Lee Johnson

[bingo70]

Isn't Scott Brown doing terrible at Fleetwood?

I do not believe this City Group will be buying Hibs, hasn't this just started from a LJ waffle sesh, Edinburgh Live then tweet something and then it's fact?

Time will tell it it was a waffle sesh but seems an odd thing for him to make up if he has.

[Trinity Hibee]

I'm not defending the manager by any means, but there must be ample proof (under various managers) that the majority of this squad is nowhere near good enough.

How many more of these results are needed?

I also wouldn’t want to defend the players. Many are not good enough for Hibs. Just don’t remember a season where our record against the bottom few teams has been so poor.

[Hibbyradge]

Time will tell it it was a waffle sesh but seems an odd thing for him to make up if he has.

What did he say?

[snedzuk]

Can’t argue with any of that


Sunday's game (and the Motherwell one before it) look like unnecessarily bad management, for my money.

We had been on a run with only one bad performance (Rangers at home was horrendous) but in the winning run before it, and even in defeat at Parkhead, the 4-2-3-1 system had clearly suited the players Johnson has.

Against Motherwell he went for wholesale changes, and (on paper) ultra defensive, and I could not fathom what he was playing at.

Against United, which was THE crucial game of 2023, to put the fear into our city neighbours, being within reach and a derby to follow...he again strayed wildly from the formation that works.

Starting at the back - big Fish looks solid with an experienced pro alongside him (Hanlon or Devlin)
Lewie still starts at left back for me
Cadden, for all his faults, at right back.

Jeggo & Egan Riley had formed a solid base in the midfield.

I would go Kukharevych up top, every time, and then the three behind him you prune from Youan / Nisbet / Campbell / Newell (and Laidlaw)

You keep people like Jair, McKirdy, Henderson, Doyle-Hayes out of harms reach on the very far end of the bench.

You put the best youngsters on the near-side of the bench though: MacIntyre, Delfierre, O'Connor, Laidlaw, Malik.

Anyway, that's my 2p

Cant really argue with that save for we have a 'unit' defender (Devlin) on the bench and they have a 'unit' centre forward. Does Devlin get near the team - no!

[bingo70]

What did he say?

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/10476751/aiden-mcgeady-injury-update-hibs/

“ Who in their right mind would turn down the opportunity to have a fantastic link with top clubs?

“It’s not just younger players; we’re talking about partnerships, data transfer, sponsorship.

“The City Football Group as an example must have about 600 players — and it might be a 32-year-old who has the potential to jump into a different country. Everything is assessed.”

There have been other things said as well but that’s all I can be bothered posting across (page 7 on the new owners thread if you can be arsed checking)

[Hibbyradge]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/10476751/aiden-mcgeady-injury-update-hibs/

“ Who in their right mind would turn down the opportunity to have a fantastic link with top clubs?

“It’s not just younger players; we’re talking about partnerships, data transfer, sponsorship.

“The City Football Group as an example must have about 600 players — and it might be a 32-year-old who has the potential to jump into a different country. Everything is assessed.”

There have been other things said as well but that’s all I can be bothered posting across (page 7 on the new owners thread if you can be arsed checking)

Cheers

[GreenGray]

At the rate we are going through manager's over the last four years I think it suggests the squad isn't good enough.


Our record against the bottom 2 this season reads:

P6 W1 D2 L3 PTS 5

And out of the 5 home games against the opposition you mention, we've won 1 of them (against 10 men).

P5 W1 D1 L3 PTS 4

A disgraceful return, and more than enough proof that these players aren't good enough.

We should be expecting to beat these teams the same way the Old Firm expects to beat us, the difference in wage bill is huge.

Our players on paper have more than enough to beat them.

[jeffers]

I'm not defending the manager by any means, but there must be ample proof (under various managers) that the majority of this squad is nowhere near good enough.

How many more of these results are needed?

I keep reading this, but it’s not as if it’s the same squad that Ross or Maloney had. How many players have we brought in since Johnson was appointed, probably enough to field an entirely new starting 11 ? And let’s not forget while the much maligned Ian Gordon gets blamed for the recent signings some of them were Johnson targets, McKirdy being a prime example.

[Donegal Hibby]

And he's had a good go at signing plenty. AND he's busy signing more!
As did Lennon , hecky , Ross and Maloney . Part of the problem at the club maybe?

[Heisenberg]

I keep reading this, but it’s not as if it’s the same squad that Ross or Maloney had. How many players have we brought in since Johnson was appointed, probably enough to field an entirely new starting 11 ? And let’s not forget while the much maligned Ian Gordon gets blamed for the recent signings some of them were Johnson targets, McKirdy being a prime example.

We wanted McKirdy before Johnson was here.

[Donegal Hibby]

We should be expecting to beat these teams the same way the Old Firm expects to beat us, the difference in wage bill is huge.

Our players on paper have more than enough to beat them.
The gap between us and the old firm is far bigger than the one between us and the teams you are referring too imo .

[jeffers]

As did Lennon , hecky , Ross and Maloney . Part of the problem at the club maybe?

The setup under previous managers are not comparable to the setup we have now. Though all of them have been in charge when we’ve signed a lot of utter dross.

[Donegal Hibby]

We wanted McKirdy before Johnson was here.
This is true :agree:

[JimBHibees]

Or maybe it’s more a case of when results are decent he doesn’t throw the players under the bus, yet after a few bad results he reverts to type, deflects and it’s down to the players again. Some posters getting precious ‘cos he’s been referred to as a snake. His comments about the players, not taking responsibility for his tactics and team selection I’d say that’s a perfectly accurate description of him. If it had only been the one time he’d done this it might be a different story.

Nothing to do with being precious just that the personal digs seem crass and unnecessary.

Agree to an extent about comments about players wouldn't have called Fish challenge naive seems unduly harsh on a guy who was excellent a few games back but like Jeggo and Cj form dipped markedly. Think sometimes calling out players is ok but not as a default after a poor result. Motivation comes from him in the main but after they scored Sunday there was such a poor response. Also our second half start was even worse no intensity aggression nothing until the obvious bigger up front substitution was made. Didn't make any sense.

[JimBHibees]

Also can’t disagree either with that but Johnson’s signings haven’t been good and he’s not managed to even beat bottom of the league this season

We were an injury time equaliser away from losing to them three times.

[GreenGray]

The gap between us and the old firm is far bigger than the one between us and the teams you are referring too imo .

Of course, doesn't change the fact our budget is bigger hence we should be expecting to beat them, especially at home.

[jeffers]

We wanted McKirdy before Johnson was here.

Maybe we did but Johnson definitely wanted him. Left it to the recruitment team to get the signing over the line while he was in hospital. When Swindon moved the goalposts it left Ian Gordon in a difficult position and we ultimately paid over the odds for him.

[jeffers]

Nothing to do with being precious just that the personal digs seem crass and unnecessary.

Agree to an extent about comments about players wouldn't have called Fish challenge naive seems unduly harsh on a guy who was excellent a few games back but like Jeggo and Cj form dipped markedly. Think sometimes calling out players is ok but not as a default after a poor result. Motivation comes from him in the main but after they scored Sunday there was such a poor response. Also our second half start was even worse no intensity aggression nothing until the obvious bigger up front substitution was made. Didn't make any sense.

And that’s one of my big issues with Johnson. By all means tell players some home truths behind closed doors, but doing it in public on a consistent basis is bad management imo. He basically said that players aren’t good enough despite him being in charge when we brought in a decent number of them.

[ehf]

I was kind of hoping they might station him out in Mumbai or something

Pluto United have a managerial vacancy.

[Donegal Hibby]

The setup under previous managers are not comparable to the setup we have now. Though all of them have been in charge when we’ve signed a lot of utter dross.
Yes your right the set up isn't comparable under previous manager's it's gradually got worse since Alan Stubbs time and is probably at its worse now . We have signed some good players in that time though I agree lots have been poor which as cost four managers there job and probably maybe a 5th .

We can't keep repeatedly sacking managers and hoping to get one that's going to change our fortune's when the main root of the problem is still at the club and isn't going away no matter who's in charge. The recruitment process at the club has to be looked at and sorted out ASAP. I shutter to think what it's cost the club in compensation to managers up to now.

[Ozyhibby]

I don’t think he will be sacked now until the summer. The ownership of the club will need to be sorted first I imagine.


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[Bobby's Cinema]

Can't believe we are sticking with this guy. We are going to fall further behind Aberdeen and Hearts financially if/when they qualify for Europe and we don't and Johnson is the main culprit for that failure imo.
Disagree. Recruitment is the key and ours has been awful and left us so short in a number of positions.
He's been left very limited with the hand he has to play. Even left unable to play a preferred system because the players we've brought to the club aren't even deemed good enough to bring on during an injury crisis (Jair).

IMO we have a starting XI with everyone fit that is capable of top 4. But we've been miles away from that for a long time and have a squad that is not good enough.

The players have also got to take responsibility for the terrible inconsistency (several runs of multiple wins followed by multiple losses). They've shown the form they can have in flashes, why can't it be maintained more often?

My biggest gripe under LJ is the fact our standards seem to be plummeting and he often writes off or explains away the conceding of multiple goals in a match as if not a concern. And games against the OF/ hearts as if not truly expecting to win them. The Motherwell game was also a worrying sign - with the line-up of 3 non-creative sitting midfielders and asking Lewy and Cadden to do an impossible shift up and down. Are we not learning from mistakes? But again that could come back to recruitment.

I want it to work but it has to improve. Needs some results before the season ends.

[Heisenberg]

Maybe we did but Johnson definitely wanted him. Left it to the recruitment team to get the signing over the line while he was in hospital. When Swindon moved the goalposts it left Ian Gordon in a difficult position and we ultimately paid over the odds for him.

You said he was a Johnson target and were using it as a stick to beat him with. He wasn’t initially. The club were well aware of and interested in McKirdy before LJ arrived, making him a Maloney/Ian Gordon target. Now he could have found us a better player, on current evidence that wouldn’t have been hard, but it’s difficult to try and pin McKirdy solely on him.

There’s plenty other stuff he should be heavily criticised for.

[Dashing Bob S]

It’s the old story: you can’t totally pin it on either Johnson or the players. But I suspect both aren’t good enough more even modest success in Scotland.

[jeffers]

You said he was a Johnson target and were using it as a stick to beat him with. He wasn’t initially. The club were well aware of and interested in McKirdy before LJ arrived, making him a Maloney/Ian Gordon target. Now he could have found us a better player, on current evidence that wouldn’t have been hard, but it’s difficult to try and pin McKirdy solely on him.

There’s plenty other stuff he should be heavily criticised for.

He was a Johnson target though and his primary one at the end of that window and IG knew that, whether we were looking at him previously or not Johnson wanted him.

[GreenGray]

Disagree. Recruitment is the key and ours has been awful and left us so short in a number of positions.
He's been left very limited with the hand he has to play. Even left unable to play a preferred system because the players we've brought to the club aren't even deemed good enough to bring on during an injury crisis (Jair).

IMO we have a starting XI with everyone fit that is capable of top 4. But we've been miles away from that for a long time and have a squad that is not good enough.

The players have also got to take responsibility for the terrible inconsistency (several runs of multiple wins followed by multiple losses). They've shown the form they can have in flashes, why can't it be maintained more often?

My biggest gripe under LJ is the fact our standards seem to be plummeting and he often writes off or explains away the conceding of multiple goals in a match as if not a concern. And games against the OF/ hearts as if not truly expecting to win them. The Motherwell game was also a worrying sign - with the line-up of 3 non-creative sitting midfielders and asking Lewy and Cadden to do an impossible shift up and down. Are we not learning from mistakes? But again that could come back to recruitment.

I want it to work but it has to improve. Needs some results before the season ends.

He had this exact squad going on good runs of form so don't tell me they aren't capable.

Yes we have had injuries, but if you cannot beat some of the teams we have lost to, with our squad then you don't deserve to be Hibs manager imo.

You mention the Motherwell game, that selection alone tells you all you need to know about him.

[mcfly]

Disagree. Recruitment is the key and ours has been awful and left us so short in a number of positions.
He's been left very limited with the hand he has to play. Even left unable to play a preferred system because the players we've brought to the club aren't even deemed good enough to bring on during an injury crisis (Jair).

IMO we have a starting XI with everyone fit that is capable of top 4. But we've been miles away from that for a long time and have a squad that is not good enough.

The players have also got to take responsibility for the terrible inconsistency (several runs of multiple wins followed by multiple losses). They've shown the form they can have in flashes, why can't it be maintained more often?

My biggest gripe under LJ is the fact our standards seem to be plummeting and he often writes off or explains away the conceding of multiple goals in a match as if not a concern. And games against the OF/ hearts as if not truly expecting to win them. The Motherwell game was also a worrying sign - with the line-up of 3 non-creative sitting midfielders and asking Lewy and Cadden to do an impossible shift up and down. Are we not learning from mistakes? But again that could come back to recruitment.

I want it to work but it has to improve. Needs some results before the season ends.

Disagree totally.

A good manager can get a team organised and get some consistency
This guy is known for a couple of wins them 4-5 defeats

He talks utter rubbish, and in no way galvanises the support with his boring rhetoric and phrases he uses.

He’s a loser and we are going no where with this guy.

I can’t believe we are no further forward in 3 seasons. So much money wasted for another season to fizzle out to nothing.

He should have been removed after the 2 hammerings in a week to hearts

Lose this weekend and he must be removed…..

[Bobby's Cinema]

He had this exact squad going on good runs of form so don't tell me they aren't capable.

Yes we have had injuries, but if you cannot beat some of the teams we have lost to, with our squad then you don't deserve to be Hibs manager imo.

You mention the Motherwell game, that selection alone tells you all you need to know about him.
I agree if you read my post. But if you follow up 3/ 4 wins with the same number of defeats on multiple occasions in the one season you surely have to look at the mentality and individual performance levels of the players. Particularly when so many of the goals have been avoidable individual errors.

Recruitment in the summer is what we need to get right. LJ has got to know the strengths and weaknesses inside out, he should be the man best placed to get the summer to assess the squad and make the necessary changes.

I don't think changing the manager is the answer at this time. The manager always takes the responsibility but fundamentally for me It's the recruitment and sub-standard playing squad we've assembled.

[GreenGray]

I agree if you read my post. But if you follow up 3/ 4 wins with the same number of defeats on multiple occasions in the one season you surely have to look at the mentality and individual performance levels of the players. Particularly when so many of the goals have been avoidable individual errors.

Recruitment in the summer is what we need to get right. LJ has got to know the strengths and weaknesses inside out, he should be the man best placed to get the summer to assess the squad and make the necessary changes.

I don't think changing the manager is the answer at this time. The manager always takes the responsibility but fundamentally for me It's the recruitment and sub-standard playing squad we've assembled.

Simply not having it, these players are more than capable at beating certain teams and finishing at the very least 5th.

Manager is ultimately the man to blame, look at the bounce other teams have had following changing managers.

We were never going to win the games at home to Motherwell, Ross County or Dundee United with the way we set up.

[Donegal Hibby]

Simply not having it, these players are more than capable at beating certain teams and finishing at the very least 5th.

Manager is ultimately the man to blame, look at the bounce other teams have had following changing managers.

We were never going to win the games at home to Motherwell, Ross County or Dundee United with the way we set up.
You mean these players have all suddenly became better after finishing 8th last season and are capable of beating certain teams even though we lost to them quite a bit last season. Ultimately the manager always pays even when a football clubs been getting things badly wrong .

[GreenGray]

You mean these players have all suddenly became better after finishing 8th last season and are capable of beating certain teams even though we lost to them quite a bit last season. Ultimately the manager always pays even when a football clubs been getting things badly wrong .

We have a better squad than last season with more options.

[Donegal Hibby]

We have a better squad than last season with more options.
Funny I thought the bulk of the squad was the same as last season with a lot of players signed both under Maloney and LJ that were poor and this was duely admitted to by Ben kensell that the club had made mistake's . Thanks for correcting me on that 👍

[Paulie Walnuts]

Funny I thought the bulk of the squad was the same as last season with a lot of players signed both under Maloney and LJ that were poor and this was duely admitted to by Ben kensell that the club had made mistake's . Thanks for correcting me on that 👍

You’re kidding yourself on if you don’t think this squad is better than the second half of last seasons. Have a look at Maloneys last game and look at what he had available then try tell us this seasons squad is as bad.

Johnson has been heavily backed compared to Maloney. Still ***** squad mind you, but significantly better.

[Stuart93]

Funny I thought the bulk of the squad was the same as last season with a lot of players signed both under Maloney and LJ that were poor and this was duely admitted to by Ben kensell that the club had made mistake's . Thanks for correcting me on that 👍

The club spoke about making mistakes in the summer yet done next to **** all to address them in January.

Some people actually claimed we were better FOR letting one of our best players leave.

Then again, some people will look at anything the club does with ultimate cheery positivity 😉

[One Day Soon]

The club spoke about making mistakes in the summer yet done next to **** all to address them in January.

Some people actually claimed we were better FOR letting one of our best players leave.

Then again, some people will look at anything the club does with ultimate cheery positivity 😉


Hard agree.

[HoboHarry]

The club spoke about making mistakes in the summer yet done next to **** all to address them in January.

Some people actually claimed we were better FOR letting one of our best players leave.

Then again, some people will look at anything the club does with ultimate cheery positivity 😉
Any manager will tell you that the January window is difficult to do business in but you probably already know that.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Any manager will tell you that the January window is difficult to do business in but you probably already know that.

It’s not really a good enough excuse though, is it?

If the club **** up in the summer then it’s on them to salvage the season with a good January window. Making an arse of the January one as well and butchering yet another season after making the same mistakes last season isn’t good enough.

[B.H.F.C]

Any manager will tell you that the January window is difficult to do business in but you probably already know that.

Lee Johnson on record multiple times talking about it being a good window for us though.

[Callum_62]

Lee Johnson on record multiple times talking about it being a good window for us though.From the end of Jan we did take 13 points from 15 leading into the OF games

So it was looking like January did help us

I mind some post on here saying Porteous mightve been a bad influence etc



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[GreenGray]

Funny I thought the bulk of the squad was the same as last season with a lot of players signed both under Maloney and LJ that were poor and this was duely admitted to by Ben kensell that the club had made mistake's . Thanks for correcting me on that [emoji106]

Don’t be ridiculous mate, we were going into games with James Scott, Stevenson in midfield and Paul Mcginn last season.

Don’t forget Drey Wright was looking like our best player until his injury.

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[Paulie Walnuts]

Don’t be ridiculous mate, we were going into games with James Scott, Stevenson in midfield and Paul Mcginn last season.

Don’t forget Drey Wright was looking like our best player until his injury.

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Last game of Maloneys tenure our team was:

Macey

Cadden
McGinn
Porteous
Hanlon
Clarke


Stevenson
Doyle Hayes
Newell

Henderson

Scott

Subs came on were Campbell, Mueller, Melkersen and Jasper.

The squad available second half of last season was much worse than this seasons.

[GreenGray]

Last game of Maloneys tenure our team was:

Macey

Cadden
McGinn
Porteous
Hanlon
Clarke


Stevenson
Doyle Hayes
Newell

Henderson

Scott

Subs came on were Campbell, Mueller, Melkersen and Jasper.

The squad available second half of last season was much worse than this seasons.

Exactly, I thought it was obvious but apparently the squad is largely the same


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[Donegal Hibby]

You’re kidding yourself on if you don’t think this squad is better than the second half of last seasons. Have a look at Maloneys last game and look at what he had available then try tell us this seasons squad is as bad.

Johnson has been heavily backed compared to Maloney. Still ***** squad mind you, but significantly better.
The bulk of the squad is the same imo and until we can move them on its still as bad as last season .we have tried to move on players and been lucky with Mitchell.

We did try with Henderson and JDH though both are on a lengthy contracts and not easy to move on . Having guys like Henderson and a few others that we can't move on was always going to be our Achilles heel this year . As to Johnson being heavily backed , the recruitments obviously let him down by making mistakes as stated by Ben kensell.

[Donegal Hibby]

Exactly, I thought it was obvious but apparently the squad is largely the same


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3 players in that midfield you realise we are playing this season btw and two of them we have tried to offload in January though maybe you think they have vastly improved this season :greengrin

[Donegal Hibby]

It’s not really a good enough excuse though, is it?

If the club **** up in the summer then it’s on them to salvage the season with a good January window. Making an arse of the January one as well and butchering yet another season after making the same mistakes last season isn’t good enough.
It's not a excuse mate just the plain truth of the matter that the January transfer window is the hardest window and its near impossible to do business in . Teams don't want to lose there best players in it . Manager's are going on about it for ages

[Paulie Walnuts]

It's not a excuse mate just the plain truth of the matter that the January transfer window is the hardest window and its near impossible to do business in . Teams don't want to lose there best players in it . Manager's are going on about it for ages

And yet in the January window in Maloneys time here we lost our one man team.

It is an excuse. Claiming we couldn’t get good players in is a cop out. Johnson didn’t manage to find any along with the recruitment team. It’s their job to find good playersand they failed miserably at it, much like they’ve failed miserably at every other part of their jobs.

[Donegal Hibby]

And yet in the January window in Maloneys time here we lost our one man team.

It is an excuse. Claiming we couldn’t get good players in is a cop out. Johnson didn’t manage to find any along with the recruitment team.
Yes we did lose our best player in January and it's not a cop out or a excuse. Simply because Johnson or Hibs weren't in the same position as the club Boyle went to by offering £3 million quid and over 20 grand a week ( tax free ) sort of money . You can get players in January though usually you'd have to pay well over the value to get them and even at that normally the club would probably want to hang on to there better players . Don't know how much was offered but we didn't want Campbell or Nisbet to go in January either.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Yes we did lose our best player in January and it's not a cop out or a excuse. Simply because Johnson or Hibs weren't in the same position as the club Boyle went to by offering £3 million quid and over 20 grand a week ( tax free ) sort of money . You can get players in January though usually you'd have to pay well over the value to get them and even at that normally the club would probably want to hang on to there better players . Don't know how much was offered but we didn't want Campbell or Nisbet to go in January either.

It’s the job of Johnson and the recruitment team to sign players. As I said above, if they can’t identify any that are any good then they’re failing at their job, much like Johnson has failed at every other aspect of his job.

[bingo70]

Yes we did lose our best player in January and it's not a cop out or a excuse. Simply because Johnson or Hibs weren't in the same position as the club Boyle went to by offering £3 million quid and over 20 grand a week ( tax free ) sort of money . You can get players in January though usually you'd have to pay well over the value to get them and even at that normally the club would probably want to hang on to there better players . Don't know how much was offered but we didn't want Campbell or Nisbet to go in January either.

I remember in the January transfer window when Lennon was here we signed Kamberi and McLaren and it made a huge difference to our season.

There’s still players to be signed, it’s just harder to find them in January.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I remember in the January transfer window when Lennon was here we signed Kamberi and McLaren and it made a huge difference to our season.

There’s still players to be signed, it’s just harder to find them in January.

:agree:

Good managers and recruitment teams will find them. Incompetent ones will sign more dross to complement the dross they previously brought in.

[GreenGray]

3 players in that midfield you realise we are playing this season btw and two of them we have tried to offload in January though maybe you think they have vastly improved this season :greengrin

Our squad is in a better place this season than last, and has had a lot of investment, no doubt.


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[Paulie Walnuts]

Exactly, I thought it was obvious but apparently the squad is largely the same


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:agree:

McGinn is out of position, Clarke is out of position and our 35 year old left back is playing centre mid. Of the other players, 5 of the remaining 12 players playing that day in Henderson, Scott, Mueller, Melkersen and Jasper would have a shout of making our worst squad since relegation.

It was a horrific squad and one which threw Maloney under the bus.

[Tyler Durden]

:agree:

McGinn is out of position, Clarke is out of position and our 35 year old left back is playing centre mid. Of the other players, 5 of the remaining 12 players playing that day in Henderson, Scott, Mueller, Melkersen and Jasper would have a shout of making our worst squad since relegation.

It was a horrific squad and one which threw Maloney under the bus.


I agree it was worse but Maloney takes some blame in the same way Johnson should

Maloney brought in Henderson. Caldwell was the driving force behind Mitchell he claims. Did Maloney have input on Rocky? He’s not blameless.

Have to say that when Johnson came in I was convinced we’d see a few good experienced players from Championship/League 1. Yet to materialise

[Paulie Walnuts]

I agree it was worse but Maloney takes some blame in the same way Johnson should

Maloney brought in Henderson. Caldwell was the driving force behind Mitchell he claims. Did Maloney have input on Rocky? He’s not blameless.

Have to say that when Johnson came in I was convinced we’d see a few good experienced players from Championship/League 1. Yet to materialise

Maloney does take some blame, absolutely, but I reckon he gets a bit more slack when he only got the one January window and had Boyle who was absolutely carrying the whole team sold the minute he walked in the door. He was left scrambling trying to replace him within 3 games of arriving.

Johnson has been heavily backed compared to Maloney and has also had 2 windows. He was also given back our one man team as one of his signings.

Our squad this year is significantly stronger than the back end of last seasons squad. For our results to still be every bit as bad is criminal.

[jacomo]

I agree it was worse but Maloney takes some blame in the same way Johnson should

Maloney brought in Henderson. Caldwell was the driving force behind Mitchell he claims. Did Maloney have input on Rocky? He’s not blameless.

Have to say that when Johnson came in I was convinced we’d see a few good experienced players from Championship/League 1. Yet to materialise


Maloney was hopeless, bless him.

[Donegal Hibby]

Our squad is in a better place this season than last, and has had a lot of investment, no doubt.


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Still 3 players that are playing in midfield from last season's team that finished 8th and two of which we tried to offload ! That almost a third of your outfield players btw :wink:

[Donegal Hibby]

It’s the job of Johnson and the recruitment team to sign players. As I said above, if they can’t identify any that are any good then they’re failing at their job, much like Johnson has failed at every other aspect of his job.
You obviously know more on it than me , I'd have thought the manager would say what type of player he needed and the recruitment team would then identify players to recruit. Who actually does the signing I don't know. Your still not accepting the facts that every manager will tell you it's the toughest window to do business in . I personally don't blame LJ for the January window as I know it's a tough one though I'm sure the anti- LJ club will though :wink:


:agree:

McGinn is out of position, Clarke is out of position and our 35 year old left back is playing centre mid. Of the other players, 5 of the remaining 12 players playing that day in Henderson, Scott, Mueller, Melkersen and Jasper would have a shout of making our worst squad since relegation.

It was a horrific squad and one which threw Maloney under the bus.
Recruitment was poor . Henderson was given a 3 year deal and Mitchell signed under Maloney's short reign , was it Maloney or the recruitment team that signed these players ( I honestly don't know ) though our current manager has been left with that mess also , he has tried and moved Mitchell out , melkersen on loan and accepted bids for both JDH and Henderson but both decided to stay , it's hard to move players out that were given long contracts. Fish right back , Porto midfield ( much the same as Maloney had to do ) . Recruitment has been poor for years imo

[jacomo]

Seems to me like we did pretty well on recruitment overall after putting the ‘football department’ in place in 2014.

Then we dismantled that system after what was perceived to be a bad transfer window and have struggled since.

This doesn’t make the manager’s job any easier, although certain ambitious, obsessive coaches like McLeish or Mowbray have proved able to do that job themselves.

[ehf]

You obviously know more on it than me , I'd have thought the manager would say what type of player he needed and the recruitment team would then identify players to recruit. Who actually does the signing I don't know. Your still not accepting the facts that every manager will tell you it's the toughest window to do business in . I personally don't blame LJ for the January window as I know it's a tough one though I'm sure the anti- LJ club will though :wink:


Recruitment was poor . Henderson was given a 3 year deal and Mitchell signed under Maloney's short reign , was it Maloney or the recruitment team that signed these players ( I honestly don't know ) though our current manager has been left with that mess also , he has tried and moved Mitchell out , melkersen on loan and accepted bids for both JDH and Henderson but both decided to stay , it's hard to move players out that were given long contracts. Fish right back , Porto midfield ( much the same as Maloney had to do ) . Recruitment has been poor for years imo

OK, you’re right; Johnson is a genius, and we’re lucky to have him.

[Donegal Hibby]

OK, you’re right; Johnson is a genius, and we’re lucky to have him.
I'm neither claiming to be right or calling LJ a genius, I just have a different opinion on it than some of you which I think includes you due to the hint of sarcasm in your post . :rolleyes:

[heretoday]

If Hibs lose the derby he'll be sacked.

[Since452]

If Hibs lose the derby he'll be sacked.

I tend to agree. Whether I agree with it or not doesn't matter but once fans turn there rarely any way back for a manager.

[Trinity Hibee]

If Hibs lose the derby he'll be sacked.

Has to go if we lose the derby.

[bingo70]

Has to go if we lose the derby.

Fear not, we are treating this weekend like a cup final so I suspect it’s highly unlikely we will lose such a big game 😜

[Trinity Hibee]

Fear not, we are treating this weekend like a cup final so I suspect it’s highly unlikely we will lose such a big game 😜

😂

[Smartie]

Fear not, we are treating this weekend like a cup final so I suspect it’s highly unlikely we will lose such a big game 😜

Treating it like a cup final, eh?

I suppose today we’re probably spending most of the day bickering about bonuses then.

[number9dream]

If Hibs lose the derby he'll be sacked.

Who would make that decision?
Ben K might be terrified of the chop too following a second dreadful appointment.
Ron’s son & wife? They may well have a lot on their plates at a very difficult time.
Malcolm MacPherson and other non execs? What power do they have?

[ehf]

Fear not, we are treating this weekend like a cup final so I suspect it’s highly unlikely we will lose such a big game 😜

Heard Johnson’s masterplan is to get Stokesy back on a short-term deal and register SDG to play.

[McGruber]

If Hibs lose the derby he'll be sacked.

No he won't. He's just moved the 'judge me' period from 12 games to 100-150 games in his SAS football PTSD drivel.

Last time out when the wolves were circling we had the DOF deflection tactic. This time round we look to be going with the longevity line.

There can be no way that he fails to make top 6 this season, after having fallen at the first hurdle in both cups and battered in the derbys that he can survive. Top 6 is absolute minimum criteria. To go 9 losses in 11 then current run of 4 defeats.. and counting and still be in top 6 mix shows how poor the league has been this year yet we are making a right fist of mucking it up

[GreenCastle]

If Hibs lose the derby he'll be sacked.

Don’t think he will as we will possibly still top 6.

Has 3 targets..

League cup - failed big time - embarrassing exit.
Scottish cup - latter stages - failed by losing to main rivals at home
Top 6 in a league where 3 out of the 5 teams above us have now sacked their manager.

The target for any Hibs manager should be top 4. He should also be told to win derbies - going though a season not winning a derby should be sackable especially if you lose 2 or 3 of them.

Get away from the club culture of top 6 is just fine and start taking the derbies more seriously - not just another game.

[GreenGray]

Don’t think he will as we will possibly still top 6.

Has 3 targets..

League cup - failed big time - embarrassing exit.
Scottish cup - latter stages - failed by losing to main rivals at home
Top 6 in a league where 3 out of the 5 teams above us have now sacked their manager.

The target for any Hibs manager should be top 4. He should also be told to win derbies - going though a season not winning a derby should be sackable especially if you lose 2 or 3 of them.

Get away from the club culture of top 6 is just fine and start taking the derbies more seriously - not just another game.

I’d imagine he has another target to develop youth as well which he has failed at as well despite having ample opportunities to at least give them game time.


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[Trinity Hibee]

Don’t think he will as we will possibly still top 6.

Has 3 targets..

League cup - failed big time - embarrassing exit.
Scottish cup - latter stages - failed by losing to main rivals at home
Top 6 in a league where 3 out of the 5 teams above us have now sacked their manager.

The target for any Hibs manager should be top 4. He should also be told to win derbies - going though a season not winning a derby should be sackable especially if you lose 2 or 3 of them.

Get away from the club culture of top 6 is just fine and start taking the derbies more seriously - not just another game.

*Scottish cup was exit at the first round we entered not latter stages

[Chip shop Joe]

I see that LJ is taking about using his experience with the SAS to help him at the weekend! He must be a reporters dream with the amount of crap he talks! I really wish he would button it.

[Libby Hibby]

I see that LJ is taking about using his experience with the SAS to help him at the weekend! He must be a reporters dream with the amount of crap he talks! I really wish he would button it.

What a 🤡

[GreenGray]

I see that LJ is taking about using his experience with the SAS to help him at the weekend! He must be a reporters dream with the amount of crap he talks! I really wish he would button it.

Would an SAS team leader pile the blame on their team the way he did to his players on Sunday?


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[Greenio]

I see that LJ is taking about using his experience with the SAS to help him at the weekend! He must be a reporters dream with the amount of crap he talks! I really wish he would button it.

I used to think that, but now I actually think its refreshing to have a manager that just speaks without too much concern on how people will view him or what people will say about it. He does wear his heart on his sleeve and, while thats far from the way I roll, I can see it being a useful attribute in the gig he's in. At least he says whats on his mind and not the usual scripted ***** you get from 95% of managers

[Smartie]

I see that LJ is taking about using his experience with the SAS to help him at the weekend! He must be a reporters dream with the amount of crap he talks! I really wish he would button it.

Whilst I don't care much for the David Brent criticisms, is it fair to point out that he's starting to stray into Gareth Keenan territory here?

[mcfly]

I used to think that, but now I actually think its refreshing to have a manager that just speaks without too much concern on how people will view him or what people will say about it. He does wear his heart on his sleeve and, while thats far from the way I roll, I can see it being a useful attribute in the gig he's in. At least he says whats on his mind and not the usual scripted ***** you get from 95% of managers


🙈🙈🙈

[mcfly]

Simple fact is if hibs don’t win on Saturday then Johnson should not be the manager anylonger.

If hibs were diligent in contract talks and learnt anything about recent mistakes then Johnson should have targets in his contract. Fail to achieve them is grounds to dismiss

League cup - fail
Scottish cup - fail
Top 4 - fail
European football - fail

Might scrape top 6 is not success

[Chip shop Joe]

I used to think that, but now I actually think its refreshing to have a manager that just speaks without too much concern on how people will view him or what people will say about it. He does wear his heart on his sleeve and, while thats far from the way I roll, I can see it being a useful attribute in the gig he's in. At least he says whats on his mind and not the usual scripted ***** you get from 95% of managers

Tbh I would much prefer the scripted nonsense to this. What good does it do anyone.

The players must think what kind of crap is he going to come out with next, which cannot be a good thing. It is also an article about getting over defeat
when (if he really must mention his SAS training) it really should be about preparation/killer instinct (in a football sense) to win a very big game.

[SaulGoodman]

Maybe we could all get some SAS training to get through the torture of watching his team.

What about a new chant where we all shout our surnames and seat number.

[Alfred E Newman]

Maybe we could all get some SAS training to get through the torture of watching his team.

What about a new chant where we all shout our surnames and seat number.
🤣🤣🤣

[BILLYHIBS]

If we lose on Saturday he should be carried out on his shield

[Hibbyradge]

Would an SAS team leader pile the blame on their team the way he did to his players on Sunday?


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Undoubtedly.

If they had f""**d up as badly as our team did, they'd be absolutely hammered for it.

[Hiber-nation]

He seems to have this image of himself as a modern day Brian Clough.

[7Hero]

The only people in the game who don't think he is a clown are employed at easter road, to get through an interview in the first place and hold on for this long really does show up the upper management at the club.

[eastmainsmsh]

The only people in the game who don't think he is a clown are employed at easter road, to get through an interview in the first place and hold on for this long really does show up the upper management at the club.

The club on the field and recruitment has been dire since Lennon left and his last few months were indifferent

[Northernhibee]

I used to think that, but now I actually think its refreshing to have a manager that just speaks without too much concern on how people will view him or what people will say about it. He does wear his heart on his sleeve and, while thats far from the way I roll, I can see it being a useful attribute in the gig he's in. At least he says whats on his mind and not the usual scripted ***** you get from 95% of managers
We’ll never have another boss like him, who’s basically a chilled out entertainer.

[Northernhibee]

The club on the field and recruitment has been dire since Lennon left and his last few months were indifferent
Since Stubbs. We had the best midfield in Scotland in 2016 and although Lennon did have a handful of decent signings we managed to dismantle a highly promising team depressingly quickly and replace it with dross.

The worrying thing is that it’s not like at the worst of the Petrie times when it came from a lack of spending, we’ve spent, and appear to be continuing to spend, an absolute fortune on it.

[bingo70]

I used to think that, but now I actually think its refreshing to have a manager that just speaks without too much concern on how people will view him or what people will say about it. He does wear his heart on his sleeve and, while thats far from the way I roll, I can see it being a useful attribute in the gig he's in. At least he says whats on his mind and not the usual scripted ***** you get from 95% of managers

What’s on his mind is self preservation. Who can he blame to take the heat off him? That’s not an admirable trait for a leader. He should be taking the hits for his team in public and then dealing with underperforming players privately (however that may look, whether it’s a kick up the arse or a cuddle).

When discussing what went wrong managers can’t step to one side and point at players and just say it’s their fault, that might be a quick solution when in front of a camera but it’s not going to get the best out of players or get the respect of them.

[sauzeelegod]

We’ll never have another boss like him, who’s basically a chilled out entertainer.

😂

[eastmainsmsh]

Since Stubbs. We had the best midfield in Scotland in 2016 and although Lennon did have a handful of decent signings we managed to dismantle a highly promising team depressingly quickly and replace it with dross.

The worrying thing is that it’s not like at the worst of the Petrie times when it came from a lack of spending, we’ve spent, and appear to be continuing to spend, an absolute fortune on it.

Wouldn't be against Stubbs coming back agree we were a joy to watch at times club legend

[NC1875]

He’s an absolute clown and even an unlikely win on Saturday is just papering over the cracks.

I’d take a defeat right now if I knew it meant he would be gone.

But then the bigger clown Kensell would just replace him with utter garbage again.

Sorry state of affairs as always with Hibs

[.Sean.]

He’s an absolute clown and even an unlikely win on Saturday is just papering over the cracks.

I’d take a defeat right now if I knew it meant he would be gone.

But then the bigger clown Kensell would just replace him with utter garbage again.

Sorry state of affairs as always with Hibs
Completely agree he’s a clown and he should have been out a job many moons ago but I just don’t get it when folk say they’d take a defeat in a derby. What is the point in even turning up to Easter Road and supporting the team if in the back of your mind you’re thinking ‘here, it’s no all bad if we get beat the day’ :confused:

We all know he’s on borrowed time as it is anyway and if by some miracle we do win on Saturday and we do get top six IMO we’ll be the cannon fodder in there with the way things currently are and we won’t be near the top 4 and Europe anyway - and that in itself will see him out a job (hopefully)

[B.H.F.C]

He’s an absolute clown and even an unlikely win on Saturday is just papering over the cracks.

I’d take a defeat right now if I knew it meant he would be gone.

But then the bigger clown Kensell would just replace him with utter garbage again.

Sorry state of affairs as always with Hibs

Sorry state of affairs indeed when a Hibs supporter would take a defeat from Hearts.

[B.H.F.C]

Completely agree he’s a clown and he should have been out a job many moons ago but I just don’t get it when folk say they’d take a defeat in a derby. What is the point in even turning up to Easter Road and supporting the team if in the back of your mind you’re thinking ‘here, it’s no all bad if we get beat the day’ :confused:

We all know he’s on borrowed time as it is anyway and if by some miracle we do win on Saturday and we do get top six IMO we’ll be the cannon fodder in there with the way things currently are and we won’t be near the top 4 and Europe anyway - and that in itself will see him out a job (hopefully)

Fifth will also get a European place providing Rangers or Celtic win the cup (which they will). However pish we are (and we are pish) I’d rather we win a few games between now and the end of the season and got a European place than not. Think he will be here next season irrespective of what happens next few weeks so hopefully we just gather enough points to have something to show come the end of the season.

[flash]

Sorry state of affairs indeed when a Hibs supporter would take a defeat from Hearts.

They are few and far between as it is without wishing them away!

[worcesterhibby]

To be honest I'm sick of people calling for managers heads and never gving people a proper chance. You look at the season Sheffield Utd have had and it's pretty obvious that Heckingbottom is a good manager, we got rid of him far too early..most people agree that we got rid of Jack Ross too early (once he had gone and we were stuck with Maloney) and now this place is full of people calling for out latest manager to get the shove before he's had a full season in charge. Rome wasn't built in a day, the club motto is Persevere

our injury record has been horrendous this year
the recruitment that Lee was stuck with at the start of the year was poor
refereeing decisions have beed atrocious against us

Giving a manager time to get things right will serve us better than swapping and changing every six months.

[bingo70]

To be honest I'm sick of people calling for managers heads and never gving people a proper chance. You look at the season Sheffield Utd have had and it's pretty obvious that Heckingbottom is a good manager, we got rid of him far too early..most people agree that we got rid of Jack Ross too early (once he had gone and we were stuck with Maloney) and now this place is full of people calling for out latest manager to get the shove before he's had a full season in charge. Rome wasn't built in a day, the club motto is Persevere

our injury record has been horrendous this year
the recruitment that Lee was stuck with at the start of the year was poor
refereeing decisions have beed atrocious against us

Giving a manager time to get things right will serve us better than swapping and changing every six months.

Fair play to you for sticking your head above the parapet as there’s not many LJ supporters left.

I’m not a fan but if I was the one signing off on his severance payment I wouldn’t sack him just now, win on Saturday we are unbelievably right back in the mix for a European place.

The only thing I don’t get about opinions like yours is that do you really think managers should have absolutely no short term accountability and should just get time regardless of how bad a job they’re doing? As it stands right now he has failed at every aspect of his job, including recruitment btw despite his best efforts to blame others for that (remember he took the credit for them when he thought they would be good).

I get the logic for giving managers time, it just has to be along with some short term progress as well.

[HFC93]

Would be a good laugh if we actually win on Saturday.

[Just_Jimmy]

To be honest I'm sick of people calling for managers heads and never gving people a proper chance. You look at the season Sheffield Utd have had and it's pretty obvious that Heckingbottom is a good manager, we got rid of him far too early..most people agree that we got rid of Jack Ross too early (once he had gone and we were stuck with Maloney) and now this place is full of people calling for out latest manager to get the shove before he's had a full season in charge. Rome wasn't built in a day, the club motto is Persevere

our injury record has been horrendous this year
the recruitment that Lee was stuck with at the start of the year was poor
refereeing decisions have beed atrocious against us

Giving a manager time to get things right will serve us better than swapping and changing every six months.Pumped out the league Cup
Pumped repeatedly by hearts
Dumped out the Scottish Cup in first round we played in, at home... by hearts
Pumped against the old firm
8 out 11 wins against 10 men
9 defeats in 15.

Never mind getting rid too early, let's consider how this absolutely charlatan is still here when he should have been emptied after the two Derby defeats in a short period.

He's a total fraud.

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[JohnM1875]

Would be a good laugh if we actually win on Saturday.

Completely done with LJ as a manager and want rid of him. But there's no chance in hell I'd want to lose to them just to make it happen. I hope we give them an absolute pumping.

[WhileTheChief..]

We all want Hibs to beat Hearts, and nearly all of us want LJ replaced.

There’s a few fans on here who would keep him and think everyone else is wrong but that’s about it.

[theonlywayisup]

To be honest I'm sick of people calling for managers heads and never gving people a proper chance. You look at the season Sheffield Utd have had and it's pretty obvious that Heckingbottom is a good manager, we got rid of him far too early..most people agree that we got rid of Jack Ross too early (once he had gone and we were stuck with Maloney) and now this place is full of people calling for out latest manager to get the shove before he's had a full season in charge. Rome wasn't built in a day, the club motto is Persevere

our injury record has been horrendous this year
the recruitment that Lee was stuck with at the start of the year was poor
refereeing decisions have beed atrocious against us

Giving a manager time to get things right will serve us better than swapping and changing every six months.

I think we're in the minority, but I agree with your view.

Jack Ross was seriously undermined by the failure to recruit well after he managed to achieve 3rd place in the league. We needed to recruit better down the spine of the team, but ended up with a young kid and James Scott. We failed to address the lack of quality in midfield.

To sack Jack Ross and replace him with a novice manager and then sell our best player (Boyle), release experienced professionals (Gogic/Halberg) and replace with kids was a shocking decision. Maloney obviously had a vision of how he wanted his teams to play football, but didn't have the players for that style.

We recruited LJ, who I don't believe knew he was coming to Scotland to manage a bunch of misfits who many had never played football at good standard before. We've still not recruited a reliable experienced central defender, which was badly needed when we achieved 3rd place in the league. Our midfield still lacks quality. The quality at full back positions is a lot worse. We're now in major rebuild mode.

All the above at a time when the standard of Scottish Football below the top two is very poor. All we needed was to build on the decent platform of 3rd place in the league and we could have had three third place finishes on the trot.

Don't get me wrong, I won't shred any tears if LJ is sacked, but we can't keep sacking managers every 6-9 months.

[Carheenlea]

As much as it’s becoming harder to defend LJ with each bad result, I have to admit to liking the guy and really want him to succeed. I find the “Brentisms” part of the charm and a bit light relief from the traditional monotone managerial dullard speak that Scottish Football is awash with.

I’m still hanging on to the belief that he can be a success at Hibs, or at least no worse than the standard manager for our level that we’d be in the market for in the event of his departure.

[Tambo]

Is LJ hiring the SAS to take out a few players during the game as the red cards have been drying up? 😃

We have played some good attacking good football at times and seemed to get the ball up the field as quick as possible early on in the season.

Recently it's so slow football and so predictable for the opposition but still hope for a good end of season.

95% of the hope thinks otherwise and a poor start on Saturday will lead to a very angry Easter Road.

[Greenio]

Tbh I would much prefer the scripted nonsense to this. What good does it do anyone.

The players must think what kind of crap is he going to come out with next, which cannot be a good thing. It is also an article about getting over defeat
when (if he really must mention his SAS training) it really should be about preparation/killer instinct (in a football sense) to win a very big game.

You'd prefer scripted nonsense?

Why?

What good does it do?

[Greenio]

What’s on his mind is self preservation. Who can he blame to take the heat off him? That’s not an admirable trait for a leader. He should be taking the hits for his team in public and then dealing with underperforming players privately (however that may look, whether it’s a kick up the arse or a cuddle).

When discussing what went wrong managers can’t step to one side and point at players and just say it’s their fault, that might be a quick solution when in front of a camera but it’s not going to get the best out of players or get the respect of them.

I'm going to assume here, but you've no idea what his man management is like with the players or how he's going about speaking to them personally.

Sometimes managers take the blame other times they highlights on field performances...been that way for ages


I think LJ has a decent balance between the two as and, from what I've observed, he's done alright to be a boss that can put a fair balance to both needs.

[bingo70]

I'm going to assume here, but you've no idea what his man management is like with the players or how he's going about speaking to them personally.

Sometimes managers take the blame other times they highlights on field performances...been that way for ages


I think LJ has a decent balance between the two as and, from what I've observed, he's done alright to be a boss that can put a fair balance to both needs.

Fair points.

Argument against it would be how difficult he finds it to get us out of a losing streak, that suggests to me he’s no great after a loss, whether that’s in terms of picking players up or being overly critical or maybe even too nice to them, as you say, I’ve no idea what he does, whatever it is, doesn’t work though. These long losing streaks happen too often to him for it to be a coincidence.

[superfurryhibby]

I think we're in the minority, but I agree with your view.

Jack Ross was seriously undermined by the failure to recruit well after he managed to achieve 3rd place in the league. We needed to recruit better down the spine of the team, but ended up with a young kid and James Scott. We failed to address the lack of quality in midfield.

To sack Jack Ross and replace him with a novice manager and then sell our best player (Boyle), release experienced professionals (Gogic/Halberg) and replace with kids was a shocking decision. Maloney obviously had a vision of how he wanted his teams to play football, but didn't have the players for that style.

We recruited LJ, who I don't believe knew he was coming to Scotland to manage a bunch of misfits who many had never played football at good standard before. We've still not recruited a reliable experienced central defender, which was badly needed when we achieved 3rd place in the league. Our midfield still lacks quality. The quality at full back positions is a lot worse. We're now in major rebuild mode.

All the above at a time when the standard of Scottish Football below the top two is very poor. All we needed was to build on the decent platform of 3rd place in the league and we could have had three third place finishes on the trot.

Don't get me wrong, I won't shred any tears if LJ is sacked, but we can't keep sacking managers every 6-9 months.

Good post.

Johnson, like recent previous managers, has been hamstrung by an appalling transfer strategy.

I still question how much influence he carries in terms of players that were signed, no matter what is said in the media ( after all, he is a slaverer).

If we had adequately backed Hecky, Ross or Johnson, we would almost certainly be in a much better position. As it is, it’s missed opportunity after missed opportunity.

The football side of Hibs is a big mess, that lies at the door of the people running the club.

[Hibee Daft]

We still have a slim chance of being 3rd/4th. If he loses against hearts again then he should and i think will be gone.

[Trinity Hibee]

We still have a slim chance of being 3rd/4th. If he loses against hearts again then he should and i think will be gone.

3rd and 4th is gone now. Folk have to wise up to that quickly.

[eastmainsmsh]

The league Cup was poor
Results in league been up and down
Poor recruitment

Was Lee happy to take job and be a yes man

Feel he needs to win on sat

[JimBHibees]

Would an SAS team leader pile the blame on their team the way he did to his players on Sunday?


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Probably have you seen the SAS guys in these shows they are constantly screaming at the recruits. :greengrin

What experience with SAS does he have and consider relevant? Would be funny if he smashed Naismith right enough :greengrin

[JimBHibees]

3rd and 4th is gone now. Folk have to wise up to that quickly.

Not necessarily

[Donegal Hibby]

To be honest I'm sick of people calling for managers heads and never gving people a proper chance. You look at the season Sheffield Utd have had and it's pretty obvious that Heckingbottom is a good manager, we got rid of him far too early..most people agree that we got rid of Jack Ross too early (once he had gone and we were stuck with Maloney) and now this place is full of people calling for out latest manager to get the shove before he's had a full season in charge. Rome wasn't built in a day, the club motto is Persevere

our injury record has been horrendous this year
the recruitment that Lee was stuck with at the start of the year was poor
refereeing decisions have beed atrocious against us

Giving a manager time to get things right will serve us better than swapping and changing every six months.
I agree with everything . Good post :top marks. Sadly we are in the minority and most just want to change the manager even though the manager has had terrible luck with injuries, refereeing decision's and the biggest one of all a recruitment team that has failed not only our current manager but previous ones as well . Some even want to go back and appoint a previous manager ( Lennon) even though he had a bad run and a lot of fans wanted him gone too at that time :rolleyes: . Getting the recruitment side fixed will seriously help the manager imo.

[hibsbollah]

As much as it’s becoming harder to defend LJ with each bad result, I have to admit to liking the guy and really want him to succeed. I find the “Brentisms” part of the charm and a bit light relief from the traditional monotone managerial dullard speak that Scottish Football is awash with.

I’m still hanging on to the belief that he can be a success at Hibs, or at least no worse than the standard manager for our level that we’d be in the market for in the event of his departure.

Brentisms with a sprinkling of Ted Lasso. I think he comes across as quite likeable and I’m baffled by some of the ‘snake’ comments I read on here? I’m losing patience with the results but I don’t have a problem with sticking with him in the hope he’ll learn on the job. If we sack him, so be it. Another in a long line of failures.

[Trinity Hibee]

Not necessarily

If we even make top 6, we’ll presume everyone gets beat by the OF. That leaves 5 games left this season. We could win all 5 and still not get top 4. Aberdeen are 7 ahead with realistically 15pts to play for. It’s done. Last couple of weeks have ruined any chance we had.

I’ll bet we’ll win a maximum of 2 games from now until end of season.

[flash]

If we even make top 6, we’ll presume everyone gets beat by the OF. That leaves 5 games left this season. We could win all 5 and still not get top 4. Aberdeen are 7 ahead with realistically 15pts to play for. It’s done. Last couple of weeks have ruined any chance we had.

I’ll bet we’ll win a maximum of 2 games from now until end of season.

There must surely come a time when you type something read it before pressing the post button, and think nah I won't bother.
I do it all the time so imagine how bad the posts I don't put up must be.

[Trinity Hibee]

There must surely come a time when you type something read it before pressing the post button, and think nah I won't bother.
I do it all the time so imagine how bad the posts I don't put up must be.


Please expand? I’m genuinely curious.

[AugustaHibs]

There must surely come a time when you type something read it before pressing the post button, and think nah I won't bother.
I do it all the time so imagine how bad the posts I don't put up must be.

It’s a fair post imo.

[JimBHibees]

If we even make top 6, we’ll presume everyone gets beat by the OF. That leaves 5 games left this season. We could win all 5 and still not get top 4. Aberdeen are 7 ahead with realistically 15pts to play for. It’s done. Last couple of weeks have ruined any chance we had.

I’ll bet we’ll win a maximum of 2 games from now until end of season.

Win next two games we are right back in it. Then head to heads with teams competing for Europe

[superfurryhibby]

Brentisms with a sprinkling of Ted Lasso. I think he comes across as quite likeable and I’m baffled by some of the ‘snake’ comments I read on here? I’m losing patience with the results but I don’t have a problem with sticking with him in the hope he’ll learn on the job. If we sack him, so be it. Another in a long line of failures.

He comes across as a a decent enough guy to me too. Sure he waffles, but he ‘s a football manager, not Noam Chomsky.

There seems to be a “cringe” factor at work when guys that are typically working class and lack educational attainment are obliged to engage with the media as part of their work.

Sacking him will just carry on the groundhog day feel of our current ownerships approach. Let’s face it, if a manager isn’t adequately backed (Ross second season, Johnson first transfer window) it doesn’t matter who we appoint.

[Trinity Hibee]

Win next two games we are right back in it. Then head to heads with teams competing for Europe

Love the optimism but I absolutely do not share it.

[JimBHibees]

Brentisms with a sprinkling of Ted Lasso. I think he comes across as quite likeable and I’m baffled by some of the ‘snake’ comments I read on here? I’m losing patience with the results but I don’t have a problem with sticking with him in the hope he’ll learn on the job. If we sack him, so be it. Another in a long line of failures.

Agree with that

[flash]

Please expand? I’m genuinely curious.

We are nowhere near out of it.

[JimBHibees]

Love the optimism but I absolutely do not share it.

Appreciate that

[Donegal Hibby]

Good post.

Johnson, like recent previous managers, has been hamstrung by an appalling transfer strategy.

If we had adequately backed Hecky, Ross or Johnson, we would almost certainly be in a much better position. As it is, it’s missed opportunity after missed opportunity.

The football side of Hibs is a big mess, that lies at the door of the people running the club.
The transfer strategy has been appalling for a few years now and indeed the football club is a mess and the blame for it should lie directly at the door of the people running it . Replacing another manager isn't imo going to solve that . LJ is our 4th manager in 4 years and it's costing the club a lot of money , its all very well wanting a new manager though until the root of the problems at our club are sorted it's going to keep happening . It's all getting abit like that film "Groundhog Day" being a Hibs fan these last few years.

[Chip shop Joe]

You'd prefer scripted nonsense?

Why?

What good does it do?

For a start it stops our manager/the club from being a laughing stock!

I am sure he is not the only manager who has ever had guidance/support from elsewhere but he is one of the few that seems to want to tell the world about it, despite the fact that he is doing a sh$t job!

There is a reason you don’t see many other managers taking such crap and that it because it draws attention and when you are playing as badly as we are attention is not a good thing.

He should be keeping his head down and sorting out, at the very least our performances, not providing yet another sound bite!

[bingo70]

We are nowhere near out of it.

It’s crazy but we really aren’t out of it at all, even though it feels like we should be miles off it.

Beat Hearts at the weekend and we’re only 2 points off 4th. Aberdeen and St Mirren both got to play Rangers before the split too.

I also think it’s worth remembering a lot of us would have taken 5th place this season if offered at the start, given how bad we were last year I know I would have.

I don’t think we will beat Hearts and we’re more likely to finish 7th than 3rd but as it stands we’re definitely not completely out of it yet.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Win next two games we are right back in it. Then head to heads with teams competing for Europe

So basically win every non old firm game we have left?

We have next to no chance of third place imo.

[jacomo]

So basically win every non old firm game we have left?

We have next to no chance of third place imo.


Just wait until you see the plan from ‘special ops’ Johnson!

[Trinity Hibee]

Just wait until you see the plan from ‘special ops’ Johnson!

😂

[bingo70]

So basically win every non old firm game we have left?

We have next to no chance of third place imo.

He’s called streaky Lee for a reason 😜

If we can win our next two games, we just need to hope the first three games after the split are against the non OF sides and we have a chance. We’d lose the last two games of the season and the first 10 of next season but still, there’s a hope.

[Since90+2]

People must be watching a different team to me if they actually think we can still finish 3rd.

We'll be lucky to avoid defeat on Saturday let alone go on a winning streak.

[JimBHibees]

So basically win every non old firm game we have left?

We have next to no chance of third place imo.

Probably right however not totally impossible. Win on Saturday changes the whole dynamic. Getting Europe would be good.

[bingo70]

People must be watching a different team to me if they actually think we can still finish 3rd.

We'll be lucky to avoid defeat on Saturday let alone go on a winning streak.

No, I think there’s a difference between saying mathematically we have a chance and saying we actually have a chance.

If we win this Saturday, we’ll be 2 points off 4th and with Aberdeen playing rangers the week after there’s a good chance of going 4 points behind 3rd at the split.

Taking Hibs out the equation and purely looking at the points, I don’t think you’d rule out a team 2 or 4 points behind the other sides when they still had to play them.

I don’t think there’s any chance of us finishing 3rd but until we lose on Saturday it’s not out the question.

[Smartie]

People must be watching a different team to me if they actually think we can still finish 3rd.

We'll be lucky to avoid defeat on Saturday let alone go on a winning streak.

Problem is, it's hard to know which Hibs will turn up to these games.

When we're playing as pish as we are right now it's hard to remember that we have it in us to play very well.

When we're playing very well, it's hard to fathom how pish we're capable of being.

I'm not saying I'm confident of it happening but Saturday is a very winnable game, and it's the type that could jumpstart a season if we did win.

[Northernhibee]

GI Bberish.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

I see that LJ is taking about using his experience with the SAS to help him at the weekend! He must be a reporters dream with the amount of crap he talks! I really wish he would button it.

Bravo, 2-0 on Saturday anyone? 😉

[WhileTheChief..]

Problem is, it's hard to know which Hibs will turn up to these games.

When we're playing as pish as we are right now it's hard to remember that we have it in us to play very well.

When we're playing very well, it's hard to fathom how pish we're capable of being.

I'm not saying I'm confident of it happening but Saturday is a very winnable game, and it's the type that could jumpstart a season if we did win.

Yup, if we played more often like we did when we thumped Aberdeen, we'd probably be comfortably in 3rd spot just now. So frustrating.

[jacomo]

Yup, if we played more often like we did when we thumped Aberdeen, we'd probably be comfortably in 3rd spot just now. So frustrating.


Don’t want to p*** on anyone’s chips, but Aberdeen were about as bad as I’ve seen a professional team play that day.

Still, f*** the Hearts. Let’s tear them a new one.

[Smartie]

Don’t want to p*** on anyone’s chips, but Aberdeen were about as bad as I’ve seen a professional team play that day.

Still, f*** the Hearts. Let’s tear them a new one.

They were, but were their credentials going into that game not largely similar to Hearts' right now? Obviously have a few decent players, have had spells of decent form over the course of the season but form has dropped off a cliff suddenly with a run of quite atrocious results?

I also thought we helped make them look bad. Didn't take our foot off the gas when we were 2 or 3 up and we forced them into quite a lot of their mistakes and bad play.

As you say, it would be "pleasing" if we could repeat the performance on Saturday.

[Paulie Walnuts]

They were, but were their credentials going into that game not largely similar to Hearts' right now? Obviously have a few decent players, have had spells of decent form over the course of the season but form has dropped off a cliff suddenly with a run of quite atrocious results?

I also thought we helped make them look bad. Didn't take our foot off the gas when we were 2 or 3 up and we forced them into quite a lot of their mistakes and bad play.

As you say, it would be "pleasing" if we could repeat the performance on Saturday.

:agree:

We definitely played well. It certainly can’t be blamed on Aberdeen being poor. At least until the 5th and 6th goals where it became a bit of a farce from their point of view. We played ourselves into at least the 4 goal lead though imo, they probably did chuck it a bit after that.

[fiolex1]

We had a great opportunity over the last two games to close the gap, however when our flaky manager starts saying BS like we’re not expecting to win against the bottom club I think he has the wrong psychology and mindset and is rubbing off on the players

[DickieDastardly]

LJ has been another poor appointment and for me there is little sign of any progress in the last year. His pre and post match ramblings get more bizarre each month, as he searches for profound ways to explain defeats.
If he loses this weekend I think he’ll be sacked, a win and he may have a stay of execution.
I do wonder if RG’s illness and untimely passing has played a part in him still being here.

[RossScott1991]

https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/23448120.lee-johnson-calls-sas-help-hibs-prepare-hearts-derby/

Can’t remember the last manager we had that waffles on soo much as Lee.

A defeat saturday has to spell end for him. I have zero confidence going into any big game expecting this manager and group of players producing.

[Smartie]

LJ has been another poor appointment and for me there is little sign of any progress in the last year. His pre and post match ramblings get more bizarre each month, as he searches for profound ways to explain defeats.
If he loses this weekend I think he’ll be sacked, a win and he may have a stay of execution.
I do wonder if RG’s illness and untimely passing has played a part in him still being here.

It's surely "fine margins" that play the biggest part in him still being here?

We've still got a lot to play for and I'm sure he's not chucked it yet.

As poor as we've been in recent weeks, we're still in with a shout of having a respectable finish to the season and we have a derby on Saturday.

If he finishes bottom 6, he goes imo. 5th or 6th, conversations will be being had about his future. 4th or above and I think he keeps his job and gets a chance to rebuild over the summer.

It could end up boiling down to another dodgy VAR call or two.

[superfurryhibby]

We had a great opportunity over the last two games to close the gap, however when our flaky manager starts saying BS like we’re not expecting to win against the bottom club I think he has the wrong psychology and mindset and is rubbing off on the players

When did LJ say that? It must have passed me by. That does sound a bit of a concern, if true?

[Liberal Hibby]

LJ has been another poor appointment and for me there is little sign of any progress in the last year. His pre and post match ramblings get more bizarre each month, as he searches for profound ways to explain defeats.
If he loses this weekend I think he’ll be sacked, a win and he may have a stay of execution.
I do wonder if RG’s illness and untimely passing has played a part in him still being here.

I agree. I'm not convinced he's much improvement on Maloney who at least gave the impression of trying to play a particular way.

For me it's the lack of football and sporting direction since Dempster left that's the issue. There's no clear 'Hibs way' that is consistent between managers/coaches and no strategy in the transfer market. That's why there's a need for DoF and I agree that's been delayed by Ron's illness and untimely death.

Johnson's a slaver - but his appointment is a result of a lack of strategy by the club's leadership. That has to change particularly as Johnson is about to get the chop.

[007]

Both of their job titles are 'Assistant Manager'.

Assistant to the Manager.

https://i.ibb.co/GnmTqL6/David-Brent-111.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

[the_ginger_hibee]

Assistant to the Manager.

https://i.ibb.co/GnmTqL6/David-Brent-111.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

Jamie, Adam...Go and get the guitar.

[Donegal Hibby]

It's like the " jambos kickback " on here sometimes with more David Brent stuff and another thread poking fun out of a injured player . Sad stuff tbh .

[SHODAN]

On a personal level I can't help but like Johnson. Clearly a friendly, personable guy. Still think he needs to go if we can't win though.

[Smartie]

On a personal level I can't help but like Johnson. Clearly a friendly, personable guy. Still think he needs to go if we can't win though.

I like him too, but find myself doing a Still Game style “that’s plenty Isa” when he moves from having made his point to saying stuff that actually ends up undermining himself or his players.

[007]

Jamie, Adam...Go and get the guitar.

🎵 Freelove on the M8 Motorway (In my c£110k Niesmann + Bischoff luxury motorhome obtained yesterday at a very good knockdown price).

[fiolex1]

When did LJ say that? It must have passed me by. That does sound a bit of a concern, if true?

https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/lee-johnson-says-hibs-not-26658159.amp

[Since452]

Chelsea fans are calling Lampard David Brent now as well. It's catching on.

[Donegal Hibby]

Chelsea fans are calling Lampard David Brent now as well. It's catching on.
If you don't think the manager's doing well and want him replaced that's fair enough though the David Brent patter is really poor form and hertz like banter specially with a derby coming up were we should all be getting behind the team , Manager and staff . Find it all really disappointing to be honest.😞

[Hibee Mac]

Why do people get so touchy about the David Brent stuff? It's just folk having a laugh, I find it funny because he genuinely does have some of his mannerisms [emoji23]

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[bingo70]

Why do people get so touchy about the David Brent stuff? It's just folk having a laugh, I find it funny because he genuinely does have some of his mannerisms [emoji23]

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I was going to say something similar. It’s hardly particularly offensive, he calls himself a nerd or a geek or something as he’s so into the data side of things and it’s along the same lines IMO.

I’d like to think it’s something he could have a laugh at himself about if he heard it.

[Donegal Hibby]

Why do people get so touchy about the David Brent stuff? It's just folk having a laugh, I find it funny because he genuinely does have some of his mannerisms [emoji23]

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Think people get touchy about it like myself because it's basically Hibs fans taking the pi** out of the club, next we will be using the " Hibsing it " words . As I said it's very hertz like banter imo and disappointing before a derby game too.

[Vault Boy]

Think people get touchy about it like myself because it's basically Hibs fans taking the pi** out of the club, next we will be using the " Hibsing it " words . As I said it's very hertz like banter imo and disappointing before a derby game too.

It’s not taking the piss out of the club, it’s a lighthearted bit of patter about the manager. Something he’s referenced himself in the past. This isn’t a ‘Sack Dross’ level booting, it’s the kind of nickname folk would use even if Johnson was doing well as Hibs manager. Which he isn’t.

If he wins the derby on Saturday, we’ll throw Brent an office party.

[Heisenberg]

It’s not taking the piss out of the club, it’s a lighthearted bit of patter about the manager. Something he’s referenced himself in the past. This isn’t a ‘Sack Dross’ level booting, it’s the kind of nickname folk would use even if Johnson was doing well as Hibs manager. Which he isn’t.

If he wins the derby on Saturday, we’ll throw Brent an office party.

Was going to say the same. Ross and Mixu off the top of my head got a lot worse from the fans than Johnson has ever had. Both did way more for the club too.

[bingo70]

Think people get touchy about it like myself because it's basically Hibs fans taking the pi** out of the club, next we will be using the " Hibsing it " words . As I said it's very hertz like banter imo and disappointing before a derby game too.

Nothing wrong with a bit of a self deprecating laugh at ourselves.

Stop doing that we’ll be taking ourselves too seriously and that very much is like the Hertz

[Donegal Hibby]

I was going to say something similar. It’s hardly particularly offensive, he calls himself a nerd or a geek or something as he’s so into the data side of things and it’s along the same lines IMO.

I’d like to think it’s something he could have a laugh at himself about if he heard it.
I'd doubt that very much, it's just something a few on here that don't like him do for there own kicks by taking the pi** out of him which is not in very good taste imo .

[Donegal Hibby]

Nothing wrong with a bit of a self deprecating laugh at ourselves.

Stop doing that we’ll be taking ourselves too seriously and that very much is like the Hertz
I didn't think we were laughing at ourselves more taking the pi** out of the manager . As Hibs fans we can still have a laugh without taking the pi** out of someone connected to our football can we not ? Again poor banter imo.

[Groathillgrump]

I didn't think we were laughing at ourselves more taking the pi** out of the manager . As Hibs fans we can still have a laugh without taking the pi** out of someone connected to our football can we not ? Again poor banter imo.

Okay, you don't agree with it. We get it. No need to labour the point ad infinitum FFS!

[Donegal Hibby]

It’s not taking the piss out of the club, it’s a lighthearted bit of patter about the manager. Something he’s referenced himself in the past. This isn’t a ‘Sack Dross’ level booting, it’s the kind of nickname folk would use even if Johnson was doing well as Hibs manager. Which he isn’t.

If he wins the derby on Saturday, we’ll throw Brent an office party.
.Fine if you want him sacked and a new manager in that's fair enough as every Hibs fan is entitled to there opinion though this hertz like banter is only being used by fans on here for there own gratification in the fact that they don't like the manager are only doing it to degrade , poke fun , humiliate the manager . Anyhow I have no time for it with a big game coming up .

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

.Fine if you want him sacked and a new manager in that's fair enough as every Hibs fan is entitled to there opinion though this hertz like banter is only being used by fans on here for there own gratification in the fact that they don't like the manager are only doing it to degrade , poke fun , humiliate the manager . Anyhow I have no time for it with a big game coming up .

Hardly humiliating, not as if we’ve stuck the dunce hat on him or that [emoji23]


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[Greenio]

For a start it stops our manager/the club from being a laughing stock!

I am sure he is not the only manager who has ever had guidance/support from elsewhere but he is one of the few that seems to want to tell the world about it, despite the fact that he is doing a sh$t job!

There is a reason you don’t see many other managers taking such crap and that it because it draws attention and when you are playing as badly as we are attention is not a good thing.

He should be keeping his head down and sorting out, at the very least our performances, not providing yet another sound bite!

Who says he's a laughing stock? Our own fans more than anyone else.

I see plenty other managers talking utter *****.

How's he supposed to keep his head down exactly?

Truth is, no matter what he does or says...while we're on a run of losing games, he'll get slated by fans that are annoyed at losing games.

If he'd come out with the usual manager pish, it's be "aye, blah blah blah, heard it all before.". I'd he said nothing to the press at all it's be "He's hiding, where is he, need to front up" etc etc


Damned if you do....

[Paulie Walnuts]

****ing hell.

With the offence taken at mild piss taking between the David Brent stuff and the Magennis thread with folk even suggesting his rehab won’t go as well because of the jokes it’s a wonder how folk make it through the day being so precious.

Degrading/humiliation. Ffs 😂

Are we still allowed to call Boyle the squirrel? Or is that off limits now as well? Surely we can’t make jokes about his appearance?

I’d be willing to bet Johnson would probably have a chuckle at the Brent stuff and Magennis would have found some of the suggestions as to what will happen before he gets fit quite funny.

[bingo70]

I didn't think we were laughing at ourselves more taking the pi** out of the manager . As Hibs fans we can still have a laugh without taking the pi** out of someone connected to our football can we not ? Again poor banter imo.

I really struggle to deal with the word banter if I’m honest.

Trying to not say this in an offensive way but fear it’s unavoidable, IMO anybody using the word banter shouldn’t be the person judging whether banter is acceptable or not. Same applies to the word patter.

No offence intended, just banter (yuk)

[Donegal Hibby]

Okay, you don't agree with it. We get it. No need to labour the point ad infinitum FFS!
Ok , I won't go on as you know I don't agree with it . Sad thing is I don't actually think some of you actually ' DO GET ' why I disagree with it . Taking the pi** out of anything Hibs is never acceptable to me FFS ! .

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Ok , I won't go on as you know I don't agree with it . Sad thing is I don't actually think some of you actually ' DO GET ' why I disagree with it . Taking the pi** out of anything Hibs is never acceptable to me FFS ! .

Bojang set his own head on fire (allegedly), lighten up man


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[Brightside]

Think people get touchy about it like myself because it's basically Hibs fans taking the pi** out of the club, next we will be using the " Hibsing it " words . As I said it's very hertz like banter imo and disappointing before a derby game too.

Its nothing like that. Ripping the manager is nothing to do with ripping the club. Lee Johnson is not and never will be Hibs. Everything about him screams the David Brent character.

[Greenio]

****ing hell.

With the offence taking at mild piss taking between the David Brent stuff and the Magennis thread with folk even suggesting his rehab won’t go as well because of the jokes it’s a wonder how folk make it through the day being so precious.

Degrading/humiliation. Ffs 😂

Are we still allowed to call Boyle the squirrel? Or is that off limits now as well? Surely we can’t make jokes about his appearance?

I’d be willing to bet Johnson would probably have a chuckle at the Brent stuff and Magennis would have found some of the suggestions as to what will happen before he gets fit quite funny.

LJ might take the Brent stuff on the chin...but I highly doubt Kyle would see anything funny in folk laughing at his career slipping away.

Not saying you can't joke about it, just that he wouldn't share your laughs

[Paulie Walnuts]

Bojang set his own head on fire (allegedly), lighten up man


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The thread discussing that likely prevented him from making it at Hibs because someone outrageously called him a hot head. How he would ever come back from a joke like that to play football is anyone’s guess.

The thread should have been closed the minute somebody cracked a joke.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

The thread discussing that likely prevented him from making it at Hibs because someone outrageously called him a hot head. How he would ever come back from a joke like that to play football is anyone’s guess.

The thread should have been closed the minute somebody cracked a joke.

Your defence is terrified, Bojangs on fire [emoji91]


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[Brightside]

Ok , I won't go on as you know I don't agree with it . Sad thing is I don't actually think some of you actually ' DO GET ' why I disagree with it . Taking the pi** out of anything Hibs is never acceptable to me FFS ! .

You're not going to like the rest of the season then.

[Paulie Walnuts]

LJ might take the Brent stuff on the chin...but I highly doubt Kyle would see anything funny in folk laughing at his career slipping away.

Not saying you can't joke about it, just that he wouldn't share your laughs

I fully expect Magennis would have found it funny.

I had a life threatening illness not too long ago. My mates cracked a couple of jokes about it, they were pretty funny. I even joined in with some myself. Just cause it isn’t an ideal situation to be in it doesn’t mean you can’t see the funny side of a joke ffs.

[Alex Trager]

So, David Brent, ae?

[Pretty Boy]

People take things way too seriously on here these days.

I can get as caught up in an argument as the next person but sometimes you just have to accept something is a bit of a laugh, whether you find it funny or not.

Threads that are looked back on with fondness from years back like 'The Calendar Thread' or 'Blame Rod Petrie' would never get off the ground now as someone would be along to say the former was based on an unfounded accusation against one of our own young players and the latter was unfairly targeting a club employee.

I closed the Magennis thread because it was just bickering about what was and wasn't acceptable. I'll throw it out there and say that if people saw it in the lighthearted way it was clearly intended then it would very quickly have moved on from being about KM and become a thread for slagging Hearts (they'll pay the poppy money before he is fit) or Rangers (they'll admit they are a new club before he is fit) and a whole manner of other irrelevant and irreverent things.

[Hiber-nation]

I'm sure LJ would have a laugh at any David Brent comparison. To compare that to the Hibsing it patter is just ridiculous.

[hibsbollah]

There’s an argument that the whole point of The Office was to show Brent in an endearing way, and that the Tim character, by representing the judgemental and the sneering side of human nature, was the more negative conception.

I quite like Johnson, AND find a lot of his chat ridiculous. Sometimes two things are true at once.

[KeithTheHibby]

I fully expect Magennis would have found it funny.

I had a life threatening illness not too long ago. My mates cracked a couple of jokes about it, they were pretty funny. I even joined in with some myself. Just cause it isn’t an ideal situation to be in it doesn’t mean you can’t see the funny side of a joke ffs.


How do you know how Mcgennis feels about is situation?
Just because you laughed your situation off doesn’t apply to everyone.

[Paulie Walnuts]

How do you know how Mcgennis feels about is situation?
Just because you laughed your situation off doesn’t apply to everyone.

I don’t know, that’s why I said I expect.

I fully expect he’s not nearly as precious as some on here who are desperate to take offence at anything.

[KeithTheHibby]

I don’t know, that’s why I said I expect.

I fully expect he’s not nearly as precious as some on here who are desperate to take offence at anything.

The thread was in bad taste, simple as. Nobody knows how he feels about his situation however I EXPECT him to be pretty down about it given how long it’s went on for.

[Paulie Walnuts]

The thread was in bad taste, simple as. Nobody knows how he feels about his situation however I EXPECT him to be pretty down about it given how long it’s went on for.

Simple as? Who made you the arbitrator for jokes?

He might well be down about it. He might not. Doesn’t mean he can’t laugh at the mildest of jokes about the situation though.

I’d hate to think of how appalled you’d be setting foot in a pub and hearing people slag each other.

[hibsbollah]

Simple as? Who made you the arbitrator for jokes?

He might well be down about it. He might not. Doesn’t mean he can’t laugh at the mildest of jokes about the situation though.

I’d hate to think of how appalled you’d be setting foot in a pub and hearing people slag each other.

Are you saying Keith can’t find his way to the nearest pub?

Shan chat.

[Bostonhibby]

So, David Brent, ae?David Brent indeed, not even a proper waffling manager.

I didn't get to where I am today by taking the likes of Brent seriously when there are real quality bosses like CJ from Sunshine Desserts out there setting the standard.[emoji6]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=drlPbIWAz-E

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[KeithTheHibby]

Simple as? Who made you the arbitrator for jokes?

He might well be down about it. He might not. Doesn’t mean he can’t laugh at the mildest of jokes about the situation though.

I’d hate to think of how appalled you’d be setting foot in a pub and hearing people slag each other.


Gies peace you, I can take a joke as much as anyone and don’t get offended ever. However the thread was in extremely bad taste and if you can’t see it that’s your problem.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Gies peace you, I can take a joke as much as anyone and don’t get offended ever. However the thread was in extremely bad taste and if you can’t see it that’s your problem.

You don’t get offended ever yet you thought the Magennis thread with light hearted suggestions such as we’ll see Haileys comet before Magennis or that he’d get an eye injury reading the thread was in EXTREMELY bad taste?

Somethings not adding up here.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Gies peace you, I can take a joke as much as anyone and don’t get offended ever. However the thread was in extremely bad taste and if you can’t see it that’s your problem.

Don’t get offended… ever?
Like, never ever? That’s some going if nothing in the world offends you at all. Racism, poverty, hunger and war? No match for Keith’s thick skin [emoji6]


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[JimBHibees]

You're not going to like the rest of the season then.

Can you tell me Saturdays National winner please :greengrin

[Phil MaGlass]

Too many touchy @#$%$ on here, a jokes a joke ffs, what's not to get, but there's always someone that will get offended at something, as sure as night follows MaGennis, always one, aye THERES ALWAYS ONE. You cant please everybody.

[KeithTheHibby]

The thread got closed. Need I say any more?

[KeithTheHibby]

You don’t get offended ever yet you thought the Magennis thread with light hearted suggestions such as we’ll see Haileys comet before Magennis or that he’d get an eye injury reading the thread was in EXTREMELY bad taste?

Somethings not adding up here.

It was in bad taste but I wasn’t offended by it. The 2 are not mutually exclusive. There I’ve added it up for you.

[Paulie Walnuts]

The thread got closed. Need I say any more?

It’s been explained why by Pretty Boy who closed it and it wasn’t because of the jokes.

[KeithTheHibby]

Don’t get offended… ever?
Like, never ever? That’s some going if nothing in the world offends you at all. Racism, poverty, hunger and war? No match for Keith’s thick skin [emoji6]


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No I don’t, why?

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

No I don’t, why?

Just seems very unlikely that either A) you’re so nice no one has ever said anything offensive to you or B) nothing has ever offended you, even when someone has actively tried to?

I’m fairly sure the jokes about LJ won’t have caused any offence to him if he sees them, they’re mostly quite lighthearted. Same goes for KM, no one is being malicious from what I’ve seen.


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[silverhibee]

.Fine if you want him sacked and a new manager in that's fair enough as every Hibs fan is entitled to there opinion though this hertz like banter is only being used by fans on here for there own gratification in the fact that they don't like the manager are only doing it to degrade , poke fun , humiliate the manager . Anyhow I have no time for it with a big game coming up .

Think you are spending to much time on kickback, hertz like banter, you say I have no time for it but you are repeatedly going on about it, you and a few others like him the rest would rather see him move on from the club, if winning this weekend means he stays then I’m happy with that but please stop coming over as I’m a better fan than the rest of everyone on here.

[Brightside]

Can you tell me Saturdays National winner please :greengrin

Gaillard Du Mesnil

[JimBHibees]

Gaillard Du Mesnil

Corach Rambler so you are wrong :greengrin

[Trinity Hibee]

Genuine question: what is pitch personality? Seen this mentioned a few times.

[JimBHibees]

Genuine question: what is pitch personality? Seen this mentioned a few times.

How you perform on the pitch? Some players are world beaters in training but can't replicate match day

[bingo70]

Genuine question: what is pitch personality? Seen this mentioned a few times.

A bit cockiness and confidence on the pitch, Someone who won’t be intimidated by the occasion and will play their best game because of it rather than letting it affect them negatively.

That would be my perception of it anyway.

[JohnM1875]

Genuine question: what is pitch personality? Seen this mentioned a few times.

Martin Boyle would be a player I'd describe as having pitch personality. Constantly looking for the ball and trying to find ways to influence a game.

[blackpoolhibs]

Genuine question: what is pitch personality? Seen this mentioned a few times.

In English, someone who plays well.

[silverhibee]

In English, someone who plays well.

And what does it mean in Scottish. :greengrin

[Bridge hibs]

And what does it mean in Scottish. :greengrin

Get yer finger oot yer erse ya ****ing numpty 😀

[Donegal Hibby]

Think you are spending to much time on kickback, hertz like banter, you say I have no time for it but you are repeatedly going on about it, you and a few others like him the rest would rather see him move on from the club, if winning this weekend means he stays then I’m happy with that but please stop coming over as I’m a better fan than the rest of everyone on here.
Its very seldom I'm on kickback though I do be on a lot of other football forums . Ok hertz like banter , I stand corrected.I was repeatedly going on about it because I thought it was poor form . Sorry if I was repeatedly going on about it though it's not the first time Lee Johnson has been referred to as " David Brent " so that to must be repeatedly going on as well 🤔 .

I have totally nothing against anyone calling for Johnson to be sacked and replaced , every hibby is entitled to that opinion if they wish and I get that even if it's not my own opinion but I don't get the ridiculous Brent chat that keeps getting repeated either . I'm no better or worse than any other hibby on here and never have i claimed to be btw . While I don't mind the sack LJ or LJ must go chat I've realised I find the Brent chat abit annoying and hertz like so obviously this threads not for me . Apologies for any offence caused it wasn't my intentions to do so :aok:

[ehf]

Anyway, has the clown still not been emptied?

[Hibiza]

Corach Rambler so you are wrong :greengrin

Coko Beach .

[Chip shop Joe]

Who says he's a laughing stock? Our own fans more than anyone else.

I see plenty other managers talking utter *****.

How's he supposed to keep his head down exactly?

Truth is, no matter what he does or says...while we're on a run of losing games, he'll get slated by fans that are annoyed at losing games.

If he'd come out with the usual manager pish, it's be "aye, blah blah blah, heard it all before.". I'd he said nothing to the press at all it's be "He's hiding, where is he, need to front up" etc etc


Damned if you do....

You answered your own question in the first line! I am certain that if we think he is a laughing stock then others do too.

If you can’t see that he is a laughing stock then sobeit but in my opinion he most definitely is.

He keeps his head down by giving the standard answers and reiterates that we are preparing for the game, not wax lyrical about his time with the SAS!

I am not sure who would have said blah, blah blah if he had come out and talked about our biggest game for quite some time?

You are damned if you talk p$sh about your time with the SAS, you are definitely not damned if you talk about winning or preparing for a game we really must win!

[Greenio]

You answered your own question in the first line! I am certain that if we think he is a laughing stock then others do too.

If you can’t see that he is a laughing stock then sobeit but in my opinion he most definitely is.

He keeps his head down by giving the standard answers and reiterates that we are preparing for the game, not wax lyrical about his time with the SAS!

I am not sure who would have said blah, blah blah if he had come out and talked about our biggest game for quite some time?

You are damned if you talk p$sh about your time with the SAS, you are definitely not damned if you talk about winning or preparing for a game we really must win!

I get it. You don't like LJ and want him sacked

That's your real issue. The rest is just because of that

All good. Your opinion

[Chip shop Joe]

I get it. You don't like LJ and want him sacked

That's your real issue. The rest is just because of that

All good. Your opinion

The funny thing is I don’t mind him and think he is probably a very likeable chap.

I do think he is underachieving but I don’t want us to sack yet another manager just yet and I am willing to give him at least until the top 6 is decided but this does not detract that he is a slaver and in my opinion does a lot more harm than good with his frequent soundbites!

[JimBHibees]

Anyway, has the clown still not been emptied?

No he is going to lead us to a glorious Derby win tomorrow :flag:

[flash]

Anyway, has the clown still not been emptied?

Well apparently not as you are still able to post.:na na:

[Shrekko]

In what world are people who have never been involved in a certain professionalism able to call people who have done pretty well in it things like "clueless" and "a clown"? It's mental.

LJ has done pretty well in football management and even if it's not quite happening here at the moment he knows a hell of a lot more than any of us- and that'll remain the case if he gets sacked after Saturday.

One of our last supposedly clueless managers is about to lead a much bigger club than us into the English Premiership.

Sometimes it's not all one persons fault.

[Paulie Walnuts]

In what world are people who have never been involved in a certain professionalism able to call people who have done pretty well in it things like "clueless" and "a clown"? It's mental.

LJ has done pretty well in football management and even if it's not quite happening here at the moment he knows a hell of a lot more than any of us- and that'll remain the case if he gets sacked after Saturday.

One of our last supposedly clueless managers is about to lead a much bigger club than us into the English Premiership.

Sometimes it's not all one persons fault.

It’s all relative though, isn’t it? People are calling them clueless etc in relation to what a Hibs manager should be, not in relation to themselves.

By that argument none of us can claim a football player is crap or played poorly unless we ourselves are better than them or capable of putting in a better performance than the crap one they put in.

[eastmainsmsh]

LJ is frustrating we had a chance to be above yams but silly stupid defeats hopefully we win tomorrow and kick on

[Shrekko]

It’s all relative though, isn’t it? People are calling them clueless etc in relation to what a Hibs manager should be, not in relation to themselves.

By that argument none of us can claim a football player is crap or played poorly unless we ourselves are better than them or capable of putting in a better performance than the crap one they put in.


Oh are they? Never heard people add that caveat in to their considered arguments when calling him "a clown". When someone gets called "clueless" I just assume they're saying they don't know what on earth they're doing, full stop.

Your 2nd point is also wrong- it's not really the same argument at all.... although I'm sure plenty players feel that is is the case. You can be a good manager without having had much ability as a player - a totally different job, not reliant on natural physical ability.

[bingo70]

Have to say my bitterness (not sure that’s the right word) towards LJ dies down a fair bit as the week goes on.

I just dunno about him, he has failed in every aspect of this job so far and it’s not good enough, I was raging after last week as Dundee Utd are pish and that’s two weeks in a row we have been garbage. Failure to make top 6 would be completely unacceptable.

Despite all that, once the dust settles there’s something that says we might not be that far away. I’m maybe just taken in by the salesman in him.

I suppose I just don’t have any bitterness towards the guy and I have no desire to call him daft names (I don’t mind the David Brent stuff, it’s funny and if it was me I’d laugh at it too). A win tomorrow could really turn things around for him so hopefully we can do it.

I still maintain there HAS to be some short term accountability though, if he can’t salvage something from this season he can’t be trusted with next season.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Oh are they? Never heard people add that caveat in to their considered arguments when calling him "a clown". When someone gets called "clueless" I just assume they're saying they don't know what on earth they're doing, full stop.

Your 2nd point is also wrong- it's not really the same argument at all.... although I'm sure plenty players feel that is is the case. You can be a good manager without having had much ability as a player - a totally different job, not reliant on natural physical ability.

It’s an internet forum, not a court of law. You really expect people to be adding caveats at the end of their posts to point out that they are talking about them being clueless in a professional football contest rather than more generally?

If I say that Dundee United are ***** I don’t need to add the caveat that I’m talking about in professional football terms and not compared to FC Harp & Castle, that should be taken as a given.

[matty_f]

Fair points.

Argument against it would be how difficult he finds it to get us out of a losing streak, that suggests to me he’s no great after a loss, whether that’s in terms of picking players up or being overly critical or maybe even too nice to them, as you say, I’ve no idea what he does, whatever it is, doesn’t work though. These long losing streaks happen too often to him for it to be a coincidence.

We did an ‘Extra Time’ Episode dedicated to the question of why he was so streaky with his results and the conclusion was broadly that it reflects his behaviour/actions.

As soon as we lose he makes multiple changes, be that to formation, system of team selection and with each change there’s less and less cohesion and confidence in the team.

Then he stumbles upon a winning formula and tends to stick with that until we l lose again.

[Shrekko]

It’s an internet forum, not a court of law. You really expect people to be adding caveats at the end of their posts to point out that they are talking about them being clueless in a professional football contest rather than more generally?

If I say that Dundee United are ***** I don’t need to add the caveat that I’m talking about in professional football terms and not compared to FC Harp & Castle, that should be taken as a given.

I was being facetious/sarcastic.

You're twisting things though- it's clear that people can make a good argument that a manager is not doing the job to the required standard in a results based business. It's the insinuations that they are clowns or don't know what they are doing in their job that is my issue. They're not idiots-sometimes things just don't work for lots of reasons.

I also didn't say you had to be better or as good a manager or player to criticise them.

[J-C]

I was being facetious/sarcastic.

You're twisting things though- it's clear that people can make a good argument that a manager is not doing the job to the required standard in a results based business. It's the insinuations that they are clowns or don't know what they are doing in their job that is my issue. They're not idiots-sometimes things just don't work for lots of reasons.

I also didn't say you had to be better or as good a manager or player to criticise them.

TBF some of our losses this season due to weird team selection or game management would have you thinking LJ was a bit clueless.

[superfurryhibby]

TBF some of our losses this season due to weird team selection or game management would have you thinking LJ was a bit clueless.

Every manager in my memory at Hibs makes strange team selections or chooses tactics that are odd?

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Every manager in my memory at Hibs makes strange team selections or chooses tactics that are odd?

I remember the messiah Neil Lennon playing Efe Ambrose centre mid against Kilmarnock


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[eastterrace]

I remember the messiah Neil Lennon playing Efe Ambrose centre mid against Kilmarnock


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Yeh and didn’t go well as he binned it at half time .

[007]

I remember the messiah Neil Lennon playing Efe Ambrose centre mid against Kilmarnock


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And Miquel Nelom was left wing back.

We were praying the floodlight failure wouldn't be sorted as we were getting gubbed.

[GreenCastle]

Could Hibs lose the 3rd derby in a row - still make top 6 and LJ keeps his job?

It feels like tomorrows result won’t mean the sack unless it’s a hammering…which could happen if we lose early goals.

Would they sack him if we lose and then go into the Saints game with no manager ? Probably not.

A win tomorrow would definitely get some fans back onside. He just needs a win in a derby to give him some credit. So tomorrow is very important for many reasons.

A draw won’t really do us any favours. But again making top 6 will probably keep him in job till beyond summer.

Next 2 games are massive for his management career at Hibs. If he loses both of them or only gains 1 point and fails to win either game and Livi pick up a win he can’t have any complaints getting sacked as we would be bottom 6. Feels like we need to win one of remaining 2 as a minimum.

[jacomo]

In what world are people who have never been involved in a certain professionalism able to call people who have done pretty well in it things like "clueless" and "a clown"? It's mental.

LJ has done pretty well in football management and even if it's not quite happening here at the moment he knows a hell of a lot more than any of us- and that'll remain the case if he gets sacked after Saturday.

One of our last supposedly clueless managers is about to lead a much bigger club than us into the English Premiership.

Sometimes it's not all one persons fault.


Come on now, you’ve been following football for more than a week. You know how it works.

In another context, I’ve never been or aspired to be a professional politician, but my views on the UK government are fairly… strident.

[007]

Could Hibs lose the 3rd derby in a row - still make top 6 and LJ keeps his job?

It feels like tomorrows result won’t mean the sack unless it’s a hammering…which could happen if we lose early goals.

Would they sack him if we lose and then go into the Saints game with no manager ? Probably not.

A win tomorrow would definitely get some fans back onside. He just needs a win in a derby to give him some credit. So tomorrow is very important for many reasons.

A draw won’t really do us any favours. But again making top 6 will probably keep him in job till beyond summer.

Next 2 games are massive for his management career at Hibs. If he loses both of them or only gains 1 point and fails to win either game and Livi pick up a win he can’t have any complaints getting sacked as we would be bottom 6. Feels like we need to win one of remaining 2 as a minimum.

I'm sticking with my prediction of a couple of months ago. Bottom 6 = sack, top 6 = keep.

[SHODAN]

I remember the messiah Neil Lennon playing Efe Ambrose centre mid against Kilmarnock


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And Whittaker over Bartley at DM in the loss that cost us 3rd place at Tynecastle in 2018.

[jacomo]

And Whittaker over Bartley at DM in the loss that cost us 3rd place at Tynecastle in 2018.


Whitts himself was asking to play in the middle as he didn’t have the legs for fullback anymore. Ok, maybe he was just spent but not the most daft decision I’ve ever seen.

[hibsbollah]

And Miquel Nelom was left wing back.

We were praying the floodlight failure wouldn't be sorted as we were getting gubbed.

The name doesn’t ring a bell, I’ve just looked him up and it still doesn’t. Really weird, I just have a total black hole in my memory for Miquel Nelom :greengrin

[Paulie Walnuts]

The name doesn’t ring a bell, I’ve just looked him up and it still doesn’t. Really weird, I just have a total black hole in my memory for Miquel Nelom :greengrin

On paper he came with some real pedigree. Off the top of my head I don’t even remember him being that bad when he did play but someone may be able to correct me on that..

[Is It On....]

We did an ‘Extra Time’ Episode dedicated to the question of why he was so streaky with his results and the conclusion was broadly that it reflects his behaviour/actions.

As soon as we lose he makes multiple changes, be that to formation, system of team selection and with each change there’s less and less cohesion and confidence in the team.

Then he stumbles upon a winning formula and tends to stick with that until we l lose again.

Stumbles is a good description. He doesn't seem to know why things are working so he can't correct them when they stop working. I have worked with people like that and more often than not their results over a period of time end up being around average. It's why analysing the process / strategy is so important as the right process / strategy will deliver the positive, repeatable results over time. Looking only at results is outcome dependant and doomed to mediocrity at best. Presumably our recruitment team, CEO and owner are confident in Johnson's process / strategy but the evidence so far is that the streaky results pattern evident at other clubs is happening again so I have my doubts over any repeatable process / strategy for success from Johnson.

[jacomo]

Fair play Lee… did the job and then some today. We looked up for it and well organised from the off.

He said in his post-match comments that he was emotional at the end… he must be relieved knowing how much rested on this match.

He certainly seemed to enjoy the lap of the pitch at the end, well deserved applause from the fans.

[Alfred E Newman]

You certainly can't say the players aren't putting in a shift for him. I'm glad for him and let's hope we don't shoot ourselves in the foot next week.