Var

[dp00]

What’s the thoughts on VAR tonight ?

Seemed to be ok, thought the time after first goal was pretty slow , also expected to see more on the screens so we knew there was a var check ?

I’m guessing it’s work in progress


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[I'm Spartacus]

What’s the thoughts on VAR tonight ?

Seemed to be ok, thought the time after first goal was pretty slow , also expected to see more on the screens so we knew there was a var check ?

I’m guessing it’s work in progress


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I thought there was more unrest than expected when things were being checked, strange as have folk not been watching how it works in England? Love or hate the decisions, they were correct, one weekend later and we are getting that penalty.

The VAR branding isn't as good as England, that's a shame.

[Carheenlea]

Looks like every goal is going to be scrutinised in a desperate attempt to find something to rule it out. Doesn’t help with clowns like Clancy throwing cards about like confetti for standard fouls which seems to be out with the jurisdiction.
Not convinced we can be trusted with it in Scotland - the games involving the old firm will be the real indicator as to how it will work up here.

[Glory Lurker]

No likey. I was against it coming in at all and tonight did nothing to win me over.


As OP says, the screens didn't seem to be on the ball, as it were.

If the goal check is going to take that long every time I genuinely can see it affecting my enjoyment of football. No way should there be a doubt over clean goals even while the teams are lined up for restart.

[Carheenlea]

Have just seen the VAR for overruling our penalty. How you are offside when bang on line is a good example of why VAR is basically anti-football.

Great for rules aficionados sat at home forensically examining footage for the mildest infractions - not so good for the fans in the ground wanting to enjoy the football.

[Libby Hibby]

Does any one have the VAR still of Jair being offside.

Also some saying there was a push in the lead up to the equaliser? Was that the case?

[Pretty Boy]

Have just seen the VAR for overruling our penalty. How you are offside when bang on line is a good example of why VAR is basically anti-football.

Great for rules aficionados sat at home forensically examining footage for the mildest infractions - not so good for the fans in the ground wanting to enjoy the football.

I always thought VAR was for 'clear and obvious errors'. Is the edge of someone's sleeve or a mm of knee being ahead of the defender really clear and obvious? Should a linesman be expected to notice that? When you start drawing lines on screens and measuring things in terms of a couple of mm then it seems to me you have moved way beyond clear and obvious.

The issue for me both here and across the game is the lack of interaction with fans. Those who are at the game often have no idea what is being looked at or why the referee has reached his decision. It's incomparable to cricket, rugby, NFL etc. In those sport the screens display the angles the video refs are looking at and fans can see how a decision has been reached. Even an announcement over the tannoy would make a difference.

I don't like it at all in it's current format.

[bigwheel]

I always thought VAR was for 'clear and obvious errors'. Is the edge of someone's sleeve or a mm of knee being ahead of the defender really clear and obvious? Should a linesman be expected to notice that? When you start drawing lines on screens and measuring things in terms of a couple of mm then it seems to me you have moved way beyond clear and obvious.

The issue for me both here and across the game is the lack of interaction with fans. Those who are at the game often have no idea what is being looked at or why the referee has reached his decision. It's incomparable to cricket, rugby, NFL etc. In those sport the screens display the angles the video refs are looking at and fans can see how a decision has been reached. Even an announcement over the tannoy would make a difference.

I don't like it at all in it's current format.

Didn’t the principle of “clear and obvious” work (albeit against us) in this incident . The linesman flagged for the offside without the use of VAR, VAR would have had to overturn it.

[HH81]

I always thought VAR was for 'clear and obvious errors'. Is the edge of someone's sleeve or a mm of knee being ahead of the defender really clear and obvious? Should a linesman be expected to notice that? When you start drawing lines on screens and measuring things in terms of a couple of mm then it seems to me you have moved way beyond clear and obvious.

The issue for me both here and across the game is the lack of interaction with fans. Those who are at the game often have no idea what is being looked at or why the referee has reached his decision. It's incomparable to cricket, rugby, NFL etc. In those sport the screens display the angles the video refs are looking at and fans can see how a decision has been reached. Even an announcement over the tannoy would make a difference.

I don't like it at all in it's current format.

On first review before VAR came in last night's offside would have been deemed level.

Now it's draw graphs, lines and spend ages doing it just to make sure.

They will never show it on the big screen to avoid close decisions and trouble from fans if goes against their team.

[Sir David Gray]

Does any one have the VAR still of Jair being offside.

Also some saying there was a push in the lead up to the equaliser? Was that the case?

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[matty_f]

I always thought VAR was for 'clear and obvious errors'. Is the edge of someone's sleeve or a mm of knee being ahead of the defender really clear and obvious? Should a linesman be expected to notice that? When you start drawing lines on screens and measuring things in terms of a couple of mm then it seems to me you have moved way beyond clear and obvious.

The issue for me both here and across the game is the lack of interaction with fans. Those who are at the game often have no idea what is being looked at or why the referee has reached his decision. It's incomparable to cricket, rugby, NFL etc. In those sport the screens display the angles the video refs are looking at and fans can see how a decision has been reached. Even an announcement over the tannoy would make a difference.

I don't like it at all in it's current format.

The linesman flagged for offside so it’s not a clear and obvious error.

[HH81]

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His hair is offside. 😃

[matty_f]

Didn’t the principle of “clear and obvious” work (albeit against us) in this incident . The linesman flagged for the offside without the use of VAR, VAR would have had to overturn it.

Should have read this post before pitching in. You’re right. :agree:


Though there’s no way the lineman has been able to confidently give that as offside in real time - he’s guessed and got lucky.

[Broken Gnome]

The goal checks on the screen were excessive, better not be normal practice.

I'd have thought the screens were only ever in use when a background check had been done and there was a genuine issue worth investigating. Not for every bloody goal.

[Hibernian Verse]

Should have read this post before pitching in. You’re right. :agree:


Though there’s no way the lineman has been able to confidently give that as offside in real time - he’s guessed and got lucky.

Did the flag not go up really late because he let it run and then was told it was offside? He shouldn’t be flagging if he’s unsure.

[jakedance]

I’m for it at the moment. The standard of refereeing is so terrible they need help.

With offsides I think the simple solution is to make the lines thicker so you’re onside if you’re essentially level with the last defender, which would favour attacking play.

They’ve also got to get the ‘VAR check’ notification up on the screens earlier so we know what’s going on.

[greenlad]

I've no problem with "every goal getting checked" but they need to become far quicker at it so it's less obstrusive. For the 3 goals last night there was nothing worthy of more than a cursory check and yet for all 3 goals, we had what felt a long delay after the teams were reset ready to go again, and the palaver of announcements. That can't be the intention surely FOR EVERY GOAL? The VAR check should be underway in the background from the second the goal is scored and shouldn't ordinarily last longer than the celebration time and the reset. That's how it seems to work in England, there's only extra delay (and the ref called to check the screen) if there's really something worth a further review.

And we don't want the "drama" of screen announcements and tannoy announcements for routine goals, that will really detract. VAR is meant to improve the event, not become the event itself.

Last night I got the impression that Collum's Betamax tapes were chewed - 3 times.

Also, another thing that grinds my gears, last night: 7 subs (in 5 batches), 1 red card, 2 VAR checks all in the 2nd half,and just 3 minutes stoppage time😯

[Carheenlea]

Did the flag not go up really late because he let it run and then was told it was offside? He shouldn’t be flagging if he’s unsure.

Where’s the pictures to suggest it was offside? Not that one posted above surely!

[Sir David Gray]

The goal checks on the screen were excessive, better not be normal practice.

I'd have thought the screens were only ever in use when a background check had been done and there was a genuine issue worth investigating. Not for every bloody goal.

Every goal is checked by VAR, that will happen in every game now going forward.

[Sir David Gray]

Where’s the pictures to suggest it was offside? Not that one posted above surely!

That was the official VAR review I believe.

[OldEast]

The goal checks on the screen were excessive, better not be normal practice.

I'd have thought the screens were only ever in use when a background check had been done and there was a genuine issue worth investigating. Not for every bloody goal.

It's only going to get worse when goals are scored against the huns.

[Alfred E Newman]

On first review before VAR came in last night's offside would have been deemed level.

Now it's draw graphs, lines and spend ages doing it just to make sure.

They will never show it on the big screen to avoid close decisions and trouble from fans if goes against their team.
So while the punters who have trailed along to the game spending their hard earned sit in the dark waiting for a decision on what looks like a perfectly good goal, the armchair brigade sitting at home with their dodgybox watch the endless scrutiny.
It's just another nail in the coffin for me.

[Dmas]

The goal checks on the screen were excessive, better not be normal practice.

I'd have thought the screens were only ever in use when a background check had been done and there was a genuine issue worth investigating. Not for every bloody goal.

Can’t for the life of me understand how it takes so long to check the goal, how long is there from ball hitting the net to kick off is that not enough time to rewind and watch at least twice? it’s as if they waited till the ball was on centre spot before checking the footage, also I was totally oblivious to what happened with the pen until someone on the train told me, my initial thought was mckirdy and jair had taken each other out going for same ball then I thought the ref had given the pen, then they had a free kick.

Communication needs sorting out in stadium the potential is there to ruin it for the fans in the ground being out the loop of was actually going on

[Musselbound]

The goal checks on the screen were excessive, better not be normal practice.

I'd have thought the screens were only ever in use when a background check had been done and there was a genuine issue worth investigating. Not for every bloody goal.

Agree with that. As every goal is checked by VAR I do not see the need to announce that on the screen every time. Suggested that there may be something untoward with the goal, especially the Hibs one where the check felt quite lengthy. Hopefully they will stop doing this as the fans get more used to the checks.

[matty_f]

Did the flag not go up really late because he let it run and then was told it was offside? He shouldn’t be flagging if he’s unsure.

No, they’re told to let it run regardless and then flag (the idea being that an early flag would potentially stop a legitimate goal, so letting the play run then flagging either after a goal is scored or, in this case, the penalty is given means that they can sort the offside after).

I think if the linesman doesn’t flag for offside then we would have got the penalty because he’d not have made a clear and obvious error.

[matty_f]

Anyone got the link for the explanation on what decisions VAR was supposed to be used for last night? They were very specific ones.

Edit: found it https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/how-var-will-be-used

[Irish_Steve]

I can’t wait until Willie Collum rules out a goal for Rangers that is scored as someone heads in from a throw in. The reason being the Rangers player has his foot over the line when taking the throw, something you see multiple times a game lol

[Sir David Gray]

Anyone got the link for the explanation on what decisions VAR was supposed to be used for last night? They were very specific ones.

https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/news/video-assistant-referee-var-qa/

[OldEast]

Anyone got the link for the explanation on what decisions VAR was supposed to be used for last night? They were very specific ones.

Can't find it now but I thought the wording was a bit vague and open to interpretation.

[matty_f]

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/what-are-the-var-rules-in-scotland-where-it-can-and-cannot-intervene-3887674%3famp

Cheers. Hibs had a good explanation on the website as well, I’ve linked that in my post after finding it. :aok:

[Pretty Boy]

Didn’t the principle of “clear and obvious” work (albeit against us) in this incident . The linesman flagged for the offside without the use of VAR, VAR would have had to overturn it.

But that's the point. Had the linesman not flagged last night then VAR would have overturned that and that's farcical. You look at the imagery and there's no way that was clear and obvious. I've looked at it about 20 times and we are talking the sleeve of a shirt in difference between the players. If you watched that in real time and slow motion without daft lines drawn on the screen no one could say that it was obviously offside.

VAR will largely kill the art of a striker playing on the last man. If we are measuring hair and kneecaps being offside then attackers will have to allow half a yard just in case their big toe nail strays offside.

[lucky]

No one in the stadium knew when VAR checks were taking place. Hibs' big screens just show adverts constantly with occasional clips of the game and if not seemed too be up to speed with what was happening. VAR experience in the ground left a lot to be desired but they did get all the decisions right. But Clancy still managed to dish out 7 yellow cards to Hibs including 2 to Maginnis in a game that was hardly dirty

[Sir David Gray]

But that's the point. Had the linesman not flagged last night then VAR would have overturned that and that's farcical. You look at the imagery and there's no way that was clear and obvious. I've looked at it about 20 times and we are talking the sleeve of a shirt in difference between the players. If you watched that in real time and slow motion without daft lines drawn on the screen no one could say that it was obviously offside.

VAR will largely kill the art of a striker playing on the last man. If we are measuring hair and kneecaps being offside then attackers will have to allow half a yard just in case their big toe nail strays offside.

:agree: For me offside decisions should only be getting VAR involved where there's clear daylight between the last defender and the striker. If you can't tell just by looking at a screen for a couple of seconds and need lines drawn on a screen to decide that it's offside by 0.05mm then just give the goal or whatever and move on.

[Musselbound]

No, they’re told to let it run regardless and then flag (the idea being that an early flag would potentially stop a legitimate goal, so letting the play run then flagging either after a goal is scored or, in this case, the penalty is given means that they can sort the offside after).

I think if the linesman doesn’t flag for offside then we would have got the penalty because he’d not have made a clear and obvious error.

Assuming it was a penalty. I was right in line with it and like another poster my first impression was the two Hibs forwards took each other out going for the same ball. Maybe we'll see some highlights later to clear that up.

[overdrive]

The two things that annoyed me were the length of time taken to check the goals and the lack of added time for the checks. One minute of added time in the first half, when the guy next to me went to the toilet a while after the goal celebration ended and he was still back in his seat by the time St Johnstone kicked off.

[Irish_Steve]

But that's the point. Had the linesman not flagged last night then VAR would have overturned that and that's farcical. You look at the imagery and there's no way that was clear and obvious. I've looked at it about 20 times and we are talking the sleeve of a shirt in difference between the players. If you watched that in real time and slow motion without daft lines drawn on the screen no one could say that it was obviously offside.

VAR will largely kill the art of a striker playing on the last man. If we are measuring hair and kneecaps being offside then attackers will have to allow half a yard just in case their big toe nail strays offside.

Remember that Bobby Firmino had a goal disallowed as his armpit hair was offside

[Spike Mandela]

Did the flag not go up really late because he let it run and then was told it was offside? He shouldn’t be flagging if he’s unsure.

If it’s a (too) close call the linesman is meant to wait until a goal is scored, or I presume a pen is awarded, before raising the flag and VAR will do it’s check.

[Tyler Durden]

No, they’re told to let it run regardless and then flag (the idea being that an early flag would potentially stop a legitimate goal, so letting the play run then flagging either after a goal is scored or, in this case, the penalty is given means that they can sort the offside after).

I think if the linesman doesn’t flag for offside then we would have got the penalty because he’d not have made a clear and obvious error.

Don’t think that’s right mate. The offside would be given

Edit - by same token if linesman doesn’t flag and Jair scores it would be disallowed. Offside is final

[GreenCastle]

Felt it was all a bit of nonsense last night.

The constant 1st VAR game nonsense and Hibs being 1st team to have VAR (well saints were playing too!).

Then like others have said..checking every goal?! Like surely that’s not going to happen every time ?!! It’s just rubbish the way they did it.

Having Barrie say VAR check - goal stands is just awful to. Feel for him having to do that especially opposition goals.

Had no idea why our offside / penalty was denied at the time but come on Hibs.net and folk are posting images of the offside line.

The stadium experience has to be better - until then it’a not good.

[Musselbound]

The two things that annoyed me were the length of time taken to check the goals and the lack of added time for the checks. One minute of added time in the first half, when the guy next to me went to the toilet a while after the goal celebration ended and he was still back in his seat by the time St Johnstone kicked off.

Yeah Was surprised only 3 minutes were added at the end as there were also a few injury stoppages in addition to the checks.

[matty_f]

Don’t think that’s right mate. The offside would be given

Edit - by same token if linesman doesn’t flag and Jair scores it would be disallowed. Offside is final

I don’t think offside is in VAR remit going by the guidance unless it’s to check the linesman has made a clear and obvious error, and there’s no way you could say that for the offside whichever way he decides.

Here’s the wording:

When can VAR intervene?

Only in specific circumstances when the VAR thinks the on-field referee team has made a clear and obvious error or missed a serious incident relating to…

• Straight red cards
• Penalty area incidents
• Goals

VAR will automatically be checking these things, so players/coaches do not need to ask for an intervention. VAR will also intervene in cases of mistaken identity when the wrong player has been shown a yellow or red card.

When can VAR not intervene?

In every other circumstance. So, if the referee, for example, fails to show a yellow card (even a second yellow card), VAR cannot intervene unless he/she thinks that the yellow card should be a red card. Similarly, if a team is incorrectly awarded a corner kick and they score from it, VAR cannot intervene.

[matty_f]

Yeah Was surprised only 3 minutes were added at the end as there were also a few injury stoppages in addition to the checks.

The added time was a nonsense.

[where'stheslope]

:agree: For me offside decisions should only be getting VAR involved where there's clear daylight between the last defender and the striker. If you can't tell just by looking at a screen for a couple of seconds and need lines drawn on a screen to decide that it's offside by 0.05mm then just give the goal or whatever and move on.
These shouts are only good when you get them, ball on the other foot and its a disgrace and it should have been given!!!

[where'stheslope]

I don’t think offside is in VAR remit going by the guidance unless it’s to check the linesman has made a clear and obvious error, and there’s no way you could say that for the offside whichever way he decides.

Here’s the wording:
That's what happened, the linesman's flag went up after the ref had pointed to the spot!
So his offside decision had to be verified or a penalty would ensue, it's the main thing that VAR should be used for, to stop wrong decisions happening.

[Carheenlea]

That's what happened, the linesman's flag went up after the ref had pointed to the spot!
So his offside decision had to be verified or a penalty would ensue, it's the main thing that VAR should be used for, to stop wrong decisions happening.

First outing and the things already a total shambles.

Football is going to be the secondary talking point every week now as VAR dominates.

[Helensburghhibs]

I didn't see the linesman flag go up for offside, the offside can be var'd under the pebalty area incident criteria though. Just like it does under the goal criteria

[Tyler Durden]

I don’t think offside is in VAR remit going by the guidance unless it’s to check the linesman has made a clear and obvious error, and there’s no way you could say that for the offside whichever way he decides.

Here’s the wording:

For any penalty or goal they will check if anyone is offside. It’s seen as factual rather than open to any interpretation.

That’s what happened last night. They check that Jair is onside before checking if it’s a penalty

[matty_f]

That's what happened, the linesman's flag went up after the ref had pointed to the spot!
So his offside decision had to be verified or a penalty would ensue, it's the main thing that VAR should be used for, to stop wrong decisions happening.

Yeah, I agree. The question was hypothetically, if the linesman didn’t flag for offside, would VAR have checked it or intervened as it wouldn’t have been s clear and obvious error or met the criteria for intervention.

[JimBHibees]

Yeah Was surprised only 3 minutes were added at the end as there were also a few injury stoppages in addition to the checks.

Absolutely ref was at it imo.

[matty_f]

For any penalty or goal they will check if anyone is offside. It’s seen as factual rather than open to any interpretation.

That’s what happened last night. They check that Jair is onside before checking if it’s a penalty

I think you’re right, and i think that’s covered here:


What kinds of review are there?

There are two kinds of review. Anything subjective or a matter of opinion will be referred to the referee for the final decision. This will result in the referee visiting the monitor in the referee review area (RRA) – this is called an on-field review. Anything that is a matter of fact (e.g. the referee has awarded a penalty kick but the foul clearly happened outside the penalty area) then the VAR can give this information to the referee – this is called a factual review.

Good call. :aok:

[greenlex]

Did the flag not go up really late because he let it run and then was told it was offside? He shouldn’t be flagging if he’s unsure.

They’re not meant to flag until the play has progressed and a goal is either scored or not. VAR would check if he’s flagged. I’m sure in the case of a goal or in this case a pen it would check anyway to see if there’s any reason it’s a wrong decision. He flagged then VAR checked. He called it right. From the other side of the pitch he could have called it incorrectly. VAR confirmed he was correct. Didn’t even get of my seat as I thought he was offside too. It was closer than it looked to the human eye but ultimately correct.

[JimBHibees]

Assuming it was a penalty. I was right in line with it and like another poster my first impression was the two Hibs forwards took each other out going for the same ball. Maybe we'll see some highlights later to clear that up.

Clear pen the St Johnstone player took out Boyle.

[Tyler Durden]

I think you’re right, and i think that’s covered here:



Good call. :aok:

👍🏻

As others have said, not ideal at the game when we’ve no real idea what has happened.

[gbhibby]

The problem is not with VAR in relation to offsides its the offside rule itself. The game is all about goals. The rule needs to be in favour of the attacking team. My solution would be that the whole of the body must be offside so you draw the line in a different manner.When you are moving forward the top half of your body angles forward. This farce of tiny part of your body being offside is counterproductive to what the game is about. I have been advocating this for years.

[Irish_Steve]

Clear pen the St Johnstone player took out Boyle.

But if Jair was offside as he played the ball, then any other action is null and void

[Chorley Hibee]

The problem is not with VAR in relation to offsides its the offside rule itself. The game is all about goals. The rule needs to be in favour of the attacking team. My solution would be that the whole of the body must be offside so you draw the line in a different manner.When you are moving forward the top half of your body angles forward. This farce of tiny part of your body being offside is counterproductive to what the game is about. I have been advocating this for years.

Absolutely agree, the desperation to disallow goals is completely counterproductive to the game itself.

Especially when it's a product you're trying to sell to the masses.

[JimBHibees]

But if Jair was offside as he played the ball, then any other action is null and void

I know I was answering a post which seemed to suggest Boyle and Jair had ran into each other rather than there being a foul.

[dp00]

Hopefully it gets better. I’ve been at games down south and it only impacted the game when the ref came over to the screen to review.

We can surely get better and sleaker with using the screens for VAR checks. I’m sure in England they use the big screens to show crowd what’s being checked but I might be wrong. Maybe that’s not in the remit for Scotland due to some stadiums not having screens

It was the first game so was always going to have teething problems , be interesting to see if it’s better today when there is more games on all feeding back to one location


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[number9dream]

I've no problem with "every goal getting checked" but they need to become far quicker at it so it's less obstrusive. For the 3 goals last night there was nothing worthy of more than a cursory check and yet for all 3 goals, we had what felt a long delay after the teams were reset ready to go again, and the palaver of announcements. That can't be the intention surely FOR EVERY GOAL? The VAR check should be underway in the background from the second the goal is scored and shouldn't ordinarily last longer than the celebration time and the reset. That's how it seems to work in England, there's only extra delay (and the ref called to check the screen) if there's really something worth a further review.

And we don't want the "drama" of screen announcements and tannoy announcements for routine goals, that will really detract. VAR is meant to improve the event, not become the event itself.

Last night I got the impression that Collum's Betamax tapes were chewed - 3 times.

Also, another thing that grinds my gears, last night: 7 subs (in 5 batches), 1 red card, 2 VAR checks all in the 2nd half,and just 3 minutes stoppage time😯

Presumably the ref stops his watch when there’s a VAR interruption, so that shouldn’t be an issue, but for all the subs and other stoppages more time should have been added on, not that we ever looked like finding an equaliser.

[JimBHibees]

Absolutely agree, the desperation to disallow goals is completely counterproductive to the game itself.

Especially when it's a product you're trying to sell to the masses.

Agree with that the rule used to be giving the advantage to attacking teams which has now gone with var

[Irish_Steve]

The problem is not with VAR in relation to offsides its the offside rule itself. The game is all about goals. The rule needs to be in favour of the attacking team. My solution would be that the whole of the body must be offside so you draw the line in a different manner.When you are moving forward the top half of your body angles forward. This farce of tiny part of your body being offside is counterproductive to what the game is about. I have been advocating this for years.

Just playing Devil's Advocate but why should attacking take preference over defending? Both play an important part of the game, how many times have you seen a defender/goalkeeper celebrate when stopping an almost certain goal

[gbhibby]

Just playing Devil's Advocate but why should attacking take preference over defending? Both play an important part of the game, how many times have you seen a defender/goalkeeper celebrate when stopping an almost certain goal
Simply the game is about scoring goals would rather celebrate a goal being scored,when was the last time you were on your feet celebrating a good save or a good piece of defending.

[Chorley Hibee]

Just playing Devil's Advocate but why should attacking take preference over defending? Both play an important part of the game, how many times have you seen a defender/goalkeeper celebrate when stopping an almost certain goal

I get what you're saying, but for me it's the entertainment factor and selling a product.

Folk pay their money to see goals, not clean sheets.

In much the same way people generally grow up wanting to be a striker as opposed to a goalkeeper (I speak as an ex goalie too). Of course there's a skill in defensive attributes as well, but it doesn't sell the product as much as goals.

I'm not talking about blatantly incorrect decisions either, just the ones where somebody's hand/bawhair being offside has stopped what was always a perfectly good goal.

It should be clear and obvious errors only.

[Irish_Steve]

Simply the game is about scoring goals would rather celebrate a goal being scored,when was the last time you were on your feet celebrating a good save or a good piece of defending.

I always see plenty of Jambos off their seats when Craig Gordon makes his usual world class save against us, just saying

[gbhibby]

I always see plenty of Jambos off their seats when Craig Gordon makes his usual world class save against us, just saying
Simple minds like simple things. You don't see limbs when a great save is made. Can you imagine Boyler last minute goal against Hearts being chalked off because his knee was offside.

[Broken Gnome]

Every goal is checked by VAR, that will happen in every game now going forward.

I know, but in the majority of cases that could/should be done without the ceremony of the big screens getting involved.

Games in England restart without everyone standing still for thirty seconds while the whole stadium is told an official check is in play. It should be background unless there's anything obviously worth reassessing.

[GreenGray]

*****, as predicted.


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[BoomtownHibees]

“Clear and obvious” doesn’t relate to offside calls

[Chorley Hibee]

“Clear and obvious” doesn’t relate to offside calls

I know, but it should.

[Bobby's Cinema]

Seemed to work fine last night.

But for those in the stadium, it was unclear when a check was being made - particularly with the offisde/ pen. Unless I missed it the VAR checking on the big screens came up far too late and only just before the decision was announced.

[Eyrie]

Last night was a good example of why people don't like VAR.

It should be restricted to clear and obvious errors, so the time taken last night for the reviews meant they weren't clear and obvious. Frustrating enough watching at home and it would have been worse at the game. Players take long enough celebrating a goal for the VAR official to check without delaying the match any further.

Why was Cadden winning the ball checked for our goal? Far too far back in the game, and St Johnstone had subsequently cleared our first cross which should start a new phase of play.

Checking whether Tavares was onside was fair enough but again it was hardly a clear and obvious error when you look at the pictures and the linesman never flagged at the time. Cricket has umpire's call where ball tracking indicates that part of the ball would have hit and a similar approach to offside under VAR is needed so that the attacker needs to be clearly off. Tavares was sufficiently marginal that it all depends on the frame used.

[Irish_Steve]

Last night was a good example of why people don't like VAR.

It should be restricted to clear and obvious errors, so the time taken last night for the reviews meant they weren't clear and obvious. Frustrating enough watching at home and it would have been worse at the game. Players take long enough celebrating a goal for the VAR official to check without delaying the match any further.

Why was Cadden winning the ball checked for our goal? Far too far back in the game, and St Johnstone had subsequently cleared our first cross which should start a new phase of play.

Checking whether Tavares was onside was fair enough but again it was hardly a clear and obvious error when you look at the pictures and the linesman never flagged at the time. Cricket has umpire's call where ball tracking indicates that part of the ball would have hit and a similar approach to offside under VAR is needed so that the attacker needs to be clearly off. Tavares was sufficiently marginal that it all depends on the frame used.

And with both cricket and rugby, you can hear them discussing what had happened on the field of play and explaining their decisions

Can you just imagine what Willie Collum would be saying "Don't give them the goal because I don't like them" or "I have 2-1 on my coupon so chalk that third off"

[HibsAnnouncer]

Hey guys,

Thought I would jump on and try give a little bit of input on the comms last night to help understand the checks etc from last night.

As mentioned in previous posts, our screens are controlled from a central studio in Preston who communicate with me on each thing that is being displayed on the screen as per the production schedule for every game.

For VAR they have a live feed and comms with the team controlling VAR in Glasgow.

You will have also noticed we have someone communicating with VAR pitchside. They will work with me and the ref on any checks that are about to / or is taking place.

Upon any significant delay of the match for VAR, the referee will be positioned in the centre of the pitch with their finger on their ear and their hand out to stop play, indicating a check is in progress.

COMMUNICATION/DISPLAY IS THEN REQUIRED - ON SCREENS FROM PRESTON - Who receive a VAR feed from Glasgow (stick with me).

At this point, we need to communicate why the delay is taking place, and messaging will appear on screen for Preston to display in the stadium.

Big Screens - switch from normal match feed to the VAR Output.

At this point as the announcer, I am required to read out messaging from the Big Screens.

I must read out the announcements and displays clear and neutral from that point.

I am essentially listening to Preston in my ears informing me to look at the screens for the decision to then communicate with the stadium.

Last night for the first VAR display we done everything correctly in the stadium however, there were slight delays from the studio in Glasgow.

The reason for the delay with other goals as they were checking for incidents within the goals which ultimately lead to a delay announcing if goals were given, I can’t see that happening for every goal at every game.

I think with any new technology this was the first game and comparing to the implementation in England at the start, there is going to be loads of questions etc but I’ll do my best to give context and answer what I can when I see posts etc.


Felt it was all a bit of nonsense last night.

The constant 1st VAR game nonsense and Hibs being 1st team to have VAR (well saints were playing too!).

Then like others have said..checking every goal?! Like surely that’s not going to happen every time ?!! It’s just rubbish the way they did it.

Having Barrie say VAR check - goal stands is just awful to. Feel for him having to do that especially opposition goals.

Had no idea why our offside / penalty was denied at the time but come on Hibs.net and folk are posting images of the offside line.

The stadium experience has to be better - until then it’a not good.

[GreenCastle]

Hey guys,

Thought I would jump on and try give a little bit of input on the comms last night to help understand the checks etc from last night.

As mentioned in previous posts, our screens are controlled from a central studio in Preston who communicate with me on each thing that is being displayed on the screen as per the production schedule for every game.

For VAR they have a live feed and comms with the team controlling VAR in Glasgow.

You will have also noticed we have someone communicating with VAR pitchside. They will work with me and the ref on any checks that are about to / or is taking place.

Upon any significant delay of the match for VAR, the referee will be positioned in the centre of the pitch with their finger on their ear and their hand out to stop play, indicating a check is in progress.

COMMUNICATION/DISPLAY IS THEN REQUIRED - ON SCREENS FROM PRESTON - Who receive a VAR feed from Glasgow (stick with me).

At this point, we need to communicate why the delay is taking place, and messaging will appear on screen for Preston to display in the stadium.

Big Screens - switch from normal match feed to the VAR Output.

At this point as the announcer, I am required to read out messaging from the Big Screens.

I must read out the announcements and displays clear and neutral from that point.

I am essentially listening to Preston in my ears informing me to look at the screens for the decision to then communicate with the stadium.

Last night for the first VAR display we done everything correctly in the stadium however, there were slight delays from the studio in Glasgow.

The reason for the delay with other goals as they were checking for incidents within the goals which ultimately lead to a delay announcing if goals were given, I can’t see that happening for every goal at every game.

I think with any new technology this was the first game and comparing to the implementation in England at the start, there is going to be loads of questions etc but I’ll do my best to give context and answer what I can when I see posts etc.

Thanks for update.

Sounds confusing but nice to hear how it’s done.

Feel for you as seems like an extra hassle to the match day role you do already. Teams making several subs etc.

I know in the MLS the stadiums announced yellow and red cards and it just felt a bit over the top. Only a few stadiums in Scotland have screens and I guess for those visually impaired an announcement helps.

The sooner replays of incidents on screen the better like rugby - I’m all for helping refs but feels like world football hasn’t got it right yet for the spectator in the stadium paying the ££ to attend.

Final feedback which isn’t about VAR - can Hibs do something else at half time - even birthday announcements with pictures on screen or mini games etc on pitch. Would be good to have a countdown timer pre-match and half time - time till kick off / 2nd half restart. Plus think Hibs women prefer Hibs women rather than ladies. The rest of it was pretty good - really like player announcements on advertising boards / screen - looks smart.

[gbhibby]

Hey guys,

Thought I would jump on and try give a little bit of input on the comms last night to help understand the checks etc from last night.

As mentioned in previous posts, our screens are controlled from a central studio in Preston who communicate with me on each thing that is being displayed on the screen as per the production schedule for every game.

For VAR they have a live feed and comms with the team controlling VAR in Glasgow.

You will have also noticed we have someone communicating with VAR pitchside. They will work with me and the ref on any checks that are about to / or is taking place.

Upon any significant delay of the match for VAR, the referee will be positioned in the centre of the pitch with their finger on their ear and their hand out to stop play, indicating a check is in progress.

COMMUNICATION/DISPLAY IS THEN REQUIRED - ON SCREENS FROM PRESTON - Who receive a VAR feed from Glasgow (stick with me).

At this point, we need to communicate why the delay is taking place, and messaging will appear on screen for Preston to display in the stadium.

Big Screens - switch from normal match feed to the VAR Output.

At this point as the announcer, I am required to read out messaging from the Big Screens.

I must read out the announcements and displays clear and neutral from that point.

I am essentially listening to Preston in my ears informing me to look at the screens for the decision to then communicate with the stadium.

Last night for the first VAR display we done everything correctly in the stadium however, there were slight delays from the studio in Glasgow.

The reason for the delay with other goals as they were checking for incidents within the goals which ultimately lead to a delay announcing if goals were given, I can’t see that happening for every goal at every game.

I think with any new technology this was the first game and comparing to the implementation in England at the start, there is going to be loads of questions etc but I’ll do my best to give context and answer what I can when I see posts etc.
Thanks I am sure we will get used to it and things will run smoothly as with anything new you have teething problems.

[greenlex]

Hey guys,

Thought I would jump on and try give a little bit of input on the comms last night to help understand the checks etc from last night.

As mentioned in previous posts, our screens are controlled from a central studio in Preston who communicate with me on each thing that is being displayed on the screen as per the production schedule for every game.

For VAR they have a live feed and comms with the team controlling VAR in Glasgow.

You will have also noticed we have someone communicating with VAR pitchside. They will work with me and the ref on any checks that are about to / or is taking place.

Upon any significant delay of the match for VAR, the referee will be positioned in the centre of the pitch with their finger on their ear and their hand out to stop play, indicating a check is in progress.

COMMUNICATION/DISPLAY IS THEN REQUIRED - ON SCREENS FROM PRESTON - Who receive a VAR feed from Glasgow (stick with me).

At this point, we need to communicate why the delay is taking place, and messaging will appear on screen for Preston to display in the stadium.

Big Screens - switch from normal match feed to the VAR Output.

At this point as the announcer, I am required to read out messaging from the Big Screens.

I must read out the announcements and displays clear and neutral from that point.

I am essentially listening to Preston in my ears informing me to look at the screens for the decision to then communicate with the stadium.

Last night for the first VAR display we done everything correctly in the stadium however, there were slight delays from the studio in Glasgow.

The reason for the delay with other goals as they were checking for incidents within the goals which ultimately lead to a delay announcing if goals were given, I can’t see that happening for every goal at every game.

I think with any new technology this was the first game and comparing to the implementation in England at the start, there is going to be loads of questions etc but I’ll do my best to give context and answer what I can when I see posts etc.
As long as it’s no Alan (biscuits) Preston.
As an aside if we are continuing with the rainbow colour scheme on the clock the numbers need to be black. Almost unreadable from the west.

[TAHibby]

Overall glad of its inclusion but the offside process needs a big overhaul. If the linesman has actually flagged for offside before any var comms then they've clearly just brought out the inaccurate angle with ambiguous lines to try and justify the decision. The original offside rule in football isn't compatible with the modern setup unless the linesman has made a real hash of it and there's a clear error. There's no definitive conclusion that can be drawn from the image they've used, therefore benefit of the doubt should go to the attacker if we're going to trundle on with the way it is at the moment

[Trinity Hibee]

Last night was a good example of why people don't like VAR.

It should be restricted to clear and obvious errors, so the time taken last night for the reviews meant they weren't clear and obvious. Frustrating enough watching at home and it would have been worse at the game. Players take long enough celebrating a goal for the VAR official to check without delaying the match any further.

Why was Cadden winning the ball checked for our goal? Far too far back in the game, and St Johnstone had subsequently cleared our first cross which should start a new phase of play.

Checking whether Tavares was onside was fair enough but again it was hardly a clear and obvious error when you look at the pictures and the linesman never flagged at the time. Cricket has umpire's call where ball tracking indicates that part of the ball would have hit and a similar approach to offside under VAR is needed so that the attacker needs to be clearly off. Tavares was sufficiently marginal that it all depends on the frame used.

Yeah I must say it looked clear as day that all of the goals should have stood at the game. I’m still not sure what was being checking at the goals but it killed any enjoyment you get of scoring a goal to be honest. Obviously we all want the correct decisions but this is one of the downsides to it.

[Up-the-slope]

Looks like I'm in the minority - I though officials got decisions right and Clancy was decent. (not his fault that he cant KO until goal checked)

the 4 times VAR can intervene are set and clear. I do agree that as not just the goal 'split second' is checked but the entire phase of build up play too did make check time seem a bit prolonged, but it does depend on how long phase of play leading to was (in case of our goal it started with us winning ball with a tackle so that would need to be checked it was not a foul)

offside was clear as linesman flagged (again as per new rule that phase of play has to finish before he can raise flag - in any case Var will check BUT intervene only if error)

We got beat not because of Var / ref etc but because



Once again we failed to get goals that possession and chances should have brought
we were too passive at start of second half and let ST back into game (some credit to them as extra forward HT sub gave them outlet)
an individual error challenging for a ball that was not crucial / winnable when on a recent yellow
shocking defending AGAIN at 2 cross balls - not Ryans finest moments.


plenty positive stuff in first half but our balloons seems all too easy to pop at the moment

[Irish_Steve]

As long as it’s no Alan (biscuits) Preston.
As an aside if we are continuing with the rainbow colour scheme on the clock the numbers need to be black. Almost unreadable from the west.

It's Pride Weekend in football so it should be back to "normal" next week

I actually liked it and anything that raises awareness is fine by me

[Sir David Gray]

These shouts are only good when you get them, ball on the other foot and its a disgrace and it should have been given!!!

I'd have taken it if it was the other way about but I'd have said the same thing. For me if you need to draw lines on a screen to determine whether it's offside or not then just let it go.

[Up-the-slope]

Hey guys,

Thought I would jump on and try give a little bit of input on the comms last night to help understand the checks etc from last night.

As mentioned in previous posts, our screens are controlled from a central studio in Preston who communicate with me on each thing that is being displayed on the screen as per the production schedule for every game.

For VAR they have a live feed and comms with the team controlling VAR in Glasgow.

You will have also noticed we have someone communicating with VAR pitchside. They will work with me and the ref on any checks that are about to / or is taking place.

Upon any significant delay of the match for VAR, the referee will be positioned in the centre of the pitch with their finger on their ear and their hand out to stop play, indicating a check is in progress.

COMMUNICATION/DISPLAY IS THEN REQUIRED - ON SCREENS FROM PRESTON - Who receive a VAR feed from Glasgow (stick with me).

At this point, we need to communicate why the delay is taking place, and messaging will appear on screen for Preston to display in the stadium.

Big Screens - switch from normal match feed to the VAR Output.

At this point as the announcer, I am required to read out messaging from the Big Screens.

I must read out the announcements and displays clear and neutral from that point.

I am essentially listening to Preston in my ears informing me to look at the screens for the decision to then communicate with the stadium.

Last night for the first VAR display we done everything correctly in the stadium however, there were slight delays from the studio in Glasgow.

The reason for the delay with other goals as they were checking for incidents within the goals which ultimately lead to a delay announcing if goals were given, I can’t see that happening for every goal at every game.

I think with any new technology this was the first game and comparing to the implementation in England at the start, there is going to be loads of questions etc but I’ll do my best to give context and answer what I can when I see posts etc.

Thanks helpful to get bit more insight

[GreenCastle]

They just had a VAR check in Hearts v Celtic game and was 1 min 30 seconds to check the decision the ref got right.

Going to need to improve as far too slow so far.

[Trinity Hibee]

They just had a VAR check in Hearts v Celtic game and was 1 min 30 seconds to check the decision the ref got right.

Going to need to improve as far too slow so far.

The ref also blew far too early. Has to let the attack unfold and then decide if it should count.

He blew so early that there’s no way a goal could have been given there even if he was wrong

[Irish_Steve]

They just had a VAR check in Hearts v Celtic game and was 1 min 30 seconds to check the decision the ref got right.

Going to need to improve as far too slow so far.

I wonder if anyone has ever timed the VAR dealys during a game to see if added time even comes close. We had three VAR's in the second half yesterday, a good few subs and still only had three minutes of injury time

[GreenCastle]

Hey guys,

Thought I would jump on and try give a little bit of input on the comms last night to help understand the checks etc from last night.

As mentioned in previous posts, our screens are controlled from a central studio in Preston who communicate with me on each thing that is being displayed on the screen as per the production schedule for every game.

For VAR they have a live feed and comms with the team controlling VAR in Glasgow.

You will have also noticed we have someone communicating with VAR pitchside. They will work with me and the ref on any checks that are about to / or is taking place.

Upon any significant delay of the match for VAR, the referee will be positioned in the centre of the pitch with their finger on their ear and their hand out to stop play, indicating a check is in progress.

COMMUNICATION/DISPLAY IS THEN REQUIRED - ON SCREENS FROM PRESTON - Who receive a VAR feed from Glasgow (stick with me).

At this point, we need to communicate why the delay is taking place, and messaging will appear on screen for Preston to display in the stadium.

Big Screens - switch from normal match feed to the VAR Output.

At this point as the announcer, I am required to read out messaging from the Big Screens.

I must read out the announcements and displays clear and neutral from that point.

I am essentially listening to Preston in my ears informing me to look at the screens for the decision to then communicate with the stadium.

Last night for the first VAR display we done everything correctly in the stadium however, there were slight delays from the studio in Glasgow.

The reason for the delay with other goals as they were checking for incidents within the goals which ultimately lead to a delay announcing if goals were given, I can’t see that happening for every goal at every game.

I think with any new technology this was the first game and comparing to the implementation in England at the start, there is going to be loads of questions etc but I’ll do my best to give context and answer what I can when I see posts etc.

Does every club have to announce VAR outcome ?

Not hearing them at Hearts games ?

[Sir David Gray]

I wonder if anyone has ever timed the VAR dealys during a game to see if added time even comes close. We had three VAR's in the second half yesterday, a good few subs and still only had three minutes of injury time

The time added on hasn't ever come close to how long the stoppages lasted before VAR came into force so it will be even less now.

There should have been more than 30 minutes added on before VAR came in but the average is usually about 4 or 5 minutes.

[BoomtownHibees]

The time added on hasn't ever come close to how long the stoppages lasted before VAR came into force so it will be even less now.

There should have been more than 30 minutes added on before VAR came in but the average is usually about 4 or 5 minutes.

Some length of game that would be

[gbhibby]

After the Hearts game it will be VAR trial by Soccerscene. VAR is only as good as those who are reviewing in the booth.

[Phil MaGlass]

There was a 100% pen against the hertz hit the defender, stonewall, not given by VAR.

[HibsAnnouncer]

The guidelines state that we should yes.


Does every club have to announce VAR outcome ?

Not hearing them at Hearts games ?

[matty_f]

The time added on hasn't ever come close to how long the stoppages lasted before VAR came into force so it will be even less now.

There should have been more than 30 minutes added on before VAR came in but the average is usually about 4 or 5 minutes.

One of the speakers on Twitter earlier had timed the period that the ball was out of play last night and it was 35 minutes.

The stoppage time yesterday was a joke. 3 minutes added on and that was despite the VAR checks, substitutions and various injuries.

[Irish_Steve]

One of the speakers on Twitter earlier had timed the period that the ball was out of play last night and it was 35 minutes.

The stoppage time yesterday was a joke. 3 minutes added on and that was despite the VAR checks, substitutions and various injuries.

The average time the ball is actually in play in the EPL is 55/56 mins!

[A Hi-Bee]

VAR the new savior of the money making game, it is the equivalent to the frigen millennium bug, just a big con, sold by some snake oil salesmen.
This is not spontaneous football with all its mistaken human elements so we just cannot say now that decisions will even themselves out over a season. The game is goosed.
:aok:

[Carheenlea]

VAR the new savior of the money making game, it is the equivalent to the frigen millennium bug, just a big con, sold by some snake oil salesmen.
This is not spontaneous football with all its mistaken human elements so we just cannot say now that decisions will even themselves out over a season. The game is goosed.
:aok:

Sterilisation of the sport

[eastterrace]

After last night and watching hearts v Celtic today I can see me eventually not going back to watch football if VAR keeps up how it’s going with so long stoppages and some decisions giving and some not. it’s taken away the spontaneity of it all.

[dp00]

After last night and watching hearts v Celtic today I can see me eventually not going back to watch football if VAR keeps up how it’s going with so long stoppages and some decisions giving and some not. it’s taken away the spontaneity of it all.

I didn’t enjoy it last night because it was slow, watched hearts v Celtic and it was exactly the same , seemed to take an age

Compare it to the city game I’m watching and you don’t even know it’s there


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[matty_f]

I didn’t enjoy it last night because it was slow, watched hearts v Celtic and it was exactly the same , seemed to take an age

Compare it to the city game I’m watching and you don’t even know it’s there


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
They did say they expected it to be horrendous to start with but it’ll improve with use.

Here’s hoping, because it was way too slow last night.

[Hibbyradge]

They did say they expected it to be horrendous to start with but it’ll improve with use.

Here’s hoping, because it was way too slow last night.

Yes, the VAR folk will be desperate to get decisions right so they'll look at more replays than they really need to. Once they get used to the system, things should speed up.

Having said that, it sounds as if they made an error with the Celtic hand ball claim, but I didn't see it so can't venture an opinion.

[matty_f]

Yes, the VAR folk will be desperate to get decisions right so they'll look at more replays than they really need to. Once they get used to the system, things should speed up.

Having said that, it sounds as if they made an error with the Celtic hand ball claim, but I didn't see it so can't venture an opinion.

They played a blinder at Ibrox. Well, they got Rangers a point and did nothing to convince folk that the game’s not bent up here.

[Hibbyradge]

They played a blinder at Ibrox. Well, they got Rangers a point and did nothing to convince folk that the game’s not bent up here.

The thing is, it wasn't the VAR folk who fouled Morellos. Again, I didn't see the incident so I can't say if the red card was justified or not.

[Colinton Hibby]

VAR is fine, the problem we have is that its the same old clowns who are using it. Last night I still think the Boyle one is a penalty, their first goal is a push on Porto and Jair’s hair should not be judged as offside. All that aside they got everything right.

[heretoday]

I suppose VAR is box office so that's what it's all about.
The actual football is mince so fair enough.

[plhibs]

VAR is fine, the problem we have is that its the same old clowns who are using it. Last night I still think the Boyle one is a penalty, their first goal is a push on Porto and Jair’s hair should not be judged as offside. All that aside they got everything right.
I've only seen the highlites and agree with all that.

[plhibs]

They played a blinder at Ibrox. Well, they got Rangers a point and did nothing to convince folk that the game’s not bent up here.

They gave them 7 minutes extra time to get a winner too.

[DaveF]

They played a blinder at Ibrox. Well, they got Rangers a point and did nothing to convince folk that the game’s not bent up here.

Are you talking about the red card Matty? I genuinely thought it was deserved. I've been wrong (plenty times) before though 🙂

[Alfred E Newman]

I suppose VAR is box office so that's what it's all about.
The actual football is mince so fair enough.

Maybe box office for the sit at home punters but a pain in the arse for the actual spectators.
Attending games at the top level will never be the same again. Just think 2016 and VAR scrutinising Stokes equaliser and David Grays winner. That instant and unforgettable explosion of euphoria that we will never be allowed to experience again. Ok, the goals probably would have stood anyway but only after an eternity of endless replays as the officials tried to spot some excuse to chalk them off.
It might suit some but certainly not me.

[matty_f]

Are you talking about the red card Matty? I genuinely thought it was deserved. I've been wrong (plenty times) before though 🙂

Yeah, I don’t think it’s a red, there’s no force in the tackle, studs are down etc. Foul and a yellow, definitely, but a very soft straight red.

[DaveF]

Yeah, I don’t think it’s a red, there’s no force in the tackle, studs are down etc. Foul and a yellow, definitely, but a very soft straight red.

Maybe I'll need to see it again but it looked reckless and high to me.

[LunasBoots]

Crap officials running VAR is never going to work properly let's be honest

[Carheenlea]

Crap officials running VAR is never going to work properly let's be honest

100%

[matty_f]

Maybe I'll need to see it again but it looked reckless and high to me.

https://twitter.com/scottmillar1/status/1583847585353109504?s=46&t=xGntySJG3j0ip1RYpqQRNw

[HibbyAndy]

https://twitter.com/scottmillar1/status/1583847585353109504?s=46&t=xGntySJG3j0ip1RYpqQRNw


In real play time i can see why that was given as a red card , But to have VAR and actually slow it down and look at it umpteen times i'm staggered that's a red

[theonlywayisup]

Me, I'm 100% supportive of VAR when it helps make the right decision.

My concern is when it comes to the final match of the season and there's a 50/50 when it could be a goal or not, or a sending off or not that could influence who wins the league. In England, it could result in City or Arsenal winning, but the VAR referee is an Exeter fan and his decision is not influenced by which team he prefers. In Scotland, the vast majority of the population have a preference when it comes to Celtic compared to The Rangers.

[DaveF]

https://twitter.com/scottmillar1/status/1583847585353109504?s=46&t=xGntySJG3j0ip1RYpqQRNw

I still think it's a red. Not sure why studs down is relevant. Pretty sure I made some crap tackles in the Sunday leagues in that manner. I'm in danger of showing sympathy to the zombie Huns so I'm probably better bowing out here 😮

[Hibeesforever]

The fans need to call out VAR to make sure fans can actually see what is going on and what is being analysed...protests are needed...why are football fans being treated differently to cricket and rugby fans...joke situation

[Donegal Hibby]

Yeah, I don’t think it’s a red, there’s no force in the tackle, studs are down etc. Foul and a yellow, definitely, but a very soft straight red.
Didn't think it was a red card offence either .How many times did Morelos roll as well :rolleyes:

[Donegal Hibby]

Robbie Neilson expresses concerns over ' discrepancies with VAR ' in the Scotsman . He reckons Devlin should have had a penalty . In another article I read Ange postecoglou wasn't overly impressed either as he said they had a stonewall penalty overlooked and that Var wasn't full proof either also he said he didn't find it entertaining waiting on someone to whisper into someone's else's ear about a decision and he felt it slows Celtics high tempo game down .

[Callum_62]

In real play time i can see why that was given as a red card , But to have VAR and actually slow it down and look at it umpteen times i'm staggered that's a redIt was given as a yellow initially

It was var that asked the ref to reconsider

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[Musselbound]

My view of VAR hasn't really changed after this weekend. I'm generally in favour of it but my main concern is we will see a lot of goals ruled out for pretty trivial offences or infringements.

[heretoday]

Two men and a dog wait on tenterhooks for VAR decision on penalty at Ross County v Killie clash on wet Wednesday night in Dingwall.

[Bridge hibs]

The most annoying thing for me, apart from the time it takes to make a decision is the ****ing offside lines and what body part equates to a player being offside. Ffs make it a head or a ****ing leg/foot, not a players ****ing elbow or finger tip, just makes the whole thing a sham

Yesterdays non pen for celtc yesterday shows the incompetency of our officials, not only on the pitch but in the VAR office. I dont know the official reason for celtc not getting that pen but was it due to proximity of ball to arm from the pass, arm by players side (which wasnt) or just sheer ****ing incompetence from all involved ?

[B.H.F.C]

VAR already showing up how bad the officials are.

Not teams I want benefitting from decisions but, how the ref doesn’t give the first Hearts penalty from 5 yards away and the linesman initially flagging the Aberdeen player offside for their first goal were terrible devious.

The ref in the Hearts game had an absolute shocker. Blowing when he shouldn’t then not when he should.

[H18 SFR]

Watching India v Pakistan at the T20WC jut now. Two VAR checks so far and the VAR official audio feed is shared with the broadcaster and in the stadium - this has to come to football, I actually can’t believe it isn’t already.

The World Cup in Qatar would be the perfect launch for it.

[Irish_Steve]

Watching India v Pakistan at the T20WC jut now. Two VAR checks so far and the VAR official audio feed is shared with the broadcaster and in the stadium - this has to come to football, I actually can’t believe it isn’t already.

The World Cup in Qatar would be the perfect launch for it.

As a complete aside, what a game of cricket it was too. Both teams had won and lost the game about half a dozen times each!

[ekhibee]

I still totally disagree with the decision not to give a penalty for the Smith handball, and I disagree with Stewart' comments about it after the game.

[JimBHibees]

As a complete aside, what a game of cricket it was too. Both teams had won and lost the game about half a dozen times each!

Yep watched the end of that was a tremendous watch.

[greenlex]

The most annoying thing for me, apart from the time it takes to make a decision is the ****ing offside lines and what body part equates to a player being offside. Ffs make it a head or a ****ing leg/foot, not a players ****ing elbow or finger tip, just makes the whole thing a sham

Yesterdays non pen for celtc yesterday shows the incompetency of our officials, not only on the pitch but in the VAR office. I dont know the official reason for celtc not getting that pen but was it due to proximity of ball to arm from the pass, arm by players side (which wasnt) or just sheer ****ing incompetence from all involved ?
I think the time thing will get shorter. First week and they know their work will be scrutinised to the nth degree so will want to be absolutely spot on. I hope that’s the case anyway.
Offside is offside it’s not like other decisions a judgement call. It’s a fact not a sham. Perhaps r the actual offside law should be changed to favour the attacker but that’s a different argument.
As for penalties ( the smith handball one for example) it’s down to one persons interpretation without var. rightly or wrongly. Now it’s being checked and verified by another. That IMO can only be a good thing. Fans and pundits alike can argue the toss all we like but it’s down to officials who know and administer the laws of the game as they see it. I’m guessing the distance from him the ball was hit rather than hand position was the reason but like you I’m guessing. Perhaps the refs should be mic’d up and explaining the decision. Celtic and hearts fans would be arguing over the incident VAR or not so that’s not changed at all.
VAR is a good thing on balance.

[Shaggy]

This is a personal observation, I am wondering if anyone else has experienced the same..

I used to watch the English premier league highlights every Saturday without fail,
then I stopped years ago. Time to time I think why was that?

After last nights scottish highlights, which I switched of half way through, I think it was the analysis around VAR thats turned me completely off.

Anybody found themselves doing the same?

(Up untill yesterday I thought VAR was a good idea)

[eastterrace]

This is a personal observation, I am wondering if anyone else has experienced the same..

I used to watch the English premier league highlights every Saturday without fail,
then I stopped years ago. Time to time I think why was that?

After last nights scottish highlights, which I switched of half way through, I think it was the analysis around VAR thats turned me completely off.

Anybody found themselves doing the same?

(Up untill yesterday I thought VAR was a good idea)it’s like var is taking over the game. Like I’ve said earlier if it’s going to be like how it’s started then I will eventually stop going to watch football. I’m hoping that things will speed up making decisions.

[Criswell]

Really quite angry after looking at the highlights. Between Clancy and VAR we were never going to get anything out of that game. Blatent push on Porteous and how they decided that Jair was offside is absulutely beyond me. Was his breath offside? If this is the standard of officiating get rid now!! A cheats charter!

[007]

Really quite angry after looking at the highlights. Between Clancy and VAR we were never going to get anything out of that game. Blatent push on Porteous and how they decided that Jair was offside is absulutely beyond me. Was his breath offside? If this is the standard of officiating get rid now!! A cheats charter!

Don't have a problem with Jair being given as offside, even if it was by a ba' hair. The push on Porteous looked like more of a push than the Celtic one which was disallowed. Plus the Michael Smith handball which wasn't given looked like a clear penalty, though they keep changing the handball rule so it's hard to keep up with it.

[Hibbyradge]

I'd like to have seen VAR look at the penalty Sevco got when Rocky was adjudged to have tripped the boy.

There was much more contact on Porto on Friday.

[joebakerforever]

On balance thought VAR improved decisions over the weekend & hopefully Porteous will now ditch the Steven Pressley manual advice of falling down for minimal physical contact:wink:

To me the one howler was VAR not picking up Ricki Lamie having his shirt ripped off his back in the Aberdeen penalty area in the dying seconds @ Motherwell.

It was suggested this was missed because the ref had blown for time after the incident, & VAR had insufficient time to review this.

Total nonsense & I hope all last-minute incidents will be fully reviewed by VAR & the ref before the players leave the field after the final whistle.

[Donegal Hibby]

I'd like to have seen VAR look at the penalty Sevco got when Rocky was adjudged to have tripped the boy.

There was much more contact on Porto on Friday.
Going to be a bit controversial here and say depends who's looking at it . I think it was for a shirt pull rather than a trip,was it not ? ( Maybe I'm wrong mate often am) . I think Rocky did catch sevco players shirt for one split second though wasn't a pull or anything to make him go down like he had been hit by a truck which he did . For me it was soft but depends who the referee was in the game even with VAR imo . Porto's one looked like a slight push to me but again I think Porto went down to easily and could have stayed on his feet But again I might be wrong here ,did VAR not look at it and decide it was ok ? Was very happy with VAR coming in but after what's went on I doubt it's going to make much difference with s***e refereeing decisions .

[gbhibby]

We should have foreign refs as the VAR refs this would take out any perceptions of west coast bias etc. Its the same refs who referee games that are doing the VAR.This could be done for half a season without it being made public.

[Phil MaGlass]

We should have foreign refs as the VAR refs this would take out any perceptions of west coast bias etc. Its the same refs who referee games that are doing the VAR.This could be done for half a season without it being made public.

This, its the same 6hit refs interpreting THEIR thoughts on VAR. Nothing will change, if they were corrupt without VAR they will be corrupt with it.

[Paulie Walnuts]

We should have foreign refs as the VAR refs this would take out any perceptions of west coast bias etc. Its the same refs who referee games that are doing the VAR.This could be done for half a season without it being made public.

More than anything im sure there was a suggestion we’re short on officials already so throwing another 18 officials into the mix to watch var each weekend will just mean the standard is terrible.

[flash]

Three things for me.
1. Boyle did not dive. There was contact.
2. Clark put his hands on Porto but I would want the goal if it was us.
3. The offside at the end is ludicrous. The lines are on top ofceach other.
Seen a few of these ridiculous offside decisions down south with VAR.

[gbhibby]

More than anything im sure there was a suggestion we’re short on officials already so throwing another 18 officials into the mix to watch var each weekend will just mean the standard is terrible.
Agree, the referee and lino jobs are not easy,we all make comments on decisions but a few friends who did their qualifications and then refereed mentioned that it changed their views on refs. VAR has only been in for one game so I am sure there will be many comments on VAR decisions or non decisions, the more things change the more they stay the same.

[JimBHibees]

Three things for me.
1. Boyle did not dive. There was contact.
2. Clark put his hands on Porto but I would want the goal if it was us.
3. The offside at the end is ludicrous. The lines are on top ofceach other.
Seen a few of these ridiculous offside decisions down south with VAR.

Common denominator of course was Hibs were on the wrong end of all of them.

[Callum_62]

Three things for me.
1. Boyle did not dive. There was contact.
2. Clark put his hands on Porto but I would want the goal if it was us.
3. The offside at the end is ludicrous. The lines are on top ofceach other.
Seen a few of these ridiculous offside decisions down south with VAR.1. Not enough for a pen tho. Var cannot intervene in bookings

2. Agree could have been given but far too soft defending

3. Also agree - I thought if the lines touched it was onside?

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[Carheenlea]

Three things for me.
1. Boyle did not dive. There was contact.
2. Clark put his hands on Porto but I would want the goal if it was us.
3. The offside at the end is ludicrous. The lines are on top ofceach other.
Seen a few of these ridiculous offside decisions down south with VAR.

It’s as if being in line doesn’t exist now, and the art of playing yourself onside by doing so will be a redundant skill.

Forensically examining every goal desperately looking for any infraction, however slight, brings nothing to the sport. You can sense the glee with the officials when they do find an excuse to rule out a perfectly good goal.

[gbhibby]

It’s as if being in line doesn’t exist now, and the art of playing yourself onside by doing so will be a redundant skill.

Forensically examining every goal desperately looking for any infraction, however slight, brings nothing to the sport. You can sense the glee with the officials when they do find an excuse to rule out a perfectly good goal.
Watched an offside on VAR and the frame they used the ball seemed to have left thr players foot so the lines indicated offside they ran it back a number of frames to when it looked that was the frame point when the ball was played, the lines drawn indicated the player was onside. VAR is not an exact science is it any better than not having VAR time will tell.

[Eyrie]

Watched an offside on VAR and the frame they used the ball seemed to have left thr players foot so the lines indicated offside they ran it back a number of frames to when it looked that was the frame point when the ball was played, the lines drawn indicated the player was onside. VAR is not an exact science is it any better than not having VAR time will tell.

Which comes back to only using VAR for a clear and obvious error.

Having one frame tell one story (ball not played, attacker onside) and the next telling a different story (ball player, attacker offside) is pretty much what happened with Tavares on Friday. That is not clear and obvious.

[WhileTheChief..]

I'd like to see our screens tell us that VAR is happening.

I didn't have a clue on Friday night. There was a weird pause, we all wondered if it was for VAR, then got the announcement over the tannoy before a msg saying Goals Stays or whatever.

It should flash up VAR on screen immediately.

[MWHIBBIES]

I'd like to see our screens tell us that VAR is happening.

I didn't have a clue on Friday night. There was a weird pause, we all wondered if it was for VAR, then got the announcement over the tannoy before a msg saying Goals Stays or whatever.

It should flash up VAR on screen immediately.

They did.

[Hibbyradge]

I'd like to see our screens tell us that VAR is happening.

I didn't have a clue on Friday night. There was a weird pause, we all wondered if it was for VAR, then got the announcement over the tannoy before a msg saying Goals Stays or whatever.

It should flash up VAR on screen immediately.

That's a good point. I think the screens at EPL games say "VAR check in progress" or similar.

It might be worth PMing the Hibs announcer or whatever he calls himself on here.

[Hibbyradge]

They did.

Could you not have posted that before I spent time writing my reply? :hilarious

[WhileTheChief..]

They did.

Was it a brief flash?

I was looking at a black screen.

[MWHIBBIES]

Could you not have posted that before I spent time writing my reply? :hilarious

:faf:

Yeah, the big screens definitely did show that.

[MWHIBBIES]

Was it a brief flash?

I was looking at a black screen.

No. "Var check in progress" and "var check complete" after all 3 goals.

[DaveF]

No. "Var check in progress" and "var check complete" after all 3 goals.

Must admit, I never noticed that. Might have been the lager though...

[Donegal Hibby]

We should have foreign refs as the VAR refs this would take out any perceptions of west coast bias etc. Its the same refs who referee games that are doing the VAR.This could be done for half a season without it being made public.
Too many mistakes happening to be just bad refereeing decisions imo . Our game showed the referee card happy with one team and not the other . I'm in no way keen on Celtic but that penalty claim for hand ball they didn't get was a clear handball .you might forgive not giving it without VAR but for the ref to look again on a screen and not give it didn't make any sense at all. Of course the referee is Nick Walsh who Celtic have expressed concerns about before due to his connections at Ibrox . That brings me to a game against sevco at Easter road were it's 0-0 but Beaton gives a late penalty to them right at the end of the game against Porto . Porto did stick out his leg no doubt but Kent was on his way down before contact was even made .What got me about that one was Beaton was actually laughing as he gave it. Strange behaviour for someone who's meant to be impartial . I thought VAR would be a good thing for the Scottish game but have came to the conclusion after what's happened in its first two days that it's not going to make a lot of difference when you have the likes of Beaton , Walsh and Clancy and maybe more impartial referees studying the VAR monitor. Maybe of course I'm the only one on here that's shares these concerns ?

[Donegal Hibby]

Scotsman has story on penalty's given .No surprise who's had the most imo

[overdrive]

They did.

Not all the time, and when it did it often just as the announcer was announcing the outcome

Edit: and I don't think they had anything up when it was being checked outside of the goals. There wasn't anything as far as I was aware at the penalty/offside incident.

[ancient hibee]

It’s supposed to coincide with the tannoy so that everyone is informed. So that is exactly what happened.

[MWHIBBIES]

Not all the time, and when it did it often just as the announcer was announcing the outcome

Edit: and I don't think they had anything up when it was being checked outside of the goals. There wasn't anything as far as I was aware at the penalty/offside incident.

Tbh, there was very little indication that anything was being checked at that offside.
There was messages on the screens for all 3 goals but that's it.

[Donegal Hibby]

Check out Skysports ' did Boyle dive '

[Hibbyradge]

Check out Skysports ' did Boyle dive '

It would be really helpful if you could post links when you've found an interesting story.

More folk will bother to read your recommendations, too. 👍

[I'm Spartacus]

Scotsman has story on penalty's given .No surprise who's had the most imo


Check out Skysports ' did Boyle dive '


It would be really helpful if you could post links when you've found an interesting story.

More folk will bother to read your recommendations, too. 👍

Aye links would be ideal Donegal!

[Green forever]

https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/12729126/ref-watch-did-boyle-dive-should-hibs-have-had-a-penalty

[Donegal Hibby]

It would be really helpful if you could post links when you've found an interesting story.

More folk will bother to read your recommendations, too. 👍
That one I'm not sure how to do ? Could you please explain?

[Hibbyradge]

That one I'm not sure how to do ? Could you please explain?

Just copy the URL of the page you're viewing and paste it in your post.

i.e. If you're using Chrome, just tap the address bar and click the copy icon (looks like 2 rectangles on top of each other).

[WhileTheChief..]

This is tremendous.

20 mins on and Donegal is checking out lots of little icons on his phone trying to work out copy and paste. Bless :greengrin

[Donegal Hibby]

This is tremendous.

20 mins on and Donegal is checking out lots of little icons on his phone trying to work out copy and paste. Bless :greengrin
How you know its a phone I have ?

[Hibbyradge]

How you know its a phone I have ?

What are you using?

[007]

What are you using?

https://i.ibb.co/5TZ5Gp2/021-I-C1379-X0011-XX-0007-A1.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

[Donegal Hibby]

What are you using?
iPad. D.

[gbhibby]

Will there be new songs with VAR
If it goes for your team
Ooh are up the VAR
If it goes against your team
Ooh are F##£ the VAR
My coats on already

[plhibs]

Did i hear correctly on the weekend (BBC) that Alan Muir was part of the VAR team ?

[Donegal Hibby]

This is a test please ignore. https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/celtic/the-var-truth-lies-somewhere-in-the-middle-low-key-debut-hearts-celtic-madness-gripes-3891760

[Carheenlea]

VAR’s Xanadu is to have every game finish 0-0.

[Bridge hibs]

This is a test please ignore. https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/celtic/the-var-truth-lies-somewhere-in-the-middle-low-key-debut-hearts-celtic-madness-gripes-3891760That is disgusting !! 😵

[Donegal Hibby]

https://i.ibb.co/5TZ5Gp2/021-I-C1379-X0011-XX-0007-A1.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
We wouldn't have technology like that over here btw is this the machine that's picked your country's last 3 PM's ?:faf:

[Hibbyradge]

Will there be new songs with VAR
If it goes for your team
Ooh are up the VAR
If it goes against your team
Ooh are F##£ the VAR
My coats on already

Ooh aah up the VAR, ooh aah up the VAR.

[McGruber]

Check out Skysports ' did Boyle dive '

Seen it. Not saying Boyle dived or not, ref seen it as a dive and that's that. What they should have said in that review is the VAR replay doesn't show it either way as the angle is behind Boyle and the issue was whether or not the St J leg had made contact infront of him.

[I'm Spartacus]

That is disgusting !! 😵

I've got to 44 without seeing a blue waffle image :(

[I'm Spartacus]

Ooh aah up the VAR, ooh aah up the VAR.

You could hear the Septic fans singing that clearly on the TV, I'm sure the lyric was VAR anyway :-|

[Lago]

This is tremendous.

20 mins on and Donegal is checking out lots of little icons on his phone trying to work out copy and paste. Bless :greengrin
So am I 😅

[Alfred E Newman]

Seen it. Not saying Boyle dived or not, ref seen it as a dive and that's that. What they should have said in that review is the VAR replay doesn't show it either way as the angle is behind Boyle and the issue was whether or not the St J leg had made contact infront of him.

What about the camera behind the goals? I was hoping Soccerscene would have replayed it from a different angle even if only to show that Boyle dived. However as usual they showed little interest in the Hibs game.

[I'm Spartacus]

What about the camera behind the goals? I was hoping Soccerscene would have replayed it from a different angle even if only to show that Boyle dived. However as usual they showed little interest in the Hibs game.

Swap Boyle with Jota and they would have 722 camera angles available with 4K quality at 10x zoom.

[Donegal Hibby]

While I was all for Var at the start and positive about it , I've since got quite negative about it now .Same ones that's making mistakes are going to be in charge of VAR time and time again . Look at referee Nick Walsh rumoured to have links with sevco and same referee that was in charge of hearts v Celtic and denied Celtic a stonewall penalty after looking at Var monitor . Is this just bad refereeing ? Or something more ? Have my doubts on him. Here's were he is this week and what he's doing . Coincidences ?
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/9660702/referees-var-rangers-aberdeen-celtic-livingston-mclean-walsh/

[greenlex]

While I was all for Var at the start and positive about it , I've since got quite negative about it now .Same ones that's making mistakes are going to be in charge of VAR time and time again . Look at referee Nick Walsh rumoured to have links with sevco and same referee that was in charge of hearts v Celtic and denied Celtic a stonewall penalty after looking at Var monitor . Is this just bad refereeing ? Or something more ? Have my doubts on him. Here's were he is this week and what he's doing . Coincidences ?
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/9660702/referees-var-rangers-aberdeen-celtic-livingston-mclean-walsh/
The VAR guy didn’t ask him to have a look at it. Wrongly in my opinion right enough but not Walsh’s fault.

[Forza Fred]

The VAR guy didn’t ask him to have a look at it. Wrongly in my opinion right enough but not Walsh’s fault.

If that was in Oz the ref would definitely be told to review.

Seems to me that the main focus in Scotland is in not holding the game up.

That’s fine but do things quickly and errors will occur.

[ancient hibee]

While I was all for Var at the start and positive about it , I've since got quite negative about it now .Same ones that's making mistakes are going to be in charge of VAR time and time again . Look at referee Nick Walsh rumoured to have links with sevco and same referee that was in charge of hearts v Celtic and denied Celtic a stonewall penalty after looking at Var monitor . Is this just bad refereeing ? Or something more ? Have my doubts on him. Here's were he is this week and what he's doing . Coincidences ?
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/9660702/referees-var-rangers-aberdeen-celtic-livingston-mclean-walsh/


He denied Hearts a stonewaller against Celtic and had to be corrected. Just a poor referee.

[I'm Spartacus]

It would be great if post match you could view all the VAR check incidents on the SPFL website.

[Donegal Hibby]

He denied Hearts a stonewaller against Celtic and had to be corrected. Just a poor referee.
Maybe your right that he's just a poor referee Though both him and Beaton have rumoured to have links with sevco ,you only have to look at the penalty Beaton gave sevco against us in the 85th minute at ER ,he was actually laughing when pointing to the spot, strange behaviour for somebody in a position were they are meant to be impartial imo .If I was a Dons fan going into the game against sevco I'd be rather concerned about Walsh spotting some decisions against them on the VAR monitor to be honest with you . All in all I thought VAR would improve the game, be a good thing for it too but now I not so sure . For me it's a bit like getting a workman into your house to do a job, he has all the best tools but he's s***e at his job so it doesn't matter a damn how good the tools are and that's what I think of a few Scottish referees as for Beaton and Walsh I'm not so sure it's just being poor as maybe it's more something dubious .

[where'stheslope]

Maybe your right that he's just a poor referee Though both him and Beaton have rumoured to have links with sevco ,you only have to look at the penalty Beaton gave sevco against us in the 85th minute at ER ,he was actually laughing when pointing to the spot, strange behaviour for somebody in a position were they are meant to be impartial imo .If I was a Dons fan going into the game against sevco I'd be rather concerned about Walsh spotting some decisions against them on the VAR monitor to be honest with you . All in all I thought VAR would improve the game, be a good thing for it too but now I not so sure . For me it's a bit like getting a workman into your house to do a job, he has all the best tools but he's s***e at his job so it doesn't matter a damn how good the tools are and that's what I think of a few Scottish referees as for Beaton and Walsh I'm not so sure it's just being poor as maybe it's more something dubious .
If what you say is in the least true?
Does that mean that some refs favour the Celtic persuasion?
Then on the other side, are all referees biased towards their favourite team??
It's all about what side you're on, if you get the decision its fair, if you don't, they are biased against your team!!!!
I've always known it as football, if you beat the uglies they played badly?

[Donegal Hibby]

If what you say is in the least true?
Does that mean that some refs favour the Celtic persuasion?
Then on the other side, are all referees biased towards their favourite team??
It's all about what side you're on, if you get the decision its fair, if you don't, they are biased against your team!!!!
I've always known it as football, if you beat the uglies they played badly?
I don't think in the name of sporting integrity and fair play referees should be biased towards their favourite teams because i think they shouldn't be involved in any games there team are playing in or any games with another team that might have a bearing on their own team full stop . Maybe I'm wide of the mark here but if I'm not having Nick Walsh who's after refereeing rangers rivals game and now going to be watching VAR in a game were one of the teams he is rumoured to be associated with doesn't sit well with me at all , it's not fair on the fans , the team and won't help VAR either.As to referees favouring Celtic maybe but I don't know to be honest with you .I can't say I heard or read rumours of any refs drinking in Celtic bars or working with young players that go on to Celtic academy like Beaton and Walsh ?
https://videocelts.com/2021/10/blogs/latest-news/heavily-conflicted-nick-walsh-and-his-ibrox-connections/.

https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/17350272.chris-sutton-online-pub-pics-valid-john-beatons-guilty-sheer-stupidity/

[Carheenlea]

https://i.postimg.cc/wvJYGZdR/FFAC758-E-57-CE-4-C2-C-AC41-FB955-E89-E67-D.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Since452]

Sorry if already mentioned but do we have goal line technology now like in the EPL? Or will situations where there is an argument whether the ball was over the line or not just be checked with VAR?

[Hibbyradge]

Sorry if already mentioned but do we have goal line technology now like in the EPL? Or will situations where there is an argument whether the ball was over the line or not just be checked with VAR?

I don't think we have it.

[Donegal Hibby]

I really can't decide whether I think VARS good or not . I know one thing it doesn't do your bloody nerves as a football fan any good 😉.
https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/var-premiership-round-up-rangers-25388585

[Pretty Boy]

Unless they improve the communication in the stadium then I'll continue to hate it regardless of whether decisions go in our favour or against.

A ref standing with his hand on his ear isn't communicating to the people who actually part with their hard earned to attend football what is going on. Nothing on the screens today (I know they can't show replays but a 'checking for....' wouldn't go amiss) and a belated tannoy announcement re the penalty today isn't good enough.

I know it was explained by Barrie why this isn't Hibs fault but if the SPFL have responsibility for communicating to the stadiums and there is an issue with that then it needs to be improved sharpish. It's obvious we are working with a Poundland version of the product at the moment.

The truth is it doesn't really take the ambiguity out of refereeing decisions anyway. There is still debate around the penalty we were awarded today and Derek McInness was querying at least 2 VAR decisions in his post match interview. Many of the decisions are still ultimately the subjective opinion of those viewing them.

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

It's still so strange. Does the linesman put his flag up for our disallowed goal if no VAR. If so, we don't celebrate a goal as he's already flagged. Our penalty, clear penalty that would not have been given in normal time. I still don't get it. They celebrated when the goal was disallowed, we celebrated when we were eventually given a penalty. Its just alien to me.

[Donegal Hibby]

Unless they improve the communication in the stadium then I'll continue to hate it regardless of whether decisions go in our favour or against.

A ref standing with his hand on his ear isn't communicating to the people who actually part with their hard earned to attend football what is going on. Nothing on the screens today (I know they can't show replays but a 'checking for....' wouldn't go amiss) and a belated tannoy announcement re the penalty today isn't good enough.

I know it was explained by Barrie why this isn't Hibs fault but if the SPFL have responsibility for communicating to the stadiums and there is an issue with that then it needs to be improved sharpish. It's obvious we are working with a Poundland version of the product at the moment.

The truth is it doesn't really take the ambiguity out of refereeing decisions anyway. There is still debate around the penalty we were awarded today and Derek McInness was querying at least 2 VAR decisions in his post match interview. Many of the decisions are still ultimately the subjective opinion of those viewing them.
I know a few fans that absolutely hate it and I can see why , I think Derek McInnes queried why it took 4 minutes to check something on Var today ,that imo is a to long . I think the cons outweigh the pros with it at the minute and I agree watching a ref standing waiting for a decision while fans haven't a scoopy what's going on is a bit of a disaster.

[noucampos]

Must admit I didn't celebrate Henderson goal because l was convinced Kenneh had handled in the build-up, as was my son. So already var is sucking a bit of joy out of the game - although the penalty decision was spot on!

[Hibee Mac]

I can't stand VAR in its current format and I have been gutted ever since they announced it would be brought to Scottish football. I thought we could maybe hold out a little longer.

Ultimately there's two massive issues for me:

1) celebrating goals is not the same, I'm thinking in the back of my mind the entire time will this be checked for something daft, is it really a goal?

2) everyone spends far too long talking about var, whether it's managers pundits or fans all I've heard after every game since last week is var this var that. The guys behind me spent 20 mins of the first half talking about var not even paying attention to the game anymore.

[Carheenlea]

Must admit I didn't celebrate Henderson goal because l was convinced Kenneh had handled in the build-up, as was my son. So already var is sucking a bit of joy out of the game - although the penalty decision was spot on!

Looks like refs won’t award penalties unless checked on VAR first. Whole ground saw that as a handball. Turned into a farce but thankfully Boyle kept his composure to slit it away without fuss.

[Donegal Hibby]

I can't stand VAR in its current format and I have been gutted ever since they announced it would be brought to Scottish football. I thought we could maybe hold out a little longer.

Ultimately there's two massive issues for me:

1) celebrating goals is not the same, I'm thinking in the back of my mind the entire time will this be checked for something daft, is it really a goal?

2) everyone spends far too long talking about var, whether it's managers pundits or fans all I've heard after every game since last week is var this var that. The guys behind me spent 20 mins of the first half talking about var not even paying attention to the game anymore.
Thought what LJ said about the goal situation side of it was spot on , that you don't know wither to celebrate twice when a goals given or not at all and that the moments gone , which I agree with that we will lose that elation when we score a goal cause it's probably going to be checked anyhow

[Spike Mandela]

The VAR decisions at ER were the correct ones. That’s the important thing.

[HIBS NUTS]

The VAR decisions at ER were the correct ones. That’s the important thing.

All anyone wants is more decisions correct, that happened today at easter road.
Well done VAR

[Carheenlea]

Fine for playing FIFA on the PlayStation but that’s about as far as it should have went. It maybe offers something different for the TV viewing matchday package, but not for the experience of the fans in the stadium.

I reckon it will abandoned within another couple of years.

[GreenCastle]

Fine for playing FIFA on the PlayStation but that’s about as far as it should have went. It maybe offers something different for the TV viewing matchday package, but not for the experience of the fans in the stadium.

I reckon it will abandoned within another couple of years.

Agreed - the fan in the stadium gets a worse deal than those watching.

Could they not explain why goals aren’t given - on big screen.. who was offside etc.

LJ was annoyed at the game as a penalty incident (mid way through) in 1st half wasn’t even checked - or maybe it was ?

The lack of not knowing what’s going on and zero communication is frustrating.

Refs seem scared to get things wrong and give a pen - same with the offside goal today. Surely the assistant could see it was off ?!

[matty_f]

They did say it was going to be horrendous for a while, and they weren't wrong.

[blackpoolhibs]

Perhaps the most important reaction at any game is the euphoria of a goal being scored, thats gone now.

I dont like VAR at all.

[Glory Lurker]

Can't stand it. 40 odd years of celebrating a goal, or seeing quickly it wasn't given and now we don't know it's counted until the other side kicks off? That's a fundamental change for me and I honestly don't know if I will be able to adjust and still enjoy it.

[B.H.F.C]

Perhaps the most important reaction at any game is the euphoria of a goal being scored, thats gone now.

I dont like VAR at all.

I agree to a point here. I don’t like it either.

For our disallowed goal today, Cabraja was clearly offside. I thought it sitting in the east at the time. The linesman should have had the flag up as soon as the ball was in the net. The officials are just going to stop taking part and let it be re-refereed though.

[Donegal Hibby]

Agreed - the fan in the stadium gets a worse deal than those watching.

Could they not explain why goals aren’t given - on big screen.. who was offside etc.

LJ was annoyed at the game as a penalty incident (mid way through) in 1st half wasn’t even checked - or maybe it was ?

The lack of not knowing what’s going on and zero communication is frustrating.

Refs seem scared to get things wrong and give a pen - same with the offside goal today. Surely the assistant could see it was off ?!
Fans paying there hard earned cash into watch there team play while important decisions that can effect a game that are going to be made while they sit wondering what the hell is going on isn't really a step in the right direction imo also linesman should have spotted Cabraja offside as he was well off though that wouldn't be surprise to me if he did miss it as to the free kick just before halftime that Main got when he near had the shirt off Hanlon back . Still don't know how all the officials missed it and came to the conclusion it was main that was fouled.

[RyeSloan]

Fans paying there hard earned cash into watch there team play while important decisions that can effect a game that are going to be made while they sit wondering what the hell is going on isn't really a step in the right direction imo also linesman should have spotted Cabraja offside as he was well off though that wouldn't be surprise to me if he did miss it as to the free kick just before halftime that Main got when he near had the shirt off Hanlon back . Still don't know how all the officials missed it and came to the conclusion it was main that was fouled.

VAR doesn’t look at run of the mill fouls. The Main one was the age old argument of backing in v jumping over the top…you win some you lose some.

As for not knowing ‘what the hell is going on’…I’m not getting that argument at all. Quite clearly when a goal is scored it’s checked to see if it’s valid. That’s what’s going on.

The as we saw for the first ‘goal’ the ref indicated that VAR has checked it and puts his hand up to indicate it was offside and a free kick given.

It will become normal soon enough and didn’t stop me celebrating the second and third goals as normal.

[OldEast]

I've already said I would completely change the offside rule to favour the attacker but here's a thought re VAR. Take all decisions whether to use it or not completely away from the VAR operator and give them to team captains and managers. 3 per game and if you make a correct call you still have 3 just like tennis. Teams could work on when to call and when not to call and would quickly figure out how not to waste their challenges. If they've used up their 3 and a decision goes against them late in the game well that'll just be like pre VAR days, you win some you lose some.
As an added bonus in Scotland at least, it would truly go a long way to addressing the perceived incompetence and questionable decisions given to Rantic by our refs who are now also VAR operators.

[Donegal Hibby]

VAR doesn’t look at run of the mill fouls. The Main one was the age old argument of backing in v jumping over the top…you win some you lose some.

As for not knowing ‘what the hell is going on’…I’m not getting that argument at all. Quite clearly when a goal is scored it’s checked to see if it’s valid. That’s what’s going on.

The as we saw for the first ‘goal’ the ref indicated that VAR has checked it and puts his hand up to indicate it was offside and a free kick given.

It will become normal soon enough and didn’t stop me celebrating the second and third goals as normal.
I never actually said at any point Var should look at run of the mill fouls ,I was having a go at the officials to be honest with you (1) free kick to main that give them a opportunity to launch the ball into our box even though main clearly wanted Hanlon's shirt as a souvenir, awful decision imo . (2) Didn't need Var to check Cabraja and holding game up ,lineman should have done his job it was obvious he was offside , Var should be used if it's a close call not a blatantly obvious decision . You say your not getting into a arguement about what ' the hell is going on ? That's fine I don't want one either but if fans aren't being made aware of what's going on in situations of importance after spending 30 quid in to watch there team with all the technology that's available then there's improvements needed .As to celebrating a goal I agree with LJ much better feeling right after the ball hits the net rather than 1 or 2 minutes later when goal is checked ,total kill joy that imo. .we had 3 Var checks and I think 8 substitutions yet ended up with 3 minutes injury time ,that doesn't add up either . Lee Johnson , Ange postecoglou and now Derek McInnes has expressed concerns about VAR and me as well
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/9683114/unimpressed-derek-mcinnes-sfa-var-delay-kilmarnock-stjohnstone/

[ShadesLongThrow]

Never thought I’d say this but I feel a bit for the officials. The 2 decisions (which were ultimately correct) made them look pretty incompetent. A bit like making a decision at work and your boss looking over your shoulder and publicly correcting you.

I think this makes them more nervous so we will end up in a downward spiral of them not wanting to make any big decisions and VAR being used even more and becoming increasingly unpopular with the fans. Better communication of the decisions would help the officials get a bit more confident and ultimately improve the VAR experience for everyone.

[WhileTheChief..]

Yesterday, with the disallowed goal, when we 'scored' the screen initially stayed blank.

Players back in the centre circle for a wee while before the screen flashed up VAR goal disallowed or whatever it said.

But, for both of our goals that stood, as soon as the ball hit the net GOAL flashed up on the screens instantly. We still had to wait for VAR to confirm they were goals though.

I think I've got this right so far?

So, my question is, why, when we 'scored' our first, didn't the screen flash GOAL like the next 2 times?

Looks like the decision was made already on the first goal. They thought 'offisde', so didn't flash up GOAL, then we wait, then VAR announces no goal.

It's BS. It absolutely has to be consistent or there is no point to it.

[WhileTheChief..]

VAR doesn’t look at run of the mill fouls. The Main one was the age old argument of backing in v jumping over the top…you win some you lose some.

As for not knowing ‘what the hell is going on’…I’m not getting that argument at all. Quite clearly when a goal is scored it’s checked to see if it’s valid. That’s what’s going on.

The as we saw for the first ‘goal’ the ref indicated that VAR has checked it and puts his hand up to indicate it was offside and a free kick given.

It will become normal soon enough and didn’t stop me celebrating the second and third goals as normal.

It's not clear at all though. The fact that so many of us are confused kinda points to that!!

[CapitalGreen]

Yesterday, with the disallowed goal, when we 'scored' the screen initially stayed blank.

Players back in the centre circle for a wee while before the screen flashed up VAR goal disallowed or whatever it said.

But, for both of our goals that stood, as soon as the ball hit the net GOAL flashed up on the screens instantly. We still had to wait for VAR to confirm they were goals though.

I think I've got this right so far?

So, my question is, why, when we 'scored' our first, didn't the screen flash GOAL like the next 2 times?

Looks like the decision was made already on the first goal. They thought 'offisde', so didn't flash up GOAL, then we wait, then VAR announces no goal.

It's BS. It absolutely has to be consistent or there is no point to it.

The VAR officials have no control over what is displayed on our screens.

[WhileTheChief..]

The VAR officials have no control over what is displayed on our screens.

Yeah, i Know.

But it's a kinda important part of the process that needs to work.

[CapitalGreen]

Yeah, i Know.

But it's a kinda important part of the process that needs to work.

My response was to your suggestion that a decision was already made about the goal being offside because ‘GOAL’ didn’t immediately appear on the screen.

[PaulSmith]

We’re all been guilty of lambasting referees and coming up with all sorts of theories rather than just accepting the human element of a decision, VAR is a by product of all those moans and groans so it was definitely a case of be careful what you wish for.

What we need is officials to start to signal offsides (like yesterday where you’ve got to assume the west stand Lino saw Cabraja as being offside) after a goal is scored. That would make it no different to what’s happened over the last 100 years but the.tech then checks the decision. Perfect example is Abada’s “goal” last week at Tynie where Lino puts flag up to raise a concern and it stops the goal celebration.

[Ryan91]

We’re all been guilty of lambasting referees and coming up with all sorts of theories rather than just accepting the human element of a decision, VAR is a by product of all those moans and groans so it was definitely a case of be careful what you wish for.

What we need is officials to start to signal offsides (like yesterday where you’ve got to assume the west stand Lino saw Cabraja as being offside) after a goal is scored. That would make it no different to what’s happened over the last 100 years but the.tech then checks the decision. Perfect example is Abada’s “goal” last week at Tynie where Lino puts flag up to raise a concern and it stops the goal celebration.

Having seen how close the call was for Cabraja's offside, I think the linesman believes it's a good goal

[Nakedmanoncrack]

Yesterday, with the disallowed goal, when we 'scored' the screen initially stayed blank.

Players back in the centre circle for a wee while before the screen flashed up VAR goal disallowed or whatever it said.

But, for both of our goals that stood, as soon as the ball hit the net GOAL flashed up on the screens instantly. We still had to wait for VAR to confirm they were goals though.

I think I've got this right so far?

So, my question is, why, when we 'scored' our first, didn't the screen flash GOAL like the next 2 times?

Looks like the decision was made already on the first goal. They thought 'offisde', so didn't flash up GOAL, then we wait, then VAR announces no goal.

It's BS. It absolutely has to be consistent or there is no point to it.

That's not how I remember it at all!
Disallowed 'goal' was scored, it came up on screen, scoreboard changed, and the announcer gave the 'scorer'. I didn't see anything come up on the screen, and nothing was announced to say it had been disallowed, people behind me who hadn't been paying attention clearly still thought we were winning for next 10 mins or so until they worked it out!

[BoomtownHibees]

Having seen how close the call was for Cabraja's offside, I think the linesman believes it's a good goal

I don’t think it was that close as far as offsides go. If, pre-VAR, that goal was given then it would go down as a bit of a shocker from the linesman imo

[RyeSloan]

It's not clear at all though. The fact that so many of us are confused kinda points to that!!

I’m honestly struggling to understand what is not clear about the fact that every goal is checked and until confirmed can’t be assumed to be a goal.

What are you confused about?

[Bob1875]

What’s the deal with the stadium announcer telling everyone what is happening re VAR? Does that happen at every ground? He then said penalty to Hibs. We can see that 🤷🏻*♂️

[WhileTheChief..]

That's not how I remember it at all!
Disallowed 'goal' was scored, it came up on screen, scoreboard changed, and the announcer gave the 'scorer'. I didn't see anything come up on the screen, and nothing was announced to say it had been disallowed, people behind me who hadn't been paying attention clearly still thought we were winning for next 10 mins or so until they worked it out!

Ah well, if anything, it just shows there's confusion.

At least it didn't take me 10 mins to figure it out :greengrin

[Onion]

Proof of VAR will come when a key decision (like a last min pen) goes against one of Twin Freaks resulting in dropped points. That’s when media scrutiny and outage will go to a whole new level. Only if one of the Uglies lose the league because of a VAR call will it truly be questioned.

[Jones28]

It’s only been two games, the systems in place are brand new and maybe need to be refined and polished up?

It’s bizarre to bring it in during the season but because of this we’re going to have to accept that it will take some time to get used to.

[Del Boy]

Can't stand it. 40 odd years of celebrating a goal, or seeing quickly it wasn't given and now we don't know it's counted until the other side kicks off? That's a fundamental change for me and I honestly don't know if I will be able to adjust and still enjoy it.

Feel the same, that special moment and feeling when the ball hits the back of the net is gone forever.

[Donegal Hibby]

Feel the same, that special moment and feeling when the ball hits the back of the net is gone forever.
I agree as well ,we have lost that special moment when the ball hits the net ,Lee Johnson said as much too.

[JohnM1875]

Didn't really notice VAR at all yesterday. Celebrated all the goals as I usually would and thought the decisions that went to VAR were dealt with quicky enough.

Thought the ref was awful though!

[B.H.F.C]

It’s only been two games, the systems in place are brand new and maybe need to be refined and polished up?

It’s bizarre to bring it in during the season but because of this we’re going to have to accept that it will take some time to get used to.

I don’t particularly like it, but yesterday it got us to a point where the two major decisions were correct.

What it is showing already is how poor the officials are because the referee should never have missed the handball in the first place and the linesman shouldn’t have missed the offside.

[Greenbeard]

I've already said I would completely change the offside rule to favour the attacker but here's a thought re VAR. Take all decisions whether to use it or not completely away from the VAR operator and give them to team captains and managers. 3 per game and if you make a correct call you still have 3 just like tennis. Teams could work on when to call and when not to call and would quickly figure out how not to waste their challenges. If they've used up their 3 and a decision goes against them late in the game well that'll just be like pre VAR days, you win some you lose some.
As an added bonus in Scotland at least, it would truly go a long way to addressing the perceived incompetence and questionable decisions given to Rantic by our refs who are now also VAR operators.
Good idea but I am not sure that would have helped us with the penalty y'day. Would we have used one of our three challenges? You'd have to make a very prompt call to make a challenge. I have just watched the BBC highlights and on first viewing "as live", and even still on the first replay, my initial reaction was no penalty as the ball looked to have skiffed off the defender's left arm which was by his side as he turned his body against the ball. So I can fully understand the ref not giving the penalty straight away (and find it hard to believe another poster's opinion that every single person in the ground knew it was a penalty straight away). Only after a second replay did I notice that the ball actually hit the defender's right arm which was out from his side.

[OldEast]

Good idea but I am not sure that would have helped us with the penalty y'day. Would we have used one of our three challenges? You'd have to make a very prompt call to make a challenge. I have just watched the BBC highlights and on first viewing "as live", and even still on the first replay, my initial reaction was no penalty as the ball looked to have skiffed off the defender's left arm which was by his side as he turned his body against the ball. So I can fully understand the ref not giving the penalty straight away (and find it hard to believe another poster's opinion that every single person in the ground knew it was a penalty straight away). Only after a second replay did I notice that the ball actually hit the defender's right arm which was out from his side.

I'm still not sure it was his right arm but most seem to think it was. In my version of VAR the manager would immediately tell the 4th official who's in contact with the ref. I see it being much quicker than current VAR and yes as I said we'd win some and lose some but would have much more control.

[Greenbeard]

Heard a good point made by one of the BBC Sportsound fuds yesterday that if you have a six match SPL programme that's eight of our top refs in the VAR bunker - one per game and two floaters. His point was what impact is that having on the referee standards further down the leagues. He advocated that it should be recently retired refs who are in the VAR bunker - those who are no longer up to speed to keep up with the game on the pitch but are still up to speed with the laws. Mind he also suggested recently retired players could be trained to do the job. Hmmm....

[MWHIBBIES]

Feel the same, that special moment and feeling when the ball hits the back of the net is gone forever.

So what about the ones there was clearly nothing wrong with, like you know, all 3 of our goals yesterday? Henderson one especially, blasted in from outside the box. Why on earth wouldn't you celebrate that as normal?

[Helensburghhibs]

VAR doesn’t look at run of the mill fouls. The Main one was the age old argument of backing in v jumping over the top…you win some you lose some.

As for not knowing ‘what the hell is going on’…I’m not getting that argument at all. Quite clearly when a goal is scored it’s checked to see if it’s valid. That’s what’s going on.

The as we saw for the first ‘goal’ the ref indicated that VAR has checked it and puts his hand up to indicate it was offside and a free kick given.

It will become normal soon enough and didn’t stop me celebrating the second and third goals as normal.

Every goal gets checked so your right there. After the initial check though, if they are looking at something more specific then it should be shown on the screen what it is, potential offside, potential foul etc. The slight concern i have is that the comms between var and getting the message on the screen as explained by barry on here seems like chinese wispers.

They need to sort it though as fans at the game should know at least the same amount about what is going on as armchair watchers. If not more.

[Carheenlea]

Good idea but I am not sure that would have helped us with the penalty y'day. Would we have used one of our three challenges? You'd have to make a very prompt call to make a challenge. I have just watched the BBC highlights and on first viewing "as live", and even still on the first replay, my initial reaction was no penalty as the ball looked to have skiffed off the defender's left arm which was by his side as he turned his body against the ball. So I can fully understand the ref not giving the penalty straight away (and find it hard to believe another poster's opinion that every single person in the ground knew it was a penalty straight away). Only after a second replay did I notice that the ball actually hit the defender's right arm which was out from his side.

VAR would then just be an added part of the game where tactics would be required as to how you use your “claims”.

Better just getting back to proper football.

[Gatecrasher]

I think it will get better, the refs will get more used to it and the game will be more fluid. I think the important thing is the major decisions were correct yesterday.

I do think the in stadium experience needs to be improved, we as fans need to be told what's being looked at and if VAR is actively being involved. After the first goal, it was clear VAR was checking it but we didn't know why it what at? The Fans in the stadiums deserve to be updated.

[Hibernian Verse]

I think it will get better, the refs will get more used to it and the game will be more fluid. I think the important thing is the major decisions were correct yesterday.

I do think the in stadium experience needs to be improved, we as fans need to be told what's being looked at and if VAR is actively being involved. After the first goal, it was clear VAR was checking it but we didn't know why it what at? The Fans in the stadiums deserve to be updated.

It’s quite obvious when they are checking a goal and Cabraja looked offside in real time

[Carheenlea]

They did say it was going to be horrendous for a while, and they weren't wrong.

It’s only going to be as good as the officials, and for that reason it’s not going to work in Scotland.

It’s going to horrendous for longer than a “while”.. This is just a glimpse of the new normal.

[Gatecrasher]

It’s quite obvious when they are checking a goal and Cabraja looked offside in real time

Not to me it wasn't, this could depend on where you sit in the stadium.

[hibee_girl]

It’s quite obvious when they are checking a goal and Cabraja looked offside in real time

Depending on where you sit in the stadium it’s not obvious to everyone he was offside.

Yes we knew the goal was being checked but we had no idea why. Fans in the stadium are the last to find out what checks are for.

[greenlex]

Depending on where you sit in the stadium it’s not obvious to everyone he was offside.

Yes we knew the goal was being checked but we had no idea why. Fans in the stadium are the last to find out what checks are for.
Dies it matter what it’s for? Every goal is being checked. Hopefully as the officials get more used to it it won’t take as long. Because it’s new they are really taking their time. Terrified they make a mistake.

[H18 SFR]

It’s quite obvious when they are checking a goal and Cabraja looked offside in real time

From the FFL he didn’t jump out as offside. I thought it might have been studs in on the goalkeeper something.

It would be an instant improvement to identify to the fans what the check is for.

[blackpoolhibs]

So what about the ones there was clearly nothing wrong with, like you know, all 3 of our goals yesterday? Henderson one especially, blasted in from outside the box. Why on earth wouldn't you celebrate that as normal?
Because it's not a goal until VAR verifys it.

[Gatecrasher]

Dies it matter what it’s for? Every goal is being checked. Hopefully as the officials get more used to it it won’t take as long. Because it’s new they are really taking their time. Terrified they make a mistake.

I think of there's a chance of a goal being chalked off then yes, run of the mill checks and there might be an issue are two different types of VAR involvement.

[greenlex]

That's not how I remember it at all!
Disallowed 'goal' was scored, it came up on screen, scoreboard changed, and the announcer gave the 'scorer'. I didn't see anything come up on the screen, and nothing was announced to say it had been disallowed, people behind me who hadn't been paying attention clearly still thought we were winning for next 10 mins or so until they worked it out!
Probably didn’t help when Sky reported the goal. Then reported it as chalked off but didn’t alter the score line either on tv or on line. Didn’t help with the confusion. Folk at the game surely saw the kick if not happening and a goal kick being taken? That’s a huge lack of being aware.

[greenlex]

I think of there's a chance of a goal being chalked off then yes, run of the mill checks and there might be an issue are two different types of VAR involvement.
Yes but we all know they are being checked. What for us neither here nor there. That was my point. Does it really matter?

[Donegal Hibby]

Some controversial decisions with VAR in England.
https://youtu.be/jfoK7UBw3GE