Hanlon

[GreenGray]

That’s the issue with Hanlon he can play well like today but he’s so inconsistent and can have shockers like the Rangers game. Story of his career tbh


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[Brightside]

That’s the issue with Hanlon he can play well like today but he’s so inconsistent and can have shockers like the Rangers game. Story of his career tbh


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How about well done Paul and Lewis. 😂

[BSEJVT]

That’s the issue with Hanlon he can play well like today but he’s so inconsistent and can have shockers like the Rangers game. Story of his career tbh


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Can you imagine the mental fortitude and sheer desire it takes for these guys to turn out week after week after what seems like a lifetime of criticism for their performances?

Not least when maybe at times they haven't been in great form, are playing through injury to help the club or the team is struggling.

I'd hazard a guess that each of them cares a helluva lot more about Hibs than virtually every poster who posts decrying their efforts and they have certainly given more for the cause.

Well done to both.

[RIP]

Can you imagine the mental fortitude and sheer desire it takes for these guys to turn out week after week after what seems like a lifetime of criticism for their performances?

I've had a season ticket nearly every season since they became first team regulars.

Apart from the odd radge, I've never heard any audible criticism at the games. Nor has either had their performance singled out on Sportscene.

I'm sure that some of the drama queens who permeate threads such as these may be upset but I'll bet neither Paul nor Lewis waste any of their family time reading the sheite on here. Its just aimless waffle most of it.

[Northernhibee]

Both Hanlon and Stevenson were excellent today.
Stevenson is still our best LB IMO.

[wookie70]

Absolutely. Cabraja is not as good as Lewy defensively but he's also not significantly better in attack. Lewy has to start. He's the James Milner of Scottish football Lewis also works miles harder than Cabraja. He was up and down teh park so many times today. Cabraja was clumsy in possession the second he came on, hardly got forward and a horrendous bit of play dribbling into his own box and giving away a pen. No idea how he has started so often as Lewis is a good bit better and you also get the drive and attitude from him that can make other players up their workrate.

[hibee_girl]

Stevenson is still our best LB IMO.

:agree:

He linked well with Youan today too.

[superfurryhibby]

Lewis also works miles harder than Cabraja. He was up and down teh park so many times today. Cabraja was clumsy in possession the second he came on, hardly got forward and a horrendous bit of play dribbling into his own box and giving away a pen. No idea how he has started so often as Lewis is a good bit better and you also get the drive and attitude from him that can make other players up their workrate.

Yep, Stevenson worked his socks off. He keeps the jersey

[tamig]

Yes, the next 2 games will test the abilities of these veterans.

They are both in the twilight of their Hibs careers and I don't expect them to be playing for us next season.

Is that a grudging complimentary statement about two guys who looked far from finished today 🙄

[loanheadhibby]

How about well done Paul and Lewis. 😂

Yes well done to both.
You did notice Livvi went down to ten men after 20 mins.

[B.H.F.C]

I actually thought Hanlon had a shaky start, particularly with the one that he let go over his head. Little to do after the sending off.

Thought Stevenson was decent and supported Youan well. A lot of unselfish running which gave Youan more time on the ball.

[overdrive]

I actually thought Hanlon had a shaky start, particularly with the one that he let go over his head. Little to do after the sending off.

Thought Stevenson was decent and supported Youan well. A lot of unselfish running which gave Youan more time on the ball.
Agree with this. I would have had Hanlon as our lowest scoring player today mainly for that shaky start. I’d still start Fish over him. Or drop him and move Porteous back assuming he’s still here.

[Brightside]

Amazing. But not unexpected. 😂😂😂. Interceptions in the doubles. But pick out one that went over his head. This place. Desperate

[B.H.F.C]

Amazing. But not unexpected. 😂😂😂. Interceptions in the doubles. But pick out one that went over his head. This place. Desperate

Desperate for what?

[Brightside]

Desperate for what?

To find an issue with a player. Lowest scoring player? 😂. It’s like some have given up watching.

[B.H.F.C]

To find an issue with a player. Lowest scoring player? 😂. It’s like some have given up watching.

Or some just say what they see which, evidently, is deferent to what you see.

Don’t think it’s being overly controversial to say that we looked shaky defensively in the first 10/15 minutes.

[PHeffernan]

Yes, the next 2 games will test the abilities of these veterans.

They are both in the twilight of their Hibs careers and I don't expect them to be playing for us next season.

Hanlon is only 32
Hardly the twilight of a centre halves career.
You will be watching him play every week he is available next season.
Enjoy.

[scoopyboy]

Or some just say what they see which, evidently, is deferent to what you see.

Don’t think it’s being overly controversial to say that we looked shaky defensively in the first 10/15 minutes.

Really? I didn't think we looked shaky at any point.

Too many posters on here make strong cases and when things go against their grain on match day they grovel to try and get some justification for their earlier comments.

[B.H.F.C]

Really? I didn't think we looked shaky at any point.

Too many posters on here make strong cases and when things go against their grain on match day they grovel to try and get some justification for their earlier comments.

We started on the front foot and were really good with the ball. But prior to the sending off there were a couple of scrambles, Rocky letting one bounce, Hanlon letting one over his head, and Newell letting the boy walk past him for the shot that went just past the post. From 15 minutes onwards we were in total contro though. Not trying to get any justification for anything, it was just how I saw it.

[greenlex]

Hanlons had sone poor games but one stray pass aside today wasn’t one of them.

[PHeffernan]

Agree with this. I would have had Hanlon as our lowest scoring player today mainly for that shaky start. I’d still start Fish over him. Or drop him and move Porteous back assuming he’s still here.

You would play a player with the following record instead of Hanlon
Are you for real?



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[Northernhibee]

You would play a player with the following record instead of Hanlon
Are you for real?



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It's a baffling argument to start Fish over Hanlon, Hanlon knows the league inside out and although he was poor in the second half against Rangers, so were most of the team.

Will Fish struggled to get game time for a non league side on his last loan and I'm still none the wiser as to why we've signed him on loan.

[Brightside]

We started on the front foot and were really good with the ball. But prior to the sending off there were a couple of scrambles, Rocky letting one bounce, Hanlon letting one over his head, and Newell letting the boy walk past him for the shot that went just past the post. From 15 minutes onwards we were in total contro though. Not trying to get any justification for anything, it was just how I saw it.

So one error from each player. Jesus H.

[B.H.F.C]

So one error from each player. Jesus H.

No really sure what Jesus has to do with it. All I said is that I thought we had a shaky start defensively, qualified it, and that’s all there is to it really. I also said we were in total control thereafter.

[Brightside]

No really sure what Jesus has to do with it. All I said is that I thought we had a shaky start defensively, qualified it, and that’s all there is to it really. I also said we were in total control thereafter.

It’s Xmas Jesus likes to get involved. He was almost error free. I could pick players that weren’t. But that’s not what Jesus wants.

[PHeffernan]

It's a baffling argument to start Fish over Hanlon, Hanlon knows the league inside out and although he was poor in the second half against Rangers, so were most of the team.

Will Fish struggled to get game time for a non league side on his last loan and I'm still none the wiser as to why we've signed him on loan.

I didn't think Hanlon was poor against Rangers.
A £7 million player with great feet beat him in the box from a pass into feet from a player under no pressure.

As for Fish. I suppose he is there in case of emergencies.
He's well integrated into the squad now and knows what is expected of him after being part of the first team squad all season but there is no getting away from the fact he has played less than a game worth of minutes of league football.
Obviously if Porteous goes in the next month Fish will be next in line behind Bushiri and Hanlon.

[loanheadhibby]

I didn't think Hanlon was poor against Rangers.
A £7 million player with great feet beat him in the box from a pass into feet from a player under no pressure.

As for Fish. I suppose he is there in case of emergencies.
He's well integrated into the squad now and knows what is expected of him after being part of the first team squad all season but there is no getting away from the fact he has played less than a game worth of minutes of league football.
Obviously if Porteous goes in the next month Fish will be next in line behind Bushiri and Hanlon.

You have to be kidding.
I'm not saying he was the only one but Paul himself would admit he had a shocker at Ibrox.
Far too soft and easily bullied.

[supermcginn]

I didn't think Hanlon was poor against Rangers.
A £7 million player with great feet beat him in the box from a pass into feet from a player under no pressure.

As for Fish. I suppose he is there in case of emergencies.
He's well integrated into the squad now and knows what is expected of him after being part of the first team squad all season but there is no getting away from the fact he has played less than a game worth of minutes of league football.
Obviously if Porteous goes in the next month Fish will be next in line behind Bushiri and Hanlon.

What about the other 2 goals he cost us?

[overdrive]

You would play a player with the following record instead of Hanlon
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Yes. Fish hasn’t put a foot wrong from the time I’ve seen of him on the pitch this season (however short). Hanlon has done plenty wrong!

I also don’t think the Man Utd stat is in any way relevant. He wouldn’t be on loan at hibs if he was a serious goer at Old Trafford :faf:. Also comparing a young guy to someone in his 30s isn’t fair. Alvarez isn’t a patch on Stevie Fletcher going by that logic

[Donegal Hibby]

Great win today and both had good games.
Celtic and Hearts will be sterner tasks.
Hope we are saying both were excellent after Tynecastle.
Why you say Tiny and not Easter road ? Celtic not our next game ?

[Colr]

:agree:

He linked well with Youan today too.

Yup

[PHeffernan]

What about the other 2 goals he cost us?

The 1st Rangers goal.
Hibs lose possession of the ball on the half way line. Hibs players retreat as a Rangers player hits a high through ball towards the forward run of Morelos. Hanlon sees this and manages to intercept the ball by heading it away as he is running backwards. Hibs are 4 against 4.

Tillman gets to the ball ahead of Cabraja and passes it inside to Kent who is just outside the semi circle at the edge of the box.
At this point we are now 5 against Rangers 4 with our back 4 lined textbook across the 18 yard line with Porteous now next to Kent.
Kent passes to Sakala who is to his left just outside the box. Sakala receives the ball and moves forward 2 yards with it into the box and is faced by his marker Cadden who is between him and the goal.

At this point all of Hibs back four are still in the correct positions to defend. Cadden is just outside the line of the near post, Bushiri is just nearside of the centre point of the posts, Hanlon is just inside the line of the back post and Cabraja is just outside the line of the back post.
Caddens position forces Sakala to move the ball a yard to his left to create space to shoot. Cadden tries to close him down and block the shot.
Bushiri is now covering between Cadden and the goal but the hard perfect strike across the goal from Sakala goes under the legs of Cadden and Bushiri and wide of Marshall entering the far side netting of the goal.

To say Hanlon cost us that goal is a hell of a stretch. Had he known what would happen he could have headed the ball out for a throw.
You could make a case for Cadden not being quick enough to close Sakala down.
Losing the ball unexpectedly in midfield was the beginning of the move and Sakala cleverly making space for a high quality hard and accurate finish was the end of it. A lot happened in between.
A classic case of lazy scapegoating by supporters to blame Hanlon.

Rangers 2nd Goal (I'll make this one short)
At the corner Cadden is marking Tillman who gets the run and jump on him and he heads the ball towards goal where Jack bundles it over the line from a foot out.
No chance of Hanlon stopping it without coming through the back of him.
Tillman is good in the air so should have had a better marker than Cadden.
Again a classic case of lazy scapegoating by supporters to blame Hanlon.

[PHeffernan]

Yes. Fish hasn’t put a foot wrong from the time I’ve seen of him on the pitch this season (however short). Hanlon has done plenty wrong!

I also don’t think the Man Utd stat is in any way relevant. He wouldn’t be on loan at hibs if he was a serious goer at Old Trafford :faf:. Also comparing a young guy to someone in his 30s isn’t fair. Alvarez isn’t a patch on Stevie Fletcher going by that logic

Fish has played 53 minutes of competitive senior football. 29 of them were today under zero pressure against 10 men.
Hanlon is a 32 year old centre half who has been an almost ever present under every Hibs manager for the last 13 years and is likely to remain so for the next 18 months.
As the saying goes familiarity breeds contempt and as such he is often scapegoated by supporters when things go wrong.
To pick Fish ahead of Hanlon this season is for the birds.

[Greenworld]

I'm quite sure the manager realises major work is required players wise in defence .
Hanlon ,Lewis and Porteous are all coming to there end for various reasons .
Rocky has proved a lot of his doubters wrong and looks steady .
Where do we find 2 very good backs given the managers preference for 3 at the back .
My opinion on Hanlon if he plays he needs to play Central of the back three he does not have the pace to play the left and that's why he gets caught out .

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[Trinity Hibee]

The 1st Rangers goal.
Hibs lose possession of the ball on the half way line. Hibs players retreat as a Rangers player hits a high through ball towards the forward run of Morelos. Hanlon sees this and manages to intercept the ball by heading it away as he is running backwards. Hibs are 4 against 4.

Tillman gets to the ball ahead of Cabraja and passes it inside to Kent who is just outside the semi circle at the edge of the box.
At this point we are now 5 against Rangers 4 with our back 4 lined textbook across the 18 yard line with Porteous now next to Kent.
Kent passes to Sakala who is to his left just outside the box. Sakala receives the ball and moves forward 2 yards with it into the box and is faced by his marker Cadden who is between him and the goal.

At this point all of Hibs back four are still in the correct positions to defend. Cadden is just outside the line of the near post, Bushiri is just nearside of the centre point of the posts, Hanlon is just inside the line of the back post and Cabraja is just outside the line of the back post.
Caddens position forces Sakala to move the ball a yard to his left to create space to shoot. Cadden tries to close him down and block the shot.
Bushiri is now covering between Cadden and the goal but the hard perfect strike across the goal from Sakala goes under the legs of Cadden and Bushiri and wide of Marshall entering the far side netting of the goal.

To say Hanlon cost us that goal is a hell of a stretch. Had he known what would happen he could have headed the ball out for a throw.
You could make a case for Cadden not being quick enough to close Sakala down.
Losing the ball unexpectedly in midfield was the beginning of the move and Sakala cleverly making space for a high quality hard and accurate finish was the end of it. A lot happened in between.
A classic case of lazy scapegoating by supporters to blame Hanlon.

Rangers 2nd Goal (I'll make this one short)
At the corner Cadden is marking Tillman who gets the run and jump on him and he heads the ball towards goal where Jack bundles it over the line from a foot out.
No chance of Hanlon stopping it without coming through the back of him.
Tillman is good in the air so should have had a better marker than Cadden.
Again a classic case of lazy scapegoating by supporters to blame Hanlon.



Your interpretation. Not that of many others.

I’m not going to give my reasoning as many others have already explained his involvement in the goals throughout this thread. He wasn’t the only one who had a poor game but you cannot deny he had a bit of a shocker.

[J-C]

I'm quite sure the manager realises major work is required players wise in defence .
Hanlon ,Lewis and Porteous are all coming to there end for various reasons .
Rocky has proved a lot of his doubters wrong and looks steady .
Where do we find 2 very good backs given the managers preference for 3 at the back .
My opinion on Hanlon if he plays he needs to play Central of the back three he does not have the pace to play the left and that's why he gets caught out .

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Does he have a preference for a back 3, he started off playing 433 his so called preferred shape, I think circumstances have made him go to a back 3, ļoss of form and Boyles injury.

[BoomtownHibees]

Does he have a preference for a back 3, he started off playing 433 his so called preferred shape, I think circumstances have made him go to a back 3, ļoss of form and Boyles injury.

We haven’t played a back 3 the last few games either