Tavares and Bojang

[K-Zazu]

Anyone know why they weren’t in the squad on Thursday? Are they injured?

[Brightside]

They aren’t very good?

[Unseen work]

Surprised about Tavares as he looked good during the break.

Bojang is a weird one in that Johnson’s latest interview he smirked when asked where he was. Answered saying he is fit before stopping himself from saying something he shouldn’t before repeating “yeah, he’s fit”

[Heisenberg]

Tavares will be on big money I think. Long deal too. Dreadful waste of money that we have the manager to thank for signing.

[Northernhibee]

Tavares will be on big money I think. Long deal too. Dreadful waste of money that we have the manager to thank for signing.

Not the job of a competent recruitment team to go "yeah, I don't think this player is as good as you think" or someone in charge of the purse strings to not blow too much money on them either, no?

We've binned a decent head of recruitment after one underwhelming window and brought in someone whose skillset appears to be a passing knowledge of Microsoft Excel looking from the outside in. I don't think it's a coincidence that we've blown a huge amount of money on utter dross since the change was made.

I didn't think it could get much worse than Sylvester Jasper and yet here we are.

[easty]

Tavares will be on big money I think. Long deal too. Dreadful waste of money that we have the manager to thank for signing.

No chance he’s on big money.

Big money why? He came as a Portuguese second division player.

[easty]

They aren’t very good?

The obvious answer.

[Stonewall]

They aren’t very good?

Thread closed.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Not the job of a competent recruitment team to go "yeah, I don't think this player is as good as you think" or someone in charge of the purse strings to not blow too much money on them either, no?

We've binned a decent head of recruitment after one underwhelming window and brought in someone whose skillset appears to be a passing knowledge of Microsoft Excel looking from the outside in. I don't think it's a coincidence that we've blown a huge amount of money on utter dross since the change was made.

I didn't think it could get much worse than Sylvester Jasper and yet here we are.

To be fair I’m not sure anyone we’ve signed is as bad as Jasper. He was truly god awful.

[thebausburst]

Tavares is absolutely honking, Bojang is like a joke signing

[Jones28]

Tavares actually looks sharp and like he might be finding his feet in the game I saw over the World Cup break.

[jeffers]

No chance he’s on big money.

Big money why? He came as a Portuguese second division player.

Out of interest what would you class as big money ? I’ve posted this before, he’s not our top earner by any manner of means but the figure I did hear I’d call big money.

[hibsforeurope]

No chance he’s on big money.

Big money why? He came as a Portuguese second division player.

He’ll be on fairly decent money to pass the visa stipulations. Neither will have enough points ordinarily to qualify for visas. They would need to be show. To be significant benefit to the business to qualify on appeal.

[JimBHibees]

Tavares actually looks sharp and like he might be finding his feet in the game I saw over the World Cup break.

The guy needs a chance surprised he wasn't on the bench at ibrox

[SlickShoes]

Out of interest what would you class as big money ? I’ve posted this before, he’s not our top earner by any manner of means but the figure I did hear I’d call big money.

What’s the figure? Please just say it instead of all this obfuscation nonsense.

[HIBS NUTS]

Anyone know why they weren’t in the squad on Thursday? Are they injured?

Bojang is one of the worst players i’ve seen for the development team, most fans woudnt believe how bad he looks.

[jeffers]

What’s the figure? Please just say it instead of all this obfuscation nonsense.

I’m not posting on a public forum the wages of someone. I may not rate him as a player but I’ll give him at least that consideration.

[Bridge hibs]

Bojang is one of the worst players i’ve seen for the development team, most fans woudnt believe how bad he looks.How bad does he look ? Players dress sense nowadays is pretty shocking to be fair

[Iain G]

Out of interest what would you class as big money ? I’ve posted this before, he’s not our top earner by any manner of means but the figure I did hear I’d call big money.

Big money means they get paid by one of those big comedy charity cheques each month 😁

[SaulGoodman]

I’m not posting on a public forum the wages of someone. I may not rate him as a player but I’ll give him at least that consideration.

You’ll hint at it though?

[jeffers]

You’ll hint at it though?

And ?

[raeburnhibs]

And ?

I think Tavares MAY have something, but if we are paying him any more than 1500 quid a week, we, the Club is even more stupid than we currently look, which is already very!

[SaulGoodman]

And ?

Just don’t get the point. “I’ve heard such and such. Not going to tell anyone though”

Just don’t say anything at all then.

[jeffers]

Just don’t get the point. “I’ve heard such and such. Not going to tell anyone though”

Just don’t say anything at all then.

I’m posting we are paying good money to a player who has so far looked totally out of his depth and contributed F all, countering the argument that he was a cheap punt and his lack of impact isn’t much to be concerned about. The only thing I haven’t given is the specific figure.

[heretoday]

I dunno how these bods ever end up at ER. It's a revolving door of the world's C-list players.

[blackpoolhibs]

To be fair, £100 a week is big money for those pair, and that's between them.

[Northernhibee]

I’m posting we are paying good money to a player who has so far looked totally out of his depth and contributed F all, countering the argument that he was a cheap punt and his lack of impact isn’t much to be concerned about. The only thing I haven’t given is the specific figure.

Appreciate your posts, cheers :aok:

[jeffers]

Appreciate your posts, cheers :aok:

Thank you. I don’t set out with the intention of being vague. It’s a balancing act between posting info others on here may be interested in and not betraying the confidence of the people who told me in the first place.

[Northernhibee]

Thank you. I don’t set out with the intention of being vague. It’s a balancing act between posting info others on here may be interested in and not betraying the confidence of the people who told me in the first place.

Understandable and always feel you post enough to get the message across.

[basehibby]

Not the job of a competent recruitment team to go "yeah, I don't think this player is as good as you think" or someone in charge of the purse strings to not blow too much money on them either, no?

We've binned a decent head of recruitment after one underwhelming window and brought in someone whose skillset appears to be a passing knowledge of Microsoft Excel looking from the outside in. I don't think it's a coincidence that we've blown a huge amount of money on utter dross since the change was made.

I didn't think it could get much worse than Sylvester Jasper and yet here we are.

I don't think Tavares is anything like "utter dross" - has the potential to be very good for us.

Bojong - I'll give you that.

[jeffers]

Understandable and always feel you post enough to get the message across.

Thanks again Nh.

[cameronw-hfc]

Hilarious how so many people have written of a 21yo after what, one start? Give him a chance ffs.

[Vault Boy]

Who’d have thought a loan signing from *checks notes* Rainbow FC wouldn’t work out?

[Northernhibee]

Who’d have thought a loan signing from *checks notes* Rainbow FC wouldn’t work out?

You could see from the highlights video that was posted when he signed how poor the quality of defence he was up against. It's alarming that the club thought he was worth a gamble, pace aside I genuinely think I see more quality from certain players at my local junior side.

[scoopyboy]

I had heard Bojang was away.

[Bridge hibs]

You could see from the highlights video that was posted when he signed how poor the quality of defence he was up against. It's alarming that the club thought he was worth a gamble, pace aside I genuinely think I see more quality from certain players at my local junior side.Any better or worse than some of the defences Boyle played against for Montrose ? Didnt work out too bad for him in the end. Some players are worth a punt, some work out, some dont. Good luck to the lad

[Johnny_Leith]

Bojang might go down as one of the worst Hibs strikers of the last 20/30 years? There's been a few but he's been so out his depth. Not his fault mind, he should never have been at Hibs in the first place never mind getting game time.

[SaulGoodman]

Any better or worse than some of the defences Boyle played against for Montrose ? Didnt work out too bad for him in the end. Some players are worth a punt, some work out, some dont. Good luck to the lad

Much worse than a Montrose defence. The clips were laughable tbf.

[HendoDelivered]

I think Tavares comes good for us. Probably next season, I would stick with him. Defo something there with him.

Bojang however… honking. Hate prejudging players but kinda thought this one had disaster written all over if from the get go. Luckily it is just a loan deal.

[Northernhibee]

Any better or worse than some of the defences Boyle played against for Montrose ? Didnt work out too bad for him in the end. Some players are worth a punt, some work out, some dont. Good luck to the lad

We signed Boyle from Dundee, and Boyle back at Dundee was a considerably better player than Bojang is.

It's quite possible he was a better player at Montrose than Bojang is now.

[jeffers]

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but you wonder if we’d taken Bojang on trial with us to Portugal would we have made a decision that he wasn’t worth signing. Though I guess the same could be said for some of our other signings.

[Hibees1973]

I dunno how these bods ever end up at ER. It's a revolving door of the world's C-list players.

Down to the Head of Recruitment. Ron's son.

Tavares, Bojang, Henderson and McKirdy should be the first 4 out the door.

They are all lightweights and offer absolutely nothing.

A disgrace they have all worn a Hibs jersey.

[Bridge hibs]

We signed Boyle from Dundee, and Boyle back at Dundee was a considerably better player than Bojang is.

It's quite possible he was a better player at Montrose than Bojang is now.Yeah, probably not the brst example

[IberianHibernian]

Tavares actually looks sharp and like he might be finding his feet in the game I saw over the World Cup break.Yes. I thought he was our best player against Raith last week so imagine he`ll have got injured in training if not even on bench at ibrox . Now we`ve got Nisbet back we might start to benefit from Tavares´pace especially with a fit McGeady adding creativity too . Can`t comment on Bojang since I`ve hardly seen him play . Others here have presumably seen him in training . Apologies in advance for seeing ( not looking for ) positives in some of our players since any threads starting with names of players seem to be only to berate players and lay into club . Whatever happens with Tavares and Bojang I think the club deserve praise for looking further afield for signings like with Uruguayan defender we were very near to signing .

[Hibees1973]

Yes. I thought he was our best player against Raith last week so imagine he`ll have got injured in training if not even on bench at ibrox . Now we`ve got Nisbet back we might start to benefit from Tavares´pace especially with a fit McGeady adding creativity too . Can`t comment on Bojang since I`ve hardly seen him play . Others here have presumably seen him in training . Apologies in advance for seeing ( not looking for ) positives in some of our players since any threads starting with names of players seem to be only to berate players and lay into club . Whatever happens with Tavares and Bojang I think the club deserve praise for looking further afield for signings like with Uruguayan defender we were very near to signing .

'Club deserve praise for looking further afield'

Sorry, but Ron's son's recruitment team have shown a complete lack of competence by looking further afield. We should have signed so many more proven and experienced players for the first team, for example Marshall.

These punts on Tavares, Bojang, Miller, etc have been a complete waste of time and money. Surely we cannot praise the recruitment team for looking further afield if this is what they have come up with. Even players such as Henderson and McKirdy who have either not played many games or have played at a really low level have been a waste as well.

Kenneh & Melkersen have some ability and could become good players given time but are not what we need just now. It's impossible to blood these young players in a struggling side. We are in a relegation fight because of poor recruitment and because of this we are throwing players in the team who are nowhere ready to perform in the SPFL.

We are a club which has a massive squad, but very little quality to pick from.

Shambles.

[Donegal Hibby]

'Club deserve praise for looking further afield'

Sorry, but Ron's son's recruitment team have shown a complete lack of competence by looking further afield. We should have signed so many more proven and experienced players for the first team, for example Marshall.

These punts on Tavares, Bojang, Miller, etc have been a complete waste of time and money. Surely we cannot praise the recruitment team for looking further afield if this is what they have come up with. Even players such as Henderson and McKirdy who have either not played many games or have played at a really low level have been a waste as well.

Kenneh & Melkersen have some ability and could become good players given time but are not what we need just now. It's impossible to blood these young players in a struggling side. We are in a relegation fight because of poor recruitment and because of this we are throwing players in the team who are nowhere ready to perform in the SPFL.

We are a club which has a massive squad, but very little quality to pick from.

Shambles.
Boyles another experience player we signed and we showed great ambition to get him back.The complete waste of money you refer to in Tavares he's a young player that's probably taken time to adjust and has looked good recently , bojang wouldn't have cost much and we are just having a look at him ( loan deal to end of season) . Miller really harsh to say he's a complete waste of money when we have hardly seen him due to being unlucky with injuries ! Don't think we are in a relegation fight at all , yes 5 points of the play offs though also the same of 3rd spot too !

[thebausburst]

Boyles another experience player we signed and we showed great ambition to get him back.The complete waste of money you refer to in Tavares he's a young player that's probably taken time to adjust and has looked good recently , bojang wouldn't have cost much and we are just having a look at him ( loan deal to end of season) . Miller really harsh to say he's a complete waste of money when we have hardly seen him due to being unlucky with injuries ! Don't think we are in a relegation fight at all , yes 5 points of the play offs though also the same of 3rd spot too !

Where does all this Tavares has looked good recently stuff come from, when was this? guys completely rank.

[basehibby]

Where does all this Tavares has looked good recently stuff come from, when was this? guys completely rank.

You are spouting gibberish - it's no the ba' that's burst - it's your brain.

[Lago]

And ?
Why do that, just to draw attention to yourself?

[Unseen work]

Where does all this Tavares has looked good recently stuff come from, when was this? guys completely rank.

Couple of sub appearances and the two friendlies he looked promising.

Very sharp, looked after the ball well and was direct, beating his man consistently

[jeffers]

Why do that, just to draw attention to yourself?

Read my subsequent post where I explained myself.

[Brooster]

I think Tavares MAY have something, but if we are paying him any more than 1500 quid a week, we, the Club is even more stupid than we currently look, which is already very!

You can double that then add some more. He's a complete waste of money. He's crap.

[Donegal Hibby]

A young man that's moved away from his family in Portugal to join our club , having to adapt to different weather , food and everything else that comes with a life changing move also probably not knowing many people in Scotland as well . That must have taken some courage on his part to do imo . He's not even a year at us and he's been badly treated at one of the matches he played in now he's getting called a ' waste of money ' . Awful comments and treatment he's been getting when what we should all be doing is being patient with this young man and giving him our utmost support!

[Viva_Palmeiras]

A young man that's moved away from his family in Portugal to join our club , having to adapt to different weather , food and everything else that comes with a life changing move also probably not knowing many people in Scotland as well . That must have taken some courage on his part to do imo . He's not even a year at us and he's been badly treated at one of the matches he played in now he's getting called a ' waste of money ' . Awful comments and treatment he's been getting when what we should all be doing is being patient with this young man and giving him our utmost support!

It is indeed a funny old game Saint. And I’m with you.
One of the things that is tough and takes a time to adjust is the lack of light.

Back our players, if the manager / Hibs recruited and picks him then he deserves our support whilst he’s here I can’t fathom the alternative esp if we have young players that need time and support - why would we not do that - absolutely bonkers. I do wonder if some of the folks that berate players are frustrated players themselves that were not good enough and imagine they could do a better job - maybe they could but that sort of stuff is a bit futile.

[jeffers]

A young man that's moved away from his family in Portugal to join our club , having to adapt to different weather , food and everything else that comes with a life changing move also probably not knowing many people in Scotland as well . That must have taken some courage on his part to do imo . He's not even a year at us and he's been badly treated at one of the matches he played in now he's getting called a ' waste of money ' . Awful comments and treatment he's been getting when what we should all be doing is being patient with this young man and giving him our utmost support!

Folk are calling it as they see it. Maybe he will come good, but so far it’s looking unlikely, so as it stands he has been a waste of money. Fair play to Brooster to more or less putting a figure to what he’s being paid each week. The other point to remember is we are struggling with too many of our signings of the summer offering nowhere near enough. Maybe that’s harsh on Tavares but when we are paying him decent money, it’s now mid December and he’s offered heehaw the value we are getting from him will rightly be questioned imo.

[Donegal Hibby]

It is indeed a funny old game Saint. And I’m with you.
One of the things that is tough and takes a time to adjust is the lack of light.

Back our players, if the manager / Hibs recruited and picks him then he deserves our support whilst he’s here I can’t fathom the alternative esp if we have young players that need time and support - why would we not do that - absolutely bonkers. I do wonder if some of the folks that berate players are frustrated players themselves that were not good enough and imagine they could do a better job - maybe they could but that sort of stuff is a bit futile.
Very good post V _ P , I think a lot might be down to things not going so well and people looking for someone to blame though I find in Jair Tavares case it's quite unfair , he's probably one of our young players that needs our patience and support more than our other young players. Our support and patience will only help him while passing a unfair judgement and criticizing him doesn't do him or the club any good!

[Donegal Hibby]

Folk are calling it as they see it. Maybe he will come good, but so far it’s looking unlikely, so as it stands he has been a waste of money. Fair play to Brooster to more or less putting a figure to what he’s being paid each week. The other point to remember is we are struggling with too many of our signings of the summer offering nowhere near enough. Maybe that’s harsh on Tavares but when we are paying him decent money, it’s now mid December and he’s offered heehaw the value we are getting from him will rightly be questioned imo.
Folk are calling it as they see it as you say is away to early imo he's not even been at us a year and the comments of he's no good and a waste of money are ridiculous.Some players don't settle in right away and take time to adapt, Tavares has more to adapt to than most and needs patience and support which he's not getting , totally the opposite actually with him racially abused by one of our own fans in all . Last few times he's played he's looked lively and direct and has been beating his man quite often. You say maybe he will come good that's my point nobody knows yet so why pass judgement on a young foreign player that's probably still adapting to everything much more beneficial to support the guy . I also wonder how anyone knows a Hibs players salary that's got me really baffled too.

[JimBHibees]

Who’d have thought a loan signing from *checks notes* Rainbow FC wouldn’t work out?

Thought he was playing in the Portuguese u23 league

[JimBHibees]

Folk are calling it as they see it as you say is away to early imo he's not even been at us a year and the comments of he's no good and a waste of money are ridiculous.Some players don't settle in right away and take time to adapt, Tavares has more to adapt to than most and needs patience and support which he's not getting , totally the opposite actually with him racially abused by one of our own fans in all . Last few times he's played he's looked lively and direct and has been beating his man quite often. You say maybe he will come good that's my point nobody knows yet so why pass judgement on a young foreign player that's probably still adapting to everything much more beneficial to support the guy . I also wonder how anyone knows a Hibs players salary that's got me really baffled too.

Agree we are ridiculously quick to write players off. His video reel showed he had something and as you say will take time for him to settle in.

[jeffers]

Folk are calling it as they see it as you say is away to early imo he's not even been at us a year and the comments of he's no good and a waste of money are ridiculous.Some players don't settle in right away and take time to adapt, Tavares has more to adapt to than most and needs patience and support which he's not getting , totally the opposite actually with him racially abused by one of our own fans in all . Last few times he's played he's looked lively and direct and has been beating his man quite often. You say maybe he will come good that's my point nobody knows yet so why pass judgement on a young foreign player that's probably still adapting to everything much more beneficial to support the guy . I also wonder how anyone knows a Hibs players salary that's got me really baffled too.

It’s mid December. Has he contributed anything of note so far ? So at present however harsh a comment stating he’s a waste of money may seem it’s not inaccurate. I’m not defending the comment made at Dundee Utd, but it was one isolated incident, by one individual. I’ve not heard anything to suggest he doesn’t get supported in the game time he’s had with us. Personally I think he’s not looked as bad in the past few games as he did against Livingston away, but it’s still nothing to get excited at by any means imo.

Do you not think people know Hibs players, board members, agents etc. ? Edinburgh is a small place, people talk and information does get out.

It’s a general theme, but we as a club cannot afford to be paying big money on transfers for players who may come good in a few years time or wages on guys who are offering nothing, not while the first team is struggling badly and the riches of European group stage football is available.

[Sir David Gray]

Thought he was playing in the Portuguese u23 league

He was on loan there from Rainbow FC before he then went on loan to us.

[Brooster]

How long does he need to settle in? There's young players all over the world who settle in and hit the ground running. He's been here 6 months and is still crap. He's on a 5 year deal at more than £3k a week. Our recruitment department need to have a serious word with themselves because he's not the only summer signing who is horrendous.

[Iain G]

How long does he need to settle in? There's young players all over the world who settle in and hit the ground running. He's been here 6 months and is still crap. He's on a 5 year deal at more than £3k a week. Our recruitment department need to have a serious word with themselves because he's not the only summer signing who is horrendous.

6 months, 12 days, 7 hours, 43 minutes and 2.5 seconds, then he will magically be all settled in like a native.

[blackpoolhibs]

A young man that's moved away from his family in Portugal to join our club , having to adapt to different weather , food and everything else that comes with a life changing move also probably not knowing many people in Scotland as well . That must have taken some courage on his part to do imo . He's not even a year at us and he's been badly treated at one of the matches he played in now he's getting called a ' waste of money ' . Awful comments and treatment he's been getting when what we should all be doing is being patient with this young man and giving him our utmost support!

I long for the day we sign a player and they are ready for the first team the moment they put the ink on the contract. :violin:

[SMAXXA]

How long does he need to settle in? There's young players all over the world who settle in and hit the ground running. He's been here 6 months and is still crap. He's on a 5 year deal at more than £3k a week. Our recruitment department need to have a serious word with themselves because he's not the only summer signing who is horrendous.

He’s nowhere near as bad as he’s being made out to be that’s for sure. There have been plenty players that join a club and it takes time for them to hit the levels they need, Boyle wasn’t great when he signed as an example. Why folk can’t be patient baffles me. Even Newall to a point was crap when he signed albeit played out of position and he’s far improved.

[Callum_62]

He’s nowhere near as bad as he’s being made out to be that’s for sure. There have been plenty players that join a club and it takes time for them to hit the levels they need, Boyle wasn’t great when he signed as an example. Why folk can’t be patient baffles me. Even Newall to a point was crap when he signed albeit played out of position and he’s far improved.I remember a certain player called Emmanuel Petit who was ridiculed by all in sundry in his first season in England

He was 27 and coming from France but yet it took him a full season to look anything but poor

I believe Wenger said it take a season for foreign players to fully settle

I'm certainly no writing anyone off after so little football

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[J-C]

Thought he was playing in the Portuguese u23 league

He was but don't let facts get in the way of someone having a go at the club or a player.

[B.H.F.C]

He’s nowhere near as bad as he’s being made out to be that’s for sure. There have been plenty players that join a club and it takes time for them to hit the levels they need, Boyle wasn’t great when he signed as an example. Why folk can’t be patient baffles me. Even Newall to a point was crap when he signed albeit played out of position and he’s far improved.

Boyle wasn’t the player he turned in to but he was a threat and has one very obvious attribute. Tavares has shown zilch. There has to be a bit in between where you see a bit of something in players but we haven’t seen anything from Tavares (he’s not alone in that).

If the answer is just to ‘be patient’ with these players then we’ll find ourselves in The Championship.

[Iain G]

Boyle wasn’t the player he turned in to but he was a threat and has one very obvious attribute. Tavares has shown zilch. There has to be a bit in between where you see a bit of something in players but we haven’t seen anything from Tavares (he’s not alone in that).

If the answer is just to ‘be patient’ with these players then we’ll find ourselves in The Championship.

But we have fun in the championship 🤣😁🥳

[hibsbollah]

I remember a certain player called Emmanuel Petit who was ridiculed by all in sundry in his first season in England

He was 27 and coming from France but yet it took him a full season to look anything but poor

I believe Wenger said it take a season for foreign players to fully settle

I'm certainly no writing anyone off after so little football

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I hate to contradict but Petit joined summer of 97 and won the double in his first season at Arsenal. Arsène may well have said those words but he was pretty much an instant success next to Vieira in one of the first pivot midfields.

But I agree with your general point.

[Brooster]

He’s nowhere near as bad as he’s being made out to be that’s for sure. There have been plenty players that join a club and it takes time for them to hit the levels they need, Boyle wasn’t great when he signed as an example. Why folk can’t be patient baffles me. Even Newall to a point was crap when he signed albeit played out of position and he’s far improved.

Smally you're a football coach, do you think Taveres is going to turn in to a player?

[Heisenberg]

Boyle wasn’t the player he turned in to but he was a threat and has one very obvious attribute. Tavares has shown zilch. There has to be a bit in between where you see a bit of something in players but we haven’t seen anything from Tavares (he’s not alone in that).

If the answer is just to ‘be patient’ with these players then we’ll find ourselves in The Championship.

Pretty much this. We aren’t in a position to be patient. We’re currently dropping down the league and losing games regularly. We need players to contribute and quickly. Tavares has been a massive waste of money as it stands.

The boy Aberdeen signed, although he’s a cheat, has given them way more and he was signed from the exact same team/level.

[B.H.F.C]

Pretty much this. We aren’t in a position to be patient. We’re currently dropping down the league and losing games regularly. We need players to contribute and quickly. Tavares has been a massive waste of money as it stands.

The boy Aberdeen signed, although he’s a cheat, has given them way more and he was signed from the exact same team/level.

Agree. I’ve said multiple times that I don’t believe a lot of the frustration is being aimed at the individual players, it’s at the club. If you have a functioning and performing team then it’s fine bringing in a Melkersen or a Tavares and being patient. It also gives them a fairer crack at things when they get on to the pitch.

When you look at how last season went and how this season is going, it’s hardly surprising there is a lack of patience.

[Unseen work]

He’s nowhere near as bad as he’s being made out to be that’s for sure. There have been plenty players that join a club and it takes time for them to hit the levels they need, Boyle wasn’t great when he signed as an example. Why folk can’t be patient baffles me. Even Newall to a point was crap when he signed albeit played out of position and he’s far improved.

Absolutely, the stick he’s got based on very very little game time is madness.

Most people from Scotland moving to Portugal would probably take a while to adapt in a normal job, never mind football.

New in a country and one of your only starts is against Livi on an artificial pitch where he was just getting booted at every oppertunity. He wouldn’t have experienced anything like that before.

He’ll come good if given a chance

[Callum_62]

I hate to contradict but Petit joined summer of 97 and won the double in his first season at Arsenal. Arsène may well have said those words but he was pretty much an instant success next to Vieira in one of the first pivot midfields.

But I agree with your general point.Hmm, I didn't check but you raw right - maybe it was the initial part of the season

I have a vivid memory of him having a mare and almost feeling sorry for him as the comms were basically saying he's no where near good enough

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[CyberSauzee]

I remember a certain player called Emmanuel Petit who was ridiculed by all in sundry in his first season in England

He was 27 and coming from France but yet it took him a full season to look anything but poor

I believe Wenger said it take a season for foreign players to fully settle

I'm certainly no writing anyone off after so little football

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I hate to contradict but Petit joined summer of 97 and won the double in his first season at Arsenal. Arsène may well have said those words but he was pretty much an instant success next to Vieira in one of the first pivot midfields.

But I agree with your general point.

It was Robert Pires who was absolute garbage for the first 6 months or so he was at Arsenal. Signed in 2000, fans wanted rid of him. He helped them win the league the next year and won player of the year awards.

So your point is very valid about taking time for players to settle.

[Callum_62]

It was Robert Pires who was absolute garbage for the first 6 months or so he was at Arsenal. Signed in 2000, fans wanted rid of him. He helped them win the league the next year and won player of the year awards.

So your point is very valid about taking time for players to settle.Mind im nearing 40 so I could be confusing them [emoji23][emoji23]

Point is the same, some folk will hit ground running but lots of (particulary) younger players from overseas take time to adapt

Hibs have/had high hope for Jair but I remember LJ talking about him settling or trying to adapt to the Scottish game

I think we ridicule far too quickly as a fan base or certainly as a message board



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[hibsbollah]

Mind im nearing 40 so I could be confusing them [emoji23][emoji23]

Point is the same, some folk will hit ground running but lots of (particulary) younger players from overseas take time to adapt

Hibs have/had high hope for Jair but I remember LJ talking about him settling or trying to adapt to the Scottish game

I think we ridicule far too quickly as a fan base or certainly as a message board



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Wait till you hit 50, happens to me all the time :greengrin

Interesting thing about Petit, my cousin lives in the new housing development on the site of the old Highbury; you can still see the outlines of the old pitch where there are now landscaped gardens etc. Manu Petit is one of his neighbours, he must have developed a soft spot for the club for him to have kept a house in the old stadium.

[Mainstandman]

I'm happy to be patient but they need to show something but maybe inconsistent. I'll stick up for Bojang a bit, yes he's shown some poor play but in the the few mins he's been on the pitch in every game he's got into a position to have a shot at goal which is more than can be said for the vast majority of the others.

[MrRobot]

Boyle wasn’t the player he turned in to but he was a threat and has one very obvious attribute. Tavares has shown zilch. There has to be a bit in between where you see a bit of something in players but we haven’t seen anything from Tavares (he’s not alone in that).

If the answer is just to ‘be patient’ with these players then we’ll find ourselves in The Championship.

Maybe if we seen him for longer than 10 minutes in a game we might get to see what type of player he is.

[raeburnhibs]

How long does he need to settle in? There's young players all over the world who settle in and hit the ground running. He's been here 6 months and is still crap. He's on a 5 year deal at more than £3k a week. Our recruitment department need to have a serious word with themselves because he's not the only summer signing who is horrendous.

North of 3k? for 5 years? Wow, for promise and potential? which more than likely will be unfulfilled

[Donegal Hibby]

It’s mid December. Has he contributed anything of note so far ? So at present however harsh a comment stating he’s a waste of money may seem it’s not inaccurate. I’m not defending the comment made at Dundee Utd, but it was one isolated incident, by one individual. I’ve not heard anything to suggest he doesn’t get supported in the game time he’s had with us. Personally I think he’s not looked as bad in the past few games as he did against Livingston away, but it’s still nothing to get excited at by any means imo.

Do you not think people know Hibs players, board members, agents etc. ? Edinburgh is a small place, people talk and information does get out.

It’s a general theme, but we as a club cannot afford to be paying big money on transfers for players who may come good in a few years time or wages on guys who are offering nothing, not while the first team is struggling badly and the riches of European group stage football is available.
It is mid December and he's has had a slow start but maybe you and others should look at it from a different angle being it can't be easy for him to make such a move at such a young age . (And it shows great courage on his part btw) The lifestyle changes for him must be massive as well as missing his family and home must be very hard on the guy .I always felt he was going to need time specially with trying to adapt to our league which I'd say is much quicker and definitely more physical . He's only 21year old lad who's not even a year at us yet and needs a lot more time to adjust and adapt , calling him a waste of money is harsh and unfair at this stage in his development imo . The one isolated incident , by one individual as you say was about as bad as you can get and must have hurt him greatly ( it would me) probably have a effect on his football too . If he's getting criticised on here it's more than likely he's getting it at games too . I've seen fans before booing and hurling abuse at players before at ER for nothing else than there own gratification. Sad really . Of course people know board members, players, Agents and so on and people do talk , problem with people talking though the story grows arms and legs the more it's talked about at times .Missing out on the riches of European football isn't Tavares fault in anyway nor should he be made a scapegoat for anything. Jamie Vardy was 23 year old before he started to blossom as a player at Halifax town just a wee example of players needing time to develop btw. Also some footage of the waste of money as you call him ! .
https://youtu.be/l76hAsOiktY

[HerbDailly]

It was Robert Pires who was absolute garbage for the first 6 months or so he was at Arsenal. Signed in 2000, fans wanted rid of him. He helped them win the league the next year and won player of the year awards.

So your point is very valid about taking time for players to settle.He was signed to replace Overmars, who was an absolute flying machine, but he was pretty slow. I thought the jarring difference in style made it tougher for him to win their fans over.

[hibsbollah]

He was signed to replace Overmars, who was an absolute flying machine, but he was pretty slow. I thought the jarring difference in style made it tougher for him to win their fans over.

Pires had just left Marseille, where he’d gone on strike, had physical altercations with some of their ultras and had his apartment broken into multiple times so he was dealing with a few things at the time :greengrin

He went on to become an Arsenal great so it worked out for all parties in the end.

[jeffers]

It is mid December and he's has had a slow start but maybe you and others should look at it from a different angle being it can't be easy for him to make such a move at such a young age . (And it shows great courage on his part btw) The lifestyle changes for him must be massive as well as missing his family and home must be very hard on the guy .I always felt he was going to need time specially with trying to adapt to our league which I'd say is much quicker and definitely more physical . He's only 21year old lad who's not even a year at us yet and needs a lot more time to adjust and adapt , calling him a waste of money is harsh and unfair at this stage in his development imo . The one isolated incident , by one individual as you say was about as bad as you can get and must have hurt him greatly ( it would me) probably have a effect on his football too . If he's getting criticised on here it's more than likely he's getting it at games too . I've seen fans before booing and hurling abuse at players before at ER for nothing else than there own gratification. Sad really . Of course people know board members, players, Agents and so on and people do talk , problem with people talking though the story grows arms and legs the more it's talked about at times .Missing out on the riches of European football isn't Tavares fault in anyway nor should he be made a scapegoat for anything. Jamie Vardy was 23 year old before he started to blossom as a player at Halifax town just a wee example of players needing time to develop btw. Also some footage of the waste of money as you call him ! .
https://youtu.be/l76hAsOiktY


I am not disputing he is going through lifestyle changes. Yes it’s maybe harsh and we are talking about Tavares specifically, but it’s a general point that we’ve signed too many players “with promise” who aren’t delivering, all the while we are demonstrating relegation form. Tavares is one of them. I repeat I’m saying so far he has been a waste of money. Can you really dispute that ?

You are speculating that he’s getting criticised during games. Personally I’ve not heard any of that.

I know where I heard the figure he’s getting. I can’t speak for Brooster, but I will say he is usually spot on with any info he shares.

I watched his videos at the time of his signing. Unfortunately I’ve watched enough of highlight reels of players who have delivered nothing close when playing for us. I take them all now with a pinch of salt.

[bigwheel]

I think the simple fact is , with a five or so year deal, the manager and the club expected Tavares to be an important player and as yet he isn’t . I’m guessing now that they know him, they see him as work in progress …it happens - but they’ll be a bit underwhelmed so far ..as are we.

[Trinity Hibee]

How long does he need to settle in? There's young players all over the world who settle in and hit the ground running. He's been here 6 months and is still crap. He's on a 5 year deal at more than £3k a week. Our recruitment department need to have a serious word with themselves because he's not the only summer signing who is horrendous.

Holy Christ I hope that weekly figure is a mistake. If not, then we may as well pack it in. 3k a week for a freestyle footballer

[chippy]

I think the simple fact is , with a five or so year deal, the manager and the club expected Tavares to be an important player and as yet he isn’t . I’m guessing now that they know him, they see him as work in progress …it happens - but they’ll be a bit underwhelmed so far ..as are we.

If they thought that they need binned as well as Tavares

[Since452]

Tavares i think will get other opportunities. I'd be amazed if Bojang kicks a ball for us again.

[BSEJVT]

I don't think in the majority of cases with our signings (not just Tavares) it is the player themselves folk have issues with although Bojang was called out very early by some.

I think folk would have more patience if it was a one-off player bought under these circumstances and would probably cut them more slack.

Similarly, if we were on a decent run of results with a settled team, Tavares lack of impact would probably be ignored.

It is the fact that it is a never-ending series of similar signings on the back of a shocking 2 years with none of these signings contributing a thing.

They are effectively all tarred with the same brush and written off very early.

TBH Hibs must be a bloody awful place to be for players at the moment as we all have next to zero patience and they are castigated for every mistake.

I am as guilty as anyone, and for some reason we all seem to have our individual players who receive a disproportionate amount of criticism, mine being by Cabraja.

It is not a healthy situation for anyone, supporter, player or team and we are individually and collectively going to need to try and rise above it and get backing the players and the team.

[Donegal Hibby]

I am not disputing he is going through lifestyle changes. Yes it’s maybe harsh and we are talking about Tavares specifically, but it’s a general point that we’ve signed too many players “with promise” who aren’t delivering, all the while we are demonstrating relegation form. Tavares is one of them. I repeat I’m saying so far he has been a waste of money. Can you really dispute that ?

You are speculating that he’s getting criticised during games. Personally I’ve not heard any of that.

I know where I heard the figure he’s getting. I can’t speak for Brooster, but I will say he is usually spot on with any info he shares.

I watched his videos at the time of his signing. Unfortunately I’ve watched enough of highlight reels of players who have delivered nothing close when playing for us. I take them all now with a pinch of salt.
You say your not disputing he's going thru lifestyle changes? But in reality you are when you're calling him a waste of money and theres no maybe about it being harsh ? , it's totally harsh and unfair after 6 months at us in a new country. The general point of us signing to many players with "promise" isn't Tavares fault either is whatever wages he's getting payed !. I'm not disputing he's having a slow start to his Hibs career though I've seen some good and positive play from him lately but I'm definitely not going to call a 20 year old Portuguese lad 6 months at my club still adapting to life and a different style of football a " waste of money , crap , absolutely honking , utter dross , dreadful, not good and if I was at a game he was playing in I'd cheer him on , not call him a black ******* which as happened and shows he's had abuse!.This thread has become a total witch-hunt against a young player only 6 months at us ! Mental stuff

[bigwheel]

If they thought that they need binned as well as Tavares

Think it was LJ that targeted Tavares…don’t know for sure..but that seemed to be the vibe in the press when he signed …they only give a five year , good salary deals to those they see as key players


But you’re not going to get everyone right

[B.H.F.C]

I don't think in the majority of cases with our signings (not just Tavares) it is the player themselves folk have issues with although Bojang was called out very early by some.

I think folk would have more patience if it was a one-off player bought under these circumstances and would probably cut them more slack.

Similarly, if we were on a decent run of results with a settled team, Tavares lack of impact would probably be ignored.

It is the fact that it is a never-ending series of similar signings on the back of a shocking 2 years with none of these signings contributing a thing.

They are effectively all tarred with the same brush and written off very early.

TBH Hibs must be a bloody awful place to be for players at the moment as we all have next to zero patience and they are castigated for every mistake.

I am as guilty as anyone, and for some reason we all seem to have our individual players who receive a disproportionate amount of criticism, mine being by Cabraja.

It is not a healthy situation for anyone, supporter, player or team and we are individually and collectively going to need to try and rise above it and get backing the players and the team.

The frustration is 100% being aimed more at the club than the individual players.

Last summer we were in a position of relative strength and the three subsequent windows have been absolutely shocking.

I was never a big fan of Ross but it was quite clear he didn’t get properly backed last summer. The players we then signed in January, coupled with the sale of Boyle, were never going to give Maloney a fair crack at things. By the time this summer came round I think a lot of people knew exactly how things were going to play out. It was so predictable but the club stumbled on doing the same thing regardless. All at a time when we’re actually spending a fair amount of money by our standards.

[jeffers]

You say your not disputing he's going thru lifestyle changes? But in reality you are when you're calling him a waste of money and theres no maybe about it being harsh ? , it's totally harsh and unfair after 6 months at us in a new country. The general point of us signing to many players with "promise" isn't Tavares fault either is whatever wages he's getting payed !. I'm not disputing he's having a slow start to his Hibs career though I've seen some good and positive play from him lately but I'm definitely not going to call a 20 year old Portuguese lad 6 months at my club still adapting to life and a different style of football a " waste of money , crap , absolutely honking , utter dross , dreadful, not good and if I was at a game he was playing in I'd cheer him on , not call him a black ******* which as happened and shows he's had abuse!.This thread has become a total witch-hunt against a young player only 6 months at us ! Mental stuff

We’ll end up just re-hashing posts we’ve already made + the points I’m making have been echoed by a number of other posters. You believe you’ve seen some good and positive play recently fair enough. I thought he looked slightly better against lower league opposition, but I’d expect that to be a given. I haven’t seen enough to suggest he’s ready to make a meaningful contribution to a struggling first team.

I think witch hunt is a bit strong. His contribution has been questioned given the length of deal and wages quoted. You are right it isn’t his fault, but it doesn’t change the facts.

[SMAXXA]

Smally you're a football coach, do you think Taveres is going to turn in to a player?

I genuinely think the laddie has something wether that’s going to be fulfilled you will know as much as me mate I just wouldn’t write him off this early.

[bigwheel]

I genuinely think the laddie has something wether that’s going to be fulfilled you will know as much as me mate I just wouldn’t write him off this early.

Think this is fair . He’s definitely got some tools in his locker . No one has seen enough of him to say he’s not good enough . What is clear is that currently , the management , don’t see him as a first team starter . If that’s the case he needs a loan to give him the ability to develop . And also , it’s disappointing as he was certainly one of our key note signings .

[Scotty Leither]

The owner thought the laddie was a “great signing”. The owner and his laddie’s knowledge of Scottish football is limited to say the least.

[MrRobot]

The owner thought the laddie was a “great signing”. The owner and his laddie’s knowledge of Scottish football is limited to say the least.

He might turn out to be a great signing, he needs games.

[Steven79]

The owner thought the laddie was a “great signing”. The owner and his laddie’s knowledge of Scottish football is limited to say the least.Not just Scottish football but football in general.

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[Stuart93]

I reckon tavares has something about him as well

Bojang on the other hand is so far off the quality of this league I genuinely think he’d fit in at junior level. Either the sun or daily record saying he’s returning to his parent club in January

[B.H.F.C]

I reckon tavares has something about him as well

Bojang on the other hand is so far off the quality of this league I genuinely think he’d fit in at junior level. Either the sun or daily record saying he’s returning to his parent club in January

Record saying in the same article that we’re not looking to move Cabraja on. Was surprised by the previous report that suggested we were.

[SMAXXA]

Think this is fair . He’s definitely got some tools in his locker . No one has seen enough of him to say he’s not good enough . What is clear is that currently , the management , don’t see him as a first team starter . If that’s the case he needs a loan to give him the ability to develop . And also , it’s disappointing as he was certainly one of our key note signings .

A loan may not be a bad idea and I tell you who else I think would benefit a loan to the championship would be melkerson.

[Donegal Hibby]

We’ll end up just re-hashing posts we’ve already made + the points I’m making have been echoed by a number of other posters. You believe you’ve seen some good and positive play recently fair enough. I thought he looked slightly better against lower league opposition, but I’d expect that to be a given. I haven’t seen enough to suggest he’s ready to make a meaningful contribution to a struggling first team.

I think witch hunt is a bit strong. His contribution has been questioned given the length of deal and wages quoted. You are right it isn’t his fault, but it doesn’t change the facts.
He's has imo showed signs lately to me of being lively , direct and has beaten his man a few times , I think the Scottish game he's struggled with a bit ,the pace , the physical side and I think he also would have gotten more time and room on the ball in Portugal though I do think he has plenty of potential and could be a really good player once he gets use to our game. I know fans are angry , disappointed the way the teams going ( I am too) and can understand there frustration but let's not single out a young foreign lad 6 months at us by calling him utter dross , crap , dreadful, absolutely honking etc etc , these are all negative words aimed at him which is why I used the term witch-hunt. He's had enough to deal with being racially abused. The facts are he hasn't had the best of starts I know this but calling him negative words and names on here will eventually filter into ER and we will have a new scapegoat to boo which is my fear and that's in no one's interests .I mentioned Jamie Vardy only got going at 23 , Dado Prso was 22 and didn't make his top flight debut till nearly 25 . Abit of patience and support needed!

[BoomtownHibees]

He's has imo showed signs lately to me of being lively , direct and has beaten his man a few times

When you say he has shown this lately, what games do you mean?

[Stuart93]

When you say he has shown this lately, what games do you mean?

I watched him in that friendly against Raith and thought his performance was one of the few positives from the game

Really want to him to get more game time, he’s certainly not any worse than youan

[The Modfather]

I watched him in that friendly against Raith and thought his performance was one of the few positives from the game

Really want to him to get more game time, he’s certainly not any worse than youan

I didn’t see the Raith game, in fact I’m not sure I’ve seen him in any game he has featured. I do wonder though if we’re into Drey Wright territory where expectations are so low the that simply doing the basics is taken as a positive. Maybe that’s unfair on Tavares though and he has shown glimpses of looking lively and like he might have something to offer in the near future.

[Donegal Hibby]

When you say he has shown this lately, what games do you mean?
Couple of sub appearance's and the two friendly games

[jeffers]

I didn’t see the Raith game, in fact I’m not sure I’ve seen him in any game he has featured. I do wonder though if we’re into Drey Wright territory where expectations are so low the that simply doing the basics is taken as a positive. Maybe that’s unfair on Tavares though and he has shown glimpses of looking lively and like he might have something to offer in the near future.

Not sure if it’s low expectations but I think he’s looked so far off the level we need in other games that a slight improvement is being taken to mean more than the actual reality of his performances.

[B.H.F.C]

I didn’t see the Raith game, in fact I’m not sure I’ve seen him in any game he has featured. I do wonder though if we’re into Drey Wright territory where expectations are so low the that simply doing the basics is taken as a positive. Maybe that’s unfair on Tavares though and he has shown glimpses of looking lively and like he might have something to offer in the near future.

He was quite lively when he came on against Middlesbrough but missed an easy chance. I think you’re possibly right in that the fact he’s running about a bit and showing for the ball is being taken as a positive, as opposed to him actually showing any signs of quality. Must be a fair chance of him being loaned in January as difficult to see him suddenly getting in to the team and giving us something we’ve been missing.

[J-C]

Where did this £3k a week for Tavares come from? He's not on that surely.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Where did this £3k a week for Tavares come from? He's not on that surely.

Wouldn’t be surprised at all.

That’s the risk with signing foreign guys. You need to make it worth their while to move to a new country, new language, different culture, terrible weather compared to living in Lisbon etc so often you end up paying more than they probably deserve to make it attractive to them.

[snedzuk]

Jair has certainly picked up some lingo since he arrived. When he came on against Ross County second half he made several runs into space down their right and our own wing backs turned and played the ball square / back and not into space, causing him to turn in frustration several times before letting some choice language go. Maybe if we got the ball to him more we could see what he can do with it.

[Mango Man]

He's has imo showed signs lately to me of being lively , direct and has beaten his man a few times , I think the Scottish game he's struggled with a bit ,the pace , the physical side and I think he also would have gotten more time and room on the ball in Portugal though I do think he has plenty of potential and could be a really good player once he gets use to our game. I know fans are angry , disappointed the way the teams going ( I am too) and can understand there frustration but let's not single out a young foreign lad 6 months at us by calling him utter dross , crap , dreadful, absolutely honking etc etc , these are all negative words aimed at him which is why I used the term witch-hunt. He's had enough to deal with being racially abused. The facts are he hasn't had the best of starts I know this but calling him negative words and names on here will eventually filter into ER and we will have a new scapegoat to boo which is my fear and that's in no one's interests .I mentioned Jamie Vardy only got going at 23 , Dado Prso was 22 and didn't make his top flight debut till nearly 25 . Abit of patience and support needed!

How long should one wait until they decide if a player is good enough?

[JimBHibees]

How long should one wait until they decide if a player is good enough?

Probably when we have seen enough of him to make that judgement. On another point why was he not on the bench at Ibrox

[Brooster]

Where did this £3k a week for Tavares come from? He's not on that surely.

Correct....he's on more.

[basehibby]

I'm happy to be patient but they need to show something but maybe inconsistent. I'll stick up for Bojang a bit, yes he's shown some poor play but in the the few mins he's been on the pitch in every game he's got into a position to have a shot at goal which is more than can be said for the vast majority of the others.
Funny you say that because Bojang would be 1st out the door for me. He's on loan, we have plenty forwards and every time I've seen him he's barely seemed capable of one good touch. I could say for him he's fast and unpredictable - noone - not even he - has any clue as to what random angle the ball will bounce off him. Reports I've heard from development matches tell a similar tale, so get rid by all means.
Likes of Tavares and Youan I can see talent there but neither has had much positive influence on the 1st team so far and I can understand the frustration. Patience required - particularly with Tavares I think.

[Donegal Hibby]

How long should one wait until they decide if a player is good enough?
Definitely longer than 6 months before decided somebody's no good like in Tavares case would be my answer , every players situation will be different , some will settle in and adapt quicker than others , likes of Mckirdy he's older than Tavares used to a similar style of football , weather , food and is nearer home and I'd expect him to settle in quicker than Tavares who has more to get use too and learn!.

[Unseen work]

I’m fine with whatever the club are paying Tavares. They clearly think he’s good and will need time to adjust and develop.

If we found him such a coup then quite right paying him that

He signed from the same team as Duk at Aberdeen who looks brilliant. If it was a case of us and Aberdeen both after Duk but we weren’t willing to pay 3k folk would moan.

Duk is an absolute unit so the style doesn’t really effect his game, let’s see how Tavares gets on when he adjusts.

From what I’ve seen recently I really don’t think it will be long.

[SMAXXA]

I’m fine with whatever the club are paying Tavares. They clearly think he’s good and will need time to adjust and develop.

If we found him such a coup then quite right paying him that

He signed from the same team as Duk at Aberdeen who looks brilliant. If it was a case of us and Aberdeen both after Duk but we weren’t willing to pay 3k folk would moan.

Duk is an absolute unit so the style doesn’t really effect his game, let’s see how Tavares gets on when he adjusts.

From what I’ve seen recently I really don’t think it will be long.

I actually don’t think the lad Duk is that great from what I’ve seen (also a cheat), but I do agree he’s hit the ground better than Travares. Guess as is with a lot of these signings it’s an unknown first time they leave their country etc some will work some won’t and some will just take longer to find out

[PHeffernan]

I’m fine with whatever the club are paying Tavares. They clearly think he’s good and will need time to adjust and develop.

If we found him such a coup then quite right paying him that

He signed from the same team as Duk at Aberdeen who looks brilliant. If it was a case of us and Aberdeen both after Duk but we weren’t willing to pay 3k folk would moan.

Duk is an absolute unit so the style doesn’t really effect his game, let’s see how Tavares gets on when he adjusts.

From what I’ve seen recently I really don’t think it will be long.

Aberdeen paid £400k for Duk.
Hibs paid £0 for Tavares but will pay over a big percentage of any sell on fee.
Obviously if he fails that will equate to £0.

[Unseen work]

Aberdeen paid £400k for Duk.
Hibs paid £0 for Tavares but will pay over a big percentage of any sell on fee.
Obviously if he fails that will equate to £0.

That in itself sounds like good business.

Little risk with no fee which allows a slightly higher wage to get him in the door with potential resale value.

[Unseen work]

I actually don’t think the lad Duk is that great from what I’ve seen (also a cheat), but I do agree he’s hit the ground better than Travares. Guess as is with a lot of these signings it’s an unknown first time they leave their country etc some will work some won’t and some will just take longer to find out

Really? He’s been a standout for them most games I’ve seen

Maybe just caught him at his best!

[Paulie Walnuts]

Really? He’s been a standout for them most games I’ve seen

Maybe just caught him at his best!

He’s been a very good signing from what I’ve seen. Scored plenty goals as well.

[BonnieFitbaTeam]

Really? He’s been a standout for them most games I’ve seen

Maybe just caught him at his best!


Standing is the one thing he's particularly poor at from what I've seen!!

I'm going to the game tonight so I'll see for myself.

[PHeffernan]

That in itself sounds like good business.

Little risk with no fee which allows a slightly higher wage to get him in the door with potential resale value.

Aberdeen are reckoned to have spent £2 million on players in the summer.

I didn't rate Tavares in the various show reels I saw of him playing in front of one man and a dog in the second tier league in Portugal which seems very poorly supported and coming from that to Hibs is a massive change in every way.
Hibs spin on the transfer was massive at the time and put undue fan expectation on a player with no real senior experience which was an idiotic thing to do.
I get it was about creating a buzz for season ticket sales.

Will he make it at Hibs? I doubt it.
However, he has been at Hibs for less than six months and folk need to lay of him.
If he fails to make it, it's on the recruitment team.

McKirdy on the other hand is 25 and came in for £350k so pressure on him and the club makes sense.
Melkersen is only 19 so again similar to Tavares but weighed down by a transfer fee similar to McKirdy but again that is down to the club and the player needs to be allowed to develop.

As for Bojang, the club brought him in for a look, no big deal.
Some supporters making a big thing about it.
Strangely no posters speaking about the massive amount of cash we will burn through for no return over the length of the Boyle injury. That is the big gamble that hasn't come off.
I understand it through unforseen circumstances but if he is on £8k a week and is missing for 10 months that is serious money pain for a club of our size.

[Hibiza]

Is there never any accountability for the people who perpetually sign all sorts of duds. Seems we're just sweeping it under the carpet .

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

I actually don’t think the lad Duk is that great from what I’ve seen (also a cheat), but I do agree he’s hit the ground better than Travares. Guess as is with a lot of these signings it’s an unknown first time they leave their country etc some will work some won’t and some will just take longer to find out

Duk seems to hit the ground quite often.

[Smartie]

Duk's done fine but he's not exactly been flying.

[Willis1875]

Duk's done fine but he's not exactly been flying.

That assessment of him is quackers

[basehibby]

That assessment of him is quackers
Oh FFS - not this fowl nonsense again!

[Northernhibee]

Is there never any accountability for the people who perpetually sign all sorts of duds. Seems we're just sweeping it under the carpet .
This. Contrary to belief I have nothing personal against the players we’ve signed, most of them display a good attitude and work ethic.
It really annoys me that we’ve signed players for good money that are either high risk and not necessarily a similar level of reward, or simply will never be good enough or suited to the league.

Its not fair on the players to drag them to the club when they’ll likely end up warming the bench before being released or loaned out to the lower leagues, it will give the club as a reputation of a bad career move, and uses money that could be much better spent to improve the first team at this moment in time.

Im really scunnered with Hibs at this moment in time. Why is our strategy so apparently scattergun under RG, BK, and IG? Why do we have simultaneously a bloated squad and a drastic lack of talent?

[Eyrie]

Duk's done fine but he's not exactly been flying.

Eider way, he's a diver.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

I remember a certain player called Emmanuel Petit who was ridiculed by all in sundry in his first season in England

He was 27 and coming from France but yet it took him a full season to look anything but poor

I believe Wenger said it take a season for foreign players to fully settle

I'm certainly no writing anyone off after so little football

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you can add to that “the non-flying Dutchman” Bergkamp. Struggled in his first season and went on to become one of the most celebrated Gunners of all time…

why can’t we just assume all players are confidence players and stop thinking they giving them pellets will help? Many folks saw the wisdom of dishing it out to the players during the Butcher era.

Wotherspoon is a good example of a young player who came in during a tough time for the club as a youngster with the carouse of managers we had - others fell by the wayside. He was a confidence player. Some laterly would not get off his case. He then wins how many medals? Including the Scottish cup before and Hibs. It is indeed a funny old game.

[Scotty Leither]

This. Contrary to belief I have nothing personal against the players we’ve signed, most of them display a good attitude and work ethic.
It really annoys me that we’ve signed players for good money that are either high risk and not necessarily a similar level of reward, or simply will never be good enough or suited to the league.

Its not fair on the players to drag them to the club when they’ll likely end up warming the bench before being released or loaned out to the lower leagues, it will give the club as a reputation of a bad career move, and uses money that could be much better spent to improve the first team at this moment in time.

Im really scunnered with Hibs at this moment in time. Why is our strategy so apparently scattergun under RG, BK, and IG? Why do we have simultaneously a bloated squad and a drastic lack of talent?

Brilliant post pal.
If the club do read this forum, I sure as hell hope they read this one.

[eastmainsmsh]

Wonder if the two were scouted in the portugese u23 league or recommendations from agent

Wish Bojang well and hope Jair can find his form

[Trinity Hibee]

This. Contrary to belief I have nothing personal against the players we’ve signed, most of them display a good attitude and work ethic.
It really annoys me that we’ve signed players for good money that are either high risk and not necessarily a similar level of reward, or simply will never be good enough or suited to the league.

Its not fair on the players to drag them to the club when they’ll likely end up warming the bench before being released or loaned out to the lower leagues, it will give the club as a reputation of a bad career move, and uses money that could be much better spent to improve the first team at this moment in time.

Im really scunnered with Hibs at this moment in time. Why is our strategy so apparently scattergun under RG, BK, and IG? Why do we have simultaneously a bloated squad and a drastic lack of talent?

👏

[Unseen work]

Wonder if the two were scouted in the portugese u23 league or recommendations from agent

Wish Bojang well and hope Jair can find his form

Johnson said a couple of times Jair is someone he’s known of for a long time and liked, said he was surprised we managed to get him.

Clearly holds him (or held him) in very high regard.

[GreenGray]

Johnson said a couple of times Jair is someone he’s known of for a long time and liked, said he was surprised we managed to get him.

Clearly holds him (or held him) in very high regard.

Is there any chance that could be utter bollocks? The boy was in Benfica’s B team and is 21 years old.

I sometimes feel managers just say stuff when new signings are made


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[Northernhibee]

Is there any chance that could be utter bollocks? The boy was in Benfica’s B team and is 21 years old.

I sometimes feel managers just say stuff when new signings are made


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He strikes me as a man who is doing a very bad job at biting his tongue just now. A few times in interviews he’s come across like he wants to say a lot more and isn’t doing well at hiding that.

The list of things that he thinks are wrong at the club is a big alarm for me. I don’t think LJ is a particularly guarded man but the summer window was far too similar in feeling to the winter one under Maloney. Twice we needed a rabbit out of the hat and we ended up with the same midfield, but also Sylvester Jasper and Will Fish.

Mathie’s final window was really poor due to lack of numbers, but **** really hit the fan after he left IMO. I don’t buy that we brought in Bojang to evaluate him one bit, that’s what a recruitment department is for, to judge if a player is a good investment and will make it at the new club.

Football is a game where many different attributes are required and stats will only tell part of the story. Ewan Henderson wasn’t good enough for Ross County, Elias Melkersen hadn’t even played on grass before Hibs, Will Fish could barely get a game in non league football, and Bojang, well, hands up anyone who was surprised because in hindsight I’ve got a bridge I’d like to sell you.

Stats may have said that the above are brilliant signings. Those four facts above should have been immediate red flags and alarm bells in regards to spending any serious time or money on those players (and let’s face it, we also have plenty others we can retrospectively examine as well).

If we could have got Melkersen and Tavares on loan without an obligation to buy, then that might have made sense. Henderson would maybe be one to let drop down to the championship but monitor for development. Bojang should never have gotten past a YouTube highlights video.

Chris Mueller reportedly getting a bumper wage packet - he was awful even if he was to be put on a grand a week.

It all also makes the sheer amount of money and wages written off for Boyle look increasingly desperate. Don’t get me wrong, I’m delighted he’s back as a fan but the club are there to make difficult and sometimes unpopular decisions.

[Donegal Hibby]

Johnson said a couple of times Jair is someone he’s known of for a long time and liked, said he was surprised we managed to get him.

Clearly holds him (or held him) in very high regard.
I think some players are slower progressing than others and I definitely see a player there , he's just turned 21 and only been at us 6 months , we can definitely wait a year or so to see how he develops , when I think back I'm sure when we signed Ivan Sproule he was 23 or 24 . Good job we didn't have him when he was younger as some on here might not have thought he was going to make it 😂

[DinkyTwo]

I feel like Tavares and Bojang are being made as scapegoats unnecessarily. Glad to see some defending them as I'd love to see minutes played vs the goalscoring opportunities they've managed to get themselves into whilst on the field.

Why not divert some frustration towards the players who put in 90 minites for us most weeks and create very little? Or do we already do that, but still feel the need to single the fringe squad out for criticism too...

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[Unseen work]

I feel like Tavares and Bojang are being made as scapegoats unnecessarily. Glad to see some defending them as I'd love to see minutes played vs the goalscoring opportunities they've managed to get themselves into whilst on the field.

Why not divert some frustration towards the players who put in 90 minites for us most weeks and create very little? Or do we already do that, but still feel the need to single the fringe squad out for criticism too...

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If Bojang took his chances he’d just about have a goal per minute 🤣

Genuinely impressive the amount of really good chances he’s managed to get in extremely limited minutes. The finishing isn’t as impressive unfortunately.

But with sharpness and constant games I dare say he would start taking some of them.

Not to say overall he is good enough but I can see him scoring regular at a lower level.

[bingo70]

I feel like Tavares and Bojang are being made as scapegoats unnecessarily. Glad to see some defending them as I'd love to see minutes played vs the goalscoring opportunities they've managed to get themselves into whilst on the field.

Why not divert some frustration towards the players who put in 90 minites for us most weeks and create very little? Or do we already do that, but still feel the need to single the fringe squad out for criticism too...

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That’s what I’ve always felt about Bojang.

Every striker tells you the hardest thing is getting the chances, he somehow seems to get a good chance about every 5 minutes he’s on the park. The fact he never scored one early lead to him snatching at chances and that’ll happen to better and more experienced strikers than him. The fact he keeps getting these chances though suggests to me it could just click somewhere for him.

It won’t be at Hibs though so we’re right to cut short his loan spell. If we owned him, I’d be all for sending him on loan elsewhere at a lower level to see if he could relax a bit and see if that made a difference but it’s just no going to happen here for him.

Tavares plays in a position where confidence is so important. It’s no happened for him yet but that could change quickly, it might just take a deflected strike that goes in or something to just go his way. I think he’s got the raw attributes, he just needs to find his mojo. It may never happen for him but I’m not writing him off yet.

[PHeffernan]

I think some players are slower progressing than others and I definitely see a player there , he's just turned 21 and only been at us 6 months , we can definitely wait a year or so to see how he develops , when I think back I'm sure when we signed Ivan Sproule he was 23 or 24 . Good job we didn't have him when he was younger as some on here might not have thought he was going to make it 😂

Tavares will be 22 on the 13th February.
22 tends to be make or break for players.
He needs to be making a real impression no later than the start of next season.

[Donegal Hibby]

Tavares will be 22 on the 13th February.
22 tends to be make or break for players.
He needs to be making a real impression no later than the start of next season.
This is true he will be 22 on the 13th of February though I for one am not actually going to put a deadline or countdown on his development at Hibs , he's still a young man that's probably needing a bit more time than most and imo still adapting to life and football in a new country .The racial abuse he got might possibly have set him back too ! You say that 22 tends to be a make or break for players this is also true but not in all cases ,Jamie Vardy 23 , Dado Prso 25.(before making his first top flight debut ) , I mentioned Ivan Sproule was signed for us at 24 or 25 .Should we have not signed him because he didn't make it at 22 then ? As Hibs fans if we are patient and give him our utmost support (which he's not getting imo) we are giving him the best chance to succeed at our football club which benefits all parties. As fans being impatient and hurling abuse at a young guy like this will probably only have a negative effect on the lads progress which doesn't help the player , the club or us fans ! Just my opinion for what it's worth.

[cameronw-hfc]

That’s what I’ve always felt about Bojang.

Every striker tells you the hardest thing is getting the chances, he somehow seems to get a good chance about every 5 minutes he’s on the park. The fact he never scored one early lead to him snatching at chances and that’ll happen to better and more experienced strikers than him. The fact he keeps getting these chances though suggests to me it could just click somewhere for him.

It won’t be at Hibs though so we’re right to cut short his loan spell. If we owned him, I’d be all for sending him on loan elsewhere at a lower level to see if he could relax a bit and see if that made a difference but it’s just no going to happen here for him.

Tavares plays in a position where confidence is so important. It’s no happened for him yet but that could change quickly, it might just take a deflected strike that goes in or something to just go his way. I think he’s got the raw attributes, he just needs to find his mojo. It may never happen for him but I’m not writing him off yet.


Heard rumours the players thought he was technically a shocking player, tin hat on here, but as you say, he seems to get in the right positions and some of the best poachers in the game are pretty poor footballers. Cruyff once said about Inzhagi "look, he can't play football at all, he just gets in the right positions to score goals".

[Paulie Walnuts]

He strikes me as a man who is doing a very bad job at biting his tongue just now. A few times in interviews he’s come across like he wants to say a lot more and isn’t doing well at hiding that.


I spoke to someone recently who was in his company for an hour or so and that’s exactly what they said he was like. He wasn’t shy about saying what he thought to the point they were very surprised how open he was being.

[Sir David Gray]

Apologies if mentioned elsewhere.

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/momodou-bojang-exit-imminent-as-hibs-boss-explains-why-loan-was-an-african-academy-experiment-3965655

[Stuart93]

Apologies if mentioned elsewhere.

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/momodou-bojang-exit-imminent-as-hibs-boss-explains-why-loan-was-an-african-academy-experiment-3965655

Another master stroke from the recruitment team.

Get them tae ****

[The Modfather]

To play devils advocate, how does Hibs’ decision to cancel Bojangs loan short compare to the arguments about being unable to judge/write off Tavares at this point?

[Stuart93]

To play devils advocate, how does Hibs’ decision to cancel Bojangs loan short compare to the arguments about being unable to judge/write off Tavares at this point?

Because tavares has shown a lot more than Bojan did. Bojan didn’t even look like he could dribble with the ball

[The Modfather]

Because tavares has shown a lot more than Bojan did. Bojan didn’t even look like he could dribble with the ball

I don’t have any real skin in this argument, and think my previous post might have been my first on this thread.

I just wondered how the arguments about a young man moving to a new country and culture, having barely been given a chance to show what he can do on the park compare with Bojang and Tavares. Football is cutthroat, Tavares has a small chance of making it yet, but if we can make a decision on Bojang now is it unreasonable to seriously question whether Tavares will ever come good.

[Allant1981]

Another master stroke from the recruitment team.

Get them tae ****

It's really not that big of a deal

[Glory Lurker]

It's really not that big of a deal

Of itself, you're absolutely correct. We've signed a fair few players on loan who didn't contribute. I sometimes see names in old team selections that I can't place at all.

[J-C]

To play devils advocate, how does Hibs’ decision to cancel Bojangs loan short compare to the arguments about being unable to judge/write off Tavares at this point?

Bojang was on loan to a Portuguese U21 team from some African team no one had heard of, Tavares came up through the Benfica ranks, so probably has a lot more about him. Also Bojang was a pure punt, as has been pointed out testing the African markets.

[Sir David Gray]

I don’t have any real skin in this argument, and think my previous post might have been my first on this thread.

I just wondered how the arguments about a young man moving to a new country and culture, having barely been given a chance to show what he can do on the park compare with Bojang and Tavares. Football is cutthroat, Tavares has a small chance of making it yet, but if we can make a decision on Bojang now is it unreasonable to seriously question whether Tavares will ever come good.

The biggest difference for me so far is that Tavares is on a long term deal and Bojang is on loan.

[SMAXXA]

Another master stroke from the recruitment team.

Get them tae ****

Or you could argue it’s a cheap punt they had a look wasn’t what we need and his loan is cancelled no a big deal really.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I don’t have any real skin in this argument, and think my previous post might have been my first on this thread.

I just wondered how the arguments about a young man moving to a new country and culture, having barely been given a chance to show what he can do on the park compare with Bojang and Tavares. Football is cutthroat, Tavares has a small chance of making it yet, but if we can make a decision on Bojang now is it unreasonable to seriously question whether Tavares will ever come good.

:agree:

[Scotty Leither]

Or you could argue it’s a cheap punt they had a look wasn’t what we need and his loan is cancelled no a big deal really.


Or you could argue it’s another signing who has made zero impact and we’re back to the same seven or eight players that got Ross and Maloney sacked?

Another cheap no-mark signing who’ll not even register as a footnote at Hibernian FC.

[Smartie]

Or you could argue it’s another signing who has made zero impact and we’re back to the same seven or eight players that got Ross and Maloney sacked?

Another cheap no-mark signing who’ll not even register as a footnote at Hibernian FC.

Yeah, but I think the "cheap punt on someone for a year to see if it works" is quite a lot less harmful if they don't work out than some of those signed into longer contracts.

There was always a far higher chance that this one would fail than succeed.

[Scotty Leither]

Yeah, but I think the "cheap punt on someone for a year to see if it works" is quite a lot less harmful if they don't work out than some of those signed into longer contracts.

There was always a far higher chance that this one would fail than succeed.

So why sign him then?

I bet nobody ever watched him in the flesh as you’d struggle to even find any information about the team he played for.

Recruitment team are taking the piss with signings like these, and there’ll be more to follow, because Gordon can’t see past his laddie, and we’re the ones that have got it all wrong.

[Hibees1973]

Or you could argue it’s a cheap punt they had a look wasn’t what we need and his loan is cancelled no a big deal really.

When I go along to watch Hibs, I expect to see players who have earned the right to play in our iconic green & white jersey.

It really annoys me when players who have obviously been a punt, get the chance to play for Hibs. From the performances of many of Ron's son's signings they have been poorly scouted but have been signed and have been picking up a wage at Hibs. Many of these players have only had a handful of games and likely to be moved on.

It's becoming clearer that wealthy Ron has bought Hibs as a toy and has given it to people like his son to play with. The complete lack of professionalism towards signing players is disgraceful.

To me it is a big deal players like Bojang have been at Hibs. Bojang kind of sums up all that is wrong at Hibs just now and it starts with Ron and his son.

[SMAXXA]

So why sign him then?

I bet nobody ever watched him in the flesh as you’d struggle to even find any information about the team he played for.

Recruitment team are taking the piss with signings like these, and there’ll be more to follow, because Gordon can’t see past his laddie, and we’re the ones that have got it all wrong.

Why does it bother you so much? It’s made zero difference not cost us much to get a closer look, wasn’t what we need and loan gets cancelled. Read the article to see more context of why they signed him genuinely don’t know why it’s that big a deal. Mind we signed an untried Sproule for a couple of grand low risk gamble that paid off, some do some don’t no damage done 🤷*♂️. Agathe another short term deal that didn’t work for other reasons so it’s not limited to this regime taking low risk punts on players.

As has been pointed out if he was given a 3 year deal that’s another story.

[SMAXXA]

When I go along to watch Hibs, I expect to see players who have earned the right to play in our iconic green & white jersey.

It really annoys me when players who have obviously been a punt, get the chance to play for Hibs. From the performances of many of Ron's son's signings they have been poorly scouted but have been signed and have been picking up a wage at Hibs. Many of these players have only had a handful of games and likely to be moved on.

It's becoming clearer that wealthy Ron has bought Hibs as a toy and has given it to people like his son to play with. The complete lack of professionalism towards signing players is disgraceful.

To me it is a big deal players like Bojang have been at Hibs. Bojang kind of sums up all that is wrong at Hibs just now and it starts with Ron and his son.

See my post above

[Scotty Leither]

Why does it bother you so much? It’s made zero difference not cost us much to get a closer look, wasn’t what we need and loan gets cancelled. Read the article to see more context of why they signed him genuinely don’t know why it’s that big a deal. Mind we signed an untried Sproule for a couple of grand low risk gamble that paid off, some do some don’t no damage done 🤷*♂️. Agathe another short term deal that didn’t work for other reasons so it’s not limited to this regime taking low risk punts on players.

As has been pointed out if he was given a 3 year deal that’s another story.

See the post above yours.

Players that are patently not up to playing for Hibernian football club shouldn’t get a chance/punt because a clueless owner and his overly indulged son think it’ll be a wheeze to try them out as one of their “projects”.

[bingo70]

See the post above yours.

Players that are patently not up to playing for Hibernian football club shouldn’t get a chance/punt because a clueless owner and his overly indulged son think it’ll be a wheeze to try them out as one of their “projects”.

Have you seen how many good players leave the African continent to eventually go onto play for top European clubs? If we wait until they’ve made a success in Europe they’re too expensive then. We are trying to find ways of tapping into a very good market.

It’s not worked out so it’s easy to say it was a ***** idea but the logic was there and makes complete sense.

I hope we don’t give up on the idea just because one never worked out well, if we ran with a policy like that then we’d never be able to sign anyone from anywhere.

[SMAXXA]

Have you seen how many good players leave the African continent to eventually go onto play for top European clubs? If we wait until they’ve made a success in Europe they’re too expensive then. We are trying to find ways of tapping into a very good market.

It’s not worked out so it’s easy to say it was a ***** idea but the logic was there and makes complete sense.

I hope we don’t give up on the idea just because one never worked out well, if we ran with a policy like that then we’d never be able to sign anyone from anywhere.

Totally agree well said 👍

[Scotty Leither]

Have you seen how many good players leave the African continent to eventually go onto play for top European clubs? If we wait until they’ve made a success in Europe they’re too expensive then. We are trying to find ways of tapping into a very good market.

It’s not worked out so it’s easy to say it was a ***** idea but the logic was there and makes complete sense.

I hope we don’t give up on the idea just because one never worked out well, if we ran with a policy like that then we’d never be able to sign anyone from anywhere.

That doesn’t explain signing a guy who wouldn’t cut it in junior football, and I wonder what our transfer “policy” actually is at times.

[matty_f]

Have you seen how many good players leave the African continent to eventually go onto play for top European clubs? If we wait until they’ve made a success in Europe they’re too expensive then. We are trying to find ways of tapping into a very good market.

It’s not worked out so it’s easy to say it was a ***** idea but the logic was there and makes complete sense.

I hope we don’t give up on the idea just because one never worked out well, if we ran with a policy like that then we’d never be able to sign anyone from anywhere.

Sounds like a sensible way to look at it.

[bingo70]

That doesn’t explain signing a guy who wouldn’t cut it in junior football, and I wonder what our transfer “policy” actually is at times.

We didn’t know he wouldn’t cut it though. We’d obviously had positive feedback about him and recommended we take a further look, we’ll have done whatever research we could and decided it was worthwhile getting him across so we could judge him over a longer period of time for ourselves.

Have a look at the Gambia side in the link below, some of the more expensive players who are now at clubs like AC Milan and Sampdria started their careers at obscure Gambian clubs. In order for them to make those steps up though they required clubs to take a bit of a punt to get them in to have a look as there’ll be very little effective scouting that can get done in a league like that.

This one hasn’t worked out but for me it is definitely a market that we can get some success out of, even if it is never likely to be a 100% success rate.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/gambia/startseite/verein/6186

[matty_f]

We didn’t know he wouldn’t cut it though. We’d obviously had positive feedback about him and recommended we take a further look, we’ll have done whatever research we could and decided it was worthwhile getting him across so we could judge him over a longer period of time for ourselves.

Have a look at the Gambia side in the link below, some of the more expensive players who are now at clubs like AC Milan and Sampdria started their careers at obscure Gambian clubs. In order for them to make those steps up though they required clubs to take a bit of a punt to get them in to have a look as there’ll be very little effective scouting that can get done in a league like that.

This one hasn’t worked out but for me it is definitely a market that we can get some success out of, even if it is never likely to be a 100% success rate.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/gambia/startseite/verein/6186

The club need to try something different to what we've been doing because we've underachieved for years, so what if something didn't work the first time it was tried? We need to find something that creates a gap in our favour over teams in our league that can outspend us.

This one didn't work out, doesn't mean the next one won't.

[Smartie]

So why sign him then?

I bet nobody ever watched him in the flesh as you’d struggle to even find any information about the team he played for.

Recruitment team are taking the piss with signings like these, and there’ll be more to follow, because Gordon can’t see past his laddie, and we’re the ones that have got it all wrong.

Every signing is a gamble, none come with a guarantee of success.

Some punts have turned out great for us in the past. Some of our best ever players have come from clubs who could be considered to be very lowly.

This transfer in isolation I wouldn't be critical of Hibs on. We tried to unearth a diamond and it didn't work out.

The fact that it exists amidst a series of other transfers that appear to be speculative punts is another story entirely.

[Scotty Leither]

We didn’t know he wouldn’t cut it though. We’d obviously had positive feedback about him and recommended we take a further look, we’ll have done whatever research we could and decided it was worthwhile getting him across so we could judge him over a longer period of time for ourselves.

Have a look at the Gambia side in the link below, some of the more expensive players who are now at clubs like AC Milan and Sampdria started their careers at obscure Gambian clubs. In order for them to make those steps up though they required clubs to take a bit of a punt to get them in to have a look as there’ll be very little effective scouting that can get done in a league like that.

This one hasn’t worked out but for me it is definitely a market that we can get some success out of, even if it is never likely to be a 100% success rate.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/gambia/startseite/verein/6186

That’s all very well, but if the first criteria set by the owner is they’ve got to cost next to nowt to bring in, which I suspect it is, then irrespective of the player’s nationality/playing heritage then there’ll be more misses than hits.

We’ve been here before with Duffy under the previous regime when we signed one sub-standard player after another who were here for the football equivalent of 5 minutes and look how that ended up.

Right now I’d settle for us staying up with this current squad, we’ll certainly not make a European spot, and how do you reckon our owner will spin that?

[Callum_62]

That’s all very well, but if the first criteria set by the owner is they’ve got to cost next to nowt to bring in, which I suspect it is, then irrespective of the player’s nationality/playing heritage then there’ll be more misses than hits.

We’ve been here before with Duffy under the previous regime when we signed one sub-standard player after another who were here for the football equivalent of 5 minutes and look how that ended up.

Right now I’d settle for us staying up with this current squad, we’ll certainly not make a European spot, and how do you reckon our owner will spin that?I don't think the football depg can be claimed to not spending money

I suspect you are well off the mark on the 'next to nowt' comment

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[bingo70]

The club need to try something different to what we've been doing because we've underachieved for years, so what if something didn't work the first time it was tried? We need to find something that creates a gap in our favour over teams in our league that can outspend us.

This one didn't work out, doesn't mean the next one won't.

Maybe also a good starting point for building a relationship with whoever recommended Bojang. He can be a sort of reference point going forward, it’s not in their interests to recommend more duds to us so next player they recommend they’ll know will need to be significantly better than Bojang.

FWIW I still think Bojang could well go on and score goals somewhere in Europe. What level remains to be seen but there’s a potential goal scorer there if he can just calm down a bit in front of goal. If he’d scored one of his early chances it could have worked out very different for him here IMO.

[SMAXXA]

That’s all very well, but if the first criteria set by the owner is they’ve got to cost next to nowt to bring in, which I suspect it is, then irrespective of the player’s nationality/playing heritage then there’ll be more misses than hits.

We’ve been here before with Duffy under the previous regime when we signed one sub-standard player after another who were here for the football equivalent of 5 minutes and look how that ended up.

Right now I’d settle for us staying up with this current squad, we’ll certainly not make a European spot, and how do you reckon our owner will spin that?

How can you say that when we have probably spent more money under RG on fees than we have for years? Feels like your jumping around trying to argue the point about the recruitment which granted hasn’t been good enough but to make the comments about the Bojang situation feels it’s an attempt to further back your point which as pointed out isn’t really a big deal and a market that’s worth testing the water in.

[hibsforeurope]

The club need to try something different to what we've been doing because we've underachieved for years, so what if something didn't work the first time it was tried? We need to find something that creates a gap in our favour over teams in our league that can outspend us.

This one didn't work out, doesn't mean the next one won't.

I don’t get why they felt the need to rip up the old system in place that had been the model for one of the clubs most successful periods. Certainly the most successful in my lifetime.
The squad needed a few tweaks here and there but minimal signings.
That would have been the time to bring in a few projects, once the main squad was sorted., it would have given them good players to learn from and time to adjust away from the pressure of having to hit the ground running (like sproule, Boyle, etc). Not as a solution to a failing squad, like we have currently.

[IberianHibernian]

That’s all very well, but if the first criteria set by the owner is they’ve got to cost next to nowt to bring in, which I suspect it is, then irrespective of the player’s nationality/playing heritage then there’ll be more misses than hits.

We’ve been here before with Duffy under the previous regime when we signed one sub-standard player after another who were here for the football equivalent of 5 minutes and look how that ended up.

Right now I’d settle for us staying up with this current squad, we’ll certainly not make a European spot, and how do you reckon our owner will spin that?You make 3 points :
1. "Suspect" - even the most critical of Ron Gordon`s running of our club have rarely questioned how much he has been prepared to spend on players . Of course there`ll be more hits than misses this year and every year . That`s why lower leagues are full of players who have played for Hibs etc .
2. Duffy ? 24 years ago . Things in professional sport have changed hugely in that time .
3. Non European spot but staying up means from 6th to 10th to avoid playoffs. Last season there was virtually no difference in quality between 4th and 10th ( Hearts in 3rd were consistent and there were 2 weak teams at the bottom ) , this season there doesn`t seem to be much difference between 3rd and 12th ( and even 2nd are not great ) . With even normal luck with injuries last season I think Maloney would have taken us to 4th and maybe cup final ( or better ) . So European spot is still very possible as is relegation .
More importantly , have you got a list of players you`d recommend signing now ? And people who club could employ to improve signings ? In both cases , I would not expect you to give names here but to hand on suggestions to club .

[Scotty Leither]

You make 3 points :
1. "Suspect" - even the most critical of Ron Gordon`s running of our club have rarely questioned how much he has been prepared to spend on players . Of course there`ll be more hits than misses this year and every year . That`s why lower leagues are full of players who have played for Hibs etc .
2. Duffy ? 24 years ago . Things in professional sport have changed hugely in that time .
3. Non European spot but staying up means from 6th to 10th to avoid playoffs. Last season there was virtually no difference in quality between 4th and 10th ( Hearts in 3rd were consistent and there were 2 weak teams at the bottom ) , this season there doesn`t seem to be much difference between 3rd and 12th ( and even 2nd are not great ) . With even normal luck with injuries last season I think Maloney would have taken us to 4th and maybe cup final ( or better ) . So European spot is still very possible as is relegation .
More importantly , have you got a list of players you`d recommend signing now ? And people who club could employ to improve signings ? In both cases , I would not expect you to give names here but to hand on suggestions to club .

It’s not my job to supply a list of players but there’s two players I’ve mentioned on here that are playing for our opponents tomorrow, Devlin and Noubile who would improve our team because they’re used to the physical rigours of this league, for a start.

So maybe we could employ whoever is scouting Livingston players and unemploying whoever is serving us up “punts” like the one we just released and others who are making zero impact?

[B.H.F.C]

You make 3 points :
1. "Suspect" - even the most critical of Ron Gordon`s running of our club have rarely questioned how much he has been prepared to spend on players . Of course there`ll be more hits than misses this year and every year . That`s why lower leagues are full of players who have played for Hibs etc .
2. Duffy ? 24 years ago . Things in professional sport have changed hugely in that time .
3. Non European spot but staying up means from 6th to 10th to avoid playoffs. Last season there was virtually no difference in quality between 4th and 10th ( Hearts in 3rd were consistent and there were 2 weak teams at the bottom ) , this season there doesn`t seem to be much difference between 3rd and 12th ( and even 2nd are not great ) . With even normal luck with injuries last season I think Maloney would have taken us to 4th and maybe cup final ( or better ) . So European spot is still very possible as is relegation .
More importantly , have you got a list of players you`d recommend signing now ? And people who club could employ to improve signings ? In both cases , I would not expect you to give names here but to hand on suggestions to club .

Scotty Leither isn’t being employed by the club to provide them names so that’s sheer stupidity IMO. There is no argument that the people who are being paid to supply names have been failing in that respect.

[B.H.F.C]

Why does it bother you so much? It’s made zero difference not cost us much to get a closer look, wasn’t what we need and loan gets cancelled. Read the article to see more context of why they signed him genuinely don’t know why it’s that big a deal. Mind we signed an untried Sproule for a couple of grand low risk gamble that paid off, some do some don’t no damage done 🤷*♂️. Agathe another short term deal that didn’t work for other reasons so it’s not limited to this regime taking low risk punts on players.

As has been pointed out if he was given a 3 year deal that’s another story.

Big difference with the players you mention is that they were punts in to good teams. One came in to a team with the likes of Sauzee and Latapy. One came in to a team with Brown, Riordan and so on.

There is always room for a punt. You can’t take punts when you’ve just finished 8th, have a new manager and a poor group of players. You need to sign proper players to improve. We haven’t, we’ve got worse.

[Smartie]

It's interesting that Duffy's name has been brought up because it does feel a bit like when he was at Hibs.

A smaller number of very good players left (D.Jackson, Leighton, Geebsie) and we seemed to sign a huge number of players who would have been lucky to get any game time a year or two prior to that.

We've now got the likes of Porto deciding they don't want to stay and have plenty players capable of playing for a reserve team but problems fielding an effective first XI.

[SMAXXA]

Big difference with the players you mention is that they were punts in to good teams. One came in to a team with the likes of Sauzee and Latapy. One came in to a team with Brown, Riordan and so on.

There is always room for a punt. You can’t take punts when you’ve just finished 8th, have a new manager and a poor group of players. You need to sign proper players to improve. We haven’t, we’ve got worse.

Course you can and many clubs do it, previous seasons placing has no baring on wether you take a look at a player more closely from other markets. I genuinely despair at times you go from folk moaning their ***** of for us signing players from our league (St Mirren), wanting us to show more imagination and look further afield then when we do the club gets slaughtered.

In the grand scheme of things it makes zero difference the lads been here for a few months cost will be negligible he wasn’t deemed good enough he moves on. Personally I hope we still keep looking at these markets and take more punts on these players some will work some won’t, nature of the beast.

[B.H.F.C]

Course you can and many clubs do it, previous seasons placing has no baring on wether you take a look at a player more closely from other markets. I genuinely despair at times you go from folk moaning their ***** of for us signing players from our league (St Mirren), wanting us to show more imagination and look further afield then when we do the club gets slaughtered.

In the grand scheme of things it makes zero difference the lads been here for a few months cost will be negligible he wasn’t deemed good enough he moves on. Personally I hope we still keep looking at these markets and take more punts on these players some will work some won’t, nature of the beast.

I hope we continue to look at all markets as well. But surely you can’t deny we signed too many unproven (punts) over the last three windows? In the grand scheme of things it’s one player. But so is the other, and the other and so on. It all adds up doesn’t it?

Of course last season has a baring in this. It’s why we needed to totally rebuild the squad.

[tonyrougier123]

A club the size of hibs should have a vast scouting network anyway.
The point is it’s set up wrong,folk on here can see domestic potential in players before the club at the moment.

The structure is abysmal and teams below our standard and our direct rivals often steal a March on us.

The frustration with bojang is did he really get a chance? Are we going to keep taking chances on players then never see them pull on a jersey long enough to get it muddy?

Shambolic state of affairs.

[Just Alf]

Big difference with the players you mention is that they were punts in to good teams. One came in to a team with the likes of Sauzee and Latapy. One came in to a team with Brown, Riordan and so on.

There is always room for a punt. You can’t take punts when you’ve just finished 8th, have a new manager and a poor group of players. You need to sign proper players to improve. We haven’t, we’ve got worse.Folks want us to sign livingstone level players instead..... while I think we should very thinking about signing a few 'solid' players to keep us on an even keel if at all possible, I still think there has to be room for the odd punt on a possible future star
If we don't then we have to resign ourselves to being a middle to low top league team on a regular basis.

Ps.. realised I've quoted you...my response isn't directed at you specifically!

[SMAXXA]

I hope we continue to look at all markets as well. But surely you can’t deny we signed too many unproven (punts) over the last three windows? In the grand scheme of things it’s one player. But so is the other, and the other and so on. It all adds up doesn’t it?

Of course last season has a baring in this. It’s why we needed to totally rebuild the squad.

Unfortunately for us the total rebuild isn’t possible to do in 1 window by the time we appointed the manager was impossible to achieve that. That’s not defending the season as we defo should be doing better and some signings the jury is out still but to see a completely different side and LJ own side I dare say will take probably to the end of the summer window.

I still don’t see how last season finishing 8th prevents us from taking a punt on someone, agree there needs to be a balance of experience and proven players again which will take time as we have plenty SPFL experience in the squad just some not good enough.

[matty_f]

Unfortunately for us the total rebuild isn’t possible to do in 1 window by the time we appointed the manager was impossible to achieve that. That’s not defending the season as we defo should be doing better and some signings the jury is out still but to see a completely different side and LJ own side I dare say will take probably to the end of the summer window.

I still don’t see how last season finishing 8th prevents us from taking a punt on someone, agree there needs to be a balance of experience and proven players again which will take time as we have plenty SPFL experience in the squad just some not good enough.

Like signing McGeady, Marshall and Boyle along with the others, that kind of balance.

[SMAXXA]

Like signing McGeady, Marshall and Boyle along with the others, that kind of balance.

Yes but I’d actually agree with some of the others we needed more than those 3 but illustrates my point it’s not easy in 1 window. Equally none were LJ signings he’s identified like most others he’s yet to bring in his own players imo or enough to truly say it’s his team.

[B.H.F.C]

Unfortunately for us the total rebuild isn’t possible to do in 1 window by the time we appointed the manager was impossible to achieve that. That’s not defending the season as we defo should be doing better and some signings the jury is out still but to see a completely different side and LJ own side I dare say will take probably to the end of the summer window.

I still don’t see how last season finishing 8th prevents us from taking a punt on someone, agree there needs to be a balance of experience and proven players again which will take time as we have plenty SPFL experience in the squad just some not good enough.

Totally agree that rebuilding the team was going to take more than one window. But signing 14 or 15 players, I think we were entitled to expect better than we’ve seen. Re the relevance of last season, we knew how much work was needed on the back of it and I think that needed factored in to the type of player being brought in. Apart from anything else, the ones who aren’t ready to impact the first team aren’t going to get a fair crack at things when they don’t have the right team around them.

[Brooster]

Or you could argue it’s a cheap punt they had a look wasn’t what we need and his loan is cancelled no a big deal really.

It's a big deal alright. He's absolutely garbage but for some reason he's ended up at Hibs. Someone in the recruitment department has been fooled in to signing him without even seeing him play. That's a big deal for me.

[tonyrougier123]

It's a big deal alright. He's absolutely garbage but for some reason he's ended up at Hibs. Someone in the recruitment department has been fooled in to signing him without even seeing him play. That's a big deal for me.

It certainly points to deeper issues with player recruitment.
I think maybe the Gordon’s have went into football with honest integrity,but there seems to be a network of clowns instead of scouts advising them.

It doesn’t help when your manager thinks Aiden McGeady at 36 is a good signing for hibs.

A DOF should be overseeing this shambles. And I’m not a fan of the laptop scouts we have either.

[B.H.F.C]

It doesn’t help when your manager thinks Aiden McGeady at 36 is a good signing for hibs.


Fitness permitting I still think he will be. Think he’ll get a decent run out today.

[SMAXXA]

It's a big deal alright. He's absolutely garbage but for some reason he's ended up at Hibs. Someone in the recruitment department has been fooled in to signing him without even seeing him play. That's a big deal for me.

Signing a lad and getting a closer look for a couple of months is a big deal, na no for me. We have bigger worries than that

[tonyrougier123]

Fitness permitting I still think he will be. Think he’ll get a decent run out today.

I hope your right starting today.

[SlickShoes]

A club the size of hibs should have a vast scouting network anyway.
The point is it’s set up wrong,folk on here can see domestic potential in players before the club at the moment.

The structure is abysmal and teams below our standard and our direct rivals often steal a March on us.

The frustration with bojang is did he really get a chance? Are we going to keep taking chances on players then never see them pull on a jersey long enough to get it muddy?

Shambolic state of affairs.

I think you over estimate the size of hibs, there’s no way we are maintaining a vast scouting network.

[jeffers]

Totally agree that rebuilding the team was going to take more than one window. But signing 14 or 15 players, I think we were entitled to expect better than we’ve seen. Re the relevance of last season, we knew how much work was needed on the back of it and I think that needed factored in to the type of player being brought in. Apart from anything else, the ones who aren’t ready to impact the first team aren’t going to get a fair crack at things when they don’t have the right team around them.

That’s the thing for me. All the give Johnson x number of windows for him to turn it round chat I don’t get. You can only play 11 players at any one time, but as you say we expect better than we’ve seen having signed 15 or so new players. Then when you take into consideration we already had some decent players in the squad, just how many players do we need to sign to discover a winning formula ? Hearts level churn where we are pishing money away on dross that we have to pay off after 12 months ?

Yes we signed three experienced players in Boyle, Marshall and McGeady but we had never planned on getting Boyle back. Had we not I fully believe we’d have used that money on some other inexperienced guys from overseas that would have taken months to settle, possibly never offering anything of note.

I imagine I’m like most on here. I think looking at other markets, taking a bit of risk on signings is a good approach, but it has to be in moderation. We are going all out and it’s clearly not working. I also wonder if too many signings are driven by the analysis and stats we get on players, that no one bar Johnson has any decent contacts recommending players to us.

[Gmack7]

Any chance of Tavares being in the squad tonight?

[Unseen work]

Any chance of Tavares being in the squad tonight?

Highly doubt it.

Not made the last 2 and then the injured guys like JDH, Miller and Kuharevych might be back (doubt it) and probably get ahead of him.

[Billy Whizz]

Highly doubt it.

Not made the last 2 and then the injured guys like JDH, Miller and Kuharevych might be back (doubt it) and probably get ahead of him.

Any update on Mykola

[SMAXXA]

Any chance of Tavares being in the squad tonight?

Think he will go on loan in January

[neil7908]

The Bojang signing doesn't worry me too much, that's on the basis that he'll be on pennies. It worries me more that he's so clearly miles away from our level and he still got minutes on the pitch. He should have been nowhere near our bench.

Taking punts is fine but when they don't work you need to have a strong enough squad so that they aren't relied upon.

Something has clearly gone wrong in his case given how often he featured in the first team squad.

[Tambo]

I didn't want to start a new thread about Jair.

What does this guy need to do to get a half decent chance? Whats the point in keeping hik on the bench which wont progress him as a player? What does he do in training?

I didn't see his 7 minutes cameo vs Kilmarnock due to being at work but did think he was good vs Raith in the friendly last year.

Did we try and offload him permanently in January?

Alot of questions with no answers.

[Nakedmanoncrack]

I didn't want to start a new thread about Jair.

What does this guy need to do to get a half decent chance? Whats the point in keeping hik on the bench which wont progress him as a player? What does he do in training?

I didn't see his 7 minutes cameo vs Kilmarnock due to being at work but did think he was good vs Raith in the friendly last year.

Did we try and offload him permanently in January?

Alot of questions with no answers.

Improve spectacularly, only on the bench last night to make up the numbers.

[easty]

I’ll be amazed if he’s here next season.

[Cod Boy]

He doesn’t even get a game fior the reserves

[Onceinawhile]

Improve spectacularly, only on the bench last night to make up the numbers.

Why persist with him on the bench though.

Put one of the young guys on.

[Hibee Mac]

Why is anyone still asking to see this guy get a chance? He doesn't deserve any more minutes on the park than he's already had, it's an unfortunate truth.

I get the whole idea of not jumping to conclusions and letting players get plenty of chances but by the same token I'd wager that most fans can sense a dud pretty quickly. He's a dud.

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[blackpoolhibs]

Tavarez in my opinion was another punt that has not worked, maybe he looked good in the standard he was playing at, but apart from being able to go past his man running back the wrong way, i dont think i've ever seen him beat a man and deliver a meaningful cross or a decent shot at goal.

[CMac1988]

Tavarez in my opinion was another punt that has not worked, maybe he looked good in the standard he was playing at, but apart from being able to go past his man running back the wrong way, i dont think i've ever seen him beat a man and deliver a meaningful cross or a decent shot at goal.

Yeah just can't see him being here come the summer transfer window. In fairness mind we've barely got a player in the squad that isn't injured who can beat a man.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Tavarez in my opinion was another punt that has not worked, maybe he looked good in the standard he was playing at, but apart from being able to go past his man running back the wrong way, i dont think i've ever seen him beat a man and deliver a meaningful cross or a decent shot at goal.

Perhaps he won’t play until folks pronounce his name properly :) i think (just a hunch) we have a better chance of seeing what h can do now the days are getting longer.

[HerbDailly]

An article blowing sunshine up the bum of Duk, who played alongside Tavares last season.

I just can't help being irritated by this - we scouted that team and signed Tavares, while Aberdeen got Duk [emoji35]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64718704

[Since452]

An article blowing sunshine up the bum of Duk, who played alongside Tavares last season.

I just can't help being irritated by this - we scouted that team and signed Tavares, while Aberdeen got Duk [emoji35]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64718704

Duk wouldn't get in our team either. Who would we drop?

[B.H.F.C]

Duk wouldn't get in our team either. Who would we drop?

Duk been pretty consistent all season for them. 13 goals and 6 assists is a good return. He’d have played most weeks had he been here and in the form he’s been in. It’s not as if everyone is available every week.

Think Aberdeen paid a few quid for him so no surprise he’s been significantly better than Tavares.

[PHeffernan]

Duk been pretty consistent all season for them. 13 goals and 6 assists is a good return. He’d have played most weeks had he been here and in the form he’s been in. It’s not as if everyone is available every week.

Think Aberdeen paid a few quid for him so no surprise he’s been significantly better than Tavares.

I believe Aberdeen paid £400k for him

[007]

Don't like him as he's a total diver. Though scored a cracking goal against Dundee United last week.

https://youtu.be/VlNM-K4As-k?t=79

[Unseen work]

The lack of chances for Tavares is a really weird one.

Yes he may not have adjusted as good/quick as we thought but surely the best way to do that is minutes on the pitch.

Earlier in the season we were struggling creating and still nothing. We persevered with Youan who was poor and now looks 10x the player for it.

At times Tavares has been a bit naive on the ball but he’s also shown little glimpses of his ability.

I really thought after the World Cup break he’d have gotten a chance, especially with impressing against Middlesbrough and Raith who he was brilliant against.

I just want to see him get a chance. McKirdy has had loads more minutes than him and hasn’t got a goal or assist, but even with him I think there’s an argument he needs a start/run of games too.

Wingers are inconsistent, but to bring them in from the cold when they’re low on confidence and expect them to instantly make a difference rarely happens.

[easty]

The lack of chances for Tavares is a really weird one.

Yes he may not have adjusted as good/quick as we thought but surely the best way to do that is minutes on the pitch.

Earlier in the season we were struggling creating and still nothing. We persevered with Youan who was poor and now looks 10x the player for it.

At times Tavares has been a bit naive on the ball but he’s also shown little glimpses of his ability.

I really thought after the World Cup break he’d have gotten a chance, especially with impressing against Middlesbrough and Raith who he was brilliant against.

I just want to see him get a chance. McKirdy has had loads more minutes than him and hasn’t got a goal or assist, but even with him I think there’s an argument he needs a start/run of games too.

Wingers are inconsistent, but to bring them in from the cold when they’re low on confidence and expect them to instantly make a difference rarely happens.

From the limited time of seeing both for Hibs, Mckirdy looks like a footballer, Taveres doesn’t.

[Tyler Durden]

From the limited time of seeing both for Hibs, Mckirdy looks like a footballer, Taveres doesn’t.

Really struggle to see how anyone can say that after Tavares limited time.

Really weird thing for me is that he always makes the bench. Suggests he must be a good pro (compared to a Bojang for example) but the coaching team clearly don’t want to use him either. All very strange.

[Billy Whizz]

Really struggle to see how anyone can say that after Tavares limited time.

Really weird thing for me is that he always makes the bench. Suggests he must be a good pro (compared to a Bojang for example) but the coaching team clearly don’t want to use him either. All very strange.

Unless he has a big % appearance payment in his contract

[Big_Franck]

An article blowing sunshine up the bum of Duk, who played alongside Tavares last season.

I just can't help being irritated by this - we scouted that team and signed Tavares, while Aberdeen got Duk [emoji35]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64718704

Duk was a regular starter and one of the main players in Benfica's B team, while Tavares was nearly always a sub and made about 80% of his appearances last season coming off the bench for the last few minutes of games. Quite how anyone at Hibs thought a sub for Benfica's B team would be a good signing is another thing.

[Sergio sledge]

Duk was a regular starter and one of the main players in Benfica's B team, while Tavares was nearly always a sub and made about 80% of his appearances last season coming off the bench for the last few minutes of games. Quite how anyone at Hibs thought a sub for Benfica's B team would be a good signing is another thing.

Duk was not a regular starter or a main player for the team, even the BBC article in the post you quoted has him only making 6 starts for the B team, with 14 appearances from the bench. Jair also had 6 starts with 18 appearances from the Bench. Duk, playing CF scored 8 goals, Jair playing LW scored 4 goals with 1 assist.

To be fair it seems like Duk missed a fair chunk of games with injury, but his appearance rate from the rest of the season would have suggested only another 3 or so starts in that 10 games.

Duk averaged 30.9 mins of game time per appearance and Jair averaged 29.1 mins of game time per appearance which would suggest that they had a similar importance to the team IMHO.

We took a gamble on someone who showed some promise in Benfica's B team, not really any different to looking in the reserves of EPL sides, exactly the type of market we have to keep an eye on and, sometimes, take a gamble on. Guys like Jair and Melkerson have been the main casualties of the failed development/B team concept as they're clearly not good enough for the first team yet but had no-where else to get game time.

Jair is a year younger than Duk, and at that age a year can make a significant difference. I'd be surprised if we don't try to move him on in the summer because it hasn't worked as well as we clearly hoped it would but, if he does end up staying, maybe with a year under his belt here he'll be more settled next season and start to make a similar impact to Duk.

This season has been an absolute mess for many reasons and I am not surprised a young guy coming to a new country and a new style of football in a bloated, seemingly demoralised, squad has struggled.

[Fergus52]

An article blowing sunshine up the bum of Duk, who played alongside Tavares last season.

I just can't help being irritated by this - we scouted that team and signed Tavares, while Aberdeen got Duk [emoji35]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64718704

Aberdeen's wage bill is around double ours.

No way we would ever be able to compete with them for a player we both want

[Paulie Walnuts]

Aberdeen's wage bill is around double ours.

No way we would ever be able to compete with them for a player we both want

That’s not all spent on players though. They’ve got near enough everything in house apparently whilst we outsource a load of stuff, so they have alot of extra staff appearing on their wage bill that we don’t.

[Unseen work]

I think with Jair there’s maybe just been too many variables that just hasn’t went for him

- Moving to a new country
- Pressure - Openly said he never wanted the number 10 to begin with
- Lack of B team/reserve fixtures
- Higher level and completely different league than previously played

A lot to deal with for a young player

[Tambo]

The lack of chances for Tavares is a really weird one.

Yes he may not have adjusted as good/quick as we thought but surely the best way to do that is minutes on the pitch.

Earlier in the season we were struggling creating and still nothing. We persevered with Youan who was poor and now looks 10x the player for it.

At times Tavares has been a bit naive on the ball but he’s also shown little glimpses of his ability.

I really thought after the World Cup break he’d have gotten a chance, especially with impressing against Middlesbrough and Raith who he was brilliant against.

I just want to see him get a chance. McKirdy has had loads more minutes than him and hasn’t got a goal or assist, but even with him I think there’s an argument he needs a start/run of games too.

Wingers are inconsistent, but to bring them in from the cold when they’re low on confidence and expect them to instantly make a difference rarely happens.

Thought he looked OK vs Raith also and has not featured since apart from 7 minutes vs Kilmarnock.

That's why I asked last week why have him on the bench if there's no future for him when LJ could of used a youngster instead.

[Tyler Durden]

Aberdeen's wage bill is around double ours.

No way we would ever be able to compete with them for a player we both want

Their spend on playing staff will be nowhere near double ours.

[HerbDailly]

I've had a seethe bubbling away about this whole thing for ages, but for some reason I'm suddenly very happy that Aberdeen signed Duk!
Isn't that the damnedest thing?

[overdrive]

I think with Jair there’s maybe just been too many variables that just hasn’t went for him

- Moving to a new country
- Pressure - Openly said he never wanted the number 10 to begin with
- Lack of B team/reserve fixtures
- Higher level and completely different league than previously played

A lot to deal with for a young player

Or he’s just crap which is the actual answer

[Musselbound]

The Tavares signing hasn't worked out so far. But why would we not be looking at players from the likes of Benfica's B team? Benfica are in the quarter finals of the Champions League so the gulf between them and Hibs is massive.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

I think with Jair there’s maybe just been too many variables that just hasn’t went for him

- Moving to a new country
- Pressure - Openly said he never wanted the number 10 to begin with
- Lack of B team/reserve fixtures
- Higher level and completely different league than previously played

A lot to deal with for a young player

mall that plus, a winter in Scotland versus Lisboa…

it’s the lack of light that gets a lot of the folks I’ve met from sunnier climes and can’t be understated - that said Latapy adapted but net everyone is the same and Russell was older.

[Brooster]

Or he’s just crap which is the actual answer

Correct, no other way to dress it up.

[Donegal Hibby]

Seems to have done well in a reserve game scoring one and also turning provider . Lee Johnson seems to imply he's not adapted to the Scottish game yet .
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/lee-johnson-speaks-on-protecting-jair-tavares-as-portuguese-winger-shines-in-hibs-reserve-win-4073991

[Since452]

Seems to have done well in a reserve game scoring one and also turning provider . Lee Johnson seems to imply he's not adapted to the Scottish game yet .
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/lee-johnson-speaks-on-protecting-jair-tavares-as-portuguese-winger-shines-in-hibs-reserve-win-4073991

Good read.

[Donegal Hibby]

Good read.
Yes it was a interesting article. Tavares is definitely a skillful player , just hasn't adapted to Scottish football and needs more time .

[Gmack7]

Yes it was a interesting article. Tavares is definitely a skillful player , just hasn't adapted to Scottish football and needs more time .

I'm not sure Tavares will ever get a game for us, McGeady, Youan and Boyle out injured or suspended and he brings on Mckirdy and Henderson to play wide after Hoppe had been invisible all game,leaving Tavares spectating again.
Baffling signing, he is at best 7th in line for a start out wide, can't see him having 10 on his back next season if he's still here.
I was hoping he would get a chance yesterday

[Tambo]

Gave up on Jair now under LJ as soon as Henderson was announced.

Plays well and gets praised after a good performance for the development team then at 3-1 down can't even bring him on for some minutes.

[GRA]

I saw Tavares described as a 'human victory cigar' during one of our recent wins. Haven't seen anything else to convince me otherwise. And Bojang looked as if he had never seen a football in his life.

[Billy Whizz]

Gave up on Jair now under LJ as soon as Henderson was announced.

Plays well and gets praised after a good performance for the development team then at 3-1 down can't even bring him on for some minutes.

I’m not convinced Jair or Bojang were Johnson signings anyway. We’re still felling the pain of Ian Gordon dabbling in transfers

[Cod Boy]

Not his fault but having Jair on the bench and not getting game time might be a reason why some of our younger players are wanting out.

[Heisenberg]

Jair genuinely looked like he had never kicked a ball before when he came on yesterday. Dread to think how much he’s getting paid. Laidlaw surely worth a shot on the bench ahead of him at this stage.

[Trinity Hibee]

Jair genuinely looked like he had never kicked a ball before when he came on yesterday. Dread to think how much he’s getting paid. Laidlaw surely worth a shot on the bench ahead of him at this stage.

One of the strangest signings we’ve ever made. Looks like a lost boy

[Nicho87]

The scary thing was hibs made jair out to be the steal of the season bla bla bla

Got the number ten shirt etc

He’s miles away from playing a full season in this league

How bad are we when we are bringing on Tavares and Henderson to change a game.

Sad times

[Pretty Boy]

Jair genuinely looked like he had never kicked a ball before when he came on yesterday. Dread to think how much he’s getting paid. Laidlaw surely worth a shot on the bench ahead of him at this stage.

I don't think we'll see Laidlaw in a 1st team shirt at Hibs.

Not because he's not good enough but because he'll be playing his football elsewhere next season. I don't think he has any intention of signing a new contract and I don't blame him one bit.

[LewysGot2]

Driving back, BBC Aberdeen Sportsound were speaking about Jair. Came out of the same academy side in Portugal as Duk.

Now, I always filter BBC Aberdeen-HMFC for its inherent bias towards certain clubs but that is quite a thought. I don't like Duks diving and think he's a chancer but when you compare his desire, physicality, impact and interest in getting involved in a game compared to little boy lost...yikes!

[Paulie Walnuts]

Sure Tavares was held up as a player as simply couldn’t believe we had managed to sign.

One thing I would say about him is he’s had absolutely zero opportunity in comparison to most other players. He doesn’t really deserve much more than he’s had but then neither do a lot of the players who have had a hell of a lot more minutes than him.

[Jones28]

Hibs cocked up by giving him the #10.

He’s signed a 5 year deal and is still young, I’m prepared to give him plenty of time but he needs more opportunities if he’s going to develop.

We’re so reluctant to give young players a chance. It’s really frustrating to see guys like Delfierre and Tait play really well in pre season, but they’re nowhere to be seen.

[SlickShoes]

Knew there would be a post about him, he came on with 5 minutes to go for the first time in who knows how long, not really sure what anyone expected him to do with that time.

[B.H.F.C]

Hibs cocked up by giving him the #10.

He’s signed a 5 year deal and is still young, I’m prepared to give him plenty of time but he needs more opportunities if he’s going to develop.

We’re so reluctant to give young players a chance. It’s really frustrating to see guys like Delfierre and Tait play really well in pre season, but they’re nowhere to be seen.

He’s 22 so not that young. He looks absolutely miles away from being capable of playing. They didn’t cock up by giving him the number 10 shirt, they cocked up by signing him in the first place.

I agree on the general point about being reluctant to give youth a chance but don’t think that applies in this case.

[Jones28]

He’s 22 so not that young. He looks absolutely miles away from being capable of playing. They didn’t cock up by giving him the number 10 shirt, they cocked up by signing him in the first place.

I agree on the general point about being reluctant to give youth a chance but don’t think that applies in this case.

And you gathered all this info from the 10 or so minutes he got yesterday?