Joe Newell

[MWHIBBIES]

Superb. Joint top scorer. Would've had 2 assists if our forwards could score easy chances. Excellent performance.

[GreenGray]

If I’m honest I don’t get the hate towards him, you can never blame him for a lack of effort. Perhaps lacks decision making in the final third but I’d be surprised if Hibs could find much better than him. (They obviously couldn’t as they didn’t resign anyone)


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[Wilson]

Well done Joe.

[Since452]

Well done

[CL0762]

Superb. Joint top scorer. Would've had 2 assists if our forwards could score easy chances. Excellent performance.

Much better today.

This is what we need from Joe next week, and the week after, and so on.

No use if he reverts to type.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

Credit where it’s due. Great today. More of the same please Joe, you’ve got it you - just needs consistency!

[Hibernian Verse]

Great performance today, really chuffed for him.

He calmed it down and kept the ball in the last 5/10 mins and still had the energy to burst forward and draw two important fouls that took the pressure off.

All round game was excellent.

[blackpoolhibs]

No arguments from me when he performs like that.:thumbsup:

[Unseen work]

He’s a good player, the stick he gets on here is mental.

Played really well today.

Think Kenneh being in there helps him too.

[Crab apple]

Deserved man of the match today.

[LaMotta]

Him and Hanlon the best players on the pitch today. I've said it a few times hes at his best when we get an early goal.

Helps when he is the one that gets it.:greengrin

[yerauldda]

I really do like him but he’s such an enigma. Seems to play well every other week. Wish he would show more consistency.

Played very well today.

[Allant1981]

His close control and ability to get away from his marker is pretty good, he is so much better when he is going forward than sitting in front of the defence, needs to be pushed forward much more often

[Paulie Walnuts]

Done really well today :agree:

[Leith Green]

Played really well today .. should have banged that one from about 15 yards out instead of playing the ball through in 1st half.

[AL-Qaholik]

He was ok. Our standards have slipped more than I thought if that was “superb”.

[Leith Green]

Does having kenneh in the team allow newell to play more forward thinking? I think thats the best pairing in there that we currently have

[Hibiza]

Well done Joe , keep it going .

[Allant1981]

He was ok. Our standards have slipped more than I thought if that was “superb”.

He was easily the best midfielder on the park today, why not just give credit where its due

[truehibernian]

Good performance today, much better use of the ball and good goal. Proved again why that midfield of him, JDH and Campbell doesn’t work. Frees him up and he was more incisive. Thought Porteous played well too, as did Hanlon.

Bojang is peculiar - real pace, actually has a decent touch but needs to address finishing chances he’s getting albeit he’s introduced late in games. I’m certainly not writing him off, I actually think he can stretch teams with pace. He’s a bit like Boyle when he arrived from Dundee, very very erratic.

[tamig]

He was ok. Our standards have slipped more than I thought if that was “superb”.

Poor comment. Excellent today. Just wish he’d have a go with his right foot at times. At least twice today he could have hit it first time with his right.

[O'Rourke3]

Poor comment. Excellent today. Just wish he’d have a go with his right foot at times. At least twice today he could have hit it first time with his right.Yup. Two great chances given up as he'd no faith in his right. Between him and Hanlon for Star man today.

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[Brightside]

He looked knackered last 20.

[Mark05]

I like joe,we just need to get the balance right in midfield. If we can do that then I'm confident things will get better

[LaMotta]

Does having kenneh in the team allow newell to play more forward thinking? I think thats the best pairing in there that we currently have

I think the opposition having only 10 men had more to do with that today.

[The Modfather]

Are we going to have a new Joe Newell thread after every good game etc etc…

Didn’t see the game today. Good to see him score and have a good game going by what others have said though. Need more of that until January when we still need to address the midfield IMO.

[LewysGot2]

Him and Hanlon the best players on the pitch today. I've said it a few times hes at his best when we get an early goal.

Helps when he is the one that gets it.:greengrin

Yup.

Newell - good goal, good when in possession and composed on the ball.

Hanlon strolled that. Absolutely strolled it.

Boyle created the energy to get ahead. Lewis was very strong when he came on. David Marshall is a keeper.

Not going to mention things that could've been better - well done Hibs

[Heisenberg]

Tremendous from him today.

[basehibby]

Tremendous from Joe today. Great goal and deserved MOM. I won't waste my time waiting for the climb downs from all the blow hard knownothings on here who like to write him off

[Paulie Walnuts]

Tremendous from Joe today. Great goal and deserved MOM. I won't waste my time waiting for the climb downs from all the blow hard knownothings on here who like to write him off

There’s numerous people on this thread who have acknowledged he done well today that are often critical of him.

You crack on with creating your imaginary scenario.

[hibsbollah]

Really pleased for anyone who's a bit unpopular with sections of the crowd have a good game, hope he sustains it for a while. Maybe with the added confidence to try a few more shots on goal.

[CMac1988]

He was ok. Our standards have slipped more than I thought if that was “superb”.

I get what your getting at but if superb is over egging it, then saying he was ok is probably under selling his performance.

Got the winning goal and it was a good strike at that. Better than any other of our strikers efforts. On the ball a good deal more than the rest of our midfield who were fairly anonymous at times and was trying to push forward as much as possible. If he played like that every week then no one would be questioning his abilities. On his day our best midfielder. Needs to be far more consistent.

[Mark05]

Does having kenneh in the team allow newell to play more forward thinking? I think thats the best pairing in there that we currently have
That's what I'm thinking, out of our midfield maybe having Henderson furthest forward with newel then kenneh sitting defensively. But hey I'm no coach just trying to work out the best formation of our midfield

[Smartie]

I actually think Joe’s had a pretty decent season so far…

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Tremendous from Joe today. Great goal and deserved MOM. I won't waste my time waiting for the climb downs from all the blow hard knownothings on here who like to write him off

Almost complete nonsense. Joe's performance today is what we need from him week in and week out. We don't get that. It would be a brave poster who would claim that showing up for one game every four or five is good enough for Hibs.

[SHODAN]

We need a "was Joe Newell good today" tracker or something.

[loanheadhibby]

Superb. Joint top scorer. Would've had 2 assists if our forwards could score easy chances. Excellent performance.

Just like your pal Doidge a top player.

[loanheadhibby]

Tremendous from Joe today. Great goal and deserved MOM. I won't waste my time waiting for the climb downs from all the blow hard knownothings on here who like to write him off
Do me a favour you are embarrassing yourself.

[MWHIBBIES]

Just like your pal Doidge a top player.

Christ you're boring.

[Tambo]

I have been vocal about him over the last year but he definitely deserved his MOTM award, just shows you what he can bring when he gets more involved in the game and more attacking minded.

[Is It On....]

Superb. Joint top scorer. Would've had 2 assists if our forwards could score easy chances. Excellent performance.

Absolutely shocking...if he was any good he would have scored with his initial attempt and not needed to have a second attempt!!! 👀😂

[hibsbollah]

Here’s an idea, why don’t you park your feuding about posts presumably weeks ago, and just enjoy the three points?

Hibs won. Have a cold one and enjoy your Saturday.

[MWHIBBIES]

Here’s an idea, why don’t you park your feuding about posts presumably weeks ago, and just enjoy the three points?

Hibs won. Have a cold one and enjoy your Saturday.

No feuding at all. Loanhead just doing his usual "look at me" act on every positive thread. Bizarre behaviour.

I'm absolutely delighted about our 3 points and good performance.

[loanheadhibby]

No feuding at all. Loanhead just doing his usual "look at me" act on every positive thread. Bizarre behaviour.

I'm absolutely delighted about our 3 points and good performance.

Like you I was delighted with the three points but surely you don't think the performance was good.
I think we're in for a long hard season and today did nothing to change my mind.
Would be happy to be be proved wrong.

[MWHIBBIES]

Like you I was delighted with the three points but surely you don't think the performance was good.
I think we're in for a long hard season and today did nothing to change my mind.
Would be happy to be be proved wrong.

I do think it was good yes. Totally in control, created loads of chances. Forced them into mistakes including a red card. Play like that every week we'll be in for a decent season.

[loanheadhibby]

I do think it was good yes. Totally in control, created loads of chances. Forced them into mistakes including a red card. Play like that every week we'll be in for a decent season.

You do realise that we are 8th in the league?

[WhileTheChief..]

MW has spoken. Close thread?!

[BoomtownHibees]

You do realise that we are 8th in the league?

A massive 2 points off high-flying Aberdeen & Hearts

[easty]

You do realise that we are 8th in the league?

Do you realise that we're 2 points off of third?

[MWHIBBIES]

MW has spoken. Close thread?!

I spoke in the opening post, it's my thread you doughnut. If you disagree, make the argument, if you're just going to make stupid, juvenile comments, get yourself to bed.

[WhileTheChief..]

Hang on, you’ve taken the piss outta me on various threads, have some of it back!!

It’s a bit early for bed but I’m seven sheets to the wind having been on the pub since the final whistle but still talking more sense than you.

Always wanting a fight, even when we win. Why so angry all the time?

[Lago]

He’s a good player, the stick he gets on here is mental.

Played really well today.

Think Kenneh being in there helps him too.
For those of a certain age, he is today's Joe Tortolano.

[Callum_62]

You do realise that we are 8th in the league?Haha. Jesus.

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[MWHIBBIES]

Hang on, you’ve taken the piss outta me on various threads, have some of it back!!

It’s a bit early for bed but I’m seven sheets to the wind having been on the pub since the final whistle but still talking more sense than you.

Always wanting a fight, even when we win. Why so angry all the time?

Not wanting a fight at all. You're the one starting it as youve just said.

Not too early for bed for you. Embarrassing yourself.

[WhileTheChief..]

I’m celebrating the win. Try it sometime.

[MWHIBBIES]

I’m celebrating the win. Try it sometime.

You're celebrating it by sitting in the pub on your phone, calling people pricks on Hibs.net. Rock and roll stuff that.

[Chorley Hibee]

Like you I was delighted with the three points but surely you don't think the performance was good.
I think we're in for a long hard season and today did nothing to change my mind.
Would be happy to be be proved wrong.

You're not alone.

Yes, we created numerous good chances, but most were a result of Killie playing with 10 men most of the game, and particularly when they gambled everything in the final 5 or so remaining minutes.

I thought we played very well the first 20 or so minutes, and displayed many of the traits I've been asking for (intensity, running off the ball etc). This resulted in the sending off and the goal from Newell.

After that, I thought we reverted to type (slow, lack of creativity) for long periods, and made heavy weather of a game that should have been a comfortable victory.

Our midfield was still far too easy to play through, and the room Killie frequently found (even with a man short) was concerning.

Newell did play well, but I remain unconvinced that he's going to produce that level on a regular basis.

Porteous was poor, once again, and I'd have no qualms in dropping him if we had any reasonable cover.

Pleased with the 3 points, but still think we're a good way short of quality.

[easty]

I’m celebrating the win. Try it sometime.


You're celebrating it by sitting in the pub on your phone, calling people pricks on Hibs.net. Rock and roll stuff that.

What pub are you in WTC?

MW - get yourself down there - hug it out.



We won today, and they got beat. It's a good day.

[WhileTheChief..]

Man you never let it go do you?

I’m waiting for the train home, just killing some time here and the first thing I read since the end of the game is you having. A pop at me. Like always.

[staunchhibby]

You're celebrating it by sitting in the pub on your phone, calling people pricks on Hibs.net. Rock and roll stuff that.

Can we not appreciate getting three points today instead of all this bickering.

[Lago]

I'm sure there is a high proportion of teenagers posting on here, just reminds me of my 2 at that age bickering on and on followed by my shout of get in your own rooms 😂

[WhileTheChief..]

You say that like it’s a bad thing?!

Its all good. Just a good laugh as Levein would surely say.

[basehibby]

Almost complete nonsense. Joe's performance today is what we need from him week in and week out. We don't get that. It would be a brave poster who would claim that showing up for one game every four or five is good enough for Hibs.

It is far from nonsense that just about every time I look at this site there is some blowhard knownothing spouting off about how sheight Newell supposedly is. Well it's time for them to suck up their own medicine by getting rightly called out for spouting endless pish. Thin skinned types who cannot handle being called out should try choosing their words more carefully in future.

[basehibby]

Do me a favour you are embarrassing yourself.

I think you doth protest too much - is this you owning up to being one of the remorseless pish spouters?

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

It is far from nonsense that just about every time I look at this site there is some blowhard knownothing spouting off about how sheight Newell supposedly is. Well it's time for them to suck up their own medicine by getting rightly called out for spouting endless pish. Thin skinned types who cannot handle being called out should try choosing their words more carefully in future.

What's the difference between being called out, and having a different opinion?

[basehibby]

What's the difference between being called out, and having a different opinion?

Much of the drivel spouted about Newell has gone far beyond an opinion on his abilities and into the realm of gratuitous abuse - almost like they have been seeking to make him a hate figure among fans - very negative and deserving of ridicule.

[ekhibee]

I'm sure there is a high proportion of teenagers posting on here, just reminds me of my 2 at that age bickering on and on followed by my shout of get in your own rooms 😂

I reckon you're almost certainly right, best post on the thread IMO

[jacomo]

There’s numerous people on this thread who have acknowledged he done well today that are often critical of him.

You crack on with creating your imaginary scenario.


:agree:

This thread is mostly exactly that.

[LeithMike]

We all know Joe can play if he is given time and space in the midfield. With Kilmarnock going to ten men early doors and sitting in it was tailor made for him. He did well though but again it was a tad worrying when Kilmarnock were pushing us back for the last 25 minutes.

I was in the ground early and watched him in the warm up when they chase the ball around. I just don't think he can tackle and hangs a leg out without any real purpose. For me he's definitely not a no.8 and while he's got the passing game for a no.6 he's just not got the defensive game. Ultimately, that leaves him as a no.10 or wide left. That's where I'd like to see him and just let him attack and not worry too much about the defensive side. That said, I'm still not convinced he has enough in his locker to be a no.10. A nice footballer but you rarely win anything with players like that in the centre.

We'll see a lot of criticism again when we play a team that presses high and plays well in transition as those games just pass him by and then the praise when we have time in midfield.

Still he stood up today and I have to say I was a bit disappointed with Josh Campbell who never really got in the game. I definitely think there is a player there but you feel like he needs wound up a bit to get him playing.


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[B.H.F.C]

We all know Joe can play if he is given time and space in the midfield. With Kilmarnock going to ten men early doors and sitting in it was tailor made for him. He did well though but again it was a tad worrying when Kilmarnock were pushing us back for the last 25 minutes.

I was in the ground early and watched him in the warm up when they chase the ball around. I just don't think he can tackle and hangs a leg out without any real purpose. For me he's definitely not a no.8 and while he's got the passing game for a no.6 he's just not got the defensive game. Ultimately, that leaves him as a no.10 or wide left. That's where I'd like to see him and just let him attack and not worry too much about the defensive side. That said, I'm still not convinced he has enough in his locker to be a no.10. A nice footballer but you rarely win anything with players like that in the centre.

We'll see a lot of criticism again when we play a team that presses high and plays well in transition as those games just pass him by and then the praise when we have time in midfield.

Still he stood up today and I have to say I was a bit disappointed with Josh Campbell who never really got in the game. I definitely think there is a player there but you feel like he needs wound up a bit to get him playing.


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I’m going to go against the idea that Newell is good with time and space. For me, that’s when he’s at his worst.

His goal today, no time to think, good hit. Ten minutes later, running through, plenty time, tries to play a silly pass.

When the game got a bit stretched today he really came in to it. He’s actually quite a big powerful lad capable of driving forward but he only does that when he needs to, not when he has time IMO.

[Saint Hibee]

I thought Joe did pretty good today, but still quite a way off “superb”. He was as guilty as the forwards of not taking chances.

[Slim Shady]

Whilst I thought Joe Newell was our best performer in midfield today.

Is this the level of performance we as Hibs fans aspire to watch?
Surely we think we must do better. We have one of the worst power puff midfields in the league and if we are raving about him being tremendous and superb.
Then we are in a worse place than we think.

[easty]

Whilst I thought Joe Newell was our best performer in midfield today.

Is this the level of performance we as Hibs fans aspire to watch?
Surely we think we must do better. We have one of the worst power puff midfields in the league and if we are raving about him being tremendous and superb.
Then we are in a worse place than we think.

There was nothing powder puff about our midfield today.

[tamig]

He looked knackered last 20.

You just don’t seem to like Joe much. Quite a few snidey disparaging comments. He was good today. Your poster boy was also good.

[LustForLeith]

I’d love to know what was going through the average Hibs Da’s brain when he scored

“Hibs have scored! Nah, it’s Newell. I’ll sit back down”

[B.H.F.C]

Whilst I thought Joe Newell was our best performer in midfield today.

Is this the level of performance we as Hibs fans aspire to watch?
Surely we think we must do better. We have one of the worst power puff midfields in the league and if we are raving about him being tremendous and superb.
Then we are in a worse place than we think.

Would agree with this. Thought Newell was good in parts but, collectively, thought it was another poor midfield performance.

Played against 10 for pretty much the whole game but didn’t think we looked a good side.

[LaMotta]

Would agree with this. Thought Newell was good in parts but, collectively, thought it was another poor midfield performance.

Played against 10 for pretty much the whole game but didn’t think we looked a good side.

:agree:

[Mutu]

Would agree with this. Thought Newell was good in parts but, collectively, thought it was another poor midfield performance.

Played against 10 for pretty much the whole game but didn’t think we looked a good side.


???

Surely the issue yesterday was that we couldn't finish our dinner? We created plenty against a 10 man side who naturally will try and sit deep and sneak the odd set piece.

[B.H.F.C]

???

Surely the issue yesterday was that we couldn't finish our dinner? We created plenty against a 10 man side who naturally will try and sit deep and sneak the odd set piece.

Again, lack of quality final third. That’s a major thing in us not looking a good side.

Actually thought we moved the ball quicker and looked better at 11v11 for the first 10 minutes.

Hopefully we can follow it up next week, get on a bit of a run and improve a bit with some confidence.

[WhileTheChief..]

Killie dominated the 2nd half with 10 men.

That wouldn't have happened if our midfield was excellent or tremendous.

[B.H.F.C]

Killie dominated the 2nd half with 10 men.

That wouldn't have happened if our midfield was excellent or tremendous.

I wouldn’t go that far, even though I didn’t think we played well. Marshall didn’t have a save to make and we missed 4 or 5 good chances.

[Allant1981]

Killie dominated the 2nd half with 10 men.

That wouldn't have happened if our midfield was excellent or tremendous.

You are at it, not a chance killie dominated the 2nd half

[bigwheel]

You are at it, not a chance killie dominated the 2nd half

No. The poster is exaggerating - they did match us all the way though - with 10 men . So that will be why people are a bit mixed about the performance .

For me , it’s our last third play that needs improved - we don’t create enough good chances with our possession . I think lack of goals could be our undoing this season (like last ). Without cracking that one , we will struggle to secure top six . McKirdy could give us more menace up there mind you.

[Paulie Walnuts]

You are at it, not a chance killie dominated the 2nd half

They definitely didn’t dominate the second half imo.

They came into the game more and had a bit more in terms of territory with a few spells of us being stuck in our half for a bit but they never threatened to do anything with it. We were the much better team first half and whilst I wouldn’t say we were as good second half, we were probably still the better team.

[Allant1981]

No. The poster is exaggerating - they did match us all the way though - with 10 men . So that will be why people are a bit mixed about the performance .

For me , it’s our last third play that needs improved - we don’t create enough good chances with our possession . I think lack of goals could be our undoing this season (like last ). Without cracking that one , we will struggle to secure top six . McKirdy could give us more menace up there mind you.

We could and should have scored at least 4 or 5 though so definitely creating the chances, just not taking them, Hendon had 2, youan had his miss, mckirdy had the header, and bojang had his miss. Those were more than half chances that should have been scored, agree that's going to be our downfall if we don't start taking them

[MWHIBBIES]

Killie dominated the 2nd half with 10 men.

That wouldn't have happened if our midfield was excellent or tremendous.

:faf:

****ing dominated us

26176

Zero shots on target ''dominated us''

If thats the case, we were absolutely dominating every week under Maloney.

[Hiber-nation]

Killie dominated the 2nd half with 10 men.

That wouldn't have happened if our midfield was excellent or tremendous.

It was a grim watch but that's utter Tom kite and you know it.

[JimBHibees]

Killie dominated the 2nd half with 10 men.

That wouldn't have happened if our midfield was excellent or tremendous.

Certainly didn't dominate but stayed in the game due to our profligacy in front of goal.

[BoomtownHibees]

killie dominated the 2nd half with 10 men.


ffs

[Ozyhibby]

Would agree with this. Thought Newell was good in parts but, collectively, thought it was another poor midfield performance.

Played against 10 for pretty much the whole game but didn’t think we looked a good side.

Newell played ok but it was miles away from being superb. And overall, it was another poor performance from the midfield as a whole. Zero creativity in there at all. Everything has to go down the wings which makes it easy to defend against.

I know I will likely remain a minority in not rating Newell. I’m comfy with that. He’s the most experienced player in a very poorly functioning midfield. And it’s a poorly performing team as well.
Every part of the team has changed since last season except the midfield and we haven’t improved? Still sitting in 8th place. I guess some people just want different things.


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[Jones28]

Just like your pal Doidge a top player.

Do you ever say anything positive about Hibs ever?

[Mutu]

Newell played ok but it was miles away from being superb. And overall, it was another poor performance from the midfield as a whole. Zero creativity in there at all. Everything has to go down the wings which makes it easy to defend against.

I know I will likely remain a minority in not rating Newell. I’m comfy with that. He’s the most experienced player in a very poorly functioning midfield. And it’s a poorly performing team as well.
Every part of the team has changed since last season except the midfield and we haven’t improved? Still sitting in 8th place. I guess some people just want different things.


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There's 2 points separating 3rd and 8th.

Christ almighty this website

[J-C]

It was the kind of performance that makes punters frustrated with him, we all know he has that in his locker but only shows it once every 5-6 games, if he was like that more often then there'd be no debate and we'd all be happy that he was a mainstay in the team, it's up to him to maintain that level.

[hibsbollah]

Still sitting in 8th place. I guess some people just want different things.


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You’re absolutely right. People like me who think Newell is too often a scapegoat would much prefer we finished lower than 8th. You’ve got me bang to rights, fair play.

Best wishes, Father Jessup.

[MWHIBBIES]

Newell played ok but it was miles away from being superb. And overall, it was another poor performance from the midfield as a whole. Zero creativity in there at all. Everything has to go down the wings which makes it easy to defend against.

I know I will likely remain a minority in not rating Newell. I’m comfy with that. He’s the most experienced player in a very poorly functioning midfield. And it’s a poorly performing team as well.
Every part of the team has changed since last season except the midfield and we haven’t improved? Still sitting in 8th place. I guess some people just want different things.


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Zero creativity yeah, okay.

Did you miss Newell putting Bojang though? Or the good work by Newell to put it on a plate for Youan? The midfield was not poorly functioning and Hibs were not poorly performing yesterday.

You cannot be taken seriously if you present such a clearly biased argument.

[MWHIBBIES]

It was the kind of performance that makes punters frustrated with him, we all know he has that in his locker but only shows it once every 5-6 games, if he was like that more often then there'd be no debate and we'd all be happy that he was a mainstay in the team, it's up to him to maintain that level.

Well, hes been good in all 3 league home games this season. So that 1 out of 6 theory doesn't ****ing work.

[BILLYHIBS]

After the worst debut I have ever seen in my puff ( Stirling away) he is starting to grow on me

Needs to shoot more

After the goal he had two more chances to get shots away with a clear sight of goal but elected to pass

In fact the whole team could do with shooting practice after yesterday

[Lago]

:aok:
Zero creativity yeah, okay.

Did you miss Newell putting Bojang though? Or the good work by Newell to put it on a plate for Youan? The midfield was not poorly functioning and Hibs were not poorly performing yesterday.

You cannot be taken seriously if you present such a clearly biased argument.

[Allant1981]

Newell played ok but it was miles away from being superb. And overall, it was another poor performance from the midfield as a whole. Zero creativity in there at all. Everything has to go down the wings which makes it easy to defend against.

I know I will likely remain a minority in not rating Newell. I’m comfy with that. He’s the most experienced player in a very poorly functioning midfield. And it’s a poorly performing team as well.
Every part of the team has changed since last season except the midfield and we haven’t improved? Still sitting in 8th place. I guess some people just want different things.


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Youans first chance came playing through the middle, bojangs chance came through the middle so not everything is out on the wing, was hendersons second chance not a ball played through from the middle also?

[JimBHibees]

After the worst debut I have ever seen in my puff ( Stirling away) he is starting to grow on me

Needs to shoot more

After the goal he had two more chances to get shots away with a clear sight of goal but elected to pass

In fact the whole team could do with shooting practice after yesterday

Wouldn't disagree with any of that. He should got shots away twice when on his right side second half one was a very poor touch. He needs to continue this form. Suits him having Kenneh behind him.

[WhileTheChief..]

Newell played ok but it was miles away from being superb. And overall, it was another poor performance from the midfield as a whole. Zero creativity in there at all. Everything has to go down the wings which makes it easy to defend against.

I know I will likely remain a minority in not rating Newell. I’m comfy with that. He’s the most experienced player in a very poorly functioning midfield. And it’s a poorly performing team as well.
Every part of the team has changed since last season except the midfield and we haven’t improved? Still sitting in 8th place. I guess some people just want different things.


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Agreed.

Winning 1-0 at home against 10 men does not mean we've suddenly fixed the midfield. The same problems that were evident to almost everyone on here against Livi and St Mirren still remain.

But because we won, we're not allowed to be critical? Bollocks to that.

Next time we lose, the same folk saying the midfield were great today will probably go back to slating Newall, Campbell and JDH!

[Allant1981]

Agreed.

Winning 1-0 at home against 10 men does not mean we've suddenly fixed the midfield. The same problems that were evident to almost everyone on here against Livi and St Mirren still remain.

But because we won, we're not allowed to be critical? Bollocks to that.

Next time we lose, the same folk saying the midfield were great today will probably go back to slating Newall, Campbell and JDH!

There's being critical and just talking rubbish, like your comment about killie dominating the 2nd half

[BILLYHIBS]

Credit to McWinless

Killie were certainly on the front foot second half especially the last 20 minutes when he threw on Laugherty and another forward must have thought may as well go for it nothing to lose at 1-0 down

Never really threatened Marsh in goal though

[WhileTheChief..]

There's being critical and just talking rubbish, like your comment about killie dominating the 2nd half

Why do you never just discuss things on here without the insults?

Why not just make your point about the midfield?

We obviously disagree but I've never once said you talk rubbish or anything similar so why do you feel the need to speak that way to those of us you disagree with? You do it all the time.

[MWHIBBIES]

Agreed.

Winning 1-0 at home against 10 men does not mean we've suddenly fixed the midfield. The same problems that were evident to almost everyone on here against Livi and St Mirren still remain.

But because we won, we're not allowed to be critical? Bollocks to that.

Next time we lose, the same folk saying the midfield were great today will probably go back to slating Newall, Campbell and JDH!

Important to point out that you are arguing against something that you've completely made up. No one said any of those things.

[MWHIBBIES]

Why do you never just discuss things on here without the insults?

Why not just make your point about the midfield?

We obviously disagree but I've never once said you talk rubbish or anything similar so why do you feel the need to speak that way to those of us you disagree with? You do it all the time.

It was a ridiculous comment though. Stats quickly proved you were talking utter pish.

[Allant1981]

Why do you never just discuss things on here without the insults?

Why not just make your point about the midfield?

We obviously disagree but I've never once said you talk rubbish or anything similar so why do you feel the need to speak that way to those of us you disagree with? You do it all the time.

Because you were talking utter rubbish that's why, and I've had plenty of discussions with other posters about the game

[Dashing Bob S]

He’s a good player, the stick he gets on here is mental.

Played really well today.

Think Kenneh being in there helps him too.

He gets the stick because people know he’s a good player. If there’s one things fans hate, it’s someone who has the talent to be a decisive influence in every game playing poorly/disinterested. I think he’s a great player, I just wish he’d show it game after game rather than intermittently.

[blackpoolhibs]

He gets the stick because people know he’s a good player. If there’s one things fans hate, it’s someone who has the talent to be a decisive influence in every game playing poorly/disinterested. I think he’s a great player, I just wish he’d show it game after game rather than intermittently.
:top marksclose the thread now.:agree:

[ekhibee]

I do think it was good yes. Totally in control, created loads of chances. Forced them into mistakes including a red card. Play like that every week we'll be in for a decent season.

I totally disagree, we won the game but we were *****, and if you honestly believe that was a good performance you are extremely easily pleased. We spent considerable periods of time during the game when we are passing the ball from side to side, without a clue or the skill on how to break down a team who for the majority of the game were playing with 10 men, and we were toothless when we did actually get into the box with the exception of Boyle. The 2 good chances we did have in the 2nd half we made an arse of. And yes, I did think Kilmarnock were better than us in the second half. It wasn't a good performance, no matter how you try and dress it up. Newell played quite well today, it was a considerably better performance by him than he's shown the entire season and most of last. I don't know where you get that he's played well in all our home games this season, he most certainly hasn't. He's consistently underperformed, and it's as if he's comfortable with his new contract and doesn't need to bother much as there's nobody to replace him just now, he's not the only one guilty of that mind you. The worst of it is that he is a good player, when he wants to be. That is a hell of a lot more annoying than someone who just doesn't have the ability.

[MWHIBBIES]

I totally disagree, we won the game but we were *****, and if you honestly believe that was a good performance you are extremely easily pleased. We spent considerable periods of time during the game when we are passing the ball from side to side, without a clue or the skill on how to break down a team who for the majority of the game were playing with 10 men, and we were toothless when we did actually get into the box with the exception of Boyle. The 2 good chances we did have in the 2nd half we made an arse of. And yes, I did think Kilmarnock were better than us in the second half. It wasn't a good performance, no matter how you try and dress it up. Newell played quite well today, it was a considerably better performance by him than he's shown the entire season and most of last. I don't know where you get that he's played well in all our home games this season, he most certainly hasn't. He's consistently underperformed, and it's as if he's comfortable with his new contract and doesn't need to bother much as there's nobody to replace him just now, he's not the only one guilty of that mind you. The worst of it is that he is a good player, when he wants to be. That is a hell of a lot more annoying than someone who just doesn't have the ability.

:faf: ****ing hell

[B.H.F.C]

I totally disagree, we won the game but we were *****, and if you honestly believe that was a good performance you are extremely easily pleased. We spent considerable periods of time during the game when we are passing the ball from side to side, without a clue or the skill on how to break down a team who for the majority of the game were playing with 10 men, and we were toothless when we did actually get into the box with the exception of Boyle. The 2 good chances we did have in the 2nd half we made an arse of. And yes, I did think Kilmarnock were better than us in the second half. It wasn't a good performance, no matter how you try and dress it up. Newell played quite well today, it was a considerably better performance by him than he's shown the entire season and most of last. I don't know where you get that he's played well in all our home games this season, he most certainly hasn't. He's consistently underperformed, and it's as if he's comfortable with his new contract and doesn't need to bother much as there's nobody to replace him just now, he's not the only one guilty of that mind you. The worst of it is that he is a good player, when he wants to be. That is a hell of a lot more annoying than someone who just doesn't have the ability.

I don’t get this thing about Kilmarnock being better than us. They stayed in the game but that was about it, Marshall collected a couple of crosses but I can’t think of anything else he had to do whilst we should have scored more ourselves.

I don’t think we were particularly good, I’m not convinced we’re in for a particularly good season, but we deserved to win the game yesterday.

[ekhibee]

I don’t get this thing about Kilmarnock being better than us. They stayed in the game but that was about it, Marshall collected a couple of crosses but I can’t think of anything else he had to do whilst we should have scored more ourselves.

I don’t think we were particularly good, I’m not convinced we’re in for a particularly good season, but we deserved to win the game yesterday.

Fair dues, I was reacting to somebody else who thought it was a good performance, and I totally disagreed with that. I'm also pretty worried that if we perform like that against most other teams in this league, we'll consistently drop points. That's just my opinion though.

[Allant1981]

I don’t get this thing about Kilmarnock being better than us. They stayed in the game but that was about it, Marshall collected a couple of crosses but I can’t think of anything else he had to do whilst we should have scored more ourselves.

I don’t think we were particularly good, I’m not convinced we’re in for a particularly good season, but we deserved to win the game yesterday.

Yip they certainly weren't better than us, we controlled almost every bit of the game and should have scored at least 4 or 5

[Paulie Walnuts]

I don’t get this thing about Kilmarnock being better than us. They stayed in the game but that was about it, Marshall collected a couple of crosses but I can’t think of anything else he had to do whilst we should have scored more ourselves.

I don’t think we were particularly good, I’m not convinced we’re in for a particularly good season, but we deserved to win the game yesterday.

Agree.

I thought we were decent enough yesterday but I’m also mindful that was against a team we should be beating anyway who also had 10 men nearly all game. I’m not going to look at it and think that’s us on the road to 3rd now.

That being said, we were by a mile the better team over all. I can’t quite believe anyone watched that yesterday and thought Kilmarnock were better, even for a half. At no point were they better imo.

[MWHIBBIES]

Folk do realize we forced them down to 10 men? Like, they didn't start the match like that. Our good play, lead to a mistake and them going down to 10. Thats a positive thing, not something to be held against our players.

[ekhibee]

My point was that I thought Kilmarnock were the better team in the 2nd half, that's obviously open to debate, but I didn't say or mean that they were the better team overall. I still didn't think it was a good performance by Hibs, even though we deserved to win it. Having lots of possession doesn't always mean you're the better team, unless you make it count. There was too much in that game that concerned me, i.e for long periods of the game not knowing how to break down a side with 10 men, and poor finishing to make me think that was a good performance. But we did win, and we just about deserved it IMO, so onwards and hopefully upwards, but also IMO we need to improve a lot in various areas of the park.

[MWHIBBIES]

My point was that I thought Kilmarnock were the better team in the 2nd half, that's obviously open to debate, but I didn't say or mean that they were the better team overall. I still didn't think it was a good performance by Hibs, even though we deserved to win it. Having lots of possession doesn't always mean you're the better team, unless you make it count. There was too much in that game that concerned me, i.e for long periods of the game not knowing how to break down a side with 10 men, and poor finishing to make me think that was a good performance. But we did win, and we just about deserved it IMO, so onwards and hopefully upwards, but also IMO we need to improve a lot in various areas of the park.

We broke them down dozens of times, we really had no problems doing so. Our finishing was the only negative of yesterday. Defended well, created loads, forced the opposition into loads of mistakes, kept the ball well, won it back well, limited opposition to nothing.

What things did Kilmarnock do better than us in this 2nd half? Certainly didn't defend better, we should've scored at least 2. Had less possession. Zero shots on target so they certainly didn't attack better. I'm struggling here.

[PH91]

It was the kind of performance that makes punters frustrated with him, we all know he has that in his locker but only shows it once every 5-6 games, if he was like that more often then there'd be no debate and we'd all be happy that he was a mainstay in the team, it's up to him to maintain that level.

Yep, in order to get the haters off his back all he has to do is be the best player on the park every single week rather than every 5-6 games. It's simple and not ridiculous at all.

[basehibby]

Newell is probably our most complete and capable midfielder of those available at the mo. That's not to say he is an all singing all dancing superstar but when we get the best out of him he's very effective. We see the best of him when he's trying to drive the team forward rather than just maintaining posession. I actually think we've seen an improvement in his play under Johnson who is, I think, encouraging the team to get the ball forward much quicker than under either Ross or Maloney. Also Joe seems to perform better with a sitting midfielder beside him. Kenneh has more defensive instincts and this seems to free up JN to take some risks, drive forward and get in the box. I think he and JDH are very similar - NEITHER are "sheight" as certain trumpets on here have asserted with tedious regularity. But it seems to me that when they play together they are often trying to fill the same role and, rather than two adventurous centre mids this somehow leads to the sort of dour sideways passing oft complained about on here. Its about striking a balance in midfield. Yesterday we got that balance about right and that was the foundation of our victory.

[JimBHibees]

Newell is probably our most complete and capable midfielder of those available at the mo. That's not to say he is an all singing all dancing superstar but when we get the best out of him he's very effective. We see the best of him when he's trying to drive the team forward rather than just maintaining posession. I actually think we've seen an improvement in his play under Johnson who is, I think, encouraging the team to get the ball forward much quicker than under either Ross or Maloney. Also Joe seems to perform better with a sitting midfielder beside him. Kenneh has more defensive instincts and this seems to free up JN to take some risks, drive forward and get in the box. I think he and JDH are very similar - NEITHER are "sheight" as certain trumpets on here have asserted with tedious regularity. But it seems to me that when they play together they are often trying to fill the same role and, rather than two adventurous centre mids this somehow leads to the sort of dour sideways passing oft complained about on here. Its about striking a balance in midfield. Yesterday we got that balance about right and that was the foundation of our victory.

Totally agree with that

[Hector Mudflap]

Totally agree with that

Agree to disagree

Newell was good yesterday - not spectacular - not outstanding just acceptable.
He was playing on a pitch that had more space because they had ten men.

He has played nearly a hundred games and scored 5 goals - the return is poor - really poor.
One on one I wouldn't have been putting my money on him to score ever- a bit like Doidge.

I'ts not good enough.
He was better yesterday only because he had more room or maybe he thinks his position is under threat now?
IMHO he is far too lightweight and has little ability, Henderson has twice the goals in roughly half the games.
We need better than both.


Now that MWHibbies has lost his main man in Doidge it looks like it will be an all out love fest for Newell.
Both are/were part of the reason we have been so poor and boring to watch.

I will still be at Tannadice with my two boys if anyone wants a debate- I have been watching Hibs for over 40 years and seriously this last while has been dire. A team without personality - hopefully with Mckirdy we have the player we need.

[MWHIBBIES]

Agree to disagree

Newell was good yesterday - not spectacular - not outstanding just acceptable.
He was playing on a pitch that had more space because they had ten men.

He has played nearly a hundred games and scored 5 goals - the return is poor - really poor.
One on one I wouldn't have been putting my money on him to score ever- a bit like Doidge.

I'ts not good enough.
He was better yesterday only because he had more room or maybe he thinks his position is under threat now?
IMHO he is far too lightweight and has little ability, Henderson has twice the goals in roughly half the games.
We need better than both.


Now that MWHibbies has lost his main man in Doidge it looks like it will be an all out love fest for Newell.
Both are/were part of the reason we have been so poor and boring to watch.

I will still be at Tannadice with my two boys if anyone wants a debate- I have been watching Hibs for over 40 years and seriously this last while has been dire. A team without personality - hopefully with Mckirdy we have the player we need.


Do you only judge midfield players purely on goals? Because he does 1 or 2 other things. An awful way to judge a central midfielder honestly.

Kilmarnock didn't start the match with 10 players. Our good play made it that way. Nothing to do with an all out love fest for Newell. He was good yesterday, MOTM, match winner, and deserved credit. If anyone else had done the same, Id be giving them loads of credit as well.

[loanheadhibby]

Do you ever say anything positive about Hibs ever?

Not much positives at the moment. Have you looked at the league table, we're 8th.
I've never been a Newell fan and we're struggling if he's one of our main players.
Surely you want any poster to give honest opinions.
I care deeply about my club but feel we are going nowhere at the moment.

[MWHIBBIES]

Not much positives at the moment. Have you looked at the league table, we're 8th.
I've never been a Newell fan and we're struggling if he's one of our main players.
Surely you want any poster to give honest opinions.
I care deeply about my club but feel we are going nowhere at the moment.

See if we win next week and go 3rd, will everything be okay?

[ekhibee]

Agree to disagree

Newell was good yesterday - not spectacular - not outstanding just acceptable.
He was playing on a pitch that had more space because they had ten men.

He has played nearly a hundred games and scored 5 goals - the return is poor - really poor.
One on one I wouldn't have been putting my money on him to score ever- a bit like Doidge.

I'ts not good enough.
He was better yesterday only because he had more room or maybe he thinks his position is under threat now?
IMHO he is far too lightweight and has little ability, Henderson has twice the goals in roughly half the games.
We need better than both.


Now that MWHibbies has lost his main man in Doidge it looks like it will be an all out love fest for Newell.
Both are/were part of the reason we have been so poor and boring to watch.

I will still be at Tannadice with my two boys if anyone wants a debate- I have been watching Hibs for over 40 years and seriously this last while has been dire. A team without personality - hopefully with Mckirdy we have the player we need.
Good points.

[loanheadhibby]

See if we win next week and go 3rd, will everything be okay?

I realise I can be critical but in Dundee United's position who would they want to play next.
Hibs at home would be pretty high on their preferences.
A win would be great even if it's not good enough to take us 3rd.

[ekhibee]

We broke them down dozens of times, we really had no problems doing so. Our finishing was the only negative of yesterday. Defended well, created loads, forced the opposition into loads of mistakes, kept the ball well, won it back well, limited opposition to nothing.

What things did Kilmarnock do better than us in this 2nd half? Certainly didn't defend better, we should've scored at least 2. Had less possession. Zero shots on target so they certainly didn't attack better. I'm struggling here.

And I'm struggling to understand why you think Hibs were good yesterday? Yeh, we won the game and move on and upwards hopefully, but I was at the game and not me, any of my mates I was sitting with, or any of the others round us thought that was a 'good' performance. All about opinions obviously but I totally disagree with yours. Joe Newall played well, but contrary to what somebody said he's not even playing well in 1 out of 5 or 6 games, more like 1 in 10 or 11. and a lot of people are understandably a wee bit pissed off that he doesn't perform like that more often, particularly as he was given a large extension to his contract on the basis that he was one of our better players.

[Hector Mudflap]

Do you only judge midfield players purely on goals? Because he does 1 or 2 other things. An awful way to judge a central midfielder honestly.

Kilmarnock didn't start the match with 10 players. Our good play made it that way. Nothing to do with an all out love fest for Newell. He was good yesterday, MOTM, match winner, and deserved credit. If anyone else had done the same, Id be giving them loads of credit as well.

No. they had a good solid 11 mins with a full team.
I think we were lucky it was a sending off- I didn't think it was though I thought Lunstrums was - deliberate foul or "professional" should be a straight red- it goes against the sporting integrity of the game - thats just my opinion.

"he was good yesterday". "Good" in your eyes makes "man of the match"- here lie'th the problem.
You are doing it again with a new player.
To defend Doidge continually as you did seriously used to confuse me. You are maybe a nice guy and I don't know you but to me you are the epitome of a happy clapper or a Hearts troll. It just staggers me that you defended him so long- he was never ever ever a player that was worth his salary and I feel Newell is the same.Doidge constantly missed easy chances and Newell constantly under performs. It was no surprise when I read your post congratulating Newell. It looked to me like a replacement troll thread.
Newell has been consistently poor and one good game every ten does not a player make - imagine how we would be doing with a solid midfielder ?
How are we supposed to rate him? Who do we benchmark him against ?
Mcginn? McGeouch Fyvie ?
Not anywhere near them.

He produces very little and has the goal level of Allan who I would much rather have had in the team. Right now we need a bit of drive and bit of style, Newell has neither.

This is not a personal attack on you - assuming you really are a Hibs fan then we both want the same thing - I just want more and I'm hoping that Kenneh and McGennis will be the answer with Mckirdy Boyle and Nesbit scoring thew goals.

I can "hand on heart" not remember how long it's been since a fellow fan sitting within ear shot of our group of four figured that Doidge or Newell were any good at all. You MUST be an armchair fan or not a fan at all.

Or I am optically challenged.

It's one of those.

[MWHIBBIES]

No. they had a good solid 11 mins with a full team.
I think we were lucky it was a sending off- I didn't think it was though I thought Lunstrums was - deliberate foul or "professional" should be a straight red- it goes against the sporting integrity of the game - thats just my opinion.

"he was good yesterday". "Good" in your eyes makes "man of the match"- here lie'th the problem.
You are doing it again with a new player.
To defend Doidge continually as you did seriously used to confuse me. You are maybe a nice guy and I don't know you but to me you are the epitome of a happy clapper or a Hearts troll. It just staggers me that you defended him so long- he was never ever ever a player that was worth his salary and I feel Newell is the same.Doidge constantly missed easy chances and Newell constantly under performs. It was no surprise when I read your post congratulating Newell. It looked to me like a replacement troll thread.
Newell has been consistently poor and one good game every ten does not a player make - imagine how we would be doing with a solid midfielder ?
How are we supposed to rate him? Who do we benchmark him against ?
Mcginn? McGeouch Fyvie ?
Not anywhere near them.

He produces very little and has the goal level of Allan who I would much rather have had in the team. Right now we need a bit of drive and bit of style, Newell has neither.

This is not a personal attack on you - assuming you really are a Hibs fan then we both want the same thing - I just want more and I'm hoping that Kenneh and McGennis will be the answer with Mckirdy Boyle and Nesbit scoring thew goals.

I can "hand on heart" not remember how long it's been since a fellow fan sitting within ear shot of our group of four figured that Doidge or Newell were any good at all. You MUST be an armchair fan or not a fan at all.

Or I am optically challenged.

It's one of those.

I really am I Hibs fan. I go every week pal. Newell was very good yesterday. Pointless discussion if all you have is to question if I'm a fan or not. Losers argument right there.


And I'm struggling to understand why you think Hibs were good yesterday? Yeh, we won the game and move on and upwards hopefully, but I was at the game and not me, any of my mates I was sitting with, or any of the others round us thought that was a 'good' performance. All about opinions obviously but I totally disagree with yours. Joe Newall played well, but contrary to what somebody said he's not even playing well in 1 out of 5 or 6 games, more like 1 in 10 or 11. and a lot of people are understandably a wee bit pissed off that he doesn't perform like that more often, particularly as he was given a large extension to his contract on the basis that he was one of our better players.

Hes been MOTM last 2 home matches. So no, not 1 in 10 or 11.

Again, I'll ask, what did Kilmarnock do better than us 2nd half?

[Hector Mudflap]

I really am I Hibs fan. I go every week pal. Newell was very good yesterday. Pointless discussion if all you have is to question if I'm a fan or not. Losers argument right there.



Hes been MOTM last 2 home matches. So no, not 1 in 10 or 11.

Again, I'll ask, what did Kilmarnock do better than us 2nd half?
I would say that not being able to back up your view and trying to weasel out is more obvious that Im right.

Doidge and Newel are way below the quality we need.
Norwich were the better tetra, first half - second half we were when we brought the youngsters on.
St Johnston were as crap as us and we were lucky lucky lucky to get the win.
Hearts were the better team
Rangers were the better team
Livi were as crap as us but still created more than us
St Mirren- blocked out but you know ...
Yesterday , we hung on against a ten man team of mediocre mid table just promoted journeymen.
If you really were there then you can't deny the last ten minutes of nail biting fear.

We have no midfield.

[easty]

I would say that not being able to back up your view and trying to weasel out is more obvious that Im right.

Doidge and Newel are way below the quality we need.
Norwich were the better tetra, first half - second half we were when we brought the youngsters on.
St Johnston were as crap as us and we were lucky lucky lucky to get the win.
Hearts were the better team
Rangers were the better team
Livi were as crap as us but still created more than us
St Mirren- blocked out but you know ...
Yesterday , we hung on against a ten man team of mediocre mid table just promoted journeymen.
If you really were there then you can't deny the last ten minutes of nail biting fear.

We have no midfield.

The glass is half empty with you eh...

[MWHIBBIES]

I would say that not being able to back up your view and trying to weasel out is more obvious that Im right.

Doidge and Newel are way below the quality we need.
Norwich were the better tetra, first half - second half we were when we brought the youngsters on.
St Johnston were as crap as us and we were lucky lucky lucky to get the win.
Hearts were the better team
Rangers were the better team
Livi were as crap as us but still created more than us
St Mirren- blocked out but you know ...
Yesterday , we hung on against a ten man team of mediocre mid table just promoted journeymen.
If you really were there then you can't deny the last ten minutes of nail biting fear.

We have no midfield.

I do back up my views. Yes, I was there, no I absolutely wasn't scared against a side who literally had ZERO shots on target 2nd half. Zero. The fear was all in your head mate, nothing that was actually happening merited it. See, thats me backing up my views with stats, rather than ***** like ''I've supported Hibs for 40 years, you're a jambo troll'' We didn't hang on whatsoever. We looked far more likely to score from minute 1 to minute 95.

Doidge set up our goal vs Norwich. And our equalizer against Rangers. 2 core players last time we finished 3rd. Doidge struggled for form but no doubting at his best he was easily good enough. Newell may or may not be good enough anymore, but hes our best midfield player, so he'll continue to start and rightfully so.

[basehibby]

And I'm struggling to understand why you think Hibs were good yesterday? Yeh, we won the game and move on and upwards hopefully, but I was at the game and not me, any of my mates I was sitting with, or any of the others round us thought that was a 'good' performance. All about opinions obviously but I totally disagree with yours. Joe Newall played well, but contrary to what somebody said he's not even playing well in 1 out of 5 or 6 games, more like 1 in 10 or 11. and a lot of people are understandably a wee bit pissed off that he doesn't perform like that more often, particularly as he was given a large extension to his contract on the basis that he was one of our better players.

Talk about doubling down on your own BS!

Newell played well against Hearts & against Rangers. He was MoM yesterday. So this season he has played well in all our home league matches - that's half our matches in the league thus far - proving what a load of nonsense you just posted there in bold. Along with his teammates, there have been some sub-par performances, but Newell has played well in at least half our league games this season.

Probably fair to say that last season, under different managers & systems we saw a less adventurous Joe Newell playing in a Hibs team struggling to find form as a whole. We can speculate as to whether that was the result of following instructions, badly balanced midfield, low confidence or whatever - what you seem to ignore in your analysis though is the improved performance that has been evident in front of your own eyes for this particular player this season.

Re team perfomance on Sat - agreed it was far from perfect but we did see 25 Hibs efforts on goal! We were playing vs 10 men of course but with McInnes in the dugout that simply meant we were playing vs 10 behind the ball for 80% of the game - and that lead to some slower play - passing about at the back in an attempt to draw Kille (losing 1-0) out and create space. Our finishing WAS undeniably poor. Other than that though I thought Hibs played the match well and thoroughly deserved the points. I suppose it's subjective as to whether that qualifies as a "good" team performance - for me it was good up to the final quarter and if the finishing had not been so poor we would have all come away purring.

[Hibernian Verse]

I realise I can be critical but in Dundee United's position who would they want to play next.
Hibs at home would be pretty high on their preferences.
A win would be great even if it's not good enough to take us 3rd.

I agree with you…but I think it’s just in our heads.

[WhileTheChief..]

Newall said himself that he should be scoring more, that the team should have scored more yesterday and that things got stale towards the end.

Not that much different to what you read on here.

[hibsbollah]

No. they had a good solid 11 mins with a full team.
I think we were lucky it was a sending off- I didn't think it was though I thought Lunstrums was - deliberate foul or "professional" should be a straight red- it goes against the sporting integrity of the game - thats just my opinion.

"he was good yesterday". "Good" in your eyes makes "man of the match"- here lie'th the problem.
You are doing it again with a new player.
To defend Doidge continually as you did seriously used to confuse me. You are maybe a nice guy and I don't know you but to me you are the epitome of a happy clapper or a Hearts troll. It just staggers me that you defended him so long- he was never ever ever a player that was worth his salary and I feel Newell is the same.Doidge constantly missed easy chances and Newell constantly under performs. It was no surprise when I read your post congratulating Newell. It looked to me like a replacement troll thread.
Newell has been consistently poor and one good game every ten does not a player make - imagine how we would be doing with a solid midfielder ?
How are we supposed to rate him? Who do we benchmark him against ?
Mcginn? McGeouch Fyvie ?
Not anywhere near them.

He produces very little and has the goal level of Allan who I would much rather have had in the team. Right now we need a bit of drive and bit of style, Newell has neither.

This is not a personal attack on you - assuming you really are a Hibs fan then we both want the same thing - I just want more and I'm hoping that Kenneh and McGennis will be the answer with Mckirdy Boyle and Nesbit scoring thew goals.

I can "hand on heart" not remember how long it's been since a fellow fan sitting within ear shot of our group of four figured that Doidge or Newell were any good at all. You MUST be an armchair fan or not a fan at all.

Or I am optically challenged.

It's one of those.

‘Sitting within earshot of our group of four’ gives a lot away. I am sensing what your group is like…have you noticed maybe folk starting to move away from your group, tutting, shaking their heads, maybe muttering ‘I wish these know it all’s would give it a rest?’

Newell is no superstar, but ‘1 good game in 10’? That’s just nonsense.

[basehibby]

.....Newell has been consistently poor and one good game every ten does not a player make ......

Absurd drivel alert - See my previous post about doubling down on your own BS - Newell has played well in at least half the league games this season so time to re-assess your opinion.

You take the high horse against MWHIBS insinuating that he is some kind of troll - have a look at yourself mate - continually undermining one of our own players despite the evidence in front of your eyes - who's the troll now then???

[Hector Mudflap]

Absurd drivel alert - See my previous post about doubling down on your own BS - Newell has played well in at least half the league games this season so time to re-assess your opinion.

You take the high horse against MWHIBS insinuating that he is some kind of troll - have a look at yourself mate - continually undermining one of our own players despite the evidence in front of your eyes - who's the troll now then???


"At least half the league games". What a bizarre defence. So you accept the other times he's crap. Jeez - its almost like you and MW are the same person. I don't rate Newell but that doesn't mean I'm wrong in my assessment anymore than you are right. It's and opinion.
If I wanted to take the high horse I would get on my high horse and take the high ground.

Just saying.

What was odd was that throughout the months a particular poster has been defending Doidge regardless if what was obvious and as soon as he leaves - i'ts Newell . Newell is a divisive player. You seem to like him or think at least that he's a good player "half the time". I don't - that's not trolling . It's just an opinion.

I could easily agree with you
But then we would both be wrong

[Hibiza]

It's the same old story with Newell , ineffective in most games, then had a great game . Well done Joe ( as I said yesterday ) but we need it consistently.

[Hector Mudflap]

‘Sitting within earshot of our group of four’ gives a lot away. I am sensing what your group is like…have you noticed maybe folk starting to move away from your group, tutting, shaking their heads, maybe muttering ‘I wish these know it all’s would give it a rest?’

Newell is no superstar, but ‘1 good game in 10’? That’s just nonsense.


Not that I have noticed no. In fact I am pretty confident in saying without fear of contradiction - EVERYONE sitting next to us front and behind are of the same opinion.
Same people for years- Doidge was like a man down and Newell is not the standard we need.

Maybe I in ten is an exaggeration - one in nine? Tell me a game he bossed? Was it Clyde?

Tell me what team in the SPL that Newell would walk into and the payers he could replace. We are supposedly the fourth biggest team in the country and yet we have the 8th or lower best midfield IMHO.
There are very few midfielders in Scottish SPL clubs I wouldn't swap him for .

[MWHIBBIES]

"At least half the league games". What a bizarre defence. So you accept the other times he's crap. Jeez - its almost like you and MW are the same person. I don't rate Newell but that doesn't mean I'm wrong in my assessment anymore than you are right. It's and opinion.
If I wanted to take the high horse I would get on my high horse and take the high ground.

Just saying.

What was odd was that throughout the months a particular poster has been defending Doidge regardless if what was obvious and as soon as he leaves - i'ts Newell . Newell is a divisive player. You seem to like him or think at least that he's a good player "half the time". I don't - that's not trolling . It's just an opinion.

I could easily agree with you
But then we would both be wrong

Its not odd. I support Hibs and their players. I've liked Doidge for years, not months. He was a cracking player before his injury.

[bigwheel]

Not that I have noticed no. In fact I am pretty confident in saying without fear of contradiction - EVERYONE sitting next to us front and behind are of the same opinion.
Same people for years- Doidge was like a man down and Newell is not the standard we need.

Maybe I in ten is an exaggeration - one in nine? Tell me a game he bossed? Was it Clyde?

Tell me what team in the SPL that Newell would walk into and the payers he could replace. We are supposedly the fourth biggest team in the country and yet we have the 8th or lower best midfield IMHO.
There are very few midfielders in Scottish SPL clubs I wouldn't swap him for .

Newell would get game time for any midfield outside of the old firm …. He’s one of our better players . It’s clear a decent number of Hibs fans don’t agree with that - but ask anyone that plays with him - they rate him highly . Or ask opposing managers . They would be delighted if he isn’t in our team . He’s far from perfect . But we are much better without him currently than without him . The fact you have that opinion is fine - doesn’t make it right though …

[hibsbollah]

Not that I have noticed no. In fact I am pretty confident in saying without fear of contradiction - EVERYONE sitting next to us front and behind are of the same opinion.
Same people for years- Doidge was like a man down and Newell is not the standard we need.

Maybe I in ten is an exaggeration - one in nine? Tell me a game he bossed? Was it Clyde?

Tell me what team in the SPL that Newell would walk into and the payers he could replace. We are supposedly the fourth biggest team in the country and yet we have the 8th or lower best midfield IMHO.
There are very few midfielders in Scottish SPL clubs I wouldn't swap him for .


It sounds like you and those sitting round you have a bad dose of this…

Groupthink is a psychological phenomenon that occurs within a group of people in which the desire for harmony or conformity in the group results in an irrational or dysfunctional decision-making outcome. Cohesiveness, or the desire for cohesiveness, in a group may produce a tendency among its members to agree at all costs.[1] This causes the group to minimize conflict and reach a consensus decision without critical evaluation.[2][3]

In terms of individual games, there’s been at least three already where he’s been MOTM or close to it. Kilmarnock, Rangers he was very good, to the point where there was ‘it’s time to give him credit and get off his back now threads’, Hearts he was decent, improved as the game went on. St Mirren he was stinking. St Johnstone I didn’t see but match report suggested he was solid and unspectacular. I’ve already said if you took 7 games he’d have 1 great game 5 mixed performances and 1 stinker.

[Hector Mudflap]

It sounds like you and those sitting round you have a bad dose of this…

Groupthink is a psychological phenomenon that occurs within a group of people in which the desire for harmony or conformity in the group results in an irrational or dysfunctional decision-making outcome. Cohesiveness, or the desire for cohesiveness, in a group may produce a tendency among its members to agree at all costs.[1] This causes the group to minimize conflict and reach a consensus decision without critical evaluation.[2][3]

In terms of individual games, there’s been at least three already where he’s been MOTM or close to it. Kilmarnock, Rangers he was very good, to the point where there was ‘it’s time to give him credit and get off his back now threads’, Hearts he was decent, improved as the game went on. St Mirren he was stinking. St Johnstone I didn’t see but match report suggested he was solid and unspectacular. I’ve already said if you took 7 games he’d have 1 great game 5 mixed performances and 1 stinker.

Well there's some free education on A Sunday night.
If only that were true , I don't think it is. Were a mixed bunch who disagree on a lot of things I hated (and I mean hated) Macey. I am thoroughly enjoying being shown as right (in my eyes) as now to a man they all agree with Marshall being a HUGE improvement. The point is we disagree on lots of points.

You (being one of Newells devotees) highlight his one in seven great performance grade. That probably averages out over a season as seven great games a season. For me - we need better. An acceptable performance where he's presumably a 5 out 10 is someone we need replaced - no?
I have no issues with you having opinions - its a forum of Hibs fans so that's the whole point. We all want a better team right?
Would you rather have Newell over Allan, Mcgeough or Mcginn?

[B.H.F.C]

Newell would get game time for any midfield outside of the old firm …. He’s one of our better players . It’s clear a decent number of Hibs fans don’t agree with that - but ask anyone that plays with him - they rate him highly . Or ask opposing managers . They would be delighted if he isn’t in our team . He’s far from perfect . But we are much better without him currently than without him . The fact you have that opinion is fine - doesn’t make it right though …

It’s fine all those people rating him highly, but we’ve been consistently poor in his area of the pitch with him in the team as one of our main midfield players.

Since he became a regular in the middle of the park (20/21 season) he’s not played in 17 league games and it’s generally had a positive impact on the team IMO (W9, D4, L4). I don’t think an opposing manager will ever really care if Newell plays or not, he’s just a fairly average midfield player in this league for me.

I do find him frustrating as I do think he’s capable of more. But I feel like I’ve been saying that for most of his time here. Even yesterday I thought he looked good at times but it’s just in bursts. If he can do some of the things he did yesterday more consistently, people will be happier with him. Above all else, hopefully the goal encourages him to shoot a bit more.

[xqnq1875]

He needs to stay consistent he can’t have 1 good game and then be pish for the next 10


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[MWHIBBIES]

He needs to stay consistent he can’t have 1 good game and then be pish for the next 10


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Thankfully that's never happened.

[hibsbollah]

Well there's some free education on A Sunday night.
If only that were true , I don't think it is. Were a mixed bunch who disagree on a lot of things I hated (and I mean hated) Macey. I am thoroughly enjoying being shown as right (in my eyes) as now to a man they all agree with Marshall being a HUGE improvement. The point is we disagree on lots of points.

You (being one of Newells devotees) highlight his one in seven great performance grade. That probably averages out over a season as seven great games a season. For me - we need better. An acceptable performance where he's presumably a 5 out 10 is someone we need replaced - no?
I have no issues with you having opinions - its a forum of Hibs fans so that's the whole point. We all want a better team right?
Would you rather have Newell over Allan, Mcgeough or Mcginn?

Oh please give it a rest. ‘Devotees’. Puleeeze.

[loanheadhibby]

I would say that not being able to back up your view and trying to weasel out is more obvious that Im right.

Doidge and Newel are way below the quality we need.
Norwich were the better tetra, first half - second half we were when we brought the youngsters on.
St Johnston were as crap as us and we were lucky lucky lucky to get the win.
Hearts were the better team
Rangers were the better team
Livi were as crap as us but still created more than us
St Mirren- blocked out but you know ...
Yesterday , we hung on against a ten man team of mediocre mid table just promoted journeymen.
If you really were there then you can't deny the last ten minutes of nail biting fear.

We have no midfield.
Don't waste your time on MW.
The fact he rated Doidge sums him up.

[Tricla]

Not much positives at the moment. Have you looked at the league table, we're 8th.
I've never been a Newell fan and we're struggling if he's one of our main players.
Surely you want any poster to give honest opinions.
I care deeply about my club but feel we are going nowhere at the moment.

We're 6 games into the season and 2 points behind 3rd. I bet you're immense in a crisis!

[hibee-boys]

First JDH showing off with a couple of goals when he had friends over watching now Joe stepping up when he had family up at the game. Our recruitment policy is all wrong, we clearly need to be recruiting friends and family to each game to incentivise the players to up their game😏

[Mutu]

This is a remarkable thread to read. Folk just talking past each other instead of actually reading what is being posted. No one is saying Newell is a world beater. No one is saying he has been consistently excellent for Hibs in his career. No one is even saying that he's been great this season. I agree with folk saying that we should be looking for improvements on him. This is the most obvious aspiration for any supporter of any football club: to improve the calibre of players at the club. It doesn't need said.

Having said all that, Newell has been fine this season. Not great, not *****. One of our better performers alongside Marshall, Cadden & Boyle. Folk that are sharpening their knives just 6 games into the season is ridiculous especially when our problems are general tactic issues combined with poor finishing.

Also as a general point, using the "folk who sit around me at ER agree" as a way of trying to justify any sort of argument is .net at its finest. Thanks for that.

[Tambo]

First JDH showing off with a couple of goals when he had friends over watching now Joe stepping up when he had family up at the game. Our recruitment policy is all wrong, we clearly need to be recruiting friends and family to each game to incentivise the players to up their game😏

Nice 👍 bring them every week

[WhileTheChief..]

Having said all that, Newell has been fine this season. Not great, not *****. .

So your view is that he's been fine.

Cool. Others disagree saying that he's been great or crap.

Nobody is right or wrong, they just have different views.

[worcesterhibby]

Good goal, well done Joe..ggtth

[basehibby]

Agree to disagree

....
He has played nearly a hundred games and scored 5 goals - the return is poor - really poor.
....



You are really over-egging the pudding in your attempt to double down on your wrongness.

Newell's goal return for Hibs has not been overly impressive agreed, but in the big scheme of things it's not really been poor - just about average for a central midfielder (After Saturday his tally is 6 in 110 appearances - averaging about 2 a season). Of course we all want all our players to score more and I think Newell would be the 1st to concede there is room for improvement in his scoring ratio. I've noticed him getting forward a lot more under Johnson though and I reckon he will likely improve on his goal scoring this season as a result - we'll see.

As we are all aware though, there is a lot more to being a decent central midfielder than scoring goals - such as ball retention, tackling, work rate, passing accuracy. Joe has brought these qualities to the table which is why successive managers have made him a regular in our starting lineup. You and your mates around you are not seeing that but for this season at least, Newell will likely continue to be a 1st pick central midfielder at Hibs - now that the window has Slammed Shut (it always does that) I hope you will get behind him and not make him a default scapegoat for the team's (hopefully infrequent) failings.

[Hector Mudflap]

Oh please give it a rest. ‘Devotees’. Puleeeze.


mega fan or groupie then
Is that better?

Defend him all you like its your opinion but I have a different one

I think he's weak

[Hector Mudflap]

This is a remarkable thread to read. Folk just talking past each other instead of actually reading what is being posted. No one is saying Newell is a world beater. No one is saying he has been consistently excellent for Hibs in his career. No one is even saying that he's been great this season. I agree with folk saying that we should be looking for improvements on him. This is the most obvious aspiration for any supporter of any football club: to improve the calibre of players at the club. It doesn't need said.

Having said all that, Newell has been fine this season. Not great, not *****. One of our better performers alongside Marshall, Cadden & Boyle. Folk that are sharpening their knives just 6 games into the season is ridiculous especially when our problems are general tactic issues combined with poor finishing.

Also as a general point, using the "folk who sit around me at ER agree" as a way of trying to justify any sort of argument is .net at its finest. Thanks for that.

You are most welcome,
Perhaps by mentioning that this is also the view held by the people who I attend the games with or sit near is me trying to show that it's not just a totally outlandish random view and I am not sitting at home watching the games on Sportscene and judging by the highlights.
Every supporter wants better you are right.
I don't get the love in with Newell - he flatters to deceive and although one can argue that he's better than the alternatives - thats not really saying a positive is it?
Im better than George Best at keepie uppy but would struggle to get in the team.

Well maybe not right now.

[Hector Mudflap]

The glass is half empty with you eh...

yep it probably is.

I cant deny thst
Hibs do that to people

See when you look at the fixture list - what teams do you look at and say - "good , easy three points'
What teams fans do you think look at the fixture list and go "awwww noooo its Hibs on Saturday"?

none is the answer.
Why is that?

[bigwheel]

yep it probably is.

I cant deny thst
Hibs do that to people

See when you look at the fixture list - what teams do you look at and say - "good , easy three points'
What teams fans do you think look at the fixture list and go "awwww noooo its Hibs on Saturday"?

none is the answer.
Why is that?

I’ve watched Hibs since a kid in 1970. We have been often poor, but the start and certain other periods, we have been excellent…one thing I can recall, Regardless of whether we were flying high or struggling, Is whenever I looked at a fixture and thought “easy win” …I will have most often been proven wrong. The top league of Scottish football is a tough league. Any team can beat any team in a given day.

Additionally, I can’t recall looking at a fixture list and thought “oh no, it’s X this week “. It’s football…we’re not kids, who thinks like that these days ?


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[Basildon Hibs]

Agree to disagree

Newell was good yesterday - not spectacular - not outstanding just acceptable.
He was playing on a pitch that had more space because they had ten men.

He has played nearly a hundred games and scored 5 goals - the return is poor - really poor.
One on one I wouldn't have been putting my money on him to score ever- a bit like Doidge.

I'ts not good enough.
He was better yesterday only because he had more room or maybe he thinks his position is under threat now?
IMHO he is far too lightweight and has little ability, Henderson has twice the goals in roughly half the games.
We need better than both.


Now that MWHibbies has lost his main man in Doidge it looks like it will be an all out love fest for Newell.
Both are/were part of the reason we have been so poor and boring to watch.

I will still be at Tannadice with my two boys if anyone wants a debate- I have been watching Hibs for over 40 years and seriously this last while has been dire. A team without personality - hopefully with Mckirdy we have the player we need.

This. 👍

[MWHIBBIES]

Don't waste your time on MW.
The fact he rated Doidge sums him up.

Yep, shows I have functioning eyes. Great player before his injury.

I'd rather rate hibs players than slaughter then every chance I get. As I've said, no idea why you support Hibs. Not only do you slaughter the players but you start fights with anyone who dare to rate them. Pathetic .

[theonlywayisup]

This is a remarkable thread to read. Folk just talking past each other instead of actually reading what is being posted. No one is saying Newell is a world beater. No one is saying he has been consistently excellent for Hibs in his career. No one is even saying that he's been great this season. I agree with folk saying that we should be looking for improvements on him. This is the most obvious aspiration for any supporter of any football club: to improve the calibre of players at the club. It doesn't need said.

Having said all that, Newell has been fine this season. Not great, not *****. One of our better performers alongside Marshall, Cadden & Boyle. Folk that are sharpening their knives just 6 games into the season is ridiculous especially when our problems are general tactic issues combined with poor finishing.

Also as a general point, using the "folk who sit around me at ER agree" as a way of trying to justify any sort of argument is .net at its finest. Thanks for that.

Excellent post! Deserves a reply!

Thankfully, we're all different so it's not surprising that people will view actions differently.

IMO, all of our midfielders have proven that they are good players but have moments when they disappoint. Joe Newell can be a very frustrating player to watch. Like Saturday, he can have moments when he looks a very good player. However, I think the majority will agree that he can take too many touches and is slow to play the forward pass, especially if he needs to use his right foot.

Worldbeater - No! Pish - No! He oscillates between those two extremes. Do we need better, definitely!

[LeithMike]

Yep, shows I have functioning eyes. Great player before his injury.

I'd rather rate hibs players than slaughter then every chance I get. As I've said, no idea why you support Hibs. Not only do you slaughter the players but you start fights with anyone who dare to rate them. Pathetic .Stevie Mallan?

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[MWHIBBIES]

Stevie Mallan?

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What about him?

I never had any personal issue with him, didn't call him pish and didn't insult others who liked him. I was delighted when we signed him and thought he had a good start, but his all round game was poor and he got found out. I always backed him when he played and gave him credit when it was due.

[Callum_62]

Would you rather have Newell over Allan, Mcgeough or Mcginn?

Considering 2 of the 3 were free agents, 1 couldn't get a prem team and is now part time at the team bottom of the championship and the other is still a free agent

I'd rather have Joe Newell


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[Hector Mudflap]

Considering 2 of the 3 were free agents, 1 couldn't get a orem team and us now part time at the team bottom of the championship and the other is still a free agent

I'd rather have Joe Newell


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yea like asking if you would rather have Smith Johnstone Riley Turnbull or Ormond.
Newell is at the top of his game assumedly - so compared to Mcginn Mcgeough or Allan at their prime.

Or Mallan for that matter
Or mcgennis ?

You stick with Newell?

[Hibernian Verse]

yea like asking if you would rather have Smith Johnstone Riley Turnbull or Ormond.
Newell is at the top of his game assumedly - so compared to Mcginn Mcgeough or Allan at their prime.

Or Mallan for that matter
Or mcgennis ?

You stick with Newell?

This is ridiculous. They aren't options at their prime for us right now.

I'd take Messi in his prime too but that won't happen.

[hibsbollah]

Joe Newell is trending more than Joe Lycett with the troll community this morning.

[Libby Hibby]

Well played Joe on Saturday, more performances like Saturday will keep the wolves from the door, me being one of them.

However, credit where it’s due.

[neil7908]

I think consistency is the key word here.

I've seen Joe play some brilliant games for Hibs and some pretty terrible ones.

I'm not expecting him to play a blinder every week but he is by far the most experienced player for us in that area of the park and I want to see more performances like Saturday from him.

We also can't leave the burden of goal scoring from midfield on him. A fit Magennis will make a massive difference imo.

[Hector Mudflap]

This is ridiculous. They aren't options at their prime for us right now.

I'd take Messi in his prime too but that won't happen.

That was the point I was trying to make

What I would have been better saying was
Newell isn't nearly as good as some of the players we had recently when they were all in their respective "prime" . I think we can do better.
I think we have better.
Just my opinion.

[Hector Mudflap]

Joe Newell is trending more than Joe Lycett with the troll community this morning.


Possibly because the majority of us Trolls think he's not as good as other people and Joe himself think . Glad he played better than normal on Saturday and his relatives got a good show though.

[Hector Mudflap]

Yep, shows I have functioning eyes. Great player before his injury.

I'd rather rate hibs players than slaughter then every chance I get. As I've said, no idea why you support Hibs. Not only do you slaughter the players but you start fights with anyone who dare to rate them. Pathetic .


IMHO you blindly support Hibs players when they could probably do better. Sometimes criticism is due - it's not pathetic to want better is it?
Doidge was almost like playing a man down for months and you continued to big him up- your assertion in a previous post that you had proof of functioning eyes is therefore highly in doubt.

[easty]

IMHO you blindly support Hibs players when they could probably do better. Sometimes criticism is due - it's not pathetic to want better is it?
Doidge was almost like playing a man down for months and you continued to big him up- your assertion in a previous post that you had proof of functioning eyes is therefore highly in doubt.

Sometimes criticism is due, at last I agree with something you’ve posted!

In the days after a win, in a thread about the player who scored the goal and got man of the match…that’s no the time that criticism is due.

[Callum_62]

Sometimes criticism is due, at last I agree with something you’ve posted!

In the days after a win, in a thread about the player who scored the goal and got man of the match…that’s no the time that criticism is due.[emoji106][emoji106][emoji106]

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[MWHIBBIES]

IMHO you blindly support Hibs players when they could probably do better. Sometimes criticism is due - it's not pathetic to want better is it?
Doidge was almost like playing a man down for months and you continued to big him up- your assertion in a previous post that you had proof of functioning eyes is therefore highly in doubt.

It isn't pathetic to want better. It's pathetic to actively dislike Hibs players and refuse to give them any credit.

I thought doidge was an excellent player before his injury. I wanted him to get back to that level because we needed it. Nothing wrong with that.

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

It isn't pathetic to want better. It's pathetic to actively dislike Hibs players and refuse to give them any credit.

I thought doidge was an excellent player before his injury. I wanted him to get back to that level because we needed it. Nothing wrong with that.

Totally agree with you but you done that very same thing with Stevie Mallan.

[BILLYHIBS]

Totally agree with you but you done that very same thing with Stevie Mallan.

:hnetinq:

[jacomo]

I think consistency is the key word here.

I've seen Joe play some brilliant games for Hibs and some pretty terrible ones.

I'm not expecting him to play a blinder every week but he is by far the most experienced player for us in that area of the park and I want to see more performances like Saturday from him.

We also can't leave the burden of goal scoring from midfield on him. A fit Magennis will make a massive difference imo.


Yes indeed. Here’s hoping Joe can deliver a series of consistently good performances for us now.

[flash]

Possibly because the majority of us Trolls think he's not as good as other people and Joe himself think . Glad he played better than normal on Saturday and his relatives got a good show though.

How good does Newell think he is himself and how do you know?

[Callum_62]

How good does Newell think he is himself and how do you know?Based on the condition of his hair, I'd say very good

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[Libby Hibby]

I’m struggling to see how our goal scorer and MOM on Saturday is coming under so much negative ridicule.

Can folk not just say ‘yip, he played well on Saturday’ when it was obvious he did?

[Hibernian Verse]

Based on the condition of his hair, I'd say very good

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It's bizarre but he would get much less stick if he was ugly and bald.

[hibsbollah]

It's bizarre but he would get much less stick if he was ugly and bald.

:agree: His hair can only really be described as LUSTROUS.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7bakst2ask

[Bridge hibs]

It's bizarre but he would get much less stick if he was ugly and bald.Didnt help Stevie ‘booked for being ugly’ Fulton 🤮

[Key West]

I’m struggling to see how our goal scorer and MOM on Saturday is coming under so much negative ridicule.

Can folk not just say ‘yip, he played well on Saturday’ when it was obvious he did?

They obviously can’t it is rotational Newell, Campbell, Doyle-Hayes and Henderson on a loop, if it was the Real Madrid forum that would make sense.

[superfurryhibby]

I’m struggling to see how our goal scorer and MOM on Saturday is coming under so much negative ridicule.

Can folk not just say ‘yip, he played well on Saturday’ when it was obvious he did?

TBF, it's not folk, it's one guy and he's not getting much support for his view.

Newell did well enough on Saturday, I'm pleased he got the goal. It might encourage and give him a bit more confidence.

FWIW, I'm not a huge fan, perhaps because he is actually a decent footballer, I often hope/wish for more from him. However, he's going to be one of our main midfielders this season, so it's a well done to Joe and keep it up from me.

[basehibby]

I’m struggling to see how our goal scorer and MOM on Saturday is coming under so much negative ridicule.

Can folk not just say ‘yip, he played well on Saturday’ when it was obvious he did?

I have to put my hand up - could not resist having a poke at those who have been increasingly piling on with hateful pish directed towards Newell in recent times - to ridiculous extremes such that it was in danger of becoming a self fulfilling prophecy (players do not live in a bubble & OTT hateful pish can affect mood and confidence - witness Rocky's comments in preseason). Some have been gracious and given credit where it's due - others have been curmudgeonly and basically doubled down on their pish to which others have responded. Hence the handbags.

[Hibernian Verse]

Didnt help Stevie ‘booked for being ugly’ Fulton 🤮

He is at the opposite end of the scale :greengrin

[loanheadhibby]

You are really over-egging the pudding in your attempt to double down on your wrongness.

Newell's goal return for Hibs has not been overly impressive agreed, but in the big scheme of things it's not really been poor - just about average for a central midfielder (After Saturday his tally is 6 in 110 appearances - averaging about 2 a season). Of course we all want all our players to score more and I think Newell would be the 1st to concede there is room for improvement in his scoring ratio. I've noticed him getting forward a lot more under Johnson though and I reckon he will likely improve on his goal scoring this season as a result - we'll see.

As we are all aware though, there is a lot more to being a decent central midfielder than scoring goals - such as ball retention, tackling, work rate, passing accuracy. Joe has brought these qualities to the table which is why successive managers have made him a regular in our starting lineup. You and your mates around you are not seeing that but for this season at least, Newell will likely continue to be a 1st pick central midfielder at Hibs - now that the window has Slammed Shut (it always does that) I hope you will get behind him and not make him a default scapegoat for the team's (hopefully infrequent) failings.

Is 2 a season really about average for a decent central midfielder?
Not saying you're wrong.

[ian cruise]

I've been critical of Newell, I'm more than happy to be proven wrong. I hope that he continues to gather praise and prove to the world I know little (we maybe did not need that confirmed 😁).

[Bridge hibs]

He is at the opposite end of the scale :greengrinTotally off the scale mate 🤣

[basehibby]

Is 2 a season really about average for a decent central midfielder?
Not saying you're wrong.

Yes thereabouts - of course you get different kinds of midfielder and some hardly ever score at all.

Reasonable example would be a more than decent midfield of recent times - McGinn, McGeough & Allan - all played for Hibs in the SPL in 2017-18 season:

McGinn - 6
McGeough - 0
Allan - 3

So they averaged 3 a piece that season. Another way of looking at it would be their combined career goal ratio:

McGinn - 388/38
McGeough - 242/6
Allan - 240/23
Total - 870/67 - That's just over 1 every 13 games on average which still translates to about 3 a season.

I think that's a pretty fair comparison as we'd all agree these players made up a very good Hibs midfield with a natural 6, 8 & 10 in there.
FWIW by the way I would certainly like to see Joe Newell score more goals - and I think he would be the first to admit he wants to add that to his game. This season I think there's a good chance he will do that as Johnson appears to be using/coaching him slightly differently to his predecesors and Joe is noticeably getting into the box more often and playing more forward passes.

[Hector Mudflap]

How good does Newell think he is himself and how do you know?

Because Im a troll who naturally has mystical powers.

I don't think he's very good and cant see why thats such a mystery. People saying he was the best player on Saturday are forgetting that he played better than he had recently but he had much more room because they had ten men. He may well have been as ineffective as previously had they kept eleven on the park- who knows.

"Credit where credits due"

Great finish for the goal - well sort of seeing as he hammered his first shot straight at the wall.

Had he ballooned the rebound over the bar (as a lot of people would have expected) and we drew 0-0 would people be fanning all over him now?
He was above average in a below average team on Saturday.

It doesn't make me tremendously happy.
I would rather we still had Mallan as I figured he offered more of a goal threat.

Im not one of these people to moan at players during the game despite what some of you might think - I certainly wouldn't shout anything negative at one of our players.
I just think we can get better and I hope for better
People moan week in week out about our lack of a midfield or we lack creativity- well there's only two or three of the team that can control that and Newell is one of them.



onwards to Tannadice

[superfurryhibby]

Because Im a troll who naturally has mystical powers.

I don't think he's very good and cant see why thats such a mystery. People saying he was the best player on Saturday are forgetting that he played better than he had recently but he had much more room because they had ten men. He may well have been as ineffective as previously had they kept eleven on the park- who knows.

"Credit where credits due"

Great finish for the goal - well sort of seeing as he hammered his first shot straight at the wall.

Had he ballooned the rebound over the bar (as a lot of people would have expected) and we drew 0-0 would people be fanning all over him now?
He was above average in a below average team on Saturday.

It doesn't make me tremendously happy.
I would rather we still had Mallan as I figured he offered more of a goal threat.

Im not one of these people to moan at players during the game despite what some of you might think - I certainly wouldn't shout anything negative at one of our players.
I just think we can get better and I hope for better
People moan week in week out about our lack of a midfield or we lack creativity- well there's only two or three of the team that can control that and Newell is one of them.



onwards to Tannadice

The keeper actually saved his free kick and it ran back to him.

I think criticism of Newell is valid. Neither he, JDH or Josh Campbell do much for me and for whatever reason the club haven't seen fit to buy better. Not much we can do about that, so we back what's on the field, like you do.

[RIP]

Saturday was Joe's second Man of the Match Award this season.

It won't be his last.

[MWHIBBIES]

Because Im a troll who naturally has mystical powers.

I don't think he's very good and cant see why thats such a mystery. People saying he was the best player on Saturday are forgetting that he played better than he had recently but he had much more room because they had ten men. He may well have been as ineffective as previously had they kept eleven on the park- who knows.

"Credit where credits due"

Great finish for the goal - well sort of seeing as he hammered his first shot straight at the wall.

Had he ballooned the rebound over the bar (as a lot of people would have expected) and we drew 0-0 would people be fanning all over him now?
He was above average in a below average team on Saturday.

It doesn't make me tremendously happy.
I would rather we still had Mallan as I figured he offered more of a goal threat.

Im not one of these people to moan at players during the game despite what some of you might think - I certainly wouldn't shout anything negative at one of our players.
I just think we can get better and I hope for better
People moan week in week out about our lack of a midfield or we lack creativity- well there's only two or three of the team that can control that and Newell is one of them.



onwards to Tannadice

So basically good performances against 10 men don't count. The goalie saving a shot is the same as hitting the wall and you'd rather we had a much worse player in Mallan because he scored more goals.

Newell put 2 on a plate for our forwards. Bojang and Youan missed. Not his fault.

[loanheadhibby]

Saturday was Joe's second Man of the Match Award this season.

It won't be his last.

Decided by who?

[Hibees1973]

I've mentioned a few times that he is the best midfielder at the club by a mile.

There is such a chasm in the ability he has compared to the likes of Doyle-Hayes, Henderson & Kenneh. Joe has had plenty of games at a really good level down south and it shows. He is experienced and has great ability on the ball. He does lack a bit of pace and this is why he is often found out when tracking back.

He does have the odd howler, but let's face it, that's why he is here. If he was consistent day in/day out he would not be here. Some of the time he gets dragged down to the level of the other players we have at the club.

No doubt if he doesn't play well next week the usual complaints will pop up, but Joe is one of our key players along with Marshall & Boyle.

[Allant1981]

Because Im a troll who naturally has mystical powers.

I don't think he's very good and cant see why thats such a mystery. People saying he was the best player on Saturday are forgetting that he played better than he had recently but he had much more room because they had ten men. He may well have been as ineffective as previously had they kept eleven on the park- who knows.

"Credit where credits due"

Great finish for the goal - well sort of seeing as he hammered his first shot straight at the wall.

Had he ballooned the rebound over the bar (as a lot of people would have expected) and we drew 0-0 would people be fanning all over him now?
He was above average in a below average team on Saturday.

It doesn't make me tremendously happy.
I would rather we still had Mallan as I figured he offered more of a goal threat.

Im not one of these people to moan at players during the game despite what some of you might think - I certainly wouldn't shout anything negative at one of our players.
I just think we can get better and I hope for better
People moan week in week out about our lack of a midfield or we lack creativity- well there's only two or three of the team that can control that and Newell is one of them.



onwards to Tannadice

So he didn't hit his free kick straight at the wall and he didn't balloon it over the bar so why even bother typing stuff like that. You are entitled to your opinion on a player and its clear you don't rate newell but don't just make stuff up

Below average? We dominated almost every part of the game, no doubt you will come back and say only 10 men like it makes such a huge difference every single time a team goes down to 10 men, we certainly weren't below average, it wasn't a vintage display but certainly wasn't below average

[hibsbollah]

I've mentioned a few times that he is the best midfielder at the club by a mile.

There is such a chasm in the ability he has compared to the likes of Doyle-Hayes, Henderson & Kenneh. Joe has had plenty of games at a really good level down south and it shows. He is experienced and has great ability on the ball. He does lack a bit of pace and this is why he is often found out when tracking back.

He does have the odd howler, but let's face it, that's why he is here. If he was consistent day in/day out he would not be here. Some of the time he gets dragged down to the level of the other players we have at the club.

No doubt if he doesn't play well next week the usual complaints will pop up, but Joe is one of our key players along with Marshall & Boyle.

The club has some of his other stats on their website. Leaving his goal aside, what about his overall contribution? Played 90 minutes, Touches 58, Final Third passes 18, Recoveries 8, Duels Won 8, Key Passes 3, Shots 3.

[Libby Hibby]

Because Im a troll who naturally has mystical powers.

I don't think he's very good and cant see why thats such a mystery. People saying he was the best player on Saturday are forgetting that he played better than he had recently but he had much more room because they had ten men. He may well have been as ineffective as previously had they kept eleven on the park- who knows.

"Credit where credits due"

Great finish for the goal - well sort of seeing as he hammered his first shot straight at the wall.

Had he ballooned the rebound over the bar (as a lot of people would have expected) and we drew 0-0 would people be fanning all over him now?
He was above average in a below average team on Saturday.

It doesn't make me tremendously happy.
I would rather we still had Mallan as I figured he offered more of a goal threat.

Im not one of these people to moan at players during the game despite what some of you might think - I certainly wouldn't shout anything negative at one of our players.
I just think we can get better and I hope for better
People moan week in week out about our lack of a midfield or we lack creativity- well there's only two or three of the team that can control that and Newell is one of them.



onwards to Tannadice

Your whole argument is based on a hypothetical situation that never happened.

Just imagine if that Hertz debutant didn’t play the Livi scorer on side at The Tony Macaroni…he might’ve have been slightly less crap.

[Callum_62]

Hows stevie mallan doing at Salford?

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[MWHIBBIES]

Hows stevie mallan doing at Salford?

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Appears to have not played a minute, must be injured.

[One Day Soon]

So basically good performances against 10 men don't count. The goalie saving a shot is the same as hitting the wall and you'd rather we had a much worse player in Mallan because he scored more goals.

Newell put 2 on a plate for our forwards. Bojang and Youan missed. Not his fault.


I'm certainly of the view that performances against ten men - by an individual or the whole side - need to be treated with a lot of caution. Having said that I am warming to Newell.

He is undoubtedly inconsistent but I suspect a lot of that is to do with the formation he is placed in and the other players around him. It's a situation which reminds me a bit of when Steve Archibald came to us. For the first few games I thought Archibald was done and hopeless, then I suddenly realised that he was so vastly far ahead of the rest of the players around him that in fact they weren't up to much be he really was. He just thought and played two or three steps ahead of them.

I'm not saying Newell is an Archibald at all but I do think that playing him in a midfield that works means we get a hell of a lot more out of him. Unfortunately we didn't make the signing we needed in midfield and so I suspect we will continue to struggle to make it work with what we've got - and Newell will pay some of the price for that here and elsewhere.

[Bridge hibs]

Because Im a troll who naturally has mystical powers.

I don't think he's very good and cant see why thats such a mystery. People saying he was the best player on Saturday are forgetting that he played better than he had recently but he had much more room because they had ten men. He may well have been as ineffective as previously had they kept eleven on the park- who knows.

"Credit where credits due"

Great finish for the goal - well sort of seeing as he hammered his first shot straight at the wall.

Had he ballooned the rebound over the bar (as a lot of people would have expected) and we drew 0-0 would people be fanning all over him now?
He was above average in a below average team on Saturday.

It doesn't make me tremendously happy.
I would rather we still had Mallan as I figured he offered more of a goal threat.

Im not one of these people to moan at players during the game despite what some of you might think - I certainly wouldn't shout anything negative at one of our players.
I just think we can get better and I hope for better
People moan week in week out about our lack of a midfield or we lack creativity- well there's only two or three of the team that can control that and Newell is one of them.



onwards to TannadiceCredit where credits due, he hammered his first shot straight at the wall ? 🤣 think you should watch it again and offer him a bit more credit then because his shot went through the wall and the keeper saved it, cracking finish on the rebound 👍

[007]

Appears to have not played a minute, must be injured.

At least he'll be getting paid though. Wonder if he'll manage to get any of what the Turkish club owe him. Don't know how that gets sorted, if FIFA can do anything or if it's an entirely legal matter.

[The Modfather]

I've mentioned a few times that he is the best midfielder at the club by a mile.

There is such a chasm in the ability he has compared to the likes of Doyle-Hayes, Henderson & Kenneh. Joe has had plenty of games at a really good level down south and it shows. He is experienced and has great ability on the ball. He does lack a bit of pace and this is why he is often found out when tracking back.

He does have the odd howler, but let's face it, that's why he is here. If he was consistent day in/day out he would not be here. Some of the time he gets dragged down to the level of the other players we have at the club.

No doubt if he doesn't play well next week the usual complaints will pop up, but Joe is one of our key players along with Marshall & Boyle.

Newell gets dragged down to the levels of others? Chasm of ability between him and the other midfielders? That’s as unbalanced as some of the criticisms he gets.

[MrSmith]

I'm glad he had a good game but he is not my type of midfielder and I don't think he deserves to be first choice on the team sheet.

[007]

His perfectly weighted ball picking out Youan in the box is worthy of a mention.

https://youtu.be/53ZF_WbilNw?t=275

[Shrekko]

I'm glad he had a good game but he is not my type of midfielder and I don't think he deserves to be first choice on the team sheet.

It’s a shame he’s not your type of player. He can probably take solace from the fact that all the managers he plays under seem to think he’s pretty decent.

We’ve had a few surprising hate figures amongst some fans in recent times but this is the strangest by far. It’s probably hair jealousy.

[hibsbollah]

It’s a shame he’s not your type of player. He can probably take solace from the fact that all the managers he plays under seem to think he’s pretty decent.

We’ve had a few surprising hate figures amongst some fans in recent times but this is the strangest by far. It’s probably hair jealousy.

He's not really my type either. Ive always liked redheads.

[Mcbizz1998]

I like Joe. I think he fulfils his role well, it’s other midfielders that are the let down. Magennis in there with him would be a huge boost and bring some balance.

It’s a big if, but if he gets fit we could have a good season and JN will be a big part of it.

[WeeRussell]

It’s a shame he’s not your type of player. He can probably take solace from the fact that all the managers he plays under seem to think he’s pretty decent.

We’ve had a few surprising hate figures amongst some fans in recent times but this is the strangest by far. It’s probably hair jealousy.

I disagree for two reasons.

One being that Hanlon, Stevenson etc have all taken a ridiculous amount of stick on here in the past. It’s not more strange that Joe, part of a poor team for a long time now, gets it too.

Also it seemed like a majority on here weren’t huge fans of Joe before Saturday. While I agree there’s no place for some of the constant abuse he gets (and that it wouldn’t hurt to just acknowledge his good game at the weekend) it doesn’t suddenly make it strange that people still think we can do better in that position

I would like his hair though.

[degenerated]

Possibly because the majority of us Trolls think he's not as good as other people and Joe himself think . Glad he played better than normal on Saturday and his relatives got a good show though.How good does Newell think he is?

[hibsbollah]

How good does Newell think he is?

'It (scoring) doesnt happen often does it? (laugh) I thought I only scored against Bonnyrigg or in training'


https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=HWKMF7LosZo

[The Modfather]

It’s a shame he’s not your type of player. He can probably take solace from the fact that all the managers he plays under seem to think he’s pretty decent.

We’ve had a few surprising hate figures amongst some fans in recent times but this is the strangest by far. It’s probably hair jealousy.

Does that same logic apply to the likes of Fred and McTominay at Man U. They have consistently played under numerous managers. Does that mean that the general consensus that they aren’t good enough is invalid as successive managers have thought they were good enough?

[B.H.F.C]

'It (scoring) doesnt happen often does it? (laugh) I thought I only scored against Bonnyrigg or in training'


https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=HWKMF7LosZo

I just listened to that and he basically says that he needs to start doing all the things that he’s routinely criticised for. Talks about needing to score more, playing too deep.

Think he showed things, in flashes, on Saturday that show he’s capable (that’s also been one of the big criticisms of him over time in that people think he is capable). Don’t think anyone expects him to be scoring every week but if he could chip in with half a dozen goals in the league it would make a massive difference to us.

[Mainstandman]

I just listened to that and he basically says that he needs to start doing all the things that he’s routinely criticised for. Talks about needing to score more, playing too deep.

Think he showed things, in flashes, on Saturday that show he’s capable (that’s also been one of the big criticisms of him over time in that people think he is capable). Don’t think anyone expects him to be scoring every week but if he could chip in with half a dozen goals in the league it would make a massive difference to us.


It appears to me that the players are under more coaching scrutiny. not to criticise but to point out where they need to improve and provide coaching to help with that. having frank discussions with anyone you manage and then try to improve them is one of the hardest skills to master but provides the greatest reward for your both. you do need the player to be coachable though.

[B.H.F.C]

It appears to me that the players are under more coaching scrutiny. not to criticise but to point out where they need to improve and provide coaching to help with that. having frank discussions with anyone you manage and then try to improve them is one of the hardest skills to master but provides the greatest reward for your both. you do need the player to be coachable though.

My biggest pet hate in football is hearing that a midfielder is this or that. It’s a bit of an old fashioned view, but midfielders need to do a bit of everything. Even if you look at Kenneh, everyone will identify him as a defensive midfielder which he obviously is but he still gets forward and tries to do a bit more when he can. Already got a goal, should have scored against Hearts, had a decent effort from edge of the box at the weekend as well.

That kind of thing has to be encouraged by management but agree with your last point, the players have to have that bit desire to go and do it as well.

[hibsbollah]

I just listened to that and he basically says that he needs to start doing all the things that he’s routinely criticised for. Talks about needing to score more, playing too deep.

Think he showed things, in flashes, on Saturday that show he’s capable (that’s also been one of the big criticisms of him over time in that people think he is capable). Don’t think anyone expects him to be scoring every week but if he could chip in with half a dozen goals in the league it would make a massive difference to us.

It seemed like a thoughtful lot of responses to me, as you say you can sense someone probably Johnson, had been talking about areas he needs to work on.

[jeffers]

I just listened to that and he basically says that he needs to start doing all the things that he’s routinely criticised for. Talks about needing to score more, playing too deep.

Think he showed things, in flashes, on Saturday that show he’s capable (that’s also been one of the big criticisms of him over time in that people think he is capable). Don’t think anyone expects him to be scoring every week but if he could chip in with half a dozen goals in the league it would make a massive difference to us.

Totally agree. Newell probably gets more criticism than most players because he does have ability and when he’s at it he’s excellent. There will be disagreement about how often he is at it, but I think it’s fair to say it could be more than he’s currently producing.

[Key West]

What bothers me is the not good enough for Hibs comments having watched the likes of Stanton, Latapy and Sauzee I think the standard is where it is at now, the other guys were exceptional and we've all seen better and seen worse than the current personel.The reality is we have to get the best out of the players we have.

[Yorkshire HFC]

He's not really my type either. Ive always liked redheads.

Imagine just coming home from work and reading the sort of nonsense footballers have to deal with about themselves. That's why I think they can't get paid enough.

Football fans really are the worst.

[B.H.F.C]

Imagine just coming home from work and reading the sort of nonsense footballers have to deal with about themselves. That's why I think they can't get paid enough.

Football fans really are the worst.

The worst of what?

Opinions and debate are all part of football. I’ve just been on a Teams call for an hour getting slaughtered from a bunch of unhappy building contractors. Getting a bit stick at work isn’t unique to football players.

[Since452]

Imagine just coming home from work and reading the sort of nonsense footballers have to deal with about themselves. That's why I think they can't get paid enough.

Football fans really are the worst.

I hope most of them don't read fans forums and stay off the socials. I wouldn't be anywhere near them if I was a professional footballer.

[superfurryhibby]

I just listened to that and he basically says that he needs to start doing all the things that he’s routinely criticised for. Talks about needing to score more, playing too deep.

Think he showed things, in flashes, on Saturday that show he’s capable (that’s also been one of the big criticisms of him over time in that people think he is capable). Don’t think anyone expects him to be scoring every week but if he could chip in with half a dozen goals in the league it would make a massive difference to us.

Is this a result of the coaching he gets? I sometimes think risk averse coaches can stifle the life out of creativity, or is it Joe's natural instincts as a player?


Totally agree. Newell probably gets more criticism than most players because he does have ability and when he’s at it he’s excellent. There will be disagreement about how often he is at it, but I think it’s fair to say it could be more than he’s currently producing.

I agree. It's hard to criticise a player when they just lack the ability to do what fans want. In joe's case, I think he is a a decent footballer, perhaps lacking a bit in confidence in his right foot and ability to use it when situations demand. Overall, he has the talent to do more and be more influential in games. Fans are fickle etc, but most know what a player is capable of, that's where a lot of criticism comes from with Newell

[Brightside]

Does that same logic apply to the likes of Fred and McTominay at Man U. They have consistently played under numerous managers. Does that mean that the general consensus that they aren’t good enough is invalid as successive managers have thought they were good enough?

Yes

[MWHIBBIES]

Does that same logic apply to the likes of Fred and McTominay at Man U. They have consistently played under numerous managers. Does that mean that the general consensus that they aren’t good enough is invalid as successive managers have thought they were good enough?

Fred is a good player. Gets a game for a good Brazil side too.

[Zambernardi1875]

Fred is a good player. Gets a game for a good Brazil side too.

Fred is a drugs cheat

[J-C]

Can't believe this is another thread re Newell, it's fairly easy to see that Newell is a talented player and his biggest problem has been getting consistency in his game, if he can get that consistency then there won't be threads like this.

[WeeRussell]

Can't believe this is another thread re Newell, it's fairly easy to see that Newell is a talented player and his biggest problem has been getting consistency in his game, if he can get that consistency then there won't be threads like this.

So you can believe there’s still threads like this then 😀

[Shrekko]

Does that same logic apply to the likes of Fred and McTominay at Man U. They have consistently played under numerous managers. Does that mean that the general consensus that they aren’t good enough is invalid as successive managers have thought they were good enough?

I'd say so aye.

Who's opinion is more valid- Mourinho, Ten Hag etc., or a load of angry fans?

Sometimes it's maybe other areas of the team that are lacking and people are just being scapegoated because they're not super flashy or whatever?

[The Modfather]

I'd say so aye.

Who's opinion is more valid- Mourinho, Ten Hag etc., or a load of angry fans?

Sometimes it's maybe other areas of the team that are lacking and people are just being scapegoated because they're not super flashy or whatever?

Why are you painting those with an opinion different to you negatively? “Angry fans”, those angry fans that don’t rate Newell are a minority. Just like it wouldn’t be fair to classify all of those that rate Newell as dismissing his bad games because others around him drag him down as someone said a page back.

I don’t think it’s unreasonable to view Newell as an average SPL midfielder. On his day can be a top player, not on his day can have no influence on a game. Much like most in the league. I also don’t see it as unreasonable to think Fred & McTominay aren’t bad players but severely limited at the top level and managers have paid the price for not addressing it, much like us. Look at Wenger, how many years did he persist with a powderpuff midfield, much to his detriment. Were the majority of football fans that observed that area as his blind spot wrong because Wenger didn’t see it as a part of the team that didn’t work?

[Shrekko]

Why are you painting those with an opinion different to you negatively? “Angry fans”, those angry fans that don’t rate Newell are a minority. Just like it wouldn’t be fair to classify all of those that rate Newell as dismissing his bad games because others around him drag him down as someone said a page back.

I don’t think it’s unreasonable to view Newell as an average SPL midfielder. On his day can be a top player, not on his day can have no influence on a game. Much like most in the league. I also don’t see it as unreasonable to think Fred & McTominay aren’t bad players but severely limited at the top level and managers have paid the price for not addressing it, much like us. Look at Wenger, how many years did he persist with a powderpuff midfield, much to his detriment. Were the majority of football fans that observed that area as his blind spot wrong because Wenger didn’t see it as a part of the team that didn’t work?

I think you're reading into the 'angry fans' a bit much- I just meant when people are criticising they tend to be wound up. In saying that- some of the stuff I've read (mainly on FB or twitter to be fair) is just absolutely ludicrous and it's a heck of a lot more than how people 'rate' the player compared to me. Fact is, I'm not actually his biggest fan and can see his flaws but if he was even half as bad as some are claiming then NO manager would even think about playing him- I think that's what I'm getting at.

You're saying great managers have 'paid the price' specifically for picking certain players? I don't think it's anything like as simple as that but this is the sort of thing I'm talking about- basically scapegoating. One of the first things I saw was a comment on social media after the Livi game from somebody saying simply 'we have to get rid of Newell' as if that's the magic wand- it's just utterly irrational as are comments we read on here using words like 'inept' to describe him. Just absolute rubbish whether you think he's average, good or below average. Also saw a guy on twitter getting arsey with Hibs for apparently mentioning Newell was MOTM too often at the weekend, which sum it's up for me.

[Wilson]

Fred is a drugs cheat

I'm telling Wilma.

[CapitalGreen]

Fred is a good player. Gets a game for a good Brazil side too.

So did Roque Junior.

[J-C]

So you can believe there’s still threads like this then 😀


Tell me how many threads do we need to go over the same things almost on a weekly basis, Newell is a decent player who is inconsistent and that's why he plays for us and not at a higher level, this goes for the majority of the squad too, good players who stand out generally get sold, McGinn, Fletcher, Brown, Whittaker, Thomson etc.

[WeeRussell]

Tell me how many threads do we need to go over the same things almost on a weekly basis, Newell is a decent player who is inconsistent and that's why he plays for us and not at a higher level, this goes for the majority of the squad too, good players who stand out generally get sold, McGinn, Fletcher, Brown, Whittaker, Thomson etc.

I don’t know how many threads we need. It was just a light-hearted post pointing out that you stated your disbelief at all these threads, said Newell is inconsistent, and that’s the reason for the threads.

For what it’s worth I’m somewhat against the grain in that I don’t think consistency is his biggest problem (I don’t buy this one great game in 5 patter). For me he’s just not that good (never great) without being as bad as some make out. Hopefully he continues to put in MOTM performances and adds more goals too.

[J-C]

I don’t know how many threads we need. It was just a light-hearted post pointing out that you stated your disbelief at all these threads, said Newell is inconsistent, and that’s the reason for the threads.


I get that mate, we just seem to have multiple threads on Newell every season so far, can we not all just agree he's decent but inconsistent.

[WeeRussell]

I get that mate, we just seem to have multiple threads on Newell every season so far, can we not all just agree he's decent but inconsistent.

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Although no since I’ve just edited my post doing the opposite 😂😂. Agree to disagree I can manage though 👍

[J-C]

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Although no since I’ve just edited my post doing the opposite 😂😂. Agree to disagree I can manage though 👍


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[Zambernardi1875]

Seen Snodgrass signs for hearts, exactly the player we needed.

[superfurryhibby]

Seen Snodgrass signs for hearts, exactly the player we needed.

In a word, no.

[JohnM1875]

Seen Snodgrass signs for hearts, exactly the player we needed.

Wouldn't have minded us signing him,but not sure he's exactly what we need.

[Davy Mac]

Seen Snodgrass signs for hearts, exactly the player we needed.

Mmm, as usual Hertz throwing wages about like confetti but in truth they know how to get their fans on their side.

Don't know if this was a realistic Hibs target but clearly if it was, we clearly coudn't match the wages the chumps across the road are offering.

He is the type of player that we need, last seasons poor season has allowed them to steal a march on us but hopefully they get burnt in due course.

[Since452]

Seen Snodgrass signs for hearts, exactly the player we needed.

We already have one 30 odd year old winger

[Zambernardi1875]

We already have one 30 odd year old winger

I would’ve played him like Scott Allan and free to roam about behind the forwards. Takes good corners and free kicks, composed around the box.