Hibernian v Kilmarnock

[Stuart93]

We can only do it against ten men eh

[CMac1988]

Got to score there.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

Intent doesn't matter, it was reckless and a clear straight red.

Na no chance imo

[hibee_girl]

What a strange MOM decision.

[Pretty Boy]

Have the rules around throw ins changed? So many today that the thrower has had one foot off the ground when throwing the ball, Cadden being among the worst offenders. That used to be a foul throw but it's gone unpunished so often today I assume the rules changed and I missed it?

[Moulin Yarns]

59% shots on target so far is impressive.

[ChicoM1875]

What a strange MOM decision.

Should have been Youan with all those quality passes

[Smartie]

What a strange MOM decision.

He’s done fine and it’s great to see him get off the mark but there have been many more deserving candidates imo.

[HH81]

Great result. Well done Hibs.

[Victor]

Should have been Youan with all those quality passes

Egan-Riley for me

[SHODAN]

Well done CJ.

[ChicoM1875]

Egan-Riley for me

Was very good. Cleared off the line in the last min too. Jeggo was excellent as well.

[CMac1988]

Egan Riley! Well anticipated. He'd have been my MotM.

[hibee_girl]

He’s done fine and it’s great to see him get off the mark but there have been many more deserving candidates imo.

:agree:

[SHODAN]

Good win. We've massively improved the last month, well done Johnson.

[CentreForward]

What a strange MOM decision.


Who was it?

[Since452]

Well played

[The Captain....]

Killie one of the worst teams I've seen at ER in a long time. Hibs fully deserved win and game died a death after (imo harsh) sending off and subs.

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[Stuart93]

Very good result, we’ve certainly turned a corner.

Decent Hibs win proceeding the birth of my wee boy last night!

Carlsberg weekend

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

Easy three points 👍💚

[Victor]

Who was it?

Hoppe!

[WeeRussell]

Very good result, we’ve certainly turned a corner.

Decent Hibs win proceeding the birth of my wee boy last night!

Carlsberg weekend

Superb and congratulations 👍

[MWHIBBIES]

Absolute stroll

[Since452]

Cigars out today

[CMac1988]

Mon' the Steelmen the moro!

[cabbageandribs1875]

point ahead of St Mirren
two points ahead of Livi who have a game in hand

[easty]

Would we call that second half a “professional performance” and seeing the game out?

Thought Fish, Hanlon and Egan Riley all played really well today. Cabraja not so much.

We should’ve scored more today, Nisbet would’ve got a few.

Take it.

[HendoDelivered]

Top result Hibs

[ElginHibbie]

Felt like we dominated that without having to try, a sign of us developing into a good team

Mcgeady will be a miss but hopefully the others coming back from injury means we can adapt

[WhileTheChief..]

Decent enough result and performance against a Killie side that are equally as bad as Aberdeen were.

They offered absolutely nothing and the result was never in doubt.

[Unseen work]

Really good performance and 3 points.

Should really have been about 4-0 but can’t complain.

Good to see Tavares, Miller, Magennis and JDH back out on the pitch and getting some minutes in their legs

[Unseen work]

Also CJ is some player isn’t he

[easty]

Be interesting to see a replay of the red card.

Booking looked more than enough.

[HarpOnHibee]

Be interesting to see a replay of the red card.

Booking looked more than enough.

I don't think there needs to be much force when the foot is that high off the ground. Straight red for me.

[Stuart93]

Superb and congratulations 👍

Thank you mate

Kick on hibs

[hibee_girl]

I don't think there needs to be much force when the foot is that high off the ground. Straight red for me.

:agree:

I’ve just seen a clip of it on Twitter and I still say it’s a straight red.

A high boot to the head is a red no matter if there was intent or not.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Strolled that today. Only criticism is we should have won by more.

Puts us in a very good position.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Very good result, we’ve certainly turned a corner.

Decent Hibs win proceeding the birth of my wee boy last night!

Carlsberg weekend

Congratulations :aok:

[tamig]

Be interesting to see a replay of the red card.

Booking looked more than enough.

Just about took his heid off.

[hibee_girl]

Here’s the red card clip

https://twitter.com/freddie_23_23/status/1626982435593285634?s=46&t=hXkiYpDtRpMR_Z2UcgOHPw

[Donegal Hibby]

Very much a weakened Hibs team today playing a big physical team that can be awkward to play against , very professional performance by Hibs and a good result. Fish MOM for me .
GGTTH 🇳🇬

[Crunchie]

Very much a weakened Hibs team today playing a big physical team that can be awkward to play against , very professional performance by Hibs and a good result. Fish MOM for me .
GGTTH 🇳🇬
The big man was outstanding again today I'd have given it to him or CJ.

[Scotty Leither]

Very good result, we’ve certainly turned a corner.

Decent Hibs win proceeding the birth of my wee boy last night!

Carlsberg weekend

Congratulations pal. Welcome to the fold, wee man.

[Willis1875]

Would we call that second half a “professional performance” and seeing the game out?

Thought Fish, Hanlon and Egan Riley all played really well today. Cabraja not so much.

We should’ve scored more today, Nisbet would’ve got a few.

Take it.

I thought that was more like the Cabraja we seen in the early part of his Hibs career

[StockholmHibs]

Excellent stuff from the mighty Hibernian.
Makes a huge difference to my personal wellbeing when hibs perform.
Long may this continue.

[Donegal Hibby]

The big man was outstanding again today I'd have given it to him or CJ.
Both were excellent, hard to believe they are only 20 year old.

[B.H.F.C]

I thought that was more like the Cabraja we seen in the early part of his Hibs career

Agree. Didn’t think he merited criticism today.

[hibee_girl]

I thought that was more like the Cabraja we seen in the early part of his Hibs career

:agree:

He was much better today. Even managed to get into a wee scuffle :greengrin

[grunt]

Decent Hibs win proceeding the birth of my wee boy last night!

Carlsberg weekend
Congratulations!

[JamesHFC]

Also CJ is some player isn’t he

I'd be doing everything possible to get him on loan again next season. The prospect of playing in Europe would surely increase our chances.

[HibbyAndy]

Absolutely strolled it

[Brightside]

Very good performance. Should have been 4 up. Structure much better LJ is learning.

[Greenbeard]

Here’s the red card clip

https://twitter.com/freddie_23_23/status/1626982435593285634?s=46&t=hXkiYpDtRpMR_Z2UcgOHPw
Pleased to see Cabraja stay on his feet rather than go to ground and roll backwards and forwards 37 times holding his face like many would have done.

[Since90+2]

Imagine we had Boyle,Nisbet and McGeady fit for the season and playing together. We'd be atleast level with Hearts.

[Northernhibee]

Here’s the red card clip

https://twitter.com/freddie_23_23/status/1626982435593285634?s=46&t=hXkiYpDtRpMR_Z2UcgOHPw
I thought it was a yellow at the game, seeing that it’s a stonewall red card. Endangers another player.

[JamesHFC]

Imagine we had Boyle,Nisbet and McGeady fit for the season and playing together. We'd be atleast level with Hearts.

Gutted we won't be able to see those three play together.

We probably would have won by at least 4 goals today with Boyle & Nisbet in the team.

[CentreForward]

Hoppe!


Thanks. Bit surprising.

[Onceinawhile]

Only 2 downsides: mcgeady getting injured and not bringing the young boys on (for me anyway).

Other than that. Happy days.

[HarpOnHibee]

I thought it was a yellow at the game, seeing that it’s a stonewall red card. Endangers another player.

Derek McInnes saying he didn't even think it was a yellow. :clown:

[CentreForward]

Here’s the red card clip

https://twitter.com/freddie_23_23/status/1626982435593285634?s=46&t=hXkiYpDtRpMR_Z2UcgOHPw



After looking at that clip it’s definitely a red card all day long.

[worcesterhibby]

Great professional performance

[J-C]

Been working all day as was off ill since wednesday, caught up a wee bit on chat and the thing that's coming across seems to be a more harmonious squad with players starting to really gel and click together, onwards and upwards. :thumbsup:

[Smartie]

Very good result, we’ve certainly turned a corner.

Decent Hibs win proceeding the birth of my wee boy last night!

Carlsberg weekend

Congratulations mate, what an exciting time for you.

[J-C]

Very good result, we’ve certainly turned a corner.

Decent Hibs win proceeding the birth of my wee boy last night!

Carlsberg weekend

Congrats Stuart, I'm going to be a granddad again in about 6 weeks, a wee boy too :greengrin

[The Modfather]

Another win against 10 men, like the Aberdeen game :devil:

[Northernhibee]

Hoppe reminds me a bit of Jamie MacLaren. Not particularly strong but never stops working and has a habit of having an inch of space in the box at the right time.

Not my MOTM today but a very good performance.

[JamesHFC]

Hoppe reminds me a bit of Jamie MacLaren. Not particularly strong but never stops working and has a habit of having an inch of space in the box at the right time.

Not my MOTM today but a very good performance.

Impressed with him today. Going to be interesting to see how we set up once Nisbet & Mykola are back.

[basehibby]

Here’s the red card clip

https://twitter.com/freddie_23_23/status/1626982435593285634?s=46&t=hXkiYpDtRpMR_Z2UcgOHPw

Even after seeing that I still think a red is harsh.

Great result and well deserved - that red pretty much killed it as a contest though.

[Onion]

I thought it was a yellow at the game, seeing that it’s a stonewall red card. Endangers another player.

Jings, that's never a red card. Refs have lost the plot. Should be rescinded under appeal.

[WeeRussell]

Jings, that's never a red card. Refs have lost the plot. Should be rescinded under appeal.

Looking at the clip I can see why it’s been given, but think the boy has been really unlucky.

Can’t see it being rescinded though.

[churchie16]

Also CJ is some player isn’t he

A bit like Harry Clarke just enjoy him while he’s here, absolutely strolled it

[Paulie Walnuts]

That’s a red all day. You can’t raise your foot head height when challenging a player.

No doubt there was no malice in it but the guy can’t complain.

[CentreForward]

Think it was given as nowadays you can’t put your leg up that high. Would have been laughable in the old days but not that surprising a decision now.

[CentreForward]

That’s a red all day. You can’t raise your foot head height when challenging a player.

No doubt there was no malice in it but the guy can’t complain.



Agreed.

[Northernhibee]

That’s a red all day. You can’t raise your foot head height when challenging a player.

No doubt there was no malice in it but the guy can’t complain.
The players reaction said it all, I think he knew it was a red.

[Northernhibee]

Tell you what, I was pleased with Cabraja today. Much more like him.

[Allant1981]

Tell you what, I was pleased with Cabraja today. Much more like him.

Yip thought he played well today, his best performance in a while

[JohnM1875]

Here’s the red card clip

https://twitter.com/freddie_23_23/status/1626982435593285634?s=46&t=hXkiYpDtRpMR_Z2UcgOHPw

Thought it was a yellow at the game and now absolutely think it was a yellow.

Regardless of that it's been so long (Aberdeen aside) since we've been that comfortable and in control of a game. Just strolled it from start to finish. A lot of professional performances from what is a really young squad. Really really pleased with that today.

[GreenCastle]

Really good team performance and enjoyed that today.

1st half at times it was a joy to watch - some brilliant football.

Really annoying about McGeady - he was playing well and making things happen.

We were quite open at times but if any fan didn’t enjoy that today I would be asking what else we need to do.

Only moan would be should have scored more goals.

[H18 SFR]

Very good performance. Should have been 4 up. Structure much better LJ is learning.

Totally disagree. Players Learning. LJ’s competence never in doubt.

[HoboHarry]

Totally disagree. Players Learning. LJ’s competence never in doubt.

:agree:

[greenlex]

Looking at the clip I can see why it’s been given, but think the boy has been really unlucky.

Can’t see it being rescinded though.
This is where I am on it. The balls there to be won. Yes his foot is high but it’s more Cabraja runs into him. Booking is about right for me as it was neither forceful or too dangerous. Having said that it won’t be rescinded. Not one player reacted to the challenge and that tells a great deal. Games soft.

[Smartie]

Tell you what, I was pleased with Cabraja today. Much more like him.

I thought he was very good as well.

Liked his corners.

I was surprised to see someone criticise him earlier in this thread although I did see a few people go out their way to defend his performance.

[flash]

Very good result, we’ve certainly turned a corner.

Decent Hibs win proceeding the birth of my wee boy last night!

Carlsberg weekend

Congratulations Stuart.

[RyeSloan]

I thought he was very good as well.

Liked his corners.

I was surprised to see someone criticise him earlier in this thread although I did see a few people go out their way to defend his performance.

I think the was OK, no better or worse than that. He did some good stuff but also some not so good stuff.

Better than he has been though so hopefully one to give him a bit of confidence though and he can continue to improve.

[JohnM1875]

Very good result, we’ve certainly turned a corner.

Decent Hibs win proceeding the birth of my wee boy last night!

Carlsberg weekend

Yasss, congrats mate! Enjoy.

[GreenGray]

Thought we were unreal first half, one of the best I’ve seen us recently could have been 3 or 4 at half time. One criticism would be we need to be more clinical.

Two games in a row I’ve left Easter road very happy and entertained though, promising.


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[Carheenlea]

It not sure what people are seeing in that clip to determine a clear red card? No intent whatsoever, and while the boot is high, I’m not sure I’d even be giving a yellow for that.

A tad dangerous - a final warning would have been suffice.

[Carheenlea]

One of the most enjoyable games of the season for me today. First half in particular was hugely entertaining and we really should have been more than just 1-0 up.

The red card, despite being in our favour, kind of spoiled the game for me, and it just seemed to peter out a bit after that.

The win was the important thing, but to win while playing in such an entertaining manner made it that bit more enjoyable.

Roll on Livingston.

[A Hi-Bee]

All the team played well, felt entertained at the game, 3 points and a clean sheet whats not to like, shame about McGeady, hope we can see him back in a Hibs shirt.
Billy the Fish was my man o the match.
:flag::flag::flag:

[Since452]

We played some sensational stuff today. Especially in the first half when McGeady was on. The ball seems glued to Youans feet sometimes. Like others have said I'd loved to have seen us with all our big players fit and available. We'd be touching third.

[#2 Double Tap]

We played some sensational stuff today. Especially in the first half when McGeady was on. The ball seems glued to Youans feet sometimes. Like others have said I'd loved to have seen us with all our big players fit and available. We'd be touching third.

Would love to see Eli mykola boyle uptop
Think everyone would be terrified :))

[Donegal Hibby]

Highlights of the game and the other games here if anyone wants to watch them .
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/12814300/hibernian-2-0-kilmarnock-scottish-premiership-highlights

[Lago]

Very good performance. Should have been 4 up. Structure much better LJ is learning.
Hibs players are learning, from LJ

[eastterrace]

After looking at that clip it’s definitely a red card all day long.
The games goosed if that’s a red card.

[JimBHibees]

It not sure what people are seeing in that clip to determine a clear red card? No intent whatsoever, and while the boot is high, I’m not sure I’d even be giving a yellow for that.

A tad dangerous - a final warning would have been suffice.

Agree nonsensical decision

[Bishop Hibee]

Never a red card. VAR should be used for offside only.

[MWHIBBIES]

Never a red card. VAR should be used for offside only.

Eh, no. VAR should be used for every major thing the referee misses. Referees make decisions. Today they got it wrong, not VAR.

[Donegal Hibby]

After looking at that clip it’s definitely a red card all day long.
I thought it was a red card all day long too . It's a high foot and would be considered dangerous play .

[1875Sean]

Eh, no. VAR should be used for every major thing the referee misses. Referees make decisions. Today they got it wrong, not VAR.

The issue is the ref never missed that call, gave a yellow card then was called to review it, most times they are under pressure to change their mind, should be clear and obvious things the refs missed, var is getting far too involved

[overdrive]

I’ve mentioned it on the Sportscene thread but I’d have Killie up there with one of the worst teams I’ve seen at ER this season along with that abomination of an Aberdeen team a few weeks ago. I can’t believe pundits thought it was a close scrappy game. We were in a different league to them today.

[MWHIBBIES]

The issue is the ref never missed that call, gave a yellow card then was called to review it, most times they are under pressure to change their mind, should be clear and obvious things the refs missed, var is getting far too involved

Under no pressure to change anything. The var official is who reviewed it and recommended the ref take a second look. That's all. The ref and var official made mistakes (imo at least). The system itself is fine.

[1875Sean]

Under no pressure to change anything. The var official is who reviewed it and recommended the ref take a second look. That's all. The ref and var official made mistakes (imo at least). The system itself is fine.

Of course they are, it’s indicating to the ref they got the wrong call, 9/10 refs go with the var.

Why should they be getting involved in a call when the ref seen it and made a yellow? Don’t think most would have complaint with that decision

[Tambo]

Have just watched the highlights so it's hard to judge individuals but looked like Mcgeady before his injury and Youan looked the standouts.

Gutted for Mcgeady for himself and for the team so let's hope we can get a few more games out of him near the end of the season.

Delighted for Fish with his powerful header and Hoppe with his first for the Club.

Another 3 points and a clean sheet.

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

Have just watched the highlights so it's hard to judge individuals but looked like Mcgeady before his injury and Youan looked the standouts.

Gutted for Mcgeady for himself and for the team so let's hope we can get a few more games out of him near the end of the season.

Delighted for Fish with his powerful header and Hoppe with his first for the Club.

Another 3 points and a clean sheet.

I thought McGeady had a terrible game. Only once put a cross over. Hope he plays for us again but today wasn't his best.

[Donegal Hibby]

Players ratings in EEN .
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-player-ratings-plenty-of-810s-but-one-910-standout-as-hosts-easily-beat-kilmarnock-4032637

[RyeSloan]

I thought McGeady had a terrible game. Only once put a cross over. Hope he plays for us again but today wasn't his best.

He was a bit random but that’s a tad harsh re today I’d say.

He assisted the goal for starters and also played a lovely through ball for Youan when he ended up beating 4 players and they cleared it off the line. And was more than likely about to set up our second just as his hammy went.

He also had two players on him all the time with Cabraja not really understanding what to do to try and help.

He’s been a big influence in our up turn in form and will be a big loss.

[JohnM1875]

I thought McGeady had a terrible game. Only once put a cross over. Hope he plays for us again but today wasn't his best.

He started pretty poor but was getting better as the game went on. Had a few fantastic deliveries, one an excellent corner. Feel for him as that'll likely be him out til after the split now.

[Crunchie]

Very good performance. Should have been 4 up. Structure much better LJ is learning.
Conceited much? :faf:

[Paulie Walnuts]

The issue is the ref never missed that call, gave a yellow card then was called to review it, most times they are under pressure to change their mind, should be clear and obvious things the refs missed, var is getting far too involved

It was as clear and obvious a red as you’re ever likely to see.

[Allant1981]

It was as clear and obvious a red as you’re ever likely to see.

it had to go to var and then slowed down to see it again says it wasn'tas clear and obvious as you make out, the fact that many on here didn't think it was either again says it wasn't as clear and obvious as you make out

[Paulie Walnuts]

it had to go to var and then slowed down to see it again says it wasn'tas clear and obvious as you make out, the fact that many on here didn't think it was either again says it wasn't as clear and obvious as you make out

It was head height with his studs pointing at Cabrajas face. It’s clear and obvious alright.

[Brightside]

it had to go to var and then slowed down to see it again says it wasn'tas clear and obvious as you make out, the fact that many on here didn't think it was either again says it wasn't as clear and obvious as you make out

Spot on. Football isn’t played frame by frame. Watching live it looked a yellow max. Any tackle can look 100 x worse on video.

[B.H.F.C]

It was head height. It’s clear and obvious.

To you maybe but you seem to be in a big minority on that.. The guy was just trying to control the the ball, there wasn’t any force in it. For once, agree with McIness in that Cabraja actually went in to the Killie player.

[Paulie Walnuts]

To you maybe but you seem to be in a big minority on that.. The guy was just trying to control the the ball, there wasn’t any force in it. For once, agree with McIness in that Cabraja actually went in to the Killie player.
There doesn’t need to be force. Force doesn’t come into the decision making when your foot is head height going into a tackle.

[Brightside]

Hibs players are learning, from LJ

Learning to play themselves in their natural positions. 😂

[Allant1981]

It was head height with his studs pointing at Cabrajas face. It’s clear and obvious alright.

So why the need to go to var and slow it down and watch it again and again? I didn't think it was a red at the game and still not convinced now I've seen it again, so what you mean is that it was clear and obvious to you

[Paulie Walnuts]

So why the need to go to var and slow it down and watch it again and again? I didn't think it was a red at the game and still not convinced now I've seen it again, so what you mean is that it was clear and obvious to you

Because that’s how VAR pretty much always works? I don’t think I’ve ever seen a decision go to VAR and he watched once.

What I mean is that it was clear and obvious to me and it was clear and obvious by the rules of the game which is the part that really matters. You can’t go around raising your boot 6 feet in the air for challenges with your opponents.

[MWHIBBIES]

Of course they are, it’s indicating to the ref they got the wrong call, 9/10 refs go with the var.

Why should they be getting involved in a call when the ref seen it and made a yellow? Don’t think most would have complaint with that decision

Because the ref in the var box believed it to be a clear and obvious error.

That's the point. The referee missing something completely isn't really any different from him seeing it and getting it wrong. I personally didn't think it was a red, but it probably was Dangerous play and 2 refs got a second look at it and sent him off.

[B.H.F.C]

There doesn’t need to be force. Force doesn’t come into the decision making when your foot is head height going into a tackle.

It wasn’t a tackle, he was trying to control the ball. Crowd reaction, player reaction (or complete lack of) tells it’s own story. Re refereeing things, probably looking at still images, is garbage.

If force doesn’t come in to it why wasn’t it a red straight away given the ref recognised the high foot?

[Paulie Walnuts]

It wasn’t a tackle, he was trying to control the ball. Crowd reaction, player reaction (or complete lack of) tolls it’s own story. Re refereeing things, probably looking at still images, is garbage.

The two of them have went for the ball. Whether you want to call it a tackle or a challenge or an attempt to control the ball he’s competing with his opponent for the ball. Even if he didn’t realise his opponent was there, he’s still competing with him for it and you can’t compete for the ball with your foot at head height.

As for why wasn’t it a red straight away, we’ve all been watching football long enough to know the refs often get things horribly wrong. I’ve watched hundreds of bad tackles go without the red cards they deserved for example. The whole reason we’ve had to get VAR is so that decisions like this don’t get dealt with incorrectly.

[Since452]

Very good performance. Should have been 4 up. Structure much better LJ is learning.

Lee's managed almost 500 games. Id say the players are learning.

[Jones28]

Youan looked different class from the highlights. Pay the money.

[MWHIBBIES]

Lee's managed almost 500 games. Id say the players are learning.

Indeed.

It's absolutely class that people on here genuinely think they know better than Lee and we're now winning because he's listening to them :faf:

[Paulie Walnuts]

Indeed.

It's absolutely class that people on here genuinely think they know better than Lee and we're now winning because he's listening to them :faf:

Has anybody said that we’re winning because LJ is now listening to them?

[MWHIBBIES]

Youan looked different class from the highlights. Pay the money.

We must. We can't wait 4 months for next seasons Youan to get up to speed like he did.

[MWHIBBIES]

Has anybody said that we’re winning because LJ is now listening to them?

They basically have, yes.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Youan looked different class from the highlights. Pay the money.

He was very good but had a few moments where he completely overplayed it. To his credit though he still seemed to come out the other side with the ball but he’d have been better placed moving it quicker regardless. That being said, I agree, we need to sign him :agree:

[Paulie Walnuts]

They basically have, yes.

Can’t say I’ve seen that.

People have said LJ is learning, nobody has claimed he’s learning off of anyone on here. If he wasn’t learning on the job I’d be concerned.

[Spike Mandela]

According to the rules ‘Serious foul play’ is a sending off offence.

Here is the definition of Serious foul play from the rules…….

Serious foul play

A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul play.

Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play.

Violent conduct

Violent conduct is when a player uses or attempts to use excessive force or brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball, or against a team-mate, team official, match official, spectator or any other person, regardless of whether contact is made.

In addition, a player who, when not challenging for the ball, deliberately strikes an opponent or any other person on the head or face with the hand or arm, is guilty of violent conduct unless the force used was negligible.

A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent. Doesn’t matter if it is excessive force or not, nothing about malice or intent or having your eyes on the ball. I don’t know why we are tying ourselves in knots trying to make out an opponents clear red card isn’t a red card. His foot is at head height clearly endangering an opponent.. Red Card.

[Paulie Walnuts]

According to the rules ‘Serious foul play’ is a sending off offence.

Here is the definition of Serious foul play from the rules…….

Serious foul play

A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul play.

Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play.

Violent conduct

Violent conduct is when a player uses or attempts to use excessive force or brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball, or against a team-mate, team official, match official, spectator or any other person, regardless of whether contact is made.

In addition, a player who, when not challenging for the ball, deliberately strikes an opponent or any other person on the head or face with the hand or arm, is guilty of violent conduct unless the force used was negligible.

A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent. Doesn’t matter if it is excessive force or not, nothing about malice or intentent or having your eyes on the ball. I don’t know why we are tying ourselves in knots trying to make out an opponents clear red card isn’t a red card. His foot is at head height clearly endangering an opponent.. Red Card.

:agree:

His boot catches him at head height. Safe to say it endangered Cabraja.

[hibsbollah]

He was very good but had a few moments where he completely overplayed it. To his credit though he still seemed to come out the other side with the ball but he’d have been better placed moving it quicker regardless. That being said, I agree, we need to sign him :agree:

On the Youan subject, there’s been a lot of chat that his improvement came since the World Cup break. Just checking back, the horrible run we went on losing 4-1 to Aberdeen 2-0 to Ross County and 1-0 to Killie just before the break at the end of October, Youan wasn’t even involved, a few minutes as sub. This corresponded with most of the calls for him to be sent back, not good enough, show pony etc. Just another example of strikers needing a proper run in the team. A few weeks sub appearances isn’t enough to judge.

[O'Rourke3]

According to the rules ‘Serious foul play’ is a sending off offence.

Here is the definition of Serious foul play from the rules…….

Serious foul play

A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul play.

Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play.

Violent conduct

Violent conduct is when a player uses or attempts to use excessive force or brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball, or against a team-mate, team official, match official, spectator or any other person, regardless of whether contact is made.

In addition, a player who, when not challenging for the ball, deliberately strikes an opponent or any other person on the head or face with the hand or arm, is guilty of violent conduct unless the force used was negligible.

A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent. Doesn’t matter if it is excessive force or not, nothing about malice or intent or having your eyes on the ball. I don’t know why we are tying ourselves in knots trying to make out an opponents clear red card isn’t a red card. His foot is at head height clearly endangering an opponent.. Red Card.What does the rule say when the player who is in the serious danger can see the foot up and decides to go in and head it anyway when the man trying to control the ball is committed?

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[Spike Mandela]

What does the rule say when the player who is in the serious danger can see the foot up and decides to go in and head it anyway when the man trying to control the ball is committed?

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Absolutely nothing.

[MWHIBBIES]

On the Youan subject, there’s been a lot of chat that his improvement came since the World Cup break. Just checking back, the horrible run we went on losing 4-1 to Aberdeen 2-0 to Ross County and 1-0 to Killie just before the break at the end of October, Youan wasn’t even involved, a few minutes as sub. This corresponded with most of the calls for him to be sent back, not good enough, show pony etc. Just another example of strikers needing a proper run in the team. A few weeks sub appearances isn’t enough to judge.

He was loads of minutes early on, though. His performances away at Livi and St Mirren early in the season were dreadful.

He's absolutely vital now. Excellent yesterday.

[hibsbollah]

He was loads of minutes early on, though. His performances away at Livi and St Mirren early in the season were dreadful.

He's absolutely vital now. Excellent yesterday.

He did have a decent run early in the season. I was at Paisley and the whole team was shocking to be fair, but the sitter he missed stands out of course. I just hadn’t remembered he had essentially been dropped throughout October.

[blackpoolhibs]

This is where I am on it. The balls there to be won. Yes his foot is high but it’s more Cabraja runs into him. Booking is about right for me as it was neither forceful or too dangerous. Having said that it won’t be rescinded. Not one player reacted to the challenge and that tells a great deal. Games soft.

Yip, the games changed and not for the better. :agree:

[WhileTheChief..]

Indeed.

It's absolutely class that people on here genuinely think they know better than Lee and we're now winning because he's listening to them :faf:

LJ said himself he's learnt a lot since arriving and that the job is a lot harder than he thought when he arrived.

He's now doing the things most of us could see needed doing months ago.

Giggle away all you like.

That you think you better than everyone else is sad, no class about it at all.

[Donegal Hibby]

Gallery picture of the game.
https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/gallery-hibs-go-fourth-with-kilmarnock-win

[MWHIBBIES]

LJ said himself he's learnt a lot since arriving and that the job is a lot harder than he thought when he arrived.

He's now doing the things most of us could see needed doing months ago.

Giggle away all you like.

That you think you better than everyone else is sad, no class about it at all.

I don't. But okay.

What things is he doing that we could all see months ago? I think he's actually just got key players back fit and other ones actually playing well. This forum was not suggesting fixes to our problems. Most were just ranting, calling him David Brent and wanting rid. We were never actually playing that badly. Maybe the odd game.

[easty]

Players ratings in EEN .
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-player-ratings-plenty-of-810s-but-one-910-standout-as-hosts-easily-beat-kilmarnock-4032637

Over the whole game I don’t think Henderson deserved an 8. His first half did.

Think the 7 for Hanlon is harsh. Thought he had a very good game, absolutely strolled it.

6’s for Cadden and Cabraja are fair.

[Smartie]

I don't. But okay.

What things is he doing that we could all see months ago? I think he's actually just got key players back fit and other ones actually playing well. This forum was not suggesting fixes to our problems. Most were just ranting, calling him David Brent and wanting rid. We were never actually playing that badly. Maybe the odd game.

His problem was that a bad game became a bad streak.

Our start to the season was fine and through to the end of September we played some promising stuff, getting acceptable results and we had reason for optimism.

The run up to the World Cup though was pretty dire and I wouldn’t really blame folk for reacting negatively to that and fearing the worst.

Bad derby results will always cause a manager problems and whilst it shouldn’t affect anything, hearing everywhere about how great Hearts are (whether they’re great or not) will always put increased pressure on a Hibs manager.

I like him. I liked our start, I was concerned when we had our dip but I’m pleased he’s got us back on the right track.

Tricky few games coming up though.

[B.H.F.C]

His problem was that a bad game became a bad streak.

Our start to the season was fine and through to the end of September we played some promising stuff, getting acceptable results and we had reason for optimism.

The run up to the World Cup though was pretty dire and I wouldn’t really blame folk for reacting negatively to that and fearing the worst.

Bad derby results will always cause a manager problems and whilst it shouldn’t affect anything, hearing everywhere about how great Hearts are (whether they’re great or not) will always put increased pressure on a Hibs manager.

I like him. I liked our start, I was concerned when we had our dip but I’m pleased he’s got us back on the right track.

Tricky few games coming up though.

The start was only OK if you discounted the disaster that was the League Cup.

I thought he was done after Hearts knocked us out the cup but the reaction has been good. Jeggo has made a big difference but there has been some other enforced changes that he’s had to make, which he probably wouldn’t have otherwise, which might just have been the wee bit of luck he needed.

[Crunchie]

It was as clear and obvious a red as you’re ever likely to see.

I thought so too. Contact or not it was dangerous play.

[Smartie]

The start was only OK if you discounted the disaster that was the League Cup.

I thought he was done after Hearts knocked us out the cup but the reaction has been good. Jeggo has made a big difference but there has been some other enforced changes that he’s had to make, which he probably wouldn’t have otherwise, which might just have been the wee bit of luck he needed.

He was just in the door for the League Cup though and you got the feeling he had to get a few mistakes out his system. The mistakes look bad with hindsight but they weren’t even that unreasonable at the time.

By that I mean - starting Miller and Hauge down the right at Falkirk, starting McClelland in the same game, starting the midfield trio that we as fans knew didn’t work but he didn’t.

It was a big ask for him to hit the ground running there and whilst those results were unacceptable they weren’t exactly unforgivable.

FWIW he gets no such leeway this summer.

[Brightside]

Conceited much? :faf:

In what way is it conceited? He played plenty games without that setup. He even played a CB as a DM. I’d hope he’s learned from his mistakes.

[MWHIBBIES]

In what way is it conceited? He played plenty game with out that setup. He even played a CB as a DM. I’d hope he’s learned from his mistakes.

He did that yesterday too.

[Brightside]

He did that yesterday too.

Egan-Riley is a talented footballer who is comfortable in about 6 different roles. But you knew that.

[blackpoolhibs]

I think LJ learnt that Joe Newell is not an automatic first team pick anymore 5 4 3 2 1.

[weecounty hibby]

I think LJ learnt that Joe Newell is not an automatic first team pick anymore 5 4 3 2 1.

He'd surely gey a game in that formation!! He surely gets in the 1st XV!?

[The Tubs]

The start was only OK if you discounted the disaster that was the League Cup.

I thought he was done after Hearts knocked us out the cup but the reaction has been good. Jeggo has made a big difference but there has been some other enforced changes that he’s had to make, which he probably wouldn’t have otherwise, which might just have been the wee bit of luck he needed.

He couldn’t have dropped Porteous due to the loss of value and the drama it would have caused. I’ll give you Rocky, however.

[Garymcl]

Still a few more players to add to that squad coming back soon looking good one or two will be back for livi game on the 4th march

[Since452]

I think LJ learnt that Joe Newell is not an automatic first team pick anymore 5 4 3 2 1.

I think Newell comes straight back in to the starting 11. One of first names on team sheet.

[hibsbollah]

I think Newell comes straight back in to the starting 11. One of first names on team sheet.

:agree: He was playing well before the injury. Jeggo has helped the balance and hes thriving as is Campbell.

[MWHIBBIES]

Egan-Riley is a talented footballer who is comfortable in about 6 different roles. But you knew that.

''but you knew that''?

Aye okay. He's a natural defender who started in midfield yesterday. But you knew that.


I think LJ learnt that Joe Newell is not an automatic first team pick anymore 5 4 3 2 1.

Walks back in. Key player.

[Kato]

To you maybe but you seem to be in a big minority on that.. The guy was just trying to control the the ball, there wasn’t any force in it. For once, agree with McIness in that Cabraja actually went in to the Killie player.It's not as though the Hibs player is invisible. If Cabraja wasn't there the best way to control the ball is just let it drop to the ground. Since Cabraja is there he challenges early and it results in dangerous play.

Saying that, it's a yellow for me.

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[1van Sprou7e]

Amazing that people in here think that isn't a red card 😂

Absolute textbook sending off, it's not even a debate

[Allant1981]

Amazing that people in here think that isn't a red card 😂

Absolute textbook sending off, it's not even a debate

Why did it have to go to var then

[Since452]

I didn't think it was a red but the Killie players reaction suggested he knew it was.

[1van Sprou7e]

Why did it have to go to var then

I mean it's not a debate when you have the luxury of replays. Making desicions based on live pllay is a different story

[WhileTheChief..]

I don't. But okay.

What things is he doing that we could all see months ago? I think he's actually just got key players back fit and other ones actually playing well. This forum was not suggesting fixes to our problems. Most were just ranting, calling him David Brent and wanting rid. We were never actually playing that badly. Maybe the odd game.

Jeggo and Egan-Riley are half a new midfield.

A lot of us (special mention to Ozhibby) have been saying we need a new midfield for around 2 years now, not just a few months. Not ranting or raving about it, but certainly discussing it a lot as it was crucial to improving our team.

It was glaringly obvious in the summer, but LJ went a different route with his 15 or so signings. He has since come out and said repeatedly that that was wrong.

10 out, 1 in, as an example. The team line up yesterday also being absolute, undeniable, proof, that he we needed a new midfield.

Anyways, we're now giving LJ credit.

You're hung up on slagging us off for saying we're pleased that LJ has now acted on what we were all crying out for!

[blackpoolhibs]

Jeggo and Egan-Riley are half a new midfield.

A lot of us (special mention to Ozhibby) have been saying we need a new midfield for around 2 years now, not just a few months. Not ranting or raving about it, but certainly discussing it a lot as it was crucial to improving our team.

It was glaringly obvious in the summer, but LJ went a different route with his 15 or so signings. He has since come out and said repeatedly that that was wrong.

10 out, 1 in, as an example. The team line up yesterday also being absolute, undeniable, proof, that he we needed a new midfield.

Anyways, we're now giving LJ credit.

You're hung up on slagging us off for saying we're pleased that LJ has now acted on what we were all crying out for!

100% spot on. :agree:

[Brightside]

''but you knew that''?

Aye okay. He's a natural defender who started in midfield yesterday. But you knew that.



Walks back in. Key player.

You just can’t help but argue any point constantly. I’ll add you to ignore to save us both more time in the sin bin.

[Ronniekirk]

His problem was that a bad game became a bad streak.

Our start to the season was fine and through to the end of September we played some promising stuff, getting acceptable results and we had reason for optimism.

The run up to the World Cup though was pretty dire and I wouldn’t really blame folk for reacting negatively to that and fearing the worst.

Bad derby results will always cause a manager problems and whilst it shouldn’t affect anything, hearing everywhere about how great Hearts are (whether they’re great or not) will always put increased pressure on a Hibs manager.

I like him. I liked our start, I was concerned when we had our dip but I’m pleased he’s got us back on the right track.

Tricky few games coming up though.

streaky Lee is his nickname We are currently on a winning streak Whst we can’t afford to do your this next set of seven fixtures is go on a winless streak again
The new loan players plus Jeggo have all been positives and are improving us Let’s hope they can all stay fit Fish after being played out of position v Hearts is probably performing more consistently than Porto was Agsin let’s hope he keeps this up
Add that to plsyets returning g from injury and we are looking good
Keeping those same players injury free is the big ? and nd probably crucial if we are to finish fourth

[easty]

I think LJ learnt that Joe Newell is not an automatic first team pick anymore 5 4 3 2 1.

No chance. Newell would’ve strolled it yesterday.

Straight back into the starting lineup.

[B.H.F.C]

Jeggo and Egan-Riley are half a new midfield.

A lot of us (special mention to Ozhibby) have been saying we need a new midfield for around 2 years now, not just a few months. Not ranting or raving about it, but certainly discussing it a lot as it was crucial to improving our team.

It was glaringly obvious in the summer, but LJ went a different route with his 15 or so signings. He has since come out and said repeatedly that that was wrong.

10 out, 1 in, as an example. The team line up yesterday also being absolute, undeniable, proof, that he we needed a new midfield.

Anyways, we're now giving LJ credit.

You're hung up on slagging us off for saying we're pleased that LJ has now acted on what we were all crying out for!

Biggest difference for me is that Jeggo is a proper natural in the position he’s being asked to play. It’s not a case of asking someone to do something that isn’t natural to them like we’ve seen for so much of the last two years.

Also thought Egan-Riley was very good and you could see he’s been schooled at a club like Man City. Very comfortable with both feet. Small thing but just makes it easier to keep the ball moving quickly.

I wouldn’t change anything we don’t have to change for the Livingston game.

[Northernhibee]

No chance. Newell would’ve strolled it yesterday.

Straight back into the starting lineup.
What the last handful of games has shown us is not that we need a new midfield, just that it’s good to have midfield options and the ability to rest players or cover suspensions and injuries.

[CapitalGreen]

I think LJ learnt that Joe Newell is not an automatic first team pick anymore 5 4 3 2 1.

It was nice to see our defensive midfielder Jeggo getting in the opposition box and helping create the 2nd goal yesterday. I’ve been told a number of times that I shouldn’t expect Newell to get involved in the final third when playing that role.

[WeeRussell]

Jeggo and Egan-Riley are half a new midfield.

A lot of us (special mention to Ozhibby) have been saying we need a new midfield for around 2 years now, not just a few months. Not ranting or raving about it, but certainly discussing it a lot as it was crucial to improving our team.

It was glaringly obvious in the summer, but LJ went a different route with his 15 or so signings. He has since come out and said repeatedly that that was wrong.

10 out, 1 in, as an example. The team line up yesterday also being absolute, undeniable, proof, that he we needed a new midfield.

Anyways, we're now giving LJ credit.

You're hung up on slagging us off for saying we're pleased that LJ has now acted on what we were all crying out for!

For me the midfield has absolutely been the biggest issue needing addressed at Hibs for well over a year now. There may have been attempts to fix it but we haven’t managed to until (hopefully) now. Fingers crossed the couple of additions will signal a big turnaround in the middle of the park.

[blackpoolhibs]

It was nice to see our defensive midfielder Jeggo getting in the opposition box and helping create the 2nd goal yesterday. I’ve been told a number of times that I shouldn’t expect Newell to get involved in the final third when playing that role.

Aye but he scored against Bonnyrigg, wtf was he doing so far up the park?

Seriously, he's been an automatic pick in a midfield that has been average to poor for way too long. In my opinion Newell takes too many touches, take too many easy passes, and slows the game down to a snails pace.

Yesterday showed how we attacked and hit the ball forward more often, especially in the first half, it was exciting and good to watch.

I dont think having Newell in the side we'd have seen that as much.

[MWHIBBIES]

Aye but he scored against Bonnyrigg, wtf was he doing so far up the park?

Seriously, he's been an automatic pick in a midfield that has been average to poor for way too long. In my opinion Newell takes too many touches, take too many easy passes, and slows the game down to a snails pace.

Yesterday showed how we attacked and hit the ball forward more often, especially in the first half, it was exciting and good to watch.

I dont think having Newell in the side we'd have seen that as much.

Who scored the winner last time we beat Kilmarnock?

[blackpoolhibs]

Who scored the winner last time we beat Kilmarnock?

I'm sure you know. :faf:

[J-C]

Yip, the games changed and not for the better. :agree:


I think any player going to header a ball at that height, isn't expecting to have a size 10 boot kick him in the puss, could've been worse if it was near the eye, I thought it was a clear red but I can understand the argument for it being a yellow as there was no malice or intent to endanger the player, he went to win the ball. Funnily enough the KIllie player didn't look to upset went he went off, so maybe he realised himself.

[WeeRussell]

Who scored the winner last time we beat Kilmarnock?

Some debate the term ‘winner’ with these score lines but I’d say Will Fish.

[brydekirk]

How the f is that one nil, some tremendous performances

It's all about footballing IQ
Making the wrong decisions around the box.

[RIP]

Jeggo and Egan-Riley are half a new midfield.

A lot of us (special mention to Ozhibby) have been saying we need a new midfield for around 2 years now, not just a few months. Not ranting or raving about it, but certainly discussing it a lot as it was crucial to improving our team.

I would have said ALL OF US personally 😄


It was glaringly obvious in the summer, but LJ went a different route with his 15 or so signings. He has since come out and said repeatedly that that was wrong.

10 out, 1 in, as an example. The team line up yesterday also being absolute, undeniable, proof, that he we needed a new midfield.


The club, under Ron, Ben and Ian, were trying a different recruitment strategy of creating a development team and signing 'players for the future' most of whom were spectacularly unsuited for first team football.

That signing approach started in Maloney's time and he and then Johnson were recruited to manage the squad on that basis.

Before Christmas, Lee and Robbie instituted a management review with the board, the outcome of which was a conclusion that the club was bloated with unsuitable players whilst failing to address the glaring deficiencies in the first team.

Since then, the board has agreed to recruit a DoF and allowed Lee to ship out the players he didn't sign and didn't want. It's pretty clear that Lee has full control now and is starting to mould the team and implement a playing style.


Anyways, we're now giving LJ credit.

You're hung up on slagging us off for saying we're pleased that LJ has now acted on what we were all crying out for!

Feel free to take the credit for Lee's achievements. The rest of us will content ourselves with an appreciation of his management abilities.

[JimBHibees]

Aye but he scored against Bonnyrigg, wtf was he doing so far up the park?

Seriously, he's been an automatic pick in a midfield that has been average to poor for way too long. In my opinion Newell takes too many touches, take too many easy passes, and slows the game down to a snails pace.

Yesterday showed how we attacked and hit the ball forward more often, especially in the first half, it was exciting and good to watch.

I dont think having Newell in the side we'd have seen that as much.

Totally agree wouldn't bring Newell back in after the midfield yesterday played so well. As you say he has been a key part of an average area of the team. Make him earn his place for once.

[WhileTheChief..]

I would have said ALL OF US personally 😄



The club, under Ron, Ben and Ian, were trying a different recruitment strategy of creating a development team and signing 'players for the future' most of whom were spectacularly unsuited for first team football.

That signing approach started in Maloney's time and he and then Johnson were recruited to manage the squad on that basis.

Before Christmas, Lee and Robbie instituted a management review with the board, the outcome of which was a conclusion that the club was bloated with unsuitable players whilst failing to address the glaring deficiencies in the first team.

Since then, the board has agreed to recruit a DoF and allowed Lee to ship out the players he didn't sign and didn't want. It's pretty clear that Lee has full control now and is starting to mould the team and implement a playing style.



Feel free to take the credit for Lee's achievements. The rest of us will content ourselves with an appreciation of his management abilities.


Nah, some of you were content with LJ playing all the nonsense signings, telling the rest of us we were wrong and to give it time.

I remember posters like yourself raving about Melkerson, Kenneh and the others we've forgotten about already, when we signed them.

Turns out LJ agreed with the rest of us all along and has since binned them. You'd still be playing Bojangles up front no doubt as he showed potential one day in Tesco.

[Donegal Hibby]

Why did it have to go to var then
Direct red cards is one of the four situations that VARS suppose to be involved in , it happened in the St Mirren v Ross county game as well mate when a Ross county player got his marching orders after it was checked. Rule on it says VAR can only recommend action to the referee and it's the referee has the final say .

[RIP]

Nah, some of you were content with LJ playing all the nonsense signings, telling the rest of us we were wrong and to give it time.

I remember posters like yourself raving about Melkerson, Kenneh and the others we've forgotten about already, when we signed them.

Turns out LJ agreed with the rest of us all along and has since binned them. You'd still be playing Bojangles up front no doubt as he showed potential one day in Tesco.

Give it up buddy. Your attempts to split supporters into us and them only exists in your mind.

This board is a place where a spectrum of views exist and our supporters happily seesaw between suicidal and euphoric, rose-tinted specs and we are all doomed. One minute we are writing off players like Campbell and Youan then a few weeks later stating that they just needed time.

Nae need whatsoever for the personal insults. Let's just enjoy a run of good form and give credit to the coaching team for convincing the board they were following a failing strategy.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Nah, some of you were content with LJ playing all the nonsense signings, telling the rest of us we were wrong and to give it time.

I remember posters like yourself raving about Melkerson, Kenneh and the others we've forgotten about already, when we signed them.

Turns out LJ agreed with the rest of us all along and has since binned them. You'd still be playing Bojangles up front no doubt as he showed potential one day in Tesco.

I’d have kept Bojang


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[Crunchie]

Nah, some of you were content with LJ playing all the nonsense signings, telling the rest of us we were wrong and to give it time.

I remember posters like yourself raving about Melkerson, Kenneh and the others we've forgotten about already, when we signed them.

Turns out LJ agreed with the rest of us all along and has since binned them. You'd still be playing Bojangles up front no doubt as he showed potential one day in Tesco.
They were played because we had a horrendous injury list, it seemed to get worse as the weeks went by. You and others didn't want him to get the window calling him all sorts of names into the bargain.
Have a bit of grace and admit you were wrong and move on without this we told him what was needed pish.

[MWHIBBIES]

They were played because we had a horrendous injury list, it seemed to get worse as the weeks went by. You and others didn't want him to get the window calling him all sorts of names into the bargain.
Have a bit of grace and admit you were wrong and move on without this we told him what was needed pish.

:faf:

[JimBHibees]

I would have said ALL OF US personally 😄



The club, under Ron, Ben and Ian, were trying a different recruitment strategy of creating a development team and signing 'players for the future' most of whom were spectacularly unsuited for first team football.

That signing approach started in Maloney's time and he and then Johnson were recruited to manage the squad on that basis.

Before Christmas, Lee and Robbie instituted a management review with the board, the outcome of which was a conclusion that the club was bloated with unsuitable players whilst failing to address the glaring deficiencies in the first team.

Since then, the board has agreed to recruit a DoF and allowed Lee to ship out the players he didn't sign and didn't want. It's pretty clear that Lee has full control now and is starting to mould the team and implement a playing style.



Feel free to take the credit for Lee's achievements. The rest of us will content ourselves with an appreciation of his management abilities.

Who is Robbie?

[Hiber-nation]

Who is Robbie?

That's what I was wondering too.

[WhileTheChief..]

They were played because we had a horrendous injury list, it seemed to get worse as the weeks went by. You and others didn't want him to get the window calling him all sorts of names into the bargain.
Have a bit of grace and admit you were wrong and move on without this we told him what was needed pish.

Nope, I never called him names at all.

I’d have replaced him though, probably still would. But I’m happy that we’re picking up points now and hope it continues.

If he goes on another run of 1 win in 10 or so, then yeah, I’d be back to calling for him to be sacked.

[WhileTheChief..]

They were played because we had a horrendous injury list, it seemed to get worse as the weeks went by. You and others didn't want him to get the window calling him all sorts of names into the bargain.
Have a bit of grace and admit you were wrong and move on without this we told him what was needed pish.

But we did!!

The vast majority of us on where we’re 100% right in what was needed and it’s taken him until now to change it and fix it. He’s admitted that himself.

[WhileTheChief..]

Give it up buddy. Your attempts to split supporters into us and them only exists in your mind.

This board is a place where a spectrum of views exist and our supporters happily seesaw between suicidal and euphoric, rose-tinted specs and we are all doomed. One minute we are writing off players like Campbell and Youan then a few weeks later stating that they just needed time.

Nae need whatsoever for the personal insults. Let's just enjoy a run of good form and give credit to the coaching team for convincing the board they were following a failing strategy.

It’s not about us and then.

It’s about a handful of supporters like you that think you’re way better than the rest of us cause you lap up everything the club says and think anyone with a dissenting voice is wrong.

[Since452]

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But we did!!

The vast majority of us on where we’re 100% right in what was needed and it’s taken him until now to change it and fix it. He’s admitted that himself.

I suppose he changed and fixed it at the earliest opportunity he could. The January transfer window.

[WhileTheChief..]

I suppose he changed and fixed it at the earliest opportunity he could. The January transfer window.

Agreed, and he's getting credit for it.

I just don't see the point in posters like i quoted coming on here scoffing at the rest of us for calling for the change when we did.

[Crunchie]

Agreed, and he's getting credit for it.

I just don't see the point in posters like i quoted coming on here scoffing at the rest of us for calling for the change when we did.
The rest of you as you call yourselves wanted shot of him after the Falkirk game, and some even before that. Some didn't want him getting the gig in the first place because of the Hearts connection and have been against him from day 1.

I'd like to think we're all in the same boat, wanting us winning and being successful, but as you've already stated you'll be calling for him to be sacked if we go on another bad run, that says it all for me.

[Crunchie]

Agreed, and he's getting credit for it.

I just don't see the point in posters like i quoted coming on here scoffing at the rest of us for calling for the change when we did.
You didn't want him getting the window though, but it's good of you giving him credit.

I'm not scoffing either, just reminding you your opinion of him and that it had absolutely nothing to do with him listening to you or anyone else on here, despite you thinking otherwise.

[WhileTheChief..]

The rest of you as you call yourselves wanted shot of him after the Falkirk game, and some even before that. Some didn't want him getting the gig in the first place because of the Hearts connection and have been against him from day 1.

I'd like to think we're all in the same boat, wanting us winning and being successful, but as you've already stated you'll be calling for him to be sacked if we go on another bad run, that says it all for me.

I don't think it's an unusual stance I'm taking.

I want our club to be successful. 1 win in 10 won't do that, so yeah, I'd bring in a new manager if it happens again.

'that says it all for me' , erm , ok, not too sure what to make of that or why you posted it, but hey-ho.

[WhileTheChief..]

You didn't want him getting the window though, but it's good of you giving him credit.

I'm not scoffing either, just reminding you your opinion of him and that it had absolutely nothing to do with him listening to you or anyone else on here, despite you thinking otherwise.

Why?

[WhileTheChief..]

You didn't want him getting the window though, but it's good of you giving him credit.

I'm not scoffing either, just reminding you your opinion of him and that it had absolutely nothing to do with him listening to you or anyone else on here, despite you thinking otherwise.

Also, if you read back my posts, I never once said he changed things because of what I or anybody else posted on here, that's a ridiculous suggestion.

What I said, was that now he's made the changes that we could all see were needed, things have improved.

There's a difference there, even if you chose not to see it.

[Crunchie]

Also, if you read back my posts, I never once said he changed things because of what I or anybody else posted on here, that's a ridiculous suggestion.

What I said, was that now he's made the changes that we could all see were needed, things have improved.

There's a difference there, even if you chose not to see it.
I don't think it's ridiculous but as you say, hey ho we'll agree to disagree.

I could have quoted another poster with your viewpoint it just so happened I was lazy and quoted the last one I saw.

[SaulGoodman]

Good win on Saturday though eh

[Crunchie]

Good win on Saturday though eh
It should have been 7 Killie are rubbish :greengrin

[Smartie]

I don't think it's an unusual stance I'm taking.

I want our club to be successful. 1 win in 10 won't do that, so yeah, I'd bring in a new manager if it happens again.

'that says it all for me' , erm , ok, not too sure what to make of that or why you posted it, but hey-ho.

There's normally a wider context a manager situation as well though. Club owners, financial clout, ability of recruitment team, ability of players already at the club relative to expectation when the manager arrived etc etc.

It's funny how often clubs who give the manager the bullet after disappointing results over a 10 game spell will find itself in a permanent state of crisis and facing the same situation again within a few months whilst those who don't get too up nor down depending on results over a short period will tend to do a bit better in the long term.

I'm all for punting managers when they fail to reach certain targets, it's on them and you can't see them bringing about the necessary improvement (hiya Shaun) but the time for us to be bulleting managers is either when we need to avoid disaster pronto or when we've failed to make top 6 (or similar) and it suits us best to have some time to source the best possible next man.


I reckon Johnsons's biggest problem at Hibs was that his name was mentioned next to Hollywood options like Roy Keane and Jon Dahl Tommason. He's not exotic enough and was up against it from the start with many.

[Crunchie]

There's normally a wider context a manager situation as well though. Club owners, financial clout, ability of recruitment team, ability of players already at the club relative to expectation when the manager arrived etc etc.

It's funny how often clubs who give the manager the bullet after disappointing results over a 10 game spell will find itself in a permanent state of crisis and facing the same situation again within a few months whilst those who don't get too up nor down depending on results over a short period will tend to do a bit better in the long term.

I'm all for punting managers when they fail to reach certain targets, it's on them and you can't see them bringing about the necessary improvement (hiya Shaun) but the time for us to be bulleting managers is either when we need to avoid disaster pronto or when we've failed to make top 6 (or similar) and it suits us best to have some time to source the best possible next man.


I reckon Johnsons's biggest problem at Hibs was that his name was mentioned next to Hollywood options like Roy Keane and Jon Dahl Tommason. He's not exotic enough and was up against it from the start with many.
A vg post and especially your last paragraph :agree:

[WhileTheChief..]

There's normally a wider context a manager situation as well though. Club owners, financial clout, ability of recruitment team, ability of players already at the club relative to expectation when the manager arrived etc etc.

It's funny how often clubs who give the manager the bullet after disappointing results over a 10 game spell will find itself in a permanent state of crisis and facing the same situation again within a few months whilst those who don't get too up nor down depending on results over a short period will tend to do a bit better in the long term.

I'm all for punting managers when they fail to reach certain targets, it's on them and you can't see them bringing about the necessary improvement (hiya Shaun) but the time for us to be bulleting managers is either when we need to avoid disaster pronto or when we've failed to make top 6 (or similar) and it suits us best to have some time to source the best possible next man.


I reckon Johnsons's biggest problem at Hibs was that his name was mentioned next to Hollywood options like Roy Keane and Jon Dahl Tommason. He's not exotic enough and was up against it from the start with many.

All fair enough.

I think the Hibs support has been tremendous this season. The crowds have held up nicely and there wasn't a single chant of 'Lee must Go' or similar at any of our games.

LJ has also said on numerous occasions that the support has been brilliant.

It's only a few posters on here that keep having constant digs at other fans, even now when we're doing well!!

[Donegal Hibby]

There's normally a wider context a manager situation as well though. Club owners, financial clout, ability of recruitment team, ability of players already at the club relative to expectation when the manager arrived etc etc.

It's funny how often clubs who give the manager the bullet after disappointing results over a 10 game spell will find itself in a permanent state of crisis and facing the same situation again within a few months whilst those who don't get too up nor down depending on results over a short period will tend to do a bit better in the long term.

I'm all for punting managers when they fail to reach certain targets, it's on them and you can't see them bringing about the necessary improvement (hiya Shaun) but the time for us to be bulleting managers is either when we need to avoid disaster pronto or when we've failed to make top 6 (or similar) and it suits us best to have some time to source the best possible next man.


I reckon Johnsons's biggest problem at Hibs was that his name was mentioned next to Hollywood options like Roy Keane and Jon Dahl Tommason. He's not exotic enough and was up against it from the start with many.
When Johnson was on the bad run I actually understood why some on here wanted him out even though I felt he needed more time due to injuries and having inherited poor players from previous manager's though what I could never fathom out was some of the names that people wanted and Roy Keane being one that continuously gets mentioned for the Hibs job when it becomes available.

What's he done in management to be so wanted by certain Hibs fans ? Answer absolutely nothing and not only that but he's a time bomb waiting to go off and would ruin Hibs . He's caused mayhem before Saipan with Ireland , it was even reported that the Sunderland players celebrated when he was sacked as there manager , Neil Lennon is another that I'd put in this bracket who imo failed in the end up and caused mayhem at the club too and why anyone would want to see Hibs taking a backward step by appointing him again is beyond me.

Two other names in Martindale and McInnes were also mentioned as LJ successors and when you watch there team's play it's a style of football that I think would see the gates drop dramatically at ER as the football is brutal. I'm probably wrong with this but it feels to me at times like a small minority want LJ to fail so they can say " I told you so " or just they would like a manager change though Keane , Lennon, Martindale and McInnes I don't see as being any better than the one we have and the thought of any of them becoming Hibs manager is a very scary thought actually.

[WeeRussell]

When Johnson was on the bad run I actually understood why some on here wanted him out even though I felt he needed more time due to injuries and having inherited poor players from previous manager's though what I could never fathom out was some of the names that people wanted and Roy Keane being one that continuously gets mentioned for the Hibs job when it becomes available.

What's he done in management to be so wanted by certain Hibs fans ? Answer absolutely nothing and not only that but he's a time bomb waiting to go off and would ruin Hibs . He's caused mayhem before Saipan with Ireland , it was even reported that the Sunderland players celebrated when he was sacked as there manager , Neil Lennon is another that I'd put in this bracket who imo failed in the end up and caused mayhem at the club too and why anyone would want to see Hibs taking a backward step by appointing him again is beyond me.

Two other names in Martindale and McInnes were also mentioned as LJ successors and when you watch there team's play it's a style of football that I think would see the gates drop dramatically at ER as the football is brutal. I'm probably wrong with this but it feels to me at times like a small minority want LJ to fail so they can say " I told you so " or just they would like a manager change though Keane , Lennon, Martindale and McInnes I don't see as being any better than the one we have and the thought of any of them becoming Hibs manager is a very scary thought actually.

I have to agree to some extent in that I have found myself losing patience with LJ earlier this season, but never once would I have swapped him for any of the other names you’ve mentioned above.

[Northernhibee]

After wanting Appleton over LJ and seeing Sunderland fan's thoughts on him, I wasn't too keen on him signing but was enthused when I found out more about him. Backed him for the most part but when that bad run got to the derbies, ended up in the LJ out camp despite defending him most of the way.

It was a disaster of a run and although we're only five points behind Hearts, it's worth reminding they had really dire injury problems when they were in Europe which seemed to impact them a bit back then. If we'd curtailed that bad run or even just picked up a few more draws in there then we'd be much closer.

I don't think you can blame people for getting completely pissed off with that run of results because it lasted for quite a few games and if it were to happen again, I'm not so sure he'd survive a second run like that.

Big credit on the turnaround though as that's a very difficult thing to do.

[matty_f]

There's normally a wider context a manager situation as well though. Club owners, financial clout, ability of recruitment team, ability of players already at the club relative to expectation when the manager arrived etc etc.

It's funny how often clubs who give the manager the bullet after disappointing results over a 10 game spell will find itself in a permanent state of crisis and facing the same situation again within a few months whilst those who don't get too up nor down depending on results over a short period will tend to do a bit better in the long term.

I'm all for punting managers when they fail to reach certain targets, it's on them and you can't see them bringing about the necessary improvement (hiya Shaun) but the time for us to be bulleting managers is either when we need to avoid disaster pronto or when we've failed to make top 6 (or similar) and it suits us best to have some time to source the best possible next man.


I reckon Johnsons's biggest problem at Hibs was that his name was mentioned next to Hollywood options like Roy Keane and Jon Dahl Tommason. He's not exotic enough and was up against it from the start with many.

Very good post.

[blackpoolhibs]

After wanting Appleton over LJ and seeing Sunderland fan's thoughts on him, I wasn't too keen on him signing but was enthused when I found out more about him. Backed him for the most part but when that bad run got to the derbies, ended up in the LJ out camp despite defending him most of the way.

It was a disaster of a run and although we're only five points behind Hearts, it's worth reminding they had really dire injury problems when they were in Europe which seemed to impact them a bit back then. If we'd curtailed that bad run or even just picked up a few more draws in there then we'd be much closer.

I don't think you can blame people for getting completely pissed off with that run of results because it lasted for quite a few games and if it were to happen again, I'm not so sure he'd survive a second run like that.

Big credit on the turnaround though as that's a very difficult thing to do.

Most managers dont get the chance.

[Brightside]

I have to agree to some extent in that I have found myself losing patience with LJ earlier this season, but never once would I have swapped him for any of the other names you’ve mentioned above.

Agreed.

[Northernhibee]

Most managers dont get the chance.
It’s largely because more often than not, a turnaround doesn’t happen.

Aberdeen are a prime example of sticking with a manager for too long. When McInnes got punted, he was on a very, very long run of dreadful form and performances. It was clear that Goodwin was toast and was allowed for that to run into Darvel and a 6-0 thumping from Europe chasing rivals.

It takes a lot of soul searching and admitting then rectifying mistakes made to be able to do that, and even then you need to have the trust of those around you.

Very tough thing to do and LJ gets a lot of credit for that.

[blackpoolhibs]

It’s largely because more often than not, a turnaround doesn’t happen.

Aberdeen are a prime example of sticking with a manager for too long. When McInnes got punted, he was on a very, very long run of dreadful form and performances. It was clear that Goodwin was toast and was allowed for that to run into Darvel and a 6-0 thumping from Europe chasing rivals.

It takes a lot of soul searching and admitting then rectifying mistakes made to be able to do that, and even then you need to have the trust of those around you.

Very tough thing to do and LJ gets a lot of credit for that.

I was actually thinking about Hibs managers, especially one's who'd actually achieved things at the club in the past, not one's who have achieved little like LJ.