So the runners and riders are...

[Ozyhibby]

She raised concerns on Thursday in the middle of the election. This is Monday. What do you think changed?

First of all, the numbers she asked for have been supplied. The CEO has also had to stand aside, vindicating her insistence that they were supplied.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Ash Regan asks that the votes are paused. Each member can send one email to members and members have the chance to change vote.

https://mobile.twitter.com/AshReganSNP/status/1637774947413106688

[Ozyhibby]

Ash Regan asks that the votes are paused. Each member can send one email to members and members have the chance to change vote.

https://mobile.twitter.com/AshReganSNP/status/1637774947413106688

Actually, that’s not an unreasonable request. And she hasn’t asked for a pause.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Actually, that’s not an unreasonable request. And she hasn’t asked for a pause.


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A pause or an extension she said on the radio although both pretty much the same. Makes sense as there has been a huge shift in circumstances since the voting was opened

[archie]

Actually, that’s not an unreasonable request. And she hasn’t asked for a pause.


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This is not normal. People being given the chance to change their vote in the middle of an election! Either run it again or leave as it is.

[Santa Cruz]

Actually, that’s not an unreasonable request. And she hasn’t asked for a pause.


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Showing some real insight into a WM voting process in 2015, did she not begin her political career in 2016? All the same, good suggestion from Alec Salmond :greengrin

[Mibbes Aye]

Surely all those Labour/Tory coalitions are humming along nicely?[emoji23]


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I really wasn’t being party political with that one. I was thinking especially of Edinburgh where we’ve seen all manners of arrangements, councillors going independent etc etc.

[Ozyhibby]

This is not normal. People being given the chance to change their vote in the middle of an election! Either run it again or leave as it is.

Until voting closes then there should be no problem with people wishing to change their vote. It’s perfectly possible technically so why not?


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[WhileTheChief..]

https://www.ft.com/content/17a1fffc-d820-49c5-a5a7-d588332dc10a

Path to independence starts with respect for unionists, says SNP leadership candidate

“I’m very conscious that our political discourse has become extremely vitriolic, toxic, angry, disrespectful,” Forbes said, stressing the SNP’s need to win people over to independence.“That needs to start with respect and it needs to start with listening, which is a fundamentally different approach,” she said. "I'm popular across most political divides and surely that's the kind of person you want to lead your party and your country."

It surprises me, bearing in mind how quickly Forbes has trashed Sturgeon's government, why nobody has really asked her why she stayed in post. And does making a virtue of 'being popular' with her party's opponents make her popular with the SNP membership?

This is fantastic to hear. People from the SNP leadership actually respecting the views of others is certainly new!!

For years we had NS stoking the hatred towards so many of us. Anyone not agreeing with her was called all sorts of names.

If she had adopted some of what Forbes' is proposing she'd have been a lot closer to Indy.

Now we can at least look forward with a bit of optimism and enthusiasm instead of just blaming anyone that doesn't agree with NS.

[He's here!]

Or thinks she's winning?

Yes, that too. It seems to be what Iain Macwhirter's implying:

Iain Macwhirter (https://twitter.com/iainmacwhirter)
@iainmacwhirter
(https://twitter.com/iainmacwhirter)Forbes has "full confidence and trust" in the SNP election process which would shame a banana republic? Even though thousands of SNP members voted last week before everyone from Murrell down resigned in disgrace. Does she know something we don't?

[He's here!]

This is fantastic to hear. People from the SNP leadership actually respecting the views of others is certainly new!!

For years we had NS stoking the hatred towards so many of us. Anyone not agreeing with her was called all sorts of names.

If she had adopted some of what Forbes' is proposing she'd have been a lot closer to Indy.

Now we can at least look forward with a bit of optimism and enthusiasm instead of just blaming anyone that doesn't agree with NS.

Yet it was an infectious mindset among her more partisan devotees. Will that mindset be so easily shifted?

[WhileTheChief..]

Yet it was an infectious mindset among her more partisan devotees. Will that mindset be so easily shifted?

I think so. I think we're already seeing it.

Even the tone on here is different to a couple of weeks ago!

[archie]

Until voting closes then there should be no problem with people wishing to change their vote. It’s perfectly possible technically so why not?


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Because it can lead to lots of claims about irregularities. There's also the matter of postal votes. I think the cleanest option is to start again or stick with it. Given the Keystone Cops nature of the process to date does it need more chaos?

[Ozyhibby]

Yes, that too. It seems to be what Iain Macwhirter's implying:

Iain Macwhirter (https://twitter.com/iainmacwhirter)
@iainmacwhirter
(https://twitter.com/iainmacwhirter)Forbes has "full confidence and trust" in the SNP election process which would shame a banana republic? Even though thousands of SNP members voted last week before everyone from Murrell down resigned in disgrace. Does she know something we don't?

OMG, Forbes has access to live voting data? This is an incredible turn of events. Wait till Regan finds out about that. [emoji23]
Won’t be long before Macwhirter is on GBnews.


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[Santa Cruz]

OMG, Forbes has access to live voting data? This is an incredible turn of events. Wait till Regan finds out about that. [emoji23]
Won’t be long before Macwhirter is on GBnews.


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Maybe knows something else unrelated to voting data. This is all getting a bit like of a game of cluedo :greengrin:greengrin

[He's here!]

Because it can lead to lots of claims about irregularities. There's also the matter of postal votes. I think the cleanest option is to start again or stick with it. Given the Keystone Cops nature of the process to date does it need more chaos?

Exactly. Even if the vote continues uninterrupted it will always carry accusations of being tainted. To start allowing those who've already voted to change their vote would set a crazy precedent. As you say it's Keystone Cops stuff.

[Ozyhibby]

Exactly. Even if the vote continues uninterrupted it will always carry accusations of being tainted. To start allowing those who've already voted to change their vote would set a crazy precedent. As you say it's Keystone Cops stuff.

Nonsense. Until deadline there is nothing standing in the way of letting people change their votes. I think it will happen because even Humza will not want to be seen as standing in the way of a perfectly legitimate idea.


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[marinello59]

Nonsense. Until deadline there is nothing standing in the way of letting people change their votes. I think it will happen because even Humza will not want to be seen as standing in the way of a perfectly legitimate idea.


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Whatever you think of the idea you have to agree that the SNP have set the gold standard for absolutely shambolic leadership elections. We can only hope the winner doesn’t plan to celebrate in a brewery. :greengrin

[JeMeSouviens]

Whatever you think of the idea you have to agree that the SNP have set the gold standard for absolutely shambolic leadership elections. We can only hope the winner doesn’t plan to celebrate in a brewery. :greengrin

Lolz 🍻

[Ozyhibby]

Whatever you think of the idea you have to agree that the SNP have set the gold standard for absolutely shambolic leadership elections. We can only hope the winner doesn’t plan to celebrate in a brewery. :greengrin

I don’t think anyone could disagree on that.[emoji106]


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[JeMeSouviens]

I think a period of campaigning for enhancing devolution might be wise for now. Im in favour of gradualism anyway but it is also a way of improving the lives of Scots right now.
The current devolution set up in the UK is a mess and there is a lot of scope for improvement. That is how you win over the middle ground of voters.


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There is indeed a ton of scope for improvement and I agree not only to improve Scotland but some of the seriously neglected bits of the UK. Real levelling up rather than a pork barrel for Tory held seats. :rolleyes: The latest Brown/Starmer plan at least shows some in Labour understand some of the problems even if I hae my doots that they'll get very far fixing anything. The SNP should absolutely attempt to get in and influence UK constitutional change.

People say Scotland could go the way of Québec as if it's a massive warning to indy supporters. But if Scotland ended up with the status of Québec in a country that worked like the Canadian federation it would be a massive step forward.

[He's here!]

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/nicola-sturgeon-has-not-heard-from-police-over-probe-into-snp-finances-12838811

'Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater,' Sturgeon urges leadership candidates.

[archie]

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/nicola-sturgeon-has-not-heard-from-police-over-probe-into-snp-finances-12838811

'Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater,' Sturgeon urges leadership candidates.
Depends who the baby is.

[Stairway 2 7]

Nicola Sturgeon going with the spin that the misleading information on members was due to confusion, stop it. She also said today that she didn't know numbers have dropped, she's either lying or her husband didn't tell her pretty important information

https://mobile.twitter.com/ChrisMusson/status/1637839937880961027

[marinello59]

Nicola Sturgeon going with the spin that the misleading information on members was due to confusion, stop it. She also said today that she didn't know numbers have dropped, she's either lying or her husband didn't tell her pretty important information

https://mobile.twitter.com/ChrisMusson/status/1637839937880961027

She’s like a kid with chocolate all over her face denying she ate the cake. :greengrin

[He's here!]

She’s like a kid with chocolate all over her face denying she ate the cake. :greengrin

Bunch of con artists.

Why come out and say Murrell was right to resign then claim it was a misunderstanding?

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/glennbbc/status/1637885427242659843?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

No changing of votes. Shame. Missed opportunity.


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[Stairway 2 7]

https://twitter.com/glennbbc/status/1637885427242659843?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

No changing of votes. Shame. Missed opportunity.


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Very very poor if she has found out via the media as she says

[Stairway 2 7]

Mike Russell says allowing changing of votes could be open to hacking 😆 🤣 ffs just using lies now. It's the same system and one that is capable of the option. The problem is when you have a party that will never be beaten, some chances find they have a job for life instead of being found out as buffoons

https://mobile.twitter.com/ChrisMcEleny/status/1637887938385027087

[Glory Lurker]

Mike Russell says allowing changing of votes could be open to hacking 😆 🤣 ffs just using lies now. It's the same system and one that is capable of the option. The problem is when you have a party that will never be beaten, some chances find they have a job for life instead of being found out as buffoons

https://mobile.twitter.com/ChrisMcEleny/status/1637887938385027087

Alba Party hack hates SNP shocker.

[Stairway 2 7]

Ash Regan says she finds it hard to believe Sturgeon didn't know about the drop in numbers, same

https://mobile.twitter.com/STVNews/status/1637881430737821722

[Stairway 2 7]

Alba Party hack hates SNP shocker.

Any comment on the content, Mike Russell's mental claim

[Glory Lurker]

Any comment on the content, Mike Russell's mental claim

I don't agree with him. The SNP is a basket case at the moment. That's a far more valid opinion than any Alba person might come out with.

[Stairway 2 7]

I don't agree with him. The SNP is a basket case at the moment. That's a far more valid opinion than any Alba person might come out with.

Don't know who the guy is I just seen the tweet then checked if he had said it. Alba seems full of quite a weird bunch but their polling numbers are increasing all the time. Will never be serious but like UKIP and reform are dangerous for the tories, Alba could be for the SNP

[Glory Lurker]

Don't know who the guy is I just seen the tweet then checked if he had said it. Alba seems full of quite a weird bunch but their polling numbers are increasing all the time. Will never be serious but like UKIP and reform are dangerous for the tories, Alba could be for the SNP

Have you got a link to Alba-friendly polling?

[Ozyhibby]

Any comment on the content, Mike Russell's mental claim

It’s nonsense. If it could be hacked then so could the original poll.
However, it’s done now and we’ll just need to wait and see the outcome in 7 days time.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Have you got a link to Alba-friendly polling?

From alba website but panalbase
https://www.albaparty.org/breakthrough_poll_would_result_in_alba_party_winni ng_over_20_seats

I've seen them poll as low as 2% though so a bit of an unknown

[One Day Soon]

Agree with most of that. The SNP is knackered. A Forbes reset might kick start things or might make it fall apart. A Humza continuation will continue the decline and they'll end up in opposition.

Let's face it, there is no way round the indyref2 conundrum without a large increase in support for Indy and that's not going to happen any time soon, imo. The indy tide is receding for now, but unless Unionism finds a way to not just criticise independence, but actually make the Scottish electorate content and bought into the Union, it will come again.

Bit I don't agree with is SNP/Lab at Holyrood. On what planet?????? Ask Mibbes and ODS how much they're looking forward to shacking up with the Nats any time this side of armageddon? :greengrin

Actually they're too busy with all this Schadenfreude to answer for a while anyway, I think. :wink:


Correct, I've been bathing in it repeatedly and at length. To answer your question, there will be no deal with the SNP. Not in Westminster and not at Holyrood.

Anyway it seems the SNP are about to become way too right wing for us. :wink:

The only way you maybe eventually in the very distant future could get an element of coalition is after full fat Indy is dead as a serious prospect and elements within the SNP choose to break off to a gradualist/status quo position. Perhaps they may join Labour at that point.

[One Day Soon]

Whatever you think of the idea you have to agree that the SNP have set the gold standard for absolutely shambolic leadership elections. We can only hope the winner doesn’t plan to celebrate in a brewery. :greengrin


The outcome now just needs to deliver a winner by 55% to 45% and the stage is then set for ongoing entertainment.

[Ozyhibby]

Correct, I've been bathing in it repeatedly and at length. To answer your question, there will be no deal with the SNP. Not in Westminster and not at Holyrood.

Anyway it seems the SNP are about to become way too right wing for us. :wink:

The only way you maybe eventually in the very distant future could get an element of coalition is after full fat Indy is dead as a serious prospect and elements within the SNP choose to break off to a gradualist/status quo position. Perhaps they may join Labour at that point.

There is nobody offering a gradualist enhanced devolution and the status quo is seeing us get poorer and poorer every year.


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[Since90+2]

There is nobody offering a gradualist enhanced devolution and the status quo is seeing us get poorer and poorer every year.


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Yip.

The idea that voters will start flocking to Labour in Scotland is fanciful IMO.

I wouldn't be at all surprised to see them continue as the 3rd biggest party at Holyrood.

[Stairway 2 7]

Yip.

The idea that voters will start flocking to Labour in Scotland is fanciful IMO.

I wouldn't be at all surprised to see them continue as the 3rd biggest party at Holyrood.

I would. I'd be surprised if they don't collect a couple of seats more

[Ozyhibby]

I would. I'd be surprised if they don't collect a couple of seats more

It might be difficult. They have been lending Tories their votes for a few elections now. Difficult to try and explain to voters that you can come from third to win and hope Tories lend their votes back. Labour are not in 2nd place to the snp in many seats I don’t think.


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[Paul1642]

It might be difficult. They have been lending Tories their votes for a few elections now. Difficult to try and explain to voters that you can come from third to win and hope Tories lend their votes back. Labour are not in 2nd place to the snp in many seats I don’t think.


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I think most of those who have lent votes to the Torries will do so no longer. Labour look like the stronger option once again and there is now little reason to do so unless the seat has a massive gap between the two already.

That and the UK Conservative Party of now are a lot less stomachable than the one people thought they were voting for at the last Scottish election. (I appreciate the Scottish tories are technically a separate party but most people won’t separate the two.

[JeMeSouviens]

I think most of those who have lent votes to the Torries will do so no longer. Labour look like the stronger option once again and there is now little reason to do so unless the seat has a massive gap between the two already.

That and the UK Conservative Party of now are a lot less stomachable than the one people thought they were voting for at the last Scottish election. (I appreciate the Scottish tories are technically a separate party but most people won’t separate the two.

They're not - since 1965 they fully integrated into the UK party, although they do have a Scottish leader position and use some different branding.

When Ruth Davidson became their Scottish leader, her opponent Murdo Fraser was making noises about them separating from the UK party. RD stood as the keep them in the UK party candidate.

[One Day Soon]

There is nobody offering a gradualist enhanced devolution and the status quo is seeing us get poorer and poorer every year.


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No, the status quo is preventing us from falling into the abyss of a £15 billion annual shortfall in revenues/spending which the now combusting SNP have failed to address in any independence prospectus. The Union is the incumbent, it's the nationalists who need to shift the dial and at the moment it seems to be going backward in terms of both the desire for a referendum and the willingness to support independence.

[Ozyhibby]

No, the status quo is preventing us from falling into the abyss of a £15 billion annual shortfall in revenues/spending which the now combusting SNP have failed to address in any independence prospectus. The Union is the incumbent, it's the nationalists who need to shift the dial and at the moment it seems to be going backward in terms of both the desire for a referendum and the willingness to support independence.

Yip, it’s all going great. Did you miss panorama this week?[emoji106]


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[He's here!]

OMG, Forbes has access to live voting data? This is an incredible turn of events. Wait till Regan finds out about that. [emoji23]
Won’t be long before Macwhirter is on GBnews.


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https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/nicola-sturgeon-has-destroyed-her-own-reputation/

He's certainly going all out to slaughter Sturgeon.

I could be wrong but I seem to recall he was once quite sympathetic towards the SNP/independence.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/mar/21/humza-yousaf-seems-to-backtrack-over-fight-with-uk-government-on-gender-recognition-bill?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1679440374

Change of course for Yousaf?


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[Mibbes Aye]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/mar/21/humza-yousaf-seems-to-backtrack-over-fight-with-uk-government-on-gender-recognition-bill?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1679440374

Change of course for Yousaf?


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What, supporting Spartans instead of Partick Thistle? Shameless plug there :greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

What, supporting Spartans instead of Partick Thistle? Shameless plug there :greengrin

Spartans are shameless in getting bigwigs down there for photo ops. Anything to promote the brand I suppose but it’s a bit cringe all the same.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/mrjohnnicolson/status/1638297124986036224?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A


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[Mibbes Aye]

Spartans are shameless in getting bigwigs down there for photo ops. Anything to promote the brand I suppose but it’s a bit cringe all the same.


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I wouldn’t ask, but it is Humza - he isn’t in the female changing room is he?

[Ozyhibby]

I wouldn’t ask, but it is Humza - he isn’t in the female changing room is he?

We’re progressive at Spartans. Nobody uses them.


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[Stairway 2 7]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/mar/21/humza-yousaf-seems-to-backtrack-over-fight-with-uk-government-on-gender-recognition-bill?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1679440374

Change of course for Yousaf?


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Going against one of the main things he campaigned for FM on. Would think all votes are cast now anyway

[Stairway 2 7]

I thought gra was going to pass them people wouldn't talk about it again. It's going nowhere it seems

https://mobile.twitter.com/markthehibby/status/1638369232067915777

[Sergio sledge]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/mar/21/humza-yousaf-seems-to-backtrack-over-fight-with-uk-government-on-gender-recognition-bill?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1679440374

Change of course for Yousaf?


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Sets himself up as the only candidate who'll stand up to Westminster no matter what and then waits until most of the votes are cast before falling roughly into line with the other candidates and waiting for the legal advice first.

[Ozyhibby]

Sets himself up as the only candidate who'll stand up to Westminster no matter what and then waits until most of the votes are cast before falling roughly into line with the other candidates and waiting for the legal advice first.

I think it shows him as less principled and that will result in him being blown about by events. Rather have Forbes certainty.


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[danhibees1875]

Going by the snippets I've seen, and the bookie odds, it's Humza that is clear favourite. Does anyone think otherwise?

[Ozyhibby]

Going by the snippets I've seen, and the bookie odds, it's Humza that is clear favourite. Does anyone think otherwise?

I don’t think anyone knows. It’s possible he wins it easily but it’s also possible he loses. Bookies odds only really reflect where money has been placed. It’s a small electorate that hasn’t been polled at all.


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[JeMeSouviens]

Going by the snippets I've seen, and the bookie odds, it's Humza that is clear favourite. Does anyone think otherwise?

The only memebership polling was a small poll that had first pref:

HY 31
KF 25
AR 11
DK 32


That was round about when hustings were starting. So fairly tight and you’d probably expect more AR<~> KF transfers than either to HY I think?

He was favourite but don’t think it’s clear.

[He's here!]

Going by the snippets I've seen, and the bookie odds, it's Humza that is clear favourite. Does anyone think otherwise?

Depends how much respect the majority of members had for Sturgeon. Given the adoration in which she appeared to be held and the haste with which her devotees would try to shut down any inkling of criticism of her leadership you'd have thought a candidate promising continuity would be a shoo-in. However, the speed at which the party has imploded since her sudden resignation, coupled with her own fantasy take on the recent chaos makes you question just how deep that respect actually went. She made an almighty mess of things in her final months and that may end up being reflected in the way the vote goes.

[WeeRussell]

Going by the snippets I've seen, and the bookie odds, it's Humza that is clear favourite. Does anyone think otherwise?

Currently he’s the clear favourite I would say, yes.

The post above about “Sturgeon” is the usual desperate drivel.

[Paul1642]

Currently he’s the clear favourite I would say, yes.

The post above about “Sturgeon” is the usual desperate drivel.

Why is it drivel? I think it’s fairly accurate to say that things have imploded to some degree and that the rock solid solidarity of the SNP was not quite what it seemed. Many of those who 1 year ago thought sturgeon could do no wrong might well have re considered that opinion.

Being the “Sturgeon continually candidate” would once have been been a pretty much guaranteed win rather than the open contest we are now in.

[Ozyhibby]

Why is it drivel? I think it’s fairly accurate to say that things have imploded to some degree and that the rock solid solidarity of the SNP was not quite what it seemed. Many of those who 1 year ago thought sturgeon could do no wrong might well have re considered that opinion.

Being the “Sturgeon continually candidate” would once have been been a pretty much guaranteed win rather than the open contest we are now in.

Sturgeon isn’t standing though. It’s down to the candidates now. Sturgeon is yesterday’s news. The party moves on and with the level of change at the top it will move on quickly.
We moved on from Salmond quickly and the same will happen with Sturgeon.


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[Santa Cruz]

Why is it drivel. I think it’s fairly accurate to say that things have imploded to some degree and that the rock solid solidarity of the SNP was not quite what it seemed. Many of those who 1 year ago thought sturgeon could do no wrong might well have re considered that opinion.

Being the “Sturgeon continually candidate” would once have been been a pretty much guaranteed win rather than the open contest we are now in.

It's fair to say the members could have both a lot of respect for NS and at the same time became a bt disillusioned by her approach to reach their ultimate goal of Indy. I think they will hold different views on which candidate has put forward the best case to make progress on this issue, then reach a decision based on that. It's pretty obvious the opposing political parties fear KF winning this. Both Sunak and Starmer have singled her out. If I've noticed that and I'm not an SNP supporter, I'd guess any clued up member will have picked up on this too.

[weecounty hibby]

I have spoken to very few members who are voting for Regan or Forbes. Yousaf is by a distance the preferred candidate for most. As for the party imploding, we'll see when the next elections come round. Its still just a unionist wet dream that the snp will collapse now that Nicola has gone. The same way they hoped it would happen when Salmond left.

[Stairway 2 7]

I have spoken to very few members who are voting for Regan or Forbes. Yousaf is by a distance the preferred candidate for most. As for the party imploding, we'll see when the next elections come round. Its still just a unionist wet dream that the snp will collapse now that Nicola has gone. The same way they hoped it would happen when Salmond left.

Yousaf isn't a Sturgeon though. He's unliked and people think incompetent. It's not going to destroy the SNP but it's a nationalist party and he won't bring independence in a million years. I think he's a fall guy until flynn or Robertson take over anyway

[weecounty hibby]

I'd be surprised if any of them, no matter who wins, will be long term leaders of the party

[He's here!]

I have spoken to very few members who are voting for Regan or Forbes. Yousaf is by a distance the preferred candidate for most. As for the party imploding, we'll see when the next elections come round. Its still just a unionist wet dream that the snp will collapse now that Nicola has gone. The same way they hoped it would happen when Salmond left.

In that case it would show there remains a core belief among members that Sturgeon was on the right lines, irrespective of the chaos which has followed her departure. As I said, given the pedestal so many placed her on that would make sense. I'm surprised, however, by how quickly some seem to want to brush off her tenure as 'yesterday's news' and wondering if it indicated a shift towards a non-continuity candidate.

[Stairway 2 7]

Humza says gender bill might have raised support for the snp 👀

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/24ca356e-c8ab-11ed-82d6-a363978c4bcb?shareToken=ee09d413662d2fd691bd3c0f80 494e9e

[WhileTheChief..]

Votes are to be in by Monday right?

When do we expect the winner to be announced?

[Ozyhibby]

Votes are to be in by Monday right?

When do we expect the winner to be announced?

Monday lunchtime I would think.


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[SHODAN]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/mar/21/humza-yousaf-seems-to-backtrack-over-fight-with-uk-government-on-gender-recognition-bill?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1679440374

Change of course for Yousaf?


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How disappointing.

[Hibernian Verse]

How disappointing.

Personally feel it would be a waste of time & resources better spent elsewhere so not necessarily a bad thing.

[Since90+2]

Personally feel it would be a waste of time & resources better spent elsewhere so not necessarily a bad thing.

Agreed.

[Ozyhibby]

Looking forward to Monday, what are peoples best guess for the outcome?
If Yousaf doesn’t get to 50% on first round, what percentage of Regans 2nd preferences do you think he’ll get?
I’m thinking that this is Forbes only path to victory.


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[marinello59]

Looking forward to Monday, what are peoples best guess for the outcome?
If Yousaf doesn’t get to 50% on first round, what percentage of Regans 2nd preferences do you think he’ll get?
I’m thinking that this is Forbes only path to victory.


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I think Yousaf has to win over 50% on first round or be very close to it. I can’t see many of Regan’s votes going his way.

[Ozyhibby]

I think Yousaf has to win over 50% on first round or be very close to it. I can’t see many of Regan’s votes going his way.

That’s roughly what I think. I think almost certainly Yousaf wins first round but no idea if he wins by enough that Forbes doesn’t beat him in 2nd round.


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[Mibbes Aye]

Looking forward to Monday, what are peoples best guess for the outcome?


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Ash Regan gets fired out of a cannon. Kate Forbes crosses a very high tightrope, with a lion on the ground on one side, and a big vat of custard on the other (that’s a very loose metaphor by the way, I’m not just here for my looks).

And Humza comes out on a unicycle, with a big red nose and slippers five sizes too big. Throwing knives blindfolded. That’s not a metaphor ncidentally. I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised.

Apart from that I would call it sameish as you and M59. Which I don’t think is good for the SNP in the long-run. I think there is scope for a paradigm shift in the next few years and Forbes is the best of your candidates to capitalise on that, notwithstanding (or maybe because of) her lack of experience.

Said this before, will say it again. I believe those wanting to win a referendum on independence will find most traction, towards the end of a Labour first term, more likely midways through a second term. That’s just a personal view.

[SteveHFC]

What time will it be announced on Monday?

[marinello59]

What time will it be announced on Monday?

2 pm

[SteveHFC]

2 pm

:aok:

[He's here!]

https://archive.is/XJc3c

Yousef: "Obviously I have a significant lead".

How would he know this without access to current voting totals?

[Ozyhibby]

https://archive.is/XJc3c

Yousef: "Obviously I have a significant lead".

How would he know this without access to current voting totals?

He’s trying to create momentum. He has no idea. He’s been trying same trick since start of campaign.


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[He's here!]

He’s trying to create momentum. He has no idea. He’s been trying same trick since start of campaign.


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It's an oddly factual quote tho. Not 'I think I'm leading' or 'I'm polling well among members' but 'Obviously I have a significant lead.'

[Ozyhibby]

It's an oddly factual quote tho. Not 'I think I'm leading' or 'I'm polling well among members' but 'Obviously I have a significant lead.'

You want to create certainty then what else would you do?


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[neil7908]

It's an oddly factual quote tho. Not 'I think I'm leading' or 'I'm polling well among members' but 'Obviously I have a significant lead.'

I presume they have access to polling data

[Moulin Yarns]

https://archive.is/XJc3c

Yousef: "Obviously I have a significant lead".

How would he know this without access to current voting totals?

Straight from the Ruth Davidson playbook!!

[He's here!]

I presume they have access to polling data

Have their been any recent polls among those who can vote? And if there have been, are they showing he has 'a significant lead'?

[WhileTheChief..]

It’s exciting.

I think Forbes would do best in the next election and be better for Scotland, but reckon the SNP folk will go with Yousaf.

[neil7908]

Have their been any recent polls among those who can vote? And if there have been, are they showing he has 'a significant lead'?

I'm not saying I have access to this. I'm saying they may have information that punters like us on a message board don't have. Is it wild to suggest politicians vying to be First Minister will have access to data we don't have?

I guess it might also be that it's been rigged around the Murrell/Sturgeon kitchen table

[Ozyhibby]

I'm not saying I have access to this. I'm saying they may have information that punters like us on a message board don't have. Is it wild to suggest politicians vying to be First Minister will have access to data we don't have?

I guess it might also be that it's been rigged around the Murrell/Sturgeon kitchen table

They don’t have access to anything we don’t. Yousaf is relying on a poll from a couple of weeks back which said he was most popular with SNP voters. He has been saying the same thing since then. He’s hoping that people will see his victory as inevitable and decide they might as well vote for him.
Two things about that though, SNP voters might not reflect SNP members and the poll only showed him with about 33% of the vote. He needs 50%.
Good on him for trying. He might be right.


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[marinello59]

Not long to wait now. :greengrin

[SteveHFC]

Humza it is.

[marinello59]

Yousaf it is, more of the same.

[Mon Dieu4]

No too chuffed with that to be honest, I've always seen him as a total snake oil salesman

[ronaldo7]

Yousaf it is, more of the same.

Another 8 election wins will do me.

[SteveHFC]

Yousaf it is, more of the same.

He’ll have the SNP lose votes guaranteed.

[Hibby70]

Ash Regan looks happy 🤨

[Stairway 2 7]

Just delays independence by a few years. Whoever takes over after him I'd say in two years will be in a better position than now hopefully.

[ElginHibbie]

He’ll have the SNP lose votes guaranteed.

Any of them would have

[WeeRussell]

Congratulations Humza. I hope he has a successful tenure.

[Ozyhibby]

Close result. Forbes shaky start probably cost her. Humza needs to reflect how close that vote is and make sure that Forbes is given a prominent role in the new govt.


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[Berwickhibby]

:faf::faf::faf::faf: the most Yousless wins …he has been a disaster in every post he has been in :greengrin

[Since90+2]

Wrong choice for the SNP IMO. I think he'll struggle.

[Stairway 2 7]

The leadership got their man in but they will be worried how close it was. Mental greens will stick around. GRA will drag on. Labour will be happy I think

lewis_goodall
NEW: HUMZA YOUSAF IS ELECTED THE NEW SNP LEADER TO SUCCEED NICOLA STURGEON

1st Preference
Yousaf: 48.2%
Forbes: 40.7%
Regan: 11%
50094 ballots

2nd Preference

Yousaf: 52.1%
Forbes: 47.9%

turnout: 70%

Final ratio is basically 52-48.

[Ozyhibby]

The leadership got their man in but they will be worried how close it was. Mental greens will stick around. GRA will drag on. Labour will be happy I think

lewis_goodall
NEW: HUMZA YOUSAF IS ELECTED THE NEW SNP LEADER TO SUCCEED NICOLA STURGEON

1st Preference
Yousaf: 48.2%
Forbes: 40.7%
Regan: 11%
50094 ballots

2nd Preference

Yousaf: 52.1%
Forbes: 47.9%

turnout: 70%

Final ratio is basically 52-48.

The 30,000 leaving the party recently has probably also had an effect. Next couple of days will be interesting.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/bbcphilipsim/status/1640342741841223680?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A


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[Santa Cruz]

The turnout's a bit of a revelation, seems like they were unimpressed with the options put to them.

[SHODAN]

Thank god for that.

Pun intended.

[Since90+2]

30% of members never even bothered to vote. That's a worrying sign IMO.

[Stairway 2 7]

30% of members never even bothered to vote. That's a worrying sign IMO.

Probably not members anymore 🙃

[Paul1642]

30% of members never even bothered to vote. That's a worrying sign IMO.

I’m really confused as to why anyone would pay for a party membership only to not vote in the leadership contest unless they are planning on leaving immediately.

Either way 52% is not a very convincing level of support, especially when the number of second preference votes going his way seems to have been low.

[JeMeSouviens]

Close result. Forbes shaky start probably cost her. Humza needs to reflect how close that vote is and make sure that Forbes is given a prominent role in the new govt.


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Let's face it, her honesty cost her. I suppose that's refreshing in a way.

I think this is the meh result, fwiw.

On a brighter note, good that Scotland will have a first FM from Asian folk.

[JeMeSouviens]

I’m really confused as to why anyone would pay for a party membership only to not vote in the leadership contest unless they are planning on leaving immediately.

Either way 52% is not a very convincing level of support, especially when the number of second preference votes going his way seems to have been low.

Had I been a member I'd have struggled to make my mind up. A candidate with KF competence but without the Wee Free baggage would've strolled it.

[JeMeSouviens]

I’m really confused as to why anyone would pay for a party membership only to not vote in the leadership contest unless they are planning on leaving immediately.

Either way 52% is not a very convincing level of support, especially when the number of second preference votes going his way seems to have been low.

btw, leadership elections: Tories last year - 82% turnout. Lab 2020 - 60%. So not an outlier.

[Stairway 2 7]

Had I been a member I'd have struggled to make my mind up. A candidate with KF competence but without the Wee Free baggage would've strolled it.

Quite remarkable she was so close with some of the mental stuff she said, at one point I thought she'll need to drop out. Pretty much anyone competent would have won easily, so I'm not sure why they didn't run

[Ozyhibby]

Quite remarkable she was so close with some of the mental stuff she said, at one point I thought she'll need to drop out. Pretty much anyone competent would have won easily, so I'm not sure why they didn't run

She’s only 32 and has plenty time to refine her pitch for next time.
Yousaf will have to offer her a top job now I think and she will have to take it. Party will need to start to reflect its members a bit more as more than half voted for change.


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[Santa Cruz]

btw, leadership elections: Tories last year - 82% turnout. Lab 2020 - 60%. So not an outlier.

I get what you mean, still a fair bit more than 20 odd thousand votes, no?

[Stairway 2 7]

btw, leadership elections: Tories last year - 82% turnout. Lab 2020 - 60%. So not an outlier.

Sturgeon said it was an affront to democracy no GE after that tory election and Swinney said there must be an election after Labour chose a new FM. Humza actually called for a GE too. I await the calling of a Holyrood election today

[ElginHibbie]

Pretty much anyone competent would have won easily, so I'm not sure why they didn't run

Sticking with my theory that whoever got it this time won’t last long so the competent people waiting for next time

[Moulin Yarns]

Another 8 election wins will do me.

Hey there. 👋

[He's here!]

30% of members never even bothered to vote. That's a worrying sign IMO.

Yes, a circa 50k turnout from a 72k (alleged!) membership. Given how easy it was to vote (online, weeks available to do so) I'm bemused as to why so many didn't bother. Did they just not fancy any of the candidates?

[Stairway 2 7]

Sticking with my theory that whoever got it this time won’t last long so the competent people waiting for next time

That's what I think. Robertson v Flynn for example is multiple leagues above what we've had

[heretoday]

As Arthur Montford used to say......Disaster for Scotland!

[WeeRussell]

I get what you mean, still a fair bit more than 20 odd thousand votes, no?

It is, but surely the turnout percentage is the most significant. I thought it seemed low too, but the expert on the bbc basically said nothing to see here, it’s pretty normal in these things.

I’m not a member myself, but I struggle to believe that the majority that didn’t ‘turn-up’ thought “I would usually exercise my right as a member but this lot are all pretty rubbish so just going to not bother”.

[Moulin Yarns]

She’s only 32 and has plenty time to refine her pitch for next time.
Yousaf will have to offer her a top job now I think and she will have to take it. Party will need to start to reflect its members a bit more as more than half voted for change.


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My guess is finance and deputy leader.

[Mibbes Aye]

So was that a once in a generation vote or does Kate get another go whenever she wants?

I mean come on, only 52-48, we wouldn’t want to be denying democracy now 😀

[He's here!]

She’s only 32 and has plenty time to refine her pitch for next time.
Yousaf will have to offer her a top job now I think and she will have to take it. Party will need to start to reflect its members a bit more as more than half voted for change.


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She said last week she wouldn't stand again if she lost. Though I guess you can't take what a politician says as gospel. Who knows, she might be privately relieved to have lost after experiencing the flak she's taken and also realising how challenging it would be to take on such a role as a new mum.

[Pretty Boy]

Meh.

Sacrificial lamb really. Whoever came after Sturgeon was always going to struggle and the result today just confirms that. Much like Swinney all those years ago he'll be out on his a*** fairly sharpish before being given another top job at some point down the line.

Hopefully when this is all happening again in a couple of years there is a bit more talent on show , maybe a few big hitters will give up their seat on the Westminster gravy train and position themselves for a shot at the top job by then. The independence movement needs a serious shot in the arm and Yousaf isn't going to cut it.

[JeMeSouviens]

Sturgeon said it was an affront to democracy no GE after that tory election and Swinney said there must be an election after Labour chose a new FM. Humza actually called for a GE too. I await the calling of a Holyrood election today

The one being called for by the people led by new PMs, Gordon Brown or Truss or Sunak you mean? You'll be waiting a long time for consistency on that score. :rolleyes:

[Stairway 2 7]

Interesting stats

@Tamoshant
first preference votes as % of total members:
Humza 33.7%
No Vote 30.0%
Kate 28.5%
Ash 7.8%

over 30% declined to vote. (21,679)

Given the winning margin was 1,071 this is significant

[Berwickhibby]

The good news for me is that he will no longer be in charge of health and hopefully his successor will sort out the shambles

[Mibbes Aye]

Sturgeon said it was an affront to democracy no GE after that tory election and Swinney said there must be an election after Labour chose a new FM. Humza actually called for a GE too. I await the calling of a Holyrood election today

I think the call needs to be by the FM, which Humza ain’t quite yet. Unless you mean he announces his intent?

[Stairway 2 7]

The one being called by the people led by new PMs, Gordon Brown or Truss or Sunak you mean? You'll be waiting a long time for consistency on that score. :rolleyes:

Yes but it's utter hypocrisy and frankly embarrassing to call for it months before then not do so yourself. I'm not arguing whether their should be one just the hypocrites who have gone quiet

[Mcbizz1998]

Terrible result in the short term for Scotland.

Good result for the continuing demise of the SNP.

[JeMeSouviens]

Interesting stats

@Tamoshant
first preference votes as % of total members:
Humza 33.7%
No Vote 30.0%
Kate 28.5%
Ash 7.8%

over 30% declined to vote. (21,679)

Given the winning margin was 1,071 this is significant

Top marks to Savanta whose members poll was uncannily accurate, considering the difficulty of getting something resembling a representative sample together in the time available.

[JeMeSouviens]

Yes but it's utter hypocrisy and frankly embarrassing to call for it months before then not do so yourself. I'm not arguing whether their should be one just the hypocrites who have gone quiet

Well, colour me shocked for one!

[Mibbes Aye]

The good news for me is that he will no longer be in charge of health and hopefully his successor will sort out the shambles

Bad news is the risk he doubles down on what he did so as not to acknowledge his own culpability.

[Stairway 2 7]

I think the call needs to be by the FM, which Humza ain’t quite yet. Unless you mean he announces his intent?

Last week he said there shouldn't be a Holyrood election, although he said there has to be a GE last year. So their won't be an announcement of intention today next week or anytime

[Santa Cruz]

It is, but surely the turnout percentage is the most significant. I thought it seemed low too, but the expert on the bbc basically said nothing to see here, it’s pretty normal in these things.

I’m not a member myself, but I struggle to believe that the majority that didn’t ‘turn-up’ thought “I would usually exercise my right as a member but this lot are all pretty rubbish so just going to not bother”.

Just think that's a very low number of people deciding a Leader of a Gov. A-C-H secured more votes as a constituency MSP with a similar % turnout and just slightly more voters.

[JeMeSouviens]

She’s only 32 and has plenty time to refine her pitch for next time.
Yousaf will have to offer her a top job now I think and she will have to take it. Party will need to start to reflect its members a bit more as more than half voted for change.


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If I was Humza I'd give her the hospital pass of health.

[degenerated]

Sturgeon said it was an affront to democracy no GE after that tory election and Swinney said there must be an election after Labour chose a new FM. Humza actually called for a GE too. I await the calling of a Holyrood election todayHe'll just do the same as labour did when McLeish and McConnell took over as FM and not bother. Much the same as the Tories have just down at westminster and Gordon Brown with labour before them.

Whether that's wrong or right is up for debate but there is no real precedent for it.

[Since90+2]

So was that a once in a generation vote or does Kate get another go whenever she wants?

I mean come on, only 52-48, we wouldn’t want to be denying democracy now 😀

If SNP members and members of parliament want another leadership election they'll get one soon enough.

Democracy, eh?

[Stairway 2 7]

He'll just do the same as labour did when McLeish and McConnell took over as FM and not bother. Much the same as the Tories have just down at westminster and Gordon Brown with labour before them.

Whether that's wrong or right is up for debate but there is no real precedent for it.
Aye agree. Im talking about the embarrassment of saying for others to do one thing but not doing it yourself, politicians being politicians I suppose

[Hiber-nation]

As Arthur Montford used to say......Disaster for Scotland!

Just what I said! This is not going to be good at all and I'm already wondering who his successor will be.

[He's here!]

Just think that's a very low number of people deciding a Leader of a Gov. A-C-H secured more votes as a constituency MSP with a similar % turnout and just slightly more voters.

It would have looked even lower if they'd maintained the pretence of having over 100k members :wink:

[ElginHibbie]

Aye agree. Im talking about the embarrassment of saying for others to do one thing but not doing it yourself, politicians being politicians I suppose

His opponents will score a couple of points on him it short term that everyone will have forgotten about by time an election actually comes around. Such is politics!

[Ozyhibby]

So was that a once in a generation vote or does Kate get another go whenever she wants?

I mean come on, only 52-48, we wouldn’t want to be denying democracy now [emoji3]

If she can drum up the support there likely is a mechanism where she can. So very different from independence where there is no mechanism.


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[He's here!]

He'll just do the same as labour did when McLeish and McConnell took over as FM and not bother. Much the same as the Tories have just down at westminster and Gordon Brown with labour before them.

Whether that's wrong or right is up for debate but there is no real precedent for it.

May and Johnson called GEs within months of becoming PM. The point here, though, is that Sturgeon (and Swinney before her as leader) have been strident in calling on other parties to go straight to the polls in such situations. A 'democratic imperative' as Sturgeon would have it.

[cabbageandribs1875]

decided not to use my vote but it was always between Humza and Kate for me, best of luck Humza anyway

[Ozyhibby]

If I was Humza I'd give her the hospital pass of health.

I think she would jump at that pass.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Sarwar call for an election

https://mobile.twitter.com/AnasSarwar/status/1640343585022267397

[He's here!]

Good result for the continuing demise of the SNP.

Especially as it means the toxic Greens will be staying on board. They'd have walked had Forbes or Regan won.

[He's here!]

decided not to use my vote but it was always between Humza and Kate for me, best of luck Humza anyway

Just out of interest, why did you decide against voting?

[WeeRussell]

Just think that's a very low number of people deciding a Leader of a Gov. A-C-H secured more votes as a constituency MSP with a similar % turnout and just slightly more voters.

Yeah I don’t disagree, and not against those stating that an election should be called in these circumstances. Albeit it would prove to be a pointless exercise.

[ElginHibbie]

Sarwar call for an election

https://mobile.twitter.com/AnasSarwar/status/1640343585022267397

Out of interest is wee Dougie calling for one? Easy headlines for Sarwar but imagine Dougie won’t be able to do the same, he’d actually have to come up with something which we all know he isn’t good at

[Stairway 2 7]

Out of interest is wee Dougie calling for one? Easy headlines for Sarwar but imagine Dougie won’t be able to do the same

No he didn't in his statement, just said again about the failing in every role

[Ozyhibby]

Out of interest is wee Dougie calling for one? Easy headlines for Sarwar but imagine Dougie won’t be able to do the same, he’d actually have to come up with something which we all know he isn’t good at

Pretty sure it needs 3/4 of the parliament to vote for one anyway? Are the numbers there for it if the Tories are against?


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[Stairway 2 7]

Humza pretty much ripped Regan for suggesting this in the debates. "do you think England will just agree to it Ash" "what we need is a sustained lead"

PeterAdamSmith
NEW: Humza Yousaf tells me he will be asking the UK Gov for a section 30 to have another independence referendum “right away.” No time wasted then.

Over to Downing Street for what feels like a familiar conversation that’s about to begin with a new SNP leader

[Ozyhibby]

Humza pretty much ripped Regan for suggesting this in the debates. "do you think England will just agree to it Ash" "what we need is a sustained lead"

PeterAdamSmith
NEW: Humza Yousaf tells me he will be asking the UK Gov for a section 30 to have another independence referendum “right away.” No time wasted then.

Over to Downing Street for what feels like a familiar conversation that’s about to begin with a new SNP leader

Good time for unionists to go for it given how happy the are on here.[emoji6][emoji23]


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[Paul1642]

Good time for unionists to go for it given how happy the are on here.[emoji6][emoji23]


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It would probably be a great time for the UK gov to say yes.

Unlikely imo that Scotland would currently vote for yes and if they did it would probably be for Labour to deal with the messy transition.

[Mibbes Aye]

If she can drum up the support there likely is a mechanism where she can. So very different from independence where there is no mechanism.


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“Likely”?

You are the member here, help us out! 😀

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230327/1b5bc64e58afa63fb62dac55443570a9.jpg

Looking at the results, Yousaf voters voted much more tactically. Fair play to his campaign for getting that message out there. Didn’t affect result though.


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[degenerated]

May and Johnson called GEs within months of becoming PM. The point here, though, is that Sturgeon (and Swinney before her as leader) have been strident in calling on other parties to go straight to the polls in such situations. A 'democratic imperative' as Sturgeon would have it.10 months and 6 months respectively but you seem to think humza yousaff should be calling one within minutes of being elected leader of his party and before the parliament has even elected him as first minister.

How quickly did Henry McLeish and Jack McConnell wait before calling an election, that's probably a better comparator.

[Stairway 2 7]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230327/1b5bc64e58afa63fb62dac55443570a9.jpg

Looking at the results, Yousaf voters voted much more tactically. Fair play to his campaign for getting that message out there. Didn’t affect result though.


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Yousaf needed transfered Regan votes to win who would have bet that

[Mibbes Aye]

The one being called for by the people led by new PMs, Gordon Brown or Truss or Sunak you mean? You'll be waiting a long time for consistency on that score. :rolleyes:

We weren’t a million miles away from a GE after Brown took over but that’s for another thread.

This is Humza’s moment and I genuinely hope he enjoys it, because it all gets a lot harder from here and that’s true regardless of your political hue or the circumstances you inherit.

[Stairway 2 7]

10 months and 6 months respectively but you seem to think humza yousaff should be calling one within minutes of being elected leader of his party and before the parliament has even elected him as first minister.

How quickly did Henry McLeish and Jack McConnell wait before calling an election, that's probably a better comparator.

As I've said repeatedly though. The difference is Yousaf 6 months ago was calling it undemocratic not to have an election as new leader doesn't have mandate from the voters. Fair play if he had said nothing as it generally doesn't happen.

[J-C]

Interesting that it’s only people that are anti SNP commenting on this thread. Labour last in power in 2010 and over 50 years for the Tories, obviously struggling to come term's with being in the minority.

[ElginHibbie]

Pretty sure it needs 3/4 of the parliament to vote for one anyway? Are the numbers there for it if the Tories are against?


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And even if they call an election now believe we’d still need to have one again as planned in 2027, doesn’t restart the clock like Westminster

[marinello59]

Sarwar call for an election

https://mobile.twitter.com/AnasSarwar/status/1640343585022267397

It’s easy political point scoring but the last thing we need at the moment is another election.

[marinello59]

Interesting that it’s only people that are anti SNP commenting on this thread. Labour last in power in 2010 and over 50 years for the Tories, obviously struggling to come term's with being in the minority.

Oozy? Degenerated? Two of the main contributors to the thread. :greengrin

[Stairway 2 7]

It’s easy political point scoring but the last thing we need at the moment is another election.

Sturgeon will disagree with you, she thinks it's "a democratic imperative"

I don't ever agree with the now ist the time patter. They use that against having second brexit and independence referendum.

[Santa Cruz]

Interesting that it’s only people that are anti SNP commenting on this thread. Labour last in power in 2010 and over 50 years for the Tories, obviously struggling to come term's with being in the minority.

Doesn't matter if you vote for them or not. They're still the Gov for the whole country, any decisions they take affect the entire population. It obviously impacts everyone if they can't unite as a party while remaining in power.

[Stairway 2 7]

And even if they call an election now believe we’d still need to have one again as planned in 2027, doesn’t restart the clock like Westminster

4 years away isn't that unusual for 2 elections

[JeMeSouviens]

We weren’t a million miles away from a GE after Brown took over but that’s for another thread.

This is Humza’s moment and I genuinely hope he enjoys it, because it all gets a lot harder from here and that’s true regardless of your political hue or the circumstances you inherit.

Indeed, but that just reinforces the point.

They'd all call an election if it suits them, they'd all throw such shouts a deefy if it doesn't. GB is supposed to have thought he would win a snap election until Osbourne promised to raise IHT threshold to £1M. "We will take the family home out of inheritance tax". The positive response of middle England is supposed to have spooked GB.

[He's here!]

10 months and 6 months respectively but you seem to think humza yousaff should be calling one within minutes of being elected leader of his party and before the parliament has even elected him as first minister.

How quickly did Henry McLeish and Jack McConnell wait before calling an election, that's probably a better comparator.

I don't personally think he needs to call an election. Just pointing out the SNP's double standards.

[Paul1642]

Interesting that it’s only people that are anti SNP commenting on this thread. Labour last in power in 2010 and over 50 years for the Tories, obviously struggling to come term's with being in the minority.

Not the way it comes across to me. Seems about 50/50 which is fair enough seeing as Yousaf is going to be the FM in charge of our county regardless of who we voted for or intend to vote for.

Is it possible that some people on this thread you perceive to be anti SNP are or were pro SNP but are less than excited that Yousaf is the next FM based on his record in top ministerial roles 🙋🏻


My only strong personal view either way is that I hope that Yousaf does well and gets things right because that’s the best thing for the country I live in and I will make up my mind on who to vote for at election time based on who looked best situated to do best going forward. That and I really hope the change in leader sees the greens leaving government as imo it’s the current governments biggest problem.

[Greenbeard]

Insider info is that Hmmmza is too nice. Doesn't like to upset people and takes the long road to get things done, whereas Forbes is more decisive and doesn't mind rocking the boat a bit if it gets things done pronto.
Watching the declaration there looked to be mutual respect between the two. Ash Regan on the other hand looked like she's just sucked on a particularly sharp lemon when "congratulating" Hmmmza.

[Ozyhibby]

Insider info is that Hmmmza is too nice. Doesn't like to upset people and takes the long road to get things done, whereas Forbes is more decisive and doesn't mind rocking the boat a bit if it gets things done pronto.
Watching the declaration there looked to be mutual respect between the two. Ash Regan on the other hand looked like she's just sucked on a particularly sharp lemon when "congratulating" Hmmmza.

There was def a warmth between them at the hustings I went to. Maybe not obvious during debates but they do seem like colleagues who get on.


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[JeMeSouviens]

Not the way it comes across to me. Seems about 50/50 which is fair enough seeing as Yousaf is going to be the FM in charge of our county regardless of who we voted for or intend to vote for.

Is it possible that some people on this thread you perceive to be anti SNP are or were pro SNP but are less than excited that Yousaf is the next FM based on his record in top ministerial roles 🙋🏻


My only strong personal view either way is that I hope that Yousaf does well and gets things right because that’s the best thing for the country I live in and I will make up my mind on who to vote for at election time based on who looked best situated to do best going forward. That and I really hope the change in leader sees the greens leaving government as imo it’s the current governments biggest problem.

:agree: I hope so too. Hopes aren't high but then again, in January I expected Lee Johnson to have gone by now.

[WhileTheChief..]

The lady who announced the result was so out of breath walking up on stage I wasn’t sure if she would manage to finish what she was saying! She’ll be getting it tight from friends tonight I’d imagine :faf:

Ash Regan’s steely eyes said it all about her thoughts, as did Yousaf blanking talk of a role of her. No place in the new Gov for her.

Kate Forbes already saying she needs to spend time with her baby and looking forward to constituency work. Doubt we’ll see her in the new Gov, maybe back to challenge for leader depending on the next election result.

Yousaf’s family story is pretty cool. His chat about his grandparents was good and it’s pretty remarkable how his family’s fortunes have changed in 3 generations.

Can’t see much changing in the next year or so before the Holyrood election.

I’d like to see the opposition parties get their houses in order, then have the three of them outline their future for Scotland, without banging on about Indy / the union.

[Santa Cruz]

I've thought for a while Ross Greer will be moved to Education, might see the Ed Sec move to health or finance if that happens.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Just out of interest, why did you decide against voting?

Ash Reagan was actually the only one of the three i followed on social media but within just several hours of the starting gun i realised who her backers were, one down, Kate forbes was my favourite from the outset but she disappointed me two weeks ago, two down, only Humza left and i was leaning more towards him the last several days, i'm still having withdrawals about NS standing down and just really lost interest in the whole process, i only watched two hustings and decided to just let my fellow members make a more informed choice than i could.

fwiw whoever got in was getting my full support anyway, i'm positive i won't be the only one that just didn't bother to vote

i do hope Humza keeps Kate Forbes in her present position


if Angus Robertson had stood my vote would have been cast the first day of voting

[Iain G]

The lady who announced the result was so out of breath walking up on stage I wasn’t sure if she would manage to finish what she was saying! She’ll be getting it tight from friends tonight I’d imagine :faf:

Ash Regan’s steely eyes said it all about her thoughts, as did Yousaf blanking talk of a role of her. No place in the new Gov for her.

Kate Forbes already saying she needs to spend time with her baby and looking forward to constituency work. Doubt we’ll see her in the new Gov, maybe back to challenge for leader depending on the next election result.

Yousaf’s family story is pretty cool. His chat about his grandparents was good and it’s pretty remarkable how his family’s fortunes have changed in 3 generations.

Can’t see much changing in the next year or so before the Holyrood election.

I’d like to see the opposition parties get their houses in order, then have the three of them outline their future for Scotland, without banging on about Indy / the union.

Forbes can return to the 19th century for a while now :greengrin

[Just Alf]

As I've said repeatedly though. The difference is Yousaf 6 months ago was calling it undemocratic not to have an election as new leader doesn't have mandate from the voters. Fair play if he had said nothing as it generally doesn't happen.I agree in a way... but (hate that word at times!)... if its steady as she goes then the existing mandate holds won't it?

Using Truss as an example she made major changes without the back up of a wider mandate.

Apologies not sure I'm explaining that too well.

[Hibby Bairn]

Let's be honest. Yousaf is no statesman. I'm pretty certain he will crumble and fold once the reality of the day job sets in. His past performance is atrocious.

Independence, through winning more of the floating votes is now further away than ever.

Toon cooncilor makes it to First Minister.

[Mibbes Aye]

I agree in a way... but (hate that word at times!)... if its steady as she goes then the existing mandate holds won't it?

Using Truss as an example she made major changes without the back up of a wider mandate.

Apologies not sure I'm explaining that too well.

I am with you on this one. The nonsense about McConnell and McLeish is just that….nonsense. Labour and the Lib Dem’s had a formal coalition plan which wasn’t going to be changed on a whim dependent on who was elected leader. It was a partnership, not a bed of convenience made over conflicting ideologies.

I don’t want Humza to call an election, it’s fine with me.

[Since90+2]

I've thought for a while Ross Greer will be moved to Education, might see the Ed Sec move to health or finance if that happens.

I'd be very surprised if a Green is given the role of Health Minister, would be an odd move IMO.

[Paul1642]

A few on here expending Forbes to be given a top job. Any ideas what it might be.

[grunt]

Ash Regan's supporters don't seem to be very happy. SNP appears divided.

[Santa Cruz]

I'd be very surprised if a Green is given the role of Health Minister, would be an odd move IMO.

So would I, dunno who Green is :confused: I said Ross Greer for Education. Current Education Sec who's name I've forgot but I can picture her, to move to health or finance is my reshuffle guess.

[weecounty hibby]

Ash Regan's supporters don't seem to be very happy. SNP appears divided.

Ash Regans most vocal supporters were mostly Alba. The 11% who voted for her in the leadership election will most likely just get on with backing the new leader

[Since90+2]

So would I, dunno who Green is :confused: I said Ross Greer for Education. Current Education Sec who's name I've forgot but I can picture her, to move to health or finance is my reshuffle guess.

Green, as in Ross Greer is a Green MSP, not SNP. I'd be very surprised if a such a senior cabinet role is allocated outwith Humza's own party.

[Ozyhibby]

Ash Regan's supporters don't seem to be very happy. SNP appears divided.

A fair chunk of them gave their second preferences to Yousaf so Ash Regan supporters are also divided.[emoji23]


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[Santa Cruz]

Green, as in Ross Greer is a Green MSP, not SNP. I'd be very surprised if a such a senior cabinet role is allocated outwith Humza's own party.

Aah sorry, I'm a bit slow at times. I think they might have to, to keep them onside, they really need their votes. The Greens won't be impressed if the DRS scheme isn't fully implemented in all areas, same with any pause to GRA. Can see them being offered some sort of concession to keep them happy. Might not be Greer but he does stand out in that party as having quite a good understanding of the Education system imo.

[Ozyhibby]

Aah sorry, I'm a bit slow at times. I think they might have to, to keep them onside, they really need their votes. The Greens won't be impressed if the DRS scheme isn't fully implemented in all areas, same with any pause to GRA. Can see them being offered some sort of concession to keep them happy. Might not be Greer but he does stand out in that party as having quite a good understanding of the Education system imo.

GRA is now out of the hands of the parliament. That part of the Bute house agreement has been fulfilled. Deposit return scheme is in everyone’s interest. Seems even business wants this now. If there is a problem with the scheme set up then maybe a change is needed there?


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[Santa Cruz]

GRA is now out of the hands of the parliament. That part of the Bute house agreement has been fulfilled. Deposit return scheme is in everyone’s interest. Seems even business wants this now. If there is a problem with the scheme set up then maybe a change is needed there?


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All true, but Humza now saying he will wait for legal advice before going to court to challenge the UK Gov over the section 35, and he would look at pausing the DRS for small business. Just think this won't go down well with the Green's, they don't agree. Only way to change their minds is to give them something in return.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/itvborderrb/status/1640386800496590848?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Forbes sounds like she is open to a cabinet job.


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[Iain G]

A few on here expending Forbes to be given a top job. Any ideas what it might be.

John Knox?

[Stairway 2 7]

Humza saying he will challenge the section 35 order on GRA. Who is advising him, well we know who but its madness

[He's here!]

Green, as in Ross Greer is a Green MSP, not SNP. I'd be very surprised if a such a senior cabinet role is allocated outwith Humza's own party.

Greer is also almost as big a tool as Harvie and Slater. No chance he'd be let loose in a key role.

[Skol]

I am not sure what to make of this. I have a feeling humza will be relieved of his duty after the next election, but there is a chance he doesn’t even get that far. He has a tough job on his hands and based on what we have seen in other jobs, he at best will keep things as they are. However, it’s his chance to shine and good luck to him

I see he has said he will immediately ask rishi for a section 30. That is clearly him trying to put a marker down. My view is the smarter approach would be to ask Rishi to agree the parameters under which a section 30 actually takes place. He should be aiming to get that agreed and written down

He probably wants to start by saying it’s snp being in government or more likely being able to command a majority at holyrood. He might not get that but he should at least be able to get a compromise and then we know where we stand.

I think Rishi would find it hard to not agree to such talks as that really would indicate there is no way out for Scotland.

[SteveHFC]

https://twitter.com/irvinewelsh/status/1640431328796483594?s=46&t=MW7rW9XsaY_rH0m4EYSRhg

[grunt]

I see he has said he will immediately ask rishi for a section 30. That is clearly him trying to put a marker down. My view is the smarter approach would be to ask Rishi to agree the parameters under which a section 30 actually takes place. He should be aiming to get that agreed and written down.
Presumably he can ask this after Sunak has refused his first request of a s30?

"Can I have a s30?"
"No".
"In that case, under what circumstances would you grant one, oh Lord and Master?"

[Skol]

Presumably he can ask this after Sunak has refused his first request of a s30?

"Can I have a s30?"
"No".
"In that case, under what circumstances would you grant one, oh Lord and Master?"

He could do that, but my view is he would be better trying something different. We know the answer will be no.

I will ignore the lord and master nonsense.

[Stairway 2 7]

He's already asked and it's already been refused by Westminster today. He was making fun of Regan in the debate for wanting to ask. He said they need a sustained and clear lead, not sure what that specifically means

[grunt]

I will ignore the lord and master nonsense.
How else should I describe someone who I - and very few of my fellow Scots - voted for, but who has the power to decide whether Scotland can pursue its policies which were determined by democratic vote?

[Skol]

He's already asked and it's already been refused by Westminster today. He was making fun of Regan in the debate for wanting to ask. He said they need a sustained and clear lead, not sure what that specifically means

Oh, I didn’t realise he had asked already.

The contradiction in what he said and what he then did so early in his leadership is interesting. Will be hard to believe anything he now says. Or harder than it would have been:thumbsup:

[Hibs4185]

Can’t help but feel the ranking of candidates was done to
Favour Yousaf.

It seems Forbes won the most votes by 1st ranking but the second votes has carried Humza over the line.

Opposition parries will be delighted

[Moulin Yarns]

It seems Forbes won the most votes by 1st ranking but the second votes has carried Humza over the line.


1st vote

HUMZA 24336
Kate 20559
ASH 5559

[He's here!]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/98c4490c-ccaf-11ed-adc8-dcfa63cb4163?shareToken=a9e2ec5554364714976f3d8991 a7b1f3

'Loudest cheers for Yousaf's victory came from the opposition'

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/98c4490c-ccaf-11ed-adc8-dcfa63cb4163?shareToken=a9e2ec5554364714976f3d8991 a7b1f3

'Loudest cheers for Yousaf's victory came from the opposition'

The biggest advantage Yousaf now has is the low expectations set for him. Going to be very easy to surpass those. When people start to see him for themselves rather than what they read in the media, they will see that hi is more than competent. Which is why Scotland has the best run nhs in the UK.


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[marinello59]

The biggest advantage Yousaf now has is the low expectations set for him. Going to be very easy to surpass those. When people start to see him for themselves rather than what they read in the media, they will see that hi is more than competent. Which is why Scotland has the best run nhs in the UK.


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Well I suppose the SNP could have given us someone with vision, ambition and the ability to lift and unite the whole country and take it on a journey towards genuine change for the better.
Still, not being as crap as we expect will have to do for now. :greengrin

[Stairway 2 7]

The biggest advantage Yousaf now has is the low expectations set for him. Going to be very easy to surpass those. When people start to see him for themselves rather than what they read in the media, they will see that hi is more than competent. Which is why Scotland has the best run nhs in the UK.


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His biggest disadvantage is he's disliked, his approval rating is the worst for a leader taking over in my lifetime. The universally travel one way. The public think he's incompetent, the person that almost beat him said publicly that he was bad in every role he's had.

He said that Regan was nieve for wanting to ask for a section 30 you need a "Sustained settled will", he then asks. He said he would take advice on a section 35 over GRA, he then yesterday has a photoshoot with the greens and says he's taking section 35 to court.

There is only one direction this is travelling and its the same one it has over the last 6 months. I've not felt that independence has been further away than now in over a decade

[Stairway 2 7]

Well I suppose the SNP could have given us someone with vision, ambition and the ability to lift and unite the whole country and take it on a journey towards genuine change for the better.
Still, not being as crap as we expect will have to do for now. :greengrin

Simple fact is like it or not the only way independence is achieved is by winning over no voters. 90% of yes is won already. The SNP and even more so the greens don't seem to care about winning no voters

[Santa Cruz]

His biggest disadvantage is he's disliked, his approval rating is the worst for a leader taking over in my lifetime. The universally travel one way. The public think he's incompetent, the person that almost beat him said publicly that he was bad in every role he's had.

He said that Regan was nieve for wanting to ask for a section 30 you need a "Sustained settled will", he then asks. He said he would take advice on a section 35 over GRA, he then yesterday has a photoshoot with the greens and says he's taking section 35 to court.

There is only one direction this is travelling and its the same one it has over the last 6 months. I've not felt that independence has been further away than now in over a decade

You missed a u-turn on the u-turn :greengrin Think he started by saying he would absolutely challenge the section 35, then changed that to looking at legal advice, then yesterday straight back to challenging the UK Gov in court. :rolleyes:

[Stairway 2 7]

You missed a u-turn on the u-turn :greengrin Think he started by saying he would absolutely challenge the section 35, then changed that to looking at legal advice, then yesterday straight back to challenging the UK Gov in court. :rolleyes:

Pete Burns spun round less

[Smartie]

Well I suppose the SNP could have given us someone with vision, ambition and the ability to lift and unite the whole country and take it on a journey towards genuine change for the better.
Still, not being as crap as we expect will have to do for now. :greengrin

Is there anything more Scottish than scraping around to beat dismally low expectation?

[Ozyhibby]

Is there anything more Scottish than scraping around to beat dismally low expectation?

I don’t have low expectation for him.


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[ronaldo7]

Douglas Ross reported to be putting himself forward as first Minister, along with ACH. Nice to see it's an open contest and not a coronation.

[neil7908]

Douglas Ross reported to be putting himself forward as first Minister, along with ACH. Nice to see it's an open contest and not a coronation.

Really? What a bunch of weirdos

[Ozyhibby]

Douglas Ross reported to be putting himself forward as first Minister, along with ACH. Nice to see it's an open contest and not a coronation.

I think Sarwar is too. Be good for Yousaf to get that first election win against them.[emoji106]


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[grunt]

Douglas Ross reported to be putting himself forward as first Minister, along with ACH. Nice to see it's an open contest and not a coronation.
Just thinking about the possibility that Ross could be FM ...

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/bbcphilipsim/status/1640658454787289088?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Handy guide to the runners and riders for the new cabinet.


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[Santa Cruz]

I think Sarwar is too. Be good for Yousaf to get that first election win against them.[emoji106]


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It's not an election, it's a parliamentary vote. Humza got his first election result yesterday, think just over a third of all party members backed him. :aok:

[WeeRussell]

Really? What a bunch of weirdos

In fairness, apparently it’s something to do with a radge process that I don’t understand. And the little worm freely admitted he expects to get trounced as usual.

[JeMeSouviens]

Apparently Alex Cole-Hamilton has ruled out going into a coalition with Yousaf's SNP. :confused:

[Andy Bee]

Apparently Alex Cole-Hamilton has ruled out going into a coalition with Yousaf's SNP. :confused:

Aye and I've ruled myself out of being Maya Jama's partner. :agree:

[Santa Cruz]

https://twitter.com/bbcphilipsim/status/1640658454787289088?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

Handy guide to the runners and riders for the new cabinet.


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Quite hard to pick anyone out from the MSP's I've heard of. Thinking Ben McPherson and Mairi McAllan could be promoted to Cabinet. Any predictions?

[Ozyhibby]

Quite hard to pick anyone out from the MSP's I've heard of. Thinking Ben McPherson and Mairi McAllan could be promoted to Cabinet. Any predictions?

Not really. I guess everything depends on how close he brings in Forbes. If I was him it would be very very close. That was a very close race and he needs to win over the other side of the party and also because she is probably one of the most capable people on the party. If you want success then you need good people.


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[ronaldo7]

It's not an election, it's a parliamentary vote. Humza got his first election result yesterday, think just over a third of all party members backed him. :aok:

He's actually been elected to Parliament since 2011. Yesterday was just another in a long line of victories for him. :aok:

[Mibbes Aye]

The biggest advantage Yousaf now has is the low expectations set for him. Going to be very easy to surpass those. When people start to see him for themselves rather than what they read in the media, they will see that hi is more than competent. Which is why Scotland has the best run nhs in the UK.


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Given the recent personal experiences of a number of our posters and their loved ones, as described on the NHS thread do you not think your last line is a bit naff?

None of them blamed Humza. None of them blamed the SNP. They just knew it wasn’t right and said so.

I doubt any of them stopped to think “You know what, it’s alright because I keep getting told it would be worse if I was in Southampton or Swansea”.

[Stairway 2 7]

He's actually been elected to Parliament since 2011. Yesterday was just another in a long line of victories for him. :aok:

The only one I'm interested in is independence that's why I vote for them. Will he win that or will be in the same place in other 9 years

[Ozyhibby]

Given the recent personal experiences of a number of our posters and their loved ones, as described on the NHS thread do you not think your last line is a bit naff?

None of them blamed Humza. None of them blamed the SNP. They just knew it wasn’t right and said so.

I doubt any of them stopped to think “You know what, it’s alright because I keep getting told it would be worse if I was in Southampton or Swansea”.

Within the current UK set up it isn’t really possible to reform the nhs unless England chooses to do so. Reform will cost up front investment and only the UK govt can provide that. So we are all stuck using a close variant of whatever England has. It’s not ideal but it’s what we have. Yousaf has managed to make the best of it. Labour in Wales has not.
As for being a bit naff? You seem perfectly capable of switching from serious points to political knockabout and back again yourself.
Still it was indeed better they were here rather than Swansea or Southampton.
We can compare with other health services if we like, I’m all for it but not to knock the SNP with because we don’t have the autonomy to do what other countries do.
With a bit of luck, Labour wins in England and starts to look at reforming in England? Who knows as I haven’t heard him mention health that much? If they do that then it’s possible Scotland could either do the same or similar reforms.
I’ve spoke about it before but the current set up is unsustainable. It’s is going to crash eventually. Probably in England first. I doubt it will get much serious attention until that day.


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[ronaldo7]

The only one I'm interested in is independence that's why I vote for them. Will he win that or will be in the same place in other 9 years

No crystal ball here I'm afraid. He's got an uphill battle, of that there's no doubt. Let's see who he places in cabinet and take it from there. The noise will abate, and it'll be back to business. At what speed we'll have to see.

[Stairway 2 7]

No crystal ball here I'm afraid. He's got an uphill battle, of that there's no doubt. Let's see who he places in cabinet and take it from there. The noise will abate, and it'll be back to business. At what speed we'll have to see.

Back to business the last 6 months has been falling poll numbers and crashing member figures. Looks like he's going to keep going with the disaster that was GRA too. I pray its not business as usual as that business is no good for actually getting independence, which should be quite important for an independence party

[Mibbes Aye]

Within the current UK set up it isn’t really possible to reform the nhs unless England chooses to do so. Reform will cost up front investment and only the UK govt can provide that. So we are all stuck using a close variant of whatever England has. It’s not ideal but it’s what we have. Yousaf has managed to make the best of it. Labour in Wales has not.
As for being a bit naff? You seem perfectly capable of switching from serious points to political knockabout and back again yourself.
Still it was indeed better they were here rather than Swansea or Southampton.
We can compare with other health services if we like, I’m all for it but not to knock the SNP with because we don’t have the autonomy to do what other countries do.
With a bit of luck, Labour wins in England and starts to look at reforming in England? Who knows as I haven’t heard him mention health that much? If they do that then it’s possible Scotland could either do the same or similar reforms.
I’ve spoke about it before but the current set up is unsustainable. It’s is going to crash eventually. Probably in England first. I doubt it will get much serious attention until that day.


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Yeah, I was maybe a bit harsh on you there, my bad. But if it’s not naff then at least get some new lines, I will write them for you myself if that’s what it takes 😀

As far as NHS reform goes in Scotland, the SG must think they can do something. There have been countless strategies and transformation plans for acute health, acute and primary health and for health and social care since 2007. Part of the problem is short-termism which all parties can be guilty of. Significant change of the magnitude required requires sticking to a coherent strategy for ten or fifteen years, easily.

[WeeRussell]

I will write them for you myself if that’s what it takes 😀.

Please, please, please just stick with original Oz.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/bbcphilipsim/status/1640715818488168450?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

3rd place for Anas Sarwar. So much for Labour revival.[emoji6][emoji23]


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[grunt]

https://twitter.com/bbcphilipsim/status/1640715818488168450?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

3rd place for Anas Sarwar. So much for Labour revival.[emoji6][emoji23]

Straight down party lines, with Greens voting with SNP.

[Berwickhibby]

Shows that even if you have been an utter disaster at every post you have held, you can still reach the top 🙄

[Kato]

Shows that even if you have been an utter disaster at every post you have held, you can still reach the top [emoji849]Boris Johnson already showed that.

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[Mibbes Aye]

https://twitter.com/bbcphilipsim/status/1640715818488168450?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

3rd place for Anas Sarwar. So much for Labour revival.[emoji6][emoji23]


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Even Grunt wasn’t letting you away with that post 😂

[Ozyhibby]

Even Grunt wasn’t letting you away with that post [emoji23]

[emoji23]


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[ronaldo7]

Shona Robison is the new DFM.

[Stairway 2 7]

Shona Robison is the new DFM.

The minister responsible for GRR. I guess with this path they aren't taking any heed to the fact Forbes was more popular with the public and got almost half of members votes in second round

[Moulin Yarns]

https://twitter.com/bbcphilipsim/status/1640715818488168450?s=46&t=3pb_w_qndxJXScFNwz8V4A

3rd place for Anas Sarwar. So much for Labour revival.[emoji6][emoji23]


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That's a revival,

they managed to hold onto 3rd place 😉

[Mibbes Aye]

Shona Robison is the new DFM.

I genuinely don’t know whether to laugh or cry. Genuinely.