Ryan Porteous

[JGS56]

Just noticed that Hibs appeared to get £300,000 for Ryan with a sell-on clause of around 20%.

Look forward to him getting touted around some Premier League clubs.

Hibernian sell-on clause percentage for Watford man emerges (footballleagueworld.co.uk) (https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/size-of-hibernians-sell-on-clause-for-watford-man-ryan-porteous-emerges/)

Apologies if this has already been raised - not been on the site for a few days.

[Jones28]

Not seen those figures before - but considering what he had left on his contract that seems like pretty good business.

[DH1875]

I'm surprised at that to be honest.

[Ringothedog]

It’s a fantastic deal for Watford and a reasonable deal for us.Watford Sell him for £5m and they make a profit of £4.7m less our 20% of £940k. They make £3.76m we would get a total of £1.240m for a player we developed and had made into a full international. We could end up with more but just as likely we get nothing if he runs his contract down again

[HoboHarry]

It’s a fantastic deal for Watford and a reasonable deal for us.Watford Sell him for £5m and they make a profit of £4.7m less our 20% of £940k. They make £3.76m we would get a total of £1.240m for a player we developed and had made into a full international. We could end up with more but just as likely we get nothing if he runs his contract down again
Given his performances thus far for Watford and Scotland I'm inclined to think that any club bidding 5m would be told to go and get f****d.

[Tambo]

"I think Ryan has always been a good player; perceptions change. He’s in a new environment where he's training with better athletes – that Watford squad is strong in terms of the players' athletic nature. I think he probably already is a £20m player,” he states. “Absolutely. I’ve sold players at the clubs I’ve been at and Ryan is as good as all of them. Alfie Mawson, £5.5m; Lloyd Kelly, £22.5m; Adam Webster, £25m; Aden Flint, £7m, Marc Roberts, £3.5m, and James Tarkowski played for England.

Quote from LJ.

[Newry Hibs]

Hopefully he's on the end of a beating tomorrow (and then picks up and does well again).

Live tomorrow in the 'other' match.

[Oscar T Grouch]

Ryan said in an interview I listened to that he wanted Hibs to be looked after in his move to Watford, I assume that is the sell on that was inserted, maybe he insisted on it as Hibs weren't really in a position to insert a clause like that, Hibs got cash to the equivalent to what the development fee would have been if he'd stayed in Scotland. Sounds like a great deal for Hibs given the circumstances.

[Torto7]

Hopefully Watford dont go up and he remains consistent. A prem team will come with a bid north of 15 million. Souttar was 15 million and isnt as good.

[Stairway 2 7]

It’s a fantastic deal for Watford and a reasonable deal for us.Watford Sell him for £5m and they make a profit of £4.7m less our 20% of £940k. They make £3.76m we would get a total of £1.240m for a player we developed and had made into a full international. We could end up with more but just as likely we get nothing if he runs his contract down again

They would laugh at a 5 million offer. Look at the price of championship to Premiership transfers its insane. Aberdeen got £6 million for Mckenna, Ryan would be north of 15

If he keeps playing well for them and Scotland then there will be offers.

[Stairway 2 7]

Hopefully Watford dont go up and he remains consistent. A prem team will come with a bid north of 15 million. Souttar was 15 million and isnt as good.

Snap

[blackpoolhibs]

Ryan Porteous is a fantastic footballer, but Championship is his level, i read that on here. :faf:

[Smartie]

Ryan said in an interview I listened to that he wanted Hibs to be looked after in his move to Watford, I assume that is the sell on that was inserted, maybe he insisted on it as Hibs weren't really in a position to insert a clause like that, Hibs got cash to the equivalent to what the development fee would have been if he'd stayed in Scotland. Sounds like a great deal for Hibs given the circumstances.

It does - and fair play to him if indeed that was the case.

[Ringothedog]

They would laugh at a 5 million offer. Look at the price of championship to Premiership transfers its insane. Aberdeen got £6 million for Mckenna, Ryan would be north of 15

If he keeps playing well for them and Scotland then there will be offers.

It was an example price to show how well Watford could do, not what they would sell him for. My point was that Watford got a great deal, the deal we got was reasonable

[Alfred E Newman]

It's laughable how much the west coast media and the same opposition fans who subjected Ryan to ridiculous levels of abuse while he was at Hibs, are now singing his praises and coming out with nonsense like, " he has matured" "he has improved his media skills".
You could be excused for thinking he had been down south for a few years not weeks.

[Speedy]

I'm sure that was mentioned on here earlier today. That's probably the source.

[PHeffernan]

We may have a good sell on percentage clause in his contract but with the total payable restricted to say £500k so no matter how much he is sold on for we won't get more than £500k. Sadly we were in a weak bargaining position with the Italian player flippers of Watford.

[Stairway 2 7]

The scotman said at the time a significant sell on was agreed
https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/ryan-porteous-watford-and-hibs-agree-fee-as-defender-heads-south-to-complete-move-4001771

[cocteautwin]

That’s a pretty good deal considering Hearts got less than £100k in the sell on of Hickey to Brentford.

[CentreLine]

The 20% figure was mentioned at the AGM. Definitely a true figure.

[Donegal Hibby]

Ryan Porteous is a fantastic footballer, but Championship is his level, i read that on here. :faf:
Wonder what club and league developed him into the fantastic footballer he is :cb

[BILLYHIBS]

Kudos to Ryan for making sure Hibernian FC is looked after in what was a difficult situation for both parties

Cannot fault his commitment in the green and white

He is truly one of our own

[theonlywayisup]

We may have a good sell on percentage clause in his contract but with the total payable restricted to say £500k so no matter how much he is sold on for we won't get more than £500k. Sadly we were in a weak bargaining position with the Italian player flippers of Watford.

I may have missed this, but where does the £500k limit come from. Surely we agreed to 20% with no restriction.

[blackpoolhibs]

Wonder what club and league developed him into the fantastic footballer he is :cb

Watford obviously. :greengrin

[chippy]

Not seen those figures before - but considering what he had left on his contract that seems like pretty good business.
I think that shows what a good Hibs man Ryan is. There probably was no imperative for him and his agent to get such a good deal for Hibs

[Just_Jimmy]

Kudos to Ryan for making sure Hibernian FC is looked after in what was a difficult situation for both parties

Cannot fault his commitment in the green and white

He is truly one of our ownCould have signed a contract with an agreement with hibs he'd go when a price was matched. Giving hibs a bigger fee and bargaining. But nah... pitiful amount and hoping he makes us money by moving on. Just like the mcginn money that's never coming

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[easty]

We may have a good sell on percentage clause in his contract but with the total payable restricted to say £500k so no matter how much he is sold on for we won't get more than £500k. Sadly we were in a weak bargaining position with the Italian player flippers of Watford.

What about the clause that we get £50m if they beat a top 4 team in the cup?

Doubt that exists either like.

[Smartie]

I think that shows what a good Hibs man Ryan is. There probably was no imperative for him and his agent to get such a good deal for Hibs

I’d questioned his “Hibs man” credentials with the way he’d chosen to run down his contract but if he’s insisted that Hibs get looked after in this way then he’s certainly redeemed himself on that front.

He was under no obligation to do this and was entitled to look after himself so fair play if he’s insisted on it.

Whilst he’s entitled to look after himself and he rewarded us with some decent performances along the way, it’s easy to forget that it costs a lot to run an academy and Hibs will have put a lot into developing him as a player.

[Rumble de Thump]

[QUOTE=Smartie;7316799]I’d questioned his “Hibs man” credentials with the way he’d chosen to run down his contract but if he’s insisted that Hibs get looked after in this way then he’s certainly redeemed himself on that front.

He was under no obligation to do this and was entitled to look after himself so fair play if he’s insisted on it.

Whilst he’s entitled to look after himself and he rewarded us with some decent performances along the way, it’s easy to forget that it costs a lot to run an academy and Hibs will have put a lot into developing him as a player.[/QUOTE

He didn't run down his contract. He chose to leave while Hibs would still get some money for him, so both parties benefited.

[Donegal Hibby]

[QUOTE=Smartie;7316799]I’d questioned his “Hibs man” credentials with the way he’d chosen to run down his contract but if he’s insisted that Hibs get looked after in this way then he’s certainly redeemed himself on that front.

He was under no obligation to do this and was entitled to look after himself so fair play if he’s insisted on it.

Whilst he’s entitled to look after himself and he rewarded us with some decent performances along the way, it’s easy to forget that it costs a lot to run an academy and Hibs will have put a lot into developing him as a player.[/QUOTE

He didn't run down his contract. He chose to leave while Hibs would still get some money for him, so both parties benefited.

I thought he did run down his contract when he refused a new deal tbf , £300,000 for a player we should have got £2 or £3mill for ,yes he looked after his boyhood club very well . Not convinced the 20 % is his idea either more likely the club doing well there . Don't particularly like the guy now even though I've defended him in the past though I'm happy he's doing well mainly because of the 20% sell on clause though . It's amazing though how good the English championship is when not only English but Scottish media really rate him now after 9 games or so at Watford and he's worth £5 , £10 ,£15 mill now . Porto must be right then when he said the Scottish premier is lacking in quality compared to the English championship then!

[PHeffernan]

I may have missed this, but where does the £500k limit come from. Surely we agreed to 20% with no restriction.

It's made up.
The point I was making is that clauses in the Porteous contract could be absolutely anything at all and the only folk that know exactly what they are will be within the selling club Hibernian and the buying club Watford. Neither the supporters nor the media know any more about the clauses than what the clubs tell them which is generally what they want them to know. As a result both fans and media tend to fill the information vacuum with what they think the clauses are. The club never confirms nor denies whether those guesses are right or wrong.
To get a definitive answer you would have to ask Ben Kensall 3 questions.
1. Is there a sell on clause in the sale contract of Ryan Porteous which will benefit Hibernian in the event of a sale?
2. What is the clause?
3. Is there a maximum limit in the sum that Hibs can receive under that clause?

[scoopyboy]

The point I was making is that clauses in the Porteous contract could be anything at all and the only folk that know exactly what they are will be within the selling club Hibernian and the buying club Watford. Neither the supporters nor the media know any more about the clauses than what the clubs tell them which is generally what they want them to know. As a result both tend to fill the information vacuum with what they think the clauses are. The club never confirms nor denies whether those guesses are right or wrong.
To get a definitive answer you would have to ask Ben Kensall 3 questions.
1. Is there a sell on clause in the sale contract of Ryan Porteous from Hibernian to Watford?
2. What is the clause?
3. Is there a maximum limit in the sum that Hibs can receive under that clause?

I didn't go to the AGM this year but I'm sure Hibs mentioned a sell on percentage

[PHeffernan]

I didn't go to the AGM this year but I'm sure Hibs mentioned a sell on percentage

I heard that but I don't know if anyone was cute enough to follow it up by asking a follow up question i.e. if there is a limit to how much we could receive as a result of the clause.

[scoopyboy]

I heard that but I don't know if anyone was cute enough to follow it up by asking a follow up question i.e. if there is a limit to how much we could receive as a result of the clause.

I've honestly never heard of a limit on a sell on clause.

I dont think anybody questioned the sell on at the AGM but someone who was there may come on and clarify.

[JimBHibees]

I've honestly never heard of a limit on a sell on clause.

I dont think anybody questioned the sell on at the AGM but someone who was there may come on and clarify.

Yep will likely be a percentage of sell on fee so totally dependent on what that fee is.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I've honestly never heard of a limit on a sell on clause.

I dont think anybody questioned the sell on at the AGM but someone who was there may come on and clarify.

Did hearts not have that with Hickey?

[andrew70]

Did hearts not have that with Hickey?

Was it not that Hearts “sold” their sell on clause for a quick earner.

[007]

It's made up.
The point I was making is that clauses in the Porteous contract could be absolutely anything at all and the only folk that know exactly what they are will be within the selling club Hibernian and the buying club Watford. Neither the supporters nor the media know any more about the clauses than what the clubs tell them which is generally what they want them to know. As a result both fans and media tend to fill the information vacuum with what they think the clauses are. The club never confirms nor denies whether those guesses are right or wrong.
To get a definitive answer you would have to ask Ben Kensall 3 questions.
1. Is there a sell on clause in the sale contract of Ryan Porteous which will benefit Hibernian in the event of a sale?
2. What is the clause?
3. Is there a maximum limit in the sum that Hibs can receive under that clause?

Only needs 1 question. What is the full extent of Ryan Porteous's sell-on clause?

[Salisbury Hibby]

Hopefully Watford dont go up and he remains consistent. A prem team will come with a bid north of 15 million. Souttar was 15 million and isnt as good.There could be other clauses than a sell on fee. Promotion, number of games, international appearances are sometimes in there too.

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[Winston Ingram]

I've honestly never heard of a limit on a sell on clause.

I dont think anybody questioned the sell on at the AGM but someone who was there may come on and clarify.

There was a limit on Ivan Toney’s sell on clauses. When Peterborough originally sold him for £5m to Brentford. There were clauses based on goals scored, Brentford getting promotion and him getting an England cap.

The total fee ceiling was £10m so when he was capped by England last week, Peterborough got her haw as they’d already reached the ceiling as the goal and promotions clauses had already been paid out.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Was it not that Hearts “sold” their sell on clause for a quick earner.

Ah ok. :aok:

[1van Sprou7e]

Was it not that Hearts “sold” their sell on clause for a quick earner.

Find that very hard to believe, would be an insane financial decision for any club that's not completely skint

[andrew70]

Find that very hard to believe, would be an insane financial decision for any club that's not completely skint

Whatever it was they only got a 6 figure sum from a reported £18-20mill sale. Well under the going rate.

[PHeffernan]

Only needs 1 question. What is the full extent of Ryan Porteous's sell-on clause?

That's an open question, you haven't defined "full extent" so they can run rings round you.

[JimBHibees]

Did hearts not have that with Hickey?

Was it not they agreed to a set fee (rumoured to be 100k or so) rather than percentage of sell on?

[zlatan]

Was it not that Hearts “sold” their sell on clause for a quick earner.

It was Livingston that did this with Snodgrass under Massone. Were due a decent wedge and turned out he had sold it off before they went into administration.

[gbhibby]

https://twitter.com/ConalGTracey/status/1644643842040135680?s=20
That's the way to deal with somebody that stops you taking a quick free kick.

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[SickBoy32]

Really glad we sold our best defender, and one of the few sources of character and personality in the squad, for literal pennies in Jan

If anything sums up how rudderless we currently are (and have been for at least 18month), it's letting Porto's contract run down - whilst at the same time saddling us with Tavares, Melkerson, Newell, JDH etc for YEARS

What a mess

[Paulie Walnuts]

Unused sub for relegation threatened Preston North End at the weekend and has been for the last 3 games.

He’ll be back up the road soon, either to Rangers, Aberdeen or us. If I’m being honest, I’d be hoping it’s one of the first two.

[Pagan Hibernia]

Unused sub for relegation threatened Preston North End at the weekend and has been for the last 3 games.

He’ll be back up the road soon, either to Rangers, Aberdeen or us. If I’m being honest, I’d be hoping it’s one of the first two.

Can't see him going to Rangers! They really don't like him there!

[Hibernian Verse]

At the AGM Malky mentioned to a poster that we were working on bringing a player back to the club. I immediately thought of Porto as he'd just moved on loan, and with him missing out in the last 3 matches it's looking likely he will be moving somewhere.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Can't see him going to Rangers! They really don't like him there!

They don’t, but it’s probably about the market they’re shopping in now. It wouldn’t be the shock of the century for me to see him end up there.

[Paulie Walnuts]

At the AGM Malky mentioned to a poster that we were working on bringing a player back to the club. I immediately thought of Porto as he'd just moved on loan, and with him missing out in the last 3 matches it's looking likely he will be moving somewhere.

On the face of it it would seem the obvious one that jumps out, can’t think of anyone else.

I wouldn’t be going anywhere near him.

[bingo70]

I’d be delighted with Porteous coming back.

I also think Gray would get the most out of him and he’d be a really decent replacement for Rocky when he leaves.

[Hibernian Verse]

On the face of it it would seem the obvious one that jumps out, can’t think of anyone else.

I wouldn’t be going anywhere near him.

Nisbet? I think he will end up at whichever club finishes 3rd.

[Trinity Hibee]

At the AGM Malky mentioned to a poster that we were working on bringing a player back to the club. I immediately thought of Porto as he'd just moved on loan, and with him missing out in the last 3 matches it's looking likely he will be moving somewhere.

Interesting, seems the likely candidate.

Steven Fletcher, Greg docherty, Paul McGinn are the only other realistic ones I can think of

[Trinity Hibee]

Nisbet? I think he will end up at whichever club finishes 3rd.

Good shout too

[EGL2000]

Interesting, seems the likely candidate.

Steven Fletcher, Greg docherty, Paul McGinn are the only other realistic ones I can think of


Maybe a bit of a long shot but Liam Henderson? Plays alot for Empoli but is out of contract in the summer and not getting any younger.

[Trinity Hibee]

Maybe a bit of a long shot but Liam Henderson? Plays alot for Empoli but is out of contract in the summer and not getting any younger.

Would be great but would be amazed if he left Italy to come back here. Seems to be playing and enjoying life there

[CapitalGreen]

I’d be delighted with Porteous coming back.

I also think Gray would get the most out of him and he’d be a really decent replacement for Rocky when he leaves.

:agree: Part of the best defence outwith the old firm in back to back seasons then the following season under LJ we had the 2nd best defensive record over the opening 10 games. LJ then decided to change to a back 3 at Celtic Park and our good start to the season fell apart.

[KWJ]

Porteous would be a big improvement on O'Hora. More likely he'd be a replacement for Rocky though. Stick him in the Libero role Sauzee style.

[Hibspur]

Interesting, seems the likely candidate.

Steven Fletcher, Greg docherty, Paul McGinn are the only other realistic ones I can think of

He'll be 39 next season. Suspect he might retire at the end of this one.

[LaMotta]

Unused sub for relegation threatened Preston North End at the weekend and has been for the last 3 games.

He’ll be back up the road soon, either to Rangers, Aberdeen or us. If I’m being honest, I’d be hoping it’s one of the first two.

Preston are absolutely diabolical as well. Would be a downgrade on Rocky IMO.

[BILLYHIBS]

At the AGM Malky mentioned to a poster that we were working on bringing a player back to the club. I immediately thought of Porto as he'd just moved on loan, and with him missing out in the last 3 matches it's looking likely he will be moving somewhere.

Nisbet

🙏

[Blaster]

Hopefully he meant Triantis

[Hibernian Verse]

Hopefully he meant Triantis

Sure the club will be doing their best on this as well.

[Brightside]

Porteous would be a big improvement on O'Hora. More likely he'd be a replacement for Rocky though. Stick him in the Libero role Sauzee style.

Have you watched much of Porto this last year. He hasn't been great and doesn't look to have developed at all.

[The Modfather]

I’d be delighted with Porteous coming back.

I also think Gray would get the most out of him and he’d be a really decent replacement for Rocky when he leaves.

I’m normally off the mind to broaden our horizons, particularly with the Black Knights on board, rather than just get players back that we already know. However I think Porteous would really kick on and mature in the current formation and under Gray. Same with Nisbet.

Would love both back, but unlikely we’ll see either return.

[BILLYHIBS]

Have you watched much of Porto this last year. He hasn't been great and doesn't look to have developed at all.

Didn’t listen learn or improve has stood still

Not that fussed tbh but we need a replacement for Rocky if not already here

[Northernhibee]

Have you watched much of Porto this last year. He hasn't been great and doesn't look to have developed at all.

Yep. Time has run out for him to be able to show he’s able to develop further, and although it’s fine to say he’d improve under SDG, Gray won’t be here forever.

I’d rather we seen if we can develop Ekpiteta if Rocky is leaving as he seems no nonsense, good in the air, and strong.

[WhileTheChief..]

I’d be delighted with Porteous coming back.

I also think Gray would get the most out of him and he’d be a really decent replacement for Rocky when he leaves.

Same here. Always really liked him and he’ll have gained more experience.

Would be a good signing for any Scottish club

[Smartie]

I’m not convinced Porteous has developed any since the second he broke into our team.

That’s only a partial criticism, as I thought he was incredibly advanced when he first broke into the team at (iirc) 19 yo.

If he’d kicked on as appeared to be possible then he’d have been by far the best Scottish centre half for a generation but for whatever reason (and it is a bit perplexing) it just hasn’t happened.

I still feel that there’s an absolutely top drawer footballer in there but it’s trapped in the body and head of a bit of a dafty.

[HoboHarry]

Nisbet? I think he will end up at whichever club finishes 3rd.
He'll end up at whomever pays him the most money.

[CapitalGreen]

Yep. Time has run out for him to be able to show he’s able to develop further, and although it’s fine to say he’d improve under SDG, Gray won’t be here forever.

I’d rather we seen if we can develop Ekpiteta if Rocky is leaving as he seems no nonsense, good in the air, and strong.

He was our best centre back under Heckingbottom, Ross & Maloney and would most likely also be our best centre back under whoever replaced Gray.

[Thatdayinmay16]

Preston are absolutely diabolical as well. Would be a downgrade on Rocky IMO.
Jesus:confused:

[andrew70]

He'll end up at whomever pays him the most money.

Hopefully here, with Porto at the back.

Nisbet is quality as is Ryan.

Can’t see it being either unfortunately.

[andrew70]

Preston are absolutely diabolical as well. Would be a downgrade on Rocky IMO.

Wow. That’s some take.

[we are hibs]

I'd steer well clear of both him and Nisbet.





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[Since452]

Wow. That’s some take.

I'd agree that Porteous would be a downgrade on Rocky, now. Rocky is playing better for Hibs than Porteous ever did.

[Thatdayinmay16]

I'd agree that Porteous would be a downgrade on Rocky, now. Rocky is playing better for Hibs than Porteous ever did.

That's absolute nonsense though isn't it.

If you'd watched hibs under Jack Ross, Neil Lennon, Paul Heckingbottom or even Lee Johnson, you'd know that isn't true.

[gorgie greens]

I’m normally off the mind to broaden our horizons, particularly with the Black Knights on board, rather than just get players back that we already know. However I think Porteous would really kick on and mature in the current formation and under Gray. Same with Nisbet.

Would love both back, but unlikely we’ll see either return.

Personally I hope it is Myziane that he was on about

[BILLYHIBS]

Bit of a strange one but I reckon Rocky has now improved beyond Porteous at this moment in time through hard work and working on his weaknesses and consistency

Porto was doing erratic stuff with us crazy tackles moments of madness and is still doing these rash things has never improved or kicked on is on his way out at Watford and is in last chance Saloon at Preston

Do not think he would ever come back here as that would be admitting failure

Would like Nisbet back but not financially viable don’t think the BK’s would sanction it but hopefully they have other options

[Since452]

That's absolute nonsense though isn't it.

If you'd watched hibs under Jack Ross, Neil Lennon, Paul Heckingbottom or even Lee Johnson, you'd know that isn't true.

I'm not saying on the whole. I'm saying now. Porteous never had a season as good as this. Not even close. Rocky has been an absolute colossus this season. I can't ever remember saying that about Porteous.

[hibsbollah]

Wow. That’s some take.

LaMotta is correct IMO. Rocky is a better player than Porto.

[Thatdayinmay16]

I'm not saying on the whole. I'm saying now. Porteous never had a season as good as this. Not even close. Rocky has been an absolute colossus this season. I can't ever remember saying that about Porteous.

Did you watch us when we finished 3rd? He was absolutely outstanding that year him and Paul Hanlon didn't put a foot wrong all season.

[blackpoolhibs]

I'd love Ryan back, and Nisbet too.:pray:

[Wilson]

I'd steer well clear of both him and Nisbet.





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We could always let Aberdeen sign them and see if they make any difference at all in a crunch game.

[BILLYHIBS]

Wow. That’s some take.

Rocky is better than Porto

[Since452]

Did you watch us when we finished 3rd? He was absolutely outstanding that year him and Paul Hanlon didn't put a foot wrong all season.

I'm not saying Porteous was a bad player I just think Rocky is now better.

[CapitalGreen]

I'm not saying on the whole. I'm saying now. Porteous never had a season as good as this. Not even close. Rocky has been an absolute colossus this season.

Nonsense, the season we finished 3rd under JR. 15 clean sheets, conceding less than a goal a game.

[Thatdayinmay16]

LaMotta is correct IMO. Rocky is a better player than Porto.

He's not though. an 18 game streak of playing well doesn't make you a better player, Rocky will obviously gain an advantage from recency bias but he is no way a better player.

Don't get me wrong he has improved playing in the middle of a back 3, but saying a CB who struggles to header a ball is better than a guy who's played nearly 100 games for 2 big clubs in England and was arguably Scotland's best player for in the run up to the Euro's is absolute madness.

[jeffers]

I'd love Ryan back, and Nisbet too.:pray:

Would be delighted to see Porto return. I’d be amazed if DG went anywhere near Nisbet.

[The Modfather]

Personally I hope it is Myziane that he was on about

I’d forgotten about him. Now that would be some signing and preferable to Nisbet, or Porteous.

[The Modfather]

Would be delighted to see Porto return. I’d be amazed if DG went anywhere near Nisbet.

To play devils advocate, it’s interesting to see the difference in views between Nisbet & Youan. One labelled as a bad egg and having attitude problems, the other given a large benefit of the doubt.

[Ribs1875]

Porteous divides a lot of opinion, my take on him is he has the attributes to be a top defender. I don't think his attitude is as bad as it's made out. He keeps himself fit, turns up to training and does seem to take being a footballer seriously enough. The problem with him is he is not an intelligent person, and that spills into his game. His lack of maturity, decisions making and aggression are what holds him back. Another thing that annoyed me about him is when he got caught out of position he quickly blamed others. He's too much of an individual player and not a team player.

I may come off as contradicting myself, but if the opportunity arises to take him back then absolutely. There is still time for him to knock these negative aspects out his game with the right coaching and players around him.

[Greenbeard]

Would be delighted to see Porto return. I’d be amazed if DG went anywhere near Nisbet.
I'm on the fence about Porteous although if Rocky goes we could do a lot worse than have him back.
The way Nisbet celebrated his goal on Saturday, I can't imagine he is contemplating a possible return to Hibs.

[CapitalGreen]

To play devils advocate, it’s interesting to see the difference in views between Nisbet & Youan. One labelled as a bad egg and having attitude problems, the other given a large benefit of the doubt.

I don’t know which player you are labelling as which. There is a wide variety of differing opinions held on both players across this board.

[jeffers]

To play devils advocate, it’s interesting to see the difference in views between Nisbet & Youan. One labelled as a bad egg and having attitude problems, the other given a large benefit of the doubt.

Personally I’ve no real opinion on Youan’s attitude, though like Porteous doesn’t do himself any favours at times with some of his actions.

I’ve no idea if there is anything in Porteous links, but if DG wanted him to return it would say to me his attitude wasn’t that bad. It’s exactly why I don’t think he’d touch Nisbet.

[we are hibs]

We could always let Aberdeen sign them and see if they make any difference at all in a crunch game.Couldn't care less who Aberdeen sign tbh. Just cause he scored one good goal doesn't change anything. He was largely anonymous on saturday just like was at Hampden last week against Hearts and for a large chunk of games at Hibs where his attitude was absolutely stinking at times.

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[BILLYHIBS]

He's not though. an 18 game streak of playing well doesn't make you a better player, Rocky will obviously gain an advantage from recency bias but he is no way a better player.

Don't get me wrong he has improved playing in the middle of a back 3, but saying a CB who struggles to header a ball is better than a guy who's played nearly 100 games for 2 big clubs in England and was arguably Scotland's best player for in the run up to the Euro's is absolute madness.

Nah Porteous never improved or developed as expected at Hibs

Rocky and Porteous only played about 20 times together at the back and there was little to choose between the two Porto kept letting himself down with radge tackles mistakes and sendings off letting the side down and letting the opposition and press get inside his head if anything Rocky picked up bad habits that falling on the ball thing ? Dearie me !
Rocky soon found out Porto wasn’t as good as he made out

Porto had one good game at the Euro’s qualifiers versus Ukraine and got suckered into a soft penalty by Haaland in Norway and got found out in Germany

Rocky is a model of hard work on his weaknesses and consistency was willing to learn and has improved

Wish him all the best wherever he ends up and has a fantastic attitude and has earned his big move

Expected Porteous to do better than Watford and Preston tbh hardly big clubs ?

Maybes if he had stayed here a wee bit longer to learn his trade ?

[easty]

He's not though. an 18 game streak of playing well doesn't make you a better player, Rocky will obviously gain an advantage from recency bias but he is no way a better player.

Don't get me wrong he has improved playing in the middle of a back 3, but saying a CB who struggles to header a ball is better than a guy who's played nearly 100 games for 2 big clubs in England and was arguably Scotland's best player for in the run up to the Euro's is absolute madness.

:agree:

[easty]

Nah Porteous never improved or developed as expected at Hibs

Rocky and Porteous only played about 20 times together at the back and there was little to choose between the two Porto kept letting himself down with Radge tackles sendings off letting the side down and letting the opposition and press get inside his head if anything Rocky picked up bad habits that falling on the ball thing ?
Rocky soon found out Porto wasn’t as good as he made out Porto had one good game at the Euro’s versus Ukraine and got suckered into a soft penalty by Haaland in Norway and got found out in Germany

Rocky is a model of hard work on his weaknesses and consistency and has improved

Wish him all the best wherever he ends up and has a fantastic attitude

How often do Hibs have players who don't improve or develop well enough, but then move on to the English Championship and play regularly? Is Porteous the only one ever?

[Since452]

Porteous had to leave for his own and our own good. It was becoming the Porteous show and we suffered as a team I feel. Good player on his day, no doubt about it, but I don't want him back. I was quite relieved he left in the end.

[Jock O]

Would wanting Porteous and Rocky in same team next year be greedy, or stupid :-)

[Donegal Hibby]

Wow. That’s some take.

I’d rather Rocky as well .

[Hibdan12]

What the OG Rocky up to these days? Marciano.

[Wilson]

Couldn't care less who Aberdeen sign tbh. Just cause he scored one good goal doesn't change anything. He was largely anonymous on saturday just like was at Hampden last week against Hearts and for a large chunk of games at Hibs where his attitude was absolutely stinking at times.

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He hasn't just scored one goal. His goals are a big part of their revival. He's a winner and folk on here say not to touch him. Madness. Now we've not to touch Porteous. Perhaps third place wouldn't be in the balance if we signed players of such quality.

[BILLYHIBS]

How often do Hibs have players who don't improve or develop well enough, but then move on to the English Championship and play regularly? Is Porteous the only one ever?

Only recent one I can think of is SJM and he has done no too bad :greengrin

Maybes sold him too cheap

Captain now I believe ?

[Pretty Boy]

Porteous just seems to me to be one of those players who has never really kicked on.

Over his time at Hibs he was still making the same bad decisions in the last few weeks as he was in the first. Obviously he improved as a player but there was always a self inflicted drama in him. Contrast that to someone like Rocky (and I'm making no comment on who is the better player here) who has quite clearly tidied up elements of his game and improved his decision making. He's looking upwards in his career now, Porteous really doesn't seem to be.

Maybe it's a mental thing or maybe his ceiling just wasn't as high as people thought but he's not really reached the potential the club or the fans thought he had. I remember George Craig saying to me he was potentially a top 6 EPL player, he's evidently nowhere near that now and he's never going to be.

I'd take him back but it would be a bit of a last chance saloon for him if it happened. He's somewhat out the picture with Scotland, out of favour at his parent club and now out of favour with his loan club. At 26 when he should be approaching his peak that's not where he wants to be.

[Paulie Walnuts]

How often do Hibs have players who don't improve or develop well enough, but then move on to the English Championship and play regularly? Is Porteous the only one ever?

He moved onto the English Championship and been poor, hence why he’s been shipped out on loan where he’s again been poor at a different side. That’s after leaving us when he was making a considerable amount of mistakes.

Porteous looked an unreal prospect when he broke through. The version of Porteous that left us was much the same as the one that broke through about 4 or 5 years previous but with what appeared an added layer of idiocy that wasn’t nearly as evident when he broke through.

There’s been little positive about Porteous’ career for about 5 years or so now other than the fact he’s picking up a bigger wage.

[we are hibs]

He hasn't just scored one goal. His goals are a big part of their revival. He's a winner and folk on here say not to touch him. Madness. Now we've not to touch Porteous. Perhaps third place wouldn't be in the balance if we signed players of such quality.How exactly is he a "winner"? What's he won? If going about the park with a face like a slapped arse constantly makes him a winner to you then fair enough. Guy couldn't even be bothered to get himself in decent shape for the start of pre season at Millwall which is why he was shipped off to Aberdeen.


As for Porteous he's 26 now and still making the same daft rash decisions. Still goes down like a sack of tatties every time someone is near him wanting the ref to bail him out rather than defending properly. We didn't exactly miss him when he left. Infact we moved up the league and our form improved after he left.

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[Thatdayinmay16]

Nah Porteous never improved or developed as expected at Hibs

Rocky and Porteous only played about 20 times together at the back and there was little to choose between the two Porto kept letting himself down with radge tackles mistakes and sendings off letting the side down and letting the opposition and press get inside his head if anything Rocky picked up bad habits that falling on the ball thing ? Dearie me !
Rocky soon found out Porto wasn’t as good as he made out Porto had one good game at the Euro’s qualifiers versus Ukraine and got suckered into a soft penalty by Haaland in Norway and got found out in Germany

Rocky is a model of hard work on his weaknesses and consistency was willing to learn and has improved

Wish him all the best wherever he ends up and has a fantastic attitude and has earned his big move

Expected Porteous to do better than Watford and Preston tbh hardly big clubs ?

Maybes if he had stayed here a wee bit longer to learn his trade ?


What an absolutely baffling take, if Porteous never "Developed" or "Progressed" at hibs, he wouldn't currently be playing in the championship, we wouldn't have made a single dime from him and he wouldn't have been a consistent starter for Scotland at one point.

Don't talk nonsense about his time in the Scotland team up until Germany, bar the penalty decision in Norway, which was soft as **** he was outstanding and one of the first names in the side. Used as a scapegoat in Germany once again by the west coast media for a challenge he wouldn't have been sent off for 5 years ago. Scotland have been absolutely dross defensively since he's come out of the side.

270 games for Ryan Porteous, 132 games for an older Rocky Bushiri.

Your absolutely miles off it. 5 red cards in 270 games? A couple of which were absolutely baffling decisions.

Rocky couldn't lace the laddies boots, the guy struggles to heed a ball and is still very suspect when on the ball no matter how much he's improved.

[LaMotta]

I'd agree that Porteous would be a downgrade on Rocky, now. Rocky is playing better for Hibs than Porteous ever did.


LaMotta is correct IMO. Rocky is a better player than Porto.


He moved onto the English Championship and been poor, hence why he’s been shipped out on loan where he’s again been poor at a different side.

Porteous looked an unreal prospect when he broke through. The version of Porteous that left us was much the same as the one that broke through about 4 or 5 years previous but with what appeared an added layer of idiocy.

:agree::agree::agree:
This thread has just reinforced to me how overrated Porteous was by some fans.

That's not me saying he was a bad player - on his day he could be very good. But he got away with absolute murder from some Hibs fans who were completely blind to his numerous errors that cost us goals or rash tackles that led to red and yellow cards. Porto's howler list for Hibs is worse than Rocky's, despite Rocky somehow having a reputation along those lines. I think Porto got away with some things because he was a wind up merchant and seen as Hibs through and through. I'd absolutely pick Rocky over Porteous in a Hibs eleven every day of the week - based on ability and character.

Porto was good in the season we came third under Ross, but he had Marciano behind him, the best goalie we have had for decades. He also had the best left back we've seen at Easter Road for a good while playing next to him.

Porto also had a nightmare in the run up to the Scottish Cup Final that season - costing us defeat with a dreadful error v St Johnstone at Home. Darren McGregor came into the team after that and put in 2 MOM performances in a row. Still think it was a huge mistake not to start McGregor in that final.

As for his time in the Championship, the Watford fans thought he was crap and he can't get a game for a diabolical Preston team going through a horrendous run of form.

[Jock O]

He moved onto the English Championship and been poor,

P.

He played fairly regularly for Watford until most recent manager did he not? Not sure that would count as been poor from start. And Watford do change managers almost as much as our unruly neighbours do

[EGL2000]

I don’t know which player you are labelling as which. There is a wide variety of differing opinions held on both players across this board.

Was literally about to say the same thing both has received abuse from our fans at different periods.

[Thatdayinmay16]

How exactly is he a "winner"? What's he won? If going about the park with a face like a slapped arse constantly makes him a winner to you then fair enough. Guy couldn't even be bothered to get himself in decent shape for the start of pre season at Millwall which is why he was shipped off to Aberdeen.


As for Porteous he's 26 now and still making the same daft rash decisions. Still goes down like a sack of tatties every time someone is near him wanting the ref to bail him out rather than defending properly. We didn't exactly miss him when he left. Infact we moved up the league and our form improved after he left.

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We finished 8th and 5th when Ryan left. Hope this helps.

Ryan had two great seasons during his time where we finished 4th and 3rd, conceded the least amount of goals outside of the old firm in a season where we finished 3rd and was conceding less than a goal a game, also made it to happen twice that year.

Awaiting any current defender in our side to do that btwhttps://www.hibs.net/images/icons/icon14.png

[Thatdayinmay16]

:agree::agree::agree:
This thread has just reinforced to me how overrated Porteous was by some fans.

That's not me saying he was a bad player - on his day he could be very good. But he got away with absolute murder from some Hibs fans who were completely blind to his numerous errors that cost us goals or rash tackles that led to red and yellow cards. Porto's howler list for Hibs is worse than Rocky's, despite Rocky somehow having a reputation along those lines. I think Porto got away with some things because he was a wind up merchant and seen as Hibs through and through. I'd absolutely pick Rocky over Porteous in a Hibs eleven every day of the week - based on ability and character.

Porto was good in the season we came third under Ross, but he had Marciano behind him, the best goalie we have had for decades. He also had the best left back we've seen at Easter Road for a good while playing next to him.

Porto also had a nightmare in the run up to the Scottish Cup Final that season - costing us defeat with a dreadful error v St Johnstone at Home. Darren McGregor came into the team after that and put in 2 MOM performances in a row. Still think it was a huge mistake not to start McGregor in that final.

As for his time in the Championship, the Watford fans thought he was crap and he can't get a game for a diabolical Preston team going through a horrendous run of form.

It's not, up until December you could genuinely make the argument that Rocky Bushiri would go down with the likes of Harry Mckirdy etc.

[Paulie Walnuts]

He played fairly regularly for Watford until most recent manager did he not? Not sure that would count as been poor from start. And Watford do change managers almost as much as our unruly neighbours do

He played regularly and was regularly poor. There fans moaned about him all the time.

[jeffers]

It's not, up until December you could genuinely make the argument that Rocky Bushiri would go down with the likes of Harry Mckirdy etc.

:agree: He’s undoubtedly become a very good player for us but it’s almost as if some people forget his previous seasons, while at the same time ignoring how good Porteous was at times.

[we are hibs]

We finished 8th and 5th when Ryan left. Hope this helps.

Ryan had two great seasons during his time where we finished 4th and 3rd, conceded the least amount of goals outside of the old firm in a season where we finished 3rd and was conceding less than a goal a game, also made it to happen twice that year.

Awaiting any current defender in our side to do that btwhttps://www.hibs.net/images/icons/icon14.png

You're talking pish. We were 8th when Porteous left on the back of two embarrassing results V Hearts in January 2023. Hope this helps.


Porteous barely featured in that season we finished 4th. The regular back 3 was McGregor, Efe and Hanlon for the majority of the games. He came in and done well as a young lad particularly his debut at Ibrox and for other games that season but it was a handful of games. I've defended Porteous plenty times on here, especially the tackles V the Huns which I didn't think were reds but by the end I was fed up with the same old antics and he clearly wasn't learning.


From what I've seen when he's played for Watford he still does daft, needless things. He was outstanding for Scotland V Ukraine, he done well in other games for Scotland. I actually thought he was unlucky V Germany as it happened very quick and he was making a genuine attempt to block the shot, however the last time he featured since v Greece the first thing he done when he came on was a ridiculously stupid tackle in a nothing area of the park when he went in to try and do the guy.


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[LaMotta]

Did you watch us when we finished 3rd? He was absolutely outstanding that year him and Paul Hanlon didn't put a foot wrong all season.

Whilst he was good that season, Porto was dropped for our biggest league game of the season up at Aberdeen because he gifted St Johnstone a goal the week before.

[Billy Bunter 07]

Porteous is a better player than Rocky Bushiri.

Come on guys ffs.

[LaMotta]

It's not, up until December you could genuinely make the argument that Rocky Bushiri would go down with the likes of Harry Mckirdy etc.

It is. Write a list of Rocky howlers and it'll easily be matched by Porto.

As for your Harry McKirdy statement that's just sensationalist nonsense, along with your nonsense that he struggles to head a ball.

[LaMotta]

You're talking pish. We were 8th when Porteous left on the back of two embarrassing results V Hearts in January 2023. Hope this helps.


Porteous barely featured in that season we finished 4th. The regular back 3 was McGregor, Efe and Hanlon for the majority of the games. He came in and done well as a young lad particularly his debut at Ibrox and for other games that season but it was a handful of games. I've defended Porteous plenty times on here, especially the tackles V the Huns which I didn't think were reds but by the end I was fed up with the same old antics and he clearly wasn't learning.


From what I've seen when he's played for Watford he still does daft, needless things. He was outstanding for Scotland V Ukraine, he done well in other games for Scotland. I actually thought he was unlucky V Germany as it happened very quick and he was making a genuine attempt to block the shot, however the last time he featured since v Greece the first thing he done when he came on was a ridiculously stupid tackle in a nothing area of the park when he went in to try and do the guy.


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:agree: Rocky also won more derbies in 3 months than Porteous did in 5 years.

[easty]

How exactly is he a "winner"? What's he won? If going about the park with a face like a slapped arse constantly makes him a winner to you then fair enough. Guy couldn't even be bothered to get himself in decent shape for the start of pre season at Millwall which is why he was shipped off to Aberdeen.


As for Porteous he's 26 now and still making the same daft rash decisions. Still goes down like a sack of tatties every time someone is near him wanting the ref to bail him out rather than defending properly. We didn't exactly miss him when he left. Infact we moved up the league and our form improved after he left.

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You don't have to have won trophies to be a winner, do you? If so, we don't have many winners in our side at all.

Also, our form improved after Maolida left too. Which is just as irrelevant really.

[jeffers]

:agree: Rocky also won more derbies in 3 months than Porteous did in 5 years.

That will be the same Rocky who gave away a stupid penalty in a derby then let Shankland outmuscle him to score the winning goal later on in the same game.

[gbhibby]

I am sure Watford would accept £200k for Porteous,they did not pay that much more than that to us. Good addition to the squad but wages will be a stumbling block.

[LaMotta]

That will be the same Rocky who gave away a penalty in a derby then let Shankland outmuscle him to score the winning goal in the same game.

The penalty was hardly Rocky's fault. The late goal was shocking aye - not dissimilar to Porto error the previous season in the cup game at Easter Road that led to Hearts first of three goals that day. Porto's derby record was abysmal though - Rocky has a half decent one now.

[easty]

:agree: Rocky also won more derbies in 3 months than Porteous did in 5 years.

The sort of absolute guff statement I'd laugh at if a Hearts fan brought it up. Tells you absolutely nothing about either player.

[jeffers]

The penalty was hardly Rocky's fault. The late goal was shocking aye - very similar to Porto being outmuscled the previous seasons in the cup game at Easter Road that led to Hearts first of three goals that day. Porto's derby record was abysmal though - Rocky has a decent one now.

Not how I remember the penalty.

Not sure why the derby record is being mentioned unless you are trying to suggest their respective records in them is purely down to them in isolation.

[we are hibs]

You don't have to have won trophies to be a winner, do you? If so, we don't have many winners in our side at all.

Also, our form improved after Maolida left too. Which is just as irrelevant really.Our form didn't improve after Maolida left at all. We were terrible for the first 4 months of the season so where exactly did it improve?

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[hibsbollah]

He's not though. an 18 game streak of playing well doesn't make you a better player, Rocky will obviously gain an advantage from recency bias but he is no way a better player.

Don't get me wrong he has improved playing in the middle of a back 3, but saying a CB who struggles to header a ball is better than a guy who's played nearly 100 games for 2 big clubs in England and was arguably Scotland's best player for in the run up to the Euro's is absolute madness.

This thread is going to just become ‘aye he is’ …’naw he isnae’.

[LaMotta]

The sort of absolute guff statement I'd laugh at if a Hearts fan brought it up. Tells you absolutely nothing about either player.

It tells you that Porteous had a diabolical derby record over a sustained number of years, which quite frankly is unacceptable for a player that is meant to be as influential and as good as some are making out on here. :aok:

[Ribs1875]

Why has Rocky got brought into this to compare and contrast to Porteous?

Even our best defenders had mistakes in them. Hanlon/Stevenson have more loser medals than he has winners for us, but that doesn't make them terrible players.

[easty]

Our form didn't improve after Maolida left at all. We were terrible for the first 4 months of the season so where exactly did it improve?

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We're 3rd in the league, have you not noticed?

[Thatdayinmay16]

Whilst he was good that season, Porto was dropped for our biggest league game of the season up at Aberdeen because he gifted St Johnstone a goal the week before.

Yet he still played every other game, conceded 0.87 goals a game on his way to a 3rd place finish.

Bushiri currently playing in a back 5 is conceding on average 0.98 goals a game.

[HoboHarry]

This thread is going to just become ‘aye he is’ …’naw he isnae’.
Going to? Already is.

[we are hibs]

We're 3rd in the league, have you not noticed?Yeah well aware of that thanks. Our form was ***** for 4 months after he left. Whereas the 4 months after Porteous left our form improved. Not really difficult is it?

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[LaMotta]

Not how I remember the penalty.

Not sure why the derby record is being mentioned unless you are trying to suggest their respective records in them is purely down to them in isolation.

See my post above. Ill stick to my views that Porto could be a very good player for us, but has undoubtedly not as good as some people think he is and had many of his mistakes and deficiencies glossed over . I think Rocky will play at a better level for longer than Porto. Time will tell of course, and if I'm wrong Ill come back and say so in 6/7 years time. :greengrin

[LaMotta]

Going to? Already is.

No it's not!

[Thatdayinmay16]

:agree: Rocky also won more derbies in 3 months than Porteous did in 5 years.

Luke Chadwick must be a better footballer than Steven Gerrard then?

[LaMotta]

Why has Rocky got brought into this to compare and contrast to Porteous?

Even our best defenders had mistakes in them. Hanlon/Stevenson have more loser medals than he has winners for us, but that doesn't make them terrible players.

Because there are rumours that Porto is coming back and there are rumours that Rocky will be leaving. So its a quite valid discussion about a potential replacements potential worth against an outgoing player.

[Trinity Hibee]

Luke Chadwick must be a better footballer than Steven Gerrard then?

Gerrard’s not won an Edinburgh derby tbf 😉

[BILLYHIBS]

What an absolutely baffling take, if Porteous never "Developed" or "Progressed" at hibs, he wouldn't currently be playing in the championship, we wouldn't have made a single dime from him and he wouldn't have been a consistent starter for Scotland at one point.

Don't talk nonsense about his time in the Scotland team up until Germany, bar the penalty decision in Norway, which was soft as **** he was outstanding and one of the first names in the side. Used as a scapegoat in Germany once again by the west coast media for a challenge he wouldn't have been sent off for 5 years ago. Scotland have been absolutely dross defensively since he's come out of the side.

270 games for Ryan Porteous, 132 games for an older Rocky Bushiri.

Your absolutely miles off it. 5 red cards in 270 games? A couple of which were absolutely baffling decisions.

Rocky couldn't lace the laddies boots, the guy struggles to heed a ball and is still very suspect when on the ball no matter how much he's improved.

But he is not playing in the Championship

Binned by his mother club and cannae get a game at the auld pals act at Preston because basically there are others better and Hecky has to play his strongest team

No sign of him ever playing for Scotland again anytime soon or ever ?

My memory of his time at Hibs is of him thinking he was better than he actually was and blaming others when caught out of position

Loads of errors lots more than Rocky can mind him booting a guy up in the air at Killie when there was no need red card Tackle on Aribo Sent off versus the Hun 0-3 at Easter Road Caught in possession versus Ginelli Hearts at Easter Road conceded a free kick from which they scored 157 appearances 36 yellows 4 reds

Do not think I could handle Ryan Porteous coming back just a Circus but maybe SDG might be the man to put his career back on track but he would have to do a lot of growing up and be prepared to listen failing that it will be the lower leagues for Ryan I’m afraid

Rocky is now the better player

Deal with it ! :greengrin

[easty]

It tells you that Porteous had a diabolical derby record over a sustained number of years, which quite frankly is unacceptable for a player that is meant to be as influential and as good as some are making out on here. :aok:

You must hate players like Keith Wright with his 2 wins in 21 v Hearts too then aye. Unacceptable for a player as good as some make out.

[Pretty Boy]

Porteous is a better player than Rocky Bushiri.

Come on guys ffs.

It will be interesting to see who has the better career and plays at the higher level now though.

Porteous has probably played at the highest level he is ever going to. At a few months younger I wouldn't bet on saying the same about Rocky.

Football doesn't always boil down to raw ability; if it did then I'd agree Porto was the better player. Rocky seems to have a more sensible head on his shoulders. He's articulate, he seems to have the ability to shrug off mistakes and he's a really positive voice in the squad. All of that will stand him in good stead when he moves on from Hibs in the near future and I think his trajectory is very much upwards now.

[Since452]

Coming at it from a different angle, I wonder if Gray would get the best out of Porteous? As he absolutely has done with Rocky. Sometimes it's more about that manager you play under.

[easty]

It will be interesting to see who has the better career and plays at the higher level now though.

Porteous has probably played at the highest level he is ever going to. At a few months younger I wouldn't bet on saying the same about Rocky.

Football doesn't always boil down to raw ability; if it did then I'd agree Porto was the better player. Rocky seems to have a more sensible head on his shoulders. He's articulate, he seems to have the ability to shrug off mistakes and he's a really positive voice in the squad. All of that will stand him in good stead when he moves on from Hibs in the near future and I think his trajectory is very much upwards now.

Rocky will never play at a higher level than Ryan Porteous is at now. He'll maybe match it, but he'll never go higher than English Championship. Never in a million years is he playing EPL or any other top league.

[Trinity Hibee]

Coming at it from a different angle, I wonder if Gray would get the best out of Porteous? As he absolutely has done with Rocky. Sometimes it's more about that manager you play under.

Wouldn’t be a massive surprise if he did. I’m sure he respects SDG big time so if anyone was to change him it could be the manager

[LaMotta]

Luke Chadwick must be a better footballer than Steven Gerrard then?

Hilarious!

[easty]

Loads of errors lots more than Rocky can mind him booting a guy up in the air at Killie when there was no need red card Tackle on Aribo Sent off versus the Hun 0-3 at Easter Road Caught in possession versus Ginelli Hearts at Easter Road conceded a free kick from which they scored 157 appearances 36 yellows 4 reds



Yet, since he left, he's played more football than Rocky, at a higher level, against better players, and there's been one red card between them. For Rocky.

[Thatdayinmay16]

Yeah well aware of that thanks. Our form was ***** for 4 months after he left. Whereas the 4 months after Porteous left our form improved. Not really difficult is it?

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A massive 6 games won from January to May while finishing in the dizzy heights of 5th. Amazing really.

[Thatdayinmay16]

Hilarious!

Not hilarious though.

If your going on Derby wins then by the same logic, Anderson is also better than Gerrard. Christopher Wreh must be better than Luis Suarez too.

[Ribs1875]

Coming at it from a different angle, I wonder if Gray would get the best out of Porteous? As he absolutely has done with Rocky. Sometimes it's more about that manager you play under.

That is my thoughts. Best example of this was O'Connor who was hopeless under Williamson and a different player under Mowbray.

[easty]

That is my thoughts. Best example of this was O'Connor who was hopeless under Williamson and a different player under Mowbray.

I'd say that Rocky under SDG is an even better example. He's been a player that would be first name on the team sheet for months now. Previously, if he wasn't even on the bench I wouldn't have cared.

[we are hibs]

A massive 6 games won from January to May while finishing in the dizzy heights of 5th. Amazing really.We went from 8th to 5th and under a competent manager would've beaten 10 man Hearts at Tynecastle on the final day to finish 4th [emoji106]



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[Pretty Boy]

Rocky will never play at a higher level than Ryan Porteous is at now. He'll maybe match it, but he'll never go higher than English Championship. Never in a million years is he playing EPL or any other top league.

Has he not already played in the top league in Belgium?

[easty]

Has he not already played in the top league in Belgium?

Is that a higher level than English Championship? Is that even a higher level than SPL?

[LaMotta]

You must hate players like Keith Wright with his 2 wins in 21 v Hearts too then aye. Unacceptable for a player as good as some make out.

Must I aye:hilarious

Keith Wright won us a cup, of course's a legend.

[Thatdayinmay16]

We went from 8th to 5th and under a competent manager would've beaten 10 man Hearts at Tynecastle on the final day to finish 4th [emoji106]



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If my Granny had wheels, she would have been a bike. :Awright!:

[easty]

Must I aye:hilarious

Keith Wright won us a cup, of course's a legend.

But his derby record..."unacceptable" for a player who's meant to be good.

[LaMotta]

Not hilarious though.

If your going on Derby wins then by the same logic, Anderson is also better than Gerrard. Christopher Wreh must be better than Luis Suarez too.

They never played for the same team though did they - so what are you on about? Christpher Wreh and Suarez? eh?

Anyway I'm not saying Rocky's a better player just because he has fared better in derbies - but it's a piece of the jigsaw

[Ribs1875]

I'd say that Rocky under SDG is an even better example. He's been a player that would be first name on the team sheet for months now. Previously, if he wasn't even on the bench I wouldn't have cared.

Alen Orman was another example...

[Donegal Hibby]

On what Gray and MM said about bringing players that are the right character to the club , surely Rocky wins in that respect?

[BILLYHIBS]

Yet, since he left, he's played more football than Rocky, at a higher level, against better players, and there's been one red card between them. For Rocky.

Eh?

Rocky only has one red 2/3/2022 versus Dundee away and Porto played in that team

Porto had a red Aberdeen away 19/3/2022

Porto had a red versus Germany 14/6/2024 better players right enough

Only the 30 yellows since leaving :greengrin

Your point is caller ?

Maybes some of the reds earned were harsh especially against the Huns

[easty]

Eh?

Rocky only has one red 2/3/2022 versus Dundee away and Porto played in that team

Porto had a red Aberdeen away 19/3/2022

Porto had a red versus Germany 14/6/2024 better players right enough

Only the 30 yellows since leaving :greengrin

Your point is caller ?

Porto cannae have got a red away at Aberdeen since he left Hibs :aok:

I wasnt looking at international games, just club football, but fair point on the Scotland red.

My point was in response to you bringing up Porteous' disciplinary record, when he's had less red cards (at club level) then Rocky, despite playing much more football, and at a higher level.

[Hibs4185]

Would have Rocky over Porteous every day of the week, not just for footballing ability, but you never beat a thing about Rocky outside of football. He looks a solid pro dedicated to becoming a better footballer.

Porteous has a bit of baggage with the press

[Thatdayinmay16]

They never played for the same team though did they - so what are you on about? Christpher Wreh and Suarez? eh?

Anyway I'm not saying Rocky's a better player just because he has fared better in derbies - but it's a piece of the jigsaw

So by "its a piece of the jigsaw" logic, because Luke Chadwick and Christopher Wreh won more League titles in England than Gerrard and Suarez, they must be better?

[Bayern Bru]

Eh?

Rocky only has one red 2/3/2022 versus Dundee away and Porto played in that team

Porto had a red Aberdeen away 19/3/2022

Porto had a red versus Germany 14/6/2024 better players right enough

Only the 30 yellows since leaving :greengrin

Your point is caller ?

Maybes some of the reds earned were harsh especially against the Huns

Pedant alert – Rocky got sent off for his part in the Tynecastle brawl on the last day of the 2022-23 season, although he was an unused sub

[Gloucester Hibs]

For me if you were to offer me Rocky on a new deal for next season or Porteous back I’d probably go with Rocky. Would be happy with either scenario though.

[LaMotta]

But his derby record..."unacceptable" for a player who's meant to be good.

Keith Wright knew himself that the derby record when he was there wasn't good enough, aye.

[Bayern Bru]

Porto cannae have got a red away at Aberdeen since he left Hibs :aok:

I wasnt looking at international games, just club football, but fair point on the Scotland red.

My point was in response to you bringing up Porteous' disciplinary record, when he's had less red cards (at club level) then Rocky, despite playing much more football, and at a higher level.

Porteous left Hibs in January 2023. He did get a red card at Aberdeen in March 2022, and it led to a four game ban because of previous reds.

[BILLYHIBS]

Porto cannae have got a red away at Aberdeen since he left Hibs :aok:

I wasnt looking at international games, just club football, but fair point on the Scotland red.

My point was in response to you bringing up Porteous' disciplinary record, when he's had less red cards (at club level) then Rocky, despite playing much more football, and at a higher level.

Porto Defo got a red playing for us at Aberdeen as quoted 19/3/2022

Porto’s last game for us was 22/1/2023 0-3 versus Hearts in the Scottish Cup

Porto’s 4 reds for Hibs beats Rocky who has 1 for Hibs 1 for Oostende

Rocky is a good boy

When I went to school 4 was higher than 2 :greengrin

www.fitbastats.com

[LaMotta]

So by "its a piece of the jigsaw" logic, because Luke Chadwick and Christopher Wreh won more League titles in England than Gerrard and Suarez, they must be better?


That's not even close to anything I've said about Rocky:hilarious. Your jigsaw is a mess.

[Sergio sledge]

On what Gray and MM said about bringing players that are the right character to the club , surely Rocky wins in that respect?

I think that would play a big part in any decision to bring Porteous back to the club, as it would in any player signing.

By all accounts in Rocky we have a guy here who the players seem to universally love, who looks like he would run through brick walls for the team and has (this season) grown into a driving force in the team.

If he's leaving we have to try to bring in someone who could do that as well. I think Porteous has all the attributes to be that sort of guy, he's strong, quick, good with the ball and vocal. However, from what we saw when he was with us, I'd have doubts whether he could be that unifying leader on the pitch that Rocky seems to have grown to be. When he was here last he didn't seem like the sort of character that would be universally loved in the squad. He seems overly critical of team mates on the pitch and I seem to remember him being mic'd up in a training game and the way he spoke to one of the younger players (Melkerson or Jair maybe) didn't seem like the sort of thing that would inspire them to follow him into battle.

It would be all mental stuff with Porteous though, he has all the skills and physical attributes to be a brilliant defender in this league so if SDG thinks he can get into his head, help him mature and cut out the silly stuff and not get involved in daft spats with opposition managers, and become an inspiring figure on the pitch that the whole squad will unify around then I'll trust him to do it.

He's performed miracles before, who's to say he can't do it again.

[easty]

Pedant alert – Rocky got sent off for his part in the Tynecastle brawl on the last day of the 2022-23 season, although he was an unused sub

:aok: yep


Porto Defo got a red playing for us at Aberdeen as quoted 19/3/2022

Porto’s 4 reds for Hibs beats Rocky who has 1 for Hibs 1 for Oostende

Rocky is a good boy

When I went to school 4 was higher than 2 :greengrin

I'm not debating any of that.

What I said was, since Porteous left Hibs. So when he's no longer here, cos he's moved to Watford in Jan 2023. Since then, there's been 1 red card issued to Rocky and zero to Porteous. Despite Porteous playing more football in that time, at a higher level.

[SHODAN]

Seven Edinburgh derbies played and no wins isn't a good look however you try and swing it.

You can't really argue that he suffered from the players around him either as he was unavailable/unselected for multiple derby wins during the time he was here.

[LaMotta]

I think that would play a big part in any decision to bring Porteous back to the club, as it would in any player signing.

By all accounts in Rocky we have a guy here who the players seem to universally love, who looks like he would run through brick walls for the team and has (this season) grown into a driving force in the team.

If he's leaving we have to try to bring in someone who could do that as well. I think Porteous has all the attributes to be that sort of guy, he's strong, quick, good with the ball and vocal. However, from what we saw when he was with us, I'd have doubts whether he could be that unifying leader on the pitch that Rocky seems to have grown to be. When he was here last he didn't seem like the sort of character that would be universally loved in the squad. He seems overly critical of team mates on the pitch and I seem to remember him being mic'd up in a training game and the way he spoke to one of the younger players (Melkerson or Jair maybe) didn't seem like the sort of thing that would inspire them to follow him into battle.

It would be all mental stuff with Porteous though, he has all the skills and physical attributes to be a brilliant defender in this league so if SDG thinks he can get into his head, help him mature and cut out the silly stuff and not get involved in daft spats with opposition managers, and become an inspiring figure on the pitch that the whole squad will unify around then I'll trust him to do it.

He's performed miracles before, who's to say he can't do it again.

This is a really good post IMO - fair and balanced.

Interesting on the bit in bold in that season where we came third under Ross - Doig made a mistake up at St Johnstone that cost us a goal and there is footage of Porto going absolutely mental at him throwing his arms and jumping up and down. Porto then made an even worse mistake against St Johnstone costing us a goal a couple of weeks later.....

[BILLYHIBS]

:aok: yep



I'm not debating any of that.

What I said was, since Porteous left Hibs. So when he's no longer here, cos he's moved to Watford in Jan 2023. Since then, there's been 1 red card issued to Rocky and zero to Porteous. Despite Porteous playing more football in that time, at a higher level.
Duh!

Since Porto left Hibs Rocky has earned no red cards not unless you are talking about that stupid mass brawl at Tiny where Rocky was an used sub ?

No red card recorded for Rocky

Only one for Cochrane of Hearts

Sorry but struggling to see or appreciate your point here

If you could provide the date and fixture of this red card that would be just dandy ?

[blackpoolhibs]

Coming at it from a different angle, I wonder if Gray would get the best out of Porteous? As he absolutely has done with Rocky. Sometimes it's more about that manager you play under.

If we are being honest, Rocky was a liability for a long period of time under numerous managers.

Gray has him playing to his strengths now, clearing the ball into row Z when needed, maybe he could do the same with Ryan?

[WestStandWillie]

I'm not fussed about having Porteous back.

Might just be who his team mates were at the time but it was always someone else's fault whenever a goal was conceded.

Cannot question his passion but I'd rather the money was used to trying to get Rocky on a new deal

[Billy Whizz]

Some players are just made to play for Hibs, and Ryan is one of them
Top lad and top player

[Paulie Walnuts]

Yet he still played every other game, conceded 0.87 goals a game on his way to a 3rd place finish.

Bushiri currently playing in a back 5 is conceding on average 0.98 goals a game.

No he didn’t. He was dropped for other games that season as well. He certainly wasn’t some sort of imperious centre half that season, he was left out the starting line up for 6 of our 38 league games due to poor form.

If your best season saw you left out of 6 league games at two different points of the season due to poor form then it becomes an enormous stretch to claim he was anything more than decent.

[easty]

Duh!

Since Porto left Hibs Rocky has earned no red cards not unless you are talking about that stupid mass brawl at Tiny where Rocky was an used sub ?

No red card recorded

Sorry but struggling to see or appreciate your point here

If you could provide the date and fixture of this red card that would be just dandy ?

I feel like I've been perfectly clear about my point. You mentioned Porteous disciplinary record as a negative against him, I said that since he left Hibs there's only been one red card (in club football) between the 2 of them. You don't have to like the point I made, you don't have to find it in the slightest bit interesting. But surely you can see the point I'm making?

Rocky has had no red cards except that one, which was one, and he was suspended :confused:

[easty]

If we are being honest, Rocky was a liability for a long period of time under numerous managers.

Gray has him playing to his strengths now, clearing the ball into row Z when needed, maybe he could do the same with Ryan?

He's been a liability for the vast majority of his time here, it's why most of our managers (including SDG) have left him out completely for periods.

To give credit where it's due though, since November he's been very good.

[CapitalGreen]

I feel like I've been perfectly clear about my point. You mentioned Porteous disciplinary record as a negative against him, I said that since he left Hibs there's only been one red card (in club football) between the 2 of them. You don't have to like the point I made, you don't have to find it in the slightest bit interesting. But surely you can see the point I'm making?

Rocky has had no red cards except that one, which was one, and he was suspended :confused:

That one doesn’t count though because it was for being involved in a mass brawl which obviously gives no indication towards losing discipline 🥴

[blackpoolhibs]

He's been a liability for the vast majority of his time here, it's why most of our managers (including SDG) have left him out completely for periods.

To give credit where it's due though, since November he's been very good.

He's been brilliant since coming in, he's listened to the manager and is reaping the benefit.:agree::top marks

[Ribs1875]

He's been a liability for the vast majority of his time here, it's why most of our managers (including SDG) have left him out completely for periods.

To give credit where it's due though, since November he's been very good.

To be honest up until December the previous few years we were a joke. Many players including Rocky fell short due to our inconsistency and knee jerk changing of managers. Folk like Vente, Melkersen and even Porteous perhaps never hit the heights that we are seeing folk like Rocky, Cadden and Co are currently hitting under Gray.

[LaMotta]

He's been a liability for the vast majority of his time here, it's why most of our managers (including SDG) have left him out completely for periods.

To give credit where it's due though, since November he's been very good.

Why do people have to over exaggerate with hyperbole like this?

There is no doubt he had some dodgy moments and has improved greatly. But to say he has been a liability for the vast majority of his time here is, using a word you seem to like, "guff"

[Thatdayinmay16]

No he didn’t. He was dropped for other games that season as well. He certainly wasn’t some sort of imperious centre half that season, he was left out the starting line up for 6 of our 38 league games due to poor form.

2020/21 he played 4187 minutes and conceded 43 goals in all competitions, less than a goal a game, 37% clean sheet rate, 87 minutes per appearance.
2021/22 he played 3466 minutes and conceded 37 goals. in all competitions, less than a goal a game, 41% clean sheet rate. 86 mins per appearance.

Less than 10% of games missed due to "Poor form". Must have been held to a higher standard than half the guff we've had over the years.

[BILLYHIBS]

I feel like I've been perfectly clear about my point. You mentioned Porteous disciplinary record as a negative against him, I said that since he left Hibs there's only been one red card (in club football) between the 2 of them. You don't have to like the point I made, you don't have to find it in the slightest bit interesting. But surely you can see the point I'm making?

Rocky has had no red cards except that one, which was one, and he was suspended :confused:

Aye f#ck you were correct found it hidden away in the SFA archive a two match suspension on 27/5/2023

On the contrary I do find it interesting and if my arithmetic is correct that leaves us with Porto 4 reds Rocky only 3 reds still feel the mass brawl thing is a bit of a liberty and was an unused sub sitting on the bench so you cannot really say it was against better players good bad or indifferent if that really matters ?

Touché

[Paulie Walnuts]

2020/21 he played 4187 minutes and conceded 43 goals in all competitions, less than a goal a game, 37% clean sheet rate, 87 minutes per appearance.
2021/22 he played 3466 minutes and conceded 37 goals. in all competitions, less than a goal a game, 41% clean sheet rate. 86 mins per appearance.

Less than 10% of games missed due to "Poor form". Must have been held to a higher standard than half the guff we've had over the years.

He never appeared at all in 4 out of 38 league games that season. Thats already more than 10% and that’s not considering the 2 he was sub, which brings it up to 16% and not considering the games he was crap which lead to him being dropped.

The idea he was the colossus in 20/21 that you’re suggesting he was doesn’t really tie in with someone who was dropped twice, spending at least a quarter of the season either out of the team or in it and underperforming prior to being dropped.

[Thatdayinmay16]

Why do people have to over exaggerate with hyperbole like this?

There is no doubt he had some dodgy moments and has improved greatly. But to say he has been a liability for the vast majority of his time here is, using a word you seem to like, "guff"

He has been a liability in games though and it's why he was left out, had Rocky Bushiri left in the summer, not a single hibs fan would have been heartbroken or thinking "missed a trick with that one" He'd have been filed under many previous Gordon recruitment failings.

[Stevie Reid]

Whilst I wouldn't be massively fussed about it either way, I definitely wouldn't say no to Porteous coming back. If we have a similar vibe in terms of team spirit next season I think he would thrive on it, and would love to see what the coaching staff could bring out of him. Talent and desire is not in question - temperament and ability to still develop, very much so.

Hasn't had a great time down the road, but not the first and won't be last. Had caps in some very big games, and put in some excellent performances, for Scotland since he left us.

[BILLYHIBS]

He's been a liability for the vast majority of his time here, it's why most of our managers (including SDG) have left him out completely for periods.

To give credit where it's due though, since November he's been very good.

I can only really recall Rocky making two fatal errors last season Shankland and Simon Murray up in Dingwall other than that he was ok so this is just hyperbole

A blind man running for a bus could see he was better than the error ridden slow coaches O’Hora and Ekpiteta just glad that SDG saw the light in the nick of time

Funny how other Managers kept picking him ?

Played 35 times last season bit of a chance to take on a liability?

[LaMotta]

He has been a liability in games though and it's why he was left out, had Rocky Bushiri left in the summer, not a single hibs fan would have been heartbroken or thinking "missed a trick with that one" He'd have been filed under many previous Gordon recruitment failings.

Porto was a liability in games who was then left out.

The most important thing for me now though is that, no matter how he played previously, Rocky has reached a quality and consistent level of performace that was better than Porteous ever did for us IMO. So IMO Porto in Rocky out would he a downgrade:aok:

[Paulie Walnuts]

Porto was a liability in games who was then left out.

The most important thing for me now though is that, no matter how he played previously, Rocky has reached a quality and consistent level of performace that was better than Porteous ever did for us IMO. So IMO Porto in Rocky out would he a downgrade:aok:

:agree:

[erin go bragh]

Some players are just made to play for Hibs, and Ryan is one of them
Top lad and top player

I concur 👏

[Billy Bunter 07]

Rocky has been good for us for 6 months. Before that he was utter *****.
Porteous was good for us for 3 years.

The comparison is staggering.

[Since90+2]

Porteous would be a brilliant signing. Can't see it though, the money a mid table Championship club can pay him will be much more than us.

He's a better player than Bushiri.

[CapitalGreen]

Porto was a liability in games who was then left out.

The most important thing for me now though is that, no matter how he played previously, Rocky has reached a quality and consistent level of performace that was better than Porteous ever did for us IMO. So IMO Porto in Rocky out would he a downgrade:aok:

A 21 year old liability who played 86% of minutes as part of our 2nd best top flight defensive record in the last 75 years. Gies peace.

[Donegal Hibby]

Porto was a liability in games who was then left out.

The most important thing for me now though is that, no matter how he played previously, Rocky has reached a quality and consistent level of performace that was better than Porteous ever did for us IMO. So IMO Porto in Rocky out would he a downgrade:aok:

:agree:

[LaMotta]

A 21 year old liability who played 86% of minutes as part of our 2nd best top flight defensive record in the last 75 years. Gies peace.

FFS I never said he was a iliability overall, I said he was in games that led to him being left out, just as the other poster said Rocky was.

Gies peace indeed.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Porteous would be a brilliant signing. Can't see it though, the money a mid table Championship club can pay him will be much more than us.

He's a better player than Bushiri.

I’d be surprised if any other Championship clubs are looking at him.

He’s fell out of favour at a mid table Championship club, then went on loan to a bottom end Championship club and been crap there as well.

I said when he left Hibs that he’d be back up the road in the not too distant future. The guy just never learned. It appears there’s a half decent chance of that happening, or if it’s not a move up here it’ll be a move down the English leagues.

[Northernhibee]

FFS I never said he was a iliability overall, I said he was in games that led to him being left out, just as the other poster said Rocky was.

Gies peace indeed.

Porto had as many errors in him as Rocky ever did - his age and being a boyhood Hibs fan meant he got off lightly with the support.

If he’d matured since he left us I’d be excited, but his last two international appearances seen him given a straight red and then put in a challenge that arguably should also have been a straight red as soon as he returned.

He had some very good games for us, but he also made some stinkers too.

[Ribs1875]

Tbh Porteous as much of a immature idiot he is. He has played at a higher level than the likes of Hanlon and McGregor got to. The reason being because he is an overall better footballer ability wise. In terms of centre backs we've produced, he is probably the best centre half to come out of our youth since the turn of the millennium.

[PatHead]

What a crap thread knocking a current player and an excellent servant to the club.

[Jock O]

What a crap thread knocking a current player and an excellent servant to the club.

I was just thinking how sad this and Campbell thread were becoming, one defeat and its all pile on for some again.

[Since452]

Porteous was a home grown youngster with bags of potential who went on to become a full Scotland international whereas Rocky was from the Congo, signed by a hopeless manager, a figure of ridicule, slaughtered by a lot of fans and media alike and signed by mistake (likely not true).

To be talking about Rocky in the same breath as Porteous shows what an utterly incredible job both he and David Gray have done and that's why I'd pick Rocky. What a strength of character Rocky must have. Incredible. I take my hat off to him. Give me that in the team every time. His character echos that of the team over the last 6 months and that is largely down to him.

[HoboHarry]

What a crap thread knocking a current player and an excellent servant to the club.
:agree: :top marks

[eastmainsmsh]

Nisbet

🙏

Be a decent partnership Nizzy and Bowie

Would Love Porto back

[CapitalGreen]

Porteous was a home grown youngster with bags of potential who went on to become a full Scotland international whereas Rocky was from the Congo, signed by a hopeless manager, a figure of ridicule, slaughtered by a lot of fans and media alike and signed by mistake (likely not true).

To be talking about Rocky in the same breath as Porteous shows what an utterly incredible job both he and David Gray have done and that's why I'd pick Rocky. What a strength of character Rocky must have. Incredible. I take my hat off to him. Give me that in the team every time. His character echos that of the team over the last 6 months and that is largely down to him.

Or alternatively, a Belgian U21 international signed from the English Premier League on a salary greater than we paid Porteous while he was here. You’re describing Rocky like he’s some sort of competition winner who we plucked from obscurity and gave him a chance at being a professional.

[SickBoy32]

Porteous would be an excellent signing in the summer, would be delighted with that.

Think this thread just goes to show how effective the (hun orchestrated) media vendetta was. Sad to see hibbys turning on one of our own, same with JC on the other thread.

Brilliant centre half for us, and I think he’ll have improved from his experience down south. Admittedly i don’t watch the Championship but the number of games he’s played would suggest he’ll have learned and matured, at least a wee bit…

[easty]

Why do people have to over exaggerate with hyperbole like this?

There is no doubt he had some dodgy moments and has improved greatly. But to say he has been a liability for the vast majority of his time here is, using a word you seem to like, "guff"

I’m not over-exaggerating.

If we’d let Rocky go for free last summer, or the January before, or the summer before that nobody would’ve missed him.

[Lago]

Porteous would be an excellent signing in the summer, would be delighted with that.

Think this thread just goes to show how effective the (hun orchestrated) media vendetta was. Sad to see hibbys turning on one of our own, same with JC on the other thread.

Brilliant centre half for us, and I think he’ll have improved from his experience down south. Admittedly i don’t watch the Championship but the number of games he’s played would suggest he’ll have learned and matured, at least a wee bit…
I think Ryan probably believes he has out grown Hibs having been playing in championship for a bit.

[Iain G]

I think Ryan probably believes he has out grown Hibs having been playing in championship for a bit.

I hope we have outgrown Ryan Porteous to be honest, we are better keeping Rocky based on his form this season.

[Wilson]

I think Ryan probably believes he has out grown Hibs having been playing in championship for a bit.

I think Ryan believes in unicorns. Although I could be talking ***** as well.

[Wilson]

I hope we have outgrown Ryan Porteous to be honest, we are better keeping Rocky based on his form this season.

We haven't. We aren't in a position to write off players who perform at, or who we believe we can return to performing at, international standard.

I'd love it if we were in that position but we aren't.

Rocky falling in to his best position isn't enough to turn our noses up at quality additions.

Add to that nobody knows for sure Rocky is staying.

If Porto is looking to do a Nisbet, and return home to rediscover his best form, then we should definitely be interested.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I was just thinking how sad this and Campbell thread were becoming, one defeat and its all pile on for some again.

I’m not sure what the point of bringing Rocky into it has been but there’s absolutely nothing wrong with people discussing the merits of a Watford/PNE player.

[flash]

Couldn't we have Porto AND Rocky?

[Centre Hawf]

To me if there is an opportunity to bring Porteous back then I'd like to take it. If he went off to Rangers or Celtic (doubtful but you never know with squad restrictions) I wouldn't mind too much and move on, but if it's between say us and Aberdeen I don't really fancy them having him.

I think Ryan was a bit too big for his boots sometimes and perhaps his experience down south has humbled him, I'm not entirely sure. But on his day he was a really good defender for us at his age especially. Until his Euros red card he had been a well trusted Scotland defender who had performed admirably well for the team until that point imo too.

I personally don't think it will happen though, he could easily end up at a Wrexham or someone similar instead of coming back up the road to the Scottish press slaughtering him, earn more money in the process and still get to be in the big boy league for a bit longer.

He's a bit different to Nisbet in that while his time at Watford looks to be coming to an end, he has been a mainstay for the majority of his time down there making nearly 100 appearances between Watford/Preston in the time since moving whereas Nisbet clearly looked like it was a step too far for him from early on.

But stranger things have happened, maybe he misses being home.

[Ribs1875]

To me if there is an opportunity to bring Porteous back then I'd like to take it. If he went off to Rangers or Celtic (doubtful but you never know with squad restrictions) I wouldn't mind too much and move on, but if it's between say us and Aberdeen I don't really fancy them having him.

I think Ryan was a bit too big for his boots sometimes and perhaps his experience down south has humbled him, I'm not entirely sure. But on his day he was a really good defender for us at his age especially. Until his Euros red card he had been a well trusted Scotland defender who had performed admirably well for the team until that point imo too.

I personally don't think it will happen though, he could easily end up at a Wrexham or someone similar instead of coming back up the road to the Scottish press slaughtering him, earn more money in the process and still get to be in the big boy league for a bit longer.

He's a bit different to Nisbet in that while his time at Watford looks to be coming to an end, he has been a mainstay for the majority of his time down there making nearly 100 appearances between Watford/Preston in the time since moving whereas Nisbet clearly looked like it was a step too far for him from early on.

But stranger things have happened, maybe he misses being home.

I'd take him, and I don't he would be choosing Aberdeen over his boyhood club. He's not good enough for the old firm. Like you say the problem was he was too big for his boots. He knows he is the best centre back we've produced in the last 25 years. I think he would flourish under Gray and start to show signs of maturity. Bring him back and a couple of good seasons he'll be 28 and still have the potential to move for big money.

[Centre Hawf]

I'd take him, and I don't he would be choosing Aberdeen over his boyhood club. He's not good enough for the old firm. Like you say the problem was he was too big for his boots. He knows he is the best centre back we've produced in the last 25 years. I think he would flourish under Gray and start to show signs of maturity. Bring him back and a couple of good seasons he'll be 28 and still have the potential to move for big money.

I think the issue he has is that if he was to come back up the road he'd probably find it difficult to ever get back down there on anything but a free. If he was to come home it would have to be with a clear view of finishing his career at Hibs, perhaps as captain. Which while appealing may feel a bit like admitting defeat to someone like Porteous.

I do agree though that if we go in for him and he wants to come home I find it hard to see how he doesn't end up here.

[Thatdayinmay16]

I’m not over-exaggerating.

If we’d let Rocky go for free last summer, or the January before, or the summer before that nobody would’ve missed him.

This was the argument I was making but folk seem to just overlook it.

Folk were absolutely bewildered we only made £200k+ for Ryan, when had we sold him in the summer we'd have made upwards of a £1m, same can't be said for Rocky.

No doubting he's improved, but recency bias is a huge thing in football.

[BILLYHIBS]

This was the argument I was making but folk seem to just overlook it.

Folk were absolutely bewildered we only made £200k+ for Ryan, when had we sold him in the summer we'd have made upwards of a £1m, same can't be said for Rocky.

No doubting he's improved, but recency bias is a huge thing in football.

Porto made more errors than Rocky even when they were both playing together Porto being too clever getting caught in possession diving on the ball rather than clear his lines never learned kept making the same basic stupid errors on repeat blaming everyone but himself believing he was better than he actually was and that he was too good for us

There is an argument he was hounded out of Scotland

The argument is that Rocky has improved to a level of consistency that Porto never achieved in a Hibs jersey

I for one would have been devastated if Rocky had left in the summer had pace power and was still learning with loads of potential but fair to say I don’t think SDG and a few others fancied him much as they were setting up to leave Rocky third choice and out of the team

Rocky has proved them all wrong and our patience with him has paid off

Porto is yesterday’s man unless he comes back of course which I am coming round to as SDG can help cut out the stupid stuff in his game

[Ribs1875]

I think the issue he has is that if he was to come back up the road he'd probably find it difficult to ever get back down there on anything but a free. If he was to come home it would have to be with a clear view of finishing his career at Hibs, perhaps as captain. Which while appealing may feel a bit like admitting defeat to someone like Porteous.

I do agree though that if we go in for him and he wants to come home I find it hard to see how he doesn't end up here.

The thing is he is currently under contract until 2027. Would have to assume he would be sold on to another championship team. I can't see it happening this summer.

[Thatdayinmay16]

Porto made more errors than Rocky even when they were both playing together Porto being too clever getting caught in possession diving on the ball rather than clear his lines never learned kept making the same basic errors on repeat blaming everyone but himself believing he was better than he actually was and that he was too good for us

There is an argument he was hounded out of Scotland

The argument is that Rocky has improved to a level of consistency that Porto never achieved in a Hibs jersey

I for one would have been devastated if Rocky had left in the summer had pace power and was still learning with loads of potential but fair to say I don’t think SDG and a few others fancied him much as they were setting up to leave Rocky third choice and out of the team

Rocky has proved them all wrong and our patience with him has paid off

Porto is yesterday’s man unless he comes back of course which I am coming round to as SDG can help cut out the stupid stuff in his game

He didn't make more errors than Rocky.

If Ryan didn't reach a level of consistency at hibs then:

Why was he apart of very good defensive sides that finished 3rd and 4th?
Why did he get a move to one of the most competitive leagues in the world?
Why was he constantly one of the first names chosen under 5 different managers?
Why did he play something like 8 or 9 games in a row for Scotland on the way to one of the biggest national competitions on earth?
Why the huge transfer interest in the lad for 2/3 years?


Just absolute nonsense to say he didn't reach a consistent level at hibs, when in actual fact he was our most competent defender for 3 or so years.

Rocky has been good for 6 months. Consistently in and out of the team under several managers and has no major transfer interest surrounding him despite being older than Ryan?

Simple based on both's time at Hibs, if a manager had either option in front of them then 99% pick Ryan.

[Centre Hawf]

The thing is he is currently under contract until 2027. Would have to assume he would be sold on to another championship team. I can't see it happening this summer.

Yeah definitely. Even if he went on loan to another team or two for the last couple of years down in England they'd probably make more money on his loan fees than if we were to try buying him.

[Coco Bryce]

There's no danger Ryan is coming back to Hibs.

[Paulie Walnuts]

This was the argument I was making but folk seem to just overlook it.

Folk were absolutely bewildered we only made £200k+ for Ryan, when had we sold him in the summer we'd have made upwards of a £1m, same can't be said for Rocky.

No doubting he's improved, but recency bias is a huge thing in football.

Were folk bewildered? From how I remember it there was a general consensus that the deal suited everyone and it was best for him to leave as he was becoming a total liability. There was lots of chat around the time he left about how he should be getting dropped because he was playing so poorly.

Rocky could absolutely fetch us £1m if he signs a new deal. Infact if he carries on as he is he could fetch us multiple millions.

[BILLYHIBS]

He didn't make more errors than Rocky.

If Ryan didn't reach a level of consistency at hibs then:

Why was he apart of very good defensive sides that finished 3rd and 4th?
Why did he get a move to one of the most competitive leagues in the world?
Why was he constantly one of the first names chosen under 5 different managers?
Why did he play something like 8 or 9 games in a row for Scotland on the way to one of the biggest national competitions on earth?
Why the huge transfer interest in the lad for 2/3 years?


Just absolute nonsense to say he didn't reach a consistent level at hibs, when in actual fact he was our most competent defender for 3 or so years.

Rocky has been good for 6 months. Consistently in and out of the team under several managers and has no major transfer interest surrounding him despite being older than Ryan?

Simple based on both's time at Hibs, if a manager had either option in front of them then 99% pick Ryan.

The year we finished fourth he made 5 appearances and 4 as a sub ?

He was sold to Watford for 450k a no risk no brainer petty cash to them thought he might have gone to a bigger club tbh

Has a decent record for Scotland 13 caps was outstanding versus Ukraine let himself down in Germany sent off and lucky not to be sent off in his latest appearance needs to calm down and find a club with a regular game

No big club would get the cheque book out and take a risk on the lad because of his unpredictability and erratic performances

Rocky has been decent for longer than six months can only think of two fatal errors last season can think of loads from Ryan even in his last game 0-3 in the Scottish Cup versus Hearts tried to be smart rather than clearing his lines tried to beat Ginelli ended up pulling him down free kick to Hearts outside the box goal ! 0-1 to Hearts at a time when we were dominating his parting gift to us :greengrin

Right this moment in time in the here and now pretty sure SDG would pick Rocky over Porto more of a team player imho

[BILLYHIBS]

Were folk bewildered? From how I remember it there was a general consensus that the deal suited everyone and it was best for him to leave as he was becoming a total liability. There was lots of chat around the time he left about how he should be getting dropped because he was playing so poorly.

Rocky could absolutely fetch us £1m if he signs a new deal. Infact if he carries on as he is he could fetch us multiple millions.
10m according to LJ

He was bang on ! :greengrin

[Thatdayinmay16]

The year we finished fourth he made 5 appearances and 4 as a sub ?

He was sold to Watford for 450k a no risk no brainer petty cash to them thought he might have gone to a bigger club tbh

Has a decent record for Scotland 13 caps was outstanding versus Ukraine let himself down in Germany sent off and lucky not to be sent off in his latest appearance needs to calm down and find a club with a regular game

No big club would get the cheque book out and take a risk on the lad because of his unpredictability and erratic performances

Rocky has been decent for longer than six months can only think of two fatal errors last season can think of loads from Ryan even in his last game 0-3 in the Scottish Cup versus Hearts tried to be smart rather than clearing his lines tried to beat Ginelli ended up pulling him down free kick to Hearts outside the box goal ! 0-1 to Hearts at a time when we were dominating his parting gift to us :greengrin

If you want to start talking about games against Hearts when he made errors, I think you may want to discuss the fact there are two viral videos of Rocky Bushiri attempting to head the ball while proceeding to nutmeg himself or would you rather discuss the own goal he scored at Tynecastle? Or would you rather discuss the time he attempts to header the ball against Shankland which he misses which lets Shankland run in on goal and score a 90th minute winner?

Our rivals have sang the guys name for 3 years because of the absolute calamity of mistakes he's made against them, short memories though.

Rocky has been decent for 6 months, he was in and out of the team consistently and has only picked up since he scored the goal against Aberdeen.

If he had been better for longer, then there wouldn't have been genuine concern when we signed him from Norwich or why he was continuing to start games under the last 3 managers, your genuinely kidding yourself on at this point if you think he's been "decent" for longer than 6 months.

What you've written in bold is also a complete lie, we turned down offers from clubs in the summer before we sold in January because we knew if had kept him till his contract had ran out we would have received nothing and actually we had turned down offers in the previous summer as well.

[nonshinyfinish]

Couldn't we have Porto AND Rocky?

No thanks, I try to listen to both sides of any argument so this thread has me convinced that they're both s***e

[Thatdayinmay16]

Were folk bewildered? From how I remember it there was a general consensus that the deal suited everyone and it was best for him to leave as he was becoming a total liability. There was lots of chat around the time he left about how he should be getting dropped because he was playing so poorly.

Rocky could absolutely fetch us £1m if he signs a new deal. Infact if he carries on as he is he could fetch us multiple millions.

Did our previous CEO not mention at a club event that Rocky had text him asking why fans didn't like him and why he was receiving such high levels of criticism?

His own brother has been on social media for the last 3 years sticking up for him and blocking folk that criticise him, Rocky does the exact same.

[Northernhibee]

Did our previous CEO not mention at a club event that Rocky had text him asking why fans didn't like him and why he was receiving such high levels of criticism?

His own brother has been on social media for the last 3 years sticking up for him and blocking folk that criticise him, Rocky does the exact same.

Ryan got it easy from a lot of the support on account of him being a Hibby, his laddish demeanour (do I look happy and him laughing at Gerrard), and his performance ceiling being quite high when he was on top of his game.

[BILLYHIBS]

If you want to start talking about games against Hearts when he made errors, I think you may want to discuss the fact there are two viral videos of Rocky Bushiri attempting to head the ball while proceeding to nutmeg himself or would you rather discuss the own goal he scored at Tynecastle? Or would you rather discuss the time he attempts to header the ball against Shankland which he misses which lets Shankland run in on goal and score a 90th minute winner?

Our rivals have sang the guys name for 3 years because of the absolute calamity of mistakes he's made against them, short memories though.

Rocky has been decent for 6 months, he was in and out of the team consistently and has only picked up since he scored the goal against Aberdeen.

If he had been better for longer, then there wouldn't have been genuine concern when we signed him from Norwich or why he was continuing to start games under the last 3 managers, your genuinely kidding yourself on at this point if you think he's been "decent" for longer than 6 months.

What you've written in bold is also a complete lie, we turned down offers from clubs in the summer before we sold in January because we knew if had kept him till his contract had ran out we would have received nothing and actually we had turned down offers in the previous summer as well.
Cannae be arsed checking but did someone no post above that Rocky has won more games against Hearts in the last six months than Porto ever won against them and in less attempts too no doubt

I rest my case

Getting boring now :greengrin

Oh Rocky Bushiri! Oh Rocky Bushiri!

Edit:

Strange that Rocky has made 101 appearances for such a hopeless case he must be doing something right?

[Smartie]

There's no danger Ryan is coming back to Hibs.

Not yet.

He's still got ideas way above Hibs and tbf he should be able to scrape a few moderate to unsuccessful short term Championship and league one gigs yet.

I'd be surprised if he didn't play for Hibs again later in his career though - when there aren't any better offers on the table.

It's always been hard for me to equate his interviews - where he comes over well and seems a decent lad - with his actions relative to football, which always seem to suggest a monstrous ego that needs tamed.

It wouldn't surprise me in the least if he rejoined us in his late twenties / early thirties and we ended up getting the best football of his career out of him then, when he's matured.

[Hibbyradge]

No thanks, I try to listen to both sides of any argument so this thread has me convinced that they're both s***e

:faf:

:applause:

[Thatdayinmay16]

Cannae be arsed checking but did someone no post above that Rocky has won more games against Hearts in the last six months than Porto ever won against them and in less attempts too no doubt

I rest my case

Getting boring now :greengrin

Oh Rocky Bushiri! Oh Rocky Bushiri!

You taking Luke Chadwick in midfield over Gerrard then?

Results/Trophies don't win arguments over a footballers ability.

[Jock O]

I’m not sure what the point of bringing Rocky into it has been but there’s absolutely nothing wrong with people discussing the merits of a Watford/PNE player.

Other than the usual overexaggerated hyperbole to shout down someone who is probably still out of our reach

[Donegal Hibby]

Did our previous CEO not mention at a club event that Rocky had text him asking why fans didn't like him and why he was receiving such high levels of criticism?

His own brother has been on social media for the last 3 years sticking up for him and blocking folk that criticise him, Rocky does the exact same.

Sometimes the criticism of players like Rocky from fans is unfair and OTT which is also quite evident on another thread started after our first defeat in seventeen games .

I suppose some fans are just at their happiest when they have conjured up something to moan about . Rocky or Porto?
I’d prefer to have Rocky tbh . I don’t know where the Porto chat has come from but I highly doubt he’ll be coming back and have a feeling we will lose Rocky so it’s probably a pointless debate anyhow. Both are good players though.

[Hibs3-2]

heard a few saying that we were trying to get him on loan in Jan so theres defo some substance to this rumour IMO

[Paulie Walnuts]

Did our previous CEO not mention at a club event that Rocky had text him asking why fans didn't like him and why he was receiving such high levels of criticism?

His own brother has been on social media for the last 3 years sticking up for him and blocking folk that criticise him, Rocky does the exact same.

What’s that got to do with anything? :confused:

You say people were bewildered with the fee we got for Porteous. This thread just before he left shows people were more bewildered at the fact he was getting a game - https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?359862-Porteous&p=7161605#post7161605

[Jock O]

He played regularly and was regularly poor. There fans moaned about him all the time.

I think there is enough proof on here alone to know that fans are not the best judge of players, poor or otherwise.

I know a PNE fan who seem him in his first couple of games and thought he was just what they needed, then he got dropped. Not spoke to him since but in most cases like this, you have to hope the manager knows better than the fan!

[Forza Fred]

I'd take him, and I don't he would be choosing Aberdeen over his boyhood club. He's not good enough for the old firm. Like you say the problem was he was too big for his boots. He knows he is the best centre back we've produced in the last 25 years. I think he would flourish under Gray and start to show signs of maturity. Bring him back and a couple of good seasons he'll be 28 and still have the potential to move for big money.

Porteous is no stranger to Aberdeen, having been playing for them before joining Hibs Academy.

In fact he didn’t want to leave Aberdeen for Hibs, but was eventually persuaded by his Dad.

[BILLYHIBS]

You taking Luke Chadwick in midfield over Gerrard then?

Results/Trophies don't win arguments over a footballers ability.

Don’t even know who Luke Chadwick is ?

Is that the American guy on Kevin Bridges ?

https://i.ibb.co/N2z51PgN/IMG-3481.png (https://ibb.co/hFvbXjxd)

[Paulie Walnuts]

Other than the usual overexaggerated hyperbole to shout down someone who is probably still out of our reach

I’ve not seen much hyperbole from either side of the debate. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with people discussing whether Porteous would be a good signing or not and whether people rate him or not.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I think there is enough proof on here alone to know that fans are not the best judge of players, poor or otherwise.

I know a PNE fan who seem him in his first couple of games and thought he was just what they needed, then he got dropped. Not spoke to him since but in most cases like this, you have to hope the manager knows better than the fan!

He got loaned out from Watford and he’s been dropped at PNE so it’s clearly not just the fans thinking he’s been poor.

[HibbyAndy]

Porteous is no stranger to Aberdeen, having been playing for them before joining Hibs Academy.

In fact he didn’t want to leave Aberdeen for Hibs, but was eventually persuaded by his Dad.



Boyhood hibs fan didn't want to leave Aberdeen for Hibs ? Find that hard to believe