Women's Euro 2022

[Glory Lurker]

England 1-0 in the opening match against Austria. Not on easy street but Austria not looking likely to equalise.

Could be a huge tournament for England. They will be there or thereabouts at the end.

[flash]

The standard is very poor but it could be first match nerves.

[LewysGot2]

The standard is very poor but it could be first match nerves.
Very few of these players will have ever dealt with this pressure or played in front of so many people. A lot of nerves on show.

England will definitely be there or thereabouts along with France and Spain…

[hibee1875]

The standard is very poor but it could be first match nerves.

Sure the commentator said the Austrian league where many of them play is part time. Now they’re at a full old Trafford. I’m sure we’d all be nervous and off a bit

[Brightside]

Good game. England comfortable. Loads more to come from them. Spain lost their best player yesterday to an ACL. England have a real chance in this. Very strong bench.

[ekhibee]

I wish I could say otherwise, but I thought it was really **** to watch and the standard looked pretty poor as well. I won't be watching much of this, but I would be interested to know what it cost to get in.

[Pretty Boy]

I usually can't stand Paddy Power and their 'look at us' social media (I know that's the whole point of social media) but their stuff in the build up to this tournament has been brilliant. Women's football has taken huge strides forward in the last decade and it's going to get even bigger in the next few years. The 'no one cares' brigade are going to have to accept it isn't going anywhere and it becomes more popular and mainstream with every passing season.


Not a great game tonight imo but then the opening games at major tournaments rarely are. This tournament will be hugely competitive and England will be there or thereabouts.

[hibbydog]

I wish I could say otherwise, but I thought it was really **** to watch and the standard looked pretty poor as well. I won't be watching much of this, but I would be interested to know what it cost to get in.

Same

I try my best to be enthusiastic and balanced when watching women’s football. Always end up concluding that the standard is poor and I’d be better doing something else.

[Eyrie]

Same

I try my best to be enthusiastic and balanced when watching women’s football. Always end up concluding that the standard is poor and I’d be better doing something else.

Do you get the same feeling watching Hibs compared to (say) Liverpool?

Must admit I can't get enthusiastic about the Womens Euros, but then Scotland aren't playing.

[flash]

Good game. England comfortable. Loads more to come from them. Spain lost their best player yesterday to an ACL. England have a real chance in this. Very strong bench.

It was an awful game. The lack of basic skills doesn't bode well for the rest of the tournament.

[LewysGot2]

Do you get the same feeling watching Hibs compared to (say) Liverpool?

Must admit I can't get enthusiastic about the Womens Euros, but then Scotland aren't playing.

Spot on. Hibs play a different game to Liverpool or any other top top team. I just don't know why we bother watching Hibs 😉

It's a different pace and a different product but it hasn't got the advantage of mass participation or funding. It is definitely developing and can only continue to do so.

It's a positive step that there is increased coverage as it is what is needed to increase participation and,in turn, quality.

I enjoy watching Hibs women play when I've seen them. Wish watching Hibs was as consistent experience 🙈😆

[Pretty Boy]

Spot on. Hibs play a different game to Liverpool or any other top top team. I just don't know why we bother watching Hibs 😉

It's a different pace and a different product but it hasn't got the advantage of mass participation or funding. It is definitely developing and can only continue to do so.

It's a positive step that there is increased coverage as it is what is needed to increase participation and,in turn, quality.

I enjoy watching Hibs women play when I've seen them. Wish watching Hibs was as consistent experience 🙈😆

I'm not particularly proud to admit that I used to think that making jokes about women's football and constantly banging on about the standard was hilarious. It just makes no sense though. Serena Williams is an all time great tennis player. Of course a man ranked 50 or 60 something in the world would likely beat her, the physical advantages he enjoys makes that a near certainty. It doesn't detract from her achievements though, her athletic prowess, her dedication, her talent etc etc. Women's tennis and men's tennis are different, it's the same with football. I daresay players in the England team playing at Euros and World Cups and earning decent money playing for Manchester United, Barcelona, Bayern Munich and Chelsea won't be all that bothered that some guy who once managed a dozen goals in the Churches League and a trial with an East of Scotland team thinks they are crap.

Having a daughter definitely changed my attitude as well. She is only 4 but enjoys Hibs games, men and women, likes kicking a ball about and is bugging me to get her a team. That really leaves me with 3 choices. I could let some fragile masculinity shine through, dampen her enthusiasm and tell her football is a man's game and she should stick to netball. I could be a hypocrite and say it's ok for her to play football and support her but still sneer at other women playing the game and make the same tired old jokes and observations. Or I can support her and other women who want to play the game. Enjoy watching the game flourish and realise that women's football being a success compliments the men's game rather than threaten it.

No one should be forced to watch or rate women's football. Like anything else it's subjective. The need for some men, and it's always men, to announce they definitely don't care over and over again on social media is just tiresome though. As are the tropes about the standard, the 'jokes' about dishes and hoovering, the sexualisation of players, the misogynistic abuse and so on. For men who don't care they seem to feel a real need to make the same comments on every possible platform. Valid observed criticism is absolutely fine, that's expected and largely accepted in men's football and as women's football continues to professionalise and grow that scrutiny of performance has to come with it. Often it seems darker and deeper than that though and I think it comes back to the fragility and perceived threat I mentioned earlier.

[He's here!]

Spot on. Hibs play a different game to Liverpool or any other top top team. I just don't know why we bother watching Hibs 😉

It's a different pace and a different product but it hasn't got the advantage of mass participation or funding. It is definitely developing and can only continue to do so.

It's a positive step that there is increased coverage as it is what is needed to increase participation and,in turn, quality.

I enjoy watching Hibs women play when I've seen them. Wish watching Hibs was as consistent experience 🙈😆

I've been to several women's games in recent years and enjoyed them all. As you say it's a different product, different pace and vibe, and when you get used to that it becomes clear that the standard is a lot better than some claim. It's also a good place to take family and kids with a competitive but friendly atmosphere.

[7Hero]

I wish I could say otherwise, but I thought it was really **** to watch and the standard looked pretty poor as well. I won't be watching much of this, but I would be interested to know what it cost to get in.

id like to know how many people watch it ?

[Scouse Hibee]

It was an awful game. The lack of basic skills doesn't bode well for the rest of the tournament.

There was plenty of skill and talent on show, you must have watched a different game to me.

[Baader]

I'm not particularly proud to admit that I used to think that making jokes about women's football and constantly banging on about the standard was hilarious. It just makes no sense though. Serena Williams is an all time great tennis player. Of course a man ranked 50 or 60 something in the world would likely beat her, the physical advantages he enjoys makes that a near certainty. It doesn't detract from her achievements though, her athletic prowess, her dedication, her talent etc etc. Women's tennis and men's tennis are different, it's the same with football. I daresay players in the England team playing at Euros and World Cups and earning decent money playing for Manchester United, Barcelona, Bayern Munich and Chelsea won't be all that bothered that some guy who once managed a dozen goals in the Churches League and a trial with an East of Scotland team thinks they are crap.

Having a daughter definitely changed my attitude as well. She is only 4 but enjoys Hibs games, men and women, likes kicking a ball about and is bugging me to get her a team. That really leaves me with 3 choices. I could let some fragile masculinity shine through, dampen her enthusiasm and tell her football is a man's game and she should stick to netball. I could be a hypocrite and say it's ok for her to play football and support her but still sneer at other women playing the game and make the same tired old jokes and observations. Or I can support her and other women who want to play the game. Enjoy watching the game flourish and realise that women's football being a success compliments the men's game rather than threaten it.

No one should be forced to watch or rate women's football. Like anything else it's subjective. The need for some men, and it's always men, to announce they definitely don't care over and over again on social media is just tiresome though. As are the tropes about the standard, the 'jokes' about dishes and hoovering, the sexualisation of players, the misogynistic abuse and so on. For men who don't care they seem to feel a real need to make the same comments on every possible platform. Valid observed criticism is absolutely fine, that's expected and largely accepted in men's football and as women's football continues to professionalise and grow that scrutiny of performance has to come with it. Often it seems darker and deeper than that though and I think it comes back to the fragility and perceived threat I mentioned earlier.

Good post PB. There are the usual dinosaurs on here who regularly pipe up whenever the topic of women's football is on the agenda to have a swipe and a sneer.

I'm a fan of football. I love it. I'm fortunate enough to work in it. I don't watch my kids playing it comparing them to adults. I don't watch women playing it comparing them to men. I don't watch Hibs comparing them to Real Madrid. Just don't understand why people do, it's prohibitive and counterproductive to the sport itself. And the beauty of football is that it's essentially a simple game and probably the most inclusive of all sports. When my daughter plays I don't think it constructive to tell her what her brother would do. He is less a fan of it than she is.

Everyone on here would rightly defend Scottish fitba when it's sneered at and compared to lower and non league English level by ignorant clowns who just seem to want to belittle our game. Much the same I think.

[Danderhall Hibs]

id like to know how many people watch it ?

Pretty sure all the information you and the poster you’re replying to are requesting is either available now (attendance at the match and price to get in). The tv viewing figures will be published at some point as well.

[flash]

There was plenty of skill and talent on show, you must have watched a different game to me.

That Soccer Aid game with the ancient old pros and Z list celebrities was a higher standard.

[Brightside]

It was an awful game. The lack of basic skills doesn't bode well for the rest of the tournament.


I’m not measuring it against a top level mens game. I never would. England didn’t come out of 2nd gear and were comfortable. Exactly the type of first game you see in almost every tournament. Compared to any game you watch in the SWPL, it was a good game.

[JimBHibees]

The tournament will be fine and certainly England will do well. Last night wasn't great however the games will get better. Opening games are frequently tense affairs.

[Brightside]

That Soccer Aid game with the ancient old pros and Z list celebrities was a higher standard.

It’s not a mens game. If you continue to use mens football as your barometer then you simply won’t enjoy any of it. When I go and watch youth football I don’t think “this is **** compared to the Liverpool game at the weekend”.

[Brightside]

id like to know how many people watch it ?

70000. They sell tickets a bit quicker than Hibs men did for recent finals.

[Brightside]

Good post PB. There are the usual dinosaurs on here who regularly pipe up whenever the topic of women's football is on the agenda to have a swipe and a sneer.

I'm a fan of football. I love it. I'm fortunate enough to work in it. I don't watch my kids playing it comparing them to adults. I don't watch women playing it comparing them to men. I don't watch Hibs comparing them to Real Madrid. Just don't understand why people do, it's prohibitive and counterproductive to the sport itself. And the beauty of football is that it's essentially a simple game and probably the most inclusive of all sports. When my daughter plays I don't think it constructive to tell her what her brother would do. He is less a fan of it than she is.

Everyone on here would rightly defend Scottish fitba when it's sneered at and compared to lower and non league English level by ignorant clowns who just seem to want to belittle our game. Much the same I think.

Good post and exactly what I keep saying.

[Still Smiling]

id like to know how many people watch it ?

Just not into womens football.

[flash]

70000. They sell tickets a bit quicker than Hibs men did for recent finals.

That you now using women's fitba to take a pop at Hibs?

[Brightside]

That you now using women's fitba to take a pop at Hibs?

Nah using a sales stat to prove how popular the woman’s game is becoming. And that really appears to grind some mens gears.

[Bishop Hibee]

I’d watch Scotland if they’d qualified but I’m not that interested. I’ll probably watch the later stage games and of course I’m hoping Ingurlund don’t win.

[GreenCastle]

That Soccer Aid game with the ancient old pros and Z list celebrities was a higher standard.

What’s your point ?

Are you expecting Clyde to be a good standard this weekend?

Do we just avoid supporting Hibs because they aren’t as good as Liverpool ?

It’s football - it’s an inclusive sport - just enjoy it for what it is or don’t watch it.

I watch other sports as I like the sport. Gender etc doesn’t come into it.

Let’s face it Hibs players aren’t as good as Liverpool so why bother paying to watch them play or spending time posting on this message board as we all know it’s an inferior quality ?

[GreenCastle]

It was an awful game. The lack of basic skills doesn't bode well for the rest of the tournament.

Usually the better teams end up still in the tournament towards the end so surely the quality will improve ?

[flash]

What’s your point ?

Are you expecting Clyde to be a good standard this weekend?

Do we just avoid supporting Hibs because they aren’t as good as Liverpool ?

It’s football - it’s an inclusive sport - just enjoy it for what it is or don’t watch it.

I watch other sports as I like the sport. Gender etc doesn’t come into it.

Let’s face it Hibs players aren’t as good as Liverpool so why bother paying to watch them play or spending time posting on this message board as we all know it’s an inferior quality ?

No offence, despite the fact you have taken great offence with me, but I will continue to post my opinion about anything and everything that catches my eye.

It's the European Championships after all.

[nonshinyfinish]

I'm not particularly proud to admit that I used to think that making jokes about women's football and constantly banging on about the standard was hilarious. It just makes no sense though. Serena Williams is an all time great tennis player. Of course a man ranked 50 or 60 something in the world would likely beat her, the physical advantages he enjoys makes that a near certainty. It doesn't detract from her achievements though, her athletic prowess, her dedication, her talent etc etc. Women's tennis and men's tennis are different, it's the same with football. I daresay players in the England team playing at Euros and World Cups and earning decent money playing for Manchester United, Barcelona, Bayern Munich and Chelsea won't be all that bothered that some guy who once managed a dozen goals in the Churches League and a trial with an East of Scotland team thinks they are crap.

Having a daughter definitely changed my attitude as well. She is only 4 but enjoys Hibs games, men and women, likes kicking a ball about and is bugging me to get her a team. That really leaves me with 3 choices. I could let some fragile masculinity shine through, dampen her enthusiasm and tell her football is a man's game and she should stick to netball. I could be a hypocrite and say it's ok for her to play football and support her but still sneer at other women playing the game and make the same tired old jokes and observations. Or I can support her and other women who want to play the game. Enjoy watching the game flourish and realise that women's football being a success compliments the men's game rather than threaten it.

No one should be forced to watch or rate women's football. Like anything else it's subjective. The need for some men, and it's always men, to announce they definitely don't care over and over again on social media is just tiresome though. As are the tropes about the standard, the 'jokes' about dishes and hoovering, the sexualisation of players, the misogynistic abuse and so on. For men who don't care they seem to feel a real need to make the same comments on every possible platform. Valid observed criticism is absolutely fine, that's expected and largely accepted in men's football and as women's football continues to professionalise and grow that scrutiny of performance has to come with it. Often it seems darker and deeper than that though and I think it comes back to the fragility and perceived threat I mentioned earlier.

Cracking post.

[flash]

On reflection there's no need for me to be running my big mouth off about this. I apologise and withdraw.

[ekhibee]

There was plenty of skill and talent on show, you must have watched a different game to me.

I must've been watching a different game from you as well in that case, and we obviously have different I terpretations of what qualifies as skill too. All about opinions I suppose.

[Scouse Hibee]

That Soccer Aid game with the ancient old pros and Z list celebrities was a higher standard.

I disagree.

[Scouse Hibee]

I must've been watching a different game from you as well in that case, and we obviously have different I terpretations of what qualifies as skill too. All about opinions I suppose.

Whatever you think of women’s football, there was plenty of skill on show unless of course you just don’t want to admit it.

[flash]

I disagree.

No worries.

[Brightside]

I must've been watching a different game from you as well in that case, and we obviously have different I terpretations of what qualifies as skill too. All about opinions I suppose.

Again though, was that opinion based on other games of Women's football you have watched this season? I dont want to labour the point but its pointless rating it based on the mens game. No one is saying its as good as a top mens games. The women that play it dont even think that. For me it was a very typical first game in a Euro type competition.

[Shrekko]

Big showcase games seem to get really big crowds but every time I see a bread and butter WSL game on the tv the crowds are terrible and it's one of the best and most highly marketed leagues there is. Think it's too early to say it's becoming super popular, although it clearly does deserves proper funding etc.

I think the top level players are very skilful but those skills would be far better showcased on smaller pitches - smaller goals would also help the spectacle and make the games more entertaining. That's not me being a dinosaur or trying to demean it- ladies play on smaller cricket pitches, shorter golf courses etc etc, for totally obvious reasons so I just can't understand it.

[ekhibee]

Whatever you think of women’s football, there was plenty of skill on show unless of course you just don’t want to admit it.

As I said in my original post I wish I could have said otherwise, I certainly don't have any preconceived notions regarding the quality of women’s football generally but I don't agree with you that there was plenty of skill on show, however that's purely my opinion.

[GreenCastle]

Big showcase games seem to get really big crowds but every time I see a bread and butter WSL game on the tv the crowds are terrible and it's one of the best and most highly marketed leagues there is. Think it's too early to say it's becoming super popular, although it clearly does deserves proper funding etc.

I think the top level players are very skilful but those skills would be far better showcased on smaller pitches - smaller goals would also help the spectacle and make the games more entertaining. That's not me being a dinosaur or trying to demean it- ladies play on smaller cricket pitches, shorter golf courses etc etc, for totally obvious reasons so I just can't understand it.

Smaller goals for the guys who don’t make it pro and play Sunday league ?

Bigger goals for the guys who play 5s at corn exchange ?

I really don’t get folk who say this. I guess they think the keepers aren’t very good but surely you could argue the opposite in mens game saying not enough goals ?

The WSL is only 12 years old - like it or not girls and womens football is growing rapidly and will have as many players as boys in the near future. It will never be at the America levels but it will be a great opportunity for young girls who want to play sport at a young age and beyond.

[ekhibee]

Again though, was that opinion based on other games of Women's football you have watched this season? I dont want to labour the point but its pointless rating it based on the mens game. No one is saying its as good as a top mens games. The women that play it dont even think that. For me it was a very typical first game in a Euro type competition.
That's a very fair point, and you're very probably right to expect higher quality in future games whilst still not making comparisons with the mens game.

[Brightside]

Big showcase games seem to get really big crowds but every time I see a bread and butter WSL game on the tv the crowds are terrible and it's one of the best and most highly marketed leagues there is. Think it's too early to say it's becoming super popular, although it clearly does deserves proper funding etc.

I think the top level players are very skilful but those skills would be far better showcased on smaller pitches - smaller goals would also help the spectacle and make the games more entertaining. That's not me being a dinosaur or trying to demean it- ladies play on smaller cricket pitches, shorter golf courses etc etc, for totally obvious reasons so I just can't understand it.


Chelsea get attendances every week that would rival some teams in our league, and im not talking about the one offs at the Mens ground. 3000 to 5000 at Kingsmeadow is common now.

Making the pitch smaller is just daft, how can making the game tighter make it better??

Oh and the golf example is to level the playing field V men. Women can play off the Yellow and Whites if they like when playing with other women. There is a girl at Craigielaw that i imagine would outdrive everyone on this board. ;-)

[Paulie Walnuts]

Smaller goals for the guys who don’t make it pro and play Sunday league ?

Bigger goals for the guys who play 5s at corn exchange ?

I really don’t get folk who say this. I guess they think the keepers aren’t very good but surely you could argue the opposite in mens game saying not enough goals ?

The WSL is only 12 years old - like it or not girls and womens football is growing rapidly and will have as many players as boys in the near future. It will never be at the America levels but it will be a great opportunity for young girls who want to play sport at a young age and beyond.

Not a chance will girls and womens football have as many players as boys/mens football in the near future.

[Gordy M]

It’s not a mens game. If you continue to use mens football as your barometer then you simply won’t enjoy any of it. When I go and watch youth football I don’t think “this is **** compared to the Liverpool game at the weekend”.

To be fair to some posters, its the media that have been pushing the narrative that the sports are comparable. Two weeks ago the BBC(i think) had an article running that Jimmy Greaves scoring record had been broken as the top English scorer.....it was Ellen White. A great acheivement but it was the media who compared it to Jimmy Greaves......not the fans etc. That doesnt help imo.

[Brightside]

Not a chance will girls and womens football have as many players as boys/mens football in the near future.

Yep not a chance. Would take all the 100s of years of holding women back before they get anywhere near it. It wasnt that long ago when it was still banned in this country.

[Just_Jimmy]

I was at Old Trafford last night. I've also got tickets for the quarter final at Leigh. As I've made clear on here before, I'm a big supporter of the woman's game and living in Manchester, I go to Utd Women's games.

I enjoy the fact its a family atmosphere. There's a connection to the players and club because it doesn't feel warped like the mens game has become. The players love the game, love the experiences and appreciate the fans that go.

The atmosphere last night was superb. I wasn't bothered who won, being Scottish... but I know every player for England so its easy enough to enjoy games.

68,000 inside OT. Loads of families, loads of Dad's with daughters or younger girls. Loads of families together. It was loud and they supported England for 90 mins. I didn't hear any negativity or abusive language towards players for mistakes at all.

England were decent enough. Not at their best but then how often to the favourites come out the blocks flying at tournaments?

Kirbys pass for the goal was superb and Hemp put some good balls into the box. On another night, White would have scored a couple. Earps had a good full stretch save in the second half. There was plenty skill on show.

My issue with women's football is this... why do some men feel the need to constantly trash it? They don't watch it or like it so rather than just not comment on it or leave it alone, they have to tell us all how it's rubbish and they refuse to watch it... but they apparently know its rubbish without watching.

I don't watch Cricket, I don't enjoy it, I've tried to watch it. There's loads of mens football leagues I've never watched or I can't take to for various reasons. I just don't watch. The fact it goes on without my support is great and no one is inconvenienced by that either way.

We don't compare Hibs to Man City - it's a completely different level and product. We get pissed off when English fans slag the Scottish game...

So why do some men constantly have to tell everyone how ***** the womens game is? Why is it constantly compared to the mens game? It's a product in its own right.

Last night was a superb occasion and the foundation is there for this tournament to be a real game changer for the womens game - particularly in exposure. It's fantastic to see loads of kids see that football is inclusive and for everyone. I hope it take the womens game to the next level it really has the potential to do so.

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[He's here!]

I was at Old Trafford last night. I've also got tickets for the quarter final at Leigh. As I've made clear on here before, I'm a big supporter of the woman's game and living in Manchester, I go to Utd Women's games.

I enjoy the fact its a family atmosphere. There's a connection to the players and club because it doesn't feel warped like the mens game has become. The players love the game, love the experiences and appreciate the fans that go.

The atmosphere last night was superb. I wasn't bothered who won, being Scottish... but I know every player for England so its easy enough to enjoy games.

68,000 inside OT. Loads of families, loads of Dad's with daughters or younger girls. Loads of families together. It was loud and they supported England for 90 mins. I didn't hear any negativity or abusive language towards players for mistakes at all.

England were decent enough. Not at their best but then how often to the favourites come out the blocks flying at tournaments?

Kirbys pass for the goal was superb and Hemp put some good balls into the box. On another night, White would have scored a couple. Earps had a good full stretch save in the second half. There was plenty skill on show.

My issue with women's football is this... why do some men feel the need to constantly trash it? They don't watch it or like it so rather than just not comment on it or leave it alone, they have to tell us all how it's rubbish and they refuse to watch it... but they apparently know its rubbish without watching.

I don't watch Cricket, I don't enjoy it, I've tried to watch it. There's loads of mens football leagues I've never watched or I can't take to for various reasons. I just don't watch. The fact it goes on without my support is great and no one is inconvenienced by that either way.

We don't compare Hibs to Man City - it's a completely different level and product. We get pissed off when English fans slag the Scottish game...

So why do some men constantly have to tell everyone how ***** the womens game is? Why is it constantly compared to the mens game? It's a product in its own right.

Last night was a superb occasion and the foundation is there for this tournament to be a real game changer for the womens game - particularly in exposure. It's fantastic to see loads of kids see that football is inclusive and for everyone. I hope it take the womens game to the next level it really has the potential to do so.

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Interesting post and while last night was obviously a much bigger and better-attended game than the women's games I've been to in Scotland it chimes with my own thoughts. I think the key phrase you use is that it's a product in its own right. The only women's games I've been to have involved either Hibs or Scotland but the more often I go the more I actually prefer aspects of it to the men's game. My view might be skewed to some extent by some of the mind-numbing performances Hibs men have served up of late, but there's a freshness, an inclusivity and just a general enjoyability about the women's game. While I obviously like to see the Hibs or Scotland women's teams win, it's also not a mood-spoiling, negative experience when they don't.

[Pretty Boy]

Interesting post and while last night was obviously a much bigger and better-attended game than the women's games I've been to in Scotland it chimes with my own thoughts. I think the key phrase you use is that it's a product in its own right. The only women's games I've been to have involved either Hibs or Scotland but the more often I go the more I actually prefer aspects of it to the men's game. My view might be skewed to some extent by some of the mind-numbing performances Hibs men have served up of late, but there's a freshness, an inclusivity and just a general enjoyability about the women's game. While I obviously like to see the Hibs or Scotland women's teams win, it's also not a mood-spoiling, negative experience when they don't.

I agree with large parts of this.

I like the women's games for a number of reasons. One I mentioned on another thread is the time set aside for the players to interact with the fans, sign autographs, pose for pictures etc. Of course this happens in the men's game too but it's every week with the women and you can see the kids responding to it. I also like the fact that for many of the players at the lower levels of the game, which being honest is where Hibs are, it's still a game played for the love of it. I don't mean that as a condescending, 'they are trying their best' type comment. I mean that the game hasn't been corrupted by money. I watch the (mens) Champions League from time to time and yes it's the best playing the best but you know half the players would happily swap shirts and kiss another badge at HT if the price was right. I don't enjoy the CL, I find it repetitive, boring and fantasy football made flesh so I rarely watch it. There are numerous threads on here a season about it and it's forever discussed on social media. I just ignore it because frankly no one cares that I don't care about it and I don't need validation of my viewpoint. I also like that there isn't that sometimes toxic scrutiny that can envelope the mens game. As fans that's partly on us I suppose.

I remember when I was at school there was one girl in my year group who played football and her opportunities were so limited. Now everywhere I look there are girls and womens teams popping up. It's not on a par with the mens game in terms of participation yet but it's night and day from 10 or 15 years ago and it continues to grow apace. Most of the big guns in Edinburgh and the Lothians youth football have girls teams now and the kids summer camps see loads of girls taking part now (again when I was young it was all boys). I love that. I love seeing young girls running around with the names of players from the womens team on their strips as well as or rather than the mens, I love seeing 95K packed into Camp Nou or 70K into Old Trafford for womens games.

It's a different atmosphere, a different pace and intensity but increased exposure and coverage is only going to inspire future generations of girls to get involved in the game. As I said above womens football being a success is something to be embraced rather than feel threatened by.

[Paulie Walnuts]

To be fair to some posters, its the media that have been pushing the narrative that the sports are comparable. Two weeks ago the BBC(i think) had an article running that Jimmy Greaves scoring record had been broken as the top English scorer.....it was Ellen White. A great acheivement but it was the media who compared it to Jimmy Greaves......not the fans etc. That doesnt help imo.

That’s a really good point to be fair.

Similarly, there was an article somewhere about how someone was the first Chelsea player to wear number 26 since John Terry. The headline didn’t indicate who it was or what team it was for. It was a Chelsea womens player. Whilst it may be true, it’s a bit of a stretch to suggest they’re the same thing.

Likewise, the last season or two have seen the womens Premier League down in England placed higher in the list of leagues on the Sky Sports Score Centre. You now have to scroll past it to get the Scottish leagues despite the fact the Scottish Premiership is a product with infinitely more interest in it. It’s all small things, but there’s certainly a push from the media to treat womens football the same as mens and in some ways, to completely overhype it. With that in mind, it’s not all that much a surprise that people will then compare it to the mens.

If there’s going to be subtle suggestions that it’s comparable to mens football or in Sky Sports case that it’s more important (for want of a better way to describe it) than Scottish football/European football then people will look for evidence of that.

[Shrekko]

Chelsea get attendances every week that would rival some teams in our league, and im not talking about the one offs at the Mens ground. 3000 to 5000 at Kingsmeadow is common now.

Making the pitch smaller is just daft, how can making the game tighter make it better??

Oh and the golf example is to level the playing field V men. Women can play off the Yellow and Whites if they like when playing with other women. There is a girl at Craigielaw that i imagine would outdrive everyone on this board. ;-)

Ok, so 1 team, (the most successful) gets 3-5k. That's kind of backing up what i said.

I'm in no way anti-women's football but can't see how it's "daft" to suggest smaller pitches, much as I knew I'd get someone saying that. I'm not talking about 5 a side size, just something that reflects the slight physical disadvantages (for want of a better word) that woman have to men in terms of football and something that showcases the great skill and touch a lot of female players undoubtedly have.

Take your point on golf (although i'm guessing a lot of woman will prefer the ladies tees), but you've totally ignored the cricket thing which is just in line with what I'm suggesting for football.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Ok, so 1 team, (the most successful) gets 3-5k. That's kind of backing up what i said.

I'm in no way anti-women's football but can't see how it's "daft" to suggest smaller pitches, much as I knew I'd get someone saying that. I'm not talking about 5 a side size, just something that reflects the slight physical disadvantages (for want of a better word) that woman have to men in terms of football and something that showcases the great skill and touch a lot of female players undoubtedly have.

Take your point on golf (although i'm guessing a lot of woman will prefer the ladies tees), but you've totally ignored the cricket thing which is just in line with what I'm suggesting for football.

Hope Solo who is one of the most succesful female footballers of all time suggested smaller pitches and goals as well so it’s not just ‘dinosaur men’ suggesting it and it’s not a daft suggestion in the slightest.

[Shrekko]

Smaller goals for the guys who don’t make it pro and play Sunday league ?

Bigger goals for the guys who play 5s at corn exchange ?

I really don’t get folk who say this. I guess they think the keepers aren’t very good but surely you could argue the opposite in mens game saying not enough goals ?

The WSL is only 12 years old - like it or not girls and womens football is growing rapidly and will have as many players as boys in the near future. It will never be at the America levels but it will be a great opportunity for young girls who want to play sport at a young age and beyond.

First points you've made are absolutely nuts - it has nothing to do with "levels". It's been rightly stated that women's football should be seen as a different product and it has nothing to so with standards of play - that's you suggesting this, not me!

As for the "like it or not" comment - what is the need for that? Who wouldn't want, or would object to participation and interest in girls/women's football to keep growing? Can we not debate certain things without being accused of not liking it?

[Pretty Boy]

Ok, so 1 team, (the most successful) gets 3-5k. That's kind of backing up what i said.

I'm in no way anti-women's football but can't see how it's "daft" to suggest smaller pitches, much as I knew I'd get someone saying that. I'm not talking about 5 a side size, just something that reflects the slight physical disadvantages (for want of a better word) that woman have to men in terms of football and something that showcases the great skill and touch a lot of female players undoubtedly have.

Take your point on golf (although i'm guessing a lot of woman will prefer the ladies tees), but you've totally ignored the cricket thing which is just in line with what I'm suggesting for football.

Given the average height of a man born in Europe in 1930 was between 1.69 and 1.74cm and one born in 1980 was 1.76 and 1.82 is there not an argument that men's football hasn't evolved to reflect this and we should be playing on bigger pitches with bigger goals? There wasn't many keepers the size of Courtois or Buffon in the 1940s. The average number of goals per game has been on a steady decline for decades. the huge change in the size and shape of men in that time whilst the goals and pitch stays the same must play a part in that.

[JimBHibees]

That’s a really good point to be fair.

Similarly, there was an article somewhere about how someone was the first Chelsea player to wear number 26 since John Terry. The headline didn’t indicate who it was or what team it was for. It was a Chelsea womens player. Whilst it may be true, it’s a bit of a stretch to suggest they’re the same thing.

Likewise, the last season or two have seen the womens Premier League down in England placed higher in the list of leagues on the Sky Sports Score Centre. You now have to scroll past it to get the Scottish leagues despite the fact the Scottish Premiership is a product with infinitely more interest in it. It’s all small things, but there’s certainly a push from the media to treat womens football the same as mens and in some ways, to completely overhype it. With that in mind, it’s not all that much a surprise that people will then compare it to the mens

I have watched a few women's games on tv and enjoyed them and think the rise in participation is fantastic and totally healthy both in a social interaction level and general health perspective. In saying that it would be interesting to know how much the WSL gets in comparison to the SPFL from Sky.

[Shrekko]

Given the average height of a man born in Europe in 1930 was between 1.69 and 1.74cm and one born in 1980 was 1.76 and 1.82 is there not an argument that men's football hasn't evolved to reflect this and we should be playing on bigger pitches with bigger goals? There wasn't many keepers the size of Courtois or Buffon in the 1940s. The average number of goals per game has been on a steady decline for decades.

Yes, maybe goals in the men's game should be bigger than they are at the moment.

Not sure if you're trying to ridicule my suggestion (bearing in mind how touchy people are getting) but actually on this basis there is absolutely no way anyone can argue with the notion that men's goals should be bigger than women's goals seeing as the average size of men is bigger than the average size of women.

[Pretty Boy]

Yes, maybe goals in the men's game should be bigger than they are at the moment.

Not sure if you're trying to ridicule my suggestion (bearing in mind how touchy people are getting) but actually on this basis there is absolutely no way anyone can argue with the notion that men's goals should be bigger than women's goals seeing as the average size of men is bigger than the average size of women.

Not ridiculing at all. It's a point I have made before.

Given that men are, as an average, completely different specimens from what we were in the 19th century it seems bizarre the basic equipment used to play the game has remained largely unchanged.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Not ridiculing at all. It's a point I have made before.

Given that men are, as an average, completely different specimens from what we were in the 19th century it seems bizarre the basic equipment used to play the game has remained largely unchanged.

Other than the goals near enough everything has changed massively surely?

The ball, boots, strips, pitches are all absolutely worlds apart from those of yesteryear. Unless we’re talking about removing boots, strips, pitches or balls completely or adding in a completely new item of equipment then i’m not sure football could have done much more changing.

You’ve then got changes in rules such as the pass back rule, the offside rule, substitutes have changed numerous times, the amount of points for a win, goal average changing to goal differences, goal line technology, VAR.

Mens football is constantly evolving I’d say. There’s nothing wrong with womens football doing the same but doing it in a way that suits them. It doesn’t need to mirror the mens game just like it doesn’t in lots of other sports like tennis, cricket, basketball and golf (to an extent anyway).

[hibby rae]

I’d watch Scotland if they’d qualified but I’m not that interested. I’ll probably watch the later stage games and of course I’m hoping Ingurlund don’t win.

I'm still quite quite peeved Scotland didn't qualify, and my interest this time has suffered accordingly.

If we had I would have definitely went down for it, and it's ***** that it's on our doorstep and we aren't involved. Especially as the WC is in Australia and New Zealand.

[hibby rae]

Given the average height of a man born in Europe in 1930 was between 1.69 and 1.74cm and one born in 1980 was 1.76 and 1.82 is there not an argument that men's football hasn't evolved to reflect this and we should be playing on bigger pitches with bigger goals? There wasn't many keepers the size of Courtois or Buffon in the 1940s. The average number of goals per game has been on a steady decline for decades. the huge change in the size and shape of men in that time whilst the goals and pitch stays the same must play a part in that.

Agree totally, and it's a point I've made in the past quite a few times when I hear the 'goals are too big' argument.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Agree totally, and it's a point I've made in the past quite a few times when I hear the 'goals are too big' argument.

Thing is, there’s 14cm of a difference between the average man and the average woman. There’s a 7cm difference between men of yesteryear and now.

Whilst the argument that mens football should potentially make the goals bigger as men have got bigger could have some merit (and I wouldn’t be all that surprised to see it happen over the next 50 years or so), it doesn’t have nearly as much merit as changing the goals in the womens game as the difference in the numbers we’re talking about in both situations are wildly different.

[Brightside]

Ok, so 1 team, (the most successful) gets 3-5k. That's kind of backing up what i said.

I'm in no way anti-women's football but can't see how it's "daft" to suggest smaller pitches, much as I knew I'd get someone saying that. I'm not talking about 5 a side size, just something that reflects the slight physical disadvantages (for want of a better word) that woman have to men in terms of football and something that showcases the great skill and touch a lot of female players undoubtedly have.

Take your point on golf (although i'm guessing a lot of woman will prefer the ladies tees), but you've totally ignored the cricket thing which is just in line with what I'm suggesting for football.

I’ve no idea about cricket tbh. Never watch it. I’d imagine they bring the 6 line in a bit? As women may struggle to hit it that far to the same level as men? There isn’t a women at the top level of football though that can’t kick the ball from one wing to the other. So I don’t see any reason to change the pitch size. The goal size thing is interesting but the positive of that is it should bring in more goals. Something we all want in football. If women aren’t asking to change the pitch why should we have any say?

[Brightside]

Hope Solo who is one of the most succesful female footballers of all time suggested smaller pitches and goals as well so it’s not just ‘dinosaur men’ suggesting it and it’s not a daft suggestion in the slightest.

No she didn’t. She took huge offence when asked the question again and again on the eve of every tournament. And her answer said we may as well make all the pitches smaller too if we are to accept that women can’t manage playing on the same size pitch. She called out the blatant sexism of the argument. Women who run womens football should decide the parameters of their own game.

[Shrekko]

I’ve no idea about cricket tbh. Never watch it. I’d imagine they bring the 6 line in a bit? As women may struggle to hit it that far to the same level as men? There isn’t a women at the top level of football though that can’t kick the ball from one wing to the other. So I don’t see any reason to change the pitch size. The goal size thing is interesting but the positive of that is it should bring in more goals. Something we all want in football. If women aren’t asking to change the pitch why should we have any say?

Not asking to have a say, and it's really sad that this could even be considered "sexism".

Lots of sport are evolving to adapt to what the public find more watchable, and to me it would make it better. I'm happy if people like it as it is now though.

[Brightside]

Not asking to have a say, and it's really sad that this could even be considered "sexism".

Lots of sport are evolving to adapt to what the public find more watchable, and to me it would make it better. I'm happy if people like it as it is now though.

Which part of making a pitch smaller make womens football more watchable. That's my question. I just can;t think of anything around pitch dimensions that would make any difference.

[Paulie Walnuts]

No she didn’t. She took huge offence when asked the question again and again on the eve of every tournament. And her answer said we may as well make all the pitches smaller too if we are to accept that women can’t manage playing on the same size pitch. She called out the blatant sexism of the argument. Women who run womens football should decide the parameters of their own game.

She definitely did say it but given her views on it I can only presume it was said in jest. I remember listening to it but I wasn’t paying all that much attention to have realised the context.

[Lancs Harp]

Usually the better teams end up still in the tournament towards the end so surely the quality will improve ?

Tournament football. The only thing that matters about the group stage is getting out of it.

[Brightside]

Norway tonight should be decent. All great athletes.

[Lago]

Expected N. Ireland to be in a green strip, but look like Germany 🤔

[Brightside]

Could be a truck load. Body shape of the Ireland DM was awful for that pass.

[Just_Jimmy]

Norway are a good side but Northern Ireland look really poor so far.

Engen Norway number 7 that players for Barcelona is a very good player. I wanted Man Utd to sign her when she was at Wolfsburg prior to moving to Barca but as usual they missed the boat.

Hederberg Norway 14 is the lyon player who's won the ballon dor. She's also excellent. They've got a few players that play in England for various teams too.

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[Brightside]

Norway are a good side but Northern Ireland look really poor so far.

Engen Norway number 7 that players for Barcelona is a very good player. I wanted Man Utd to sign her when she was at Wolfsburg prior to moving to Barca but as usual they missed the boat.

Hederberg Norway 14 is the lyon player who's won the ballon dor. She's also excellent. They've got a few players that play in England for various teams too.

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Yeh Ireland will be the whipping team tbh. Going to end up camped in the whole game.

[Just_Jimmy]

Yeh Ireland will be the whipping team tbh. Going to end up camped in the whole game.It's the one thing that's disappointing, in that only 16 teams qualify, it shouldn't be that anyone is the whipping team.

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[hibby rae]

Thing is, there’s 14cm of a difference between the average man and the average woman. There’s a 7cm difference between men of yesteryear and now.

Whilst the argument that mens football should potentially make the goals bigger as men have got bigger could have some merit (and I wouldn’t be all that surprised to see it happen over the next 50 years or so), it doesn’t have nearly as much merit as changing the goals in the womens game as the difference in the numbers we’re talking about in both situations are wildly different.

So in that case, any decrease in the size of women's goals, should at the same time see an increase of men's goals by 50% of the reduction level.

Or maybe we should just stop trying to compare both games?

For one thing a top tier keeper in the women's game is unlikely to have had the same access, opportunities, resources and journey as their male counterpart.

[Since452]

The atmosphere sounds like a Soccer Aid game.

[hibby rae]

The atmosphere sounds like a Soccer Aid game.

Women's games tend to be more family affairs, less tribalism, certainly less pissed folk etc. so that would explain the difference. Although they are still great atmospheres.

[Just_Jimmy]

The atmosphere sounds like a Soccer Aid game.Family friendly, loads of kids and a lot less poisonous.

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[Tyler Durden]

Norway have played some excellent stuff tonight.

Noticeable in the 2 games so far there has barely been one bad challenge. Thought Kenny Shiels might have had Northern Ireland being a bit more cynical to try and level the playing field!

[Paulie Walnuts]

So in that case, any decrease in the size of women's goals, should at the same time see an increase of men's goals by 50% of the reduction level.

Or maybe we should just stop trying to compare both games?

For one thing a top tier keeper in the women's game is unlikely to have had the same access, opportunities, resources and journey as their male counterpart.

You could argue that, absolutely. Or you could argue that the time to change the goals in the mens goals will be when the goalies are far too difficult to beat much in the same way the womens goals could potentially be changed right now as the goalies are really to easy to beat.

The goal dimensions can’t change constantly, it’s not feasible. Men probably aren’t at the stage yet where the size of the goals aren’t suitable but they may be in 50 years or so. As it stands we still see goals in the mens game from all sorts of positions and distances with incredible skill and power from the attacking players. When that dries up because the goalies are too big for the goals then it’ll be time to consider a change.

It’s a lot easier to argue that woman are currently at that stage. Some of the goals you see going in are simply because the goalies have next to no chance of reaching it rather than because of some incredible feat of skill or power.

[The dalmeny]

The atmosphere sounds like a Soccer Aid game.

what did you expect?

[hibby rae]

You could argue that, absolutely. Or you could argue that the time to change the goals in the mens goals will be when the goalies are far too difficult to beat much in the same way the womens goals could potentially be changed right now as the goalies are really to easy to beat.

The goal dimensions can’t change constantly, it’s not feasible. Men probably aren’t at the stage yet where the size of the goals aren’t suitable but they may be in 50 years or so. As it stands we still see goals in the mens game from all sorts of positions and distances with incredible skill and power from the attacking players. When that dries up because the goalies are too big for the goals then it’ll be time to consider a change.

It’s a lot easier to argue that woman are currently at that stage. Some of the goals you see going in are simply because the goalies have next to no chance of reaching it rather than because of some incredible feat of skill or power.

The goal dimensions have never changed, and men's sizes have over a 150 year period. So if it has to change for anyone, it should be them really.

Women's football was massive one hundred years ago, and I'm willing to bet there wasn't a suggestion to change sizes for them then.

Andy Goram was only 5'9', how often did he lose a goal and folk said it was because he wasn't tall enough to get it? Yet to many, he's the best keeper to ever play for the club and country.

[LewysGot2]

The goal dimensions have never changed, and men's sizes have over a 150 year period. So if it has to change for anyone, it should be them really.

Women's football was massive one hundred years ago, and I'm willing to bet there wasn't a suggestion to change sizes for them then.

Andy Goram was only 5'9', how often did he lose a goal and folk said it was because he wasn't tall enough to get it? Yet to many, he's the best keeper to ever play for the club and country.

Goram wasn't massive but he wasn't 5 ft 9.

He was 1.81m. That's 71 inches - or 5ft 11.

[Brightside]

The atmosphere sounds like a Soccer Aid game.

Needs a bit of sectarian singing perhaps. Don’t worry the latest old firm games had that with only a few hundred there. I’m constantly amazed of the reasoning for not enjoying it. Just don’t watch it. 👍

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

The atmosphere sounds like a Soccer Aid game.

That’s my main issue (for want of a better word) with woman’s football, it’s all family friendly and sanitised. Not my thing, but do understand people enjoying it. I’m not interested but I’m not going to sit here and slag it off, hope everyone that wants to enjoys the tournament and hopefully England are pumped out ASAP.


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[Brightside]

You could argue that, absolutely. Or you could argue that the time to change the goals in the mens goals will be when the goalies are far too difficult to beat much in the same way the womens goals could potentially be changed right now as the goalies are really to easy to beat.

The goal dimensions can’t change constantly, it’s not feasible. Men probably aren’t at the stage yet where the size of the goals aren’t suitable but they may be in 50 years or so. As it stands we still see goals in the mens game from all sorts of positions and distances with incredible skill and power from the attacking players. When that dries up because the goalies are too big for the goals then it’ll be time to consider a change.

It’s a lot easier to argue that woman are currently at that stage. Some of the goals you see going in are simply because the goalies have next to no chance of reaching it rather than because of some incredible feat of skill or power.

It’s not for you tbh. Stick to slating the means team.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

It’s not for you tbh. Stick to slating the means team.

Why? Because he doesn’t think woman’s football is absolutely perfect? Away and *****, folk are allowed to have an opinion on things


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[Paulie Walnuts]

It’s not for you tbh. Stick to slating the means team.

You really don’t like people having any sort of opinion on anything do you?

You have an absolute melt down any time anyone has an opinion that isn’t aligned to yours.

Also, what’s this thread got to do with the mens team? I’m presuming you’re meaning Hibs mens team but you’re the only one that’s posted anything that could be construed as negative towards Hibs on this thread so I’m really not sure what your point is..

[Paulie Walnuts]

The goal dimensions have never changed, and men's sizes have over a 150 year period. So if it has to change for anyone, it should be them really.

Women's football was massive one hundred years ago, and I'm willing to bet there wasn't a suggestion to change sizes for them then.

Andy Goram was only 5'9', how often did he lose a goal and folk said it was because he wasn't tall enough to get it? Yet to many, he's the best keeper to ever play for the club and country.

The goal dimensions haven’t changed. They don’t need to currently change for the men though as they’re clearly suitable for the men still. Goals don’t go in simply because the goalie can’t reach the top corners in the mens game. Likewise goals don’t not go in because the goalies are so big that they can reach every area of the goal at a canter.

Mens football is also the most popular sport in the world. That would suggest that generally speaking people are more than happy with the way it is just now.

That isn’t the case in womens football though. A lot of goals go in simply because the goalies are too small to get to it and can’t cover the goals. It’s also nowhere near as popular as a lot of mens sports. With that in mind, that would suggest some changes may need to be made, much the same as they have been in other sports - the likes of tennis is different for women at the grand slams and it’s one of the most popular womens sports in the world played at a very high standard.

Making slight alterations to potentially improve the product doesn’t need to be big and bad (or hilariously as suggested, sexist :faf:)

And Andy Goram wasn’t 5ft9.

[Brightside]

Why? Because he doesn’t think woman’s football is absolutely perfect? Away and *****, folk are allowed to have an opinion on things


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Not when it’s sexist claptrap with no foundation.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Not when it’s sexist claptrap with no foundation.

That’s an extremely serious and damning accusation right there. Not something that should be taken lightly if you’re going to be making public accusations of the like.

Any evidence of this sexism?

[Brightside]

That’s an extremely serious and damning accusation right there. Not one to be taken lightly if you’re going to be making public accusations of the like.

Any evidence of this?

I apologise. Let’s just agree on uneducated claptrap and leave it at that. You made many points that I’ve pointed are factually wrong. But it’s totally pointless my continuing the debate as it just keeps it going and does neither of us any favours. Men do not get to decide on what women do anymore. Btw. They aren’t ladies tees. That’s another outdated sexist term. Most decent women golfers don’t play off them.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I apologise. Let’s just agree on uneducated claptrap and leave it at that. You made many points that I’ve pointed are factually wrong. But it’s totally pointless my continuing the debate as it just keeps it going and does neither of us any favours. Men do not get to decide on what women do anymore. Btw. They aren’t ladies tees. That’s another outdated sexist term. Most decent women golfers don’t play off them.

Nobody has suggested men should get to decide what women do. It’s simply a discussion as to whether smaller goals would improve the game. I’m not sure why you’re so desperate to take offence at a discussion on things that could potentially be an improvement to the womens game. Nobody is demanding these changes are made, nobody is demanding their voice is heard, nobody is suggesting their opinion should be more important than a womens.

Also, I’ve never mentioned ladies tees. I would say I’m not sure why you’ve mentioned it but your follow up statement about it being sexist makes it clear what you’re trying to suggest so you can ram your apology. After being asked for evidence of your previous baseless claim you’ve shat it, apologised because you have none and then attempted to fabricate some in the very same post.

[Brightside]

Nobody has suggested men should get to decide what women do. It’s simply a discussion as to whether smaller goals would improve the game. I’m not sure why you’re so desperate to take offence at a discussion on things that could potentially be an improvement to the womens game. Nobody is demanding these changes are made, nobody is demanding their voice is heard, nobody is suggesting their opinion should be more important than a womens.

Also, I’ve never mentioned ladies tees. I would say I’m not sure why you’ve mentioned it but your follow up statement about it being sexist makes it clear what you’re trying to suggest so you can ram your apology. After being asked for evidence of your previous baseless claim you’ve shat it, apologised because you have none and then attempted to fabricate some in your next post.

You edited the post to remove the reference to womens golf and tennis. I assume as you realised you were making a mistake again. Any difference between womens and mens sport Is due to rules imposed by men many years ago. All of it is sexism. Slowly and surely these are being reversed. We as men don’t get a say in how women play football. We don’t get to decide how it can be more entertaining for us.

[Paulie Walnuts]

You edited the post to remove the reference to womens golf and tennis. I assume as you realised you were making a mistake again. Any difference between womens and mens sport Is due to rules imposed by men many years ago. All of it is sexism. Slowly and surely these are being reversed. We as men don’t get a say in how women play football. We don’t get to decide how it can be more entertaining for us.

The post made no reference to ladies tees. Again, you’re completely fabricating things.

And again, nobody is saying men should get a say in it. Nobody is asking to decide anything. People simply have an opinion. That’s it. It’s not a sinister, sexist plot by rich white men to keep women down. It’s literally just a discussion as to whether the game would be better with certain changes.

Anyway, I’m not going to be discussing this any further with yourself as your attempts to denounce anyone you don’t agree with as sexist are absolutely pitiful and downright shameful.

[Brightside]

The post made no reference to ladies tees. Again, you’re completely fabricating things.

And again, nobody is saying we should get a say in it. Nobody is asking to decide anything. People simply have an opinion. That’s it. It’s not a sinister, sexist plot by rich white men to keep women down. It’s literally just a discussion as to whether the game would be better with certain changes.

Anyway, I’m not going to be discussing this any further with yourself as your attempts to denounce anyone you don’t agree with as sexist are absolutely pitiful and downright shameful.

You did edit it. Your original post talked about women's golf and women's tennis. And both examples are due to outdated sexism.

[Gordy M]

You did edit it. Your original post talked about women's golf and women's tennis. And both examples are due to outdated sexism.

In the mixed golf tournament in Sweden in the Euro golf, the men and women do play off different tees.....so that they both have roughly the same shots in to the green.

[Brightside]

In the mixed golf tournament in Sweden in the Euro golf, the men and women do play off different tees.....so that they both have roughly the same shots in to the green.

Yeh I know that. 👍. The point was that in womens tournaments they do not play off the old fashioned “ladies” tees. If your course is still calling them ladies tees they should be politely asked to just call them the Red tees or whatever colour they are.

[Glory Lurker]

Thank goodness that there's a couple of games on tonight. We might get a few posts about the actual tournament!

[Lago]

Yeh I know that. 👍. The point was that in womens tournaments they do not play off the old fashioned “ladies” tees. If your course is still calling them ladies tees they should be politely asked to just call them the Red tees or whatever colour they are.
Tees will be getting their pronouns next 😅

[oneone73]

Tees will be getting their pronouns next 😅

Tee-he?

[Lago]

Tee-he?
10 out of 10 👌

[ronaldo7]

Following on from the discussions about whether the women should have smaller goals/pitches. It would have a dramatic effect on the grassroots game, which is currently the fastest growing area of our club. Most pitches are played on by both genders, and most have fixed goals. The pitches could be reduced in size with new markings, but I don't think theirs an appetite for change. From the coaches I've spoken with, they all want to improve the players in their current settings, rather than reduce the pitch or goals.

I can see the argument on the other side though with Basketballs being smaller in the women's game, a shorter net in volleyball, Hurdles at the Olympics are 9 inches shorter. The list goes on.

We looked at increasing the size of the goals in 1996, but decided against it. We should be driven by the women's game and what they want.

[norhfc]

Get your money on the Norwegians 👍🇳🇴

[erin go bragh]

With more and more female clubs turning professional, surely just a matter of time before a women gets a contract with a football club , ie Spfl or premiership and even sooner for a lower league team .

[H18 SFR]

With more and more female clubs turning professional, surely just a matter of time before a women gets a contract with a football club , ie Spfl or premiership and even sooner for a lower league team .

Can’t ever see it. I was involved many, many years ago in a match between the Scottish School boy squad and the SWNT before the women played a qualifier. The match was an annihilation. Even Julie Fleeting couldn’t get a sniff of the ball. Can’t see it ever happening.

[Brightside]

With more and more female clubs turning professional, surely just a matter of time before a women gets a contract with a football club , ie Spfl or premiership and even sooner for a lower league team .

Will never happen and no reason for it ever to happen.

[gbhibby]

With more and more female clubs turning professional, surely just a matter of time before a women gets a contract with a football club , ie Spfl or premiership and even sooner for a lower league team .
Can see it happening if the technical ability is there. There are male footballers who are slightly built and not that tall. In 5 to 10 years the conditioning of women players will have improved.

[Since452]

MK Dons stadium is a cracker. Seems strange that they built such a large stadium for a new club with no history.

[Brightside]

What a header that is.

[ronaldo7]

What a header that is.

Nobody marking. In fairness to her she was positive in going for the ball.

[04Sauzee]

MK Dons stadium is a cracker. Seems strange that they built such a large stadium for a new club with no history.

Has anybody from here been 😁

[LancashireHibby]

MK Dons stadium is a cracker. Seems strange that they built such a large stadium for a new club with no history.
Basically a real life Field of Dreams

[Glory Lurker]

Germany doing what Germany does. Early days, but easily best performance so far.

[Itsnoteasy]

Will never happen and no reason for it ever to happen.

100%

[ian cruise]

Tees will be getting their pronouns next 😅

I mean, if I was being pedantic Tees, like everything else in life, already has a pronoun.

[Lago]

I mean, if I was being pedantic Tees, like everything else in life, already has a pronoun.
Perhaps just a tad pedantic 🤔

[LancashireHibby]

I worked at the Portugal v Switzerland game today. Fantastic atmosphere, great to be a part of. We’ve got the Dutch on Wednesday, complete with fan march, so that should be interesting!

[hibsbollah]

Caught the end of Sweden Holland 1-1. Enjoyed it, The Dutch goalie was very good.

[marinello59]

Caught the end of Sweden Holland 1-1. Enjoyed it, The Dutch goalie was very good.

A cracking gamę, loved it.

[Brightside]

Italy are being demolished by France. Expected a lot better from Italy.

[Lancs Harp]

Italy are being demolished by France. Expected a lot better from Italy.

It depends are where you are in womens football evolution. France have invested Italy clearly havent. Just because a country is traditioally good at football (mens) doent mean they will at the womens game especially if they fong invest

[marinello59]

Italy are being demolished by France. Expected a lot better from Italy.

Why? The countries who have traditionally excelled at the mens game don’t coincide with the top women’s nations and why should they?

[Brightside]

Why? The countries who have traditionally excelled at the mens game don’t coincide with the top women’s nations and why should they?

Italy are a strong womens side now. That first half was far from expected.

[marinello59]

Italy are a strong womens side now. That first half was far from expected.

Actually you are right there. :greengrin

[Brightside]

Actually you are right there. :greengrin

I watch a wee bit of womens football. 😂. Italy have improved hugely in the last few years including draws with Spain and Sweden. They’ve been awful tonight though

[Just_Jimmy]

I worked at the Portugal v Switzerland game today. Fantastic atmosphere, great to be a part of. We’ve got the Dutch on Wednesday, complete with fan march, so that should be interesting!I've got tickets for the Quarter final at Leigh. Hopefully the Dutch win that group because its the winner of that group verses the runner up of Frances group.

What's your role if you don't mind me asking?

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[Betty Boop]

Austria leading against Northern Ireland . Dean Shiels in the dug out.

[flash]

You wouldn’t stop and watch this match in the links.

[Hiber-nation]

You wouldn’t stop and watch this match in the links.

Aye the best bit was the half time analysis. I keep trying but I'm not getting women's football at all.

[hibsbollah]

Aye the best bit was the half time analysis. I keep trying but I'm not getting women's football at all.

The last two games I watched were very good. Norway England in an hour are both much stronger outfits than NornIron and Austria.

[Hiber-nation]

The last two games I watched were very good. Norway England in an hour are both much stronger outfits than NornIron and Austria.

I'll give it a go. I just can't get that Scotland defensive fiasco out of my mind in that game against Argentina (?) in the World Cup. Haven't watched a women's game since until the Ireland game the other day but that didn't last very long.

[LancashireHibby]

I've got tickets for the Quarter final at Leigh. Hopefully the Dutch win that group because its the winner of that group verses the runner up of Frances group.

What's your role if you don't mind me asking?

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Ticket office manager (albeit at this stage it’s mainly a customer service role given UEFA control all the ticketing via the app, though of course I’ve been involved in all kinds of elements of the planning for three years now!)

[Just_Jimmy]

Ticket office manager (albeit at this stage it’s mainly a customer service role given UEFA control all the ticketing via the app, though of course I’ve been involved in all kinds of elements of the planning for three years now!)At Leigh SV? I'll bob in and say hi when I'm up for a Utd Women's game some time.



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[Aldo]

O dear that’s a blatant dive from Whyte! Pen given.


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[LewysGot2]

Not even gone to VAR.

Shocking stuff of Kane proportions

[Hiber-nation]

Textbook Harry Kane dive. Embarrassing.

[DaveF]

Good to see that the standard of refereeing here is as bad as the SPL. What a terrible dive and even worse decision.

I'm assuming there is no VAR?

[LewysGot2]

Good to see that the standard of refereeing here is as bad as the SPL. What a terrible dive and even worse decision.

I'm assuming there is no VAR?

There IS VAR. Go figure

[Lago]

:aok:
Textbook Harry Kane dive. Embarrassing.

[LewysGot2]

VAR now given the 2nd goal for England

[Jonnyboy]

Second goal correctly given but that penalty jeezo

[hibsbollah]

Horrific penalty decision. Spoiled the whole game.

[Aldo]

If the Whyte challenge was a pen her challenge was a foul!


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[Betty Boop]

A hammering for Norway

[LewysGot2]

The penalty was a sin but the gulf between the teams this half has been significant.

Not a good result for NI. It effectively sends them home with Norway to play Austria in the last game.

[Tyler Durden]

Norway have excellent players behind the striker but seems their defenders and central midfield just can’t cope with the intensity of Englands play.

Could still see Norway getting a goal though

[Betty Boop]

5 now too easy for England

[LewysGot2]

Six

[Tyler Durden]

You’ve got to admire the clinical finishing - some brilliant build up play.

Norway are totally shell shocked

[Since452]

That goalkeeping 😂

[Tyler Durden]

That goalkeeping 😂

Don’t think the keeper had much chance with any of the England goals 🤷🏼*♂️

[Mon Dieu4]

7-0 up and the commentary team still want a Norwegian player sent off for banging into someone

[Betty Boop]

8

[HIBS NUTS]

Horrific penalty decision. Spoiled the whole game.

THE worse thing was the horrific commentary, no mention that it could possibly be a dive.

[Mon Dieu4]

Is the England badge on their strip holographic? It's really distracting

[HIBS NUTS]

8
The commentators have to at least mention that the goalkeeping is shocking, it can’t all be fabulous.

[He's here!]

Dodgy pen for sure but hats off to England. That was a terrific performance.

[Nakedmanoncrack]

To be fair to some posters, its the media that have been pushing the narrative that the sports are comparable. Two weeks ago the BBC(i think) had an article running that Jimmy Greaves scoring record had been broken as the top English scorer.....it was Ellen White. A great acheivement but it was the media who compared it to Jimmy Greaves......not the fans etc. That doesnt help imo.

:agree:

''Ellen White took her tally to 52 goals, just one behind Wayne Rooney's all-time England record''

Is how her goals tonight are being presented, its utter nonsense that does a disservise to the women's game, which is an entirely different sport that deserves better than being hyped by a false equivalance which only encourage comparison with the mens game & leaves it open to ridicule.

[Lago]

The commentators have to at least mention that the goalkeeping is shocking, it can’t all be fabulous.
Was a bit iffy

[Just_Jimmy]

England were excellent but it also coincided with a terrible Norway performance.

The co commentator is Rachel brown finnis who is a former keeper. Her input has been awful all tournament. Real lack of insight or anything to highlight anything that someone watching for the first time may have missed.

It bugs me because it's a real chance for the BBC to promote the woman's game and someone like Emma Hayes would have been excellent and helped add real value.



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[hibsbollah]

England were excellent but it also coincided with a terrible Norway performance.

The co commentator is Rachel brown finnis who is a former keeper. Her input has been awful all tournament. Real lack of insight or anything to highlight anything that someone watching for the first time may have missed.

It bugs me because it's a real chance for the BBC to promote the woman's game and someone like Emma Hayes would have been excellent and helped add real value.



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Sounds like a Packy Bonner issue. It's a shame, especially when there are good ex keeper pundits out there like Richard Lee or Rob Green that can impart knowledge about the position.

[Brightside]

:agree:

''Ellen White took her tally to 52 goals, just one behind Wayne Rooney's all-time England record''

Is how her goals tonight are being presented, its utter nonsense that does a disservise to the women's game, which is an entirely different sport that deserves better than being hyped by a false equivalance which only encourage comparison with the mens game & leaves it open to ridicule.

It will be an all time record for “England” though. Rooney will still have the mens record.

[flash]

It will be an all time record for “England” though. Rooney will still have the mens record.

The two are incomparable. Rooney scored his goals past keepers who can reach the crossbar and dive properly.

[Brightside]

The two are incomparable. Rooney scored his goals past keepers who can reach the crossbar and dive properly.

I’m not comparing them. And no one is saying Rooney isn’t a better football than Ellen white. It’s perhaps lazy journalism to not point that out all the time but it hardly matters. Rooney isn’t sitting at home shouting at the telly about it. Oh and the goalies can touch the bar. 😂

[hibby rae]

It will be an all time record for “England” though. Rooney will still have the mens record.

Yeah, it's like when Andy Murray has corrected people stating he was the first to do something and he points out he's only the first man to do it. Don't see an issue with pointing out who the all-time one is.

And yes, perhaps a player like Rooney has faced tougher opposition, if we were comparing (although I don't think that's what the media are doing). But they also probably had more support and opportunities getting to that position, so it goes both ways.

[Just_Jimmy]

Sounds like a Packy Bonner issue. It's a shame, especially when there are good ex keeper pundits out there like Richard Lee or Rob Green that can impart knowledge about the position.Its not about the goalkeeping position. Its about knowledge and understanding of the woman's game that goes far beyond "she plays for chelsea".

Maybe the two you named could bring that, I don't know how interested they are in woman's football. I'm asking for someone with a good understanding of the game who can express that to add value for viewers.

I would say I think the studio guests have been good on the whole, maybe not them all but there's been a few I've been impressed with. Good to see Jonas Eidevall last night.

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[LewysGot2]

Its not about the goalkeeping position. Its about knowledge and understanding of the woman's game that goes far beyond "she plays for chelsea".

Maybe the two you named could bring that, I don't know how interested they are in woman's football. I'm asking for someone with a good understanding of the game who can express that to add value for viewers.

I would say I think the studio guests have been good on the whole, maybe not them all but there's been a few I've been impressed with. Good to see Jonas Eidevall last night.

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Scott Booth was another excellent addition to the commentary recently for the same reasons.

[Danderhall Hibs]

The two are incomparable. Rooney scored his goals past keepers who can reach the crossbar and dive properly.

Think he scored a load against San Marino and the Faroe Islands as has Harry Kane.

[Hibernian Verse]

Think he scored a load against San Marino and the Faroe Islands as has Harry Kane.

Kanes goals;

4 v Albania
1 v Andorra
4 v Bulgaria
1 v Colombia
1 v Croatia
2 v Czech Republic
1 v Denmark
2 v France
3 v Germany
1 v Hungary
2 v Kosovo
2 v Lithuania
2 v Malta
4 v Montenegro
1 v Nigeria
3 v Panama
2 v Poland
5 v San Marino
1 v Scotland
1 v Slovenia
2 v Switzerland
2 v Tunisia
1 v Turkey
2 v Ukraine

7 goals against European top 10 out of 50.

[hibsbollah]

Its not about the goalkeeping position. Its about knowledge and understanding of the woman's game that goes far beyond "she plays for chelsea".

Maybe the two you named could bring that, I don't know how interested they are in woman's football. I'm asking for someone with a good understanding of the game who can express that to add value for viewers.

I would say I think the studio guests have been good on the whole, maybe not them all but there's been a few I've been impressed with. Good to see Jonas Eidevall last night.

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I get your point now. Alex Scott and yon female ex manager who knows her tactics and who gets a lot of good gigs but who’s name escapes me are the obvious candidates to do but they’ve both got loads of work elsewhere I guess.

Edit-Emma Hayes.

[Brightside]

I get your point now. Alex Scott and yon female ex manager who knows her tactics and who gets a lot of good gigs but who’s name escapes me are the obvious candidates to do but they’ve both got loads of work elsewhere I guess.

Edit-Emma Hayes.

Emma Hayes is for me the best in football....male or female. Some of the male co-comms are absolutely awful, as are some of the females. If you are **** you are ****, it shouldnt be about the sex.

[Just_Jimmy]

Scott Booth was another excellent addition to the commentary recently for the same reasons.Agreed. Excellent work at Glasgow City, not as good at Birmingham. I thought he'd have replaced Kerr for Scotland tbh.

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[He's here!]

Kanes goals;

4 v Albania
1 v Andorra
4 v Bulgaria
1 v Colombia
1 v Croatia
2 v Czech Republic
1 v Denmark
2 v France
3 v Germany
1 v Hungary
2 v Kosovo
2 v Lithuania
2 v Malta
4 v Montenegro
1 v Nigeria
3 v Panama
2 v Poland
5 v San Marino
1 v Scotland
1 v Slovenia
2 v Switzerland
2 v Tunisia
1 v Turkey
2 v Ukraine

7 goals against European top 10 out of 50.

How does that in any way undermine his record? Pretty sure England are ranked among the world's top 5 sides so more often than not they'll be facing teams ranked below them.

[Just_Jimmy]

I get your point now. Alex Scott and yon female ex manager who knows her tactics and who gets a lot of good gigs but who’s name escapes me are the obvious candidates to do but they’ve both got loads of work elsewhere I guess.

Edit-Emma Hayes.Yeah it was Emma Hayes I mentioned in the original post. She's superb just talking football, but her knowledge would be a massive plus to have her on commentary for the euros. She's probably preparing pre season for chelsea however.

There's loads of very good people with strong connections to the woman's game. I'm disappointed they've given RBF the gig because she's very poor.



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[Just_Jimmy]

Emma Hayes is for me the best in football....male or female. Some of the male co-comms are absolutely awful, as are some of the females. If you are **** you are ****, it shouldnt be about the sex.Agreed. It should be people who can highlight and provide inside and knowledge of the woman's game.

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[Glory Lurker]

2-0 Germany against Spain at half time.

[Glory Lurker]

Non-application of VAR shocker. If they're going to kill the game by having it, they should at least use it when it's justified!

[Aldo]

Non-application of VAR shocker. If they're going to kill the game by having it, they should at least use it when it's justified!

Just saw that incident. Straight red too but what is the point of VAR when it’s not used.


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[marinello59]

A great comebackiem from Portugal here, 2-2 after being 2-0 down And more goals to come I think. I’m loving this tournament. :greengrin

[Hibby Bairn]

Can we move this from Hibs Main Forum? It's not even as if Scotland are involved. No Hibs connection at all.

[wallpaperman]

Can we move this from Hibs Main Forum? It's not even as if Scotland are involved. No Hibs connection at all.

Poor trolling effort. Really pathetic.

[marinello59]

Can we move this from Hibs Main Forum? It's not even as if Scotland are involved. No Hibs connection at all.

It’s football. So belongs right here.

[Glory Lurker]

VAR at it again. Justice done in a way at the end, apart from the Belgian getting sent off. It really is a blight on the game.

[cabbageandribs1875]

i didn't think it was a penalty at first but then after watching the first replay from behind the goals i thought it was indeed a penalty

[JeMeSouviens]

The miss from the rebound. Iwelumo-esque :greengrin

[cabbageandribs1875]

Poor trolling effort. Really pathetic.


bang on :agree:

[He's here!]

Just saw England's opening goal against NI. Any player in the world would have been happy with that.

[Brightside]

Some great football.

[Glory Lurker]

Just saw England's opening goal against NI. Any player in the world would have been happy with that.

Norway's goal was Weir in to Keith Keith Keith in the semi. Opposition wasn't set out the same, and header didn't go straight in the middle, but I'm not sure I've seen a goal like that since September 1991!

[danhibees1875]

Just saw England's opening goal against NI. Any player in the world would have been happy with that.

I've just seen a clip of a fantastic turn and composed finish - was that the opener that you're referring to?

Incredible first touch. :agree:

[Just_Jimmy]

I've just seen a clip of a fantastic turn and composed finish - was that the opener that you're referring to?

Incredible first touch. :agree:Fran Kirby. It was a superb finish. She was England's best player in the opening game and the pass set up the goal, although Mead did well.

England are flying, they're excellent and they have strength in depth. The key now is they have a proper coach, the best (arguably along with Emma Hayes) in the woman's game, certainly at international level. Neville raised the profile by taking the job and has reasonable success, I felt by the end his lack of coaching ability was actually England's weak spot.

I think they'll win it.

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[LewysGot2]

Can we move this from Hibs Main Forum? It's not even as if Scotland are involved. No Hibs connection at all.

Don't click on it. Simples.

[Glory Lurker]

Denmark and Spain slugging it out but neither team will have a chance against England.

[Glory Lurker]

Denmark and Spain slugging it out but neither team will have a chance against England.

Proving I know nothing about fitba. Spain winning 1-0 and well worth it.

[Pretty Boy]

England equalise.

Good game this.

[Since90+2]

This is pretty good game to be honest.

[Pretty Boy]

2-1 England.

Fantastic goal.

[marinello59]

This is pretty good game to be honest.

Wish I’d watched all of it now. I’m hoping England go through, a very good team to watch.

[LewysGot2]

Wishing I'd stayed home to watch this now!

[Just_Jimmy]

England are winning it. As I said at the start. They're excellent and they have guts. They've got quality all over the park and throughout the squad and they finally have a coach who is top tier.

I really enjoy watching them.

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[marinello59]

England are winning it. As I said at the start. They're excellent and they have guts. They've got quality all over the park and throughout the squad and they finally have a coach who is top tier.

I really enjoy watching them.

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:agree:

[Dr What If?]

10 years ago I watched the womens world cup (think it was on C4 back then). It was ok but the quality was pretty poor. Japan and the USA were all right but put them up against any semi pro mens team and you would assume they would loose. The poor teams that year really were poor, Sunday league level.

This is night and day from back then. Any one of the QFs this year would have destroyed USA 2012. They are better in pretty much every department, fitter, stronger, skill, tactics, pace.....just everything.....they are and they look like professional footballers.

Spain or England tonight, I wouldn't fancy Hibernian blokes against either of them.

[Scottie]

If tonight couldn't get any worse after watching that Hibs performance I'm hearing 'It's coming home' from my next door neighbours now. :grr::brickwall

[Pretty Boy]

Plenty heart from England tonight. Second best for about 60 minutes and it took a superb save by Earps from a misplaced cross to keep them from being 2 down.

They hung in there though and in the end were worth their win.

Some really good football on display and the stadium was bouncing after the winner and at FT.

[Haymaker]

10 years ago I watched the womens world cup (think it was on C4 back then). It was ok but the quality was pretty poor. Japan and the USA were all right but put them up against any semi pro mens team and you would assume they would loose. The poor teams that year really were poor, Sunday league level.

This is night and day from back then. Any one of the QFs this year would have destroyed USA 2012. They are better in pretty much every department, fitter, stronger, skill, tactics, pace.....just everything.....they are and they look like professional footballers.

Spain or England tonight, I wouldn't fancy Hibernian blokes against either of them.

In January 2020 I watched PDA 2006 girls - the best 2006 girls team in the USA, played 32, won 32, 216 for, 19 against of I remember correctly - get the absolute run around by the Barcelona 2006 girls in a tournament in Florida. You can find the game on YouTube.

For those who know what I do, I have been saying for years that the US is about to be utterly ****ed by the European girls and South Americans. The US women's team has always benefitted from the fact that they had superior numbers playing. More playing = more to chose from. This gap is rapidly closing.

The US also has (in both men's and womens) from the "athlete" issue - where the biggest, strongest and fastest are "superior" and these players are almost always selected at youth level first - I have lost numerous players because they were rejected for being top small/slow etc, for example one of my all time best players didn't make a team (she had to move on and play a "higher level") as she was 5 seconds slow on a mile run. 5 seconds. Now without me going on a rant about that alone, she was a phenomenal CB, a leader, calm on the ball and she just quit the game.

I have argued with so many people in the US that while athletic ability is great, it HAS to be coupled with a deep understanding of the game and most importantly a culture of love of the game.

The US women's team is about to be eclipsed by Europe and South America by good athletes that are raised in a culture of football football football, players that will be selected for their ability (for the most part) over their ability to run a mile in 7.30 at 14 years old.

[LewysGot2]

The English FA are seeing the results from investment in the game down south and the very real increase in participation. Increased participation means more to choose from and a higher chance of producing talent.The result of their side doing well this time will be further participation and investment and things will progress yet again.

In Scotland we're now predictably in the grip of the Ugly Sisters after years of Glasgow City and to a lesser extent Hibs having success - it's only heading one way now and the impact may not be altogether positive. Our best players will still head south and abroad but our domestic game is looking sadly all too familiar.

[Lago]

Germany v Austria is turning out to be a decent game.

[LewysGot2]

Germany v Austria is turning out to be a decent game.

You can feel the media team willing Austria to score - the German's clearly worry them more. 😉

[Lago]

You can feel the media team willing Austria to score - the German's clearly worry them more. 😉
True, also it seems to be a male free zone pundit wise, I wonder what the reaction would be if no female pundits were involved on football focus, final score or MOTD, be an outcry.

[LewysGot2]

True, also it seems to be a male free zone pundit wise, I wonder what the reaction would be if no female pundits were involved on football focus, final score or MOTD, be an outcry.

It happens often - Match of the Day regularly all male?

Think today is the only time it's been all female to be honest.

[hibby rae]

True, also it seems to be a male free zone pundit wise, I wonder what the reaction would be if no female pundits were involved on football focus, final score or MOTD, be an outcry.

Perhaps the male pundits aren't knowledgeable enough about the women's game compared to the female pundits?

[RIP]

Very impressed with the professional approach to fitness shown by the match officials. As a lad I remember the impressive physique of Tiny Wharton and then the much fitter Bobby Davidson and Willie Young. But this is a linesman who even in her forties seems to have no difficulty keeping up with play.

https://instagram.com/manuelanicolosi_1?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

[Baader]

True, also it seems to be a male free zone pundit wise, I wonder what the reaction would be if no female pundits were involved on football focus, final score or MOTD, be an outcry.

Can only assume you don't watch Motd too often!

[Brightside]

True, also it seems to be a male free zone pundit wise, I wonder what the reaction would be if no female pundits were involved on football focus, final score or MOTD, be an outcry.

That’s a bit of a Sir Alan Sugar tweet. And he got slaughtered on it by many male pundits.

[Just_Jimmy]

True, also it seems to be a male free zone pundit wise, I wonder what the reaction would be if no female pundits were involved on football focus, final score or MOTD, be an outcry.It was covered further up the thread. No one is arsed...

Try and find another stick to beat what has been a superb tournament and advert for the woman's game.

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[Paulie Walnuts]

Very impressed with the professional approach to fitness shown by the match officials. As a lad I remember the impressive physique of Tiny Wharton and then the much fitter Bobby Davidson and Willie Young. But this is a linesman who even in her forties seems to have no difficulty keeping up with play.

https://instagram.com/manuelanicolosi_1?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

It’s not female officials but I remember seeing a picture of Bobby Maddens Apple Watch after a game. He’d ran 11km or so over the course of the match.

To put that into context, a player playing the full 90 mins will probably run 12-14km. A player from the 70s I think I read somewhere ran about 6km per game. Impressive levels of fitness, just terrible at everything else!

[Glory Lurker]

Every single pundit I've seen, including those whose first language isn't English, would be a big upgrade on most of the Sportsound team.

[Lago]

It was covered further up the thread. No one is arsed...

Try and find another stick to beat what has been a superb tournament and advert for the woman's game.

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[Still Smiling]

Will be interesting to see the viewing figures, I’m not one of them. Don’t have any axe to grind it just doesn’t do it for me.

[GreenCastle]

Will be interesting to see the viewing figures, I’m not one of them. Don’t have any axe to grind it just doesn’t do it for me.

They are breaking all the records for viewing figures and attendances.

The game is growing and will continue to do so.

Think if England do win the tournament it will be a massive boost to womens and girls football in the U.K.

[Lago]

Will be interesting to see the viewing figures, I’m not one of them. Don’t have any axe to grind it just doesn’t do it for me.
I was a bit like that but I've been watching as there was nothing else on sports wise, consequently I caught the England v Spain game, it was superb and just kept watching from then on, I can see England going all the way and winning the competition.

[GreenCastle]

I was a bit like that but I've been watching as there was nothing else on sports wise, consequently I caught the England v Spain game, it was superb and just kept watching from then on, I can see England going all the way and winning the competition.

England v Spain was a really good game.

The England coach did a fantastic job making subs and taking off big name players.

I would encourage people to watch the final few games as there will be some decent games.

[LancashireHibby]

Really enjoyed the game tonight. Swedish support about 1,000 down compared to last Sunday but they didn’t stop all night, absolutely fantastic atmosphere. Been a pleasure to work these Euros in my small hometown.

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[itslegaltender]

England v Spain was a really good game.

The England coach did a fantastic job making subs and taking off big name players.

I would encourage people to watch the final few games as there will be some decent games.

Just let us know when England gets beat.

[heretoday]

Important that it's on free to air. One of the few sports left to the beeb. It's captured the family viewers.
I can't tell one ponytail from another but what the hell.

[Lago]

Just let us know when England gets beat.
Typical, anyone but England, sad individual.

[hibby rae]

Typical, anyone but England, sad individual.

Why's it sad?


Do you feel the same if someone expresses the same sentiment towards Rangers?

[Lago]

Why's it sad?


Do you feel the same if someone expresses the same sentiment towards Rangers?
Rangers have absolutely nothing to do with it, it's the women's Euros, Scotland aren't even in the competition yet people can't just enjoy the football but have to start the crap of anyone but England, even Andy Murray left that nonsense behind years ago, but if it rocks your boat and makes you happy I'm the last one to rain on your parade.

[GreenCastle]

Just let us know when England gets beat.

Why? Surely you have internet and can check yourself.

England have a pretty good chance of winning it.

The English FA have done much more to invest into the womens game than the Scottish FA. It’s relative but they have spent a large amount which seems tk be paying off as the game keeps growing down south. It’s growing in Scotland but Rangers and Celtic are now making it a boring 2 horse race like the mens game. Glasgow city obviously finished runners up last season but over time we will see Celtic and Rangers win more trophies.

[marinello59]

Just let us know when England gets beat.

I hope that doesn’t happen, I’d love to see them win the competition. This England team is very easy to like.

[Lago]

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I hope that doesn’t happen, I’d love to see them win the competition. This England team is very easy to like.

[Since452]

Will be interesting to see the viewing figures, I’m not one of them. Don’t have any axe to grind it just doesn’t do it for me.

I've watched it on and off. The football has been so bad I've not lasted long. The game last night between Sweden and Belgium was so bad it was funny to watch.

[Malthibby]

Typical, anyone but England, sad individual.

Yeah, terrible.
I personally want Germany to win it & I don't mind if they beat England or the Swedes do for them first.
An England win will just give the anti-foreigner Brexiteers down there an excuse to start hollering Land of Hope & Glory/Jerusalem. Not for me thanks.

[hibby rae]

Rangers have absolutely nothing to do with it, it's the women's Euros, Scotland aren't even in the competition yet people can't just enjoy the football but have to start the crap of anyone but England, even Andy Murray left that nonsense behind years ago, but if it rocks your boat and makes you happy I'm the last one to rain on your parade.

Ranger was obviously an example I chose to ask whether you always feel that way towards rival football teams, because there's really no difference whether it's club of country. So I'll assume you were gutted they didn't win the Europa League last season.

It's irrelevant whether it's a female or male competition, and Scotland tend to not be at either anyway, but I still never want England to win. Because we have the longest rivalry in world football and it least adds some form of stake in the competition.

I like your last line about not raining on anyone's parade but yet called the poster sad for expressing their own personal viewpoint.

[mickeythehibbee]

I hope that doesn’t happen, I’d love to see them win the competition. This England team is very easy to like.

Completely agree, though to be fair I was also anyone but England when they were managed by Phil Neville! I am now anyone but inter miani

[Just_Jimmy]

I've watched it on and off. The football has been so bad I've not lasted long. The game last night between Sweden and Belgium was so bad it was funny to watch.At least you've tried it.

Now you'll know you don't like it and like other sports you don't like, you'll just give it a miss. That's perfectly fair.

They football is no where near as bad as you make out however.



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[Lago]

Ranger was obviously an example I chose to ask whether you always feel that way towards rival football teams, because there's really no difference whether it's club of country. So I'll assume you were gutted they didn't win the Europa League last season.

It's irrelevant whether it's a female or male competition, and Scotland tend to not be at either anyway, but I still never want England to win. Because we have the longest rivalry in world football and it least adds some form of stake in the competition.

I like your last line about not raining on anyone's parade but yet called the poster sad for expressing their own personal viewpoint.
Your Rangers question was quite simply deflection.
As far as you are concerned I'm more than happy to rain on your parade💦 and, like a number of others on here will look forward to a jolly good England performance. 😂

[Lago]

At least you've tried it.

Now you'll know you don't like it and like other sports you don't like, you'll just give it a miss. That's perfectly fair.

They football is no where near as bad as you make out however.



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It's actually a pretty high standard and entertaining.

[He's here!]

I hope that doesn’t happen, I’d love to see them win the competition. This England team is very easy to like.

Agreed. Have watched a couple of their games and they've got some really fine players in the team and a great spirit about them. I'd watch them ahead of Hibs these days.

[GreenCastle]

France v Netherlands decent game currently live with 20 mins to go - winners play Germany in semi final.

[Since90+2]

The standard of the woman's game has increased exponentially.

I guess that's what happens when you have more teams investing in the ladies teams and providing sports science ect.

[LewysGot2]

The standard of the woman's game has increased exponentially.

I guess that's what happens when you have more teams investing in the ladies teams and providing sports science ect.

It’s increasing participation levels that is the biggy. The more youngsters taking up the game the more chance of developing the game. That’s why the great job the English FA have done of promoting the game, bidding for these championships and selling them to the BBC has been really important. They deserve a lot of credit for their role. Things will continue to progress and it will be really interesting to see how far things go.

[Glory Lurker]

Do France want to win this???

[LaMotta]

After the last 2 games I think its safe to say there is no requirement to make the goals smaller as has been suggested by some (not a dig, just an observation).

[Lago]

After the last 2 games I think its safe to say there is no requirement to make the goals smaller as has been suggested by some (not a dig, just an observation).
I've thought it might happen but having seen some of the saves tonight can't see it as an issue now.

[LaMotta]

I've thought it might happen but having seen some of the saves tonight can't see it as an issue now.

Some good goalkeeping tbf.

[LewysGot2]

1-0 Les Bleus

[Lago]

1-0 Les Bleus
Well over due

[Just_Jimmy]

England v Germany will be the final.

England are the best team in it.

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[LewysGot2]

Interesting documentary on Sarina Wiegman, Dutch manager of the English national side on Sky Sports just now.

Hadn't realised she'd been a coach at Sparta Rotterdam men's team.

[LewysGot2]

England leading 1-0 in the first semifinal v Sweden. Well taken goal. Sweden are competing but England have more quality in the final third. Swedes can't afford to go 2 behind