Rangers Songs

[dastardly8]

**** should be banned from away grounds shocking sectarian singing

[Steven79]

**** should be banned from away grounds shocking sectarian singingNothing will be done as the clubs, Police and Scottish Parliament are all spineless.

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[McSwanky]

All so very predictable, and nothing will happen as usual. I don't know the songs they were singing but there was a definite 'fenian ********' in there

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[HIBERNIAN-0762]

What were they singing? I switched off long before the end

[SHODAN]

Approaching the point where I just won't attend matches v Rangers if our club don't do anything.

[Allant1981]

GSTK being sung as I was heading out, that and many many songs about catholics, strange bunch

[Since452]

Until we can fill the three home stands they'll continue to get the full south stand. Only way we can put pressure on the club is by bothering to turn up.

[Just Alf]

Is this not the club that sent out a press release about other club's singing???? (Aberdeen)

[Steven79]

Until we can fill the three home stands they'll continue to get the full south stand. Only way we can put pressure on the club is by bothering to turn up.Only way the fans will turn up is when the team turns up...

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[marinello59]

I don’t usually hear what they are singing at ER apart from the odd song or two. Today was as bad as I have heard it in years. Looks like they dusted off some of their old favourites from the 70s and 80s. Maybe because they are locked out of Parkhead now and they can’t get them out there.
Hibs need to say something. Let’s not call it bigotry, let’s call it out for what it is , racism.

[Since452]

Only way the fans will turn up is when the team turns up...

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The team have been very good of late. The empty stands must have been so deflating when they walked out

[makaveli1875]

Couldnt make out a single word of them but I'm going to get all offended anyway . Proper ragin

[HarpOnHibee]

Nothing will be done as the clubs, Police and Scottish Parliament are all spineless.

There was a policy put in place in an effort to root out this kind of thing, but too many people complained about government overreach.

[Torto7]

We should just give them the whole stadium and play the under 19's. Charge them 150 quid for a ticket and name it the big bad bigot fest. These games are increasingly pointless and Hibs have never bothered to try and tackle the blatant sectarianism. None of my kids go to games against them.

[Chorley Hibee]

One of the reasons our home form is as ***** down the years as it is, is the lack of atmosphere at ER.

The club have done everything to sanitise the last drop of it from all three home stands, whilst giving the Huns etc free reign to do whatever they wish when they attend, effectively turning it into a home game for them.

They can sing whatever they like, bring in whatever they like, hang their banners wherever they like, even attend without tickets, and sit and stand wherever they like too.

It was quite incredible the amount of stuff the Union Bears managed to bring into the stands today given the searches I witnessed outside the East stand today.

Meanwhile, you can't so much as sneak a water bottle in our end, display a tifo etc.

Also continuing with the empty FF family stand every week, instead of assigning it to the more vocal elements of our support, just compounds the issue further.

Easter Road is a rather miserable place to watch football I'm afraid to say.

[Torto7]

One of the reasons our home form is as ***** down the years as it is, is the lack of atmosphere at ER.

The club have done everything to sanitise the last drop of it from all three home stands, whilst giving the Huns etc free reign to do whatever they wish when they attend, effectively turning it into a home game for them.

They can sing whatever they like, bring in whatever they like, hang their banners wherever they like, even attend without tickets, and sit and stand wherever they like too.

It was quite incredible the amount of stuff the Union Bears managed to bring into the stands today given the searches I witnessed outside the East stand today.

Meanwhile, you can't so much as sneak a water bottle in our end, display a tifo etc.

Also continuing with the empty FF family stand every week, instead of assigning it to the more vocal elements of our support, just compounds the issue further.

Easter Road is a rather miserable place to watch football I'm afraid to say.

True. One tit on the East stand side had a Trump sticker on his top. WTF is the obsession they have with Trump all about, do they like Republicans all of a sudden?

[A Hi-Bee]

Only way the fans will turn up is when the team turns up...

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:top marks then we might be able to drown the bile that comes from the hun hordes.

[Hibrandenburg]

Nothing will be done as the clubs, Police and Scottish Parliament are all spineless.

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Spineless or onside?

[one day maybe...]

One of the reasons our home form is as ***** down the years as it is, is the lack of atmosphere at ER.

The club have done everything to sanitise the last drop of it from all three home stands, whilst giving the Huns etc free reign to do whatever they wish when they attend, effectively turning it into a home game for them.

They can sing whatever they like, bring in whatever they like, hang their banners wherever they like, even attend without tickets, and sit and stand wherever they like too.

It was quite incredible the amount of stuff the Union Bears managed to bring into the stands today given the searches I witnessed outside the East stand today.

Meanwhile, you can't so much as sneak a water bottle in our end, display a tifo etc.

Also continuing with the empty FF family stand every week, instead of assigning it to the more vocal elements of our support, just compounds the issue further.

Easter Road is a rather miserable place to watch football I'm afraid to say.

100% correct the hardship of getting into our ground should be placed on away fans. They (the OF ) should be the ones enduring searches. Christ the only time I’ve loved being at ER was the 4-4 game in amongst them at that end, drowning out their bile.. if we as a club are t going to pull them up for the sectarian behaviour then allow our fans to

[GreenCastle]

Money to Hibs seems to mean more more than the home fan experience / resultS

Would give them minimum / no tickets then listen to them cry.

Waste of time going to these games - gives the bigots a platform.

[The Baldmans Comb]

Going to a football match and indeed going through life hating Catholics, hating Scottish people, hating Irish people, praising terrorist organisations and there atrocities and glorifying massacres takes some sort of sick mentality.

It almost makes their rendetion and support of English nationalism seem like sweet wee nursery rymes.

Kensall, Johnston and Mcdermott probably were tapping along to their countries anthem and are hardly going to do a single thing given they ran **** scared after the double disruption of the Ron Gordon tribute.

Though in complete fairness to them nobody else in authority at Hibs over the years have opened their wee moooths ever.

[One Day Soon]

There was a policy put in place in an effort to root out this kind of thing, but too many people complained about government overreach.

There's more than enough legislation in place to deal with sectarian behaviour at football matches if the authorities choose to actually enforce it. Complaints about government overreach have **** all to do with it.

[Halmyre Hibee]

Up to the SFA to state points deduction/ fines etc if sectarian bile is heard. It will then stop.

[One Day Soon]

Spineless or onside?

I cannot be bothered rehearsing the full fat version of this again. Put simply, allowing this behaviour to flourish is not accidental. Sectarianism is an economic model that has allowed two teams in Scotland to dominate the rest. It is the ONLY reason they have Scotland wide rather than just Glasgow wide fan bases. The many authorities that tolerate this do so consciously, deliberately and actively because it preserves the status quo.

[HarpOnHibee]

There's more than enough legislation in place to deal with sectarian behaviour at football matches if the authorities choose to actually enforce it. Complaints about government overreach have **** all to do with it.

Disagree. The volume at games has gotten considerably louder since the act was abolished. I'd be interested to know what legislation you're referring to though that is currently in place that allows them to do much of anything.

[givescotlandfreedom]

Douglas Ross must have been bursting to join in.

[Sylar]

“Glory, glory, what a terrible way to die, to die a f****n b*****d”.

I mean…what can you say? How much clearer does it need to be?

[A Hi-Bee]

Douglas Ross must have been bursting to join in.

bursting for something.

[One Day Soon]

Disagree. The volume at games has gotten considerably louder since the act was abolished. I'd be interested to know what legislation you're referring to though that is currently in place that allows them to do much of anything.

How do you imagine people are arrested and charged with public order offences outside of football grounds? It's got nothing to do with powers, it's entirely about willingness (or lack of) to confront it.

[Vault Boy]

A bigot choir who happen to follow a recently formed football team

[marinello59]

How do you imagine people are arrested and charged with public order offences outside of football grounds? It's got nothing to do with powers, it's entirely about willingness (or lack of) to confront it.

:agree:

[HarpOnHibee]

How do you imagine people are arrested and charged with public order offences outside of football grounds? It's got nothing to do with powers, it's entirely about willingness (or lack of) to confront it.

It's not outside a football ground though. It's thousands of people packed into a stand. Good luck sending the police in there to arrest and charge every individual person involved.

The only people that can really do anything at this point are the SFA. They could batter the club with fines and I don't mean petty fines that the club can laugh off. I'm talking about real fines that have a very real impact on their transfer budget. It's the only way they'll ever get their "supporters" in order when they see the impact their bigotry is having on the pitch.

[Gatecrasher]

Away fans get away with murder at ER, songs aside there was flares and smoke bombs, some sections were well over capacity and they were clearly blocking access areas and stairs, banners over advertising board, there was even a section closed off that they started to sneak into and the stewards didn't stop them. Yet we are treated like criminals getting into our own ground.

[One Day Soon]

It's not outside a football ground though. It's thousands of people packed into a stand. Good luck sending the police in there to arrest and charge every individual person involved.

The only people that can really do anything at this point are the SFA. They could batter the club with fines and I don't mean petty fines that the club can laugh off. I'm talking about real fines that have a very real impact on their transfer budget. It's the only way they'll ever get their "supporters" in order when they see the impact their bigotry is having on the pitch.

That's just complete nonsense. We had an operation to track down as many Hibs supporters as possible after the cup final in 2016. The idea that nothing can be done is laughable. The idea that we need more legislation to stop it even more so. Everything is filmed and recorded these days.

All that needs to happen is for 20 to 30 arrests and prosecutions to take place for this behaviour at every game for succeeding weeks and it would quickly die down. Particularly if sentencing also involved lifetime bans from football grounds.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

You only sing in the chapels was one of the songs today

[Hibby70]

It's quite a simple thing to eradicate. State we are cutting their allocation in half due to the recent singing with a promise that it will be cut in half again if it persists.

We are in control of this as a club. Will we ? I doubt it.

[HarpOnHibee]

That's just complete nonsense. We had an operation to track down as many Hibs supporters as possible after the cup final in 2016. The idea that nothing can be done is laughable. The idea that we need more legislation to stop it even more so. Everything is filmed and recorded these days.

All that needs to happen is for 20 to 30 arrests and prosecutions to take place for this behaviour at every game for succeeding weeks and it would quickly die down. Particularly if sentencing also involved lifetime bans from football grounds.

So we were told. But who was actually tracked down in the end? Ultimately nothing happened because it wasn't realistic to sift through all of the footage and identify every individual involved. It would have taken far too much time and would have cost far too much money.

On what grounds would such arrests be made? As much as we don't like it, singing songs about the pope, an MP that died over 4 decades ago and a bizarre love interest with a family that couldn't care less about them isn't against the law. It's odd and despicable behaviour, but doesn't warrant arrests.

[Scotty Leither]

You only sing in the chapels was one of the songs today

“**** the Pope” and song’s praising a proscribed terrorist organisation were also among the playbook. A guy also standing in plain sight of the polis in the front six rows holding a pyro.

What more evidence backed up by CCTV do the polis need?

[gbhibby]

Notice that sky never apologise for bad language when they sing their bile, but will apologise if an effects microphone picks up a lone guy swearing from the stand. Sky can blank out the background noise if they want but never do when its that that club.

[Brightside]

Hibs need to take the blame for this now. They say nothing. It’s disgusting

[Mick O'Rourke]

It's not outside a football ground though. It's thousands of people packed into a stand. Good luck sending the police in there to arrest and charge every individual person involved.

The only people that can really do anything at this point are the SFA. They could batter the club with fines and I don't mean petty fines that the club can laugh off. I'm talking about real fines that have a very real impact on their transfer budget. It's the only way they'll ever get their "supporters" in order when they see the impact their bigotry is having on the pitch.

But they dont need to do that.
No "good luck" about it either .
It is a policeman or policewomans job to arrest lawbreakers, isnt it ?
When i was younger and there was bother in the Cave,the polis would come in,snatch a few possibles and either throw them out the ground or charge them.
Usual charge back then, that covers a multitude of sins, was breach of the peace.
Or if you resisted arrest, Police Assault !!:rolleyes:
Those zombies that sat,i am told,in the sectioned off bit in the South,should have been removed by the police as soon as they went in there.

In general,regards the racist/sectarian bile. Laws are there.
Just rarely implemented when it comes to that mob .
Those in authority that could do something,are scared to do something!
A bit like those Republican politicians in the US who wont criticise that fascist chumpTrump.
Scared off a backlash/harm from the Maga cultists and maybe lose their seat in congress.
Our powers that be in Scotland ,football and political,are likewise,scared to call out rAngers and the hun hordes.

My wish is they go bust again and die ...Permanently would be fine !!
Or leave and join some baltic/atlantic /siberian super league.
Where no one understands their bigotry/racism :confused:
Its clear some of their players dont !

No other way we can get rid of them .or have their hordes silenced/sanctioned,the way things are now.
Police wont make significant arrests at games that would maybe make a difference.
The football authorities just bury their collective heads in the sand...and move on .....
As Oliver Hardy would say

"Twas ever thus"

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

We need to protest next season in one of the games v them on sky next season. If the club won’t do anything about it then the fans should.

[One Day Soon]

So we were told. But who was actually tracked down in the end? Ultimately nothing happened because it wasn't realistic to sift through all of the footage and identify every individual involved. It would have taken far too much time and would have cost far too much money.

On what grounds would such arrests be made? As much as we don't like it, singing songs about the pope, an MP that died over 4 decades ago and a bizarre love interest with a family that couldn't care less about them isn't against the law. It's odd and despicable behaviour, but doesn't warrant arrests.


Wait, don't you remember all of the weeks of mugshots released to the media taken as stills from recorded footage and asking for information on names and addresses? Don't try and claim a lot of time and money wasn't spent on all that.

I'm pretty sure that arresting people for, for example, singing songs about dying as 'Fenian *******s' would constitute as good a public order offence as you're likely to see.

[Scotty Leither]

One of the reasons our home form is as ***** down the years as it is, is the lack of atmosphere at ER.

The club have done everything to sanitise the last drop of it from all three home stands, whilst giving the Huns etc free reign to do whatever they wish when they attend, effectively turning it into a home game for them.

They can sing whatever they like, bring in whatever they like, hang their banners wherever they like, even attend without tickets, and sit and stand wherever they like too.

It was quite incredible the amount of stuff the Union Bears managed to bring into the stands today given the searches I witnessed outside the East stand today.

Meanwhile, you can't so much as sneak a water bottle in our end, display a tifo etc.

Also continuing with the empty FF family stand every week, instead of assigning it to the more vocal elements of our support, just compounds the issue further.

Easter Road is a rather miserable place to watch football I'm afraid to say.

Did the club ban a tifo being displayed in the ground today?

[Chorley Hibee]

Did the club ban a tifo being displayed in the ground today?

https://twitter.com/blocksevenhibs/status/1658936306825670657?t=9EHx8V_mNcnRZHz57VoGQg&s=19

Not one, but three according to the link above.

Health and safety, and the stringent checks on our own support, obviously wasn't applicable to the away end once again, given all the Union Bears managed to 'sneak' in.

[Hiber-nation]

Wonder if anyone will ask Dougie Ross what he thought about it and what he would do about it.

[Mon Dieu4]

Away fans get away with murder at ER, songs aside there was flares and smoke bombs, some sections were well over capacity and they were clearly blocking access areas and stairs, banners over advertising board, there was even a section closed off that they started to sneak into and the stewards didn't stop them. Yet we are treated like criminals getting into our own ground.

I basically got a cavity search on the way in today, I'm 43 years of age, I certainly don't fit into the demographic of a trouble maker, trying to get into the east today was worse than anything I've ever experienced in my entire life yet the Huns still manage to get in countless flares and all sorts

[Fuzzywuzzy]

“**** the Pope” and song’s praising a proscribed terrorist organisation were also among the playbook. A guy also standing in plain sight of the polis in the front six rows holding a pyro.

What more evidence backed up by CCTV do the polis need?

It'll 'not be in the public interest' to do a thing

[scm70nyd1973]

**** should be banned from away grounds shocking sectarian singing

Petty and unrealistic as it clearly is but my preference would be for all clubs to offer (at the start of each season) a 3-0 to the Huns and Soapdodgers without playing a single minute of football so they can play each other every week - that way they don’t come to Leith and other places singing their bile.

On the more slightly realistic front - but clearly being over optimistic- I would like the polis to start arresting random **** one at a time but frequently during a game when the sectarian singing starts. Like speeding - lots do it but only a few get caught. Just a regular procession of **** being hauled out and each banned from all stadiums in Scotland.

[GreenCastle]

Ban them from stadium and explain why in the media.

That will get people talking.

Takes some guts - over to you Hibs.

[LewysGot2]

Full putrid repertoire today.

Glorifying terrorists
Vilifying catholics and the Irish

It was almost a relief when they copied the Bus Shelter Boys' "falling apart again" dirge...about the only non-sectarian or bigoted song all day.

How were some of their fans allowed to sit in the cordoned off section nearest the East?

Tell me, Mr William Boyne, what attracted you to one of the rotten two horses in a 2 horse race? Glory hunting, bigotry or both?

Scotland's Shame.

[neil7908]

It's not outside a football ground though. It's thousands of people packed into a stand. Good luck sending the police in there to arrest and charge every individual person involved.

The only people that can really do anything at this point are the SFA. They could batter the club with fines and I don't mean petty fines that the club can laugh off. I'm talking about real fines that have a very real impact on their transfer budget. It's the only way they'll ever get their "supporters" in order when they see the impact their bigotry is having on the pitch.

I could be wrong but I thought this was up to the SPL, who have not voted to accept collective responsibility?

Or surely the police should be stepping in given we are talking about criminal offences?

I'm not one to defend the SFA but there are so, so many turning a blind eye to this (Hibs included).

[Smartie]

Hibs are the biggest part of the problem here.

They don’t need to tolerate it but they do.

Disappointing I can’t bring myself to say “we” in this context but that’s the way it is.

I’ve washed my hands of attending this fixture long ago.

It’s despicable that this is tolerated in this day and age.

[Scotty Leither]

https://twitter.com/blocksevenhibs/status/1658936306825670657?t=9EHx8V_mNcnRZHz57VoGQg&s=19

Not one, but three according to the link above.

Health and safety, and the stringent checks on our own support, obviously wasn't applicable to the away end once again, given all the Union Bears managed to 'sneak' in.

Thanks. I would guess that’s because of the the anti-Coronation banner being displayed at the St Mirren game which probably sneaked in under the club’s nose has irked them somewhat.

It looks like David Forsyth’s mitts are over this, much as they were when Willie Docherty got sacked for playing “taxman” on the PA.

Pretty pathetic state of affairs, what are we feared of exactly?

[CL0762]

Notice that sky never apologise for bad language when they sing their bile, but will apologise if an effects microphone picks up a lone guy swearing from the stand. Sky can blank out the background noise if they want but never do when its that that club.

In the bigotfest last week Crocker exclaimed “ibrox is bouncing” as they sang about buying a flute for 50 pence.

Simple way to solve it, as soon as they start singing the referee stops play and a warning put over the tannoy.

It would happen if there was racist chanting and rightly so, why should sectarianism be any different?

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

Points deduction is the only answer here, of course that will never happen

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

I don’t usually hear what they are singing at ER apart from the odd song or two. Today was as bad as I have heard it in years. Looks like they dusted off some of their old favourites from the 70s and 80s. Maybe because they are locked out of Parkhead now and they can’t get them out there.
Hibs need to say something. Let’s not call it bigotry, let’s call it out for what it is , racism.

Racism, really?

[Just Alf]

That's just complete nonsense. We had an operation to track down as many Hibs supporters as possible after the cup final in 2016. The idea that nothing can be done is laughable. The idea that we need more legislation to stop it even more so. Everything is filmed and recorded these days.

All that needs to happen is for 20 to 30 arrests and prosecutions to take place for this behaviour at every game for succeeding weeks and it would quickly die down. Particularly if sentencing also involved lifetime bans from football grounds.I hear you.. the issue is it doesn't happen

[Eyrie]

Racism, really?

Change the target of any of those songs from Catholics to black or what ever, and it would obviously be racism.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Change the target of any of those songs from Catholics to black or what ever, and it would obviously be racism.

Black yes, whatever who knows? It's sectarian not racist, still ****bags though.

[SON OF PADDY]

The team have been very good of late. The empty stands must have been so deflating when they walked out

The queue to get into the East stand was huge, spilling out on to the street, seemly the police where searching everyone going in !
I walked past them, about 15 minutes before kick off heading to the West stand.

[JohnM1875]

I will never understand why we don't announce something over the tannoy (public address system) asking them to stop when they start their songs?

Aye, it might encourage them to keep going or sing louder, but it'll clearly announce to Sky etc, who tend to mute the mics, when it's happening and we don't accept it.

****ing disgusting it's so still ingrained in the mutants in 2023. Embarrassing.

[HarpOnHibee]

I could be wrong but I thought this was up to the SPL, who have not voted to accept collective responsibility?

Or surely the police should be stepping in given we are talking about criminal offences?

I'm not one to defend the SFA but there are so, so many turning a blind eye to this (Hibs included).

Are they criminal offences though? If so, who are the victims? And why are those victims not pressing charges? The police are not going to do anything unless charges are filed against individuals causing those offences by those affected by those offences. We all like to come on here and have a whinge about the nonsense this lot spew out. But it's not as if we're taking any constructive action ourselves that would be required to trigger an investigation.

[Rumble de Thump]

When it comes to racism, people can be quite picky about the definition they prefer. One definition is 'a group of people sharing the same culture, history, language, etc.; an ethnic group.' Unless we ignore this definition, sectarianism is a type of racism. If the authorities don't want to regard it as such, they should explain to us why discrimination and abuse of some groups of people is acceptable and some is not.

[Smartie]

I will never understand why we don't announce something over the tannoy (public address system) asking them to stop when they start their songs?

Aye, it might encourage them to keep going or sing louder, but it'll clearly announce to Sky etc, who tend to mute the mics, when it's happening and we don't accept it.

****ing disgusting it's so still ingrained in the mutants in 2023. Embarrassing.

Because Hibs don’t care.

They want “the blue pound” more than they want to stick up for the abuse of their own fans.

Maybe Hibs fans either don’t care or don’t object to their own club vociferously enough?

[Pedantic_Hibee]

Hibs need to take the blame for this now. They say nothing. It’s disgusting

Spot on.

[Hibby70]

Is there an email address for the board (or any of them individually)?

[gbhibby]

I will never understand why we don't announce something over the tannoy (public address system) asking them to stop when they start their songs?

Aye, it might encourage them to keep going or sing louder, but it'll clearly announce to Sky etc, who tend to mute the mics, when it's happening and we don't accept it.

****ing disgusting it's so still ingrained in the mutants in 2023. Embarrassing.
SKY did not mute the mics today sound came out loud and clear through the top speakers on my sky glass tv.

[JohnM1875]

Because Hibs don’t care.

They want “the blue pound” more than they want to stick up for the abuse of their own fans.

Maybe Hibs fans either don’t care or don’t object to their own club vociferously enough?

That's so disappointing, but I totally agree with you. All about the money and **** everything else.

The fact we said **** all after the RG memorial home game really got to me.

It's not acting on stuff like this that'll eventually turn fans away.

[JohnM1875]

SKY did not mute the mics today sound came out loud and clear through the top speakers on my sky glass tv.

Just makes it even worse eh? So disappointing they continually get away with it.

[Chorley Hibee]

That's so disappointing, but I totally agree with you. All about the money and **** everything else.

The fact we said **** all after the RG memorial home game really got to me.

It's not acting on stuff like this that'll eventually turn fans away.

I've not renewed my season ticket because of a few issues.

This is one of them.

[Pretty Boy]

Nothing will happen. It never does.

Waste of time moaning about it. It's wrong, we all know it's wrong but most of Scottish society just pretends it doesn't happen whilst churning out the 'we're aw Jock Tamsons bairns' pish.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Whatever the ins and outs of this debate one thing is not open to question. THAT was as bad as I've heard the sectarianism spewing out from the south stand in decades, as another poster has said it was literally a throwback to the 1970s with practically the whole disgusting repertoire belted out.

This should have been a game Hibs were able to sell out, especially on the back of a good result against St Mirren and a good performance at Pittodrie. OK the kick off time was brutal, but you can't help thinking that this is fast becoming a fixture folk simply aren't prepared to go to and especially not to take their kids to. I have seen fans of other clubs say the same about visits from the uglies, but especially it has to be said from Rangers 2012.

It is absolutely clear that neither the SFA or SPFL have any interest whatsoever in addressing a problem that, if today was anything to go by, far from going away is getting worse. It is fanciful to expect the police to pile into the crowd and randomly lift individual fans, they are as afraid of their fans as the poorly paid stewards are. There is absolutely no chance of Rangers 2012 doing anything about it, why upset your core support, in fact there's far more chance of them issuing another orange away strip.

The only way anything will ever get done is if a club .... oh I don't know, lets say Hibernian .... grow some baws.

[hibee-boys]

I arrived at the East Stand around 11.40 to find long queues as, I assume, Hibs fans were getting searched 1 by 1. Absolute joke and thankfully they must’ve relented or there would’ve been a riot! Our fans treated like criminals before we even get near the East Stand yet time and time again The Rangers fans stand where they want, throw what they want, stand with smoke bombs in full sight of the authorities, sing the most disgusting sectarian bile and absolutely nothing is done by the authorities nor our club!!😡

[gbhibby]

Whatever the ins and outs of this debate one thing is not open to question. THAT was as bad as I've heard the sectarianism spewing out from the south stand in decades, as another poster has said it was literally a throwback to the 1970s with practically the whole disgusting repertoire belted out.

This should have been a game Hibs were able to sell out, especially on the back of a good result against St Mirren and a good performance at Pittodrie. OK the kick off time was brutal, but you can't help thinking that this is fast becoming a fixture folk simply aren't prepared to go to and especially not to take their kids to. I have seen fans of other clubs say the same about visits from the uglies, but especially it has to be said from Rangers 2012.

It is absolutely clear that neither the SFA or SPFL have any interest whatsoever in addressing a problem that, if today was anything to go by, far from going away is getting worse. It is fanciful to expect the police to pile into the crowd and randomly lift individual fans, they are as afraid of their fans as the poorly paid stewards are. There is absolutely no chance of Rangers 2012 doing anything about it, why upset your core support, in fact there's far more chance of them issuing another orange away strip.

The only way anything will ever get done is if a club .... oh I don't know, lets say Hibernian .... grow some baws.
It needs clubs like ourselves and Aberdeen and Heartswho can't stand them to refuse to sell them any tickets and tell them where they can stick their blue pound.

[Bridge hibs]

It needs clubs like ourselves and Aberdeen who can't stand them to refuse to sell them any tickets and tell them where they can stick their blue pound.

We wont though and we will be saying the same thing next season, then the next, then the next etc etc etc

[HarpOnHibee]

Nothing will happen. It never does.

Waste of time moaning about it. It's wrong, we all know it's wrong but most of Scottish society just pretends it doesn't happen whilst churning out the 'we're aw Jock Tamsons bairns' pish.


Whatever the ins and outs of this debate one thing is not open to question. THAT was as bad as I've heard the sectarianism spewing out from the south stand in decades, as another poster has said it was literally a throwback to the 1970s with practically the whole disgusting repertoire belted out.

This should have been a game Hibs were able to sell out, especially on the back of a good result against St Mirren and a good performance at Pittodrie. OK the kick off time was brutal, but you can't help thinking that this is fast becoming a fixture folk simply aren't prepared to go to and especially not to take their kids to. I have seen fans of other clubs say the same about visits from the uglies, but especially it has to be said from Rangers 2012.

It is absolutely clear that neither the SFA or SPFL have any interest whatsoever in addressing a problem that, if today was anything to go by, far from going away is getting worse. It is fanciful to expect the police to pile into the crowd and randomly lift individual fans, they are as afraid of their fans as the poorly paid stewards are. There is absolutely no chance of Rangers 2012 doing anything about it, why upset your core support, in fact there's far more chance of them issuing another orange away strip.

The only way anything will ever get done is if a club .... oh I don't know, lets say Hibernian .... grow some baws.

Precisely this. It's pointless whinging on here about a lack of action, when we're not prepared to individually or collectively do anything about it. If there was a real motive to put an end to this, thousands of police reports from our own supporters and the supporters of other clubs would be a good place to start. They can ignore 2 or 3 reports, but not thousands of them if we're actually serious about tackling the issue.

[SteveHFC]

I arrived at the East Stand around 11.40 to find long queues as, I assume, Hibs fans were getting searched 1 by 1. Absolute joke and thankfully they must’ve relented or there would’ve been a riot! Our fans treated like criminals before we even get near the East Stand yet time and time again The Rangers fans stand where they want, throw what they want, stand with smoke bombs in full sight of the authorities, sing the most disgusting sectarian bile and absolutely nothing is done by the authorities nor our club!!😡

Agree mate.

Hopefully the same doesn’t happen on Wednesday night.

[BegbieHSC]

The moment one club calls out Rangers supporters directly, is the moment we’ll start to see more scrutiny and maybe things can change.

If a professional club calls out the shame of our league publicly, maybe their problem will be discussed on the news, in Parliament, instead of just football forums and Twitter. Until a strong statement is put out, Scottish public society will continue to pretend there isn’t a problem, and keep its head in the sand.

At the moment, no club has the balls to take them on. I wish it could be us, as due to our history, their bile is amplified amongst their Neanderthal support.

It’s 2023, and the Huns haven’t changed. Their club died, but the bigotry has got even worse.

After the shame they brought during Ron’s tribute, and indeed nearly every time we’ve played them
in living memory leading to today, we’ve said nothing. Our club needs a backbone and say enough is enough. Make a statement Hibs, and maybe we can change things!

[Pretty Boy]

4 Hibs managers in my lifetime have suffered horrendous sectarian abuse from Rangers fans because of their affiliation with Celtic. Mowbray, Collins, Stubbs and Lennon. The former also had to deal with being mocked because his wife died from cancer, Stubbs was mocked for having had cancer and let's not even start on what Lennon had to put up with throughout his time in Scotland. Religious bigotry married with anti Irish xenophobia leading to death threats and bullets being sent in the post. Lovely.

Throughout it all Hibs said **** all. Other clubs continually do likewise. The only person who really had the bollocks to call them out was Steve Clarke and he got the backlash and then some. Yet when Glenn Kamara was racially abused we all jumped into line. Posting on social media and releasing statements saying how appalled we were. Racism is appalling and I'm glad it was called out on that occasion but the hypocrisy is clear for all to see. It was the easy thing to do after that incident. Calling it out when it's that mob doing the absuing with the power they hold is difficult so no one says anything. Those in power at Hibs are cowards, as are those in power at every other club in the league. A bunch of spineless wimps who have allowed themselves to be bullied.

[tamig]

True. One tit on the East stand side had a Trump sticker on his top. WTF is the obsession they have with Trump all about, do they like Republicans all of a sudden?

Orange man bud. Self-explanatory 😀

[tamig]

One of the reasons our home form is as ***** down the years as it is, is the lack of atmosphere at ER.

The club have done everything to sanitise the last drop of it from all three home stands, whilst giving the Huns etc free reign to do whatever they wish when they attend, effectively turning it into a home game for them.

They can sing whatever they like, bring in whatever they like, hang their banners wherever they like, even attend without tickets, and sit and stand wherever they like too.

It was quite incredible the amount of stuff the Union Bears managed to bring into the stands today given the searches I witnessed outside the East stand today.

Meanwhile, you can't so much as sneak a water bottle in our end, display a tifo etc.

Also continuing with the empty FF family stand every week, instead of assigning it to the more vocal elements of our support, just compounds the issue further.

Easter Road is a rather miserable place to watch football I'm afraid to say.

I’m on holiday just now so was watching from abroad. My laddie said there were huge queues outside the East pre-match as everybody was being “patted down” before going in. I really wonder if they were afforded the same treatment outside the South?

[B.H.F.C]

I hate the way our club just accepts it. You can’t put things out about not tolerating this or that when you clearly will if the price is right.

What they sing doesn’t offend me in the slightest but I detest them being able to behave however they want and basically take the piss out of us in our own back yard.

[tamig]

Wait, don't you remember all of the weeks of mugshots released to the media taken as stills from recorded footage and asking for information on names and addresses? Don't try and claim a lot of time and money wasn't spent on all that.

I'm pretty sure that arresting people for, for example, singing songs about dying as 'Fenian *******s' would constitute as good a public order offence as you're likely to see.

Old Harpo must be at it. How any Hibs fan can forget this scandal is beyond me. Ludicrous, unprecedented and a blatant misuse of public money. There should have been an inquiry into this. Believe they still had some full-time resource assigned to it two years after the glorious day. Absolute shambles.

[Chorley Hibee]

Old Harpo must be at it. How any Hibs fan can forget this scandal is beyond me. Ludicrous, unprecedented and a blatant misuse of public money. There should have been an inquiry into this. Believe they still had some full-time resource assigned to it two years after the glorious day. Absolute shambles.

3 years and over a million pound of public money.

An absolute disgrace.

[jakeshibs]

I hate the vile bigotry and sectarianism from the ugly sisters and had my son at the game, so was completely embarrassed, also our own support singing lizzies in a box etc totally unacceptable at a football match.

[Scotty Leither]

That's so disappointing, but I totally agree with you. All about the money and **** everything else.

The fact we said **** all after the RG memorial home game really got to me.

It's not acting on stuff like this that'll eventually turn fans away.

At the recent away season ticket holders do at Easter Road, Ben Kensell said that the rendition of “Sunshine on Leith” pre-match v Rangers in memory of Ron Gordon made “the hair on his neck stand up” as we “out sang the Rangers fans”

No mention of the bile we were “out singing” of course.

They’re simply not interested in calling this ***** out at Easter Road, they only want the blue pound to the detriment of their own supporters and there’ll be a blind eye turned to the large gaps in our stands today too.

Any chance of you growing a set, Ben?

[Stokesy's on fire]

The racist chanting from the away end today needs to be called out its time clubs were punished for that sort of vile hate loaded racist singing

[Bridge hibs]

At the recent away season ticket holders do at Easter Road, Ben Kensell said that the rendition of “Sunshine on Leith” pre-match v Rangers in memory of Ron Gordon made “the hair on his neck stand up” as we “out sang the Rangers fans”

No mention of the bile we were “out singing” of course.

They’re simply not interested in calling this ***** out at Easter Road, they only want the blue pound to the detriment of their own supporters and there’ll be a blind eye turned to the large gaps in our stands today too.

Any chance of you growing a set, Ben?What did Ben say to you when you pulled him up about it face to face ?

[Scotty Leither]

What did Ben say to you when you pulled him up about it face to face ?

I’ve actually spoke to him about it before pal, and also about the treatment Porteous was getting from the Press.

Guess what? he’s not interested.

[Billy Whizz]

I’m on holiday just now so was watching from abroad. My laddie said there were huge queues outside the East pre-match as everybody was being “patted down” before going in. I really wonder if they were afforded the same treatment outside the South?

No idea, but lots of Hibs fans were late getting in due to security checks outside

[Bridge hibs]

I’ve actually spoke to him about it before pal, and also about the treatment Porteous was getting from the Press.

Guess what? he’s not interested.There you go then, I said earlier that we will be having this discussion again next season then the next then the next, same goes for games against celtc too by the way, its not just hibs problem though, its Scottish footballs, hibs could set a precedent though and hopefully others would follow

Watch out for those flying pigs

[Scotty Leither]

There you go then, I said earlier that we will be having this discussion again next season then the next then the next, same goes for games against celtc too by the way, its not just hibs problem though, its Scottish footballs, hibs could set a precedent though and hopefully others would follow

Watch out for those flying pigs

I think we’re both saying the same thing in different ways. I’ve listened to that guff from them for over forty years now.

What compounded it for me today was the meek performance and the (in my opinion) sanitisation of our own fans by way of the extensive searches and banning of banners by our own club.

“Frit” is an old Scots word for it, I think.

[MWHIBBIES]

Hibs to blame really. They do nothing, so they enable it.

[Stokesy's on fire]

Also worth mentioning that if we want less of them in our ground then more of our fans need to turn up in good numbers. Don't let them take over our home same applied to celtic by the way.

[Chuck Rhoades]

Same thread every game against them. If you’re that bothered write to the club or go see them. Posting on here will achieve nothing - hasn’t done in nearly 3 decades.

[Ringothedog]

Couldnt make out a single word of them but I'm going to get all offended anyway . Proper ragin

And you have decided to be a clown

[Chorley Hibee]

"Hibernian FC has a zero-tolerance position on all kinds of racist and discriminatory abuse and finds that behaviour completely abhorrent."

A reminder of the lie spouted by the club earlier this season.

As mentioned above, they're nothing but enablers.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Going to a football match and indeed going through life hating Catholics, hating Scottish people, hating Irish people, praising terrorist organisations and there atrocities and glorifying massacres takes some sort of sick mentality.

It almost makes their rendetion and support of English nationalism seem like sweet wee nursery rymes.

Kensall, Johnston and Mcdermott probably were tapping along to their countries anthem and are hardly going to do a single thing given they ran **** scared after the double disruption of the Ron Gordon tribute.

Though in complete fairness to them nobody else in authority at Hibs over the years have opened their wee moooths ever.

Are you suggesting BK, LJ and BM are anti catholic bigots (or at least tolerant of anti catholic bigotry) because they’re English?


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The usual Rangers song book got a good airing today. Loud and proud the full stand singing about “Fenian *******s”, “**** the Pope and the IRA”, “fenian blood” etc etc.

But hey! It’s “just a minority” eh . . .

[BILLYHIBS]

Club need to make a stand

Call out their racist singing

Ban them from our ground

Celtic and The Rangers have already banned each others fans

We don’t need their red white and blue orange pound

Grow a spine Hibs for once

[JohnM1875]

I've mentioned it before and I know it shouldn't need to come to this, but isn't there something we can do as a board? Maybe send a signed letter from .net making our feelings known about it?

Thousands use this site daily and I know that might put a lot of pressure on admins etc, but surely it's better than a few separate folk sending emails to Ben or someone else at Hibs.

[Jones28]

Maybe a compilation of their songs put together and subtitled with words would be something that would make people sit up and take notice?


That’s probably ***** but you never know.

[Bridge hibs]

I've mentioned it before and I know it shouldn't need to come to this, but isn't there something we can do as a board? Maybe send a signed letter from .net making our feelings known about it?

Thousands use this site daily and I know that might put a lot of pressure on admins etc, but surely it's better than a few separate folk sending emails to Ben or someone else at Hibs.No chance, lets be honest here, how many on this thread have posted their thoughts about it, a handful ? The same as all the other threads over the years probably. I agree something needs done but as Ive repeatedly said and as Scotty Leither has suggested on another post, the board dont appear to be interested and we will be having the same thread next season and the next

[JohnM1875]

No chance, lets be honest here, how many on this thread have posted their thoughts about it, a handful ? The same as all the other threads over the years probably. I agree something needs done but as Ive repeatedly said and as Scotty Leither has suggested on another post, the board dont appear to be interested and we will be having the same thread next season and the next

It's just so frustrating.

Like I said earlier the RG game really got to me. Honestly couldn't believe we just let that slide.

I've already renewed for next year, but if it's more of the same that might be me.

[southern hibby]

Maybe just maybe we should all e mail the club rather than venting on here and tell the club exactly what we think they should do about it.

If enough of us do this then maybe just maybe something will be done. I’m away to send an email now.

GGTTH

[marinello59]

Maybe just maybe we should all e mail the club rather than venting on here and tell the club exactly what we think they should do about it.

If enough of us do this then maybe just maybe something will be done. I’m away to send an email now.

GGTTH

:top marks

[southern hibby]

E mail sent

GGTTH

[Since452]

Just all feels a bit ****. We seem to be a bit of a walkover. Can't really remember us standing up for ourselves as a club since we told Rangers to bolt when they tried to sign Scott Allan. Happy to take Rangers fans money and let them behave how they like while our own fans are heavily compromised. Empty stands for kickoff was embarrassing and deflating. Rangers pyros were nice though.

[JohnM1875]

E mail sent

GGTTH

To who though? Still think it'll be far more effective as a group than a handful of individual emails.

Good job on sending one though.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Just all feels a bit ****. We seem to be a bit of a walkover. Can't really remember us standing up for ourselves as a club since we told Rangers to bolt when they tried to sign Scott Allan. Happy to take Rangers fans money and let them behave how they like while our own fans are heavily compromised. Empty stands for kickoff was embarrassing and deflating. Rangers pyros were nice though.

Honestly I’ve said it before but rangers Celtic hearts and Aberdeen fans should have to go through airport level security at ER, give them **** all. Light searches for home fans, let a few flares in and let folk stuff a half bottle down their boxers if they want or whatever, **** everyone else. Fed up of the ***** these dirty hun **** *******s get away with at our stadium, would happily see them either banned or charged by the polis. The more cracked skulls the better, ****ing neanderthals


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[HibsGW]

Change the target of any of those songs from Catholics to black or what ever, and it would obviously be racism.

Spot on, for some reason it’s not racism when it’s anti Irish, anti any other country and it’s obvious racism. Horrible seeing us let it happen in our own ground.

[Cod Boy]

I wonder if a leading member of a political party who ran the line today will mention it in parliament

[gbhibby]

Can't use the S word on here but they are truly the S### of the Earth

[Pretty Boy]

Spot on, for some reason it’s not racism when it’s anti Irish, anti any other country and it’s obvious racism. Horrible seeing us let it happen in our own ground.

I actually think that's an important and often overlooked point.

Their target is very much Irish, Northern Irish and Scottish Catholics. Maybe it's because Italy and Spain and the like are traditionally a bit 'papey' anyway but the northern European Catholics, particularly those of the British Isles, are somehow more distasteful (to them). I get the racism tag is emotive but there is very much a xenophobic element to it all.

[BILLYHIBS]

I wonder if a leading member of a political party who ran the line today will mention it in parliament

Would that be the Unionist Party ?

I think not

[Dashing Bob S]

These clowns have had their madness indulged in Scotland for way too long.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

We should run up first team strips with the sponsor Nil By Mouth and wear them for games like this when it's on the telly and getting a potentially worldwide audience. At the end of the game they should be auctioned and the money given to an appropriate charity.

[SQHib]

So we were told. But who was actually tracked down in the end? Ultimately nothing happened because it wasn't realistic to sift through all of the footage and identify every individual involved. It would have taken far too much time and would have cost far too much money.

On what grounds would such arrests be made? As much as we don't like it, singing songs about the pope, an MP that died over 4 decades ago and a bizarre love interest with a family that couldn't care less about them isn't against the law. It's odd and despicable behaviour, but doesn't warrant arrests.
Personally know a fan .. a good as gold mother in her 40s who received a years banning order for just going on the pitch and celebrating at the final .. so people were punished .. to say nothing can be done is nonsense

[BegbieHSC]

Maybe just maybe we should all e mail the club rather than venting on here and tell the club exactly what we think they should do about it.

If enough of us do this then maybe just maybe something will be done. I’m away to send an email now.

GGTTH

Is there an email address available to contact the club about this? I’m sick of the silence from Hibs, and indeed wider Scottish society.

[hibeerealist]

beat the bassas that will defo shut the morons up!

Limp displays like today will never do the trick.

[southern hibby]

To who though? Still think it'll be far more effective as a group than a handful of individual emails.

Good job on sending one though.

iGoogled Hibs email address and it comes up with

Contact the club and that’s how I did it

GGTTH

[southern hibby]

Is there an email address available to contact the club about this? I’m sick of the silence from Hibs, and indeed wider Scottish society.

I googled Hibs e mail address and it came back with contact the club and that’s how I sent my email in to them.

GGTTH

[LunasBoots]

Heard Hibs actually liased with Rangers and warned them what was not acceptable, happened anyway, time to take action.

[mcohibs]

It's just so frustrating.

Like I said earlier the RG game really got to me. Honestly couldn't believe we just let that slide.

I've already renewed for next year, but if it's more of the same that might be me.

An absolute disgrace that we let that lot disrespect our late owner twice in the same week without so much as a peep from the club. Imagine the shoe was on the other foot. Soft as **** we are.

[gbhibby]

An absolute disgrace that we let that lot disrespect our late owner twice in the same week without so much as a peep from the club. Imagine the shoe was on the other foot. Soft as **** we are.
Correct the club need to grow a pair and call them out and also make their feelings clear to the spfl sfa

[Alfred E Newman]

As has been said already, the best way to shut them up is to give them a game not roll over without a whimper.
An away trip to Easter Road is just a jolly day out for that lot.

[Scouse Hibee]

I must be one of the few that heard the noise they were making but didn’t understand a word of any of the songs they sang apart from GSTK. I honestly couldn’t tell you what the songs were about so took no offence.

[oneone73]

I must be one of the few that heard the noise they were making but didn’t understand a word of any of the songs they sang apart from GSTK. I honestly couldn’t tell you what the songs were about so took no offence.

You didn’t hear **** the Pope?? Really?

[GreenCastle]

As has been said already, the best way to shut them up is to give them a game not roll over without a whimper.
An away trip to Easter Road is just a jolly day out for that lot.

This is just too simple and short term.

We haven’t beaten the Huns in about 18 league games in a row.

Only win was the Boyle semi final.

This is a bigger issue than 3 points as it happens at every stadium each week with the bigots.

Fans saying we need to sell out the South Stand to stop them coming ? No we don’t ? Ok it would be nice to make up for the lost revenue but we just adjust the budgets.

For this to change - rather than a thread after every time we play them..

Hibs fans ideally collectively need to call it out - the club has a contact us page on website - fill out the form and send it today. Does our fans rep still report this concerns ?

Fans should protest and not attend games against Rangers or Celtic - empty home stands will make a statement. Fans at the game seemed to have a crap experience yesterday anyway. Seems more common.

Fans don’t buy Season Tickets - explaining to the club one of the reasons is what kind of customer experience are they tolerating for adults let alone kids.

Hibs a club call it out in the media.

Ban all away bigots from the stadium for a season and it will be reviewed annually. This will piss them off the most and would actually encourage more home fans attending these games.

We go on about standards and improving our home ground / experience but it’s all nonsense unless we actually take action.

This isn’t an isolated incident either - our club isn’t squeaky clean but our hike should be our pride.

[DaveF]

Sell a season ticket that does not include games v Rantic - I'd certainly buy one of them.

They are a waste of time for a variety of reasons. I'd rather have been doing 100 other things than be at ER on a Sunday midday listening to those ****bags.

[Scotty Leither]

Too many of the old regime hanging about the club for my liking. Same old staid, prissy, “let’s move on” about the The Rangers attitude still pervades the club.

[DaveF]

I must be one of the few that heard the noise they were making but didn’t understand a word of any of the songs they sang apart from GSTK. I honestly couldn’t tell you what the songs were about so took no offence.

Your ears need looking at - urgently. Billy Boys, **** the pope and the ira were as clear as day.

[jakeshibs]

This is just too simple and short term.

We haven’t beaten the Huns in about 18 league games in a row.

Only win was the Boyle semi final.

This is a bigger issue than 3 points as it happens at every stadium each week with the bigots.

Fans saying we need to sell out the South Stand to stop them coming ? No we don’t ? Ok it would be nice to make up for the lost revenue but we just adjust the budgets.

For this to change - rather than a thread after every time we play them..

Hibs fans ideally collectively need to call it out - the club has a contact us page on website - fill out the form and send it today. Does our fans rep still report this concerns ?

Fans should protest and not attend games against Rangers or Celtic - empty home stands will make a statement. Fans at the game seemed to have a crap experience yesterday anyway. Seems more common.

Fans don’t buy Season Tickets - explaining to the club one of the reasons is what kind of customer experience are they tolerating for adults let alone kids.

Hibs a club call it out in the media.

Ban all away bigots from the stadium for a season and it will be reviewed annually. This will piss them off the most and would actually encourage more home fans attending these games.

We go on about standards and improving our home ground / experience but it’s all nonsense unless we actually take action.

This isn’t an isolated incident either - our club isn’t squeaky clean but our hike should be our pride.

You said we go on about standards yet don't address our own songs.
We constantly sing about Mercers death and Lizzies in a box which is totally unacceptable and needs to stop.

As a season ticket holder and hibs supporter I am there to watch my team, not interested in religion or politics so we cant throw stones if we are in a glass house, we need to also clean our own act as we address the ugly sisters.

[Aldo]

You said we go on about standards yet don't address our own songs.
We constantly sing about Mercers death and Lizzies in a box which is totally unacceptable and needs to stop.

As a season ticket holder and hibs supporter I am there to watch my team, not interested in religion or politics so we cant throw stones if we are in a glass house, we need to also clean our own act as we address the ugly sisters.

Whilst we have a minority of fans who sing unacceptable songs I’m not sure they fall under the same category as the bile spouted week in week out by that mob. It’s wrong

No one needs to complain as the evidence is as clear as day and is witnessed by a high ranking police officer who is match commander along with delegates from SFA, SPFL and others. Yet nothing is said it reported.

The silence is deafening from the top to the bottom in Scottish Society and as long as this continues it’s clear for all to see that this behaviour is socially acceptable.

The Police are selective at what they do and how they do it. By this I mean they will happily lift 2 drunken gadgies walking down the street on a Friday night signing than lift a group signing down ER on match day.

Hibernian Football Club and the board are as culpable with their silence imho but a stance needs to be made.

[BegbieHSC]

You said we go on about standards yet don't address our own songs.
We constantly sing about Mercers death and Lizzies in a box which is totally unacceptable and needs to stop.

As a season ticket holder and hibs supporter I am there to watch my team, not interested in religion or politics so we cant throw stones if we are in a glass house, we need to also clean our own act as we address the ugly sisters.

There’s a big difference between generally offensive football chants and hate speech - such as attacking protected characteristics - which Huns do.

Some of our songs are unpleasant, true.

But that does not prevent us from calling out the Rangers songs, which target protected characteristics - race and religion. Rangers fans bring shame on the entire Scottish footballing community.

How many clubs in Europe have a regular song book which targets individuals based on where they might be from and their religion? If a small section of fans in Italy, Germany, France, Denmark etc cough a racist, bigoted, or homophobic chant, it makes international news.

It’s nearly every week Rangers fans are at it, and frankly until we call it out publicly, we as a club are complicit!

[Brightside]

Sell a season ticket that does not include games v Rantic - I'd certainly buy one of them.

They are a waste of time for a variety of reasons. I'd rather have been doing 100 other things than be at ER on a Sunday midday listening to those ****bags.
The other option is add 20 on to our STs then only allow 900 Rangers fans into the ground.

[WhileTheChief..]

I must be one of the few that heard the noise they were making but didn’t understand a word of any of the songs they sang apart from GSTK. I honestly couldn’t tell you what the songs were about so took no offence.

I've said similar in the past. Unless you already know the words to go with the tunes, you can never make out what they say.

Apparently those of us who don't take offence are part of the problem and none of us should enjoy going to games against Rangers because of the songs.

Surprised you've not taken dogs abuse or been accused of being a Hun yet :greengrin

[Smartie]

The other option is add 20 on to our STs then only allow 900 Rangers fans into the ground.

There are plenty of options and solutions, just no desire from Hibs for change.

[Brightside]

There are plenty of options and solutions, just no desire from Hibs for change.

Yep and no desire to even mention it. All clubs should be ashamed.

[WhileTheChief..]

Sell a season ticket that does not include games v Rantic - I'd certainly buy one of them.

They are a waste of time for a variety of reasons. I'd rather have been doing 100 other things than be at ER on a Sunday midday listening to those ****bags.

Do we still do Cat B STs?

You'd miss the derbies at ER but it's probably your best option if they're still available.

[Pretty Boy]

You said we go on about standards yet don't address our own songs.
We constantly sing about Mercers death and Lizzies in a box which is totally unacceptable and needs to stop.

As a season ticket holder and hibs supporter I am there to watch my team, not interested in religion or politics so we cant throw stones if we are in a glass house, we need to also clean our own act as we address the ugly sisters.

Has the Mercer song been heard a lot recently? I can't say I've noticed albeit I have only been to a couple of away games in recent months and the naughtier songs tend to get more of an airing at those. I thought the death of Ron Gordon, the generally sympathetic reaction of the Hearts support and the behaviour of the Rangers support had drawn something of a line under that ditty. I suppose Tynecastle next week will be the litmus test for that belief though.

I didn't like the Lizzies in a box stuff, either yesterday or at the time of the Queens death. However I would argue yesterday when you are faced with a barrage of triumphalist, xenophobic and sectarian pish for 90+ minutes then there will always be a few who respond in kind. That's not condoning it but it's not really comparable to the ingrained hatred within the Rangers support that manifests itself in song. It's comparing apples with oranges, pun very much intended.

[GreenCastle]

You said we go on about standards yet don't address our own songs.
We constantly sing about Mercers death and Lizzies in a box which is totally unacceptable and needs to stop.

As a season ticket holder and hibs supporter I am there to watch my team, not interested in religion or politics so we cant throw stones if we are in a glass house, we need to also clean our own act as we address the ugly sisters.

Fine - all for that.

I don’t sing those songs but if the club want to make a stand they can still improve the home atmosphere and how they tolerate away fans to disrespect our home.

[Pretty Boy]

I've said similar in the past. Unless you already know the words to go with the tunes, you can never make out what they say.

Apparently those of us who don't take offence are part of the problem and none of us should enjoy going to games against Rangers because of the songs.

Surprised you've not taken dogs abuse or been accused of being a Hun yet :greengrin

Surely you don't have to take offence to recognise it's a problem and a deeply ingrained societal problem in Scotland at that?

I'm a fully fledged practicising Catholic, go to Mass at least once a week, my kids were baptised, volunteer a bit in my parish etc etc. I'm not offended by the songs, they are ****ing pathetic and the singing of them is the actions of emasculated saddos stripped of the only superiority they ever had as the world evolves into secularism and atheism and the reformed and RC churches become ever closer and more cordial with each other in Scotland.

That doesn't mean I can't recognise the problems turning a blind eye to the songs creates though. Everyone else knows it too even if they pretend otherwise. If I stood up yesterday and sang 'glory, glory what a terrible way to die, to die a black *******' then I'd never set foot in ER again and would most likely be standing inside a court room sometime soon and quite rightly so, there would be no excuse whatsoever. Replace black with fenian and 3500 sang it openly yesterday with no action either at the time or retrospectively. That's problematic for a whole host of reasons and simply saying 'well I'm not offended' doesn't really cut it.

[DaveF]

Do we still do Cat B STs?

You'd miss the derbies at ER but it's probably your best option if they're still available.

Not only can't you hear but you can't read 😉

I've no wish to miss derby matches, but I'll happily pass on rantic. ST bought anyway so I can give them a miss when the time comes.

[matty_f]

Hibs should absolutely come out and take action. What's the point in the "Show Racism the Red Card" stuff or any other anti-bigotry campaign if when it actually matters, the club's "zero tolerance" approach actually means "we'll tolerate everything"?

The poster that suggested cutting the allocation in half and publicly stating why makes a good suggestion.

On a wider level, if folk really wanted to do something about it then targeting Rangers' sponsors and highlighting the issue through them (I.e. bringing bad publicity their way) gives Rangers a financial incentive to tackled it.

[SHODAN]

It's simple.

Every time the word/phrases "fenian", "**** the Pope" etc etc are heard from the away end the allocation is cut by 25% for the following game. This continues until it's at the absolute minimum.

If they're on their best behaviour and don't sing any bigoted *****, they get 25% back next time. They're acting like children so treat them like them.

[GreenGray]

You said we go on about standards yet don't address our own songs.
We constantly sing about Mercers death and Lizzies in a box which is totally unacceptable and needs to stop.

As a season ticket holder and hibs supporter I am there to watch my team, not interested in religion or politics so we cant throw stones if we are in a glass house, we need to also clean our own act as we address the ugly sisters.

There is a substantial difference between chanting about the death of a near 100 year old wealthy queen who lived a life of privilege and luxury and the death of thousands of innocent people who were killed due to their religion.

[One Day Soon]

There is a substantial difference between chanting about the death of a near 100 year old wealthy queen who lived a life of privilege and luxury and the death of thousands of innocent people who were killed due to their religion.

That is a terrible, terrible take.

[eastterrace]

Message sent saying if hibs have zero tolerance with racism and bigotry then they should do something about it. Also I won’t be back to a hibs rangers game as had this for over 60 years and Sunday was the final straw.

[GreenGray]

That is a terrible, terrible take.

Explain? Are you really saying us chanting Lizzie in a box is as bad as the bile they were spewing out yesterday? It’s really not comparable.


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[One Day Soon]

Surely you don't have to take offence to recognise it's a problem and a deeply ingrained societal problem in Scotland at that?

I'm a fully fledged practicising Catholic, go to Mass at least once a week, my kids were baptised, volunteer a bit in my parish etc etc. I'm not offended by the songs, they are ****ing pathetic and the singing of them is the actions of emasculated saddos stripped of the only superiority they ever had as the world evolves into secularism and atheism and the reformed and RC churches become ever closer and more cordial with each other in Scotland.

That doesn't mean I can't recognise the problems turning a blind eye to the songs creates though. Everyone else knows it too even if they pretend otherwise. If I stood up yesterday and sang 'glory, glory what a terrible way to die, to die a black *******' then I'd never set foot in ER again and would most likely be standing inside a court room sometime soon and quite rightly so, there would be no excuse whatsoever. Replace black with fenian and 3500 sang it openly yesterday with no action either at the time or retrospectively. That's problematic for a whole host of reasons and simply saying 'well I'm not offended' doesn't really cut it.


I agree with your post PB but I think there's a lot more to it than this. The clubs responsible for allowing this revolting binary to be perpetuated are in my opinion guilty of doing so quite consciously for economic advantage. It is the only thing that gives them massive supporter pools well beyond their own geographical location and indeed internationally. No other Scottish clubs have that.

The supporters see it as a cultural and religious divide (to the extent that they would be even remotely able to understand and articulate the theological differences) but those allowing it to continue don't see it as religious bigotry at all, they see it as a revenue generation mechanism. It's literally an economic model or business strategy for them.

[One Day Soon]

Explain? Are you really saying us chanting Lizzie in a box is as bad as the bile they were spewing out yesterday? It’s really not comparable.


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I'm saying it's a daft comparison in the first place, not least because it implies that due to someone's age and wealth the 'lizzie's in a box' chant might somehow be more ok. I'm not interested in a spectrum of wrongness where our chanting, whatever it may be, is somehow less worse and more to be tolerated than theirs. It is perfectly possible for two things to be wrong at the same time.

[Dmas]

The other option is add 20 on to our STs then only allow 900 Rangers fans into the ground.

Could go the other way and take 20 off the ST, offer then 0 away tickets and reduce the ticket pricing to get more hibs fans in the ground to attempt to supplement the loss of income from a stand full of animals

[Alfred E Newman]

Explain? Are you really saying us chanting Lizzie in a box is as bad as the bile they were spewing out yesterday? It’s really not comparable.


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So them chanting about the death of our multi millionaire owner would be ok then?
Your argument is ridiculous.

[WhileTheChief..]

Not only can't you hear but you can't read 😉

I've no wish to miss derby matches, but I'll happily pass on rantic. ST bought anyway so I can give them a miss when the time comes.

Was only trying to help.

[GreenGray]

So them chanting about the death of our multi millionaire owner would be ok then?
Your argument is ridiculous.

Course not?

Without looking to get too political the Queen was a pretty polarising figure who sits on millions of pounds of wealth is a hugely unequal country, I was just surprised that a small minority of our fans chanting about her death was getting compared to what their whole stand was chanting yesterday.


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[One Day Soon]

Course not?

Without looking to get too political the Queen was a pretty polarising figure who sits on millions of pounds of wealth is a hugely unequal country, I was just surprised that a small minority of our fans chanting about her death was getting compared to what their whole stand was chanting yesterday.


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Prior to his death Ron Gordon was a pretty polarising figure who sat on millions of pounds of wealth in a hugely unequal country. This is not a strong line of argument.

[WhileTheChief..]

Surely you don't have to take offence to recognise it's a problem and a deeply ingrained societal problem in Scotland at that?

I'm a fully fledged practicising Catholic, go to Mass at least once a week, my kids were baptised, volunteer a bit in my parish etc etc. I'm not offended by the songs, they are ****ing pathetic and the singing of them is the actions of emasculated saddos stripped of the only superiority they ever had as the world evolves into secularism and atheism and the reformed and RC churches become ever closer and more cordial with each other in Scotland.

That doesn't mean I can't recognise the problems turning a blind eye to the songs creates though. Everyone else knows it too even if they pretend otherwise. If I stood up yesterday and sang 'glory, glory what a terrible way to die, to die a black *******' then I'd never set foot in ER again and would most likely be standing inside a court room sometime soon and quite rightly so, there would be no excuse whatsoever. Replace black with fenian and 3500 sang it openly yesterday with no action either at the time or retrospectively. That's problematic for a whole host of reasons and simply saying 'well I'm not offended' doesn't really cut it.

I agree. We have the same chat after game against them at ER though. Nothing changes.

We should still be allowed to enjoy ourselves at ER without being accused of being part of a wider problem in society.

On your last point, if 15,000 of us were singing black xxxxxxx, we wouldn’t all end up in court.

For whatever reason, in Scotland, sectarianism just isn’t seen as being as abhorrent as racism.

(I’m obviously not saying it’s ok at all in case anybody tries to deliberately misunderstand my post.)

[Hermit Crab]

The club banned a block 7 display but continue to allow 3800 Rangers fans in who continually cause trouble, sing the 'banned' songs and generally cause mayhem. Nobody wants them in the ground except the board because of the money they make off them. Says it all about how passive we are. A soft touch. If the club had balls they'd limit them to 800 tickets like what we get at Ibrox and they'd be in the upper tier out the way. But this club doesn't have the balls to do it.

Tried it once, Rangers shouted at them and its been a full allocation ever since.

[GreenGray]

Prior to his death Ron Gordon was a pretty polarising figure who sat on millions of pounds of wealth in a hugely unequal country. This is not a strong line of argument.

The Queen was the head of a historically racist family with obscene amounts of wealth, who have it for no other reason that being born into it.

If you can’t see the difference then fair play.


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[.Sean.]

Radio silence yet again from Hibs

God forbid we come out for once and called them out and defended ourselves eh.

[Chorley Hibee]

https://www.facebook.com/groups/252817874812761/permalink/6369978349763319/

The stadium manager and the club did have the balls to enter the East Stand and take down a Hibs flag commemorating a dead family member though.

**** off Hibs!

Club should hang its head in shame.

[Hermit Crab]

Club need to make a stand

Call out their racist singing

Ban them from our ground

Celtic and The Rangers have already banned each others fans

We don’t need their red white and blue orange pound

Grow a spine Hibs for once


The only way this will stop is if the offending clubs close part of their own stadiums. Then it starts to affect normal ST holders who will get punished for the behaviour of the neanderthals. UEFA could always step in in I suppose.

In France, part stadium closures are common due to crowd behaviour and it does seem to work.

[The Modfather]

Maybe the only way we can make the club take notice is to vote with our feet. Buy Cat B season tickets if they still exist. Don’t buy match tickets for home games against Rangers & Celtc, season ticket holders deliberately not attending etc etc. None of which should be required but clubs, ours in particular, only act when their income is threatened.

Are there still fan groups? If so, could a co-ordinated campaign be organised among all the non old firm premiership clubs (and across the leagues) to bring banners to games highlighting the silence to this problem across football? Although it probably wasn’t co-ordinated I’m thinking along the lines of how us fans made our feelings know when league reforms were being proposed (was it a 10 team league proposition at the time?)

[SHODAN]

If there is an organised fan boycott of home games v Rangers until something is done about the sectarian singing then I'm all for it.

[Chorley Hibee]

https://www.facebook.com/groups/2528...9978349763319/

The stadium manager and the club did have the balls to enter the East Stand and take down a Hibs flag commemorating a dead family member though.

**** off Hibs!

Club should hang its head in shame.

[Scouse Hibee]

Your ears need looking at - urgently. Billy Boys, **** the pope and the ira were as clear as day.

Eh, what?

[I'm Spartacus]

“Glory, glory, what a terrible way to die, to die a f****n b*****d”.

I mean…what can you say? How much clearer does it need to be?

Sing that anywhere in Scotland and you are, rightly, arrested.
Sing that with a few thousand others and it's totally cool.

Scotland are totally scared to touch them.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Surely you don't have to take offence to recognise it's a problem and a deeply ingrained societal problem in Scotland at that?

I'm a fully fledged practicising Catholic, go to Mass at least once a week, my kids were baptised, volunteer a bit in my parish etc etc. I'm not offended by the songs, they are ****ing pathetic and the singing of them is the actions of emasculated saddos stripped of the only superiority they ever had as the world evolves into secularism and atheism and the reformed and RC churches become ever closer and more cordial with each other in Scotland.

That doesn't mean I can't recognise the problems turning a blind eye to the songs creates though. Everyone else knows it too even if they pretend otherwise. If I stood up yesterday and sang 'glory, glory what a terrible way to die, to die a black *******' then I'd never set foot in ER again and would most likely be standing inside a court room sometime soon and quite rightly so, there would be no excuse whatsoever. Replace black with fenian and 3500 sang it openly yesterday with no action either at the time or retrospectively. That's problematic for a whole host of reasons and simply saying 'well I'm not offended' doesn't really cut it.

Absolutely bang on mate.

What sort of a reason is it to not be offended to say 'that song / chant isn't aimed at me so I'm not bothered'? I'm not gay, but if the Hibs support started a homophobic chant against an openly gay player I would be horrified. I'm not black, but I wouldn't have a 'Gollywog' in the house because they are offensive to black people.

I would consider myself somewhat religious with a small 'r' ... I'm not Catholic, or Irish, but does that really mean I should not be bothered by 4,000 people visiting my club's football stadium and belting out 90 minutes of anti Catholic anti Irish hateful bile that for sure will be offensive to many people in the stadium? Of course it doesn't and so far as I'm concerned anybody taking the 'it's not aimed at me, so I'm not bothered' attitude would do well to remember the well known saying.

'The only thing necessary for evil to triumph in the world is that good men do nothing'

[NAE NOOKIE]

Message sent saying if hibs have zero tolerance with racism and bigotry then they should do something about it. Also I won’t be back to a hibs rangers game as had this for over 60 years and Sunday was the final straw.

I've also messaged the club in the same vein, suggesting that if what happened on Sunday is indeed to be tolerated because of the money these knuckle draggers put into the club perhaps we should double down and for an extra hundred quid issue a new season ticket level that allows you to scream racist, homophobic and sectarian abuse at opposition players without fear of consequences ... I'm sure our support has a few who would jump at it and the club will make a few bob.

I mean, if a few Kaflics or woke gammons get offended, so what .... it's all about the money right?

[Aldo]

All this ‘Show Racism the Red Card’ is total hypocrisy by the club. Their continued silence tells me this and yesterday was once again proof of this.

You either support it or you don’t and as far as I’m concerned they don’t. Words are cheap!

I don’t care what other clubs say or do we need to step up and make it clear this type of behaviour is unacceptable and won’t be tolerated inside ER.

It’s in plain sight yet the SFA, SPFL and Police continue to do or say nothing.

I wonder how the club will respond to those who have written to them?

[mcohibs]

What’s the best email address to contact the club regarding this issue please?

[NAE NOOKIE]

beat the bassas that will defo shut the morons up!

Limp displays like today will never do the trick.

Totally agree mate. But lets be honest here, glorious though shutting them up by beating them is, our success rate in that area is hardly going to make a dent in this issue is it?

This has gone way way beyond what happens on the pitch .... after years of practically every club in Scotland muttering under their breath about this issue and the SFA totally ignoring it, far from it going away or even dying down what we saw on Sunday was sectarianism and bigotry ramped up to a level not seen at Easter Road in the last 30 years or more and we are talking about one hell of a high bar here.

It's going to take a club to step up and take practical and meaningful action. Easter Road is clearly their favourite port of call with Celtic Park being out of bounds. Instead of simply being practice for the 'big day' we have become Celtic's proxy where there's clearly a huge enthusiasm for tickets amongst the FTP Billy boys brigade ... I wouldn't be surprised if they are raffle prizes doon the lodge, or awarded to flute player of the year at the annual prize giving in the Larkhall Loyal flute band, such is the demand.

No ... somebody has to step up and in these circumstances if it isn't this club then who the hell is going to do it? Livvi, St Johnstone, Kilmarnock ... I don't bloody think so.

[green day]

We shouldnt really need to be emailing the club about this -



It has been flagged up many times before
There are club employees who are members of this site


Hibs know about it - they just dont want to do anything about it because it will cost the club money.

I used to think the same (what about the budget etc), but it was so bad yesterday that I now think we should give them (and Celtic) the same %age of the stadium as they give us, which would be about 400 tickets.

[green day]

What’s the best email address to contact the club regarding this issue please?

[email protected]

Ben has certainly responded to me in the past on other issues.

[Chorley Hibee]

All this ‘Show Racism the Red Card’ is total hypocrisy by the club. Their continued silence tells me this and yesterday was once again proof of this.

You either support it or you don’t and as far as I’m concerned they don’t. Words are cheap!

I don’t care what other clubs say or do we need to step up and make it clear this type of behaviour is unacceptable and won’t be tolerated inside ER.

It’s in plain sight yet the SFA, SPFL and Police continue to do or say nothing.

I wonder how the club will respond to those who have written to them?

The club (Stadium Manager) are too busy removing a Hibs flag from the East Stand (commemorating a deceased family member) to notice any flags, pyro, overcrowding, ticketless fans and sectarianism from the South stand.

Also too busy refusing any displays from our own support or clamping down on overtly celebrating our cup win over the Huns.

I'm embarrassed that this spineless lot have anything to do with Hibs.

[eastterrace]

We shouldnt really need to be emailing the club about this -



It has been flagged up many times before
There are club employees who are members of this site


Hibs know about it - they just dont want to do anything about it because it will cost the club money.

I used to think the same (what about the budget etc), but it was so bad yesterday that I now think we should give them (and Celtic) the same %age of the stadium as they give us, which would be about 400 tickets.im with you on this one I also thought we can put up with the bile as the extra cash will help us , but after yesterday and the level of sectarianism bile was way off the scale we need to ban them lot or cut the allocation in the future. Well hibs do have a zero tolerance against racism and bigotry Which they remind us week in and week out at Easter road.

[Hibernian Verse]

The club (Stadium Manager) are too busy removing a Hibs flag from the East Stand (commemorating a deceased family member) to notice any flags, pyro, overcrowding, ticketless fans and sectarianism from the South stand.

Also too busy refusing any displays from our own support or clamping down on overtly celebrating our cup win over the Huns.

I'm embarrassed that this spineless lot have anything to do with Hibs.

I've missed this. What was it that was deemed offensive enough to remove?

[Chorley Hibee]

I've missed this. What was it that was deemed offensive enough to remove?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/252817874812761/permalink/6369978349763319/

[Hibernian Verse]

https://www.facebook.com/groups/252817874812761/permalink/6369978349763319/

Not a member so can't see

[Chorley Hibee]

Copied and pasted from the group.

"Those that no me will appreciate how much me and the kids love to display my brothers flag home and away. The flag is displayed over the disabled section same place every week. The supporters in the compound bit even help tie it down. It has missed about 2 games this season due to me not being able to attend. 2 home games to go I was asked to remove it by the stand manager and a few stewards who where embarrassed to say the least. This came from the stadium safety manager who I will not name but will be hearing from me. No explanation, just for it to be moved. Pretty much sums up the club if im honest."

[Pretty Boy]

Copied and pasted from the group.

"Those that no me will appreciate how much me and the kids love to display my brothers flag home and away. The flag is displayed over the disabled section same place every week. The supporters in the compound bit even help tie it down. It has missed about 2 games this season due to me not being able to attend. 2 home games to go I was asked to remove it by the stand manager and a few stewards who where embarrassed to say the least. This came from the stadium safety manager who I will not name but will be hearing from me. No explanation, just for it to be moved. Pretty much sums up the club if im honest."

Im not in the group so can't see the post but is it the flag at the FF end of the East?

It's been a fixture for ages now so I wonder why somebody has decided it's worthy of removal now. Very odd and deserving of an explanation.

[Itsnoteasy]

Copied and pasted from the group.

"Those that no me will appreciate how much me and the kids love to display my brothers flag home and away. The flag is displayed over the disabled section same place every week. The supporters in the compound bit even help tie it down. It has missed about 2 games this season due to me not being able to attend. 2 home games to go I was asked to remove it by the stand manager and a few stewards who where embarrassed to say the least. This came from the stadium safety manager who I will not name but will be hearing from me. No explanation, just for it to be moved. Pretty much sums up the club if im honest."

What about when Hertz & Old Firm come to ER. There flags banners always draped over advertising boards. I wouldn't be happy if my hard earned cash paid for advertising

[Chorley Hibee]

Im not in the group so can't see the post but is it the flag at the FF end of the East?

It's been a fixture for ages now so I wonder why somebody has decided it's worthy of removal now. Very odd and deserving of an explanation.

That's right, it's there every week.

[Paulie Walnuts]

After yesterday are we still going to have posters telling us that giving them less tickets is a terrible way to run a business etc?

Hibs lack of spine with regards to this is shameful. This has been the worst season for their pish that I can remember and we’ve got a board who are terrified to do anything about it.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Im not in the group so can't see the post but is it the flag at the FF end of the East?

It's been a fixture for ages now so I wonder why somebody has decided it's worthy of removal now. Very odd and deserving of an explanation.

Thousands of Hibs fans still outside the stadium as the game kicks off due to what seems over the top stewarding.

Ultras groups denied a tifo display ... 3 of them by all accounts.

A flag that's been there all season removed for no apparent reason.

You can chuck in the continental drift like speed of service at the food kiosks .... if there's more than 4 in the queue and it's less than 10 minutes to kick off you have no chance of being in your seat to see it happen.

With it also being an absolute certainty that the disgrace taking place in the away stand for 90 minutes will probably pass without comment, never mind any action being taken by the club one thing is becoming clear:

Somebody at this club needs to get a bloody grip before next season starts .... because certainly on match days it seems on and off the pitch there is little being done to connect with fans unless money is involved.

[cabbageandribs1875]

What about when Hertz & Old Firm come to ER. There flags banners always draped over advertising boards. I wouldn't be happy if my hard earned cash paid for advertising


absolutely, but there's no advertising whatsoever where the flag in question hangs, it's totally harmless, no swearing, no rudeness and doesn't interfere with any other fans, only thing i can think off are flags supposed to have a fire/safety(something like that) certificate nowadays :dunno:

but surely that would have been explained by the stewards therefore i'm stumped why

[Paulie Walnuts]

absolutely, but there's no advertising whatsoever where the flag in question hangs, it's totally harmless, no swearing, no rudeness and doesn't interfere with any other fans, only thing i can think off are flags supposed to have a fire/safety(something like that) certificate nowadays :dunno:

but surely that would have been explained by the stewards therefore i'm stumped why

In the away end you can’t see any of the advertising boards when we play the OF.

[gbhibby]

https://twitter.com/fast_sin/status/1660413465431867396?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcam p%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Club should be explaining the reason behind this. It is our stadium.

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[The Harp Awakes]

Surely you don't have to take offence to recognise it's a problem and a deeply ingrained societal problem in Scotland at that?

I'm a fully fledged practicising Catholic, go to Mass at least once a week, my kids were baptised, volunteer a bit in my parish etc etc. I'm not offended by the songs, they are ****ing pathetic and the singing of them is the actions of emasculated saddos stripped of the only superiority they ever had as the world evolves into secularism and atheism and the reformed and RC churches become ever closer and more cordial with each other in Scotland.

That doesn't mean I can't recognise the problems turning a blind eye to the songs creates though. Everyone else knows it too even if they pretend otherwise. If I stood up yesterday and sang 'glory, glory what a terrible way to die, to die a black *******' then I'd never set foot in ER again and would most likely be standing inside a court room sometime soon and quite rightly so, there would be no excuse whatsoever. Replace black with fenian and 3500 sang it openly yesterday with no action either at the time or retrospectively. That's problematic for a whole host of reasons and simply saying 'well I'm not offended' doesn't really cut it.

I was going to respond to the thread, but there's nothing I could add to what you've said here. Brilliant post and sums things up perfectly.

[Itsnoteasy]

absolutely, but there's no advertising whatsoever where the flag in question hangs, it's totally harmless, no swearing, no rudeness and doesn't interfere with any other fans, only thing i can think off are flags supposed to have a fire/safety(something like that) certificate nowadays :dunno:

but surely that would have been explained by the stewards therefore i'm stumped why

Your flag isn't in question.

[Hibernian Verse]

https://twitter.com/fast_sin/status/1660413465431867396?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcam p%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Club should be explaining the reason behind this. It is our stadium.

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If it's a contractual thing it'll have nothing to do with Hibs and will be an SPFL thing.

[JimBHibees]

That's right, it's there every week.

Was it not still there yesterday? Thought I saw it near the end of the game when trying to avoid what was going on in pitch.

[Aldo]

If it's a contractual thing it'll have nothing to do with Hibs and will be an SPFL thing.


I maybe wrong but I think the poster is asking why the Cinch hoarding is so far away from players?

[JimBHibees]

I maybe wrong but I think the poster is asking why the Cinch hoarding is so far away from players?

No doubt to appease the shameless ones but still have it on the pitch and in picture line

[Aldo]

No doubt to appease the shameless ones but still have it on the pitch and in picture line

Pandering to the ‘we are always the victims’ Sevco

[JimBHibees]

Pandering to the ‘we are always the victims’ Sevco

Offended by everything ashamed of nothing

[gbhibby]

I maybe wrong but I think the poster is asking why the Cinch hoarding is so far away from players?
Yes I was, They have probably taken out an injunction against the spfl regarding cinch and their court case.

[Hibernian Verse]

Yes I was, They have probably taken out an injunction against the spfl regarding cinch and their court case.

Yes that's what I meant. It'll be an arrangement between Rangers and the SPFL, not Hibs regardless of whose stadium it is.

[Aldo]

Offended by everything ashamed of nothing


Offended by everything ashamed of nothing

Exactly.

The more I read today the more it becomes apparent that the club have went out their way so as not to upset or hinder Sevco fans but treat the home fans with utter disdain.

[Ringothedog]

Exactly.

The more I read today the more it becomes apparent that the club have went out their way so as not to upset or hinder Sevco fans but treat the home fans with utter disdain.

That comes from the top of the club , our CEO is not a leader and is soft as a babies first ****. If you lead like that then it filters down hence the poor and pathetic performances against the Glasgow clubs

[Libby Hibby]

Exactly.

The more I read today the more it becomes apparent that the club have went out their way so as not to upset or hinder Sevco fans but treat the home fans with utter disdain.

The queues to get in to the East yesterday were nothing short of barbaric and could’ve caused an incident.

To suddenly stop searching and allow everyone to pile forward to get in as kick off time was approaching is pointless. Why bother?

The club really need to come out and address a lot of issues that were ‘out of the norm’ yesterday.

But they won’t…

[Hibernian Verse]

What was on the proposed tifos?

Hard to say whether they were right or wrong without knowing this?

[gbhibby]

Yes that's what I meant. It'll be an arrangement between Rangers and the SPFL, not Hibs regardless of whose stadium it is.
Rylan will no be happy about this.😆

[Aldo]

That comes from the top of the club , our CEO is not a leader and is soft as a babies first ****. If you lead like that then it filters down hence the poor and pathetic performances against the Glasgow clubs

Exactly.



The queues to get in to the East yesterday were nothing short of barbaric and could’ve caused an incident.

To suddenly stop searching and allow everyone to pile forward to get in as kick off time was approaching is pointless. Why bother?

The club really need to come out and address a lot of issues that were ‘out of the norm’ yesterday.

But they won’t…

Of course they won’t.

You can guarantee the extensive searches of the home fans were as a result of discussions held prior to the event taking place and the Sevco Safety Team etc wanting confirmation of them being in place to ensure the safety of their players.

I wonder if the away fans were treated similarly?

[hibee_girl]

The queues to get in to the East yesterday were nothing short of barbaric and could’ve caused an incident.

To suddenly stop searching and allow everyone to pile forward to get in as kick off time was approaching is pointless. Why bother?

The club really need to come out and address a lot of issues that were ‘out of the norm’ yesterday.

But they won’t…

It was crazy. Search everyone but then let everyone pile in 5 minutes before kick off no bother 🤷🏻*♀️

[NAE NOOKIE]

If it's a contractual thing it'll have nothing to do with Hibs and will be an SPFL thing.

Probably. But the question in the tweet was "Do Rangers really exert that much influence in Scottish football?" ...... and the answer is 'yes' ... yes they do.

This wasn't even a case of Rangers 2012 being owned by Parks Motor Group, if it was you could kind of get why the Cinch deal was an issue.
This is a case of one director, who isn't even on the board of the club any more, owning a car company who didn't want a competitor to sponsor the league and have it's name shown at Ibrox .. that is a long way from the sponsorship deal having any direct effect on Rangers 2012 football club or it's ability to trade, even if Parks are a club sponsor.

The SPFL were sponsored by Ladbrokes at the same time as Hibs were sponsored by Marathon Bet .... you didn't hear us or them bitching about it and if we had done rest assured any protest would have fell on deaf ears and we would have been told in no uncertain terms by the SFA / SPFL to get into line ... not go to Ibrox and insist that Rangers 2012 ensure the league sponor's name is pushed out of sight.

[SteveHFC]

It was crazy. Search everyone but then let everyone pile in 5 minutes before kick off no bother 🤷🏻*♀️

It was absolutely pointless. Wonder if the same will happen on Wednesday.

[neil7908]

Looking at the coverage of the recent racist incidents in Spain regarding Vinicius Junior, the difference is even more striking against our total lack of action for sectarianism.

Both are wider societal issues but have come to a head repeatedly in football grounds. The Vinicius incidents now seem to be generating some genuine focus for change, with Real Madrid, Ancelloti and now The head of Spain’s national football federation all speaking out.

Now, maybe things won't change (this is a long line of incidents) but the issue is being highlighted and push back is happening.

Whereas in Scotland? No club, football official or politician is interested in even suggesting their is a problem.

It's just so ****ing depressing.

[Scotty Leither]

That comes from the top of the club , our CEO is not a leader and is soft as a babies first ****. If you lead like that then it filters down hence the poor and pathetic performances against the Glasgow clubs

He likes to blether and drop bits of gossip in certain ears when he’s gadding about hospitality.

He is tin eared and as quiet as a mouse when you ask him to address the entitled hoards from Govan.

[JimBHibees]

Looking at the coverage of the recent racist incidents in Spain regarding Vinicius Junior, the difference is even more striking against our total lack of action for sectarianism.

Both are wider societal issues but have come to a head repeatedly in football grounds. The Vinicius incidents now seem to be generating some genuine focus for change, with Real Madrid, Ancelloti and now The head of Spain’s national football federation all speaking out.

Now, maybe things won't change (this is a long line of incidents) but the issue is being highlighted and push back is happening.

Whereas in Scotland? No club, football official or politician is interested in even suggesting their is a problem.

It's just so ****ing depressing.

Agree entirely

[green day]

He likes to blether and drop bits of gossip in certain ears when he’s gadding about hospitality.

He is tin eared and as quiet as a mouse when you ask him to address the entitled hoards from Govan.

What exactly did he say when you asked him?

Genuine question.

[Chorley Hibee]

Looking at the coverage of the recent racist incidents in Spain regarding Vinicius Junior, the difference is even more striking against our total lack of action for sectarianism.

Both are wider societal issues but have come to a head repeatedly in football grounds. The Vinicius incidents now seem to be generating some genuine focus for change, with Real Madrid, Ancelloti and now The head of Spain’s national football federation all speaking out.

Now, maybe things won't change (this is a long line of incidents) but the issue is being highlighted and push back is happening.

Whereas in Scotland? No club, football official or politician is interested in even suggesting their is a problem.

It's just so ****ing depressing.

BBC six o'clock news currently running a report on the incidents in Spain as we speak.

Perhaps the BBC might highlight similar behaviour on a weekly basis in Scotland...

I'll not hold my breath.

[h1bs4life]

Looking at the coverage of the recent racist incidents in Spain regarding Vinicius Junior, the difference is even more striking against our total lack of action for sectarianism.

Both are wider societal issues but have come to a head repeatedly in football grounds. The Vinicius incidents now seem to be generating some genuine focus for change, with Real Madrid, Ancelloti and now The head of Spain’s national football federation all speaking out.

Now, maybe things won't change (this is a long line of incidents) but the issue is being highlighted and push back is happening.

Whereas in Scotland? No club, football official or politician is interested in even suggesting their is a problem.

It's just so ****ing depressing.

Spot on , I am in my 60’s now and am used the bile that comes from both sides of the Old Firm.
2023 and no sign of any change.
It’s ingrained in Scottish Society it is not just no club , football official or politician that is interested . Games are televised yet there is no comment from commentators, pundits etc.
Sky has quite rightly gave a lot of time today to the racism in Spain and other incidents but silence again after yesterday at Easter Road.
FIFA in the past have closed a part of Ibrox due to sectarian singing even they do not want involved.

[Scotty Leither]

BBC six o'clock news currently running a report on the incidents in Spain as we speak.

Perhaps the BBC might highlight similar behaviour on a weekly basis in Scotland...

I'll not hold my breath.

Yes, just watched that myself. Take out the word “racism” from the boy’s statement and replace it with “sectarianism” and you have a straight footprint of what happens here.

Not a hope of BBC Shortbread ever highlighting this. It’s been discussed once I think by those profoundly cerebral contributors “Doddsy” and Derek Ferguson, and it was only a “minority” according to them.

[Scotty Leither]

What exactly did he say when you asked him?

Genuine question.

It was a private conversation, but in the interests of clarity and responding in kind to your question, when I challenged him about potentially banning this mob from Easter Road, the answer was along the lines of: “We’re not going to cut our nose off to spite our face”.

In summary, Hibs need their money.

[Rumble de Thump]

Sectarianism is such a problem in Scottish football because there are plenty of people in positions to do something about it who, one way or another, benefit financially from it. And there are others that are worried they'll be out of pocket if they try to do something about it or even call it out. Unfortunately, people will often only do the right thing when they think they will lose money. Fans will need to do something in a united manner to put pressure on the greedy eejits in charge of the Scottish game who are happy to profit from bigotry.

[Aldo]

Yes, just watched that myself. Take out the word “racism” from the boy’s statement and replace it with “sectarianism” and you have a straight footprint of what happens here.

Not a hope of BBC Shortbread ever highlighting this. It’s been discussed once I think by those profoundly cerebral contributors “Doddsy” and Derek Ferguson, and it was only a “minority” according to them.

There is no need to change it, it is racism.

[Chorley Hibee]

It was a private conversation, but in the interests of clarity and responding in kind to your question, when I challenged him about potentially banning this mob from Easter Road, the answer was along the lines of: “We’re not going to cut our nose off to spite our face”.

In summary, Hibs need their money.

Makes a mockery of their 'zero tolerance' policy.

Cowards and frauds the lot of them.

[green day]

It was a private conversation, but in the interests of clarity and responding in kind to your question, when I challenged him about potentially banning this mob from Easter Road, the answer was along the lines of: “We’re not going to cut our nose off to spite our face”.

In summary, Hibs need their money.

Thanks, thats helpful.

FWIW, I dont think BK has any time for the SFA, SPFL or Rangers and Celtic - but this is putting money before our own fans - and that has to stop.


Makes a mockery of their 'zero tolerance' policy.

Cowards and frauds the lot of them.

It feels like its only zero tolerance if its Hibs fans, because that entire end were indulging in "behaviour that can lead to a football banning order" several times yesterday.

[Stokesy's on fire]

Nothing from the club on this still...

[Hibernian Verse]

It feels like its only zero tolerance if its Hibs fans, because that entire end were indulging in "behaviour that can lead to a football banning order" several times yesterday.

Hibs don’t hand out banning orders.

The amount of bashing of Hibs over this is crazy. All day constant posts about it and I don’t remember reading one about how Rangers can and should be dealing with it properly.

If 100% of our fans started behaving Hibs could then make a statement about offensive singing. As soon as they did that, the next time a group of Hibs fans are singing about not being mastered by orange *******s we then have to make a statement about that which would vilify our own fans. It’s just not going to happen.

And before someone says they haven’t heard that since 1960 it happens at almost every away game.

[Ringothedog]

Thanks, thats helpful.

FWIW, I dont think BK has any time for the SFA, SPFL or Rangers and Celtic - but this is putting money before our own fans - and that has to stop.



It feels like its only zero tolerance if its Hibs fans, because that entire end were indulging in "behaviour that can lead to a football banning order" several times yesterday.
Reply from our CEO
Brian

Thanks for your email and for taking the time to write to me.

I can excuse the tone and points you make about me personally because I too am angry at the behaviour of Rangers fans but if you do want to talk this through then we can have a conversation and I am happy to call you if you let me know your contact details.

All clubs are in the same position when Rangers play and are informed that anything relating to Unacceptable Singing is reported by the SPFL Delegate attending the match to the SPFL and it is for them to determine if any sanctions are applicable against that Club.

It will never be acceptable and it has nothing to do with balls as you put it but I am happy to talk through with you.

Let me know
Ben

[Hibernian Verse]

Reply from our CEO
Brian

Thanks for your email and for taking the time to write to me.

I can excuse the tone and points you make about me personally because I too am angry at the behaviour of Rangers fans but if you do want to talk this through then we can have a conversation and I am happy to call you if you let me know your contact details.

All clubs are in the same position when Rangers play and are informed that anything relating to Unacceptable Singing is reported by the SPFL Delegate attending the match to the SPFL and it is for them to determine if any sanctions are applicable against that Club.

It will never be acceptable and it has nothing to do with balls as you put it but I am happy to talk through with you.

Let me know
Ben

I’d love to see your original email if he felt the need to excuse what you’d said about him.

[madhatter]

Reply from our CEO
Brian

Thanks for your email and for taking the time to write to me.

I can excuse the tone and points you make about me personally because I too am angry at the behaviour of Rangers fans but if you do want to talk this through then we can have a conversation and I am happy to call you if you let me know your contact details.

All clubs are in the same position when Rangers play and are informed that anything relating to Unacceptable Singing is reported by the SPFL Delegate attending the match to the SPFL and it is for them to determine if any sanctions are applicable against that Club.

It will never be acceptable and it has nothing to do with balls as you put it but I am happy to talk through with you.

Let me know
Ben


If club aren't asking to see the SPFL delegates report and seeking clarification on this matter then they are complicit. Simple as really.

Hibs will palm it off, and the shadowy organisations of the SPFL and SFA will do what they do best. Bend over for the OF.

[Chorley Hibee]

Reply from our CEO
Brian

Thanks for your email and for taking the time to write to me.

I can excuse the tone and points you make about me personally because I too am angry at the behaviour of Rangers fans but if you do want to talk this through then we can have a conversation and I am happy to call you if you let me know your contact details.

All clubs are in the same position when Rangers play and are informed that anything relating to Unacceptable Singing is reported by the SPFL Delegate attending the match to the SPFL and it is for them to determine if any sanctions are applicable against that Club.

It will never be acceptable and it has nothing to do with balls as you put it but I am happy to talk through with you.

Let me know
Ben

Trying to hide behind the SPFL.

Hibs can stop it tonight if they want, by denying them any further tickets, and releasing a statement as to why we've taken the action we have.

That in turn would create a huge talking point, and ask questions of what the SPFL, police etc are doing to address this matter.

I'll refer to our supposed 'Zero Tolerance' policy on the matter once again, or is this only enforced against individual Hibs fans?

Seems our ethics are dependent upon the impact upon our balance sheet.

[Mick O'Rourke]

It was a private conversation, but in the interests of clarity and responding in kind to your question, when I challenged him about potentially banning this mob from Easter Road, the answer was along the lines of: “We’re not going to cut our nose off to spite our face”.

In summary, Hibs need their money.
We did not need their money when we were in different divisions. We survived.

Before we are due our first home game against them next season.
Deny them an allocation,call a press conference,and explain the reasons why .
It should shame the authorities, police and our politicians into some action.
It might even get us a benny factor !
But seriously, it cannot sustain at the Holy Ground.
Not just the singing of racist songs/chants,which are ignored by cops who should be arresting lawbreakers,but the whole health and safety aspect in that stand when they are here.
Celtic and herts too regards the safety issues.

[madhatter]

Clubs and football orgnisation here are governed by mob rule. Goes as far as the police.

Want to avoid death threats? The car and house getting vandalised?

Let us do what we want.

This is bound to get very ugly before the current powers that be stop it. Hope someone stands up and says something before then.

[JohnM1875]

We have a hospitality suite called 'Pioneers' and go on about being trend setters. Why aren't we pioneers when it comes to tackling the **** every stadium has to sit through when the OF visit? Really starting to piss me off the acceptance of it.

Got a pretty similar response from my email to BK as well. Saying the SFA/SPFL are basically useless and don't want to listen, which I actually believe.

Saying we can't cut their allocation as we don't yet have the fan demand to sell home tickets in the south. Don't want to lose money and we need to keep the club sustainable.

[Chorley Hibee]

We have a hospitality suite called 'Pioneers' and go on about being trend setters. Why aren't we pioneers when it comes to tackling the **** every stadium has to sit through when the OF visit? Really starting to piss me off the acceptance of it.

Got a pretty similar response from my email to BK as well. Saying the SFA/SPFL are basically useless and don't want to listen, which I actually believe.

Saying we can't cut their allocation as we don't yet have the fan demand to sell home tickets in the south. Don't want to lose money and we need to keep the club sustainable.

So he's admitting the club are liars when it comes to their supposed zero tolerance policy.

As I said, they're cowards.

[Pretty Boy]

We have a hospitality suite called 'Pioneers' and go on about being trend setters. Why aren't we pioneers when it comes to tackling the **** every stadium has to sit through when the OF visit? Really starting to piss me off the acceptance of it.

Got a pretty similar response from my email to BK as well. Saying the SFA/SPFL are basically useless and don't want to listen, which I actually believe.

Saying we can't cut their allocation as we don't yet have the fan demand to sell home tickets in the south. Don't want to lose money and we need to keep the club sustainable.

His answer is basically what we all already know to be true.

I believe people at the club don't like it but the balance sheet comes before morals, always has. Let's be totally honest most fans deep down feel the same way even if they feel a bit dirty saying it. If Hibs said we had been outbid on a player because we lost out on £100K or whatever from quartering Rangers allocation then no one would be happy. Put it to a vote of the fans and reinstating the full allocation would probably win.

It's totally ***** that's the case. It's the club basically wilfully ignoring huge chunks of our own conduct policy and it's allowing bullies to win but that's where we are.

[madhatter]

We have a hospitality suite called 'Pioneers' and go on about being trend setters. Why aren't we pioneers when it comes to tackling the **** every stadium has to sit through when the OF visit? Really starting to piss me off the acceptance of it.

Got a pretty similar response from my email to BK as well. Saying the SFA/SPFL are basically useless and don't want to listen, which I actually believe.

Saying we can't cut their allocation as we don't yet have the fan demand to sell home tickets in the south. Don't want to lose money and we need to keep the club sustainable.

Keep the club sustainable by driving away Hibs fans, certainly from attending games against OF at least. If I was a dad with young kids I'd keep them well away from it.

Family club? Facade.

Get the feeling the 10 clubs in the league are only their to sustain a league for the OF to compete in. If they played each other every week people would get bored. How do they remedy that? Have a league that's sustained by them so clubs, authorities, police, everyone bows to their will.

St Johnstone and Livi prove this with the stands they give them. Hibs stance on this is virtually the same. If our ST numbers dwindled they wouldn't look to fix the reason why, they'd give them an extra stand...

All to sustain a club so Rangers and Celtic have another team to play...

[Dmas]

The financial aspect has to come into play, as soon as we start faltering on the field we all start screaming for the manager to get turfed and players paid off and down the road and they’ll quite rightly point to the budget being cut, 4 games against the OF be close to £500,000 it’s not buttons that then allows that lot and their media pals to rub it in our faces it’s cause of them.

[CropleyWasGod]

We have a hospitality suite called 'Pioneers' and go on about being trend setters. Why aren't we pioneers when it comes to tackling the **** every stadium has to sit through when the OF visit? Really starting to piss me off the acceptance of it.

Got a pretty similar response from my email to BK as well. Saying the SFA/SPFL are basically useless and don't want to listen, which I actually believe.

Saying we can't cut their allocation as we don't yet have the fan demand to sell home tickets in the south. Don't want to lose money and we need to keep the club sustainable.

Not sure what they can do. Without strict liability, all they can do is write a strongly-worded letter. :cb

[SteveHFC]

The financial aspect has to come into play, as soon as we start faltering on the field we all start screaming for the manager to get turfed and players paid off and down the road and they’ll quite rightly point to the budget being cut, 4 games against the OF be close to £500,000 it’s not buttons that then allows that lot and their media pals to rub it in our faces it’s cause of them.

Would happily pay extra for my season ticket or whatever if it meant cutting their allocation due to their behaviour yesterday.

[madhatter]

The financial aspect has to come into play, as soon as we start faltering on the field we all start screaming for the manager to get turfed and players paid off and down the road and they’ll quite rightly point to the budget being cut, 4 games against the OF be close to £500,000 it’s not buttons that then allows that lot and their media pals to rub it in our faces it’s cause of them.

Would finance be allowed to get in the way if we were talking about racism?

[Chorley Hibee]

His answer is basically what we all already know to be true.

I believe people at the club don't like it but the balance sheet comes before morals, always has. Let's be totally honest most fans deep down feel the same way even if they feel a bit dirty saying it. If Hibs said we had been outbid on a player because we lost out on £100K or whatever from quartering Rangers allocation then no one would be happy. Put it to a vote of the fans and reinstating the full allocation would probably win.

It's totally ***** that's the case. It's the club basically wilfully ignoring huge chunks of our own conduct policy and it's allowing bullies to win but that's where we are.

The finance argument isn't a simple one though.

How much money do we lose through our own support not attending?

All because we don't want to listen to this *****, and experience their neanderthal behaviour.

How much money does it cost us in extra police etc, stewarding their hordes, and how much does it potentially cost us when they turn up and turn ER into a home game through their unobstructed behaviour.

It's absolutely pathetic that they're hiding behind this argument anyway, they wouldn't dare hide behind it if it was racism.

Sectarianism is perfectly fine though according to Hibs.

[JohnM1875]

His answer is basically what we all already know to be true.

I believe people at the club don't like it but the balance sheet comes before morals, always has. Let's be totally honest most fans deep down feel the same way even if they feel a bit dirty saying it. If Hibs said we had been outbid on a player because we lost out on £100K or whatever from quartering Rangers allocation then no one would be happy. Put it to a vote of the fans and reinstating the full allocation would probably win.

It's totally ***** that's the case. It's the club basically wilfully ignoring huge chunks of our own conduct policy and it's allowing bullies to win but that's where we are.

Aye, BK said their singing (I mentioned both OF teams in my email) is the worst thing about Scottish football and he can't stand it either, but there isn't a simple solution. Which I'm sure means we can't cut the allocation and risk losing the money to fall behind other teams.

[B.H.F.C]

The financial aspect has to come into play, as soon as we start faltering on the field we all start screaming for the manager to get turfed and players paid off and down the road and they’ll quite rightly point to the budget being cut, 4 games against the OF be close to £500,000 it’s not buttons that then allows that lot and their media pals to rub it in our faces it’s cause of them.

I get the whole financial side of things. But in that case they shouldn’t ever be coming out with their zero tolerance nonsense. Clearly there is a tolerance level, if the price is right. Remember the club were quite happy to spend money trying to prove one of their own supporters had made an inappropriate remark at an away game and comment on it months later. Yet they won’t comment on the multiple inappropriate songs, amongst other things, that we saw in the away end yesterday.

[Pretty Boy]

The finance argument isn't a simple one though.

How much money do we lose through our own support not attending?

All because we don't want to listen to this *****, and experience their neanderthal behaviour.

How much money does it cost us in extra police etc, stewarding their hordes, and how much does it potentially cost us when they turn up and turn ER into a home game through their unobstructed behaviour.

It's absolutely pathetic that they're hiding behind this argument anyway, they wouldn't dare hide behind it if it was racism.

Sectarianism is perfectly fine though according to Hibs.

I'm not disagreeing it's utterly pathetic but if Hibs are citing the financial aspect directly to fans then I'd wager they have done the sums. They will point to the fact that 2 of our 6 biggest crowds of the season come against Rangers. Cutting their allocation arguably adds to the police and stewarding bill as we would potentially have to man a segregation barrier in the South Stand. Remember we cut their allocation in the Championship play off and half the stand lay empty, admittedly that wasn't the case for the 5-5 game a couple of seasons later so it could swing either way.

I agree that if it was racism we wouldn't even be having this conversation. The resources that went into identifying where a solitary (despicable) shout at Tannadice came from are proof of that. It's where we are though and I think Ben Kensell has been brutally clear that the club aren't for budging.

Maybe if the players and board walked out to 3 empty home stands next time we played them it would grab their attention. Fans wouldn't be willing to do that though regardless of how strongly we feel about the issue.

[green day]

Would finance be allowed to get in the way if we were talking about racism?

Of course it wouldn't.

If Rangers were singing songs about pakis or ******s instead of Bobby Sands and Fenians, there would be points deductions,no away fans, stands closed at Ibrox etc.

But it's only religious bigotry........

[green day]

It's also very instructive that despite this match being live on national TV, and loads of journalists attending, there has been the square root of **** all said about this.

[Pretty Boy]

It's also very instructive that despite this match being live on national TV, and loads of journalists attending, there has been the square root of **** all said about this.

Sectarianism is something that is almost so ingrained in Scottish culture that it's more a light hearted joke than serious social issue.

I remember watching a BBC Scotland hogmanay show a fair few years back and Andy Cameron was on. Part of his act was walking up and down a stage pretending he was throwing the baton at the front of an orange walk. The live audience were in stitches and hogmanay on the beeb is prime time. It didn't even seem all that out of the ordinary. Maybe we should have got someone on wearing a white sheet and burning a cross next. Same with Off The Ball. Every other week there is a bit of 'banter' about how much of a jolly old laugh sectarianism is. I like the show and I know exactly why Tam Cowan is there but Cosgrove is usually a decent counter balance to the formers contrived 'ah dinnae ken any better' act. Not with sectarianism though, he's quite happy to also play the fool and treat it all as a big laugh.

These lads and the journos all know on what side their bread is buttered. Most of them will know Jim Spence and be well aware of what happened to him for speaking his mind.

[Hermit Crab]

The SPFL delegate will most likely be a hun anyway so heres no chance of them getting hauled up. We need Uefa to come to these games and see for themselves, after all, Uefa closed part of their stadium for Euro matches. Surely they could do that again?

[green day]

The SPFL delegate will most likely be a hun anyway so heres no chance of them getting hauled up. We need Uefa to come to these games and see for themselves, after all, Uefa closed part of their stadium for Euro matches. Surely they could do that again?
I hear what your saying, but I don't really care what happens to them in Europe, it's what they inflict on Easter Road that bothers me.

And, as PB says above, it's glossed over so much now that nobody cares.

I'm in the West, and that was the worst, most prolonged sectarian singing I have heard in my entire life.

And not one word from anyone.......

[Hibby70]

It's simple then , money or morals, take your pick Hibs.

Choose wisely as this problem is only getting worse. It's our ground so we are the only ones that can effectively do something about it (the police, spfl, uefa clearly won't)

[CropleyWasGod]

The SPFL delegate will most likely be a hun anyway so heres no chance of them getting hauled up. We need Uefa to come to these games and see for themselves, after all, Uefa closed part of their stadium for Euro matches. Surely they could do that again?

Hauled up for what, though?

Again... no strict liability, no sanction.

[HibbyAndy]

Hauled up for what, though?

Again... no strict liability, no sanction.



4 thousand huns singing bigotry songs ?

[CropleyWasGod]

4 thousand huns singing bigotry songs ?

Without strict liability, there is nothing the SFA or SPFL can do.