Hibs appeal Jeggo red card

[Spike Mandela]

I may be overly cynical but i fully expect Hibs to pay the price for appealing this red card, with some dubious decisions in the remaining five games.

[JimBHibees]

I thought they were wiped after 19 games. If they weren’t Cabraja would have been suspended, as he’s on 7 League bookings

https://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=113806

He is saying that both Campbell and Jeggo have 5 bookings since the 19th game.

[JimBHibees]

I may be overly cynical but i fully expect Hibs to pay the price for appealing this red card, with some dubious decisions in the remaining five games.

What has tended to happen in the past is how you will have come to that conclusion

[JimBHibees]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0fjr6km?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

Some good discussion here about it

Very good listen that.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I may be overly cynical but i fully expect Hibs to pay the price for appealing this red card, with some dubious decisions in the remaining five games.

You’re not cynical at all. You’re using what has happened previously to come to that conclusion which is completely logical.

[Billy Whizz]

He is saying that both Campbell and Jeggo have 5 bookings since the 19th game.

Oops, yes he’s right

[Smartie]

Exactly. The ref got it wrong in real time, VAR had several looks (presumably) and got it wrong. Stuart Dougal had several days, numerous viewings at every conceivable angle, slow motion, real time, freeze frame, a night to sleep on his carefully considered decision.

And he STILL got it wrong, the absolute plumb!

Good points here.

I can actually forgive the ref for getting it wrong in real time. It can sometimes be very difficult to untangle exactly what has gone on when 2 players end up challenging for the ball at speed.

VAR are there to dig him out and they failed miserably. That Dougal could form his opinion days and days later is actually unforgivable.

If there's a positive to come from Dougal's intervention, it's that he's been thrown firmly under the bus and made look a bit more of a twat by today's verdict.

[The Sundance Kid]

Ok cheers. Is Jeggos one from Saturday his sixth?

No, that will be his 5th. So I think he’s now a booking away from a suspension

[JimBHibees]

No, that will be his 5th. So I think he’s now a booking away from a suspension

Ok cheers

[Hibbyradge]

No, that will be his 5th. So I think he’s now a booking away from a suspension

When are suspensions for points amassed served?

It might be worth a tactical booking so he's available for the game against hertz.

[JimBHibees]

When are suspensions for points amassed served?

It might be worth a tactical booking so he's available for the game against hertz.

Ban kicks in 14 days after 6th booking

[nonshinyfinish]

Ban kicks in 14 days after 6th booking

So if I haven't messed up my sums:

Booked vs St Mirren = suspended vs Sevco
Booked vs Aberdeen = suspended vs Hearts
Booked in any other game = suspended for the first fixture of next season

[HibbyAndy]

Var team should hold their heads in shame !!

How in the name of god they can look at that and STILL send him off , Absolute disgrace


They should be hung out to dry and named and shamed

[PatHead]

The VAR team were named. Bit of a Sevconian statement/demand wanting them named and shamed.

Regarding statements I thought the Hibs one was good mentioning previous decisions.

[easty]

From The Herald.

A Scottish FA statement on the disciplinary hearing read: "Claim partially upheld.

"The Red Card offence of A1 – Serious Foul Play is rescinded, and replaced with cautionable offence B1c – Recklessly tackles or challenges an opponent."

Going to be a lot of yellow cards in the post split games I assume?


Jeggo must be nearing a suspension on points now too?

Jeggo has (including this one) now got 6 yellows. 5 in the league and 1 in the cup, I dunno if the cup one counts towards the accumulated yellows for a ban?

[Partyraiser]

Do the clubs not pay for the VAR system to be in operation? Hibs should be asking for a refund for anything they contributed towards VAR being in use against St Johnston as it's presence has served no purpose

[Fratelli]

Can’t wait to hear that 🤡 Dougal get questioned about the red card being rescinded on the next VARdick show!

He goes out of his way to always justify or support the referees decision - on this one, he complimented Napier for making a speedy decision, when ‘thinking time’ was what was required.

[Donegal Hibby]

Can’t wait to hear that 🤡 Dougal get questioned about the red card being rescinded on the next VARdick show!

He goes out of his way to always justify or support the referees decision - on this one, he complimented Napier for making a speedy decision, when ‘thinking time’ was what was required.
His words of Jeggo caught him around the knee area are unbelievably ridiculous. Wonder is he feeling abit stupid now ?

[GreenCastle]

Do the clubs not pay for the VAR system to be in operation? Hibs should be asking for a refund for anything they contributed towards VAR being in use against St Johnston as it's presence has served no purpose

Better than that…

The higher up the league you finish the more you pay for VAR.

Pay more get more decisions for you.

It’s a ridiculous set up.

The yellow card is just nonsense - he wins the ball - that’s it. It’s not even a foul - trying to cover their backs with a yellow is just another example of how useless the officials are.

[Trinity Hibee]

Better than that…

The higher up the league you finish the more you pay for VAR.

Pay more get more decisions for you.

It’s a ridiculous set up.

The yellow card is just nonsense - he wins the ball - that’s it. It’s not even a foul - trying to cover their backs with a yellow is just another example of how useless the officials are.

Exactly, rescinded the red but still made an error giving him a yellow

[McGruber]

It is! Imagine if that happened in an Old Firm game. Can you really imagine the situation when a VAR assistant asks the referee to look at a non-foul in the heat of an Old Frim derby? Same with the Marshall penalty save Aberdeen that was retaken 20 seconds after the event. Or the Considine handball in the box. There's going to be Old Firm threats of violence & intimidation initiated because a VAR assistant has made an incorrect decision, when they've ample time to come to the correct decision, and the team affected by it will say it's bias influencing the decision.

The Aberdeen retake penalty was never a penalty in the first place - blatant dive from Duk.

[Fratelli]

His words of Jeggo caught him around the knee area are unbelievably ridiculous. Wonder is he feeling abit stupid now ?

I’ve just listened to Dougal on the VARdick again and he has a wee pop at ‘ex-players and pundits who think that that challenge is ok’ and justifies the ‘swift red card as good refereeing!’

What was left of his reputation as a VAR analyst is now totally shredded - would much prefer to have a non-Scottish ref doing the show.

[ancient hibee]

Can’t wait to hear that 🤡 Dougal get questioned about the red card being rescinded on the next VARdick show!

He goes out of his way to always justify or support the referees decision - on this one, he complimented Napier for making a speedy decision, when ‘thinking time’ was what was required.

So quick that Jeggo was lying on the ground. Against the rules?

[Stick]

I’ve just listened to Dougal on the VARdick again and he has a wee pop at ‘ex-players and pundits who think that that challenge is ok’ and justifies the ‘swift red card as good refereeing!’

What’s was left of his reputation as a VAR analyst is now totally shredded - would much prefer to have a non-Scottish ref doing the show.


After being told for years that referees make their decisions without player influence, a few weeks ago Douglas actually admitted on the show, when commenting on a referee’s decision saying,“the fact the players didn’t make much of a fuss confirmed that it wasn’t a penalty”. They’re making it up as they go along.

[Since452]

Scandalous he's even been given a yellow. Wasn't even a foul.

[Fratelli]

After being told for years that referees make their decisions without player influence, a few weeks ago Douglas actually admitted on the show, when commenting on a referee’s decision saying,“the fact the players didn’t make much of a fuss confirmed that it wasn’t a penalty”. They’re making it up as they go along.

When he commented on the Shankland penalty, he referenced the referee having the ‘safety-net’ of VAR but then Alasdair Lamont picked him up and said that the ‘referee is not supposed to wait for VAR to decide for them’ which he ignored!

As you say, just making it up as they go along.

[HarpOnHibee]

If Stuart Dougal hadn't come out with his guff, I guarantee there wouldn't even be a yellow. Just the institution wiping each others bums yet again.

[H18 SFR]

The BBC will continue to give Dougal airtime which is a farce in itself.

[overdrive]

The BBC will continue to give Dougal airtime which is a farce in itself.

The BBC should sack him along with the ref and VAR being sacked by the SFA

[H18 SFR]

The BBC will continue to give Dougal airtime which is a farce in itself.

[EdinMike]

News just in Napier will referee the Edinburgh Derby…

*sarcasrm* before anyone blows a lid !

[JimBHibees]

Jeggo has (including this one) now got 6 yellows. 5 in the league and 1 in the cup, I dunno if the cup one counts towards the accumulated yellows for a ban?

No the cup yellow is separate.

[JimBHibees]

So if I haven't messed up my sums:

Booked vs St Mirren = suspended vs Sevco
Booked vs Aberdeen = suspended vs Hearts
Booked in any other game = suspended for the first fixture of next season

Think that is right

[Hibernian Verse]

News just in Napier will referee the Edinburgh Derby…

*sarcasrm* before anyone blows a lid !

He's not allowed to referee Hearts, Celtic or Rangers.

[Donegal Hibby]

He's not allowed to referee Hearts, Celtic or Rangers.
Aren't we the lucky ones :rolleyes:

[Tambo]

A small victory for Jeggo with winning the appeal but its still not good acceptable and a review needs to happen over the summer.

Nothing will happen and we will probably be in this situation again next season.

I had some hopes for var but some of the decisions this season and not just against us has been poor.

[Joe6-2]

A small victory for Jeggo with winning the appeal but its still not good acceptable and a review needs to happen over the summer.

Nothing will happen and we will probably be in this situation again next season.

I had some hopes for var but some of the decisions this season and not just against us has been poor.

The decisions on VAR this season have gone to prove our referees to be totally incompetent or as I believe, cheats

[Steven79]

The decisions on VAR this season have gone to prove our referees to be totally incompetent or as I believe, cheatsCraig Napier is definitely a cheat.

The smug look on his face at full time...

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[gaz1875]

If Stuart Dougal hadn't come out with his guff, I guarantee there wouldn't even be a yellow. Just the institution wiping each others bums yet again.

Spot on he's a total bawbag, if I remember correctly he said Jeggo hit his knee!! Just like Youan's yellow against celtic was a high foot. His defence of his fellow referees is embarrassing.

[LeithMike]

Don’t think it was a foul never mind a yellow card in the context but the rules are very unclear and I can see why referees struggle with it. Doesn’t excuse the horror of VAR not correcting but I think this actually needs a rule change.

For me the art of a slide tackle is coming in from behind a player and bringing your leg round the side and taking the ball away with the top of your boot (which wouldn’t cause any damage if impacting the player).

Where players slide in with studs showing then there is always potential for a bad injury. The age old example is where the ball is in between the goalie and a striker and the striker slides in with studs showing and the goalie goes with his hands (turn away). It’s also common when a player miscontrols the ball and feels pressure to win it back and overstretches.

Simple rule change would be to discourage this type of tackle by outlawing touching the ball with your studs while off your feet. That would allow the good tackles to remain and the dangerous ones to be fizzled out.

And why not try enforce substitutions if a team isn’t really gaining any benefit from the challenge. Rather than a red card - allow a substitute and if the tackle is banned the player can be punished afterwards. Football should be doing all it can to keep it 11 v 11.

Aside from all that no surprise our refereeing system is rotten when bias pervades the whole system and is well documented.


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[Donegal Hibby]

Article on referee mistakes against Hibs .
https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/why-hibs-feel-wronged-as-club-count-cost-of-multiple-refereeing-decisions-they-could-be-sitting-third-4120879

[O'Rourke3]

Article on referee mistakes against Hibs .
https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/why-hibs-feel-wronged-as-club-count-cost-of-multiple-refereeing-decisions-they-could-be-sitting-third-4120879I wonder who paid MG to write that as a full time Jambo? Must be a new sports editor. BBC Scotland could do with the same.

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[Stonewall]

What I don’t understand is why VAR is not staffed by experienced recently retired referees rather than inexperienced refs working their way up the rankings.

surely that would cut out some of the rediculous decisions we see.

Also if we take the example of Rugby where it seems to work better, all three officials are involved in the decision and there appears to be a set process they have to go through to arrive at a decision.

I think a meeting of grown ups is required at the end of the season.

[JamesHFC]

Common sense prevails.

[uwxm07]

It wasn’t actually a foul so not sure how it merits a yellow ….. but that would be too much for the SFA to swallow.

[cameronw-hfc]

I wonder who paid MG to write that as a full time Jambo? Must be a new sports editor. BBC Scotland could do with the same.

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Harsh imo, she's usually decent. Gets most things spit on with Hibs and always felt she was one of the better journos.

[DstN75]

It’s incredible how bad Dougal is, given that he’s supposed to represent some sort of authoritative voice.

Even if Jeggo’s challenge had warranted a red card - which it clearly didn’t - his statement was unconvincing, and actually kind of petulant. How can you represent balance and authority when you make stupid digs about “ex players”? He needed to be emphatic and, frankly, boring - “this is the rule. It was applied correctly.”

That encourages faith in the system. Instead the fool is flailing around making snide remarks and basic mistakes.

[LewysGot2]

I wonder who paid MG to write that as a full time Jambo? Must be a new sports editor. BBC Scotland could do with the same.

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She hosted an evening with Hanlon and Stevenson last year in the West Stand. Was excellent. Genuinely was appreciative of their standing in the game/club. Professionalism was evident. I’m not surprised she wrote this piece.

[Alfred E Newman]

It wasn’t actually a foul so not sure how it merits a yellow ….. but that would be too much for the SFA to swallow.

I didn't realise it had been still classed as a yellow. That just compounds the mistake.

[BILLYHIBS]

Refs in this country are still shan and corrupt

Makes you wonder if it is worthwhile paying hard earned to watch the SPFL

Always the same old movie

**** the SFA

[Hibernian Verse]

What I don’t understand is why VAR is not staffed by experienced recently retired referees rather than inexperienced refs working their way up the rankings.

surely that would cut out some of the rediculous decisions we see.

Also if we take the example of Rugby where it seems to work better, all three officials are involved in the decision and there appears to be a set process they have to go through to arrive at a decision.

I think a meeting of grown ups is required at the end of the season.

What I don't understand, personally, is that I could've been sitting in the VAR room and have asked the ref to look at the Marshall foul at Dingwall and the red card last Saturday and I've only refereed an unofficial 5-a-side match at the Pitz.

[grunt]

What I don’t understand is why VAR is not staffed by experienced recently retired referees rather than inexperienced refs working their way up the rankings.

surely that would cut out some of the rediculous decisions we see.Someone like Dougal you mean?

[jacomo]

Exactly, rescinded the red but still made an error giving him a yellow


Agreed. Face-saving bs. No yellow warranted.

[007]

Someone like Dougal you mean?

I wouldn't say 2009 is recent.

[DIXIHIBS]

Daily Record saying Jeggo "off the hook". Cheeky b@$#.

[grunt]

I wouldn't say 2009 is recent.Didn't realise it was that long ago.

[Onion]

Craig Napier is definitely a cheat.

The smug look on his face at full time...

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Should force Napier the VAR to issue a public apology to Hibs, players and fans for their gross incompetence. The cop out of the ref only having a split second to see any incident no longer valid. As for the replacement with a yellow is complete face-saving nonsense from the SFA to save themselves, Napier and Var from further ridicule.

Sadly, Hibs forced to say the right things (glad common sense prevailed etc) and not what am sure they truly feel to avoid being slapped with a disrepute charge. Whole thing is a farce.