Manager needs to go

[dastardly8]

Inexcusable getting beat at home from dross like Ross county , no excuses , team just not good enough and Johnson has to go , no more chances

[SHODAN]

He'll be gone tomorrow.

[heretoday]

Inexcusable getting beat at home from dross like Ross county , no excuses , team just not good enough and Johnson has to go , no more chances

Yup. Offski.

[JamesHFC]

Agreed. Johnson out.

[Unseen work]

Not for me.

Need to get rid of some players and bring in quality.

Continuously changing managers will change nothing

[cameronw-hfc]

Deary me. I'm nowhere near that yet. Barring today, the games we've lost have been down to not putting chances in the back of the net.

Give him till the end of the season, I think well be fine.

[Heisenberg]

It solves nothing. We get some other mug in and he gets the same ***** squad with a few u23 January additions. It’s a complete mess. We need a competent individual to run the football side of the club, not some guy that’s best at getting sponsors signed up and the owners son.

[blackpoolhibs]

Maybe go for Roy Keane.

[Northernhibee]

Not for me.

Need to get rid of some players and bring in quality.

Continuously changing managers will change nothing
Not for me either. Recruitment is beyond abysmal.

Ian Gordon and Ben Kensell, GTF.

[loanheadhibby]

Hard to see how he can survive now. There is losing and there was that tonight. Appalling performance.

[Since452]

I don't think he should go but he has heaped pressure on himself tonight. I've been one of his biggest supporters on here but tonight he deserves every bit of criticism he gets. Pathetic performance.

[J-C]

It's all gone tits up since he got it horribly wrong against Celtic by trying to attack them instead of being pragmatic, since then his team shape and selections have been baffling except against St Mirren, tonight was as bad as anything we seen under Maloney or even during Ross's very poor run. Hate to say it but time to move him on, he's already given them bollockings and it's not worked, they're obviously not listening to him and his coaches and when a team does that it's the beginning of the end.

[Sgt. Hartman]

Sacking him would be the worst thing that we could do. Serious question for those wanting him out… who would want the job after the last few seasons?

This 3 CB’s and a holding midfielder at home against that gang is really worrying mind you.

[Del Boy]

I’m now in the manager out camp. Players we’ve signed are mostly crap, he’s spent a fair bit, we are no better. Got some fortunate points at start of the season to be honest. Last 6 games we’ve lost 5. Tonight was atrocious. Players don’t look like they care. Get rid.

[tonyrougier123]

Times up. No enthusiasm ,team has no enthusiasm,slow, ponderous and devoid of any tactical quality poor appointment!! playing poor teams and looking shockingly plain and easy to play against.

Same players already very ordinary expected to bail out bad signings for the 5th manager in a row.

Real debate and engagement with the support needed again before the season withers away in a tiny whimper.(if it hasn’t already)

[Unseen work]

Albeit the worrying thing is that in the last 6 games

1 win
5 defeats
15 conceded
6 scored

We have Kilmarnock on Saturday and then the break.
Once back from the break we have

Rangers (A)
Livingston (H)
Celtic (H)
Hearts (A)

There’s no guarantee we’re winning any of them.

Doesn’t take long for things to change in football but with our current run and upcoming games Johnson might start feeling pressure

[CMac1988]

Couldn't care less now tbh. Said it on the match thread but if he goes then the recruitment team including Ron's son and more can also go. Steve Kean is the obvious replacement short term and potentially more. That said I don't think anyone would manage with this squad hence others needing to take some responsibility also. ****ing pony throughout the club. Stadium looks alright mind...

[Nicho87]

Stubbs

[Trinity Hibee]

Albeit the worrying thing is that in the last 6 games

1 win
5 defeats
15 conceded
6 scored

We have Kilmarnock on Saturday and then the break.
Once back from the break we have

Rangers (A)
Livingston (H)
Celtic (H)
Hearts (A)

There’s no guarantee we’re winning any of them.

Doesn’t take long for things to change in football but with our current run and upcoming games Johnson might start feeling pressure

That is a seriously worrying run of games and we don’t seem to have the players to win games

[Pagan Hibernia]

Are we really talking about getting rid of managers every three months now?

[Greenio]

Im nowhere near saying we should twar it all up and start again.

I think LJ is a good enough manager to out a longer term plan in place and just work at it holistically.

But....

That was an absolutely dire performance from everyone on the pitch and the management team

I've no idea how to fix it but I'm hoping the people that get paid good money to know these things start showing their worth very soon

[Craig_in_Prague]

Are we really talking about getting rid of managers every three months now?

Losing 5 games from 6, then yes, why not.

No Hibs team should ever do so.

[Chorley Hibee]

I'm not his biggest fan, but surely folk can see by now that the problems at Hibs runner deeper than the manager?

Our recruitment is a disaster, and that's with us having spent more than ever as well.

A bloated squad with enough dross to fill two teams, let alone one, and players like Henderson on a 4 year deal!

Then we still have the likes of Stevenson, Hanlon, McGregor, Newell, Campbell etc, either playing or on the bench, and we wonder why we're still as ***** as ever!

As for Porteous, he can **** off tomorrow for all I care, his performances for 18 months now (bar a few the other month) have been a disgrace.

[high bee]

Bigger concern for me is the players are not good enough. Even more worrying is we’re paying big sums on speculative, unproven players like Melkerson etc.

Even if they come good in time it will be too late, we have a squad full of sub standard players and you can’t change that overnight.

[Unseen work]

That is a seriously worrying run of games and we don’t seem to have the players to win games

Agreed, also worrying to think we’re playing Killie on Saturday on that brutal pitch without Boyle.

We’re struggling to score and conceding soft goals.

Stinks of killie winning the game from a set piece

[Carheenlea]

One game left for him I guess. Anything other than a win at Kilmarnock then he’s a goner. Defeats in the manner like that tonight just can’t be accepted.

Bereft of ideas and charisma when the chips are down - from both player and management.

[Vault Boy]

Johnson out to avoid free fall.

Gordons out to salvage the club itself.

[one day maybe...]

Getting rid of is not the answer. We need to be looking at the players we are bringing in and identifying better. He's got one transfer window to save his job, or he'll be gone I'm afraid.
Sad seeing our team in this state of affairs. We are not a tinpot club and the loyal fans at least deserve commitment and passion from every player that pulls the green jersey on. I want to see players busting a gut to do everything they can to win for Hibs, not just go through the motions.

[BegbieHSC]

We should, but realistically we can’t.

Any manager worth their salt would come nowhere near us, given we’d be recruiting a new manager for the third time in a year, so we’ll have to make do in respect of Lee, and give time.

It’s Kensell, the board and recruitment team, getting it wrong constantly with players/managers who need booted out asap.

[ThisIsTheYear]

Way too soon for talk of him losing his job. He will be given games after the WC

[Stuart93]

Person I’d be getting rid of before any one is the ****ing owners laddie who’s in a position he’s nowhere qualified enough to be in.

Summer was another failure and it’s starting to show

[mcfly]

It’s not just the manager.

It’s head of recruitment and Kensell. He is totally invisible. Team is a joke.

It’s just not good enough. Fans are paying top price to watch this dross

If they don’t get a grip soon. Crowds will
Plummet and no half season tickets will be sold.

Only game to look forward to now is the u19 v dortmund. At least those lads try

[Sir David Gray]

I'm not his biggest fan, but surely folk can see by now that the problems at Hibs runner deeper than the manager?

Our recruitment is a disaster, and that's with us having spent more than ever as well.

A bloated squad with enough dross to fill two teams, let alone one, and players like Henderson on a 4 year deal!

Then we still have the likes of Stevenson, Hanlon, McGregor, Newell, Campbell etc, either playing or on the bench, and we wonder why we're still as ***** as ever!

As for Porteous, he can **** off tomorrow for all I care, his performances for 18 months now (bar a few the other month) have been a disgrace.

:agree: Pretty much agree with this word for word.

Johnson will go, probably quite soon, but until some fundamental things change it will achieve nothing.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

You do wonder if he's the reasons porteous isn't signing (not that he's had a great season so far)

[Www1875hfc]

Problems lies much higher up .

Get Gordon, his laddie and kensell out our club.

Until we appoint a sporting director working alongside a qualified head of recruitment this pish will continue
No manager could get a tune out o this lot.


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[LunasBoots]

Albeit the worrying thing is that in the last 6 games

1 win
5 defeats
15 conceded
6 scored

We have Kilmarnock on Saturday and then the break.
Once back from the break we have

Rangers (A)
Livingston (H)
Celtic (H)
Hearts (A)

There’s no guarantee we’re winning any of them.

Doesn’t take long for things to change in football but with our current run and upcoming games Johnson might start feeling pressure

Can't see us getting anything out of those games.

[Mcbizz1998]

Get him out. That was absolutely ****ing outrageous tonight.

When you really think about it this is where we are:

- humiliated at Celtic
- humiliated at Aberdeen
- lost to St j at home in front of a full house
- beaten by Ross County at home
- beaten by bottom of the league United
- put out the league cup group against lower league teams
- beaten by St mirren and Livi
- majority of wins against 10 men

He won’t go anytime soon but the writing is already on the wall. Won’t last. Thank **** I don’t have to watch that **** for 6 weeks or so.

[Saint Hibee]

I'm not his biggest fan, but surely folk can see by now that the problems at Hibs runner deeper than the manager?

Our recruitment is a disaster, and that's with us having spent more than ever as well.

A bloated squad with enough dross to fill two teams, let alone one, and players like Henderson on a 4 year deal!

Then we still have the likes of Stevenson, Hanlon, McGregor, Newell, Campbell etc, either playing or on the bench, and we wonder why we're still as ***** as ever!

As for Porteous, he can **** off tomorrow for all I care, his performances for 18 months now (bar a few the other month) have been a disgrace.

This. Not defending Johnson, but the problem won’t be solved by getting back on the managerial roundabout.

[Colr]

Maybe go for Roy Keane.

That Neil Lennon’s looking for work

[Hibs90]

He does need to go but all that does is paper over the glaring obvious crack at Easter Road a very poorly run football department and terrible recruitment.

Ron needs to admit it's not working, tear up the structure, get a DoF in, sack his son, sack Johnson and get rid of Kensell or sell the club to someone who knows how to run one.

[Chorley Hibee]

Albeit the worrying thing is that in the last 6 games

1 win
5 defeats
15 conceded
6 scored

We have Kilmarnock on Saturday and then the break.
Once back from the break we have

Rangers (A)
Livingston (H)
Celtic (H)
Hearts (A)

There’s no guarantee we’re winning any of them.

Doesn’t take long for things to change in football but with our current run and upcoming games Johnson might start feeling pressure

We'll be in a relegation battle by the end of that list.

[Unseen work]

You do wonder if he's the reasons porteous isn't signing (not that he's had a great season so far)

That would be an absolute cheek if Ryan uses him as a reason.

[sorrow sorrow]

That was a really worrying performance tonight,LJ got that lineup wrong.
Should never have played 3 cb’s against ross county.
If he has lost the fans after that shocker tonight there’s no way he survives,no manager does once the fans turn.
Hi record is pretty brutal when u look at it on paper

[Lancs Harp]

Goes beyond the Manager. The people that run the Club just simply dont seem to understand football or at least how it is this side of the pond. Im disappointed with LJ to date but he isnt the main problem.

[jeffers]

I’ll be honest, I never wanted him, but he’s doing little to change my mind. Recruitment has undoubtedly been pish but even with the players available we should have done much better than we did tonight.

[GreenGray]

It’s a perfect storm, ***** recruitment, ***** players, ***** tactics


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[chrisski33]

Albeit the worrying thing is that in the last 6 games

1 win
5 defeats
15 conceded
6 scored

We have Kilmarnock on Saturday and then the break.
Once back from the break we have

Rangers (A)
Livingston (H)
Celtic (H)
Hearts (A)

There’s no guarantee we’re winning any of them.

Doesn’t take long for things to change in football but with our current run and upcoming games Johnson might start feeling pressure

Only game i can see us getting points when we return after break is the rangers game.

[ddoc]

Albeit the worrying thing is that in the last 6 games

1 win
5 defeats
15 conceded
6 scored

We have Kilmarnock on Saturday and then the break.
Once back from the break we have

Rangers (A)
Livingston (H)
Celtic (H)
Hearts (A)

There’s no guarantee we’re winning any of them.

Doesn’t take long for things to change in football but with our current run and upcoming games Johnson might start feeling pressure


Based on our inability to score, or even create decent chances we will likely lose all 5 of our next games.
Watching what was on show tonight is just depressing. Have to hope that MB and KN back in the team after the WC gives us something up front that is currently lacking.
I am not sure what to say about the defense, they are just so easy to score against. The midfield just blows more cold than hot, consistently inconsistent is about the best I can say.

[Donegal Hibby]

Not for me either we can't keep sacking managers for Pete sake and the talk of Roy keane is utterly mental .Not just this thread but on others too. Another Thug like Jim Goodwin who's done basically sweet fa as a manager.

[Carheenlea]

If there was a poll on whether Lee Johnson should be sacked I would vote no, but if he was sacked tomorrow I wouldn’t be that bothered.

[tonyrougier123]

That run of games in December won’t see us climbing the table,killie a must win game.
If Johnson gets the win there buys himself a month,should be packing now as it’s inevitable come January imo.
Should be laying the plans for a replacement after Christmas.

[blackpoolhibs]

That Neil Lennon’s looking for work

Joking aside, it really makes no difference who the manager is in my opinion.

[chippy]

He has to win the Killie game to keep his job. If not I’d be prepared to take Malky Mackay. We need someone who knows the league and the types of player required.. can’t have someone coming in and learning about Scottish football as we plummet . Maybe get get us a decent midfielder or three

[tamig]

Maybe go for Roy Keane.

Why?

[Unseen work]

Meanwhile JDT is second in the champion with Blackburn 👀

Joke before anyone takes it serious, the recruitment is the issue not manager.

[Bostonhibby]

Losing interest rapidly but if I could press an ejector button it would be for the recruitment "team" concept, a constant through recent messes.

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[keep the faith]

Embarrassing thread.

[Unseen work]

The one thing I will say that slightly annoys me about Johnson is his continuous comments about % of possession we have in a game being too high for his preference.

I feel like the majority of people would know we routinely have high possession and other teams counter us and that’s how it always seems to go.

He needs to learn to adapt and set up for this, we rarely have opportunities to counter teams to we need to work on fast play in compact areas.

[JohnM1875]

Didn't want him at the time and made quite a wee fuss about it but absolutely don't think it's time to talk about sacking him. It was always going to take a few windows to sort the team out, not one. The worrying thing is it's still the same recruitment process for the next window coming up.

[silverhibee]

Not for me.

Need to get rid of some players and bring in quality.

Continuously changing managers will change nothing

One wee problem, someone at the club gives out contract extensions like confetti and we are stuck with these players as they won’t get better than Hibs.

Has LJ brought in one player from the summer that has been a standout, Marshall has been good and the best shout but he hasn’t been a standout for us.

[Unseen work]

He has to win the Killie game to keep his job. If not I’d be prepared to take Malky Mackay. We need someone who knows the league and the types of player required.. can’t have someone coming in and learning about Scottish football as we plummet . Maybe get get us a decent midfielder or three

Footballs a crazy game, this time last week they were bottom of the league and he’d have been facing pressure soon.

Then he gets back to back wins.

To be kept in mind with Johnson, he can turn it round

[#2 Double Tap]

That Neil Lennon’s looking for work

Right now Lennon would make a lot of us feel a dam bit better.

[silverhibee]

Maybe go for Roy Keane.

If he turns us down then it has to be Lennon.

[Craig_in_Prague]

Didn't want him at the time and made quite a wee fuss about it but absolutely don't think it's time to talk about sacking him. It was always going to take a few windows to sort the team out, not one. The worrying thing is it's still the same recruitment process for the next window coming up.

He neglected the midfield and I said in summer it would.be his downfall, nothing has changed my mind.

His fault as I see it.

5 defeats from 6, time to go.

[Donegal Hibby]

Roy Keane FFS . If you were wanting to make things worse you couldn't pick a finer candidate for the Job. :applause:

[B.H.F.C]

Deary me. I'm nowhere near that yet. Barring today, the games we've lost have been down to not putting chances in the back of the net.

Give him till the end of the season, I think well be fine.

Without calling for him to go, yet, that’s not the case.

Dundee Utd away probably was.

But St Mirren away was dreadful. Celtic away speaks for itself. St Johnstone and Aberdeen were total capitulations when something went against us.

Problems are a lot bigger than not taking chances. We haven’t really made many in the last couple.

[Northernhibee]

What irritates me is that Shankland was available and what with the group stage football Hearts may have been where he went to anyway, but we appeared to pass him by. Even someone like Nicky Clark (not exotic, but knows the league) was clearly available and he's scored a few big goals this season. A number of clubs have signed decent strikers who know the league and score goals, and we're left with McKirdy, Youan, Melkersen, and Boujang. Thank goodness we often have Boyle and that Myko has found the net, but he's a red card waiting to happen a lot of the time as well.

Similarly, we've got McGeady who's been injured since the group stages in the disasterous league cup campaign, and have Tavares at backup who despite looking enthusiastic, produces nothing.

Recruitment feels like emptying a big bucket of unknown players into the club and hoping that some of them are good enough. It doesn't work.

[silverhibee]

Are we really talking about getting rid of managers every three months now?

Why not, the owner has no problem with it.

[Ozyhibby]

He neglected the midfield and I said in summer it would.be his downfall, nothing has changed my mind.

His fault as I see it.

5 defeats from 6, time to go.

You weren’t the only one. Any team that can’t control midfield will struggle. Our midfield have been through a few managers now.


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[Mcbizz1998]

People using the “we can’t sack managers every few months” excuse makes no sense.

If we were bottom of the league nobody would say that, if the manager isn’t good enough it doesn’t matter how long he has been in charge.

[Mcbizz1998]

What irritates me is that Shankland was available and what with the group stage football Hearts may have been where he went to anyway, but we appeared to pass him by. Even someone like Nicky Clark (not exotic, but knows the league) was clearly available and he's scored a few big goals this season. A number of clubs have signed decent strikers who know the league and score goals, and we're left with McKirdy, Youan, Melkersen, and Boujang. Thank goodness we often have Boyle and that Myko has found the net, but he's a red card waiting to happen a lot of the time as well.

Similarly, we've got McGeady who's been injured since the group stages in the disasterous league cup campaign, and have Tavares at backup who despite looking enthusiastic, produces nothing.

Recruitment feels like emptying a big bucket of unknown players into the club and hoping that some of them are good enough. It doesn't work.

Shankland is rubbish! Hibs.net told me!

[B.H.F.C]

I’ll be honest, I never wanted him, but he’s doing little to change my mind. Recruitment has undoubtedly been pish but even with the players available we should have done much better than we did tonight.

I was the same. Then, even despite the League Cup debacle, he started to change my mind.

I think he’s made some really strange decisions in the last few weeks, did again tonight.

But then you look at what he’s working with. We’ve signed about 800 players in 2022 and you’re still bringing on Lewis Stevenson. There is so much crap in that squad and so many players that are giving us zero value for money. Until that whole strategy changes, it’ll be a continuous cycle.

[Ozyhibby]

People using the “we can’t sack managers every few months” excuse makes no sense.

If we were bottom of the league nobody would say that, if the manager isn’t good enough it doesn’t matter how long he has been in charge.

You know Johnson is in trouble when the only defence people are putting up for him is that we can’t keep sacking managers. Nobody actually believes he is about to turn it round.


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[Real Emerald]

It’s the constant tactic of trying at whatever opportunity to get the ball out wide to then try a cross into the box to no one that annoys me. We then bring on Jair and it’s the same story, over hit balls into the box to a very small lightweight player, trying a tactic which wouldn’t produce a goal if they played all night.

The whole shape, tactics and desire was missing tonight, it was a shambolic performance and he won’t get away with many more like that.

[Pretty Boy]

Is there enough pressure on the owner and golden bollocks yet?

When they need a diversion he'll be sacked, until then he's safe.

Johnson isn't blameless for this, far from it. Neither is he the man who is most to blame though. He's failing to make a silk purse and that's bad, the material he has been provided with is a sows ear though.

[GreenCastle]

6-1 loss to Celtic going on more
4-1 loss at Aberdeen
2-1 Loss after being up 1-0 up to St J home
Lost to bottom of the league Dundee United
Lost in league cup against part time teams Morton and Falkirk
Lost to St Mirren and Livingston
Wins mostly against 10 men.

The club have hired some crap managers recently
The manager is to blame
Recruitment has been a joke
X1 new midfielder signed
Full of young players who aren’t good enough
Full of injured players and players who have contributed nothing except picking up free money.
Not enough experience when things get tough.
No leadership - mainly due to young inexperienced players
8 out of 11 starters tonight played last season

I wasn’t convinced when he was hired and even was raging with the league cup mess but I was backing him a few weeks ago as felt we had turned a corner but after the recent horror show games I’m seriously fed up with the club already again - just feels the players have given up for him and they are going through motions - not like the players are that good.

I fear for the games ahead and more hammerings off better teams.

[Mcbizz1998]

You know Johnson is in trouble when the only defence people are putting up for him is that we can’t keep sacking managers. Nobody actually believes he is about to turn it round.


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Exactly mate. That’s all anyone can really say for him. As I said in another post, he won’t go now but the writing is already on the wall.

[Paulie Walnuts]

People using the “we can’t sack managers every few months” excuse makes no sense.

If we were bottom of the league nobody would say that, if the manager isn’t good enough it doesn’t matter how long he has been in charge.

It’s not solely the managers.

It wasn’t all Maloneys fault. The recruitment in January was an abomination.

It isn’t all LJs. The recruitment in the summer was an abomination.

There’s a common denominator at Hibs and they’re from over the pond.

[Unseen work]

What irritates me is that Shankland was available and what with the group stage football Hearts may have been where he went to anyway, but we appeared to pass him by. Even someone like Nicky Clark (not exotic, but knows the league) was clearly available and he's scored a few big goals this season. A number of clubs have signed decent strikers who know the league and score goals, and we're left with McKirdy, Youan, Melkersen, and Boujang. Thank goodness we often have Boyle and that Myko has found the net, but he's a red card waiting to happen a lot of the time as well.

Similarly, we've got McGeady who's been injured since the group stages in the disasterous league cup campaign, and have Tavares at backup who despite looking enthusiastic, produces nothing.

Recruitment feels like emptying a big bucket of unknown players into the club and hoping that some of them are good enough. It doesn't work.

I agree re Shankland and even Clark to an extent. You’d feel far more confident of them scoring than Melkersen and Youan. They can both finish but also link the play and so 1-2’s

Then there’s Snodgrass, Mackay, Kingsley, McGrath etc.

Unfortunately I think the board are in a tricky position at times with signings as folk would say it’s lazy and boring etc.

For years people have wanted us to explore the foreign markets

[Basildon Hibs]

He neglected the midfield and I said in summer it would.be his downfall, nothing has changed my mind.

His fault as I see it.

5 defeats from 6, time to go.

Yep. Midfield has been soft as ***** for years. The problem was glaringly obvious and never addressed. 🙄

[silverhibee]

I’ll be honest, I never wanted him, but he’s doing little to change my mind. Recruitment has undoubtedly been pish but even with the players available we should have done much better than we did tonight.

Sticking with Newell and Campbell in midfield says it all, he watched us last season, nothings changed, Hibs mean nothing to him it’s only a job and once sacked some other club will take a chance on him and he will say the club (Hibs) is run by a crazy owner who doesn’t give managers time.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

This. Not defending Johnson, but the problem won’t be solved by getting back on the managerial roundabout.

Unless we get lucky and appoint a good one

[eastmainsmsh]

Would Michael o Neill be decent if there was to be a change

[Donegal Hibby]

People using the “we can’t sack managers every few months” excuse makes no sense.

If we were bottom of the league nobody would say that, if the manager isn’t good enough it doesn’t matter how long he has been in charge.
We are not bottom of the league though and sacking a manager every few months will get us nowhere in fact we might even struggle to get one in if we go down this route .Not many managers after a few months are going to get everything right in a short period of time even sir Alex Ferguson was rumoured to be close to the sack his first year at Man u . I'm for giving LJ time though a lot won't but talk of Roy Keane becoming manager that really is hitting the destruction button .

[jeffers]

I was the same. Then, even despite the League Cup debacle, he started to change my mind.

I think he’s made some really strange decisions in the last few weeks, did again tonight.

But then you look at what he’s working with. We’ve signed about 800 players in 2022 and you’re still bringing on Lewis Stevenson. There is so much crap in that squad and so many players that are giving us zero value for money. Until that whole strategy changes, it’ll be a continuous cycle.

I don’t disagree but tonight he had both Cabraja and Stevenson on the bench (which made little sense to me) and chose to bring on Stevenson.

[chookyembra]

6-1 loss to Celtic going on more
4-1 loss at Aberdeen
2-1 Loss after being up 1-0 up to St J home
Lost to bottom of the league Dundee United
Lost in league cup against part time teams Morton and Falkirk
Lost to St Mirren and Livingston
Wins mostly against 10 men.

The club have hired some crap managers recently
The manager is to blame
Recruitment has been a joke
X1 new midfielder signed
Full of young players who aren’t good enough
Full of injured players and players who have contributed nothing except picking up free money.
Not enough experience when things get tough.
No leadership - mainly due to young inexperienced players
8 out of 11 starters tonight played last season

I was backing him a few weeks ago but after the recent horror show games I’m seriously fed up with the club already again.

I fear for the games ahead and more hammerings off better teams.

Dreadful performance tonight and rightly booed off. For me he has to go tonight wasn’t acceptable and neither have the previous 5 performances. Best he goes as soon as possible and give a new manager the World Cup to work with this squad and see what he can get out them and then mass changes in January. Too many Hertz connections in our club just now.

[big gogs]

Inexcusable getting beat at home from dross like Ross county , no excuses , team just not good enough and Johnson has to go , no more chances
Dross like Ross county,we are dross ,county beat us ,we offered nothing,replacing mitchel after 19 minutes,why was he playing at all.

[JamesHFC]

Gave him the benefit of the doubt during the summer with the league Cup as he was just in the door and we made a dozen signings who needed time to gel and play the way he wants.

We are now in November and on a run of 5 defeats in our last 6. Conceding 14 goals whilst playing a back 5.

Sell out crowd at home to St Johnstone & we throw a 1-0 lead, not good enough.

I'm frustrated because I think we have actually played some decent stuff the last couple of months but the results of late are nowhere near good enough. Tonight was an eye opener for me. That was basically a Maloney team out there tonight.

Boyle has taken an early break so he doesn't miss the chance of playing in the world cup and Hibs don't miss out on the cash windfall which comes with it.

Johnson said at Aberdeen that Nisbet could have played 20-30 mins that day. Well with Boyle out why isn't he at least on the bench tonight if that's the case?

I've seen Johnson put his hand up to apologise at the end of games far too many times, I'm sick of the sight of it.

He will get the World Cup break to sort things out and another window in January where I expect to see more outgoings than incomings.

A win tonight would have seen us in 3rd place but now we face going into the world cup break outside the top 6.

The board won't sack him regardless of the Killie result because it would make them look like a complete clown act. The deeper problem within the club lies with them. Recruitment has been woeful, in this league all it takes is a few experienced players who have done well at this level to create a decent side. We are signing randoms in the hope they turn out to be something decent, its like an episode of football manager. I give them credit for bringing back Boyle but at the same time struggle to forgive them for not replacing him in the first place which saw our season come to a brutal end last season.

Johnson probably isn't the biggest issue and I'd like for him to have a fully fit squad available to him but the results are very poor and he said it would take a certain amount of time to see the best of us, well we are now at that time and we are getting done by Ross County at home.

Bring on the international break.

[Mcbizz1998]

We are not bottom of the league though and sacking a manager every few months will get us nowhere in fact we might even struggle to get one in if we go down this route .Not many managers after a few months are going to get everything right in a short period of time even sir Alex Ferguson was rumoured to be close to the sack his first year at Man u . I'm for giving LJ time though a lot won't but talk of Roy Keane becoming manager that really is hitting the destruction button .

I’m aware we aren’t bottom of the league, that’s why I used the word “if”.

[Tambo]

Ah the managerial merry go around, who would you want to take over if LJ walks or somehow gets sacked.

[Hibeesforever]

Read that Henderson is on a four year deal, tell me that isn't true...recruitment team hold their heads

[SickBoy32]

Madness IMO to bin the manager when you’ve got the owners laddie signing the next host of absolute huddies

Maloney is never a manager and was rightly sacked , but this guy would get us playing IMO, given appropriate players

The bulk of the summer signings are a disaster, same as Jan

[ehf]

One game left for him I guess. Anything other than a win at Kilmarnock then he’s a goner. Defeats in the manner like that tonight just can’t be accepted.

Bereft of ideas and charisma when the chips are down - from both player and management.

Think that’s right. Feel a bit sorry for him because of the injuries and none of the “project” signings working out, but we are clearly going nowhere under him.

[Mutu]

People using the “we can’t sack managers every few months” excuse makes no sense.

If we were bottom of the league nobody would say that, if the manager isn’t good enough it doesn’t matter how long he has been in charge.

But we're not bottom of the league are we, we're 6th. 2 points off third.

This website is fking crazy. Sacking Johnson now would be absolute insanity and it's not going to happen. People need to get real here.

[JohnM1875]

Ah the managerial merry go around, who would you want to take over if LJ walks or somehow gets sacked.

To be fair plenty managers would jump at the chance to manage us just now, it's a piece of piss, get paid well for a few months then get a nice wee pay off package.

[JohnM1875]

But we're not bottom of the league are we, we're 6th. 2 points off third.

This website is fking crazy. Sacking Johnson now would be absolute insanity and it's not going to happen. People need to get real here.

Bet there were loads of Sunderland fans saying the same.

[Ozyhibby]

Madness IMO to bin the manager when you’ve got the owners laddie signing the next host of absolute huddies

Maloney is never a manager and was rightly sacked , but this guy would get us playing IMO, given appropriate players

The bulk of the summer signings are a disaster, same as Jan

Johnson needs to go regardless. Whatever the structure at Hibs, Johnson can’t cope. He’s failing.
If he’s not in charge of signings then he should never have taken the job. If he can’t stand up for himself when it comes to signing players then he should be nowhere near the Hibs job.


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[Unseen work]

Read that Henderson is on a four year deal, tell me that isn't true...recruitment team hold their heads

The signing never really made sense at the time, he had loans at Dunfermline and Ross county where he played a handful of games without overly impressing.

I’ve heard a million times that’s ‘He’s meant to be the best Henderson and better than Liam’

Maybe when he was 10

[Ozyhibby]

But we're not bottom of the league are we, we're 6th. 2 points off third.

This website is fking crazy. Sacking Johnson now would be absolute insanity and it's not going to happen. People need to get real here.

His record is worse than Maloney’s. Why would he deserve to stay?


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[loanheadhibby]

Sacking him would be the worst thing that we could do. Serious question for those wanting him out… who would want the job after the last few seasons?

This 3 CB’s and a holding midfielder at home against that gang is really worrying mind you.

It's still a big job in Scottish football so lots of people would want the job especially if they're out of work.
I know the situation is not great but if LJ is not the man to take us forward we have got to get rid and hopefully appoint someone who can take us forward.
He does appear at times to be clueless tactically.

[NC1875]

Have we heard from him yet ? What nonsense is he spouting tonight?

[Nakedmanoncrack]

I've got a modicum of sympathy for him because the problems at the club are far deeper than the manager, and how much involvement he had in recruiting the dross we've brought in is debatable. However a defeat at Kilmarnock (likely), and the forthcoming WC break could well spell the end.

[Trinity Hibee]

But we're not bottom of the league are we, we're 6th. 2 points off third.

This website is fking crazy. Sacking Johnson now would be absolute insanity and it's not going to happen. People need to get real here.

Come on. You are going to have to come up with better than that. We’ve played 2 more games than some teams. You do realise that losing home games to St J and Ross Co the way we have is unacceptable.

I’m not necessarily wanting him gone as the merry go round isn’t helpful. We need a huge squad clear out over the next 2 windows but Johnson has to take a share of the blame here

[Gmack7]

Tactics tonight were a ****in joke,5 defenders, a defensive midfielder along with Henderson why are we persisting with 3 at the back, the 3 subs after Stevenson were obvious as we had no-one else who was remotely offensive, we had a keeper, 2 LBs , 2 CHs and a kid on the bench, farcical

[keep the faith]

We are not bottom of the league though and sacking a manager every few months will get us nowhere in fact we might even struggle to get one in if we go down this route .Not many managers after a few months are going to get everything right in a short period of time even sir Alex Ferguson was rumoured to be close to the sack his first year at Man u . I'm for giving LJ time though a lot won't but talk of Roy Keane becoming manager that really is hitting the destruction button .

100% agree

[Chorley Hibee]

But we're not bottom of the league are we, we're 6th. 2 points off third.

This website is fking crazy. Sacking Johnson now would be absolute insanity and it's not going to happen. People need to get real here.

Lost to League 1 Falkirk, drew with Championship Morton, defeats to St Mirren, Livingston, Dundee Utd,St Johnstone, Ross County and hammered by Aberdeen and Celtic, and that's all before we're even through November!

Lost more games than we've won in the league too.

What's ****ing crazy is that there's still a substantial amount of Hibs fans, and club officials, who find this level of performance acceptable.

[Leith Green]

Writing was On the wall with our summer recruitment.. manager clueless defensively unfortunately. We are predictable and easy to play against

[loanheadhibby]

But we're not bottom of the league are we, we're 6th. 2 points off third.

This website is fking crazy. Sacking Johnson now would be absolute insanity and it's not going to happen. People need to get real here.
Come on stop hiding behind daft stats.
If you were at the match tonight you should be seriously worried.
Why would it be madness to sack LJ? Do you think given time he will take us forward. Personally I don't.
Lose to Killie on Saturday and we will be slipping down the league too quickly for comfort.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Read that Henderson is on a four year deal, tell me that isn't true...recruitment team hold their heads

Henderson on 4, campbell on 4, Mitchell on 2, Magennis on 5, mcGeady on 2, Tavares on 4… there’s probably others that are just as ridiculous.

The recruitment team are a disgrace.

[Hibernian Verse]

Come on stop hiding behind daft stats.
If you were at the match tonight you should be seriously worried.
Why would it be madness to sack LJ? Do you think given time he will take us forward. Personally I don't.
Lose to Killie on Saturday and we will be slipping down the league too quickly for comfort.

I’m not sure you can put “points” down as a “daft stat”

[tonyrougier123]

Time the football side of the club was giving to football men.
A director of football in with club connections.
A new manager.
Recruitment rebuilt with new manager deeply involved.

Ian Gordon and Ben kensall either taking a backseat or leaving all together.(it’s not working lads)

Make Easter road an intimidating venue again.

Ron Gordon needs to separate the business from the football.

[paddy1875]

We’re still playing a lot of the same team that got the last 2 managers the sack. After a mass of recruitment in the summer.

This either tells me he’s not making these new signings all himself. Which he has stated he has the final say.

The other option is that he’s recruited wrong himself and isn’t actually a very good manager. 5 defeats from 6 is a shocking run of results. Getting knocked out the league cup groups is a shocking result. We’ve picked up a lot of points this season against 10 men.

I personally just can’t take to the guy. Used car salesman.


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[Pagan Hibernia]

Why not, the owner has no problem with it.

That’s anything but a solid endorsement for the idea

[LunasBoots]

Come on. You are going to have to come up with better than that. We’ve played 2 more games than some teams. You do realise that losing home games to St J and Ross Co the way we have is unacceptable.

I’m not necessarily wanting him gone as the merry go round isn’t helpful. We need a huge squad clear out over the next 2 windows but Johnson has to take a share of the blame here

Think Johnson has hinted at that after some previous games, unfortunately it looks yo have had a negative impact on the current players.

[Trinity Hibee]

We’re still playing a lot of the same team that got the last 2 managers the sack. After a mass of recruitment in the summer.

This either tells me he’s not making these new signings all himself. Which he has stated he has the final say.

The other option is that he’s recruited wrong himself and isn’t actually a very good manager. 5 defeats from 6 is a shocking run of results. Getting knocked out the league cup groups is a shocking result. We’ve picked up a lot of points this season against 10 men.

I personally just can’t take to the guy. Used car salesman.


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Very true. Far too many common denominators from the last couple of years. Complete revamp of squad required. Some of the lengths of deals we’ve handed out is nothing short of a disgrace.

[Carheenlea]

When you lose 5 out of 6 you’re entering the last chance saloon.

I like him and want him to succeed but few managers of clubs with targets such as ours survive such form.

[GreenCastle]

Johnson needs to go regardless. Whatever the structure at Hibs, Johnson can’t cope. He’s failing.
If he’s not in charge of signings then he should never have taken the job. If he can’t stand up for himself when it comes to signing players then he should be nowhere near the Hibs job.


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Fair point.

We are so soft as a team and as a club.

We will never improve until they sort the recruitment out.

My worry is now we will make same mistakes in January (where you rarely sign anyone half decent anyway).

He’s lost a large section of fans over the last few weeks - he can’t really complain as fans have been seriously let down after paying ££ for ST and away travel.

I’m fed up listening to the interviews now as it’s just nonsense. Just produce the results and get the fans back onside.

[Mcbizz1998]

But we're not bottom of the league are we, we're 6th. 2 points off third.

This website is fking crazy. Sacking Johnson now would be absolute insanity and it's not going to happen. People need to get real here.

Yes, I’m where we are. Thanks for clearing that up though.

The point I’m making is saying that we can’t keep
changing manager every 3 months isn’t a coherent argument as things stand.

As IF, and just to be clear again, I’m saying “if” we were bottom of the league nobody would be making that argument. As someone else mentions, the only argument for LJ saying seems to be that we can’t keep changing managers - we can and should if the current one is ****.

[Trinity Hibee]

Henderson on 4, campbell on 4, Mitchell on 2, Magennis on 5, mcGeady on 2, Tavares on 4… there’s probably others that are just as ridiculous.

The recruitment team are a disgrace.

4 years for Henderson and tavares. That is a sackable offence

[B.H.F.C]

Writing was On the wall with our summer recruitment.. manager clueless defensively unfortunately. We are predictable and easy to play against

The issue with the defence is on him. We were solid, then he started making changes.

[GreenGray]

We’ve tried Hecky (doing well in England) Ross (considered a decent Scottish coach) Maloney (a highly rated up and coming coach) and now Johnson (an experienced coach who has decent pedigree) and they’ve all failed.

The common denominator isn’t the coach here it’s the players, we’ve tried almost every type of coach. We can’t just keep sacking managers all the time, there need to be a change higher up.


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[Souter96Mac]

Has to go for me after tonight

[Smartie]

The one thing I will say that slightly annoys me about Johnson is his continuous comments about % of possession we have in a game being too high for his preference.

I feel like the majority of people would know we routinely have high possession and other teams counter us and that’s how it always seems to go.

He needs to learn to adapt and set up for this, we rarely have opportunities to counter teams to we need to work on fast play in compact areas.

That smacks of someone who doesn’t understand Scottish football to me. Managers who obsess about “the press” get on my tits too.

We’re going to have more of the ball in most our home games against most teams, that’s before we go losing the first goal. We need to find a way to do MUCH better with the possession we had tonight. The movement, the first touches and the passing during the first half were at times simply atrocious.

Our possession % will - funnily enough - be lower against Rangers and Celtic. Will that make him happy?

It’s different in the likes of league one in England when there are loads of teams of similar size and resource, taking a point in a lot of games will be acceptable and a counter attacking approach might be reasonable at home and away.


I wasn’t impressed by him at all tonight but I don’t want him gone. Is there a manager in world football who could get our central midfielders and attackers who finished the game to create and take enough chances to win a premier league game? Not in my opinion, we simply have too many players who aren’t good enough or aren’t good enough yet. That needs addressed pronto, long before we go blaming another manager.

[The Modfather]

Deary me. I'm nowhere near that yet. Barring today, the games we've lost have been down to not putting chances in the back of the net.

Give him till the end of the season, I think well be fine.

Fine as in not in danger of relegation or challenging for 3rd? I don’t blame Johnson. Like Maloney, and to a lesser extent Ross, he’s been dealt a poor hand. Has a squad lacking most of everything and like Maloney seems to have no idea how to get the best out of the blunt tools he does have.

We’ve spent what it costs to assemble a 3rd place squad but have managed to assemble a bottom six standard squad.

[shetlandhibee]

Ah the managerial merry go around, who would you want to take over if LJ walks or somehow gets sacked.
i for one personally wanted(hoped) The club would go for Neil Lennon before Johnston came in and if he goes in the near future thats who they should go for ,i know it ended badly for him before he left last time but IMO i think he,ll have learned a lot from that and would be the man to stabilize the club and have us challenging at the right half of the table regularly :agree:

[Nicho87]

LJ biggest mistake was not watching the maloney games back and seeing that midfield is powder puff, to only bring in one player for tag position and rely on an unfit Magennis was a massive risk.
He went signing heavy on wingers and strikers, he and we are now paying for that issue.

Both him and club at fault

[WhileTheChief..]

RG heaped so much praise on LJ when he was appointed, I can't see him doing anything soon.

Remember in the press conference when he quipped that the fans weren't in the room during the interview? Maybe some should have been!!

He was so smug about getting LJ that he can't admit another huge mistake. He's got to spend his way out of this one in January, leaving all the recruitment to LJ.

If we're still gash at the end of season he can then blame and bin LJ, and start again in the summer.

[Mikey_1875]

He shouldn’t go but there is definitely some soul searching to do over the WC break. St Mirren aside things have been erratic of late with some poor decision making.

The board need to figure out how we get the dross out and some ready to go quality in. Otherwise it will be another shot on the managerial merry-go-round next season I’d think.

[stalbanshibby]

Just heard LJ post match interview on BBC. Willie Miller ( I know I know) took him apart, and I'm afraid to say he (WM) had a point.

LJ was slavering. Sounded to me like he thought Brian McLaughlin was his best mate and he needed a shoulder to cry on.

Bottom line: spineless team, apparently lots of 'potential' and 'talent' but still to show it, and in the meantime - no nous, no winners and piss poor quality.

It's been the same most of my life: Hibs build me up (lots of hype and glimpses of something good), and I buy into it every time, only then to produce utter pish, and I end up wondering whether I should just walk away. Bit like a good salesman who just sold me something i'm really wary of because I've seen/ heard/ felt it all before, and then i buy it and find out it doesn't work anyway.

Get a grip Hibs. FFS

[WhileTheChief..]

i for one personally wanted(hoped) The club would go for Neil Lennon before Johnston came in and if he goes in the near future thats who they should go for ,i know it ended badly for him before he left last time but IMO i think he,ll have learned a lot from that and would be the man to stabilize the club and have us challenging at the right half of the table regularly :agree:

In a heartbeat.

I actually think Lennon is exactly the type RG should go for. Here's hoping.

[SteveHFC]

I don't think it was lack of effort," Hibs boss Lee Johnson tells BBC Sportsound. "We huffed and puffed but there was a severe lack of quality, lack of decision making.
"It was a very good away performance that did a job on us and that's really disappointing. We believe that the squad as a whole has more quality than we have shown in recent performances, although we haven't always had the best quality we have out on the pitch.
"There will be criticism and that's fair. At the end of the day, we all want to do well for Hibs, so we need to come out fighting against Kilmarnock.
"We were nowhere near good enough in the final third. We let them off the hook far too many times with poor crossing.
"In training it's good but for some reason in games it's not happening. I think it's down to a bit of everything. It's about timing, technique, quality, a bit of disruption and not enough players are on their game - and obviously I haven't performed well either - I take the brunt of that.
"We have let the supporters down. There have been some decent performances in some of the losses but there's a fragility in the goals we have conceded and we have to get through to the winter break and have the opportunity to get players back from injury. Until then we need to be more resolute than we've been."

[Leith Green]

Lucky for my kids i got killie tickets on Monday? Or id have not bothered after tonights and fridays farce .. defensive side nin existent

[GreenCastle]

My worry is he gets till after Xmas loses to the Old Firm then loses the Derby (could easily get pumped if the players have chucked it) and then he goes.

The board may wait but feels the writing is on the wall and he’s got a long way to convince the fans he’s the guy to move the club forward.

[SaulGoodman]

I don't think it was lack of effort," Hibs boss Lee Johnson tells BBC Sportsound. "We huffed and puffed but there was a severe lack of quality, lack of decision making.
"It was a very good away performance that did a job on us and that's really disappointing. We believe that the squad as a whole has more quality than we have shown in recent performances, although we haven't always had the best quality we have out on the pitch.
"There will be criticism and that's fair. At the end of the day, we all want to do well for Hibs, so we need to come out fighting against Kilmarnock.
"We were nowhere near good enough in the final third. We let them off the hook far too many times with poor crossing.
"In training it's good but for some reason in games it's not happening. I think it's down to a bit of everything. It's about timing, technique, quality, a bit of disruption and not enough players are on their game - and obviously I haven't performed well either - I take the brunt of that.
"We have let the supporters down. There have been some decent performances in some of the losses but there's a fragility in the goals we have conceded and we have to get through to the winter break and have the opportunity to get players back from injury. Until then we need to be more resolute than we've been."

I like the bit about how the crosses at training seem to go better than the crosses during actual games.

Maybe that’s because we’re playing against our own defence in training?

[Pretty Boy]

Ayr United are doing really well and seem to have recruited smartly. We should go after whoever is running the show there.......

[Leith Green]

Just watched back the 2nd goal , pub league stuff

[MagicSwirlingShip]

I don't think it was lack of effort," Hibs boss Lee Johnson tells BBC Sportsound. "We huffed and puffed but there was a severe lack of quality, lack of decision making.
"It was a very good away performance that did a job on us and that's really disappointing. We believe that the squad as a whole has more quality than we have shown in recent performances, although we haven't always had the best quality we have out on the pitch.
"There will be criticism and that's fair. At the end of the day, we all want to do well for Hibs, so we need to come out fighting against Kilmarnock.
"We were nowhere near good enough in the final third. We let them off the hook far too many times with poor crossing.
"In training it's good but for some reason in games it's not happening. I think it's down to a bit of everything. It's about timing, technique, quality, a bit of disruption and not enough players are on their game - and obviously I haven't performed well either - I take the brunt of that.
"We have let the supporters down. There have been some decent performances in some of the losses but there's a fragility in the goals we have conceded and we have to get through to the winter break and have the opportunity to get players back from injury. Until then we need to be more resolute than we've been."

News to football manager - it’s your job to make sure the players are on their game

[Trinity Hibee]

I like the bit about how the crosses at training seem to go better than the crosses during actual games.

Maybe that’s because we’re playing against our own defence in training?

Haha!

[LaMotta]

I like the bit about how the crosses at training seem to go better than the crosses during actual games.

Maybe that’s because we’re playing against our own defence in training?

:hilarious:hilarious

[HibeeSince85]

Ayr United are doing really well and seem to have recruited smartly. We should go after whoever is running the show there.......

No surprise, they recruited someone with actual experience.

[stalbanshibby]

I like the bit about how the crosses at training seem to go better than the crosses during actual games.

Maybe that’s because we’re playing against our own defence in training?


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[One Day Soon]

We signed the wrong manager.

Then we signed the wrong players - many of them mediocre and on long term contracts.

We have our recruitment conducted by the Sommelier, a man with literally no previous experience in this.

We have an absentee owner and no-one properly leading the club as an institution day to day and week to week.

During the summer many of us argued that we needed to sign strongly in the key positions where we have been weak for literally years now: a scoring striker, a midfield playmaker and much, much more pace throughout the team. Instead we neglected all of that and signed many callow laddies. It was pointed out that to bring these youngsters on (if they were capable of developing) would require experienced players around them and it was pointed out that if we hit the skids these inexperienced signings would be headless chickens. We didn't sign the experience we needed and we are now looking very ropey. The one older player we did sign has, predictably, been crocked as was warned was likely at the time.

We were told we would be playing a high-tempo high press style. We're not.

We were told that the manager's style would be imposed on the team and its performances well before now. Either it hasn't been imposed or, worse still, it has and the style is ineffectual beige blancmange.

We are a side that likes to make many, many pointless passes (especially square balls), that lacks a consistent shape and which is in fact a one-trick pony named Boyle.

We've spent quite a lot of money to be this bad too. I honestly think there is no-one at the club in any senior position of meaningful influence who understands Hibernian or Scottish Football.

The utterly abject League Cup exit wasn't an accident, it was a horribly accurate harbinger of where we were going - nowhere.

[Donegal Hibby]

I’m aware we aren’t bottom of the league, that’s why I used the word “if”.
I'm aware you used the ' if ' word btw well done .you say people who use 'we can't sack a manager every few months ' makes no sense to you ? I'm one that thinks that and you stated that the writings on the wall ,how you know that ? He might turn it around given a transfer window and you said nobody would be saying it if we were bottom well I would like to see the guy get a chance not a couple of months in and first sign of trouble we sack them and repeat this over and over again , talk of Roy keane over Lee Johnson now that's absolutely mental . Anyhow can't be bothered with all the negativity and lack of support for our manager at the first sign of trouble it's all a bit fair weather supporting to me

[WestCoastHibby]

Time for Ron’s progeny to go on gardening leave and he can take Joe Pasqually with him

[Paulie Walnuts]

I like the bit about how the crosses at training seem to go better than the crosses during actual games.

Maybe that’s because we’re playing against our own defence in training?

:faf:

[The Modfather]

In a heartbeat.

I actually think Lennon is exactly the type RG should go for. Here's hoping.

We’ve got a squad now like the one Lennon left us with. He’s a manager that works in certain circumstances for a period of time. I.e taking over a team doing well before it the falls away, and usually falls away spectacularly. He’s not someone to inherit a mess and then build foundations IMO.

If it was up to me I would admit what we’re doing isn’t working and there’s no quick fix as we can’t move on the vast amount of players we need to move on. I’d hire another Mowbray with the remit of bringing through the U19 squad and the development players on loan. Look to sign only one or two players each upcoming window, but these players are of the standard of Marshall and will first be a central midfielder and left winger and then a centre back and striker.

It would be a step backward, and we would have to accept there would be 10s of players sitting in the stands collecting a wage for nothing, but it’s the only way to move forward and actually build the core of a team that can grow and build real foundations IMO.

[Mutu]

Lost to League 1 Falkirk, drew with Championship Morton, defeats to St Mirren, Livingston, Dundee Utd,St Johnstone, Ross County and hammered by Aberdeen and Celtic, and that's all before we're even through November!

Lost more games than we've won in the league too.

What's ****ing crazy is that there's still a substantial amount of Hibs fans, and club officials, who find this level of performance acceptable.

Where did I say it was acceptable? It's clearly not. But I also happen to live in reality and I realise that sacking the manager, who only just recently got us on a fairly decent run of games, is a ridiculous thing to be doing at this stage of the season. I'll say it again, we're 2 points off 3rd.

What does getting rid of Johnson now achieve? Please someone tell me because I genuinely think half of this board are completely losing their minds on this.

[Mcbizz1998]

Just watched back the 2nd goal , pub league stuff

What the actual **** is Porteous doing for that one?

[Mcbizz1998]

I'm aware you used the ' if ' word btw well done .you say people who use 'we can't sack a manager every few months ' makes no sense to you ? I'm one that thinks that and you stated that the writings on the wall ,how you know that ? He might turn it around given a transfer window and you said nobody would be saying it if we were bottom well I would like to see the guy get a chance not a couple of months in and first sign of trouble we sack them and repeat this over and over again , talk of Roy keane over Lee Johnson now that's absolutely mental . Anyhow can't be bothered with all the negativity and lack of support for our manager at the first sign of trouble it's all a bit fair weather supporting to me

I don’t know that. I believe, in my opinion, that the writing is on the wall and sooner or later this guy will be sacked.

I’ve never mentioned Roy Keane, you have in about 5 posts though.

[Unseen work]

The second goal is the reason the manager shouldn’t be sacked.

People will say about coaching Porteous etc but that is purely down to him, he knows he shouldn’t be doing that.

[JohnM1875]

What the actual **** is Porteous doing for that one?

‘Away for a hotdog’ apparently 😂. Absolutely horrific defending.

[Scotty Leither]

We signed the wrong manager.

Then we signed the wrong players - many of them mediocre and on long term contracts.

We have our recruitment conducted by the Sommelier, a man with literally no previous experience in this.

We have an absentee owner and no-one properly leading the club as an institution day to day and week to week.

During the summer many of us argued that we needed to sign strongly in the key positions where we have been weak for literally years now: a scoring striker, a midfield playmaker and much, much more pace throughout the team. Instead we neglected all of that and signed many callow laddies. It was pointed out that to bring these youngsters on (if they were capable of developing) would require experienced players around them and it was pointed out that if we hit the skids these inexperienced signings would be headless chickens. We didn't sign the experience we needed and we are now looking very ropey. The one older player we did sign has, predictably, been crocked as was warned was likely at the time.

We were told we would be playing a high-tempo high press style. We're not.

We were told that the manager's style would be imposed on the team and its performances well before now. Either it hasn't been imposed or, worse still, it has and the style is ineffectual beige blancmange.

We are a side that likes to make many, many pointless passes (especially square balls), that lacks a consistent shape and which is in fact a one-trick pony named Boyle.

We've spent quite a lot of money to be this bad too. I honestly think there is no-one at the club in any senior position of meaningful influence who understands Hibernian or Scottish Football.

The utterly abject League Cup exit wasn't an accident, it was a horribly accurate harbinger of where we were going - nowhere.

Post of the night pal, and should be read and inwardly digested by Gordon and Kensell.

If I'd add one thing, it's there's too many hingers-on from the old Board still at the club. They knew f all about what the fans craved ON the park either, yet they're still there.

I'd have more time for Gordon if he went for the boy Burrows at Motherwell as Director of football, and gently and quietly stood his son down from the Head of Recruitment role.

[hibbydog]

15 managers in 20 years. Each one is generally as bad as the last and only a few have done a good job.

Doesn’t this prove that it’s not the manager that’s the problem?

Really don’t understand why everyone wants to sack the manager when it’s been proven time and again that it just doesn’t work

[Nakedmanoncrack]

We signed the wrong manager.

Then we signed the wrong players - many of them mediocre and on long term contracts.

We have our recruitment conducted by the Sommelier, a man with literally no previous experience in this.

We have an absentee owner and no-one properly leading the club as an institution day to day and week to week.

During the summer many of us argued that we needed to sign strongly in the key positions where we have been weak for literally years now: a scoring striker, a midfield playmaker and much, much more pace throughout the team. Instead we neglected all of that and signed many callow laddies. It was pointed out that to bring these youngsters on (if they were capable of developing) would require experienced players around them and it was pointed out that if we hit the skids these inexperienced signings would be headless chickens. We didn't sign the experience we needed and we are now looking very ropey. The one older player we did sign has, predictably, been crocked as was warned was likely at the time.

We were told we would be playing a high-tempo high press style. We're not.

We were told that the manager's style would be imposed on the team and its performances well before now. Either it hasn't been imposed or, worse still, it has and the style is ineffectual beige blancmange.

We are a side that likes to make many, many pointless passes (especially square balls), that lacks a consistent shape and which is in fact a one-trick pony named Boyle.

We've spent quite a lot of money to be this bad too. I honestly think there is no-one at the club in any senior position of meaningful influence who understands Hibernian or Scottish Football.

The utterly abject League Cup exit wasn't an accident, it was a horribly accurate harbinger of where we were going - nowhere.

:agree:

[Carheenlea]

I like the bit about how the crosses at training seem to go better than the crosses during actual games.

Maybe that’s because we’re playing against our own defence in training?



:hilarious

[zitelli62]

Agree is it to simple to get a manager who brings in his own head of recruitment to find players or is that to simple.

[HibeeSince85]

Agree is it to simple to get a manager who brings in his own head of recruitment to find players or is that to simple.

We need a director of football who recruits a head of recruitment if he wishes and they two are here for the long term, meaning if a manager is successful and leaves nothing changes.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Where did I say it was acceptable? It's clearly not. But I also happen to live in reality and I realise that sacking the manager, who only just recently got us on a fairly decent run of games, is a ridiculous thing to be doing at this stage of the season. I'll say it again, we're 2 points off 3rd.

What does getting rid of Johnson now achieve? Please someone tell me because I genuinely think half of this board are completely losing their minds on this.

I don’t want him sacked. I wasn’t all that desperate for Maloney to be sacked either and it’s because I think they’ve both been stitched up by the club and our shambolic recruitment. They were doomed to fail the minute they took the job when a somellier was signing players for them.

At the end of the day though, Lee Johnson has now managed the same amount of games as Maloney did before he got sacked (19) and is only 2 points better off (26 LJ, 24 SM). That’s despite the fact LJ has had the luxury of 4 games against lower league teams to Maloneys 1.

We are absolutely abysmal and based on results and considering that Johnson has had easier games you could probably put forward a decent argument that we’re even worse under Johnson than we were Maloney.

[paddy1875]

I'm aware you used the ' if ' word btw well done .you say people who use 'we can't sack a manager every few months ' makes no sense to you ? I'm one that thinks that and you stated that the writings on the wall ,how you know that ? He might turn it around given a transfer window and you said nobody would be saying it if we were bottom well I would like to see the guy get a chance not a couple of months in and first sign of trouble we sack them and repeat this over and over again , talk of Roy keane over Lee Johnson now that's absolutely mental . Anyhow can't be bothered with all the negativity and lack of support for our manager at the first sign of trouble it's all a bit fair weather supporting to me

This isn’t the first sign of trouble tho is it?

The league cup was the first

Defeats to Livingston and st mirren away were the second and third.

And now this run of 5 defeats in 6.

We can all take defeats, no problem.

But the manager is having a shocker just now. He got off to a shocker. He’s team selections and substitutions are often head scratching.


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[HoboHarry]

15 managers in 20 years. Each one is generally as bad as the last and only a few have done a good job.

Doesn’t this prove that it’s not the manager that’s the problem?

Really don’t understand why everyone wants to sack the manager when it’s been proven time and again that it just doesn’t work

That doesn't matter to the hystericals on here. Shout and yell until the manager gets sacked, wait for the latest whipping boy to be appointed (someone else job to decide who obviously) then wait the shortest possible time after defeats then start shouting and yelling again.

[HendoDelivered]

I'm not his biggest fan, but surely folk can see by now that the problems at Hibs runner deeper than the manager?

Our recruitment is a disaster, and that's with us having spent more than ever as well.

A bloated squad with enough dross to fill two teams, let alone one, and players like Henderson on a 4 year deal!

Then we still have the likes of Stevenson, Hanlon, McGregor, Newell, Campbell etc, either playing or on the bench, and we wonder why we're still as ***** as ever!

As for Porteous, he can **** off tomorrow for all I care, his performances for 18 months now (bar a few the other month) have been a disgrace.

Bang on

[Basildon Hibs]

We signed the wrong manager.

Then we signed the wrong players - many of them mediocre and on long term contracts.

We have our recruitment conducted by the Sommelier, a man with literally no previous experience in this.

We have an absentee owner and no-one properly leading the club as an institution day to day and week to week.

During the summer many of us argued that we needed to sign strongly in the key positions where we have been weak for literally years now: a scoring striker, a midfield playmaker and much, much more pace throughout the team. Instead we neglected all of that and signed many callow laddies. It was pointed out that to bring these youngsters on (if they were capable of developing) would require experienced players around them and it was pointed out that if we hit the skids these inexperienced signings would be headless chickens. We didn't sign the experience we needed and we are now looking very ropey. The one older player we did sign has, predictably, been crocked as was warned was likely at the time.

We were told we would be playing a high-tempo high press style. We're not.

We were told that the manager's style would be imposed on the team and its performances well before now. Either it hasn't been imposed or, worse still, it has and the style is ineffectual beige blancmange.

We are a side that likes to make many, many pointless passes (especially square balls), that lacks a consistent shape and which is in fact a one-trick pony named Boyle.

We've spent quite a lot of money to be this bad too. I honestly think there is no-one at the club in any senior position of meaningful influence who understands Hibernian or Scottish Football.

The utterly abject League Cup exit wasn't an accident, it was a horribly accurate harbinger of where we were going - nowhere.

Spot on. 👍

[The Harp Awakes]

We signed the wrong manager.

Then we signed the wrong players - many of them mediocre and on long term contracts.

We have our recruitment conducted by the Sommelier, a man with literally no previous experience in this.

We have an absentee owner and no-one properly leading the club as an institution day to day and week to week.

During the summer many of us argued that we needed to sign strongly in the key positions where we have been weak for literally years now: a scoring striker, a midfield playmaker and much, much more pace throughout the team. Instead we neglected all of that and signed many callow laddies. It was pointed out that to bring these youngsters on (if they were capable of developing) would require experienced players around them and it was pointed out that if we hit the skids these inexperienced signings would be headless chickens. We didn't sign the experience we needed and we are now looking very ropey. The one older player we did sign has, predictably, been crocked as was warned was likely at the time.

We were told we would be playing a high-tempo high press style. We're not.

We were told that the manager's style would be imposed on the team and its performances well before now. Either it hasn't been imposed or, worse still, it has and the style is ineffectual beige blancmange.

We are a side that likes to make many, many pointless passes (especially square balls), that lacks a consistent shape and which is in fact a one-trick pony named Boyle.

We've spent quite a lot of money to be this bad too. I honestly think there is no-one at the club in any senior position of meaningful influence who understands Hibernian or Scottish Football.

The utterly abject League Cup exit wasn't an accident, it was a horribly accurate harbinger of where we were going - nowhere.

All sadly true.

Can we add to the list of player deficiencies, a dead ball expert? We haven't had a player who can take a free kick or a corner since Mallan left.

Seeing Porteous step up to take yet another wasteful free kick is just soul destroying.

[hibeerealist]

We are not bottom of the league though and sacking a manager every few months will get us nowhere in fact we might even struggle to get one in if we go down this route .Not many managers after a few months are going to get everything right in a short period of time even sir Alex Ferguson was rumoured to be close to the sack his first year at Man u . I'm for giving LJ time though a lot won't but talk of Roy Keane becoming manager that really is hitting the destruction button .


Go and lie down you IF you cant see how bad things are, you know nowt about fitba FFS

[snedzuk]

News to football manager - it’s your job to make sure the players are on their game

Thats what Willie Miller said

[hibeerealist]

Lost to League 1 Falkirk, drew with Championship Morton, defeats to St Mirren, Livingston, Dundee Utd,St Johnstone, Ross County and hammered by Aberdeen and Celtic, and that's all before we're even through November!

Lost more games than we've won in the league too.

What's ****ing crazy is that there's still a substantial amount of Hibs fans, and club officials, who find this level of performance acceptable.


Spot on CH, Johnsons time is up as he has shown us he is NOT the man for the job!

[Hibbyradge]

I can only thank my lucky stars that I was at a Fontaines DC gig in Leeds tonight and missed the game.

I like Johnson, but he's definitely under pressure now.

[Basildon Hibs]

We’re still playing a lot of the same team that got the last 2 managers the sack. After a mass of recruitment in the summer.

This either tells me he’s not making these new signings all himself. Which he has stated he has the final say.

The other option is that he’s recruited wrong himself and isn’t actually a very good manager. 5 defeats from 6 is a shocking run of results. Getting knocked out the league cup groups is a shocking result. We’ve picked up a lot of points this season against 10 men.

I personally just can’t take to the guy. Used car salesman.


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[GreenGray]

You can’t just keep sacking managers, there’s plenty other teams in this league who have went through bad runs of form stuck with their manager and seen it pay off, irs not sustainable.

Bigger problems are else where than in the dug out


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[Is It On....]

15 managers in 20 years. Each one is generally as bad as the last and only a few have done a good job.

Doesn’t this prove that it’s not the manager that’s the problem?

Really don’t understand why everyone wants to sack the manager when it’s been proven time and again that it just doesn’t work

And still we won’t pick up the phone and talk to a highly successful EPL team [whom we supposedly have / had a relationship with and that are competing on a budget below that of their peers] for a bit of guidance on recruitment.

[matty_f]

I like the bit about how the crosses at training seem to go better than the crosses during actual games.

Maybe that’s because we’re playing against our own defence in training?

I've been wondering how teams manager to score with their only chances against us yet we need roughly 30 chances per goal. I came to the same conclusion as you in that the other teams have the unfair advantage of playing us.

[jeffers]

And still we won’t pick up the phone and talk to a highly successful EPL team [whom we supposedly have / had a relationship with and that are competing on a budget below that of their peers] for a bit of guidance on recruitment.

We had someone with considerable experience assisting us with our last recruitment apparently and still opted for Johnson….

[Donegal Hibby]

I don’t know that. I believe, in my opinion, that the writing is on the wall and sooner or later this guy will be sacked.

I’ve never mentioned Roy Keane, you have in about 5 posts though.
Maybe he will be sacked ,he Is under pressure that's for sure and I have mentioned Keane 5 times because other people have on other threads and even on this one having suggested him as a replacement which would be disastrous for Hibs imo , wasn't having ago at you btw just knives have been out for LJ since St mirren game imo.

[Hibee Mac]

I can't believe the number of people wanting yet another manager sacked after he's barely in the door.

We absolutely must give him time, he's shown enough so far to warrant it. Far more than Maloney ever did.

As for the poor results, the players who are good enough have to stand up and take responsibility. As for the ones who aren't good enough, Ron and his son need to take responsibility for.

Ron, stop mucking around and get a sporting director and a real head of recruitment. The nepotism cannot be avoided any longer.

[jeffers]

You can’t just keep sacking managers, there’s plenty other teams in this league who have went through bad runs of form stuck with their manager and seen it pay off, irs not sustainable.

Bigger problems are else where than in the dug out


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Genuine question ‘cos I don’t know the answer, but of the managers we’ve sacked how many have then went on to do a good job elsewhere? We sack managers ‘cos invariably they are pish is my gut feel. On balance Ross probably deserved a bit longer but I can’t think of any others we should have persevered with.

In saying that, our current recruitment structure/policy means whoever we appoint is up against it.

[JohnM1875]

Genuine question ‘cos I don’t know the answer, but of the managers we’ve sacked how many have then went on to do a good job elsewhere? We sack managers ‘cos invariably they are pish is my gut feel. On balance Ross probably deserved a bit longer but I can’t think of any others we should have persevered with.

In saying that, our current recruitment structure/policy means whoever we appoint is up against it.

Lennon - went on to win the treble with Celtic?
Hecky - Flying with Sheffield Utd in the Championship.
Ross - pish, probably end up a pundit for a while.
Maloney - no idea.

[jeffers]

Lennon - went on to win the treble with Celtic?
Hecky - Flying with Sheffield Utd in the Championship.
Ross - pish, probably end up a pundit for a while.
Maloney - no idea.

I forgot about Hecky and Sheffield Utd, but fair point. Lennon if we believe what we were told wasn’t sacked.

[Wheat Hound]

Is there a Hibs TV interview with the manager yet? Can't find one so far and they are normally available by now? 🤔

[ehf]

I don't think it was lack of effort," Hibs boss Lee Johnson tells BBC Sportsound. "We huffed and puffed but there was a severe lack of quality, lack of decision making.
"It was a very good away performance that did a job on us and that's really disappointing. We believe that the squad as a whole has more quality than we have shown in recent performances, although we haven't always had the best quality we have out on the pitch.
"There will be criticism and that's fair. At the end of the day, we all want to do well for Hibs, so we need to come out fighting against Kilmarnock.
"We were nowhere near good enough in the final third. We let them off the hook far too many times with poor crossing.
"In training it's good but for some reason in games it's not happening. I think it's down to a bit of everything. It's about timing, technique, quality, a bit of disruption and not enough players are on their game - and obviously I haven't performed well either - I take the brunt of that.
"We have let the supporters down. There have been some decent performances in some of the losses but there's a fragility in the goals we have conceded and we have to get through to the winter break and have the opportunity to get players back from injury. Until then we need to be more resolute than we've been."

“I think it’s down to a bit of everything” is pure, Butcher-era, clueless desperation; he has no idea how to fix it.

[Donegal Hibby]

This isn’t the first sign of trouble tho is it?

The league cup was the first

Defeats to Livingston and st mirren away were the second and third.

And now this run of 5 defeats in 6.

We can all take defeats, no problem.

But the manager is having a shocker just now. He got off to a shocker. He’s team selections and substitutions are often head scratching.


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League cup was bad paddy no doubt about that and no argument there from me apart from the guys just in the door but we still should have came out of our group though .Defeats to Livy and St mirren , we were very unlucky away to Livingston as we battered them 2nd half imo who have just beaten Dons there tonight , hard place to go too .St mirren game we were bad. we have also had some good results and shown a good team spirit in that time too though.The run of 5 defeats out of 6 isn't acceptable for our club and I know most of us can take defeats even if we don't like them and your right manager is having a bad time though I'd rather see a bit of unity and a strength to stick together and back manager and the team rather than threads started " Hibs are crap " manager must go , Newell this , Bushiri that , vast majority of signings have failed , Mcgeadys S***e and a wage thief , some of Which are away OTT reactions imo anyhow been a bad night I'm still backing LJ and the club yet

[Tambo]

It was nowhere near good enough – I apologise to the supporters for that. I will take it – my own personal performance wasn’t good enough and it is important that I bear the brunt of this because we need to rebuild the confidence in the players.

Off the main site.

[Forza Fred]

Will the simple solution of ‘sack the manager’ fix things though?

It can’t just be…Heckinbottom, Ross, Maloney and now Johnstone who are the main problem?

What about the players?

Let’s start with them..and replace some of them in the right way..not our now standard way of bringing in a bunch of ‘hopefuls’ then discovering they are not what we thought they were…….then looking to the next transfer window and so on, and so on

[Donegal Hibby]

Go and lie down you IF you cant see how bad things are, you know nowt about fitba FFS
I know we are on a bad run as most posters do , footballs all about different opinions ,mines is we can't keep sacking managers and I believe given time LJ will turn it around though no point discussing it with such a expert like yourself . O and last point about you telling me to go for a lie down , I will go for a lie down when I choose too so have a bit of manners please

[Forza Fred]

i for one personally wanted(hoped) The club would go for Neil Lennon before Johnston came in and if he goes in the near future thats who they should go for ,i know it ended badly for him before he left last time but IMO i think he,ll have learned a lot from that and would be the man to stabilize the club and have us challenging at the right half of the table regularly :agree:

Not often that Neil Lennon is see as a stabilising influence.

[Victor]

FFS this has nothing to do with the manager. It’s about forwards that can’t score and defenders that can’t defend. This slump is all down to the majority of players. The second goal was all down to a player who refuses to sign a new contract and thinks he is better than the Club. I imagine that he is a big influence in the dressing room and newer and younger players will take their lead from him.

[JammyDoidger]

Ben Kensell and Ian Gordon need to go**

[Hermit Crab]

Just watched back the 2nd goal , pub league stuff


One pass takes out 3 defenders, Hanlon and Porteous should be embarrassed watching it back. Sunday league indeed.

[Hermit Crab]

It was nowhere near good enough – I apologise to the supporters for that. I will take it – my own personal performance wasn’t good enough and it is important that I bear the brunt of this because we need to rebuild the confidence in the players.

Off the main site.


A man under pressure and he knows it.

[pacoluna]

Quote from Sunderland forum

"I don’t understand how he goes on win streaks like he does then just ****s the bed. He had us playing some fantastic attacking football at times and then others we would concede 6"

[NC1875]

“I think it’s down to a bit of everything” is pure, Butcher-era, clueless desperation; he has no idea how to fix it.

What’s worse is he says it was a very good away performance. County were absolutely terrible and still won the game easily.

We are soft as ****, have been for years and will be for as long as we persist with the likes of Newell, Hanlon, Stevenson as our senior players. It’s all good have talented youngsters but when the senior players chuck in the towel at every opportunity the young ones don’t have a chance.

[JimBHibees]

One pass takes out 3 defenders, Hanlon and Porteous should be embarrassed watching it back. Sunday league indeed.

Agree wtf was Porteous doing not providing any cover. An easily defended position and he wanders in leaving huge gap behind him. Beyond bad.

[JimBHibees]

Will the simple solution of ‘sack the manager’ fix things though?

It can’t just be…Heckinbottom, Ross, Maloney and now Johnstone who are the main problem?

What about the players?

Let’s start with them..and replace some of them in the right way..not our now standard way of bringing in a bunch of ‘hopefuls’ then discovering they are not what we thought they were…….then looking to the next transfer window and so on, and so on

Agree totally huge factor are how poor some of the players are.

[Hibby Bairn]

The board has a track record of responding to fan displeasure and emptying stands with a change of manager.

The World Cup break might come at the wrong time for LJ especially if we lose on Saturday at Killie.

5 weeks is a long time to look at a league table with the club you own only 5 points above 2nd bottom and a recent record of 6 defeats in 7 matches.

[blackpoolhibs]

But we're not bottom of the league are we, we're 6th. 2 points off third.

This website is fking crazy. Sacking Johnson now would be absolute insanity and it's not going to happen. People need to get real here.

Well done, i did mention the very same thing last night but it was in jest. You are the first person i've seen who's said the immortal words, we are only so many points from third.

Next week it will be the same just a couple of points more though, do you see the trend?

[Sir David Gray]

The board has a track record of responding to fan displeasure and emptying stands with a change of manager.

The World Cup break might come at the wrong time for LJ especially if we lose on Saturday at Killie.

5 weeks is a long time to look at a league table with the club you own only 5 points above 2nd bottom and a recent record of 6 defeats in 7 matches.

I think if we lose on Saturday the break will be used as an opportunity to get rid of him.

Quite what that will achieve is anyone's guess though.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I think if we lose on Saturday the break will be used as an opportunity to get rid of him.

Quite what that will achieve is anyone's guess though.

New manager coming in to play Rangers, Livi, Celtic and hearts in their first 4 games.

They’ll be up against it from the very start.

[CentreLine]

I can't believe the number of people wanting yet another manager sacked after he's barely in the door.

We absolutely must give him time, he's shown enough so far to warrant it. Far more than Maloney ever did.

As for the poor results, the players who are good enough have to stand up and take responsibility. As for the ones who aren't good enough, Ron and his son need to take responsibility for.

Ron, stop mucking around and get a sporting director and a real head of recruitment. The nepotism cannot be avoided any longer.

Yes but that’s what they do on these computer games is it not? So it must be how it works in real life🙄

[Sir David Gray]

New manager coming in to play Rangers, Livi, Celtic and hearts in their first 4 games.

They’ll be up against it from the very start.

:agree: Could easily be four defeats there which would be far from ideal to say the least.

[Ozyhibby]

New manager coming in to play Rangers, Livi, Celtic and hearts in their first 4 games.

They’ll be up against it from the very start.

He can give himself half a chance by sorting the midfield in January. If he doesn’t, we’ll be back at this by Easter.


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[Real Emerald]

We still have too many of last seasons failed players. This is due to abysmal recruitment, a cast of thousands recruited and none of them anywhere near good enough for this league. Money hosed down the drain on experimental failures. Until this nonsense stops we’ll still be playing Stevenson, Hanlon, Campbell, Newell and whole host of strikers that can’t score goals.

How many complete failures have we had in the last season or so, Mueller, Jasper, Jair, Bojang and you could add in McKirdy, Youan, Melkerson, Kenneth and even Henderson as well. That’s only the ones that come to mind, I’m sure there’s more. It’s awful recruitment.

[Trinity Hibee]

We still have too many of last seasons failed players. This is due to abysmal recruitment, a cast of thousands recruited and none of them anywhere near good enough for this league. Money hosed down the drain on experimental failures. Until this nonsense stops we’ll still be playing Stevenson, Hanlon, Campbell, Newell and whole host of strikers that can’t score goals.

How many complete failures have we had in the last season or so, Mueller, Jasper, Jair, Bojang and you could add in McKirdy, Bojang Youan, Melkerson, Kenneth and even Henderson as well. That’s only the ones that come to mind, I’m sure there’s more. It’s awful recruitment.

There must be some gems in the championship we could get? Players who have a work ethic and we can develop. It’s been shown in this league that even robust teams like Livi can achieve top 6 with what appear to be limited players.

As it looks like we’ll be missing out on Europe (again!) it will be even harder to recruit players (again!) as the likes of Hearts and Aberdeen already have an advantage over us financially. It is so depressing that last season and this season we aren’t even getting close to Europe given the incentives on offer. Really scunnered with all of this

[allezsauzee]

It wouldn't surprise me if LJ got sacked if we lost against Killie. To me sacking the manager would be like treating a brain tumour by amputating a leg. Our recruitment has been dire for the last 4/5 years and it doesn't matter who the manager is, you can't make sub-standard players into good ones. You can eke out a few more points by playing eye bleeding football and having your players feign head knocks every time the ball breaks in your box but no thanks to that. We need need to stop signing gambles and get some players in where we know what we get ability wise and personality wise. Players with the attitude/personalities of Gray, McGregor, Stevenson, McGinn, Bartley. Obviously 2 of those are still in the dressing room but we need players like that in the team week in week out forming the spine of the team and leading by example. LJ must stay and recruitment overhauled with project players punted

[Unseen work]

We still have too many of last seasons failed players. This is due to abysmal recruitment, a cast of thousands recruited and none of them anywhere near good enough for this league. Money hosed down the drain on experimental failures. Until this nonsense stops we’ll still be playing Stevenson, Hanlon, Campbell, Newell and whole host of strikers that can’t score goals.

How many complete failures have we had in the last season or so, Mueller, Jasper, Jair, Bojang and you could add in McKirdy, Youan, Melkerson, Kenneth and even Henderson as well. That’s only the ones that come to mind, I’m sure there’s more. It’s awful recruitment.

There’s been failures but there’s no way you can influence McKirdy and Kenneh to that list, McKirdy has hardly kicked a ball due to injury and Kenneh has been a good signing and will only get better. Youan is frustrating and Melkersen inconsistent.

For me the issue isn’t signing the young and risky players it’s just we’ve signed too many of them and lack balance.

[Paulie Walnuts]

There’s been failures but there’s no way you can influence McKirdy and Kenneh to that list, McKirdy has hardly kicked a ball due to injury and Kenneh has been a good signing and will only get better. Youan is frustrating and Melkersen inconsistent.

For me the issue isn’t signing the young and risky players it’s just we’ve signed too many of them and lack balance.

Not sure about that. McKirdy has looked miles out his depth and has done nothing to force his way into the team. That’s on him.

Kenneh imo has had more bad games than good. He’s still young, but we didn’t need a midfielder to come in to learn on the job, we needed one to come in and instantly improve what was the worst area of the team last season, especially when he was inexplicably the only one we bothered signing.

[Cracker]

He'll be gone tomorrow.

Oh how I ****** wish !!!

[Hibernia&Alba]

I think if we lose on Saturday the break will be used as an opportunity to get rid of him.

Quite what that will achieve is anyone's guess though.

Yes, we're now getting to the point where we will be faced with a dilemma, sadly. We know we can't just keep sacking managers and starting over yet again; on the other hand, how bad do results need to get before we have no choice? Yet again we are in a right ******* mess, and, as others have said, it can't just be managers alone who are responsible. Something isn't right here, starting with the owner's son being in charge of recruitment. We also need change above the manager, otherwise we will find ourselves in this position every year.

If we lose at Killie, we will be left in limbo until after the World Cup. It's now a must win.

[B.H.F.C]

Yes, we're now getting to the point where we will be faced with a dilemma, sadly. We know we can't just keep sacking managers and starting over yet again; on the other hand, how bad do results need to get before we have no choice? Yet again we are in a right ******* mess, and, as others have said, it can't just be managers alone who are responsible. Something isn't right here, starting with the owner's son being in charge of recruitment. We also need change above the manager, otherwise we will find ourselves in this position every year.

If we lose at Killie, we will be left in limbo until after the World Cup. It's now a must win.

Even with a defeat to Killie, I’m not sure they’ll bin him. But the run of fixtures after the break will probably be enough to get him to the point where they feel they don’t have a choice.

Really pissed off with the club this morning. To be making such a mess of things, at a time when we’re actually investing to a good level, is shocking but entirely predictable with those running it.

[Waxy]

Can we sack players instead?

[heretoday]

Sack 'em all and play the young team!

[Chorley Hibee]

I've come to the conclusion that it's not if he gets sacked, but more when he gets sacked.

The writing is on the wall.

The recruitment department should be departing alongside him.

[Unseen work]

Not sure about that. McKirdy has looked miles out his depth and has done nothing to force his way into the team. That’s on him.

Kenneh imo has had more bad games than good. He’s still young, but we didn’t need a midfielder to come in to learn on the job, we needed one to come in and instantly improve what was the worst area of the team last season, especially when he was inexplicably the only one we bothered signing.

I think McKirdy looked good in flashed, Dundee United and Ross County to name a couple. Both coming off the bench. I think the issue with him is he wasn’t 100% yet and now got another injury.

Surprised about that with Kenneh, I think he’s been pretty good with the exception of a few games. Agree that we needed an experienced player for the role but can’t use that to knock him.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Roy Keane FFS . If you were wanting to make things worse you couldn't pick a finer candidate for the Job. :applause:

I don't think the people that have mentioned him were being particularly serious.

[WhileTheChief..]

New manager coming in to play Rangers, Livi, Celtic and hearts in their first 4 games.

They’ll be up against it from the very start.

Lennon would relish these 4 games :greengrin

[Hibernia&Alba]

Lennon would relish these 4 games :greengrin

He'd be alone in that. I'm sure most Hibs fans are dreading them. I'm already touching cloth about the Killie game.

[Heisenberg]

He'd be alone in that. I'm sure most Hibs fans are dreading them. I'm already touching cloth about the Killie game.

Lennon would be ****ing it for Killie too, sure he’d field 7 defenders again in another display of his tactical prowess.

[Mutu]

Well done, i did mention the very same thing last night but it was in jest. You are the first person i've seen who's said the immortal words, we are only so many points from third.

Next week it will be the same just a couple of points more though, do you see the trend?

Folk were saying the same pish before the last run of good games. At that point we were 5 points off 3rd. I'm not saying we're not a shambles right now, we are. Simply trying to give folk a bit of perspective.

Give him the season.

[Since452]

Are people serious about Neil Lennon? Does nobody remember the floodlight game at Rugby Park?

[big gogs]

Folk were saying the same pish before the last run of good games. At that point we were 5 points off 3rd. I'm not saying we're not a shambles right now, we are. Simply trying to give folk a bit of perspective.

Give him the season.
If we get rid of the manager ,all his coaching staff must follow,that means the departure of sir David gray.can I suggest we have to much sentiment at the club.we have to move on,it’s a sad state of affairs,they gave us a great deal of pleasure that day ,and the following years.I honestly believe the club is bigger than individuals.sentiment is dragging us down.rant over.

[big gogs]

Are people serious about Neil Lennon? Does nobody remember the floodlight game at Rugby Park?
To bring in an experienced manager,he would want complete control of team affairs,would he be allowed that freedom.then finance to clear the decks,then bring in replacements.contracts need to be paid in full ,then pay the incoming players.

[mcfly]

Agree totally huge factor are how poor some of the players are.

How many of those players have got numerous managers the sack??

Surely the manager has to be ruthless and empty out all of those non triers and others who just aren’t good enough.

At least 6 should be dropped for sat and if he selects hanlon and Porteous together for the killie game he might as well just pick up his P45 because he hasn’t got a clue.

Talks a great game but its unacceptable- the goals we lose from pathetic woeful defensive errors are stacking up and the manager needs to address it

[Since452]

Johnson has to be ruthless now for the sake of his job. Sorry but Porteous, Hanlon and Henderson should be nowhere near the team right now. Start by dropping those three and he might have half a chance.

[BT58]

Revert to a back 4, play Rocky and Fish and drop RP to the bench. Can we recall Tait and Bradley and Delfierre ( sp) in January as they cant be any worse than the crap we have playing just now.
I thought KN was available for 20/30 at Dons game, why wasnt he on the bench last night ??
B

[Donegal Hibby]

Quote from Sunderland forum

"I don’t understand how he goes on win streaks like he does then just ****s the bed. He had us playing some fantastic attacking football at times and then others we would concede 6"
And yet Sunderland football club themselves s***e the bed as well when they harshly sacked him sitting 2 points of the top in 3rd place . I'm going to stick with Pepe Guardiola recommendation on him for now and not some Sunderland fan.

[big gogs]

Johnson has to be ruthless now for the sake of his job. Sorry but Porteous, Hanlon and Henderson should be nowhere near the team right now. Start by dropping those three and he might have half a chance.
Why not give will fish a chance,the others are doing nothing.

[Victor]

Revert to a back 4, play Rocky and Fish and drop RP to the bench. Can we recall Tait and Bradley and Delfierre ( sp) in January as they cant be any worse than the crap we have playing just now.
I thought KN was available for 20/30 at Dons game, why wasnt he on the bench last night ??
B

Agree. No time for prima donnas.

[Since452]

Why not give will fish a chance,the others are doing nothing.

Exactly what i'd do.

[I'm Spartacus]

Manager in, we all get hyped, he says some things, excuses creep in, we stick by him, we start to see the truth, we want him sacked, he gets sacked.
Manager in, we all get hyped, he says some things, excuses creep in, we stick by him, we start to see the truth, we want him sacked, he gets sacked.
Manager in, we all get hyped, he says some things, excuses creep in, we stick by him, we start to see the truth, we want him sacked, he gets sacked.
Manager in, we all get hyped, he says some things, excuses creep in, we stick by him, we start to see the truth, we want him sacked, he gets sacked.
Manager in, we all get hyped, he says some things, excuses creep in, we stick by him, we start to see the truth, we want him sacked, he gets sacked.
Manager in, we all get hyped, he says some things, excuses creep in, we stick by him, we start to see the truth, we want him sacked, he gets sacked.

But the owner, board and staff remain in tact.

[matty_f]

“ it is important that I bear the brunt of this because we need to rebuild the confidence in the players.”

No, Lee, that’s you saying i blame the players but i have to tell you that i take the blame because they’ll be upset if i don’t. That’s not taking responsibility for it.

[jeffers]

“ it is important that I bear the brunt of this because we need to rebuild the confidence in the players.”

No, Lee, that’s you saying i blame the players but i have to tell you that i take the blame because they’ll be upset if i don’t. That’s not taking responsibility for it.

His comments are meaningless drivel. More of the same pish he undoubtedly spouted at his 6 hour interview that those in charge of our club were lapping up.

[BoomtownHibees]

“ it is important that I bear the brunt of this because we need to rebuild the confidence in the players.”

No, Lee, that’s you saying i blame the players but i have to tell you that i take the blame because they’ll be upset if i don’t. That’s not taking responsibility for it.

Does he think the players don’t hear/read his comments?

[sean]

“ it is important that I bear the brunt of this because we need to rebuild the confidence in the players.”

No, Lee, that’s you saying i blame the players but i have to tell you that i take the blame because they’ll be upset if i don’t. That’s not taking responsibility for it.

He has got himself in a right muddle these last 6 weeks Matty. A promising start and signs of recovery with a new group now looks very rudderless.

[shetlandhibee]

Lennon would relish these 4 games :greengrin
Spot on 👌👍

[I'm Spartacus]

“ it is important that I bear the brunt of this because we need to rebuild the confidence in the players.”

No, Lee, that’s you saying i blame the players but i have to tell you that i take the blame because they’ll be upset if i don’t. That’s not taking responsibility for it.

Players never take responsibility, totally pampered wee babies, but him trying to fake a cover of protection here is a bit daft.

[green day]

There is no point in removing the manager if we don't have an experienced DoF to oversee the entire operation and remove Ian Gordon from recruitment.

I said this when Maloney went.

We could install Pep Guardiola right now and he would be canned in 6 months too.

Gordon is clueless.......I said that when Maloney was fired as well.

[Paulie Walnuts]

There is no point in removing the manager if we don't have an experienced DoF to oversee the entire operation and remove Ian Gordon from recruitment.

I said this when Maloney went.

We could install Pep Guardiola right now and he would be canned in 6 months too.

Gordon is clueless.......I said that when Maloney was fired as well.

:agree:

Maloney didn’t stand a chance of meeting expectations.

I said it before the season even started but neither does LJ. They’re being set up to fail by the absolute idiots running our club.

I wanted Jack Ross out and I still think it was the right decision but I do have more sympathy with him now than I did back then working under this mob.

[blackpoolhibs]

4 years for Henderson and tavares. That is a sackable offence

If i see Henderson turn his back one more time when he's making a half arsed challenge, i swear i will do time. :grr:

[eastterrace]

Are people serious about Neil Lennon? Does nobody remember the floodlight game at Rugby Park?yeh I was thru at that one and he had efe in midfield first half and binned it second half as we were terrible that day. Easy 3-0 win for killie pity the lights didn’t stay out permanently.

[Donegal Hibby]

Roughly in the last 12 years we have had .
Fenlon = sacked.
Butcher= sacked.
Stubbs = couldn't wait to leave (personally reasons maybe).
Lennon= left by mutual consent.
Heckingbottom= sacked .
Ross = more or less sacked too .
Maloney= sacked .
Johnson = ? ( Hope not ) but probably get the sack if some fans get there way after only a few months in job.
New manager= starts of well , hits bad run, fans want him gone , new guy sacked.
Repeat and rinse. Lennon seems to be our longest serving manager in 12 years if I'm right at near 3 years at us and even him some off our fans wanted him gone too now some want him back . I use to laugh at other teams like Sunderland and Watford for going threw managers willy Nilly but my God what a complete Basket case of a club we have become if we are going down the route of sacking managers under a year into the job . Clubs badly in need of some stability on the manager front imo

[marinello59]

Are people serious about Neil Lennon? Does nobody remember the floodlight game at Rugby Park?

Yes.
He hid that day, we were awful.

[the_ginger_hibee]

Roughly in the last 12 years we have had .
Fenlon = sacked.
Butcher= sacked.
Stubbs = couldn't wait to leave (personally reasons maybe).
Lennon= left by mutual consent.
Heckingbottom= sacked .
Ross = more or less sacked too .
Maloney= sacked .
Johnson = ? ( Hope not ) but probably get the sack if some fans get there way after only a few months in job.
New manager= starts of well , hits bad run, fans want him gone , new guy sacked.
Repeat and rinse. Lennon seems to be our longest serving manager in 12 years if I'm right at near 3 years at us and even him some off our fans wanted him gone too now some want him back . I use to laugh at other teams like Sunderland and Watford for going threw managers willy Nilly but my God what a complete Basket case of a club we have become if we are going down the route of sacking managers under a year into the job . Clubs badly in need of some stability on the manager front imo

Sad state of affairs. Why are players who've lasted under such failure not been moved on? Instead we praise their longevity and say 'every manager can't be wrong'. Well we sacked pretty much every manager in their time so...

[OsiersHibs]

Roughly in the last 12 years we have had .
Fenlon = sacked.
Butcher= sacked.
Stubbs = couldn't wait to leave (personally reasons maybe).
Lennon= left by mutual consent.
Heckingbottom= sacked .
Ross = more or less sacked too .
Maloney= sacked .
Johnson = ? ( Hope not ) but probably get the sack if some fans get there way after only a few months in job.
New manager= starts of well , hits bad run, fans want him gone , new guy sacked.
Repeat and rinse. Lennon seems to be our longest serving manager in 12 years if I'm right at near 3 years at us and even him some off our fans wanted him gone too now some want him back . I use to laugh at other teams like Sunderland and Watford for going threw managers willy Nilly but my God what a complete Basket case of a club we have become if we are going down the route of sacking managers under a year into the job . Clubs badly in need of some stability on the manager front imo

What is the constant in that over the last 12 years (well there are 2 of them), it is during difficult runs like this that you'd expect their experience and leadership to be worth something but unfortunately their defending for the 2nd goal last night sealed the win for Ross County. Looking like yet another manager they will see come and go.

[Alfred E Newman]

Lennon would relish these 4 games :greengrin

Not with this squad he wouldn't.

[#2 Double Tap]

Not with this squad he wouldn't.


:nlgwa

[snedzuk]

The board has a track record of responding to fan displeasure and emptying stands with a change of manager.

The World Cup break might come at the wrong time for LJ especially if we lose on Saturday at Killie.

5 weeks is a long time to look at a league table with the club you own only 5 points above 2nd bottom and a recent record of 6 defeats in 7 matches.

And looking at the next 4 games.

[J-C]

I worried about Johnson very early doors when he treated the league cup group stages as a chance to experiment with the squad instead of seeing it as an opportunity to win a cup, that was an eye opener for me. Then we started the league campaign with a few ups and downs as his team bedded in, we accepted this because of the big turnaround in players, we were playing 443 and it was working fairly well with a the players on the front foot and attacking, which is what we were all craving. The Celtic drubbing has really knocked his confidence and the change in shape for me is purely to fit Rocky into the team but when everyone can see it's not working it's like watching Ross's team against St Johnstone and Maloney week in week out, keep playing the same way and hope it works. If he still goes with 352 on Saturday and we get beat, he deserves to go, that simple.

[familyman]

Way too soon for talk of him losing his job. He will be given games after the WC

New manager again? Possibly but look at those that do recruitment and also the lack of vision BACKED BY REAL INVESTMENT.
We are settling for mid table team by the choices they make...it is clear and obvious ..surely and of course totally not good enough by far.

[WhileTheChief..]

Are people serious about Neil Lennon? Does nobody remember the floodlight game at Rugby Park?


I remember it.

I also remember thumping Celtic and Rangers.

[WhileTheChief..]

Manager in, we all get hyped, he says some things, excuses creep in, we stick by him, we start to see the truth, we want him sacked, he gets sacked.
Manager in, we all get hyped, he says some things, excuses creep in, we stick by him, we start to see the truth, we want him sacked, he gets sacked.
Manager in, we all get hyped, he says some things, excuses creep in, we stick by him, we start to see the truth, we want him sacked, he gets sacked.
Manager in, we all get hyped, he says some things, excuses creep in, we stick by him, we start to see the truth, we want him sacked, he gets sacked.
Manager in, we all get hyped, he says some things, excuses creep in, we stick by him, we start to see the truth, we want him sacked, he gets sacked.
Manager in, we all get hyped, he says some things, excuses creep in, we stick by him, we start to see the truth, we want him sacked, he gets sacked.

But the owner, board and staff remain in tact.


Who got hyped when LJ was appointed?? I don't remember that at all.

[One Day Soon]

Who got hyped when LJ was appointed?? I don't remember that at all.


I certainly didn't. He was for me unquestionably the wrong choice of the two at the time. I've tried to suspend my judgement and to give him and the club time for things to gel. This despite witnessing us:



Being very slow to make signings in the summer when we very obviously needed a clear out
Signing quantity rather than quality
Signing inexperienced players when we needed experienced in key positions
Leaving signings to the last minute and then securing largely mediocre players (remember the McKirdy signing at the death?)
Ending up starting the season without the key signings we needed
Crashing embarrassingly badly out of the League Cup
Failing to develop the high-press high-energy game we were promised
Papering over the cracks with Boyle - a great signing but very much one that just took us back to where we were before rather than taking us forward
Seeing the support being both patronised for our views on the broad direction of the club and treated like mugs over particular issues such as putting recruitment in the hands of someone no more qualified for the job than an actual Sommelier would be
Failing to develop and demonstrate any kind of visible leadership at the club
Appointing our (excellent) goalkeeper as captain. Okay this is very much a personal preference but we've lacked a proper outfield leader on the park for years
Bringing Boyle back - a player who is one of the most fouled in Scottish football - and simultaneously failing to either sign or develop someone even remotely capable of taking advantage of the free kicks he would earn us
In some senses worst of all, the same-old same-old of talking high ambition pish, completely failing to back it up with concrete progress and once again leaving the support feeling like outsiders with our noses pressed up against the glass as we watch a mixture of inexperience, incompetence and indifference cause further damage to the club that we love


Malcolm Gladwell's 'Blink' essentially argues that we are able and constantly need to make split second judgements in our lives about all sorts of things based upon both our own experience and thousands of years of evolution. Put crudely, we learned over 300,000 years to react very fast to situations which could threaten our survival. We also learn to become very good at some things by putting in 10,000 hours of practice. I would argue that many, perhaps most, of us have our 10,000 hours in football between playing it and watching it.

If we look at what is going on and we instinctively think 'this isn't working' then we are likely not simply angry Hibs supporters, in fact we are probably right.

[Bostonhibby]

Who got hyped when LJ was appointed?? I don't remember that at all.Not me either, felt a bit like here we go again, problems we currently have are 20% him 80% elsewhere in the clubs structure, he earns some respect if he turns this round and gets a few more credible signings in next window.



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