Lee Johnson

[MWHIBBIES]

That’s the point though the players we have are decent players yet don’t seem to have a clue when it comes to 90 mins. For all lennon’s faults he at least gave players belief.

Stubbs did that. Lennon just inherited it.

[Smartie]

I don't want LJ to stay so I don't really understand this.

I think Jack Ross must wear magical cardigans or something. He's the benchmark now it seems. Strange how Stubbs isn't as he actually achieved silverware. Must be the cardigans...

It was probably the third place finish and the number of times he reached the latter stages of cup competitions rather than the cardigans.

I'm not pretending for a second that all was rosy or anywhere near perfect and he still had plenty to prove but he had at least shown something and deserved a bit more perseverance.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

He’s gone, should be announced tomorrow morning


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[Trinity Hibee]

He’s gone, should be announced tomorrow morning


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Source?

[Heisenberg]

He’s gone, should be announced tomorrow morning


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No chance, imo.

[madhatter]

It was probably the third place finish and the number of times he reached the latter stages of cup competitions rather than the cardigans.

I'm not pretending for a second that all was rosy or anywhere near perfect and he still had plenty to prove but he had at least shown something and deserved a bit more perseverance.

I agree to some extent but the repeated capitulations in the cup games against Hearts, St Johnstone x2 and a few shockers really riled the support.

[Eaststand]

He’s gone, should be announced tomorrow morning


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Is this a windup or a serious post bud

GGTTH

[h1bs4life]

3rd, 4 semis, 2 finals

Hibs.net ''mince''

Honestly....


Jack Ross had mostly a good record playing behind closed doors during COVID .
The drunken German gave us a doing at Easter Road and Aberdeen beat us last games before COVID .
Even during COVID our home record was crap it was a very good away record with no crowds that got us 3rd,
When was the last season we finished with more away points than Celtic ?
Even with no crowds his team got beat by a lower league team just of furlough , skelped by St Johnstone in a semi final and didn’t even lay a glove on them in a Scottish Cup final playing the same way as the previous 5 games.
Unfortunately for Jack COVID eased and crowds were allowed back , didn’t last to long at Dundee United with crowds at the games .
It was on his watch that we signed McGennis while still recovering from a serious long term injury , contract extensions to Jake DH , Joe Newell , Doidge , Hanlon and Stevenson who bar one we are stuck with for another season . There is probably others.
Good for you if think Ross was great .

Lee Johnson is worse and should be emptied

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Source?

One of my pals sources, same boy that told me Neilson was away last night


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[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Is this a windup or a serious past bud

GGTTH

Serious mate, I don’t know the source my pal won’t tell me, but he’s never far wrong


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[WhileTheChief..]

He’s gone, should be announced tomorrow morning


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Hope so.

[Billy Whizz]

Is this a windup or a serious post bud

GGTTH

Possibly taking a calculated gamble, that it’s usually the next day before they depart

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Possibly taking a calculated gamble, that it’s usually the next day before they depart

Not going to post anything just to wind folk up, that’s what I’m hearing


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[kentao]

Not going to post anything just to wind folk up, that’s what I’m hearing


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Fingers Crossed :)

[Willis1875]

He’s gone, should be announced tomorrow morning


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We can but dream

[Eaststand]

Serious mate, I don’t know the source my pal won’t tell me, but he’s never far wrong


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Ok,cheers for that bud.

I've previously argued for giving Johnson more time as our manager, but after the last few games I'm now hoping he's away as we need fresh ideas.

GGTTH

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Ok,cheers for that bud.

I've previously argued for giving Johnson more time as our manager, but after the last few games I'm now hoping he's away as we need fresh ideas.

GGTTH

He needs a boot in the baws and the players need their contracts ripped up after this season, shambolic


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[Trinity Hibee]

One of my pals sources, same boy that told me Neilson was away last night


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Interesting. I thought he’d get to the summer but then hearts fans probably thought the same with neilson. Expect the unexpected in football nowadays

[A Hi-Bee]

Bring in Neil Lennon, get some pride and fire back into the team, get the crowd something to shout about.

:flag::flag::flag:

[Hiber-nation]

Bring in Neil Lennon, get some pride and fire back into the team, get the crowd something to shout about.

:flag::flag::flag:

There was little to be proud about in Lennon's last few months.

[SHODAN]

Honestly at this stage I wouldn't say no to Lennon.

[Willis1875]

There was little to be proud about in Lennon's last few months.

Lennon under a DOF model,I’m inclined to say yes…..Lennon in charge of rebuilding and recruitment,No thanks

[Northernhibee]

Honestly at this stage I wouldn't say no to Lennon.
I wouldn’t say no to Ringo at this rate

[Billy Whizz]

Not going to post anything just to wind folk up, that’s what I’m hearing


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Ok dokey

[Eaststand]

He needs a boot in the baws and the players need their contracts ripped up after this season, shambolic


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Ha, hard to argue with that. I've not booted anyone in the knackers since I was a laddie but I'd happily have a go.

GGTTH

[bingo70]

Honestly at this stage I wouldn't say no to Lennon.

I think there’s no two situations the same. In some situations Lennon would be a good appointment and in some situations he’d be a disaster.

I think LJ is too data driven and even listening to his post match interview talking about thirds of the pitch I just wanted to tell him to shut up. IMO Lennon would be a good fit for a short term boost as he’d simplify everything. For me, LJ would be better suited to some sort of analyst role.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

I think there’s no two situations the same. In some situations Lennon would be a good appointment and in some situations he’d be a disaster.

I think LJ is too data driven and even listening to his post match interview talking about thirds of the pitch I just wanted to tell him to shut up. IMO Lennon would be a good fit for a short term boost as he’d simplify everything. For me, LJ would be better suited to some sort of analyst role.

LJ isn’t relatable to fans, that’s the source of a lot of the ire. Obviously the results don’t help his case.


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[The Modfather]

I almost hope we do finish bottom six so we can begin planning for next season without trying to do so getting horsed in the top 6. Preferably without Johnson.

Play players that will be here next season to give them a final chance to stake a claim for not being part of the clear out.

Marshall/Johnson
Miller Devlin Hanlon Macintyre
Jeggo Campbell JDH/Newell/an U19
Youan Nisbet Laidlaw/O’Connor/McKirdy

Harsh on Kukharevych but assuming he won’t be here next season and/or realistic to sign permanently. Youan more time to prove if he’s worth a big fee as anonymous today.

Get rid of Tavares, Hoppe, Henderson etc from the bench and fill it with U19s not on loan

[J-C]

I wonder if things happening across town may have forced a change of mind re LJ, also just been beaten by 2 teams with new managers wouldn't have gone down well.

[CB Hibs 68]

Who is currently running Hibs after Ron’s death ? Whoever it is BK or Ron’s family want dump LJ .Absolutely shocking season .Emptied-out of both cups before they had even started .Toiling to make top six.This season has been disastrous .LIJsimply not up to the task.Never heard so much ***** spoken by a manager in my life.Go back to where your family live and let my club progress

[bingo70]

LJ isn’t relatable to fans, that’s the source of a lot of the ire. Obviously the results don’t help his case.


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I agree but the results suggest he’s not relatable to the players either.

[ehf]

Who is currently running Hibs after Ron’s death ? Whoever it is BK or Ron’s family want dump LJ .Absolutely shocking season .Emptied-out of both cups before they had even started .Toiling to make top six.This season has been disastrous .LIJsimply not up to the task.Never heard so much ***** spoken by a manager in my life.Go back to where your family live and let my club progress

:top marks

[Smartie]

I agree to some extent but the repeated capitulations in the cup games against Hearts, St Johnstone x2 and a few shockers really riled the support.

Absolutely - and they irritated the life out of me too. I don't want to rewrite history or paint a picture that is unreasonably rosy.

His last summer window was a disaster but his past performance meant that he deserved the January to salvage it. If he'd failed like Maloney did then he should have gone then.

I just think that when Hibs need to be careful when they are tempted to reach for the panic button, and I don't think they went for it at the right time that time. That then undermines our faith in them to get it right when we're back in difficult territory.

[A Hi-Bee]

There was little to be proud about in Lennon's last few months.

Neil Lennon would provide everything that Lee Johnson does not.
#bringhimback

[Scotty Leither]

Who is currently running Hibs after Ron’s death ? Whoever it is BK or Ron’s family want dump LJ .Absolutely shocking season .Emptied-out of both cups before they had even started .Toiling to make top six.This season has been disastrous .LIJsimply not up to the task.Never heard so much ***** spoken by a manager in my life.Go back to where your family live and let my club progress

The return of Malcolm MacPherson as Chairman actually depresses me. It’s a “get us to the end of the season appointment” without a whiff of ambition about it.

There’s no DoF coming in anytime soon either, unless Kensell pays for him out of his ludicrous “performance” bonus.

[Callum_62]

The return of Malcolm MacPherson as Chairman actually depresses me. It’s a “get us to the end of the season appointment” without a whiff of ambition about it.

There’s no DoF coming in anytime soon either, unless Kensell pays for him out of his ludicrous “performance” bonus.Hasnt kensell played a key role in substantially increasing our turnover?

Coz we signed a few duds doesn't mean that's irrelevant

Apparently we are aiming for an April dof appointment so we should find out in the next 3 weeks



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[Svengali]

I wouldn’t say no to Ringo at this rate

What’s Yoko Ono up to?

[Donegal Hibby]

(1) we can’t get any worse than losing every week. There’s been the odd blip, usually against 10 men but for the most part we’ve been dreadful this season. Failed managers always trot out the line about managers needing time but look at Motherwell and Aberdeen this season, it wasn’t working so they made positive changes and are reaping the benefits of doing so.

(2) he’s had two transfer windows already and it’s been one shambles after another. He takes the credit for signings when he thinks they’ll be good but blames everyone else when it doesn’t work. Same will happen after the summer if he’s still here. He’s all about self preservation.

I’m not talking about Gray improving the team, short term he literally couldn’t do any worse, we lose every week anyway (unless we’re playing 10 men)
I thought things at one time not that long ago couldn't get much worse either it was around when jack Ross was sacked and then we appointed Shaun Maloney who signed guys like Mitchell , Henderson , things can always get worse imo. Motherwell have improved though this is the same guy that was dismissed at Ross county , Aberdeen have certainly hit a purple patch under there new manager though I'd say it's a bit early to say if either is a good manager in fairness.

The two transfer windows have been a complete disaster with the club admitting to making mistakes in the first one and the second one being a hard one to do business in . As to losing every week , we have lost our last two games Motherwell , Dundee Utd which is two poor results no getting away from it though we can still make top 6th and push for European place . I think LJ will do alright in the summer if he can shift guys like Henderson who was giving a 3 year deal out along with a few more out.

[A Hi-Bee]

What’s Yoko Ono up to?

She's in Tokyo, with lots of Yen, but none to spend on Hibs.
Cannot imagine, why she would want to get involved in Hibs.

[stevie-bee]

I had a text saying he is gone.,
Seemingly it’s from 1 of the players

[Donegal Hibby]

There was little to be proud about in Lennon's last few months.
Exactly , our form was poor and then he lost the plot

[Paulie Walnuts]

I had a text saying he is gone.,
Seemingly it’s from 1 of the players

You don’t know who sent you the text?!

[stevie-bee]

The text originated from 1 of the players

[madhatter]

You don’t know who sent you the text?!

Cheers. Made me laugh that did.

[JohnM1875]

You don’t know who sent you the text?!

😂

[Cod Boy]

Kean getting the gig?

[bingo70]

I thought things at one time not that long ago couldn't get much worse either it was around when jack Ross was sacked and then we appointed Shaun Maloney who signed guys like Mitchell , Henderson , things can always get worse imo. Motherwell have improved though this is the same guy that was dismissed at Ross county , Aberdeen have certainly hit a purple patch under there new manager though I'd say it's a bit early to say if either is a good manager in fairness.

The two transfer windows have been a complete disaster with the club admitting to making mistakes in the first one and the second one being a hard one to do business in . As to losing every week , we have lost our last two games Motherwell , Dundee Utd which is two poor results no getting away from it though we can still make top 6th and push for European place . I think LJ will do alright in the summer if he can shift guys like Henderson who was giving a 3 year deal out along with a few more out.

What was our league position when we sacked Ross? Was it not 7th or am I getting mixed up? If it was, things didn’t get worse, they stayed about the same.

[Trinity Hibee]

Kean getting the gig?

Seems to have done a good job with the 19s. Might be worth a shot

[bingo70]

Seems to have done a good job with the 19s. Might be worth a shot

No harm in giving him the job until the end of the season.

[Donegal Hibby]

What was our league position when we sacked Ross? Was it not 7th or am I getting mixed up? If it was, things didn’t get worse, they stayed about the same.
Getting rid of Ross to hire Maloney made things significantly worse imo and is something we are still paying for even now .

[Trinity Hibee]

Getting rid of Ross to hire Maloney made things significantly worse imo and is something we are still paying for even now .

In hindsight yes but Ross was on a shocking run of something like one win in 10/11 games. Neilson has been sacked for one win in 7

[Paulie Walnuts]

What was our league position when we sacked Ross? Was it not 7th or am I getting mixed up? If it was, things didn’t get worse, they stayed about the same.

It was 7th. Think we finished 8th? Things didn’t change all that much in terms of picking up points. We bored everyone to death with draws to see the season out.

[bingo70]

Getting rid of Ross to hire Maloney made things significantly worse imo and is something we are still paying for even now .

I disagree but it’s not really relevant to the point just now.

I didn’t like Ross but I understand the argument he had credit in the bank to get longer. The only argument I can see for keeping LJ is because we don’t want to sack another manager.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I disagree but it’s not really relevant to the point just now.

I didn’t like Ross but I understand the argument he had credit in the bank to get longer. The only argument I can see for keeping LJ is because we don’t want to sack another manager.

That is the only argument. There simply is no other argument. And keeping him because you just don’t want to sack another manager despite the fact they’re woefully underperforming is mental.

[LewysGot2]

Getting rid of Ross to hire Maloney made things significantly worse imo and is something we are still paying for even now .

Maloney was a massive mistake.

Ross had lost the fan base - people were bored and fed up. No plan B. Conservative with a small c.

Sportsound still banging on today on the drive home about how we never should have sacked him. Jobs for the boys…

[neil7908]

I disagree but it’s not really relevant to the point just now.

I didn’t like Ross but I understand the argument he had credit in the bank to get longer. The only argument I can see for keeping LJ is because we don’t want to sack another manager.

This. What happened in the past is irrelevant. We just need to decide if LJ is the one to achieve the goals Ron set out when he took over the club.

In which case he has to go. I sincerely hope that we are planning for this already, and even if he doesn't go tomorrow, we have a plan for when (and it's when) he does go.

[madhatter]

Maloney was a massive mistake.

Ross had lost the fan base - people were bored and fed up. No plan B. Conservative with a small c.

Sportsound still banging on today on the drive home about how we never should have sacked him. Jobs for the boys…

We shouldn't have sacked him? Why didn't they say the same for the relegation threatened Dundee United? If he was so good why didn't they keep him?

It's either a targeted thing against Hibs or just mouthpieces leaking soundbites for attention. We're a popular target, "Hibs'd it" being used in the media tells it all. Pretty sure they said we "Hibs'd it" multiple times under Ross.

[Northernhibee]

I usually feel bad when we sack a manager. There’s a human being there at the end of the day and it’s not pleasant for anybody.

After the “naive” and “green” comments, I couldn’t care less with LJ. I said before the game that it was another baffling line up to have two inexperienced centre backs and then not even Stevenson at LB to up the experience in the back line. Even a half fit Devlin would offer a bit of nous against an experienced operator like Fletcher.

Fish making his first start at right back against Hearts at Tynecastle was letting him down then. E-R and Fish at CB against an ex international was naive and green in itself.

[jeffers]

I usually feel bad when we sack a manager. There’s a human being there at the end of the day and it’s not pleasant for anybody.

After the “naive” and “green” comments, I couldn’t care less with LJ. I said before the game that it was another baffling line up to have two inexperienced centre backs and then not even Stevenson at LB to up the experience in the back line. Even a half fit Devlin would offer a bit of nous against an experienced operator like Fletcher.

Fish making his first start at right back against Hearts at Tynecastle was letting him down then. E-R and Fish at CB against an ex international was naive and green in itself.

When we sack him I’ll be absolutely delighted. His comments today are more of the same, deflecting from his selection and turning it on the players. He’s an utter snake.

[Hibs90]

Rumours just wishful thinking then? If he was gone it would have been leaked in the press by now.

[bingo70]

When we sack him I’ll be absolutely delighted. His comments today are more of the same, deflecting from his selection and turning it on the players. He’s an utter snake.

I just can’t see what he’s thinking.

Even if he thought it was Youanns fault what is to gain by publicly slating him for the miss other than to say ‘it’s no my fault, it’s his’

Same applies to slating Fish for the penalty.

I think we would all agree both players should have done better but he needs them to perform for him next weekend so why not try and protect them instead of blaming them?!

What about the chances Dundee Utd missed? He taking any responsibility for them?

[Steve20]

Nothing in the rumours. He’s going nowhere, which just shows you how pathetic the club are for accepting this garbage.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Nothing in the rumours. He’s going nowhere, which just shows you how pathetic the club are for accepting this garbage.

Gut feeling or have you heard otherwise?


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[cameronw-hfc]

The mistake wasn't sacking Ross, it was bringing in Maloney to replace him.

That January was pivotal. We had a poor run, but a good replacement for Ross and a good few singing would have been enough to get top 5 at least and we would have been building from a better position last summer.

Bringing in Maloney and screwing up recruitment in that window so badly cost us more than anything. Now instead of building up from top 6/5 with potential euro money, we are trying to get back into the top 6 without that money.

I also think Lee has shown enough to say he won't work here. I don't think he's a bad manager, but it's not working for him, I hope he makes me eat my words by going and getting top 6 though, if we get top 6, I think he deserves another go. If he doesn't and its looking more likely we're back in one of his poor runs(streaky Lee seems like his nickname is true), the he should go and I think he's been unlucky but not to the point we should miss out on top 6.

[jeffers]

Gut feeling or have you heard otherwise?


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Posted on the PM board. I heard as things stand his position isn’t under any consideration.

[Trinity Hibee]

The mistake wasn't sacking Ross, it was bringing in Maloney to replace him.

That January was pivotal. We had a poor run, but a good replacement for Ross and a good few singing would have been enough to get top 5 at least and we would have been building from a better position last summer.

Bringing in Maloney and screwing up recruitment in that window so badly cost us more than anything. Now instead of building up from top 6/5 with potential euro money, we are trying to get back into the top 6 without that money.

I also think Lee has shown enough to say he won't work here. I don't think he's a bad manager, but it's not working for him, I hope he makes me eat my words by going and getting top 6 though, if we get top 6, I think he deserves another go. If he doesn't and its looking more likely we're back in one of his poor runs(streaky Lee seems like his nickname is true), the he should go and I think he's been unlucky but not to the point we should miss out on top 6.

We are seeing the same end to last season. Just need one win to secure top 6 and we aren’t able to do versus teams in the lower half of the league. It’s a sad state of affairs

If we lose next week you can virtually guarantee that hearts have put us in the bottom 6 two seasons in a row.

[pacorosssco]

Posted on the PM board. I heard as things stand his position isn’t under any consideration.

He is a yes man. Model at club is to make money on loan players and sell speculative signings on not league position. Johnson is here to do as told nothing more. Hell sign raft new gambles loans for next season as told

[hibsbollah]

I just can’t see what he’s thinking.

Even if he thought it was Youanns fault what is to gain by publicly slating him for the miss other than to say ‘it’s no my fault, it’s his’

Same applies to slating Fish for the penalty.

I think we would all agree both players should have done better but he needs them to perform for him next weekend so why not try and protect them instead of blaming them?!

What about the chances Dundee Utd missed? He taking any responsibility for them?

It’s a call for resources.
He’s channeling his hidden Conte.
We need a Porteous replacement.

[Ronniekirk]

He is a yes man. Model at club is to make money on loan players and sell speculative signings on not league position. Johnson is here to do as told nothing more. Hell sign raft new gambles loans for next season as told
But we are losing money just now so the model isn’t working l

[Scotty Leither]

He is a yes man. Model at club is to make money on loan players and sell speculative signings on not league position. Johnson is here to do as told nothing more. Hell sign raft new gambles loans for next season as told

Which is why we need new owners and fresh ideas, and to give the fan base some kind of indication that as someone else succinctly put elsewhere on here tonight that their expectations matches ours.

[pacorosssco]

But we are losing money just now so the model isn’t working l

Doesn't mean the owners won't hope it will.

[Smartie]

I just can’t see what he’s thinking.

Even if he thought it was Youanns fault what is to gain by publicly slating him for the miss other than to say ‘it’s no my fault, it’s his’

Same applies to slating Fish for the penalty.

I think we would all agree both players should have done better but he needs them to perform for him next weekend so why not try and protect them instead of blaming them?!

What about the chances Dundee Utd missed? He taking any responsibility for them?

I liked him at the start but this is happening too often for my liking.

Not saying for a second I know better but you sort of like to think you can see what a manager is trying to do, or if he does something daft it's either in a position where there were mitigating factors or nothing to lose.

He just seems to make strange decisions. Often.

It's as if he's been told he won't be sacked whatever the outcome of the games or the season is, and he carries on with reckless abandon trying wacky experimental stuff every step of the way.

Obviously we know nothing about the opposition this time but I'd be staggered if he had what it took to mastermind a derby win, unless he landed on it through pot luck. And that's not really something you should be tolerating in a Hibs manager.

[madhatter]

He is a yes man. Model at club is to make money on loan players and sell speculative signings on not league position. Johnson is here to do as told nothing more. Hell sign raft new gambles loans for next season as told

How do you make money on loan players? Are you thinking Hibs are getting a fee for playing Fish, CJ, Myko etc.?

[pacorosssco]

How do you make money on loan players? Are you thinking Hibs are getting a fee for playing Fish, CJ, Myko etc.?

Hibs can be paid fee of sell on after giving a player game time. Everything is about money in football and big teams no longer want get rid they would rather loan and negotiate all kind of sell ons .

[TrumpIsAPeado]

Lee Johnson was slavering before the game about us "punching above our weight". Regular top 4 positions, reaching semi finals and getting into Europe would not be punching above our weight. It should be the standard for a club like ours. Instead we regularly fall short of where we should be consistently.

[Scotty Leither]

Lee Johnson was slavering before the game about us "punching above our weight". Regular top 4 positions, reaching semi finals and getting into Europe would not be punching above our weight. It should be the standard for a club like ours. Instead we regularly fall short of where we should be consistently.

He said we had to “live within our means too”. Sounded like a guy really “on message” with our inert Board.

[Brooster]

Hibs can be paid fee of sell on after giving a player game time. Everything is about money in football and big teams no longer want get rid they would rather loan and negotiate all kind of sell ons .

Are you making that up? Hibs are more likely to be paying Man United and City to have Fish and ER here.

[pacorosssco]

The sacking of Maloney and sadly the untimely death of owner is only reason he's still here 3 defensive midfielders last week at home said he's not got a clue

[Callum_62]

He said we had to “live within our means too”. Sounded like a guy really “on message” with our inert Board.He was relaying what Ron Gordon wanted before his death

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[pacorosssco]

He was relaying what Ron Gordon wanted before his death

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Agreed we should and need to live in our means but we sacked two previous managers who didn't cut it per Rons wishes

[TrumpIsAPeado]

Agreed we should and need to live in our means but we sacked two previous managers who didn't cut it per Rons wishes

And when we're constantly paying off the previous incumbents while living within our means, the budget takes a hit. We'll then bring in a new manager, become falsely optimistic, the manager will become frustrated with board interference and lack of ambition, the performances on the park will suffer, he will then get the sack which we have to pay for, rinse and repeat.

[Vault Boy]

Alan Stubbs, Neil Lennon, David Gray, **** it… Jack Ross - I don’t really care who it is at this stage, we need a caretaker for the rest of the season with eyes on a permanent solution come summer.

I can’t grit my teeth through another nonsensical, middle-management buzzword filled, meandering, self-aggrandising, Brentesque interview from Lee Johnson or I’ll combust. I’d honestly rather listen to Meghan Trainor’s entire discography in one sitting.

[GreenCastle]

One of the arguments for sticking with Johnson is that any replacement would have to rebuild the team, resulting in yet another transitional period. But can we trust him to do the same given this season's shambles?

Whether LJ stays or not the team needs a rebuild.

Feels like the sacking is coming - we just seem to wait and wait till things get so bad before acting.

Should have happened months ago but we decided to try not make a change.

If we don’t get into the top 6 is this awful league then serious questions will be asked. Even out current position is a concern considering how bad Hearts and especially Aberdeen have been.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Alan Stubbs, Neil Lennon, David Gray, **** it… Jack Ross - I don’t really care who it is at this stage, we need a caretaker for the rest of the season with eyes on a permanent solution come summer.

I can’t grit my teeth through another nonsensical, middle-management buzzword filled, meandering, self-aggrandising, Brentesque interview from Lee Johnson or I’ll combust. I’d honestly rather listen to Meghan Trainor’s entire discography in one sitting.

Agree until the last sentence, **** that


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[Is It On....]

And when we're constantly paying off the previous incumbents while living within our means, the budget takes a hit. We'll then bring in a new manager, become falsely optimistic, the manager will become frustrated with board interference and lack of ambition, the performances on the park will suffer, he will then get the sack which we have to pay for, rinse and repeat.

I don't think we lack ambition rather a misguided faith belief in people in important positions. Managerial selection hasn't worked and player recruitment has been generally poor since Mathie was ousted. Johnson, in my opinion, has a streaky record because he doesn't know why things work so doesn't know how to change it when things don't work. We clearly urgently need a reset in the recruitment department so maybe Ben can pick up the phone and have a wee chat with Brighton whom we supposedly have a link with to see if they can give us any advice.

[Vault Boy]

Agree until the last sentence, **** that


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It’s a close one, but when I think about Lee Johnson saying ‘gravitas’ again, my eyes begin to retract into my skull.

[Northernhibee]

And when we're constantly paying off the previous incumbents while living within our means, the budget takes a hit. We'll then bring in a new manager, become falsely optimistic, the manager will become frustrated with board interference and lack of ambition, the performances on the park will suffer, he will then get the sack which we have to pay for, rinse and repeat.
You see, this is also a big part of the problem. Simply put, I don’t trust that the club will be any better with a new manager when the manager will be picked by the same people, and have the same squad. No idea what is happening with the director of football either.

Lee Johnson’s time is up, in fact it’s five past Lee Johnson. That doesn’t mean that he’s the only problem.

We’ve supposedly upped the wage bill by a fair bit and have a considerably poorer squad.

That’s really not a healthy place to be.

[Unseen work]

Too easy to just blame the manager.

3 pens conceded in 3 games.

First couple of minutes today Nisbet misses a sitter which he should bury. Score that early against the team bottom of the league their crowd gets on top of them, we settle and can counter them.

Players passing the ball out of the park under no pressure, poor touches etc isn’t on the manager and the last 2 games we’ve done that plenty.

We can speak about tactics etc and yes of course they make a difference, but first and foremost you need to do the basics which our players haven’t and have really struggled with.

Unfortunately I think a few players are really struggling confidence wise right now and it’s showing, they’re unable to get into and play with any flow, it’s so stop start and ponderous.

Massive 2 games next which we need to win to get top 6.

Unfortunately it feels a bit like last season where we keep saying if we win this game etc. hearts and st Johnstone up, 2 teams we tend to struggle against.

Again I don’t want him sacked, probably more to do with the club over the past 2 years than him.

I just hope we get top 6 and then kick on and finish 5th. Get a DoF in, summer transfers done early with real quality and enjoy Europe whilst we can and really kick on next season - this one was always going to be a struggle imo.

[Northernhibee]

Too easy to just blame the manager.

3 pens conceded in 3 games.

First couple of minutes today Nisbet misses a sitter which he should bury. Score that early against the team bottom of the league their crowd gets on top of them, we settle and can counter them.

Players passing the ball out of the park under no pressure, poor touches etc isn’t on the manager and the last 2 games we’ve done that plenty.

We can speak about tactics etc and yes of course they make a difference, but first and foremost you need to do the basics which our players haven’t and have really struggled with.

Unfortunately I think a few players are really struggling confidence wise right now and it’s showing, they’re unable to get into and play with any flow, it’s so stop start and ponderous.

Massive 2 games next which we need to win to get top 6.

Unfortunately it feels a bit like last season where we keep saying if we win this game etc. hearts and st Johnstone up, 2 teams we tend to struggle against.

Again I don’t want him sacked, probably more to do with the club over the past 2 years than him.

I just hope we get top 6 and then kick on and finish 5th. Get a DoF in, summer transfers done early with real quality and enjoy Europe whilst we can and really kick on next season - this one was always going to be a struggle imo.
Managers job to build confidence in the players and you don’t do that by singling them out in post match interviews.

Managers jobs to coach the players to a standard where they make good decisions, know how we play, and show enough skill so we don’t need to rely on luck. We sometimes look utterly disjointed and like eleven individuals doing what the hell they want to.

[Unseen work]

Managers job to build confidence in the players and you don’t do that by singling them out in post match interviews.

Managers jobs to coach the players to a standard where they make good decisions, know how we play, and show enough skill so we don’t need to rely on luck. We sometimes look utterly disjointed and like eleven individuals doing what the hell they want to.

A manager can only do so much for a players confidence, it comes down to the player themselves at the end of the day. I thought he stood up for EJ and Fish more than most would after the game by saying they played well but made mistakes for the goals which they did, they would probably be the first to tell you and won’t be angry at Johnson for that comment.


I think in Scottish football as a whole tactics only go so far, certainly not as big an emphasis as in England. I actually think the players know what they should do as you can see patterns of play, the issue is the quality when they get there.

[Ozyhibby]

A manager can only do so much for a players confidence, it comes down to the player themselves at the end of the day. I thought he stood up for EJ and Fish more than most would after the game by saying they played well but made mistakes for the goals which they did, they would probably be the first to tell you and won’t be angry at Johnson for that comment.


I think in Scottish football as a whole tactics only go so far, certainly not as big an emphasis as in England. I actually think the players know what they should do as you can see patterns of play, the issue is the quality when they get there.

The manager is responsible for success on the pitch. If he’s not delivering then he needs to go.


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[Donegal Hibby]

The manager is responsible for success on the pitch. If he’s not delivering then he needs to go.


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So he is though when it's happening over and over again under different managers maybe it's not all the managers fault and maybe it's time to look at the bigger picture ( recruitment, people running the club , current players ) and see if it can be fixed from repeatedly happening which it is imo.

[matty_f]

We talked about Johnson's streaky nature when we recorded Extra Time last night, he's streaky not because of some mad coincidence or good and bad luck, but because as soon as we lose he rips it up and starts again.
There’s a fact that there are more combinations of chess moves than there are atoms in the known universe - i think we can’t be far off that number with the combination of changes of system, formation, positions and players this season.
Who could confidently predict the line up on Saturday? Who predicted it yesterday?

How the **** are the players supposed to get what they’re meant to be doing when one defeat throws everything out the window?

[Nicho87]

He lacks ideas,

We look ordinary
Easy to play against

We keep trying this newell long throw also I’ve never seen it work once

Our sole tactic is down the side cut back for Nisbet

We are so bad, his biggest mistake was not doing his homework under maloney time and saying he needs 2 new midfielders. To go with what he had for the start of the season was his own fault

Players like Jeggo aren’t good enough to change the tide.

Fed up of his same interviews, positives etc

He should be binned once we lose next week. Time to be ruthless

[bingo70]

We talked about Johnson's streaky nature when we recorded Extra Time last night, he's streaky not because of some mad coincidence or good and bad luck, but because as soon as we lose he rips it up and starts again.
There’s a fact that there are more combinations of chess moves than there are atoms in the known universe - i think we can’t be far off that number with the combination of changes of system, formation, positions and players this season.
Who could confidently predict the line up on Saturday? Who predicted it yesterday?

How the **** are the players supposed to get what they’re meant to be doing when one defeat throws everything out the window?

I agree, it’s not a coincidence, I also think publicly blaming players after a defeat won’t help us get out of a rut.

Whether it’s true or not is neither here nor there as he needs these players onside.

[hibsbollah]

Too easy to just blame the manager.

3 pens conceded in 3 games.

First couple of minutes today Nisbet misses a sitter which he should bury. Score that early against the team bottom of the league their crowd gets on top of them, we settle and can counter them.

Players passing the ball out of the park under no pressure, poor touches etc isn’t on the manager and the last 2 games we’ve done that plenty.

We can speak about tactics etc and yes of course they make a difference, but first and foremost you need to do the basics which our players haven’t and have really struggled with.

Unfortunately I think a few players are really struggling confidence wise right now and it’s showing, they’re unable to get into and play with any flow, it’s so stop start and ponderous.

Massive 2 games next which we need to win to get top 6.

Unfortunately it feels a bit like last season where we keep saying if we win this game etc. hearts and st Johnstone up, 2 teams we tend to struggle against.

Again I don’t want him sacked, probably more to do with the club over the past 2 years than him.

I just hope we get top 6 and then kick on and finish 5th. Get a DoF in, summer transfers done early with real quality and enjoy Europe whilst we can and really kick on next season - this one was always going to be a struggle imo.

Agree with this, broadly. Crap performances from far too many players is the key issue here.

Saying that, I can’t really say I’d be broken-hearted if he gets the boot. I’ve given him a pass for a long time now because of our shocking bad luck with injuries but really he should have worked out by now what he’s going to do with the defence when Paul Hanlon isn’t available FFS.

[Scorrie]

He lacks ideas,

We look ordinary
Easy to play against

We keep trying this newell long throw also I’ve never seen it work once

Our sole tactic is down the side cut back for Nisbet

We are so bad, his biggest mistake was not doing his homework under maloney time and saying he needs 2 new midfielders. To go with what he had for the start of the season was his own fault

Players like Jeggo aren’t good enough to change the tide.

Fed up of his same interviews, positives etc

He should be binned once we lose next week. Time to be ruthless

I would be ruthless now and wouldn’t give him next week. We have looked shambolic the last couple of games and his derby record is shocking and as for his post match interview…jeezo.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I would be ruthless now and wouldn’t give him next week. We have looked shambolic the last couple of games and his derby record is shocking and as for his post match interview…jeezo.

:agree:

[Svengali]

For me it’s a combination of all of the above..LJ selection & formation bingo and players making basic mistakes and a lack of desire.


1st goal yesterday, sure Egan-Riley is ball watching but watch Campbell, his only thought is to put his arms behind his back to avoid a penalty, get ******ing out to it and stop the cross!

Marshall basic mistakes last week, players making wrong choices, cant make simple passes. Thats on the players individually not a manager.

Getting to the manager, team selections…. Hoppe/McKirdy… they’ve shown nothing, yet he’s kept Myko on the bench who scores yesterday.. Hoppe doesnt get on at all.


Plays two young lads at CH, whilst an experienced Scottish defender warms the bench.

Miller does well in Celtic game, benched.

We need to give the youngsters a chance, not seen them for weeks…

The introduction of Jair just summed it all up….

Shambles. Players who cant do basics or have desire and a manager hoping he will find a winning formula.

[Clarence]

We talked about Johnson's streaky nature when we recorded Extra Time last night, he's streaky not because of some mad coincidence or good and bad luck, but because as soon as we lose he rips it up and starts again.
There’s a fact that there are more combinations of chess moves than there are atoms in the known universe - i think we can’t be far off that number with the combination of changes of system, formation, positions and players this season.
Who could confidently predict the line up on Saturday? Who predicted it yesterday?

How the **** are the players supposed to get what they’re meant to be doing when one defeat throws everything out the window?

He also appears to the general who is constantly fighting his last war as opposed to fielding a team that is suitable for his present opponents.

He’s an odd combination of method and emotion. He seems to be really emotionally affected by what he sees on a Saturday and then that dominates his thoughts for the next week but instead of putting that into the context of how the opponents are likely to line up and making that the focus, he falls back on stats to try to prove to himself that statistically, the team he is fielding is the best team for the job and then if it doesn’t succeed that’s down the players human error - not his fault. He has called out player human error a few times and I think it’s telling about his mindset.

[GreenCastle]

His time at Hibs has pretty much been similar to his other clubs. So not surprised it’s so inconsistent and we have had some hammerings.

It’s odd we haven’t started a single youngster this season when our young team has been doing the best they have done for years.

The last 2 derby games have been awful - the only way he keeps his job (if he isn’t binned before) is if he wins this weekend.

[Trinity Hibee]

For me it’s a combination of all of the above..LJ selection & formation bingo and players making basic mistakes and a lack of desire.


1st goal yesterday, sure Egan-Riley is ball watching but watch Campbell, his only thought is to put his arms behind his back to avoid a penalty, get ******ing out to it and stop the cross!

Marshall basic mistakes last week, players making wrong choices, cant make simple passes. Thats on the players individually not a manager.

Getting to the manager, team selections…. Hoppe/McKirdy… they’ve shown nothing, yet he’s kept Myko on the bench who scores yesterday.. Hoppe doesnt get on at all.


Plays two young lads at CH, whilst an experienced Scottish defender warms the bench.

Miller does well in Celtic game, benched.

We need to give the youngsters a chance, not seen them for weeks…

The introduction of Jair just summed it all up….

Shambles. Players who cant do basics or have desire and a manager hoping he will find a winning formula.

I noticed the lack of closing down the cross for the first. That’s been an achillies heel for a few years now particularly given we lack presence to deal with crosses in central defence. Compare that with how johnston for Celtic dealt with Kent on Saturday, got tight as soon as he could and didn’t give him time to pick a pass/cross. It’s surely basics to close down the cross?

[WhileTheChief..]

We talked about Johnson's streaky nature when we recorded Extra Time last night, he's streaky not because of some mad coincidence or good and bad luck, but because as soon as we lose he rips it up and starts again.
There’s a fact that there are more combinations of chess moves than there are atoms in the known universe - i think we can’t be far off that number with the combination of changes of system, formation, positions and players this season.
Who could confidently predict the line up on Saturday? Who predicted it yesterday?

How the **** are the players supposed to get what they’re meant to be doing when one defeat throws everything out the window?

What a marvellous fact to bring to the table.

Thanks for sharing.

[flash]

He should definitely go at the end of the season and there's a pretty decent argument that he should go now while we still have something to play for.

We have only won a handful of games this season where we have played the full match against 11 men.

We have exited both Cup competitions in embarrassing fashion, particularly the League Cup when you take the points deduction into account.

We have 2 draws and 2 defeats against Hertz scoring only 1 goal in these matches.

We haven't laid a glove on the Old Firm other than when Rangers were down to 9 men.

We have lost to every other team in the league this season and haven't managed to beat the team that lies bottom of the table.

Every team selection is an absolute lottery with the manager's preferred players being shoehorned in regardless of what that does to the shape of the team.

Substitutions are often too late and difficult to work out their purpose.

Interviews are full of cliched jargon other than when the players are being blamed for everything. (The players deserve a lot of criticism incidentally as well as the manager.)

Despite our youth team standing toe to toe with some of Europe's best none of these guys are trusted to play first team football.

That will do for now. Feel free to add anything i have missed.

[Crab apple]

LJ says that having two inexperienced centre halfs cost us. That's true but he picked them. And if we don't have adequate replacements when Hanlon gets injured who is at fault for not signing them in the January window.

[JimBHibees]

We talked about Johnson's streaky nature when we recorded Extra Time last night, he's streaky not because of some mad coincidence or good and bad luck, but because as soon as we lose he rips it up and starts again.
There’s a fact that there are more combinations of chess moves than there are atoms in the known universe - i think we can’t be far off that number with the combination of changes of system, formation, positions and players this season.
Who could confidently predict the line up on Saturday? Who predicted it yesterday?

How the **** are the players supposed to get what they’re meant to be doing when one defeat throws everything out the window?

Agree apart from the atoms bit which I didn't understand. :greengrin

The two teams and shape last week and this were horrendous made no sense. Hoppe and McKirdy starting in front of Kukarevich really. Preparation from the international break coming into two massive games looks and feels shambolic. We don't look physically sharp at all imo. Two winnable games lost due to it also of course individual errors. We have kocked up a massive chance even if four points now pressure right on. He deserves every criticism he is getting at the moment. Start with a front three of Nisbet Kuka and Youan and work from there. Keep it simple which I don't think he likes to do apart from not being able to defend.

[JimBHibees]

He should definitely go at the end of the season and there's a pretty decent argument that he should go now while we still have something to play for.

We have only won a handful of games this season where we have played the full match against 11 men.

We have exited both Cup competitions in embarrassing fashion, particularly the League Cup when you take the points deduction into account.

We have 2 draws and 2 defeats against Hertz scoring only 1 goal in these matches.

We haven't laid a glove on the Old Firm other than when Rangers were down to 9 men.

We have lost to every other team in the league this season and haven't managed to beat the team that lies bottom of the table.

Every team selection is an absolute lottery with the manager's preferred players being shoehorned in regardless of what that does to the shape of the team.

Substitutions are often too late and difficult to work out their purpose.

Interviews are full of cliched jargon other than when the players are being blamed for everything. (The players deserve a lot of criticism incidentally as well as the manager.)

Despite our youth team standing toe to toe with some of Europe's best none of these guys are trusted to play first team football.

That will do for now. Feel free to add anything i have missed.

Good post though think Hearts is one draw and two defeats. Our record against the two bottom teams in the league is 5 points out of 18 including 1 out of 9 against bottom one. Was kind of on board with letting him next season however last two performances have been awful. No doubt have another Derby no show to look forward to top it off.

[B.H.F.C]

Had enough of him and the nonsense he continually talks.

A better ‘technical performance’ he called it yesterday whatever that means. Sitting in the stand yesterday all I saw was a team totally lacking in ideas, with little ability who were struggling (again) against a side bottom of the league who haven’t won a game for months.

We need to rebuild in the summer like we did last summer. He’s already made a mess of it once, I wouldn’t be giving him another go.

[Heisenberg]

He got off very lightly after the last pumping from Hearts in the cup. Fans can’t let him off the hook if (most likely when) the same happens again.

[WhileTheChief..]

Agree apart from e atoms bit which I didn't understand. :greengrin

The two teams and shape last week and this were horrendous made no sense. Hoppe and McKirdy starting in front of Kukarevich really. Preparation from the international break coming into two massive games looks and feels shambolic. We don't look physically sharp at all imo. Two winnable games lost due to it also of course individual errors. We have kocked up a massive chance even if four points now pressure right on. He deserves every criticism he is getting at the moment. Start with a front three of Nisbet Kuka and Youan and work from there. Keep it simple which I don't think he likes to do apart from not being able to defend.

Prof Brian Cox talks about us being able to see trillions of galaxies, each with billions or trillions of stars, each of which has so many planets.

It’s impossible to try and understand these numbers, let alone the number of atoms!!

So for chess to have more possible moves is like, out of this universe, mind-bogglingly, hard to try and understand :greengrin

[BegbieHSC]

Motherwell at home and Dundee United should have been very winnable games.
Instead we lose them both, and instead of leapfrogging Hearts and be a point behind third, we’re 7 points behind Aberdeen, who we beat 6-0 just a couple of months ago. 5 points behind a Hearts side who have been on such a woeful run, they sacked the manager who very convincingly won the Championship, and had them playing group stage European football in Florence just a few months ago. We’re a Livingston victory in one of their two remaining games from yet another bottom six finish, as frankly under Johnson I don’t see us winning either of our remaining fixtures.

Lee needs to go. With so much at stake, we can’t be going from a short good run of form, to streaks of pish, enveloping any good, and wrecking our season.

Under Johnson, we’ve been shambolic in every meaningful game. Papped out both cups the first round of asking. Hammered in derbies - barely lain a glove on the OF.

The fans are not to blame. We’ve shown up in numbers this season - we sold out against ****ing St Johnstone at home (of which, of course is a game we lose.) We deserve so much better than this gutless squad and incompetent manager.

[JimBHibees]

Prof Brian Cox talks about us being able to see trillions of galaxies, each with billions or trillions of stars, each of which has so many planets.

It’s impossible to try and understand these numbers, let alone the number of atoms!!

So for chess to have more possible moves is like, out of this universe, mind-bogglingly, hard to try and understand :greengrin

Thanks for the explanation afraid my minuscule brain doesn't understand these things. :greengrin

[JimBHibees]

Motherwell at home and Dundee United should have been very winnable games.
Instead we lose them both, and instead of leapfrogging Hearts and be a point behind third, we’re 7 points behind Aberdeen, who we beat 6-0 just a couple of months ago. 5 points behind a Hearts side who have been on such a woeful run, they sacked the manager who very convincingly won the Championship, and had them playing group stage European football in Florence just a few months ago. We’re a Livingston victory in one of their two remaining games from yet another bottom six finish, as frankly under Johnson I don’t see us winning either of our remaining fixtures.

Lee needs to go. With so much at stake, we can’t be going from a short good run of form, to streaks of pish, enveloping any good, and wrecking our season.

Under Johnson, we’ve been shambolic in every meaningful game. Papped out both cups the first round of asking. Hammered in derbies - barely lain a glove on the OF.

The fans are not to blame. We’ve shown up in numbers this season - we sold out against ****ing St Johnstone at home (of which, of course is a game we lose.) We deserve so much better than this gutless squad and incompetent manager.

4 out of 6 should have been minimum the last two games would have ensured top 6 and put us in the running for European fight. Nowhere near good enough. Deserved to lose both games. United missed two sitters at one nil up.

[mcfly]

People who say we can’t afford to sack him I have to disagree.

Has he improved us No.

Yo yo manager, get 2-3 wins fans get a boost then loses 5 or 6 in a row.

No consistency at all, talks utter rubbish in his interviews.

People may disagree with me but Easter road for past 3-4 yrs since Lennon left has become silent. No atmosphere, huge gaps in the stands.

recruitment is just awful. Top 3 was there for the taking, yet again hibs bottle it when pressure is on.

I was hopeful we could get a result sat no nelson is gone hearts will get a big boost. Johnson has to win this derby or he must go..

[Hibby70]

Prof Brian Cox talks about us being able to see trillions of galaxies, each with billions or trillions of stars, each of which has so many planets.

It’s impossible to try and understand these numbers, let alone the number of atoms!!

So for chess to have more possible moves is like, out of this universe, mind-bogglingly, hard to try and understand :greengrin
Only if you count illegal moves.

Ringothedog - get counting mate.

[GreenCastle]

6-1 loss to Celtic going on more
4-0 loss to Celtic at home
4-1 loss to a terrible Aberdeen side at the time (they have sacked manager).
4-1 loss to Huns at home awful performance.
3-1 home loss to Motherwell (awful performance).
2-1 Loss after being up 1-0 up to St J at home - full crowd massive let down.
Lost to bottom of the league Dundee United twice
Lost in league cup against part time teams Morton and Falkirk
Lost to St Mirren, Livingston and Ross County
Lost 2 derbies 3-0 and hasn’t won a derby in 3 attempts- only scoring 1 goal in last minute. (Hearts also now sacked manager).
12 Wins - 8 of them against 10 men.
The losses aren’t just close games they are games we collapse due to lack of leadership and character throughout the team.

The club have hired some crap managers recently
The manager is to blame
Recruitment has been a joke
X1 new midfielder signed in summer and x1 in January.
Zero young players have started a game for us this season.
Full of injured players and players who have contributed nothing except picking up free money.
Not enough experience when things get tough.
No leadership - mainly due to young inexperienced loan players
6 players who played yesterday also played last season

I wasn’t convinced when he was hired and even was raging with the league cup mess but I was backing him early in season then we had awful form before winter break - could easily have been sacked but the break allowed board to come out with the DOF chat to take the heat off him.

The we did ok when we returned went on a run but last few weeks have shown what we are..pretty awful with rubbish recruitment .

I’m seriously fed up with the club once again this season. We just accept average results and performances and get average outcomes.

[Real Emerald]

6-1 loss to Celtic going on more
4-0 loss to Celtic at home
4-1 loss a terrible Aberdeen at the time
4-1 loss to Huns at home awful performance.
3-1 home loss to Motherwell (awful performance).
2-1 Loss after being up 1-0 up to St J at home - full crowd massive let down.
Lost to bottom of the league Dundee United twice
Lost in league cup against part time teams Morton and Falkirk
Lost to St Mirren, Livingston and Ross County
Lost 2 derbies 3-0 and hasn’t won a derby in 3 attempts- only scoring 1 goal in last minute.
12 Wins - 8 of them against 10 men.
The losses aren’t just close games they are games we collapse due to lack of leadership and character throughout the team.

The club have hired some crap managers recently
The manager is to blame
Recruitment has been a joke
X1 new midfielder signed in summer and x1 in January.
Zero young players have started a game for us this season.
Full of injured players and players who have contributed nothing except picking up free money.
Not enough experience when things get tough.
No leadership - mainly due to young inexperienced loan players
6 players who played yesterday also played last season

I wasn’t convinced when he was hired and even was raging with the league cup mess but I was backing him early in season then we had awful form before winter break - could easily have been sacked but the break allowed board to come out with the DOF chat to take the heat off him.

The we did ok when we returned went on a run but last few weeks have shown what we are..pretty awful with rubbish recruitment .

I’m seriously fed up with the club once again this season. We just accept average results and performances and get average outcomes.

Yep, there seems to be quite a lot wrong at the moment but the recruitment has been the worst we’ve probably ever seen. I can’t ever remember a time when we signed so many players who aren’t just not great, they are incapable of being able to play in this league, truly shocking.

The manager has to take some of the blame for this too as he allowed it to happen on his watch. We really need a manager who knows what type of players we need and be proactive in recruiting those players. Any manager who allows the club to sign the type of players we’ve brought in should be nowhere near the job.

[Tambo]

6-1 loss to Celtic going on more
4-0 loss to Celtic at home
4-1 loss a terrible Aberdeen at the time
4-1 loss to Huns at home awful performance.
3-1 home loss to Motherwell (awful performance).
2-1 Loss after being up 1-0 up to St J at home - full crowd massive let down.
Lost to bottom of the league Dundee United twice
Lost in league cup against part time teams Morton and Falkirk
Lost to St Mirren, Livingston and Ross County
Lost 2 derbies 3-0 and hasn’t won a derby in 3 attempts- only scoring 1 goal in last minute.
12 Wins - 8 of them against 10 men.
The losses aren’t just close games they are games we collapse due to lack of leadership and character throughout the team.

The club have hired some crap managers recently
The manager is to blame
Recruitment has been a joke
X1 new midfielder signed in summer and x1 in January.
Zero young players have started a game for us this season.
Full of injured players and players who have contributed nothing except picking up free money.
Not enough experience when things get tough.
No leadership - mainly due to young inexperienced loan players
6 players who played yesterday also played last season

I wasn’t convinced when he was hired and even was raging with the league cup mess but I was backing him early in season then we had awful form before winter break - could easily have been sacked but the break allowed board to come out with the DOF chat to take the heat off him.

The we did ok when we returned went on a run but last few weeks have shown what we are..pretty awful with rubbish recruitment .

I’m seriously fed up with the club once again this season. We just accept average results and performances and get average outcomes.

Very grim looking at all that even for us older fans who have been there before, the last two results and performances have left me more numb about the club than usual.

I don't think LJ has helped himself at times with team selections etc and even after half time the players was just as bad until we scored but still go on to get nothing from the result.

[Vault Boy]

There’s actually more atoms than they think. I’ve stockpiled hunners, hoping to hold the physicists to ransom.

LJ out.

[heretoday]

The players are a hopeless bunch.

[bingo70]

The players are a hopeless bunch.

I think the players are better than they are showing just now and a better manager could get a tune out of them.

Players don’t mean to play badly and I wouldn’t accuse them of a lack of effort, it’s just not clicking for them.

[sauzeelegod]

So he’s not emptied then? 😱

[Pretty Boy]

The players are a hopeless bunch.

The complete lack of quality in our squad is quite startling when you look at the money that has been thrown at it, our current 1st team squad is:

Marshall
Johnson

Miller
Cabraja
Hanlon
Cadden
Stevenson
Devlin
Fish
Egan Riley
Rocky

Magennis
Doyle Hayes
Tavares
Newell
Jeggo
Henderson
Campbell
McGeady
Boyle

Hoppe
Nisbet
McKirdy
Youan
Kukharevych

Take out those who's loans end at the end of the season, those who's contracts have yet to be renewed and others who are likely to leave and we are left with:

Marshall
Johnson

Miller
Cabraja
Hanlon
Cadden
Rocky

Magennis
Doyle Hayes
Tavares
Newell
Jeggo
Henderson
Campbell
Boyle

McKirdy

That is absolutely terrifying and shows the magnitude of the job that awaits in the summer. There's obviously players returning from loan but how many of them are we all that excited about, if they haven't been deemed good enough for this squad ahead of some of the dross above then it's hardly a ringing endorsement.

There's at least 4 there that I would be looking to shift and we probably need a goalkeeper, a LB, a CB or 2, 2 midfielders and 2 or 3 strikers. We aren't even talking all filler players either, a chunk of them would be needed to come in on 1st team wages as starters. It's an absolute mess.

[bingo70]

He’s gone, should be announced tomorrow morning


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Any more updates from your guy about this? Guessing it’s not happening now?

[Unseen work]

Where’s the rumour of him being sacked coming from?

[Box 17]

Case for the defence.

Long term injuries to Boyle, Magennis, Bushiri, McGeady, Nisbet (now back), added to the regular injuries picked up by others, have contributed hugely to our results and performances this season. I would argue that we've done reasonably well considering the loss of our best players for most of the season.

A team like Hibs don't have the financial resources to replace these players with similar quality in a transfer window or employ a huge squad. That's the reason the manager has at times had to cobble together a team with what's at his disposal and playing players who wouldn't otherwise get a game or playing others out of position.

That's the reality, folks. Get our best team on the park and we're finishing third no problem.

[bingo70]

Where’s the rumour of him being sacked coming from?

The poster EringoBraghHFC

Think there was another poster who said the same thing and said it came from one of the players but it’s looking unlikely now.

[JohnM1875]

The poster EringoBraghHFC

Think there was another poster who said the same thing and said it came from one of the players but it’s looking unlikely now.

Do we ever release a statement sacking a manager early on? Think it's usually later in the day? Just wishful thinking by me. Had enough of him.

[bingo70]

Case for the defence.

Long term injuries to Boyle, Magennis, Bushiri, McGeady, Nisbet (now back), added to the regular injuries picked up by others, have contributed hugely to our results and performances this season. I would argue that we've done reasonably well considering the loss of our best players for most of the season.

A team like Hibs don't have the financial resources to replace these players with similar quality in a transfer window or employ a huge squad. That's the reason the manager has at times had to cobble together a team with what's at his disposal and playing players who wouldn't otherwise get a game or playing others out of position.

That's the reality, folks. Get our best team on the park and we're finishing third no problem.

Did other teams not have any injuries?

Of the names you mentioned there, Mcgeady Is about 36 years old I think and was injured nearly all last season and Magennis is just always injured. If LJ thought he could rely on either of them then he deserves all the criticism he’s getting.

[Unseen work]

Case for the defence.

Long term injuries to Boyle, Magennis, Bushiri, McGeady, Nisbet (now back), added to the regular injuries picked up by others, have contributed hugely to our results and performances this season. I would argue that we've done reasonably well considering the loss of our best players for most of the season.

A team like Hibs don't have the financial resources to replace these players with similar quality in a transfer window or employ a huge squad. That's the reason the manager has at times had to cobble together a team with what's at his disposal and playing players who wouldn't otherwise get a game or playing others out of position.

That's the reality, folks. Get our best team on the park and we're finishing third no problem.

The injuries are massive, they’re to our best players, match winners and highest earners.

I don’t want him sacked, I don’t want another manager coming in and giving everyone another clean slate and rebuilding.

We’ll have targets identified now so hopefully in a much better place in the summer.

I can’t help but laugh at people wanting Lennon back after how his spell with us ended. The football was brutal and he was self obsessed.

[Svengali]

6-1 loss to Celtic going on more
4-0 loss to Celtic at home
4-1 loss to a terrible Aberdeen side at the time (they have sacked manager).
4-1 loss to Huns at home awful performance.
3-1 home loss to Motherwell (awful performance).
2-1 Loss after being up 1-0 up to St J at home - full crowd massive let down.
Lost to bottom of the league Dundee United twice
Lost in league cup against part time teams Morton and Falkirk
Lost to St Mirren, Livingston and Ross County
Lost 2 derbies 3-0 and hasn’t won a derby in 3 attempts- only scoring 1 goal in last minute. (Hearts also now sacked manager).
12 Wins - 8 of them against 10 men.
The losses aren’t just close games they are games we collapse due to lack of leadership and character throughout the team.

The club have hired some crap managers recently
The manager is to blame
Recruitment has been a joke
X1 new midfielder signed in summer and x1 in January.
Zero young players have started a game for us this season.
Full of injured players and players who have contributed nothing except picking up free money.
Not enough experience when things get tough.
No leadership - mainly due to young inexperienced loan players
6 players who played yesterday also played last season

I wasn’t convinced when he was hired and even was raging with the league cup mess but I was backing him early in season then we had awful form before winter break - could easily have been sacked but the break allowed board to come out with the DOF chat to take the heat off him.

The we did ok when we returned went on a run but last few weeks have shown what we are..pretty awful with rubbish recruitment .

I’m seriously fed up with the club once again this season. We just accept average results and performances and get average outcomes.

Hard to argue against, which is grim.

The thing is there have been performances and games I have really enjoyed this season: St Mirren (H), Aberdeen (H) x2, Livvy (H) 4-0 & (A) 4-1, Rangers (H) 2-2. Some games we had a man advantage but were playing well in the game
Prior to the sendings off

It’s the sheer inconsistency and stretches of poor form & good that I am completely fed up with. Still renewed though!

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Any more updates from your guy about this? Guessing it’s not happening now?

I’ll give him a ring when I get a chance mate a bit busy at work at the mo

Fully aware of the irony of me posting on Hibs.net whilst at work btw
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[bingo70]

I’ll give him a ring when I get a chance mate a bit busy at work at the mo


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Sounds like you need to get your priorities sorted pal. 😜

I’ve not done a bit of work the day for refreshing this website waiting to hear if he’s been sacked.

[Trinity Hibee]

Has he gone yet?

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Sounds like you need to get your priorities sorted pal. [emoji12]

I’ve not done a bit of work the day for refreshing this website waiting to hear if he’s been sacked.

Haha! Not sure my clients would be too happy about that [emoji23]


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[NC1875]

Is the imposter away yet ?

[Box 17]

Did other teams not have any injuries?

Of the names you mentioned there, Mcgeady Is about 36 years old I think and was injured nearly all last season and Magennis is just always injured. If LJ thought he could rely on either of them then he deserves all the criticism he’s getting.

Yes, all teams get injuries. However in our case it has been injuries to our best players - long term. They are all on contracts so can't be got rid of and because of that we can't spend lots more money bringing in quality replacements.

[May21/05/216]

Case for the defence.

Long term injuries to Boyle, Magennis, Bushiri, McGeady, Nisbet (now back), added to the regular injuries picked up by others, have contributed hugely to our results and performances this season. I would argue that we've done reasonably well considering the loss of our best players for most of the season.

A team like Hibs don't have the financial resources to replace these players with similar quality in a transfer window or employ a huge squad. That's the reason the manager has at times had to cobble together a team with what's at his disposal and playing players who wouldn't otherwise get a game or playing others out of position.

That's the reality, folks. Get our best team on the park and we're finishing third no problem.Agree with this post
But the all the folk that want him out will keep posting negatives as they did about hecky ross maloney and now Johnson I for one would give him the next two transfer windows

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[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Agree with this post
But the all the folk that want him out will keep posting negatives as they did about hecky ross maloney and now Johnson I for one would give him the next two transfer windows

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Based on what? He’s had two and made an arse of both


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[7Hero]

We really are a rudderless ship without the main man at the top influencing things, putting pressure on his employees, calling the shots !

Without Ron the direction, ambition and authority from what was an experienced and succesful businessman has sadly gone. We all have our views on Ron, ive been negative at times, but his family are in no place to replace him, and you would put money on them not being interested either.

Begs the questions then, Who is Kensell accountable too ?
Who cares enough to knock heads ?
Who will step up and fix it ?

Mcpherson ? The rest of the Board ? Does anyone have any faith in these guys ?

[May21/05/216]

Based on what? He’s had two and made an arse of both


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkBased on I would give managers 4 transfer windows not two as I think he's been unlucky with injuries to our best players
But if you think we should bin managers every two windows then that's fine

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[RossScott1991]

I don’t think we will get anywhere with Johnson as manager to be honest. Irrational team selections every week. Never settled on a system or best 11

[bingo70]

We really are a rudderless ship without the main man at the top influencing things, putting pressure on his employees, calling the shots !

Without Ron the direction, ambition and authority from what was an experienced and succesful businessman has sadly gone. We all have our views on Ron, ive been negative at times, but his family are in no place to replace him, and you would put money on them not being interested either.

Begs the questions then, Who is Kensell accountable too ?
Who cares enough to knock heads ?
Who will step up and fix it ?

Mcpherson ? The rest of the Board ? Does anyone have any faith in these guys ?

Couldn’t agree more.

There needs to be a plan and it would be good to hear from the current owners of the club.

I get that it’s a difficult time for the family but it would be good to even hear an interview with Ian Gordon if that’s not Kits thing.

If we’re just going to be allowed to drift along then I worry about what’s ahead as the other clubs we are competing with have motivated owners.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Based on I would give managers 4 transfer windows not two as I think he's been unlucky with injuries to our best players
But if you think we should bin managers every two windows then that's fine

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When you’ve been backed like he has and results are still so bad then yes, I do


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[Trinity Hibee]

Based on I would give managers 4 transfer windows not two as I think he's been unlucky with injuries to our best players
But if you think we should bin managers every two windows then that's fine

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Aberdeen have made a few changes in recent years and the most recent one has put them in pole position for 3rd. We could have done that in January and who knows what might have happened.

[madhatter]

Based on I would give managers 4 transfer windows not two as I think he's been unlucky with injuries to our best players
But if you think we should bin managers every two windows then that's fine

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We should be able to get rid of manager regardless of windows, injuries and the like. We struggle against teams that have less than 1/2 our budget. Boyle's probably paid 3-4x half the teams highest earners.

The gulf in finances Aberdeen, Hearts and Hibs have, they should be able to win most weeks even if they have to dip into youngsters to fill a few spots in the line-up. Even when Hearts and Aberdeen are garbage, we always find a way to out do them.

Board and managerial recruitment process needs a serious look at. Player recruitment as well.

[Lancs Harp]

Based on I would give managers 4 transfer windows not two as I think he's been unlucky with injuries to our best players
But if you think we should bin managers every two windows then that's fine

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Its not about how many windows its about how we are performing. Im struggling to see what we are trying to do on the park tactically just cant see any improvement and its reflected in our league position and unrest amongst the brethren. Finishing in the bottom half is justification for a manager being fired at Hibs, thats just not good enough for me. I still think we'll make the top six though and then Lee continuing will then be reviewed personally i dont think he'll be here next season.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

We should be able to get rid of manager regardless of windows, injuries and the like. We struggle against teams that have less than 1/2 our budget. Boyle's probably paid 3-4x half the leagues highest earners.

The gulf in finances Aberdeen, Hearts and Hibs should be able to win most weeks even if they have to dip into youngsters to fill a few spots in the line-up. Even when Hearts and Aberdeen are garbage, we always find a way to out do them.

Board and managerial recruitment process needs a serious look at.

I said effectively this a few weeks ago and got rinsed for being unrealistic about my expectations [emoji23]


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[Box 17]

Aberdeen have made a few changes in recent years and the most recent one has put them in pole position for 3rd. We could have done that in January and who knows what might have happened.

What might have happened, who knows?

What's certain though, our best players would still be out injured.

[ehf]

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What a terrifying prospect that is.

[Pretty Boy]

If there were clear tangible signs of progress then I think there would be justification for him being given another couple of windows to see it through.

As it is he has almost exactly the same PPG as Maloney (1.28 v 1.26). Maloney was without Boyle, Nisbet etc as well. We are one point better off than we were at the same point last season and fell at the 1st hurdle in both cups, embarrassingly so in both instances.

There has been no progress by any tangible measure. 'We are a bit better to watch' is just a subjective opinion and it's debatable. Giving him longer just deepens the hole we have to dig ourselves out off when the inevitable belatedly happens.

[jeffers]

Didn’t we take a different approach to the January window with Johnson having more influence in the signings. Off the top of my head we brought in Jeggo and Hope and a player who is so injury prone we didn’t even trust him to play yesterday and let Fletcher bully two youngsters. Yeah let’s give the clown more windows.

[JohnM1875]

What a terrifying prospect that is.

It really is and I honestly don't get it. A few of my mates are the same. Give him next season. I can't get my head around it.

If we finish bottom six, which looks increasingly likely, you have to guess he'll have failed in every target set for him. He doesn't deserve any more windows to prove what most already know, he's a poor manager.

[superfurryhibby]

An endless cycle of failed managerial appointments is costing the club dearly.

No matter who manages Hibs, signing duds and daft wee laddies isn’t going to improve the side. The recruitment side of things has been farcical. Yesterday’s team selection........inexplicable. Why even sign Devlin if he can’t be trusted to play in a game like that?

If the Gordon’s want out, it’s not really going to be a time where they start flashing the case. I’m seeing a picture emerge which sees Nisbet sold in the summer and the money not reinvested. Season ticket dales will be down, perhaps by a good deal.

There’s no signs of leadership at the helm, Kensell should be getting called into question. I can’t believe he’s picking up £6000/ week at Hibs, that is sickening.

Sacking Johnson and his team will cost plenty at a time when I can only see the belt being tightened. We can’t afford to do this, yet we can’t afford not to.

[GreenGray]

Yes we’ve had injuries but are you really telling me that with our squad we shouldn’t be beating Dundee United, St Johnstone at home, Ross County at home etc.

All for giving managers a chance you are seeing enough to give you a bit on idea of what they are trying to achieve, this guy seems to have no trust in his own tactics as he blows the whole system up and changes it as soon you we lose one game.


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[WhileTheChief..]

Didn’t we take a different approach to the January window with Johnson having more influence in the signings. Off the top of my head we brought in Jeggo and Hope and a player who is so injury prone we didn’t even trust him to play yesterday and let Fletcher bully two youngsters. Yeah let’s give the clown more windows.

Haven’t improved us at all.

We’ve been kidding ourselves on that things were getting better. They haven’t and won’t.

It really sucks, and I don’t see how we get ourselves out of this mess any time soon.

[JohnM1875]

An endless cycle of failed managerial appointments is costing the club dearly.

No matter who manages Hibs, signing duds and daft wee laddies isn’t going to improve the side. The recruitment side of things has been farcical. Yesterday’s team selection........inexplicable. Why even sign Devlin if he can’t be trusted to play in a game like that?

If the Gordon’s want out, it’s not really going to be a time where they start flashing the case. I’m seeing a picture emerge which sees Nisbet sold in the summer and the money not reinvested. Season ticket dales will be down, perhaps by a good deal.

There’s no signs of leadership at the helm, Kensell should be getting called into question. I can’t believe he’s picking up £6000/ week at Hibs, that is sickening.

Sacking Johnson and his team will cost plenty at a time when I can only see the belt being tightened. We can’t afford to do this, yet we can’t afford not to.

That for me is the only reason we haven't done it yet. I think we're waiting to see if we finish bottom six and when we do he'll be punted. I'm sure he'll have had that as a target in his contract so it'll cost less to sack him.

[ehf]

There’s no signs of leadership at the helm, Kensell should be getting called into question. I can’t believe he’s picking up £6000/ week at Hibs, that is sickening.

Didn't realise that. So 725 full price season tickets are paying the annual salary of the person presiding over this ****show:rolleyes:

[GreenCastle]

We really are a rudderless ship without the main man at the top influencing things, putting pressure on his employees, calling the shots !

Without Ron the direction, ambition and authority from what was an experienced and succesful businessman has sadly gone. We all have our views on Ron, ive been negative at times, but his family are in no place to replace him, and you would put money on them not being interested either.

Begs the questions then, Who is Kensell accountable too ?
Who cares enough to knock heads ?
Who will step up and fix it ?

Mcpherson ? The rest of the Board ? Does anyone have any faith in these guys ?

It’s a fair question..

Who is Ben Kensell actually accountable too?

With everything that has happened off the field maybe the club will just look at things in summer after everything that has been going on.

[superfurryhibby]

Didn't realise that. So 725 full price season tickets are paying the annual salary of the person presiding over this ****show:rolleyes:

Pretty astonishing salary. No idea how that compares with salaries paid at Hearts or Aberdeen, but surely Kensell is getting top dollar at Hibs.

Can’t help wondering what our head of the recruitment committee us taking out the club.

[Stuarty1875]

From the start of the season I always thought LJ should be given to the end of the season at the very least. Through the disastrous league cup campaign, poor form pre world cup and back to back derby capitulations in January my thoughts didn't change until the last two games.

The four games before the split were huge for us. Win the games we should be winning and we'd be in the mix for 3rd spot. Instead we put in two of the most timid, laboured and inept performances you'll ever see. Unfortunately we've seen it too many times under LJ. Stringing three passes together was hard work for us yesterday, and Dundee Utd didn't even attempt to press us until we reached the half way line. We couldn't to do the basics yesterday. The setup, tactical changes and subs haven't been good enough from LJ.

Players aren't blameless either. Lack of desire and fight evident again yesterday. They have got previous managers sacked and will likely get another sacked soon too. Recruitment in last 18 months really has been a joke.

Never been a fan of constantly sacking managers, and i'm usually a bit johnny-come-lately when its comes to wanting the manager sacked but we can't go into next season with LJ in charge.

[jacomo]

Pretty astonishing salary. No idea how that compares with salaries paid at Hearts or Aberdeen, but surely Kensell is getting top dollar at Hibs.

Can’t help wondering what our head of the recruitment committee us taking out the club.


It seems like very bad business to invest in a football club then try to profit through a big salary. I don’t think Ian Gordon’s remuneration is the biggest issue right now.

[Svengali]

From the start of the season I always thought LJ should be given to the end of the season at the very least. Through the disastrous league cup campaign, poor form pre world cup and back to back derby capitulations in January my thoughts didn't change until the last two games.

The four games before the split were huge for us. Win the games we should be winning and we'd be in the mix for 3rd spot. Instead we put in two of the most timid, laboured and inept performances you'll ever see. Unfortunately we've seen it too many times under LJ. Stringing three passes together was hard work for us yesterday, and Dundee Utd didn't even attempt to press us until we reached the half way line. We couldn't to do the basics yesterday. The setup, tactical changes and subs haven't been good enough from LJ.

Players aren't blameless either. Lack of desire and fight evident against yesterday. They have got previous managers sacked and will likely get another sacked soon too. Recruitment in last 18 months really has been a joke.

Never been a fan of constantly sacking managers, and i'm usually a bit johnny-come-lately when its comes to wanting the manager sacked but we can't go into next season with LJ in charge.

This is where I am.

We had a chance in the summer of 2021 to build something with a few solid additions…. We went the other way.

So bloody frustrating

[Box 17]

From the start of the season I always thought LJ should be given to the end of the season at the very least. Through the disastrous league cup campaign, poor form pre world cup and back to back derby capitulations in January my thoughts didn't change until the last two games.

The four games before the split were huge for us. Win the games we should be winning and we'd be in the mix for 3rd spot. Instead we put in two of the most timid, laboured and inept performances you'll ever see. Unfortunately we've seen it too many times under LJ. Stringing three passes together was hard work for us yesterday, and Dundee Utd didn't even attempt to press us until we reached the half way line. We couldn't to do the basics yesterday. The setup, tactical changes and subs haven't been good enough from LJ.

Players aren't blameless either. Lack of desire and fight evident against yesterday. They have got previous managers sacked and will likely get another sacked soon too. Recruitment in last 18 months really has been a joke.

Never been a fan of constantly sacking managers, and i'm usually a bit johnny-come-lately when its comes to wanting the manager sacked but we can't go into next season with LJ in charge.

The irony is, if our best players were available and not injusred we wouldn't need to be making signings.

And because our best players are on big wages and contracts it means we can't pay big money for replacements.

Good players cost big money.

[Trinity Hibee]

The irony is, if our best players were available and not injusred we wouldn't need to be making signings.

And because our best players are on big wages and contracts it means we can't pay big money for replacements.

Good players cost big money.

Whilst I agree we’ve been hit with injuries so have other teams such as hearts. It’s part of the game. Last season we only needed one win from the remaining 4 or 5 games to get top 6 and we couldn’t do it. The last 2 weeks this season even one win would have had us close to 3rd and we’ve ****ed it. That is on the manager and the players.

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

Has he gone yet?

[silverhibee]

I would be ruthless now and wouldn’t give him next week. We have looked shambolic the last couple of games and his derby record is shocking and as for his post match interview…jeezo.

There is nobody at the club to be ruthless, the Gordon’s won’t want to get involved in this kind of thing so soon after losing there husband/Dad, Ben won’t step up and do it and I doubt the guy McPherson will do it unless he is told to by Mrs Gordon and the last thing on her mind will be sacking Lee Johnson, Lee has hit the jackpot, he’s untouchable and now spraffing on about the City group looks like he is the one pulling the strings at the club, god help us, if things don’t go our way this weekend then the fans need to be very clear that LJ needs to be removed as manager.

[Lago]

Haven’t improved us at all.

We’ve been kidding ourselves on that things were getting better. They haven’t and won’t.

It really sucks, and I don’t see how we get ourselves out of this mess any time soon.
Yip been basically the same for 3 years or so and nothing in the offing to suggest it will change significantly.

[Onion]

Despite the reassuring noises from the Owner's family, there must be serious questions about their commitment and intentions for the Club. We no longer have an Owner at the helm that can make the informed, tough decisions (irrespective of previous poor execution) so I fear Hibs are now drifting along under a care and maintenance brief. Sacking LJ would require the board and owners to have a clear vision and strategy and I just see no evidence of that so expect they'll take the easy option of trending along with LJ for a few months more.

[bingo70]

There is nobody at the club to be ruthless, the Gordon’s won’t want to get involved in this kind of thing so soon after losing there husband/Dad, Ben won’t step up and do it and I doubt the guy McPherson will do it unless he is told to by Mrs Gordon and the last thing on her mind will be sacking Lee Johnson, Lee has hit the jackpot, he’s untouchable and now spraffing on about the City group looks like he is the one pulling the strings at the club, god help us, if things don’t go our way this weekend then the fans need to be very clear that LJ needs to be removed as manager.

Spot on. LJ seems to have the dream gig here, can be as ***** as he wants as he’s the only manager in world football with zero accountability by the looks of it. He’s failed in literally every aspect of the job so far and he’s on about next season already.

LJ said last week a DoF Will be coming in but will only add value to the current set up and not much will change in terms of the process. Huge alarm bells ringing for me on that one. It will surely be up to the DoF to decide how much will change, not him.

[Torto7]

Yes he's a slaver and yes he makes baffling decisions i.e Cadden at RB in a back four most of the season. I'd still give him the summer and if we start reasonably next season then next Jan as well. The yo-yo manager merry go round is getting on my nerves and it seldom leads to any improvement in performance. I'd rather use some of the compensation we constantly pay out on ex managers on players instead. I've seen some nice patterns of play from Hibs this season and the XG is a clear third best in the league. If we stop with Cadden at RB we'd concede less straight off the bat, he can play either as a wingback or winger from the bench. Move Magennis, McGeady and Nisbet if we get a suitable offer and that should free up some funds. I prefer Youan in central areas and would love to pair him with big Myk up front if we can do deals for them with Boyle running off them. I'd also love to sign Fish who at 20 years old looks a really good prospect.

[Brightside]

Pretty astonishing salary. No idea how that compares with salaries paid at Hearts or Aberdeen, but surely Kensell is getting top dollar at Hibs.

Can’t help wondering what our head of the recruitment committee us taking out the club.

It’s not huge money for a CEO.

[raeburnhibs]

It’s not huge money for a CEO.

Its pretty stupid money actually and he is not exactly setting the heather on fire. 350k for some dodgy looking wee scrote at Hibs? The ****** Prime Minister is on about 150k

[Torto7]

It’s not huge money for a CEO.

The Parasite class. All those bloated contracts across sports, charities, health and business etc for individuals who are rarely worth it. Largely stagnant wages for the masses though.

[Stuart93]

Mental to think how things have swung since we beat Aberdeen 6-0, they’re now 7 points ahead of us and in 3rd. Unforgivable from us really. Them being able to identify their weakness and rectify has done wonders for them.

If they secure euro group stages we fall even further behind them financially as well as hearts.

[bingo70]

Mental to think how things have swung since we beat Aberdeen 6-0, they’re now 7 points ahead of us and in 3rd. Unforgivable from us really. Them being able to identify their weakness and rectify has done wonders for them.

If they secure euro group stages we fall even further behind them financially as well as hearts.

Yup but people think we can’t sack a manager because sacking managers is bad.

Ask Aberdeen and Motherwell fans if they think that’s true.

[Stuart93]

Yup but people think we can’t sack a manager because sacking managers is bad.

Ask Aberdeen and Motherwell fans if they think that’s true.

Aye that’s it in a nut shell.

The fact we’ve sacked our last manager after a short period should have absolutely no bearing on us sacking LJ.

We’ve got a new DoF coming in, a new head of recruitment…we could do with someone in the door that’s actually capable of managing adequately

[silverhibee]

Spot on. LJ seems to have the dream gig here, can be as ***** as he wants as he’s the only manager in world football with zero accountability by the looks of it. He’s failed in literally every aspect of the job so far and he’s on about next season already.

LJ said last week a DoF Will be coming in but will only add value to the current set up and not much will change in terms of the process. Huge alarm bells ringing for me on that one. It will surely be up to the DoF to decide how much will change, not him.

He doesn’t look like he is under any pressure at all, talking about plans for next season, deary me, is he taking advantage of this time with the Gordon’s, don’t worry about the club me and Ben have everything sorted, you take your time mourning Ron and we will chat in the summer about how much you can spare for the budget, he is a dirty snake, as I said only two games in to the season and he was up town throwing players under the buses going along Princess Street, quicker he is gone the better.

[jeffers]

He doesn’t look like he is under any pressure at all, talking about plans for next season, deary me, is he taking advantage of this time with the Gordon’s, don’t worry about the club me and Ben have everything sorted, you take your time mourning Ron and we will chat in the summer about how much you can spare for the budget, he is a dirty snake, as I said only two games in to the season and he was up town throwing players under the buses going along Princess Street, quicker he is gone the better.

A snake is exactly how I’d describe him. Horrible individual. All the “nice guy Lee” chat is way off the mark.

[JimBHibees]

Its pretty stupid money actually and he is not exactly setting the heather on fire. 350k for some dodgy looking wee scrote at Hibs? The ****** Prime Minister is on about 150k

Ridiculous post

[JimBHibees]

A snake is exactly how I’d describe him. Horrible individual. All the “nice guy Lee” chat is way off the mark.

Horrible individual really. Any need.

[jeffers]

Horrible individual really. Any need.

Aye he is.

[superfurryhibby]

It’s not huge money for a CEO.

I suspect it is, by Scottish football standards.

[HFC93]

A snake is exactly how I’d describe him. Horrible individual. All the “nice guy Lee” chat is way off the mark.

Put of interest, how many times have you me Lee Johnson?

[Dalianwanda]

Spot on. LJ seems to have the dream gig here, can be as ***** as he wants as he’s the only manager in world football with zero accountability by the looks of it. He’s failed in literally every aspect of the job so far and he’s on about next season already.

LJ said last week a DoF Will be coming in but will only add value to the current set up and not much will change in terms of the process. Huge alarm bells ringing for me on that one. It will surely be up to the DoF to decide how much will change, not him.

I might have it wrong but it worryies me that he's setting the definition of the DoF role. Surely they DoF would preside over all football matters including the process that we are using (otherwise what's he there for?)

[bingo70]

I might have it wrong but it worryies me that he's setting the definition of the DoF role. Surely they DoF would preside over all football matters including the process that we are using (otherwise what's he there for?)

Yes, exactly.

That is what worries me and suggests to me we’re going down a different route to the one BK outlined in his original interview. Either someone already at the club is getting it (Steve Kean or LJ himself is moving upstairs) or there’s something in this City link up and the Director of football position will be trumped by that.

[Allant1981]

Got to laugh, all the snide remarks coming out about LJ again now we aren't playing well, didn't hear this a few weeks ago, can't say I'm shocked though

[CentreLine]

An endless cycle of failed managerial appointments is costing the club dearly.

No matter who manages Hibs, signing duds and daft wee laddies isn’t going to improve the side. The recruitment side of things has been farcical. Yesterday’s team selection........inexplicable. Why even sign Devlin if he can’t be trusted to play in a game like that?

If the Gordon’s want out, it’s not really going to be a time where they start flashing the case. I’m seeing a picture emerge which sees Nisbet sold in the summer and the money not reinvested. Season ticket dales will be down, perhaps by a good deal.

There’s no signs of leadership at the helm, Kensell should be getting called into question. I can’t believe he’s picking up £6000/ week at Hibs, that is sickening.

Sacking Johnson and his team will cost plenty at a time when I can only see the belt being tightened. We can’t afford to do this, yet we can’t afford not to.

At the AGM it was explained that it cost us over a million parting company with our two previous management teams. It was made clear that LJ had been incredibly easy to deal with when he joined the club, had backed himself and there would be no such costly severance payment should he and the club part company. I don’t repeat this as an encouragement for the club to sack him but to emphasise how decent LJ has been with the club.

That said, I just can’t see how he can survive another derby defeat.

[Callum_62]

At the AGM it was explained that it cost us over a million parting company with our two previous management teams. It was made clear that LJ had been incredibly easy to deal with when he joined the club, had backed himself and there would be no such costly severance payment should he and the club part company. I don’t repeat this as an encouragement for the club to sack him but to emphasise how decent LJ has been with the club.

That said, I just can’t see how he can survive another derby defeat.That's no very snake like

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[Greenwich_Hibby]

Got to laugh, all the snide remarks coming out about LJ again now we aren't playing well, didn't hear this a few weeks ago, can't say I'm shocked though

Don't think so, he's been a slaver since joining and many folk have said so. I have no issue with consistency, but that has to be with the right man. He's shown nothing but a lack of tactical awareness since joining. Get him out, we can't build a future around him.

[LewysGot2]

Got to laugh, all the snide remarks coming out about LJ again now we aren't playing well, didn't hear this a few weeks ago, can't say I'm shocked though

It's always amazing how personal folk get...

[HFC93]

Got to laugh, all the snide remarks coming out about LJ again now we aren't playing well, didn't hear this a few weeks ago, can't say I'm shocked though

It's strange behaviour. Fair enough if you want to question his ability as a football manager but personal attacks are unnecessary. We had the same with Maloney, Hecky, Ross etc who all seemed like nice guys. Leave the personal stuff out if it.

[Onion]

Yup but people think we can’t sack a manager because sacking managers is bad.

Ask Aberdeen and Motherwell fans if they think that’s true.

Sacking is easy but guarantees nothing. Appointing someone better is the trick. Someone needs to remind Hibs of that.

[HoboHarry]

Sacking is easy but guarantees nothing. Appointing someone better is the trick. Someone needs to remind Hibs of that.
About as simplistic a statement as you could find, even on this site. It depends on who is available and within the budget amongst many other considerations. Even if Hibs really did push the boat out financially on a new manager from the upper echelons, there would be no doubt then be a myriad of complaints about our lack of spending on new players.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Wee update, **** knows what’s happening. Assume hibs are giving him the derby to save his job? Pal hasn’t heard anything more from source so not a clue.


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[bingo70]

Wee update, **** knows what’s happening. Assume hibs are giving him the derby to save his job? Pal hasn’t heard anything more from source so not a clue.


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Appreciate you passing on what you’ve heard but I suspect your contact is wrong on this one.

I don’t think LJ’s job is in any danger at all and he’s got the safest job in football.

[MWHIBBIES]

Appreciate you passing on what you’ve heard but I suspect your contact is wrong on this one.

I don’t think LJ’s job is in any danger at all and he’s got the safest job in football.

If he fails to get top 6, he'll be binned, same as Maloney was. He does not have the safest job in football, not even close.

[Onion]

Got to laugh, all the snide remarks coming out about LJ again now we aren't playing well, didn't hear this a few weeks ago, can't say I'm shocked though

Don;t beat yourself up :greengrin

All football fans are optimists who live on hope. When the team comes off a 4th straight loss and against the worst team in the league you'll get this reaction. It's human nature.

[GreenCastle]

If he fails to get top 6, he'll be binned, same as Maloney was. He does not have the safest job in football, not even close.

He can lose a 3rd straight derby and still won't be sacked.

[B.H.F.C]

Appreciate you passing on what you’ve heard but I suspect your contact is wrong on this one.

I don’t think LJ’s job is in any danger at all and he’s got the safest job in football.

I don’t think he’ll be away anywhere any time soon.

Even failure to reach the top six and I still think he’ll be here next year. Just think he’s so close with Kensell that will save him for the foreseeable future.

[Donegal Hibby]

Don;t beat yourself up :greengrin

All football fans are optimists who live on hope. When the team comes off a 4th straight loss and against the worst team in the league you'll get this reaction. It's human nature.
2 of which were against Celtic and sevco who are the two best teams in the league and on another planet financially to the rest of us , being optimists living in hope about them two games is more like living in a fantasy world if anyone expects results in them now 😃

[May21/05/216]

Wee update, **** knows what’s happening. Assume hibs are giving him the derby to save his job? Pal hasn’t heard anything more from source so not a clue.


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[bingo70]

My source tells me change is happening

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With Johnson or in terms of the structure above LJ?

[Hibernia&Alba]

My source tells me change is happening

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Spit it oot then....:agree:

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

My source tells me change is happening

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That’s pretty vague, to be fair


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[MrSmith]

My source tells me change is happening

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My source from Del Monte, he say no to change!

[chrisski33]

Agree with this post
But the all the folk that want him out will keep posting negatives as they did about hecky ross maloney and now Johnson I for one would give him the next two transfer windows

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You would give him the next two transfer windows? Like heck will he get them

[JimBHibees]

Aye he is.

Good point.

[JimBHibees]

Got to laugh, all the snide remarks coming out about LJ again now we aren't playing well, didn't hear this a few weeks ago, can't say I'm shocked though

Agree totally few bad results and he is suddenly the anti-Christ again. Pathetic

[Iain G]

You would give him the next two transfer windows? Like heck will he get them

Don't think we will bring Heck back 😁

[Unseen work]

Wonder if any chance is the new DoF being decided and already assessing stuff at the club and thinks it’s not good enough and we can do better

Would be a fair statement from the DoF if the first thing he did was have a say in the sacking of LJ.

[Trinity Hibee]

Wonder if any chance is the new DoF being decided and already assessing stuff at the club and thinks it’s not good enough and we can do better

Would be a fair statement from the DoF if the first thing he did was have a say in the sacking of LJ.

If the DoF appointment is imminent then I accept keeping LJ to the summer might be sensible for the new DoF to review and give him time to look for a new appointment. In my opinion LJ doesn’t have what it takes so should be getting rid as early as we can.

[blackpoolhibs]

If we are sacking managers who have actually achieved goals at the club set by the paymasters, then they clearly have to sack someone with the record this clown has.

[jeffers]

Agree totally few bad results and he is suddenly the anti-Christ again. Pathetic

Or maybe it’s more a case of when results are decent he doesn’t throw the players under the bus, yet after a few bad results he reverts to type, deflects and it’s down to the players again. Some posters getting precious ‘cos he’s been referred to as a snake. His comments about the players, not taking responsibility for his tactics and team selection I’d say that’s a perfectly accurate description of him. If it had only been the one time he’d done this it might be a different story.

[eastmainsmsh]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Owen

Decent cv thought Mcallister was No2

[the_ginger_hibee]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Owen

Decent cv thought Mcallister was No2

Both of their job titles are 'Assistant Manager'.

[I'm Spartacus]

In response...:

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/tam-mcmanus-left-infuriated-hibs-29628401

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/tam-mcmanus-left-infuriated-hibs-29628401

That's possibly the best thing he's ever written in the DR. (Although, use of the word 'exotically' tells me Tam's first read is at the same time as ours!)

[Hibbyradge]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/tam-mcmanus-left-infuriated-hibs-29628401

That's possibly the best thing he's ever written in the DR. (Although, use of the word 'exotically' tells me Tam's first read is at the same time as ours!)

:confused:

Exotically isn't a particularly clever or unusual word, is it?

[superfurryhibby]

Or maybe it’s more a case of when results are decent he doesn’t throw the players under the bus, yet after a few bad results he reverts to type, deflects and it’s down to the players again. Some posters getting precious ‘cos he’s been referred to as a snake. His comments about the players, not taking responsibility for his tactics and team selection I’d say that’s a perfectly accurate description of him. If it had only been the one time he’d done this it might be a different story.

Maybe you’re being a bit precious about being called out for your completely unfounded comments?

Stick to critiquing his tactics/ team selections etc and less of the personal vitriol maybe?

[Pretty Boy]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/tam-mcmanus-left-infuriated-hibs-29628401

That's possibly the best thing he's ever written in the DR. (Although, use of the word 'exotically' tells me Tam's first read is at the same time as ours!)

It starts of with a total nonsense. Hurtado was a dud at Hibs but he scored a load of goals before he arrived here and a whole load more after he left.

26 goals in 74 games for the Ecuador national team and 215 goals across his entire career suggests McManus may be just a bit ignorant of the facts.

[jeffers]

Maybe you’re being a bit precious about being called out for your completely unfounded comments?

Stick to critiquing his tactics/ team selections etc and less of the personal vitriol maybe?

Aye you’ve got me. I’m being precious. What comments have I made that are completely unfounded ? What word would you use to describe a manager who takes the credit when players are signed but quickly distances himself when they turn out to be pish ? Who blames players for his own failings ?

[GreenGray]

Can't believe we are sticking with this guy. We are going to fall further behind Aberdeen and Hearts financially if/when they qualify for Europe and we don't and Johnson is the main culprit for that failure imo.

[B.H.F.C]

Aye you’ve got me. I’m being precious. What comments have I made that are completely unfounded ? What word would you use to describe a manager who takes the credit when players are signed but quickly distances himself when they turn out to be pish ? Who blames players for his own failings ?

My opinion on Johnson (and he’s pretty much said the same himself in the last couple of weeks) is that he came up here with grand ideas of doing this or that.

Think he quite quickly realised that it wasn’t happening and the excuses started to follow quite quickly.

Sunday was another one where he started digging out individuals. I don’t necessarily disagree with everything he says on that side of things but it never ends well when managers do that routinely and/or publicly.

The biggest issue he has is that he has too many poor (or average at best) players but he’s played a part in that. We’re absolutely no further forward than we were when he took over. I don’t see us as a work in progress where I think we have the core of a team there that we just need to add bits here and there and I don’t have any confidence in us not being in the same position come next January if he’s still in charge.

[He's here!]

It starts of with a total nonsense. Hurtado was a dud at Hibs but he scored a load of goals before he arrived here and a whole load more after he left.

26 goals in 74 games for the Ecuador national team and 215 goals across his entire career suggests McManus may be just a bit ignorant of the facts.

Yep, lazy unresearched guff presented as fact.

Re his stuff about LJ not giving the young Scottish players a chance I agree it would be good to see if there's actually any talent there but it's hardly as though he's unique in this. How many young players have come through the Academy and established themselves in the first team? Precious few. Why is this? And it's not unique to Hibs. How many young players did Neilson bring through at Hearts?

[Paulie Walnuts]

My opinion on Johnson (and he’s pretty much said the same himself in the last couple of weeks) is that he came up here with grand ideas of doing this or that.

Think he quite quickly realised that it wasn’t happening and the excuses started to follow quite quickly.

Sunday was another one where he started digging out individuals. I don’t necessarily disagree with everything he says on that side of things but it never ends well when managers do that routinely and/or publicly.

The biggest issue he has is that he has too many poor (or average at best) players but he’s played a part in that. We’re absolutely no further forward than we were when he took over. I don’t see us as a work in progress where I think we have the core of a team there that we just need to add bits here and there and I don’t have any confidence in us not being in the same position come next January if he’s still in charge.

We couldn’t be further from a work in progress imo. When you discount the loan players who will be away in the summer:

Our goalkeeper is miles past his best and needs replaced and we inexplicably don’t even have a back up for him as it stands.

Our best defenders in Stevenson and Hanlon are past their best, the rest imo aren’t good enough.

Our centre midfield are, to a man, not good enough with the exception of Campbell who at least offers goals (although I wouldn’t be surprised if this season turns out to be a complete blip for Campbell tbh). Out wide we’ve got a 36 year old and Boyle who will be 30 soon and has had yet another bad injury and up top we’ve got a striker who won’t be here next season.

We’ve got absolutely nothing to work with other than Boyle really and that’s in the hope he manages to return from yet another bad injury at the same level he was before it. It really is a sorry state of affairs.

[Springbank]

My opinion on Johnson (and he’s pretty much said the same himself in the last couple of weeks) is that he came up here with grand ideas of doing this or that.

Think he quite quickly realised that it wasn’t happening and the excuses started to follow quite quickly.

Sunday was another one where he started digging out individuals. I don’t necessarily disagree with everything he says on that side of things but it never ends well when managers do that routinely and/or publicly.

The biggest issue he has is that he has too many poor (or average at best) players but he’s played a part in that. We’re absolutely no further forward than we were when he took over. I don’t see us as a work in progress where I think we have the core of a team there that we just need to add bits here and there and I don’t have any confidence in us not being in the same position come next January if he’s still in charge.

Sunday's game (and the Motherwell one before it) look like unnecessarily bad management, for my money.

We had been on a run with only one bad performance (Rangers at home was horrendous) but in the winning run before it, and even in defeat at Parkhead, the 4-2-3-1 system had clearly suited the players Johnson has.

Against Motherwell he went for wholesale changes, and (on paper) ultra defensive, and I could not fathom what he was playing at.

Against United, which was THE crucial game of 2023, to put the fear into our city neighbours, being within reach and a derby to follow...he again strayed wildly from the formation that works.

Starting at the back - big Fish looks solid with an experienced pro alongside him (Hanlon or Devlin)
Lewie still starts at left back for me
Cadden, for all his faults, at right back.

Jeggo & Egan Riley had formed a solid base in the midfield.

I would go Kukharevych up top, every time, and then the three behind him you prune from Youan / Nisbet / Campbell / Newell (and Laidlaw)

You keep people like Jair, McKirdy, Henderson, Doyle-Hayes out of harms reach on the very far end of the bench.

You put the best youngsters on the near-side of the bench though: MacIntyre, Delfierre, O'Connor, Laidlaw, Malik.

Anyway, that's my 2p

[Trinity Hibee]

Sunday's game (and the Motherwell one before it) look like unnecessarily bad management, for my money.

We had been on a run with only one bad performance (Rangers at home was horrendous) but in the winning run before it, and even in defeat at Parkhead, the 4-2-3-1 system had clearly suited the players Johnson has.

Against Motherwell he went for wholesale changes, and (on paper) ultra defensive, and I could not fathom what he was playing at.

Against United, which was THE crucial game of 2023, to put the fear into our city neighbours, being within reach and a derby to follow...he again strayed wildly from the formation that works.

Starting at the back - big Fish looks solid with an experienced pro alongside him (Hanlon or Devlin)
Lewie still starts at left back for me
Cadden, for all his faults, at right back.

Jeggo & Egan Riley had formed a solid base in the midfield.

I would go Kukharevych up top, every time, and then the three behind him you prune from Youan / Nisbet / Campbell / Newell (and Laidlaw)

You keep people like Jair, McKirdy, Henderson, Doyle-Hayes out of harms reach on the very far end of the bench.

You put the best youngsters on the near-side of the bench though: MacIntyre, Delfierre, O'Connor, Laidlaw, Malik.

Anyway, that's my 2p

Can’t argue with any of that

[jeffers]

My opinion on Johnson (and he’s pretty much said the same himself in the last couple of weeks) is that he came up here with grand ideas of doing this or that.

Think he quite quickly realised that it wasn’t happening and the excuses started to follow quite quickly.

Sunday was another one where he started digging out individuals. I don’t necessarily disagree with everything he says on that side of things but it never ends well when managers do that routinely and/or publicly.

The biggest issue he has is that he has too many poor (or average at best) players but he’s played a part in that. We’re absolutely no further forward than we were when he took over. I don’t see us as a work in progress where I think we have the core of a team there that we just need to add bits here and there and I don’t have any confidence in us not being in the same position come next January if he’s still in charge.

Agree with every word.

I have no issues with managers being confident in their own ability, in fact I’d be concerned if they weren’t. However he took over the job was quick to tell everyone he’d watched us beforehand and knew what was needed. He then presided over a pathetic league cup campaign after being told of its importance and not to treat it as a training exercise. The fact is he came up here confident he’d tear it up and be back down the road quickly after being headhunted by a bigger club.

Players need to be told the truth, but like you I don’t think it should be done publicly, certainly with the frequency he does it.

He’s too quick to distance himself from things when they aren’t going well. As you say he’s played a big part in bringing in a number of players yet I see zero signs of improvement and nothing to give me confidence he’ll improve things.

I get why some criticise my personal comments about him, fair enough, but I don’t see anything I’m saying about him on any other level isn’t accurate. I no longer see many on here defending him, other than comments about not wanting to sack yet another manager.

[hibsbollah]

Sunday's game (and the Motherwell one before it) look like unnecessarily bad management, for my money.

We had been on a run with only one bad performance (Rangers at home was horrendous) but in the winning run before it, and even in defeat at Parkhead, the 4-2-3-1 system had clearly suited the players Johnson has.

Against Motherwell he went for wholesale changes, and (on paper) ultra defensive, and I could not fathom what he was playing at.

Against United, which was THE crucial game of 2023, to put the fear into our city neighbours, being within reach and a derby to follow...he again strayed wildly from the formation that works.

Starting at the back - big Fish looks solid with an experienced pro alongside him (Hanlon or Devlin)
Lewie still starts at left back for me
Cadden, for all his faults, at right back.

Jeggo & Egan Riley had formed a solid base in the midfield.

I would go Kukharevych up top, every time, and then the three behind him you prune from Youan / Nisbet / Campbell / Newell (and Laidlaw)

You keep people like Jair, McKirdy, Henderson, Doyle-Hayes out of harms reach on the very far end of the bench.

You put the best youngsters on the near-side of the bench though: MacIntyre, Delfierre, O'Connor, Laidlaw, Malik.

Anyway, that's my 2p

Wow that’s absolutely my thinking on how to set up, just about word for word what I said pre match based on how those players had performed recently.

[Unseen work]

Sunday's game (and the Motherwell one before it) look like unnecessarily bad management, for my money.

We had been on a run with only one bad performance (Rangers at home was horrendous) but in the winning run before it, and even in defeat at Parkhead, the 4-2-3-1 system had clearly suited the players Johnson has.

Against Motherwell he went for wholesale changes, and (on paper) ultra defensive, and I could not fathom what he was playing at.

Against United, which was THE crucial game of 2023, to put the fear into our city neighbours, being within reach and a derby to follow...he again strayed wildly from the formation that works.

Starting at the back - big Fish looks solid with an experienced pro alongside him (Hanlon or Devlin)
Lewie still starts at left back for me
Cadden, for all his faults, at right back.

Jeggo & Egan Riley had formed a solid base in the midfield.

I would go Kukharevych up top, every time, and then the three behind him you prune from Youan / Nisbet / Campbell / Newell (and Laidlaw)

You keep people like Jair, McKirdy, Henderson, Doyle-Hayes out of harms reach on the very far end of the bench.

You put the best youngsters on the near-side of the bench though: MacIntyre, Delfierre, O'Connor, Laidlaw, Malik.

Anyway, that's my 2p

The issue with it is it’s so easy to say it in retrospect, when the team was initially announced a lot seemed happy with the line up.

With your team if we lost people would undoubtedly moan if we lost about;

Devlin - Hardly kicked a ball this season, no minutes in months and chucked in at the deep end

Jeggo & CJ - Poor against Motherwell, not good enough on the ball. Needed Newell to get on the ball

Nisbet behind Kukharevych - Playing our best striker out of position and making him do too much defensive work

People are quick to want to Chuck Laidlaw in the deep end when he’s not played any minutes in the first team, he could be miles off it. Henderson has his faults but at least contributes goals and assists. Even Malik all I’ve heard about him is skilful but miles off the first team physically.

Some fans (not yours) suggestions of teams/player and formations we should start are also far worse than anything Johnson serves up 🤣

Regardless though the team that started on Sunday is more than good enough to beat bottom of the table Dundee United. They were very very poor though and were unable to do the basics, Youan was back to struggling to control the ball

[Willis1875]

The issue with it is it’s so easy to say it in retrospect, when the team was initially announced a lot seemed happy with the line up.

With your team if we lost people would undoubtedly moan if we lost about;

Devlin - Hardly kicked a ball this season, no minutes in months and chucked in at the deep end

Jeggo & CJ - Poor against Motherwell, not good enough on the ball. Needed Newell to get on the ball

Nisbet behind Kukharevych - Playing our best striker out of position and making him do too much defensive work

People are quick to want to Chuck Laidlaw in the deep end when he’s not played any minutes in the first team, he could be miles off it. Henderson has his faults but at least contributes goals and assists. Even Malik all I’ve heard about him is skilful but miles off the first team physically.

Some fans (not yours) suggestions of teams/player and formations we should start are also far worse than anything Johnson serves up 🤣

Regardless though the team that started on Sunday is more than good enough to beat bottom of the table Dundee United. They were very very poor though and were unable to do the basics, Youan was back to struggling to control the ball

He broke the midfield two of Jeggo and CJ up against Motherwell to opt for a back 3 and stuck CJ at the right side of the 3 for reasons best known to himself

[Hibee Mac]

When will we learn that the biggest problem we have had for a few years now is the players?

The manager is not perfect, they never are, but this group of players have been core to the same terrible gutless performances year in year out.

It's actually scary when you look at how many players we need to clear out of the club this summer. Honestly the running of the footballing dept at our club over the last few years has been nothing short of shocking considering how many crap players we are stuck with.

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[Trinity Hibee]

When will we learn that the biggest problem we have had for a few years now is the players?

The manager is not perfect, they never are, but this group of players have been core to the same terrible gutless performances year in year out.

It's actually scary when you look at how many players we need to clear out of the club this summer. Honestly the running of the footballing dept at our club over the last few years has been nothing short of shocking considering how many crap players we are stuck with.

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Also can’t disagree either with that but Johnson’s signings haven’t been good and he’s not managed to even beat bottom of the league this season

[GreenGray]

When will we learn that the biggest problem we have had for a few years now is the players?

The manager is not perfect, they never are, but this group of players have been core to the same terrible gutless performances year in year out.

It's actually scary when you look at how many players we need to clear out of the club this summer. Honestly the running of the footballing dept at our club over the last few years has been nothing short of shocking considering how many crap players we are stuck with.

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Squad is good enough to be able to beat Ross County, St Johnstone, Motherwell and Dundee United at home.

[Donegal Hibby]

Squad is good enough to be able to beat Ross County, St Johnstone, Motherwell and Dundee United at home.
At the rate we are going through manager's over the last four years I think it suggests the squad isn't good enough.

[Trinity Hibee]

At the rate we are going through manager's over the last four years I think it suggests the squad isn't good enough.

Not good enough for where we want to be but should be enough to beat bottom of the league

[Smartie]

The issue with it is it’s so easy to say it in retrospect, when the team was initially announced a lot seemed happy with the line up.

With your team if we lost people would undoubtedly moan if we lost about;

Devlin - Hardly kicked a ball this season, no minutes in months and chucked in at the deep end

Jeggo & CJ - Poor against Motherwell, not good enough on the ball. Needed Newell to get on the ball

Nisbet behind Kukharevych - Playing our best striker out of position and making him do too much defensive work

People are quick to want to Chuck Laidlaw in the deep end when he’s not played any minutes in the first team, he could be miles off it. Henderson has his faults but at least contributes goals and assists. Even Malik all I’ve heard about him is skilful but miles off the first team physically.

Some fans (not yours) suggestions of teams/player and formations we should start are also far worse than anything Johnson serves up 🤣

Regardless though the team that started on Sunday is more than good enough to beat bottom of the table Dundee United. They were very very poor though and were unable to do the basics, Youan was back to struggling to control the ball

I also relate to the vast majority of Springbank's post tbf.

Nisbet isn't out best striker, I don't think, Kuharevich is - in that middle of the 3 position. Nisbet has spent some time playing well for us, a lot of time being totally ineffectual and looking like his nose is out of joint.

Hanlon being out on Sunday hit us hard, I think it forced Johnson into a difficult position and tied his hands somewhat. It's easy to say, as you mention - in hindsight - that Devlin should have played, but we're not party to how truly ready he is to be starting top flight football matches.

I agree that by coming on against Motherwell and looking busy that it almost demanded that Newell be reinstated but it doesn't seem to matter which combination we play in midfield, it seems to be pot luck on the day whether they look up to the task or totally hopeless out there, so I'm getting to names out the hat territory when it comes to how we line up in midfield.

[SickBoy32]

I also relate to the vast majority of Springbank's post tbf.

Nisbet isn't out best striker, I don't think, Kuharevich is - in that middle of the 3 position. Nisbet has spent some time playing well for us, a lot of time being totally ineffectual and looking like his nose is out of joint.

Hanlon being out on Sunday hit us hard, I think it forced Johnson into a difficult position and tied his hands somewhat. It's easy to say, as you mention - in hindsight - that Devlin should have played, but we're not party to how truly ready he is to be starting top flight football matches.

I agree that by coming on against Motherwell and looking busy that it almost demanded that Newell be reinstated but it doesn't seem to matter which combination we play in midfield, it seems to be pot luck on the day whether they look up to the task or totally hopeless out there, so I'm getting to names out the hat territory when it comes to how we line up in midfield.

Bit in bold - if he's not fit enough to play with 7 games left to go, why the **** was he even signed ?

Just another bizarre signing to add to the list

[Hibbyradge]

Not good enough for where we want to be but should be enough to beat bottom of the league

When your highly rated striker misses from 3 yards, your winger can't hit the target from 16 yards, and your centre half makes a needless challenge to give away a penalty, no wonder we can't beat teams.

When you play against teams who are defending deeply, chances are scarce and must be taken when they do arise.

[RossScott1991]

Would anyone take Scott Brown with Whittaker as assistant as next management team?

Throwing it out there because as hearts will find out the current pool for managers especially managing in Scotland isn’t great.

Obviously a rookie again and in a very tough first job to make any sort of fair judgment atm. I wonder if he’d be one hibs would look at. Or far too soon.

[Brightside]

At the rate we are going through manager's over the last four years I think it suggests the squad isn't good enough.

And he's had a good go at signing plenty. AND he's busy signing more!

[Unseen work]

Would anyone take Scott Brown with Whittaker as assistant as next management team?

Throwing it out there because as hearts will find out the current pool for managers especially managing in Scotland isn’t great.

Obviously a rookie again and in a very tough first job to make any sort of fair judgment atm. I wonder if he’d be one hibs would look at. Or far too soon.

I wouldn’t turn my nose up at it as I really like the thought of a young manager with a Hibs link that will go into games knowing what the fans demand. Also think his knowledge of Scottish football and contacts would be massive in getting us players that are good in the league.

On a random punt I mentioned Des Buckingham on the thread about new owners, if the city group buy us.

[overdrive]

I wouldn’t turn my nose up at it as I really like the thought of a young manager with a Hibs link that will go into games knowing what the fans demand. Also think his knowledge of Scottish football and contacts would be massive in getting us players that are good in the league.

On a random punt I mentioned Des Buckingham on the thread about new owners, if the city group buy us.

If the City Group buy us, I think Johnson is here for a while unfortunately. He's best mates with Marwood of the City Group.

[bingo70]

If the City Group buy us, I think Johnson is here for a while unfortunately. He's best mates with Marwood of the City Group.

I was kind of hoping they might station him out in Mumbai or something

[Chorley Hibee]

Squad is good enough to be able to beat Ross County, St Johnstone, Motherwell and Dundee United at home.

Our record against the bottom 2 this season reads:

P6 W1 D2 L3 PTS 5

And out of the 5 home games against the opposition you mention, we've won 1 of them (against 10 men).

P5 W1 D1 L3 PTS 4

A disgraceful return, and more than enough proof that these players aren't good enough.

[I'm Spartacus]

Would anyone take Scott Brown with Whittaker as assistant as next management team?

Throwing it out there because as hearts will find out the current pool for managers especially managing in Scotland isn’t great.

Obviously a rookie again and in a very tough first job to make any sort of fair judgment atm. I wonder if he’d be one hibs would look at. Or far too soon.

Isn't Scott Brown doing terrible at Fleetwood?

I do not believe this City Group will be buying Hibs, hasn't this just started from a LJ waffle sesh, Edinburgh Live then tweet something and then it's fact?

[Trinity Hibee]

Our record against the bottom 2 this season reads:

P6 W1 D2 L3 PTS 5

And out of the 5 home games against the opposition you mention, we've won 1 of them (against 10 men).

P5 W1 D1 L3 PTS 4

A disgraceful return, and more than enough proof that these players aren't good enough.

Would it not suggest also that the manager has no idea how to break these teams down? Given we’ve only beaten teams mid table this season.

[McGruber]

Would anyone take Scott Brown with Whittaker as assistant as next management team?

Throwing it out there because as hearts will find out the current pool for managers especially managing in Scotland isn’t great.

Obviously a rookie again and in a very tough first job to make any sort of fair judgment atm. I wonder if he’d be one hibs would look at. Or far too soon.

I would yes

[Chorley Hibee]

Would it not suggest also that the manager has no idea how to break these teams down? Given we’ve only beaten teams mid table this season.

I'm not defending the manager by any means, but there must be ample proof (under various managers) that the majority of this squad is nowhere near good enough.

How many more of these results are needed?

[superfurryhibby]

Would it not suggest also that the manager has no idea how to break these teams down? Given we’ve only beaten teams mid table this season.

Given the mediocre quality of our league, is there any significant difference between how Ross County or Dundee Utd set up and play v Hibs than say the likes of Livi or St Mirren?

I think it's just a random stat, although perhaps it says that we lack the quality and creativity required to unpick defences where we have spoiling, timewasting, anti football opposition in front of us.