season etc .
Next manager ? I suppose McDermott will have a few possible candidates in mind ( maybe including himself if interested ) so we wouldn`t be limited to few names mentioned here . It`s frustrating seeing our team outplayed in games like Sunday`s so I suppose we`re looking for an experienced manager . In Scotland , ironically , Aberdeen and Hearts , our 2 biggest rivals for European places according to many , are probably 2 of the few teams in our league who don`t have managers we`d expect ( yet ) to get the better of LJ ( if they beat us it`s more down to more expensive signings ) . If Dunfermline do well this season , maybe McPake would be one to consider for the future .
Players ? We seem to have a lot of players who are already past their best and a few promising youngsters but not many quality players in their mid 20s . Reality is we can`t afford to sign high quality players of that age which makes it even more important to have a management team which gets the best out of what we have .

Greenwich_Hibby
07-08-2023, 07:47 PM
We are a bit of a graveyard for managers unfortunately. Both Ross and Heckinbottom, both now with Premiership clubs. We shouldn't just retain a manager because of previous high turnover of managers - looking at it rationally, LJ has delivered nothing in his time here to suggest he knows how to structure the playing side of a club, or put a team on the park to beat the opposition in hand- too much science, analytics and no pragmatism or ability to motivate.

ErinGoBraghHFC
07-08-2023, 07:50 PM
Please, please, please Hibs?

I thought The Smiths puns had finished tbh


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He's here!
07-08-2023, 07:52 PM
With respect, no you can't.

You'd be pretty confident putting a bet on it tho.

He's here!
07-08-2023, 07:55 PM
We are a bit of a graveyard for managers unfortunately. Both Ross and Heckinbottom, both now with Premiership clubs. We shouldn't just retain a manager because of previous high turnover of managers - looking at it rationally, LJ has delivered nothing in his time here to suggest he knows how to structure the playing side of a club, or put a team on the park to beat the opposition in hand- too much science, analytics and no pragmatism or ability to motivate.

Ross's sacking in 2021 after taking us to third place and two cup finals that year looks ever more daft.

bordergreen
07-08-2023, 07:58 PM
I thought The Smiths puns had finished tbh


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No pun intended, but, I could do with a good laugh, after watching Hibs and yet another Lee Johnson post match “a big boy did it and ran away” interview…

Silky
07-08-2023, 08:07 PM
Ross's sacking in 2021 after taking us to third place and two cup finals that year looks ever more daft.

But, but, but, the football was boring, the fans weren't coming, wasn't "hibs style". WE were the ones chanting for him to go at matches. No point in blaming the club for it. A very loud majority wanted him gone and got their way. A bit like Brexit really, many didn't want it, but the will of others prevailed.

S4uzee
07-08-2023, 08:23 PM
Ross's sacking in 2021 after taking us to third place and two cup finals that year looks ever more daft.

No point getting to a cup final to perform like that. We blew a cup double that season

bingo70
07-08-2023, 08:24 PM
But, but, but, the football was boring, the fans weren't coming, wasn't "hibs style". WE were the ones chanting for him to go at matches. No point in blaming the club for it. A very loud majority wanted him gone and got their way. A bit like Brexit really, many didn't want it, but the will of others prevailed.

Why are you so dismissive of the first line?

Some of us want to enjoy watching Hibs. That isn’t just about the end result of each match.

Worth remembering the run of results that lead to fans wanting him sacked too.

He never got sacked when we were 3rd in the league, we were dreadful when he got sacked. Club was absolutely right to sack him, it’s just his replacements that we’ve got wrong.

WhileTheChief..
07-08-2023, 09:04 PM
But, but, but, the football was boring, the fans weren't coming, wasn't "hibs style". WE were the ones chanting for him to go at matches. No point in blaming the club for it. A very loud majority wanted him gone and got their way. A bit like Brexit really, many didn't want it, but the will of others prevailed.

A small band of fans at the Livvi game wanted Ross sacked. There was never a majority of Hibs fans calling for his head.

RG is 100% responsible for Ross’s sacking and he admitted himself he got that one wrong.

In comparison to LJ, Ross was popular!

Northernhibee
07-08-2023, 09:12 PM
A small band of fans at the Livvi game wanted Ross sacked. There was never a majority of Hibs fans calling for his head.

RG is 100% responsible for Ross’s sacking and he admitted himself he got that one wrong.

In comparison to LJ, Ross was popular!

Jack Ross was a decent man. Could admit when he got it wrong, managed people well, took responsibility.

Not In The Know
07-08-2023, 09:14 PM
On mcinnes, I actually think he gets a rough ride of it for the football he plays.

Just because they are well organised and defend well, doesn’t mean they play bad football.

His midfield at times for Aberdeen consisted of Ryan Jack, Shinnie, Ryan Christie, James Maddison, Kenny McLean and has a front 3 of McGinn, Hayes, Rooney etc.

For killie on Saturday he has a solid back 3 and then guys like Magennis, Lyon, Kennedy, Armstrong and the young lad who’s name escapes me all in the midfield.

He wants his teams to go back to front fast and with intensity, but he signs players good on the ball and always seems to get who he wants.

He’d do well with us, I’ve no doubt. Unfortunately when managers do well for us we then get Carried away and start moaning we don’t play attractive enough football.


It a no brainier to go for him. If we don’t he’ll end up over the road at Christmas

Smartie
07-08-2023, 09:16 PM
A small band of fans at the Livvi game wanted Ross sacked. There was never a majority of Hibs fans calling for his head.

RG is 100% responsible for Ross’s sacking and he admitted himself he got that one wrong.

In comparison to LJ, Ross was popular!

I didn't realise it at the time but I was a bit bored under Ross and I'm not bored under Johnson.

'Hibs on a good day" under Johnson is better than "Hibs on a good day" under Ross where there was a bit more getting a goal then defending the lead.

I'm not one to blame managers though and I have quite a lot of patience with them. I also think you've got various windows throughout the season when a manager can / should be sacked. We got it wrong with Ross (who should have been given the cup final at least and probably the January window to see if he could recruit to sort our obvious issues) and I think it would be a mistake to punt Johnson now. The earliest we make that move is after a round of fixtures imo.

HoboHarry
07-08-2023, 09:25 PM
I didn't realise it at the time but I was a bit bored under Ross and I'm not bored under Johnson.

'Hibs on a good day" under Johnson is better than "Hibs on a good day" under Ross where there was a bit more getting a goal then defending the lead.

I'm not one to blame managers though and I have quite a lot of patience with them. I also think you've got various windows throughout the season when a manager can / should be sacked. We got it wrong with Ross (who should have been given the cup final at least and probably the January window to see if he could recruit to sort our obvious issues) and I think it would be a mistake to punt Johnson now. The earliest we make that move is after a round of fixtures imo.
:agree: Exactly right.

WhileTheChief..
07-08-2023, 09:28 PM
Yeah I get that. The football was all a bit meh under Ross.

My own view on that, is it was partly down to an empty ER. If we’d been at the games when pushing for 3rd it would probably have felt a lot better.

As it was, going on such a long winless streak, I can understand why the club decided to make the change. What I can’t understand is why they’ve stuck with LJ when his record seems to be worse.

We’ve had a handful of decent results with LJ, but I don’t think we’re any further forward than this time last year, or the day Ross was sacked.

I’m all for sticking with a manager and continuity, I just want to do so with a decent one.

greenpaper55
07-08-2023, 09:28 PM
Ross deserved the sack after that cup final alone, never seen a worse final and he never had a clue tactically to change things. He had another chance at United and we all know how that ended ? I doubt he will get a job in a top league again, his level is with the likes of Alloa.

Silky
07-08-2023, 09:29 PM
Why are you so dismissive of the first line?

Some of us want to enjoy watching Hibs. That isn’t just about the end result of each match.



Ahh, so Would it be different then if LJ's team was exciting ,entertaining and great on the eye but still getting the same results? That's how it reads and it doesn't make sense!

LaMotta
07-08-2023, 09:32 PM
Ross deserved the sack after that cup final alone, never seen a worse final and he never had a clue tactically to change things. He had another chance at United and we all know how that ended ? I doubt he will get a job in a top league again, his level is with the likes of Alloa.

Were you not alive in 2012?

LaMotta
07-08-2023, 09:35 PM
Yeah I get that. The football was all a bit meh under Ross.

My own view on that, is it was partly down to an empty ER. If we’d been at the games when pushing for 3rd it would probably have felt a lot better.

As it was, going on such a long winless streak, I can understand why the club decided to make the change. What I can’t understand is why they’ve stuck with LJ when his record seems to be worse.

We’ve had a handful of decent results with LJ, but I don’t think we’re any further forward than this time last year, or the day Ross was sacked.

I’m all for sticking with a manager and continuity, I just want to do so with a decent one.


Ross's sacking at that time didn't make sense for two reasons. 1) He had got us to a cup final (the 6th time he had got us to Hampden in a season and a half) and should have been given an extra few weeks to see that through. 2) There was not a coherent plan to replace him, we replaced him with an absolute rookie who was so far out his depth it was unbelievable.

Viva_Palmeiras
07-08-2023, 09:37 PM
McInnes for Hibs? Aside from a Jambo managerial reject, I’m trying to think of a candidate more up against it from the outset because of his style of play.

It’s almost like we’re supposed to ignore what happened at Aberdeen and how scunnered with him the support was because of his style of play. It’s like if you had a non-Jambo identikit manager sure to divide / be up against it with the support from the outset it would be him.

WhileTheChief..
07-08-2023, 09:38 PM
Ross's sacking at that time didn't make sense for two reasons. 1) He had got us to a cup final ( the 5th time he had got us to Hampden in a season and a half) and should have been given an extra few weeks to see that through. 2) There was not a coherent plan to replace him, we replaced him with an absolute rookie who was so far out his depth it was unbelievable.

Agreed.

I’d have kept Ross, and think it was a mistake to get rid of him, but I understand why RG did it.

I never wanted Maloney from the moment he was linked with us, it was never going to work. Same with LJ.

3rd time lucky……..

the_ginger_hibee
07-08-2023, 09:39 PM
JR deserved the sack and from what I remember that view was held by a lot of fans.

Where we failed is on his replacement. Someone like Maloney was the complete wrong call, an inexperienced novice with no charisma or presence. A McInnes or similar was what we needed, an experienced steady eddie to see us through and keep us out of harm while the changes were implemented in the football department and Ben was able to get fully into his role.

Hindsight has been kind to JR but if we'd got the appointment right, got McDermott in to work with that manager, nobody would be saying JR was sacked wrongly. The fact LJ seems to be not much better than Maloney only increases the rose tinted opinion around JR.

coco mc
07-08-2023, 09:40 PM
I didn't realise it at the time but I was a bit bored under Ross and I'm not bored under Johnson.

'Hibs on a good day" under Johnson is better than "Hibs on a good day" under Ross where there was a bit more getting a goal then defending the lead.

I'm not one to blame managers though and I have quite a lot of patience with them. I also think you've got various windows throughout the season when a manager can / should be sacked. We got it wrong with Ross (who should have been given the cup final at least and probably the January window to see if he could recruit to sort our obvious issues) and I think it would be a mistake to punt Johnson now. The earliest we make that move is after a round of fixtures imo.


This 100% for me .

blackpoolhibs
07-08-2023, 09:44 PM
No point getting to a cup final to perform like that. We blew a cup double that season

Not a worry we've had to endure since.


Why are you so dismissive of the first line?

Some of us want to enjoy watching Hibs. That isn’t just about the end result of each match.

Worth remembering the run of results that lead to fans wanting him sacked too.

He never got sacked when we were 3rd in the league, we were dreadful when he got sacked. Club was absolutely right to sack him, it’s just his replacements that we’ve got wrong.

I disagree, a manager who's given us as much success as he did should have been given much more time to address things, perhaps if the club had backed him like they have backed the managers since, we'd have built on the success of 3rd place and finals.

LaMotta
07-08-2023, 09:45 PM
McInnes for Hibs? Aside from a Jambo managerial reject, I’m trying to think of a candidate more up against it from the outset because of his style of play.

It’s almost like we’re supposed to ignore what happened at Aberdeen and how scunnered with him the support was because of his style of play. It’s like if you had a non-Jambo identikit manager sure to divide / be up against it with the support from the outset it would be him.


Bit of a myth that McInnes played boring football at Aberdeen - he had teams that scored 7 goals on two occasions in the league, and scored 5 and 6 a number of times. I think he had just been there too long, which is why they got bored.

LaMotta
07-08-2023, 09:52 PM
I disagree, a manager who's given us as much success as he did should have been given much more time to address things, perhaps if the club had backed him like they have backed the managers since, we'd have built on the success of 3rd place and finals.

:agree: Its fine lines between success and failure sometimes. If he could have just figured out how to beat St Johnstone that season he would have been one of the most successful Hibs managers of all time. If Nisbet had put his penalty v Hearts an inch lower then we also would have had a great chance to beat a poor Celtic side in the final earlier that season too. We sacked him at the first sign of a bad run, and forgot that he had us within touching distance of 4 cup wins. Of course he made mistakes, but he should have been given a chance to fix them IMO.

Since452
07-08-2023, 09:57 PM
:agree: Its fine lines between success and failure sometimes. If he could have just figured out how to beat St Johnstone that season he would have been one of the most successful Hibs managers of all time. If Nisbet had put his penalty v Hearts an inch lower then we also would have had a great chance to beat a poor Celtic side in the final earlier that season too. We sacked him at the first sign of a bad run, and forgot that he had us within touching distance of 4 cup wins. Of course he made mistakes, but he should have been given a chance to fix them IMO.

Add 3rd place in for the first time in 15 years and he did an astonishing job as Hibs manager. Like you say, extremely close to being one of the greats.

LaMotta
07-08-2023, 10:03 PM
Add 3rd place in for the first time in 15 years and he did an astonishing job as Hibs manager. Like you say, extremely close to being one of the greats.

:agree:

I get why some people maybe didn't like him. I struggle to forgive him for doing the same thing again in that final v St Johnstone after failing to beat them in the previous 4 games. But he surely deserved more time, and Rod eventually figured that out I think.

GreenGray
07-08-2023, 10:05 PM
McInnes for Hibs? Aside from a Jambo managerial reject, I’m trying to think of a candidate more up against it from the outset because of his style of play.

It’s almost like we’re supposed to ignore what happened at Aberdeen and how scunnered with him the support was because of his style of play. It’s like if you had a non-Jambo identikit manager sure to divide / be up against it with the support from the outset it would be him.

If you ignore what he did at Aberdeen you’d be ignoring him splitting the old firm and winning a cup.

Mind that Lennon team everyone loved? Aberdeen finished second that year.


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Since452
08-08-2023, 06:12 AM
:agree:

I get why some people maybe didn't like him. I struggle to forgive him for doing the same thing again in that final v St Johnstone after failing to beat them in the previous 4 games. But he surely deserved more time, and Rod eventually figured that out I think.

We'll never know but I'd love to see where we'd be if we'd stuck by Jack. Or at least given him the backing that the current manager is getting.

Alfred E Newman
08-08-2023, 06:25 AM
We'll never know but I'd love to see where we'd be if we'd stuck by Jack. Or at least given him the backing that the current manager is getting.

As someone pointed out, after spending several 100k the spine of Sundays team was the same as Jack Ross side.

Not In The Know
08-08-2023, 06:51 AM
But, but, but, the football was boring, the fans weren't coming, wasn't "hibs style". WE were the ones chanting for him to go at matches. No point in blaming the club for it. A very loud majority wanted him gone and got their way. A bit like Brexit really, many didn't want it, but the will of others prevailed.

it wasn’t just boring we hadn’t won in 11 and that performance at Livi was too much.

jacomo
08-08-2023, 07:24 AM
Not a worry we've had to endure since.



I disagree, a manager who's given us as much success as he did should have been given much more time to address things, perhaps if the club had backed him like they have backed the managers since, we'd have built on the success of 3rd place and finals.


:agree:

Ron came round to realising that sacking JR when he did was a mistake.

Yes the football was boring. If results didn’t improve then JR would have gone. But sacking him the week before a cup final was absolutely ridiculous, giving in to a noisy minority of Hibs fans who got it wrong.

bingo70
08-08-2023, 07:37 AM
:agree:

Ron came round to realising that sacking JR when he did was a mistake.

Yes the football was boring. If results didn’t improve then JR would have gone. But sacking him the week before a cup final was absolutely ridiculous, giving in to a noisy minority of Hibs fans who got it wrong.

Just because Ron later thought he got it wrong, doesn’t mean he did.

Nobody knows if he got it right or wrong as nobody knows if he would have turned around the slump in form so it’s all just a matter of opinion, including Ron’s.

You’re stating your opinion as fact when it isn’t.

IMO Ross would have stopped the slide in form that we were on but we would have remained as dull and boring to watch as ever, attendances would have continued to fall and we would have had under 10,000 season ticket holders the following year. That’s the way the club was heading IMO. I think that’s as much the reason Ross was sacked as anything happening on the pitch.

Even when we were winning season ticket holders weren’t turning up, we certainly weren’t attracting many new people to come either.

Looking back at that season we finished 3rd, I don’t think there is one game I can remember that really sticks out as being a memorable match in my Hibs supporting life. We were just a bit less ***** than the other ***** teams that year IMO.

Last season it’s widely accepted we were pretty rotten for the most part and we’re fortunate to get Europe. If you were to ask my my favourite game at Easter Road though I could point to us beating Aberdeen 6-0, beating Hearts and pumping Celtic at the end of the season.

Even under Lennon when we finished 4th, that was a far more enjoyable and memorable season than finishing 3rd under Ross.

Finishing 3rd and losing at Hampden isn’t the be all and end all for me. I want to enjoy the experience along the way, that doesn’t mean playing like Brazil 70, or some mythical Hibs way, I just want to enjoy watching us, however that may be.

You, Blackpool Hibs and others think differently to me and that’s absolutely fine, we are all different but that doesn’t mean that my and others opinion for wanting Ross sacked was wrong, even if Ron Gordon did change his mind later.

Still pleased we sacked him and I’m even more pleased he’s got another job now so he’s unlikely to come back.

Paulie Walnuts
08-08-2023, 07:49 AM
Just because Ron later thought he got it wrong, doesn’t mean he did.

Nobody knows if he got it right or wrong as nobody knows if he would have turned around the slump in form so it’s all just a matter of opinion, including Ron’s.

You’re stating your opinion as fact when it isn’t.

IMO Ross would have stopped the slide in form that we were on but we would have remained as dull and boring to watch as ever, attendances would have continued to fall and we would have had under 10,000 season ticket holders the following year. That’s the way the club was heading IMO.

Even when we were winning season ticket holders weren’t turning up, we certainly weren’t attracting many new people to come either.

Looking back at that season we finished 3rd, I don’t think there is one game I can remember that really sticks out as being a memorable match in my Hibs supporting life. We were just a bit less ***** than the other ***** teams that year IMO.

Last season it’s widely accepted we were pretty rotten for the most part and we’re fortunate to get Europe. If you were to ask my my favourite game at Easter Road though I could point to us beating Aberdeen 6-0, beating Hearts and pumping Celtic at the end of the season.

Even under Lennon when we finished 4th, that was a far more enjoyable and memorable season than finishing 3rd under Ross.

Finishing 3rd and losing at Hampden isn’t the be all and end all for me. I want to enjoy the experience along the way, that doesn’t mean playing like Brazil 70, or some mythical Hibs way, I just want to enjoy watching us, however that may be.

You, Blackpool Hibs and others think differently to me and that’s absolutely fine, we are all different but that doesn’t mean that my and others opinion for wanting Ross sacked was wrong, even if Ron Gordon did change his mind later.

Still pleased we sacked him and I’m even more pleased he’s got another job now so he’s unlikely to come back.

:agree:

Ron Gordon was involved in appointing Maloney, involved in appointing Lee Johnson and involved in sacking a manager who’s now managing in the EPL, compare that to Jack Ross who got sacked by DU and is probably unemployable at our level now.

He was also involved in appointing his son as head of recruitment and neglecting to get a DOF in for years.

Just cause RG says he thinks he might have got this one specific thing wrong it doesn’t mean he’s right, much like you could argue he wasn’t right to appoint Maloney or LJ or sack Heckingbottom etc.

I’m also not sure why JR simply should have been given the cup final. That would have meant him getting 2 more league games to continue our horror run and given how bad we were under him I’d suggest we got closer to winning the cup under SDG, taking the lead in the second half, than we would have under JR. Of course we’ll never know that though.

He’d already had god knows how many disasters at Hampden. I’m not sure why we should have let him carry on racking up bad defeats in the league just to likely deliver another Hampden disasterclass.

Hiber-nation
08-08-2023, 07:55 AM
Just because Ron later thought he got it wrong, doesn’t mean he did.

Nobody knows if he got it right or wrong as nobody knows if he would have turned around the slump in form so it’s all just a matter of opinion, including Ron’s.

You’re stating your opinion as fact when it isn’t.

IMO Ross would have stopped the slide in form that we were on but we would have remained as dull and boring to watch as ever, attendances would have continued to fall and we would have had under 10,000 season ticket holders the following year. That’s the way the club was heading IMO.

Even when we were winning season ticket holders weren’t turning up, we certainly weren’t attracting many new people to come either.

Looking back at that season we finished 3rd, I don’t think there is one game I can remember that really sticks out as being a memorable match in my Hibs supporting life. We were just a bit less ***** than the other ***** teams that year IMO.

Last season it’s widely accepted we were pretty rotten for the most part and we’re fortunate to get Europe. If you were to ask my my favourite game at Easter Road though I could point to us beating Aberdeen 6-0, beating Hearts and pumping Celtic at the end of the season.

Even under Lennon when we finished 4th, that was a far more enjoyable and memorable season than finishing 3rd under Ross.

Finishing 3rd and losing at Hampden isn’t the be all and end all for me. I want to enjoy the experience along the way, that doesn’t mean playing like Brazil 70, or some mythical Hibs way, I just want to enjoy watching us, however that may be.

You, Blackpool Hibs and others think differently to me and that’s absolutely fine, we are all different but that doesn’t mean that my and others opinion for wanting Ross sacked was wrong, even if Ron Gordon did change his mind later.

Still pleased we sacked him and I’m even more pleased he’s got another job now so he’s unlikely to come back.

Agree with all of that Bingo. I'm no LJ fan but I much prefer the rollercoaster ride we're on just now to JR's reign.

jacomo
08-08-2023, 04:32 PM
Just because Ron later thought he got it wrong, doesn’t mean he did.

Nobody knows if he got it right or wrong as nobody knows if he would have turned around the slump in form so it’s all just a matter of opinion, including Ron’s.

You’re stating your opinion as fact when it isn’t.

IMO Ross would have stopped the slide in form that we were on but we would have remained as dull and boring to watch as ever, attendances would have continued to fall and we would have had under 10,000 season ticket holders the following year. That’s the way the club was heading IMO. I think that’s as much the reason Ross was sacked as anything happening on the pitch.

Even when we were winning season ticket holders weren’t turning up, we certainly weren’t attracting many new people to come either.

Looking back at that season we finished 3rd, I don’t think there is one game I can remember that really sticks out as being a memorable match in my Hibs supporting life. We were just a bit less ***** than the other ***** teams that year IMO.

Last season it’s widely accepted we were pretty rotten for the most part and we’re fortunate to get Europe. If you were to ask my my favourite game at Easter Road though I could point to us beating Aberdeen 6-0, beating Hearts and pumping Celtic at the end of the season.

Even under Lennon when we finished 4th, that was a far more enjoyable and memorable season than finishing 3rd under Ross.

Finishing 3rd and losing at Hampden isn’t the be all and end all for me. I want to enjoy the experience along the way, that doesn’t mean playing like Brazil 70, or some mythical Hibs way, I just want to enjoy watching us, however that may be.

You, Blackpool Hibs and others think differently to me and that’s absolutely fine, we are all different but that doesn’t mean that my and others opinion for wanting Ross sacked was wrong, even if Ron Gordon did change his mind later.

Still pleased we sacked him and I’m even more pleased he’s got another job now so he’s unlikely to come back.


Of course I’m stating my opinion. I know the difference between opinion and fact, thanks.

For any club to sack their manager a week before a major cup final is preposterous, perhaps justified only by gross misconduct (as happened with Latapy 20 years ago).

For Hibs to do this - when this is one of only two major trophies we can realistically aspire to - is even more ridiculous.

Continue telling me I’m wrong if you must, but I’m not.

Hibbyradge
08-08-2023, 04:52 PM
Ross deserved the sack after that cup final alone, never seen a worse final and he never had a clue tactically to change things. He had another chance at United and we all know how that ended ? I doubt he will get a job in a top league again, his level is with the likes of Alloa.

He's at Newcastle United now. I don't think there are many higher leagues.

Since452
08-08-2023, 05:04 PM
I think what happened at Hibs and United has probably scunnered Ross in terms of taking up another managers job. I think he'd easily get a lower half premiershp job if he wanted it. Looks like he's got a great gig in the North East near his family anyway.

Hibees1973
08-08-2023, 05:43 PM
McInnes 100% for me.

Firstly it would be a relief to listen to a Hibs manager who doesn't talk bull. I reckon he talks a lot of sense when I hear him and would be great to have at the helm

Johnson & Maloney have been a real couple of idiots whose interviews with the press have been a cringe.

McInnes would get us organised, disciplined and difficult to beat. These are the basics that Johnson doesn't seem able to achieve.

There is not any doubt McInnes would get more out of the current squad than Johnson.

thebausburst
08-08-2023, 06:58 PM
McInnes 100% for me.

Firstly it would be a relief to listen to a Hibs manager who doesn't talk bull. I reckon he talks a lot of sense when I hear him and would be great to have at the helm

Johnson & Maloney have been a real couple of idiots whose interviews with the press have been a cringe.

McInnes would get us organised, disciplined and difficult to beat. These are the basics that Johnson doesn't seem able to achieve.

There is not any doubt McInnes would get more out of the current squad than Johnson.

Agree 100%

bingo70
08-08-2023, 07:09 PM
Of course I’m stating my opinion. I know the difference between opinion and fact, thanks.

For any club to sack their manager a week before a major cup final is preposterous, perhaps justified only by gross misconduct (as happened with Latapy 20 years ago).

For Hibs to do this - when this is one of only two major trophies we can realistically aspire to - is even more ridiculous.

Continue telling me I’m wrong if you must, but I’m not.

Aye, your post just screams you know the difference between posting facts and your opinion.

I’m not saying you’re wrong, I’m saying in my opinion we were right to sack Jack Ross, there’s no factually correct answer to the question, just two opposing opinions.

Don’t think the aggressive/arrogant tone to your response was necessary if I’m being honest but there you go.

Anyway, he’s long gone now, thankfully imo, I’ll bow out of this Jack Ross debate now as it’s been done to death already.

S4uzee
08-08-2023, 07:12 PM
McInnes 100% for me.

Firstly it would be a relief to listen to a Hibs manager who doesn't talk bull. I reckon he talks a lot of sense when I hear him and would be great to have at the helm

Johnson & Maloney have been a real couple of idiots whose interviews with the press have been a cringe.

McInnes would get us organised, disciplined and difficult to beat. These are the basics that Johnson doesn't seem able to achieve.

There is not any doubt McInnes would get more out of the current squad than Johnson.

Absolutely. Should’ve been appointed before Maloney

Not In The Know
08-08-2023, 07:52 PM
Agree 100%


Agree & agree!

Lago
08-08-2023, 09:31 PM
McInnes 100% for me.

Firstly it would be a relief to listen to a Hibs manager who doesn't talk bull. I reckon he talks a lot of sense when I hear him and would be great to have at the helm

Johnson & Maloney have been a real couple of idiots whose interviews with the press have been a cringe.

McInnes would get us organised, disciplined and difficult to beat. These are the basics that Johnson doesn't seem able to achieve.

There is not any doubt McInnes would get more out of the current squad than Johnson.
You seem to assume he would come to ER not sure he would

Hibees1973
08-08-2023, 09:39 PM
You seem to assume he would come to ER not sure he would

I've not assumed anything.

I'm not sure he would come given we have overlooked him twice when appointing Maloney & Johnson.

What is clear is that it's going to be more difficult to get him now.

McInnes doesn't guarantee success but he surely had more qualifications than Johnson & Maloney to manage an SPFL side like Hibs.

JamesHFC
08-08-2023, 09:47 PM
I think it's clear from our last two appointments that the board buy into managers who talk about playing a certain philosophy/style of play.

HendoDelivered
08-08-2023, 09:55 PM
I think it's clear from our last two appointments that the board buy into managers who talk about playing a certain philosophy/style of play.

Our next appt will be more McDermott influenced/driven I think. I wouldn’t let BK or IG near this one.

Nicho87
08-08-2023, 09:59 PM
Wouldn’t have touched mcinnes before but would gladly have him now.

Knows and respects the league, knows what is required to come third in the league. Has a bit of a front as well and I think you need that on a manager, as in not shy to speak up when things either results or media going against him.

Him or Lennon and I’d be happy.

I think LJ is only a few defeats away from realising he is on a right shoogly peg.

Hibbyradge
08-08-2023, 11:16 PM
When does Steve Clarke's Scotland contract end.

Unseen work
09-08-2023, 06:26 AM
Stuart Lovell.

Don’t even know if he’s got his coaching badges but really like his analysis on Hibs TV 🤣

Hibees1973
09-08-2023, 01:12 PM
When does Steve Clarke's Scotland contract end.

When Pat Nevin recommended Clarke for the Hibs job a while ago Hibs reckoned he was not good enough so we appointed Calderwood. :rolleyes:

The lot we have running Hibs now probably think he is not good enough still, so happy to go with the likes of Maloney & Johnson.

CropleyWasGod
09-08-2023, 01:13 PM
When Pat Nevin recommended Clarke for the Hibs job a while ago Hibs reckoned he was not good enough so we appointed Calderwood. :rolleyes:

The lot we have running Hibs now probably think he is not good enough still, so happy to go with the likes of Maloney & Johnson.

Do you have a source for this?

Hibees1973
09-08-2023, 01:15 PM
Do you have a source for this?

Pat Nevin has been quoted loads of times that he approached Hibs and recommended Clarke.

If you google Pat Nevin Steve Clarke Hibs job you will see articles.

CropleyWasGod
09-08-2023, 01:15 PM
Pat Nevin has been quoted loads of times that he approached Hibs and recommended Clarke.

The bit in bold was what I was querying.

superfurryhibby
09-08-2023, 01:20 PM
The bit in bold was what I was querying.

I suspect not, it's just typical nonsense from a poster who loves being negative about Hibs.

Hibees1973
09-08-2023, 01:23 PM
The bit in bold was what I was querying.

I did put in the caveat of probably. Poetic licence that, apologies. If our current board chose Maloney & Johnson over McIness and just cannot see McIness has more qualifications than both of them to run a manage a club like Hibs in the SPFL.

To make a mistake in appointing Maloney then compounding it with a waffler like Johnson beggars belief.

JeMeSouviens
09-08-2023, 01:24 PM
I thought the story was supposed to be Hibs agreed a deal with Clarke but the staff he wanted were too expensive? Or something on those lines.

BoomtownHibees
09-08-2023, 01:29 PM
When Pat Nevin recommended Clarke for the Hibs job a while ago Hibs reckoned he was not good enough so we appointed Calderwood. :rolleyes:

The lot we have running Hibs now probably think he is not good enough still, so happy to go with the likes of Maloney & Johnson.

Not sure that’s right. I believe we offered him the job but when he found out the wage on offer was to cover him and his assistant he told us to ram it