Is it too early to mention the R word?

[He's here!]

Stunningly awful performance today. I would say unbelievably bad but it was sadly all too believable. Another big support in the wake of a feelgood result, another kick in the teeth. Inexcusable, thoroughly depressing and deeply alarming.

The sense that we have progressed not one iota from the dog days of last season was all too prevalent and, if anything, it felt as though we're going backwards.

I tipped us for an 8th or 9th place finish before the league campaign kicked off but now I'm not so sure I wasn't over optimistic.

[Northernhibee]

Yes. Too early.

[MWHIBBIES]

We're certainly a better side than Maloney. It's not that bad. We won't go down I don't think. Boyle and Marshall alone is enough quality for this **** league. Next week a big game though

[Hibernia&Alba]

We are five games in! Like shops decorated for Christmas, the relegation threads seem to arrive earlier every year.

[He's here!]

We are five games in! Like shops decorated for Christmas, the relegation threads seem to arrive earlier every year.

Did you think we looked like a team likely to do anything but struggle today? We were atrocious.

Aberdeen, billed as our rivals for a top 4 spot, have put 9 goals past Livi and St Mirren this season.

The League Cup 'campaign' set alarm bells ringing for me and is being airbrushed over IMHO.

[Pretty Boy]

Yes.

But then we look every inch a bottom 6 side with a couple of quality players in Boyle and Marshall who should be worth a few points. The issue is if you are a bottom 6 side then a couple of injuries, suspensions or just bad luck can see you in trouble.

Call it misplaced but I still have faith we will bring in a couple this week that will drag us up to 6th, 7th or 8th.

[IberianHibernian]

We're certainly a better side than Maloney. It's not that bad. We won't go down I don't think. Boyle and Marshall alone is enough quality for this **** league. Next week a big game thoughDon`t see anything to suggest we`re as good let alone better than under Maloney . Dreadful cup results against lower league opposition compared with wins v Arbroath and Motherwell for example . Defence was solid last season , this season all over the place . Motivation ? Could any Hibs team be any more motivated than we were in Maloney`s games?. LJ had pre season camp with players , new signings , 4 LC ties before league while Maloney took over a struggling team mid season with a horrendous injury list and lost Boyle soon after .

[Carheenlea]

Definitely not too early.

Right now we look like one of the poorer sides in the league, 5 games in with just one win against St Johnstone and even that was a struggle, and a team that looks rudderless and disjointed with little by way of signs that this will change any time soon.

There is already a gap appearing between top and bottom half of league, and we don't want to be scrambling about on the wrong side of that even at this stage of the season.

[WeeRussell]

Yes. For hibs fans.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Did you think we looked like a team likely to do anything but struggle today? We were atrocious.

Aberdeen, billed as our rivals for a top 4 spot, have put 9 goals past Livi and St Mirren this season.

The League Cup 'campaign' set alarm bells ringing for me and is being airbrushed over IMHO.

We are very poor, agreed, but we are still in August. We need more evidence before we can form an idea about the season. The early are signs are bad, true.

[MWHIBBIES]

Don`t see anything to suggest we`re as good let alone better than under Maloney . Dreadful cup results against lower league opposition compared with wins v Arbroath and Motherwell for example . Defence was solid last season , this season all over the place . Motivation ? Could any Hibs team be any more motivated than we were in Maloney`s games?. LJ had pre season camp with players , new signings , 4 LC ties before league while Maloney took over a struggling team mid season with a horrendous injury list and lost Boyle soon after .

Trust me. Maloney was worse. This side occasionally crosses the half way line.

[He's here!]

We are very poor, agreed, but we are still in August. We need more evidence before we can form an idea about the season. The early are signs are bad, true.

Especially alarming are Johnson's post-match comments, which I've just read. More or less admits we're little more than huff and puff p*sh.

[Smartie]

Yes.

But then we look every inch a bottom 6 side with a couple of quality players in Boyle and Marshall who should be worth a few points. The issue is if you are a bottom 6 side then a couple of injuries, suspensions or just bad luck can see you in trouble.

Call it misplaced but I still have faith we will bring in a couple this week that will drag us up to 6th, 7th or 8th.

It’s all about who we bring in.

I’m convinced we’re a couple of key players away from being a decent side, the types who make teams greater than the sum of their parts. A striker who can play in the middle of a front 3, and a central midfielder who contributes themselves but also brings more out of any of the 3 who started today make that team a totally different prospect.

That back 4 were stinking today but should normally be good enough with better in front of them. We need cover though, and for the 4 who played today to perform much better than they did today, which they’ve always done before.

As things stand though, imo that is a team that is in serious danger of being relegated, which is unthinkable given how good the likes of Marshall and Boyle are.

[lyonhibs]

Certainly not too early to be aware that it's not out of the question with performances like that

[Largshibby]

Stunningly awful performance today. I would say unbelievably bad but it was sadly all too believable. Another big support in the wake of a feelgood result, another kick in the teeth. Inexcusable, thoroughly depressing and deeply alarming.

The sense that we have progressed not one iota from the dog days of last season was all too prevalent and, if anything, it felt as though we're going backwards.

I tipped us for an 8th or 9th place finish before the league campaign kicked off but now I'm not so sure I wasn't over optimistic.

Far too soon but the early signs are bad. Failure to beat St Mirren and Livingston when our main rivals (Aberdeen) are taking nine off them does not bode well. What gets me is that if we accept that our results v Celtic/Rangers reflect that they are 5 or 6 times the size of Hibs then why do we not get correspondingly good results against teams that we are 5/6 times bigger than. I see no progress whatsoever at this stage compared to last season. I very rarely miss a game at Paisley (only 25 mins from where I live) but I had no inclination whatsoever to go today as it all felt very predictable. Its not depressing as there are far more important things going on just now but it is very disappointing.

[He's here!]

It’s all about who we bring in.

I’m convinced we’re a couple of key players away from being a decent side, the types who make teams greater than the sum of their parts. A striker who can play in the middle of a front 3, and a central midfielder who contributes themselves but also brings more out of any of the 3 who started today make that team a totally different prospect.

That back 4 were stinking today but should normally be good enough with better in front of them. We need cover though, and for the 4 who played today to perform much better than they did today, which they’ve always done before.

As things stand though, imo that is a team that is in serious danger of being relegated, which is unthinkable given how good the likes of Marshall and Boyle are.

I keep reading about us being 'just a couple of key players short' but we're all but at the end of the transfer window so it seems a tad late to be scrabbling around for them now. Why weren't 'key' players brought in before the season started?

We looked 11 players short today.

[LunasBoots]

It’s all about who we bring in.

I’m convinced we’re a couple of key players away from being a decent side, the types who make teams greater than the sum of their parts. A striker who can play in the middle of a front 3, and a central midfielder who contributes themselves but also brings more out of any of the 3 who started today make that team a totally different prospect.

That back 4 were stinking today but should normally be good enough with better in front of them. We need cover though, and for the 4 who played today to perform much better than they did today, which they’ve always done before.

As things stand though, imo that is a team that is in serious danger of being relegated, which is unthinkable given how good the likes of Marshall and Boyle are.

Which if what LJ was saying appears to be we are bringing in no one.

[jeffers]

I made this comment on a similar thread, but it depends on who we replace Johnson with that will determine if we are in danger of relegation or not. I wasn’t joking then and I’m not joking now. Fans have already started to turn on him.

[Zambernardi1875]

Trust me. Maloney was worse. This side occasionally crosses the half way line.

That’s you’re opinion and didn’t answer any of his questions

[PaulSmith]

Depends. The team that played a large part of today has won 5 games out of about 40 in the last 12 months.

As a club we seem intent on giving relegation a run for it’s money.

[Stokesy's on fire]

We are five games in! Like shops decorated for Christmas, the relegation threads seem to arrive earlier every year.

Normally Hibs deliver good reason to bring the topic up though...

[marinello59]

Stunningly awful performance today. I would say unbelievably bad but it was sadly all too believable. Another big support in the wake of a feelgood result, another kick in the teeth. Inexcusable, thoroughly depressing and deeply alarming.

The sense that we have progressed not one iota from the dog days of last season was all too prevalent and, if anything, it felt as though we're going backwards.

I tipped us for an 8th or 9th place finish before the league campaign kicked off but now I'm not so sure I wasn't over optimistic.

We are several quality players away from the relegation battle this season. All the words from our owner after the departure of Maloney have been shown up as the bull**** spin they were. Clueless.

[He's here!]

We are several quality players away from avoiding the relegation battle this season. All the words from our owner after the departure of Maloney have been shown up as the bull**** spin they were. Clueless.

You mean several quality players away from avoiding a relegation battle?

[marinello59]

You mean several quality players away from avoiding a relegation battle?

Aye. Edit time .

[AL-Qaholik]

Bottom 4 with the current squad.
Boyle & Marshall enough to keep us up, though, imo.

[Sir David Gray]

I still don't think we'll get relegated but we've picked up just 35 points from our last 36 league games so we can't say that the warning signs aren't there.

I picked between 7th-9th when the question got asked a month or so ago as to where we would finish this season and absolutely nothing has happened since to change my mind. The League Cup campaign was a farce and barring two last minute equalisers v Hearts and Rangers the league campaign hasn't started much better.

We must win next week or I'll start to become really worried.

[NC1875]

Persist with the same crap players and you get the same crap results.

Hanlon not good enough
Porteous has been terrible all season
Non existent midfield
And a donkey in Doidge up front.

I’m surprised so many people are shocked at our lack of results.

Spine of the team is horrendous.

[HoboHarry]

Hahahahahahaha........this place is a madhouse. Jeezo, is this all some of you guys have to do on a Saturday night? Covid is over, get outside and smell the fresh air.

[LeithMike]

The thing is if we are languishing in about 8th or 9th Easter Road becomes poisonous and the fans turn against the team. That can soon spiral you down even lower. Fans at St Johnstone and the like are more content with that position.

You'd hope though with Boyle that he will get us enough points but if we go on a poor run of results then things are likely to get pretty nasty.

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[MWHIBBIES]

The thing is if we are languishing in about 8th or 9th Easter Road becomes poisonous and the fans turn against the team. That can soon spiral you down even lower. Fans at St Johnstone and the like are more content with that position.

You'd hope though with Boyle that he will get us enough points but if we go on a poor run of results then things are likely to get pretty nasty.

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Yep. It has already started. Abuse LJ got today at full time was rough. Got to win next week

[truehibernian]

We are several quality players away from the relegation battle this season. All the words from our owner after the departure of Maloney have been shown up as the bull**** spin they were. Clueless.

2014 - Liam Craig, Scott Robertson, Tudor Jones

2022 - Joe Newell, Josh Campbell, Doyle-Hayes

Add in strikers that don't score......Vine and Collins could equally be Youan and Doidge.
Groundhog Day.....just saying :cb:rolleyes:

Squad is lousy, too many been there way too long, and too many have been allowed to get nice and comfy. Zero quality, just a batch of 'hopefuls' with no players added who have positive leadership and winning mentality and proper experience. God help us if Boyle gets an injury.

We're a horrible team to watch, money has been utterly wasted on 'projects'. The sad thing is, the best we have played in midfield was v Norwich when we had two of the most composed players on the pitch, neither of whom has played and one been loaned out already :rolleyes: makes me angry and depressed in equal measure seeing the likes of Tait and Delfierre miss out due to the continual presence of Doyle Hayes and Newell - both the latter are woeful and need moved on as soon as we possibly can. They offer nothing meaningful in midfield whatsoever. Huge wages who both offer nothing, absolutely nothing. Anyone who continues to defend them, sorry, they really need to wake up and smell the coffee.

As for central defence, no one can possibly defend Paul Hanlon now. Legend, yes, but we cannot go another season with him in the middle, especially when he is next to a player who thinks he's Pique but is actually playing like Michael Nelson (Porto). Both are liabilities at present, Paul has a good excuse, due to age and wear and tear, good player that he was - he's spent. But what a servant and what a career. No excuse for Porto though - his attitude and body language in games is awful and he needs moved on.

If we don't get a pair of defenders in, are we really going to rely on Paul, Ryan, Darren and young Kyle and expect top 6? Dreaming if there are fans that think so. It's 2014 all over again for me. Can't score, concede all too readily, no drive or hunger.

And where is this attacking football the new manager promised? He's as culpable as the rest of them. All talk and spin.

[Carheenlea]

Hahahahahahaha........this place is a madhouse. Jeezo, is this all some of you guys have to do on a Saturday night? Covid is over, get outside and smell the fresh air.

Did you post this from outside in the fresh air?

[Nakedmanoncrack]

Would be amazed if current side get into top 6 for the split, any team you can say that about from start of season is a 1 in 3 chance of being in bottom 2.

[HoboHarry]

Did you post this from outside in the fresh air?
No but it's still afternoon here - by 6pm I'll be sitting outside eating and partaking of a couple of glasses of wine with some work colleagues at this place......

https://www.therepublicgrille.com/

[GreenGray]

At least if we got relegated Gordon might realise that things aren’t all rosy and might make a change.


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[stuart-farquhar]

No but it's still afternoon here - by 6pm I'll be sitting outside eating and partaking of a couple of glasses of wine with some work colleagues at this place......

https://www.therepublicgrille.com/

How exciting. Not.

[truehibernian]

At least if we got relegated Gordon might realise that things aren’t all rosy and might make a change.


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I’d much rather he get his cheque book out now rather than wait and have to visit Firhill, Somerset Park, and Starks Park twice a season again !!

[Since90+2]

Hahahahahahaha........this place is a madhouse. Jeezo, is this all some of you guys have to do on a Saturday night? Covid is over, get outside and smell the fresh air.

I'm guessing you're still to learn the meaning of the word irony?

[Since90+2]

No but it's still afternoon here - by 6pm I'll be sitting outside eating and partaking of a couple of glasses of wine with some work colleagues at this place......

https://www.therepublicgrille.com/

Nobody cares where you are going for dinner tonight or what you're drinking 🤣. The fact you've had a dig at folk and then went to the lengths of telling us that, well it tells it's own story....

[HoboHarry]

How exciting. Not.
Lol.

[HoboHarry]

Nobody cares where you are going for dinner tonight or what you're drinking ��. The fact you've had a dig at folk and then went to the lengths of telling us that, well it tells it's own story....
:aok: Come on now, surely you can post about this for a third time?

[Since90+2]

:aok: Come on now, surely you can post about this for a third time?

Perhaps, but then again I'm not sitting in another continent, in another timezone, telling folk I've never, or ever will meet, where I'm going for my tea or what I'm going to be drinking.

You need to get some fresh air.

[Is It On....]

Depends. The team that played a large part of today has won 5 games out of about 40 in the last 12 months.

As a club we seem intent on giving relegation a run for it’s money.

When you see those stats its truly frightening

[Is It On....]

I’d much rather he get his cheque book out now rather than wait and have to visit Firhill, Somerset Park, and Starks Park twice a season again !!

The cheque book has been out..but, as Everton have proved, having money and spending it wisely are not the same thing.

[Percy Vere]

We continue to have a lengthy injury list, unbelievable really.
I think Johnson’s the right manager, I just think certain players are not delivering and they need to take ownership.
Dont think we are relegation fodder at all.
We will turn this around, but I can understand folk are hacked off.

[GreenGray]

I’d much rather he get his cheque book out now rather than wait and have to visit Firhill, Somerset Park, and Starks Park twice a season again !!

At least we’d have a chance of winning![emoji23]


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[HoboHarry]

Perhaps, but then again I'm not sitting in another continent, in another timezone, telling folk I've never, or ever will meet, where I'm going for my tea or what I'm going to be drinking.

You need to get some fresh air.
You seem to be finding this difficult. I was asked if I had posted from the fresh air and I said I'd be going out soon since it is Saturday night. Anyway, bravo.

[JJP]

1 win in 5 so far this season. A very late goal against St Johnstone. What an important goal that was! Defeats to Livi and St Mirren. Alarm bells are ringing for me. Just have to hope our injured players come back and can make a big difference.

[Wheat Hound]

In this calender year we have won 4 league games out of 23. 2 of those were in meaningless bottom 6 games with nothing at stake.

[Alfred E Newman]

Even the manager says we are brutal. That doesn’t fill me with much confidence.

[Leith Green]

Without ****ting the bed , my worry is that I wouldn’t fancy this lot to dig us out of a hole. Seriously lacking quality , leadership, strength, and good football players in the middle of our team. Worryingly, our owners/recruitment team
have failed to address the issue in so many windows

[stuart-farquhar]

Lol.

Lol?! Nobody cares where you are. Seriously you think we do. And I'm sure you'll pack your pistol. Just in case. Ya'll take care now. Lol.

[Chorley Hibee]

8 wins in our last 36 league games would suggest we should have been talking about it long before now.

[Paulie Walnuts]

We're certainly a better side than Maloney. It's not that bad. We won't go down I don't think. Boyle and Marshall alone is enough quality for this **** league. Next week a big game though

Are we though?

Maloney had a better record over his tenure in league games than Johnson has over his league games (I’m only using league games as Maloney didn’t get the luxury of having near half his games against lower league teams). Johnson has of course had the League Cup disaster as well.

Maloney also had poorer players to choose from. I honestly think we’re worse now than we were 6 months ago and relegation is a real possibility with this manager and players. We are abysmal.

[blackpoolhibs]

This squad as it stands in my opinion will be in a relegation battle.

[green day]

I just posted this stat on the PM board, apologies if its already been mentioned on here.

It is now 28th August, and this calendar year, we have won 4 league games.

Ross County, St Mirren, and St Johnstone (x2).

We started the match yesterday with largely the same team that has played (poorly) in the league since the beginning of the year.

If thats not relegation form, I dont know what is.

[WhileTheChief..]

Trust me. Maloney was worse. This side occasionally crosses the half way line.

It’s a horrible competition to be in, but yeah, Maloney just shadess being worse!

There’s not much in it though. LJ has better chat than Maloney and as you say, we do go forwards now and again.

Other than that, LJ, Maloney, Heckingbottom…… they’re all the same.

[WhileTheChief..]

Lol?! Nobody cares where you are. Seriously you think we do. And I'm sure you'll pack your pistol. Just in case. Ya'll take care now. Lol.

Seems to be a bit of a thing on here from Hibs fans that live in different countries. There’s a couple that can’t wait to come on here after every crap result and have a real go at folk that actually gave up their time and money and made the effort to go support the team.

[TheHarpy76]

Well, now that I know where HoboHarry had dinner yesterday, I’m no longer concerned about where our season is heading now.

[Jamesie]

We are five games in! Like shops decorated for Christmas, the relegation threads seem to arrive earlier every year.

Costco had the Christmas gear in when I visited on 19 August!

[lucky]

I just posted this stat on the PM board, apologies if its already been mentioned on here.

It is now 28th August, and this calendar year, we have won 4 league games.

Ross County, St Mirren, and St Johnstone (x2).

We started the match yesterday with largely the same team that has played (poorly) in the league since the beginning of the year.

If thats not relegation form, I dont know what is.

The worst part of this is the new signings can’t get a game so bad must they be? Hibs are in a right mess.

[ehf]

We currently have a regime where there are no consequences for serial under-performance; that can only end one way.

[Jones28]

We currently have a regime where there are no consequences for serial under-performance; that can only end one way.

Well two managers have, so did Mathie last year after dismal recruitment.

[Sir David Gray]

Well two managers have, so did Mathie last year after dismal recruitment.

None of them are the owner's son though.

[Gorgiehibee]

I was accused of being a Jambo because I said that we aren't that great a few weeks ago. I still stand by that. Boyle has saved us twice now but the rest don't look upto it. Most of our squad are pretty poor quality and I don't buy this pish about building a team for the future, We should be able to do that and still beat the likes of livi and St mirren. I think we need a overhaul top to bottom, get dempster back and a manager that can find his own players. My fear is that Gordon is milking us for ll the money he can get. Bringing in 5-10 young guys and selling at least 1 or 2 a season for a few million brings in more money than finishing 3rd or winning a cup and it's easier to do.

[Jones28]

None of them are the owner's son though.

He’s not the one that puts the team on the park.

[He's here!]

We currently have a regime where there are no consequences for serial under-performance; that can only end one way.

The consequences for under-performance last season were pretty decisive. Two managers were sacked.

Lose to Killie at home next weekend and I imagine Johnson's future will be under strong scrutiny.

[Sir David Gray]

He’s not the one that puts the team on the park.

Yeah I know but you had included Graeme Mathie in your list of people who have lost their job in the last year and he wasn't the one who put the team on the park either, he was in charge of recruitment which is the same job Ian Gordon does now.

I'm not saying Lee Johnson is the answer as manager but the recruitment strategy is hugely concerning and holding us back from succeeding on the park.

If Ian Gordon wasn't Ron Gordon's son I firmly believe he would have lost his job by now.

[Jones28]

Yeah I know but you had included Graeme Mathie in your list of people who have lost their job in the last year and he wasn't the one who put the team on the park either, he was in charge of recruitment which is the same job Ian Gordon does now.

I'm not saying Lee Johnson is the answer as manager but the recruitment strategy is hugely concerning and holding us back from succeeding on the park.

If Ian Gordon wasn't Ron Gordon's son I firmly believe he would have lost his job by now.

I don’t think Mathies role will have been the same as Gordon’s, Mathie imo will have a much more intrinsic role in who we actually signed, as opposed to Ian Gordons role which, as has been reported, is using scouting tools on a computer to identify players from a database, I can’t remember what it’s actually called, maybe My Scout or something.

They are the same roles but I think Mathies scope will have been a lot wider.

I’ve said it before but if the role occupied by Gordon was called “Transfer Target Data Collator” or something with less weight to it he’d be under much less scrutiny than he is now as head of recruitment.

[NC1875]

After watching this Dundee Utd game I think we’ll be alright for straight relegation. Just the playoffs to worry about 😂

[Scorrie]

But they’ll get a new manager who will give them a bounce knowing our luck!

[WhileTheChief..]

He’s not the one that puts the team on the park.

Only a matter of time if LJ gets binned though.......:wink:

[He's here!]

But they’ll get a new manager who will give them a bounce knowing our luck!

That would be the concern. On paper they don't look bad and a new boss may get more out of them. He certainly couldn't get less than Ross is getting. I actually think he'll be gone tomorrow.

St Johnshone look better than last season so we're maybe looking at County to give us a buffer.

[jacomo]

Seems to be a bit of a thing on here from Hibs fans that live in different countries. There’s a couple that can’t wait to come on here after every crap result and have a real go at folk that actually gave up their time and money and made the effort to go support the team.


Yeah that infuriates me. You can see and get so much more from a match as a spectator, compared to tv. Folk watching on tv are of course entitled to their opinion, but a little more humility at times would be welcome.

JB’s excellent match reports will often fill in details missed by the cameras, as will many posts from fans who showed up.

[JimBHibees]

That would be the concern. On paper they don't look bad and a new boss may get more out of them. He certainly couldn't get less than Ross is getting. I actually think he'll be gone tomorrow.

St Johnshone look better than last season so we're maybe looking at County to give us a buffer.

:greengrin

[McGruber]

In answer to the OP - yes, it is far too early for that talk though that hardly needs pointed out. We are 5 games in to the season, 5 games (FIVE)!

[Steve20]

We won't be relegated. But if we don't bring in at least 1 midfielder that can create, we are definitely a bottom 6 team. No doubt about it.

St Johnstone and Dundee Utd will be worse. And I suspect St Mirren will fall away eventually too and finish below us.

[patlowe]

Beyond the top two the season never pans out how folk assume based on kneejerk reactions in the early fixtures. So many examples every year, like the annual "can X challenge the old firm" before the inevitable fall from grace. Even just last season, Ross County's 10 game winless start and eventual top six finish; the dons fans and media creaming themselves over the Stephen Glass revolution; us being favourites for 3rd after a great start :greengrin

That's not to say we are going to turn things around - I'm as bemused by our squad and recruitment strategy as the next fan - but you just can't make assumptions about how all the clubs are going to do relative to each other based on the first few games. It happens every year in the media and among fan bases, and invariably this strange and beautiful little league upends expectations.

[McGruber]

Beyond the top two the season never pans out how folk assume based on kneejerk reactions in the early fixtures. So many examples every year, like the annual "can X challenge the old firm" before the inevitable fall from grace. Even just last season, Ross County's 10 game winless start and eventual top six finish; the dons fans and media creaming themselves over the Stephen Glass revolution; us being favourites for 3rd after a great start :greengrin

That's not to say we are going to turn things around - I'm as bemused by our squad and recruitment strategy as the next fan - but you just can't make assumptions about how all the clubs are going to do relative to each other based on the first few games. It happens every year in the media and among fan bases, and invariably this strange and beautiful little league upends expectations.

Well said

[hibbyfraelibby]

What R word are we talking about?

Resurgent?
Rejuvenated?
Revelation?

I still think we have a realistic shot at 3rd this season.

Hearts, like us have just lost two to long term injury, added to a killer schedule.
Aberdeen struggled to beat Annan last night.
Dundee United have imploded
Kilmarnock and Motherwell are hardly setting the league on fire.
St Johnstone are dire
Livvy have to play half their games on a decent pitch.

Over the season we have more in the locker than most so more reason for optimism than gloom.

[Chorley Hibee]

I still think we have a realistic shot at 3rd this season.

I'll have a lot of whatever it is you're smoking.

We're nowhere near capable of finishing 3rd.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I'll have a lot of whatever it is you're smoking.

We're nowhere near capable of finishing 3rd.

I don’t even think we’ll be capable of top 6 with this squad.

The next 36 hours or so will tell us more about where we are but without at least 2 signings of genuine quality, this is a bottom 6 squad imo.

With regards to relegation, it’s too early to say anything with a degree of certainty, but what we’ve seen so far does more to suggest we could be down the bottom end than not.

[McGruber]

What R word are we talking about?

Resurgent?
Rejuvenated?
Revelation?

I still think we have a realistic shot at 3rd this season.

Hearts, like us have just lost two to long term injury, added to a killer schedule.
Aberdeen struggled to beat Annan last night.
Dundee United have imploded
Kilmarnock and Motherwell are hardly setting the league on fire.
St Johnstone are dire
Livvy have to play half their games on a decent pitch.

Over the season we have more in the locker than most so more reason for optimism than gloom.

Agree with you. Not that we definitely will finish 3rd, 4th in Europe but there is as much chance at this stage of having a good season as a poor one. I think we will get stronger as we go and we'll be challenging in the top six - 3rd or 4th possible

[Chorley Hibee]

I don’t even think we’ll be capable of top 6 with this squad.

The next 36 hours or so will tell us more about where we are but without at least 2 signings of genuine quality, this is a bottom 6 squad imo.

With regards to relegation, it’s too early to say anything with a degree of certainty, but what we’ve seen so far does more to suggest we could be down the bottom end than not.

Agreed, but what do you expect when we're basically fielding the same team as last season, and the majority of our new scattergun signings don't look anywhere near good enough.

I've no faith that Gordon and the board will deliver exactly what we need in the coming hours either.

Where we disagree is relegation. I feel this squad is more than capable of a disastrous run of form that will leave us in deep trouble.

8 wins in 36 is all the evidence I need.

[Basildon Hibs]

2014 - Liam Craig, Scott Robertson, Tudor Jones

2022 - Joe Newell, Josh Campbell, Doyle-Hayes

Add in strikers that don't score......Vine and Collins could equally be Youan and Doidge.
Groundhog Day.....just saying :cb:rolleyes:

Squad is lousy, too many been there way too long, and too many have been allowed to get nice and comfy. Zero quality, just a batch of 'hopefuls' with no players added who have positive leadership and winning mentality and proper experience. God help us if Boyle gets an injury.

We're a horrible team to watch, money has been utterly wasted on 'projects'. The sad thing is, the best we have played in midfield was v Norwich when we had two of the most composed players on the pitch, neither of whom has played and one been loaned out already :rolleyes: makes me angry and depressed in equal measure seeing the likes of Tait and Delfierre miss out due to the continual presence of Doyle Hayes and Newell - both the latter are woeful and need moved on as soon as we possibly can. They offer nothing meaningful in midfield whatsoever. Huge wages who both offer nothing, absolutely nothing. Anyone who continues to defend them, sorry, they really need to wake up and smell the coffee.

As for central defence, no one can possibly defend Paul Hanlon now. Legend, yes, but we cannot go another season with him in the middle, especially when he is next to a player who thinks he's Pique but is actually playing like Michael Nelson (Porto). Both are liabilities at present, Paul has a good excuse, due to age and wear and tear, good player that he was - he's spent. But what a servant and what a career. No excuse for Porto though - his attitude and body language in games is awful and he needs moved on.

If we don't get a pair of defenders in, are we really going to rely on Paul, Ryan, Darren and young Kyle and expect top 6? Dreaming if there are fans that think so. It's 2014 all over again for me. Can't score, concede all too readily, no drive or hunger.

And where is this attacking football the new manager promised? He's as culpable as the rest of them. All talk and spin.

Absolutely spot on. 👍

[McGruber]

I don’t even think we’ll be capable of top 6 with this squad.

The next 36 hours or so will tell us more about where we are but without at least 2 signings of genuine quality, this is a bottom 6 squad imo.

With regards to relegation, it’s too early to say anything with a degree of certainty, but what we’ve seen so far does more to suggest we could be down the bottom end than not.

If you see us as bottom six what 3 teams have a better squad than us other than Old firm, Hearts and Aberdeen? It would take 3 other teams to keep us out so do you see another 3 teams with a better squad - and from those teams who would you take?

Not saying our squad is complete because it has glaring deficiencies and we absolutely need 2 or 3 of the right type in the right positions to push on. Transfer window isn't shut yet either

[Paulie Walnuts]

If you see us as bottom six what 3 teams have a better squad than us other than Old firm, Hearts and Aberdeen? It would take 3 other teams to keep us out so do you see another 3 teams with a better squad - and from those teams who would you take?

Not saying our squad is complete because it has glaring deficiencies and we absolutely need 2 or 3 of the right type in the right positions to push on. Transfer window isn't shut yet either

I think Livi are absolutely streets ahead of us as a team and will comfortably finish above us as we are.

I think Motherwell will be comfortably above us and I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see Ross County and/or St Mirren finish above us as well.

I wouldn’t take a lot of their players because I don’t think they’re necessarily individually great, but the majority of the teams in this league, if not all of them are currently doing a much better job of making the players they’ve got greater or closer to the sum of their parts than we are, much like last season. I wouldn’t have taken a lot of any players from most of the teams from 4th-7th. We still finished behind them though.

That’s down to a mixture of a handful of poor players that start every week absolutely dragging us down (that comes from a combination of Newell, Doidge, JDH, Hanlon, Campbell, Henderson and even Porteous on current form) and also through glaring holes right through the spine of our team.

I reckon the Old Firm, Hearts and Aberdeen are stick ons for top 6. That only leaves two places. I don’t think we’ll be in one of those 2.

[Chorley Hibee]

If you see us as bottom six what 3 teams have a better squad than us other than Old firm, Hearts and Aberdeen? It would take 3 other teams to keep us out so do you see another 3 teams with a better squad - and from those teams who would you take?

Not saying our squad is complete because it has glaring deficiencies and we absolutely need 2 or 3 of the right type in the right positions to push on. Transfer window isn't shut yet either

If our squad is better than all these sides then why have we only won 8 of our last 36 games?

How much longer do these ever present failures need before the penny finally drops?

It's obvious that most of the new signings aren't up to much either when you see the side that played at St Mirren.

Doidge, Newell, JDH, Campbell, Hanlon, Stevenson and a semi-retired McGregor all still on the teamsheet. Throw in Henderson, Melkersen (both anonymous as usual) and a frankly pathetic Porteous, then we're miles off third and considerably worse than you think we are.

The last 36 games (with the majority of our current squad) show that we are in relegation form.

[Allant1981]

I think Livi are absolutely streets ahead of us as a team and will comfortably finish above us as we are.

I think Motherwell will be comfortably above us and I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see Ross County and/or St Mirren finish above us as well.

I wouldn’t take a lot of their players because I don’t think they’re necessarily individually great, but the majority of the teams in this league, if not all of them are currently doing a much better job of making the players they’ve got greater or closer to the sum of their parts than we are.

That’s down to a mixture of a couple of poor players that start every week absolutely dragging us down and also through glaring holes right through the spine of our team.

Mental to think we arent bottom of the league going by this post

[Paulie Walnuts]

Mental to think we arent bottom of the league going by this post

What part of it do you disagree with?

Also, you do realise that’s 8 teams I’ve listed with two of them only being in the ‘I wouldn’t be surprised to see them finish above us category’. There’s 12 in the league. If you find it mental that we’re not bottom of the league with 6-8 teams that would likely finish above us in a 12 team league then there’s not a lot I can do to help you on that front.

[JimBHibees]

I think Livi are absolutely streets ahead of us as a team and will comfortably finish above us as we are.

I think Motherwell will be comfortably above us and I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see Ross County and/or St Mirren finish above us as well.

I wouldn’t take a lot of their players because I don’t think they’re necessarily individually great, but the majority of the teams in this league, if not all of them are currently doing a much better job of making the players they’ve got greater or closer to the sum of their parts than we are, much like last season. I wouldn’t have taken a lot of any players from most of the teams from 4th-7th. We still finished behind them though.

That’s down to a mixture of a handful of poor players that start every week absolutely dragging us down (that comes from a combination of Newell, Doidge, JDH, Hanlon, Campbell, Henderson and even Porteous on current form) and also through glaring holes right through the spine of our team.

I reckon the Old Firm, Hearts and Aberdeen are stick ons for top 6. That only leaves two places. I don’t think we’ll be in one of those 2.

Livi miles ahead a team we battered for most of the second half the last time we played against. You seem to be trying a bit too hard in telling everyone how absolutely crap we are. We have played 5 league games.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Livi miles ahead a team we battered for most of the second half the last time we played against. You seem to be trying a bit too hard in telling everyone how absolutely crap we are. We have played 5 league games.

You do realise they absolutely battered us first half and also beat us, don’t you?

We’ve played 5 league games, 9 competitive games. We got knocked out the League Cup by a bunch of lower league teams and I watched a load of these players who are still playing each week perform absolutely terribly for long enough to know what we’re going to get from them.

[JimBHibees]

You do realise they absolutely battered us first half and also beat us, don’t you?

We’ve played 5 league games, 9 competitive games and I watched a load of these players perform absolutely terribly for long enough to know what we’re going to get from them.

They didn't batter us first half we gifted them a goal and they sat in.

[Chorley Hibee]

Livi miles ahead a team we battered for most of the second half the last time we played against. You seem to be trying a bit too hard in telling everyone how absolutely crap we are. We have played 5 league games.

Is that the Livingston who have beat us in the last 4 competitive games, or perhaps the Livingston who we've only managed to beat 4 times in 15 attempts since our return to the Premiership?

Some people just won't see what is staring them in the face.

[Paulie Walnuts]

They didn't batter us first half we gifted them a goal and they sat in.

:faf:

Aye, ok, that’s all it was. A Paul Hanlon mistake lead to a goal but other than that they offered nothing and we battered them. And still lost.

It really is a terrible argument you’re putting forward to try and convince anyone we’re not crap, especially when your argument consists of rewriting how bad we were that day.

[McGruber]

If our squad is better than all these sides then why have we only won 8 of our last 36 games?

How much longer do these ever present failures need before the penny finally drops?

It's obvious that most of the new signings aren't up to much either when you see the side that played at St Mirren.

Doidge, Newell, JDH, Campbell, Hanlon, Stevenson and a semi-retired McGregor all still on the teamsheet. Throw in Henderson, Melkersen (both anonymous as usual) and a frankly pathetic Porteous, then we're miles off third and considerably worse than you think we are.

The last 36 games (with the majority of our current squad) show that we are in relegation form.

I wish Johnson wasn't playing the same midfield as last year. Also wish we signed the types we needed in CB, CM and spine of the team. We have our big problems no doubt.

I will reiterate this though. I have no interest in the 36 game stat. Johnson has had 9 games, everything before was under a different watch. Some same players sure but Maloney and Ross were sacked for results. Johnson's reign starts from this season. The win ratio will improve or he will be emptied - no interest in stats from last season.

[McGruber]

I think Livi are absolutely streets ahead of us as a team and will comfortably finish above us as we are.

I think Motherwell will be comfortably above us and I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see Ross County and/or St Mirren finish above us as well.

I wouldn’t take a lot of their players because I don’t think they’re necessarily individually great, but the majority of the teams in this league, if not all of them are currently doing a much better job of making the players they’ve got greater or closer to the sum of their parts than we are, much like last season. I wouldn’t have taken a lot of any players from most of the teams from 4th-7th. We still finished behind them though.

That’s down to a mixture of a handful of poor players that start every week absolutely dragging us down (that comes from a combination of Newell, Doidge, JDH, Hanlon, Campbell, Henderson and even Porteous on current form) and also through glaring holes right through the spine of our team.

I reckon the Old Firm, Hearts and Aberdeen are stick ons for top 6. That only leaves two places. I don’t think we’ll be in one of those 2.

Question asked and you have gave your answer, fair play mate.

I agree some are more than the sum of their parts - that is more a management/coaching problem than squad though.

I think we will come good, you have serious reservations and I get it. We can all see where our problems lie and no disputing we have gaps to fill and need to improve.
I know you can't see it and don't think so on current evidence. Maybe you will be proven right, hope not.

What we can agree on is a few more good signings might make a big difference.

[darwenhibby]

We’ve got the 7 year itch
Having won trophies in 1972 1991 2007 around 7 years later we were relegated
We on the cup in 2016 and this is the 7 th year
As someone said I wouldn’t back this team in a relegation fight

[Ronniekirk]

L J keeps using the word Resilience He will probably be using the word persevere next ,as that’s what he is going to have to do till we get to next window ,when hopefully injured players back match fit ,and it might be easier.to move some players on then
And he should clearly know by then what he needs in the midfield
If he doesn’t change it then there must be an issue with the Recruitment Committee
If we don’t sign a goal scoring playmaker I would like L J to be clear why he doesn’t think that was needed this window

[Since452]

Not if we just call it demotion instead like our pink chums did.

[Hibernia&Alba]

If I was a betting man (which I am) I would say we'll finish between sixth and eighth.

That doesn't necessarily mean seventh, smart erses. :devil:

[hibbyfraelibby]

Not if we just call it demotion instead like our pink chums did.

They were de-premierised.

[flash]

:faf:

Aye, ok, that’s all it was. A Paul Hanlon mistake lead to a goal but other than that they offered nothing and we battered them. And still lost.

It really is a terrible argument you’re putting forward to try and convince anyone we’re not crap, especially when your argument consists of rewriting how bad we were that day.

Don't worry. Am sure another 40 or 50 posts today will let us all know how bad the team we support are.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Don't worry. Am sure another 40 or 50 posts today will let us all know how bad the team we support are.

Fingers crossed.

[NAE NOOKIE]

When you finish 8th the season before, start the following season with 5 points out of a possible 15 and circumstances have forced you into playing your latest defeat with practically the same team on the park as the previous season then no it isn't.

By that I don't mean it's time to panic, but I do mean it's time to recognise that you have already lost two games to clubs you have to be aiming to finish above to have any chance of finishing in a European place. If, as seems to be the case, the manager has little faith in the vast majority of the players recruited in the transfer window then we have to do something at the arse end of this window, especially in the middle of the park.

If we don't then we will regret it .... there's already unease over our start to the season, it might only be game 6 of a 38 game season but already we are at the point where the result of our next home game against Killie has taken on a huge significance, win it with a decent performance and everybody can calm down a wee bit, lose it and folk will be looking out the torches and pitchforks.

[Bushwoof]

Aberdeen, billed as our rivals for a top 4 spot, have put 9 goals past Livi and St Mirren this season.


Worth pointing out that Aberdeen were beating neither of those teams until they went down to 10 men. Our results haven't been brilliant, but a bad half against LIvi away, and a dire performance away to St Mirren doesn't make us relegation favourites. Way way to early to be talking about that - even if we were Dundee Utd! I still think we'll come good.

[He's here!]

Livi miles ahead a team we battered for most of the second half the last time we played against. You seem to be trying a bit too hard in telling everyone how absolutely crap we are. We have played 5 league games.

I think it's a stretch to say we battered them. We woke up in the second half but it still wasn't good enough for even a point. More often than not Martindale has Livi more fired up than us and recent head to heads show that they have had the upper hand. Doesn't seem to matter who our manager is, they can't seem to rouse the players against the less glamorous sides.

We may only have played five league games but the points tally from those is already cause for concern.

[MWHIBBIES]

Oh look, it's the yearly "livi are ****ing amazing and will easily finish above us" thread.

[MWHIBBIES]

I think it's a stretch to say we battered them. We woke up in the second half but it still wasn't good enough for even a point. More often than not Martindale has Livi more fired up than us and recent head to heads show that they have had the upper hand. Doesn't seem to matter who our manager is, they can't seem to rouse the players against the less glamorous sides.

We may only have played five league games but the points tally from those is already cause for concern.

Jack Ross has a brilliant record against the less glamorous sides until his bad run at the end. The majority of them didn't beat us in 18 months.

[hibee-boys]

Resurrection you mean?

After 5 league game our season was dead and buried but we rose again to secure European football and enjoy a glorious Scottish Cup run🤞

[blackpoolhibs]

Worth pointing out that Aberdeen were beating neither of those teams until they went down to 10 men. Our results haven't been brilliant, but a bad half against LIvi away, and a dire performance away to St Mirren doesn't make us relegation favourites. Way way to early to be talking about that - even if we were Dundee Utd! I still think we'll come good.

Our only win was against 10 men if we are playing that game?

[He's here!]

Jack Ross has a brilliant record against the less glamorous sides until his bad run at the end. The majority of them didn't beat us in 18 months.

That's a fair shout, though his tenure was still peppered with poor results v Livi in particular.

Just looking at his bad run and in hindsight (bearing in mind we were also in a cup final) it doesn't look as awful as I remember it. Definitely a harsh call to sack him.

[Allant1981]

What part of it do you disagree with?

Also, you do realise that’s 8 teams I’ve listed with two of them only being in the ‘I wouldn’t be surprised to see them finish above us category’. There’s 12 in the league. If you find it mental that we’re not bottom of the league with 6-8 teams that would likely finish above us in a 12 team league then there’s not a lot I can do to help you on that front.

I disagree with almoat all of it, livo are clearly not miles better, if they were then they would be more than 1 point better off than us, we havent had a great start and no one could dispute that yet only 1 point behind, you claim every single team are making players better, well they must be utter rank if we arent bottom so make no difference if those players are improving with these teams

[Paulie Walnuts]

That's a fair shout, though his tenure was still peppered with poor results v Livi in particular.

Just looking at his bad run and in hindsight (bearing in mind we were also in a cup final) it doesn't look as awful as I remember it. Definitely a harsh call to sack him.

His bad run was absolutely abysmal results wise but on top of that, it was also abysmal performance wise. He had to go, or else we’d have been mentioning the R word last season as well. Minute he left we picked up 10 from 4 which probably left us too far ahead to be caught.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I disagree with almoat all of it, livo are clearly not miles better, if they were then they would be more than 1 point better off than us, we havent had a great start and no one could dispute that yet only 1 point behind, you claim every single team are making players better, well they must be utter rank if we arent bottom so make no difference if those players are improving with these teams

Every team are making players better? What on earth are you talking about?

There’s always a couple of rank teams in this league, I’m surprised that you seem surprised at that.

[Allant1981]

Every team are making players better? What on earth are you talking about?

There’s always a couple of rank teams in this league, I’m surprised that you seem surprised at that.

Read what you wrote

[Paulie Walnuts]

Read what you wrote

I know exactly what I wrote. I’ve still no idea what you’re on about.

[Hibernia&Alba]

After we beat Dundee United I am starting the "We are staying up" thread. Notice is duly given. :greengrin

[Smartie]

Jack Ross has a brilliant record against the less glamorous sides until his bad run at the end. The majority of them didn't beat us in 18 months.

Not to be sniffed at tbh.

Jack Ross had a very good away record in particular.

Our league position will depend on getting the job done, home and away, against teams with less resources than us, more than any other factor.

[allezsauzee]

We’ve got the 7 year itch
Having won trophies in 1972 1991 2007 around 7 years later we were relegated
We on the cup in 2016 and this is the 7 th year
As someone said I wouldn’t back this team in a relegation fight

I don't think this is a coincidence. I'm not old enough to remember much of our decline in the 70s but in the 90s we had a decent team and as those players got to the end of their careers, we failed to sign players to replace them before they started to decline. Alex Miller paid the price and Jim Duffy came in, gutted the team and signed all the players he liked at Dundee or wanted to sign for Dundee. Likewise in the 2000s , we sold our young stars and used the money for the stadium and training facilities at the expense of the team. I think this time round we peaked when finishing 4 points off 2nd place rather than when we won the cup but we've again failed to replace players that have been sold or come to the end of their career. The fact that we had three of the defence from the cup final in our squad on Saturday tells its own story. We never seem to be owned/managed by people with the foresight/ability to build on any successes.

[He's here!]

Might seem an overly-pessimistic question when we're still clinging to third spot but that's 3 defeats on the bounce now, two of which were to teams we shouldn't be losing to if we're serious about finishing best of the rest. The teams just below us now have two games in hand on us and we're rapidly undoing all the good work of 4 straight wins. A couple more defeats and we could easily be in among the drop candidates.

I think its fair to say we're simply another bang average side among several and I'm just not seeing what this team have about them to address a slump. The pitiful goals for column of late is a particular worry.

[BoomtownHibees]

Jesus

[JimBHibees]

Might seem an overly-pessimistic question when we're still clinging to third spot but that's 3 defeats on the bounce now, two of which were to teams we shouldn't be losing to if we're serious about finishing best of the rest. The teams just below us now have two games in hand on us and we're rapidly undoing all the good work of 4 straight wins. A couple more defeats and we could easily be in among the drop candidates.

I think its fair to say we're simply another bang average side among several and I'm just not seeing what this team have about them to address a slump. The pitiful goals for column of late is a particular worry.

Ffs

[Libby Hibby]

There are so many drama queens on here.

[B.H.F.C]

Absolutely no danger of relegation. We’ll be miles clear of that.

Whether we can win enough games to challenge for third is a different question.

[He's here!]

Absolutely no danger of relegation. We’ll be miles clear of that.

Whether we can win enough games to challenge for third is a different question.

I'm not so sure we'll be miles clear based on recent displays. I certainly wouldn't back this team to fight their way out of a tight spot. Our heads-down reaction to the sending-off and subsequent equaliser last night was alarming.

Having played every other team now I'm not seeing which ones we're significantly better than and looking at the league table it strikes me that pretty much any team outwith the big two can quickly find themselves in bother.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Absolutely no danger of relegation. We’ll be miles clear of that.

Whether we can win enough games to challenge for third is a different question.

:agree:

Don’t think we’re in any danger of that. Bottom six is definitely a possibility but I don’t think it’ll be any worse than that.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Might seem an overly-pessimistic question when we're still clinging to third spot but that's 3 defeats on the bounce now, two of which were to teams we shouldn't be losing to if we're serious about finishing best of the rest. The teams just below us now have two games in hand on us and we're rapidly undoing all the good work of 4 straight wins. A couple more defeats and we could easily be in among the drop candidates.

I think its fair to say we're simply another bang average side among several and I'm just not seeing what this team have about them to address a slump. The pitiful goals for column of late is a particular worry.

Come on now, pull yourself together. It's October!

[blackpoolhibs]

Absolutely no danger of relegation. We’ll be miles clear of that.

Whether we can win enough games to challenge for third is a different question.

This squad will be nowhere near 3rd at the split, nevermind the end of the season.

[B.H.F.C]

This squad will be nowhere near 3rd at the split, nevermind the end of the season.

The competition isn’t exactly much different. Equally disjointed, up and down performances. Nobody is going to run away with third this year.

I don’t think we have a great squad but I still think we will win enough games to have us, at least, in contention.

[He's here!]

This squad will be nowhere near 3rd at the split, nevermind the end of the season.

I'd agree with that based on what we're seeing. There's a Jim Duffy aspect to this squad IMHO. A handful of quite talented individuals but a team that looks capable of folding under the merest pressure. When you can't capitalise on a capacity home crowd against the likes of St Johnstone it's fair to question their mental fortitude. Sure, Celtic are on a different level but we've also seen how this squad wilts in a hostile away environment. We could easily have conceded 10 last week.

I think our potential saving grace is that the overall standard of the also-rans in this league is especially poor and we're maybe not quite as weak as some others.

[Lago]

Might seem an overly-pessimistic question when we're still clinging to third spot but that's 3 defeats on the bounce now, two of which were to teams we shouldn't be losing to if we're serious about finishing best of the rest. The teams just below us now have two games in hand on us and we're rapidly undoing all the good work of 4 straight wins. A couple more defeats and we could easily be in among the drop candidates.

I think its fair to say we're simply another bang average side among several and I'm just not seeing what this team have about them to address a slump. The pitiful goals for column of late is a particular worry.
Get a grip, go and join the Ian Gordon hit squad on the other thread.

[Mantis Toboggan]

A pathetic thread in the first place and equally so to dredge it up again

[Michael]

Relegation isn't that ludicrous. It's happened before, and we're not really much better than anyone else in this league.

[Ringothedog]

Might seem an overly-pessimistic question when we're still clinging to third spot but that's 3 defeats on the bounce now, two of which were to teams we shouldn't be losing to if we're serious about finishing best of the rest. The teams just below us now have two games in hand on us and we're rapidly undoing all the good work of 4 straight wins. A couple more defeats and we could easily be in among the drop candidates.

I think its fair to say we're simply another bang average side among several and I'm just not seeing what this team have about them to address a slump. The pitiful goals for column of late is a particular worry.

I would suggest following Hibs is not for you

[sleeping giant]

Might seem an overly-pessimistic question when we're still clinging to third spot but that's 3 defeats on the bounce now, two of which were to teams we shouldn't be losing to if we're serious about finishing best of the rest. The teams just below us now have two games in hand on us and we're rapidly undoing all the good work of 4 straight wins. A couple more defeats and we could easily be in among the drop candidates.

I think its fair to say we're simply another bang average side among several and I'm just not seeing what this team have about them to address a slump. The pitiful goals for column of late is a particular worry.

Trolls out in force

[Iain G]

Relegation!!! Not gonna happen. Close the ludicrous thread 🤣

[Sir David Gray]

I don't think there's any way that we'll be relegated this season but I also don't think we're any better than around 6 or 7 other sides in the league meaning we could finish anywhere from 3rd to 8th or 9th.

[Since452]

Oh behave

[He's here!]

Relegation isn't that ludicrous. It's happened before, and we're not really much better than anyone else in this league.

Losing to Dundee United and St Johnstone in recent weeks would certainly indicate that.

[WeeRussell]

Might seem an overly-pessimistic question when we're still clinging to third spot but that's 3 defeats on the bounce now, two of which were to teams we shouldn't be losing to if we're serious about finishing best of the rest. The teams just below us now have two games in hand on us and we're rapidly undoing all the good work of 4 straight wins. A couple more defeats and we could easily be in among the drop candidates.

I think its fair to say we're simply another bang average side among several and I'm just not seeing what this team have about them to address a slump. The pitiful goals for column of late is a particular worry.

**** off.

[A Hi-Bee]

Jesus H Christ, we is a middle o the table team, we will manage to stay just above it, or just about get into the top 6 someplace in the middle.
We need to invest in real quality players to do any better, players that can come in and replace what we have.
:aok:

[Hiber-nation]

Might seem an overly-pessimistic question when we're still clinging to third spot but that's 3 defeats on the bounce now, two of which were to teams we shouldn't be losing to if we're serious about finishing best of the rest. The teams just below us now have two games in hand on us and we're rapidly undoing all the good work of 4 straight wins. A couple more defeats and we could easily be in among the drop candidates.

I think its fair to say we're simply another bang average side among several and I'm just not seeing what this team have about them to address a slump. The pitiful goals for column of late is a particular worry.

You stated previously that you prefer watching England Women to Hibs so your opinion is worth nothing.

[A Hi-Bee]

You stated previously that you prefer watching England Women to Hibs so your opinion is worth nothing.

Wots wrong wi the wimans game???

:greengrin

[NAE NOOKIE]

I don't think we need to be worrying about relegation at this point, but neither should any other team in the league, there's only 8 points between 3rd and 12th and a long long way to go. Conversely of course, with the gap at only 8 points nobody can pretend relegation isn't a possibility either.

Look at Hearts, absolutely convinced that once Europe is done ragdolling them and their injury woes clear up 3rd is probably still a stick on, we even had replay Robbie in the papers practically saying that after they lost to Aberdeen, it's that kind of Hubris that does get teams relegated.

But from our POV we simply can't be seriously harbouring ambitions of finishing in 3rd place if we continue to lose games to clubs we need to be beating to finish in 3rd. At the moment that's the issue, not the threat of relegation and so far we haven't shown enough to be confident of top 6, never mind 3rd.

[Jones28]

😂😂

My ****ing god, have Hibs fans always been such *****bags or is this a fairly recent development?

[He's here!]

I don't think we need to be worrying about relegation at this point, but neither should any other team in the league, there's only 8 points between 3rd and 12th and a long long way to go. Conversely of course, with the gap at only 8 points nobody can pretend relegation isn't a possibility either.

Look at Hearts, absolutely convinced that once Europe is done ragdolling them and their injury woes clear up 3rd is probably still a stick on, we even had replay Robbie in the papers practically saying that after they lost to Aberdeen, it's that kind of Hubris that does get teams relegated.

But from our POV we simply can't be seriously harbouring ambitions of finishing in 3rd place if we continue to lose games to clubs we need to be beating to finish in 3rd. At the moment that's the issue, not the threat of relegation and so far we haven't shown enough to be confident of top 6, never mind 3rd.

Indeed. Losing to Livi, St Mirren, United and St Johnstone is hardly the mark of a team likely to challenge for third. Continue to lose such games on a regular basis and there's nothing outlandish about suggesting we could find ourselves in bother. What is giving folk the confidence to think otherwise?

[Bridge hibs]

Indeed. Losing to Livi, St Mirren, United and St Johnstone is hardly the mark of a team likely to challenge for third. Continue to lose such games on a regular basis and there's nothing outlandish about suggesting we could find ourselves in bother. What is giving folk the confidence to think otherwise?What about the draws v hearts, the rangers, wins v St Johnstone away, Ross county away, Kilmarnock, Aberdeen and Motherwell at home, do those games not count or is it only defeats ?

[B.H.F.C]

Indeed. Losing to Livi, St Mirren, United and St Johnstone is hardly the mark of a team likely to challenge for third. Continue to lose such games on a regular basis and there's nothing outlandish about suggesting we could find ourselves in bother. What is giving folk the confidence to think otherwise?

Who is going to challenge for third that, thus far, hasn’t lost to similar teams?

[He's here!]

What about the draws v hearts, the rangers, wins v St Johnstone away, Ross county away, Kilmarnock, Aberdeen and Motherwell at home, do those games not count or is it only defeats ?

Of course they count but we've shown we're just as capable of losing to teams below us on a regular basis which indicates a) an utter lack of consistency and b) that we're not significantly better than any other team outwith the big two. That may largely reflect the mediocre quality of our domestic game (ie the least worst team may end up finishing third) but it also shows that on the evidence so far we could as easily become embroiled at the wrong end of the table as be striving for third.

[He's here!]

Who is going to challenge for third that, thus far, hasn’t lost to similar teams?

True, and as I've just posted it may reflect the fact that the league comprises Celtic, Rangers plus 10 teams of a largely similar standard.

We've had a few decent results but so far I'm not thinking Hibs are a particularly good side.

[Bridge hibs]

Of course they count but we've shown we're just as capable of losing to teams below us on a regular basis which indicates a) an utter lack of consistency and b) that we're not significantly better than any other team outwith the big two. That may largely reflect the mediocre quality of our domestic game (ie the least worst team may end up finishing third) but it also shows that on the evidence so far we could as easily become embroiled at the wrong end of the table as be striving for third.We won 4 on the trot, if we were as bad as you are making out then we would be propping up the league, as bad as recent results have been we are still 3rd. We are capable of winning a few again as well as we are of losing a few but relegation, ffs man

[Nakedmanoncrack]

Of course they count but we've shown we're just as capable of losing to teams below us on a regular basis which indicates a) an utter lack of consistency and b) that we're not significantly better than any other team outwith the big two. That may largely reflect the mediocre quality of our domestic game (ie the least worst team may end up finishing third) but it also shows that on the evidence so far we could as easily become embroiled at the wrong end of the table as be striving for third.

Far too sensible a post for here👍🏻
We are a poor team, of that there's no doubt, as are the rest of the league. Not significantly better than any of the other 9, or significantly worse. Of course relegation is a possibility for any such team.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Far too sensible a post for here👍🏻
We are a poor team, of that there's no doubt, as are the rest of the league. Not significantly better than any of the other 9, or significantly worse. Of course relegation is a possibility for any such team.

Mibees aye, mibees naw, but it's October and we are in the top half of the table. It's far, far too early to discuss the possibility of relegation, IMHO.

[He's here!]

Far too sensible a post for here👍🏻
We are a poor team, of that there's no doubt, as are the rest of the league. Not significantly better than any of the other 9, or significantly worse. Of course relegation is a possibility for any such team.

Need to arrest the losing habit asap or morale starts to drain away. Important not to lose to St Mirren next week but that will be a tough game and it's hard to imagine anyone's confident we'll win.

[MWHIBBIES]

Need to arrest the losing habit asap or morale starts to drain away. Important not to lose to St Mirren next week but that will be a tough game and it's hard to imagine anyone's confident we'll win.

3 losses, 2 of them extremely close games in which very important decisions went against us. Yeah, I'm really not going to panic. Confident we'll get back to form next week.

[loanheadhibby]

3 losses, 2 of them extremely close games in which very important decisions went against us. Yeah, I'm really not going to panic. Confident we'll get back to form next week.

Yes agreed two very close games.
What were the important decisions that went against us last night?
Perhaps by accident but don't think we can argue against anything.

[NAE NOOKIE]

3 losses, 2 of them extremely close games in which very important decisions went against us. Yeah, I'm really not going to panic. Confident we'll get back to form next week.

That kind of encapsulates things in a nutshell. The Celtic game aside we haven't even been any nearer to a heavy defeat against anybody than we have been to handing anybody the pasting LJ seems to think we should be capable of.

Therein lies the basis for hope ... it's a decent starting point knowing that you are for the most part difficult to score against and I can see no reason our defence should get any worse than it is barring a shocking run of injuries and suspensions. In view of that an upturn in our fortunes in front of goal could well see us make real inroads ... we still have Nisbet to return, with the hope that he will be the player he was a year or so ago and McGeady as well who could bring some much needed guile to our forward play.

It's not all doom and gloom IMO ... we live in hope :greengrin

[MWHIBBIES]

Yes agreed two very close games.
What were the important decisions that went against us last night?
Perhaps by accident but don't think we can argue against anything.

I'd argue Kyle's first booking was soft.

The offside was very very close too.

The ref booking all our pressing players for first offense and letting Hallberg away with the worst tackle of the match was unfortunate too.

Overall small things that can change a tight match. We'd win that match 7 times out of 10.

[Zambernardi1875]

I'd argue Kyle's first booking was soft.

The offside was very very close too.

The ref booking all our pressing players for first offense and letting Hallberg away with the worst tackle of the match was unfortunate too.

Overall small things that can change a tight match. We'd win that match 7 times out of 10.

Yeah and after the first or second booking the senior players should’ve said , right guys this ref is booking anything tonight let’s not give him any reason to book us. Player intelligence is severely lacking with this lot. Even down to 10 nothing changed

[HoboHarry]

That kind of encapsulates things in a nutshell. The Celtic game aside we haven't even been any nearer to a heavy defeat against anybody than we have been to handing anybody the pasting LJ seems to think we should be capable of.

Therein lies the basis for hope ... it's a decent starting point knowing that you are for the most part difficult to score against and I can see no reason our defence should get any worse than it is barring a shocking run of injuries and suspensions. In view of that an upturn in our fortunes in front of goal could well see us make real inroads ... we still have Nisbet to return, with the hope that he will be the player he was a year or so ago and McGeady as well who could bring some much needed guile to our forward play.

It's not all doom and gloom IMO ... we live in hope :greengrin

Well said mate. :top marks

[MWHIBBIES]

Yeah and after the first or second booking the senior players should’ve said , right guys this ref is booking anything tonight let’s not give him any reason to book us. Player intelligence is severely lacking with this lot. Even down to 10 nothing changed
Is it? Do you always deal with every adverse situation perfectly within 2 minutes at work? I certainly don't.

The players and management reacted badly but it was a difficult situation. It's not like going a goal down, which happens often. We ****ed it but like anything else, the most important thing is to do better next time.

[Zambernardi1875]

Is it? Do you always deal with every adverse situation perfectly within 2 minutes at work? I certainly don't.

The players and management reacted badly but it was a difficult situation. It's not like going a goal down, which happens often. We ****ed it but like anything else, the most important thing is to do better next time.

Re you’re first point, As I’ve said countless times since the game, I seen the officials and pre meditated what was going to happen. Wit you’re second as I’ve also said we as a team are not learning from these mishaps

[MWHIBBIES]

Re you’re first point, As I’ve said countless times since the game, I seen the officials and pre meditated what was going to happen. Wit you’re second as I’ve also said we as a team are not learning from these mishaps

Eh, how far are we going back with this team, though?

[He's here!]

I'll get flak from some for continuing to bring this up but I make no apologies for it because I think we are in a whole heap of trouble and we can't keep pretending otherwise.

3 points from 18. Beaten easily at home by Ross County. This is relegation form, no two ways about it.

[He's here!]

Zero points from nine against St Mirren, Motherwell and Livi (and dominated by the opposition for the most part). That's relegation form, no two ways about it.

With a likely doing at Pittodrie to follow another thumping by Villa, morale is going to be rock bottom and the 'it's only x number of games into the season' excuses will start to ring very hollow.

I'm honestly not sure a new manager can make much difference. We are simply garbage with a defence not even worth of the name and I'm struggling to pinpoint a single team in the league I think we're capable of beating.

[LunasBoots]

Nope and with the games coming up we'll still likely we bottom, things are not good and we are in bother.

[Jim44]

Zero points from nine against St Mirren, Motherwell and Livi (and dominated by the opposition for the most part). That's relegation form, no two ways about it.

With a likely doing at Pittodrie to follow another thumping by Villa, morale is going to be rock bottom and the 'it's only x number of games into the season' excuses will start to ring very hollow.

I'm honestly not sure a new manager can make much difference. We are simply garbage with a defence not even worth of the name and I'm struggling to pinpoint a single team in the league I think we're capable of beating.

I’m honestly sure that LJ is incapable of getting us out of this mess so I would gamble on a change.

[IberianHibernian]

Only positives are that we have plenty of time to climb the league and that all 3 league defeats have only been by 1 goal despite abismal play ( even with same players a different manager may turn these 1 goal defeats into draws and wins ) .

[MWHIBBIES]

We actually could go down this season

[WhileTheChief..]

Zero points from nine against St Mirren, Motherwell and Livi (and dominated by the opposition for the most part). That's relegation form, no two ways about it.

With a likely doing at Pittodrie to follow another thumping by Villa, morale is going to be rock bottom and the 'it's only x number of games into the season' excuses will start to ring very hollow.

I'm honestly not sure a new manager can make much difference. We are simply garbage with a defence not even worth of the name and I'm struggling to pinpoint a single team in the league I think we're capable of beating.

Lj is the problem.

Remove him and things instantly improve.

[DaveF]

We actually could go down this season

With Johnson in charge, we absolutely will be relegated.

[Just Alf]

Maybe worth a thread.. but last year's?

[Not So Young]

Maybe worth a thread.. but last year's?


It's telling that this question was being asked on 27th August last year and now twelve months later being asked again at the same point of the season

[Northernhibee]

No. We’re in big trouble.

[JohnM1875]

Far too early. It's three games in.

But if we stick with LJ, which surely we ****ing won't! Then I'll start worrying.

[He's here!]

Maybe worth a thread.. but last year's?

There were a smattering of good (in a couple of cases slightly freakish) results last season but we were alarmingly poor for the majority of the season. I fear the European qualification papered over a lot of cracks.

[Not So Young]

St Mirren, Motherwell and now Livi all teams in the mix for 5th, 6th and 7th place. Failing to beat them makes finishing top six really difficult.

[Jim44]

Forget top six. Let’s think about survival.

[eastmainsmsh]

Not with this bunch of rubbish unfortunately

[lucky]

Far to early for that but we've got two touch games coming up

[WeeRussell]

It's telling that this question was being asked on 27th August last year and now twelve months later being asked again at the same point of the season

By the same poster who is always desperate to raise such questions. Incidentally often has a strong opinion on how bad we look despite openly admitting he doesn’t bother watching hibs games anymore.

Ach well, it takes all kinds I suppose.

[He's here!]

Lj is the problem.

Remove him and things instantly improve.

I'm not so sure about instant improvement. Folk cite how bad things were in the early 80s when talk turns to worst ever Hibs teams but while the team back then were never going to set the heather alight you at least knew they would play with their heart on their sleeve and would be set up in a way that you could see the way they were trying to play. I just can't discern any clear strategy with the current squad and I'm far from convinced they could be relied upon to dig us out of a deep hole.

[He's here!]

Some folk will be hacked off to see this revived but it's a valid question.

We are a shambles of a club and can anyone honestly point to a team in the league we look stronger than?

[Jones28]

It’s too early but jeez that’s a stinker of an opening day result.

[hibIBZ]

Valid question, if we play like that and with these players then we will be in trouble

[Broxburn Greens]

Nope it’s not to early, we look dreadful


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[Joe6-2]

Sadly it’s not to early to raise it, if they can’t be up for the opening game of the season, against St Mirren, when will they be

[Alfred E Newman]

It’s too early but jeez that’s a stinker of an opening day result.

Have we had a worse one? We certainly lost at home to Stranraer in the championship but I can't think of one as grim as this in the Premier.

[MelbourneHibees]

Sadly it’s not to early to raise it, if they can’t be up for the opening game of the season, against St Mirren, when will they be

I think from the first half it showed they were up for it. Which is even scarier.

[Mr Grieves]

We're in bother

[MrSmith]

Absolutely not too early. We are a cluster**** of club that has no idea how to run a football team, today has confirmed to people like me it isn’t worth the cost or bother anymore, and will alienate others.

[He's here!]

The derbies don't bear thinking about. I guess at least there will be only three, unless we draw the yams in the Scottish Cup (we're already as good as out the League Cup).

[Malthibby]

We will be in relegation trouble if we don't get players in who can make a difference very quickly - St. Mirren are an average team and ran through us at will; even when we had the bulk of possession in the first half we did nothing with it.
'Hibs, Hibs are falling apart again' is becoming a familiar refrain from opposing fans.
Groundhog Day 2.0.

[Northernhibee]

No, I warned last year that if we get this summer wrong that it was a distinct possibility but apparently was being relentlessly negative.

[supermcginn]

I predicted 10th in the predictions thread but I think that was ambitious. We are in deep trouble.

[MWHIBBIES]

I think this is the season. Been coming since these idiots bought our club.

[B.H.F.C]

No. We could sleep walk in to trouble thinking that we’re too good to get relegated. We are a mess and haven’t done enough to fix it. It’s terrible.

[Pretty Boy]

The games don't get any easier. We have a bit of a nightmare of a start. If we are being realistic we will be bottom of the league and out the LC by a week on Tuesday.

Obviously nothing is decided in August but as it stands this squad could easily find itself in a relegation battle if we allow ourselves to be cast adrift early doors.

[danhibees1875]

1 more Celtic goal and we'll already be storming up the league table.

[Jim44]

It’s not too early to fear relegation. We are the softest touch in the Premiership and, without a shadow of doubt, a laughing stock. A lot of us, because of our history and standing in the game (and I include myself) seem to think we have some sort of entitlement to success or safety. Understandable but sadly way off the mark. First match of the season, but we are without doubt in a major crisis.

[TelaStella]

I genuinely think we might need it


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[Onceinawhile]

Can't score and can't keep the ball out.

Not a recipe for a good season.

[john rossi]

No it’s not to early to mention the R word the club stinks from top to bottom. Unless the Gordon’s selll up to Foley or an other party we are in deep trouble and I would say relegation is a distinct possibility. The present squad is nowhere near good enough for mid table and will be struggling with no points from 1st 3 matches, the board have a lot to answer for if we go down.

[ChuckNor]

It’s not to early. That squad is giving us all the fear. We’ve done no where near the work needed to improve it. The only people who seemed to see that we were not ready for this season were us, the fans. Our clueless board, owners and sporting director need to answer so many questions.

As always, Ben Kensell, get the **** away from our club. You’re completely inept.

[He's here!]

No. We could sleep walk in to trouble thinking that we’re too good to get relegated. We are a mess and haven’t done enough to fix it. It’s terrible.

Nobody surely thinks that? Apart from maybe the club owners.

[Hibernia&Alba]

If we don’t sign a couple of players who can regularly score goals, we are going to struggle. You don’t need to Pep Guardiola to know that you don’t pick up many points if you don’t score.

[Rob]

The games don't get any easier. We have a bit of a nightmare of a start. If we are being realistic we will be bottom of the league and out the LC by a week on Tuesday.

Obviously nothing is decided in August but as it stands this squad could easily find itself in a relegation battle if we allow ourselves to be cast adrift early doors.
The worry for me is if we do find ourselves in a relegation battle, can we rely on these players to dig us out of trouble?

[Mango Man]

I do think this is the season we will be fighting in the bottom 3, just the lack of fight, character, quality, depth, there is very little to hang on to here, relegation would not surprise me in the slightest, absolutely brutal.

[Jim44]

Our first chance of a point might realistically be in mid-September against St Johnstone, but that is debatable. If we can’t squeeze anything out of that game we might as well pack our bags and head for the hills. We really had to get at least a point today to give us some semblance of hope in the next few games but, true to form, they let us down again.

[GreenCastle]

The worrying thing is you need fight to stay up and honestly don’t think we have it in us - too many soft players who can’t tackle.

Looking at the fixtures it’s worrying and just can’t see where we will start picking up points / scoring goals.

[McGruber]

Our first chance of a point might realistically be in mid-September against St Johnstone, but that is debatable. If we can’t squeeze anything out of that game we might as well pack our bags and head for the hills. We really had to get at least a point today to give us some semblance of hope in the next few games but, true to form, they let us down again.

We have Dundee at Easter Road 24th August - unless it has been moved

[Just Alf]

Next 2 games are Celtc so giving up on them already, anything at all from that is a win... Dundee then Killie are a different matter we really have to be getting points (preferably max!) from those games otherwise we're on a sticky wicket :-(

[DIXIHIBS]

I know I'll probably be in a minority of one here but to be talking about relegation after 1 game..,,1. I'm not under any illusions about the state of the things at the club and I'm fully aware we have to improve the team/squad but come on. If after playing everyone home/away, we are bottom and struggling, fair enough, but I doubt any other team in the league would be talking relegation at this stage.

[snedzuk]

Have we had a worse one? We certainly lost at home to Stranraer in the championship but I can't think of one as grim as this in the Premier.

Did we not lose to St Mirren 3.0 at E R in the first game last season. Still, only Celtic up twice next.

[Jim44]

We have Dundee at Easter Road 24th August - unless it has been moved

On today’s form and the fiasco against Kelty, I don’t consider the game against Dundee a realistic chance of points. They looked quite sharp against D Utd., today, certainly sharper than us, and won’t have to do too much to pick up 3 points. I might be being too harsh on St Johnstone to suggest we might get something out of that game, but every dog has his day and we might pick up a few scraps along the way.

[Malonga's Cat]

Not too early at all and the sooner those running the club realise that the better. We have been in decline for years now and nothing seems to change (except for hospitality and marketing = more money from fans).

If we are apathetic just now we are going to be in real bother. We don't have players with the fight for a relegation battle. Folk will be rubbing their hands at the thought of landing the next blow on us.

[snedzuk]

Our first chance of a point might realistically be in mid-September against St Johnstone, but that is debatable. If we can’t squeeze anything out of that game we might as well pack our bags and head for the hills. We really had to get at least a point today to give us some semblance of hope in the next few games but, true to form, they let us down again.

Cue Uche Ikpeazu.

[McGruber]

On today’s form and the fiasco against Kelty, I don’t consider the game against Dundee a realistic chance of points. They looked quite sharp against D Utd., today, certainly sharper than us, and won’t have to do too much to pick up 3 points. I might be being too harsh on St Johnstone to suggest we might get something out of that game, but every dog has his day and we might pick up a few scraps along the way.

We took 4 out of 6 v Dundee at ER under Monty and really should have taken 6. Battered them really without much of a return on goals. 4 points from Monty though. If the suggestion is that any point v Dundee at home under Gray is unlikely then we would have been better sticking with Monty

[Jim44]

We took 4 out of 6 v Dundee at ER under Monty and really should have taken 6. Battered them really without much of a return on goals. 4 points from Monty though. If the suggestion is that any point v Dundee at home under Gray is unlikely then we would have been better sticking with Monty

That was then, this is now. :greengrin

[Glory Lurker]

To think I only renewed my ST because I just couldn't believe we would still be as awful this season.

[He's here!]

We have Dundee at Easter Road 24th August - unless it has been moved

Dundee will fancy three points from that one. They're a stronger side than us by the looks of them. But then who isn't?

[He's here!]

We took 4 out of 6 v Dundee at ER under Monty and really should have taken 6. Battered them really without much of a return on goals. 4 points from Monty though. If the suggestion is that any point v Dundee at home under Gray is unlikely then we would have been better sticking with Monty

As things stand right now I'd say a point is unlikely. Teams basically just need to get the first goal against us and we're not taking anything from a game. As Kelty underlined.

[Alfred E Newman]

Did we not lose to St Mirren 3.0 at E R in the first game last season. Still, only Celtic up twice next.

2-3 Equalised late on then gave away the winner with almost the last kick of the game.

[Forza Fred]

2-3 Equalised late on then gave away the winner with almost the last kick of the game.

Thing is, had the opening score last year, (St Mirren2-3) been reversed, we would have been 5th at the break and St Mirren7th.

We would probably have been playing in Europe last week while St Mirren watched on.

And having made the top six we’d probably still have Monty in charge.

All..if that singular opening 2-3 score line was reversed.

So…opening game results DO matter.

[blackpoolhibs]

We ARE in decline, relegation should never be spoken about at Hibs, but once again we fear it because we are sheite and ruddeless from the top down, to the tea lady if we still have one, The Gordons have probably sacked her.:titanic:

[Since452]

Id have scoffed at the idea but who else in the league would lose 3-0 to a rusty St Mirren team who played on Thursday night and who'd only had 2 competitive games? Very worrying scoreline.

[He's here!]

Id have scoffed at the idea but who else in the league would lose 3-0 to a rusty St Mirren team who played on Thursday night and who'd only had 2 competitive games? Very worrying scoreline.

The most worrying thing for me is that you look at literally every other team in the league and there's not one where you think 'Yep, our current team should beat them'. United will be a significantly stronger proposition than Livi for a start.

[Trinity Hibee]

Id have scoffed at the idea but who else in the league would lose 3-0 to a rusty St Mirren team who played on Thursday night and who'd only had 2 competitive games? Very worrying scoreline.

It is only game 1 however being comprehensively beaten by St Mirren is a terrible look. The fact we have Celtic twice and then an energetic Dundee team is a worry.

I watched the Dundee derby and both teams were direct, aggressive and had energy. Everything we lack at the moment and have lacked for the last few years

[Alfred E Newman]

The most worrying thing for me is that you look at literally every other team in the league and there's not one where you think 'Yep, our current team should beat them'. United will be a significantly stronger proposition than Livi for a start.

You can argue all you like about whether Gray should have been given the task of lifting the club from the mess of last season but we are now going into a league campaign with the least experienced manager in the league. He has been thrown in at the deep end and the consequences could be catastrophic for the club.

[ChuckNor]

The most worrying thing for me is that you look at literally every other team in the league and there's not one where you think 'Yep, our current team should beat them'. United will be a significantly stronger proposition than Livi for a start.

Bang on. The only team I feel slightly optimistic we can beat is St Johnstone that is how bad it is. We’ve failed to replace the one player who kept us up last season and not added any additional quality anywhere this window. Unless Malky wakes up and gets some bodies in we are heading either straight down or for a playoff.

[SHODAN]

Ten teams in this league are better equipped for survival than we are as things stand.

As for St Johnstone: can you imagine how ****ing psyched Levein will be at the opportunity to relegate us?

[Trinity Hibee]

Ten teams in this league are better equipped for survival than we are as things stand.

As for St Johnstone: can you imagine how ****ing psyched Levein will be at the opportunity to relegate us?

Levein will be gone within a few months I imagine

[Ronniekirk]

Given upcoming fixtures and squad as is we could well find ourselves bottom of the league after four games With a rookie Manager it immediately heaps the pressure on him
The next three or four signings could be crucial to how our season pans out

[Carheenlea]

If we have such a bad start that we are stuck down the bottom after 10/12 games, we’ll be changing manager well before Christmas.

Malky Mackay can’t sit in the stand and watch that yesterday and believe it’s a strong enough side to compete, but we know additions are incoming which should improve things somewhat. If we change the dynamic of the midfield then we should start to look a better equipped unit.

With incoming improvements of players we should be just fine, but squad as is stands would be struggling to stay up.

[Pagan Hibernia]

It has the feel of a 2010-2014 decline.

Relegation would be a disaster for us financially.

The flip side is that sometimes it requires a disaster like that to give the club the shake-up that it needs. I'd hate to see it happen but I would try and remember that in 98 we came straight back up playing some of the best football ive seen at Easter Road, and in 2014 it led to a complete overhaul which saw us win the Scottish Cup and come back to the top tier a very different animal.

Who knows, maybe the club needs to reach rock bottom in order to see the removal of Kensell and Ian Gordon. Or maybe even that is wishful thinking.

[SHODAN]

It has the feel of a 2010-2014 decline.

Relegation would be a disaster for us financially.

The flip side is that sometimes it requires a disaster like that to give the club the shake-up that it needs. I'd hate to see it happen but I would try and remember that in 98 we came straight back up playing some of the best football ive seen at Easter Road, and in 2014 it led to a complete overhaul which saw us win the Scottish Cup and come back to the top tier a very different animal.

Who knows, maybe the club needs to reach rock bottom in order to see the removal of Kensell and Ian Gordon. Or maybe even that is wishful thinking.

That's where I am too. Relegation got us out of where we were last time.

[Exuberance1875]

It’s not to early for this, if we finish 10th this season with this fire group of players this season will be a success.

[Contador]

It has the feel of a 2010-2014 decline.

Relegation would be a disaster for us financially.

The flip side is that sometimes it requires a disaster like that to give the club the shake-up that it needs. I'd hate to see it happen but I would try and remember that in 98 we came straight back up playing some of the best football ive seen at Easter Road, and in 2014 it led to a complete overhaul which saw us win the Scottish Cup and come back to the top tier a very different animal.

Who knows, maybe the club needs to reach rock bottom in order to see the removal of Kensell and Ian Gordon. Or maybe even that is wishful thinking.

All the while Hearts and Aberdeen are scooping up £5million price pots from playing European group football, that didn't exist in 2014.

Unfortunately we are already seeing the benefits of that to Hearts, relegation would widen that gap massively and potentially take us years to become competitive for third spot again.

[Pagan Hibernia]

All the while Hearts and Aberdeen are scooping up £5million price pots from playing European group football, that didn't exist in 2014.

Unfortunately we are already seeing the benefits of that to Hearts, relegation would widen that gap massively and potentially take us years to become competitive for third spot again.


I know. It would be a bitter pill to swallow.

But we are already missing out on that money as it is. We've no chance of top 4 this season, and probably not for as long as the status quo remains in the boardroom.

Ive always wondered what would have happened if we'd won that play off against Hamilton and Butcher had remained in post. More of the same dross for years I reckon. Certainly no Scottish Cup.

[He's here!]

It has the feel of a 2010-2014 decline.

Relegation would be a disaster for us financially.

The flip side is that sometimes it requires a disaster like that to give the club the shake-up that it needs. I'd hate to see it happen but I would try and remember that in 98 we came straight back up playing some of the best football ive seen at Easter Road, and in 2014 it led to a complete overhaul which saw us win the Scottish Cup and come back to the top tier a very different animal.

Who knows, maybe the club needs to reach rock bottom in order to see the removal of Kensell and Ian Gordon. Or maybe even that is wishful thinking.

We might be a more viable proposition to a potential buyer if we get relegated. As you say, maybe worth it to see the back of the staggeringly awful current ownership. It would dare us having to play derbies as well.

[Cabbage-Patch]

In a word No

Even with another couple of additions we will struggle to get top 6. St Mirren, Dundee, and Hearts all look streets ahead of us.

We will be scrapping with St Johnstone and County for the bottom 3 places at this rate.

[Jim44]

Look on the bright side …… we are only in the play-off position just now. If Aberdeen or St Johnstone win by 4 clear goals tonight, we will only be in 10th place. :greengrin

[Jim44]

Still in the play off spot. :greengrin

[killie-hibby]

Look on the bright side …… we are only in the play-off position just now. If Aberdeen or St Johnstone win by 4 clear goals tonight, we will only be in 10th place. :greengrin

Even brighter is the fact we are only three points behind the league leaders.

[Jim44]

Even brighter is the fact we are only three points behind the league leaders.

I hate blind optimism. :-)

[He's here!]

I thought we'd lose more heavily today so to only concede twice was a relief of sorts but we could easily have been four or five goals down at HT. Personally I thought we looked like a team set for a relegation battle. Bottom of the league two games in with zero goals scored and a morale-sapping heavy cup defeat most likely next up.

Our next league game is against a Dundee side who really put Hearts to the sword in thf first half yesterday with some very entertaining football. Hard to see us taking anything from them.

[Pretty Boy]

If you were an outsider looking in and you watched our midfield you would absolutely say that is a midfield that could get a team relegated.

Hopefully Bowie can step up in the way Maolida did last season and score the goals that keep us out of bother. If we are relying on being solid at the back or winning a battle then we are in big trouble.

[Gordy M]

We will be absolutely nowhere near relegation this season.

[weecounty hibby]

We will be absolutely nowhere near relegation this season.

Agreed. I'm 100% with you on that