Mckirdy

[Donegal Hibby]

Mckirdy is one player that's really disappointed so far , not more with his play but rather his attitude and yet in the last game he played I thought he looked quite good , really hope he gets the head down and shows us just how good a player he really is , definitely a good player there imo

[Billy Whizz]

Mckirdy is one player that's really disappointed so far , not more with his play but rather his attitude and yet in the last game he played I thought he looked quite good , really hope he gets the head down and shows us just how good a player he really is , definitely a good player there imo

Definitely played well when he came on late v Killie

[Donegal Hibby]

Definitely played well when he came on late v Killie
Yeah , looked very lively , hopefully he comes good yet !

[chrisski33]

Interesting article on Harry Mckirdy
https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-harry-mckirdy-opens-up-on-being-a-maverick-standing-out-in-scotland-social-media-storm-and-what-he-needs-when-season-resumes-3940799

Think he should focus on his football rather than trying to stand out as a maverick and his fashion sense

[Donegal Hibby]

Think he should focus on his football rather than trying to stand out as a maverick and his fashion sense
Yeah , I agree with you there , with Boyle out he has a massive chance now to stake a place in the team and show us what he can do . Bothered me slightly that he didn't think his tweet about going back to England was any big deal though, hopefully he gets the head down and works hard and stops the other nonsense !

[JohnM1875]

Think he should focus on his football rather than trying to stand out as a maverick and his fashion sense

He's not trying to stand out as a maverick though? He just dresses a bit **** (I'm 34 so it's probably trendy now) and has daft hair cuts. He's a young guy, we've all been there.

Actually liked the article and glad he's frustrated and determined to make an impact and show how can make the step up.

[Hibbyradge]

Think he should focus on his football rather than trying to stand out as a maverick and his fashion sense

I agree.

Footballers should have no interests outside of football and should strive to hide their personalities at all times.

[B.H.F.C]

Thought he was quite lively in the first half of the Boro game. One of the few that looked interested.

[GreenCastle]

He's not trying to stand out as a maverick though? He just dresses a bit **** (I'm 34 so it's probably trendy now) and has daft hair cuts. He's a young guy, we've all been there.

Actually liked the article and glad he's frustrated and determined to make an impact and show how can make the step up.

Hibs.net the fashion police.

Let the guy dress how he wants. Who are we all to judge ?? It doesn’t matter that he’s not wearing some tacky designer tracksuit that most other footballers seem to think look good?!

Anyway I hope he gets a run of games - he’s the kind of guy who needs games / minutes and goals.

He’s played max 45 mins in 2 league games and 90 mins v Boro.

He plays on Boyles side so he should get a chance.

Hopefully he can kick on and there is definitely a player in there.

[Donegal Hibby]

He's not trying to stand out as a maverick though? He just dresses a bit **** (I'm 34 so it's probably trendy now) and has daft hair cuts. He's a young guy, we've all been there.

Actually liked the article and glad he's frustrated and determined to make an impact and show how can make the step up.
Think he's 25 coming 26 which would probably not be considered that young for a footballer , more a guy coming into his peck years . Don't mind how he dresses or what kinda hair cut he has though did think he could have made a bit more of a effort when coming up to sign for a new club , since then we had 2 issues with him that I think he was wrong in both to do ! Not trying to knock the guy cause last game I liked what I saw from him , I just hope he gets the head down and takes his chance and stops the nonsense

[JohnM1875]

Think he's 25 coming 26 which would probably not be considered that young for a footballer , more a guy coming into his peck years . Don't mind how he dresses or what kinda hair cut he has though did think he could have made a bit more of a effort when coming up to sign for a new club , since then we had 2 issues with him that I think he was wrong in both to do ! Not trying to knock the guy cause last game I liked what I saw from him , I just hope he gets the head down and takes his chance and stops the nonsense

But the only way anyone can label him as a 'maverick' is because of the way he dresses and haircuts. It has nothing to do with how he plays football, he's just like anyone else in that regard.

He's a young guy with a personality, support him (not suggesting you're not by the way) and I'm sure he'll show his worth.

Him and Nizzy will click and start scoring for fun, I'm sure of it.

[ekhibee]

Has McKirdy actually scored any goals for Hibs yet?

[Sir David Gray]

Has McKirdy actually scored any goals for Hibs yet?

Not yet.

[B.H.F.C]

But the only way anyone can label him as a 'maverick' is because of the way he dresses and haircuts. It has nothing to do with how he plays football, he's just like anyone else in that regard.

He's a young guy with a personality, support him (not suggesting you're not by the way) and I'm sure he'll show his worth.

Him and Nizzy will click and start scoring for fun, I'm sure of it.

They linked up a couple of times against Boro. But biggest issue is going to be them getting any service.

[JohnM1875]

Has McKirdy actually scored any goals for Hibs yet?

Nah not yet, don't think we've played him in his best position through the middle yet either though.

Boyles out so get McKirdy and Nisbet up top as a two and at least one creative midfielder in we'll be fine.

[Donegal Hibby]

But the only way anyone can label him as a 'maverick' is because of the way he dresses and haircuts. It has nothing to do with how he plays football, he's just like anyone else in that regard.

He's a young guy with a personality, support him (not suggesting you're not by the way) and I'm sure he'll show his worth.

Him and Nizzy will click and start scoring for fun, I'm sure of it.
As I said I've been disappointed in him so far ( regarding a couple of issues) though really want him to succeed , as I do every Hibs player and I've liked what I've seen of him in his last game and think he could be a big player for us . Nisbet, Mckirdy and Mykola are as good a front line as you will get outside the old firm just need a creative midfielder maybe like a Scott Allan in January . Great positivity from you btw buddy 👍

[sleeping giant]

Yeah , I agree with you there , with Boyle out he has a massive chance now to stake a place in the team and show us what he can do . Bothered me slightly that he didn't think his tweet about going back to England was any big deal though, hopefully he gets the head down and works hard and stops the other nonsense !

What's the other nonsense ?

[Since452]

I've been willing to cut him some slack. He's moved to a higher standard of football to a club where demands are way above what he's experienced at Swindon. It's been a huge move for him not just in footballing terms but relocating to Edinburgh is a big thing too. Hopefully he can push on after the WC break.

[Donegal Hibby]

What's the other nonsense ?
The golf club incident and social media episode. Anyhow as I said hopefully he gets the head down now and takes his chance!

[chrisski33]

I dont get the hype with him though! Fashion aside he hasnt set the heather on fire and think hes been at Hibs long enough to have the chance to show it. Maybe the break of competitive games during world cup will prove fruitful when league resumes and look forward to being proved wrong when he scores the winner against Hearts to knock them out of the cup!

[MWHIBBIES]

I dont get the hype with him though! Fashion aside he hasnt set the heather on fire and think hes been at Hibs long enough to have the chance to show it. Maybe the break of competitive games during world cup will prove fruitful when league resumes and look forward to being proved wrong when he scores the winner against Hearts to knock them out of the cup!

He could be at Hibs 10 years, if he doesn't play matches, we'll never know.

[MrRobot]

The golf club incident and social media episode. Anyhow as I said hopefully he gets the head down now and takes his chance!

What is the golf club incident?

[Donegal Hibby]

What is the golf club incident?
It was on page 4 , something about his behaviour not being all that great at a golf club . Anyhow if we play 3 up front Mykola, Nisbet and Mckirdy don't look a half bad strike force or 2 up of either of the 3.

[Bostonhibby]

It was on page 4 , something about his behaviour not being all that great at a golf club . Anyhow if we play 3 up front Mykola, Nisbet and Mckirdy don't look a half bad strike force or 2 up of either of the 3.Jeez, your not telling me we have signed a player who didn't have his cardigan fully buttoned up in the members bar? Or was his hair combed to the left when the club rules require right parting only in the gentlemen's snug?

I like the guy and want to see him kick on at Hibs very soon, big chance ahead.

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[Donegal Hibby]

Jeez, your not telling me we have signed a player who didn't have his cardigan fully buttoned up in the members bar? Or was his hair combed to the left when the club rules require right parting only in the gentlemen's snug?

I like the guy and want to see him kick on at Hibs very soon, big chance ahead.

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I'm not actually telling anyone anything BH , I've said that since he's been here we have had two issues with him which another poster asked about one and I've told them . He's also had discipline problems at his previous club that's resulted in him missing a game or two for Hibs .I'm no way anti Mckirdy btw it's just with Boyle out now I see a great chance for him to become a regular in the Hibs team and showing us what Harry Mckirdy does best(scoring goals).This does of course means him stopping the silly stuff , getting his head down and playing football.We haven't even seen his arrow celebration yet 😄.
https://youtu.be/p-Yc6bFuW-U

[Keith_M]

The golf club incident and social media episode. Anyhow as I said hopefully he gets the head down now and takes his chance!


He replied to that in the article...

"It was a bit of tongue in cheek but then I saw the reaction from certain fans! I thought that was a bit extreme."

I personally felt some of the reaction was way over the top as well.

[Donegal Hibby]

He replied to that in the article...

"It was a bit of tongue in cheek but then I saw the reaction from certain fans! I thought that was a bit extreme."

I personally felt some of the reaction was way over the top as well.

Probably was a tongue in cheek comment though I can see why some fans would have been annoyed by it and let's be honest seeing as he was just in the door it was a pretty daft thing to do.He himself might have thought the reaction to it was OTT but obviously our manager felt the need to speak to him on the matter . All water of a ducks back now

[Bostonhibby]

I'm not actually telling anyone anything BH , I've said that since he's been here we have had two issues with him which another poster asked about one and I've told them . He's also had discipline problems at his previous club that's resulted in him missing a game or two for Hibs .I'm no way anti Mckirdy btw it's just with Boyle out now I see a great chance for him to become a regular in the Hibs team and showing us what Harry Mckirdy does best(scoring goals).This does of course means him stopping the silly stuff , getting his head down and playing football.We haven't even seen his arrow celebration yet [emoji1].
https://youtu.be/p-Yc6bFuW-USorry, no offence intended, my comment was very much tongue in cheek, usually are[emoji6]

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[Donegal Hibby]

Sorry, no offence intended, my comment was very much tongue in cheek, usually are[emoji6]

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No problem buddy , didn't take any offence to it. 👍

[LancsHibs]

What is the golf club incident?

I believe he passed the port to the right

[hibsbollah]

Sorry, no offence intended, my comment was very much tongue in cheek, usually are[emoji6]

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I absolutely despise golf club etiquette too, it all smells a bit borderline creepy smart casual masonic, so i found your post particularly funny. If McKirdy smashed up the gaff like Pete Townshend and set fire to his clubs and stripped off running around the 18th green, i would think that would be normal, good healthy punk behaviour. So im not a good judge really.

[Billy Whizz]

Is he fit to play tomorrow

[Bostonhibby]

I absolutely despise golf club etiquette too, it all smells a bit borderline creepy smart casual masonic, so i found your post particularly funny. If McKirdy smashed up the gaff like Pete Townshend and set fire to his clubs and stripped off running around the 18th green, i would think that would be normal, good healthy punk behaviour. So im not a good judge really.We talking Plaistow Patricia here?[emoji6][emoji16]

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[hibsbollah]

We talking Plaistow Patricia here?[emoji6][emoji16]

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McKirdy has Ian Dury’s accent, like to see him do that live at Broomieknowe Golf Club, post carvery entertainment:agree:

[BILLYHIBS]

Was starting to show signs of the gallus cheeky chappie in his play on his last two appearances before the break

Hopefully he can kick on and make a decent contribution

[Donegal Hibby]

Was starting to show signs of the gallus cheeky chappie in his play on his last two appearances before the break

Hopefully he can kick on and make a decent contribution
Thought he looked good in his last game , probably world cup break came at a bad time for him .

[Donegal Hibby]

We talking Plaistow Patricia here?[emoji6][emoji16]

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McKirdy has Ian Dury’s accent, like to see him do that live at Broomieknowe Golf Club, post carvery entertainment:agree:
Just admit it you two , you are members of some upper crust golf club and wear fancy blazers and talk all posh ? The anti- golf club chat is a dead give away. 🧐

[Ronniekirk]

He has said himself he came here to play regularly and to score goals To do that he feels he needs a run of games which hasn’t yet happened for a variety of reasons
So if L J thinks there is a player in there that can do the business he needs to give him that opportunity
Or he will be one unhappy player that we need to offload at some point

[HoboHarry]

I believe he passed the port to the right
Uncultured oik.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

I believe he passed the port to the right

Sideways passess will get him into our midfield.

[Bostonhibby]

Just admit it you two , you are members of some upper crust golf club and wear fancy blazers and talk all posh ? The anti- golf club chat is a dead give away. [emoji3166][emoji23]

I've got a club in the garage but it's not used for golf, does that count ?

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[Bostonhibby]

McKirdy has Ian Dury’s accent, like to see him do that live at Broomieknowe Golf Club, post carvery entertainment:agree:Ian Dury, I could go on all day, but I won't.

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[HoboHarry]

Ian Dury, I could go on all day, but I won't.

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Oh come on now, I need some Reasons to be Cheerful.

[flash]

Oh come on now, I need some Reasons to be Cheerful.

Some of the older forum members would have made you smile.

There ain't half been some clever barstewards on here.

[Bostonhibby]

Some of the older forum members would have made you smile.

There ain't half been some clever barstewards on here.It ain't cool, but I'm really glad you came[emoji16]

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[Donegal Hibby]

[emoji23]

I've got a club in the garage but it's not used for golf, does that count ?

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If you have a club in your garage and it's not used for golf , I'm certainly not going to disagree with anything you say 👍😂

[HoboHarry]

If you have a club in your garage and it's not used for golf , I'm certainly not going to disagree with anything you say 👍😂
Pffffftttttt..... a club wouldn't get you much street cred in Texas.....

[Hibiza]

Oh come on now, I need some Reasons to be Cheerful.

Just hope he's " not a waste "

[FitbaFolkKen]

McKirdy has Ian Dury’s accent, like to see him do that live at Broomieknowe Golf Club, post carvery entertainment:agree:

They would need a couple more chefs first, been turned away at lunch twice recently with the restaurant almost empty!

On topic I like McKirdy and reckon he will come good.


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[Phil MaGlass]

He had a good game today, should have passed to Nisbet for a goal opportunity just before they both came off. Great to see McGeadie back

[Since452]

He had a good game today, should have passed to Nisbet for a goal opportunity just before they both came off. Great to see McGeadie back

Thought he was poor and would have had him off earlier. Looks miles off it. Opinions eh!

[Brightside]

Thought he was poor and would have had him off earlier. Looks miles off it. Opinions eh!

Agreed. He should be miles ahead of Raith Rovers level players. He didn't look it to me.

[sleeping giant]

I think he will come good.
Got something different about him
Looks like a Hibs player

[sleeping giant]

Agreed. He should be miles ahead of Raith Rovers level players. He didn't look it to me.

Hoping it was a one off as he's look3d promising recently

[loanheadhibby]

I think he will come good.
Got something different about him
Looks like a Hibs player

Do you mean that he looks a Hibs player as he's hopeless?

[Winston Ingram]

It’s difficult to tell with McKirdy as he hasn’t had a run of games and is apparently playing in the wrong position.

I hope he comes good as if anything happens to Kukharevych we are Donald ducked

[hibsforeurope]

His performance today was almost as good as social media patter.

[sleeping giant]

Do you mean that he looks a Hibs player as he's hopeless?

Aye mate
That's what I mean

[Donegal Hibby]

I think some of the comments about Mckirdy have been quite harsh I think he's looked lively last few games and wouldn't put him as being hopeless , you don't score some of the goals he got last year if you were hopeless, he's probably a confidence player and needs a goal , definitely feel it's away to early to be passing judgement that the guys hopeless let's just gave the guy a bit more time , I do think he will come good btw👍

[loanheadhibby]

Aye mate
That's what I mean

Look I would be delighted to be proved wrong but I have my doubts.

[7Hero]

This is the one of the worst teams we have ever seen and the club behind the scenes is beyond repair. If we dont go down it's a miracle..but hey the hospitality is brilliant and the womens team is doing well, so let's celebrate that 👍

[chrisski33]

I think he will come good.
Got something different about him
Looks like a Hibs player

Tonight should have been the chance to prove he has what it takes. Clearly he hasn't so get him away in January

[bigwheel]

Tonight should have been the chance to prove he has what it takes. Clearly he hasn't so get him away in January

In a friendly ? Is your response a parody ..assuming it is…


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[CL0762]

Look I would be delighted to be proved wrong but I have my doubts.

You have your doubts? I wish you’d mentioned that previously.

[Carheenlea]

This is the one of the worst teams we have ever seen and the club behind the scenes is beyond repair. If we dont go down it's a miracle..but hey the hospitality is brilliant and the womens team is doing well, so let's celebrate that ��

I assume you are in your early teens?

[Forza Fred]

This is the one of the worst teams we have ever seen and the club behind the scenes is beyond repair. If we dont go down it's a miracle..but hey the hospitality is brilliant and the womens team is doing well, so let's celebrate that 👍

‘Ever’ is a long time and I suggest it’s not ‘one of the worst teams we have ever seen’’ but it could indeed be one of the worst teams YOU have seen.

I’ve told you a million times not to exaggerate 😂

[HoboHarry]

This is the one of the worst teams we have ever seen and the club behind the scenes is beyond repair. If we dont go down it's a miracle..but hey the hospitality is brilliant and the womens team is doing well, so let's celebrate that 👍
:clown:

[JimBHibees]

Tonight should have been the chance to prove he has what it takes. Clearly he hasn't so get him away in January

He will come good. Only one at Killie that showed any attitude

[JimBHibees]

I think some of the comments about Mckirdy have been quite harsh I think he's looked lively last few games and wouldn't put him as being hopeless , you don't score some of the goals he got last year if you were hopeless, he's probably a confidence player and needs a goal , definitely feel it's away to early to be passing judgement that the guys hopeless let's just gave the guy a bit more time , I do think he will come good btw👍

Too sensible a post :greengrin

[JimBHibees]

This is the one of the worst teams we have ever seen and the club behind the scenes is beyond repair. If we dont go down it's a miracle..but hey the hospitality is brilliant and the womens team is doing well, so let's celebrate that 👍

Ffs :greengrin

[B.H.F.C]

He will come good. Only one at Killie that showed any attitude

I’d say similar about when he came on at Killie. And I also thought he looked quite bright against Middlesbrough.

But it’s probably a sign of how bad we are when we talk about stuff like that as being positive. He’s shown very little, if any, quality so far.

[J-C]

Look I would be delighted to be proved wrong but I have my doubts.

You have your doubts about all things Hibs

[loanheadhibby]

You have your doubts about all things Hibs

He’s been here since August. What has he shown to convince us fans that he has what it takes? A decent wee spell in an away game to Killie that we lost?

[J-C]

He’s been here since August. What has he shown to convince us fans that he has what it takes? A decent wee spell in an away game to Killie that we lost?

He came a bit rusty, picked up a knock and has been playing in a team struggling with confidence and you expect him to be a world beater.

[Callum_62]

He’s been here since August. What has he shown to convince us fans that he has what it takes? A decent wee spell in an away game to Killie that we lost?Lol since August! He must've played alot of games

Ah yes, 229 minutes or about 2.5 games

Far far too early to say he's great, poor or in between

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[loanheadhibby]

He came a bit rusty, picked up a knock and has been playing in a team struggling with confidence and you expect him to be a world beater.

Apologies, did not realise I had asked for him to be a world beater.

I do expect certain players to make more of an impact tho. I've seen most of the games he's been involved in and I was only making the point, he's not pulled up any trees. Hopefully he will hit form from next Thursday and we see him go on a run of creating/scoring goals.

[loanheadhibby]

Lol since August! He must've played alot of games

Ah yes, 229 minutes or about 2.5 games

Far far too early to say he's great, poor or in between

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So you are in effect, agreeing with my point. He's been since August and not shown anything so far that Bradley/Sylvester/Melkerson for instance could not bring to the team. With all the fanfare around his signing, I was hoping for a better return, thats all.

The big issue is, yesterday against Raith, he offered very little. He has spent too much time gesticulating/arguing with refs/shouting at team mates.

[Callum_62]

So you are in effect, agreeing with my point. He's been since August and not shown anything so far that Bradley/Sylvester/Melkerson for instance could not bring to the team. With all the fanfare around his signing, I was hoping for a better return, thats all.

The big issue is, yesterday against Raith, he offered very little. He has spent too much time gesticulating/arguing with refs/shouting at team mates.

Im not agreeing with your point in any way shape or form

Labelling him as a dud after 2.5 broken up games is frankly ridiculous

Being since August means nothing in terms of juding what he has done on the park - he had his suspension and injury

He has played 229 minutes for first team football (part of which you said he done well in :-D )

Its crazy to me to label anyone as great or terrible after such little game time

I only seen bits and pieces of the game yesterday but he looked one of our more dangerous players to me? Likewise Tavares 2nd half

[cameronw-hfc]

Apologies, did not realise I had asked for him to be a world beater.

I do expect certain players to make more of an impact tho. I've seen most of the games he's been involved in and I was only making the point, he's not pulled up any trees. Hopefully he will hit form from next Thursday and we see him go on a run of creating/scoring goals.


Nah, you were having a dig, as you usually do, at someone you deem to be an easy target. You're on here slating every player, deeming them not good enough after a few games. Give it a break for once ffs. Footballers are humans as well, sometimes off the field issues can stall a player career, sometimes it takes them time to get going, you want them all to be robots and play excellent every week, which wont happen.

How about instead of coming on here to slate every player you can, get behind them for once. Show a slither of support to the team you supposedly support

[Brightside]

This is the one of the worst teams we have ever seen and the club behind the scenes is beyond repair. If we dont go down it's a miracle..but hey the hospitality is brilliant and the womens team is doing well, so let's celebrate that 👍

The women’s team isn’t really doing well. But hopefully improving 👍

[loanheadhibby]

Nah, you were having a dig, as you usually do, at someone you deem to be an easy target. You're on here slating every player, deeming them not good enough after a few games. Give it a break for once ffs. Footballers are humans as well, sometimes off the field issues can stall a player career, sometimes it takes them time to get going, you want them all to be robots and play excellent every week, which wont happen.

How about instead of coming on here to slate every player you can, get behind them for once. Show a slither of support to the team you supposedly support

Cameron, you’re using lazy generalisations. Why not add to the debate instead of trying to curry favour with the masses.

Tell me your thoughts on McKirdy to date? What has he shown you that he’ll bring to the table? What performance from McKirdy has had you on the edge of your seat?

[loanheadhibby]

Im not agreeing with your point in any way shape or form

Labelling him as a dud after 2.5 broken up games is frankly ridiculous

Being since August means nothing in terms of juding what he has done on the park - he had his suspension and injury

He has played 229 minutes for first team football (part of which you said he done well in :-D )

Its crazy to me to label anyone as great or terrible after such little game time

I only seen bits and pieces of the game yesterday but he looked one of our more dangerous players to me? Likewise Tavares 2nd half

None the less, he’s been here since August and played 2.5 games (229 mins). Is that a good enough return? He had a 1 game suspension and 2 possibly 3 injured?

I watched the whole game yesterday. He offered next to nothing unfortunately. He was not alone. Their keeper hardly made a save. It’s interesting that in the game thread there are 10 guys posted similar opinion. We can’t all be wrong & you are always right?

[cameronw-hfc]

Cameron, you’re using lazy generalisations. Why not add to the debate instead of trying to curry favour with the masses.

Tell me your thoughts on McKirdy to date? What has he shown you that he’ll bring to the table? What performance from McKirdy has had you on the edge of your seat?


My thoughts? As a youth coach I often see players take time to get going, so the flashes of Mckirdy I've seen coming off the bench, where most of those games he's been direct and got shots off have given me enough of a good feeling to say hell be fine given time.

Melk has looked class at times, less so at other times. Kidna normal for a 19/20 year old, again, hell be a good squad player that will grow into a starter. I actually enjoy supporting hibs, and supporting the players at the club. Should give it a go sometime, you never know, you might actually like it.

[Callum_62]

None the less, he’s been here since August and played 2.5 games (229 mins). Is that a good enough return? He had a 1 game suspension and 2 possibly 3 injured?

I watched the whole game yesterday. He offered next to nothing unfortunately. He was not alone. Their keeper hardly made a save. It’s interesting that in the game thread there are 10 guys posted similar opinion. We can’t all be wrong & you are always right?I don't know how anyones opinion can be proven right or wrong after less than 3 games total of action

That's what he's played whether he's been here since last week or 6 months ago

As I said part of that small sample of first team minutes you even said he looked good [emoji23]

It might go on to show Mckirdy doenst cut it here or he might be a great player - what I don't like at all is the snap judgement of pish based on a ridiculously low level of minutes played



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[hibsbollah]

instead of trying to curry favour with the masses.


:faf: I don’t think you’ve used this expression in the correct context. You’re on Hibs net not The Marxist-Leninist Theoretical Debating Society :greengrin

[B.H.F.C]

None the less, he’s been here since August and played 2.5 games (229 mins). Is that a good enough return? He had a 1 game suspension and 2 possibly 3 injured?

I watched the whole game yesterday. He offered next to nothing unfortunately. He was not alone. Their keeper hardly made a save. It’s interesting that in the game thread there are 10 guys posted similar opinion. We can’t all be wrong & you are always right?

He’s looked bright in his last couple of appearances but we need to start seeing some quality and end product. We’re saying that about a lot of them. Unless that changes pretty sharpish when we’re back from the break, we’re going to be in serious bother in the new year.

[loanheadhibby]

:faf: I don’t think you’ve used this expression in the correct context. You’re on Hibs net not The Marxist-Leninist Theoretical Debating Society :greengrin

😂

I’m here to voice an opinion. Not to appease every non thinker who see safety in numbers by spouting about my negativity.

Up the workers.

[loanheadhibby]

He’s looked bright in his last couple of appearances but we need to start seeing some quality and end product. We’re saying that about a lot of them. Unless that changes pretty sharpish when we’re back from the break, we’re going to be in serious bother in the new year.

Exactly my point. We need to see more bang for our buck. Is it too much to ask that we sign one player who can make a positive impression most weeks?

What slightly concerns me is that we’re going in to next part of season hoping some of our players can hit a bit of form. What happens if McKirdy shows the same form in next four months as he has in last 4 months? Can we afford to wait on him hitting some form.

[Irish_Steve]

Cameron, you’re using lazy generalisations. Why not add to the debate instead of trying to curry favour with the masses.

Tell me your thoughts on McKirdy to date? What has he shown you that he’ll bring to the table? What performance from McKirdy has had you on the edge of your seat?

As far as I can see, there’s another using lazy generalisations!

[hibsbollah]

😂

I’m here to voice an opinion. Not to appease every non thinker who see safety in numbers by spouting about my negativity.

Up the workers.

True, but I think you are underplaying a Dialectic materialist interpretation of Hibs’ squad development :greengrin

[Keith_M]

True, but I think you are underplaying a Dialectic materialist interpretation of Hibs’ squad development :greengrin


Personally, I'm a Marxist.


I prefer Groucho but his brother, Karl, could be funny at times as well.

[McD]

This is the one of the worst teams we have ever seen and the club behind the scenes is beyond repair. If we dont go down it's a miracle..but hey the hospitality is brilliant and the womens team is doing well, so let's celebrate that 👍


behind the scenes is beyond repair? It literally cannot be fixed? Or just hyperbole and over exaggeration?

[Bostonhibby]

Personally, I'm a Marxist.


I prefer Groucho but his brother, Karl, could be funny at times as well.I think harpo could do a job in our midfield.

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[Eyrie]

I think harpo could do a job in our midfield.

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I think the midfield needs a Chico Charnley type player.

[Unseen work]

Supposedly got a rather interesting interview coming out today..

[Iain G]

Supposedly got a rather interesting interview coming out today..

Official Hibs interview or the kind that will get him in trouble? 😁

[Heisenberg]

Official Hibs interview or the kind that will get him in trouble? ��

Definitely seems like the type that could get him in some bother. To be fair I couldn’t blame him if he’s raging that Youan is starting games ahead of him.

https://twitter.com/ryanwfwa/status/1605364277334134784?s=46&t=Mx-kAq0IHj7iAsQBFyxBoQ

[Iain G]

Definitely seems like the type that could get him in some bother. To be fair I couldn’t blame him if he’s raging that Youan is starting games ahead of him.

https://twitter.com/ryanwfwa/status/1605364277334134784?s=46&t=Mx-kAq0IHj7iAsQBFyxBoQ

Might help LJ's clear out then 😁🤣

[JohnM1875]

Definitely seems like the type that could get him in some bother. To be fair I couldn’t blame him if he’s raging that Youan is starting games ahead of him.

https://twitter.com/ryanwfwa/status/1605364277334134784?s=46&t=Mx-kAq0IHj7iAsQBFyxBoQ

Youan has been awful the past few games but he's still offered more in a Hibs shirt than McKirdy has. A goal against Celtic and a few assists.

Surely just means Youan is doing it in training as well?

[BILLYHIBS]

I would like to see McKirdy over 90 or 180 minutes to see what he can do

Has shown promise and there is a wee bit about him and has a goalscoring pedigree

Youan is a no from me

Still to see the interview but sounds as though Harry is frustrated and might have already worked his ticket

Hope not

[Heisenberg]

Youan has been awful the past few games but he's still offered more in a Hibs shirt than McKirdy has. A goal against Celtic and a few assists.

Surely just means Youan is doing it in training as well?

Youan has been given a chance to show more and hasn’t done anything since that Celtc game. McKirdy has been injured and given about one or two starts since he signed. About time he got a run as Youan has been utterly hopeless for too long.

[Iain G]

Youan has been given a chance to show more and hasn’t done anything since that Celtc game. McKirdy has been injured and given about one or two starts since he signed. About time he got a run as Youan has been utterly hopeless for too long.

His shot and save earned the corner we scored from at Ibrox. So he has contributed

[Brightside]

Definitely seems like the type that could get him in some bother. To be fair I couldn’t blame him if he’s raging that Youan is starting games ahead of him.

https://twitter.com/ryanwfwa/status/1605364277334134784?s=46&t=Mx-kAq0IHj7iAsQBFyxBoQ

Youan clearly did what was asked him of though, hence why he wasn't subbed. If Mckirdy wants in the team he has to show that in training, and make himself a first pick. In his short time on the pitch I've seen plenty of energy but no composure or awareness. I think its clear as day that LJ had nothing to do with signing him and doesn't really want him.

[Tyler Durden]

Youan clearly did what was asked him of though, hence why he wasn't subbed. If Mckirdy wants in the team he has to show that in training, and make himself a first pick. In his short time on the pitch I've seen plenty of energy but no composure or awareness. I think its clear as day that LJ had nothing to do with signing him and doesn't really want him.

I don't get that impression at all.

Let's say the "recruitment department" forced the signing of McKirdy. Why would that happen, given our budget was seemingly already spent? We would decide to spend more money, on a player the coach didn't want?

To me it seemed that the signing of McKirdy and big Myk was a last throw of the dice in the window, given our poor start. Backing the manager basically.

[Iain G]

I don't get that impression at all.

Let's say the "recruitment department" forced the signing of McKirdy. Why would that happen, given our budget was seemingly already spent? We would decide to spend more money, on a player the coach didn't want?

To me it seemed that the signing of McKirdy and big Myk was a last throw of the dice in the window, given our poor start. Backing the manager basically.

Initial interest from us was when Maloney was in charge still! :confused:

[chrisski33]

I think Hibs need to cut ties with Mckirdy. Hes been here since august and yes theres been flashes of what he can do he hasnt been a success

[CapitalGreen]

I think Hibs need to cut ties with Mckirdy. Hes been here since august and yes theres been flashes of what he can do he hasnt been a success

We’ve players in the team who have been putting in poor performances for over a year but it’s the guy just in the door that we need to cut ties with?

[Stuart93]

I think Hibs need to cut ties with Mckirdy. Hes been here since august and yes theres been flashes of what he can do he hasnt been a success

I don’t think he’s had much a chance tbh.

I’d give him as much time as youan’s had before cutting ties.

I’d keep youan as back up until the summer

In saying that, I’d have rather kept jasper, better than both

[Lago]

We’ve players in the team who have been putting in poor performances for over a year but it’s the guy just in the door that we need to cut ties with?
Hibs fans :confused:

[scottish_sleepy]

Sorry but Youan has had plenty of starts and other than one goal and a cut back for Boyle has done absolutely bugger all. He cant tackle, has a touch like a baby elephant and pretty much refuses to use the obvious gift he has, his pace. Harry gets on the pitch now and again for next to no time and puts in miles more effort and fight. More importantly he looks to get shots off whenever he can. If Harry was given the same amount of starts and game time as Youan there's no doubt in my mind he'd get on the goal trail.

[SlickShoes]

I think Hibs need to cut ties with Mckirdy. Hes been here since august and yes theres been flashes of what he can do he hasnt been a success

He signed on deadline day which was September 1st, and appeared briefly as a sub on the 3rd. Between him signing and now, there have been 11 games, and I think he has only started 1, was sub for 7, and missed the other through injury.

I would argue that's not enough to judge anyone on, regardless of how good or bad he may end up being.

[Saint Hibee]

But where's this interview the poster referred to? What does McKirdy say?

[CallumLaidlaw]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHe8kthGrD0


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[JohnM1875]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHe8kthGrD0


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Basically no Hibs stuff at all, which I get seeing as he's just here. Seems like a really good guy though and really hope he can get a few goals to kick start his Hibs career.

[Iain G]

Basically no Hibs stuff at all, which I get seeing as he's just here. Seems like a really good guy though and really hope he can get a few goals to kick start his Hibs career.

He talks Hibs in a few places!

[BILLYHIBS]

Seems harmless enough banter from 1.12 on

Looks as though he is crying out for a chance to prove himself

Bring on the Hearts 😀

[JohnM1875]

He talks Hibs in a few places!

Doesn't mention anything we didn't know about Hibs wise though? Mentions the signing took an age to get over the line and we were interested in him the window before.

I get why the guys who put out the tweet have to big it up, but there was nothing risky or controversial in that interview at all.

Harry comes across really well though!

[dastardly8]

Offers more running and being a menace than players on from the start deserves a chance of starting in my opinion

[Paulie Walnuts]

Well that contained absolutely nothing like the excitement they suggested it did.

[B.H.F.C]

Would start him on Saturday. Not been impressed but he needs a chance. If he can’t get in to the team now, he never will.

[Iain G]

Doesn't mention anything we didn't know about Hibs wise though? Mentions the signing took an age to get over the line and we were interested in him the window before.

I get why the guys who put out the tweet have to big it up, but there was nothing risky or controversial in that interview at all.

Harry comes across really well though!

He did come across as a genuine guy and a bit of a nutter!

I didn't know we had approached him before LJ was anywhere near the club...

[supermcginn]

Sorry but Youan has had plenty of starts and other than one goal and a cut back for Boyle has done absolutely bugger all. He cant tackle, has a touch like a baby elephant and pretty much refuses to use the obvious gift he has, his pace. Harry gets on the pitch now and again for next to no time and puts in miles more effort and fight. More importantly he looks to get shots off whenever he can. If Harry was given the same amount of starts and game time as Youan there's no doubt in my mind he'd get on the goal trail.
He's had 3 assists, more than most in the team.

[Since452]

Far from convinced about McKirdy but I guess he has to start at some point.

[Stuart93]

Wouldn’t mind seeing him and tavares starting out wide against livi. Either that or mcgeady

[blackpoolhibs]

I hope he starts some games, and shows us the kind of form he displayed at Swindon, hopefully its just a run of games he needs.

Saying that, he does not sound that well with the coughing he did all through that interview.:greengrin

[Hibees1973]

Appears to be a common thread with a whole load of guys we have recruited.

The likes of McKirdy, Melkersen, Miller, Bojang, Tavares, Youan, etc may be looked good on film but Ron's sons recruitment team don't seem to have looked at the context which the likes of these guys have been playing in. They have been incredibly naive and stupid.

All of the above have come from lower leagues. In some cases, so low, that I've never even heard of the clubs some of them have come from. Has anyone here heard of effin FC Rainbow.

The sooner all these players, Ron son and his recruitment team are chased out of East Mains the better.

If we had stuck to a strategy of signing experienced players, from a comparable level, we wouldn't be staring relegation in the face.

You do wonder what the likes of Nisbet, Boyle (was here for years before he came back) and Marshall think what the hell is going on. Players just in the door and getting punted only months after joining. No matter how the few quality players in our squad perform there is so much garbage in our squad we have little prospect of climbing up the league.

[chrisski33]

He signed on deadline day which was September 1st, and appeared briefly as a sub on the 3rd. Between him signing and now, there have been 11 games, and I think he has only started 1, was sub for 7, and missed the other through injury.

I would argue that's not enough to judge anyone on, regardless of how good or bad he may end up being.

Tbh all the hype around him before signing id have expected to have played more and not as a sub. Sub 7 times says it all in my eyes

[Spike Mandela]

I liked him in that interview, think he’ll have fitted in well with the squad. Just needs to produce on the pitch now and create some memories up here for himself and the fans.

[MrRobot]

Appears to be a common thread with a whole load of guys we have recruited.

The likes of McKirdy, Melkersen, Miller, Bojang, Tavares, Youan, etc may be looked good on film but Ron's sons recruitment team don't seem to have looked at the context which the likes of these guys have been playing in. They have been incredibly naive and stupid.

All of the above have come from lower leagues. In some cases, so low, that I've never even heard of the clubs some of them have come from. Has anyone here heard of effin FC Rainbow.

The sooner all these players, Ron son and his recruitment team are chased out of East Mains the better.

If we had stuck to a strategy of signing experienced players, from a comparable level, we wouldn't be staring relegation in the face.

You do wonder what the likes of Nisbet, Boyle (was here for years before he came back) and Marshall think what the hell is going on. Players just in the door and getting punted only months after joining. No matter how the few quality players in our squad perform there is so much garbage in our squad we have little prospect of climbing up the league.

You think Tavares, Miller and Mckirdy, who between them have played maybe 5 games worth total, should be chased out and not given a chance to prove you wrong? :dunno:

[Edinburgh Green]

Appears to be a common thread with a whole load of guys we have recruited.

The likes of McKirdy, Melkersen, Miller, Bojang, Tavares, Youan, etc may be looked good on film but Ron's sons recruitment team don't seem to have looked at the context which the likes of these guys have been playing in. They have been incredibly naive and stupid.

All of the above have come from lower leagues. In some cases, so low, that I've never even heard of the clubs some of them have come from. Has anyone here heard of effin FC Rainbow.

The sooner all these players, Ron son and his recruitment team are chased out of East Mains the better.

If we had stuck to a strategy of signing experienced players, from a comparable level, we wouldn't be staring relegation in the face.

You do wonder what the likes of Nisbet, Boyle (was here for years before he came back) and Marshall think what the hell is going on. Players just in the door and getting punted only months after joining. No matter how the few quality players in our squad perform there is so much garbage in our squad we have little prospect of climbing up the league.


Have you heard of Generation Foot, Quimper, ASEC Mimosas?.... They were the clubs that Mane, Mahrez and Yaya Toure played for before a European team took a punt on them. All African Player of the Year.

[Brightside]

You think Tavares, Miller and Mckirdy, who between them have played maybe 5 games worth total, should be chased out and not given a chance to prove you wrong? :dunno:

I don't think we've purchased players that are good enough to progress the squad and push us for top3. Nothing against the players but we keep buying players who lack experience or quality at our level. And its not even a great level.

[SMAXXA]

I don't think we've purchased players that are good enough to progress the squad and push us for top3. Nothing against the players but we keep buying players who lack experience or quality at our level. And its not even a great level.

You’ve hardly seen them play though so how can you make such a quick judgement?

[SMAXXA]

Appears to be a common thread with a whole load of guys we have recruited.

The likes of McKirdy, Melkersen, Miller, Bojang, Tavares, Youan, etc may be looked good on film but Ron's sons recruitment team don't seem to have looked at the context which the likes of these guys have been playing in. They have been incredibly naive and stupid.

All of the above have come from lower leagues. In some cases, so low, that I've never even heard of the clubs some of them have come from. Has anyone here heard of effin FC Rainbow.

The sooner all these players, Ron son and his recruitment team are chased out of East Mains the better.

If we had stuck to a strategy of signing experienced players, from a comparable level, we wouldn't be staring relegation in the face.

You do wonder what the likes of Nisbet, Boyle (was here for years before he came back) and Marshall think what the hell is going on. Players just in the door and getting punted only months after joining. No matter how the few quality players in our squad perform there is so much garbage in our squad we have little prospect of climbing up the league.

Wow calm yourself down to a panic, staring relegation in the face we are 5 points off 3rd and 8 off bottom and we arnt even half way through the season.

[Brightside]

You’ve hardly seen them play though so how can you make such a quick judgement?

If they aren't showing enough in training to get into the team then either they aren't good enough of LJ just doesn't want to play them for some reason. Jair didn't even get in the squad for the rangers game.

[Paulie Walnuts]

If they aren't showing enough in training to get into the team then either they aren't good enough of LJ just doesn't want to play them for some reason. Jair didn't even get in the squad for the rangers game.

:agree:

The argument that we haven’t seen enough of these guys doesn’t really stand up to scrutiny when you consider they’re obviously not showing anywhere near enough in training to get minutes.

We can’t afford to just give every player in our squad 10 starts or something to give them a fair crack of the whip. They need to show in training and in sub appearances to get minutes. If players aren’t getting off the bench or in some cases even in the squad, it’s safe to say they’re not doing that, which in turn suggests they’re not good enough.

[SlickShoes]

:agree:

The argument that we haven’t seen enough of these guys doesn’t really stand up to scrutiny when you consider they’re obviously not showing anywhere near enough in training to get minutes.

We can’t afford to just give every player in our squad 10 starts or something to give them a fair crack of the whip. They need to show in training and in sub appearances to get minutes. If players aren’t getting off the bench or in some cases even in the squad, it’s safe to say they’re not doing that, which in turn suggests they’re not good enough.

Or the people making the decisions on who to play are getting it badly wrong.

[SMAXXA]

If they aren't showing enough in training to get into the team then either they aren't good enough of LJ just doesn't want to play them for some reason. Jair didn't even get in the squad for the rangers game.

That’s an assumption being made, can be multitude of reason for example shape of the team they don’t fit into way we are setting up for games so start on the bench. I’m not saying that’s why as I’d agree they should be making sure they are good enough to be selected but goes back to the original point imo is far too early to judge. Time will tell

[cameronw-hfc]

I don't think we've purchased players that are good enough to progress the squad and push us for top3. Nothing against the players but we keep buying players who lack experience or quality at our level. And its not even a great level.


In fairness to Miller and Mckirdy, both came and picked up injuries pretty quickly which stopped any chance of game time. Miller looked off the pace, but I think hell be decent. He's got all the attributes to be good, just looked like he was getting up to speed. He's still out but due back soon.

Mckirdy was getting more and more game time then picked up a knock that kept him out for 2/3 weeks and was expected to get more game time after the break, we've only played one game so I'm willing to let those two have until the end of the season till I make a judgment. Tavares I think will come good, but is maybe a year behind the rest of the squad considering he's 21 and only played B team football. A bit like how Lee said despite Rocky being 23, he's more of an 18 year old in football terms with his lack of game time. He's come good in his second season with us, so every chance Tavares might do the same. I'd see if there's any champ clubs that want him for 6 months to let him adapt away from the spotlight and see how he is next season.

[007]

Have you heard of Generation Foot, Quimper, ASEC Mimosas?.... They were the clubs that Mane, Mahrez and Yaya Toure played for before a European team took a punt on them. All African Player of the Year.

Good point, hence why you probably won't get an answer.

[Waxy]

Due a start this weekend.

[Billy McKirdy]

I’ve been following McKirdy’s career for a few years due to the same surname, he’s a proven striker who’s more than impressed in the lower leagues down south, I think with the right opportunity (a run starting games) he’ll soon silence all the doubters.

[KeithTheHibby]

Would start him on Saturday. Not been impressed but he needs a chance. If he can’t get in to the team now, he never will.

Yep, up front with Nisbet. Youan doesn’t deserve to start especially after his performance last Thursday.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I’ve been following McKirdy’s career for a few years due to the same surname, he’s a proven striker who’s more than impressed in the lower leagues down south, I think with the right opportunity (a run starting games) he’ll soon silence all the doubters.

Is he proven?

He had a good season last season. That’s been about the only season of note in his whole career.

[WhileTheChief..]

We’re half way through the season. If a player needs longer than that to adjust to coming to us, we should just release them.

Let’s stop making excuse after excuse for all the players we have that aren’t performing.

It’s always something other than them just not being good enough for us.

[basehibby]

We’re half way through the season. If a player needs longer than that to adjust to coming to us, we should just release them.

Let’s stop making excuse after excuse for all the players we have that aren’t performing.

It’s always something other than them just not being good enough for us.
I reckon there's about 350,000 excuses for allowing HM every chance he needs to slot in effectively to our starting eleven.
Your point would hold more water if referring to a player on loan or on a short term deal.

[MrRobot]

I don't think we've purchased players that are good enough to progress the squad and push us for top3. Nothing against the players but we keep buying players who lack experience or quality at our level. And its not even a great level.

I get your point about lacking experience, but i’m not sure we can assess their quality until they’ve had more time.

McKirdy and Millet have both been injured since joining and Tavares doesn’t seem to be able to get into the team, but is still very young. They are 3 players id like to see at least get a chance to prove themselves and they would need a run of games(and to be injury free) to do this.

Bringing McKirdy on with 5-10 minutes to go is pointless.

[WhileTheChief..]

I reckon there's about 350,000 excuses for allowing HM every chance he needs to slot in effectively to our starting eleven.
Your point would hold more water if referring to a player on loan or on a short term deal.

I thought he was a decent signing and I liked the look of him originally.

Bottom line is he’s another striker we’ve got that doesn’t score goals so I’d rather try someone else going forward.

[Brightside]

I get your point about lacking experience, but i’m not sure we can assess their quality until they’ve had more time.

McKirdy and Millet have both been injured since joining and Tavares doesn’t seem to be able to get into the team, but is still very young. They are 3 players id like to see at least get a chance to prove themselves and they would need a run of games(and to be injury free) to do this.

Bringing McKirdy on with 5-10 minutes to go is pointless.

That's maybe were Mckirdy is struggling by not being an LJ "find". He may well have said Yes to signing him but he wasn't a player he was asking for. So unless he is well ahead in training he won't get the chances other players get.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I get your point about lacking experience, but i’m not sure we can assess their quality until they’ve had more time.

McKirdy and Millet have both been injured since joining and Tavares doesn’t seem to be able to get into the team, but is still very young. They are 3 players id like to see at least get a chance to prove themselves and they would need a run of games(and to be injury free) to do this.

Bringing McKirdy on with 5-10 minutes to go is pointless.

We should be able to asses their quality before they even sign. Yet it’s something we appear unable to do. Probably because we don’t properly scout players anymore.

Whilst in an ideal world it would be great if we could give players a run of games to prove their worth, does that extend to every player? If so, we’ll never have a settled team and we’d probably end up getting relegated giving players a run of games so that we know if they’re good enough or not.

We signed 15 players in the summer. If you gave every one of them a run of 3-4 starts that’s 60 starts being used to give people a chance to show what they can do. It’s 1.5 ‘experimental’ type starts a game. It’s not feasible.

They need to show they’re good enough in training and in the sub appearances they get. If they’re not getting an opportunity, it would suggest they’re not doing enough to earn an opportunity in training or when they get subbed on. To me, that tells me they’re not good enough.

Btw, McKirdy has had 5 minutes and 4 minutes but other than that, he’s had half an hour or more in his other 6 appearances. He’s averaging 29 minutes an appearance. As far as sub appearances go, that’s a pretty good opportunity.

[WhileTheChief..]

Whilst in an ideal world it would be great if we could give players a run of games to prove their worth, does that extend to every player? If so, we’ll never have a settled team and we’d probably end up getting relegated giving players a run of games so that we know if they’re good enough or not.


Never used to be required, and every other club in the league appears to manage without needing this.

We only need to go back a few years to a time when we signed players that were good enough to go into the first team straight away and improve us.

It's only RG and IG that see things differently, and a few fans that have bought into their way of thinking.

We've been slowly brainwashed into believing all these excuses, yet they only apply to Hibs. It sucks.

[ekhibee]

Never used to be required, and every other club in the league appears to manage without needing this.

We only need to go back a few years to a time when we signed players that were good enough to go into the first team straight away and improve us.

It's only RG and IG that see things differently, and a few fans that have bought into their way of thinking.

We've been slowly brainwashed into believing all these excuses, yet they only apply to Hibs. It sucks.
Yep, it's starting to look that way to me too. I don't really accept that McKirdy hasn't had many chances, I just feel he's not really performed for us when we needed it. Of course, that applies to a lot of Hibs players recently, not just McKirdy.

[hibsforeurope]

Never used to be required, and every other club in the league appears to manage without needing this.

We only need to go back a few years to a time when we signed players that were good enough to go into the first team straight away and improve us.

It's only RG and IG that see things differently, and a few fans that have bought into their way of thinking.

We've been slowly brainwashed into believing all these excuses, yet they only apply to Hibs. It sucks.

100% this.

Ron speaks and too many take it as gospel.

We've lost the soul from our club and replaced with business people who only look at spreadsheets and databases.

The main issue to our transfer failings, as touched on earlier, is we don't scout players properly (another area done away with due to cost cutting).

It wasn't that long ago a signing would come in and make an impact almost immediately. This seems to be a thing of the past at Hibs these days.

[Heisenberg]

100% this.

Ron speaks and too many take it as gospel.

We've lost the soul from our club and replaced with business people who only look at spreadsheets and databases.

The main issue to our transfer failings, as touched on earlier, is we don't scout players properly (another area done away with due to cost cutting).

It wasn't that long ago a signing would come in and make an impact almost immediately. This seems to be a thing of the past at Hibs these days.

You make it sound like we were signing top quality players on a regular basis before Ron arrived. The truth is our recruitment has been a shambles since we lost the McGinn/McGeouch/Allan midfield.

[CapitalGreen]

You make it sound like we were signing top quality players on a regular basis before Ron arrived. The truth is our recruitment has been a shambles since we lost the McGinn/McGeouch/Allan midfield.

Yup, the move towards a pure data approach to scouting started before the Gordon’s were on the scene.

[Smartie]

Yep, it's starting to look that way to me too. I don't really accept that McKirdy hasn't had many chances, I just feel he's not really performed for us when we needed it. Of course, that applies to a lot of Hibs players recently, not just McKirdy.

McKirdy did look lively in his last game though, against Kilmarnock. He's only had the chance to start one game, against Celtic at Parkhead - probably not ideal for an attacking player.

I'd argue that he at least deserves a chance, and that Youan has had many chances now without totally convincing (allowing for decent moments).

Seemingly when Youan arrived he was immense in training, Hibs and Johnson were very excited about him. I wonder if that initial excitement is now starting to cloud judgment a little bit as his performances have been average at best for a few months now?

[thebausburst]

Folk shouting for likes of Tavares and McKirdy in the team just show how far standards and expectations have dropped 😞

[Stuart93]

Folk shouting for likes of Tavares and McKirdy in the team just show how far standards and expectations have dropped 😞

Or people reckon they should get a decent kick at the baw before being written off

[hibsforeurope]

You make it sound like we were signing top quality players on a regular basis before Ron arrived. The truth is our recruitment has been a shambles since we lost the McGinn/McGeouch/Allan midfield.

We lost these players in Summer 2018 we had 1 winter window (by which time Rod and Farmer were discussing the sale with Ron) between this Ron taking over. Granted that was a poor window but the current owners knew they were likely to sell soon.

[MrRobot]

Or people reckon they should get a decent kick at the baw before being written off

Crazy talk, players should be punted as soon as we sign them without playing a game for us

[Iain G]

Crazy talk, players should be punted as soon as we sign them without playing a game for us

Aye at least that way they don't even get a reasonable chance to prove the miserable ****ers in our support wrong

[Bostonhibby]

Crazy talk, players should be punted as soon as we sign them without playing a game for usIdeally we should sack them before we sign them, saves all this unnecessary angst.

I'll go first, Messi out.

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[Stuart93]

Crazy talk, players should be punted as soon as we sign them without playing a game for us

I’m all for having a pop at our current misfiring squad but some of them haven’t even had a proper chance.

Whereas we’re persisting with some who clearly aren’t up to it

[hibsbollah]

It’s fairly obvious McKirdys going to get a double on Saturday and again against Celtic, just to shut us up.

[Tyler Durden]

100% this.

Ron speaks and too many take it as gospel.

We've lost the soul from our club and replaced with business people who only look at spreadsheets and databases.

The main issue to our transfer failings, as touched on earlier, is we don't scout players properly (another area done away with due to cost cutting).

It wasn't that long ago a signing would come in and make an impact almost immediately. This seems to be a thing of the past at Hibs these days.

I think I disagree with every single line in this post.

"Ron speaks and too many take it as gospel". Nope. He gets plenty of challenge and a good chunk of the support are sceptical about multiple aspects of his tenure.

"Business people who only look at spreadsheets and databases" Just a bit silly this isn't it? The business side in terms of commercial revenues is thriving and increases in our turnover mean more money to spend on the team. A data driven approach to recruitment is the same at every top league club probably in Europe now.

We've stopped scouting due to cost cutting. Really? We will still have players actually watched. I'm sure we also signed players in the past that weren't physically scouted. Not that much has changed.

How much are we spending on our football department now compared to 2 or 3 years ago? It certainly isn't cheaper now. We have signed some poor players and there are improvements required there. It's not due to us taking a cheap route though.

[MrRobot]

I’m all for having a pop at our current misfiring squad but some of them haven’t even had a proper chance.

Whereas we’re persisting with some who clearly aren’t up to it

:agree:

It worries me about younger players making the step up as they will
be hounded after a few sub appearances if they don’t score

[Tyler Durden]

You make it sound like we were signing top quality players on a regular basis before Ron arrived. The truth is our recruitment has been a shambles since we lost the McGinn/McGeouch/Allan midfield.

To be fair to Mathie and Dempster etc, the likes of Slivka, Mallan, Hyndman, Mark Milligan, Horgan all had a decent pedigree and there was a pretty clear rationale for signing them.

Clearly none of them really worked out but the recruitment mess that we've seen in the last 12 months, is much much worse than what went before.

[WhileTheChief..]

Crazy talk, players should be punted as soon as we sign them without playing a game for us


Aye at least that way they don't even get a reasonable chance to prove the miserable ****ers in our support wrong


Ideally we should sack them before we sign them, saves all this unnecessary angst.

I'll go first, Messi out.

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You guys think it's fine that it takes our signings half a season or more to settle in?

Do you honestly not believe we are capable of signing players to make an impact straight away?

Why? What is it about us that makes us special? Look around our league, the other clubs manage it fine.

As for your actual posts, what are they meant to mean? They make no sense whatsoever!

[MrRobot]

You guys think it's fine that it takes our signings half a season or more to settle in?

Do you honestly not believe we are capable of signing players to make an impact straight away?

Why? What is it about us that makes us special? Look around our league, the other clubs manage it fine.

As for your actual posts, what are they meant to mean? They make no sense whatsoever!

Absolutely not, but we have these players at the club now and they should be given a chance before being written off completely. Some of them haven’t failed to settle, they’ve been injured :dunno:

[Stuart93]

You guys think it's fine that it takes our signings half a season or more to settle in?

Do you honestly not believe we are capable of signing players to make an impact straight away?

Why? What is it about us that makes us special? Look around our league, the other clubs manage it fine.

As for your actual posts, what are they meant to mean? They make no sense whatsoever!

Tbf mckirdys had nowhere near half a season. Joined right at the end of the window then the season finished up for the World Cup

[Bostonhibby]

You guys think it's fine that it takes our signings half a season or more to settle in?

Do you honestly not believe we are capable of signing players to make an impact straight away?

Why? What is it about us that makes us special? Look around our league, the other clubs manage it fine.

As for your actual posts, what are they meant to mean? They make no sense whatsoever!

Nope, I'd like them to hit the ground running and do the business for us asap.

In McKirdy's case I'd like to see him get half a dozen games back to back before judgement is passed.

The point of my post was to introduce a bit of levity[emoji6]

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[hibsforeurope]

I think I disagree with every single line in this post.

"Ron speaks and too many take it as gospel". Nope. He gets plenty of challenge and a good chunk of the support are sceptical about multiple aspects of his tenure.

"Business people who only look at spreadsheets and databases" Just a bit silly this isn't it? The business side in terms of commercial revenues is thriving and increases in our turnover mean more money to spend on the team. A data driven approach to recruitment is the same at every top league club probably in Europe now.

We've stopped scouting due to cost cutting. Really? We will still have players actually watched. I'm sure we also signed players in the past that weren't physically scouted. Not that much has changed.

How much are we spending on our football department now compared to 2 or 3 years ago? It certainly isn't cheaper now. We have signed some poor players and there are improvements required there. It's not due to us taking a cheap route though.

That's fair enough it's about opinions.

Some do challenge him but there are many who just go along with his word.

The 'success' of the business side won't last forever if the football side is failing. people won't want to put money in to a lower table club, which we are turning out to be under Ron, it's a downward trajectory currently.

We released a significant number of scouts and community coaches during covid and haven't replaced them in anywhere near the same number.

we're haemorrhaging money on the football side of things through gross mismanagement.

[MWHIBBIES]

Never used to be required, and every other club in the league appears to manage without needing this.

We only need to go back a few years to a time when we signed players that were good enough to go into the first team straight away and improve us.

It's only RG and IG that see things differently, and a few fans that have bought into their way of thinking.

We've been slowly brainwashed into believing all these excuses, yet they only apply to Hibs. It sucks.

They don't only apply to Hibs. You only watch Hibs, so you don't see it happening at other clubs. It happens at many of the best sides in the world as well.

Never used to be the case? When was that like? Have you seen Jimmy O'Rourkes record before 1972, we'd have hounded him out now. Can take even great players time.

We signed many guys who took time to get fully going who done well for us.

[Iain G]

You guys think it's fine that it takes our signings half a season or more to settle in?

Do you honestly not believe we are capable of signing players to make an impact straight away?

Why? What is it about us that makes us special? Look around our league, the other clubs manage it fine.

As for your actual posts, what are they meant to mean? They make no sense whatsoever!

Yes if they are young and making a move from abroad into a new life and new club and the insanity of Scottish football. They also need to be given enough game time to adapt and integrate into the team

[HoboHarry]

They don't only apply to Hibs. You only watch Hibs, so you don't see it happening at other clubs. It happens at many of the best sides in the world as well.

Never used to be the case? When was that like? Have you seen Jimmy O'Rourkes record before 1972, we'd have hounded him out now. Can take even great players time.

We signed many guys who took time to get fully going who done well for us.
Angel di Maria was a disaster at Man Utd and got hounded out (IIRC also voted worst signing in their history) but just won a World Cup winners medal.

[BILLYHIBS]

They don't only apply to Hibs. You only watch Hibs, so you don't see it happening at other clubs. It happens at many of the best sides in the world as well.

Never used to be the case? When was that like? Have you seen Jimmy O'Rourkes record before 1972, we'd have hounded him out now. Can take even great players time.

We signed many guys who took time to get fully going who done well for us.

Jimmy was an old fashioned inside right ( midfield) and utility player

He was hit by serious injury in his early career

Jimmy always put a shift in

Prior to 1972 he had scored 54 goals from 200 approx appearances all from midfield

No one was hounding him out

A fantastic well respected servant to our club and really kicked on from 1972 onwards with his profitable partnership with Alan Gordon scoring well over 100 goals 122:325

[eastterrace]

Jimmy was an old fashioned inside right ( midfield) and utility player

He was hit by serious injury in his early career

Jimmy always put a shift in

Prior to 1972 he has scored 54 goals from 200 approx appearances all from midfield

No one was hounding him out

A fantastic well respected servant to our club and really kicked on from 1972 onwards with his profitable partnership with Alan Gordon scoring well over 100 goals 122:325well said as don’t understand this hounding out .

[Paulie Walnuts]

Absolutely not, but we have these players at the club now and they should be given a chance before being written off completely. Some of them haven’t failed to settle, they’ve been injured :dunno:

I asked you this earlier but you didn’t reply.

How many starts is it they need to have been deemed given a chance?

We signed 15 players. If it’s 4 starts then that’s 60 appearances meaning we’re ‘giving a chance’ to 1.5 players every single game. It’s a recipe for disaster.

See if you don’t get a chance at Hibs, it’s because you’ve not shown nearly enough in friendlies or training to merit it. And that alone is enough to say you’re not good enough, we don’t need to see everyone get 4 or 5 starts or more to make that judgement.

[WhileTheChief..]

Nope, I'd like them to hit the ground running and do the business for us asap.

In McKirdy's case I'd like to see him get half a dozen games back to back before judgement is passed.

The point of my post was to introduce a bit of levity[emoji6]

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Same.

I thought he was brought in to be paired up with someone in a front two but it just hasn't happened.

At least we have Nisbet back.

[Bostonhibby]

Same.

I thought he was brought in to be paired up with someone in a front two but it just hasn't happened.

At least we have Nisbet back.Yeah, nearly said things can only get better[emoji106][emoji16]

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[WhileTheChief..]

They don't only apply to Hibs. You only watch Hibs, so you don't see it happening at other clubs. It happens at many of the best sides in the world as well.

Never used to be the case? When was that like? Have you seen Jimmy O'Rourkes record before 1972, we'd have hounded him out now. Can take even great players time.

We signed many guys who took time to get fully going who done well for us.

Going back 40 or 50 years to find examples, but fair enough!!

My point is, which I know you understand, is that it can be done. RG thinks otherwise.

Mixu, Brewster, Stokes, Nish, Millar, Fyffe, McGeogh, Ambrose.......

They don't need to be world beaters. Just decent Hibs quality that are better than we've got.

We've signed hundreds of them over the years. We even did it with Marshall in the summer, so it's not entirely beyond us.

[SMAXXA]

I asked you this earlier but you didn’t reply.

How many starts is it they need to have been deemed given a chance?

We signed 15 players. If it’s 4 starts then that’s 60 appearances meaning we’re ‘giving a chance’ to 1.5 players every single game. It’s a recipe for disaster.

See if you don’t get a chance at Hibs, it’s because you’ve not shown nearly enough in friendlies or training to merit it. And that alone is enough to say you’re not good enough, we don’t need to see everyone get 4 or 5 starts or more to make that judgement.

Or your injured and havnt got a run in the team? 🤷*♂️

[Paulie Walnuts]

Or your injured and havnt got a run in the team? 🤷*♂️

His injury kept him out of games for a 11 day period. He’s been here nearly 4 months.

To suggest such a small injury has lead to him having such a poor 4 months is a massive stretch imo.

[LeithMike]

We’re half way through the season. If a player needs longer than that to adjust to coming to us, we should just release them.

Let’s stop making excuse after excuse for all the players we have that aren’t performing.

It’s always something other than them just not being good enough for us.

Not sure if this is serious but Martin Boyle would certainly not have been where he is now with this. Some players do need time to adapt, others not. Happens at plenty other clubs too.

I get the feeling McKirdy is a proper striker and will score if we get the ball in the box to him whilst not doing a whole lot else. Like to see him start the next 4 or 5 up front with Nisbet before judging.


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[Hibiza]

That's fair enough it's about opinions.

Some do challenge him but there are many who just go along with his word.

The 'success' of the business side won't last forever if the football side is failing. people won't want to put money in to a lower table club, which we are turning out to be under Ron, it's a downward trajectory currently.

We released a significant number of scouts and community coaches during covid and haven't replaced them in anywhere near the same number.

we're haemorrhaging money on the football side of things through gross mismanagement.
:top marks

[MWHIBBIES]

Going back 40 or 50 years to find examples, but fair enough!!

My point is, which I know you understand, is that it can be done. RG thinks otherwise.

Mixu, Brewster, Stokes, Nish, Millar, Fyffe, McGeogh, Ambrose.......

They don't need to be world beaters. Just decent Hibs quality that are better than we've got.

We've signed hundreds of them over the years. We even did it with Marshall in the summer, so it's not entirely beyond us.

It certainly can be done. Some brilliant players have taken time to get used to a new club and country, though.

Stokes was abysmal for a long time in his 2nd spell. Scott Allan took some time in his first spell.

[Smartie]

It certainly can be done. Some brilliant players have taken time to get used to a new club and country, though.

Stokes was abysmal for a long time in his 2nd spell. Scott Allan took some time in his first spell.

IIRC we were well into November in the Championship before Scott Allan hit his stride.

This is definitely too soon to be writing folk off, although I do think we need to be seeing more from the summer arrivals quite soon.

McKirdy in particular I'd be sticking in the team and keeping him there for 5 games or so.

[MrRobot]

I asked you this earlier but you didn’t reply.

How many starts is it they need to have been deemed given a chance?

We signed 15 players. If it’s 4 starts then that’s 60 appearances meaning we’re ‘giving a chance’ to 1.5 players every single game. It’s a recipe for disaster.

See if you don’t get a chance at Hibs, it’s because you’ve not shown nearly enough in friendlies or training to merit it. And that alone is enough to say you’re not good enough, we don’t need to see everyone get 4 or 5 starts or more to make that judgement.

Tbh i don’t know an exact number. Youan, for example, i would say has been given a very fair chance. I’d like to see McKirdy given the same chances Youan has to see what he can offer.

Tavares has had a few sub appearances but a couple of games starting will give him a chance to show what he has. I think development games would be massively beneficial to him.

Cadden isn’t as great as he’s made out to be and seems a bit suspect at RB so id like to think Miller can force his way into the team. Again, he has been unlucky with injuries so hasn’t had much chance.

The trick is right there not to sign 15 players in a summer. Ideally we need a solid team that we only need to sign a small number of players each transfer window that can push for a starting place and some youngsters that can develop with us. Unfortunately our manager merry go round leads to rebuilding each time and our recruitment policy hasn’t been great.

[B.H.F.C]

IIRC we were well into November in the Championship before Scott Allan hit his stride.

This is definitely too soon to be writing folk off, although I do think we need to be seeing more from the summer arrivals quite soon.

McKirdy in particular I'd be sticking in the team and keeping him there for 5 games or so.

For me, there is a difference between a player taking a bit of time to get up to speed and a player who just doesn’t look very good. Anybody watching Allan could see he had something about him and he just needed to get a bit of sharpness.

Kukharevych would be an example this season. Didn’t score for about 5 games or whatever it was but, again, I think there was near total agreement that he had something about him right from his debut against Aberdeen.

I know it’s always said that you can’t judge a player quickly, but in terms of ability or someone being suited to the game here, I don’t think it takes too long (and that can be in a positive or negative sense).

FWIW, I think McKirdy needs a couple of games to try and get himself going, he’s not one I’d be giving up on just yet.

[Smartie]

For me, there is a difference between a player taking a bit of time to get up to speed and a player who just doesn’t look very good. Anybody watching Allan could see he had something about him and he just needed to get a bit of sharpness.

Kukharevych would be an example this season. Didn’t score for about 5 games or whatever it was but, again, I think there was near total agreement that he had something about him right from his debut against Aberdeen.

I know it’s always said that you can’t judge a player quickly, but in terms of ability or someone being suited to the game here, I don’t think it takes too long (and that can be in a positive or negative sense).

FWIW, I think McKirdy needs a couple of games to try and get himself going, he’s not one I’d be giving up on just yet.

I'd say that so far, Kenneh and Cabraja look like they've got something about them and would be worth persisting with.

We've not really seen enough of McKirdy or Jair to make any sort of comment.

Youan and Melkerson are the ones I'd say we've seen a fair bit of but who haven't really offered that much, therefore it might be time to see a bit more of the 2 we've not seen much of ahead of those 2.

Not writing those 2 off by any means but I just don't think they should be favoured right now as they seem to be.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Tbh i don’t know an exact number. Youan, for example, i would say has been given a very fair chance. I’d like to see McKirdy given the same chances Youan has to see what he can offer.

Tavares has had a few sub appearances but a couple of games starting will give him a chance to show what he has. I think development games would be massively beneficial to him.

Cadden isn’t as great as he’s made out to be and seems a bit suspect at RB so id like to think Miller can force his way into the team. Again, he has been unlucky with injuries so hasn’t had much chance.

The trick is right there not to sign 15 players in a summer. Ideally we need a solid team that we only need to sign a small number of players each transfer window that can push for a starting place and some youngsters that can develop with us. Unfortunately our manager merry go round leads to rebuilding each time and our recruitment policy hasn’t been great.

That’s fair.

Given this is a thread about McKirdy, I’d look at his numerous lengthy sub appearances and question how he’s not been able to force himself a start.

If we binned him in January, i wouldn’t look at him as someone who didn’t have a chance. If’dlook at him as someone who had a chance in training every day and also over numerous substantial sub appearances who didn’t show nearly enough to merit a start,

[Callum_62]

That’s fair.

Given this is a thread about McKirdy, I’d look at his numerous lengthy sub appearances and question how he’s not been able to force himself a start.

If we binned him in January, i wouldn’t look at him as someone who didn’t have a chance. If’dlook at him as someone who had a chance in training every day and also over numerous substantial sub appearances who didn’t show nearly enough to merit a start,He's had 7 sub appearances with a total of 189 minutes or about 2 games worth

He's occassionally looked lively too in they appearances but regardless 2 games worth in sub appearances is nothing

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[hibsforeurope]

He's had 7 sub appearances with a total of 189 minutes or about 2 games worth

He's occassionally looked lively too in they appearances but regardless 2 games worth in sub appearances is nothing

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If your a sub trying to break in to the starting team you need to be either lucky with the player in your position getting hurt or you need to be an absolute stand out in the time you’re on the park. This can sometimes be easier to do as a sub as you’re coming in fresh against tired bodies.
Mckirdy’s not done enough impressing off the bench and in training to force his way in to the starting line up.

[Paulie Walnuts]

He's had 7 sub appearances with a total of 189 minutes or about 2 games worth

He's occassionally looked lively too in they appearances but regardless 2 games worth in sub appearances is nothing

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It’s 8 sub appearances with 234 minutes. However, as far as sub appearances go, it’s been 39, 35, 32, 45, 45, 5, 29 and 4 minutes (not sure if that includes added on time). As far as sub appearances go, that’s about as good as you’re getting.

If you can’t show anything in what are fairly lengthy sub appearances then you’re not doing very well imo, regardless of what it adds up to in terms of full 90 minutes.

Use ‘Big Dave’ for example. He got miles less minutes (76) than McKirdy, offered more (1 assist) and it’s safe to say he wasn’t good enough without having had to see him start games.

[SMAXXA]

His injury kept him out of games for a 11 day period. He’s been here nearly 4 months.

To suggest such a small injury has lead to him having such a poor 4 months is a massive stretch imo.

Doesn’t change my point that it’s too early to write him off.

[bigwheel]

It’s 8 sub appearances with 234 minutes. However, as far as sub appearances go, it’s been 39, 35, 32, 45, 45, 5, 29 and 4 minutes (not sure if that includes added on time). As far as sub appearances go, that’s about as good as you’re getting.

If you can’t show anything in what are fairly lengthy sub appearances then you’re not doing very well imo, regardless of what it adds up to in terms of full 90 minutes.

Use ‘Big Dave’ for example. He got miles less minutes (76) than McKirdy, offered more (1 assist) and it’s safe to say he wasn’t good enough without having had to see him start games.

He was good up at Tannadice and he made a difference recently at Killie. What can you expect from a handful of sub experiences??

He has played nowhere near enough time in a new league to be judged . No logic that anyone would suggest otherwise ..

[hibsforeurope]

Doesn’t change my point that it’s too early to write him off.

Simon murray was here roughly the same amount of time as mckirdy, scored 6 goals, some important ones too, despite this he was deemed not good enough.
Mckirdy has not broken into one of the worst hibs sides in a long time.

He’s had 1 good spell at Swindon and been fairly average to poor everywhere else. How much time does he need to be given?

[SMAXXA]

Simon murray was here roughly the same amount of time as mckirdy, scored 6 goals, some important ones too, despite this he was deemed not good enough.
Mckirdy has not broken into one of the worst hibs sides in a long time.

He’s had 1 good spell at Swindon and been fairly average to poor everywhere else. How much time does he need to be given?

More time than this that’s for sure. I will see your Simon Murray and raise you a Martin Boyle

[hibsforeurope]

More time than this that’s for sure. I will see your Simon Murray and raise you a Martin Boyle

Martin Boyle didn’t cost 350k (or their abouts), he was a project player. Mckirdy should be coming in to the prime of his career.

[SMAXXA]

Martin Boyle didn’t cost 350k (or their abouts), he was a project player. Mckirdy should be coming in to the prime of his career.

Ahhh so it’s the same expectation against his price tag now not the amount of games he’s had to judge?

[hibsforeurope]

Ahhh so it’s the same expectation against his price tag now not the amount of games he’s had to judge?

They were totally different signings. Mckirdy was bought with the expectation that he’d go straight in and make a difference, if he wasn’t he was totally the wrong signing.
Boyle was a project player, playing in a squad with real quality around him. We don’t have that same quality now.

[ddoc]

Does not the fact that he is coming on as a sub in a pretty poor team where few chances are being created to allow him to even remotely show what he is capable off come into play.
The players up front are reliant on having some decent support behind them, and that is pretty much non-existent.
Like many other say, he needs to be given a bit of a run, and we need to see some creative sparks from mid-field for him, or whoever else is up front to have a chance of putting the ball in the net.

[CB Hibs 68]

Does not the fact that he is coming on as a sub in a pretty poor team where few chances are being created to allow him to even remotely show what he is capable off come into play.
The players up front are reliant on having some decent support behind them, and that is pretty much non-existent.
Like many other say, he needs to be given a bit of a run, and we need to see some creative sparks from mid-field for him, or whoever else is up front to have a chance of putting the ball in the net.My take on this is simple.Until we see Mckirdy play from the start of a game and given a fair kick of the ball all this chat about whether he is good enough or not is just nonsense.Personally think based only on reading reports of when at Swindon he can do a job for us .Will make an informed judgement once I have actually seen him play.

[BILLYHIBS]

We also need to start seeing some return from our bucks

Did we not pay £300-350k for him ?

Normally that would mean automatic first choice for us but we seem to be spending that sort of dough on back ups under this regime

Needs to start and hit the ground running

[MrRobot]

We also need to start seeing some return from our bucks

Did we not pay £300-350k for him ?

Normally that would mean automatic first choice for us but we seem to be spending that sort of dough on back ups under this regime

Needs to start and hit the ground running

I don’t think anybody knows how much we paid for him to be honest. It was undisclosed, but the talk was at the time it was a cut price deal.

[BILLYHIBS]

I don’t think anybody knows how much we paid for him to be honest. It was undisclosed, but the talk was at the time it was a cut price deal.
Fair enough

Best I can find is undisclosed fee

Seem to remember Swindon dragging their feet and trying to squeeze more of whatever it was at the last minute out of us 😀