Malky Mackay - Yes or no

[Unseen work]

Someone that will be mentioned a lot during the period where we don’t have a manager.

What is everyone’s thoughts about appointing him?

He was involved in a big scandal 8 years ago where in 10,000 texts reviewed there was 6 offensive messages. The three sent by him were in relation to a female agent, male agent and South Korean player. The other 3 messages were sent to him.

The majority of people in football seem to really like him and say he’s a good guy, Harry Redknapp was one that publically came out and whilst admitted he was clearly in the wrong and had made a mistake that he’s a good guy.

He himself has came out and apologised and said he was in the wrong. Is that enough?

As a manager he’s had undoubted success most places he has been with the most recent being taking County into the top 6. He also seems to have alot of good contacts as he recruits well.

Does his messages sent 8 years ago mean people wouldn’t want him or would people be willing to put it in the past, say he apologised and take him for his ability. Or do some not want him as they don’t think he’s a good manager?

For those wanting more detail - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2731219/amp/Malky-Mackay-s-text-message-victims-What-said-response-followed.html

[Bronson]

I can’t seem to vote on the poll but its a yes from me. No doubt he’s a good manager, done a cracking job at county and did really well at cardiff.

You can’t hold some comments over the guys head for the rest of his life, it was nearly 10 years ago. We as a fanbase have hardly been purer than pure over the years have we?

[Onceinawhile]

I don't recall him having apologised tbh - where did he do this.

[Centre Hawf]

Not for me.

[bigwheel]

I don't recall him having apologised tbh - where did he do this.

Google it …there was lots covered on it at the time ..and later when he spoke about it and apologised again after he had gone through education on the topics

[the_ginger_hibee]

I don't recall him having apologised tbh - where did he do this.

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/malky-mackay-texts-leader-of-people-mackay-issues-grovelling-apology-for-text-scandal-9686834.html?amp

[Unseen work]

I don't recall him having apologised tbh - where did he do this.

https://youtu.be/458yA8L69sY

That was done at the time but I recall him apologising a couple of times since it happened

[Jones28]

Having seen a lot of the aftermath articles and read the apologies and various reccomendations from numerous charities and things I'm on the fence more now - but I still don't think I'd want him based on footballing abilities.

[Pretty Boy]

Yes if there is genuine contrition, a genuine apology and genuine change since his indiscretion. Oh and if he is the best candidate from a footballing point of view as well.

[Nicho87]

I think given the current divide between club and fans this would be the right appointment to push further distance between the two

[sauzee=legend]

Yes I would take.
In terms of comments - what about the song Deek was singing about Rudi……

[sahpaton]

Google it …there was lots covered on it at the time ..and later when he spoke about it and apologised again after he had gone through education on the topics

A man in his 40s shouldn’t require educational courses to recognise why what he said was offensive in the first place and I don’t believe that some classes and an apology show that he suddenly no longer holds those views.

Hibs could completely avoid this whole debate by not considering him from the outset.

[Latapy'sVolley]

Being involved with a professional football team, playing staff or management, like Hibs is a privilege that thousands of us could only dream of doing.

When you abuse your position in the game by being outed as sharing racist, homophobic, misogynist beliefs, you have abused that privilege, and in many other lines of work would never be able to return to the top. So why should it be any different in football?

And if that's not enough, post Cardiff he was sacked after 138 days from Wigan getting only 19 points from a potential 72.

No thanks.

[Hibiza]

No way !!!

[JeMeSouviens]

Yes if there is genuine contrition, a genuine apology and genuine change since his indiscretion. Oh and if he is the best candidate from a footballing point of view as well.

Nicely summed up. :agree:

[Sir David Gray]

Not for me. Not necessarily because of any comments he's made, I just don't think he would work out.

[BH Hibs]

No thanks.

[sadtom]

If he is ever at our club? I won’t be there, so long as he is.

[Unseen work]

Yes I would take.
In terms of comments - what about the song Deek was singing about Rudi……

I’m sure the Hibs fans that would sing that song will be along to tell you that’s different as it’s just a bit of fun…

[Bronson]

Being involved with a professional football team, playing staff or management, like Hibs is a privilege that thousands of us could only dream of doing.

When you abuse your position in the game by being outed as sharing racist, homophobic, misogynist beliefs, you have abused that privilege, and in many other lines of work would never be able to return to the top. So why should it be any different in football?

And if that's not enough, post Cardiff he was sacked after 138 days from Wigan getting only 19 points from a potential 72.

No thanks.

Do you not think people can make mistakes and move on with their careers? It was nearly a decade ago. I think given some of the songs we sung about Skacel, we may be throwing stones from a glass house.

His comments were very poor, but I can’t get on board with the cancel culture.

[Alan62]

Absolutely no for me. Regardless of the idiotic comments he made in the past just watch his behaviour on the touch line. Howling and bawling at the players from the first minute to the last as if every kick needs to be directed by him.


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[Harpandcastle]

Yes

[OldEast]

I have no strong views either way. I'm hoping Ron surprises us all with a bigger name but if he did get the job I'd support him.
I'm certainly not a drama queen with empty pointless threats of never going near Easter road as long as he's there.

[JamesHFC]

I met Malky and his family back in 2016 just before we won the Scottish Cup. Got to know them over a couple of days and he was a genuinely nice guy, a good family man and good company.

We spoke a bit about football, he talked about how much he enjoyed his time at Cardiff and how wonderful the fans were there, getting them promoted and beating Man City as well as getting to the league cup final and losing to Liverpool on penalties.

He asked who I support and I said Hibs and instantly he spoke about Stubbsy and how well he and us as a team were doing at that time. I did cheekily ask him if he ever fancied the gig one day and he said “you never know, I wouldn’t say no”.

Anyway, I understand why people wouldn’t want him based on the incidents in the past but from my experience of meeting him and his family on a personal level I would be more than happy to welcome him to the club and back him all the way. He’s a proven manager with a lot of good knowledge and connections in the game. I think Hibs should at the very least speak to him.

[Latapy'sVolley]

His comments were very poor, but I can’t get on board with the cancel culture.

Nobodies been 'cancelled' - he walked into a job at the SFA and manages in the top flight.

There's better candidates.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Yes if there is genuine contrition, a genuine apology and genuine change since his indiscretion. Oh and if he is the best candidate from a footballing point of view as well.

:agree:

[chippy]

I don't recall him having apologised tbh - where did he do this.

I’m sure I’d read that he’d done diversity training with an anti racist organisation and that they said he was ok

[sahpaton]

Do you not think people can make mistakes and move on with their careers? It was nearly a decade ago. I think given some of the songs we sung about Skacel, we may be throwing stones from a glass house.

His comments were very poor, but I can’t get on board with the cancel culture.

Wanting Hibs to avoid what would already quite clearly be a controversial managerial appointment isn’t whatever you think cancel culture is. The guy is currently employed within our league and receiving plaudits for his work.

[Bronson]

Nobodies been 'cancelled' - he walked into a job at the SFA and manages in the top flight.

There's better candidates.

The cancel culture comment is more a reference to the people who don’t want him purely on the basis of comments made 8 years ago, and not his ability as a football manager.

If you think there’s better candidates that’s a different conversation, obviously.

[SHODAN]

Would genuinely consider not renewing.

[MWHIBBIES]

Absolutely not. Bigot and a very average manager.

RC were the worst away team at ER by far this season.

[Golden Bear]

Its a yes from me.

Everyone makes mistakes in their lives, we learn from them and then we move on.

[Unseen work]

You know what, the more I think about it I can see Mackay getting the job. Rightly or wrongly.

I think Gordon seems the type to accept that people make mistakes and whilst
completely and undeniably wrong, it was 3 texts he sent 8 years ago.

I think he’ll weigh that up with what he is like in football and when you look at it at least on paper it ticks alot of boxes.

Experienced manager who players respect
Well respected and thought of in the football world
Good contacts
Managed at the highest level
Gets the best out of players
Does good work with a small budget

You just need to look at what he’s done at County. At the start of the season they were struggling for points despite apparently playing well. He then got them going and they haven’t looked back since. He’s got Charles Cook hit the best form of his career and recruited players like Clarke and Hungbo.

He’s done something we’ve struggled with and scored a lot of goals

5-0 v Dundee
2-2 v Rangers
4-2 v Rangers (defeat)
2-2 v Hearts
3-2 v Dundee
3-1 v Motherwell
3-3 v Rangers
3-1 v St Johnstone

I think Gordon will look at what he’s done and think what could he do with a bigger budget and better players.

[Michael]

Hard no from me.

[JeMeSouviens]

A man in his 40s shouldn’t require educational courses to recognise why what he said was offensive in the first place and I don’t believe that some classes and an apology show that he suddenly no longer holds those views.

Hibs could completely avoid this whole debate by not considering him from the outset.

It's actually the other way round I think. Scots in their teens and twenties have been brought up in a culture where racism, homophobia etc are mostly considered unacceptable. Mackay grew up in the 70s when both were absolutely endemic right through Scottish life. The older you go among Scots the more likely you are to find backward attitudes. I'm about ages with Mackay, my parents' generation are horrific!

[Mcbizz1998]

Yes, but it won’t happen.

Hibs are too wrapped up in their virtuous crusades to actually grow a pair and appoint a guy who might be a good manager.

[Coco Bryce]

Hard no from me.

Initially thought that said 'Hard On'

Was just about to post he's no that good :greengrin

[Stevie Reid]

I'd take him.

[Golden Bear]

What height is Malky?

If he's on the small side then that should rule him out.

I'm sure that was one of the recent Hibs Net prosecution points in relation to Shaun Maloney.

:greengrin

[LunasBoots]

Yes from me, people make mistakes in life, learn and move on. Many of our ex players and some current players have done things many wouldnt agree with and we've still supported them after.

[Daily Hibs]

Yes, but it won’t happen.

Hibs are too wrapped up in their virtuous crusades to actually grow a pair and appoint a guy who might be a good manager.
Yes, we appear to be headed towards becoming virtue signalling FC rather than focusing on sporting success.

[hibbyfraelibby]

Definate No from me. His apologies were abit like Johnsons and only given because he was caught and to save his career.

[Stevie Reid]

Posted a this link on another thread earlier:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-38314905

Is it too simplistic an argument to say that Reagan Charles-Cooke and Joseph Hungbo have thrived under his management and seem happy playing for him? Hungbo signed when Mackay was manager also.

[Radium]

No.


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[Irish_Steve]

Racists can do one, definitely not for me and I wouldn’t go if he was the manager

[hibby rae]

Should be nowhere near our club. Some things are more important than football.

I am planning on renewing my season ticket but I'm not so sure I'd be keen to if we appointed a bigot as a manager.

[Coco Bryce]

Posted a this link on another thread earlier:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-38314905

Is it too simplistic an argument to say that Reagan Charles-Cooke and Joseph Hungbo have thrived under his management and seem happy playing for him? Hungbo signed when Mackay was manager also.

I agree.

[hibeedonald]

Ross County are a very poor team and he got them top 6 - I'd take him. They started so badly and he gradually got them performing with limited resources.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

I would take him based on his abilities.

For his past misdemeanors, you apologize, correct your behaviour and move on. I think that we are a very progressive club and have a very good public profile in standing up to all sorts of bigotry. With that in mind, any employee who took a different tack would be very much an outsider and would not last very long. Part of accepting the job would include embracing what we stand for.

[Ringothedog]

I love how we are being picky about who we would like as our manager. McKay was stupid and apologised for his stupidity. If he got the gig with us and we started winning games and beating Hearts on a regular basis then I would be happy. What I do not want is another manager who is “learning” his trade. We need experience and we need it yesterday

[Musselbound]

Yes I would take.
In terms of comments - what about the song Deek was singing about Rudi……

It is also bigoted and racist.

[EVENTUALLY]

Absolutely no f@#€ing way. I’ve already renewed but would not set foot in Easter Road if he is appointed.
My wife is black and I have good friends in the gay community who would undoubtedly feel betrayed if I supported any side under his control.

[ancient hibee]

Have those posting about his bigoted past been to a football match recently? Plenty work for a clean up today.

[Paulie Walnuts]

If Hibs have any sense they won’t be appointing someone who would divide the support so much when the fans are already feeling completely scunnered by the club.

[SlickShoes]

Have those posting about his bigoted past been to a football match recently? Plenty work for a clean up today.

So because there are idiots that go to games we should appoint one as manager as well?

[KanyeWestLower]

No


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[Golden Bear]

If Hibs have any sense they won’t be appointing someone who would divide the support so much when the fans are already feeling completely scunnered by the club.

Any appointment will divide the support and that's a certainty

[Paulie Walnuts]

Any appointment will divide the support and that's a certainty

Of course. Of all the realistic options though I think it’s safe to say Mackay would be about the most divisive of the lot.

If we appoint him then we’d be as well just starting the search for the next manager straight away as there’ll be a hell of a lot of fans don’t want him here from the off.

[basehibby]

McKay has apologised for his comments in the past and I would be prepared to accept that. However, it's clear that's not a view held universaly among Hibs fans and that IS a problem. So it's a NO from me on the grounds that he would split the support from the start - which is the last thing we need.

Also not wholly convinced by his record as a manager.

[heid the baw]

Absolutely no for me. Regardless of the idiotic comments he made in the past just watch his behaviour on the touch line. Howling and bawling at the players from the first minute to the last as if every kick needs to be directed by him.


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After losing to Hibs Ross County picked up 13 from a possible 18 only dropping points to Celtic and Hearts. Hibs managed 4 from 18 and missed out on lucrative top 6 gate money and a shot at Europe.
Maybe howling and bawling has a place when expressing a strong desire not to lose. Maloney's approach was always to defend the players and desperately seek out positives where there were none.
Bottom line is that Shouty Malky got the best out of his players and got top 6, meek Shaun didn't and cost the club a lot of money. I don't think Maloney should ever have been appointed, but I think criticizing a manager for bawling on the touchline is a strange viewpoint
I would not have a problem with Mackay being given an opportunity

[Turkish Green]

Good managers are not necessary good guys and vice versa. Do we want both?

It is a no from me.

[zitelli62]

No for obvious reasons

[Aldo]

No from me!


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[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Done a good job at Cardiff. On the other hand he’s a racist and a ******. No from me.


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[scuttle]

Just say Ron Gordon said we are signing Ronaldo and Messi , the Hibs support would be in a state of utter excitement me included. Then you remember oh Ronaldo was accused of rape whilst in Las Vegas and Messi narrowly avoided prison for tax evasion would we be saying if we sign them i will never be back at Easter Road i doubt it. Whoever the board appoint i will still be attending as players managers come and go but if its Malky so be it and i would be right behind him as all we want at the end of the day is for Hibs to be successful

[Victor]

Can’t vote but it is a ‘no’ from me. Dinosaur

[jacomo]

No.

If anyone wants to recreate the Terry Butcher scenario, this is how you do it.

[hibby rae]

Just say Ron Gordon said we are signing Ronaldo and Messi , the Hibs support would be in a state of utter excitement me included. Then you remember oh Ronaldo was accused of rape whilst in Las Vegas and Messi narrowly avoided prison for tax evasion would we be saying if we sign them i will never be back at Easter Road i doubt it. Whoever the board appoint i will still be attending as players managers come and go but if its Malky so be it and i would be right behind him as all we want at the end of the day is for Hibs to be successful

Yes actually I wouldn't, because I've read the transcript of the interview he gave to his lawyers.

Some things matter more than football.

[et_hibby]

I met Malky and his family back in 2016 just before we won the Scottish Cup. Got to know them over a couple of days and he was a genuinely nice guy, a good family man and good company.

We spoke a bit about football, he talked about how much he enjoyed his time at Cardiff and how wonderful the fans were there, getting them promoted and beating Man City as well as getting to the league cup final and losing to Liverpool on penalties.

He asked who I support and I said Hibs and instantly he spoke about Stubbsy and how well he and us as a team were doing at that time. I did cheekily ask him if he ever fancied the gig one day and he said “you never know, I wouldn’t say no”.

Anyway, I understand why people wouldn’t want him based on the incidents in the past but from my experience of meeting him and his family on a personal level I would be more than happy to welcome him to the club and back him all the way. He’s a proven manager with a lot of good knowledge and connections in the game. I think Hibs should at the very least speak to him.
Nice post- cheers for sharing. 👍

[ahibby]

Its a yes from me, but I have a feeling whoever gets the gig
Will do the business

[h1bs4life]

Yes from me , decent managerial career .

[cameronw-hfc]

Nope. Says way more about those who've voted yea than it does the rest. Won't sacrifice morals for a guy having a decent season.

[cameronw-hfc]

Good managers are not necessary good guys and vice versa. Do we want both?

It is a no from me.

We'd have a crap manager and an even worse person if we got Malky so..

[HendoDelivered]

Na

[Smartie]

Without making any sort of judgment on his past comments - is he likely to be so much better than any second strongest candidate that it would likely be worth all the controversy, antagonism and grief that his appointment would undoubtedly bring?

I’d be surprised.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Without making any sort of judgment on his past comments - is he likely to be so much better than any second strongest candidate that it would likely be worth all the controversy, antagonism and grief that his appointment would undoubtedly bring?

I’d be surprised.

His career win percentage isn’t all that much better than Maloneys - 36% to Maloneys 32%.

I’m actually surprised how many people are making out he’s had a good career. He’s been somewhere between average and crap everywhere from the looks of things.

[chrisski33]

It's actually the other way round I think. Scots in their teens and twenties have been brought up in a culture where racism, homophobia etc are mostly considered unacceptable. Mackay grew up in the 70s when both were absolutely endemic right through Scottish life. The older you go among Scots the more likely you are to find backward attitudes. I'm about ages with Mackay, my parents' generation are horrific!

I grew up in the 70's and don't find what he said acceptable and my parents dont find things like he said acceptable. Its just a smokescreen when folk say past generations found it acceptable, alot of those generations didnt nor is it right which im sure you agree with

[Alan62]

After losing to Hibs Ross County picked up 13 from a possible 18 only dropping points to Celtic and Hearts. Hibs managed 4 from 18 and missed out on lucrative top 6 gate money and a shot at Europe.
Maybe howling and bawling has a place when expressing a strong desire not to lose. Maloney's approach was always to defend the players and desperately seek out positives where there were none.
Bottom line is that Shouty Malky got the best out of his players and got top 6, meek Shaun didn't and cost the club a lot of money. I don't think Maloney should ever have been appointed, but I think criticizing a manager for bawling on the touchline is a strange viewpoint
I would not have a problem with Mackay being given an opportunity

Good coaches prepare their teams for games. They may make some adjustments during the game depending on how it pans out but they do not try to get involved with every moment of the play as it distracts players and restricts spontaneous creativity.


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[Stevie Reid]

His career win percentage isn’t all that much better than Maloneys - 36% to Maloneys 32%.

I’m actually surprised how many people are making out he’s had a good career. He’s been somewhere between average and crap everywhere from the looks of things.

There’s not any making out to do - in football terms he has. Watford didn’t seem that impressive on paper but it was enough for Cardiff to lure him away.

He then took them to their first League Cup Final (lost on pens to Liverpool) in his first season, and then won the Championship the following year to get them their first ever promotion to the EPL.

Wigan was poor, no question, but this season at RC has been hugely impressive.

His win ratio will obviously be affected by his time in the EPL with Cardiff, the bad spell at Wigan, and the fact that he’s currently managing Ross County. All about context - Jurgen Klopp had a 29% win ratio at Mainz and it got him the Dortmund job.

Dealing only with the football, Mackay’s had a more then decent managerial career so far.

[loanheadhibby]

If he is ever at our club? I won’t be there, so long as he is.
Wow Why?
You must be a staunch Hibs supporter.

[loanheadhibby]

Absolutely not. Bigot and a very average manager.

RC were the worst away team at ER by far this season.

I wonder if they thought we were the worst team to visit Dingwall.
Probably the most undisciplined.

[heid the baw]

Good coaches prepare their teams for games. They may make some adjustments during the game depending on how it pans out but they do not try to get involved with every moment of the play as it distracts players and restricts spontaneous creativity.


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Good coaches get results when it matters.
I admit I've not seen as much of McKay on the touchline for Ross County, just that recent game at ER when he was clearly frustrated by County players constantly giving the ball away and their repeated poor decision making.
Obviously a closer and more regular McKay observer such as yourself is better placed to comment on such matters. I was merely pointing out the 9 point claw back in the short period of 6 games which saw his team leapfrog us into top 6.

[FitbaFolkKen]

Yes from me, I think he mucked up and suffered for what he did. He was due to take the Crystal Palace job when his texts surfaced and that offer was withdrawn.

I totally understand those that don’t want him, however I’d like to think he has learned from his mistakes and has a different mindset now.

Many have said if he gets results then this will get overlooked, we’ve overlooked misdeamonours from O’Connor, Riordan, Boyle, Griffiths, Newell, Porteous, Latapy, Stokes, McNulty, Bartley.

I don’t remember many season tickets going back for that lot?

[TheHibernator]

Can’t recall watching any of his teams prior to getting the County job, so no idea how his teams play in terms of style. Personally hope he wouldn’t be top of our list but seems a worthy consideration. Reading the comments though I’m not sure it would be worth all the hassle it would bring on from the fans.

If we don’t appoint him I hope it’s based on football reasons rather than previous wrongdoings.

[bingo70]

His career win percentage isn’t all that much better than Maloneys - 36% to Maloneys 32%.

I’m actually surprised how many people are making out he’s had a good career. He’s been somewhere between average and crap everywhere from the looks of things.

Win % isn’t a measure that should be used to judge a manager. It means absolutely nothing as doesn’t take into account the context of the club they’re at and the expectations of that club.

Judging him purely as a manager I think he’d do a good job.

I think he’d be too divisive though and that’s not what the club needs just now. We need an ambitious appointment to unite and excite as many fans as possible.

[cameronw-hfc]

Yes from me, I think he mucked up and suffered for what he did. He was due to take the Crystal Palace job when his texts surfaced and that offer was withdrawn.

I totally understand those that don’t want him, however I’d like to think he has learned from his mistakes and has a different mindset now.

Many have said if he gets results then this will get overlooked, we’ve overlooked misdeamonours from O’Connor, Riordan, Boyle, Griffiths, Newell, Porteous, Latapy, Stokes, McNulty, Bartley.

I don’t remember many season tickets going back for that lot?


Most of those players were already at Hibs by the time they made their mistakes, and weren't going anywhere soon so we didn't have much of a choice than to support them.

It's completely different to bringing someone in that's got baggage. We know it'll be divisive, a lot of fans won't come back under him, so why even bother? It's not worth it even if by the off chance he does well.

He would be getting off on a terrible start and that's enough for it to all derail.

[Northernhibee]

People change and grow up. Long as he has, yes from me.

[Onceinawhile]

Just say Ron Gordon said we are signing Ronaldo and Messi , the Hibs support would be in a state of utter excitement me included. Then you remember oh Ronaldo was accused of rape whilst in Las Vegas and Messi narrowly avoided prison for tax evasion would we be saying if we sign them i will never be back at Easter Road i doubt it. Whoever the board appoint i will still be attending as players managers come and go but if its Malky so be it and i would be right behind him as all we want at the end of the day is for Hibs to be successful

Ronaldo admitted to rape and won't go back to the USA because of it.

[CentreLine]

Objectionable, disgraceful, unacceptable comments. But this is a man who seems to have accepted the error of his ways and attitude. He appears to have amended his views and behaviour accordingly. That being the case, why not have him as manager? People who have made mistakes and recognised those mistakes, can then become good role models and promote good, decent values alongside their core skills.

[Onceinawhile]

I'm not convinced he's apologised properly, he seems to have said "I'm not a bigot" etc... but I can't see the word sorry anywhere.

If he was to do that, I'd take him. Cause let's face it, a lot of us have done daft stuff before (the rudi skacel song, being an example)

[bingo70]

I'm not convinced he's apologised properly, he seems to have said "I'm not a bigot" etc... but I can't see the word sorry anywhere.

If he was to do that, I'd take him. Cause let's face it, a lot of us have done daft stuff before (the rudi skacel song, being an example)

https://www.theredcard.org/news/2017/10/16/srtrc-responds-to-malky-mackays-interim-appointment

If it’s good enough for them it’s good enough for me.

[McHibby]

Just say Ron Gordon said we are signing Ronaldo and Messi , the Hibs support would be in a state of utter excitement me included. Then you remember oh Ronaldo was accused of rape whilst in Las Vegas and Messi narrowly avoided prison for tax evasion would we be saying if we sign them i will never be back at Easter Road i doubt it. Whoever the board appoint i will still be attending as players managers come and go but if its Malky so be it and i would be right behind him as all we want at the end of the day is for Hibs to be successful



You can't lump every type of crime or dodgy behaviour into one basket. Getting three penalty points on a driving licence is illegal, whereas distasteful texts about Jews, women and "Chinkies" are not. But what's more offensive?

Would I be bothered about a tax evader being signed for Hibs - probably not. Would I be bothered about sex offender being signed for Hibs - absolutely.

On a positive note, I'm genuinely pleased that we can all have these frank discussions as a support. It's not that long ago when someone's off-field behaviour wouldn't even be a consideration.

[FitbaFolkKen]

Most of those players were already at Hibs by the time they made their mistakes, and weren't going anywhere soon so we didn't have much of a choice than to support them.

It's completely different to bringing someone in that's got baggage. We know it'll be divisive, a lot of fans won't come back under him, so why even bother? It's not worth it even if by the off chance he does well.

He would be getting off on a terrible start and that's enough for it to all derail.

We and the club had a choice, we chose to ignore it and presume that lessons were learned as they played for us already. I think the outrage over Mackays history is over the top when put into context of those I've mentioned.

I agree he would be divisive and wouldn't be my first choice.

[CentreLine]

We and the club had a choice, we chose to ignore it and presume that lessons were learned as they played for us already. I think the outrage over Mackays history is over the top when put into context of those I've mentioned.

I agree he would be divisive and wouldn't be my first choice.

Agreed. Not football but this country has a prime minister who has the support of parliament, despite having committed a criminal offence. All compounded by the fact it was his government that made his actions criminal in the first place.

[Ronniekirk]

I would keep an open mind but hope we can get someone better


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[hibsbollah]

He’s a total ****ing knob end. I throughly dislike the man. Unfortunately, it’s the kind of move I can see us making as a handbrake turn away from Maloney. Replace Soft New Man with Mr. Toxic Masculinity:aok:

[JOD]

Yes from me 100%
Wanted him last time.
Instead we got SM a guy with a personal Ego that couldn't inspire a jellyfish.

[007]

No because my perception (which could be wrong) is he was the man behind Project Brave which seems to me to have been a failure. It was meant improve youth player development in Scotland however the development league / reserve league collapsed and I'm certainly not aware of anything done by the SFA under his tenure to improve any Hibs players. Plus iirc he was promoting the Rangers and Celtic colt teams going into League 2 which as far as I'm concerned only benefits 2 clubs, to the detriment of all the others. Regardless of whether or not he is a racist/homophobe/misogynist, the aforementioned is enough for me to not want him at Hibs.

[ekhibee]

Even on this forum people are split about MacKay, for me he would be a really divisive figure for many Hibs fans, so it's a No from me.

[Onceinawhile]

https://www.theredcard.org/news/2017/10/16/srtrc-responds-to-malky-mackays-interim-appointment

If it’s good enough for them it’s good enough for me.

I understand that logic.

I see them saying he's apologised, but I don't see him actually apologising.

Not trying to be wide, just trying to figure it out.

[The Harp]

Wouldn't touch him with a bargepole. I hope Hibs aren't stupid enough to even consider him. It would be a sad day for the club if he occupied the hot seat at ER.

[sadtom]

Wow Why?
You must be a staunch Hibs supporter.

Because I don’t want a bigot as the figurehead for the club I’ve supported my entire life.
That good enough for you?
p.s. I’d happily compare my Hibs ‘credibility’ with you any day of the week. But ‘staunch’??? Now there’s a word I’d associate with Gorgie or Govan but never Hibs.

[FilipinoHibs]

It's actually the other way round I think. Scots in their teens and twenties have been brought up in a culture where racism, homophobia etc are mostly considered unacceptable. Mackay grew up in the 70s when both were absolutely endemic right through Scottish life. The older you go among Scots the more likely you are to find backward attitudes. I'm about ages with Mackay, my parents' generation are horrific!

The 70s were the birth of liberation movements against racism, for gay and women's liberation. Things regressed in 80s under Thatcher and Reagan. He was born in 1972 so would have grown up when progress was rolled back. Why people in their 60s and 70s are more progressive than people in their 40s and 50s.

[overdrive]

Absolutely, yes. In isolation. I think his apology was genuine and people deserve a second chance (I draw the line at sex offenders). I’ve also spoken to him before briefly (when he was in front of me at the checkout at the supermarket) and he seemed decent enough.

However, it is clear he’d be even more divisive than Maloney amongst the support, so that is where my doubt creeps in. We need someone who can galvanise the majority of the support.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Win % isn’t a measure that should be used to judge a manager. It means absolutely nothing as doesn’t take into account the context of the club they’re at and the expectations of that club.

Judging him purely as a manager I think he’d do a good job.

I think he’d be too divisive though and that’s not what the club needs just now. We need an ambitious appointment to unite and excite as many fans as possible.

It does show that his career so far has been delivering a different set of results to what we’d be looking for at Hibs though.

Some managers do well at lower level teams punching above their weight without that being able to translate to the expectation of a bigger club.

[Waxy]

Be as well bringing back Neil Lennon.
The fans turned out at least

[CapitalGreen]

Be as well bringing back Neil Lennon.
The fans turned out at least

Unless he’s bringing John McGinn with him there’s no point in bringing Lennon back.

[blackpoolhibs]

Even on this forum people are split about MacKay, for me he would be a really divisive figure for many Hibs fans, so it's a No from me.

I dont think there is a manager out there that would get unified support, there seems to be a culture now that looks into every single detail of anyone we appoint.

[Since452]

EEN now make him favourite for the job

[Jones28]

I dont think there is a manager out there that would get unified support, there seems to be a culture now that looks into every single detail of anyone we appoint.

No manager would, you're right. But I can't think of many that would split the support like Mackay would.

[makaveli1875]

It’s a yes from me .

[Since452]

Yes. Good manager. Exactly what we need.

[Paulie Walnuts]

No manager would, you're right. But I can't think of many that would split the support like Mackay would.

Yup.

Appointing a manager who it looks like the majority probably don’t want to get the job would be madness. Especially off the back off a few years now where the previous managers have also split the fan base so much. There was significantly more support on here for keeping Maloney than there is for appointing Mackay.

If my memory serves me right we were about:
~60% Jack Ross to remain
~59% Maloney to remain
And now we’re ~60% don’t want Mackay

The first two have lead to a lot of fans feeling really disappointed in Hibs. We don’t need another decision that’ll be so polarising.

If we appoint Mackay I’d be surprised if he’s still here at the end of the season. A lot of people will want him out the minute he walks in the door.

[Shrekko]

No manager would, you're right. But I can't think of many that would split the support like Mackay would.

Hibs need to ignore this kind of noise and pick a manager purely based on his ability.

They let perceived fan opinion on Jack Ross and style of play dictate them sacking him and then hiring Maloney which was an absolute nonsense decision.

A good Hibs team that's winning games should be enough to overcome any side issues.

[Jones28]

Hibs need to ignore this kind of noise and pick a manager purely based on his ability.

They let perceived fan opinion on Jack Ross and style of play dictate them sacking him and then hiring Maloney which was an absolute nonsense decision.

A good Hibs team that's winning games should be enough to overcome any side issues.

I'm not 100% sure about that.

That aside, I'm not sure Mackay is any better than the likes of Alexander at Motherwell.

[lucky]

He’s made mistakes apologised and learnt from it. Murders get a second chance, Martindale is a convicted drug dealer who has got a second chance. If Mackay get the job then I’ll back him.

[DH1875]

What about Martindale? Folk on here wanting him yet he has done some right dodgy stuff in the past. High up in organised crime serving a prison sentence for money laundering and drug dealing. Not some wee boy caught with a couple of grams of coke but done for supplying 6kg of the stuff.

[Shrekko]

I'm not 100% sure about that.

That aside, I'm not sure Mackay is any better than the likes of Alexander at Motherwell.

I think he has done a miraculous job at Ross County and certainly has an eye for a player.

As we know with Butcher, doing well with a smaller club doesn't always translate to success at Hibs but I think MacKay is on another level to him.

Baggage aside, think he'd be a superb appointment.

[Since452]

He can bring Charles-Cook with him.

[Paulie Walnuts]

What about Martindale? Folk on here wanting him yet he has done some right dodgy stuff in the past. High up in organised crime serving a prison sentence for money laundering and drug dealing. Not some wee boy caught with a couple of grams of coke but done for supplying 6kg of the stuff.

To be fair the folk wanting Martindale might be the same ones wanting Mackay.

If there was a Martindale poll I’d imagine the results would be similar.

[Jones28]

What about Martindale? Folk on here wanting him yet he has done some right dodgy stuff in the past. High up in organised crime serving a prison sentence for money laundering and drug dealing. Not some wee boy caught with a couple of grams of coke but done for supplying 6kg of the stuff.

**** no, I could just about square Mackay if I read more about what he has done in the aftermath of his issues.

Martindale should be nowhere a management position in football.

That aside, I don't think anyone really wants Martindale, he's just been used as a comparison.

[hibby rae]

To be fair the folk wanting Martindale might be the same ones wanting Mackay.

If there was a Martindale poll I’d imagine the results would be similar.

I agree.

Also whataboutism isn't a great argument in general.

[Since452]

To be fair the folk wanting Martindale might be the same ones wanting Mackay.

If there was a Martindale poll I’d imagine the results would be similar.

Personally think Martindale's actions were far worse. Dealing drugs and money laundering or saying some nasty things on WhatsApp.. Mackay was an idiot for doing it but if anti racist organisations can forgive Mackay then I can too.

[bigwheel]

Personally think Martindale's actions were far worse. Dealing drugs and money laundering or saying some nasty things on WhatsApp.. Mackay was an idiot for doing it but if anti racist organisations can forgive Mackay then I can too.

Also. There is no comparison between MacKay’s management credentials and Martindale .. Malky is on a different level

[Drewster]

100% no - horrible parallels with Butcher from 2014.

[bingo70]

I understand that logic.

I see them saying he's apologised, but I don't see him actually apologising.

Not trying to be wide, just trying to figure it out.

No offence but I don’t get that.

The major anti racism organisation in football in the UK is literally saying he needs to be allowed to work and they are satisfied with what he’s done since the incident ti redeem himself if that’s the right word. They even went as far in that link to wish him luck.

If Show Racism the Red Card who are experts in this matter are satisfied with him and him returning to work, why would those of us less informed than them have an issue with it?

Whether we can find the apology online is neither here nor there to me. Actions speak louder than words and since he was caught, he has obviously acted in such a way that warrants the second chance he’s been given.

[OldEast]

Yup.

Appointing a manager who it looks like the majority probably don’t want to get the job would be madness. Especially off the back off a few years now where the previous managers have also split the fan base so much. There was significantly more support on here for keeping Maloney than there is for appointing Mackay.

If my memory serves me right we were about:
~60% Jack Ross to remain
~59% Maloney to remain
And now we’re ~60% don’t want Mackay

The first two have lead to a lot of fans feeling really disappointed in Hibs. We don’t need another decision that’ll be so polarising.

If we appoint Mackay I’d be surprised if he’s still here at the end of the season. A lot of people will want him out the minute he walks in the door.

I would suggest the "majority" of Hibs fans couldn't care less about his past and would support him if he brought a winning mentality and results.
This is an internet forum where people only chip in if they have strong views. The vast majority have never heard of Hibs.net or if they have they haven't posted.

[SlickShoes]

I would suggest the "majority" of Hibs fans couldn't care less about his past and would support him if he brought a winning mentality and results.
This is an internet forum where people only chip in if they have strong views. The vast majority have never heard of Hibs.net or if they have they haven't posted.

241 votes out of a fanbase our size is a pretty good sample size and will generally give you a fairly accurate view of the general support for things like this.

[Since452]

100% no - horrible parallels with Butcher from 2014.

Apart from Mackay is a different level of manager to Butcher.

[chippy]

Personally think Martindale's actions were far worse. Dealing drugs and money laundering or saying some nasty things on WhatsApp.. Mackay was an idiot for doing it but if anti racist organisations can forgive Mackay then I can too.

This is where I’m at. If he had continued to publicly or privately act in a racist manner, then I’d want him nowhere near ER. But surely being contrite , apologising and taking on board anti racist training is a success for the anti racist movements and we ought to give him the opportunity to rebuild his career at Hibs

[AndyM_1875]

For me it's a no but Malky Mackay has worked wonders at Ross County, that's not up for debate.
However he would be too divisive a figure due to his past text indiscretions and Hibs wouldn't want the noise that would come with appointing him.

Just a thought to those of you screaming at the suggestion of Malky Mackay as Hibs manager. Check your phone, your WhatsApp and your social media feed. It might not be as squeaky clean as you would like to think.:wink:

[heretoday]

Malky M would be a cracking appointment in footballing terms. Maybe he's got too much baggage though. Some hack would be quick to unearth his old texts and plaster them over the papers (again). Cue embarrassment for Hibs.
Despite that I'd be in favour of him personally. Success on the pitch would soon banish the negativity.

[OldEast]

241 votes out of a fanbase our size is a pretty good sample size and will generally give you a fairly accurate view of the general support for things like this.

3,891 active members
15,000 members in total
241 isn't a lot is it?

[Since452]

Celtic and Hearts up next for County. If they do well in those games we should be making an offer before the end of the season before another club does.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I would suggest the "majority" of Hibs fans couldn't care less about his past and would support him if he brought a winning mentality and results.
This is an internet forum where people only chip in if they have strong views. The vast majority have never heard of Hibs.net or if they have they haven't posted.

Hibs.net is probably the best place to get a sample opinion of the Hibs support in any real numbers.

If an opinion poll with 250 Hibs fans leans one way then it’s probably a fairly safe bet that the rest of the fanbase won’t be far from that.

[Since452]

Hibs.net is probably the best place to get a sample opinion of the Hibs support in any real numbers.

If an opinion poll with 250 Hibs fans leans one way then it’s probably a fairly safe bet that the rest of the fanbase won’t be far from that.

Don't think it would be far off a 50/50 split. Win his first five and it would be a 90/10 split. Football fans as you know are pretty fickle.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Don't think it would be far off a 50/50 split. Win his first five and it would be a 90/10 split. Football fans as you know are pretty fickle.

That’s where it’s not worth the risk for me though.

If it’s going to take him getting off to an absolute flyer for fans to buy into him then it’s not really a risk worth taking as there’s a good chance that won’t happen.

If were sitting 6th or 7th in the table 6 or 7 games in and we’ve lost a derby or put in a bit of a stinking performance or something then we’ll be sitting here with a chunk of people wanting him out.

It happened that quickly with Maloney and it’ll happen even quicker when half the fan base have fairly strong views of not wanting him before he’s even in the door.

[hibee-boys]

No offence but I don’t get that.

The major anti racism organisation in football in the UK is literally saying he needs to be allowed to work and they are satisfied with what he’s done since the incident ti redeem himself if that’s the right word. They even went as far in that link to wish him luck.

If Show Racism the Red Card who are experts in this matter are satisfied with him and him returning to work, why would those of us less informed than them have an issue with it?

Whether we can find the apology online is neither here nor there to me. Actions speak louder than words and since he was caught, he has obviously acted in such a way that warrants the second chance he’s been given.

Nail on head👍

[SlickShoes]

For me it's a no but Malky Mackay has worked wonders at Ross County, that's not up for debate.
However he would be too divisive a figure due to his past text indiscretions and Hibs wouldn't want the noise that would come with appointing him.

Just a thought to those of you screaming at the suggestion of Malky Mackay as Hibs manager. Check your phone, your WhatsApp and your social media feed. It might not be as squeaky clean as you would like to think.:wink:

This says more about you than it does about anyone else, maybe you need to address some issues.

[hibsbollah]

This says more about you than it does about anyone else, maybe you need to address some issues.

Andy M looking at porn sites has absolutely no relevance to Mackay being a signed up member of the KKK, I have to spring to his defence on this. Every man needs a hobby as they say.

[He's here!]

A man in his 40s shouldn’t require educational courses to recognise why what he said was offensive in the first place and I don’t believe that some classes and an apology show that he suddenly no longer holds those views.

Hibs could completely avoid this whole debate by not considering him from the outset.

Why not? You're never too old to learn the error of your ways. We seem very quick to write off people (or 'cancel' them) as beyond the pale these days for doing something stupid. I have done some really ****ing stupid things in my life that I'd be pretty embarrassed to have been made public, but have by and large done my best to apologise/atone and tried not to make the same mistakes again.

The guy's not a criminal and has, as far as I can see, taken all reasonable steps to address the issue.

[FilipinoHibs]

In the real world none of the two would get the job as a CEO of a major company with their track record no matter how good they were at the job or how much redemption they had made. Ron has more sense so thankfully it won't happen.

[Stevie Reid]

It does show that his career so far has been delivering a different set of results to what we’d be looking for at Hibs though.

Some managers do well at lower level teams punching above their weight without that being able to translate to the expectation of a bigger club.

I don't think it does show that. He has managed a big club in Cardiff, and excelled there in getting them to the Premiership. Even when he was sacked in late December, they were 16th in that league - they ended it 20th. He didn't particularly excel at Watford, who were not especially good at that time, but Cardiff saw enough there to appoint him - and they were right to do so (in football terms), he did meet the bigger expectations that went with being appointed there.

At Ross County he's delivered better results than we've managed to the pivotal point of the season, and secured top six on a fraction of our playing budget - so he seems to have shown quite a bit of dexterity depending on the circumstances and expectations of the clubs he's been at.

Any managerial appointment is a risk, and you're absolutely right that managers aren't always able to transition well from a small club to a bigger one - but that argument about the kind of results managers typically deliver works both ways. I'd take Lennon back as manager, and he has a 64% win ratio from his time managing in Scotland - so his career has absolutely been about delivering the kind of results that we'd be looking for. However, there are plenty who would point out (with some validity) that much of that success with Celtic was down to a lack of real competition.

It's not an exact science, as we know only too well. I'm not especially bothered about Mackay - I could get on board with his appointment but it clearly would be divisive - but he's definitely got a good track record as a manager.

[JeMeSouviens]

I grew up in the 70's and don't find what he said acceptable and my parents dont find things like he said acceptable. Its just a smokescreen when folk say past generations found it acceptable, alot of those generations didnt nor is it right which im sure you agree with

Yes, absolutely. I wasn't trying to imply it was acceptable or that there weren't loads of people arguing at the time it was unacceptable. Just that there was more ignorance around in those days, so in my experience, you are more likely to find pockets of unacceptable attitude in the older rather than the younger age groups.

[SlickShoes]

At Ross County he's delivered better results than we've managed to the pivotal point of the season, and secured top six on a fraction of our playing budget - so he seems to have shown quite a bit of dexterity depending on the circumstances and expectations of the clubs he's been at.



Better league results only, and by better, it is one single win. I don't think anything about how Ross County have performed this season is a huge case for their manager becoming Hibs manager.

Maybe if they had pushed Hearts for third I could see a case but none of the managers in the middle of the league are worth considering if we want better, you may as well just reappoint Maloney.

[MWHIBBIES]

Seriously, without Boyle maloney won 1 league match and folk want the guy he beat...

[bingo70]

Seriously, without Boyle maloney won 1 league match and folk want the guy he beat...

He didn’t beat Mackay, it’s no tennis 😂

[He's here!]

Yes, absolutely. I wasn't trying to imply it was acceptable or that there weren't loads of people arguing at the time it was unacceptable. Just that there was more ignorance around in those days, so in my experience, you are more likely to find pockets of unacceptable attitude in the older rather than the younger age groups.

We've certainly come a long way since we had bananas being thrown at Mark Walters at Tynecastle and Celtic Park. Even in the years after that I remember getting into a shouting match with some Hibs fans at Tannadice who were making monkey noises at Raphael Meade. I think you're right to say that in the football world Mackay grew up in there was a lot more ignorance. Doesn't make it acceptable, granted and as we've seen in England and other European countries there remains an unhealthy amount of racism among football 'fans'...which depressingly probably means there are younger age groups still holding these views.

[Stevie Reid]

Better league results only, and by better, it is one single win. I don't think anything about how Ross County have performed this season is a huge case for their manager becoming Hibs manager.

Maybe if they had pushed Hearts for third I could see a case but none of the managers in the middle of the league are worth considering if we want better, you may as well just reappoint Maloney.

I argue differently to your first sentence - it's all relative. Compared to the respective budgets, having two more points than us after 33 games (and winning 14 more points than us in the last 23) is considerable. If we were able to punch that much above our weight on our budget, that would mean challenging for the league (not in any way saying that would happen, just that he's currently excelling at RC). They also play an open, attacking style and have scored a lot of goals (are 4th top scorers, conceded a lot too, tbf).

Your second sentence is just a guess. Though it should be mentioned that it County were pushing Hearts for 3rd it would be truly miraculous.

[blackpoolhibs]

No manager would, you're right. But I can't think of many that would split the support like Mackay would.

Bringing Jack Ross or Neil Lennon back would. :greengrin

[SlickShoes]

I argue differently to your first sentence - it's all relative. Compared to the respective budgets, having two more points than us after 33 games (and winning 14 more points than us in the last 23) is considerable. If we were able to punch that much above our weight on our budget, that would mean challenging for the league (not in any way saying that would happen, just that he's currently excelling at RC). They also play an open, attacking style and have scored a lot of goals (are 4th top scorers, conceded a lot too, tbf).

Your second sentence is just a guess. Though it should be mentioned that it County were pushing Hearts for 3rd it would be truly miraculous.

I just can't agree he is excelling at County, they are a poor team, that do not play good football or at least I do not want to see Hibs playing like this Ross County team.

They have finished mid-table in real terms, the split is a ridiculous thing, so look at the overall form. Hibs and Aberdeen have had shocking seasons, the budgetary difference between everyone else is minimal, so a mid-table finish isn't exactly amazing.

[SMAXXA]

Yes absolutely. He’s done his time people need to move on. Obviously plenty people who have never done no wrong in their lives will see it differently and will take the moral high ground, for me I believe in rehabilitation and not writing people off for the rest of their lives for something I believe you can be rehabilitated from.

Plenty experience and worked wonders with county and would probably bring a couple of their best players with him. Also had an eye for a player see Clarke that would do for me.

[SMAXXA]

I just can't agree he is excelling at County, they are a poor team, that do not play good football or at least I do not want to see Hibs playing like this Ross County team.

They have finished mid-table in real terms, the split is a ridiculous thing, so look at the overall form. Hibs and Aberdeen have had shocking seasons, the budgetary difference between everyone else is minimal, so a mid-table finish isn't exactly amazing.

That’s some take on it 🙈. Team rock bottom many had Relegated early in the season, he is knocking on getting them into Europe how can you possibly say that’s not excelling?

[Since452]

The more I think about it the more I'd be really disappointed if he doesn't get it.

[SlickShoes]

That’s some take on it 🙈. Team rock bottom many had Relegated early in the season, he is knocking on getting them into Europe how can you possibly say that’s not excelling?

Because I have watched them play and they are not a good team?

[Stevie Reid]

I just can't agree he is excelling at County, they are a poor team, that do not play good football or at least I do not want to see Hibs playing like this Ross County team.

They have finished mid-table in real terms, the split is a ridiculous thing, so look at the overall form. Hibs and Aberdeen have had shocking seasons, the budgetary difference between everyone else is minimal, so a mid-table finish isn't exactly amazing.

He's guaranteed to take County to at least their second highest finish in this league, possibly even their highest - the position they currently occupy (5th) is their best ever SPL finish. This is only their 9th season in the SPL, and just their third top six finish - that is excelling at Ross County, clearly.

They are not a poor side. Sometimes words seem to lose all meaning on this site. Hibs finish 3rd for the first time in 16 years - poor side. Hearts secure 3rd before the split and reach Scottish Cup Final - poor side. Ross County on track for their best ever SPL season - poor side. Bizarre.

[Smartie]

Because I have watched them play and they are not a good team?

In all fairness, I've seen them play and be terrible and seen them play and be pretty good.

Like most teams in the SPFL this season they've had hot spells and cold spells.

They've been very poor at Easter Road twice.

[SMAXXA]

Because I have watched them play and they are not a good team?

Does that equate to them not excelling which they absolutely have?

[Stevie Reid]

In all fairness, I've seen them play and be terrible and seen them play and be pretty good.

Like most teams in the SPFL this season they've had hot spells and cold spells.

They've been very poor at Easter Road twice.

Don't disagree with that at all, they were two comfortable victories for us.

They actually had one very cold spell - three points from their first ten games - and one extremely hot spell (P 23 W 10 D 7 L 6) since then.

[CapitalGreen]

He's guaranteed to take County to at least their second highest finish in this league, possibly even their highest - the position they currently occupy (5th) is their best ever SPL finish. This is only their 9th season in the SPL, and just their third top six finish - that is excelling at Ross County, clearly.

They are not a poor side. Sometimes words seem to lose all meaning on this site. Hibs finish 3rd for the first time in 16 years - poor side. Hearts secure 3rd before the split and reach Scottish Cup Final - poor side. Ross County on track for their best ever SPL season - poor side. Bizarre.

Goals scored in 9 league games against the top 3 sides this season below. Based on that I think he’d take a different approach to these games than our previous 2 managers have.

Ross County 12
Aberdeen 9
Dun Utd 7
Motherwell 6
Hibs 3

[ancient hibee]

He’ll know that the next five games are an audition for the job.

[Heisenberg]

I didn’t do much research and just had a look at some stats yesterday and came to the conclusion he’d been pretty poor at most clubs. Someone with more knowledge pointed out his achievements and he’s certainly done more than I thought (especially at Cardiff).

I wouldn’t be delighted to see him at Hibs due to the reaction it would get from the fanbase. We need someone to unite everyone from the first minute they are in the job, I’m not sure he’d do it.

[DH1875]

I didn’t do much research and just had a look at some stats yesterday and came to the conclusion he’d been pretty poor at most clubs. Someone with more knowledge pointed out his achievements and he’s certainly done more than I thought (especially at Cardiff).

I wouldn’t be delighted to see him at Hibs due to the reaction it would get from the fanbase. We need someone to unite everyone from the first minute they are in the job, I’m not sure he’d do it.

Therein lies the problem. Other than the Bobo Glint manager (who we aren't getting) none of the front runners come close.

[Smartie]

Therein lies the problem. Other than the Bobo Glint manager (who we aren't getting) none of the front runners come close.

I don't think a new manager necessarily needs to unite everyone, but it would be a decent start if we avoided alienating a huge chunk.

Cautious optimism is fine, we don't all have to be raving fans of the appointment.

[hibby rae]

Therein lies the problem. Other than the Bobo Glint manager (who we aren't getting) none of the front runners come close.

Probably an idea to not go with someone who 2/3 of the support don't want (if this poll is any indication, and this is the only evidence of what the broad feeling amongst the support is).

[Lendo]

Need to add anti-Semitic to the poll

[AL-Qaholik]

That’s some take on it 🙈. Team rock bottom many had Relegated early in the season, he is knocking on getting them into Europe how can you possibly say that’s not excelling?

Terry Butcher did that and more at ICT…

[LewysGot2]

Need to add anti-Semitic to the poll

True. He did get full house at Roy Chubby Brown humour bingo...

[Perd Hapley]

Not for me. What he said in those texts was indicative of someone too prejudiced to even recognise it - I can't respect someone like that and I wouldn't expect our players to either. I wouldn't see him being appointed as rehabilitative justice; I'd see it as a failure by the club to understand what anti-racism means to a large majority of the support. Wish him luck and leave him be, he isn't worth it

[Bobby's Cinema]

No thank you. It's a great achievement for them getting in top6 but let's be fair, there was absolutely nothing between 4th and 10th in the league. Hibs/ Aberdeen/ Motherwell/ Dundee Utd all in freefall barely won 3 games between us since Christmas.

Putting all that together it does not make Malky Mackay a stand out candidate. Fair play though I'm sure their squad turnover in the summer was absolutely massive and they've come up with a few gems.

[Steve20]

It's a really poor show that so many people on this vote are willing to accept a racist as Hibs manager. Even if you think he's the best manager available, you must be able to see appointing him would be a horrible thing to do.

[Since90+2]

It's a really poor show that so many people on this vote are willing to accept a racist as Hibs manager. Even if you think he's the best manager available, you must be able to see appointing him would be a horrible thing to do.

Is a racist worse than a drink driver?

[bingo70]

It's a really poor show that so many people on this vote are willing to accept a racist as Hibs manager. Even if you think he's the best manager available, you must be able to see appointing him would be a horrible thing to do.

Why do you think you know better than The Show Racism the Red Card organisation who think he should be allowed to move on and work in football management?

[Bridge hibs]

3,891 active members
15,000 members in total
241 isn't a lot is it?Probably a few thousand of those fans use a phone and unable to vote unless they change to desk top version, Im one of those who has not voted due to this

Oh and no to Malky Mc 🤣

[Greenworld]

There's not a manager out there that would please all Hibs fans.
For what its worth I dont think it will be anyone from the spfl.

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[cameronw-hfc]

Why do you think you know better than The Show Racism the Red Card organisation who think he should be allowed to move on and work in football management?

Nobody claims they know more, just because someone has been told their apology is okay doesn't mean everyone can just look past it.

Going out of our way to hire someone that's clearly this divisive is just a bad move overall.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Why do you think you know better than The Show Racism the Red Card organisation who think he should be allowed to move on and work in football management?

I personally couldn’t care less if Mackay has managed to pass a pishy training course and not say anything racist infront of Say Racism The Red Card for a while. As far as I’m concerned he’s a prick who I wouldn’t want associated with our club.

As this thread shows, only a third of people would want him at Hibs.

Not far off half wouldn’t want him because of his past, the others because they think he’s crap.

Bringing in someone that divisive would be madness, especially when the majority of the divisiveness is based on things like racism, sexism, anti semitism or whatever all the crap he was coming out with was.

Also, racism was only one part of his horrendous messages. What about other charities, have they cleared him for work in football?

Let’s keep in mind these weren’t throwaway comments with no real hatefulness behind them - “I’m getting a chinky for tea” or even “someone needs to get a foot in on the darkie” etc. People have referred to the fact there parents use terms that shouldn’t be used anymore etc but it’s not just the terms he’s used, it’s the context and the vitriol behind them.

These comments were utterly horrendous. “Fkn Chinkys.. there’s enough dogs in Cardiff to go around for us all”, “He’s a gay snake” and feeling that he needs to point out the lack of white people on a list. These comments shows a deep rooted prejudice against pretty much anyone that wasn’t a straight white male.

The guy is a bigoted, racist homophobe whether he completed a couple night classes or not and as far as I’m concerned isn’t welcome anywhere near Hibernian.

[patstanton70]

Well said

[Bronson]

It's a really poor show that so many people on this vote are willing to accept a racist as Hibs manager. Even if you think he's the best manager available, you must be able to see appointing him would be a horrible thing to do.

Do you think every hibs fan who sang a racist song about rudi skacel is a racist? I’m going to think probably not. Me neither. Everyone has said some stupid stuff in their time, people deserve a chance to learn from it and move on with their lives.

I dare say you probably weren’t fussed about us employing ‘racist’ leigh griffiths when he was putting away 28 goals in a season. Or deeks when he was caught singing the same song?

[hibsbollah]

I personally couldn’t care less if Mackay has managed to pass a pishy training course and not say anything racist infront of Say Racism The Red Card for a while. As far as I’m concerned he’s a prick who I wouldn’t want associated with our club.

As this thread shows, only a third of people would want him at Hibs.

Not far off half wouldn’t want him because of his past, the others because they think he’s crap.

Bringing in someone that divisive would be madness, especially when the majority of the divisiveness is based on things like racism, sexism, anti semitism or whatever all the crap he was coming out with was.

Also, racism was only one part of his horrendous messages. What about other charities, have they cleared him for work in football?

Let’s keep in mind these weren’t throwaway comments with no real hatefulness behind them - “I’m getting a chinky for tea” or even “someone needs to get a foot in on the darkie” etc. People have referred to the fact there parents use terms that shouldn’t be used anymore etc but it’s not just the terms he’s used, it’s the context and the vitriol behind them.

These comments were utterly horrendous. “Fkn Chinkys.. there’s enough dogs in Cardiff to go around for us all”, “He’s a gay snake” and feeling that he needs to point out the lack of white people on a list. These comments shows a deep rooted prejudice against pretty much anyone that wasn’t a straight white male.

The guy is a bigoted, racist homophobe whether he completed a couple night classes or not and as far as I’m concerned isn’t welcome anywhere near Hibernian.

Agree. Well said.

[Jones28]

Bringing Jack Ross or Neil Lennon back would. :greengrin

Touché sir!

[CapitalGreen]

I personally couldn’t care less if Mackay has managed to pass a pishy training course and not say anything racist infront of Say Racism The Red Card for a while. As far as I’m concerned he’s a prick who I wouldn’t want associated with our club.

As this thread shows, only a third of people would want him at Hibs.

Not far off half wouldn’t want him because of his past, the others because they think he’s crap.

Bringing in someone that divisive would be madness, especially when the majority of the divisiveness is based on things like racism, sexism, anti semitism or whatever all the crap he was coming out with was.

Also, racism was only one part of his horrendous messages. What about other charities, have they cleared him for work in football?

Let’s keep in mind these weren’t throwaway comments with no real hatefulness behind them - “I’m getting a chinky for tea” or even “someone needs to get a foot in on the darkie” etc. People have referred to the fact there parents use terms that shouldn’t be used anymore etc but it’s not just the terms he’s used, it’s the context and the vitriol behind them.

These comments were utterly horrendous. “Fkn Chinkys.. there’s enough dogs in Cardiff to go around for us all”, “He’s a gay snake” and feeling that he needs to point out the lack of white people on a list. These comments shows a deep rooted prejudice against pretty much anyone that wasn’t a straight white male.

The guy is a bigoted, racist homophobe whether he completed a couple night classes or not and as far as I’m concerned isn’t welcome anywhere near Hibernian.

You wanted us to sign Leigh Griffiths during the summer who was charged and cautioned by the police for singing a racist song and also previously sent messages of a racist nature on twitter.

[wookie70]

I don't want a manager that divides fans from the off. We turn against them so quickly it would only make it worse when half the support had already taken the dagger out and are dying to use it. He has a team with half our resources playing a much better brand of football and above us in the league and some decent credential before that. Football wise he seems a very good choice but I'd rather we looked elsewhere

[CentreLine]

Whoever gets the manager gig, if they put an entertaining, winning team on the park, the fans will turn out. All the background noise will disappear.

[FitbaFolkKen]

One of two things would happen, he would get results and performances and the majority would forget about any issues they had. As we have done in the past with many many players of ours over the last twenty years. Or he would be rubbish and he would get no leeway and we would be sacking him in no time. If he started as he did at County he would be out the door.

If he is appointed the board better be sure he is going to do a great job otherwise their credibility will be completely shot.

For the reasons above I don’t think he will get it, Ron has stated he doesn’t want to take a risk.


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[MikeyS]

You wanted us to sign Leigh Griffiths during the summer who was charged and cautioned by the police for singing a racist song and also previously sent messages of a racist nature on twitter.

🤣 Great spot, I'll bet there is hypocritical excuse being prepared for that though.....

[hibsbollah]

🤣 Great spot, I'll bet there is hypocritical excuse being prepared for that though.....

It’s not necessarily hypocrisy, because they are two different individuals who he probably judges differently. I personally think Sparky is a damn sight more likeable than Mackay, I’m not sure that makes me hypocritical.

[MikeyS]

It’s not necessarily hypocrisy, because they are two different individuals who he probably judges differently. I personally think Sparky is a damn sight more likeable than Mackay, I’m not sure that makes me hypocritical.

Thats fair enough mate but the poster in question hasn't made any suggestion that his opposition to MM is based on his likeability more so to do with his 'crime' and it'll be interesting to see his thoughts on why Griffiths should've been signed.

IMO, if MM is deemed to be the best man for the job then he will get my backing. At the end of the day he is a human who has made a mistake & showed remorse. We've had more than our fair share of them who are heroes to our support. Deek, GO'C, McGinlay, Stanton & Griffiths to name but a few.

[Paulie Walnuts]

You wanted us to sign Leigh Griffiths during the summer who was charged and cautioned by the police for singing a racist song and also previously sent messages of a racist nature on twitter.

One of them would be the figurehead at our club responsible for managing BAME players, responsible for potentially managing homosexual players, responsible for part of the signing process of these players

One of them was a 22 year old daft laddie when he said it and also said it in retaliation to abuse he was receiving. Really not great but completely different circumstances to Mackay who was about 40, was under no sort of provocation and really doesn’t have any excuse whatsoever.

Also, Mackay has absolutely no likability for me. I’m surprised I even need to point that out after my previous posts.

[hibsbollah]

Thats fair enough mate but the poster in question hasn't made any suggestion that his opposition to MM is based on his likeability more so to do with his 'crime' and it'll be interesting to see his thoughts on why Griffiths should've been signed.

IMO, if MM is deemed to be the best man for the job then he will get my backing. At the end of the day he is a human who has made a mistake & showed remorse. We've had more than our fair share of them who are heroes to our support. Deek, GO'C, McGinlay, Stanton & Griffiths to name but a few.

That’s cool, we’re all allowed our personal views. Personally I’m going to find it hard to get actively engaged with Hibs if Mackays the manager. I could just step away from it for awhile.

[Paulie Walnuts]

That’s cool, we’re all allowed our personal views. Personally I’m going to find it hard to get actively engaged with Hibs if Mackays the manager. I could just step away from it for awhile.

I’m the same. If Mackay gets the job then I doubt I’ll be back until he’s gone. The idea of Hibs having a manager who gets presented with a list of players and is concerned at the lack of white players on them is a no from me.

[Pete]

Why would Malky Mackay leave Ross County, take a step down and join Hibs?

[FitbaFolkKen]

One of them would be the figurehead at our club responsible for managing BAME players, responsible for potentially managing homosexual players, responsible for part of the signing process of these players

One of them was a 22 year old daft laddie when he said it and also said it in retaliation to abuse he was receiving. Really not great but completely different circumstances to Mackay who was about 40, was under no sort of provocation and really doesn’t have any excuse whatsoever.

Also, Mackay has absolutely no likability for me. I’m surprised I even need to point that out after my previous posts.

It doesn’t seem to be a problem at county where players such as Hungbo and Charles-Cook are excelling.

I’m not trying to change anyones point of view but I’m surprised at your earlier dismissal of the retraining as a pishy training course(unless you have knowledge of the content) and zero acceptance that there is a possibility that he has changed his ways.


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[SMAXXA]

I’m the same. If Mackay gets the job then I doubt I’ll be back until he’s gone. The idea of Hibs having a manager who gets presented with a list of players and is concerned at the lack of white players on them is a no from me.

Aye and am sure you would stick to that should a cup final be on the horizon 😂. This do gooder element of society where there can be no forgiveness when people do wrong is embarrassing. The only difference between him and Griffith’s is your accept LG cause he’s a Hibby and hence likeable. Other posters saying the same yeah but LG is likeable, eh his litteraly disliked by every fan base apart from hibs because he’s a Hibby and scored goals from us.

If that’s not hypocritical am no sure what is. Maybe folk should really think about that before being unable to forgive other non hibs folk.

[SMAXXA]

Do you think every hibs fan who sang a racist song about rudi skacel is a racist? I’m going to think probably not. Me neither. Everyone has said some stupid stuff in their time, people deserve a chance to learn from it and move on with their lives.

I dare say you probably weren’t fussed about us employing ‘racist’ leigh griffiths when he was putting away 28 goals in a season. Or deeks when he was caught singing the same song?

This is where I’m at, we’ll said. I’m going to be honest I’ve seen jokes and pictures in group chats from mates that have said things pretty close to the bone that I’ve smiled at but wouldn’t have said myself but don’t consider me or them as racists. I’ve said things in the past that would be classed as racist in this modern society through it being acceptable previously, now it’s unacceptable so I don’t say it (things like going to the chinkeys or round to the pakkies which were commonly refers to as such where I grew up but I’d never say now but didn’t know better when I was younger).

Point is I aswell as most of the population have been re-educated as to what’s acceptable and what’s not and have changed. I don’t mind admitting it as most will have likely been the same, point being I’m not a racist and none of my close friends are. It’s almost unacceptable for someone to admit these things above without fear of being branded a racist by those who see what they want and can’t wait to brand someone racist. Same goes for sexist, homophobic etc etc.

[Johnny Clash]

Appointing Mackay would show no ambition whatsoever. It would be an awful decision.

[ahibby]

Why would Malky Mackay leave Ross County, take a step down and join Hibs?

Ha ha, why would anyone want a bigger salary for working at a bigger club, i.e. one with 10k plus season ticket holders cimpared to one with 2 or 3k. I dont know the answer but presume its all rhetorical in a way that a Jambo would fail at a wind up.

[MWHIBBIES]

Why would Malky Mackay leave Ross County, take a step down and join Hibs?

This isn't even good trolling. 2/10

[Paulie Walnuts]

This is where I’m at, we’ll said. I’m going to be honest I’ve seen jokes and pictures in group chats from mates that have said things pretty close to the bone that I’ve smiled at but wouldn’t have said myself but don’t consider me or them as racists. I’ve said things in the past that would be classed as racist in this modern society through it being acceptable previously, now it’s unacceptable so I don’t say it (things like going to the chinkeys or round to the pakkies which were commonly refers to as such where I grew up but I’d never say now but didn’t know better when I was younger).

Point is I aswell as most of the population have been re-educated as to what’s acceptable and what’s not and have changed. I don’t mind admitting it as most will have likely been the same, point being I’m not a racist and none of my close friends are. It’s almost unacceptable for someone to admit these things above without fear of being branded a racist by those who see what they want and can’t wait to brand someone racist. Same goes for sexist, homophobic etc etc.

These weren’t jokes or pictures. These were Mackays actual comments. He wasn’t just passing them on because the jokes made him smile, he actually thought them out and wrote them. Even worse, he made these comments in a football related situation whilst fulfilling a role that we’d be employing him to fulfill.

What Mackay said was a lot worse than “I’m going round to the chinkys or the pakis.”

In fact you could pretty much remove the actual offending words such as chinky from Mackays comments and replace them with Chinese etc and the comments really wouldn’t get any better.

As for there being no difference between him and Griffiths other than Griffiths being a Hibs fan, I’d disagree with that entirely. One of them was a daft laddie who was receiving abuse from someone and responded with an unacceptable comment. Mackays comments came under no provocation when he was a middle aged man and the vitriol with which the comments are made suggest deeply rooted racist and homophobic views.

[DH1875]

Aye and am sure you would stick to that should a cup final be on the horizon 😂. This do gooder element of society where there can be no forgiveness when people do wrong is embarrassing. The only difference between him and Griffith’s is your accept LG cause he’s a Hibby and hence likeable. Other posters saying the same yeah but LG is likeable, eh his litteraly disliked by every fan base apart from hibs because he’s a Hibby and scored goals from us.

If that’s not hypocritical am no sure what is. Maybe folk should really think about that before being unable to forgive other non hibs folk.

Lot of folk don't want KT simply because he is a hun apparently yet wanted Leigh back despite all his celtic baggage, singing their songs and him kissing their badge. Dundee player LG was at the celtic semi v rangers as a fan in the celtic end and no one cares but KT is paid to be at a hun game and he's a this and a that.
I don't want KT as manager. Not because he is a hun but because I don't think he is ready. The hypocrisy on this board at times does my head in. Folk come out with the hun patter and then say they want Lennon back cause being celtic minded on here seems quite acceptable by a few.
Cheeks of the same arse and all that.

[Brizo]

While we have had enough players bringing the club into disrepute over the last couple of decades, the manager is the public face of the club and should be an extension of the clubs values.

When Mackay made his comments he was more or less a middle-aged man, not some young daftie. Regardless of him apologizing, he should have known better. How did he think even a decade ago that that type of behaviour was acceptable? A man of that age needing "educated" on racism and homophobia is a pretty pathetic character to me and one I wouldn't want at Hibs

[zitelli62]

Ron would not want him as he is a business man always looking for sponsers mckay would alienate a lot of these sponsers who would not want there products associated with him.

[WhileTheChief..]

7 pages on a guy who won't even be on our short list.

[Gloucester Hibs]

Regardless of his ability, he'd be on the back foot with a large % of our fanbase straight away, so it's a no from me. We want everyone (or as many as possible) pulling in the same direction.

[Brightside]

There is zero chance he will get the job. Read the room.

[JoeT]

He doesn't stop shouting the whole game. It's bad enough having to listen to him a couple of times a season. We need someone who can trust his players to do their jobs. It's not FIFA

[Sioux]

This place gets more mental every day. Should the Hibs board really restrict their list of potential managers to what a bunch of morons on an internet message board demand?

[Paulie Walnuts]

This place gets more mental every day. Should the Hibs board really restrict their list of potential managers to what a bunch of morons on an internet message board demand?

Yes, they should. The fans are the lifeblood of the club. Every business in the world has to consider the needs and wants of their customers.

Appointing a manager that only a third of fans want with nearly half the fans not wanting him due to him being a racist, homophobic prick would be madness.

If Rudi Skacel was a good option as manager should we go for him?

[BegbieHSC]

Big ****ing no! Ain’t gonna happen!

[Since90+2]

Yes, they should. The fans are the lifeblood of the club. Appointing a manager that only a third of fans want with nearly half the fans not wanting him due to him being a racist, homophobic prick would be madness.

If Rudi Skacel was a good option as manager should we go for him?

Hibs.net really isn't representative of the wider Hibs support. There are a huge proportion of the support who wouldn't even know what it was, a similar number who have heard of it but would never even bother to look at it and then a sizeable minority who likely think it's a site for oddballs.

It also has an older demographic than other forms of social media that Hibs fans populate.

[Shrekko]

I’m the same. If Mackay gets the job then I doubt I’ll be back until he’s gone. The idea of Hibs having a manager who gets presented with a list of players and is concerned at the lack of white players on them is a no from me.

You been paying attention to a couple of his best signings at County this year?

[BegbieHSC]

Hibs.net really isn't representative of the wider Hibs support. There are a huge proportion of the support who wouldn't even know what it was, a similar number who have heard of it but would never even bother to look at it and then a sizeable minority who likely think it's a site for oddballs.

It also has an older demographic than other forms of social media that Hibs fans populate.

Tbh, from the wider hibs community outwith .net, I reckon that figure of just a third willing to tolerate Malky to be even smaller…

[Since90+2]

Tbh, from the wider hibs community outwith .net, I reckon that figure of just a third willing to tolerate Malky to be even smaller…

I genuinely don't think there's anyway way to quantify that.

And let's be honest, if Mackay was appointed and we won the first 5 or 6 games league games at the start of next season and sat at the top of the league nobody except a tiny minority of fans would be caring about his past text messages.

[Paulie Walnuts]

You been paying attention to a couple of his best signings at County this year?

They signed a gay player? Or does that side of it not matter?

I’ve most certainly paid attention to his vile comments.

[Sioux]

Tbh, from the wider hibs community outwith .net, I reckon that figure of just a third willing to tolerate Malky to be even smaller…

How many have you canvassed?

[Since90+2]

They signed a gay player? Or does that side of it not matter?

I’ve most certainly paid attention to his vile comments.

How would we know if they'd signed a gay player? Would you expect the club to announce his sexuality along with the length of contract? What an odd statement to make.

[Shrekko]

They signed a gay player? Or does that side of it not matter?

I’ve most certainly paid attention to his vile comments.

All of it matters.

Thing is, he appears not to be that guy now and we don't know how deeply his words were meant (that doesn't excuse them). It's also incredibly naïve to believe that many of our past, current and future employees won't have made similar comments unfortunately.

It is clear that he does not have a problem with signing black players- that's the point I was making which was a direct response to the comment saying he did.

[Brightside]

They signed a gay player? Or does that side of it not matter?

I’ve most certainly paid attention to his vile comments.

I missed that announcement. Can you point it out.

[Musselbound]

You been paying attention to a couple of his best signings at County this year?

He never said he wouldn't sign black players at Cardiff either. But the fact he found the colour of a list of targets worthy of comment speaks volumes.

[Since90+2]

I missed that announcement. Can you point it out.

I think the poster was meaning there's no evidence they've signed a gay player so does that side of it not matter.

I'm not sure what he's expecting on that front. Ross County to do a press release saying "We are pleased to announce the signing of John Smith on a free transfer from Harchester United, John will join on a 3 year contract. Oh and by the way John is gay".

It's a ridiculous question to pose as nobody would ever know if they have or not, and neither should we as it's nobody's business but that player himself. I'm sure the poster probably realises now what a daft thing it was to say.

[Paulie Walnuts]

How many have you canvassed?

There’s a poll on here with a decent sample size. There’s mostly negative reactions to it on social media.

You seem determined to convince others that the majority of Hibs fans wouldn’t mind if we appoint a racist because you’d be happy with it. All the evidence would suggest that’s not the case.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I think the poster was meaning there's no evidence they've signed a gay player so does that side of it not matter.

I'm not sure what he's expecting on that front. Ross County to do a press release saying "We are pleased to announce the signing of John Smith on a free transfer from Harchester United, John will join on a 3 year contract. Oh and by the way John is gay".

It's a ridiculous question to pose as nobody would ever know if they have or not, and neither should we as it's nobody's business but that player himself. I'm sure the poster probably realises now what a daft thing it was to say.

It probably wasn’t the best example, you’re right :aok:

[CropleyWasGod]

I think the poster was meaning there's no evidence they've signed a gay player so does that side of it not matter.

I'm not sure what he's expecting on that front. Ross County to do a press release saying "We are pleased to announce the signing of John Smith on a free transfer from Harchester United, John will join on a 3 year contract. Oh and by the way John is gay".

It's a ridiculous question to pose as nobody would ever know if they have or not, and neither should we as it's nobody's business but that player himself. I'm sure the poster probably realises now what a daft thing it was to say.

I think you're missing the point about the ethnicity of a couple of RC players this season.

[Sioux]

There’s a poll on here with a decent sample size. There’s mostly negative reactions to it on social media.

You seem determined to convince others that the majority of Hibs fans wouldn’t mind if we appoint a racist because you’d be happy with it. All the evidence would suggest that’s not the case.

You're lying!

[Paulie Walnuts]

All of it matters.

Thing is, he appears not to be that guy now and we don't know how deeply his words were meant (that doesn't excuse them). It's also incredibly naïve to believe that many of our past, current and future employees won't have made similar comments unfortunately.

It is clear that he does not have a problem with signing black players- that's the point I was making which was a direct response to the comment saying he did.

He signed Robert Earnshaw for Cardiff before he made the comments. He signed Troy Deeney and Townsend for Watford before he made the comments. His racism doesn’t appear to have stopped him signing players previously so the fact he’s signed two black players for Ross County doesn’t really prove he’s no longer racist as some are suggesting.

[OldEast]

7 pages on a guy who won't even be on our short list.

I agree he won't even be in the frame but it's very interesting to read people's opinions on his suitability for the job. I am continually amazed by the chasm separating criticism/rejection and forgiveness/acceptance in all walks of life not just football.

[SlickShoes]

I think you're missing the point about the ethnicity of a couple of RC players this season.

They have 4 black players in their squad, two of them are loans and 1 was already there pre Mackay. 2 of those players were kids when this happened so I doubt they'd even know about it.

I don't think this really tells us anything about what Mackay personally feels about non-white people in general. I also don't think it's ridiculous for him to be asked about these topics when he was found out to be racist/sexist/homophobic. Once you hold those views unless you do something to outwardly suggest you no longer do people are always going to question it, and that for me is enough for him not to be manager of hibs.

[BegbieHSC]

How many have you canvassed?

I don’t need to chap doors with a clipboard to know that it would be an extremely unpopular appointment.

- Big poll against his appointment here.
- Profoundly negative reaction on social media.
- Not a single conversation had in public with anyone who thinks he deserves to be at our club.

I’m fairly certain that I can judge his appointment would not be one met with acclaim.

At a time when many fans are expressing discontent over an apparent disconnect with the club, how would appointing a manager who a clear majority of fans want nowhere near the club restore that, and how would it inspire desperately slow season ticket sales to pick up?

The appointment of Mackay wouldn’t make business sense, and it would severely tarnish our social image.

[CropleyWasGod]

They have 4 black players in their squad, two of them are loans and 1 was already there pre Mackay. 2 of those players were kids when this happened so I doubt they'd even know about it.

I don't think this really tells us anything about what Mackay personally feels about non-white people in general. I also don't think it's ridiculous for him to be asked about these topics when he was found out to be racist/sexist/homophobic. Once you hold those views unless you do something to outwardly suggest you no longer do people are always going to question it, and that for me is enough for him not to be manager of hibs.

My point was to suggest that S90+2 had misunderstood Shrekko's post 🙂

[SlickShoes]

My point was to suggest that S90+2 had misunderstood Shrekko's post 🙂

My bad!

[Since90+2]

I think you're missing the point about the ethnicity of a couple of RC players this season.

I didn't miss the point at all about RC signing black players. I think it's yourself who's misunderstood mine.

My point was purely to respond to Stubbsy90+2 effectively saying well has he signed a gay player and how it's a ridiculous question to pose as we'd never know.

[CropleyWasGod]

I didn't miss the point at all about RC signing black players. I think it's yourself who's misunderstood mine.

My point was purely to respond to Stubbsy90+2 effectively saying well has he signed a gay player and how it's a ridiculous question to pose as we'd never know.

Sorry. I.meant Stubbsy90+2, not you .

See these similar usernames 🙃

[Since90+2]

Sorry. I.meant Stubbsy90+2, not you .

See these similar usernames 🙃

Ha! I know, all very confusing.

[Jones28]

This racism chat is going about as far as it should...

[Brightside]

He signed Robert Earnshaw for Cardiff before he made the comments. He signed Troy Deeney and Townsend for Watford before he made the comments. His racism doesn’t appear to have stopped him signing players previously so the fact he’s signed two black players for Ross County doesn’t really prove he’s no longer racist as some are suggesting.

Indeed. Having black people work for you is hardly an example of not being racist.

[heretoday]

I've worked out that Malky was Maloney's boss at Wigan. So assuming they get on, appoint him as manager and Maloney as assistant, since he obviously operates better in that role.
Sorted.

[jacomo]

Hibs.net really isn't representative of the wider Hibs support. There are a huge proportion of the support who wouldn't even know what it was, a similar number who have heard of it but would never even bother to look at it and then a sizeable minority who likely think it's a site for oddballs.

It also has an older demographic than other forms of social media that Hibs fans populate.


Really? How do you know this?

[Since90+2]

Really? How do you know this?

Well, if we take it that a good proportion of Hibs fans won't know what the site is, especially older fans who basically are never online, that covers the first point.

Second point they'll undoubtedly be fans who know what the site is but simply don't ever use it or view it. I think that's a given.

And the third point, ive heard on more than 1 occasion people slagging off the sad ***** ect on . net. I remember hearing about the young team slagging off the site and it's posters on here a while back in a boozer pre game.

And regarding the age demographic, if you go onto threads about best players ever seen, favourite Hibs managers, favourite games attended, a large number of these refer to players and games from many years ago, so the posters involved must be of a certain vintage.

[Pete]

This isn't even good trolling. 2/10

I know 😏.

Leaving the baggage aside, I'm not sure someone as divisive as Mackay is what we need right now. He's probably better off at Ross County where he can continue to build and do good things.
Someone out of left field for ourselves I reckon.

[jacomo]

Well, if we take it that a good proportion of Hibs fans won't know what the site is, especially older fans who basically are never online, that covers the first point.

Second point they'll undoubtedly be fans who know what the site is but simply don't ever use it or view it. I think that's a given.

And the third point, ive heard on more than 1 occasion people slagging off the sad ***** ect on . net. I remember hearing about the young team slagging off the site and it's posters on here a while back in a boozer pre game.

And regarding the age demographic, if you go onto threads about best players ever seen, favourite Hibs managers, favourite games attended, a large number of these refer to players and games from many years ago, so the posters involved must be of a certain vintage.


I get that many supporters don’t use Hibs.net. Of course that’s true.

But in what sense is it unrepresentative of our support? There are older posters here because there are older fans in our support, no?

A lot of what you’ve posted is just anecdotal.

[Since90+2]

I get that many supporters don’t use Hibs.net. Of course that’s true.

But in what sense is it unrepresentative of our support? There are older posters here because there are older fans in our support, no?

A lot of what you’ve posted is just anecdotal.

Apologies, I think I phrased it incorrectly. I didn't mean it's not representative rather it's really too small a group to get a accurate feeling on what the wider supports opinions are on individual matters like this.

[aberhibsfc]

No

[WhileTheChief..]

The more I think about it the more I'd be really disappointed if he doesn't get it.

Doubt he’s even on our radar.

[ScottB]

Ultimately, clubs are free to hire anyone who is legally able to work. Raith decided to bring in David Goodwillie, with his past of sexual and physical assault, Hearts brought in Graham Rix and kept that player on their books despite both having a decidedly dodgy history with young girls, County have gone for Mackay despite his previous for racism and bigotry. Wouldn’t surprise me if someone signs Mason Greenwood if he ever makes it back to a football pitch.

Hibs are equally free to go after those guys, or anyone else with such a background, it’s not illegal. But then individual supporters have the right to react to that and decide whether they will continue to contribute their time and money if someone Hibs hired didn’t mesh with their own beliefs. It’s not ‘cancel culture’ or ‘woke’ or whatever other nonsensical gibberish gets flung around, it’s consumer choice and freedom, which really is about the only genuine freedom any of us have left in our society. If you ain’t happy with a choice a business makes, you stop shopping there.

In cold business logic, it’s a cost / benefit analysis. Is hiring a racist, or a rapist, or a sex offender going to bring more benefits than it will the costs of supporter unrest and media attention?

For me, it isn’t, and certainly doesn’t mix with a club claiming to be a force for good in its community, or setting a high standard. But then neither does having booze, bookie or crypto sponsors, so it’s not like they haven’t acted in arguably hypocritical ways in the past.

[Keith_M]

63% No.

That's fairly decisive, I'd say.

[heretoday]

Mackay has attended diversity and equality re-education since his texting controversy. You have to reckon that's a good thing and that he's a sadder but wiser individual.
Unless you think that such courses are just a way of whitewashing something embarrassing and he just paid lip service to it all.
Anyway his experience hasn't blunted his managerial skills because he is doing a fine job in Dingwall and I believe he'd be a very good appointment.

[FitbaFolkKen]

Mackay has attended diversity and equality re-education since his texting controversy. You have to reckon that's a good thing and that he's a sadder but wiser individual.
Unless you think that such courses are just a way of whitewashing something embarrassing and he just paid lip service to it all.
Anyway his experience hasn't blunted his managerial skills because he is doing a fine job in Dingwall and I believe he'd be a very good appointment.

According to stubbsy they are a lot of pish as he has been on some other pishy training courses in the past so they count for nothing.


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[sunshinejim]

Mackay has attended diversity and equality re-education since his texting controversy. You have to reckon that's a good thing and that he's a sadder but wiser individual.
Unless you think that such courses are just a way of whitewashing something embarrassing and he just paid lip service to it all.
Anyway his experience hasn't blunted his managerial skills because he is doing a fine job in Dingwall and I believe he'd be a very good appointment.

He probably would be a great appointment as he knows his football, however, i find society and people in general are pretty much unforgiving and revel in gossip and muck raking. It wouldn't bother me much if he was appointed and got stuck in but its a hell of a risk to take due to gossips and grasses unwilling to give redeemers a clean slate.

[HoboHarry]

Got to love these threads. Loads of howling about sacking the coach because we are s***e and once we do, we get thread upon thread with the same tired faces from the Scottish managerial merry go round. Lol.....

[CapitalGreen]

Got to love these threads. Loads of howling about sacking the coach because we are s***e and once we do, we get thread upon thread with the same tired faces from the Scottish managerial merry go round. Lol.....

Malkay MacKay has managed in Scotland for less than a year and only been at one Scottish club. What is the relevance of the comment “same tired faces from the Scottish managerial merry go round” to this thread?