Hanlon

[AugustaHibs]

In the bin.

Cheers for the memories.

The 3 mistakes at all 3 goals tonight wouldn’t look out of place in the pub league.


****ing hopeless and has been for years

[the_ginger_hibee]

Take away the sentimentality - the Scottish Cup and 'one of our own' stuff, and he'd have been gone ages ago. Looks suspect so many times now. Yet people will see what they want because of 2016.

[Pretty Boy]

Fine servant.

Football isn't a sentimental game though. Time to be ruthless and bring in his replacement.

[Del Boy]

Love the guy but he’s done at this level

[Since452]

People have been blinkered by Hanlon for years because of 2016.

[Since90+2]

Nowhere near good enough these days. He's always had erratic form even when in his prime years, he's just not very good at all now.

[Trinity Hibee]

Agree with all of the above. Fish needs a run of games now.

[CL0762]

Always defended Paul but it’s hard to defend that tonight.

Would be surprised to see him again from the start.

[NC1875]

Needed replaced for years. Usual suspects will tell us otherwise.

[Tyler Durden]

As a senior player his body language and mentality is just so poor. Can’t do his own job to lead by example so what does he offer?

Really should not be tough to sign better

[Unseen work]

For the first 55 minutes I thought he was playing really well.

2nd goal I thought soft but I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt and out the blame more at Cadden? For losing the initial header.

The second goal though, deary me. How can your centre half get skinned that easy in the box.

[supermcginn]

For the first 55 minutes I thought he was playing really well.

2nd goal I thought soft but I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt and out the blame more at Cadden? For losing the initial header.

The second goal though, deary me. How can your centre half get skinned that easy in the box.

He headed it straight to them for the first, it was a ridiculous header that put us right in the 5hit.

[houstonhibbee]

Was he any worse than Rocky?

[Trinity Hibee]

Was he any worse than Rocky?

Yes. Had a hand in all 3 goals.

[NC1875]

Was he any worse than Rocky?

Seriously? 😂

[cameronw-hfc]

Was he any worse than Rocky?

Even if he wasn't, you could argue that was Rockys worst performance of the season and imo he was still the best in that backline tonight.

[CL0762]

Even if he wasn't, you could argue that was Rockys worst performance of the season and imo he was still the best in that backline tonight.

Not hard when the other 3 were absolutely woeful.

[madabouthibs]

I'm a massive fan of Hanlon and love the fact he's deservedly known as a Hibs legend, but he's finished at the level we need, and aspire to be at. However, it's a bit worrying that our manager decides time and time again that he is our best option at centre half.
I dont think we can fully blame him for tonight though when we have a front man that would struggle to get in the women's team in Youan.

[CapitalGreen]

Was he any worse than Rocky?

Did you watch the game?

[Hiber-nation]

Did you watch the game?

I'm assuming he didn't. Rocky was probably our best player for the first 70 mins. The other 3 were as bad as each other.

[Benny Brazil]

Defensively we are poor - Cadden is never a right back, Cabraja needs replaced as well, Rocky was poor tonight but I agree time is up for Hanlon, love the guy but he was responsible for at least 2 goals - so poor tonight

[Onceinawhile]

Last 4 months, he's fallen off a shelf.

I'm afraid it's either the championship for him, or for us.

[cameronw-hfc]

Not hard when the other 3 were absolutely woeful.

Seems a weird trend folk having a go at Rocky when hes arguably been our POTY so far.

[Hibees1973]

There's got to be a better left sided centre half out there, who will cost peanuts, that is better than Hanlon.

[supermcginn]

Was he any worse than Rocky?

Well he had a huge hand in all 3 goals so....yes lol

[Torto7]

Cadden and Hanlon in a back four is too flimsy.

[GreenCastle]

Cadden and Hanlon in a back four is too flimsy.

Teams know deep crosses cause us a problem.

Cadden also isn’t very good 1v1.

Rocky only player actually doing his job this season in back line.

Porto and Rocky were fine but LJ doesn’t want to drop Hanlon. So he tries to find a way to get all 3 playing !

[h1bs4life]

Hanlon should have been moved on years ago said after the St Johnstone cup final that both Hanlon and Stevenson should be moved on and if Ross didn’t they would last longer than he would didn’t know they would last longer than Maloney as well and looks like longer than Johnson .
While Stevenson hasn’t been much of a starter the two it could be argued both were in there prime in 2016 almost 7 years later still here . We have had about 10 managerial changes and even ownership change since both started playing .

[jeffers]

I like Paul Hanlon, think he’s had a lot of undeserved stick over the years, but hard to defend him tonight. He was awful.

[wookie70]

Was he any worse than Rocky? Not really. I thought Rocky looked shaky today too. The danger never really came to him though so he wasn't greatly at fault for the goals. Hanlon is the fall guy despite many other players doing poorly at all 3 goals. Cadden, Youan, Cabraja to name a few. Hanlon was poor tonight and isn't having a great season. Then again who is. I can hardly think of an outfield player I would be desperate to keep outwith Boyle who is injured and Nisbet who is returning from injury. We will concede lots more goals this season as we simply don't even attempt to stop teams getting the ball into our box. It was laughable how easy The Rangers played crosses and passes into our box tonight. The game plan for defence, if there was one, was a complete disaster and that isn't anything new. I'm not one for sacking managers early but LJ really needs to look at his performances and if he thinks anything was even acceptable in that second half he will be gone before long.

[BS44]

Doesn't have to be a good defender at the last two goals, just show a bit of guile and let them run offside

[Brightside]

We have nobody to replace him. I’d suggest having a midfield that can defend would help.

[JohnM1875]

I've defended Hanlon, rightly in my opinion, for a few seasons now. But think he was initially at fault for two goals tonight.

[Hibs3-2]

Get him to FK. Simple as that.

[SMAXXA]

We have nobody to replace him. I’d suggest having a midfield that can defend would help.

And there me wanting a defence that can defend

[JammyDoidger]

Aye he's hopeless like. 2 new quality centre half's needed.

[California-Hibs]

Glad this thread was started because its saved me doing so. Completely agree. Venting frustrations and anger at Hanlon doesn't erase how he used to be. The guys been a great servant and has had some cracking seasons with us. 2016 being the obvious one but even outwith he's had some really impressive campaigns. Id say 2018 onward he's started to decline and this season time and time again he's shown to be not good enough.

Hes the root of so many of our problems and I'd be looking to sign his replacement in January and have him on the bench asap as an emergency option.

[KiddA]

In the bin.

Cheers for the memories.

The 3 mistakes at all 3 goals tonight wouldn’t look out of place in the pub league.


****ing hopeless and has been for years

Been saying this for years but yet we continue to play him. I wonder how many managers he has seen and gone. The Scottish cup wan an amazing season but let's not forget he was part of a team that stayed in the championship for three years. Truly shocking tonight,if be starts against Livvy LJ almost wants to be sacked. What's the actual point in Fish if we don't play him 😩

[CMac1988]

We have nobody to replace him. I’d suggest having a midfield that can defend would help.

We could start with the defender we have in midfield...

[KeithTheHibby]

We have nobody to replace him. I’d suggest having a midfield that can defend would help.

Are you kidding me? Did you watch the game last night? He had a major role in all 3 goals we conceded. The guy is finished at this level. Your incessant defending of him is getting desperate.

[Since452]

Hanlon has been getting progressively worse over the last few seasons (only natural I guess) and I don't even think he was that good to start with. He's been a key factor in our honking form. No manager seems to have the balls to say enough is enough. Vice captain, Hibs fan, loads of appearances that's great but it that shouldn't mean anything. We are weak as piss at the back and Hanlon is usually the reason. Harsh but true. Sick of seeing him him bullied and being out of position. Said it before and was crucified for it but reminds me of Berra at Hearts towards the end. Needs replaced.

[Brightside]

Are you kidding me? Did you watch the game last night? He had a major role in all 3 goals we conceded. The guy is finished at this level. Your incessant defending of him is getting desperate.

I’ve said replace him. We don’t have anyone though. So at least set a team up not to give rangers 70% possession in defensive third. We set up like a school team last night.

[Greencore]

Our defense has been murder for years. Bar the odd decent game from Porto and that's being nice! Everyone in the league knows our defense is gash. We can't handle crosses.

[Stuart93]

I’ve said replace him. We don’t have anyone though. So at least set a team up not to give rangers 70% possession in defensive third. We set up like a school team last night.

I’d play a back 4 and have Porteous and Rocky in there ahead of hanlon

[CapitalGreen]

Our defense has been murder for years. Bar the odd decent game from Porto and that's being nice! Everyone in the league knows our defense is gash. We can't handle crosses.

Up until the Celtic game at Parkhead we had conceded the least amount of goals outwith the old firm post covid.

[jeffers]

Our defense has been murder for years. Bar the odd decent game from Porto and that's being nice! Everyone in the league knows our defense is gash. We can't handle crosses.

3 of our back 4 last night were awful. I’d maybe just about give Rocky a pass mark. Cadden is a dreadful defender, he’s not even that good going forward, but does have great energy. Lewis us still a better option at left back than Cabraja is and as I said I like Paul Hanlon but his performance last night cannot be defended.

I agree with Brightside though, those in front of the defence are offering little to no cover.

[Iain G]

3 of our back 4 last night were awful. I’d maybe just about give Rocky a pass mark. Cadden is a dreadful defender, he’s not even that good going forward, but does have great energy. Lewis us still a better option at left back than Cabraja is and as I said I like Paul Hanlon but his performance last night cannot be defended.

I agree with Brightside though, those in front of the defence are offering little to no cover.

Kenneh should have been on early in the second half to provide cover and win the ball back.

[Brightside]

Kenneh should have been on early in the second half to provide cover and win the ball back.

He should have been on from the start. The fact that LJ thinks playing a CB in there instead is a good enough reason for him to go. Porto may have scored but he was awful in that position and I don't blame the player.

[Iain G]

He should have been on from the start. The fact that LJ thinks playing a CB in there instead is a good enough reason for him to go. Porto may have scored but he was awful in that position and I don't blame the player.

Yeah agree with you, though being able to change that up at half time would have given Pete Beale something else to deal with. Could have gone to a proper back 3 / 5.

[WestStandWillie]

Hanlon's been floating between 5/10 and 7/10 for the last few years. On his day he's a solid CH but more often than not he's not up to this level of football (applies to a lot of that squad alarmingly).

He's 32 and has at least 3-4 years left in him minimum, does he bide his time in the squad or should he be sold? If he's sold/released/loaned then where does that leave the Hanlon Stevenson Foundation?

[the_ginger_hibee]

Hanlon's been floating between 5/10 and 7/10 for the last few years. On his day he's a solid CH but more often than not he's not up to this level of football (applies to a lot of that squad alarmingly).

He's 32 and has at least 3-4 years left in him minimum, does he bide his time in the squad or should he be sold? If he's sold/released/loaned then where does that leave the Hanlon Stevenson Foundation?

It should be irrelevant. We are a football team, not a charity. I fear that kind of sentimentality has influenced decisions on the pitch that have led us to this mess.

[WestStandWillie]

It should be irrelevant. We are a football team, not a charity. I fear that kind of sentimentality has influenced decisions on the pitch that have led us to this mess.

I think it has. Not disputing the fabulous work it's done off the park but it should have been left until both players had finished their careers.

[supermcginn]

It should be irrelevant. We are a football team, not a charity. I fear that kind of sentimentality has influenced decisions on the pitch that have led us to this mess.

Couldn't agree more.

[Brightside]

Hanlon's been floating between 5/10 and 7/10 for the last few years. On his day he's a solid CH but more often than not he's not up to this level of football (applies to a lot of that squad alarmingly).

He's 32 and has at least 3-4 years left in him minimum, does he bide his time in the squad or should he be sold? If he's sold/released/loaned then where does that leave the Hanlon Stevenson Foundation?

The Hanlon Stevenson foundation is their foundation. If he goes to another club (which I doubt) it will make no difference to the foundation.

[the_ginger_hibee]

I think it has. Not disputing the fabulous work it's done off the park but it should have been left until both players had finished their careers.

Agree. They are both decent people clearly, but it's a messy situation having a charity going while they are still playing. The day they leave will put everyone in a awkward situation as the charity is so visible and linked with the club. If Hanlon came to ER playing for Kilmarnock for example, would it feel right having his name and face plastered around our stadium? 100% should have been left until they retired.

[Brightside]

Agree. They are both decent people clearly, but it's a messy situation having a charity going while they are still playing. The day they leave will put everyone in a awkward situation as the charity is so visible and linked with the club. If Hanlon came to ER playing for Kilmarnock for example, would it feel right having his name and face plastered around our stadium? 100% should have been left until they retired.

Nonsense. We really are in a sad place if we are questioning our 2 senior players actually showing some of the fabled "Hibs Class". yeh lets hold off on giving something back to the community Lewis until we are retired..... ffs.

[the_ginger_hibee]

Nonsense. We really are in a sad place if we are questioning our 2 senior players actually showing some of the fabled "Hibs Class". yeh lets hold off on giving something back to the community Lewis until we are retired..... ffs.

Not nonsense. We are a football club not a charity. Plenty time to start a charity later or volunteer now under the Hibs Community Trust.

It's a messy situation and I have no faith sentimentality hasn't influenced things on the pitch with those two especially.

[IFONLY]

Been saying this for years but yet we continue to play him. I wonder how many managers he has seen and gone. The Scottish cup wan an amazing season but let's not forget he was part of a team that stayed in the championship for three years. Truly shocking tonight,if be starts against Livvy LJ almost wants to be sacked. What's the actual point in Fish if we don't play him 😩


Rather silly quote IMHO

[Brightside]

Not nonsense. We are a football club not a charity. Plenty time to start a charity later or volunteer now under the Hibs Community Trust.

It's a messy situation and I have no faith sentimentality hasn't influenced things on the pitch with those two especially.

It’s got nothing to do with Hibs. Plenty players have outside interests. Paul and Lewis are just decent humans helping those less fortunate.

[the_ginger_hibee]

It’s got nothing to do with Hibs. Plenty players have outside interests. Paul and Lewis are just decent humans helping those less fortunate.

Very simplified way to look at things and it has everything to do with Hibs. I don't see posters or logos around our stadium of Joe Newell playing golf or David Marshall pruning his garden.

[Iain G]

Very simplified way to look at things and it has everything to do with Hibs. I don't see posters or logos around our stadium of Joe Newell playing golf or David Marshall pruning his garden.

And why would you? They aren't a charity foundation? :confused:

[the_ginger_hibee]

And why would you? They aren't a charity foundation? :confused:

Neither are Hibernian Football Club.

My point being they should have worked with the community foundation until they left Hibs, then setup their own charity. It's a distraction and will allow sentimentality to creep in where it shouldn't - on the park.

[hibeerealist]

Hanlon's been floating between 5/10 and 7/10 for the last few years. On his day he's a solid CH but more often than not he's not up to this level of football (applies to a lot of that squad alarmingly).

He's 32 and has at least 3-4 years left in him minimum, does he bide his time in the squad or should he be sold? If he's sold/released/loaned then where does that leave the Hanlon Stevenson Foundation?


Hanlon won't be sold who would buy him, perhaps the same club that would buy Youan and Newell?

Start looking

[Steven79]

It should be irrelevant. We are a football team, not a charity. I fear that kind of sentimentality has influenced decisions on the pitch that have led us to this mess.It's going on the assumption that Paul would see out his playing days with the club just like Gray & Stevenson...

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[Since90+2]

Agree. They are both decent people clearly, but it's a messy situation having a charity going while they are still playing. The day they leave will put everyone in a awkward situation as the charity is so visible and linked with the club. If Hanlon came to ER playing for Kilmarnock for example, would it feel right having his name and face plastered around our stadium? 100% should have been left until they retired.

Not having that. He's finished at the top level IMO but his outstanding charity work is completely irrelevant.

[WhileTheChief..]

I’d play a back 4 and have Porteous and Rocky in there ahead of hanlon

That was working for a while. I’d go back to it too.

[Smartie]

That was working for a while. I’d go back to it too.

From memory it didn’t work that well at all.

We played our best stuff with Porteous and Hanlon at CB in a 4 earlier this season, even if (strangely) Rocky has been our best CB this season.

[LunasBoots]

The back 4 has been a problem for a while, for me the central defence needs freshened up, Rocky for me has been pretty solid so he stays, Hanlon has been way of it for a while unfortunately and is probably nearing the end of being a starter.

[Lago]

Just watched the goal highlights from last night and deary me schoolboy defending at all 3 goals, the 3rd makes Hanlon look like an amateur.

[RMQ1967]

He should have been on from the start. The fact that LJ thinks playing a CB in there instead is a good enough reason for him to go. Porto may have scored but he was awful in that position and I don't blame the player.

Also agree with this. Part of the reason that we had zero foothold in midfield but can't help think there was no intention to try and keep possession in there. Everything fired quick & long which worked for a while.

Also agree with the other poster that thinks LJ is trying to get himself sacked. Leaving Youan on & Kennah & McKirdy off is inexplicable.

[KiddA]

Rather silly quote IMHO

How come? He could be a game or two away from getting the sack why continue to play poor players that are not helping his cause? Again Hanlon has been poor for years and its clear as day he should not be playing in this Hibs team anymore. How do you feel about Hanlon? Would you play him knowing you had pressure on you to get results?

[bigwheel]

Kenneh should have been on early in the second half to provide cover and win the ball back.

I can understand why Kenneh isn’t getting game time. He’s largely struggled . Gets caught in possession, doesn’t win a lot of balls and more notably his distribution has been poor. He may turn out to be a decent signing, but he has to raise his performance levels a lot. Surprised to see people rate him. Overall, he’s been disappointing for me.


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[B.H.F.C]

I can understand why Kenneh isn’t getting game time. He’s largely struggled . Gets caught in possession, doesn’t win a lot of balls and more notably his distribution has been poor. He may turn out to be a decent signing, but he has to raise his performance levels a lot. Surprised to see people rate him. Overall, he’s been disappointing for me.


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I agree about his use of the ball. He is good at winning it back and it’s fine having really good stats for tackles or ball recoveries or whatever. But he’s not sharp enough on the ball. I think there is something there to work with but he’s miles away from being a player for me.

[Heisenberg]

I agree about his use of the ball. He is good at winning it back and it’s fine having really good stats for tackles or ball recoveries or whatever. But he’s not sharp enough on the ball. I think there is something there to work with but he’s miles away from being a player for me.

Could see it from the first game he played in pre season and he hasn’t improved on it at all.

[Trinity Hibee]

Could see it from the first game he played in pre season and he hasn’t improved on it at all.

Not disagreeing with any of this.

It goes back to recruitment. We were told this was a very good up and coming player at a EPL club. Turns out he’s no better than any other DM we’ve had. I really am starting to wonder what is going on with these signings.

The stat I saw the other day saying that 7 of our starting line up have been here more than 2 years is a huge worry. I’d empty everyone bar Marshall, Stevenson, Boyle, nisbet. We need a complete overhaul and let’s just hope we aren’t relegated before we get it.

[bigwheel]

Not disagreeing with any of this.

It goes back to recruitment. We were told this was a very good up and coming player at a EPL club. Turns out he’s no better than any other DM we’ve had. I really am starting to wonder what is going on with these signings.

The stat I saw the other day saying that 7 of our starting line up have been here more than 2 years is a huge worry. I’d empty everyone bar Marshall, Stevenson, Boyle, nisbet. We need a complete overhaul and let’s just hope we aren’t relegated before we get it.

I’d add Magennis and Myko to that “keep” list ..but the fact we have made 22 signings in the last 12 months - and we don’t have a core 6-7 quality first teamwrs to build our team around is the root cause of our challenge .

[Brightside]

Just watched the goal highlights from last night and deary me schoolboy defending at all 3 goals, the 3rd makes Hanlon look like an amateur.

The 3rd is against one of the best players in Scotland.

[Brightside]

Very simplified way to look at things and it has everything to do with Hibs. I don't see posters or logos around our stadium of Joe Newell playing golf or David Marshall pruning his garden.

You sir are an idiot.

[bigwheel]

Very simplified way to look at things and it has everything to do with Hibs. I don't see posters or logos around our stadium of Joe Newell playing golf or David Marshall pruning his garden.

And if there were , do you think it would be impacting football performance ?? In all the takes on here , over all the years - the premise that Players having a charity to help the local community is detrimental to Hibs is singularly the most stupid thing I’ve ever read on here …

[the_ginger_hibee]

Not having that. He's finished at the top level IMO but his outstanding charity work is completely irrelevant.

Wasn't having a go at his charity work at all. Which is of course commendable. Read the post, the charity work is relevant if it is having an impact on the pitch.


You sir are an idiot.

And you sound like an intellectual heavyweight...

[JimBHibees]

Not nonsense. We are a football club not a charity. Plenty time to start a charity later or volunteer now under the Hibs Community Trust.

It's a messy situation and I have no faith sentimentality hasn't influenced things on the pitch with those two especially.

Nothing messy about it they are directly helping some of the most disadvantaged in society. How on any planet is that a bad thing?

[the_ginger_hibee]

And if there were , do you think it would be impacting football performance ?? In all the takes on here , over all the years - the premise that Players having a charity to help the local community is detrimental to Hibs is singularly the most stupid thing I’ve ever read on here …

Thanks. Big praise.

If it's having an impact on the pitch it's detrimental, is that wrong? And I also posed a question about them coming back as opponents and having huge banners of them across our stadium and the charity so intertwined with the club. I think that's an awkward issue, do you not?

Does it have an impact on the pitch? I think its very possible. The legacy and how ingrained they are at the club will influence and maybe intimidate any manager and you can clearly tell with performances from Hanlon especially that he's nowhere near good enough and hasn't been for a long time.

[bigwheel]

Thanks. Big praise.

If it's having an impact on the pitch it's detrimental, is that wrong? And I also posed a question about them coming back as opponents and having huge banners of them across our stadium and the charity so intertwined with the club. I think that's an awkward issue, do you not?

Does it have an impact on the pitch? I think its very possible. The legacy and how ingrained they are at the club will influence any manager and you can clearly tell with performances from Hanlon especially that he's nowhere near good enough and hasn't been for a long time.

You’re making up the impact on the pitch - it’s complete nonsense …

And to suggest that a banner would impact us if they returned with another team is equally bonkers

for all the valid issues to raise on this board around team performance - you’ve picked a made up one ..go on , what next ?? Darren McGregor’s beard impacting team morale ?

[the_ginger_hibee]

Nothing messy about it they are directly helping some of the most disadvantaged in society. How on any planet is that a bad thing?

When did I say charity was a bad thing? I didn't. You are reading what you want to and missing the point completely.

[CapitalGreen]

Wasn't having a go at his charity work at all. Which is of course commendable. Read the post, the charity work is relevant if it is having an impact on the pitch.



And you sound like an intellectual heavyweight...


Christ. It’s not having a detrimental impact on performances. Both players are just getting older and as a result their abilities are declining as happens to every player.

[the_ginger_hibee]

You’re making up the impact on the pitch - it’s complete nonsense …

And to suggest that a banner would impact us if they returned with another team is equally bonkers

for all the valid issues to raise on this board around team performance - you’ve picked a made up one ..go on , what next ?? Darren McGregor’s beard impacting team morale ?

I didn't say it would impact us on the pitch. Are you capable of reading more than 1 point at a time without getting them mixed up? I said it's an awkward situation.

Do you agree if it's having a negative impact on the pitch, then it's a problem & detrimental? As I said before, Hibs are not a charity and my loyalty is to Hibs. Not Hanlon or Stevenson, good guys doing commendable charity work or not.

[bigwheel]

I didn't say it would impact us on the pitch. Are you capable of reading more than 1 point at a time without getting them mixed up? I said it's an awkward situation.

Do you agree if it's having a negative impact on the pitch, then it's a problem & detrimental? As I said before, Hibs are not a charity and my loyalty is to Hibs. Not Hanlon or Stevenson, good guys doing commendable charity work or not.

It’s not awkward at all. And it Is not impacting on the pitch ..

You’re arguing about an issue you have invented - it is made up - why not focus on one the many real ones you can post about.

Get over your hang up with their charity - it is nothing but a positive.

[the_ginger_hibee]

Christ. It’s not having a detrimental impact on performances. Both players are just getting older and as a result their abilities are declining as happens to every player.

Imagine LJ, or any manager, coming in and making the decision to sell/release Hanlon. You are mad for not thinking the weight of that decision isn't made heavier by their legacy at the club. I don't want even 1% of a decision on the pitch to be influenced by anything off it. Same point for them being in the team, something I think has been in question for years. They are nowhere near good enough but the fact they are 'good Hibs men' and have 2016 in their back pocket has influenced & blinded many people on here and possibly managers.

[Brightside]

Wasn't having a go at his charity work at all. Which is of course commendable. Read the post, the charity work is relevant if it is having an impact on the pitch.



And you sound like an intellectual heavyweight...

Compared to your reasoning I’m a Yale professor

[Brightside]

Imagine LJ, or any manager, coming in and making the decision to sell/release Hanlon. You are mad for not thinking the weight of that decision isn't made heavier by their legacy at the club. I don't want even 1% of a decision on the pitch to be influenced by anything off it. Same point for them being in the team, something I think has been in question for years. They are nowhere near good enough but the fact they are 'good Hibs men' and have 2016 in their back pocket has influenced & blinded many people on here and possibly managers.

You need to remove yourself from the internet.

[Since452]

Hanlon needs taken out the team. Someone with his experience should be able to read the game much better and at least get himself in the right positions and make the right decisions. He's a hindrance at the moment. I really couldn't care how many appearances he's racked up. We need to start building for the future. Hanlon should be a bit part player now.

[theonlywayisup]

Hanlon needs taken out the team. Someone with his experience should be able to read the game much better and at least get himself in the right positions and make the right decisions. He's a hindrance at the moment. I really couldn't care how many appearances he's racked up. We need to start building for the future. Hanlon should be a bit part player now.

Agree and disagree! We should be planning for the days when he's no longer at first team pick, but we need experience in the team even if that experience isn't really helping at the moment. I'm not convinced exposing Fish to this current Hibs team will do him or the team any good.

Suppose the point I'm trying to make is that taking Hanlon out of the team isn't going to solve all our problems and could make things considerably worse considering the games we have coming up. I'd love Hibs to have a commanding centre half like Harry Soutar, John's brother born in Aberdeen but playing for Australia in the World Cup. Obviously too good for Hibs, but surely there are other guys out there like him.

[paddy1875]

Agree and disagree! We should be planning for the days when he's no longer at first team pick, but we need experience in the team even if that experience isn't really helping at the moment. I'm not convinced exposing Fish to this current Hibs team will do him or the team any good.

Suppose the point I'm trying to make is that taking Hanlon out of the team isn't going to solve all our problems and could make things considerably worse considering the games we have coming up. I'd love Hibs to have a commanding centre half like Harry Soutar, John's brother born in Aberdeen but playing for Australia in the World Cup. Obviously too good for Hibs, but surely there are other guys out there like him.

Hanlon has been at the club for his whole career and the experience he Has with hibs is more bad than good I would say.

Yes he won the Scottish cup and had his best season in 2016. He’s a hibs supporter and like many of us he’ll probably see the writing on the wall at the moment because he’s been through the Guff before. We need a clean slate at the centre of defence now.


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[BoomtownHibees]

Agree and disagree! We should be planning for the days when he's no longer at first team pick, but we need experience in the team even if that experience isn't really helping at the moment. I'm not convinced exposing Fish to this current Hibs team will do him or the team any good.

Suppose the point I'm trying to make is that taking Hanlon out of the team isn't going to solve all our problems and could make things considerably worse considering the games we have coming up. I'd love Hibs to have a commanding centre half like Harry Soutar, John's brother born in Aberdeen but playing for Australia in the World Cup. Obviously too good for Hibs, but surely there are other guys out there like him.

Why would we need experience if the experience isn’t helping the team? That’s mental

[LeithMike]

Not sure if it’s possible but given the greater investment in the playing side, I’d like to see a good few of the players on the periphery sold/released and the money put into getting a proper spine in the team.

I’d start with getting in Jason Kerr and make him captain. I think Hanlon would play well alongside him too. He wasn’t great the other night but I think he’d benefit from a strong leader alongside him - as would the whole team.

I still don’t think we’re a million miles off being a decent side and two good players would turn us around - a player like Jason Kerr and a central midfielder.


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[blackpoolhibs]

Not sure if it’s possible but given the greater investment in the playing side, I’d like to see a good few of the players on the periphery sold/released and the money put into getting a proper spine in the team.

I’d start with getting in Jason Kerr and make him captain. I think Hanlon would play well alongside him too. He wasn’t great the other night but I think he’d benefit from a strong leader alongside him - as would the whole team.

I still don’t think we’re a million miles off being a decent side and two good players would turn us around - a player like Jason Kerr and a central midfielder.


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Kerr has just done a cruciate, so cross him off the list.

[Brightside]

Hanlon has been at the club for his whole career and the experience he Has with hibs is more bad than good I would say.

Yes he won the Scottish cup and had his best season in 2016. He’s a hibs supporter and like many of us he’ll probably see the writing on the wall at the moment because he’s been through the Guff before. We need a clean slate at the centre of defence now.


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Utter bollox.

[theonlywayisup]

Why would we need experience if the experience isn’t helping the team? That’s mental

Obviously I'm not making myself clear.

Right now, we need experience especially at centre back. Whenever I write that someone comes back with the comment that we have an experienced centre back in Paul Hanlon. I think it's clear to most that we need better, but I'm not convinced throwing in Fish is the answer. So my preference is that we stick with the experienced Paul Hanlon until we get a better as experienced centre back.

Hence why I said I agree and disagreed with the poster that I was replying to.

[BoomtownHibees]

Obviously I'm not making myself clear.

Right now, we need experience especially at centre back. Whenever I write that someone comes back with the comment that we have an experienced centre back in Paul Hanlon. I think it's clear to most that we need better, but I'm not convinced throwing in Fish is the answer. So my preference is that we stick with the experienced Paul Hanlon until we get a better as experienced centre back.

Hence why I said I agree and disagreed with the poster that I was replying to.

My point is, if that experienced player continues to play poorly and makes mistakes leading to goals, why continue with him?

I’m not sure what the answer is either tbf. I sway between going back to what was working before; 4 at the back, Porto and Hanlon at centre half or bringing the likes of Fish in as he can’t be any worse than what we already have or going with a 3 which would also allow us to get 2 strikers in

[paddy1875]

Utter bollox.

What’s utter bollox?

He’s a nice guy. He’s had good games etc but has he really filled you with confidence in his time at the club?

He’s had purple patches here and there but we really need to move on from him being at the centre of the defence.


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[Allant1981]

What’s utter bollox?

He’s a nice guy. He’s had good games etc but has he really filled you with confidence in his time at the club?

He’s had purple patches here and there but we really need to move on from him being at the centre of the defence.


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Overall hanlon has been a good player for us but imo his time is well and truly up now at the club and we should be looking to bring better in now, but with the way recruitment has went recently it will be some young laddie who might be good in a few years

[ManchesterGreen]

Overall hanlon has been a good player for us but imo his time is well and truly up now at the club and we should be looking to bring better in now, but with the way recruitment has went recently it will be some young laddie who might be good in a few years


No he hasn’t. The majority of the time he’s been pretty average with the odd purple patch here and there. Weak physically and over the years he seems to have done nothing to fix that flaw. As you say, his time is up but the club will offer him a new deal out of sentiment.

[Dashing Bob S]

There should be no question whatsoever about Hanlon’s career contribution to Hibs.

Equally, there should be no question that the time has come to replace him - at least no question for any club with a modicum of ambition and sense of how teams are built.

The longer we keep players who are past it and no longer performing at the requisite standard, the less serious we are as a football club.

[WeeRussell]

There should be no question whatsoever about Hanlon’s career contribution to Hibs.

Equally, there should be no question that the time has come to replace him - at least no question for any club with a modicum of ambition and sense of how teams are built.

The longer we keep players who are past it and no longer performing at the requisite standard, the less serious we are as a football club.

It’s a real shame the Porteous situation has worked out the way it is. Him taking over the captaincy and mainstay in centre defence as Paul begins to take a backseat was the ideal scenario for me. Even if Porteous would have inevitably left a couple of seasons later.

(Edit - I’ve nae issue with Marshall as captain 😁)

[h1bs4life]

[QUOTE=paddy1875;7195193]Hanlon has been at the club for his whole career and the experience he Has with hibs is more bad than good I would say.

Yes he won the Scottish cup and had his best season in 2016. He’s a hibs supporter and like many of us he’ll probably see the writing on the wall at the moment because he’s been through the Guff before. We need a clean slate at the centre of defence now.


Your spot on both Hanlon and Stevenson have more bad than good , both will rightly be known as cup winning legends Stevenson double cup winning legend .
They have both been involved in disasters over the years, good on them for them having a charity outside football not sure if they should have large photos at either end of stand.
They seem to have some hold over people at the club and some fans they even got a mention by the guy putting the questions at the Turnbull’s Tornadoes event that got a few mumbled boos .
Now talk about Cabraja going with some saying he can’t cross and in the same post saying Stevenson fine , when Doig left some were saying Stevenson was better.
Over the last decade or so we have had numerous managers and well over 100 players even change of ownership and still having disasters , can’t have always been all there faults.
Whatever people’s thoughts are of them it’s time both were moved on although I do worry about some who might need counselling if that were to happen they seem to support Hanlon and Stevenson before Hibs .

[wookie70]

Paul has not had a great season, then again very few have. I'm sure he was injured for pre-season so that may have contributed but he is much better than his performances this year. I'd certainly look to get another player in that position to at the very least challenge for a starting spot. The problem is, much like teh Cabraja thread, are we likely to get better. Not on teh evidence of the signings since Gordon became involved.

[Brightside]

[QUOTE=paddy1875;7195193]Hanlon has been at the club for his whole career and the experience he Has with hibs is more bad than good I would say.

Yes he won the Scottish cup and had his best season in 2016. He’s a hibs supporter and like many of us he’ll probably see the writing on the wall at the moment because he’s been through the Guff before. We need a clean slate at the centre of defence now.


Your spot on both Hanlon and Stevenson have more bad than good , both will rightly be known as cup winning legends Stevenson double cup winning legend .
They have both been involved in disasters over the years, good on them for them having a charity outside football not sure if they should have large photos at either end of stand.
They seem to have some hold over people at the club and some fans they even got a mention by the guy putting the questions at the Turnbull’s Tornadoes event that got a few mumbled boos .
Now talk about Cabraja going with some saying he can’t cross and in the same post saying Stevenson fine , when Doig left some were saying Stevenson was better.
Over the last decade or so we have had numerous managers and well over 100 players even change of ownership and still having disasters , can’t have always been all there faults.
Whatever people’s thoughts are of them it’s time both were moved on although I do worry about some who might need counselling if that were to happen they seem to support Hanlon and Stevenson before Hibs .

He’s not spot on at all. Hanlon and Stevenson have had excellent careers at Hibs with more good games than bad, If you think otherwise you are simply wrong.

[joebakerforever]

David Gray knew when it was time to retire.

Unfortunately Hanlon appears not to, & is now a liability in our defence and is also blocking the opportunity for the likes of Fish & some of talented youngsters from our development squad.

Compare this to 18 year old Leon King at Rangers who has already made 16 league appearances out of a total of 30 first team outings.

There seems to be an irrational fear at Easter Road to blood youngsters and instead persevere with over the hill players like Hanlon or dodgy overseas unknown imports like Cabraja & Youhan etc.

[Brightside]

David Gray knew when it was time to retire.

Unfortunately Hanlon appears not to, & is now a liability in our defence and is also blocking the opportunity for the likes of Fish & some of talented youngsters from our development squad.

Compare this to 18 year old Leon King at Rangers who has already made 16 league appearances out of a total of 30 first team outings.

There seems to be an irrational fear at Easter Road to blood youngsters and instead persevere with over the hill players like Hanlon or dodgy overseas unknown imports like Cabraja & Youhan etc.

Name me the Left CBs he is holding back right now. I will help you out. WE DO NOT HAVE ANY.

[Smartie]

Not defending his actions at the third goal in particular but this does seem to be a bit of an over-reaction to what amounted to one substandard performance.

[MWHIBBIES]

No he hasn’t. The majority of the time he’s been pretty average with the odd purple patch here and there. Weak physically and over the years he seems to have done nothing to fix that flaw. As you say, his time is up but the club will offer him a new deal out of sentiment.

It's easy to spot the ones who only started coming again after promotion. Hanlon was excellent for Hibs between 2013-2020.


Seasons we finished 3rd and 4th recently he was very good.

[PHeffernan]

David Gray knew when it was time to retire.

Unfortunately Hanlon appears not to, & is now a liability in our defence and is also blocking the opportunity for the likes of Fish & some of talented youngsters from our development squad.

Compare this to 18 year old Leon King at Rangers who has already made 16 league appearances out of a total of 30 first team outings.

There seems to be an irrational fear at Easter Road to blood youngsters and instead persevere with over the hill players like Hanlon or dodgy overseas unknown imports like Cabraja & Youhan etc.

David Gray finished playing 2 seasons after he was done.
Hanlon has been picked by every manager every week because he is still cutting it.
Which goals are you blaming him for and why?

[I'm Spartacus]

People have been blinkered by Hanlon for years because of 2016.

I'd take being blinkered over Hanlon and 2016 over anything else on earth.

Club legend so lets tread a little respectfully here, definitely coming to the end of his playing time with us, but I would still love him involved in some way.

[superfurryhibby]

Not defending his actions at the third goal in particular but this does seem to be a bit of an over-reaction to what amounted to one substandard performance.

Having just watched the highlights for the first time, if one was playing the blame game then Hanlon's poor header handed the Huns the chance to bear down on goal for goal 1, 2nd goal, the ball is going in and close to the line and I'm not seeing how Hanlon is culpable. The third goal, beaten by a fantastic bit of skill, it happens, even to the very best defenders. Sometimes you have to credit the opposition player with a great bit of play.

I like Hanlon, he's been a fantastic servant to the club and is a very good footballing central defender. Fact is that there isn't anyone else at the club who plays his role and perhaps it's another example of how poor our recruitment has been that we are still relying on a guy who's not that long back from serious injury. He's probably close to the end of his Hibs career and needs replaced. Let's see how that one goes, in the meantime I wish we could stop some of the more mindless attempts at criticising him, the weak pish and all of that can GTF.

[JimBHibees]

Having just watched the highlights for the first time, if one was playing the blame game then Hanlon's poor header handed the Huns the chance to bear down on goal for goal 1, 2nd goal, the ball is going in and close to the line and I'm not seeing how Hanlon is culpable. The third goal, beaten by a fantastic bit of skill, it happens, even to the very best defenders. Sometimes you have to credit the opposition player with a great bit of play.

I like Hanlon, he's been a fantastic servant to the club and is a very good footballing central defender. Fact is that there isn't anyone else at the club who plays his role and perhaps it's another example of how poor our recruitment has been that we are still relying on a guy who's not that long back from serious injury. He's probably close to the end of his Hibs career and needs replaced. Let's see how that one goes, in the meantime I wish we could stop some of the more mindless attempts at criticising him, the weak pish and all of that can GTF.

Completely agree

[bigwheel]

Having just watched the highlights for the first time, if one was playing the blame game then Hanlon's poor header handed the Huns the chance to bear down on goal for goal 1, 2nd goal, the ball is going in and close to the line and I'm not seeing how Hanlon is culpable. The third goal, beaten by a fantastic bit of skill, it happens, even to the very best defenders. Sometimes you have to credit the opposition player with a great bit of play.

I like Hanlon, he's been a fantastic servant to the club and is a very good footballing central defender. Fact is that there isn't anyone else at the club who plays his role and perhaps it's another example of how poor our recruitment has been that we are still relying on a guy who's not that long back from serious injury. He's probably close to the end of his Hibs career and needs replaced. Let's see how that one goes, in the meantime I wish we could stop some of the more mindless attempts at criticising him, the weak pish and all of that can GTF.

A balanced critique…

[PHeffernan]

Not defending his actions at the third goal in particular but this does seem to be a bit of an over-reaction to what amounted to one substandard performance.

Watch the 3rd goal again and you will see he got done by great footwork from a very good player.
A £6 million player is capable of that.
Earlier in the season the same player ran from his own half beating 6 Motherwell players before scoring.

For the Hanlon critics on here.
Hanlon is one of the go to scapegoats of the lazy when things go wrong but the current manager like every other Hibs manager picks him every week.
Managers and coaches see him every day in training and watch and subsequently study every match.
If Hanlon's standards were slipping he would lose his place or be replaced in the next transfer window. To date this hasn't happened and I reckon it won't happen before the end of his contract.
The guy isn't perfect but he is far better than his critics give him credit for.

[B.H.F.C]

Watch the 3rd goal again and you will see he got done by great footwork from a very good player.
A £6 million player is capable of that.
Earlier in the season the same player ran from his own half beating 6 Motherwell players before scoring.

For the Hanlon critics on here.
Hanlon is one of the go to scapegoats of the lazy when things go wrong but the current manager like every other Hibs manager picks him every week.
Managers and coaches see him every day in training and watch and subsequently study every match.
If Hanlon's standards were slipping he would lose his place or be replaced in the next transfer window. To date this hasn't happened and I reckon it won't happen before the end of his contract.
The guy isn't perfect but he is far better than his critics give him credit for.

He’s had his good spells over his time. But he’s a mainstay in a team that have got two managers sacked in the last year and are well on the way to seeing another off. He’s never been perfect (obviously) but he’s not playing to the same level as he has in the past. We need to completely rebuild in the middle of defence and midfield and until we do, our struggles will continue.

[Since452]

Watch the 3rd goal again and you will see he got done by great footwork from a very good player.
A £6 million player is capable of that.
Earlier in the season the same player ran from his own half beating 6 Motherwell players before scoring.

For the Hanlon critics on here.
Hanlon is one of the go to scapegoats of the lazy when things go wrong but the current manager like every other Hibs manager picks him every week.
Managers and coaches see him every day in training and watch and subsequently study every match.
If Hanlon's standards were slipping he would lose his place or be replaced in the next transfer window. To date this hasn't happened and I reckon it won't happen before the end of his contract.
The guy isn't perfect but he is far better than his critics give him credit for.

A lot of what you say is true but people are now associating Hanlon with mediocrity and in my opinion they're correct. He's been captain or vice captain in numerous appalling runs which have seen managers emptied. It's more than just a coincidence now. He was very poor at Ibrox. Granted, good players can make you look poor, that happens but the concern for me is whenever we're up against a physical striker you know he's going to be bullied. Players must rub their hands when they see his name on our team sheet. It's been like that for a few seasons now possibly even more. You'd be delighted if he was lining up against us for Aberdeen or Hearts. Unfortunately there's a few that fall in to that bracket right now.

[Hibernian Verse]

An alien reading hibs net for the first time would think Jason Kerr was the messiah.

[Since452]

An alien reading hibs net for the first time would think Jason Kerr was the messiah.

Who was the other guy at St Johnstone we were in for under Ross? Can't remember his name. Was delighted when we didn't sign him.

[Jonnyboy]

Who was the other guy at St Johnstone we were in for under Ross? Can't remember his name. Was delighted when we didn't sign him.

Jamie McCart I think

[eastmainsmsh]

Jamie McCart I think

Hardly played at Rotherham

[loanheadhibby]

[QUOTE=h1bs4life;7196374]

He’s not spot on at all. Hanlon and Stevenson have had excellent careers at Hibs with more good games than bad, If you think otherwise you are simply wrong.

Excellent is over egging it.
Decent at best.

[Allant1981]

[QUOTE=Brightside;7197532]

Excellent is over egging it.
Decent at best.

Would say better than decent, Stevenson has won 2 cups, a league title(regardless if we wanted to be in the 1st division or not) and been capped by his country. Hanlon has captained the club he supports numerous times, again won the league, capped by his country and won the Scottish cup, would say that's better than decent

[Viva_Palmeiras]

[QUOTE=loanheadhibby;7197785]

Would say better than decent, Stevenson has won 2 cups, a league title(regardless if we wanted to be in the 1st division or not) and been capped by his country. Hanlon has captained the club he supports numerous times, again won the league, capped by his country and won the Scottish cup, would say that's better than decent

We all have different views and opinions but I really am bamboozled at times when folks water-down the achievements of our cup-winning heroes as an example. Although I did predict that it would not take long for some to claim “they’re still dining out on that day in May”. But maybe I’m “accepting mediocrity”. But what exactly constitutes a brilliant Hibs career? These guys won more silverware than Sauzee and Latapy. So what lens are folks viewing things through?

[JimBHibees]

[QUOTE=loanheadhibby;7197785]

Would say better than decent, Stevenson has won 2 cups, a league title(regardless if we wanted to be in the 1st division or not) and been capped by his country. Hanlon has captained the club he supports numerous times, again won the league, capped by his country and won the Scottish cup, would say that's better than decent

Yep you have to wonder how our 1980 stalwarts would have been described in the social media era. Paul Hanlon is nothing other than an excellent professional who has served the club brilliantly over a great number of years and deserves a heck of a lot more respect than this thread gives him. Sad to see.

[Since452]

[QUOTE=loanheadhibby;7197785]

Would say better than decent, Stevenson has won 2 cups, a league title(regardless if we wanted to be in the 1st division or not) and been capped by his country. Hanlon has captained the club he supports numerous times, again won the league, capped by his country and won the Scottish cup, would say that's better than decent

Appreciate what you're saying but he was also a mainstay of a Hibs team that spent three seasons playing league games against Cowdenbeath and Dumbarton. Not being promoted was a bigger failure than winning that division was a success.

[Allant1981]

[QUOTE=Allant1981;7197822]

Appreciate what you're saying but he was also a mainstay of a Hibs team that spent three seasons playing league games against Cowdenbeath and Dumbarton. Not being promoted was a bigger failure than winning that division was a success.

So that means he has not had a good career at hibs?

[IFONLY]

[QUOTE=Allant1981;7197822]

Yep you have to wonder how our 1980 stalwarts would have been described in the social media era. Paul Hanlon is nothing other than an excellent professional who has served the club brilliantly over a great number of years and deserves a heck of a lot more respect than this thread gives him. Sad to see.


This !!!!!

[raeburnhibs]

Hanlon and Stevenson have both been excellent long term players for Hibs and their collective achievements at Hibs trump the vast majority of ex-Hibs players, full stop. The clock keeps ticking though and there is sense in refreshing any team on a regular basis; it is mismanagement of our limited resources to still not have real serious competition for Hanlon. Where is the fabled spine through the team at Hibs?

[BSEJVT]

Wasn't having a go at his charity work at all. Which is of course commendable. Read the post, the charity work is relevant if it is having an impact on the pitch.

And what precise evidence is there of this?

If you think that either Paul or Lewis are playing/involved and their Foundation is a contributory reason then I feel sorry for you.

Conspiracy theory gone mad from someone who clearly has zero idea how professional sports work.

There is some utter crap posted on football forums but that takes some beating.

[Since452]

[QUOTE=Since452;7198121]

So that means he has not had a good career at hibs?

Over the course? Mediocre i'd say. A few highs and a few lows. You see how quickly good players at Hibs are signed by other teams. Hanlon and Stevenson never have been.

[superfurryhibby]

[QUOTE=Allant1981;7197822]

Appreciate what you're saying but he was also a mainstay of a Hibs team that spent three seasons playing league games against Cowdenbeath and Dumbarton. Not being promoted was a bigger failure than winning that division was a success.

Ultimately we were in a league that included Hearts, Rangers and then Rangers again (both with significantly larger budgets than Hibs). Yes, the team failed to gain promotion, but the winning of the Scottish Cup was a bigger success than gaining promotion to the top flight. No one waxes lyrical about the promotion achievements of the sides from of 1981 or 1998 , but Hibs fans will speak forever about 21/5/16.

[BSEJVT]

[QUOTE=Brightside;7197532]

Excellent is over egging it.
Decent at best.

FFS

Both have won cups

Both are full Scottish Internationalists

Both are really high up the all time appearance lists for Hibs

What else are they expected to have done?

Are their best days behind them, sadly yes, but its either churlish or stupid or both to deny their achievements

Would love to hear what you think they need to have done to have excellent Hibs Careers and whilst your are it, name me 5 players in the last 40 years who would meet your accolade of excellent

Utter Nonsense

[Steven79]

[QUOTE=loanheadhibby;7197785]

Would say better than decent, Stevenson has won 2 cups, a league title(regardless if we wanted to be in the 1st division or not) and been capped by his country. Hanlon has captained the club he supports numerous times, again won the league, capped by his country and won the Scottish cup, would say that's better than decent

Stevie May has won two Scottish Cups and a League Cup at St Johnstone but I wouldn't have him anywhere near the Hibs team...

[Allant1981]

[QUOTE=Allant1981;7197822]

Stevie May has won two Scottish Cups and a League Cup at St Johnstone but I wouldn't have him anywhere near the Hibs team...

Sorry but that has hee haw to do with hanlon or Stevenson having a good career at hibs

[superfurryhibby]

[QUOTE=Allant1981;7197822]

Stevie May has won two Scottish Cups and a League Cup at St Johnstone but I wouldn't have him anywhere near the Hibs team...

Right now? I'd take May over all our central strikers, bar Nisbet (given that MYko is a loanee and likely to leave)

[Hiber-nation]

Will someone sort the messed up quotes please!!!!

[MWHIBBIES]

If Lewis has only had a decent Hibs career, what do folk think of less successful Hibs players, such as Pat Stanton?

[PHeffernan]

[QUOTE=Allant1981;7198122]

Over the course? Mediocre i'd say. A few highs and a few lows. You see how quickly good players at Hibs are signed by other teams. Hanlon and Stevenson never have been.

Stevenson and Hanlon are and have been Hibs standard players.
Hence neither has moved to a higher level or a lower level during their career.
They have both retained that playing level through hard work and a professional approach.
As such they have been contracted and been consistently played by every Hibs manager.

Stevenson is now 35, the back up left back/midfielder and his contract ends in the summer.
Hanlon is only 32, is still first choice and has 18 months left on his contract.
Despite the noise he is still consistently playing at Hibs level and I am pretty certain will remain first choice until the end of his contract.

David Gray despite his new contract and standing at the club could no longer play at Hibs level so was left on the bench for two years before becoming a coach.

Porteous has the natural ability of a higher level player and for that reason is about to move to a higher llevel.
Sam Stanton had the ability of a level below Hibs so had to move to a lower level.

It's all very simple.

[MWHIBBIES]

David Gray knew when it was time to retire.

Unfortunately Hanlon appears not to, & is now a liability in our defence and is also blocking the opportunity for the likes of Fish & some of talented youngsters from our development squad.

Compare this to 18 year old Leon King at Rangers who has already made 16 league appearances out of a total of 30 first team outings.

There seems to be an irrational fear at Easter Road to blood youngsters and instead persevere with over the hill players like Hanlon or dodgy overseas unknown imports like Cabraja & Youhan etc.

Gray retired because he was made of wheatabix. Hanlon isn't. He's had some very good games this season. He's blocking **** all. It's Hibs job to replace him, not his own.

[Smartie]

If any of the current Hibs youth squad fancy stepping up to the first team and making anything like the contribution that Hanlon and Stevenson have made to our club then that would be very welcome and timely indeed.

Hundreds and hundreds of games with very few poor ones between them and this is the sort of thanks they get?

[MWHIBBIES]

If any of the current Hibs youth squad fancy stepping up to the first team and making anything like the contribution that Hanlon and Stevenson have made to our club then that would be very welcome and timely indeed.

Hundreds and hundreds of games with very few poor ones between them and this is the sort of thanks they get?

Yep. Hibernian legends who work like **** every day for the betterment of Hibs.

[Newhaven]

Yep. Hibernian legends who work like **** every day for the betterment of Hibs.

And look at the state of us…

[MWHIBBIES]

And look at the state of us…

Yeah, that will be Paul and Lewis' fault, not the idiots running the club...

[PHeffernan]

If any of the current Hibs youth squad fancy stepping up to the first team and making anything like the contribution that Hanlon and Stevenson have made to our club then that would be very welcome and timely indeed.

Hundreds and hundreds of games with very few poor ones between them and this is the sort of thanks they get?

Campbell is shaping up to being the next Hibs level stalwart.
No doubt he can look forward to abuse once Hanlon and Stevenson move on from the "no good enough for Hibs" brigade.

[wookie70]

Campbell is shaping up to being the next Hibs level stalwart.
No doubt he can look forward to abuse once Hanlon and Stevenson move on from the "no good enough for Hibs" brigade.

Campbell will head down south I think. So many attributes suited to the Championship. He just needs someone to take a chance on him.

The abuse Hanlon and Stevenson take is unbelievable imo. Not only cup winners but Hanlon's equaliser at Tiny is right up there with great Hibs moments and Lewis has that volley at Ibrox along with two medals and an unbelievable number of appearances, MOTM in cup final, outstanding performances at centre half, left back, left wing back, left midfield and centre mid, POTY etc. Neither are superstars but both make very good foundations to a team and, if what Lewis says applies to Paul, they are also very good value for the wage paid. It is hardly their fault for unsuccessful seasons given some of the dross that has played alongside them. If I remember correctly Hanlon being injured coincided with a crash in form and then being relegated.

[Donegal Hibby]

Paul Hanlon over 500 appearances , 26 goals , Scotland international , Scottish cup winner, Scottish league title winner. 🏆🏆. :not worth.

Louis Stevenson over 500 appearances, 9 goals , Scotland international , Scottish cup winner, Scottish league cup winner , Scottish league title winner .
🏆🏆🏆. :not worth .

Two outstanding players that have shown great loyalty and service to our football club over the years and are Absolute legends . Both I'd like to see stay another year which is entirely possible. Some on here try to make out there career's are just ok or decent which is well of the real truth of the matter ! A lot of players will never win cups or be capped by there country and both have and are having amazing careers. This thing that comes up time and time again about them that they never left Hibs because they weren't good enough or nobody wanted them is nonsense they could have easily run down there contract's over the years and moved away .Two quality players who have shown such loyalty and dedication all these years to our football club and should be praised and honoured by us fans . I doubt very much we will see such loyalty, commitment and dedication to our club again.

[Stuart93]

Paul Hanlon over 500 appearances , 26 goals , Scotland international , Scottish cup winner, Scottish league title winner. 🏆🏆. :not worth.

Louis Stevenson over 500 appearances, 9 goals , Scotland international , Scottish cup winner, Scottish league cup winner , Scottish league title winner .
🏆🏆🏆. :not worth .

Two outstanding players that have shown great loyalty and service to our football club over the years and are Absolute legends . Both I'd like to see stay another year which is entirely possible. Some on here try to make out there career's are just ok or decent which is well of the real truth of the matter ! A lot of players will never win cups or be capped by there country and both have and are having amazing careers. This thing that comes up time and time again about them that they never left Hibs because they weren't good enough or nobody wanted them is nonsense they could have easily run down there contract's over the years and moved away .Two quality players who have shown such loyalty and dedication all these years to our football club and should be praised and honoured by us fans . I doubt very much we will see such loyalty, commitment and dedication to our club again.

Absolutely agree with your sentiments. Two hibs legends.

I’m not sure I’d refer to both of them as “outstanding players” though tbh. Definitely outstanding servants to hibs nonetheless.

[Donegal Hibby]

Absolutely agree with your sentiments. Two hibs legends.

I’m not sure I’d refer to both of them as “outstanding players” though tbh. Definitely outstanding servants to hibs nonetheless.
When I say outstanding players maybe not for being the most talented or skillful but definitely outstanding for effort and commitment on the pitch , I've rarely seen Stevenson let us down if at all , Hanlon's equaliser against hearts in the year we went on to win the cup sums his commitment and passion for the club and will forever be remembered by me . I'd love to see both stay next year maybe as two players we can take off the bench , there experience I see as invaluable .

[Stuart93]

When I say outstanding players maybe not for being the most talented or skillful but definitely outstanding for effort and commitment on the pitch , I've rarely seen Stevenson let us down if at all , Hanlon's equaliser against hearts in the year we went on to win the cup sums his commitment and passion for the club and will forever be remembered by me . I'd love to see both stay next year maybe as two players we can take off the bench , there experience I see as invaluable .

Effort and commitment definitely can’t be questioned. Doubtful we’ll see that kind of commitment again/in the near future

[Lancs Harp]

When I say outstanding players maybe not for being the most talented or skillful but definitely outstanding for effort and commitment on the pitch , I've rarely seen Stevenson let us down if at all , Hanlon's equaliser against hearts in the year we went on to win the cup sums his commitment and passion for the club and will forever be remembered by me . I'd love to see both stay next year maybe as two players we can take off the bench , there experience I see as invaluable .

His equaliser v Hearts in 2016 will always be my overriding thought about Paul Hanlon.

Hes spent now though at the level we should be aiming for as is Lewis. There time has been and gone.

[Donegal Hibby]

His equaliser v Hearts in 2016 will always be my overriding thought about Paul Hanlon.

Hes spent now though at the level we should be aiming for as is Lewis. There time has been and gone.
As first team players yes I agree but I think as two substitutes they are really good to have ( two very experienced players) and having them as subs will save us a few quid to strengthen on our first team!

[paddy1875]

[QUOTE=h1bs4life;7196374]

He’s not spot on at all. Hanlon and Stevenson have had excellent careers at Hibs with more good games than bad, If you think otherwise you are simply wrong.

When I say more bad than good I’m not referring to games played im talking to seasons as a whole.

Listen I know they’re legends and are very nice people away from football. But over the seasons he’s played there is a couple of good seasons with a lot of mediocre ones.


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[loanheadhibby]

If Lewis has only had a decent Hibs career, what do folk think of less successful Hibs players, such as Pat Stanton?

Lewis a great lad but very average player.
Stanton the best player I've seen in a Hibs jersey although never saw the famous five.
I'm sure MW you would be embarrassing Lewis if he read your thread.

[bigwheel]

Lewis a great lad but very average player.
Stanton the best player I've seen in a Hibs jersey although never saw the famous five.
I'm sure MW you would be embarrassing Lewis if he read your thread.

I’m not getting into comparing Lewis and Stanton ..but I’d rather have a Lewis at the club than many many of the more talented players that haven’t been as dedicated , professional and team oriented for us as Lewis is ..and absolute wonderful addition to Hibs history ..and so delighted that I got to see his journey at our club . A real credit to him and Hibs

[MWHIBBIES]

Lewis a great lad but very average player.
Stanton the best player I've seen in a Hibs jersey although never saw the famous five.
I'm sure MW you would be embarrassing Lewis if he read your thread.
Nothing to be embarrassed about. Lewis is our most successful player since the 50s. That's a fact.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Nothing to be embarrassed about. Lewis is our most successful player since the 50s. That's a fact.

something it would appear that some find challenging to get their head around.
he’s getting better and the podcast with his mate is probably him at his most relaxed he’s easily embarrassed so I don’t hi I that indicates much.

[Bridge hibs]

Lewis a great lad but very average player.
Stanton the best player I've seen in a Hibs jersey although never saw the famous five.
I'm sure MW you would be embarrassing Lewis if he read your thread.Im sure Lewis would appreciate the praise from MW and other posters on here rather than some of the names thrown at some of his team mates on here by so called ‘fans’ such as wage thief, imposter, rat etc

Not too difficult to recognise Stevensons achievements for hibs and offer a wee bit praise eh ?

[Since452]

Nothing to be embarrassed about. Lewis is our most successful player since the 50s. That's a fact.

He is yes but Chris Dagnall has as many winners medals as Jimmy O'Rourke. The fact you mentioned is due to our woeful trophy hall over the years. Stevenson wouldn't make it in my top 10 Hibs players list. Nowhere near it. Maybe not even top 20. Mediocre player.

[NC1875]

Funny how so many people are blinkered by 2016 and class Hanlon as outstanding 😂 he couldn’t be any further from outstanding if he tried. An average player on a good day, let’s not talk about the bad ones, and there have been loads.

A consistent part of a Hibs team who over the course of his career have been bad more than they’ve been good. It’s never Paul Hanlons fault though.

[Carheenlea]

Some of our fans really hate Hibs.

[Smartie]

When Hibs last had a properly good side (2nd half of the first season back up) both Hanlon and Stevenson were mainstays of the side.

Huge features of that side were Hanlon’s ability to bring the ball out from the back and Stevenson’s energy at WB.

A strong argument could be made that they were as good as the likes of McGinn and McGeouch in that team.

Yes, they’ve played in some poor sides before and since but they have both had a decent ceiling of performance over the years and their poorer games haven’t been huge in number.

[MWHIBBIES]

When Hibs last had a properly good side (2nd half of the first season back up) both Hanlon and Stevenson were mainstays of the side.

Huge features of that side were Hanlon’s ability to bring the ball out from the back and Stevenson’s energy at WB.

A strong argument could be made that they were as good as the likes of McGinn and McGeouch in that team.

Yes, they’ve played in some poor sides before and since but they have both had a decent ceiling of performance over the years and their poorer games haven’t been huge in number.

Great post.

[BoomtownHibees]

A strong argument could be made that they were as good as the likes of McGinn and McGeouch in that team

Saying stuff like this is just as bad as the folk at the other end of the scale who say they are hopeless etc when the truth is somewhere in between.

Have they been good enough for us over the years? Of course they have
Have they been successful? In terms of winning trophies, yes
Have they been part of some awful teams? Yes, quite a few
Has their time come to an end at Hibs? I would say so

But to compare them as good as a couple of the best midfielders I’ve seen at Hibs is madness. Yes they played their part in that team but let’s at least be realistic about how good they actually were

[flash]

When Hibs last had a properly good side (2nd half of the first season back up) both Hanlon and Stevenson were mainstays of the side.

Huge features of that side were Hanlon’s ability to bring the ball out from the back and Stevenson’s energy at WB.

A strong argument could be made that they were as good as the likes of McGinn and McGeouch in that team.

Yes, they’ve played in some poor sides before and since but they have both had a decent ceiling of performance over the years and their poorer games haven’t been huge in number.
"A strong argument" doing some seriously heavy lifting there.

[MWHIBBIES]

Saying stuff like this is just as bad as the folk at the other end of the scale who say they are hopeless etc when the truth is somewhere in between.

Have they been good enough for us over the years? Of course they have
Have they been successful? In terms of winning trophies, yes
Have they been part of some awful teams? Yes, quite a few
Has their time come to an end at Hibs? I would say so

But to compare them as good as a couple of the best midfielders I’ve seen at Hibs is madness. Yes they played their part in that team but let’s at least be realistic about how good they actually were

They were absolutely essential, though.


Watch Hanlon's part in Allan's goal Vs hearts, or Lewis part in McLaren's Vs Celtic. 2 brilliant players for us.

[BSEJVT]

Saying stuff like this is just as bad as the folk at the other end of the scale who say they are hopeless etc when the truth is somewhere in between.

Have they been good enough for us over the years? Of course they have
Have they been successful? In terms of winning trophies, yes
Have they been part of some awful teams? Yes, quite a few
Has their time come to an end at Hibs? I would say so

But to compare them as good as a couple of the best midfielders I’ve seen at Hibs is madness. Yes they played their part in that team but let’s at least be realistic about how good they actually were

Not sure that defenders ever the credit that midfielders/forwards do.

When they do their jobs well, it is all that is expected of them and little praise is given.

When they do them badly they are completely hung out to dry.

I wouldn't disagree that their best days are behind them and I doubt they would either but tbh I find it pretty laughable that some folks with keyboards reckon they know football better than countless Premier League managers and some International ones too.

Sadly folk make up their minds pretty early over things, listen to folk who say a lot and know nothing or jump on bandwagons and all the reasoning in the world won't change their narrative.

No doubt when the day comes that they both leave Hibs the usual thnk you threads will be infested with folk who just couldnt wait for another opportunity to put the boot in.

[BoomtownHibees]

They were absolutely essential, though.


Watch Hanlon's part in Allan's goal Vs hearts, or Lewis part in McLaren's Vs Celtic. 2 brilliant players for us.

They definitely had good seasons, don’t think anybody could deny that. As good as JM and DM? Not for me.

I do get the argument about trying to judge players in different positions however I look at it and think we would probably have still had as good a season with an alternative centre half and alternative left back.

Would we have had as good a time of it without those 2 in midfield? Highly doubtful

[MWHIBBIES]

They definitely had good seasons, don’t think anybody could deny that. As good as JM and DM? Not for me.

I do get the argument about trying to judge players in different positions however I look at it and think we would probably have still had as good a season with an alternative centre half and alternative left back.

Would we have had as good a time of it without those 2 in midfield? Highly doubtful

Yes, we would have had as good a season with alternative players of the same quality in any position really. If we got a ****tier left back and centre back? Obviously not.

[Smartie]

Saying stuff like this is just as bad as the folk at the other end of the scale who say they are hopeless etc when the truth is somewhere in between.

Have they been good enough for us over the years? Of course they have
Have they been successful? In terms of winning trophies, yes
Have they been part of some awful teams? Yes, quite a few
Has their time come to an end at Hibs? I would say so

But to compare them as good as a couple of the best midfielders I’ve seen at Hibs is madness. Yes they played their part in that team but let’s at least be realistic about how good they actually were


"A strong argument" doing some seriously heavy lifting there.

I'm not saying they're as good as McGinn.

The point I was making was that when we had a very good side, they fitted in. They didn't stand out as "not being good enough". I remember that on a game by game basis during the second half of that season Lewis was a good shout for motm every week. Ridiculously consistent football at a high level at that time.


The likes of McGinn are more likely to be able to drag a poor or struggling side through a game, but that is why he's captaining a Premier League side and a permanent feature in the national side.

I'm sure McGinn, Allan and McGeouch would speak very highly of Stevenson and Hanlon and be fully appreciative of the roles they played in that team.

[CL0762]

Paul and Lewis have never been consistently outstanding players.

They’ve both contributed to some excellent times and they’ve both also been a party to absolutely honking times.

What you can’t argue with is that between them, over 1000 combined appearances they have never failed to give anything less than 100%. Aye they might’ve lost the ball too easily, made a mistake, mistimed a header or a tackle but it’s to be commended that they have lasted as long as they have especially when they’ve been described as ***** countless times over the years.

We’ll never see the likes of them again staying their entire careers at the club (certainly at their peak anhway), we’ve seen 2 at the same time.

Also, all this talk about Hanlon being soft, weak etc - surely if that’s the case he would’ve been easy to move on over the years? The talk about ‘there’s no left centre backs’ is laughable. You don’t need to be left footed to play left centre back.

[tonyrougier123]

Paul Hanlon is the least of our worries in the team.
It’s the soulless dross that we’ve brought in to the club recently that is the real issue.

Paul when on form in a good hibs team is an asset as is Stevenson.

[BoomtownHibees]

Yes, we would have had as good a season with alternative players of the same quality in any position really. If we got a ****tier left back and centre back? Obviously not.

No, I think we could have seen those players replaced with others in the squad and still had a really good season.

If we had lost JM and DM at any point and had to rely on others at the club to replace them then we wouldn’t have been anywhere near as good.

All in my opinion, this isn’t an argument you must win

[Smartie]

Paul Hanlon is the least of our worries in the team.
It’s the soulless dross that we’ve brought in to the club recently that is the real issue.

Paul when on form in a good hibs team is an asset as is Stevenson.

I'm probably giving the recruitment team a benefit of the doubt they don't deserve when I say that it's not easy to bring in quality.

Even when we were doing well in that department under Stubbs / Craig / Mathie / Dempster / whoever, we were signing poor players who needed moved on quickly along with the excellent ones (this isn't a criticism, it's a statement of fact, it's always the same with every club that there will be successful arrivals and unsuccessful ones).

These 2 players are going to take a bit of replacing. Fair play to Josh Doig for coming through and being the first player to wrestle the jersey off Lewis, he's seen off so many challengers that it was going to take someone special to eventually do it. Eventually I'd expect Cabraja to do likewise but as things stand I'm not enturely convinced he's a better shout than Lewis in that position.

With CB, we managed to find Fontaine. McGregor and Ambrose were both superb signings and I thought Jackson was starting to get going when he left, but we've had quite a lot of centre backs arrive over the years and leave without making much of an impression, even some fairly highly rated ones. It's going to take a good player to finally edge Hanlon out of this team.

[Brightside]

I'm probably giving the recruitment team a benefit of the doubt they don't deserve when I say that it's not easy to bring in quality.

Even when we were doing well in that department under Stubbs / Craig / Mathie / Dempster / whoever, we were signing poor players who needed moved on quickly along with the excellent ones (this isn't a criticism, it's a statement of fact, it's always the same with every club that there will be successful arrivals and unsuccessful ones).

These 2 players are going to take a bit of replacing. Fair play to Josh Doig for coming through and being the first player to wrestle the jersey off Lewis, he's seen off so many challengers that it was going to take someone special to eventually do it. Eventually I'd expect Cabraja to do likewise but as things stand I'm not enturely convinced he's a better shout than Lewis in that position.

With CB, we managed to find Fontaine. McGregor and Ambrose were both superb signings and I thought Jackson was starting to get going when he left, but we've had quite a lot of centre backs arrive over the years and leave without making much of an impression, even some fairly highly rated ones. It's going to take a good player to finally edge Hanlon out of this team.


We don't even appear to have a young LCB in the ranks. As far as I can see they are all right footers. That is pretty poor planning and other reason Paul has had to play through injuries over the years.

[RIP]

Some of our fans really hate Hibs.

They're not actually Hibs Supporters though, are they?

They merely post on Hibs.Net, that's not the same thing.

I'm not aware of any requirement to prove yourself as a Hibs supporter prior to obtaining a UserName. Happy to stand corrected if that is the case.

I found myself in a High Street pub with a bunch of Jambos fifteen years back and four of five boasted about having undercover accounts on here. They prided themselves on doing a hatchet job on Rob Jones IIRC.

Admins used to have a job on their hands responding to 'ltyf' claims by fellow supporters once it became obvious the posts were only ever dragging the club down.

[MWHIBBIES]

No, I think we could have seen those players replaced with others in the squad and still had a really good season.

If we had lost JM and DM at any point and had to rely on others at the club to replace them then we wouldn’t have been anywhere near as good.

All in my opinion, this isn’t an argument you must win

Can I not give my opinion without your stupid jibes about it? I'm posting no differently from you.

They may have been easier to replace, but we've not replaced them anymore than we've replaced mcginn or McGeouch, so perhaps not.

[Key West]

In my humble opinion Hanlon and Stevenson have served the club well and are probably more reflective of the Hibs standard over the years than the likes of John McGinn, there lies the problem and why supporters have such mixed opinions about individual players,when I was growing up I thought Turnbull's team was the norm, 50 years later that was far from the truth, most of the teams and players have been average to mediocre, it's not easy supporting Hibs they should be better than they have, individually and collectively. We carry on regardless.

[J-C]

Yes they are, no they're not and repeat. Hanlon and Stevenson are two good decent solid pros who've served the club extremely well, they may be the last of their kind to play their whole career at the one club.

[loanheadhibby]

They were absolutely essential, though.


Watch Hanlon's part in Allan's goal Vs hearts, or Lewis part in McLaren's Vs Celtic. 2 brilliant players for us.

You make good points but to describe Paul and Lewis as brilliant players for us is plainly ridiculous.

[BSEJVT]

You make good points but to describe Paul and Lewis as brilliant players for us is plainly ridiculous.

It is not.

Not necessarily because they are brilliant players but one man's brilliant is another's *****.

Who gets to decide whose hyberbole is correct?

[MWHIBBIES]

You make good points but to describe Paul and Lewis as brilliant players for us is plainly ridiculous.

It's not, no. Both excellent for years.

[Prof. Shaggy]

Some of our fans really hate Hibs.

Hanlon's razor:
Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by stupidity.

[Smartie]

Hanlon's razor:
Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by stupidity.

:top marks

[h1bs4life]

They're not actually Hibs Supporters though, are they?

They merely post on Hibs.Net, that's not the same thing.

I'm not aware of any requirement to prove yourself as a Hibs supporter prior to obtaining a UserName. Happy to stand corrected if that is the case.

I found myself in a High Street pub with a bunch of Jambos fifteen years back and four of five boasted about having undercover accounts on here. They prided themselves on doing a hatchet job on Rob Jones IIRC.

Admins used to have a job on their hands responding to 'ltyf' claims by fellow supporters once it became obvious the posts were only ever dragging the club down.


The usual nonsense starts to appear as soon as anyone dares criticise Hanlon and Stevenson.
I would say there are some on here who are more Hanlon and Stevenson supporters than they are Hibs supporters, dread to think what they would be like if both left.
Comparing them to McGinn , mentioning Stanton deary me wouldn't know where to start with that, one thing other clubs were interested in McGinn and Stanton offering transfer fee for them which shows they were rated by people outside the club.
People quoting they made a great pass in 2017 or were part of a good team in 2017 , this is almost 2023 neither should be anywhere near the 1st team ,they should have been thanked for there service and moved on.
Lots of people put sentiment before the good of the club.
Both are cup winning legends , Stevenson twice which nobody can take away from them but they have been involved is some major low points in the clubs recent history since they became part of the 1st team.

[Stuart93]

They're not actually Hibs Supporters though, are they?

They merely post on Hibs.Net, that's not the same thing.

I'm not aware of any requirement to prove yourself as a Hibs supporter prior to obtaining a UserName. Happy to stand corrected if that is the case.

I found myself in a High Street pub with a bunch of Jambos fifteen years back and four of five boasted about having undercover accounts on here. They prided themselves on doing a hatchet job on Rob Jones IIRC.

Admins used to have a job on their hands responding to 'ltyf' claims by fellow supporters once it became obvious the posts were only ever dragging the club down.

Jesus christ

[bigwheel]

Jesus christ

Saves…but Keegan nets the rebound…..


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[Newhaven]

The usual nonsense starts to appear as soon as anyone dares criticise Hanlon and Stevenson.
I would say there are some on here who are more Hanlon and Stevenson supporters than they are Hibs supporters, dread to think what they would be like if both left.
Comparing them to McGinn , mentioning Stanton deary me wouldn't know where to start with that, one thing other clubs were interested in McGinn and Stanton offering transfer fee for them which shows they were rated by people outside the club.
People quoting they made a great pass in 2017 or were part of a good team in 2017 , this is almost 2023 neither should be anywhere near the 1st team ,they should have been thanked for there service and moved on.
Lots of people put sentiment before the good of the club.
Both are cup winning legends , Stevenson twice which nobody can take away from them but they have been involved is some major low points in the clubs recent history since they became part of the 1st team.

Excellent post and points raised.

As a fan base we’re too willing to accept poor performances from both as they’ve been here a long time and helped win a cup almost 7 years ago so that’s ok!?!

They’re by no means the only ones to blame for where we’re at currently but both should have been moved on years ago and wages freed up

[cameronw-hfc]

Excellent post and points raised.

As a fan base we’re too willing to accept poor performances from both as they’ve been here a long time and helped win a cup almost 7 years ago so that’s ok!?!

They’re by no means the only ones to blame for where we’re at currently but both should have been moved on years ago and wages freed up


If we moved them on and we're still crap, there would be people saying there's not enough "Hibs" people at the club anymore. Both shouldn't be starters, but are perfectly capable squad players. Like Daz towards the end, they should be phased out of starting weekly and put on their coaching badges. Getting rid of two club legends and two guys who most likely plan on ending their career at Hibs is a bad look, especially when they've got tons to offer behind the scenes.

Just look at how much Doig credits Stevenson for his development. Called him the perfect mentor, no reason they couldn't still be mentors for the young lads whilst not having the pressure of starting weekly anymore when they're clearly not up to it.

[ekhibee]

I'm not trying to say they should be first choices, but who do we replace them with? We have a whole lot of average players in all positions, do we have guys to replace them that can really make a difference?

[B.H.F.C]

I'm not trying to say they should be first choices, but who do we replace them with? We have a whole lot of average players in all positions, do we have guys to replace them that can really make a difference?

No but we need to find them. Stevenson, IMO, shouldn’t have a contract beyond this year. If he moves to another role in the club then fair enough. If there isn’t one there for him, then he needs to be released.

We’re still going to see a fair bit of Hanlon for the remainder of this season. We’ll likely lose Porteous and sign a centre half in January but I can’t see us signing two. With him being contracted he’ll still be part of the squad next season but we absolutely can’t go in to it with him as a starting centre half.

[Donegal Hibby]

Stevenson could easily do a good job for us next year and it would be a mistake not to offer him a new one year contract imo . Stevenson and Hanlon aren't the problem , the problem is we haven't anyone better for the first team than them . Keeping the two of them as two experienced substitutes will allow us to use our budget on the first team and hopefully get better quality players in . Stevenson would be a fantastic substitute to bring on in the last 20 or 30 minutes ( experienced player who gives 100% and rarely lets you down, total no brainer for me ) .

[Brooster]

Stevenson could easily do a good job for us next year and it would be a mistake not to offer him a new one year contract imo . Stevenson and Hanlon aren't the problem , the problem is we haven't anyone better for the first team than them . Keeping the two of them as two experienced substitutes will allow us to use our budget on the first team and hopefully get better quality players in . Stevenson would be a fantastic substitute to bring on in the last 20 or 30 minutes ( experienced player who gives 100% and rarely lets you down, total no brainer for me ) .

This is exactly why we are going nowhere fast. It's time for Lewis and Paul to move on.

[BSEJVT]

This is exactly why we are going nowhere fast. It's time for Lewis and Paul to move on.

It could very well be, but isn't a bigger problem the fact that we are incapable of signing anyone to render them useless to us?

I don't think many folk have a problem with them moving on, I think the issue is the dross we sign window after window and not just in their positions.

If we either sign or develop 2 players for these positions the manager of the day thinks are better than Lewis & Paul then the problem goes away by itself.

[Donegal Hibby]

This is exactly why we are going nowhere fast. It's time for Lewis and Paul to move on.
I disagree there , Hanlon I feel shouldn't be playing as much as he is but that's basically because we haven't signed anyone better . And is still a good player to have at 32 , Stevenson at 34 still looks good as well and as I said rarely lets us down and can play a couple of positions also with a fairly young squad there experience is so valuable too have winning trophies and playing over 500 games each. Keep them as squad players and focus on taking in better for the first team is what I'd do .

[MWHIBBIES]

Someone will need to point out where anyone said they'll accept poor performances because it's Paul and Lewis. No one has said that. Total nonsense.

People questioning their contribution are being called out. 2 Hibs legends. Not decent servants. Legends.

[J-C]

If we moved them on and we're still crap, there would be people saying there's not enough "Hibs" people at the club anymore. Both shouldn't be starters, but are perfectly capable squad players. Like Daz towards the end, they should be phased out of starting weekly and put on their coaching badges. Getting rid of two club legends and two guys who most likely plan on ending their career at Hibs is a bad look, especially when they've got tons to offer behind the scenes.

Just look at how much Doig credits Stevenson for his development. Called him the perfect mentor, no reason they couldn't still be mentors for the young lads whilst not having the pressure of starting weekly anymore when they're clearly not up to it.

Excellent post. Lewis spoke last season that he knew his career was coming to an end and he was enjoying guiding Doig and Mackie as they took over. He's been doing his badges and like Daz will move into a coaching role, we already have a few ex Hibs players doing this already.

[ozhibs]

Hanlon and Stevenson are both legends for the club. They have given brilliant service to Hibs. They are probably past their best but but until we get better replacements in then no way should they be let go. Look at Cabraja, first few games I thought he was the find of the season, but even he has fell away lately.

It would be nice to see them given jobs coaching the the youngsters but we can only afford so many back ground staff.

GGTTH

[Pretty Boy]

They're not actually Hibs Supporters though, are they?

They merely post on Hibs.Net, that's not the same thing.

I'm not aware of any requirement to prove yourself as a Hibs supporter prior to obtaining a UserName. Happy to stand corrected if that is the case.

I found myself in a High Street pub with a bunch of Jambos fifteen years back and four of five boasted about having undercover accounts on here. They prided themselves on doing a hatchet job on Rob Jones IIRC.

Admins used to have a job on their hands responding to 'ltyf' claims by fellow supporters once it became obvious the posts were only ever dragging the club down.

Do you really think the admins on here just allow every single person who tries to register to do so? Do you then think if we notice a suspicious posting pattern or one is pointed out to us that there isn't action taken?

This kind of unmitigated nonsense comes from both sides. On one side you have those who will tell you the admins are in the clubs pocket, deliberately sanitising the site of criticism, banning anyone who is ever negative and deliberately trying to portray a falsely positive picture of the supports viewpoint. On the other you get this crap where there is apparently a group of Hibs fans who give up their time to run a forum and then allow it to be taken over by Hearts fans or others with an agenda to drag the club down.

If we have suddenly transported back to about 2004 then I'll offer my apologies. Back then it was a bit of fun among a niche group to try and get on another teams forum and go undetected. There are so many spheres to air an opinion now, the vast majority that have nothing like the robust challenging responses of the forum platform, that it just isn't worth the hassle. Add to that you really can't influence the viewpoint of a support through the forum. We have 4 figures in terms of members and high hundreds in terms of active members, with a support base in the tens of thousands it's really not going to have a huge reach when it comes to 'dragging the club down'.

[Brightside]

Someone will need to point out where anyone said they'll accept poor performances because it's Paul and Lewis. No one has said that. Total nonsense.

People questioning their contribution are being called out. 2 Hibs legends. Not decent servants. Legends.

No one ever says it. But the usual suspects spout the usual pish. Both get more criticism than the majority of the team. Also when they have good games it’s ignored by “those people” and as soon as they have a poor game their post count goes up by about 30 a day. Obsessive behaviour. The posters that go out of their way to slag off Hibs and the hibs players could really do with getting a hobby they enjoy. (Prob pulling legs off flies)

I’m really not enjoying Hibs at the moment but I’ll still be at the game and every player will get my full support.

[KeithTheHibby]

This is exactly why we are going nowhere fast. It's time for Lewis and Paul to move on.

I’d be giving Stevenson another year. He’s not a regular starter, won’t be on huge cash and great experience. Hanlon on the other hand is simply not good enough to start every week.

[Paulie Walnuts]

It could very well be, but isn't a bigger problem the fact that we are incapable of signing anyone to render them useless to us?

I don't think many folk have a problem with them moving on, I think the issue is the dross we sign window after window and not just in their positions.

If we either sign or develop 2 players for these positions the manager of the day thinks are better than Lewis & Paul then the problem goes away by itself.

:agree:

Hanlon and Stevenson imo aren’t good enough to be starting games for us.

The real problem as you say though comes from the fact that we can’t make signings good enough to keep them out the team.

[Trinity Hibee]

No one ever says it. But the usual suspects spout the usual pish. Both get more criticism than the majority of the team. Also when they have good games it’s ignored by “those people” and as soon as they have a poor game their post count goes up by about 30 a day. Obsessive behaviour. The posters that go out of their way to slag off Hibs and the hibs players could really do with getting a hobby they enjoy. (Prob pulling legs off flies)

I’m really not enjoying Hibs at the moment but I’ll still be at the game and every player will get my full support.

Jesus, that’s some take.

[supermcginn]

No one ever says it. But the usual suspects spout the usual pish. Both get more criticism than the majority of the team. Also when they have good games it’s ignored by “those people” and as soon as they have a poor game their post count goes up by about 30 a day. Obsessive behaviour. The posters that go out of their way to slag off Hibs and the hibs players could really do with getting a hobby they enjoy. (Prob pulling legs off flies)

I’m really not enjoying Hibs at the moment but I’ll still be at the game and every player will get my full support.

Quite funny you all of all people has mentioned "obsessive behaviour" in a thread about Paul Hanlon.

[Brightside]

Quite funny you all of all people has mentioned "obsessive behaviour" in a thread about Paul Hanlon.

Supporting is different to obsessive. Anti - Support is just odd. I’ll have plenty healthy debate about any players but constantly just saying a player is “weak as pish” for example brings nothing to the table. He had a poor game v Rangers. He’s had much more good games than poor in his career.

[Trinity Hibee]

Supporting is different to obsessive. Anti - Support is just odd. I’ll have plenty healthy debate about any players but constantly just saying a player is “weak as pish” for example brings nothing to the table. He had a poor game v Rangers. He’s had much more good games than poor in his career.

Whilst I agree with the last bit, the poorer games are becoming more frequent now which is the problem. He’s been a better than good, solid servant for 10-15 years but the time has come to change it. Agree, that is up to the club to find someone capable of coming in and taking his place. It seems all of our issues keeping coming back round to recruitment. Who’d have thunk it.

[Brightside]

Whilst I agree with the last bit, the poorer games are becoming more frequent now which is the problem. He’s been a better than good, solid servant for 10-15 years but the time has come to change it. Agree, that is up to the club to find someone capable of coming in and taking his place. It seems all of our issues keeping coming back round to recruitment. Who’d have thunk it.

Indeed. We don't even have a sub for Paul Hanlon. What happened to the 2 players for every position? Now we have about 20 centre mids and 1 LCB.

[Johnny_Leith]

Yes they are, no they're not and repeat. Hanlon and Stevenson are two good decent solid pros who've served the club extremely well, they may be the last of their kind to play their whole career at the one club.

Hanlon has played for st Johnstone.

[Donegal Hibby]

I’d be giving Stevenson another year. He’s not a regular starter, won’t be on huge cash and great experience. Hanlon on the other hand is simply not good enough to start every week.
I see the two of them as very valuable squad players as I said you can take on in the last 20 ,30 Minutes of a game , it's always good to have a couple of experienced players in your squad to give the younger ones some help and advice and both Hanlon and Stevenson are perfect in that regard .

[J-C]

Hanlon has played for st Johnstone.

On loan, doesn't really count as he was still contracted to Hibs, they don't cancel contracts when on loan.

[Johnny_Leith]

On loan, doesn't really count as he was still contracted to Hibs, they don't cancel contracts when on loan.

How can he be consider a 'one club' player when he's literally played for another club?

[marinello59]

How can he be consider a 'one club' player when he's literally played for another club?

He is the very definition of a one club player, a couple of loan appearances during his development period doesn’t change that.

[Baader]

How can he be consider a 'one club' player when he's literally played for another club?

You can't count a few games on loan! Hanlon has only ever been on the books of one club. He's only ever had a professional contract with us.

[Johnny_Leith]

He is the very definition of a one club player, a couple of loan appearances during his development period doesn’t change that.

Stevenson is the very definition of a one club player.

Paul has played professional football for another club. Ergo, he has been registered on the books of another club for a period of time via a loan contract, in the eyes of the footballing authorities he was a st Johnstone player during that period. The SFA and FIFA would not consider him a one club player.

It in no way demeans the contribution and sacrifice that Paul's made to Hibernian, but he has played for another team.

[Johnny_Leith]

You can't count a few games on loan! Hanlon has only ever been on the books of one club. He's only ever had a professional contract with us.

Why not? He signed a professional contract with st Johnstone at one point for a loan deal.

Did Phil Airey or Darnell Johnston not represent Hibernian? Is Ryan Schofield not currently a Hibernian player despite not making any appearances?

[Brightside]

Why not? He signed a professional contract with st Johnstone at one point for a loan deal.

Did Phil Airey or Darnell Johnston not represent Hibernian? Is Ryan Schofield not currently a Hibernian player despite not making any appearances?

Even during a loan deal his player’s registration is still owned by his parent club.

[Johnny_Leith]

Even during a loan deal his player’s registration is still owned by his parent club.

When PH went to SJFC Hibs and Saints would have had to sign out a player transfer form and submit to the SFA. This temporary transfer form registered Paul to st Johnstone for the period of time agreed.

You have to be registered at a club with the SFA in order to play for them. There's no way Paul would have had appearances at saints without being registered to them.

He would have a contract in place at Hibs throughout but his player registration was temporarily out on loan.

[Sioux]

PH did not sign a professional contract with St Johnstone. He was always under contract with Hibs, and Hibs pay his wages. If St J contribute to his wages as a 'loan fee', that's a contract between St J and Hibs, not the player.

What does change is the SFA registration process, where he is able to temporarily change his registration for a specified loan period, so long as all parties are signatory to the temporary registration process. Throughout the process, he remains subject to his Hibs contract.

To use the argument that PH was not a one club man in circumstances, is quite simply laughable. A professional football contract with Hibs is the only contract he has signed, whilst that contract was periodically extended.

[KWJ]

Paul made a couple of big, costly mistakes in the Rangers game. I find it hard to blame him for the 2nd as I'm not sure what he could've done. A bit of perspective though, it was Rangers away.

I do agree that he's not been great this season and I am surprised he's remained in the team while on the losing run. Folk seem to think that the only option though is to "get rid" rather than just have him on the bench or in the stands for a while waiting for another opportunity for when he is needed. Hopefully that's a case of resting a Bushiri, Fish, youngster or new player that has earned their spot and been a step up.

It's not as bad on this forum as it is on Twitter/Facebook and it's a fair point that he's given some more leeway than others down to his experience and success with the club, but he's earnt that right.

So aye, he's maybe not the future and his current spot in the team is rightly under question but it's no quite an Old Yeller situation.

And the early comments on this thread about the HS Foundation :bitchy:

[Brightside]

When PH went to SJFC Hibs and Saints would have had to sign out a player transfer form and submit to the SFA. This temporary transfer form registered Paul to st Johnstone for the period of time agreed.

You have to be registered at a club with the SFA in order to play for them. There's no way Paul would have had appearances at saints without being registered to them.

He would have a contract in place at Hibs throughout but his player registration was temporarily out on loan.

No he has a loan registered with the SFA. His player registration remains with the parent club. There is a loan form that gets filled out to cover the parent club allowing him to play for another club for that period. All clubs do this even at youth level.

[Johnny_Leith]

PH did not sign a professional contract with St Johnstone. He was always under contract with Hibs, and Hibs pay his wages. If St J contribute to his wages as a 'loan fee', that's a contract between St J and Hibs, not the player.

What does change is the SFA registration process, where he is able to temporarily change his registration for a specified loan period, so long as all parties are signatory to the temporary registration process. Throughout the process, he remains subject to his Hibs contract.

To use the argument that PH was not a one club man in circumstances, is quite simply laughable. A professional football contract with Hibs is the only contract he has signed, whilst that contract was periodically extended.


He's played professional association league and cup football for another professional club.

[Johnny_Leith]

No he has a loan registered with the SFA. His player registration remains with the parent club. There is a loan form that gets filled out to cover the parent club allowing him to play for another club for that period. All clubs do this even at youth level.

Yes he had a loan registration completed and ratified which allowed him to play professional football for another club.

[CapitalGreen]

Weird hill to die on.

[Johnny_Leith]

Weird hill to die on.

Cool bro, nice contribution to the conversation.

[Brightside]

Yes he had a loan registration completed and ratified which allowed him to play professional football for another club.

You win. 😂

[Norrieg]

Paul made a couple of big, costly mistakes in the Rangers game. I find it hard to blame him for the 2nd as I'm not sure what he could've done. A bit of perspective though, it was Rangers away.

I do agree that he's not been great this season and I am surprised he's remained in the team while on the losing run. Folk seem to think that the only option though is to "get rid" rather than just have him on the bench or in the stands for a while waiting for another opportunity for when he is needed. Hopefully that's a case of resting a Bushiri, Fish, youngster or new player that has earned their spot and been a step up.

It's not as bad on this forum as it is on Twitter/Facebook and it's a fair point that he's given some more leeway than others down to his experience and success with the club, but he's earnt that right.

So aye, he's maybe not the future and his current spot in the team is rightly under question but it's no quite an Old Yeller situation.

And the early comments on this thread about the HS Foundation :bitchy:

OLD YELLER ??? I notice you're only 37 years young. Where did you pull that one from ? Were you made to watch Disney films when growing up ?:hi:

[Key West]

I wish I could have played football like Paul Hanlon made as many appearances for Hibs and won the Scottish Cup, taking flak on hibs.net would be the least of my worries.

[Jones28]

Cool bro, nice contribution to the conversation.

It’s a pathetic conversation in the first place.

[Johnny_Leith]

It’s a pathetic conversation in the first place.

Do you see clarification of the 'one club player' status as disrespectful to Hanlon or something?

I don't, I've already said in a previous post whether he played a few games for Saints takes nothing away from his career and achievements here. Just pointing out that why I don't think 'one club player' status applies to him.

[BSEJVT]

Do you see clarification of the 'one club player' status as disrespectful to Hanlon or something?

I don't, I've already said in a previous post whether he played a few games for Saints takes nothing away from his career and achievements here. Just pointing out that why I don't think 'one club player' status applies to him.

I think my response would be who ****ing cares?

I have seen some pish debated on Hibs Net but this is way up there.

The Football part of the club has been in disarray for at least 2 seasons and folk want to bang on about something as trivial as this?

Honestly, we will next be debating the merits of the natterjack toad and its impact or lack thereof on the career of Ivan Sproule.

There's some good Christmas films on if you are this bored.

[Blaster]

Hanlon is a one permanent club man.

Discussion over?

[OldEast]

I think my response would be who ****ing cares?

I have seen some pish debated on Hibs Net but this is way up there.

The Football part of the club has been in disarray for at least 2 seasons and folk want to bang on about something as trivial as this?

Honestly, we will next be debating the merits of the natterjack toad and its impact or lack thereof on the career of Ivan Sproule.

There's some good Christmas films on if you are this bored.

Superb 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[Hibbyradge]

Why not? He signed a professional contract with st Johnstone at one point for a loan deal.

Did Phil Airey or Darnell Johnston not represent Hibernian? Is Ryan Schofield not currently a Hibernian player despite not making any appearances?

He wouldn't have signed a contract with St Johnstone. Hibs gave them a loan of our player and they would have been recompensed for it, not Hanlon.

[KWJ]

OLD YELLER ??? I notice you're only 37 years young. Where did you pull that one from ? Were you made to watch Disney films when growing up ?:hi:

:greengrin

I did probably hear about it through Friends.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osRX86BYsVg&t=1s&ab_channel=goodshxtlollipop

[MWHIBBIES]

Paul isn't a one club man. Doesn't make him any less of a legend, but he clearly played for 2 clubs.

[Billy Whizz]

Paul isn't a one club man. Doesn't make him any less of a legend, but he clearly played for 2 clubs.

Deary me, he’s only ever been signed by one club.

[ancient hibee]

Yes he had a loan registration completed and ratified which allowed him to play professional football for another club.

Is it pedantic to say it allowed him to play football not professional football ? St J. Weren’t paying him.

[MWHIBBIES]

Deary me, he’s only ever been signed by one club.

So had Lewis baker until the summer. Chelsea loaned him out 8 times though.

You can say it however you like. Paul Hanlon has played for 2 clubs.

[Jones28]

Do you see clarification of the 'one club player' status as disrespectful to Hanlon or something?

I don't, I've already said in a previous post whether he played a few games for Saints takes nothing away from his career and achievements here. Just pointing out that why I don't think 'one club player' status applies to him.

It’s literally the worst argument I’ve ever seen on Hibs.net.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Hanlon is a one permanent club man.

Discussion over?


should be :agree:

[Viva_Palmeiras]

https://youtu.be/lfrvOEnoaCM ;)


https://youtu.be/lfrvOEnoaCM

[Crunchie]

When PH went to SJFC Hibs and Saints would have had to sign out a player transfer form and submit to the SFA. This temporary transfer form registered Paul to st Johnstone for the period of time agreed.

You have to be registered at a club with the SFA in order to play for them. There's no way Paul would have had appearances at saints without being registered to them.

He would have a contract in place at Hibs throughout but his player registration was temporarily out on loan.
On his Wikipedia page he's played for 2 clubs, you win :agree:

[OldEast]

It’s literally the worst argument I’ve ever seen on Hibs.net.

Yep, come on folks, who cares.

[Brightside]

Both Hanlon and Stevenson were excellent today.

[hibee_girl]

Both Hanlon and Stevenson were excellent today.

:agree:

You could see the difference when they went off

[loanheadhibby]

Both Hanlon and Stevenson were excellent today.

Great win today and both had good games.
Celtic and Hearts will be sterner tasks.
Hope we are saying both were excellent after Tynecastle.

[LewysGot2]

Both Hanlon and Stevenson were excellent today.

Absolutely. Cabraja is not as good as Lewy defensively but he's also not significantly better in attack. Lewy has to start. He's the James Milner of Scottish football

[Hibees1973]

Great win today and both had good games.
Celtic and Hearts will be sterner tasks.
Hope we are saying both were excellent after Tynecastle.

Yes, the next 2 games will test the abilities of these veterans.

They are both in the twilight of their Hibs careers and I don't expect them to be playing for us next season.