Goalkeeper

[Pretty Boy]

A position that needs addressed, again, this summer.

Discuss.

[HFCbingo]

Agree.

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

This, he's made far too many mistakes for me, been really disappointed with him.

[JohnM1875]

Without a doubt.

His distribution was class at first but even that is **** now. Slow around the box and slow to get down to shots. He's done.

[oneone73]

Agree.

Also agree. Said as much after the New Year derby.

[CL0762]

Yup.

Said it on the way home, Marshall saves shots I’d expect a keeper of his calibre to make.

Other than that, not been good enough.

[Nicho87]

If he had a false moustache and surname called macey he’d be hounded out a couple of months back.

Great signing but sadly 3 years past his best.

Can do a lot worse but do agree feel he’s on the decline

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

Totally, not been impressed by Marshal. Distribution was excellent early season but not convinced lately and not just because he had a shocker of a game tonight.

[LaMotta]

Also made an absolutely world class save. The rest not good enough though.

[raeburnhibs]

Yup.

Said it on the way home, Marshall saves shots I’d expect a keeper of his calibre to make.

Other than that, not been good enough.

yes, the point blank reaction save first half was run of the mill right enough; it was outstanding, I was right in line with it, it came quick. Before a new keeper, we need, as a priority a good right back cause Cadden aint it, and a replacement for Henderson

[hibee_girl]

We had just been saying he looked a bit suspect tonight then the third goal happened.

[CL0762]

yes, the point blank reaction save first half was run of the mill right enough; it was outstanding, I was right in line with it, it came quick. Before a new keeper, we need, as a priority a good right back cause Cadden aint it, and a replacement for Henderson

It was right in front of him with the angle narrowed, hardly save of the season material.

[Smartie]

A position that needs addressed, again, this summer.

Discuss.

I’m open minded to the idea of replacing him and now there’s a bit of criticism coming his way I’ll watch him closer through to the end of the season.

I’d like to think that there would be a natural progression where he phases out and Johnson emerges over the next few years.

Still not convinced it’s where I’d be starting the rebuild though.

[bingo70]

A position that needs addressed, again, this summer.

Discuss.

For someone of his age we should be looking at progression planning regardless of how well he is playing this season.

The fact he’s got a mistake in him and he’s not making the saves we would like means it should be a no brainer to sign a new younger model.

I do think his save in the first half deserves a huge amount of credit though, was an incredible save.

[chrisski33]

Think hes had his day sadly

[raeburnhibs]

It was right in front of him with the angle narrowed, hardly save of the season material.

aye okay then, you know best, fair play

[gaz1875]

He was a big part in the shambolic display, I don't know how manty times he chose the wrong option with his distribution. Part of the reason we could barley get out our own half. Macey was never as bad as Marshal has been.

[Greenio]

Really?

Made a mistake tonight with a misplaced clearance

But can't think of other times when he's had a poor performance.

Get's a bit like this when we lose eh, suddenly everyone has always been pap and needs punted asap

[JimBHibees]

Was poor tonight however has generally been a decent signing imo. Still do a job for us.

[JimBHibees]

Really?

Made a mistake tonight with a misplaced clearance

But can't think of other times when he's had a poor performance.

Get's a bit like this when we lose eh, suddenly everyone has always been pap and needs punted asap

Yep agree can't remember too many games like tonight

[JimBHibees]

He was a big part in the shambolic display, I don't know how manty times he chose the wrong option with his distribution. Part of the reason we could barley get out our own half. Macey was never as bad as Marshal has been.

Yes he was

[Brightside]

A position that needs addressed, again, this summer.

Discuss.

He gets an easy pass from a lot of fans. Personally he’s very overrated

[CallumLaidlaw]

He was a big part in the shambolic display, I don't know how manty times he chose the wrong option with his distribution. Part of the reason we could barley get out our own half. Macey was never as bad as Marshal has been.

You’re right. He wasn’t as bad. He was worse.


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[Pretty Boy]

Really?

Made a mistake tonight with a misplaced clearance

But can't think of other times when he's had a poor performance.

Get's a bit like this when we lose eh, suddenly everyone has always been pap and needs punted asap

Cost us a goal at Celtic Park. Shocking starting position for the 3rd goals in both the home and away derbies recently then that performance tonight.

He's not terrible but at his age and a few mistakes creeping in I'd be looking at bringing in proper competition for the gloves next season. Let Johnson go away and play for the year.

[gaz1875]

Yes he was

No he wasn't.

[gaz1875]

You’re right. He wasn’t as bad. He was worse.


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Utter rubbish, rarely made a mistake but blamed for plenty.

[Onceinawhile]

Have thought he needed replaced since about November.

Save % is in the 50s. Quite comfortably amongst the worst in the league.

[Pretty Boy]

Have thought he needed replaced since about November.

Save % is in the 50s. Quite comfortably amongst the worst in the league.

I think there is a touch of the Joe Lewis about him now.

Not making huge amounts of glaring errors but a save % rate that suggests they just aren't making the saves they once would have.

[cameronw-hfc]

Yep agree can't remember too many games like tonight

Questionable goals in the Celtic game away, both derbies, this Rangers one, Livi one last week some though he could have done better, that's just off the top of my head. He also saves less shots per shot than anyone else in the league.

I was buzzing about signing Marshall, and I really expected him to be our Gordon, but he doesn't seem to save much. The one save tonight from point blank was a good save, great maybe, but I can't think of many other times he's done that.

Whereas with someone like Marciano, I can picture 4/5 brilliant saves off the top of my head. Marshall is better than Macey, but nowhere near the level of Rocky anymore. 2/3 years ago yes, but he's not that keeper anymore unfortunately.

[Stevie Reid]

Definitely not my top priority. Been criticised a lot for not making saves this season (not something I agree with, hasn’t conceded a load of soft goals) but largely praise for his footwork and distribution.

Tonight he made an absolutely superb save he had little right to make, and yet put us in danger numerous times - eventually costing us a goal - with his poor kicking and throws.

Also spilled a straightforward shot late on, and did get away with dropping a cross in the first half, but was an awkward one to deal with and probably the right call to come for it, given how it panned out.

Just a bad night for me, rather than a keeper whose in a terminal decline. Given the work that we’ll need to do with the squad in the summer, it won’t be cheap - and a really good replacement for Marshall would come at a real cost.

Hope for another season or two, whilst making the transition to Murray Johnston would the best plan at the moment, I think.

[ancient hibee]

In the first half he kept kicking it long to Hoppe so the ball just came back but when the subs came on he kept playing it short and the ball took forever to reach them.

[Frazerbob]

Made a mistake tonight (every keeper in the world makes mistakes) and some poor distribution (hardly the only one guilty if that tonight) but made a cracking save first half. He’s done very well for us since signing, glad to have him.

[bingo70]

I think there is a touch of the Joe Lewis about him now.

Not making huge amounts of glaring errors but a save % rate that suggests they just aren't making the saves they once would have.

PB I’m surprised you’re giving any weight to the save % stat thing.

I hate that stat as it means very little, you’re essentially criticising a goalie for getting his starting positions right but praising goalies for getting things wrong and having to recover.

I do get that there’s a lot of exceptions to that but the whole idea a goalie can be judged at all by stats like shot % really annoys me.

[JimBHibees]

Made a mistake tonight (every keeper in the world makes mistakes) and some poor distribution (hardly the only one guilty if that tonight) but made a cracking save first half. He’s done very well for us since signing, glad to have him.

Totally agree

[cameronw-hfc]

Made a mistake tonight (every keeper in the world makes mistakes) and some poor distribution (hardly the only one guilty if that tonight) but made a cracking save first half. He’s done very well for us since signing, glad to have him.

Has he though? Or do people just keep saying it because any criticism has been shot down recently? He seems to be at fault more and more often for goals.

[007]

Have thought he needed replaced since about November.

Save % is in the 50s. Quite comfortably amongst the worst in the league.

Save %age only tells a small part of the story. The stats people should do a goalkeeper's equivalent of xG and calculate expected saves (xS).

[Frazerbob]

I think there is a touch of the Joe Lewis about him now.

Not making huge amounts of glaring errors but a save % rate that suggests they just aren't making the saves they once would have.

Joe Lewis is an awful keeper. His blunder rate is akin to Henry Smith. To compare Marshall to him is ridiculous in my opinion.

[Frazerbob]

Has he though? Or do people just keep saying it because any criticism has been shot down recently? He seems to be at fault more and more often for goals.

Yes he has. Mistake at Parkhead and tonight. Can’t recall any other shockers off the top of my head. Neither ended up costing us points ultimately.

[JohnM1875]

Yes he has. Mistake at Parkhead and tonight. Can’t recall any other shockers off the top of my head. Neither ended up costing us points ultimately.

Not having any other shockers doesn't mean he's done 'very well' for us though, surely?

He's well past his best and I'd be replacing him if we have the budget for it next season.

[cameronw-hfc]

Yes he has. Mistake at Parkhead and tonight. Can’t recall any other shockers off the top of my head. Neither ended up costing us points ultimately.

Hearts home and away he was at the least questionable.

[Pretty Boy]

PB I’m surprised you’re giving any weight to the save % stat thing.

I hate that stat as it means very little, you’re essentially criticising a goalie for getting his starting positions right but praising goalies for getting things wrong and having to recover.

I do get that there’s a lot of exceptions to that but the whole idea a goalie can be judged at all by stats like shot % really annoys me.

It's not perfect but it's not totally useless either. Keepers still have to make saves even when their starting position is good or their positioning is right.

It can be deceptive of course, Lloris under AVB at Spurs springs to mind but it's not just the stats. He just looks edgy. Hesitant coming for the ball, flappy under crosses and just generally a bit uncomfortable looking. It's quite a contrast to how comfortable he looked a few months back. Maybe it's just another player who can't beat father time.

[cameronw-hfc]

PB I’m surprised you’re giving any weight to the save % stat thing.

I hate that stat as it means very little, you’re essentially criticising a goalie for getting his starting positions right but praising goalies for getting things wrong and having to recover.

I do get that there’s a lot of exceptions to that but the whole idea a goalie can be judged at all by stats like shot % really annoys me.


Its not a useless stat. Its not perfect, but a keeper being one of, if no the lowest save %, in the league, as well as making a good few mistakes, can be a good indication that things aren't quite right.

Someone added context to the stat with expected goals, think it was JD, basically shutting down the "he could have faced better chances". He ranked worse than Macey if I remember for XG vs save %. He was negative, meaning he's let in more than he should based on the chances he's faced.

[Shrekko]

Macey did very little wrong, was good all round and excellent on 1 on 1’s but he wasn’t good enough from the start for some reason.

Marshall on the other hand comes for nothing, has the lowest save percentage in the league and gets his name sung by the fans every week.

Mental.

[bingo70]

It's not perfect but it's not totally useless either. Keepers still have to make saves even when their starting position is good or their positioning is right.

It can be deceptive of course, Lloris under AVB at Spurs springs to mind but it's not just the stats. He just looks edgy. Hesitant coming for the ball, flappy under crosses and just generally a bit uncomfortable looking. It's quite a contrast to how comfortable he looked a few months back. Maybe it's just another player who can't beat father time.

Fair enough PB, can’t argue with that. The % stats thing just gets on my wick a wee bit as it’s used a lot of the time by people who don’t know the position and taken out of context.

Out of curiosity, what was the Lloris stat under AVB? I’ve never heard of that before.

[He's here!]

Surprised by this thread. Marshall's been a very good signing IMHO. Second only to Boyle.

[RIP]

Surprised by this thread. Marshall's been a very good signing IMHO. Second only to Boyle.

I'm not surprised. We were beaten by a team who are a very determined, one touch, hard tackling and fast flowing outfit. They forced errors from us in every area of the pitch.

Those of us who've been around this board a long time fully expect a few Hibs players to get slaughtered on here. Marshall had a stinker, so needs to pull his socks up sharpish

[Iain G]

Has he though? Or do people just keep saying it because any criticism has been shot down recently? He seems to be at fault more and more often for goals.

Just to point out we had only let in 2 goals in 7 games prior to the game tonight, one of which involved him being bundled into the back of the net!

[Donegal Hibby]

Just to point out we had only let in 2 goals in 7 games prior to the game tonight, one of which involved him being bundled into the back of the net!
Which has lead to a few good points , which you normally make too 👍😉

[PHeffernan]

His errors have come in games where we have been horsed so he hasn't cost us any points. Has a contract until the end of next season which will be the perfect time to make the change.

Probably better concentrating on getting ourselves a right back that can defend this summer so that he can play against the OF to stop us getting hosed.

[Vault Boy]

Whatever happens with Marsh’s form between now and the end of the season, I think we need competition in an age bracket between him and Murray Johnson. There’s a 20-year age gap between our current goalies, so ideally we can find someone that splits the difference.

[Big_Franck]

Needs replaced in the summer. Like many I was delighted with the signing and he did ok initially. He's clearly on the decline though and he's nowhere near the levels he was at even 2/3 years ago.

[JimBHibees]

Just to point out we had only let in 2 goals in 7 games prior to the game tonight, one of which involved him being bundled into the back of the net!

Indeed

[hibsbollah]

The biggest change in him is the quality of his distribution. When he arrived it was such a welcome change to see a Hibs keeper pinging it out to wide areas on the players toes, he even had a nice side volley on him. That seems to have deserted him.

On his positioning, we could see early doors that he was a stay on his line at all costs kind of keeper, and that’s not necessarily a terrible thing, but that’s starting to cost us now too, he just doesn’t seem to have confidence in his ability to judge when he can reach a through ball, so he doesn’t try. That leaves us exposed when we’re playing a high line and we need a rapid centre back to cover him.

A wee bit of a concern now.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Said it for ages. He’s been poor this season.

I’d be looking to get someone else in in the summer. Oh how we could do with Marciano back.

[brydekirk]

What about Bain from Celtic,can't see him playing for them anytime soon.

[superfurryhibby]

Said it for ages. He’s been poor this season.

I’d be looking to get someone else in in the summer. Oh how we could do with Marciano back.

Wonder if Rocky’s getting tired of warming up the bench?

Marshall is looking past it. He makes very few saves, is poor with crosses and doesn’t inspire confidence at all.

[Iain G]

Said it for ages. He’s been poor this season.

I’d be looking to get someone else in in the summer. Oh how we could do with Marciano back.

Rocky wasn't any better than Marshall. Oh how we could do with Alan Rough back.

[LaMotta]

If we had twitter, fans forums and every match being televised in the 80s and 90s, then there would be similar threads like this about Goram and Leighton following some of their poor games.

The truth is every goalkeeper makes howlers.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Rocky wasn't any better than Marshall. Oh how we could do with Alan Rough back.

Rocky was considerably better than Marshall overall imo.

[Hibernian Verse]

Rocky was considerably better than Marshall overall imo.

His distribution was terrible though.

[overdrive]

His errors have come in games where we have been horsed so he hasn't cost us any points. Has a contract until the end of next season which will be the perfect time to make the change.

Probably better concentrating on getting ourselves a right back that can defend this summer so that he can play against the OF to stop us getting hosed.

Ideally we would get someone in to challenge him with a view to taking over. The issue with that though is we did that with Macey and given he couldn’t dislodge Marciano, when Marciano left there was a perception that Macey wasn’t as good. I don’t think he was anywhere as good but I don’t think he was as bad as some made out.

You probably wouldn’t get that if it was Johnson challenging and taking over as he would get a degree of leeway being homegrown.

[Since452]

I've never really thought of our keeper being the problem area. Didn't have the best of games but nobody did.

[Frazerbob]

Not having any other shockers doesn't mean he's done 'very well' for us though, surely?

He's well past his best and I'd be replacing him if we have the budget for it next season.

You are correct, that doesn't mean he's done very well but he has none the less. Is he past his best? Of course he is. So were Jim Leighton, Alan Rough and Budgie when they played for us. Is he as good as we will get with our budget tho? I do agree that we need some proper competition though, with a view to replacing him over the next couple of years. I find it odd that this has come up after last night yet no mention over the previous 6 or 7 games when the defence as hole has been excellent. Actually, I don't.

[The Harp Awakes]

Made a mistake tonight (every keeper in the world makes mistakes) and some poor distribution (hardly the only one guilty if that tonight) but made a cracking save first half. He’s done very well for us since signing, glad to have him.

Agreed, didn't have a great game last night but the least of our problems. The right hand side of our team and midfield need urgent surgery.

[Greenbeard]

Definitely not my top priority. Been criticised a lot for not making saves this season (not something I agree with, hasn’t conceded a load of soft goals) but largely praise for his footwork and distribution.

Tonight he made an absolutely superb save he had little right to make, and yet put us in danger numerous times - eventually costing us a goal - with his poor kicking and throws.

Also spilled a straightforward shot late on, and did get away with dropping a cross in the first half, but was an awkward one to deal with and probably the right call to come for it, given how it panned out.

Just a bad night for me, rather than a keeper whose in a terminal decline. Given the work that we’ll need to do with the squad in the summer, it won’t be cheap - and a really good replacement for Marshall would come at a real cost.

Hope for another season or two, whilst making the transition to Murray Johnston would the best plan at the moment, I think.
That's where I am.
He wasn't the only one to struggle with distribution last night. Everyone did. Pains me to say it but credit to them for closing down options.

[MrRobot]

Really?

Made a mistake tonight with a misplaced clearance

But can't think of other times when he's had a poor performance.

Get's a bit like this when we lose eh, suddenly everyone has always been pap and needs punted asap

Nah tbh man, i’m usually the last to jump on a players back but he has been mostly average this season.

His distribution is by far better than Marciano and Macey, but his save record is extremely poor. It was at one point and may still be the worst save ratio in the league.

Marshall has been excellent keeper in his day and looked good at first for us but i think he has been letting us down with some of the goals he’s been conceding for a while now.

I think we need to look to recruit someone to put in serious competition for the number 1 spot.

[Pretty Boy]

You are correct, that doesn't mean he's done very well but he has none the less. Is he past his best? Of course he is. So were Jim Leighton, Alan Rough and Budgie when they played for us. Is he as good as we will get with our budget tho? I do agree that we need some proper competition though, with a view to replacing him over the next couple of years. I find it odd that this has come up after last night yet no mention over the previous 6 or 7 games when the defence as hole has been excellent. Actually, I don't.

I started this thread and have been very vocal in my praise of the defensive unit in recent weeks so I find it odd you would suggest otherwise. Or maybe I don't.

There's really no good time to start such a thread. Do it after a win and the response is 'why can't anyone just enjoy the win, have to find something to be negative about'. Do it after a defeat and it's 'knee jerk, reactionary, just waiting on a chance to have a go.'

[Hibees1973]

Just my opinion but he seems a bit over confident and casual at times.

Obviously a very good goalkeeper. He has played at bigger clubs than us but needs to show a bit more application and concentration. When he joined us I would have expected him to be at his best in games such as last night and never to give away a bad goal.

He is into the autumn of his career and he could learn a lot from Craig Gordon over the road who has been totally professional and committed and managed to prolong his career.

No reason Marshall should not be be our goalkeeper for the next 2 -3 years, but maybe just having a bit of a dip.

[MWHIBBIES]

Rocky wasn't any better than Marshall. Oh how we could do with Alan Rough back.

Rocky was absolutely brilliant for Hibs.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Rocky was absolutely brilliant for Hibs.

:agree:

Best keeper I’ve seen at Hibs and probably by a distance.

[TheHibernator]

Have thought he needed replaced since about November.

Save % is in the 50s. Quite comfortably amongst the worst in the league.

It is THE worst in the league.

[blackpoolhibs]

Just my opinion but he seems a bit over confident and casual at times.

Obviously a very good goalkeeper. He has played at bigger clubs than us but needs to show a bit more application and concentration. When he joined us I would have expected him to be at his best in games such as last night and never to give away a bad goal.

He is into the autumn of his career and he could learn a lot from Craig Gordon over the road who has been totally professional and committed and managed to prolong his career.

No reason Marshall should not be be our goalkeeper for the next 2 -3 years, but maybe just having a bit of a dip.

My thoughts exactly, perhaps someone pushing him a bit is needed as the young lad is never getting a game while Marshall is fit.

[Iain G]

:agree:

Best keeper I’ve seen at Hibs and probably by a distance.

Another one of those who gets better the longer they aren't here anymore.

Marshall is a better all round keeper than Rocky, who was a spectacular shot stopper, couldn't command his area and couldn't kick for toffee.

He wasn't even best keeper at the club for a while, we should have kept Bogdan.

[Frazerbob]

I started this thread and have been very vocal in my praise of the defensive unit in recent weeks so I find it odd you would suggest otherwise. Or maybe I don't.

There's really no good time to start such a thread. Do it after a win and the response is 'why can't anyone just enjoy the win, have to find something to be negative about'. Do it after a defeat and it's 'knee jerk, reactionary, just waiting on a chance to have a go.'

I've no idea of your posting history on the defence so only reacting to this thread. (mostly read on my phone so don't usually notice who posters are). We're all entitled to an opinion and, as evident from the replies, many agree with you. I don't, that's all.

[Frazerbob]

Another one of those who gets better the longer they aren't here anymore.

Marshall is a better all round keeper than Rocky, who was a spectacular shot stopper, couldn't command his area and couldn't kick for toffee.

He wasn't even best keeper at the club for a while, we should have kept Bogdan.

Totally agree. I liked Rocky and compared to some of our recent keepers, he was up with the best. Marshall is superior though.

[zitelli62]

Bring back rocky.

[Iain G]

Bring back rocky.

Would he get in ahead of Fish or Hanlon though? :wink:

[Paulie Walnuts]

Another one of those who gets better the longer they aren't here anymore.

Marshall is a better all round keeper than Rocky, who was a spectacular shot stopper, couldn't command his area and couldn't kick for toffee.

He wasn't even best keeper at the club for a while, we should have kept Bogdan.

Not at all. He got a move to a big European club for a reason. Certainly not someone that gets better the longer he’s away, he was a cracking goalkeeper who plenty of us recognised as being a cracking goalkeeper at the time.

Rocky was a much better shot stopper than Marshall, Marshall has better distribution, neither are stand outs at commanding their box. I know what I’d prefer my goalie to be good at out of those though.

Marshall has been at fault to varying degrees of numerous goals this season, more often than not in the big games. Errors in two derbies, Rangers and Celtic games.

[JohnM1875]

Not at all. He got a move to a big European club for a reason. Certainly not someone that gets better the longer he’s away, he was a cracking goalkeeper.

Rocky was a much better shot stopper than Marshall, Marshall has better distribution, neither are stand outs at commanding their box. I know what I’d prefer my goalie to be good at out of those.

Marciano for Hibs was a far far better goalkeeper than Marshall is for Hibs. Not even close in my opinion. Aye Marshall has had the much better career, no doubt about that. But he's past his best now.

I like Marshall, don't doubt he's a great guy to have around the squad and the signing made sense. But we need a better keeper next season in my opinion.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Marciano for Hibs was a far far better goalkeeper than Marshall is for Hibs. Not even close in my opinion. Aye Marshall has had the much better career, no doubt about that. But he's past his best now.

I like Marshall, don't doubt he's a great guy to have around the squad and the signing made sense. But we need a better keeper next season in my opinion.

:agree:

[Onceinawhile]

Save %age only tells a small part of the story. The stats people should do a goalkeeper's equivalent of xG and calculate expected saves (xS).

Do you have a note of these? I'd be interested to see how he's performing compared to them.

[Hibs3-2]

He was like a breath of fresh air when he first arrived and a well worthy captain. Vocal, good distribution and generally solid. Over the past few weeks/months though he hasnt been anywhere near that level - which also ties in with the rumours of him wanting away in the summer

[Silky]

Just to point out we had only let in 2 goals in 7 games prior to the game tonight, one of which involved him being bundled into the back of the net!

:agree: Marsh has made mistakes, christ, the entire side have this season. What I find interesting is that the defence get the praise for only losing the 2 goals in 7, yet when the goals start going in, it's Marshall who is not good enough/too old etc. You get taught at a young age to defend from the front. Marsh is the last line and, too often this season, has been exposed by those infront of him-be it slack marking, not tracking runners or whatever. Yes, his positioning was a bit questionable for Sibbick's goal at ER, but that break should never have been allowed to happen-yet the mistakes and downright slackness which led to that are completely overlooked in order to blame Marsh for the goal. Maybe we need to look at why teams are getting into the positions to shoot at him in the first place!

[eastmainsmsh]

Bogdan was very good 👍 think he is 2nd choice at ferencvaros

[silverhibee]

He was a big part in the shambolic display, I don't know how manty times he chose the wrong option with his distribution. Part of the reason we could barley get out our own half. Macey was never as bad as Marshal has been.

If any player can slow the game down a bit then it’s the keeper, but he continued to throw kick the ball out at the quickest opportunity which just kept putting us under pressure, rangers just scooped up everything he distributed and it was like wave after wave of attack, as soon as we scored LJ should have been screaming at him to calm down and take his time but he just continued to make the same mistakes over and over again.

Yeah he had a good save but for such an experienced goalkeeper that was a shocker from him last night.

[JohnM1875]

:agree: Marsh has made mistakes, christ, the entire side have this season. What I find interesting is that the defence get the praise for only losing the 2 goals in 7, yet when the goals start going in, it's Marshall who is not good enough/too old etc. You get taught at a young age to defend from the front. Marsh is the last line and, too often this season, has been exposed by those infront of him-be it slack marking, not tracking runners or whatever. Yes, his positioning was a bit questionable for Sibbick's goal at ER, but that break should never have been allowed to happen-yet the mistakes and downright slackness which led to that are completely overlooked in order to blame Marsh for the goal. Maybe we need to look at why teams are getting into the positions to shoot at him in the first place!

Think the reason the defence gets so much credit is Marshall only had to face nine shots on target in the five games since the cup loss. Of the nine faced two have resulted in goals. Fair enough the Ross County goal shouldn't have stood, joke of a decision.

[The_Exile]

We've got his replacement sitting on the bench.

[Since452]

Rocky was, on the whole, a good keeper but still lost his place two or three times due to mistakes and poor form. It happens.

[He's here!]

Needs replaced in the summer. Like many I was delighted with the signing and he did ok initially. He's clearly on the decline though and he's nowhere near the levels he was at even 2/3 years ago.

I find this hard to understand. From being delighted with the signing to reckoning he's clearly on the decline just a few months later? Sure, he's in the final years of his playing career but for a keeper who stays in shape you can play at a good level for a few years longer than most outfield players. I'm just not seeing this seemingly obvious decline. I think of him as a pretty solid keeper with no particular weaknesses.

[MWHIBBIES]

Another one of those who gets better the longer they aren't here anymore.

Marshall is a better all round keeper than Rocky, who was a spectacular shot stopper, couldn't command his area and couldn't kick for toffee.

He wasn't even best keeper at the club for a while, we should have kept Bogdan.

Na, rocky was excellent here. There's a reason hes playing at a much higher level now.

[Onceinawhile]

Na, rocky was excellent here. There's a reason hes playing at a much higher level now.

He's only played for feyenoord 12 times in nearly two full seasons tbf.

I agree with the shout that he was better for us, but Marshall has had the better career.

Also agree that without a decent number 2, Marshall is probably resting on his laurels a wee bit.

[Iain G]

Na, rocky was excellent here. There's a reason hes playing at a much higher level now.

He isn't playing anywhere at the moment!

Maybe he just scrapes into my top 10 Hibs keepers of the last 30 years :wink:

[gaz1875]

If any player can slow the game down a bit then it’s the keeper, but he continued to throw kick the ball out at the quickest opportunity which just kept putting us under pressure, rangers just scooped up everything he distributed and it was like wave after wave of attack, as soon as we scored LJ should have been screaming at him to calm down and take his time but he just continued to make the same mistakes over and over again.

Yeah he had a good save but for such an experienced goalkeeper that was a shocker from him last night.

Spot on. He also should have played it long giving the team a chance to regroup avoiding the press. It seemed like he was giving it to players that were marked when others were looking for it that were unmarked, then he would punt it upfield to no one.

[ancient hibee]

Spot on. He also should have played it long giving the team a chance to regroup avoiding the press. It seemed like he was giving it to players that were marked when others were looking for it that were unmarked, then he would punt it upfield to no one.

Trouble was that when he played it long Hoppe couldn’t do anything with it because he’s very poor at that part of forward play.When he played it short they were panicking because of the press from Rangers.I see LJ is commenting on the lack of composure. Spot on.

[BILLYHIBS]

He isn't playing anywhere at the moment!

Maybe he just scrapes into my top 10 Hibs keepers of the last 30 years :wink:

Agree

[maturehibby]

Walker killie goalie is one I think we should consider

[Donegal Hibby]

Walker killie goalie is one I think we should consider
Haven't seen to much of him I have to admit though I'd doubt he's as good as Marshall , thought Inverness caley Thistle's 2nd goal he was badly at fault with it too.

[Just_Jimmy]

Rocky was absolutely brilliant for Hibs.I was banging that drum when he was at hibs and people wanted him dropped for Chris Maxwell or whatever generic ***** was there at the time.

We should have been doing everything we could to keep him. He's probably earning much more than we could offer but he also was worth much more than some of the dross we've chucked big money at in recent years.

In addition to that he was a good guy.

Bogdan was also a good keeper.

We've really had a lot of poor goalkeepers over the years. I don't know why we struggle so badly in that position

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[HFC17]

Rocky was absolutely brilliant for Hibs.

Totally Agree

[Since452]

I was banging that drum when he was at hibs and people wanted him dropped for Chris Maxwell or whatever generic ***** was there at the time.

We should have been doing everything we could to keep him. He's probably earning much more than we could offer but he also was worth much more than some of the dross we've chucked big money at in recent years.

In addition to that he was a good guy.

Bogdan was also a good keeper.

We've really had a lot of poor goalkeepers over the years. I don't know why we struggle so badly in that position

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He did get dropped for Chris Maxwell. The manager agreed with a lot of fans. Also got dropped for Bogdan and Macey. On his day he was better than all of them but he was prone to poor form and mistakes. His distribution was horrible and he always seemed to take an age to do anything with the ball. Brilliant shot stopper though.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

Always felt Bogdan was better than rocky

[cameronw-hfc]

He did get dropped for Chris Maxwell. The manager agreed with a lot of fans. Also got dropped for Bogdan and Macey. On his day he was better than all of them but he was prone to poor form and mistakes. His distribution was horrible and he always seemed to take an age to do anything with the ball. Brilliant shot stopper though.


Rocky was also here for about 5 years. There's bound to be dips in form when you have such a large sample size.

Overall, Rocky is the best shot stopper we have had in quite some time. He would regularly win you games with ridiculous saves, something our current keeper doesn't do despite being more well rounded.

Marshall has had a better career, but right now, id take rocky back in a heart beat. I think his shot stopping made up for any poor kicking etc

[MWHIBBIES]

He did get dropped for Chris Maxwell. The manager agreed with a lot of fans. Also got dropped for Bogdan and Macey. On his day he was better than all of them but he was prone to poor form and mistakes. His distribution was horrible and he always seemed to take an age to do anything with the ball. Brilliant shot stopper though.

When was he dropped for Macey?

He also was injured when Bogdan joined. We probably don't even sign him had Rocky been fit.

Maxwell was mince. Dropping rocky for him was a mistake.

[BILLYHIBS]

Remember Lenny tearing his hair out because Rocky kept booting the ball out of play at Tiny in the play off

Saving the ball from Christie at Hamdump when it was already in the pokey

Getting beat at his near post by Freddo at Easter Road

Getting sent off at St Johnstone

Getting beat at his near post at Easter Road again by O’Halloran

Throwing one in the net at Easter Road against the Hun by passing to a blue jersey

Guy was a brilliant instinctive keeper with fifty pence feet with always a calamity in his locker

I don’t think any hibs defence trusted him

Hasn’t kicked a ba for Feyenoord this season do not know if he is injured out on loan or has been found out

[cameronw-hfc]

Remember Lenny tearing his hair out because Rocky kept booting the ball out of play at Tiny in the play off

Saving the ball from Christie at Hamdump when it was already in the pokey

Getting beat at his near post by Freddo at Easter Road

Getting sent off at St Johnstone

Getting beat at his near post at Easter Road again by O’Halloran

Throwing one in the net at Easter Road against the Hun by passing to a blue jersey

Guy was a brilliant instinctive keeper with fifty pence feet with always a calamity in his locker

I don’t think any hibs defence trusted him

Hasn’t kicked a ba for Feyenoord this season do not know if he is injured out on loan or has been found out

I don't remember the O'halloran one but surely you're Job not using getting beat at his near post as a mistake? That's something that's been debunked by many, many keepers. The near post myth is a load of crap tbh

[cameronw-hfc]

Walker killie goalie is one I think we should consider

Not for me. Think hes absolutely murder, sure the Killie fans are only just starting to come round to him as well and if he's barely good enough for them he's definitely not good enough for us.

[BILLYHIBS]

I don't remember the O'halloran one but surely you're Job not using getting beat at his near post as a mistake? That's something that's been debunked by many, many keepers. The near post myth is a load of crap tbh

O’Halloran was for St Johnstone

Christie one was from a free kick out left beat Rocky at his near post

So it is his job to set up the wall and why was he standing at the back post leaving a huge gap?

Christie could not believe his luck

The ball was in the net before Rocky could get across

Just you keep thinking he was one of the greats

Not a patch on Goram Simpson Roughie and Leighton

[B.H.F.C]

O’Halloran was for St Johnstone

Christie one was from a free kick out left beat Rocky at his near post

So it is his job to set up the wall and why was he standing at the back post leaving a huge gap?

Christie could not believe his luck

The ball was in the net before Rocky could get across

Just you keep thinking he was one of the greats

Not a patch on Goram Simpson Roughie and Leighton

Probably wouldn’t class him as a great. But I don’t think there have been ten better than him has mentioned further up the thread. And he’s be very close to the top of any list over that period of time.

[cameronw-hfc]

O’Halloran was for St Johnstone

Christie one was from a free kick out left beat Rocky at his near post

So it is his job to set up the wall and why was he standing at the back post leaving a huge gap?

Christie could not believe his luck

The ball was in the net before Rocky could get across

Just you keep thinking he was one of the greats

Not a patch on Goram Simpson Roughie and Leighton


He's easily the best in my lifetime, and in fairness I don't specifically remember the goals you've mentioned, just describing a mistake as "beat as his near post" is a bit off considering there's a lot of near post shots that aren't the keepers fault. Rocky made mistakes, but as I've said, his sample size is a lot larger than most, so he would have some in there.

As a pure shot stopper, a lot of the older heads I know have said he's right up there with the best they've seen at the club.

[BILLYHIBS]

Probably wouldn’t class him as a great. But I don’t think there have been ten better than him has mentioned further up the thread. And he’s be very close to the top of any list over that period of time.

Just off the top of my head

Budgie
Logan
Williams
Marshall
Bogdan
Andersson
Stack
Goram
Leighton
Bell
Caig
Colgan

[BILLYHIBS]

He's easily the best in my lifetime, and in fairness I don't specifically remember the goals you've mentioned, just describing a mistake as "beat as his near post" is a bit off considering there's a lot of near post shots that aren't the keepers fault. Rocky made mistakes, but as I've said, his sample size is a lot larger than most, so he would have some in there.

As a pure shot stopper, a lot of the older heads I know have said he's right up there with the best they've seen at the club.
Check YouTube they are there for you to see

Not making anything up

I have already said he was a brilliant instinctive shot stopper

I get it I am older than you so your sample size is your lifetime and smaller than mine

Maybe we should leave it at that

Unfair to include the brilliance of Leighton Goram and Rough

[B.H.F.C]

Just off the top of my head

Budgie
Logan
Williams
Marshall
Bogdan
Andersson
Stack
Goram
Leighton
Caig

Leighton, I’ll give you. Andersson was a good goalie. Budgie was Budgie.

Rocky a better keeper for us than the remainder, especially Caig! Goram not in last 30 years either.

[cameronw-hfc]

Check YouTube they are there for you to see

Not making anything up

I have already said he was a brilliant instinctive shot stopper

I get it I am older than you so your sample size is your lifetime and smaller than mine

Maybe we should leave it at that

Unfair to include the brilliance of Leighton Goram and Rough

I just think you're doing rocky a massive disservice Williams and stack better than him? Cmon.

Also, Logan was shakey in quite a few games besides the SC ones for us. He isn't in the same league as Rocky. Bigger legend for what he done for the club, but as a keeper, he's miles off rocky

[stantonhibby]

Just off the top of my head

Budgie
Logan
Williams
Marshall
Bogdan
Andersson
Stack
Goram
Leighton
Bell
Caig
Colgan

Caig....lol

[Smartie]

I wasn't as convinced by Rocky as some. He was certainly a good goalkeeper but he was far from perfect, and lost his place a few times.

[BILLYHIBS]

Caig....lol

😀

Played for The Toon man !

[BILLYHIBS]

Near post smear post

55 seconds into this clip

https://youtu.be/rGS9jOFVqSk

Just like to point out guys I have not touched a drop all day just gets my back up when folks on here talk up Rocky as being great he was ok I personally thought he was a disaster just imho of course

He is gone now anyway

[Paulie Walnuts]

Just off the top of my head

Budgie
Logan
Williams
Marshall
Bogdan
Andersson
Stack
Goram
Leighton
Bell
Caig
Colgan

:faf:

[BILLYHIBS]

:faf:

At least they all looked as though they had seen a ball before

Admittedly lots of stoatirs that did not make the list 😀

[Paulie Walnuts]

Near post smear post

55 seconds into this clip

https://youtu.be/rGS9jOFVqSk

Just like to point out guys I have not touched a drop all day just gets my back up when folks on here talk up Rocky as being great he was ok I personally thought he was a disaster just imho of course

He is gone now anyway

Whilst he’s not blameless mcgeough actually runs out the wall that Rocky has put together and that’s exactly where the ball goes. If the wall does it’s job then there’s not even a save to be made.

[Paulie Walnuts]

At least they all looked as though they had seen a ball before

Admittedly lots of stoatirs that did not make the list 😀

I usually like your posts Billy. But that list of keepers being better than Rocky is one of the most outrageous posts I’ve seen on here :greengrin

Logan, Williams, Stack, Bell (surely not Cammy Bell?), Caig, Colgan… come on.

[BILLYHIBS]

I usually like your posts Billy. But that list of keepers being better than Rocky is one of the most outrageous posts I’ve seen on here :greengrin

As I said it was just off the top of my head

Rocky is probably hovering around 10th but not quite

Too many rookie errors man

[cameronw-hfc]

Near post smear post

55 seconds into this clip

https://youtu.be/rGS9jOFVqSk

Just like to point out guys I have not touched a drop all day just gets my back up when folks on here talk up Rocky as being great he was ok I personally thought he was a disaster just imho of course

He is gone now anyway

https://youtu.be/lrxaoJ7dUiQ

Could also say there's not a hibs keeper in recent memory to have a highlight reel like this. The save at 1.45ish vs Dundee is ridiculously good.

I agree he wasn't perfect, but for me, his shot stopping was enough to raise him above other keepers we have had. I get not rating him as highly but thinking he was a disaster is a bit mental

[Paulie Walnuts]

As I said it was just off the top of my head

Rocky is probably hovering around 10th but not quite

Too many rookie errors man

Aye but what is it that’s came off the top of your head? Just random names? Cause it’s certainly not goalies better than Rocky :greengrin

[LaMotta]

As I said it was just off the top of my head

Rocky is probably hovering around 10th but not quite

Too many rookie errors man

Billy I like most of your posts, but IMO you've been wrong in your assessment about Rocky for years. He is far better than you make out, and that list of other keepers youve provided just confirms it.

You've also listed 5 or so mistakes in his time with Hibs over 5 years, Goram had as many howlers as Rocky in a shorter space of time with Hibs - you can find some of them on youtube if you try. Leighton had loads too. All goalies make howlers, and Marshall is no different either.



https://youtu.be/lrxaoJ7dUiQ

Could also say there's not a hibs keeper in recent memory to have a highlight reel like this. The save at 1.45ish vs Dundee is ridiculously good.

I agree he wasn't perfect, but for me, his shot stopping was enough to raise him above other keepers we have had. I get not rating him as highly but thinking he was a disaster is a bit mental

:agree::agree::agree:

Aye but what is it that’s came off the top of your head? Just random names? Cause it’s certainly not goalies better than Rocky :greengrin

:agree::agree::agree:

[Donegal Hibby]

Maybe I'm in the minority here but I like Marshall and think he's a very good keeper. All keepers make mistakes and have bad games though when a keeper does , it's always scrutinized more than a outfield player . Marshall for me has good leadership qualities and has made some good saves this season and his distribution is normally excellent . Personally I think he can play another two years for us and he's the perfect mentor to help our young keeper ' Murray Johnson ' improve to take over eventually.

[Heisenberg]

Cammy Bell and Tony Caig 😂

Marciano is the best keeper we’ve had for a very long time in my opinion. At least 20 years.

[JimBHibees]

Maybe I'm in the minority here but I like Marshall and think he's a very good keeper. All keepers make mistakes and have bad games though when a keeper does , it's always scrutinized more than a outfield player . Marshall for me has good leadership qualities and has made some good saves this season and his distribution is normally excellent . Personally I think he can play another two years for us and he's the perfect mentor to help our young keeper ' Murray Johnson ' improve to take over eventually.

Personally think he has been a very good signing. Hope he stays longer injury permitting

[BILLYHIBS]

Really enjoyed this debate guys even if it is for the umpteenth time

I will leave you with this thought imagine Rocky trying to manoeuvre his way around the new bye kick laws with two quick forwards in his face and inside his box

Oh my aching sides 😂

If any of my above posts have sewn the seeds of doubt and helped remove the myth that Rocky was a great goalkeeper for Hibs my work here is done 😀

[Pretty Boy]

Just off the top of my head

Budgie
Logan
Williams
Marshall
Bogdan
Andersson
Stack
Goram
Leighton
Bell
Caig
Colgan

Rocky was streets ahead of Budgie, Logan, Bell, Caig, Colgan, Stack and Williams.

Logan is a legend but one great game aside (and what a game it was) he was bang average. His howler at home v Falkirk in the play off was a big part of why we had a 3rd season in the Championship.

Budgie was a character but he was (even more) erratic by the time he signed for us. They type of character we needed at the time but in his 2nd season he was making mistakes and was dropped for Chris Reid. Jim Leighton was a huge upgrade.

Not sure the rest even need qualification. Caig is only rivalled by Simon Brown for worst goalkeeper I have ever seen at Hibs. He was utterly shocking.

[BILLYHIBS]

Rocky was streets ahead of Budgie, Logan, Bell, Caig, Colgan, Stack and Williams.

Logan is a legend but one great game aside (and what a game it was) he was bang average. His howler at home v Falkirk in the play off was a big part of why we had a 3rd season in the Championship.

Budgie was a character but he was (even more) erratic by the time he signed for us. They type of character we needed at the time but in his 2nd season he was making mistakes and was dropped for Chris Reid. Jim Leighton was a huge upgrade.

Not sure the rest even need qualification. Caig is only rivalled by Simon Brown for worst goalkeeper I have ever seen at Hibs. He was utterly shocking.

Budgie ( Hibs cup winner and goalkeeping perfectionist) surprised at you PB His double save against the Hun helped win us the cup
Williams and Colgan both better and a safer pair of hands

[easty]

Caig is only rivalled by Simon Brown for worst goalkeeper I have ever seen at Hibs. He was utterly shocking.

Both terrible, but Andy McNeil beats them to the top of my list of worst Hibs keepers.

[Iain G]

Both terrible, but Andy McNeil beats them to the top of my list of worst Hibs keepers.

Nonsense! Brown was bloody awful and worse than anything we ever had in my lifetime. Stinking attitude as well.

[Iain G]

Just off the top of my head

Budgie
Logan
Williams
Marshall
Bogdan
Andersson
Stack
Goram
Leighton
Bell
Caig
Colgan

Would swap out Bell for Szamotulski and Rocky may just sneak in at number 10 ahead of Tony Caig.

[blackpoolhibs]

Just off the top of my head

Budgie
Logan
Williams
Marshall
Bogdan
Andersson
Stack
Goram
Leighton
Bell
Caig
Colgan

FFS Billy, it's a bit early to be on the sauce, Goram and Leighton i will give you but were donkeys years ago, you forgot about Graham Smith. :greengrin

[Crunchie]

Maybe I'm in the minority here but I like Marshall and think he's a very good keeper. All keepers make mistakes and have bad games though when a keeper does , it's always scrutinized more than a outfield player . Marshall for me has good leadership qualities and has made some good saves this season and his distribution is normally excellent . Personally I think he can play another two years for us and he's the perfect mentor to help our young keeper ' Murray Johnson ' improve to take over eventually.
Marshall is a great keeper and we're very lucky to have him. Sure he's made mistakes just like every other goalkeeper that's ever lived. I hope he's here for a good few more years yet unless some diamond comes along from out of the blue.

[Crunchie]

Both terrible, but Andy McNeil beats them to the top of my list of worst Hibs keepers.
Hibs cup winning legend and nowhere near as bad as you're making out.

[Speedy]

Just off the top of my head

Budgie
Logan
Williams
Marshall
Bogdan
Andersson
Stack
Goram
Leighton
Bell
Caig
Colgan

Is that a list of any 10 keepers off the top of your head?

:greengrin

[overdrive]

Hibs cup winning legend and nowhere near as bad as you're making out.

I don't think McNeil was a bad keeper as such but he just didn't have the height to be a really good keeper.

[Hiber-nation]

Nonsense! Brown was bloody awful and worse than anything we ever had in my lifetime. Stinking attitude as well.

Can barely recall Brown making a save. He had short arms as well which didn't help!

Did Bily actually say he thought Caig was better then Marciano??!!

[Pretty Boy]

I don't think McNeil was a bad keeper as such but he just didn't have the height to be a really good keeper.

He suffered because of the 2 clowns he was in a squad with initially.

He was still young and was basically thrown in because the other 2 were total incompetents. I remember Simon Brown came back in after McNeil got injured and put in one of the worst performances you will ever see against Rangers and that saw AM get back in.

I place a lot of the blame at John Collins door. We needed a solid , dependable keeper to come in and steady the ship the following season. Instead he signed a youngster without a minutes first team football under his belt and we ended up rotating him and McNeil throughout the season. Andy actually done really well in the spell he played and was unfortunate to find himself back out the team again, he made a save away at Falkirk that I still can't get my head around how he actually did it.

Neither Andy McNeil or MaKalambay should have found themselves in that position and it continued a problem that existed before they got here and lasted well after they had gone.

[Pretty Boy]

Can barely recall Brown making a save. He had short arms as well which didn't help!

Did Bily actually say he thought Caig was better then Marciano??!!

Bizarrely Brown made one of the best saves I have ever seen live.

Away at Rangers in the cup, 0-3 win. At 0-0 Bob Malcolm hit an absolute rocket of a shot on the angle from about 20 yards, it was going right in the top corner and Brown was wrong footed, he somehow shifted his weight and got a hand on it to touch it onto the bar. It was the high point of his Hibs career by a distance, a ridiculously good save.

[BILLYHIBS]

Can barely recall Brown making a save. He had short arms as well which didn't help!

Did Bily actually say he thought Caig was better then Marciano??!!

😂

[Onceinawhile]

People complaining about rocky's distribution whilst championing Jim Leighton?

Jeezo.

Also, conrad logan - legend that he is - had one good game for hibs. The semi final.

I don't think he saved any other shots in his time with us! He lost 5 goals in 2 games to falkirk ffs!!!

[BILLYHIBS]

Is that a list of any 10 keepers off the top of your head?

:greengrin

I know but people on here have gone from thinking Rocky was a great keeper for Hibs to thinking would he even make the top 10 in the last 30 years which was a point made by another poster that I agreed with

Does anyone know what Rocky is doing now out of interest ?

[BILLYHIBS]

FFS Billy, it's a bit early to be on the sauce, Goram and Leighton i will give you but were donkeys years ago, you forgot about Graham Smith. :greengrin

I liked Graeme Smith but sadly with other clubs

He was dugs*#t with us

[Onceinawhile]

I know but people on here have gone from thinking Rocky was a great keeper for Hibs to thinking would he even make the top 10 in the last 30 years which was a point made by another poster that I agreed with

Does anyone know what Rocky is doing now out of interest ?

He’s 2nd choice at feyenoord.

Played in the semi final of the europa conference last year.

[BILLYHIBS]

He’s 2nd choice at feyenoord.

Played in the semi final of the europa conference last year.

No appearances in 2022/23

Wasn’t on the bench at weekend

[marinello59]

Bizarrely Brown made one of the best saves I have ever seen live.

Away at Rangers in the cup, 0-3 win. At 0-0 Bob Malcolm hit an absolute rocket of a shot on the angle from about 20 yards, it was going right in the top corner and Brown was wrong footed, he somehow shifted his weight and got a hand on it to touch it onto the bar. It was the high point of his Hibs career by a distance, a ridiculously good save.

I was going to mention that one as well, a stunning save.

[PHeffernan]

Marciano is 33 and his contract at Feyenoord is up in the summer.
Marshall has 15 months left on his deal so no chance of Rocky returning.
I liked Rocky a lot but he is bound to have lost his edge due to barely playing at Feyenoord.

Marciano made more saves than Marshall but his distribution wasn't as good.
Marshall errors have cost us a few goals but importantly they have all occurred in games we were losing anyway.
Both good keepers, as was Bogdan before the concussion that finished him.
The best keeper we can afford is always the way to go.

[Heisenberg]

I know but people on here have gone from thinking Rocky was a great keeper for Hibs to thinking would he even make the top 10 in the last 30 years which was a point made by another poster that I agreed with

Does anyone know what Rocky is doing now out of interest ?

I’m not sure why what he’s doing now is relevant? It’s about how he performed for Hibs surely?

If you are wanting to dig him out for not playing at Feyenoord here’s a few from your list after leaving Hibs

Adam Bogdan - 23 games in Hungary since 2020
Conrad Logan - Punted round the lower leagues in England
Ben Williams - Punted round the lower leagues in England
Graham Stack - Punted round the lower leagues in England with a short trip to India thrown in
Cammy Bell - Punted round the lower leagues in Scotland
Tony Caig - Vancouver then punted round the lower leagues in England

[Paulie Walnuts]

I know but people on here have gone from thinking Rocky was a great keeper for Hibs to thinking would he even make the top 10 in the last 30 years which was a point made by another poster that I agreed with

Does anyone know what Rocky is doing now out of interest ?

Out of interest, who are the 10 that are better or even as good? (On the presumption your previous list wasn’t actually serious of course…)

[BILLYHIBS]

I’m not sure why what he’s doing now is relevant? It’s about how he performed for Hibs surely?

If you are wanting to dig him out for not playing at Feyenoord here’s a few from your list after leaving Hibs

Adam Bogdan - 23 games in Hungary since 2020
Conrad Logan - Punted round the lower leagues in England
Ben Williams - Punted round the lower leagues in England
Graham Stack - Punted round the lower leagues in England with a short trip to India thrown in
Cammy Bell - Punted round the lower leagues in Scotland
Tony Caig - Vancouver then punted round the lower leagues in England
Thanks for the update

I was just wondering if anyone knew if he was out on loan that is all

[BILLYHIBS]

Out of interest, who are the 10 that are better or even as good? (On the presumption your previous list wasn’t actually serious of course…)

Budgie
Williams
Bogdan
Colgan
Andersson
Marshall
Leighton
Gunn
Olly the Goalie
Andy McNeil cup winning legend
Szamotulski

[Hiber-nation]

Olly the Goalie


OK we now know you are at it

[LaMotta]

Budgie
Williams
Bogdan
Colgan
Andersson
Marshall
Leighton
Gunn
Olly the Goalie
Andy McNeil cup winning legend
Szamotulski

You wont find a keeper who played at Hibs with a better highlights reel of top saves than Rocky during his time at Easter Road.

You need to focus on the positives rather than a few exaggerated negatives that have clouded your opinion.

[Iain G]

You wont find a keeper who played at Hibs with a better highlights reel of top saves than Rocky during his time at Easter Road.

You need to focus on the positives rather than a few exaggerated negatives that have clouded your opinion.

Edwin de Graaf had an amazing highlights reel too! Anyone can be made to look good in the edit, especially with flashy big diving saves made because his positioning was wrong in the first place 😁

[O'Rourke3]

Jim Leighton had to change his game having spent a career being able to pick up the ball. Rocky on the other hand has developed with this as the rule. He was awful with the ball at his feet and has no excuse. I'm only now not getting nervous with a passback as DM is pretty comfortable dealing with a ball at his feet.

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[BILLYHIBS]

You wont find a keeper who played at Hibs with a better highlights reel of top saves than Rocky during his time at Easter Road.

You need to focus on the positives rather than a few exaggerated negatives that have clouded your opinion.

I had my opinion clouded every week watching him

Anyway we move on

[LaMotta]

Edwin de Graaf had an amazing highlights reel too! Anyone can be made to look good in the edit, especially with flashy big diving saves made because his positioning was wrong in the first place 😁

Well no he didn't and no they cant.

You will not find a good highlights reel of top saves from most of those on Billys crazy lists.

[MWHIBBIES]

Guy gets a move to Feyenoord and someone thinks Andy McNeil and Olly the criminal were better. Good lord. Neither were near Rocky's ability.

[LaMotta]

Jim Leighton had to change his game having spent a career being able to pick up the ball. Rocky on the other hand has developed with this as the rule. He was awful with the ball at his feet and has no excuse. I'm only now not getting nervous with a passback as DM is pretty comfortable dealing with a ball at his feet.

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Marshall cost us a goal 7 days ago by shanking the ball straight to the opposition. Thats one more goal than Rocky cost us due to an error from kicking. :cb

[O'Rourke3]

Marshall cost us a goal 7 days ago by shanking the ball straight to the opposition. Thats one more goal than Rocky cost us due to an error from kicking. :cbYou mean apart from the one he passed to Morelos after about 60 secs at ER? I loved Rocky as a keeper. He made some unbelievable saves. He was awful with a ball at his feet.

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[Iain G]

Well no he didn't and no they cant.

You will not find a good highlights reel of top saves from most of those on Billys crazy lists.

Course you can! Bit of fancy editing and graphics and music and anyone can be made to look selectively good!

And I agree with 8 out of 10 on that list.

[LaMotta]

You mean apart from the one he passed to Morelos after about 60 secs at ER? I loved Rocky as a keeper. He made some unbelievable saves. He was awful with a ball at his feet.

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Fair point:greengrin but then thats him and Marshall quits on that front.

He wasn't a great "footballer" I agree, but some of the criticism on here about him as a goalkeeper is laughable.

[LaMotta]

Course you can! Bit of fancy editing and graphics and music and anyone can be made to look selectively good!

And I agree with 8 out of 10 on that list.

Leighton apart, absolutely no chance will you get a similar reel of top saves from any of them in their time at Easter Road.

As for your 8 out of 10 comment, everyone is entitled to their opinion but if thats seriously what you think then I'm worried about your observational skills.

[BILLYHIBS]

Leighton apart, absolutely no chance will you get a similar reel of top saves from any of them in their time at Easter Road.

As for your 8 out of 10 comment, everyone is entitled to their opinion but if thats seriously what you think then I'm worried about your observational skills.
Budgie Williams Colgan Andersson Marshall and Gunn would all have excellent showreels who all had excellent careers without the pantomime dives for the cameras and comedy kicking

Andy Goram’s career saves would be worth a look guy was quality

[MWHIBBIES]

Budgie Williams Colgan Andersson Marshall and Gunn would all have excellent showreels who all had excellent careers without the pantomime dives for the cameras and comedy kicking

Andy Goram’s career saves would be worth a look guy was quality

Behave. Pantomime dives. We honestly don't deserve good players. Rocky was excellent for Hibs. Dozens of brilliant saves.

[BILLYHIBS]

Behave. Pantomime dives. We honestly don't deserve good players. Rocky was excellent for Hibs. Dozens of brilliant saves.

Struggling to make our top 10 in the last 30 years now :greengrin

[MWHIBBIES]

Struggling to make our top 10 in the last 30 years now :greengrin

Comfortable top 3 in the last 20 years.

[Pretty Boy]

The Hibs keepers I can really remember in my lifetime are:

Jim Leighton
Chris Reid
Oli Gottskalkson
Bryan Gunn
Nick Colgan
Tony Caig
Daniel Andersson
Ali Brown
Simon Brown
Zibi Malkowski
Andy McNeil
Yves MaKalmabay
Gregor Szamatoulski
Graeme Smith
Graham Stack
Mark Brown
Ben Williams
Mark Oxley
Conrad Logan
Ross Laidlaw
Adam Bogdan
Chris Maxwell
Matt Macey
Kevin Dabrowksi
David Marshall

I've discounted guys like Grof, Divis, Reguero, Virtanen, Murdoch, Bell, Bain Schofield and Barnes because they barely or never played.

From that list I couldn't name 9 better than Rocky. The only ones I could even make a case for would be Leighton, Andersson, Szamatoulski (albeit his spell here was brief), Bogdan and Marshall and I'd only truly be confident in my argument with Leighton who is one of the 2 best keepers this country has ever produced.

Marciano had his faults but he was by and large an excellent goalkeeper for us.

[Crunchie]

The Hibs keepers I can really remember in my lifetime are:

Jim Leighton
Chris Reid
Oli Gottskalkson
Bryan Gunn
Nick Colgan
Tony Caig
Daniel Andersson
Ali Brown
Simon Brown
Zibi Malkowski
Andy McNeil
Yves MaKalmabay
Gregor Szamatoulski
Graeme Smith
Graham Stack
Mark Brown
Ben Williams
Mark Oxley
Conrad Logan
Ross Laidlaw
Adam Bogdan
Chris Maxwell
Matt Macey
Kevin Dabrowksi
David Marshall

I've discounted guys like Grof, Divis, Reguero, Virtanen, Murdoch, Bell, Bain Schofield and Barnes because they barely or never played.

From that list I couldn't name 9 better than Rocky. The only ones I could even make a case for would be Leighton, Andersson, Szamatoulski (albeit his spell here was brief), Bogdan and Marshall and I'd only truly be confident in my argument with Leighton who is one of the 2 best keepers this country has ever produced.

Marciano had his faults but he was by and large an excellent goalkeeper for us.
You forgot about the best of them all. AG

[Iain G]

Leighton apart, absolutely no chance will you get a similar reel of top saves from any of them in their time at Easter Road.

As for your 8 out of 10 comment, everyone is entitled to their opinion but if thats seriously what you think then I'm worried about your observational skills.

Am just glad you aren't signing out goalkeepers, would rather trust Ian Gordon 😁

[cameronw-hfc]

Budgie Williams Colgan Andersson Marshall and Gunn would all have excellent showreels who all had excellent careers without the pantomime dives for the cameras and comedy kicking

Andy Goram’s career saves would be worth a look guy was quality

Pantomime saves lol. Near post and pantomime saves, two things you've mentioned recently that are mostly just lazy statements. Rocky had good positioning, hi And ability to make those saves are a testament to his agility and reflexes rather than him doing it for the cameras.

90% of the saves people call "pantomime saves" are legitimately good saves that couldn't be saved any other way, Rocky had the ability to make saves I've never seen a keeper at Hibs make. I was a keeper myself and currently a qualified keeper coach so of course I get a bit heated about the topic, but I hate the camera saves rhetoric. If a keeper dives to make a save, it's because he feels more confident making the save that wat, not that hes doing it to show off.

I usually respect and agree with a lot of your football takes but this is one that has utterly baffled me. Remember cky is an international GK, played in Europe plenty, and stepped up in many, many big games for us. He's objectively a good goalkeeper. Whether he's AS good as some say is up for debate, but the way you're making out as if he wasn't any good is honestly baffling as that's just false.

[BILLYHIBS]

Got to bow to your superior knowledge in the position as you obviously know more than me and I respect the skills and experience you have gained over I suspect a lengthy period of time to get to the position you are in

As a paying punter and someone who has also played the game Rocky was not for me

He was capable of magnificent instinctive saves but not sure about his distribution and positioning and as others have said Rocky was not without his faults prone to the odd error and even losing his position through loss of form

I also appreciate your passion for the subject as one of my bugbears as a player was playing in front of a poor goalkeeper and as you will know playing football is a team game and all about having confidence and faith in the ability of your teammates

Everyone knows my views on Rocky and ain’t nothing gonna change it

Some players you like some players you don’t

I will leave it at that

GGTTH

Edit

What was Rocky doing for the second goal ?

Dearie me

https://youtu.be/y867uKt-o6A

[eastmainsmsh]

Goram was best but way Leighton turned his career around was magic both top drawer keepers

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Got to bow to your superior knowledge in the position as you obviously know more than me and I respect the skills and experience you have gained over I suspect a lengthy period of time to get to the position you are in

As a paying punter and someone who has also played the game Rocky was not for me

He was capable of magnificent instinctive saves but not sure about his distribution and positioning and as others have said Rocky was not without his faults prone to the odd error and even losing his position through loss of form

I also appreciate your passion for the subject as one of my bugbears as a player was playing in front of a poor goalkeeper and as you will know playing football is a team game and all about having confidence and faith in the ability of your teammates

Everyone knows my views on Rocky and ain’t nothing gonna change it

Some players you like some players you don’t

I will leave it at that

GGTTH

Edit

What was Rocky doing for the second goal ?

Dearie me

https://youtu.be/y867uKt-o6A

Think he just gets caught out there, he’s expecting fat boy to drill that across the face of goal and he’s only what 10 yards or so away? With the power that’s hit at he’s no chance to get back across and get a hand to it, he’s gambled to try and intercept the cross coming across his six yard box, unlucky imo and a decent goal from fat tits. 9/10 times the striker doesn’t shoot from there and he gets a hand to the cross giving the defence a better chance to clear. Should clarify I’m nae goalie because I’ve a bit of common sense [emoji16]


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[BILLYHIBS]

Think he just gets caught out there, he’s expecting fat boy to drill that across the face of goal and he’s only what 10 yards or so away? With the power that’s hit at he’s no chance to get back across and get a hand to it, he’s gambled to try and intercept the cross coming across his six yard box, unlucky imo and a decent goal from fat tits. 9/10 times the striker doesn’t shoot from there and he gets a hand to the cross giving the defence a better chance to clear. Should clarify I’m nae goalie because I’ve a bit of common sense [emoji16]


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I know I was only having a wee laugh :greengrin

As I said I will leave it at that

[Shrekko]

Rocky is probably as good a keeper as we could possibly get in the current climate and did well for us. Some of his saves were amazing.

However, he is more than a little over-rated by some Hibs fans who seem oblivious to the fact he had quite a few not so great attributes. I’ve no complaints about his overall Hibs career but we’ve had better over the years.

[Since452]

Marciano and Marvin Bartley have become like Buffon and Pirlo in the eyes of some since they left us.

[LaMotta]

Marciano and Marvin Bartley have become like Buffon and Pirlo in the eyes of some since they left us.

Conversely, they have become like Zibby Malkowski and Tudor Jones in other peoples eyes.

The truth as is often the case is somewhere in the middle. Both of them were however key players during a succesful and enjoyable period for Hibs, and both were particularly good in ensuring we held the upper hand in derbies for a brief period. I think they deserve a lot more respect than some people give them.

[LaMotta]

Got to bow to your superior knowledge in the position as you obviously know more than me and I respect the skills and experience you have gained over I suspect a lengthy period of time to get to the position you are in

As a paying punter and someone who has also played the game Rocky was not for me

He was capable of magnificent instinctive saves but not sure about his distribution and positioning and as others have said Rocky was not without his faults prone to the odd error and even losing his position through loss of form

I also appreciate your passion for the subject as one of my bugbears as a player was playing in front of a poor goalkeeper and as you will know playing football is a team game and all about having confidence and faith in the ability of your teammates

Everyone knows my views on Rocky and ain’t nothing gonna change it

Some players you like some players you don’t

I will leave it at that

GGTTH

Edit

What was Rocky doing for the second goal ?

Dearie me

https://youtu.be/y867uKt-o6A

You should look for yoytube clips of howlers from your hero Andy Goram. Some absolute shockers in there, which of course you get from all keepers inevitably:wink:

[BILLYHIBS]

You should look for yoytube clips of howlers from your hero Andy Goram. Some absolute shockers in there, which of course you get from all keepers inevitably:wink:

Andy Goram in my humble opinion is the best goalkeeper I have seen pull on a Hibs jersey in 55 years of supporting Hibs

He was not called ‘The Goalie’ for nothing

We have had this conversation before

Streets ahead of Rocky

[JimBHibees]

Andy Goram in my humble opinion is the best goalkeeper I have seen pull on a Hibs jersey in 55 years of supporting Hibs

He was not called ‘The Goalie’ for nothing

We have had this conversation before

Streets ahead of Rocky

Totally agree completely different level

[LaMotta]

Andy Goram in my humble opinion is the best goalkeeper I have seen pull on a Hibs jersey in 55 years of supporting Hibs

He was not called ‘The Goalie’ for nothing

We have had this conversation before

Streets ahead of Rocky

Yeah Goram was brilliant, but he made plenty of howlers. The fact that you continuously focus on a few howlers from Rocky is unfair, when clearly all goalies make them.

We have had this conversation before, but everytime Rocky gets mentioned in a thread your views get even more ludicrous on him, which is hard to ignore.

[BILLYHIBS]

Yeah Goram was brilliant, but he made plenty of howlers. The fact that you continuously focus on a few howlers from Rocky is unfair, when clearly all goalies make them.

We have had this conversation before, but everytime Rocky gets mentioned in a thread your views get even more ludicrous on him, which is hard to ignore.
Let us just say that Rocky was more consistent than Goram in making mistakes for HIBS

Even you must agree with that ?

Struggling to thing of any mistakes for Goram whilst playing for HIBS tbh

I remember him getting a standing ovation from all Stands at Tiny after a crushing defeat that should have been greater

No comparison

[LaMotta]

Let us just say that Rocky was more consistent than Goram in making mistakes for HIBS

Even you must agree with that ?

Struggling to thing of any mistakes for Goram whilst playing for HIBS tbh

I remember him getting a standing ovation from all Stands at Tiny after a crushing defeat that should have been greater

No comparison

No I dont agree Rocky was more consistent at making mistakes for Hibs because it isnt true. Just cause you don't remember Goram making mistakes doesnt mean they didn't happen. There is limited camera footage from back then but despite that plenty of youtube evidence. Absolute shockers costing us goals v Hearts and other teams.

Goram was still the best but I'll say this, a comparison between Rocky and Goram (both with 40 odd caps for middle ranking International teams) is far more realistic than your bizaarre claims that Tony Caig and Andy McNeil rank above Rocky. I will say no more on the matter.

[Iain G]

No I dont agree Rocky was more consistent at making mistakes for Hibs because it isnt true. Just cause you don't remember Goram making mistakes doesnt mean they didn't happen. There is limited camera footage from back then but despite that plenty of youtube evidence. Absolute shockers costing us goals v Hearts and other teams.

Goram was still the best but I'll say this, a comparison between Rocky and Goram (both with 40 odd caps for middle ranking International teams) is far more realistic than your bizaarre claims that Tony Caig and Andy McNeil rank above Rocky. I will say no more on the matter.

That's cup winning Andy McNeil! One better than Marciano managed 😁

[LaMotta]

That's cup winning Andy McNeil! One better than Marciano managed ��

Also one more than Goram or Leighton managed at Hibs:wink:

While we are at it, Chris Dagnall has one more cup winners medal at Hibs than Frank Sauzee!

[BILLYHIBS]

No I dont agree Rocky was more consistent at making mistakes for Hibs. Just cause you don't remember Goram making mistakes doesnt mean they didn't happen. There is limited camera footage from back then but despite that plenty of youtube evidence. Absolute shockers costing us goals v Hearts and other teams.

Goram was still the best but I'll say this, a comparison between Rocky and Goram (both with 40 odd caps for middle ranking International teams) is far more realistic than your bizaarre claims that Tony Caig and Andy McNeil rank above Rocky. I will say no more on the matter.

Great leave it at then :greengrin

Over his time at Hibs I was happy with Rocky’s overall contribution and I understand why many Hibby’s still rate him highly

Just not a ‘great’ for me

He was ok

I suppose my problem was I could never totally trust him due to other aspects in his game

Some of his saves were totally top drawer world class no denying

Just one of those things nothing personal

GGTTH

[LaMotta]

Great leave it at then :greengrin

Over his time at Hibs I was happy with Rocky’s overall contribution and I understand why many Hibby’s still rate him highly

Just not a ‘great’ for me

He was ok

I suppose my problem was I could never totally trust him due to other aspects in his game

Some of his saves were totally top drawer world class no denying

Just one of those things nothing personal

GGTTH

Good man Billy. I look forward to a similar debate in 8 months time when the topic crops again for some reason:greengrin

[Hibbyradge]

Great leave it at then :greengrin

Over his time at Hibs I was happy with Rocky’s overall contribution and I understand why many Hibby’s still rate him highly

Just not a ‘great’ for me

He was ok

I suppose my problem was I could never totally trust him due to other aspects in his game

Some of his saves were totally top drawer world class no denying

Just one of those things nothing personal

GGTTH

I agree Billy.

The "greats" for me are McArthur, Rough, Leighton and Goram.

I liked Anderson and Rocky but they didn't get close to those, especially the last three.

[cameronw-hfc]

Got to bow to your superior knowledge in the position as you obviously know more than me and I respect the skills and experience you have gained over I suspect a lengthy period of time to get to the position you are in

As a paying punter and someone who has also played the game Rocky was not for me

He was capable of magnificent instinctive saves but not sure about his distribution and positioning and as others have said Rocky was not without his faults prone to the odd error and even losing his position through loss of form

I also appreciate your passion for the subject as one of my bugbears as a player was playing in front of a poor goalkeeper and as you will know playing football is a team game and all about having confidence and faith in the ability of your teammates

Everyone knows my views on Rocky and ain’t nothing gonna change it

Some players you like some players you don’t

I will leave it at that

GGTTH

Edit

What was Rocky doing for the second goal ?

Dearie me

https://youtu.be/y867uKt-o6A



Apologies I wasn't meaning I know more, I don't know more than anyone else. Goalkeeping in a lot of aspects is subjective, as is a lot of football. I was just meaning if im coming across as a bit passionate about it it's purely because the position has a closer place to my heart.

We will have to agree to disagree and move on then, I will say, my view of an excellent keeper is also relative to the quality around him. Imo, for our standard, Rocky was as good as it gets. If he had perfect positioning and better distribution he would be at a much higher level, but for Hibs, I thought he was excellent.

I'll give you that video though, guesses wrong and looks a fool for it, should have stayed where he was.

[MWHIBBIES]

Rocky passes once to a Hun player in his 5 years here, "can't trust him with the ball"

Fantastic goalie for Hibs. Many facts point towards that.

Its a waste of bandwidth though, as Billy has said he'll never change his mind no matter what. Strange really.

Okay Hibs goalies don't join Feyenoord. Really good ones do.

[BILLYHIBS]

Apologies I wasn't meaning I know more, I don't know more than anyone else. Goalkeeping in a lot of aspects is subjective, as is a lot of football. I was just meaning if im coming across as a bit passionate about it it's purely because the position has a closer place to my heart.

We will have to agree to disagree and move on then, I will say, my view of an excellent keeper is also relative to the quality around him. Imo, for our standard, Rocky was as good as it gets. If he had perfect positioning and better distribution he would be at a much higher level, but for Hibs, I thought he was excellent.

I'll give you that video though, guesses wrong and looks a fool for it, should have stayed where he was.
Was speaking to a Coach the other day hours and hours of unpaid work all for no thanks and loads of abuse the only satisfaction from the fruits of his labours is seeing the odd one or two make it

He even told me that the should have made it wanna be parents now have to stand outside a perimeter fence

You have my total respect

[BILLYHIBS]

Rocky passes once to a Hun player in his 5 years here, "can't trust him with the ball"

Fantastic goalie for Hibs. Many facts point towards that.

Its a waste of bandwidth though, as Billy has said he'll never change his mind no matter what. Strange really.

Okay Hibs goalies don't join Feyenoord. Really good ones do.

Will be interesting to see his next move

I wish him every success

[Paulie Walnuts]

Will be interesting to see his next move

I wish him every success

Hopefully it’s back to Hibs :agree:

[eastmainsmsh]

Hopefully it’s back to Hibs :agree:

Think Rocky and family love Edinburgh

[Since452]

Great leave it at then :greengrin

Over his time at Hibs I was happy with Rocky’s overall contribution and I understand why many Hibby’s still rate him highly

Just not a ‘great’ for me

He was ok

I suppose my problem was I could never totally trust him due to other aspects in his game

Some of his saves were totally top drawer world class no denying

Just one of those things nothing personal

GGTTH

That's where I am.

[cameronw-hfc]

Was speaking to a Coach the other day hours and hours of unpaid work all for no thanks and loads of abuse the only satisfaction from the fruits of his labours is seeing the odd one or two make it

He even told me that the should have made it wanna be parents now have to stand outside a perimeter fence

You have my total respect



Yeah it can be a task. We always say it's an unpaid part time job😂. I coach older age groups GK training Tbf and run an under 10's team, and some of the stick you get from parents is absurd, everyone always knows better. Plenty of pro's to coaching though so it all evens out in the end. Refs are the ones I feel for, we've seen them take some amount of abuse from coaches and parents.

[JohnM1875]

Have to say, penalty aside thought Marshall played well today. A few great saves.

[Just Alf]

Have to say, penalty aside thought Marshall played well today. A few great saves.Aye, agree with this.. and to be honest,.penalties don't count, a.save is an unexpected bonus!

[cameronw-hfc]

Have to say, penalty aside thought Marshall played well today. A few great saves.

Same here. Said elsewhere despite being a critic this season it was possibly his best game, and more of the DM I expected!

[Onceinawhile]

Thought he did well the day. One or two kicks straight out, but 2 or 3 good saves.

I suspect he'll be kicking himself for not saving the penalty.

[LewysGot2]

Possibly Marsh's best game today. Some top drawer saves

[JimBHibees]

Showed what he clearly is a very good keeper. Dont understand the criticism and want rid chat. Nonsense imo

[hibby rae]

Showed what he clearly is a very good keeper. Dont understand the criticism and want rid chat. Nonsense imo

yep, Tbh I thought this was a bollocks thread to begin with!

Marshall is one of the best keepers in the league, top 5 of all keepers including those with broken legs, and far far better than Macey was.

And whilst I hope Dabrowski is a long-term number 1 in the future, having Marsh in that role for at least the next season is a good thing for us

[Viva_Palmeiras]

yep, Tbh I thought this was a bollocks thread to begin with!

Marshall is one of the best keepers in the league, top 5 of all keepers including those with broken legs, and far far better than Macey was.

And whilst I hope Dabrowski is a long-term number 1 in the future, having Marsh in that role for at least the next season is a good thing for us

have we not release Dabrowski?

[04Sauzee]

have we not release Dabrowski?

He's away permanently to QOTS

[hibby rae]

He's away permanently to QOTS

Does Hibs know?

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/player/kevin-dabrowski-21

[JimBHibees]

Does Hibs know?

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/player/kevin-dabrowski-21

His contract is out at the end of the season

[B.H.F.C]

Does Hibs know?

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/player/kevin-dabrowski-21

He’s away on loan initially but when he went they confirmed that was his time up here as out of contract at end of season.

[B.H.F.C]

Thought Marshall was really good today.

Apart from the penalty. Penalty or no, should have saved that.

Despite all the pressure I can’t mind him making that many saves second half. Or certainly no much I wouldn’t expect him to. No chance with second or third.

[Mikey_1875]

I think today might have turned a few opinions on this. I wasn’t overly concerned with the GK situation but there were three errors that were difficult to explain today from Marshall.

I would go as far to say that there will be a bit of widespread uncertainty around him now in games going forward.

[B.H.F.C]

Marshall hasn’t been what I’d hoped he would be. His distribution has been excellent but been average otherwise.

His challenge to give away the penalty today was absolutely crazy. For a player of his experience to do that, I couldn’t believe what I was watching.

[JohnM1875]

Marshall hasn’t been what I’d hoped he would be. His distribution has been excellent but been average otherwise.

His challenge to give away the penalty today was absolutely crazy. For a player of his experience to do that, I couldn’t believe what I was watching.

I genuinely can't believe how slow he is. First goal absolutely nothing he could have done. Penalty he should save after going the right way and the second free kick is embarrassing.

Made a good one on one save early doors from Van Veen (who we made look like Messi toady) to be fair to him. But we need to have a new number one next season.

[green day]

I think today might have turned a few opinions on this. I wasn’t overly concerned with the GK situation but there were three errors that were difficult to explain today from Marshall.

I would go as far to say that there will be a bit of widespread uncertainty around him now in games going forward.
Everything that would have been expected of a top GK today he failed.

Without placing all the blame for the result on him, the pen and 3rd goal were pretty much both his fault.

Awful stuff.

[JimBHibees]

Marshall hasn’t been what I’d hoped he would be. His distribution has been excellent but been average otherwise.

His challenge to give away the penalty today was absolutely crazy. For a player of his experience to do that, I couldn’t believe what I was watching.

Personally think he has been good in general however no getting away from today. The penalty by charging out and challenging was incredible given his experience just stand up. How he never saved a very poor penalty I don't know and was much worse than the one he should have saved v Celtic. Third one looks a decent free kick which should easily have been saved on goalies side.

[Pretty Boy]

I started this thread and it's one in which I genuinely hoped I would be left with egg on my face as he went on to a run of brilliant form.

A day like today has been on the cards though. There haven't been a huge number of howlers but there were signs that they could be in the post and that came to pass today.

I don't really understand it either. The first few games of this season he looked fine. Solid, decisive and a calming presence but a hesitancy and shakiness has set in and some of his decision making has been awful. Eventually that gets punished. You would hope by his age that he is old enough not to have a real crisis of confidence but that's what it looks like.

[Broxburn Greens]

Everyone can be forgiven a bad game surely?

Sadly for a goalkeeper a bad game generally means defeat for the team so it sticks out like a sore thumb.

Marshall has been good this season and his distribution at times has been world class.I for one will forgive him today based on the rest of the season.

[HibeeMackenzie]

First goal he was basically standing on the post. Boy didn’t need to put any power on the free kick just had to clip it over the wall and it was in

Second goal dives in like an idiot to give it a way whereas if he tries to catch the ball he gets the foul, let’s not even comment on his attempt to save a pen for the second straight game

3rd goal the first is probably playing on his mind so he moves across early but the lack of pace on the shot he could have walked across and caught the thing

Move him into a keepers coaching role and get someone that’s young enough to dive for a shot and make a save in

[JimBHibees]

Everyone can be forgiven a bad game surely?

Sadly for a goalkeeper a bad game generally means defeat for the team so it sticks out like a sore thumb.

Marshall has been good this season and his distribution at times has been world class.I for one will forgive him today based on the rest of the season.

Same for me think he has been in the main decent however mistakes are coming more regularly wasn't great v Rangers contributed directly to their goal just after half time. Celtic game thought he was very good though imo should have saved pen. Yesterday was incredibly poor.

[Brightside]

He’s not very good. Stats have shown that since he arrived. But he once saved a pen for Scotland.

[A Hi-Bee]

He’s not very good. Stats have shown that since he arrived. But he once saved a pen for Scotland.

:top marks

[Tambo]

What was up with him being outside his box so much? Twice a Motherwell player attempted to score from half way or so and the second one was actually a decent effort which on another day could of went in.

Also his play acting with Van Veen? Was a very strange day all around yesterday.

[Steven79]

What was up with him being outside his box so much? Twice a Motherwell player attempted to score from half way or so and the second one was actually a decent effort which on another day could of went in.

Also his play acting with Van Veen? Was a very strange day all around yesterday.

He's got previous with Scotland...

[Tambo]

He's got previous with Scotland...

Very true. Just never really seen him do it that much for us this season or maybe he has.

[MWHIBBIES]

What was up with him being outside his box so much? Twice a Motherwell player attempted to score from half way or so and the second one was actually a decent effort which on another day could of went in.

Also his play acting with Van Veen? Was a very strange day all around yesterday.

Aimless punts forward when the player had no other option. Neither was ever going in. His positioning for both was fine.

[cameronw-hfc]

What was up with him being outside his box so much? Twice a Motherwell player attempted to score from half way or so and the second one was actually a decent effort which on another day could of went in.

Also his play acting with Van Veen? Was a very strange day all around yesterday.


It's probably better to keep a high line as a keeper overall, so whilst I've been critical of him I'll say I do like that he's high up. Takes a worldie to beat you from that range and the pros outweighs the cons imo.

Means he's starting in a better and higher position for any balls over the top. Typically keepers will judge if they can make it, retreat to the 6 yard box if they can't make it and come out when needed from there, but starting higher allows him more of a headstart if he's trying to sweep up.

[Clarence]

:top marks

Which got us to a tournament where he was lobbed by a Czech player from the half way line. Motherwell tried to lob him from distance twice yesterday, but high was a bit cheeky.

[Tambo]

Aimless punts forward when the player had no other option. Neither was ever going in. His positioning for both was fine.

First one no doubt aimless and I suppose on second viewing just now it wasn't as bad as I thought with the second attempt.

He did seem to bring the ball out the box much more than I've seen though and even one point half jogging out the box as usally its just a simple pass to fish or hanlon or a kick up field.

The players must have noticed something to be honest or wouldn't have attempted the two efforts in the first place, just seemed an odd day for David that's all.

[Tambo]

It's probably better to keep a high line as a keeper overall, so whilst I've been critical of him I'll say I do like that he's high up. Takes a worldie to beat you from that range and the pros outweighs the cons imo.

Means he's starting in a better and higher position for any balls over the top. Typically keepers will judge if they can make it, retreat to the 6 yard box if they can't make it and come out when needed from there, but starting higher allows him more of a headstart if he's trying to sweep up.

I meant bringing the ball out and being outside of the box himself more than once.

[Brightside]

I'm told he won POTY at the Hibs club last night.......

[GreenGray]

Everyone can be forgiven a bad game surely?

Sadly for a goalkeeper a bad game generally means defeat for the team so it sticks out like a sore thumb.

Marshall has been good this season and his distribution at times has been world class.I for one will forgive him today based on the rest of the season.

Afraid you're wrong, his stats show hes been one of the worst keepers in the league. His distribution started good but has been pretty poor recently.

[LewysGot2]

He’s not very good. Stats have shown that since he arrived. But he once saved a pen for Scotland.

Won POTY last night from Hibs supporters association...

He clearly divides opinion.

[CMac1988]

POTY?! Someone's been sniffing the crazy glue.

Whilst his distribution is good far too often do I think to myself, 'most keepers in this league would've saved that'.

https://fbref.com/en/comps/40/keepers/Scottish-Premiership-Stats

Whilst goalkeeping stats aren't entirley indicative solely on a keepers own performance, he's conceded the most goals in the league and has the lowest save percentage.

[KiddA]

The thing that got me was how petulant he was for the foul for the pk. He got into it with Van Veen prior to that and it showed with the rash challenge for the pen. Then he looked like he could not care less and that's our captain 🙄 he has been very poor this season and made a lot of mistakes. Tynecastle and Celtic park to name a couple, needs dropped plain and simple.

[MWHIBBIES]

The thing that got me was how petulant he was for the foul for the pk. He got into it with Van Veen prior to that and it showed with the rash challenge for the pen. Then he looked like he could not care less and that's our captain 🙄 he has been very poor this season and made a lot of mistakes. Tynecastle and Celtic park to name a couple, needs dropped plain and simple.

He definitely cared. He just made a bad mistake and he knew it. He was gutted after the pen went in.

[JimBHibees]

The thing that got me was how petulant he was for the foul for the pk. He got into it with Van Veen prior to that and it showed with the rash challenge for the pen. Then he looked like he could not care less and that's our captain 🙄 he has been very poor this season and made a lot of mistakes. Tynecastle and Celtic park to name a couple, needs dropped plain and simple.

Really hasn’t been very poor at all

[cameronw-hfc]

Really hasn’t been very poor at all

He really has

[BILLYHIBS]

Really liked Marsh started off really well but seems to be going backwards

Started staying on his line more distribution wasn’t as quick and decisive and dodgy decision making

He will know all this himself

If we do not have a young keeper ready to step up we really need to think about signing an experienced back up someone who can challenge for the gloves and give him the serious competition he so badly needs to put the edge back on his game

[Paulie Walnuts]

Really hasn’t been very poor at all

He’s made at least 7 mistakes in 3/4 of a season. That’s poor.

[BILLYHIBS]

https://i.ibb.co/TLTQX0y/94-DA5347-FB5-B-4-A4-D-95-C2-237-A6-CA03-CD7.png (https://ibb.co/VmNFyC6)

[JimBHibees]

He’s made at least 7 mistakes in 3/4 of a season. That’s poor.

Still an excellent keeper

[B.H.F.C]

Still an excellent keeper

He’s not been excellent for us though.

I don’t think he’s been terrible. He’s cost us goals in the last three games, I know a couple of them were penalties but he should have kept them out. It not been a good run for him though.

Not had the influence on us defensively that I’d hoped he’d have.

[Billy Whizz]

He’s had no competition for his place this season

[MWHIBBIES]

If he was a random lower league English goalie we'd signed, he'd be getting far more stick. The praise isn't based on his time here.

[Paulie Walnuts]

If he was a random lower league English goalie we'd signed, he'd be getting far more stick. The praise isn't based on his time here.

:agree:

I thought Macey needed replaced, didn’t particularly rate him. Marshall is probably still more capable of having a very good save in him than Macey imo but he’s shown himself to also be more prone to errors.

[CapitalGreen]

Still an excellent keeper

By what measure?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Still an excellent keeper

Excellent keepers don’t make that many mistakes surely?

He was once an excellent keeper. He hasn’t been that at Hibs, not even close imo.