2022 Wimbledon

[Sir David Gray]

One of my favourite two weeks of the year is almost here and the excitement is building after the draw has now been made.

Despite the controversy surrounding this year's tournament before a ball has been served, due to the All England Club's decision to ban Russian and Belarusian players from entering this year's tournament, play starts on Monday and I can't wait despite missing large parts of it due to work.

Andy Murray faces Australian James Duckworth in round one which is a match he should win. However he is in a tough quarter as he potentially faces former semi-finalist John Isner in round two, youngster Jannik Sinner awaits him in round three and then potentially a last 16 tie v Carlos Alcaraz.

He should get through round one (if he stays fit) but I'd suggest it's a tough draw overall for Murray.

A quarter final v Novak Djokovic would probably be in store if he gets that far.

9th seed Cam Norrie faces Pablo Andujar in round one and Queen's champion Matteo Berrettini plays Cristian Garin.

Rafael Nadal has made it and he opens up against Francisco Cerundolo.

One man who hasn't made it is Roger Federer. He has played in every Wimbledon event since making his debut in 1999 but he hasn't played since last year's Wimbledon and considering he will be 41 in a few weeks' time there must be a doubt as to whether we have seen him at SW19 for the final time.

On the women's side top seed Iga Swiatek is looking to extend her winning run which is currently at 35 matches. She plays her opening match v qualifier Jana Fett.

Although Federer won't be involved another Wimbledon legend has made it. Serena Williams also hasn't played since last year's Wimbledon but she has declared herself fit and will play Harmony Tan in round one.

Emma Raducanu will play Alison Van Uytvanck in her first round.

No ranking points will be at stake this year after the ATP and WTA punished Wimbledon for their aforementioned ban of players from Russia and Belarus but I'm sure we'll be in for a cracking fortnight.

[Stairway 2 7]

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The break up was described as cordial

So what they gonna call 40-40 now?

[Stairway 2 7]

So what they gonna call 40-40 now?

Ginger in Glasgow I think

[hibeg]

Not viewed the draws yet but will go for either Hurkacz or Berrettini to win it this year.

Can’t see Swiatek keeping her run going as grass not her favourite surface, although she won junior Wimbledon a few years ago.
Kvitova or the Brazilian girl maybe ?

[Sir David Gray]

Not viewed the draws yet but will go for either Hurkacz or Berrettini to win it this year.

Can’t see Swiatek keeping her run going as grass not her favourite surface, although she won junior Wimbledon a few years ago.
Kvitova or the Brazilian girl maybe ?

Berretini's potential route;

Round 1 - Cristian Garin
(44th in the world - best Wimbledon performance last 16)

Round 2 - Marc-Andrea Hüsler
(104th in the world - best Wimbledon performance main draw debut)

Round 3 - Jenson Brooksby
(34th in the world - best Wimbledon performance main draw debut)

Last 16 - Diego Schwartzman
(15th in the world - best Wimbledon performance 3rd round)

Quarter finals - Stefanos Tsitsipas
(6th in the world - best Wimbledon performance last 16)

Semi finals - Rafael Nadal
(4th in the world - best Wimbledon performance winner)

Final - Novak Djokovic
(3rd in the world - best Wimbledon performance winner)

Berrettini really shouldn't have any problems getting into the semis and I would love to see him playing Nadal. I would say he would be a great bet for the tournament.

Hurkacz's potential route;

Round 1 - Alejandro Davidovich Fokina
(38th in the world - best Wimbledon performance 1st round)

Round 2 - Jiří Veselý
(66th in the world - best Wimbledon performance last 16)

Round 3 - Tommy Paul
(35th in the world - best Wimbledon performance main draw debut)

Last 16 - Cam Norrie
(12th in the world - best Wimbledon performance 3rd round)

Quarter finals - Casper Ruud
(5th in the world - best Wimbledon performance 1st round)

Semi finals - Novak Djokovic
(3rd in the world - best Wimbledon performance winner)

Final - Rafael Nadal
(4th in the world - best Wimbledon performance winner)

Hurkacz should also be a decent bet for last 4.

Semis of Berrettini v Nadal and Hurkacz v Djokovic looks very possible.

[Hiber-nation]

Wonder how far Norrie will get. He gets ignored a bit by the British media due to his upbringing in SA/NZ. Didn't help himself by calling Wimbledon an exhibition though and I find him a bit difficult to warm to for some reason.

[hibeg]

Berretini's potential route;

Round 1 - Cristian Garin
(44th in the world - best Wimbledon performance last 16)

Round 2 - Marc-Andrea Hüsler
(104th in the world - best Wimbledon performance main draw debut)

Round 3 - Jenson Brooksby
(34th in the world - best Wimbledon performance main draw debut)

Last 16 - Diego Schwartzman
(15th in the world - best Wimbledon performance 3rd round)

Quarter finals - Stefanos Tsitsipas
(6th in the world - best Wimbledon performance last 16)

Semi finals - Rafael Nadal
(4th in the world - best Wimbledon performance winner)

Final - Novak Djokovic
(3rd in the world - best Wimbledon performance winner)

Berrettini really shouldn't have any problems getting into the semis and I would love to see him playing Nadal. I would say he would be a great bet for the tournament.

Hurkacz's potential route;

Round 1 - Alejandro Davidovich Fokina
(38th in the world - best Wimbledon performance 1st round)

Round 2 - Jiří Veselý
(66th in the world - best Wimbledon performance last 16)

Round 3 - Tommy Paul
(35th in the world - best Wimbledon performance main draw debut)

Last 16 - Cam Norrie
(12th in the world - best Wimbledon performance 3rd round)

Quarter finals - Casper Ruud
(5th in the world - best Wimbledon performance 1st round)

Semi finals - Novak Djokovic
(3rd in the world - best Wimbledon performance winner)

Final - Rafael Nadal
(4th in the world - best Wimbledon performance winner)

Hurkacz should also be a decent bet for last 4.

Semis of Berrettini v Nadal and Hurkacz v Djokovic looks very possible.

Jeez, you’ve been studying the draw :greengrin
Like you I can’t see many troubling them.
Last year I liked the look of Shapavalov, maybe he could spoil the party

[Sir David Gray]

Wonder how far Norrie will get. He gets ignored a bit by the British media due to his upbringing in SA/NZ. Didn't help himself by calling Wimbledon an exhibition though and I find him a bit difficult to warm to for some reason.

I personally don't see him getting too far to be honest. He doesn't have a good record at Wimbledon and has a potential banana skin in round one v Pablo Andujar and then if he gets through that he has a possible tricky encounter in round three v Grigor Dimitrov.

I'd be surprised if he makes it into the second week.

[Hibernia&Alba]

I love Wimbledon, it's one of the truly great traditional events in world sport. Beautiful venue, the history, the drama. I would like to go some time.

Will Boris Becker be commentating as usual? :offski:

[Sir David Gray]

I love Wimbledon, it's one of the truly great traditional events in world sport. Beautiful venue, the history, the drama. I would like to go some time.

Will Boris Becker be commentating as usual? :offski:

Think he might be struggling this year! :greengrin

I highly recommend Wimbledon to anyone with even a slight interest in tennis, the first time I entered Centre Court was one of the best things I've ever experienced. Such an iconic place and I absolutely love the tournament.

[Sir David Gray]

Djokovic lost the second set v Soonwoo Kwon but did win sets one and three and is a break up in the fourth set so will probably be safely into round two.

In terms of major shocks we may be seeing one on Court Three as one of the favourites to go deep in this tournament is last year's semi-finalist Hubert Hurkacz but he is two sets down to Alejandro Davidovich Fokina.

[Sir David Gray]

Djokovic into the second round after a win in four sets.

Hurkacz also making a bit of a comeback - he won set three and is a break up in set four.

This is exactly why I love men's Grand Slam tennis, even after losing the first two sets a player can still come back to win the match.

Raducanu on now on Centre Court so expect Murray on at some point between 6 - 6.30pm.

[Sir David Gray]

First set to Raducanu 6-4.

[Sir David Gray]

Cam Norrie safely through in straight sets.

[Sir David Gray]

Hubert Hurkacz is out in the first major shock of this year's championships.

Despite coming back from two sets down to take it into a decider, Alejandro Davidovich Fokina won in five sets.

That really opens things up for Norrie now and he'll fancy his chances of getting to the quarter finals now.

[hibeg]

Hubert Hurkacz is out in the first major shock of this year's championships.

Despite coming back from two sets down to take it into a decider, Alejandro Davidovich Fokina won in five sets.

That really opens things up for Norrie now and he'll fancy his chances of getting to the quarter finals now.

Caught the tiebreak at the end of the Hurkacz match, really surprised at his exit. Apparently he was serving for the match before the breaker. Hope Norrie can go deep now

[hibeg]

Enjoying watching Alcatraz. Exciting player with some ridiculous shots in his armoury.

[Sir David Gray]

Raducanu through in straight sets.

Now for Andy.

[Sir David Gray]

A lot of five setters today - that's seven already.

[hibeg]

Brilliant from Alcaraz, great win.

[Sir David Gray]

Duckworth breaks to go 2-1 up first set.

[Sir David Gray]

Murray breaks straight back - 2-2.

[Sir David Gray]

Duckworth breaks again and will serve for the first set - 5-4.

[Sir David Gray]

Duckworth wins the first set 6-4.

Outplayed so far.

[Sir David Gray]

Murray breaks to go 4-2 up in the second set.

[Sir David Gray]

Second set to Murray - 6-3!

[Sir David Gray]

Murray will be kicking himself for not breaking there.

[Sir David Gray]

Murray breaks this time!

2-1 Murray third set.

[heretoday]

The emotional roller coaster cranks into action for another year. Come on Andy!

[Sir David Gray]

Double break now for Murray - 4-1!

[Sir David Gray]

Third set Murray 6-2.

He's really stepped it up now.

Short break for the roof being closed.

[HibbyAndy]

That Duckworth is a bit of a nobend eh ? ...Kept saying to the Umpire ' If it was him the roof would be closed ' Welt , Murray will skelp him when they come back oot

[Sir David Gray]

That Duckworth is a bit of a nobend eh ? ...Kept saying to the Umpire ' If it was him the roof would be closed ' Welt , Murray will skelp him when they come back oot

Not sure why he's so keen for the roof to be closed, this will suit Murray even more than it did with the roof open.

[McSwanky]

Not sure why he's so keen for the roof to be closed, this will suit Murray even more than it did with the roof open.He was getting pummeled, probably his only chance to break Murray's rhythm a bit.

[McSwanky]

That Duckworth is a bit of a nobend eh ? ...Kept saying to the Umpire ' If it was him the roof would be closed ' Welt , Murray will skelp him when they come back ootHe's probably right though [emoji16]

[Hiber-nation]

This is brilliant but if I was in charge I'd ban anyone singing "Let's go Andy let's go". Cringe 😂

[Jim44]

The break to close the roof has given Duckworth his second wind. He’s back in the match and could get on top. This might go to five sets.

[Sir David Gray]

Yaaaaas Murray breaks and will serve for the match!

[Sir David Gray]

Never in doubt - Murray wins 4-6 6-3 6-2 6-4! :thumbsup:

John Isner up next on Wednesday.

[Hiber-nation]

Ah that was superb. Bring on big Isner!!

[Sir David Gray]

Heather Watson is a set down to Tamara Korpatsch.

Jodie Burrage lost earlier to Lesia Tsurenko.

[He's here!]

Brilliant Andy. Always a joy to see him on Centre Court.

Just read that tube Djokovic's post-match quotes. Seems he may not be able to play in another Slam for a year as he's banned from Australia after his deportation and he can't play in the US Open due to being unvaccinated. Yet he claims that's a sacrifice worth making to avoid having a Covid jab. Selfish bellend.

[heretoday]

Ah that was superb. Bring on big Isner!!

That's going to be some game. This is shaping to be a great Wimbledon.

[Sir David Gray]

Brilliant Andy. Always a joy to see him on Centre Court.

Just read that tube Djokovic's post-match quotes. Seems he may not be able to play in another Slam for a year as he's banned from Australia after his deportation and he can't play in the US Open due to being unvaccinated. Yet he claims that's a sacrifice worth making to avoid having a Covid jab. Selfish bellend.

I think there must be a chance that the rules on entering the USA will have been relaxed by the end of August but we'll see.

I also reckon there must be a chance that his ban from Australia will be overturned after their change of Government.

[blackpoolhibs]

I watched Andy Murray last night, and i just have to say he is probably the best Scottish athlete we've ever had.

My admiration for him is huge, how he can play tennis at this level after what he's been through absolutely astounds me.

:top marks:not worth

[Sir David Gray]

Matteo Berrettini withdraws from Wimbledon due to Covid-19.

Huge loss to the championships and really opens things up in the bottom half of the draw.

[heretoday]

Stick on for Novak now I'd say.

[JeMeSouviens]

Stick on for Novak now I'd say.

I wouldn't count out Rafa. He's not had much grass court practice but the further he goes he'll probably get stronger.

[Sir David Gray]

Stick on for Novak now I'd say.

I would expect so but Nadal has a lot of motivation given that he is going for the Calendar Year Grand Slam, and if successful is bidding to become the first man to achieve this in over 50 years and is also trying to extend his advantage over Djokovic in the number of Grand Slam titles.

At 36 years old he'll realise that such opportunities may not come round again. I'd love to see him do it, unless Murray makes a highly unlikely run to the final of course.

[Sir David Gray]

Great result for Wildcard Ryan Peniston as he beats Henri Laaksonen in straight sets.

He'll play Steve Johnson in round two.

[He's here!]

Stick on for Novak now I'd say.

Novax shouldn't have been allowed to enter.

Would love to see Rafa thrash him again but that will be harder on grass than clay.

[Sir David Gray]

Iga Swiatek makes it 36 wins in a row as she beats Jana Fett in straight sets.

[Sir David Gray]

Nadal drops the third set to Francisco Cerundolo.

1-1 in the fourth set.

[Sir David Gray]

Cerundolo breaks to go 2-1 up in set four after a marathon game.

[Sir David Gray]

3-1 Cerundolo.

Nadal not looking great right now.

[Sir David Gray]

Nadal was outstanding at the end of that match and wins in four sets.

Serena Williams on now, first match for 12 months so it will be interesting to see how this goes.

[Sir David Gray]

Williams being pumped so far.

[Hiber-nation]

First set to Tan. Really enjoying this game, fascinating!

[Jim44]

Twenty minute game ……. break to Williams.

[Sir David Gray]

What a game for Williams to break serve!

Almost a 20 minute game and Williams leads 2-0 second set.

[Sir David Gray]

Williams saves break points to back up the break, 3-0.

[Sir David Gray]

Williams running away with this set, double break and now leads 4-0.

[Sir David Gray]

GB watch;

Paul Jubb took Nick Kyrgios to five sets this afternoon but the Australian had just a bit too much for the player ranked 219 in the world.

Jay Clarke lost in straight sets to Christian Harrison.

Jack Draper won in straight sets against Zizou Bergs.

Alastair Gray probably had one of the best wins of the first round by beating Chun Hsin Tseng who is ranked almost 200 places above him.

Liam Broady won in five sets v Lukas Klein.

Dan Evans had a very disappointing defeat to Jason Kubler in straight sets.

Katie Swan lost in three sets to Marta Kostyuk.

Sonay Kartal lost in three sets to Lesley Pattinama Kerkhove.

Heather Watson won in three sets v Tamara Korpatsch.

Katie Boulter won in straight sets v Clara Burel.

[Sir David Gray]

Williams won the second set 6-1.

[Sir David Gray]

Another top seed has gone today as sixth seed Felix Auger-Aliassime lost to Maxime Cressy in four sets.

Cressy is obviously decent on grass as he reached the final of Eastbourne last week but this is still a pretty big shock as Auger-Aliassime got to the quarter finals of Wimbledon last year.

[He's here!]

Williams won the second set 6-1.

Come on Tan.

[Sir David Gray]

Williams had an early break in the final set but Tan's just broken back - 3-3.

[Sir David Gray]

What a shot from Williams.

[Sir David Gray]

Williams breaks to lead 5-4 and will serve for the match.

[Sir David Gray]

Tan breaks back, 5-5.

This is some match!

[Hiber-nation]

Tan can play some superb drop shots. What a game!

[Jones28]

Come on Harmony! Brilliant match.

[Sir David Gray]

Williams saves a match point - 6-6!

[Sir David Gray]

Such a shame that Wimbledon now has a championship tiebreak in the final set.

[Sir David Gray]

Tan wins 7-5 1-6 7-6

I'm not always a massive fan of women's tennis but that was such an enjoyable match.

[Peanut Shaz]

Think he might be struggling this year! :greengrin

I highly recommend Wimbledon to anyone with even a slight interest in tennis, the first time I entered Centre Court was one of the best things I've ever experienced. Such an iconic place and I absolutely love the tournament.

Never been during the tournament unfortunately but have done the guided tour. Absolutely brilliant, includes getting into centre court. The museum is also worth a visit. Something worth considering if you're visiting London.

[heretoday]

Tan wins 7-5 1-6 7-6

I'm not always a massive fan of women's tennis but that was such an enjoyable match.

Classic Wimbledon really.

Shame the commentary was so bad with talking over the serves in some cases. Martina is a pain in the neck!

[JimBHibees]

Classic Wimbledon really.

Shame the commentary was so bad with talking over the serves in some cases. Martina is a pain in the neck!

Watched the first set and the commentary was bizarre especially Martina who gave Tan no credit and all her comments were on the premise of how amazing Serena was despite being outplayed on many points by a much less experienced opponent.

[He's here!]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/61968827

Kyrgios admits spitting towards 'disrespectful' spectator.

[JeMeSouviens]

Such a shame that Wimbledon now has a championship tiebreak in the final set.

Got to disagree. I think it adds something and in its longer form there's plenty of time for ebb and flow. Plus we might all be glad of it if Isner goes long in the tournament. :wink:

[hibsbollah]

Come on Tan.

Tan's peed off her doubles partner by dropping out to focus on her singles, quite an outburst on Insta;

Unfortunately my Doubles Partner H. Tan retired from our doubles today. She just texted me this morning. Let me wait here 1 hour before the match start. I'm very sad, disappointed and also very angry that I can't play my 1st Doubles Grand Slam. And It's really not fair for me😒 I did'nt deserve that. She asked me before the tournament if we wanna play doubles and I said yes, I did'nt ask her, she asked me! If you're broken after a 3h Match the day before, you can't play professional. That's my opinion.

[JimBHibees]

Tan's peed off her doubles partner by dropping out to focus on her singles, quite an outburst on Insta;

Unfortunately my Doubles Partner H. Tan retired from our doubles today. She just texted me this morning. Let me wait here 1 hour before the match start. I'm very sad, disappointed and also very angry that I can't play my 1st Doubles Grand Slam. And It's really not fair for me😒 I did'nt deserve that. She asked me before the tournament if we wanna play doubles and I said yes, I did'nt ask her, she asked me! If you're broken after a 3h Match the day before, you can't play professional. That's my opinion.

That seems a bit dramatic Tan has just beaten a huge legend in the game the game finishing after 10. Every chance she would have had physical impact of that. Think the doubles player needs to wind her neck in. Ridiculous rant imo.

[JeMeSouviens]

Raducanu oot. Straight sets.

[Sir David Gray]

Raducanu out in straight sets.

Can't really say I'm too surprised to be honest, she's had a pretty awful time since winning the US Open last year.

[JohnM1875]

Raducanu out in straight sets.

Can't really say I'm too surprised to be honest, she's had a pretty awful time since winning the US Open last year.

Definitely a player in there though. Just needs to get used to life on the tour and learn to adjust to all the wee niggles that go with it. Oh, and maybe settle on a coach.

[Sir David Gray]

Got to disagree. I think it adds something and in its longer form there's plenty of time for ebb and flow. Plus we might all be glad of it if Isner goes long in the tournament. :wink:

Much prefer the longer format in the final set, a tiebreak kind of spoils it a bit for me.

Isner-Mahut was obviously an extreme case although as someone who was down at Wimbledon that year it was a match which will live long in everyone's memory and I think it's a shame that the tiebreak has been introduced.

There was a change made a couple of years ago when it was changed to a tiebreak at 12-12 and I think that was a good compromise if they didn't want it to potentially go on to 70-6!

[Sir David Gray]

Cam Norrie comes through in five sets.

[JeMeSouviens]

I might be imagining it, but there seem to be an awful lot of empty seats on the show courts this year?

[Sir David Gray]

I might be imagining it, but there seem to be an awful lot of empty seats on the show courts this year?

You're definitely not imagining it, I noticed it on Monday and Tuesday and seeing it again today.

[Sir David Gray]

Isner backs up the break - 3-1.

[HibbyAndy]

Isner has one freak of a serve ! It's actually better than it was 10 years ago !!


I can't possibly see how Andy wins this match , Unless Isner tires

[Sir David Gray]

Isner takes the opener 6-4.

[Sir David Gray]

Third seed Casper Ruud is out after losing in four sets to Ugo Humbert.

Highest seed to fall so far.

Ryan Peniston's dream is over after losing in straight sets to Steve Johnson.

[heretoday]

Isner has one freak of a serve ! It's actually better than it was 10 years ago !!


I can't possibly see how Andy wins this match , Unless Isner tires

Isner is older than Andy. And Andy is 8-0 ahead in matches against him.
God knows how but he is!

[hibeg]

I’ve not seen any tennis today but looking forward to watching Alcaraz.

[Jones28]

Isners serve is scary.

[McSwanky]

Isners serve is scary.He's been scarily accurate today as well as his usual speed. If this continues I don't see a way through for Andy, but he's surprised me a few times before!

[Sir David Gray]

I think Isner's style is pretty boring to watch but it's effective so far tonight. Murray's never lost to him (albeit they have never met on grass before and their last match was 6 years ago) so it will be interesting to see how he tries to break the serve down.

[Sir David Gray]

I’ve not seen any tennis today but looking forward to watching Alcaraz.

He's on right now on the red button if you're interested in watching him.

He won the first set.

[Sir David Gray]

Isner wins the second set tiebreak.

All over now I think.

[Jim44]

I think Isner's style is pretty boring to watch but it's effective so far tonight. Murray's never lost to him (albeit they have never met on grass before and their last match was 6 years ago) so it will be interesting to see how he tries to break the serve down.

I can’t see Murray coming back from 2 sets down. Inner is just too strong, especially on the serve, for Andy.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

I’ve not seen any tennis today but looking forward to watching Alcaraz.

Is that the film with Burt Lancaster in it? 😉

[Jim44]

A great career but I think this is Murray’s swan song at Wimbledon.

[Sir David Gray]

I cannot stress this enough, I absolutely love Andy Murray.

He wins the third set tiebreak.

Come on! :thumbsup:

[weecounty hibby]

Cmon Andy. What a ****ing inspirational sportsman he is. What commitment and effort

[Jim44]

I cannot stress this enough, I absolutely love Andy Murray.

He wins the third set tiebreak.

Come on! :thumbsup:

:agree: Well done, Andy. Still a mountain to climb, but you never know.

[HibbyAndy]

The will to win Andy Murray has is sensational !


The guy refuses to give up without a fight !!

[heretoday]

Isner doesn't like when the ball comes back at him!

[McSwanky]

If, and it's a big if, Murray goes on to win this, there was a point in the 3rd set where he was 0-15 and should have lost the point. He managed to dig out a fantastic site on the run and won the point.

That for me was the turning point. Long way to go yet though!

[Jim44]

Murray is a far superior tennis player but with Isner’s strength of serve and Andy’s declining years, his chances of winning are minimal.

[Sir David Gray]

Isner breaks in the fourth set.

[weecounty hibby]

Have to say tennis would be very dull if all players were like Isner. He is actually a pretty good tennis player but the majority of the game is just one serve and over.

[Jones28]

Isner is like the Stoke City of tennis.

[Sir David Gray]

Isner wins 6-4 7-6 6-7 6-4

Murray didn't do an awful lot wrong tonight but Isner's serve was just far too good throughout.

[JimBHibees]

Andrew Castle dear oh dear what an absolute clown. Loving it that Murray lost. Barely gave him any credit and absolutely very little context re his injury. Bizarre commentary imo

[Hibernia&Alba]

Isner wins 6-4 7-6 6-7 6-4

Murray didn't do an awful lot wrong tonight but Isner's serve was just far too good throughout.

Yes, Murray gave it everything he had, but that serve was something else. The mind remains willing for Murray, but the body is no longer there for the very top level. The injuries will catch up with him at 37. Perhaps this is the time to call it a day.

[Jim44]

It’ll take Djokovic or Nadal at their best to beat the robotic serve of Isner. That was his first ever win against Murray and, without the adrenaline, I suppose there’s every chance he could go out and lose to a nondescript player in the next round. However, I think he will reach the semi-finals at least.

[Sir David Gray]

Yes, Murray gave it everything he had, but that serve was something else. The mind remains willing for Murray, but the body is no longer there for the very top level. The injuries will catch up with him at 37. Perhaps this is the time to call it a day.

Murray's only 35, it's Isner who is 37.

I don't think he'll retire yet, I think he genuinely enjoys competing, I think there's another couple of years left in him yet.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Murray's only 35, it's Isner who is 37.

I don't think he'll retire yet, I think he genuinely enjoys competing, I think there's another couple of years left in him yet.

Cheers, I thought Murray was 37. He certainly still has the desire to compete, but it's so tough at the elite level, and he's had some terrible injuries to cope with. I hope he does play on, but wouldn't blame him if he decides it's too much now.

[Sir David Gray]

It’ll take Djokovic or Nadal at their best to beat the robotic serve of Isner. That was his first ever win against Murray and, without the adrenaline, I suppose there’s every chance he could go out and lose to a nondescript player in the next round. However, I think he will reach the semi-finals at least.

If he serves like he did tonight for the next five matches then he'll win the tournament but he almost certainly won't.

He plays Jannik Sinner next and I wouldn't be surprised if Sinner wins that one.

[Hiber-nation]

Andrew Castle dear oh dear what an absolute clown. Loving it that Murray lost. Barely gave him any credit and absolutely very little context re his injury. Bizarre commentary imo

I thought he was fine, never noticed any bias. Martina was awful last night mind you although Jo Konta is a great addition to the commentary team.

Anyway I think Isner will lose in the next round and Andy will be back.

[hibeg]

He's on right now on the red button if you're interested in watching him.

He won the first set.

When I eventually got the chance to watch him it was the Heather Watson match on the red button 🙄

[hibeg]

Is that the film with Burt Lancaster in it? 😉

Was waiting for that :greengrin

[hibeg]

Murray's only 35, it's Isner who is 37.

I don't think he'll retire yet, I think he genuinely enjoys competing, I think there's another couple of years left in him yet.

I know we have discussed this before but I just can’t see him going on much longer
He is not really competing when John Isner beats him for the first time ever.
He is losing to guys who wouldn’t stand a chance against him a few years ago.
He is a legend and I would like to remember him as one, not an also ran

[WeeRussell]

I didn’t see tonight’s game but my generic view seems to differ with some. My experience of castle in the past would have expected him to be very biased towards murray and definitely not the other way round.

I was also quite surprised to see Isner at 2/1 tonight. Didn’t have a bet but when glancing over I thought he’d be favourite.. albeit relies big time on a serve. He’s something of a force in tennis just now, which Murray just isn’t.

[WeeRussell]

If he serves like he did tonight for the next five matches then he'll win the tournament but he almost certainly won't.

He plays Jannik Sinner next and I wouldn't be surprised if Sinner wins that one.

Again didn’t see tonight so can only speak generally but find that hard to believe. The return of Djokovic (much as he isn’t my favourite man in the world) and Nadal is a wide margin above Murray, even at his best, for me.

[Sir David Gray]

When I eventually got the chance to watch him it was the Heather Watson match on the red button 🙄

If you have Sky then all of the Wimbledon matches are on different channels starting from 981 onwards.

[Sir David Gray]

Again didn’t see tonight so can only speak generally but find that hard to believe. The return of Djokovic (much as he isn’t my favourite man in the world) and Nadal is a wide margin above Murray, even at his best, for me.

73% first serves in will be a struggle for even the best returners in the game especially when Isner is consistently serving at around 130mph. I actually didn't think Murray did an awful lot wrong tonight, Isner was just too good for him.

I accept Murray's not at the level of Djokovic or Nadal now but if Isner keeps his serving at the level he was at tonight he will be a match for anyone.

[He's here!]

Isner was all but unplayable tonight. Andy did extremely well to win that third set. His younger self would have gone on to win, as Isner graciously acknowledged.

[WeeRussell]

73% first serves in will be a struggle for even the best returners in the game especially when Isner is consistently serving at around 130mph. I actually didn't think Murray did an awful lot wrong tonight, Isner was just too good for him.

I accept Murray's not at the level of Djokovic or Nadal now but if Isner keeps his serving at the level he was at tonight he will be a match for anyone.

👍 73% is something else right enough

[heretoday]

Insner has always intrigued me. His face betrays little emotion throughout the match. His gait is one of a giraffe wandering about the sandy wastes. His serve is unplayable. Why he hasn't won more is a puzzle.
If he wins this year it'll be some sight as he clambers into the stand to hug his family and friends.

[Just_Jimmy]

Again didn’t see tonight so can only speak generally but find that hard to believe. The return of Djokovic (much as he isn’t my favourite man in the world) and Nadal is a wide margin above Murray, even at his best, for me.Murray was, at his peak, the best returner in the game. Whilst he's dropped off, he's still a formidable force on form.

Isner will do well to maintain that percentage but make no mistake, if he does he'll very likely win the whole thing.

Where he could come unstuck is meeting someone who holds serve equally well on the day and it comes down to a single break point a set, or tie breaks.

I wouldn't be betting against him at all.

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[Hibernia&Alba]

Isner has the serve to go all the way on grass. If he can maintain the service consistency of last night, he will be tough for anybody.

[Sir David Gray]

Alastair Gray's tournament came to an end with a defeat to Taylor Fritz in straight sets.

However Liam Broady had an absolutely outstanding victory in five sets against 12th seed Diego Schwartzman.

Jack Draper on soon v Alex De Minaur.

Rafael Nadal is two sets ahead v Ricardas Berankis but the Lithuanian is a break up in the third set.

There was another brilliant British victory in the women's draw as Katie Boulter beat last year's finalist Karolina Pliskova in three sets.

Heather Watson also won against Qiang Wang but Harriet Dart lost to Jessica Pegula.

Iga Swiatek made it 37 wins in a row.

[Sir David Gray]

Nadal loses the third set.

[Sir David Gray]

Jack Draper just wins the first set v Alex De Minaur.

Outstanding point to win the set.

[Sir David Gray]

Nadal wins in four sets.

[Sir David Gray]

Things falling apart a bit for Draper just now.

He lost the second set on a tiebreak and is a break down in the third set.

[Bishop Hibee]

What’s going on with mens tennis? Just looked up the odds on William Hill and Djokovic is 4/9 to win the tournament, Nadal 4-1 then the nearest is Alcaraz at 10-1. A real dearth of young talent coming through and its been like that for a while.

[Sir David Gray]

Draper out in four sets.

Good match though.

[WeeRussell]

Murray was, at his peak, the best returner in the game. Whilst he's dropped off, he's still a formidable force on form.

Isner will do well to maintain that percentage but make no mistake, if he does he'll very likely win the whole thing.

Where he could come unstuck is meeting someone who holds serve equally well on the day and it comes down to a single break point a set, or tie breaks.

I wouldn't be betting against him at all.

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I have to disagree.

Djokovic has a decent case for being the best returner of all time. And as much as I’d like to see big John win the tournament, I really can’t see it.

[WeeRussell]

Draper out in four sets.

Good match though.

Draper played some match, I’d never really seen much of him but the boy can play.

His opponent was ridiculous in spells of the 3rd/4th set though. Credit to Draper for pushing him as much as he did!

[Sir David Gray]

What’s going on with mens tennis? Just looked up the odds on William Hill and Djokovic is 4/9 to win the tournament, Nadal 4-1 then the nearest is Alcaraz at 10-1. A real dearth of young talent coming through and its been like that for a while.

Yeah the so called next generation have really not done much at all.

Since Roger Federer won his first Grand Slam in 2003 only Rafael Nadal, Novak Djokovic, Andy Murray, Stan Wawrinka and Federer himself have won more than one Grand Slam title. The youngest player in that list is Djokovic who is 35.

In the top 50 right now we have the following players who are under 25;

5th - Stefanos Tsitsipas - Best Grand Slam performance - Final (age 23)
6th - Casper Ruud - Best Grand Slam performance - Final (age 23)
7th - Carlos Alcaraz - Best Grand Slam performance - Quarter finals (age 19)
8th - Andrey Rublev - Best Grand Slam performance - Quarter finals (age 24)
9th - Felix Auger-Aliassime - Best Grand Slam performance - Semi finals (age 21)
13th - Jannik Sinner - Best Grand Slam performance - Quarter finals (age 20)
14th - Taylor Fritz - Best Grand Slam performance - 4th round (age 24)
16th - Denis Shapovalov - Best Grand Slam performance - Semi finals (age 23)
18th - Reilly Opelka - Best Grand Slam performance - 4th round (age 24)
27th - Alex De Minaur - Best Grand Slam performance - Quarter finals (age 23)
28th - Frances Tiafoe - Best Grand Slam performance - Quarter finals (age 24)
29th - Holger Rune - Best Grand Slam performance - Quarter finals (age 19)
30th - Miomir Kecmanovic - Best Grand Slam performance - 4th round (age 22)
34th - Jenson Brooksby - Best Grand Slam performance - 4th round (age 21)
35th - Sebastian Baez - Best Grand Slam performance - 2nd round (age 21)
37th - Alejandro Davidovich Fokina - Best Grand Slam performance - Quarter finals (age 23)
41st - Francisco Cerundolo - Best Grand Slam performance - 1st round (age 23)
46th - Sebastian Korda - Best Grand Slam performance - 4th round (age 21)
49th - Emil Ruusuvuori - Best Grand Slam performance - 2nd round (age 23)

Only two Grand Slam final appearances amongst this group speaks volumes about how little serious talent there is coming through. Federer, Nadal and Djokovic have been very special players and it's highly unlikely that we'll see three players of that standard coming through all at the same time for a very long time.

[hibeg]

Alcaraz is the man from that list.
After the sad withdrawal from Berrentini, Novak will be strong favourite to win Wimbledon again but in a year or so I would hope Alcaraz will be top dog in the men’s game.
Surprisingly, he seems pretty comfortable on grass as well, just needs more experience
I’ve hardly seen any matches this week but Alcaraz was the one that impressed me most

[hibeg]

Well done Heather Watson, into the last 16 for the first time in her career after many years of trying

[heretoday]

Djokovic is so good. Hard to like sometimes but a stick-on for the title, I'd say.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Well done Heather Watson, into the last 16 for the first time in her career after many years of trying

Always good to see the joy she gets out of winning, such a cheery character.

[hibeg]

The boy Alcaraz is unreal. Drop shots, lobs, totally outclassing his opponent, a joy to watch
I know Cam Norrie is on the other channel but will stick with Carlos just now. :greengrin

[Sir David Gray]

John Isner two sets down to Jannik Sinner.

I can't say I'm overly surprised like I said the other night I thought Sinner would beat him.

First serve percentage for Isner is slightly down compared with his match v Murray but still pretty consistent.

Sinner is a pretty steady player though and Isner looks like he's struggling with an injury.

[weecounty hibby]

Djokovic is so good. Hard to like sometimes but a stick-on for the title, I'd say.

Hard to like all the time!! But an incredible tennis player

[hibeg]

Alcaraz through to play Sinner, winner of this to play Novak in quarters

Carlos for the title !

Only 8 unforced errors in his match against a guy who reached the last 2 grass court semi finals

[Sir David Gray]

Alcaraz and Sinner both through in straight sets.

[Sir David Gray]

Going to be an early night for the tennis tonight, Norrie-Johnson is the last singles match still to reach a conclusion and Norrie's just gone two sets ahead.

[hibeg]

Going to be an early night for the tennis tonight, Norrie-Johnson is the last singles match still to reach a conclusion and Norrie's just gone two sets ahead.

Never mind, Jamie Murray and Venus up next on number 1 court

[Sir David Gray]

Norrie through in straight sets.

Tommy Paul up next on Sunday in the last 16.

Top half of the men's last 16 draw;

Novak Djokovic v Tim Van Rijthoven
Jannik Sinner v Carlos Alcaraz
David Goffin v Frances Tiafoe
Cameron Norrie v Tommy Paul

Bottom half of the women's last 16 draw;

Marie Bouzkova v Caroline Garcia
Elise Mertens v Ons Jabeur
Tatjana Maria v Jelena Ostapenko
Heather Watson v Jule Niemeier

[Sir David Gray]

Jamie Murray and Venus Williams through to the last 16 of the Mixed Doubles with a win in three sets.

[Just_Jimmy]

I have to disagree.

Djokovic has a decent case for being the best returner of all time. And as much as I’d like to see big John win the tournament, I really can’t see it.Well Isners gone. He served 50% in the first set and then never really got going. He just looked off, as someone said, perhaps an injury. Really he's one dimensional and when his serve is on he can back it up with decent, if limited volley play etc, he's all about the serve.



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[Sir David Gray]

Katie Boulter hammered in straight sets by Harmony Tan, 6-1 6-1.

[Sir David Gray]

Alex De Minaur wins the opening set v Liam Broady.

2-2 second set.

[Sir David Gray]

Cristian Garin wins in 4 sets v Jenson Brooksby.

He'll play the winner of De Minaur-Broady and it's looking like it will be De Minaur as he has just gone two sets up.

[Sir David Gray]

Botic Van De Zandschulp wins in 4 sets v Richard Gasquet.

Always enjoyed watching Gasquet at Wimbledon. Good on grass and one of the best backhands in the game.

[Sir David Gray]

Brandon Nakashima wins in straight sets v Daniel Elahi Galan Riveros.

[Sir David Gray]

Jason Kubler wins in 5 sets v Jack Sock after 4 hours 19 minutes.

[Sir David Gray]

Alex De Minaur beats Liam Broady in straight sets.

[Sir David Gray]

Taylor Fritz wins in straight sets v Alex Molcan.

[hibeg]

Iga Swiatek struggling a bit v grass court specialist Cornet.
Lost first set but can still win this
Go Iga

[Sir David Gray]

Swiatek well beaten and the 37 match winning run is over.

Cornet wins in straight sets 6-4 6-2.

[hibeg]

Swiatek well beaten and the 37 match winning run is over.

Cornet wins in straight sets 6-4 6-2.

Aye she was. Didn’t expect her to get very far, as I said after the French Open. She will have to get some serious practice on grass courts.

[Sir David Gray]

Potential match of the tournament on now - Tsitsipas v Kyrgios.

Could be a cracker.

[Sir David Gray]

Great serve through the legs by Kyrgios. 🤣🤣

He's certainly unique!

[Sir David Gray]

First set to Tsitsipas 7-6.

Kyrgios has been rather vocal to say the least.

[DaveF]

Kyrgios is great to watch. Utterly crackers, playing at 1000mph and that service game to 5-4 up was insane 😂

[Hiber-nation]

Kyrgios is great to watch. Utterly crackers, playing at 1000mph and that service game to 5-4 up was insane 😂

Never quite seen anything like that last game, the guy is unreal 😂

[Sir David Gray]

Second set to Kyrgios 6-4.

[DaveF]

He's now just being a dick.

[Sir David Gray]

Tsitsipas should be defaulted for that.

Very lucky boy.

[Hiber-nation]

How did Tsisipas get away with firing the ball into the crowd? I do wish Kyrgios would shut up though, he'll end up getting dq'd.

[DaveF]

Tsitsipas should be defaulted for that.

Very lucky boy.

He is but Kyrgios probably should have been binned before that. He's a poor man's McEnroe when it comes to moaning.

[Sir David Gray]

Kyrgios has taken his comments too far (once again!) but the main point he's making is spot on.

[DaveF]

Kyrgios has taken his comments too far (once again!) but the main point he's making is spot on.

Yes, but should he not have been defaulted for abusing the line judges? I don't particularly like Tsitsipas but Kyrgios is getting away with murder here.

[Hiber-nation]

Yes, but should he not have been defaulted for abusing the line judges? I don't particularly like Tsitsipas but Kyrgios is getting away with murder here.

To get away with using the f word at the umpire is surely unprecedented. I want him to win but I wish he'd just get on with it....not a hope of that though!

[Sir David Gray]

Kyrgios wins the third set 6-3.

[Sir David Gray]

Yes, but should he not have been defaulted for abusing the line judges? I don't particularly like Tsitsipas but Kyrgios is getting away with murder here.

He should have received a point penalty at the very least. Quite incredible that he hasn't received one so far.

[MWHIBBIES]

This match is brilliant television. Hope it goes to 5 sets. Kyrgios is bonkers

[Sir David Gray]

Roof is getting closed.

Can't handle this much drama. 🤣

[Sir David Gray]

Kyrgios wins 6-7 6-4 6-3 7-6

What a match, brilliant entertainment.

[Sir David Gray]

This post-match interview should be a laugh. :greengrin

[Hiber-nation]

What a game. Incredible stuff, that game had everything. Can't wait to hear the fallout from this!

[Mr Grieves]

Great entertainment, Kyrgios his usual radge self

[Hiber-nation]

The point that Martina, Cash, Lloyd and co are missing is that smashing the ball into the crowd is surely a far worse offence than swearing at an umpire. What difference does it make if someone got hit or not?

[DaveF]

The point that Martina, Cash, Lloyd and co are missing is that smashing the ball into the crowd is surely a far worse offence than swearing at an umpire. What difference does it make if someone got hit or not?

There must be degrees of tolerance with the swearing though otherwise why did the line judge speak to the umpire? Clearly whatever was said crossed a line yet he got away with it and then berated the umpire more and more.

[Hiber-nation]

There must be degrees of tolerance with the swearing though otherwise why did the line judge speak to the umpire? Clearly whatever was said crossed a line yet he got away with it and then berated the umpire more and more.

Yep he should never have got away with that. Umpire was dire.

[Sir David Gray]

Kyrgios' behaviour crossed the line (again) and he probably should have been defaulted, as should Tsitsipas.

Having said that, if Kyrgios had been defaulted then the match would have been over by the time Tsitsipas had his ball incident.

[Sir David Gray]

Norrie through in straight sets.

Tommy Paul up next on Sunday in the last 16.

Top half of the men's last 16 draw;

Novak Djokovic v Tim Van Rijthoven
Jannik Sinner v Carlos Alcaraz
David Goffin v Frances Tiafoe
Cameron Norrie v Tommy Paul

Bottom half of the women's last 16 draw;

Marie Bouzkova v Caroline Garcia
Elise Mertens v Ons Jabeur
Tatjana Maria v Jelena Ostapenko
Heather Watson v Jule Niemeier

Bottom half of the men's last 16 draw;

Cristian Garin v Alex De Minaur
Brandon Nakashima v Nick Kyrgios
Jason Kubler v Taylor Fritz
Botic Van De Zandschulp v Rafael Nadal

I think the Quarter finals will be;

Djokovic v Alcaraz
Goffin v Norrie
De Minaur v Kyrgios
Fritz v Nadal

[Sergio sledge]

Kyrgios' behaviour crossed the line (again) and he probably should have been defaulted, as should Tsitsipas.

Having said that, if Kyrgios had been defaulted then the match would have been over by the time Tsitsipas had his ball incident.


Tsitsipas is right IMHO, Kyrgios is a bully and I think it is a deliberate effort in a lot of his matches to try to intimidate the umpire and line judges to the point where they'll see a marginal call and be afraid to call against him.

I don't know how he gets away with the things he says towards them to be honest.

Having said that, Tsitsipas should have been defaulted IMHO, hitting a ball into the crowd like that isn't on.

[He's here!]

Kyrgios' behaviour crossed the line (again) and he probably should have been defaulted, as should Tsitsipas.

Having said that, if Kyrgios had been defaulted then the match would have been over by the time Tsitsipas had his ball incident.

Strong words in the post-match interviews:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/62024983

[He's here!]

Tsitsipas is right IMHO, Kyrgios is a bully and I think it is a deliberate effort in a lot of his matches to try to intimidate the umpire and line judges to the point where they'll see a marginal call and be afraid to call against him.

I don't know how he gets away with the things he says towards them to be honest.

Having said that, Tsitsipas should have been defaulted IMHO, hitting a ball into the crowd like that isn't on.

I'd agree with all that. The umpire wss too soft.

Djokovic was (correctly) disqualified from the US Open for hitting the ball away in frustration and striking a line judge in the neck. He also threw his racket into the stands at the Olympics but as there were no crowds allowed I think he only got docked a point.

[Sir David Gray]

I see the supervisor was busy last night as he was also called onto Centre Court to deal with issues between Rafael Nadal and Lorenzo Sonego.

Nadal has apologised for continuing to speak with Sonego at the net, at the end of the match. They had heated words earlier on when Nadal was unhappy with the match being stopped when he was 4-2 up in the third set so the roof could be closed, a decision Sonego had asked for earlier in that set.

Then once play resumed Nadal was unhappy with a noise Sonego had made as he set up break point.

Nadal said he was in the wrong for continuing discussions at the net after they had shaken hands though.

"I should not call him [to] the net," Nadal, 36, told a news conference.

"I have to say that I was wrong. So apologise for that. My mistake in that. No problem. I recognise that."

So much drama for a Saturday night! :greengrin

[heretoday]

Kyrgios is box office. Behaving like a petulant child and abusing hapless court officials is always a winner at Wimbledon. Just ask John McEnroe.

Kyrgios is particularly unpleasant though. I yearn to see him get his erse tanned by Djokovic but I fear he'll be gone by then.

[He's here!]

Kyrgios is box office. Behaving like a petulant child and abusing hapless court officials is always a winner at Wimbledon. Just ask John McEnroe.

Kyrgios is particularly unpleasant though. I yearn to see him get his erse tanned by Djokovic but I fear he'll be gone by then.

Yep, phenomenal natural talent but unlikely to have the mental discipline to go much further.

Personally I'd support anyone against Djokovic though. That t**t shouldn't even be allowed in the tournament.

[He's here!]

I see the supervisor was busy last night as he was also called onto Centre Court to deal with issues between Rafael Nadal and Lorenzo Sonego.

Nadal has apologised for continuing to speak with Sonego at the net, at the end of the match. They had heated words earlier on when Nadal was unhappy with the match being stopped when he was 4-2 up in the third set so the roof could be closed, a decision Sonego had asked for earlier in that set.

Then once play resumed Nadal was unhappy with a noise Sonego had made as he set up break point.

Nadal said he was in the wrong for continuing discussions at the net after they had shaken hands though.

"I should not call him [to] the net," Nadal, 36, told a news conference.

"I have to say that I was wrong. So apologise for that. My mistake in that. No problem. I recognise that."

So much drama for a Saturday night! :greengrin

I was flicking between the matches and while things got a bit tense in the Nadal match it was negligible in comparison. Rafa has also come out and addressed things in true sportsmanlike fashion. Easy to forget what the tension must be like for these guys.

[Sir David Gray]

Yep, phenomenal natural talent but unlikely to have the mental discipline to go much further.

Personally I'd support anyone against Djokovic though. That t**t shouldn't even be allowed in the tournament.

I think Kyrgios will win his next match v Nakashima but I can't see him beating De Minaur who he is likely to face in the Quarter finals.

[Sir David Gray]

Marie Bouzkova is the first player into the women's Quarter finals with a straight sets victory v Caroline Garcia.

[Just_Jimmy]

Kyrigos is a prick. Nothing less or better. He can have all the ability he likes but he's a total ********.

They should just default him the minute he opens his mouth. If it means every match then screw it. It's not fun to watch. He's a prick.

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[Sir David Gray]

Great to see the GOAT himself, Roger Federer, present on Centre Court for the centenary celebrations.

Very proud to say that I've seen him play on "his" court.

Another reason to not want Djokovic to win the title is that I really want Federer's 8 titles to stand as a record for a long time and Djokovic is a bit close behind him for my liking on 6 titles.

[Sir David Gray]

Kyrigos is a prick. Nothing less or better. He can have all the ability he likes but he's a total ********.

They should just default him the minute he opens his mouth. If it means every match then screw it. It's not fun to watch. He's a prick.

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I often wonder what people's true opinions were of John McEnroe at the time of him playing.

I was only 6 when he retired so I don't remember him at his peak so I wonder if people thought the same of him as they do with Kyrgios.

Obviously nowadays he's thought of as a legend of the sport and a respected commentator but at the time of his tantrums and confrontational behaviour towards the officials did anyone on here who is old enough to remember McEnroe and who also dislikes Kyrgios think that McEnroe was a "prick", a "bully" and "bad for tennis"?

I know McEnroe had the "superbrat" tag from the tabloids but I wonder if there's anyone who dislikes Kyrgios but who actually quite liked McEnroe and, if so, why that is the case? Kyrgios will never win the 7 Grand Slam titles that McEnroe won so perhaps that has something to do with it.

For me, whilst I think Kyrgios is a bit of an arse, undoubtedly takes things too far on a regular basis and actually becomes a bit boring with his tirades, I do find him fascinating to watch as outside of his drama (which I must admit is part of his appeal for me) he is also the ultimate definition of a maverick. He is so talented and has so many unorthodox shots that you never know what is coming next with him.

Outside of the obvious players of Murray, Federer and Nadal, a Nick Kyrgios match is one of the matches I would make a point of watching, for the unpredictability and genius shot making just as much as the inevitable tantrums and ill-discipline he brings to the court.

[Just_Jimmy]

I often wonder what people's true opinions were of John McEnroe at the time of him playing.

I was only 6 when he retired so I don't remember him at his peak so I wonder if people thought the same of him as they do with Kyrgios.

Obviously nowadays he's thought of as a legend of the sport and a respected commentator but at the time of his tantrums and confrontational behaviour towards the officials did anyone on here who is old enough to remember McEnroe and who also dislikes Kyrgios think that McEnroe was a "prick", a "bully" and "bad for tennis"?

I know McEnroe had the "superbrat" tag from the tabloids but I wonder if there's anyone who dislikes Kyrgios but who actually quite liked McEnroe and, if so, why that is the case? Kyrgios will never win the 7 Grand Slams titles that McEnroe won so perhaps that has something to do with it.

For me, whilst I think Kyrgios is a bit of an arse, undoubtedly takes things too far on a regular basis and actually becomes a bit boring with his tirades, I do find him fascinating to watch as outside of his drama (which I must admit is part of his appeal for me) he is also the ultimate definition of a maverick. He is so talented and has so many unorthodox shots that you never know what is coming next with him.

Outside of the obvious players of Murray, Federer and Nadal, a Nick Kyrgios match is one of the matches I would make a point of watching, for the unpredictability and genius shot making just as much as the inevitable tantrums and ill-discipline he brings to the court.There's a tantrum and a rant, we've seen plenty and there's being a bully and trying to be aggressive to people. I think kyigos crosses the line repeatedly. He's offensive.

I never saw mcenroe play but I don't think he ever became abusive on a personal level? maybe so in which case it was out of order.

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[Sir David Gray]

Heather Watson loses in straight sets to Jule Niemeier.

She plays fellow German, Tatjana Maria, in the Quarter finals.

[Sir David Gray]

Cam Norrie wins the first set v Tommy Paul.

[Sir David Gray]

Alcaraz up against it as he loses the first set 6-1 to Sinner.

[Sir David Gray]

Sinner breaks in the first game of the second set.

One way traffic so far.

[He's here!]

I often wonder what people's true opinions were of John McEnroe at the time of him playing.

I was only 6 when he retired so I don't remember him at his peak so I wonder if people thought the same of him as they do with Kyrgios.

Obviously nowadays he's thought of as a legend of the sport and a respected commentator but at the time of his tantrums and confrontational behaviour towards the officials did anyone on here who is old enough to remember McEnroe and who also dislikes Kyrgios think that McEnroe was a "prick", a "bully" and "bad for tennis"?

I know McEnroe had the "superbrat" tag from the tabloids but I wonder if there's anyone who dislikes Kyrgios but who actually quite liked McEnroe and, if so, why that is the case? Kyrgios will never win the 7 Grand Slam titles that McEnroe won so perhaps that has something to do with it.

For me, whilst I think Kyrgios is a bit of an arse, undoubtedly takes things too far on a regular basis and actually becomes a bit boring with his tirades, I do find him fascinating to watch as outside of his drama (which I must admit is part of his appeal for me) he is also the ultimate definition of a maverick. He is so talented and has so many unorthodox shots that you never know what is coming next with him.

Outside of the obvious players of Murray, Federer and Nadal, a Nick Kyrgios match is one of the matches I would make a point of watching, for the unpredictability and genius shot making just as much as the inevitable tantrums and ill-discipline he brings to the court.

McEnroe was certainly hated by a big percentage of tennis fans. Only Nastase before him had been anything like as outspoken on court. He was also up against one of the most beloved Wimbledon icons of all time, Bjorn Borg, so most were instinctively against this brattish young Yank who also LOOKED annoying with his tight perm and scowling face.

He deserved most of the flak he took IMHO. However, as he grew up and learned to channel his anger he gained more respect and backed things up by winning multiple slams. Krygios has bags of talent but looks unable to mature in a similar way.

[Sir David Gray]

Quite gutted I'll be missing the Kyrgios match tomorrow as he's first up on Centre Court at 1.30pm so I'll be at work which is disappointing!

Nadal is on third on Centre Court so I'll see that hopefully.

[Sir David Gray]

Goffin-Tiafoe has gone into a fifth set.

I did think that one had final set potential when I saw the draw.

[SHODAN]

News interrupts the deciding game of the second Norrie-Paul set so we can hear about the latest Tory sleaze. Joke.

[Sir David Gray]

Sinner now two sets up v Alcaraz.

[Sir David Gray]

News interrupts the deciding game of the second Norrie-Paul set so we can hear about the latest Tory sleaze. Joke.

Norrie went onto BBC 2 whilst the news was on.

They've done that throughout the tournament by switching between BBC 1 and 2.

[Sir David Gray]

Norrie a break up in the third set now.

[Sir David Gray]

David Goffin beats Frances Tiafoe in five sets.

[Sir David Gray]

Norrie through in straight sets.

[hibeg]

Just in and see Alcaraz is 2 sets down. Surprised tbh. Has Sinner played really well or Alcaraz been off it ?

[Sir David Gray]

Just in and see Alcaraz is 2 sets down. Surprised tbh. Has Sinner played really well or Alcaraz been off it ?

Sinner was excellent in the first set, outplayed Alcaraz.

Second set a bit more even but Sinner edged it.

Third set has also been quite even.

[Sir David Gray]

Alcaraz wins the third set 7-6.

[hibeg]

Sinner was excellent in the first set, outplayed Alcaraz.

Second set a bit more even but Sinner edged it.

Third set has also been quite even.

Cheers. Just seen the tie break, wow !
I’ve watched Alcaraz since Round 1, the boy is class.

Come on Carlos :thumbsup:

[Sir David Gray]

If this goes to 5 sets Djokovic might not get finished tonight.

[DaveF]

McEnroe was certainly hated by a big percentage of tennis fans. Only Nastase before him had been anything like as outspoken on court. He was also up against one of the most beloved Wimbledon icons of all time, Bjorn Borg, so most were instinctively against this brattish young Yank who also LOOKED annoying with his tight perm and scowling face.

He deserved most of the flak he took IMHO. However, as he grew up and learned to channel his anger he gained more respect and backed things up by winning multiple slams. Krygios has bags of talent but looks unable to mature in a similar way.

Agree with that. There was no love lost between McEnroe, Connors, Lendl but it rarely got personal on the court.

There was also no Hawkeye and line calls were the basis of 99% of McEnroe's tantrums back in the day. His lefty service action is a thing of beauty and probably what got me into tennis (plus I had the Mac rage factor minus all the talent)

[Sir David Gray]

Sinner breaks in the fourth set.

[Sir David Gray]

Jannik Sinner take a bow!

0-40 down to hold serve and go 4-1 up fourth set!

[hibeg]

I often wonder what people's true opinions were of John McEnroe at the time of him playing.

I was only 6 when he retired so I don't remember him at his peak so I wonder if people thought the same of him as they do with Kyrgios.

Obviously nowadays he's thought of as a legend of the sport and a respected commentator but at the time of his tantrums and confrontational behaviour towards the officials did anyone on here who is old enough to remember McEnroe and who also dislikes Kyrgios think that McEnroe was a "prick", a "bully" and "bad for tennis"?

I know McEnroe had the "superbrat" tag from the tabloids but I wonder if there's anyone who dislikes Kyrgios but who actually quite liked McEnroe and, if so, why that is the case? Kyrgios will never win the 7 Grand Slam titles that McEnroe won so perhaps that has something to do with it.



For me, whilst I think Kyrgios is a bit of an arse, undoubtedly takes things too far on a regular basis and actually becomes a bit boring with his tirades, I do find him fascinating to watch as outside of his drama (which I must admit is part of his appeal for me) he is also the ultimate definition of a maverick. He is so talented and has so many unorthodox shots that you never know what is coming next with him.

Outside of the obvious players of Murray, Federer and Nadal, a Nick Kyrgios match is one of the matches I would make a point of watching, for the unpredictability and genius shot making just as much as the inevitable tantrums and ill-discipline he brings to the court.

I’m old enough to have seen McEnroe in his prime. I loved the tantrums because believe me the game was so boring back then and he brought it into the limelight ,along with Nastase who was mainly just before my time.
As I remember McEnroe gave plenty abuse to umpires and spectators
Ironically last night I watched the film Borg McEnroe. If factual, he was telling Jimmy Connors to gtf as well so assume he gave grief to his opponents if things were not going to his liking.
I enjoy watching Kyrgios as well, baggage and all.
Can see the similarities

[Sir David Gray]

Sinner wins in four sets on his 6th match point.

I'm sure Alcaraz will be back again soon but Sinner was just too good today. His forehand is an absolutely brilliant shot.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Oh well, no escape from Alcaraz after all. 😀

[hibeg]

Oh well, no escape from Alcaraz after all. 😀


:tee hee: He will win it in the not too distant future I think. Needs a bit more experience
Impressed with Sinner as well, don’t think he has had many games on grass courts

[Sir David Gray]

Jamie Murray and Venus Williams out of the Mixed Doubles after an incredible match.

18-16 in the final set tiebreak.

[Sir David Gray]

:tee hee: He will win it in the not too distant future I think. Needs a bit more experience
Impressed with Sinner as well, don’t think he has had many games on grass courts

I think he needs to forget about doing so many drop shots.

He reminded me a little bit of Andy Murray in his early days as the drop shot was one of his main tactics but it didn't really work too well.

Sinner seemed to come out on top in most of the rallies where Alcaraz tried a drop shot.

[Sir David Gray]

Ons Jabeur wins in straight sets v Elise Mertens and keeps alive her chances of becoming the first ever African female to win a Grand Slam singles title.

[hibeg]

I think he needs to forget about doing so many drop shots.

He reminded me a little bit of Andy Murray in his early days as the drop shot was one of his main tactics but it didn't really work too well.

Sinner seemed to come out on top in most of the rallies where Alcaraz tried a drop shot.

I agree, the drop shot he played at 2-5 to make it 15-40 was ridiculous, he had the whole court to pass Sinner. He played it at lot in earlier rounds as well.
He will learn though. I’m not sure if this was his first Wimbledon, or even one of his first grass court events, but his shot making, movement and natural power impressed me
Next year Carlos !

[Sir David Gray]

I agree, the drop shot he played at 2-5 to make it 15-40 was ridiculous, he had the whole court to pass Sinner. He played it at lot in earlier rounds as well.
He will learn though. I’m not sure if this was his first Wimbledon, or even one of his first grass court events, but his shot making, movement and natural power impressed me
Next year Carlos !

This was his second appearance at Wimbledon, he lost to Daniil Medvedev in the second round last year which was his first senior tournament on grass.

[Sir David Gray]

Djokovic wins the first set 6-2.

[Sir David Gray]

Van Rijthoven breaks Djokovic to lead 4-3 in the second set.

He's playing some lovely stuff right now and bringing out the very best in Djokovic.

[He's here!]

Sinner wins in four sets on his 6th match point.

I'm sure Alcaraz will be back again soon but Sinner was just too good today. His forehand is an absolutely brilliant shot.

My main take from the match was that both players look equipped to make a serious mark in the game unlike the phoney generation who have enabled the old guard to remain almost unchallenged at the top for far longer than they really should have.

[Sir David Gray]

Van Rijthoven wins the second set 6-4.

Game on!

[heretoday]

There's a tantrum and a rant, we've seen plenty and there's being a bully and trying to be aggressive to people. I think kyigos crosses the line repeatedly. He's offensive.

I never saw mcenroe play but I don't think he ever became abusive on a personal level? maybe so in which case it was out of order.

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I used to like McEnroe because he could beat Borg, who was becoming a bit monotonous! His outbursts were a bore because they held up the match mainly and also served to disrupt his opponent which wasn't fair.

Kyrgios, on the other hand, comes across as snide sort of type and genuinely nasty.

it's all impressions. We don't really know. He's probably a great guy at home!

[Sir David Gray]

Djokovic breaks to lead 2-0 third set in a game when Van Rijthoven apparently had two shots called out which were apparently in but he chose not to challenge either of them.

[Sir David Gray]

Djokovic running away with the third set - 4-0.

Edit - 5-0.

[Sir David Gray]

Djokovic wins the third set 6-1.

They have 59 minutes left to try and complete the match tonight.

It sounds obvious but Van Rijthoven needs to try and stay in this fourth set as long as possible and obviously try to nick it so that they need to come back tomorrow.

[Sir David Gray]

BBC just confirmed that Kyrgios was fined $4,000 for his audible obscenity in last night's match.

Tsitsipas was fined $10,000 for hitting the ball into the crowd.

[Sir David Gray]

Djokovic breaks in the first game of the fourth set.

I think they will finish this one tonight.

[hibsbollah]

I used to like McEnroe because he could beat Borg, who was becoming a bit monotonous! His outbursts were a bore because they held up the match mainly and also served to disrupt his opponent which wasn't fair.

Kyrgios, on the other hand, comes across as snide sort of type and genuinely nasty.

it's all impressions. We don't really know. He's probably a great guy at home!

I prefer Kyrgios’ trolling and sledging, which can be at least amusing sometimes, if cheating, (like you I loved McEnroes antics in the day) , to Haleps ridiculous 3 or 4 second scream which is clearly intended to distract her opponent. So, so annoying and the referees need to intervene at some point. Both cheats play early tomorrow.

[Sir David Gray]

Djokovic wins in 4 sets and plays Jannik Sinner in the quarter finals on Tuesday.

Should be a cracker.