Hibernian v The Rangers

[Jim44]

Look at their subs compared to ours. Half their subs would've got in to our starting line up tonight. They might not be that far ahead but they've got much more depth.

The really significant fact about tonight’s results is that the Jambos gave Celtic a really good game and kept most of their supporters on side while we were the exact opposite.

[OstKurve Hibs]

Not worth losing sleep over. The huns are simply a much better team than us. They actually played very well tonight.

We coulda made it a bit more difficult, they barely broke sweat tnite

[MWHIBBIES]

They also had Europe. How would we have faired with those extra games instead of Hearts. They are catchable, but my money would be on them comfortably finishing 3rd.

Europe allowed them the players they have. No Europe, no shankland. Very different table.

How would we have faired with 38 games from Boyle and Nisbet? Only season they've both been fit here we easily finished 3rd.

[Ronniekirk]

And I predicted a hibs win tonight Ffs Yon was Brutal

[Since452]

Not worth losing sleep over. The huns are simply a much better team than us. They actually played very well tonight.

Exactly. Celtic will win similarly comfortably against us as well. They are streets ahead of us. It's disappointing obviously but not surprising.

[Unseen work]

Not hard enough. A lot of the time tonight we’d look like closing down the first man, but as soon as the ball was moved on, nobody tracked any runners. It’s was constant all night.

I think it looked like poor shape and organisation from the players tonight which lead to the game being stretched and isolated

We looked like we were chasing shadows imo.

[HFC93]

The really significant fact about tonight’s results is that the Jambos gave Celtic a really good game and kept most of their supporters on side while we were the exact opposite.

Still lost 3-1 though

[pollution]

This is bonkers, are you ok?

I smell a troll....

[The Modfather]

Have they played many more games than us? We had the league cup. They're played one more Scottish Cup game. They've maybe played three games more than us?

I’m not sure a league cup group stage is comparable to European group stage. Anyway, not overly important in the scheme of things. They are catchable, but I don’t think we will catch them.

[McGruber]

They also had Europe. How would we have faired with those extra games instead of Hearts. They are catchable, but my money would be on them comfortably finishing 3rd.

We couldn't have done much worse in that period losing 9 out 11 - How much worse could Europe have made it for us!
Agree though, they will finish 3rd. 4th and Europe still in the mixer though, quite tight now. Need to finish top 6 first then go for 4th

[stalbanshibby]

Not worth losing sleep over. The huns are simply a much better team than us. They actually played very well tonight. Sakala looks a top player.

Think we've still got every chance of a top 4 finish tho.
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[Since452]

The really significant fact about tonight’s results is that the Jambos gave Celtic a really good game and kept most of their supporters on side while we were the exact opposite.

One of us lost 4-1 the other 3-1. They can celebrate a defeat if they want but they ultimately got pumped like we did.

[Bishop Hibee]

The gap between us and the OF is bigger than ever. Having said that, the Huns didn’t have to score sensational goals to beat us. Goal 3 and 4 were shocking.

[Carheenlea]

A wake up call to where we are in comparison to Celtic and Rangers maybe.

It’s not really. I’m sure we all are aware of the gulf between Old Firm (and us and the rest), but we should still be looking to give them a decent game on a one off, but tonight we were miles off that which was disappointing.

Had a good feeling too for the game after a great run of form but it was like watching a different team tonight.

[Jim44]

Still lost 3-1 though

Missing the point …… the results cancelled each other out. The relative performances and their effects were poles apart.

[Ray Donovan]

We were well off it tonight. Another pumping from the OF under Johnson. Need to change it quickly.

[Stuart93]

Not worth losing sleep over. The huns are simply a much better team than us. They actually played very well tonight. Sakala looks a top player.

Think we've still got every chance of a top 4 finish tho.

I’m expecting a top 4 finish tbh

[Since452]

We were well off it tonight. Another pumping from the OF under Johnson. Need to change it quickly.

That's a very difficult thing to change without parking the bus.

[B.H.F.C]

A wake up call to where we are in comparison to Celtic and Rangers maybe.

Na we can’t use the old ‘they are miles in front of us argument’ tonight.

That doesn’t lead to the number of individual mistakes we made tonight. They’ve always been miles in front of us but when we have a good side, we can compete with them in a one off game. We look miles off being able to do that.

[Callum_62]

Na we can’t use the old ‘they are miles in front of us argument’ tonight.

That doesn’t lead to the number of individual mistakes we made tonight. They’ve always been miles in front of us but when we have a good side, we can compete with them in a one off game. We look miles off being able to do that.We drew with them earlier in the season

Even when they had 11 we were in the game

They totally blew us away tonight

I do think some of the mistakes we made were driven in part but the way they pressed and harried

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[Hiber-nation]

Cadden must never play in a back 4 against the OF again. Wasn't the only problem, midfield were diabolical but it's the most glaringly obvious.

[JohnM1875]

The gap between us and the OF is bigger than ever. Having said that, the Huns didn’t have to score sensational goals to beat us. Goal 3 and 4 were shocking.

That's the most frustrating thing for me. Absolute schoolboy defending. No one wanting to make a tackle then all arguing with each other after the third and fourth goals. Embarrassed watching that tonight. Thankfully on annual leave tomorrow as have two of them in my team.

[Smartie]

That’s the best rangers have played this season whilst the vast majority of our players had a really poor night. Thought Fish was really good and a standout for us.

I saw someone say the old firm are our Achilles heel, of course they are? We’re 4th and not beat anyone above us, Hearts are third and not beaten anyone above them, rangers second and not beat anyone above them. Who would have thought it.

At times it seemed to me that we were too keen on hitting it long to get in behind them. The ball went back to Marshall and Youan, Henderson, Campbell, Hoppe and Cadden bombed on to try get in behind or win second balls.

Marshall’s distribution was really poor tonight and scuffed alot of his passes/clearances which lead to rangers winning possession in the middle of the park and appearing like they had loads of room.

It’s a really poor night but I genuinely wouldn’t look too much into it, they were really good and we were really poor.

Unfortunately, it happens.

Need to brush our self down and get ready for Celtic.

I made the Achilles heel comment.

What I meant was that - RELATIVE TO EXPECTATION - Johnson has underperformed in the games against Celtic, Rangers and Hearts. And that’s relative to a low expectation.

Nobody expects to win all of these games but we expect to compete and pick up odds and ends along the way. Even that looks like a big ask.

Hibs used to occasionally beat the excellent Rangers 9 in a row team. We’ve overcome huge gulfs in quality to win at Ibrox many a time. At the very least, and even with our poorest ever sides, we’ve made it necessary for Rangers to work very hard to earn results at Easter Road.

We didn’t do that tonight and it’s hard to take.

[Donegal Hibby]

Reality of it is this was always a game we were massive underdogs in though I had hoped we would have played better than we did , when they played hertz it could have been 6 or 7 . Game on Saturday for me is very much damage limitation as well . Results went in our favour tonight which is a plus. Once we get Saturday over us it's Motherwell , Dundee Utd and St Johnstone , 3 very winnable games and 4th spot is still very much on for us .

[JohnM1875]

Cadden must never play in a back 4 against the OF again. Wasn't the only problem, midfield were diabolical but it's the most glaringly obvious.

Then where are you playing him then? Cause he's never a winger either. Slow, can't beat a man and just aimlessly lumps crosses into the box. Could have probably stopped your sentence after the word play.

[Trinity Hibee]

Results like tonight don’t make or break our season but the amount of times in recent years we have been steamrollered by the OF is alarming. It was clear we needed to change at HT and to not make any subs until 4-1 was just criminal.

That’s now 20 odd games against the OF and Hearts we’ve failed to win. It’s becoming the norm

[yerauldda]

Really naive way to play from Johnson, just can’t play like that against the OF. Everyone was poor but Cadden, Henderson & Hoppe were especially poor.

I don’t want to see Hibs park the bus you have to be more pragmatic in these games and run yourself into the ground, some of those players stopped trying tonight and humiliated themselves with that performance. So, so poor.

[Ray Donovan]

That's a very difficult thing to change without parking the bus.

Your probably right, just think they looked like they could cut through us whenever they wanted and it's horrible to watch.

[HFC93]

Missing the point …… the results cancelled each other out. The relative performances and their effects were poles apart.

Rangers done the same to them a few weeks ago at Tynecastle and Celtic will pump them at the weekend, but I'm pleased to hear they're proud of the lads brave 3-1 loss.

[Hiber-nation]

Then where are you playing him then? Cause he's never a winger either. Slow, can't beat a man and just aimlessly lumps crosses into the box. Could have probably stopped your sentence after the word play.

Either where he ended up in a midfield 5 or sitting on the bench.

[Brightside]

Re the sectarianism. If we ever get our own house in order we have a chance to change it. But the club will never go to war when there is so much online evidence of our own fans falling into the trap of “banter”.

[ancient hibee]

We had more of the ball tonight than Hearts had against Celtic. Rangers were good and pressed hard but actually all 4of the goals were gift wrapped.Silly penalty,Youan too slow to react to a pass,Marshall poor kick out and finally 4 attempts to clear the ball fail.

[Tambo]

Just seen the highlights and looked like it should of been more than 4.

Youan with a poor touch for the 2nd and the 3rd and 4th was shocking from a hibs point of view.

Hoping the heads don't drop after full time vs celtic as don't see us getting anything from the game.

[Not In The Know]

Ultimately managers saying they can go toe to toe with the old firm is a vanity project. Goodwin made a twat of himself saying it. LJ didn’t come out fully saying it, but left us open tonight to concede four goals.

[seanshow]

Few teams are getting anything out of the weegj these days, but we've been very poor against them and the yams, winning these games give the team confidence and the fans a boost.

I had a look at the stats for big matches earlier, 2@tynie, 1@ Hampden against der hun, that's about the sum of it recently.

And we've been through about 3 managers since a home one.
Not good enough.

[NAE NOOKIE]

This isn't about the result .... I've walked away from similar or worse cuffings and not felt anything like as deflated as I am by what I watched tonight.

That was like watching a team of professionals take on a pub league team, we were second best in absolutely every area of the park ... summed up nicely by Michael Beale paying us the ultimate insult of putting all his subs on at once as if it was the second half of the first pre season friendly of the season against Brora Rangers or Whitehill Welfare.

I couldn't care less what the difference is in relative budgets or player quality .... for so called professional players to be so comprehensively outplayed by a team in the same league on their own pitch is nothing short of humiliating ... there's a part of me that almost wishes they had scored the 10 goals they could and possibly should have to show in black and white just how absolutely bereft a performance that was from Hibs.

I can't rationalise what I watched tonight ........ I don't want to rationalise it ....... Unacceptable in every way you want to measure it, and the day a 'performance' like that isn't we might as well just pack it in.

[pacoluna]

This isn't about the result .... I've walked away from similar or worse cuffings and not felt anything like as deflated as I am by what I watched tonight.

That was like watching a team of professionals take on a pub league team, we were second best in absolutely every area of the park ... summed up nicely by Michael Beale paying us the ultimate insult of putting all his subs on at once as if it was the second half of the first pre season friendly of the season against Brora Rangers or Whitehill Welfare.

I couldn't care less what the difference is in relative budgets or player quality .... for so called professional players to be so comprehensively outplayed by a team in the same league on their own pitch is nothing short of humiliating ... there's a part of me that almost wishes they had scored the 10 goals they could and possibly should have to show in black and white just how absolutely bereft a performance that was from Hibs.

I can't rationalise what I watched tonight ........ I don't want to rationalise it ....... Unacceptable in every way you want to measure it, and the day a 'performance' like that isn't we might as well just pack it in.

Not that it made any difference today but the 5 sub ruling will widen the gap even more between rangers, Celtic and rest.

[tonyrougier123]

This isn't about the result .... I've walked away from similar or worse cuffings and not felt anything like as deflated as I am by what I watched tonight.

That was like watching a team of professionals take on a pub league team, we were second best in absolutely every area of the park ... summed up nicely by Michael Beale paying us the ultimate insult of putting all his subs on at once as if it was the second half of the first pre season friendly of the season against Brora Rangers or Whitehill Welfare.

I couldn't care less what the difference is in relative budgets or player quality .... for so called professional players to be so comprehensively outplayed by a team in the same league on their own pitch is nothing short of humiliating ... there's a part of me that almost wishes they had scored the 10 goals they could and possibly should have to show in black and white just how absolutely bereft a performance that was from Hibs.

I can't rationalise what I watched tonight ........ I don't want to rationalise it ....... Unacceptable in every way you want to measure it, and the day a 'performance' like that isn't we might as well just pack it in.
I feel similar to yourself after last night.
Fed up seeing us looking dishevelled and disorganised in these games.
They are nowhere near as good as we made them look,folk can go about budgets but it’s nonsense,rangers have had much better squads and always had a bigger budget than us,we just don’t compete in these games full stop just now.

[JimBHibees]

That's a very difficult thing to change without parking the bus.

Rather than parking the bus just be organised defensively,. If you are depending on Youan and Henderson for defensive cover wide in areas they are strong in then you have issues. Add Cadden to that constantly caught out struggles with one to ones doesn't stop crosses then you are struggling. Rangers were very good it had to be said however didn't seem like we had a plan that worked when they had the ball.

[Crunchie]

Missing the point …… the results cancelled each other out. The relative performances and their effects were poles apart.
How did Hearts get on recently when Rangers visited them?

[hibsbollah]

How did Hearts get on recently when Rangers visited them?

A 3-0 hammering that I recall even the sportsound sycophants referred to as ‘could have been ten’.

The gap between hearts (and the rest) and rangers and Celtic is about 30 points. A ridiculous gap at this stage in the season. Our league is ridiculously uncompetitive and I warned my boy going off to the game super confident yesterday that they still have better players than us on five to ten times the salary across the pitch. And we’re still dealing with injuries to key strikers, midfielders. The trend is still upwards for us.

[where'stheslope]

A 3-0 hammering that I recall even the sportsound sycophants referred to as ‘could have been ten’.

The gap between hearts (and the rest) and rangers and Celtic is about 30 points. A ridiculous gap at this stage in the season. Our league is ridiculously uncompetitive and I warned my boy going off to the game super confident yesterday that they still have better players than us on five to ten times the salary across the pitch. And we’re still dealing with injuries to key strikers, midfielders. The trend is still upwards for us.
You think the gap is ridiculous until you look at both Celtic and Rangers benches last night!
Their benches would be stronger than every other team in the Premier division.
We had Nisbet to bring on, they had 7-8 other internationals to bring off their bench.
Its just as well they are only allowed 5!
I said it before, we need to concentrate on the other 10 teams to get wins against, and anything against the Uglies is a bonus!!!

[NAE NOOKIE]

You think the gap is ridiculous until you look at both Celtic and Rangers benches last night!
Their benches would be stronger than every other team in the Premier division.
We had Nisbet to bring on, they had 7-8 other internationals to bring off their bench.
Its just as well they are only allowed 5!
I said it before, we need to concentrate on the other 10 teams to get wins against, and anything against the Uglies is a bonus!!!

That has always been the case for as long as any of us can remember mate. These games are ones where a point is a bonus and that goes for every other team in the league as well. Times where we go into any of these games expecting to win are incredibly rare, you probably have to go back to the 1950s for that.

But what does matter is the level of performance, I've seen worse Hibs teams than this put up a far better and stoic performance against better Hun teams than that one last night. Going down bravely I can accept, utter capitulation I cant.

[SHODAN]

Calmed down from yesterday, but that was still pretty bad.

At least our next game will be a bit eas- never mind

[JimBHibees]

A 3-0 hammering that I recall even the sportsound sycophants referred to as ‘could have been ten’.

The gap between hearts (and the rest) and rangers and Celtic is about 30 points. A ridiculous gap at this stage in the season. Our league is ridiculously uncompetitive and I warned my boy going off to the game super confident yesterday that they still have better players than us on five to ten times the salary across the pitch. And we’re still dealing with injuries to key strikers, midfielders. The trend is still upwards for us.

Think 4 0

[ancient hibee]

That has always been the case for as long as any of us can remember mate. These games are ones where a point is a bonus and that goes for every other team in the league as well. Times where we go into any of these games expecting to win are incredibly rare, you probably have to go back to the 1950s for that.

But what does matter is the level of performance, I've seen worse Hibs teams than this put up a far better and stoic performance against better Hun teams than that one last night. Going down bravely I can accept, utter capitulation I cant.

Yes. There were six years when the two top teams were Rangers and Hibs.Always a pity that the end of that period coincided with Harry Swan coming to the end of his time. Nobody that followed had his breadth of vision.