Champions League

[Brightside]

Anyone know if Hibs club will be showing this.

[noz]

Anyone know if Hibs club will be showing this.

dunno, but if u have virgin tv, they are showing it free on channel 532. If u dont have BT sport.

[SChibs]

I don't see why not

[Hibernia&Alba]

dunno, but if u have virgin tv, they are showing it free on channel 532. If u dont have BT sport.

I thought the Champions League final always has to be on terrestrial TV?

[hibsbollah]

YouTube I’d heard.

[Sir David Gray]

I thought the Champions League final always has to be on terrestrial TV?

No.

The only football competitions which must be shown on free to air television are;

World Cup (full tournament)
Women's World Cup (full tournament)
European Championships (full tournament)
FA Cup final
Scottish Cup final (Scotland only)

There was a proposal put forward to include the Champions League final but it was declined.

[Hibernia&Alba]

No.

The only football competitions which must be shown on free to air television are;

World Cup (full tournament)
Women's World Cup (full tournament)
European Championships (full tournament)
FA Cup final
Scottish Cup final (Scotland only)

There was a proposal put forward to include the Champions League final but it was declined.

Right, thanks for that. It should be free-to-air, it's the biggest match in European football.

[Sir David Gray]

Right, thanks for that. It should be free-to-air, it's the biggest match in European football.

But can you really put a price on seeing Liverpool tears twice in the space of a week? :wink:

[hibeg]

YouTube I’d heard.

That would be great if true.

[Radge70]

That would be great if true.

https://www.live-footballontv.com/

Its on the BT Sports youtube channel the same as the Europa final was

[Sir David Gray]

That would be great if true.

It's definitely being streamed on BT's YouTube channel for free.

[ClermistonGreen]

Who GAF ?
it’s not Hibs !
GGTTH :agree:

[heretoday]

I'm looking forward to watching the best players in the world pinging it around the place.

[StarryPloughHSC]

I'm looking forward to watching the best players in the world pinging it around the place.

our season doesni start til august pal

[I'm_cabbaged]

Game delayed because of fans arriving late?

[Northernhibee]

Liverpool fans including families tear gassed outside. Sounds pretty awful.

[I'm_cabbaged]

Liverpool fans including families tear gassed outside. Sounds pretty awful.

Why though? Fans without tickets trying to get in?

[Jim44]

Trouble outside the stadium. French police throwing tear gas at Liverpool fans, apparently.

[Northernhibee]

Why though? Fans without tickets trying to get in?

By the sounds of it hundreds, if not thousands of fans, WITH tickets unable to get in. Looking at Twitter shows people jumping fences but also a lot of people saying that ticket holders are shut out.

[Santa Cruz]

Why though? Fans without tickets trying to get in?

Fromm BBC website's correspondent.

It is no surprise the Champions League final kick-off has been delayed. Thousands of fans were in a bottleneck just beyond an underpass when I tried to get near the stadium a couple of hours before and there was huge build up at the gates well before the scheduled start of 21:00 local time.
The atmosphere was already thick with tension even then because the queue was not moving. Those queues were certainly building up at the entrance I initially tried to get into well in advance of the kick-off.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Loads of Liverpool fans without tickets trying to get in according to Twitter.

Sounds like Euro 2020 final all over again.

[heretoday]

Of course, it's never the Liverpool fans fault.

[Radium]

Of course, it's never the Liverpool fans fault.

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[Paulie Walnuts]

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And yet Liverpool fans are acting like utter idiots as the England fans did in the summer last year.

The way English football fans are behaving nowadays when big games come round will see someone killed.

[stoneyburn hibs]

Of course, it's never the Liverpool fans fault.

Everything that we know right now is apparently.
Regardless, your comment is crass.

[Nakedmanoncrack]

Madrid fans seem to have got in on time, have been to that stadium 3 times and not one where I'd expect any issues. Hope everyone Ok.

[Jones28]

Jesus look at the gaps in the Liverpool end!

[Itsnoteasy]

Everything that we know right now is apparently.
Regardless, your comment is crass.

Seen footage online. Liverpool fans storming the turnstiles. No morales.

[SteveHFC]

Jesus look at the gaps in the Liverpool end!

No chance this is starting for another while yet.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Madrid fans seem to have got in on time, have been to that stadium 3 times and not one where I'd expect any issues. Hope everyone Ok.

Yup.

Videos on Twitter now of Liverpool fans rushing gates and climbing walls and fences. Apparently they’ve stopped letting fans in because of the fans who are trying to force their way into the stadium with no tickets and/or forged tickets.

These ****ing idiots are going to kill people.

[Jones28]

Yup.

Videos on Twitter now of Liverpool fans rushing gates and climbing walls and fences. Apparently they’ve stopped letting fans in because of the fans who are trying to force their way into the stadium with no tickets and/or forged tickets.

These ****ing idiots are going to kill people.

They are. People will die before they realise they’re actions are dangerous.

[Callum_62]

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[Chorley Hibee]

And yet Liverpool fans are acting like utter idiots as the England fans did in the summer last year.

The way English football fans are behaving nowadays when big games come round will see someone killed.

You've got no idea what is going on there.

I've seen countless videos that show Madrid fans scaling the fences too.

Talk is that they sealed the stadium with thousands still outside WITH tickets.

[Jones28]

No chance this is starting for another while yet.

If this kicks off before 9 I’ll be surprised - it must be torture for the players.

[SHODAN]

Feel for the people who actually did shell out for tickets having their night ruined and safety endangered by these pricks.

[Hibby70]

If this kicks off before 9 I’ll be surprised - it must be torture for the players.

Sounds like it will kick off at 8:30 regardless

[Jones28]

Sounds like it will kick off at 8:30 regardless

Looks like it, the pre match kerfuffle has begun.

[Paulie Walnuts]

You've got no idea what is going on there.

I've seen countless videos that show Madrid fans scaling the fences too.

Talk is that they sealed the stadium with thousands still outside WITH tickets.

Yes, they did do seal the stadium with fans with tickets outside, because there’s absolutely loads of Liverpool fans trying to force entry without a ticket.

The police would be negligent if they didn’t. They’d literally be admitting people into a death trap. Stadiums have a capacity for a reason.

[Chorley Hibee]

Yes, they did do seal the stadium with fans with tickets outside, because there’s absolutely loads of Liverpool fans trying to force entry without a ticket.

The police would be negligent if they didn’t. They’d literally be admitting people into a death trap. Stadiums have a capacity for a reason.

https://twitter.com/ArlArse666/status/1530626398095921152?t=aE5Paqf6VoAeg7d9MZ1Mtg&s=19

Doesn't fit your narrative does it.

[SHODAN]

What is this super bowl *****?

[Hibby70]

Camera work is great

[Hibby70]

Think I'd rather be locked outside

[Greencore]

Borrrrrrring.

[Jones28]

Apologies to Pretty Boy for adding to the workload, sometimes it just can’t be helped.

Thanks for all the work you and the other admins do 👍🏻👍🏻

[cabbageandribs1875]

:singing: what a loady rubbish

[Jones28]

She’s tidy like.

But get the football on.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

Fans just don't care about this ****. She's playing for the camera not the fans in the stadium

[Greencore]

Have I turned into eurovision?

[Onceinawhile]

Madrid fans seem to have got in on time, have been to that stadium 3 times and not one where I'd expect any issues. Hope everyone Ok.

Aye, time I went it was a sell out and we got in and out relatively easy.

I suspect that the Liverpool fans have done the British thing of turning up 15-20 minutes before kick off half cut and its caused issues.

Unfortunately European police forces and stewards etc... just aren't capable of dealing with that.

[heretoday]

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I take the point. What about Heysel, if we are being completely callous!

[Bobby's Cinema]

Hope this doesn't translate into a boring 120mins 0-0.

[Jones28]

Booed off 😂😂😂

[Greencore]

Canny wait for this sort of entertainment at ER.

[SteveHFC]

Booed off 😂😂😂

Very loud booing too.

I would rather watch highlights of this season again than sit through that.

[Itsnoteasy]

Yup.

Videos on Twitter now of Liverpool fans rushing gates and climbing walls and fences. Apparently they’ve stopped letting fans in because of the fans who are trying to force their way into the stadium with no tickets and/or forged tickets.

These ****ing idiots are going to kill people.

Deja vu

[Paulie Walnuts]

https://twitter.com/ArlArse666/status/1530626398095921152?t=aE5Paqf6VoAeg7d9MZ1Mtg&s=19

Doesn't fit your narrative does it.

What doesn’t? There’s about 3 Real Madrid fans there. There’s videos of absolutely loads of Liverpool fans trying to forcefully enter the stadium.

[brog]

I love how people sitting in Scotland know what's going on in Paris. I would have thought that after Hillsborough no one rushes to judgement. Why not just wait and see.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I love how people sitting in Scotland know what's going on in Paris. I would have thought that after Hillsborough no one rushes to judgement. Why not just wait and see.

The videos are quite clear. There’s no safety concern from crushing etc. they’re literally just climbing fences and storming gates to get into the stadium.

[brog]

The videos are quite clear. There’s no safety concern from crushing etc. they’re literally just climbing fences and storming gates to get into the stadium.

And presumably you know why that's happening?

[Brown Hibs]

What an utter embarrassment this final has been. The concert at the start even after it's already been delayed. Champions League is cringeworthy these days. Give me Hibs any day in the premier sports League cup.

[Itsnoteasy]

I love how people sitting in Scotland know what's going on in Paris. I would have thought that after Hillsborough no one rushes to judgement. Why not just wait and see.

Difference with Hillsborough & Heysel was no immediate footage from mobile phones. Pretty clear it's Liverpool fans up to no good as usual.

[HoboHarry]

I'll confidently predict that when all is analyzed, the French authorities will take a huge amount of flak.

[Stairway 2 7]

I love how people sitting in Scotland know what's going on in Paris. I would have thought that after Hillsborough no one rushes to judgement. Why not just wait and see.

Indeed. Taking small clips to say for certain what is happening.

I've heard a number of journalists say as early 5pm it was an absolute farce getting in

[Jones28]

You could turn around and say these things only seem to happen with English fans but the cup finals in England go off without a hitch.

The daily mail is reporting Liverpool fans with tickets were being held in queues for 2.5 hours.

[Chorley Hibee]

Difference with Hillsborough & Heysel was no immediate footage from mobile phones. Pretty clear it's Liverpool fans up to no good as usual.

You've got no idea, so don't let your hatred of Liverpool or Scousers cloud your judgement.

I've already supplied one video of Real Madrid fans climbing the gates to get in at the opposite end of the stadium.

Unsurprisingly though all the Liverpool haters don't want to comment on that!

[brog]

Difference with Hillsborough & Heysel was no immediate footage from mobile phones. Pretty clear it's Liverpool fans up to no good as usual.

As I said, why rush to judgement? I have no idea what's happening and I suspect that's true for most of us watching.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

We should scrub this thread and start a fresh one about football.

[JoeT]

McManaman rushing to judgement in the first minute of commentary condemning police for tear gassing families and kids....pretty poor

[Paulie Walnuts]

What a save from Courtois.

[Chorley Hibee]

As I said, why rush to judgement? I have no idea what's happening and I suspect that's true for most of us watching.

Of course it is, but some blinkered people let their hatred of Liverpool/Scousers influence their judgement.

Plenty of journalists (that would be quite quick to jump on the bad Liverpool supporter narrative given half the chance) commenting on the dreadful behaviour of the police and poor organisation.

Has affected both sets of fans, but there are considerably more Liverpool fans in attendance than Real Madrid.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Of course it is, but some blinkered people let their hatred of Liverpool/Scousers influence their judgement.

Plenty of journalists (that would be quite quick to jump on the bad Liverpool supporter narrative given half the chance) commenting on the dreadful behaviour of the police and poor organisation.

Has affected both sets of fans, but there are considerably more Liverpool fans in attendance than Real Madrid.

Wtf are you on about hatred? :faf:

[Callum_62]

May I be the first to say

Calm down, calm down.

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[JoeT]

Fans travelling without tickets is a big issue that host cities underestimate. Easy for us to say stay at home if you don't have a ticket.....

[Hibby70]

Loads of Liverpool fans sitting on the exit steps
Safe to say there's a few more fans in than there should be

[Itsnoteasy]

I take the point. What about Heysel, if we are being completely callous!

Ah no comment. Now that's a surprise.
Let's not forget the 14 Liverpool fans convicted of manslaughter for Heysel.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Fans travelling without tickets is a big issue that host cities underestimate. Easy for us to say stay at home if you don't have a ticket.....

There’s nothing wrong with travelling. Good on them for doing it.

Just don’t try and force your way into the stadium without a ticket putting peoples lives at risk.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Loads of Liverpool fans sitting on the exit steps
Safe to say there's a few more fans in than there should be

There’s two sets of steps that you pretty much can’t even see there’s that many. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s like that all the way round the Liverpool end, those two sets of steps just happen to be the ones the cameras pick up.

[Stairway 2 7]

Fans travelling without tickets is a big issue that host cities underestimate. Easy for us to say stay at home if you don't have a ticket.....

Doesn't answer why multiple journalists were saying there was huge problems hours before the game. If you had a dodgy ticket you wouldn't go hours before generally

[monarch]

Gangways in Real end completely clear. Liverpool gangways chock a block with fans.

[Stairway 2 7]

Mail and evening standard journalists

Rob Draper
@draper_rob
When you get to stadium, Liverpool fans are being channelled away from their end to the Madrid end! And there is one tiny entrance for ticket holders. When I left there was whistling and it was tense. It was totally blocked. Now in the stadium, LFC end noticeably empty

And just to be clear these were fans arriving at 7pm, two hours before kick off

Sarah Tudor
@sarahtudor12
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We arrived 120 mins before kick off. The crush at gate Z is terrifying. Police are now spraying tear gas and water canons

[Chorley Hibee]

There’s nothing wrong with travelling. Good on them for doing it.

Just don’t try and force your way into the stadium without a ticket putting peoples lives at risk.

You've got no idea whether they had tickets or not.

I guess all the journalists who are currently tweeting about the disgraceful behaviour of the French police, and the lack of organisation, are lying?

If Hibs were in this game tonight, and I'd spent a small fortune to attend this game, and was in a similar situation to some of these fans that have tickets, then you'd bet that I'd be scaling a fence to get in too.

[Chorley Hibee]

Mail and evening standard journalists

Rob Draper
@draper_rob
When you get to stadium, Liverpool fans are being channelled away from their end to the Madrid end! And there is one tiny entrance for ticket holders. When I left there was whistling and it was tense. It was totally blocked. Now in the stadium, LFC end noticeably empty

And just to be clear these were fans arriving at 7pm, two hours before kick off

Sarah Tudor
@sarahtudor12
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We arrived 120 mins before kick off. The crush at gate Z is terrifying. Police are now spraying tear gas and water canons

The Liverpool haters aren't interested, they've made their minds up already.

[Paulie Walnuts]

You've got no idea whether they had tickets or not.

I guess all the journalists who are currently tweeting about the disgraceful behaviour of the French police, and the lack of organisation, are lying?

If Hibs were in this game tonight, and I'd spent a small fortune to attend this game, and was in a similar situation to some of these fans that have tickets, then you'd bet that I'd be scaling a fence to get in too.

:faf:

Aye you’re right. There’s that many fans in the liverpool end that you can’t even see full sets of stairs. Still though, they all have tickets 🤥

There’s fans acting like idiots. They’re putting peoples lives at risks. You can sit here and deny it all you want.

[easty]

The Liverpool haters aren't interested, they've made their minds up already.

Who are the Liverpool haters? Are you a Liverpool fan? Away and have a cup of tea or something...chill out.

[Callum_62]

You've got no idea whether they had tickets or not.

I guess all the journalists who are currently tweeting about the disgraceful behaviour of the French police, and the lack of organisation, are lying?

If Hibs were in this game tonight, and I'd spent a small fortune to attend this game, and was in a similar situation to some of these fans that have tickets, then you'd bet that I'd be scaling a fence to get in too.Lol. What's scaling a fence gonna do? [emoji23]

Apart from start a chain reaction of idiocy

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[Libby Hibby]

I am no Liverpool hater however it is never their fans fault when these type of incidents occur.

[stoneyburn hibs]

You've got no idea whether they had tickets or not.

I guess all the journalists who are currently tweeting about the disgraceful behaviour of the French police, and the lack of organisation, are lying?

If Hibs were in this game tonight, and I'd spent a small fortune to attend this game, and was in a similar situation to some of these fans that have tickets, then you'd bet that I'd be scaling a fence to get in too.

Ffs

[Stairway 2 7]

Lol. What's scaling a fence gonna do? [emoji23]

Apart from start a chain reaction of idiocy

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I can see why Liverpool fans would be willing to scale a fence to stop being crushed. I dislike Liverpool as a team, but you'd be an idiot to disregard the multiple journalists saying it was hell hours before the game

[Stairway 2 7]

I am no Liverpool hater however it is never their fans fault when these type of incidents occur.

You sound like kelvin Mackenzie

[Paulie Walnuts]

Surely a goal that?

[Chorley Hibee]

:faf:

Aye you’re right. There’s that many fans in the liverpool end that you can’t even see full sets of stairs. Still though, they all have tickets 🤥

There’s fans acting like idiots. They’re putting peoples lives at risks. You can sit here and deny it all you want.

Okay, I'll ignore the reports from the journalists there and listen to you - sat in your living room scrolling twitter desperately for some footage to support your narrative.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Okay, I'll ignore the reports from the journalists there and listen to you - sat in your living room scrolling twitter desperately for some footage to support your narrative.

:faf:

You’re happy enough to ignore all the videos and the journalists who are saying the exact same as me to be fair.

Wonder how much a ticket for the stairs was.

[Chorley Hibee]

:faf:

You’re happy enough to ignore all the videos and the journalists who are saying the exact same as me to be fair.

Wonder how much a ticket for the stairs was.

What journalists? I'll wait....

[Bobby's Cinema]

Hope this doesn't translate into a boring 120mins 0-0.
:offski:

[ekhibee]

Why was the Real Madrid goal disallowed?

[brog]

Jeez! Why not wait and see? I watched Hillsborough unfold live on TV. The truth was very different to the narrative on that day. FWIW I have zero affinity to Liverpool. I just can't believe people rushing to judgment despite prior experiences.

[Mr Grieves]

I have no idea what the offside rule is now

[ekhibee]

I have no idea what the offside rule is now
I'm the same, I can't see how Benzema could possibly have been offside, there was a Liverpool defender in front of him, but maybe the rules have changed. Again.

[Jones28]

Conclusive from the ref there imo

[Stairway 2 7]

I'm the same, I can't see how Benzema could possibly have been offside, there was a Liverpool defender in front of him, but maybe the rules have changed. Again.

No goalkeeper behind so needs 2 defenders

[Stairway 2 7]

:faf:

You’re happy enough to ignore all the videos and the journalists who are saying the exact same as me to be fair.

Wonder how much a ticket for the stairs was.

One video I've seen is Liverpool fans crushed and jumping over a wall. Many journalists said it was a bad crush.

Thankfully many managed to scale fences at Hillsborough to safety. Liverpool haven't had any issues like like in hundreds of European games in 30 odd years, including multiple finals

[brog]

Difference with Hillsborough & Heysel was no immediate footage from mobile phones. Pretty clear it's Liverpool fans up to no good as usual.

As I said, why rush to judgement? I have no idea what's happening and I suspect that's true for most of us watching.

[GreenCastle]

VAR is so rubbish for fans in the stadium.

Show the replay on the screen!!!

[heretoday]

Real will win.

[Chorley Hibee]

Who are the Liverpool haters? Are you a Liverpool fan? Away and have a cup of tea or something...chill out.

No, but generations of my family from the city, including a cousin who is at the fan park in Paris tonight.

My uncle lost his friend at Hillsborough too.

Just tired of this false narrative of Liverpool and the overwhelming majority of their support, especially from people with an axe to grind and absolutely no idea of what is actually happening there.

[HoboHarry]

I hope Peter Schmeichel is OK. Hes providing analysis here and he looks drawn.

[Paulie Walnuts]

No, but generations of my family from the city, including a cousin who is at the fan park in Paris tonight.

My uncle lost his friend at Hillsborough too.

Just tired of this false narrative of Liverpool and the overwhelming majority of their support, especially from people with an axe to grind and absolutely no idea of what is actually happening there.

This has absolutely nothing to do with Hillsborough or fans at a fan park.

Twitter is awash with videos and reports of ticketless fans breaking through gates and scaling fences. It’s no false narrative.

You seem to have convinced yourself people are blaming the Liverpool fans because of the stadium disasters that have occurred when they’ve been playing previously when they’re completely irrelevant to what’s happening tonight.

[HoboHarry]

No goalkeeper behind so needs 2 defenders

It's been that way for a long time, as long as I can remember back.

[Chorley Hibee]

This has absolutely nothing to do with Hillsborough or fans at a fan park.

Twitter is awash with videos and reports of ticketless fans breaking through gates and scaling fences. It’s no false narrative.

Still waiting on these journalists you told me about that support your version of events??

[Paulie Walnuts]

Still waiting on these journalists you told me about that support your version of events??

https://twitter.com/raecomm/status/1530626411475742723?s=21&t=Sg-nLxNIy8Uj-MN7UG0JCQ

[Chorley Hibee]

This has absolutely nothing to do with Hillsborough or fans at a fan park.

Twitter is awash with videos and reports of ticketless fans breaking through gates and scaling fences. It’s no false narrative.

You seem to have convinced yourself people are blaming the Liverpool fans because of the stadium disasters that have occurred when they’ve been playing previously when they’re completely irrelevant to what’s happening tonight.

And it's not irrelevant, Hillsborough was the perfect example of a false narrative of events being peddled.

[Callum_62]

I can see why Liverpool fans would be willing to scale a fence to stop being crushed. I dislike Liverpool as a team, but you'd be an idiot to disregard the multiple journalists saying it was hell hours before the gameScaling a fence to stop getting crushed isn't the same as scaling a fence to get into a football match

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[ekhibee]

It's been that way for a long time, as long as I can remember back.

Good for you I didn't know.

[Cat Stanton]

The comments on this thread about the scenes outside the ground and the fans are unspeakable. No-one knows what happened, so no-one can blame anyone at this point. Social media may have portrayed the accurate picture, or - as happens - it may have not. Mental unbalanced stuff being posted.

[Paulie Walnuts]

And it's not irrelevant, Hillsborough was the perfect example of a false narrative of events being peddled.

Hillsborough is irrelevant to what’s going on tonight. You’re the only one who seems to think people are coming to their conclusions because of Hillsborough.

[Smartie]

I have no idea what the offside rule is now

The only thing that Peter Walton has clarified there is that I clearly have no idea what the offside rule is now either.

[Stairway 2 7]

https://twitter.com/raecomm/status/1530626411475742723?s=21&t=Sg-nLxNIy8Uj-MN7UG0JCQ

A reporter saying it looks peaceful but delay could be ticketless fans and poor organisation?

[Chorley Hibee]

https://twitter.com/raecomm/status/1530626411475742723?s=21&t=Sg-nLxNIy8Uj-MN7UG0JCQ

Now read his follow on tweet.

[Paulie Walnuts]

A reporter saying it looks peaceful but delay could be ticketless fans and poor organisation?

“Part of the delay seems to stem from ticketless Liverpool fans trying to gain entry”.

[Stairway 2 7]

It's been that way for a long time, as long as I can remember back.

Yep that would have been offside for as long as I can remember

[Smartie]

As I said, why rush to judgement? I have no idea what's happening and I suspect that's true for most of us watching.

You’re spot on.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Now read his follow on tweet.

And is ALSO to do with organisational problems.

[Stairway 2 7]

“Part of the delay seems to stem from ticketless Liverpool fans trying to gain entry”.

To be fair, ZDF commentator Béla Réthy has added that eyewitness reports outside say it is peaceful & also to do with organisational problems

As conclusive as ten second video clips

[Callum_62]

I wonder what the organisational problems were?

Not as if it's Parc de prances first rodeo

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[Paulie Walnuts]

To be fair, ZDF commentator Béla Réthy has added that eyewitness reports outside say it is peaceful & also to do with organisational problems

As conclusive as ten second video clips

Key word being also.

Nobody has suggested the organisation has been flawless.

[Stairway 2 7]

I wonder what the organisational problems were?

Not as if it's Parc de prances first rodeo

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Half dozen commentators were saying crushes hours before the game. Have the tried to tighten security after the terrorist attacks there?

[Stairway 2 7]

Key word being also.

Nobody has suggested the organisation has been flawless.

Agreed everyone is saying organisation a disaster

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Paul Waugh
@paulwaugh
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1h
My brother is at the Liverpool v Real game, says dreadful lack of police, terrible stewarding, says crowd management felt totally unsafe. Says culprits appear to be locals not Liverpool or Real fans

[BILLYHIBS]

Gooooooaaaaaalllllllllll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ekhibee]

Yep that would have been offside for as long as I can remember

All a learning experience for me in that case, thanks to both of you for pointing it out. For me on the face of it, it's a daft rule, if the goalkeeper is out of position that's his fault but I don't make the rules.

[Callum_62]

1-0 Madrid

Might be offside?

What a lovely passage of play starting with modrics brilliant pass breaking the line

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[Chorley Hibee]

Hillsborough is irrelevant to what’s going on tonight. You’re the only one who seems to think people are coming to their conclusions because of Hillsborough.

It is relevant, because then (as now) people were quick to come to a conclusion on events that they had no idea about. Those lies stuck, and with some they continue to stick.

You have nothing but a few clips from twitter of fans climbing a gate (both sets of fans) and a wall (whilst being crushed).

You have no idea about the events that led to these situations, or whether the people you see had tickets or not.

So try approaching the situation with an open mind, instead of letting your opinion of Liverpool FC, or its support, cloud your judgement.

[JoeT]

Great goal. Modric instrumental

[Stairway 2 7]

Hard one as I dislike Liverpool but probably dislike francos Madrid more, horrible club.

[cabbageandribs1875]

can we keep this thread


it's a bit of a chortle :greengrin


chillax jeezo

[Stairway 2 7]

Gary Lineker 💙💛
@GaryLineker
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2h
Finding it impossible to get in the ground. This appears to be very dangerous. Absolute carnage

I’m not sure it’s possible to have a more poorly organised event if you tried. Absolutely shambolic and dangerous.
@UEFAcom

They’ve just announced another 15 minute delay “because of the late arrival of fans”. Utter bull****

Miguel Delaney
@MiguelDelaney

Should be stressed that Liverpool fans who got here three hours ago have had trouble get in.

The official announcement in the stadium is stating it as "due the late arrival of fans" - which does not seem to be accurate

[Callum_62]

Gary Lineker [emoji170][emoji169]
@GaryLineker
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Finding it impossible to get in the ground. This appears to be very dangerous. Absolute carnage

I’m not sure it’s possible to have a more poorly organised event if you tried. Absolutely shambolic and dangerous.
@UEFAcom

They’ve just announced another 15 minute delay “because of the late arrival of fans”. Utter bull****

Miguel Delaney
@MiguelDelaney

Should be stressed that Liverpool fans who got here three hours ago have had trouble get in.

The official announcement in the stadium is stating it as "due the late arrival of fans" - which does not seem to be accurateMiguels obviosuly never been held up at airport security [emoji44]

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[CmoantheHibs]

What’s the point in having the simulation rule when vicinctious JR gets away with that. Clear as day a dive to get a free kick.

[blackpoolhibs]

I'm pretty sure John McGinn couldnt shoot as good as Naby Keita.:faf:

[Aldo]

Some poor performances in red this evening.


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[Jones28]

Courtois has been phenomenal.


FT 1-0

[Chorley Hibee]

An absolute masterclass in defending from Real Madrid.

A few Liverpool legs look to be struggling.

[CmoantheHibs]

Crap final. Boring anti-football by Madrid. 🥱

[Nakedmanoncrack]

It is relevant, because then (as now) people were quick to come to a conclusion on events that they had no idea about. Those lies stuck, and with some they continue to stick.

You have nothing but a few clips from twitter of fans climbing a gate (both sets of fans) and a wall (whilst being crushed).

You have no idea about the events that led to these situations, or whether the people you see had tickets or not.

So try approaching the situation with an open mind, instead of letting your opinion of Liverpool FC, or its support, cloud your judgement.

People are always quick to come to a conclusion - especially when they have a bias for or against, it goes both ways. I've no issue with condemning Hibs fans when some are in the wrong, others struggle with that concept.

[Itsnoteasy]

And it's not irrelevant, Hillsborough was the perfect example of a false narrative of events being peddled.

You keep banging on about Hillsborough. But don't seem to mention Heysel 🤫

[Hibernia&Alba]

I went upstairs to avoid it. Though I'm very glad Liverpool lost, it seems they should have won but squandered lots of chances, with Courtois MOTM.

As long as Klopp is there, Liverpool will remain amongst the best teams. I'm hoping he leaves sooner rather than later.

As for Real, fourteen European Cups is outrageous. They had such a tough run to the trophy this year and rode their luck, but they won it yet again.

[heretoday]

Real must have the best defence in the world. Every time the ball came across it was repulsed by a defender.

Liverpool had their chances but so did Real at the other end, including a goal which was chalked off for arguable reasons.

I thought Alaba had a great match but any player from the Real defence would have qualified.

[Hibbyradge]

A fabulous game of football. Two different styles and a man of the match performance from the Real keeper.

Liverpool could have been out of sight by half time, but the second half was quite different, although I didn't work out why.

I really enjoyed the game even though I lost my interest bet, £5 on 3-1 Liverpool

[He's here!]

Half dozen commentators were saying crushes hours before the game. Have the tried to tighten security after the terrorist attacks there?

'Thousands of Liverpool fans tried to gain entry with counterfeit tickets which did not work at the turnstiles' according to organisers. This was partly responsible for the overcrowding.

[Hibernia&Alba]

'Thousands of Liverpool fans tried to gain entry with counterfeit tickets which did not work at the turnstiles' according to organisers. This was partly responsible for the overcrowding.

There will need to be a proper inquiry into what happened. Something went badly wrong.

[DIXIHIBS]

I wonder what the organisational problems were?

Not as if it's Parc de prances first rodeo

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It was at the stade de france.

[The Baldmans Comb]

That was a fascinating game of football and very admirable fighting performance from the English lads.✅

You have to feel sorry for the self loathing Scots who attached themselves to the English team and inevitabltbly it will be Man City next year.

[Hibbyradge]

That was a fascinating game of football and very admirable fighting performance from the English lads.✅

You have to feel sorry for the self loathing Scots who attached themselves to the English team and inevitabltbly it will be Man City next year.

Self loathing Scots? :wtf:

[CB Hibs 68]

Well that’s been a good week and a half .Rangers beat.Hearts beat .City win the league and now Liverpool beat.

[Stairway 2 7]

'Thousands of Liverpool fans tried to gain entry with counterfeit tickets which did not work at the turnstiles' according to organisers. This was partly responsible for the overcrowding.

They are going to say that. But when there was crushes 3 hours before the game that is clearly pish. The tannoys were initially blaming everyone turning up late so couldn't get everyone in on time.

I'm presuming Gary Lineker had press or posh seats. He was saying 2 hours before it started it was a farce and he was struggling to get into the stadium

[kaimendhibs]

Alan Shearer said he and others had to bail the car 1 mile from stadium. It was chaos, he and the others almost got separated and only made broadcast time by skin of teeth.
Yet Uefa claim its because fans tried to get in with fake tickets.
Incompetent liars

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[LustForLeith]

How many Liverpool fans made it in without a ticket?

It this is true (I believe there’s footage of it) then can they expect to play games behind closed doors like England have to?

[MKHIBEE]

I have no idea if Liverpool fans tried to get in without tickets or not or what caused the chaos outside the ground but, as far as I know, the Madrid fans experienced no problems at all. One would have thought that the procedures for getting the fans into the stadium would have been the same at all entrances.

[Phil MaGlass]

Liverpool fans definitely climbed over the fences, my mate sent me the footage, I have seen it on Dutch tv aswell. You would think they would have learned from hillsborough, f,n idiots. The tv also mentioned the chaos of getting to the stadium, roads blocked/packed only one road to the ground. It had nothing to do with folk turning up late, just a pi55 poor infrastructure.

[Pagan Hibernia]

Liverpool fans definitely climbed over the fences, my mate sent me the footage, I have seen it on Dutch tv aswell. You would think they would have learned from hillsborough, f,n idiots. The tv also mentioned the chaos of getting to the stadium, roads blocked/packed only one road to the ground. It had nothing to do with folk turning up late, just a pi55 poor infrastructure.

Football fans were treated like animals yet again by the authorities and police.

[He's here!]

They are going to say that. But when there was crushes 3 hours before the game that is clearly pish. The tannoys were initially blaming everyone turning up late so couldn't get everyone in on time.

I'm presuming Gary Lineker had press or posh seats. He was saying 2 hours before it started it was a farce and he was struggling to get into the stadium

What would be the reason for closing so many turnstiles so early though? If it was a malfunction why didn't they just say so rather than issue a statement about fake tickets?

[Radium]

And yet Liverpool fans are acting like utter idiots as the England fans did in the summer last year.

The way English football fans are behaving nowadays when big games come round will see someone killed.

Not sure this stands up to much scrutiny. It is also racist


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[Radium]

I take the point. What about Heysel, if we are being completely callous!

The 39 deaths were the result of Liverpool fans charging into the Juve area. Fans were identified, extradited and jailed for the deaths.

The Police Commander was also convicted for his part.

… the victims are also remembered at one of the two memorials at Anfield.

15 hours on from last night, it’s not the fans of a club that have been on both sides of unnecessary tragedy that are the focus of what went on


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[Paulie Walnuts]

Not sure this stands up to much scrutiny. It is also racist


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Err.. what? :faf:

[TAHibby]

I've no idea why people are so quick to gobble up what UEFA and rival fans on social media say, we should be united against these kind of injustices, it affects all football fans

https://metro.co.uk/2022/05/29/uefa-champions-league-final-the-real-story-of-the-carnage-liverpool-fans-faced-in-paris-16730799/

https://twitter.com/draper_rob/status/1530830463270518785?t=l9K3_1jaQkK64sFsU7BbFQ&s=19

[Pagan Hibernia]

I've no idea why people are so quick to gobble up what UEFA and rival fans on social media say, we should be united against these kind of injustices, it affects all football fans

https://metro.co.uk/2022/05/29/uefa-champions-league-final-the-real-story-of-the-carnage-liverpool-fans-faced-in-paris-16730799/

https://twitter.com/draper_rob/status/1530830463270518785?t=l9K3_1jaQkK64sFsU7BbFQ&s=19

absolutely right. :agree:

[Stairway 2 7]

What would be the reason for closing so many turnstiles so early though? If it was a malfunction why didn't they just say so rather than issue a statement about fake tickets?

Didn't close them, didn't have them open at all. Only one set of turnstiles open for all the Liverpool fans including dignitaries. Alan shearer said he just made kick off after being there 2 and a half hours before the game. Lack of staff being reported

[Stairway 2 7]

I've no idea why people are so quick to gobble up what UEFA and rival fans on social media say, we should be united against these kind of injustices, it affects all football fans

https://metro.co.uk/2022/05/29/uefa-champions-league-final-the-real-story-of-the-carnage-liverpool-fans-faced-in-paris-16730799/

https://twitter.com/draper_rob/status/1530830463270518785?t=l9K3_1jaQkK64sFsU7BbFQ&s=19

People should really read them first before commenting

[StarryPloughHSC]

Err.. what? :faf:

ffs haha how the **** is that racist

[He's here!]

Didn't close them, didn't have them open at all. Only one set of turnstiles open for all the Liverpool fans including dignitaries. Alan shearer said he just made kick off after being there 2 and a half hours before the game. Lack of staff being reported

How could there be a lack of staff? It wasn't some impromptu event. It was presumably months in the planning. And would the turnstiles be manned anyway? I'd have thought they were computerised. I just don't get how the turnstiles for Real Madrid fans seemed to operate flawlessly while those at the other end seemed to be so badly compromised. As I say, if there was a computer/mechanical fault for this section of turnstiles why was this not made clear? These things happen - and surely better to state this than putting out a statement that forged tickets caused the backlog if that simply wasn't true?

[He's here!]

The 39 deaths were the result of Liverpool fans charging into the Juve area. Fans were identified, extradited and jailed for the deaths.

The Police Commander was also convicted for his part.

… the victims are also remembered at one of the two memorials at Anfield.

15 hours on from last night, it’s not the fans of a club that have been on both sides of unnecessary tragedy that are the focus of what went on


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What still beggars belief about Heysel is that the game went ahead and was played to a finish.

[WeeRussell]

Not sure this stands up to much scrutiny. It is also racist


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Dear lord 😂

More accuracy than racism in his post. That’s for sure.

[Hibernia&Alba]

ffs haha how the **** is that racist



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[Stairway 2 7]

How could there be a lack of staff? It wasn't some impromptu event. It was presumably months in the planning. And would the turnstiles be manned anyway? I'd have thought they were computerised. I just don't get how the turnstiles for Real Madrid fans seemed to operate flawlessly while those at the other end seemed to be so badly compromised. As I say, if there was a computer/mechanical fault for this section of turnstiles why was this not made clear? These things happen - and surely better to state this than putting out a statement that forged tickets caused the backlog if that simply wasn't true?

There is a world wide staffing crisis there was adverts for staff on most shop windows when I was there in Feb, also why air France, British Airways and easy jet are cancelling so many flights.

Did you read the articles posted above or the dozens of non Liverpool journalists saying it was a farce as much as 3 hours getting to the game. The evening standard journalist saying she was in a petrifying crush 2 hours before the game. I doubt you have to be honest.

[ancient hibee]

How could there be a lack of staff? It wasn't some impromptu event. It was presumably months in the planning. And would the turnstiles be manned anyway? I'd have thought they were computerised. I just don't get how the turnstiles for Real Madrid fans seemed to operate flawlessly while those at the other end seemed to be so badly compromised. As I say, if there was a computer/mechanical fault for this section of turnstiles why was this not made clear? These things happen - and surely better to state this than putting out a statement that forged tickets caused the backlog if that simply wasn't true?

It wasn't months in the planning it was switched from Russia.

[StarryPloughHSC]

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hahaha superb mate

[SteveHFC]

https://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/uploads/monthly_2022_05/Screenshot_20220529-130250_Reddit.jpg.6847b10ce380012c6601a218a91776c0 .jpg

[WeeRussell]

https://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/uploads/monthly_2022_05/Screenshot_20220529-130250_Reddit.jpg.6847b10ce380012c6601a218a91776c0 .jpg

I thought the booing at the end of the performance may have annoyed her more!

[He's here!]

There is a world wide staffing crisis there was adverts for staff on most shop windows when I was there in Feb, also why air France, British Airways and easy jet are cancelling so many flights.

Did you read the articles posted above or the dozens of non Liverpool journalists saying it was a farce as much as 3 hours getting to the game. The evening standard journalist saying she was in a petrifying crush 2 hours before the game. I doubt you have to be honest.

I think you're misinterpreting what I'm asking. I'm not trying to defend the organisers, just bemused as to why they wouldn't open turnstiles without good reason.

Yes I read the articles, clearly a chaotic and highly dangerous situation, but neither article offers any explanation as to why the police saw fit to make access to the stadium so problematical yet we have heard of no difficulties at the Real Madrid end. Much still to come out on this shambles I imagine.

[bigwheel]

I thought the booing at the end of the performance may have annoyed her more!

Probably wouldn’t have heard it with her ear buds in …tbh , these things are rarely good at football matches ..fans just want the game to go ahead , particularly after a delay …

[WeeRussell]

Probably wouldn’t have heard it with her ear buds in …tbh , these things are rarely good at football matches ..fans just want the game to go ahead , particularly after a delay …

Oh I completely agree. I remarked last night that it’s getting a bit ‘superbowlish’.

If hibs were in a European final (I know, I know) I wouldn’t even want the stones playing 10 mins before kickoff!

I assumed the boos were from Liverpool fans unhappy about the pre-match shenanigans in any case. Sure they booed as the champions league music played also.

[He's here!]

It wasn't months in the planning it was switched from Russia.

It was switched in February. Even allowing for that, surely adequate time to prepare for such an event.

[Stairway 2 7]

I think you're misinterpreting what I'm asking. I'm not trying to defend the organisers, just bemused as to why they wouldn't open turnstiles without good reason.

Yes I read the articles, clearly a chaotic and highly dangerous situation, but neither article offers any explanation as to why the police saw fit to make access to the stadium so problematical yet we have heard of no difficulties at the Real Madrid end. Much still to come out on this shambles I imagine.

Real Madrid had straight access to 3 gates. Liverpool were taken away from where that stands access would normally be and tunneled to to 1 gate at the real end.

God knows why the usual access wasn't used. Staffing or perhaps the terrorist attempts at that stadium maybe. One thing is sure, it won't be getting a major final again soon

[SideBurns]

Fans' story coming out on Radio 5 Live '606' phone in. Sounds horrific, and the Paris polis with big questions to answer by the sound of it.

[Radium]

Err.. what? :faf:

Read the words you used. If you don’t see the racism you don’t understand what racism is.


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[Radium]

ffs haha how the **** is that racist

Read what was said, it is an inherently racist statement


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[Radium]

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Change one word and it is not racist


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[Radium]

Dear lord [emoji23]

More accuracy than racism in his post. That’s for sure.

Tell me what was accurate given the reports across multiple news outlets today. Are you another who doesn’t see the racism


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[Paulie Walnuts]

Read the words you used. If you don’t see the racism you don’t understand what racism is.


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:faf:

Yeah, that’ll be it. Myself and others on here don’t understand what racism is. You’re the only one who does clearly as you’re the only one who’s seeing any racism.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Change one word and it is not racist


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Any word? I’ll change the word fans to supporters if that’s the case.

[Mcbizz1998]

Change one word and it is not racist


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You think being English is a race? [emoji23]

[Libby Hibby]

Football fans were treated like animals yet again by the authorities and police.

Yet the Spanish fans got in with little issue

[Mcbizz1998]

Yet the Spanish fans got in with little issue

Hmm not true. Videos of people scaling the fences at the Madrid end.

[StarryPloughHSC]

Read what was said, it is an inherently racist statement


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[WeeRussell]

Tell me what was accurate given the reports across multiple news outlets today. Are you another who doesn’t see the racism


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Remarks re the English fans’ behaviour last year, and the fact it could lead to a fatality aren’t inaccurate regardless of what any news outlets are saying today.

And yes. I’m another who thinks you can remark on ‘English football fans’ without being racist.

[Radium]

:faf:

Yeah, that’ll be it. Myself and others on here don’t understand what racism is. You’re the only one who does clearly as you’re the only one who’s seeing any racism.

You jumped to conclusions about last night and then lumped all English fans together.

Lazy stereotypes on both occasions. Football violence isn’t an English problem, it’s a problem everywhere.

Projecting a negative stereotype onto a nationality is racism.


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[Paulie Walnuts]

You jumped to conclusions about last night and then lumped all English fans together.

Lazy stereotypes on both occasions. Football violence isn’t an English problem, it’s a problem everywhere.

Projecting a negative stereotype onto a nationality is racism.


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When did I say all English fans were acting like that? Go on, I’d love to see you point it out to me.

You’re now desperately making stuff up to try and see racism that blatantly isn’t even there. Bit ****ing weird really.

English football fans have acted disgracefully at the 2018 World Cup, at Euro 2020 and last night. That’s a fact and there’s absolutely no lazy stereotype about it.

[StarryPloughHSC]

You jumped to conclusions about last night and then lumped all English fans together.

Lazy stereotypes on both occasions. Football violence isn’t an English problem, it’s a problem everywhere.

Projecting a negative stereotype onto a nationality is racism.


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cant think of that many other countries who have had all their teams banned from europe at the same time for violence on the terraces

[Chorley Hibee]

Yet the Spanish fans got in with little issue

Plenty of trouble at the Madrid end too, as this Spanish reporter confirms.

https://twitter.com/Santos_Relevo/status/1530865687870246912?t=uNgPD0Mm3ZN0O-RbXzhnTg&s=19

Becoming more apparent by the moment that the narrative that Liverpool fans were to blame doesn't hold up to much scrutiny.

Everyone who was quick to jump to a conclusion, based on very little, should be ashamed.

[Stairway 2 7]

Scottish fans too. Andy Robertson said his family and friends thought it was hell getting in last night. His best mate got rejected at the door after waiting 2 hours for having a fake ticket, even though Andy had given him it the day before.

Real had double the entrances to get in so the comparison doesn't work. Liverpool have been to hundreds of European games without incident in the last few decades, including many finals.

Blaming them solely is very The Sun and Kelvin Mackenzie

[Paulie Walnuts]

Scottish fans too. Andy Robertson said his family and friends thought it was hell getting in last night. His best mate got rejected at the door after waiting 2 hours for having a fake ticket, even though Andy had given him it the day before.

Real had double the entrances to get in so the comparison doesn't work. Liverpool have been to hundreds of European games without incident in the last few decades, including many finals.

Blaming them solely is very The Sun and Kelvin Mackenzie

Saying ticketless fans forcing entry into the stadium are idiots is all very the sun? :faf:

Hillsborough seems to have given some fans a free pass to act as idiots judging by this forum as you don’t seem to be able to say that Liverpool fans have misbehaved anymore.

[Stairway 2 7]

Saying ticketless fans forcing entry into the stadium are idiots is all very the sun? :faf:

Hillsborough seems to have given some fans a free pass to act as idiots judging by this forum as you don’t seem to be able to say that Liverpool fans have misbehaved anymore.

Vilification of football fans when they were clearly treated like dirt as we have in the past. It doesn't matter what team it is. FWIW Liverpool are one of my most disliked clubs and I'm happy that all their glory hunting fans saw them lose, pity it was against francos favourites.

[Callum_62]

Plenty of trouble at the Madrid end too, as this Spanish reporter confirms.

https://twitter.com/Santos_Relevo/status/1530865687870246912?t=uNgPD0Mm3ZN0O-RbXzhnTg&s=19

Becoming more apparent by the moment that the narrative that Liverpool fans were to blame doesn't hold up to much scrutiny.

Everyone who was quick to jump to a conclusion, based on very little, should be ashamed.Steady on - ashamed?

A few folk on a Hibs message board says 'these fans are being bad'

Turns out these fans possibly wernt that bad

Folk being ashamed of themselves for that?



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[hibsbollah]

It’s obvious that Liverpool fans were treated really badly and some of the lack of empathy on this thread for fellow supporters who were put in danger the other night, whose shoes we could easily be in, is a bit depressing to be honest.

There’s been criticism of the policing in France as well, journos are reporting on it and opposition politicians asking for investigation.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Vilification of football fans when they were clearly treated like dirt as we have in the past. It doesn't matter what team it is. FWIW Liverpool are one of my most disliked clubs and I'm happy that all their glory hunting fans saw them lose, pity it was against francos favourites.

Treated like dirt? There’s videos of some fans bursting through a gate laughing there heads off. They weren’t running away from a crush or anything, they were literally just breaking into the stadium without tickets.

That’s the fans that are getting criticised and I’d suggest you know that fine well.

[hibsbollah]

Treated like dirt? There’s videos of some fans bursting through a gate laughing there heads off. They weren’t running away from a crush or anything, they were literally just breaking into the stadium without tickets.

That’s the fans that are getting criticised and I’d suggest you know that fine well.

If there’s a video, post a link and then we can judge it ourselves against the mountain of evidence that points to a mass breakdown in organisation and a violent overreaction by the police.

[Paulie Walnuts]

If there’s a video, post a link and then we can judge it ourselves against the mountain of evidence that points to a mass breakdown in organisation and a violent overreaction by the police.

I’m not going trawling back through Twitter hunting for videos I watched on Saturday night when this discussion began, you can if you like though.

[hibsbollah]

I’m not going trawling back through Twitter hunting for videos I watched on Saturday night when this discussion began, you can if you like though.

That’s fine, I’ll take it with a pinch of salt then.

[Paulie Walnuts]

That’s fine, I’ll take it with a pinch of salt then.

https://twitter.com/tilbidge/status/1530790708386349056?s=21&t=619xAAsPCi82_L39gk8Nwg

There you go.

You could also quite clearly see at the game that the stairwells were completely filled with fans in the liverpool end whilst there was no empty seats.

[Since452]

Looks like there was fault at both ends. The police went way OTT from what i've seen though. Anyway delighted Liverpool lost.

[hibsbollah]

https://twitter.com/tilbidge/status/1530790708386349056?s=21&t=619xAAsPCi82_L39gk8Nwg

There you go.

You could also quite clearly see at the game that the stairwells were completely filled with fans in the liverpool end whilst there was no empty seats.

Fine. That looks like an isolated incident against much more evidence of hundreds of innocent fans being terrorised and being kettled into a small space for no reason. I just hope I’m never in that situation going to a game.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Fine. That looks like an isolated incident against much more evidence of hundreds of innocent fans being terrorised and being kettled into a small space for no reason. I just hope I’m never in that situation going to a game.

Like I said, nobody is suggesting the fans who had issues with the police and genuinely done nothing wrong are a problem. Ticketless idiots forcing entry were/are a problem though.

Having seen the carnage of the Euro final at Wembley and the clear over population of the Liverpool end on Saturday though then it’s only a matter of time before something quite serious happens at a football game again and the fans who are forcefully entering these stadiums without tickets will be at fault.

[Chorley Hibee]

https://twitter.com/tilbidge/status/1530790708386349056?s=21&t=619xAAsPCi82_L39gk8Nwg

There you go.

You could also quite clearly see at the game that the stairwells were completely filled with fans in the liverpool end whilst there was no empty seats.

Most of the people in your video aren't wearing any colours and some even run past speaking French!

It's now been verified from countless sources that much of the trouble outside surrounded gangs of French youths robbing and assaulting Liverpool fans, and many trying to gain access to the stadium too.

With regards your continual comment regards the stairwells being full, the Liverpool support outside were eventually funnelled through a single entrance, regardless of where their tickets were in the stadium.

Once again, this has been verified by countless reputable sources, but unfortunately this will make no difference to your, increasingly weak, argument that Liverpool fans were the root cause of the problems.

FWIW, I've no doubt there were a few bams there supporting Liverpool, every club in the world has them, but the increasing evidence clearly shows that this was not the fault of the Liverpool support.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Most of the people in your video aren't wearing any colours and some even run past speaking French!

It's now been verified from countless sources that much of the trouble outside surrounded gangs of French youths robbing and assaulting Liverpool fans, and many trying to gain access to the stadium too.

With regards your continual comment regards the stairwells being full, the Liverpool support outside were eventually funnelled through a single entrance, regardless of where their tickets were in the stadium.

Once again, this has been verified by countless reputable sources, but unfortunately this will make no difference to your, increasingly weak, argument that Liverpool fans were the root cause of the problems.

FWIW, I've no doubt there were a few bams there supporting Liverpool, every club in the world has them, but the increasing evidence clearly shows that this was not the fault of the Liverpool support.

Plenty of them are wearing colours ffs, there’s absolutely loads of red shirts in there.

I don’t doubt there was French youths doing that as well. There was also Liverpool fans doing it, as the videos show.

If they were all funnelled in through the same entrance then why are so many of the stairwells filled with fans, why’s it not a single stairwell infront of a single entrance? Did some of them make there way round the stadium away from this single entrance to sit in a stairwell rather than there allocated seat just for the fun of it? Or is it because they didn’t have a seat?

The French sports minister has come out and indicated that ticketless Liverpool fans were breaking through barriers into the stadium but this won’t fit your narrative that Liverpool fans were faultless regardless of the fact there’s videos of their fans breaking into the stadium, will it?

[Bristolhibby]

So looking at Euro 2020 final at Wembley and Paris the thing here is ticketless FAs getting or an inappropriate way of funnelling fans to the actual stadiums.

There needs to be a series of well policed and defendable cordons. Remember Euro 2020 at Hampden. I know there was only 10k fans but it was like Fort Knox getting to the actual stadium. No chance of access unless you had an active ticket.

And that itself I thought was overkill but the geolocation activated WR code was brilliant at the Euros.

Problem at Wembley was the whole of England was going bananas at them reaching a final. Thousands turning up and milling around Wembley. The stations themselves should have been locked down unless you had a ticket.

J

[Chorley Hibee]

Plenty of them are wearing colours ffs, there’s absolutely loads of red shirts in there.

I don’t doubt there was French youths doing that as well. There was also Liverpool fans doing it, as the videos show.

If they were all funnelled in through the same entrance then why are so many of the stairwells filled with fans, why’s it not a single stairwell infront of a single entrance? Did some of them make there way round the stadium away from this single entrance to sit in a stairwell rather than there allocated seat just for the fun of it? Or is it because they didn’t have a seat?

The French sports minister has come out and indicated that ticketless Liverpool fans were breaking through barriers into the stadium but this won’t fit your narrative that Liverpool fans were faultless regardless of the fact there’s videos of their fans breaking into the stadium.

Yeah, I'm shocked that the French sports minister has tried to put the blame on Liverpool fans - rather than his own police force and the organisation involved.

Now where have I heard that before.

Just a pity that this time his argument has been debunked before it's even started.

Even Spanish journalists, who were present at the game, are putting the blame squarely on the French police and the organisation involved.

Madrid fans encountered the same problems, my earlier link confirms this, there were considerably less of them though and they had access to a lot more entrances than Liverpool fans did too.

I'm not familiar with the layout of the Stade de France, I suspect you aren't either, but I'd imagine that a single entrance provides you with access to a specific area of the stadium, but certainly more than one stairwell. It does at any stadium I've ever attended.

[Hibernian Verse]

So looking at Euro 2020 final at Wembley and Paris the thing here is ticketless FAs getting or an inappropriate way of funnelling fans to the actual stadiums.

There needs to be a series of well policed and defendable cordons. Remember Euro 2020 at Hampden. I know there was only 10k fans but it was like Fort Knox getting to the actual stadium. No chance of access unless you had an active ticket.

And that itself I thought was overkill but the geolocation activated WR code was brilliant at the Euros.

Problem at Wembley was the whole of England was going bananas at them reaching a final. Thousands turning up and milling around Wembley. The stations themselves should have been locked down unless you had a ticket.

J

Even for the LC Final and recent Semi there are cordons on the roads surrounding the stadium making sure only ticketed fans get through.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Yeah, I'm shocked that the French sports minister has tried to put the blame on Liverpool fans - rather than his own police force and the organisation involved.

Now where have I heard that before.

Just a pity that this time his argument has been debunked before it's even started.

Even Spanish journalists, who were present at the game, are putting the blame squarely on the French police and the organisation involved.

Madrid fans encountered the same problems, my earlier link confirms this, there were considerably less of them though and they had access to a lot more entrances than Liverpool fans did too.

I'm not familiar with the layout of the Stade de France, I suspect you aren't either, but I'd imagine that a single entrance provides you with access to a specific area of the stadium, but certainly more than one stairwell. It does at any stadium I've ever attended.

:faf:

Why does it not surprise me that a reputable source like the French Sports Minister - someone who would know exactly what was going on at a huge sport event in France- isn’t reputable enough for you.

Also, the French Sports Minister is a women and it’s not her own police force.

Journalists are of course reputable enough for you because that does fit your narrative in terms of what they’re saying. Remember what the journalists printed after Hillsborough? How reputable was that?

When you say reputable you may as well just come out and say it straight, you believe whoever is saying what you want to believe, not because they’re reputable.

[Libby Hibby]

It’s always someone else’s fault when Liverpool fans are involved.

[Broken Gnome]

I'm miles away from being a pro or anti-Liverpool, but it's actually maddening traipsing thorough Twitter/forums with folk so determined to push a view that's only backed by isolated evidence when there's scores more videos backing up the greater issue.

The one picture I've seen of a Liverpool fan gloating that he got in without a ticket, the Madrid fan getting punched after... they're hardly specific to the 'always Liverpool' narrative, either isolated act would happen with many other teams in similar situations. They're not right, but they hardly override the umpteen journalist or eyewitness accounts detailing at length the problems that were faced.

Too many Liverpool fans travelling... Since when was there a limit on that? Celtic and Rangers' Seville trips never attracted that sort of negativity?

Videos of Liverpool fans forcing the gates - it's not too much of a stretch to say these guys had tickets but we're in a queue with many locals who didn't. They can hardly hold position or move backwards if all the force is pushing them through gates.

I doubt you'd get an accurate figure on the amount of ticketless fans inside/outside the ground, but seems the policing and organisation would have been much the same had it just been the ticketed 80,000. Absolutely undeniable surely that the way fans were asked to approach and enter the ground - tight walking spaces, huge enforced delays, the panic caused by pepper spraying - failed miserably. That's on organisers, not fans who were largely doing as requested.

Really can't see how the limited evidence of Liverpool misbehaviour in any way can be used as a form of whataboutery. Pete from Toxteth gloating that he got in without a ticket isn't quite as universally damning as thousands hoarded up outside the ground.

Nonsense you'd have to consider arriving three hours early in the first place in any case. Bizarre ground as well - I remember going there with Scotland and ended up a third of the way round the ground looking for a hole in the ground that they had for a toilet, plus all the videos at gates and turnstiles look like fans are in the middle of nowhere rather than just outside an 80,000 seater stadium.

[Chorley Hibee]

:faf:

Why does it not surprise me that a reputable source like the French Sports Minister - someone who would know exactly what was going on at a huge sport event in France- isn’t reputable enough for you.. because it doesn’t fit your narrative.

Journalists are of course reputable enough for you because that does fit your narrative in terms of what they’re saying. Remember what the journalists printed after Hillsborough? How reputable was that?

When you say reputable you may as well just come out and say it straight, you mean what you want to believe, not reputable.

I'll await his evidence then - that thousands of Liverpool fans turned up ticketless and attempted to access the stadium illegally.

So far, he's provided nothing to substantiate his argument. His assertion that this was the cause of the problems is in stark contrast to the hundreds of witnesses their on the ground too.

It's also in stark contrast to the British police representatives that were there too.

As for your last comment, I'd suggest you review your own quick to judge manner before passing judgement on my own views.

[He's here!]

BBC: 'Fake tickets caused Champions League final chaos - France'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61630201

There does some to be dome mileage in the claims local groups caused problems by trying to force their way in, but then you'd assume they would have tried to do so at the Madrid end too.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I'll await his evidence then - that thousands of Liverpool fans turned up ticketless and attempted to access the stadium illegally.

So far, he's provided nothing to substantiate his argument. His assertion that this was the cause of the problems is in stark contrast to the hundreds of witnesses their on the ground too.

It's also in stark contrast to the British police representatives that were there too.

As for your last comment, I'd suggest you review your own quick to judge manner before passing judgement on my own views.

And yet you’ve awaited no evidence from your hundreds of ‘men on the ground’ who are going to be either Liverpool fans are mainly British sports journalists. When you’re shown evidence of Liverpool fans forcing entry into the stadium you try and claim next to none of them are Liverpool fans.

It would seem there’s only really a burden of proof when it’s not the side of the story you want to hear. When proof is given you make bizarre claims of next to none of these people being Liverpool fans.

When it’s the side of the story you want to hear you’re quite happy to tell of the hundreds of eye witnesses etc

[Chorley Hibee]

When it’s the side of the story you want to hear you’re quite happy to tell of the hundreds of eye witnesses etc

This sounds like a fair description of yourself at present.

Your argument looks weaker by the minute, and I'll await the French Government's evidence that Liverpool fans were to blame.

I am certain that it won't be forthcoming.

[Mcbizz1998]

:faf:

Why does it not surprise me that a reputable source like the French Sports Minister - someone who would know exactly what was going on at a huge sport event in France- isn’t reputable enough for you.

Also, the French Sports Minister is a women and it’s not her own police force.

Journalists are of course reputable enough for you because that does fit your narrative in terms of what they’re saying. Remember what the journalists printed after Hillsborough? How reputable was that?

When you say reputable you may as well just come out and say it straight, you believe whoever is saying what you want to believe, not because they’re reputable.

I wouldn’t trust the French to tell me which way to sit on the lavatory.

The evidence clearly refutes the story the French are coming out with.

[Paulie Walnuts]

This sounds like a fair description of yourself at present.

Your argument looks weaker by the minute, and I'll await the French Government's evidence that Liverpool fans were to blame.

I am certain that it won't be forthcoming.

Thing is, I’ve never once said that the police weren’t at fault to some degree.

You have literally come out and said that Liverpool fans were “not at fault” despite evidence showing them breaking into the stadium. To claim they’re not at fault is to claim that the fans breaking into the stadium were doing nothing wrong and weren’t contributing to the chaos which is simply laughable.

[CropleyWasGod]

I wouldn’t trust the French to tell me which way to sit on the lavatory.

The evidence clearly refutes the story the French are coming out with.

Thanks, Nigel 😏

[Itsnoteasy]

This sounds like a fair description of yourself at present.

Your argument looks weaker by the minute, and I'll await the French Government's evidence that Liverpool fans were to blame.

I am certain that it won't be forthcoming.

This thread is now 8 pages in & you have failed to answer my question about Heysel.

[Libby Hibby]

This thread is now 8 pages in & you have failed to answer my question about Heysel.

That atrocity never happened in the eyes of some.

[Bristolhibby]

I'm miles away from being a pro or anti-Liverpool, but it's actually maddening traipsing thorough Twitter/forums with folk so determined to push a view that's only backed by isolated evidence when there's scores more videos backing up the greater issue.

The one picture I've seen of a Liverpool fan gloating that he got in without a ticket, the Madrid fan getting punched after... they're hardly specific to the 'always Liverpool' narrative, either isolated act would happen with many other teams in similar situations. They're not right, but they hardly override the umpteen journalist or eyewitness accounts detailing at length the problems that were faced.

Too many Liverpool fans travelling... Since when was there a limit on that? Celtic and Rangers' Seville trips never attracted that sort of negativity?

Videos of Liverpool fans forcing the gates - it's not too much of a stretch to say these guys had tickets but we're in a queue with many locals who didn't. They can hardly hold position or move backwards if all the force is pushing them through gates.

I doubt you'd get an accurate figure on the amount of ticketless fans inside/outside the ground, but seems the policing and organisation would have been much the same had it just been the ticketed 80,000. Absolutely undeniable surely that the way fans were asked to approach and enter the ground - tight walking spaces, huge enforced delays, the panic caused by pepper spraying - failed miserably. That's on organisers, not fans who were largely doing as requested.

Really can't see how the limited evidence of Liverpool misbehaviour in any way can be used as a form of whataboutery. Pete from Toxteth gloating that he got in without a ticket isn't quite as universally damning as thousands hoarded up outside the ground.

Nonsense you'd have to consider arriving three hours early in the first place in any case. Bizarre ground as well - I remember going there with Scotland and ended up a third of the way round the ground looking for a hole in the ground that they had for a toilet, plus all the videos at gates and turnstiles look like fans are in the middle of nowhere rather than just outside an 80,000 seater stadium.

I’m going there for the rugby next February. I’ve driven past it a number of times and it is in the middle of nowhere and a load of schemes.

I shall be getting the train in and straight back to Paris ASAP.

J

[Chorley Hibee]

This thread is now 8 pages in & you have failed to answer my question about Heysel.

It was answered by someone else, I didn't see the point in saying the same thing again.

The Liverpool fans involved, rightly, were convicted and served time for their ghastly behaviour.

It is also right to say that the lead up to the disaster saw fighting by both sets of supporters, chaotic police organisation, and a crumbling, unfit for purpose stadium, which all played a part in the ensuing disaster.

That's not my opinion either, that was the findings of the official investigation.

The idea that it's not remembered by Liverpool and it's support is complete bull**** too. Liverpool's badge commemorates both Hysel and Hillsborough, and only yesterday (before their parade) Liverpool FC held their yearly memorial event for the 39 who sadly passed away.

[Mcbizz1998]

I’m going there for the rugby next February. I’ve driven past it a number of times and it is in the middle of nowhere and a load of schemes.

I shall be getting the train in and straight back to Paris ASAP.

J

I have gone to the rugby in Paris every other year since 1999. It is in the middle of nowhere but I can’t say I have ever noticed any “schemes”.

It’s more like being out at the Gyle surrounded by dual carriageways and office buildings. Barely anywhere to get a drink and pretty soulless. By far the worst away day in the 6 Nations. I’m going to Twickenham instead next year and can’t see myself going back to Paris in general, it’s not a pleasant experience.

[He's here!]

I’m going there for the rugby next February. I’ve driven past it a number of times and it is in the middle of nowhere and a load of schemes.

I shall be getting the train in and straight back to Paris ASAP.

J

I remember being there at France 98 which has made me realise it's not such a modern stadium as I was thinking.

You'd assume that for a match of this prestige and scale there would be rigorous tests/staff rehearsals/safety drills etc carried out beforehand to ensure smooth running of the event. Seems remarkable that the situation at the Liverpool turnstiles could descend into such chaos, although bearing in mind the age of the stadium perhaps turnstile malfunction was a genuine issue?

[Stairway 2 7]

https://twitter.com/tilbidge/status/1530790708386349056?s=21&t=619xAAsPCi82_L39gk8Nwg

There you go.

You could also quite clearly see at the game that the stairwells were completely filled with fans in the liverpool end whilst there was no empty seats.

That looks 90% French bairns tbh. But that is a police problem too. How are they within 200 metres of the stadium.

The mistake the French have made is not having a separate entrance for the press and dignitaries. If they were treated well they would just look down on normal fans.

Many dozens of journalists including Spanish left with like the guardian, rags like the mail, players families like Robertson and courtois, all said it was a nightmare hours before the game.

[Chorley Hibee]

Another Spanish media outlet present, clearly emphasising the issues at their end, and where the blame lies.

https://www.20minutos.es/deportes/noticia/5007262/0/cronica-atracos-pesadilla-aficionados-real-madrid-liverpool-final-champions-league/

[Scouse Hibee]

It’s always someone else’s fault when Liverpool fans are involved.

Stop talking pish,as Hillsborough proved so take that comment and ram it.

I’m not saying there wasn’t Liverpool fans at fault in Paris but that comment generalising every event is utter tosh.

[Stairway 2 7]

Another Spanish media outlet present, clearly emphasising the issues at their end, and where the blame lies.

https://www.20minutos.es/deportes/noticia/5007262/0/cronica-atracos-pesadilla-aficionados-real-madrid-liverpool-final-champions-league/

Sounds absolutely brutal. France is in a bad place right now. A choice between Macron and le pen couldn't have helped

[Libby Hibby]

Stop talking pish,as Hillsborough proved so take that comment and ram it.

I’m not saying there wasn’t Liverpool fans at fault in Paris but that comment generalising every event is utter tosh.

You have your opinions, I have mine. No need to make it personal.

Chuck in Heysel and more recently the Man City team bus attack and there does appear to be an element of the Liverpool support that think they can do what they want and claim it was someone else’s fault after the event.

[kaimendhibs]

Saying ticketless fans forcing entry into the stadium are idiots is all very the sun? :faf:

Hillsborough seems to have given some fans a free pass to act as idiots judging by this forum as you don’t seem to be able to say that Liverpool fans have misbehaved anymore.They didnt misbehave. They were corralled into a tiny space and were sprayed with tear gas. The ones climbing were trying to get out of the crush not into the stadium.

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[kaimendhibs]

Treated like dirt? There’s videos of some fans bursting through a gate laughing there heads off. They weren’t running away from a crush or anything, they were literally just breaking into the stadium without tickets.

That’s the fans that are getting criticised and I’d suggest you know that fine well.The police admitted they were French locals

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[kaimendhibs]

https://twitter.com/tilbidge/status/1530790708386349056?s=21&t=619xAAsPCi82_L39gk8Nwg

There you go.

You could also quite clearly see at the game that the stairwells were completely filled with fans in the liverpool end whilst there was no empty seats.They were French.

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[Paulie Walnuts]

The police admitted they were French locals

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No, they didn’t. They said some French locals were doing the same. That’s hugely different.

[kaimendhibs]

Thing is, I’ve never once said that the police weren’t at fault to some degree.

You have literally come out and said that Liverpool fans were “not at fault” despite evidence showing them breaking into the stadium. To claim they’re not at fault is to claim that the fans breaking into the stadium were doing nothing wrong and weren’t contributing to the chaos which is simply laughable.Cannae wait for your condemnation of The St. Ettiene fans. That at least would be accurate

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[Paulie Walnuts]

They didnt misbehave. They were corralled into a tiny space and were sprayed with tear gas. The ones climbing were trying to get out of the crush not into the stadium.

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They absolutely weren’t all trying to get out of a crush. Some of them, yes. There’s videos where there’s quite clearly no crush and just an attempt to break through a gate and get into the stadium. They’ve been posted on this very thread.

[kaimendhibs]

They absolutely weren’t all trying to get out of a crush. Some of them, yes. There’s videos where there’s quite clearly no crush and just an attempt to break through a gate and get into the stadium. They’ve been posted on this very thread.No point arguing with you. Blindly following your flawed narrative.

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[Stairway 2 7]

You have your opinions, I have mine. No need to make it personal.

Chuck in Heysel and more recently the Man City team bus attack and there does appear to be an element of the Liverpool support that think they can do what they want and claim it was someone else’s fault after the event.

I was a new born when heysel happened, so you could see why it would be ridiculous for someone like me to see it being used

Mind probably as ridiculous as me bringing up Franco to dislike real or Craig Leveins weak Kevin Carter for the wonders of using imodium

[hibsbollah]

This sounds like a fair description of yourself at present.

Your argument looks weaker by the minute, and I'll await the French Government's evidence that Liverpool fans were to blame.

I am certain that it won't be forthcoming.

Melenchon the opposition leader in France has taken the opposite view. Becoming a bit of a National talking point. Macrons government looking like idiots pushing the ticketless fans caused it narrative, unless some other evidence comes forward it’s clear the organisers and the usual thuggish French riot police were the main problem here.

[Paulie Walnuts]

No point arguing with you. Blindly following your flawed narrative.

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You’re right, there is no point.

There’s videos of fans breaking through a barrier and running into the stadium. There’s absolutely no crush of people behind them. If you’re going to blatantly ignore stuff like that and claim that Liverpool fans did not misbehave then as you say, there’s no point in arguing.

[kaimendhibs]

No, they didn’t. They said some French locals were doing the same. That’s hugely different.Why were they there?.

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[kaimendhibs]

You’re right, there is no point.

There’s videos of fans breaking through a barrier and running into the stadium. There’s absolutely no crush of people behind them. If you’re going to blatantly ignore stuff like that and claim that Liverpool fans did not misbehave then as you say, there’s no point in arguing.FFS. Have you read the reports, and listened to peoples stories?

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[Paulie Walnuts]

Why were they there?.

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For the same reason as some ticketless Liverpool fans were - to try and get into the game without tickets.