Hibs appeal Jeggo red card

[ronaldo7]

Well done Hibs. Red card appealed.

[archie]

Well done Hibs. Red card appealed.

Agreed.

[cameronw-hfc]

Mckirdy tagging specsavers under the insta post 😂

[Carheenlea]

Given the outcry from all quarters, I’m fully expecting the SFA to circle the wagons in support of their officials and throw this appeal out. And for having the cheek to appeal, probably give Jeggo an extra couple of games ban for good measure.

[B.H.F.C]

Given the outcry from all quarters, I’m fully expecting the SFA to circle the wagons in support of their officials and throw this appeal out. And for having the cheek to appeal, probably give Jeggo an extra couple of games ban for good measure.

I don’t think they will add an additional game for this one. But I don’t think we’ll win the appeal for the reasons you mention. They know best, they’ve got the power and they like to remind folk of that. Basically the way the clown refereed the whole game yesterday.

[archie]

I don’t think they will add an additional game for this one. But I don’t think we’ll win the appeal for the reasons you mention. They know best, they’ve got the power and they like to remind folk of that. Basically the way the clown refereed the whole game yesterday.
I haven't heard a single comment agreeing with the decision. Also, given the Shinnie furore, I think they will be less free with the 'punishment' additional game.

[Hibby70]

Part of me wants them to throw it out, just to reinforce what a sham it is.

[Pretty Boy]

There is near universal agreement that it wasn't a red card and almost the same collective agreement that it wasn't even a foul.

Appeal refused and an extra game for frivolity incoming.

[JimBHibees]

There is near universal agreement that it wasn't a red card and almost the same collective agreement that it wasn't even a foul.

Appeal refused and an extra game for frivolity incoming.

Certain to be the case

[Aldo]

Part of me wants them to throw it out, just to reinforce what a sham it is.

If this is not overturned I’d really like Hibs to stand up and ask why!

[HarpOnHibee]

Appeal refused and an extra game for frivolity incoming.

Most likely outcome. They stink and they know they stink. So they embrace it.

[madhatter]

If this is not overturned I’d really like Hibs to stand up and ask why!

Reply already prepared. "Just 'cos"

[Aldo]

Reply already prepared. "Just 'cos"

You won’t be far wrong.

[archie]

If this is not overturned I’d really like Hibs to stand up and ask why!

Agreed. It's a perfectly legitimate appeal. Even if turned down there should be no additional penalty. They came across as so tone deaf with Shinnie that I don't think it'll happen again.

[Aldo]

Agreed. It's a perfectly legitimate appeal. Even if turned down there should be no additional penalty. They came across as so tone deaf with Shinnie that I don't think it'll happen again.

Shinnie was different to Jeggo tbh.

[greenlex]

Great that this is being done. The panel are supposed to be independent (although appointed by the SFA) so let’s see how independent they really are. I don’t think it will be overturned as that will acknowledge that two officials got it wrong with the second official seeing it numerous times. If it’s not overturned it will show just how corrupt the SFA are.

[SteveHFC]

Hopefully Napier is being banned from refereeing any of our games again too.

[madhatter]

VAR official has previous as well. Missed the handball by Considine (for St Johnstone) against Kilmarnock.

Response will be interesting...

[Hibs4185]

Hopefully Napier is being from refereeing any of our games again too.

His work experience ends shortly. Back to high school he goes

[007]

I think it will be overturned which is actually the cop out (albeit correct) decision. I think the biggest bone of contention with the Shinnie case was the extra game ban for the frivolous appeal rather than should it have been a red.

Overturning reds is not that uncommon, so not that contentious, and overturning Jeggo's avoids a debate over whether or not the appeal is frivolous.

[Donegal Hibby]

It definitely should be overturned as it was never a sending off though I'm not so sure it will , that will be admitting to Napier making a complete mess of thing's ( which he did ) . Though fair dues to the club for taking the right action on it .
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/jimmy-jeggo-red-card-hibs-launch-appeal-over-midfielders-controversial-sending-off-4115635

[hibbie02]

They will throw it out, add an extra game for being frivolous and another for Shinnie's appeal being frivolous....

[Stevie Reid]

Very glad to read this. Before I watched the highlights last night I was expecting to see at least one reason - even an extremely tenuous one - why the red could be justified. There were none.

Be astonished if this isn’t overturned. Not that that’s a guarantee of anything with this lot.

[HoboHarry]

It definitely should be overturned as it was never a sending off though I'm not so sure it will , that will be admitting to Napier making a complete mess of thing's ( which he did ) . Though fair dues to the club for taking the right action on it .
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/jimmy-jeggo-red-card-hibs-launch-appeal-over-midfielders-controversial-sending-off-4115635
We know the referee got it wrong but the lack of intervention from VAR is the bigger issue. I think we all believe that's the point of it being there and it failed completely. Maybe the VAR guy was in the bathroom having a pee and missed it.

[1875godsgift]

We know the referee got it wrong but the lack of intervention from VAR is the bigger issue. I think we all believe that's the point of it being there and it failed completely. Maybe the VAR guy was in the bathroom having a pee and missed it.

I get into trouble with the girlfriend if I do that.

[pollution]

The referee should invite Hibs to appeal the card, thereby preserving his and the player's integrity

[Donegal Hibby]

We know the referee got it wrong but the lack of intervention from VAR is the bigger issue. I think we all believe that's the point of it being there and it failed completely. Maybe the VAR guy was in the bathroom having a pee and missed it.
Referee was a joke and it's not the first time this season VAR has failed to correct a wrong decision which undoubtedly is the big issue as well as sub standard refereeing. Maybe having a large chamber pot next to the VAR guy might help them missing so many decisions though I doubt it HH .

[Greenio]

It has to be overturned surely.

I know they are known for protecting their own, but, like anyone, if it means less bother for them, they'll let someone else take the blame.

As an aside, the ref reminded me of Walter the Softy from the Beano. Clearly out to stamp his 'authority' on whatever he could. His general management of the game, including how we was dealing with the players, was awful

[HH81]

Had to be appealed after LJ comments this weekend.

Also the fact it was a shocker.

Bet the clowns don't overturn it though.

[Onion]

Given the outcry from all quarters, I’m fully expecting the SFA to circle the wagons in support of their officials and throw this appeal out. And for having the cheek to appeal, probably give Jeggo an extra couple of games ban for good measure.

And Napier given our next 5 games for good measure. Just to make a point.

"Put your trust in the Lord, your ass belongs to us." SFA, April 2023

[JimBHibees]

VAR official has previous as well. Missed the handball by Considine (for St Johnstone) against Kilmarnock.

Response will be interesting...

Really that was genuinely a catastrophic decision. Sounds like someone trying to keep Saints up. Who the heck are these people

[Spike Mandela]

It definitely should be overturned as it was never a sending off though I'm not so sure it will , that will be admitting to Napier making a complete mess of thing's ( which he did ) . Though fair dues to the club for taking the right action on it .
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/jimmy-jeggo-red-card-hibs-launch-appeal-over-midfielders-controversial-sending-off-4115635

Napier made a mistake, ref’s do for al types of reasons. This is where VAR should earn it’s corn. The Var official at this point should have looked at the various angles and instructed Napier to look at the monitor and reconsider the decision. The VAR officials error is far greater than Napier’s.

VAR should work but in this country with incompetence, bias, corruption and a non transparent SFA operating it, it defeats the purpose of having it.

[CentreLine]

Napier made a mistake, ref’s do for al types of reasons. This is where VAR should earn it’s corn. The Var official at this point should have looked at the various angles and instructed Napier to look at the monitor and reconsider the decision. The VAR officials error is far greater than Napier’s.

VAR should work but in this country with incompetence, bias, corruption and a non transparent SFA operating it, it defeats the purpose of having it.

Is it the case that the referee can turn down a request by the VAR team to review a decision? I’m pretty sure it happened with Willie Colum early after VAR came in. May be wrong but it rings a bell.

[Trinity Hibee]

I didn’t see sportscene this weekend. What was the consensus from pundits on that?

[green day]

I didn’t see sportscene this weekend. What was the consensus from pundits on that?

All of them thought it was never a red.

Iwelumo went further and said he didnt even think it was a foul !

I dont think any pundit on radio or tv has agreed with the refs assessment.

[Since452]

If it's not overturned I'm done going to the football. Not paying good money to be blatantly cheated.

[jacomo]

If it's not overturned I'm done going to the football. Not paying good money to be blatantly cheated.


Don’t think SFA have a choice here.

The consensus is that it was a ludicrous decision, Jeggo makes contact with the ball cleanly before the St J player even arrives at the incident.

If they don’t overturn it they will be ridiculed.

[JimBHibees]

Is it the case that the referee can turn down a request by the VAR team to review a decision? I’m pretty sure it happened with Willie Colum early after VAR came in. May be wrong but it rings a bell.

Collum was told to look again then decided he was right all along. Of course it was to Rangers benefit :greengrin

[Paulie Walnuts]

If it's not overturned I'm done going to the football. Not paying good money to be blatantly cheated.

Even if this one is overturned we’re all still paying for that anyway.

Rangers and Celtic get away with murder every week to the point they don’t even get allocated refs like Napier because he’s not deemed good enough to ref their games. Every other team gets him and his shambolic decisions though. They get every decision go their way on top of that with rangers having the most outrageous penalty record in world football.

As fans we get cheated anyway. This individual decision being overturned won’t change that.

[007]

All of them thought it was never a red.

Iwelumo went further and said he didnt even think it was a foul !

I dont think any pundit on radio or tv has agreed with the refs assessment.

John Collins thinks the VAR guys should never work again and that the main VAR guy was also on VAR for the Considine handball wasn't even part of the discussion.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/james-jeggo-hibs-red-card-29784761

[hibsbollah]

Even if this one is overturned we’re all still paying for that anyway.

Rangers and Celtic get away with murder every week to the point they don’t even get allocated refs like Napier because he’s not deemed good enough to ref their games. Every other team gets him and his shambolic decisions though. They get every decision go their way on top of that with rangers having the most outrageous penalty record in world football.

As fans we get cheated anyway. This individual decision being overturned won’t change that.

Rangers last had a penalty awarded against them 51 GAMES AGO.
That’s a record, made even weirder by the introduction of VAR in the previous summer and the inconsistent interpretation of the new rules relating to handball that seems to be impacting everyone else (lifted from Twitter).

[I'm Spartacus]

Two players going in for a tackle to win the ball, one wins the ball and the other doesn't, it doesn't mean there's a red card decision to be made. If Jeggo doesn't win that ball then I'm not screaming for a red card the other way.

Our ref's have been trained to make a decision every time something happens, it's the total opposite to how I would referee a game.

[DaveF]

John Collins thinks the VAR guys should never work again and that the main VAR was also on VAR for the Considine handball wasn't even part of the discussion.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/james-jeggo-hibs-red-card-29784761

Chris Graham was the referee for the Considine handball. Someone called Mike Roncone was on VAR that day.

[hibsbollah]

Rangers last had a penalty awarded against them 51 GAMES AGO.
That’s a record, made even weirder by the introduction of VAR in the previous summer and the inconsistent interpretation of the new rules relating to handball that seems to be impacting everyone else (lifted from Twitter).

I’ve just thought, must exclude cup games, they had one in the old firm cup game.

[Tyler Durden]

The head of refereeing should be under pressure

Seems like the VARs are intervening (or not) at the wrong times consistently. That comes from the top

I get that we can’t bring in foreign refs but they could invest in an outsider to lead the refs overall.

[green day]

The head of refereeing should be under pressure

Seems like the VARs are intervening (or not) at the wrong times consistently. That comes from the top

I get that we can’t bring in foreign refs but they could invest in an outsider to lead the refs overall.

We cant even break the near monopoly of Glasgow and Lanarkshire officials reffing all premiership matches.

The guys in charge dont think that is a problem or at all unhealthy, so there is zero chance they will go as far as your suggestion - sadly.

[I'm Spartacus]

Just a generic VAR question.

Nisbet skips into the box and is about to shoot, he's barged badly from the side and the ref waves play on. VAR stops the game and asks the referee to check, decision is it's a penalty, can the opposing player be booked? Given VAR can only step in for a red card decision.

[weecounty hibby]

If it was a free kick it should have gone our way. Jeggo wins the ball and then the St J player comes in late and catches him. The ball has moved on well before the StJ player commits the tackle. It was 100% the wrong decision and should be overturned, the VAR official removed from that position and the ref taken off top league games as well. I haven't seen anyone, except piss takers, saying otherwise. This is Scotland tho so an additional game ban will likely be the outcome.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Just a generic VAR question.

Nisbet skips into the box and is about to shoot, he's barged badly from the side and the ref waves play on. VAR stops the game and asks the referee to check, decision is it's a penalty, can the opposing player be booked? Given VAR can only step in for a red card decision.

Yeah I’d suspect they can’t book.

I said the same recently with regards to diving. We’re now at a point where unless it’s a horrendously bad dive referees won’t book players for diving as they’ll let VAR have a look to be absolutely sure it was a dive. By which point you’re no longer allowed to book the player as you can’t use VAR for bookings.

Noticed it at one of our games recently when a player dived and nothing happened.

[overdrive]

Yeah I’d suspect they can’t book.

I said the same recently with regards to diving. We’re now at a point where unless it’s a horrendously bad dive referees won’t book players for diving as they’ll let VAR have a look to be absolutely sure it was a dive. By which point you’re no longer allowed to book the player as you can’t use VAR for bookings.

Noticed it at one of our games recently when a player dived and nothing happened.

Yeah it seems to vary on the diving. There was a game where Ryan Kent did get booked for diving, VAR showed that it was one of the rare cases where he didn't dive and the referee rescinded the booking. But most of the time, they seem to go with the no-decision and allow VAR to correct approach.

[Tyler Durden]

Yeah I’d suspect they can’t book.

I said the same recently with regards to diving. We’re now at a point where unless it’s a horrendously bad dive referees won’t book players for diving as they’ll let VAR have a look to be absolutely sure it was a dive. By which point you’re no longer allowed to book the player as you can’t use VAR for bookings.

Noticed it at one of our games recently when a player dived and nothing happened.

The player can be booked at a penalty. Think of all the daft handball penalties these days where often the player is booked for handling it after the ref checks at the monitor. Rocky at Tynecastle one example for us

Equally the ref can cancel a yellow card having consulted the monitor

[Hibernian Verse]

Just a generic VAR question.

Nisbet skips into the box and is about to shoot, he's barged badly from the side and the ref waves play on. VAR stops the game and asks the referee to check, decision is it's a penalty, can the opposing player be booked? Given VAR can only step in for a red card decision.

Yes because VAR is checking for a penalty, even though it's not a red card. So he can be booked.

[Paulie Walnuts]

The player can be booked at a penalty. Think of all the daft handball penalties these days where often the player is booked for handling it after the ref checks at the monitor. Rocky at Tynecastle one example for us

Equally the ref can cancel a yellow card having consulted the monitor

Can they be booked if the ref hasn’t initially given the foul though? Or is it only if the ref gave the foul and var backs up their decision?

[lucky]

Napier made a mistake, ref’s do for al types of reasons. This is where VAR should earn it’s corn. The Var official at this point should have looked at the various angles and instructed Napier to look at the monitor and reconsider the decision. The VAR officials error is far greater than Napier’s.

VAR should work but in this country with incompetence, bias, corruption and a non transparent SFA operating it, it defeats the purpose of having it.

I partly agree. Napier made a mistake but even at the game, you could tell Jeggo wins the ball then the Saints player hits him. We thought it would a Hibs foul! The red card was a joke but the performance of Napier was one of the worst displays from a ref in a long time. He was a pedantic little prick the whole game. He should be facing ban as that decision could have cost LJ his job and Hibs a European place.

[Hibbyradge]

Yeah it seems to vary on the diving. There was a game where Ryan Kent did get booked for diving, VAR showed that it was one of the rare cases where he didn't dive and the referee rescinded the booking. But most of the time, they seem to go with the no-decision and allow VAR to correct approach.

Why did VAR get involved if it was only a booking?

[overdrive]

Why did VAR get involved if it was only a booking?

It was in the box

[gbhibby]

Why did VAR get involved if it was only a booking?
They would have been checking for the penalty and deemed it to be a clear and obvious error by the ref as there was contact so not checking the booking but the incident.

[Bad Habits]

VARdict is up on the BBC website now, Stuart Dougal backing VAR.

Paraphrasing, he says that VAR can only step in if there's a clear and obvious error, because Jeggo 'lunges' he fulfils the criteria to be sent off and VAR couldn't challenge it, if that makes sense.

Link here - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/65372545

I can understand but IMO was a crap decision by a wally who had completely lost control of the game.

[DaveF]

VARdict is up on the BBC website now, Stuart Dougal backing VAR.

Paraphrasing, he says that VAR can only step in if there's a clear and obvious error, because Jeggo 'lunges' he fulfils the criteria to be sent off and VAR couldn't challenge it, if that makes sense.

Link here - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/65372545

I can understand but IMO was a crap decision by a wally who had completely lost control of the game.

= a lost appeal

[Paulie Walnuts]

VARdict is up on the BBC website now, Stuart Dougal backing VAR.

Paraphrasing, he says that VAR can only step in if there's a clear and obvious error, because Jeggo 'lunges' he fulfils the criteria to be sent off and VAR couldn't challenge it, if that makes sense.

Link here - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/65372545

I can understand but IMO was a crap decision by a wally who had completely lost control of the game.

Jeggo lunges? He absolutely does not lunge.

For a recent example of a lunge, look at Egan Riley last week on Mackay. And it wasn’t given as a booking, never mind a red. So why was that not a straight red?

They’re all over the shop and clearly nobody within the refereeing profession has a a clue what they’re doing.

[Heisenberg]

VARdict is up on the BBC website now, Stuart Dougal backing VAR.

Paraphrasing, he says that VAR can only step in if there's a clear and obvious error, because Jeggo 'lunges' he fulfils the criteria to be sent off and VAR couldn't challenge it, if that makes sense.

Link here - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/65372545

I can understand but IMO was a crap decision by a wally who had completely lost control of the game.

Ex referee backs the SFA decision. I am shocked. We’ve no hope of the appeal being successful.

[number9dream]

Stuart Dougal backing the ref and VAR on the BBC's Monday review of all the decisions.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/65372545

You should probably not watch if you have any blood pressure issues.

[JimBHibees]

Just a generic VAR question.

Nisbet skips into the box and is about to shoot, he's barged badly from the side and the ref waves play on. VAR stops the game and asks the referee to check, decision is it's a penalty, can the opposing player be booked? Given VAR can only step in for a red card decision.

Think they can as it would be the penalty that was var checked. Yellow would be a consequence of that. Did he not have a reasonable claim on Saturday?

[Tyler Durden]

Jeggo very clearly does not lunge

[Hibbyradge]

They would have been checking for the penalty and deemed it to be a clear and obvious error by the ref as there was contact so not checking the booking but the incident.

Yes, of course.

[ronaldo7]

VARdict is up on the BBC website now, Stuart Dougal backing VAR.

Paraphrasing, he says that VAR can only step in if there's a clear and obvious error, because Jeggo 'lunges' he fulfils the criteria to be sent off and VAR couldn't challenge it, if that makes sense.

Link here - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/65372545

I can understand but IMO was a crap decision by a wally who had completely lost control of the game.

For "lunges", replace, stretches to kick the ball.

[JimBHibees]

Jeggo lunges? He absolutely does not lunge.

For a recent example of a lunge, look at Egan Riley last week on Mackay. And it wasn’t given as a booking, never mind a red. So why was that not a straight red?

They’re all over the shop and clearly nobody within the refereeing profession has a a clue what they’re doing.

No lunge at all. Wins the ball nowhere near excessive force which completely differentiates his one from Shinnies imo. Dougal has always been an arrogant clown. Sent off Brebner in a derby GOC winner for at worst a yellow then rescinded it however was on sportsound arrogantly defending himself and patronising fans. Think a Hibee ran on the pitch to confront him from wheelchair section

[Greenside]

VARdict is up on the BBC website now, Stuart Dougal backing VAR.

Paraphrasing, he says that VAR can only step in if there's a clear and obvious error, because Jeggo 'lunges' he fulfils the criteria to be sent off and VAR couldn't challenge it, if that makes sense.

Link here - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/65372545

I can understand but IMO was a crap decision by a wally who had completely lost control of the game.

Has Stuart Dougal ever disagreed with any VAR decision on the Vardict?

[MWHIBBIES]

It was actually an excellent tackle from Jeggo after a real ****ty ball from Hanlon.

It was ridiculous how quickly the ref had him off. While he was still on the ground. I may be wrong but referees cannot card players while they are on the ground, so he actually just failed in all aspects. A useless, arrogant fud.

[Mcbizz1998]

Stuart Dougal backing the ref and VAR on the BBC's Monday review of all the decisions.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/65372545

You should probably not watch if you have any blood pressure issues.

Just about lobbed my phone across the room watching that.

Comes across as a smug fanny of a guy.

[Trinity Hibee]

Stuart Dougal backing the ref and VAR on the BBC's Monday review of all the decisions.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/65372545

You should probably not watch if you have any blood pressure issues.

Part of the problem is this doubling down in refereeing circles. It is clear as day not a red card. Admit the mistake and move on.

[steve75]

VARdict is up on the BBC website now, Stuart Dougal backing VAR.

Paraphrasing, he says that VAR can only step in if there's a clear and obvious error, because Jeggo 'lunges' he fulfils the criteria to be sent off and VAR couldn't challenge it, if that makes sense.

Link here - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/65372545

I can understand but IMO was a crap decision by a wally who had completely lost control of the game.

I think that's disingenuous interpretation of the rules and the situation by Dougal.

I'll give him Jeggo could be considered to be lunging, but absolutely not at a player.

The fact is the St Johnstone player is the one coming in at pace, and from the side. Then boots him on the achilles/calf.

The suggestion that Jeggo made contact at knee height is just a lie.

[JimBHibees]

Just about lobbed my phone across the room watching that.

Comes across as a smug fanny of a guy.

Pretty accurate description of the guy

[JimBHibees]

The most shocking thing about the programme must be Lamonts man bun wtaf :greengrin

[Trinity Hibee]

The most shocking thing about the programme must be Lamonts man bun wtaf :greengrin

Haha

[Bad Habits]

For "lunges", replace, stretches to kick the ball.

I would agree, hence the quotation marks.

but its a pretty vague term, a standing tackle could be described as a lunge. And that is the exact reason they will use to refuse the appeal.

I don't mind referees making mistakes but its the pig-headed refusal to hold their hands up and say that a red was probably the wrong choice.

[overdrive]

Part of the problem is this doubling down in refereeing circles. It is clear as day not a red card. Admit the mistake and move on.

Spot on. Its a closed shop wee mutual back-patting club of smug weirdos.

[JimBHibees]

Stewart on Sportscene described it well sometimes players will get injured in tackles. The criteria for lunge excessive force and endangering safety of a player are simply not there. Dougal just defending the indefensible and referee clique. Pointless programme if not honest

[overdrive]

Stewart on Sportscene described it well sometimes players will get injured in tackles. The criteria for lunge excessive force and endangering safety of a player are simply not there. Dougal just defending the indefensible and how clique. Pointless programme if not honest

Exactly. What was Jeggo meant to do? Jump out of the way and say to the St Johnstone player, "here you go, your ball, even though I'm the one closer to the ball"

[Paulie Walnuts]

Just me that actually wants them to uphold the red card for the banter?

[Kato]

The most shocking thing about the programme must be Lamonts man bun wtaf :greengrinYeah, I stopped watching as soon as I clocked that.

Sent from my SM-A528B using Tapatalk

[JimBHibees]

Yeah, I stopped watching as soon as I clocked that.

Sent from my SM-A528B using Tapatalk

:greengrin

[007]

VARdict is up on the BBC website now, Stuart Dougal backing VAR.

Paraphrasing, he says that VAR can only step in if there's a clear and obvious error, because Jeggo 'lunges' he fulfils the criteria to be sent off and VAR couldn't challenge it, if that makes sense.

Link here - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/65372545

I can understand but IMO was a crap decision by a wally who had completely lost control of the game.

If the decision is upheld then the game in Scotland is heading for any player (or rather any non-Celtic or Rangers player) going to ground being deemed as breaking the rules which will fundamentally change how the game is played.

The rules on the screen say "Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball..."

Stuart Dougall says Jeggo was lunging towards an opponent. Even if you deem it a lunge, "at" and "towards" are not exactly the same thing. Jeggo was "lunging" at the ball not the opponent (albeit it was towards the opponent), the opponent was several yards away when Jeggo started to go for the ball.


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[green day]

VARdict is up on the BBC website now, Stuart Dougal backing VAR.

Paraphrasing, he says that VAR can only step in if there's a clear and obvious error, because Jeggo 'lunges' he fulfils the criteria to be sent off and VAR couldn't challenge it, if that makes sense.

Link here - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/65372545

I can understand but IMO was a crap decision by a wally who had completely lost control of the game.

Michael Stewart absolutely rubbishing everything Dougal has said on twitter, and also having a pop at his wee jibe about ex pros at the end.

[Unseen work]

I agree that VAR should be used less often and only for clear and obvious errors, which I think this is one.

The thing that annoys me about him saying that though is that every game Var is getting involved for decisions that are not clear and obvious and alot of the time people in the ground are confused why it’s even being reviewed.

But at the time it’s needed it goes into hiding.

[The_Sauz]

I also think the head of refereeing in the SFA Crawford Allan should lose his job. He is the one who set's up all the training for those clowns! :agree:

[Aldo]

I think that's disingenuous interpretation of the rules and the situation by Dougal.

I'll give him Jeggo could be considered to be lunging, but absolutely not at a player.

The fact is the St Johnstone player is the one coming in at pace, and from the side. Then boots him on the achilles/calf.

The suggestion that Jeggo made contact at knee height is just a lie.

Sorry but am I having a whoosh moment here….

Has Dougal implied or suggested JJ challenge was knee high?

I cannot get the link to his VARdict to work but having watched the clip to death JJ’s foot is horizontal to the ground and he flicks the ball away.

If Dougal has suggested this then he is showing exactly what’s wrong with the officials in this country.

If the appeal is not overturned I really do hope the club take this further and call them out for what they really are.

[Alfred E Newman]

Ex referee backs the SFA decision. I am shocked. We’ve no hope of the appeal being successful.

I think the best case scenario is no additional ban.

[Trinity Hibee]

Sorry but am I having a whoosh moment here….

Has Dougal implied or suggested JJ challenge was knee high?

I cannot get the link to his VARdict to work but having watched the clip to death JJ’s foot is horizontal to the ground and he flicks the ball away.

If Dougal has suggested this then he is showing exactly what’s wrong with the officials in this country.

If the appeal is not overturned I really do hope the club take this further and call them out for what they really are.

Yes, he stated it was knee high 😂

[steve75]

Sorry but am I having a whoosh moment here….

Has Dougal implied or suggested JJ challenge was knee high?

I cannot get the link to his VARdict to work but having watched the clip to death JJ’s foot is horizontal to the ground and he flicks the ball away.

If Dougal has suggested this then he is showing exactly what’s wrong with the officials in this country.

If the appeal is not overturned I really do hope the club take this further and call them out for what they really are.

5:44 "connects in and around the knee area".

[MartinfaePorty]

I also think the head of refereeing in the SFA Crawford Allan should lose his job. He is the one who set's up all the training for those clowns! :agree:

He's a smug erse, who loves himself

[Lago]

Ex referee backs the SFA decision. I am shocked. We’ve no hope of the appeal being successful.
The waggons are being circled already.

[Aldo]

Yes, he stated it was knee high [emoji23]


5:44 "connects in and around the knee area".

I found the article and I honestly cannot believe what I read. Studs showing knee high after looking at the pictures. The ****ing clown needs to look at the VT.

[Keith_M]

Oh the irony...


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[Aldo]

I think the best case scenario is no additional ban.

The club really need to fight this. If this isn’t t overturned then I’ll expect every player that slides in the same manner be red carded.

[grunt]

Has Dougal implied or suggested JJ challenge was knee high?
Dougal: "His opponent (Jeggo) is coming rushing at him, lunging at him, studs showing, and, based on the pictures that we've seen there, connects in and around the knee area. We can't possibly allow challenges like that to be in the game regardless of whether ex-players or pundits think it's ok."

[Aldo]

Dougal: "His opponent (Jeggo) is coming rushing at him, lunging at him, studs showing, and, based on the pictures that we've seen there, connects in and around the knee area. We can't possibly allow challenges like that to be in the game regardless of whether ex-players or pundits think it's ok."

Unbelievable

Pure fiction.

Biased/Corrupt let’s just make it up.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Dougal: "His opponent (Jeggo) is coming rushing at him, lunging at him, studs showing, and, based on the pictures that we've seen there, connects in and around the knee area. We can't possibly allow challenges like that to be in the game regardless of whether ex-players or pundits think it's ok."

**** me, you’d think it was Keane on Haaland reading that :faf:

[Kato]

5:44 "connects in and around the knee area".A blatant lie. If that's not corrupt what is it?

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[B.H.F.C]

Dougal: "His opponent (Jeggo) is coming rushing at him, lunging at him, studs showing, and, based on the pictures that we've seen there, connects in and around the knee area. We can't possibly allow challenges like that to be in the game regardless of whether ex-players or pundits think it's ok."

Not even remotely close to what happened!

[PHeffernan]

We still haven't seen a decent camera angle which shows the contact

[Donegal Hibby]

VARdict is up on the BBC website now, Stuart Dougal backing VAR.

Paraphrasing, he says that VAR can only step in if there's a clear and obvious error, because Jeggo 'lunges' he fulfils the criteria to be sent off and VAR couldn't challenge it, if that makes sense.

Link here - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/65372545

I can understand but IMO was a crap decision by a wally who had completely lost control of the game.
Fair dues to Michael Stewart here 👍.
https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/michael-stewart-blasts-condescending-stuart-26766884

[Trinity Hibee]

https://twitter.com/skysportspl/status/1650463345370357764?s=46&t=Lf2Je9-hRg6uExdvfVlCgA

Interesting discussion in England regarding 2 challenges

I’d say coopers challenge is way worse than Jeggo’s

another example of ex referees backing up their colleagues.

[Baader]

5:44 "connects in and around the knee area".

The knee? Where does he think the knee is located in the body?

Would be laughable if it weren't so crooked. The machine kicks into overdrive to protect refs and those ruining the game up here. Corrupt, pure and simple

[gbhibby]

https://twitter.com/skysportspl/status/1650463345370357764?s=46&t=Lf2Je9-hRg6uExdvfVlCgA

Interesting discussion in England regarding 2 challenges

I’d say coopers challenge is way worse than Jeggo’s

another example of ex referees backing up their colleagues.
Watched ref watch but Gallagher is as inconsistent as our refs and VAR officials.

[hibsbollah]

The knee :dunno:
Dougal from The Magic Roundabout would be less wired to the moon than this guy.

[HarpOnHibee]

If they don’t overturn it they will be ridiculed.

When has ridicule ever bothered them?

[Callum_62]

After Douglas description I think Jeggo should be banned globally for 6 months

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[hibsbollah]

When has ridicule ever bothered them?

The SFA=Adam and the Ants :agree:

[Hibs90]

I also think the head of refereeing in the SFA Crawford Allan should lose his job. He is the one who set's up all the training for those clowns! :agree:

That's not going to happen, he's as staunch as they come.

[Bostonhibby]

After Douglas description I think Jeggo should be banned globally for 6 months

Sent from my VOG-L29 using TapatalkEvery single Sevco player was thrashed to within an inch of their lives by that Jeggo tackle. Douglas will be an eye witness at the subsequent Old Bailey trial.

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[overdrive]

Dougal: "His opponent (Jeggo) is coming rushing at him, lunging at him, studs showing, and, based on the pictures that we've seen there, connects in and around the knee area. We can't possibly allow challenges like that to be in the game regardless of whether ex-players or pundits think it's ok."

:faf: what a clown he is

[Donegal Hibby]

Dougal: "His opponent (Jeggo) is coming rushing at him, lunging at him, studs showing, and, based on the pictures that we've seen there, connects in and around the knee area. We can't possibly allow challenges like that to be in the game regardless of whether ex-players or pundits think it's ok."


https://twitter.com/skysportspl/status/1650463345370357764?s=46&t=Lf2Je9-hRg6uExdvfVlCgA

Interesting discussion in England regarding 2 challenges

I’d say coopers challenge is way worse than Jeggo’s

another example of ex referees backing up their colleagues.

Douglas says Jeggo connect's in and around the knee area , he has better eye sight than me I'm still struggling to see if there's any actual contact been made after repeatedly watching over and over again. Douglas says we can't possibly allow challenge's like that in the game ! And Dermot Gallagher says different referee's have different views on it ! Same referee , same teams , totally different decision . 1:15 into footage.
https://youtu.be/zy9d2X-dWXM

[hibee_girl]

Dougal: "His opponent (Jeggo) is coming rushing at him, lunging at him, studs showing, and, based on the pictures that we've seen there, connects in and around the knee area. We can't possibly allow challenges like that to be in the game regardless of whether ex-players or pundits think it's ok."

You wonder if they watch the same games as us at times 🤯

[Real Emerald]

If that is allowed to stand as a red card and I was manager I would immediately resign stating I can no longer do my job in Scotland. How can you possibly coach players who are then getting banned for going about their job correctly as you’ve instructed them. Scottish football is an embarrassing biased sham, the only purpose of teams outwith the old firm is to make up a pretend league for them to win. The game is finished.

[Conj]

Douglas says Jeggo connect's in and around the knee area , he has better eye sight than me I'm still struggling to see if there's any actual contact been made after repeatedly watching over and over again. Douglas says we can't possibly allow challenge's like that in the game ! And Dermot Gallagher says different referee's have different views on it ! Same referee , same teams , totally different decision . 1:15 into footage.
https://youtu.be/zy9d2X-dWXM

And Dougal also said this particular rule has been in place since at least 2002 so what is his defence for Napier not sending off McPherson last season?

[Tyler Durden]

Watched ref watch but Gallagher is as inconsistent as our refs and VAR officials.

Yeah it's pretty telling that he agrees that the Liam Cooper challenge is not a red card. Backing the ref. Which I agree with.

But then for Jeggo - who goes in low also but with much less force/speed - he uses the word lunge and says he can see why the ref might decide it's a red. 2 different outcomes but both times he uses language that avoids criticising the ref. Refuses to say what decision he'd make on a Jeggo appeal.

[Lago]

One of the major problems is that although they get paid, Scottish refs are effectively part time amateurs and it's interesting to note that international and European football very rarely features Scottish referees. Correctly me if I'm wrong but I don't think they were involved at all in the last world cup.

[patlowe]

It's unfortunate this has come so quickly after the Shinnie stuff as they are being conflated when they are totally different tackles. For me the Shinnie foul is clearly reckless and endangering the opponent, though you could argue we've gone a bit soft on that front, which I think is a reasonable debate. The Jeggo tackle...if that's a red card under the rules you probably need to start telling kids not to slide tackle anymore.

[greenlex]

It's unfortunate this has come so quickly after the Shinnie stuff as they are being conflated when they are totally different tackles. For me the Shinnie foul is clearly reckless and endangering the opponent, though you could argue we've gone a bit soft on that front, which I think is a reasonable debate. The Jeggo tackle...if that's a red card under the rules you probably need to start telling kids not to slide tackle anymore.
Never mind slide tackle they’ll be telling them not to tackle in any form.

[Paulie Walnuts]

It's unfortunate this has come so quickly after the Shinnie stuff as they are being conflated when they are totally different tackles. For me the Shinnie foul is clearly reckless and endangering the opponent, though you could argue we've gone a bit soft on that front, which I think is a reasonable debate. The Jeggo tackle...if that's a red card under the rules you probably need to start telling kids not to slide tackle anymore.

:agree:

Youth football would be as well banning players going to ground. We’re almost at that stage anyway in pro football but by the time they’re old enough that will be the norm.

[JimBHibees]

And Dougal also said this particular rule has been in place since at least 2002 so what is his defence for Napier not sending off McPherson last season?

The same team getting shafted in both cases

[HoboHarry]

One of the major problems is that although they get paid, Scottish refs are effectively part time amateurs and it's interesting to note that international and European football very rarely features Scottish referees. Correctly me if I'm wrong but I don't think they were involved at all in the last world cup.
I could be wrong but I think Scottish referees have missed out on the last two world cups.

[HarpOnHibee]

Never mind slide tackle they’ll be telling them not to tackle in any form.

No tackling for the ball, no headering of the ball, keepers will be told not to get in the way of hard shots next in case they get hurt. They're really doing their best to ruin it for everyone.

[Trinity Hibee]

Hate to raise this again but football refs need to learn from rugby officials how to use common sense when something has been missed/a mistake made.

Clear communication with justifications which we have none of in football. We need to start hearing the chats between VAR and the referees

[JimBHibees]

Hate to raise this again but football refs need to learn from rugby officials how to use common sense when something has been missed/a mistake made.

Clear communication with justifications which we have none of in football. We need to start hearing the chats between VAR and the referees

Couldn’t agree more the paying public should be treated with more respect and should hear the discussion between ref and var over the speakers at the ground.

[007]

I'd actually be reasonably okay with the red card not being rescinded if it meant that similar (or worse) tackles against us were going to be similarly punished. The types of tackles against us are worse, on the whole, than we do against opponents so it should be better for us in the long run. Of course, we know it wouldn't work like that in reality.

[GreenGray]

https://twitter.com/ScotlandSky/status/1650472157032624130?s=20

According to an ex ref VAR would not intervene in this, so why bother having it?

Can't tell me we should have this system and that "it isn't VAR that is the issue it's those running it" if this is the case.

[Kato]

Hate to raise this again but football refs need to learn from rugby officials how to use common sense when something has been missed/a mistake made.

Clear communication with justifications which we have none of in football. We need to start hearing the chats between VAR and the refereesGreat ideas but not a snowballs chance in hell of ot happening. The ref, the var team and now an ex-ref are all saying it was a red card. The ex- ref trying to gaslight everyone who has seen it by describing several things which just did not happen.

With that level of stubbornness and ignorance of the game there isn't any chance of them changing.

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[Donegal Hibby]

And Dougal also said this particular rule has been in place since at least 2002 so what is his defence for Napier not sending off McPherson last season?
I don't think he could have any defense tbh just shows him to be a buffoon in sticking up for a fellow referee when everyone else knows it was a horrendously bad decision . If this particular rule is in place I don't understand why McPherson wasn't sent off in what I think is a far worse incident and even if it's not how can the same referee have two totally different opinions on it in the space of a year :confused:

[overdrive]

Great ideas but not a snowballs chance in hell of ot happening. The ref, the var team and now an ex-ref are all saying it was a red card. The ex- ref trying to gaslight everyone who has seen it by describing several things which just did not happen.

With that level of stubbornness and ignorance of the game there isn't any chance of them changing.

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Another ex-ref commented on Stewart’s tweet - Steve Conroy. He said it wasn’t even a foul.

[Stewboy]

If the VAR team are away from the ground and it’s done from an office somewhere, why not outsource it to English, Italian, etc VAR teams

[Trinity Hibee]

If the VAR team are away from the ground and it’s done from an office somewhere, why not outsource it to English, Italian, etc VAR teams

Good point

[blackpoolhibs]

If the VAR team are away from the ground and it’s done from an office somewhere, why not outsource it to English, Italian, etc VAR teams

Come on man, use your head.

[Real Emerald]

If the VAR team are away from the ground and it’s done from an office somewhere, why not outsource it to English, Italian, etc VAR teams

They’d still be under strict instructions from the GFA though. They’d be sacked if they gave penalties against Rangers.

[Paulie Walnuts]

They’d still be under strict instructions from the GFA though. They’d be sacked if they gave penalties against Rangers.

:agree:

[basehibby]

If the SFA dismiss this appeal it will signal a complete divorce between the SFA/referees and the virtual entirety of the football community they exist to serve. Players, pundits, journalists, coaches, managers and last, but not least, FANS, have ALL agreed with near unanimity that this was one of the most WRONG decisions ever witnessed! If the SFA and refs go against this enormous body of opinion then it calls the entire set up into question as they appear to be officiating an entirely different game to the one we all know and love.

[Stewboy]

Come on man, use your head.

True. Who knew the Tenerife Rangers supporters club had a VAR office!

[SHODAN]

Top-flight penalties conceded by team since Rangers' last conceded penalty (January 18th 2022):
Aberdeen: 15
St Mirren: 14
Hibs: 13
Livingston: 13
Ross County: 10
Hearts: 9
Celtic: 8
Dundee Utd: 6
Kilmarnock: 6
Motherwell: 6
St Johnstone: 6
Dundee: 3

[Real Emerald]

Top-flight penalties conceded by team since Rangers' last conceded penalty (January 18th 2022):
Aberdeen: 15
St Mirren: 14
Hibs: 13
Livingston: 13
Ross County: 10
Hearts: 9
Celtic: 8
Dundee Utd: 6
Kilmarnock: 6
Motherwell: 6
St Johnstone: 6
Dundee: 3

So quick addition, thats 109 penalties and none against Rangers. 😂😂

[HarpOnHibee]

Top-flight penalties conceded by team since Rangers' last conceded penalty (January 18th 2022):
Aberdeen: 15
St Mirren: 14
Hibs: 13
Livingston: 13
Ross County: 10
Hearts: 9
Celtic: 8
Dundee Utd: 6
Kilmarnock: 6
Motherwell: 6
St Johnstone: 6
Dundee: 3

Aye, but Rangers are one of the best sides in the league and the opposition rarely get into the box and when they do, the defenders are just so professional and disciplined and..... :blah:

Oh wait, is that 8 penalties I see next to the league champions there?

And there are still people who think out game isn't ran by staunch corrupt officials.

[Trinity Hibee]

Aye, but Rangers are one of the best sides in the league and the opposition rarely get into the box and when they do, the defenders are just so professional and disciplined and..... :blah:

Oh wait, is that 8 penalties I see next to Celtic there?

And there are still people who think out game isn't ran by staunch corrupt officials.

Yep says it all. Is it one or two pens rangers have conceded in about 100 games? Madness given how bad some of their defence is

[Just_Jimmy]

Scottish football is bent.

If its upheld, I'd be fine with hibs issuing a statement to say they won't be fulfilling the rest of the fixtures whilst it's clearly supporting a bent league.

They won't, they'll bend over and accept it as always.

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[flash]

Scottish football is bent.

If its upheld, I'd be fine with hibs issuing a statement to say they won't be fulfilling the rest of the fixtures whilst it's clearly supporting a bent league.

They won't, they'll bend over and accept it as always.

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Hibs playing the rest of our fixtures is hardly "bending over".
Don't be so utterly ridiculous.

[Just_Jimmy]

Hibs playing the rest of our fixtures is hardly "bending over".
Don't be so utterly ridiculous.Obviously they won't, but they won't say a word. They'll appeal, it gets rejected and they'll meekly accept it as always.

The game is bent and hibs are party to it.

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[flash]

Obviously they won't, but they won't say a word. They'll appeal, it gets rejected and they'll meekly accept it as always.

The game is bent and hibs are party to it.

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Did you hear Lee Johnsons interview?

[MWHIBBIES]

Obviously they won't, but they won't say a word. They'll appeal, it gets rejected and they'll meekly accept it as always.

The game is bent and hibs are party to it.

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What should Hibs do, short of risking demotion by not fulfilling 5 fixtures?

Can you give me an example of not accepting it achieving anything? Was Graeme Shinnie playing yesterday?

[Donegal Hibby]

Appeal hearing date 26th .
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-to-learn-outcome-of-jimmy-jeggo-red-card-appeal-later-this-week-as-sfa-sets-hearing-date-4117156

[Green Reaper]

Are any representatives of the clubs allowed at these hearings to put forward the case for the player involved?

[silverhibee]

Will just stick this in here but why has McGregor not being reported to the compliance officer for the blatant assault just after Aberdeen 2nd goal on one of the dons player as he tried to run past AM to celebrate the goal and AM sticks his arm out and catches the player around his neck, he obviously wasn’t booked for it so it should be getting reported to the compliance officer.

[JimBHibees]

Obviously they won't, but they won't say a word. They'll appeal, it gets rejected and they'll meekly accept it as always.

The game is bent and hibs are party to it.

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Johnson could not have been any clearer in his comments in numerous interviews.

[greenlex]

Will just stick this in here but why has McGregor not being reported to the compliance officer for the blatant assault just after Aberdeen 2nd goal on one of the dons player as he tried to run past AM to celebrate the goal and AM sticks his arm out and catches the player around his neck, he obviously wasn’t booked for it so it should be getting reported to the compliance officer.
Come on it’s good old Alan. :wink:

[green day]

Obviously they won't, but they won't say a word. They'll appeal, it gets rejected and they'll meekly accept it as always.

The game is bent and hibs are party to it.

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Dont be ridiculous.

Hibs have been upfront - and public - in confronting the SPFL and the SFA about ticketing in the LC Final, and more recently criticising the officials - and both of these came from Ben Kensell.

LJ has also stated that the red card was ridiculous and almost talked himself into a ban.

Whatever we are right now, meek and accepting isnt it - in fact, I would say the current regime (whatever their other faults) are right up for the fight.

[Allant1981]

Obviously they won't, but they won't say a word. They'll appeal, it gets rejected and they'll meekly accept it as always.

The game is bent and hibs are party to it.

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The club are anything but quiet when they aren't happy these days

[Golden Bear]

Scottish football is bent.

If its upheld, I'd be fine with hibs issuing a statement to say they won't be fulfilling the rest of the fixtures whilst it's clearly supporting a bent league.

They won't, they'll bend over and accept it as always.

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What do you suggest then? Withdraw from the league perhaps?

🙄

[SaulGoodman]

Scottish football is bent.

If its upheld, I'd be fine with hibs issuing a statement to say they won't be fulfilling the rest of the fixtures whilst it's clearly supporting a bent league.

They won't, they'll bend over and accept it as always.

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Hahahahaha

Mental.

[Bostonhibby]

Will just stick this in here but why has McGregor not being reported to the compliance officer for the blatant assault just after Aberdeen 2nd goal on one of the dons player as he tried to run past AM to celebrate the goal and AM sticks his arm out and catches the player around his neck, he obviously wasn’t booked for it so it should be getting reported to the compliance officer.They're all probably **** scared the nut job will plant one on them as there are simply no consequences when a hun of any sort decides that an assault is the modern enlightened way to deal with a situation they don't like.

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[Torto7]

Hahahahaha

Mental.

I don't think it is. This is a league that turns a blind eye to financial doping and blatant intimidation/sectarianism. We've seen Barcelona's dodgy relationship with refs come to the fore, Juve as well its naïve to think we're any different in Scotland. Umpteen refs in my lifetime have been caught with dubious character flaws like Hugh the Bigot Dallas.

[hibsbollah]

I don't think it is. This is a league that turns a blind eye to financial doping and blatant intimidation/sectarianism. We've seen Barcelona's dodgy relationship with refs come to the fore, Juve as well its naïve to think we're any different in Scotland. Umpteen refs in my lifetime have been caught with dubious character flaws like Hugh the Bigot Dallas.

…and Fiorentina, Lazio, Milan, and others, the ‘bung’ culture in England that got exposed in that Lampard interview and then bizarrely forgotten about, Marseille when Tapie was there…I’m willing to bet it’s going on in a few major leagues all the time. When Uefa and FIfA are your governing bodies it’s not like there’s a good role model to lookup to….

[flash]

I don't think it is. This is a league that turns a blind eye to financial doping and blatant intimidation/sectarianism. We've seen Barcelona's dodgy relationship with refs come to the fore, Juve as well its naïve to think we're any different in Scotland. Umpteen refs in my lifetime have been caught with dubious character flaws like Hugh the Bigot Dallas.

I am as cynical as the next man but i don't think i imagined The Rangers playing in the bottom division a few years back.

Arguments kind of lose their power, regardless of how accurate the central premise may be, if they are backed up by exaggerations and untruths.

I doubt we will see Barca or Juve kicked down their respective leagues anytime soon.

[Spike Mandela]

I am as cynical as the next man but i don't think i imagined The Rangers playing in the bottom division a few years back.

Arguments kind of lose their power, regardless of how accurate the central premise may be, if they are backed up by exaggerations and untruths.

I doubt we will see Barca or Juve kicked down their respective leagues anytime soon.

How soon we forget.:rolleyes:

Rangers weren’t demoted they had gone out of existence. Yet the authorities bent over backwards to reinstate Sevco to the leagues and indeed wanted them back in the top division. Only the outcry from fans of other clubs and under pressure Chairman facing mass season ticket non renewal forced the complicit authorities to fast track them into a lower league.

[Paulie Walnuts]

How soon we forget.:rolleyes:

Rangers weren’t demoted they had gone out of existence. Yet the authorities bent over backwards to reinstate Sevco to the leagues and indeed wanted them back in the top division. Only the outcry from fans of other clubs and under pressure Chairman facing mass season ticket non renewal forced the complicit authorities to fast track them into a lower league.

:agree:

[Kato]

I am as cynical as the next man but i don't think i imagined The Rangers playing in the bottom division a few years back.

Arguments kind of lose their power, regardless of how accurate the central premise may be, if they are backed up by exaggerations and untruths.

I doubt we will see Barca or Juve kicked down their respective leagues anytime soon.

Rangers weren't kicked down a few divisions. They ceased to be. A new club called The Rangers started up playing in the lower divisions.

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[BoomtownHibees]

I am as cynical as the next man but i don't think i imagined The Rangers playing in the bottom division a few years back.

Arguments kind of lose their power, regardless of how accurate the central premise may be, if they are backed up by exaggerations and untruths.

I doubt we will see Barca or Juve kicked down their respective leagues anytime soon.

Juve were relegated in 2007 for match-fixing

[MrSmith]

Rangers weren't kicked down a few divisions. They ceased to be. A new club called The Rangers started up playing in the lower divisions.

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And how football flourished and stands were a nice place to exist without their hatred filled sectarian bile being sung!

[Mcbizz1998]

Rangers weren't kicked down a few divisions. They ceased to be. A new club called The Rangers started up playing in the lower divisions.

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Absolutely. They should have been made to start from the very bottom like any other new club would have been forced to do.

[BILLYHIBS]

Roughie 😂


https://twitter.com/plzsoccer/status/1650534523082354695?s=46&t=-WLp_Dlz0ikIP1rStFdqBg

[tamig]

And how football flourished and stands were a nice place to exist without their hatred filled sectarian bile being sung!

Armageddon wasn’t quite so bad after all.

[Donegal Hibby]

Do the right thing SFA . Strange article calling out the sending off as wrong but defending Napier in the process :confused:
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/sfa-urged-to-do-the-right-thing-by-former-top-refs-when-considering-hibs-jimmy-jeggo-red-card-appeal-4117894

[HarpOnHibee]

How soon we forget.:rolleyes:

Rangers weren’t demoted they had gone out of existence. Yet the authorities bent over backwards to reinstate Sevco to the leagues and indeed wanted them back in the top division. Only the outcry from fans of other clubs and under pressure Chairman facing mass season ticket non renewal forced the complicit authorities to fast track them into a lower league.

That's exactly what happened. The new club should have started where all new clubs start. But alas, they're allowed to pretend that they're the same club with all of the tainted achievements of the previous club. Oh, but they're a totally different club when it suits them.

[Phil MaGlass]

I am as cynical as the next man but i don't think i imagined The Rangers playing in the bottom division a few years back.

Arguments kind of lose their power, regardless of how accurate the central premise may be, if they are backed up by exaggerations and untruths.

I doubt we will see Barca or Juve kicked down their respective leagues anytime soon.

Juve were also relegated in 2015 /16 they also have the chance of being relegated this year aswell with new allegations of corruption coming out this week.

[Aldo]

I’ve just seen Allan McGregor showing what a low life he actually is. Deliberately sticking his arm out catching the Aberdeen player.


Why is the CO not looking at this.

[Steven79]

I’ve just seen Allan McGregor showing what a low life he actually is. Deliberately sticking his arm out catching the Aberdeen player.


Why is the CO not looking at this.He's a Rangers player...

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[BILLYHIBS]

I’ve just seen Allan McGregor showing what a low life he actually is. Deliberately sticking his arm out catching the Aberdeen player.


Why is the CO not looking at this.

Couldn’t help himself either when his Boss told him to let Partick Thistle score in the cup at Ibrox had to have a fly wee kick

[Aldo]

He's a Rangers player...

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Sums it up perfectly

[Trinity Hibee]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0fjr6km?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

Some good discussion here about it

[Argylehibby]

Couldn’t help himself either when his Boss told him to let Partick Thistle score in the cup at Ibrox had to have a fly wee kick

:agree: Patrick player should have fallen down and handled the ball. McGregor gets sent off for denying a clear goal scoring opportunity and Patrick score the penalty! :greengrin

[LaMotta]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0fjr6km?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

Some good discussion here about it

Mikey Stewart bang on. Would love to hear him have it out with Stuart Dougal over this one on air.

[Donegal Hibby]

And Dougal also said this particular rule has been in place since at least 2002 so what is his defence for Napier not sending off McPherson last season?
Dougal since retiring has written for the Daily record . He has also been the referee on this decision btw ! Wonder what area he's from ? 🤔

https://youtu.be/w1CCgt_Fqe4

[MWHIBBIES]

Palace goalie only booked for this assault last night. Unbelievable.

https://twitter.com/btsportfootball/status/1650958776067846166?t=s0wsy6S8y6YvH6a4VoKbZA&s=19

[Trinity Hibee]

Palace goalie only booked for this assault last night. Unbelievable.

https://twitter.com/btsportfootball/status/1650958776067846166?t=s0wsy6S8y6YvH6a4VoKbZA&s=19

That is ridiculous. To think they get multiple chances to look at this stuff and still get it so wrong

[JimBHibees]

Dougal since retiring has written for the Daily record . He has also been the referee on this decision btw ! Wonder what area he's from ? 🤔

https://youtu.be/w1CCgt_Fqe4

Done us over in a Derby

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/h/hibernian/3163389.stm

[Trinity Hibee]

Done us over in a Derby

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/h/hibernian/3163389.stm

https://www.thefreelibrary.com/FOOTBALL%3a+Sorry+you+got+card+time.-a0106779232

Interesting here he says he wouldn’t want to make a habit of declaring mistakes to a panel. Explains his recent comments. “I’ll correct this one but if I get anymore wrong I won’t be doing it”

[JimBHibees]

More i think about it and the mood music of Dougal and refs circling the wagons think it is clear that this appeal will be turned down.

[JimBHibees]

https://www.thefreelibrary.com/FOOTBALL%3a+Sorry+you+got+card+time.-a0106779232

Interesting here he says he wouldn’t want to make a habit of declaring mistakes to a panel. Explains his recent comments. “I’ll correct this one but if I get anymore wrong I won’t be doing it”

His comments of him and the referee supervisor says it all about their arrogance. Copied text here

Link/Page Citation

Byline: HUGH KEEVINS

STUART DOUGAL yesterday admitted he blundered by sending off Hibs star Grant Brebner in Sunday's Edinburgh derby.

The referee held his hands up before an SFA review panel meeting to discuss an appeal against the red card.

Dougal confessed TV re-runs of the incident when Brebner fouled Hearts' Robert Sloan proved his decision was overly harsh. The panel immediately reduced the red card to yellow - freeing Brebner to play in tomorrow's top of the table SPL clash with Rangers at Ibrox.

It is the first time a referee in Scotland

has studied video evidence and told an appeals panel he was wrong.

Dougal, who was attacked by a furious Hibs fan as he left the Easter Road pitch at half-time, said: "I wrongly reduced their side to10 men.

"I couldn't in all conscience stand by and watch the player miss out on his team's next game into the bargain.

"It didn't take a lot of soul- searching to admit my mistake because the referees' motto is `fair play'.

"I thought from my angle I had taken the right decision but sometimes television can slowly draw attention to the rights and wrongs of an incident that the referee gets a split second to sum up on the park.

"I now accept Brebner's challenge was mis-timed as opposed to being a cynical challenge. I have to be big enough to live with my mistake because referees are only human.

"But I wouldn't like to make a habit of advising the review panel I had made a mistake. And I believe control of any game should be left to the referee."

Referee's supervisor Donald McVicar applauded Dougal's honesty but admitted too many such confessions would cause him concern. He said: "I don't want to see games refereed on a Monday morning.

"It would reach the stage where the referee's position was undermined to the extent he would no longer be thought of as the final arbiter. But a television producer might be given that status. The camera can lie sometimes."

McVicar invited managers and players who might be celebrating a referee being forced into a change of mind to realise the consequences.

He said: "This raises the question of players who have got off with offences missed by referees having their cases called up for review.

"Individuals could then be suspended with the benefit of hindsight, so that is the risk they take if the game wants to see television used to a greater extent."

[wookie70]

That is ridiculous. To think they get multiple chances to look at this stuff and still get it so wrong

Is it not because the penalty was given so double jeopardy applies and it is a yellow instead of red. His foot hits the ball so it could be argued he played the ball. Not sure how that rule interacts with serious foul play

[Hibernian Verse]

Is it not because the penalty was given so double jeopardy applies and it is a yellow instead of red. His foot hits the ball so it could be argued he played the ball. Not sure how that rule interacts with serious foul play

Nope, it's still serious foul play. Should have been a red card.

[EGL2000]

More i think about it and the mood music of Dougal and refs circling the wagons think it is clear that this appeal will be turned down.

I think there is pretty much zero chance of it getting overturned. I feel it's more they don't want to admit both the ref and VAR got it wrong. Has there been any successful appeals this season, I think maybe only 1 but can't remember who.

[easty]

I think there is pretty much zero chance of it getting overturned. I feel it's more they don't want to admit both the ref and VAR got it wrong. Has there been any successful appeals this season, I think maybe only 1 but can't remember who.

There's been 2 successful appeals, Tony Watt and Nicky Clark. Jeggo wil 100% be the third today.

[B.H.F.C]

I think there is pretty much zero chance of it getting overturned. I feel it's more they don't want to admit both the ref and VAR got it wrong. Has there been any successful appeals this season, I think maybe only 1 but can't remember who.

There was a successful appeal earlier in the season. Tony Watt. Ref didn’t even give a foul on the park, VAR told him to look at it, he then gave a straight red. It was then overturned on appeal. As ridiculous a scenario as you could probably get.

[EGL2000]

There's been 2 successful appeals, Tony Watt and Nicky Clark. Jeggo wil 100% be the third today.

I hope so just really can't see it.

[Saint Hibee]

There's been 2 successful appeals, Tony Watt and Nicky Clark. Jeggo wil 100% be the third today.

I want one of what you’re having!

[Smartie]

Whatever happens, the outcome won't be to ensure justice for the parties involved in this particular incident. It will be whatever it needs to be to satisfy some sort of bigger picture - confidence in the refereeing establishment or whatever. Pigs might fly and it might be that an obvious wrong is righted, but it's more likely to be a doubling down.

[Lago]

There's been 2 successful appeals, Tony Watt and Nicky Clark. Jeggo wil 100% be the third today.
I really hope your right, but?

[blackpoolhibs]

I'm convinced the red card will be overturned today, it just has to be on the evidence produced.

Surely tae god they dont want to be seen to be incompetant and corrupt a 3rd time over the same incident?

[Argylehibby]

At the time of the sending off the ref motioned that Jeggo had stamped to make contact with the St.J player which TV shows clearly did not happen. I’m fully expecting Hibs to have a video from their coverage showing the refs interpretation of what happened and why he issued the red card and also showing the tackle from different angels showing his interpretation was wrong.

Whether that will be enough though depends on the honesty of those hearing the appeal and that unfortunately can’t be guaranteed.

If it’s rejected I assume Hibs will receive an explanation of why. Are they allowed to share that explanation? I don’t recall ever seeing anything other than it’s been rejected or it’s been successful.

[evy]

Hibs win the appeal!

[04Sauzee]

Successful

[JohnM1875]

Least surprising overturn ever. Was an abysmal decision by the ref and VAR team.

Another decision that's ****ed us this season.

[Silversand]

Wow, surprised [emoji50]

[Donegal Hibby]

Done us over in a Derby

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/h/hibernian/3163389.stm
So this is the same referee that's offering his opinion by calling out one of our players that has repeatedly shown he was a incompetent referee as well or maybe he's part of the secret society that Beaton , Walsh and Napier are in ? . Some Hibs fans keep saying they are just incompetent , I think it's more than that and the whole lot of them stink of corruption myself. As for the appeal I hope the right decision is done but have my doubts sadly it will!.

[MWHIBBIES]

Must be consequences for the useless **** ref and var official. Craig Napier hang your head. Idiot.

[steve75]

Sky reporting it's been reduced to a yellow. If that's the case I'd be publicly calling that out too. It's not even a foul.
Yellow implies it's a mistake, but not as bad a mistake as it actually is.

[BILLYHIBS]

Rescinded

👍

[Unseen work]

Why have they still given him a yellow?

Surely looking at it and deciding it’s not a red is due to him winning the ball cleanly first.

A yellow is given for what? Because any excuse they would try give to make it a yellow would surely sound like the rationale for a red I.e excessive force, high foot etc etc.

Don’t get me wrong I’m delighted it’s been overturned, but it seems a bit of a cop out for me giving him a yellow.

[ronaldo7]

Is Stuart Dougal going to be removed from the BBC programme, the Vardict, as he clearly knows **** all about refereeing.

[Donegal Hibby]

Rescinded

👍
I'm glad common sense has prevailed , still don't think it was a yellow card though .
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-win-jimmy-jeggo-red-card-appeal-but-easter-road-chiefs-reiterate-concerns-over-referee-decisions-4119574

[SHODAN]

Still smirking Napier?

[Chorley Hibee]

Well I'm still pissed off they're trying to say that it was a yellow card.

It was a perfectly good tackle.

[Nicho87]

How do we now appeal the yellow?

SFA complete jokers.

[weecounty hibby]

Never a yellow card either!! But what now happens to the two absolutely inadequate, incompetent (cheating) *******s who thought ut was a red card. One of them actually would have been able to view it multiple times!! Nothing is the answer. At keast in England when they **** up like that there are consequences

[tamig]

How do we now appeal the yellow?

SFA complete jokers.

Think its only the hun who can do that.

[Ringothedog]

Must be consequences for the useless **** ref and var official. Craig Napier hang your head. Idiot.

Yup, he will be given the next Hibs game to really fick us up

[Paulie Walnuts]

A yellow lol.

They really should have to come out and justify why it’s still a yellow.

When a card is appealed they should have to release a statement outlining why they’ve made the decision they’ve made and to back up their decision, whether that’s upholding the red, reducing it to a yellow or wiping it out altogether. Especially since nowadays the card has went through two different sets of officials at the time of the incident.

[Donegal Hibby]

Still smirking Napier?
He probably is D , comes across as a totally arrogant wee t**t . Wonder how the other 🤡 feeling ( Stuart dougal ) ?

[hibsbollah]

Hibs statement simply ‘we are pleased that the red card has been overturned’.

I’d love it if they referenced the yellow too and the overall consequences for our euro challenge.

[Vault Boy]

Makes a complete mockery of VAR in Scotland.

[Chorley Hibee]

Still smirking Napier?

Yes, he probably is!

Whilst the red card has been rescinded, the actual damage (the potential loss of 2 points) has been done.

There will be no recriminations for him and the VAR muppets either.

[Donegal Hibby]

Well I'm still pissed off they're trying to say that it was a yellow card.

It was a perfectly good tackle.
I am as well mate . It's just another cover up in trying to protect a corrupt referee !🤬.

[cabbageandribs1875]

so if they still think it's a yellow should it not be a red :hmmm: wtf is it still a yellow


as for the VAR Van man, what a to$$er

[Pretty Boy]

This just proves further that VAR in it's current format in Scotland is unfit for purpose. 3 red cards now overturned since it was implemented.

That decision could have played a part in costing Johnson his job. If we missed top 6 there would have been a real possibility of him being dismissed. It also could have cost us hundreds of thousands of pounds, rising to millions if we make Europe and make a decent go of it.

You can almost excuse the ref as he gets one look at it and it is human error but how a VAR official (and a parade of retired refs) could look at that tackle and deem it red card worthy is beyond me. I can just about accept that under the current rules it was a foul and potentially a booking but it isn't dangerous or out of control so why a few moments weren't taken to get the decision correct on the field really needs answered.

We have purchased the Poundland option when it comes to VAR and we are seeing Poundland results.

[steve75]

From The Herald.

A Scottish FA statement on the disciplinary hearing read: "Claim partially upheld.

"The Red Card offence of A1 – Serious Foul Play is rescinded, and replaced with cautionable offence B1c – Recklessly tackles or challenges an opponent."

Going to be a lot of yellow cards in the post split games I assume?


Jeggo must be nearing a suspension on points now too?

[Carheenlea]

Pleasantly surprised, but it was such a preposterous red card that even Stuart Dougal’’s gaslighting couldn’t save their face.

Glad to see Hibs keep the pressure on as well :agree:

Chief executive Ben Kensell said: “We are pleased that common sense has prevailed, and the appeal panel has overturned Jimmy Jeggo’s red card. This is a positive outcome however, throughout the current campaign, we have raised serious concerns with the standard of officiating across the Scottish game on at least five occasions where decisions have wrongly gone against us. We will work with other clubs and the SFA to bring needed improvement to the current systems.”

[GRA]

Correct decision but surprised at the outcome. Thought the SFA would have doubled down. Still astonished VAR didn't send it for review. Calls are always subjective but in this case it was blatantly obvious it wasn't a red.

[The Sundance Kid]

From The Herald.

A Scottish FA statement on the disciplinary hearing read: "Claim partially upheld.

"The Red Card offence of A1 – Serious Foul Play is rescinded, and replaced with cautionable offence B1c – Recklessly tackles or challenges an opponent."

Going to be a lot of yellow cards in the post split games I assume?


Jeggo must be nearing a suspension on points now too?

Believe Jeggo and Campbell are both one booking away from a suspension

[Hibernian Verse]

Can we get the goal chalked off at Dingwall and two more points whilst we're at it.

[McGruber]

This just proves further that VAR in it's current format in Scotland is unfit for purpose. 3 red cards now overturned since it was implemented.

That decision could have played a part in costing Johnson his job. If we missed top 6 there would have been a real possibility of him being dismissed. It also could have cost us hundreds of thousands of pounds, rising to millions if we make Europe and make a decent go of it.

You can almost excuse the ref as he gets one look at it and it is human error but how a VAR official (and a parade of retired refs) could look at that tackle and deem it red card worthy is beyond me. I can just about accept that under the current rules it was a foul and potentially a booking but it isn't dangerous or out of control so why a few moments weren't taken to get the decision correct on the field really needs answered.

We have purchased the Poundland option when it comes to VAR and we are seeing Poundland results.

It could still cost us if we end up a point behind the Euro places in 6th or a point off 4th.
We'll never know what would have happened if he stayed on, doesn't guarantee any result but would have improved our chances.

Plus, this phantom yellow will add points to his disciplinary and he can't be far off a ban.

[Donegal Hibby]

While it was the correct decision to overturn it , the downgrade to a yellow is a joke and a get out of jail card for Napier and the guy that was doing VAR . Both will be involved in another top flight league game soon enough and probably some other club will suffer from it . It's basically a cop out by the SFA once again.

[EdinMike]

Expect 4 penalties to the Huns, we’ve annoyed them… And their suitors… Again…

[Oscar T Grouch]

Listened to the Sportsound link posted a page or so back on this thread (Mikey Stewart talking about Dougles interpretation of the refs decision). The really worrying thing that brought up (sorry if it's been discussed) is that the ref Mikey Stewart talked to about it said that it was never a red card but the training the SFA gives refs means that it will always be judged to be a red. That means the training is sub-par, the people receiving the training are already sub-par referees so there is no hope for the future of refereeing in Scotland. Fundamental changes are needed on the officiating side of our game and there is no one with the will or ability to do it.:brickwall

[Steven79]

Listened to the Sportsound link posted a page or so back on this thread (Mikey Stewart talking about Dougles interpretation of the refs decision). The really worrying thing that brought up (sorry if it's been discussed) is that the ref Mikey Stewart talked to about it said that it was never a red card but the training the SFA gives refs means that it will always be judged to be a red. That means the training is sub-par, the people receiving the training are already sub-par referees so there is no hope for the future of refereeing in Scotland. Fundamental changes are needed on the officiating side of our game and there is no one with the will or ability to do it.:brickwallThe appeal has been successful.

Written apology from the twat of a ref and the Stevie Wonder doing the VAR?

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[Mcbizz1998]

Is Stuart Dougal going to be removed from the BBC programme, the Vardict, as he clearly knows **** all about refereeing.

Exactly. The ref got it wrong in real time, VAR had several looks (presumably) and got it wrong. Stuart Dougal had several days, numerous viewings at every conceivable angle, slow motion, real time, freeze frame, a night to sleep on his carefully considered decision.

And he STILL got it wrong, the absolute plumb!

[Oscar T Grouch]

The appeal has been successful.

Written apology from the twat of a ref and the Stevie Wonder doing the VAR?

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I know the appeal was successful but the whole system is broken if the refs are being trained to give wrong decisions, the ref MS spoke to said that while he knew and could clearly see that Jeggo's red was wrong, the referees are being trained to see that tackle as a red card. There is no way to square that, a card overturned by the SFA, who train their referees to see and to judge it as a red card. That is just a broken system!

[Lago]

Must be consequences for the useless **** ref and var official. Craig Napier hang your head. Idiot.
Has Dougal of the "knee high" tackle commented yet???

[Northernhibee]

Even a booking is a scandalous decision. He got the ball in a controlled manner.

[J-C]

Rescinded and rightly so, it was a shocking decision.

[JimBHibees]

Believe Jeggo and Campbell are both one booking away from a suspension

Are you sure I thought bookings were wiped after 19 games.

[GreenCastle]

So the ref and his cronies just continue on this week?

Until refs are held accountable and VAR decisions more transparent with explanations this will continue to happen.

I’ve said for a while you want some major decisions to happen in old firm games - the more controversial the better so one day we can scrap the set up we have just now and actually sort out our ref system. Currently it’s part time amateurs with no accountability getting paid a decent chunk of money causing weekly having with teams and players / managers lives.

[hibsbollah]

Pleasantly surprised, but it was such a preposterous red card that even Stuart Dougal’’s gaslighting couldn’t save their face.

Glad to see Hibs keep the pressure on as well :agree:

Chief executive Ben Kensell said: “We are pleased that common sense has prevailed, and the appeal panel has overturned Jimmy Jeggo’s red card. This is a positive outcome however, throughout the current campaign, we have raised serious concerns with the standard of officiating across the Scottish game on at least five occasions where decisions have wrongly gone against us. We will work with other clubs and the SFA to bring needed improvement to the current systems.”

Happy with that statement.

‘Knee high’ :faf: Get to **** Dougal you absolute joke.

[Frazerbob]

What about the 2 points dropped? That could literally cost the club millions if we miss out on Europe.

[Donegal Hibby]

The 5 decision's that referee's and VAR have got wrong this season has cost us valuable points just taking in the penalty we didn't get at Ibrox and Marshall been taking out in Ross county game that's potentially 3 or 5 points in two wrongful calls by official's in our game's .

[Paulie Walnuts]

Are you sure I thought bookings were wiped after 19 games.

They are but Jeggo must have signed around that point. Think it was fixture 22.

[Unseen work]

The 5 decision's that referee's and VAR have got wrong this season has cost us valuable points just taking in the penalty we didn't get at Ibrox and Marshall been taking out in Ross county game that's potentially 3 or 5 points in two wrongful calls by official's in our game's .

Not that I expect us to have won, but Youan’s two yellows against Celtic were a joke too.

I’d also argue Aberdeen getting to retake the penalty against us at pittodrie. Keepers do the equivalent of that every game and don’t get punished.

[Frazerbob]

The 5 decision's that referee's and VAR have got wrong this season has cost us valuable points just taking in the penalty we didn't get at Ibrox and Marshall been taking out in Ross county game that's potentially 3 or 5 points in two wrongful calls by official's in our game's .

Those decisions could have cost our manager his job.

[theonlywayisup]

There was a successful appeal earlier in the season. Tony Watt. Ref didn’t even give a foul on the park, VAR told him to look at it, he then gave a straight red. It was then overturned on appeal. As ridiculous a scenario as you could probably get.

It is! Imagine if that happened in an Old Firm game. Can you really imagine the situation when a VAR assistant asks the referee to look at a non-foul in the heat of an Old Frim derby? Same with the Marshall penalty save Aberdeen that was retaken 20 seconds after the event. Or the Considine handball in the box. There's going to be Old Firm threats of violence & intimidation initiated because a VAR assistant has made an incorrect decision, when they've ample time to come to the correct decision, and the team affected by it will say it's bias influencing the decision.

[Kato]

Correct decision but surprised at the outcome. Thought the SFA would have doubled down. Still astonished VAR didn't send it for review. Calls are always subjective but in this case it was blatantly obvious it wasn't a red.They did double down with var. Making it a yellow could be said to be tripling down.

Wasn't a foul.

Wasn't even a tackle as the StJ player wasn't on the ball.

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[The Sundance Kid]

Are you sure I thought bookings were wiped after 19 games.

Might be wrong as the SPFL rules are never the clearest on these.

However, both are on 5 bookings since the 19th game of the season and I believe a suspension kicks in after 6.

[Billy Whizz]

Might be wrong as the SPFL rules are never the clearest on these.

However, both are on 5 bookings since the 19th game of the season and I believe a suspension kicks in after 6.

I thought they were wiped after 19 games. If they weren’t Cabraja would have been suspended, as he’s on 7 League bookings

https://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=113806

[Donegal Hibby]

Not that I expect us to have won, but Youan’s two yellows against Celtic were a joke too.

I’d also argue Aberdeen getting to retake the penalty against us at pittodrie. Keepers do the equivalent of that every game and don’t get punished.
Both yellow cards were ridiculous though more the 2nd one when it was our player that was initially fouled . I didn't expect anything from that game either though the two yellows had a massive bearing on the game .
Yeah agree about the Aberdeen retaken penalty also . We have had some awful decisions made this year against us !


Those decisions could have cost our manager his job.
Certainly could have cost him his job while the same incompetent or corrupt people get to carry on as if nothing has happened without facing any consequences for there wrongful action's . John Collins was spot on when he said they were picking up money for nothing and should never be in charge of football again!

[JimBHibees]

Might be wrong as the SPFL rules are never the clearest on these.

However, both are on 5 bookings since the 19th game of the season and I believe a suspension kicks in after 6.

Ok cheers. Is Jeggos one from Saturday his sixth?