Aberdeen v Hibernian

[Stokesy's on fire]

He’d never appointed a football manager before Maloney
Wonder who at Hibs walked him through this?

Maybe it wasnt who but what...I'm going with Vodka

[loanheadhibby]

How are you or I to know what actually happened?

All I know is that every time we sack a manager the club come out with the same ****. “150 CV’s landed on my desk, best candidate by far, blah blah blah”.

I’m delighted the club went a bit off piste and went and found someone they felt ticked the boxes, rather than sift through the options and make a choice out of who applied.

We have clearly gone for a younger team, made some huge differences to the squad, brought in some exciting players and are still a team that is gelling and finding their feet.

what exciting players? It’s like watching paint dry. We’re struggling to get in top 6 against the likes of Ross County and St Mirren. We’ve failed to beat the 2 bottom sides without scoring goals in either game.

We’re goodness knows how many points behind the ****bos who everyone keeps saying are very average.

Maloney has not improved us 1 bit compared to JR team ( which was also honking).

[loanheadhibby]

Ben Kensall. 100% down to him.

Not just Maloney, everything's gone a bit pear shaped since he was appointed.

I'd let him go along with Maloney and start from scratch.

Kensell & Maloney have been unmitigated disasters this far. Jury out on both.

[Callum_62]

I presume we will be appealing Portos red card

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[Johnny_Leith]

We’ve made a complete mess of it.

Invested a tonne into Maloney when it’s so obvious his game plan / ‘style of play’ doesn’t work with the players we have.

The players are uncomfortable with the setup and are making game defining mistakes, we barely create any chances and imo we definitely do not control games.

Some of the players brought in look poor, Henderson and bushiri don’t impress me at all.

It’s looking bleak, we’re being asked to have faith that this will all work out under Maloney but bar his first two games And the derby, Im not seeing much that really gives me hope, never mind get me excited. JDH saved face v county with two strikes from range and Motherwell were down to 10 within the blink of an eye then panicked before finding themselves 2 goals down and proceeded to be the better side throughout the second half.

And a huge 3 games up next? If there’s not a semi final victory and a top 6 place secured he needs sacked, I would be tempted to do it now tbh, I can’t see this appointment working out. Nothing against Maloney personally but it just doesn’t seem a good fit.

[WeeRussell]

Incident coming up on Alba for anyone interested

[wookie70]

Alan Muir apologised after the game for getting the first penalty wrong.


At least this time he apologised rather than claiming he didnt see it despite looking right at it the cheating *******

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It was obvious that it hit Rocky's knee. No idea how so many on here missed that. That was the big turning point in the game but we really didn't deserve anything from it

[Lancs Harp]

He isn’t talking about finishing 6th. He is talking about getting in the top 6 at the split. Without doing that we can’t finish 4th.

Was a generalisation mate. We should always be competing in Europe virtually every season. Weve got the ugly sisters then a "band two" Hibs Hearts and Aberdeen yet of thise three clubs over god knows how many decades were bottom in terms of achievements. Why?

[WeeRussell]

Incident coming up on Alba for anyone interested

It’s a tough one based on first couple of replays I seen. On one hand it looks like one of his ridiculous lunges, but on the other, you can just about make a case that he’s trying to swing his leg round to block/nick the ball.

I wonder if yellow would have sufficed. Will see on sportscene later.

What is ridiculous is people trying to blame Josh Campbell for it 😂

[cabbageandribs1875]

Incident coming up on Alba for anyone interested


just in time for porteous swiping the legs from under the dons dude, hopefully get another look at the first penalty over the next few days

[Alfred E Newman]

It was obvious that it hit Rocky's knee. No idea how so many on here missed that. That was the big turning point in the game but we really didn't deserve anything from it

I’ve just see the Porteous incident and a ridiculous red card imo.

[Coach Jon]

It’s a tough one based on first couple of replays I seen. On one hand it looks like one of his ridiculous lunges, but on the other, you can just about make a case that he’s trying to swing his leg round to block/nick the ball.

I wonder if yellow would have sufficed. Will see on sportscene later.

What is ridiculous is people trying to blame Josh Campbell for it 😂

Just watched it on ALBA, its an honest attempt by Porteous to get the ball, never a red card. Also Stevensons yellow card was never a card.
Not making excuses, but we were playing against 12 men today.

[marinello59]

Nobody had to be in his ear, Kensell is chief executive, he didn’t get to that kind of position knowing **** all about football and managers.

Looks like he did. He talks a lot and says **** all.

[marinello59]

Just watched it on ALBA, its an honest attempt by Porteous to get the ball, never a red card. Also Stevensons yellow card was never a card.
Not making excuses, but we were playing against 12 men today.

That’s how I saw it. Ref was terrible.

[Callum_62]

That’s how I saw it. Ref was terrible.How was there winger that was rolling around to get Stevenson booked not at least booked?

Pulled Rockys hair, screamed in the linos face and done one of the worse dives I've seen

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[Chorley Hibee]

On the train home from the game.

Referee was crap, but he's not responsible for us losing and failing to trouble the opposition yet again.

Thoroughly disillusioned with Hibs yet again if I'm being honest.

Pedestrian play, team that creates nothing, lone striker isolated for the entirety of the match, nobody showing for a pass, nobody supporting the man in possession, nobody running beyond the man in possession, spineless once reduced to ten (as always).

Played the bottom 3 in our last three games and failed to win any. Only goal in those three games coming from an own goal.

Bottom half I'm afraid and I dread to think what Hampden brings us next month.

Also, if Mueller can't get into that side before Drey Wright, Josh Campbell etc, then he's not half the player he's been made out to be.

[Green Reaper]

Just watched it on ALBA, its an honest attempt by Porteous to get the ball, never a red card. Also Stevensons yellow card was never a card.
Not making excuses, but we were playing against 12 men today.

I don’t know what Stevenson was actually booked for as the free kick was awarded to us?

[La Machine Vert]

How was there winger that was rolling around to get Stevenson booked not at least booked?

Pulled Rockys hair, screamed in the linos face and done one of the worse dives I've seen

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I don't post too often as I'm usually too livid...as I am tonight.
Totally agree re. their winger and several other Aberdeen players. From the start, falling over, rolling around and generally diving for slight contact.
Tough to watch as we were pretty poor but it didn't help. First penalty and absolute joke. Porto, not a red in my biased opinion but the ref only gets one look at it. They bossed us and we couldn't retain any meaningful possession. Same old same old against certain teams/tactics. We should be have leaned by now but alas not. Been the same picture for years now despite different managers/players/ethos. Something has to change but I really don't see it happening any time soon given the current playing staff. The players might react short term but we need more, a lot more GGTTH

[sorrow sorrow]

Campbell Wright Stevenson now automatic picks,enough said

[Tambo]

I'm not expecting Brazil 1970's but why are we so persistent on negative football all of a sudden as a club?

Even under Ross most of the time it wasn't great but we somehow managed 3rd but looked what happened this season.

[Glory Lurker]

I'm not expecting Brazil 1970's but why are we so persistent on negative football all of a sudden as a club?

Even under Ross most of the time it wasn't great but we somehow managed 3rd but looked what happened this season.

We got third in a league that was hopeless outside the bigots, us and Aberdeen. For different reasons, us and Aberdeen have joined the mess below.

[1875Sean]

I'm not expecting Brazil 1970's but why are we so persistent on negative football all of a sudden as a club?

Even under Ross most of the time it wasn't great but we somehow managed 3rd but looked what happened this season.

Correct and the amount of times we heard possession based attack minded football was unreal

The media team said it to every new arrival, not seen such negative football since Alex Miller

[I'm Spartacus]

Great result v Motherwell, but we played 90 minutes v 10 men (yes, 88+ stoppage), seems we have to have that level of an advantage to compete.

I was worried weeks ago, I'm 10x worse now. Dundee United, Hearts, Hearts - what could possibly go wrong?

[mokie]

Let's be honest here , we were shocking again today.. Far too slow in our build up. No support to Melkersen who was just running about on his own like a headless chicken.

Porteous getting himself sent off for a challenge that he was never going to win. Yeh he will say it's a genuine attempt to win the ball but it was never on..

Jack Ross left Maloney will a pile of crap albeit not helped by the recruitment of Mathie. Scott on loan who hasn't played for god knows how long due to a bad injury and the less said about Wood the better I am afraid..

The top 6 is a must along with a semi final victory because if we don't make it then it'll have the knock on effect for the fans who haven't renewed this season and season ticket numbers could be at a new low considering how many we lost due to Covid....

Also the summer window must be effective because if it isn't and we get off to a bad start then the fans will turn on Maloney and he won't have the excuses of injuries and not having his own players to fall back on........

[Jones28]

He’d never appointed a football manager before Maloney
Wonder who at Hibs walked him through this?

People have agency when they get to these kind of positions. BK I’d like to think didn’t need walked through anything. He would consult no doubt, but the idea he needed his hand held through the process is more terrifying than anything else.

And is not something I believe.

[1875Sean]

Let's be honest here , we were shocking again today.. Far too slow in our build up. No support to Melkersen who was just running about on his own like a headless chicken.

Porteous getting himself sent off for a challenge that he was never going to win. Yeh he will say it's a genuine attempt to win the ball but it was never on..

Jack Ross left Maloney will a pile of crap albeit not helped by the recruitment of Mathie. Scott on loan who hasn't played for god knows how long due to a bad injury and the less said about Wood the better I am afraid..

The top 6 is a must along with a semi final victory because if we don't make it then it'll have the knock on effect for the fans who haven't renewed this season and season ticket numbers could be at a new low considering how many we lost due to Covid....

Also the summer window must be effective because if it isn't and we get off to a bad start then the fans will turn on Maloney and he won't have the excuses of injuries and not having his own players to fall back on........

People keep blaming recruitment however we have enough talent in the squad to be doing better, for me it’s down to the Maloney experiment and it’s not working

[Jones28]

Ben's career was on commercial side at Norwich (and in previous roles), only stepping up to main management role late 2018 - which was well after Daniel ****e who got Norwich promoted was appointed.

I would be surprised given the roles he was in if Maloney was not the the first time he has been responsible for a process of hiring a manager.

He probably was, but like I said to BW, you don’t get in to these positions without showing some sort of footballing brain, something that says to an owner that you know what you’re doing.

[Since452]

We got third in a league that was hopeless outside the bigots, us and Aberdeen. For different reasons, us and Aberdeen have joined the mess below.

The league is worse this season. A lot worse.

[PolmontHibby]

He probably was, but like I said to BW, you don’t get in to these positions without showing some sort of footballing brain, something that says to an owner that you know what you’re doing.

I really hope so....no doubt he has a commercial brain and has the smarts, hopefully it all ends well.......unfortunately recruitment of a successful manager seems more variable than driving revenue streams, regardless of who is involved.

[Alfred E Newman]

The league is worse this season. A lot worse.

Which means we are also a lot worse.
Instead of building on last season we are back to mid table mediocrity.
Well done to everyone concerned.

[wookie70]

Correct and the amount of times we heard possession based attack minded football was unreal

The media team said it to every new arrival, not seen such negative football since Alex Miller

We are even seeing the ball launched out of play at kick off and 11 back at corners so very similar. Miller's teams were better to watch that this though

[Heisenberg]

Maloney has been in charge for 13 league matches. 3 wins, 5 draws, 5 defeats. Mainly dreadful to watch and lacking goals. Big job on his hands to get us firing before the end of the season. We just don’t look like a very good team and haven’t done since before he came in.

[Hulk1875]

I’ve never known hibs to be a dirty team and I’m 33 years old and last couple seasons our disciplinary record been shocking. Why have people refs sfa etc got it in for us because a lot of decisions sending offs especially are harsh

[Hulk1875]

What’s the hatred for hibs all about?

[JimBHibees]

The league is worse this season. A lot worse.

Clearly nonsense league is much stronger

[JimBHibees]

Great result v Motherwell, but we played 90 minutes v 10 men (yes, 88+ stoppage), seems we have to have that level of an advantage to compete.

I was worried weeks ago, I'm 10x worse now. Dundee United, Hearts, Hearts - what could possibly go wrong?

We were the better team today until the ref gave them a pen which wasnt

[JimBHibees]

Kensell & Maloney have been unmitigated disasters this far. Jury out on both.

Usual negative hyperbole never seen when we do ok.

[Is It On....]

Which means we are also a lot worse.
Instead of building on last season we are back to mid table mediocrity.
Well done to everyone concerned.

Mid table would be a great result at the moment. The number of points we have picked up this year (8) is relegation form (1 win in 11 league games).

[Sir David Gray]

Maloney has been in charge for 13 league matches. 3 wins, 5 draws, 5 defeats. Mainly dreadful to watch and lacking goals. Big job on his hands to get us firing before the end of the season. We just don’t look like a very good team and haven’t done since before he came in.

1 win, 5 draws and 5 defeats in our last 11 league games (8 points from a possible 33) is really dreadful.

We really need to win this semi final next month.

[Just_Jimmy]

2 Derby losses and he's away. The fans will be gone if that's what happens.

He was a ***** appointment and he's not cut out for it. Utterly bizarre.

I'm genuinely worried about the lack of direction and leadership at hibs


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[NAE NOOKIE]

1 win, 5 draws and 5 defeats in our last 11 league games (8 points from a possible 33) is really dreadful.

We really need to win this semi final next month.

Win the semi final? ... at this rate we'll be lucky if Hearts don't take 3 or 4 off us. Probably our only performance of any note since Maloney took over is that draw with Hearts at ER where we were at least competitive, since then we have barely risen above mediocrity. We may have beaten Motherwell, but nobody can pretend that for 45 minutes we weren't second best to 10 men. Today we barely created anything as has been the case in practically every game since Maloney arrived.

The lad Melkersen proved against Motherwell that he can be a sharp striker when given decent service, the way Hibs are playing, in games where the ref doesn't hand us an advantage in the first minute, the guy could run about up there all bloody week and never get a chance worth the name.

I'm seriously beginning to think that we are going to finish the season in 10th place, never mind make the top 6. We have only scored 5 more goals than Dundee in bottom place and they have played a game less FFS. The football is slow ponderous lacking in inventiveness or imagination and entirely unsuited to the players we have, or possibly ever will have. I am seriously beginning to think the club has made an enormous mistake in appointing Maloney, the guy is an idealist who want's Hibs to play like Man City with players most of whom wouldn't get a game for Birmingham City.

I for one am absolutely dreading both the league game at Tynecastle and the semi final, the way we are playing I just can't see how the hell we can get any kind of a result in either one.

I'll be at Hampden, I'll be at every game at Easter Road until the end of the season and I'll renew my season ticket, but I just can't come on here and say I can see any sign of a positive end to the season or Hibs ever being an effective team playing the way Maloney wants us to.

[MWHIBBIES]

I desperately want this season over, I have for weeks. Its an absolute mess and due to the cup semi, can get really ugly for the club and those running things. The mess we find ourselves in after a good season last year is absolutely pathetic. Kensell, Gordon and Maloney have serious questions to answer. Kean as well.

Who's ****ing idea was it to write this season off by appointing a rookie and signing a load of kids and of course letting our best player go in January when even a decent run would've had us competing for 3rd. Injuries haven't helped but we've absolutely ****ed ourselves and putting our heads in the sand and hoping it might get better is not an option.

Nothing more than loyalty to Hibs keeping me going. Zero confidence in owner, ceo or manager. Arrogant dicks all 3 of them, thinking they know best. Dempster forgotten more about running a successful club in Scotland than kensell and Gordon know, and Maloneys inability to get anything at all from this team is frightening. He'll be punted with us sitting 10th in December.

[CentreLine]

We are totally unwatchable! Maloney is way out of his depth. I really fear for us in the approaching Derbies.We are as bad as I have ever seen us in 50 plus years of watching.


100% agree - the injured players coming back aren’t going to suddenly make us win games.

We have regressed since Jack Ross - simple.

My worry is Maloney will continue to stick with this formation which is suited
to world class players only - not Drey Wright.

This coaching experiment isn’t working and fans are getting more and more frustrated.

It doesn’t take a genius to see this shape isn’t working. Always too many players behind the ball.

I feel your pain. Over 55 years of attending Easter Road, from the age of 8 and this is the most utterly depressing I’ve found the place.
It all started so optimistically too. Jack Ross was making progress, despite the negative noises coming from a small but noisy portion of fans, most of whom declared him a failure before he set foot in the place and we’re only ever going to see failure. There I was, even spending time helping to clean the place up and construct seating in the East Stand. Covid looking like loosening it’s grip and there were green shoots of good football to look forward too.

A dreadful summer signing project left us short in the crucial areas of the park that JR had specifically identified for improvement and we were always going to tread water a bit. Add to that the injuries and daft suspensions to critical players and the side was already up against it. Despite that, we were still in touch with the top portion of the league and made another cup final.

Then the board seem to panic at the noisy minority and dump the manger, with a whole fanfare about, fast flowing, entertaining football to look forward to. Well, I ask you, what in the name of the wee man have we done to our club? We had an equally ineffective winter signing program whilst the football is some kind of clockwork, predictable, ineffective tripe and we are second best all over the park.

The steady progress and transition under Jack Ross is done. Most people have got over it but it has not yet been replaced by the promised new dawn. We were not promised another transition but that’s what we have got.

The manager needs time since we did not deliver on the entertainment stuff yet. I’ll be buying a ST again but I am not convinced I am the kind of supprter the club wants. The club seems content with permanent transition plus a small but ignorant bunch of coked up dafties in the stand, who probably transferred their allegiance to ER when their behaviour was not tolerated at Tynecastle or with Edinburgh City. The future looks very grey right now.

[easty]

I feel your pain. Over 55 years of attending Easter Road, from the age of 8 and this is the most utterly depressing I’ve found the place.
It all started so optimistically too. Jack Ross was making progress, despite the negative noises coming from a small but noisy portion of fans, most of whom declared him a failure before he set foot in the place and we’re only ever going to see failure. There I was, even spending time helping to clean the place up and construct seating in the East Stand. Covid looking like loosening it’s grip and there were green shoots of good football to look forward too.

A dreadful summer signing project left us short in the crucial areas of the park that JR had specifically identified for improvement and we were always going to tread water a bit. Add to that the injuries and daft suspensions to critical players and the side was already up against it. Despite that, we were still in touch with the top portion of the league and made another cup final.

Then the board seem to panic at the noisy minority and dump the manger, with a whole fanfare about, fast flowing, entertaining football to look forward to. Well, I ask you, what in the name of the wee man have we done to our club? We had an equally ineffective winter signing program whilst the football is some kind of clockwork, predictable, ineffective tripe and we are second best all over the park.

The steady progress and transition under Jack Ross is done. Most people have got over it but it has not yet been replaced by the promised new dawn. We were not promised another transition but that’s what we have got.

The manager needs time since we did not deliver on the entertainment stuff yet. I’ll be buying a ST again but I am not convinced I am the kind of supprter the club wants. The club seems content with permanent transition plus a small but ignorant bunch of coked up dafties in the stand, who probably transferred their allegiance to ER when their behaviour was not tolerated at Tynecastle or with Edinburgh City. The future looks very grey right now.

Jack Ross was sacked because the results were pathetic and the football was horrendous. The fact that Maloney isn’t doing any better is irrelevant. It wasn’t a panic decision to sack Jack Ross, it’d been coming. Maloney has been a poor appointment to date, he’s lost 6 of his 18 games. Jack Ross lost 7 of his last 10 at Hibs. To say it was a panic decision is silly.

Your last paragraph is a load of greeting faced pish. It doesn’t deserve a better response than that.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Just watched the highlights back on YouTube and I still think the referee has got both decisions right.

If the Rocky pen goes to VAR in the EPL, European football etc it gets given every time.

As for the Porteous one, he’s directly behind the boy and the player has his body completely between the ball and Porteous. The ball isn’t there to be won for Porteous without wiping out the man. It’s a red card and won’t be overturned if we appeal it imo.

[J-C]

The league is worse this season. A lot worse.


Really?

Hearts are there and much better, Dundee U have improved as have Livingston who have given all so called top teams a hard game.

Aberdeen and Hibs have went backwards and dropped into the mid table bottom 6 mire, we were not that good last season and 3rd actually flattered us, by not strengthening properly in the summer has come back to hurt us and the squad is now a real mess.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Jack Ross was sacked because the results were pathetic and the football was horrendous. The fact that Maloney isn’t doing any better is irrelevant. It wasn’t a panic decision to sack Jack Ross, it’d been coming.

Your last paragraph is a load of greeting faced pish. It doesn’t deserve a better response than that.

:agree:

Jack Ross being sacked isn’t the issue here. There was nothing to suggest he was turning things round. We were getting worse week on week over a sustained period of time under him.

Maloney is starting to look like a potential mistake but it’s still early doors. That doesn’t mean it was the wrong decision to sack JR though. We weren’t any better towards the end under him.

[Ardenttwo]

I feel your pain. Over 55 years of attending Easter Road, from the age of 8 and this is the most utterly depressing I’ve found the place.
It all started so optimistically too. Jack Ross was making progress, despite the negative noises coming from a small but noisy portion of fans, most of whom declared him a failure before he set foot in the place and we’re only ever going to see failure. There I was, even spending time helping to clean the place up and construct seating in the East Stand. Covid looking like loosening it’s grip and there were green shoots of good football to look forward too.

A dreadful summer signing project left us short in the crucial areas of the park that JR had specifically identified for improvement and we were always going to tread water a bit. Add to that the injuries and daft suspensions to critical players and the side was already up against it. Despite that, we were still in touch with the top portion of the league and made another cup final.

Then the board seem to panic at the noisy minority and dump the manger, with a whole fanfare about, fast flowing, entertaining football to look forward to. Well, I ask you, what in the name of the wee man have we done to our club? We had an equally ineffective winter signing program whilst the football is some kind of clockwork, predictable, ineffective tripe and we are second best all over the park.

The steady progress and transition under Jack Ross is done. Most people have got over it but it has not yet been replaced by the promised new dawn. We were not promised another transition but that’s what we have got.

The manager needs time since we did not deliver on the entertainment stuff yet. I’ll be buying a ST again but I am not convinced I am the kind of supprter the club wants. The club seems content with permanent transition plus a small but ignorant bunch of coked up dafties in the stand, who probably transferred their allegiance to ER when their behaviour was not tolerated at Tynecastle or with Edinburgh City. The future looks very grey right now.

I agree 100% with this Centreline. I have more or less followed our team the same years as you have and traveling to games from up here near Elgin which was from 7 in the morning getting home at 11 at night. Yesterday was more or less the nearest game to my home and I could not even be bothered to go through. That’s three games now that I have paid to get the game on my laptop/TV and stopped watching long before the final whistle

No doubt I will get my ST renewed and be at Hampden but with little or no confidence that we will get a result. Our style of football is the same every game and playing out from the back often in our own penalty box has been sussed out by other managers/coaches

I expect to get the usual accusations that I am a Jambo but I can assure you that is simply not true but I genuinely fear for the way our club is being run.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Really?

Hearts are there and much better, Dundee U have improved as have Livingston who have given all so called top teams a hard game.

Aberdeen and Hibs have went backwards and dropped into the mid table bottom 6 mire, we were not that good last season and 3rd actually flattered us, by not strengthening properly in the summer has come back to hurt us and the squad is now a real mess.

The league is much of a muchness imo.

Hearts have taken our spot as best of the rest. Aberdeen have been replaced by DU.

After that everyone else has been ***** both seasons really.

[J-C]

The league is much of a muchness imo.

Hearts have taken our spot as best of the rest. Aberdeen have been replaced by DU.

After that everyone else has been ***** both seasons really.


Possibly, still a **** season though.

[JohnM1875]

Just watched the highlights back on YouTube and I still think the referee has got both decisions right.

If that pen goes to VAR in the EPL, European football etc it gets given every time.

As for the Porteous one, he’s directly behind the boy and the player has his body completely between the ball and Porteous. The ball isn’t there to be won for Porteous without wiping out the man. It’s a red card and won’t be overturned if we appeal it imo.

Couldn't disagree more with the first penalty. It hits Campbell then fires against Rocky's hand. By the current rules that can't be a penalty.

What's Rocky supposed to do?

[we are hibs]

I feel your pain. Over 55 years of attending Easter Road, from the age of 8 and this is the most utterly depressing I’ve found the place.
It all started so optimistically too. Jack Ross was making progress, despite the negative noises coming from a small but noisy portion of fans, most of whom declared him a failure before he set foot in the place and we’re only ever going to see failure. There I was, even spending time helping to clean the place up and construct seating in the East Stand. Covid looking like loosening it’s grip and there were green shoots of good football to look forward too.

A dreadful summer signing project left us short in the crucial areas of the park that JR had specifically identified for improvement and we were always going to tread water a bit. Add to that the injuries and daft suspensions to critical players and the side was already up against it. Despite that, we were still in touch with the top portion of the league and made another cup final.

Then the board seem to panic at the noisy minority and dump the manger, with a whole fanfare about, fast flowing, entertaining football to look forward to. Well, I ask you, what in the name of the wee man have we done to our club? We had an equally ineffective winter signing program whilst the football is some kind of clockwork, predictable, ineffective tripe and we are second best all over the park.

The steady progress and transition under Jack Ross is done. Most people have got over it but it has not yet been replaced by the promised new dawn. We were not promised another transition but that’s what we have got.

The manager needs time since we did not deliver on the entertainment stuff yet. I’ll be buying a ST again but I am not convinced I am the kind of supprter the club wants. The club seems content with permanent transition plus a small but ignorant bunch of coked up dafties in the stand, who probably transferred their allegiance to ER when their behaviour was not tolerated at Tynecastle or with Edinburgh City. The future looks very grey right now.Jack Ross deserved to be sacked and showed zero sign of turning around this slump we are in (which started under him btw) regardless of whether Maloney ends up good enough or not.

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[Paulie Walnuts]

Couldn't disagree more with the first penalty. It hits Campbell then fires against Rocky's hand. By the current rules that can't be a penalty.

What's Rocky supposed to do?

I’m not blaming Rocky, I don’t think there really is much he could do. He’s just desperately unlucky.

The ball hits his hand though and his arm is out from his body making himself bigger. To me, it’s a pen and I’d want it if it was the other way round and would expect to see it given based on VAR.

[J-C]

I’m not blaming Rocky, I don’t think there really is much he could do. He’s just desperately unlucky.

The ball hits his hand though and his arm is out from his body making himself bigger. To me, it’s a pen and I’d want it if it was the other way round and would expect to see it given based on VAR.


It hits his arm after it comes off his knee, therefore no penalty, cannot be hand ball if it hits another part of the body 1st, the ref even apologised after the game and said he got it wrong.

[Since90+2]

Said it at the time Ross had more than enough credit in the bank to be given longer.

Unfortunately Maloney hasn't been a good appointment, and I genuinely believe we'd have more points if Ross had stayed.

[JohnM1875]

It hits his arm after it comes off his knee, therefore no penalty, cannot be hand ball if it hits another part of the body 1st, the ref even apologised after the game and said he got it wrong.

Is that right? The ref had an absolute shocker in my opinion. The whole match he was brutal.

[Paulie Walnuts]

It hits his arm after it comes off his knee, therefore no penalty, cannot be hand ball if it hits another part of the body 1st, the ref even apologised after the game and said he got it wrong.

I’ve watched it back a couple of times and im not able to make up my mind whether it does or not. It all happens pretty quick. If that happens then it’s maybe a different story.

[Since452]

Jack Ross deserved to be sacked and showed zero sign of turning around this slump we are in (which started under him btw) regardless of whether Maloney ends up good enough or not.

Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk

The slump was brought about by playing a rediculous amount of games in such a short space of time with a squad reeling from Covid and injuries and suspensions to his best players. The more we toil under Maloney the more rediculous his sacking becomes. Ross should have got the transfer window.

[J-C]

Is that right? The ref had an absolute shocker in my opinion. The whole match he was brutal.


Taken from the Record and a quote from Maloney.

Maloney admitted his coaching staff got an explanation from Muir for his calls and it might have changed if Scottish football had VAR.
He admitted: “He didn’t see the ball deflect off Rocky’s knee onto his arm.
“If he’s got that wrong he says he apologises, but people make mistakes.

[Paulie Walnuts]

The slump was brought about by playing a rediculous amount of games in such a short space of time with a squad reeling from Covid and injuries and suspensions to his best players. The more we toil under Maloney the more rediculous his sacking becomes.

No it doesn’t.

Toiling under Maloney doesn’t make his sacking ridiculous. The two of them are completely different situations which have no bearing on each other. We were an absolute shambles at the end under Jack Ross and each week we seemed to get even worse. There was absolutely nothing to suggest he was turning it around and all the evidence was pointing to it getting worse.

Maloney is toiling right now and there’s an argument that he’s not been a good appointment. That doesn’t mean sacking Jack Ross was ridiculous though because we were every bit as bad under him towards the end.

[Stokesy's on fire]

So much talk about the 2 pens but not much being said about the blatant foul on Josh Campbell for their third.

[Scotty Leither]

Taken from the Record and a quote from Maloney.

Maloney admitted his coaching staff got an explanation from Muir for his calls and it might have changed if Scottish football had VAR.
He admitted: “He didn’t see the ball deflect off Rocky’s knee onto his arm.
“If he’s got that wrong he says he apologises, but people make mistakes.

This same ref made a “mistake” in the play off game with Falkirk when the guy placed his hand on the ball in the box that is comfortably the worst decision I’ve ever seen on a football field at any level of football.

Muir is a clown amongst a woeful bunch of clowns, and Maloney shouldn’t be indulging him by excusing his mistake, he should be calling on him to be demoted.

[ThisIsTheYear]

This is my second attempt at this. I got kicked out as I tried to post, so if you don't agree with what follows that doesn't mean I'm not right, okay :-)

I agree that cash has been put in by RG. No doubt about that. What we don't have is an equivalent of FoH. HSL, which I am a contributing member of, doesn't compare.




Hearts have in the space of twelve months gone from an emptying by Brora and a, realistically, unimpressive Championship campaign to where they are just now.

Okay, the most likely challengers, us and AFC, have one way or the other shot ourselves in the foot, but this time last year we'd both have felt, on-pitch wise, that we were way better than them.

Hearts have kept the same manager and have skooshed. What is different is that FoH aren't repaying the loan anymore. It's all free money. Their income will be way ahead of ours, I reckon.

RG has put in the money and been supportive. I'm not saying he hasn't or saying he should do more. I just worry that the predicted separation of financial means between us and them is happening now.

This is my worry, especially with group stages of Europe at stake. Guaranteed 8 games depending who they draw could be a big money spinner. If any of the teams (us, Hearts or Aberdeen) could go and finish 3rd for a couple of seasons on the bounce the gap could really open up between us…

[Skol]

Said it at the time Ross had more than enough credit in the bank to be given longer.

Unfortunately Maloney hasn't been a good appointment, and I genuinely believe we'd have more points if Ross had stayed.

I agree with this. Yes we were in a poor run, but we acted far too hastily. I said at the time we may make the wrong choice and regret the change. Based on the evidence so far, I don’t think maloney is the man and we have got worse under him.

However it’s not fair to just blame maloney as the whole operation of the club has regressed and that I believe contributes to how things are. We do also need to take account of the injury position. However we have as a club left ourselves short of players in key areas and have been unable to cover the injuries.

I don’t like the way maloney sets the team up as we don’t at this point in time have the players to make it work

It feel like we cross our fingers and hope the next three games bring result, but if they don’t we are in a pretty poor position.

[Brightside]

Really?

Hearts are there and much better, Dundee U have improved as have Livingston who have given all so called top teams a hard game.

Aberdeen and Hibs have went backwards and dropped into the mid table bottom 6 mire, we were not that good last season and 3rd actually flattered us, by not strengthening properly in the summer has come back to hurt us and the squad is now a real mess.

All the teams outside of the top 3 have been brutal this season. If any of them put a run of 3 or 4 games together they would be clear in 4th. It’s a terrible standard of football this season.

[Since452]

Really?

Hearts are there and much better, Dundee U have improved as have Livingston who have given all so called top teams a hard game.

Aberdeen and Hibs have went backwards and dropped into the mid table bottom 6 mire, we were not that good last season and 3rd actually flattered us, by not strengthening properly in the summer has come back to hurt us and the squad is now a real mess.

4th to 12th are like drunk men kicking a can about the street at closing time. The fact we are somehow 5th says it all.

[JimBHibees]

This same ref made a “mistake” in the play off game with Falkirk when the guy placed his hand on the ball in the box that is comfortably the worst decision I’ve ever seen on a football field at any level of football.

Muir is a clown amongst a woeful bunch of clowns, and Maloney shouldn’t be indulging him by excusing his mistake, he should be calling on him to be demoted.

Muir has done us over so many times. Has an issue with us for some reason and I knew we were getting done over when he was the ref. The Falkirk decision wasn't a mistake it was cheating and corrupt yesterday was similar. I would take any apology from him with a quarry full of salt.

[easty]

Said it at the time Ross had more than enough credit in the bank to be given longer.

Unfortunately Maloney hasn't been a good appointment, and I genuinely believe we'd have more points if Ross had stayed.

I think anyone that thinks Ross would be doing better has a short memory. Go back and watch the highlights of the last few months of Ross. Go read the match threads on here. We were terrible. The tactics were “let’s hope Boyles not marked out the game today”.

Ross had a good season last season. Results at the start of this season were great too, but even then the football was horrible to watch. When you’re winning you can accept that, well I can at least. When the quality of football doesn’t get any better, and results start to get worse and worse, then inevitably the manager loses his job.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I think anyone that thinks Ross would be doing better has a short memory. Go back and watch the highlights of the last few months of Ross. Go read the match threads on here. We were terrible. The tactics were “let’s hope Boyles not marked out the game today”.

Ross had a good season last season. Results at the start of this season were great too, but even then the football was horrible to watch. When you’re winning you can accept that, well I can at least. When the quality of football doesn’t get any better, and results start to get worse and worse, then inevitably the manager loses his job.

:agree:

Towards the end of JRs reign we were abysmal and each week when you thought we can’t be any worse that’s exactly what we ended up being.

That was also with Martin Boyle. There was nothing to suggest JR was turning things round and I shudder to think of a JR team without Martin Boyle.

He had to go when he did. We as a club though had to have improved off the back of it more than we have.

[Hibs90]

I desperately want this season over, I have for weeks. Its an absolute mess and due to the cup semi, can get really ugly for the club and those running things. The mess we find ourselves in after a good season last year is absolutely pathetic. Kensell, Gordon and Maloney have serious questions to answer. Kean as well.

Who's ****ing idea was it to write this season off by appointing a rookie and signing a load of kids and of course letting our best player go in January when even a decent run would've had us competing for 3rd. Injuries haven't helped but we've absolutely ****ed ourselves and putting our heads in the sand and hoping it might get better is not an option.

Nothing more than loyalty to Hibs keeping me going. Zero confidence in owner, ceo or manager. Arrogant dicks all 3 of them, thinking they know best. Dempster forgotten more about running a successful club in Scotland than kensell and Gordon know, and Maloneys inability to get anything at all from this team is frightening. He'll be punted with us sitting 10th in December.

How do you really feel?

[CentreLine]

We got third in a league that was hopeless outside the bigots, us and Aberdeen. For different reasons, us and Aberdeen have joined the mess below.

Oh aye, the League was crap. I’m wondering what opinions people have on the quality we are seeing from the rest of the league this year?

[CentreLine]

Jack Ross was sacked because the results were pathetic and the football was horrendous. The fact that Maloney isn’t doing any better is irrelevant. It wasn’t a panic decision to sack Jack Ross, it’d been coming. Maloney has been a poor appointment to date, he’s lost 6 of his 18 games. Jack Ross lost 7 of his last 10 at Hibs. To say it was a panic decision is silly.

Your last paragraph is a load of greeting faced pish. It doesn’t deserve a better response than that.

Yeah, well I am not alone amongst the most loyal of supporters who are looking to other ways to entertain themselves of a Saturday afternoon. You go enjoy the ignorance of sectarian singing, flare throwing and wanton vandalism, along with a whole lot of clockwork, passback football. I’m keep using a football forum to give my greetin’ faced opinion.
If that’s alright by you of course.

Jack Ross was a transition in progress. We replaced him with…. Erm… a new transition. What could possibly be wrong with that?

[Since90+2]

I think anyone that thinks Ross would be doing better has a short memory. Go back and watch the highlights of the last few months of Ross. Go read the match threads on here. We were terrible. The tactics were “let’s hope Boyles not marked out the game today”.

Ross had a good season last season. Results at the start of this season were great too, but even then the football was horrible to watch. When you’re winning you can accept that, well I can at least. When the quality of football doesn’t get any better, and results start to get worse and worse, then inevitably the manager loses his job.

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure whenever Jack Ross has had a full season at a club he's never finished outside the top 3. I think he won the league with Alloa and St Mirren, I think he finished at 3rd with Sunderland and then 3rd with Hibs.

Nobody can ever say for certain as it's total guesswork, but my hunch is we'd be in a better place now had he stayed.

[WhileTheChief..]

I desperately want this season over, I have for weeks. Its an absolute mess and due to the cup semi, can get really ugly for the club and those running things. The mess we find ourselves in after a good season last year is absolutely pathetic. Kensell, Gordon and Maloney have serious questions to answer. Kean as well.

Who's ****ing idea was it to write this season off by appointing a rookie and signing a load of kids and of course letting our best player go in January when even a decent run would've had us competing for 3rd. Injuries haven't helped but we've absolutely ****ed ourselves and putting our heads in the sand and hoping it might get better is not an option.

Nothing more than loyalty to Hibs keeping me going. Zero confidence in owner, ceo or manager. Arrogant dicks all 3 of them, thinking they know best. Dempster forgotten more about running a successful club in Scotland than kensell and Gordon know, and Maloneys inability to get anything at all from this team is frightening. He'll be punted with us sitting 10th in December.

I think there's an awful lot of us feeling the same.

Just look at this board this weekend. Usually after a defeat, the match day thread would run much longer and we'd have several threads moaning about players, manager, tactics or whatever.

Now? Pretty much nothing.

Apathy.

Yesterday's performance and result was so easily predicted and each game between now and the end of the season will be similar.

RG needs to act fast. Bin Maloney and Kensall asap and recruit an actual manager to take us forward.

He could give SDG the gig on a temp basis and we'd see an instant improvement.

[easty]

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure whenever Jack Ross has had a full season at a club he's never finished outside the top 3. I think he won the league with Alloa and St Mirren, I think he finished at 3rd with Sunderland and then 3rd with Hibs.

Nobody can ever say for certain as it's total guesswork, but my hunch is we'd be in a better place now had he stayed.

Maybe, but the reason he didn’t get to finish the seasons at Hibs and Sunderland was because the quality of football and results went the wrong way.

[Johnny_Leith]

I think there's an awful lot of us feeling the same.

Just look at this board this weekend. Usually after a defeat, the match day thread would run much longer and we'd have several threads moaning about players, manager, tactics or whatever.

Now? Pretty much nothing.

Apathy.

Yesterday's performance and result was so easily predicted and each game between now and the end of the season will be similar.

RG needs to act fast. Bin Maloney and Kensall asap and recruit an actual manager to take us forward.

He could give SDG the gig on a temp basis and we'd see an instant improvement.

Agreed.

I’m not sure all the blame can be at Maloney tbh, the form under Ross for large parts of this season also pointed at there being some problems, the quality of player available, the lack of depth, the lack of discipline, lack of tactical flexibility however;

The bottom line is Maloney isn’t working. A failed experiment. He should go for me, right now and put SDG in charge. It might just be enough to give us a fighting chance for the rest of the season.

[Jim44]

I desperately want this season over, I have for weeks. Its an absolute mess and due to the cup semi, can get really ugly for the club and those running things. The mess we find ourselves in after a good season last year is absolutely pathetic. Kensell, Gordon and Maloney have serious questions to answer. Kean as well.

Who's ****ing idea was it to write this season off by appointing a rookie and signing a load of kids and of course letting our best player go in January when even a decent run would've had us competing for 3rd. Injuries haven't helped but we've absolutely ****ed ourselves and putting our heads in the sand and hoping it might get better is not an option.

Nothing more than loyalty to Hibs keeping me going. Zero confidence in owner, ceo or manager. Arrogant dicks all 3 of them, thinking they know best. Dempster forgotten more about running a successful club in Scotland than kensell and Gordon know, and Maloneys inability to get anything at all from this team is frightening. He'll be punted with us sitting 10th in December.

Firstly I don’t want to see another sacking so soon and I hope Maloney can somehow get us out of the rut, but I doubt it.
If you employ a sous chef, who has been working under Gordon Ramsay in a 3 Michelin star restaurant with experts around him and using the best of ingredients, to now struggle for success in greasy spoon cafe, with mediocre staff and basic ingredients at his disposal, he’s not going to find it easy. Ron Gordon and co. probably thought it was a good idea at the time but I think it has back-fired.

[CentreLine]

Agreed.

I’m not sure all the blame can be at Maloney tbh, the form under Ross for large parts of this season also pointed at there being some problems, the quality of player available, the lack of depth, the lack of discipline, lack of tactical flexibility however;

The bottom line is Maloney isn’t working. A failed experiment. He should go for me, right now and put SDG in charge. It might just be enough to give us a fighting chance for the rest of the season.

I agree with a lot of what you are saying but I can’t think that constantly changing manager is the answer. JR was hung out to dry when we did not bring the players in he knew we needed to kick on from third last season. I am
not convinced by the appointment, or reasons for it, but SM seems to me to have been landed with a similar issue of incompetent recruitment. We spent a lot of money (by Scottish football standards) in the winter but all our signings are long term projects, for one reason or another. We had a primadonna striker who seemed to think he was too good for this team and those that might have changed things are occupying the injury list. Then we have a dreadful discipline record. That, at least, should be an easy fix and we should be concerned that it is a culture that is being allowed to happen.
I say we need a period of stability. This stuff we are being dealt on the park is utter garbage but it was not SM that promised us instant attacking, entertaining football. The blame for this lies with the club IMHO and a knee jerk decision to dismantle stability for… well, more instability

[B.H.F.C]

The slump was brought about by playing a rediculous amount of games in such a short space of time with a squad reeling from Covid and injuries and suspensions to his best players. The more we toil under Maloney the more rediculous his sacking becomes. Ross should have got the transfer window.

When we came back from Covid we played 6 games between 21st November and 8th December. Basically, we had a midweek game for a few weeks. It wasn't the schedule that done for him, it was the pish team he’d assembled.

Just because Maloney is toiling, doesn’t mean we were wrong to punt Ross.
Maloney has inherited many of the problems he created. If he’s getting the injured and suspension excuse trotted out, surely that applies even more so now?

This isn’t intended as a defence of Maloney, but he’s probably suffered worse in terms of the reasons that you give to keep the ‘Ross was hard done by’ thing going.

[Johnny_Leith]

I agree with a lot of what you are saying but I can’t think that constantly changing manager is the answer. JR was hung out to dry when we did not bring the players in he knew we needed to kick on from third last season. I am
not convinced by the appointment, or reasons for it, but SM seems to me to have been landed with a similar issue of incompetent recruitment. We spent a lot of money (by Scottish football standards) in the winter but all our signings are long term projects, for one reason or another. We had a primadonna striker who seemed to think he was too good for this team and those that might have changed things are occupying the injury list. Then we have a dreadful discipline record. That, at least, should be an easy fix and we should be concerned that it is a culture that is being allowed to happen.
I say we need a period of stability. This stuff we are being dealt on the park is utter garbage but it was not SM that promised us instant attacking, entertaining football. The blame for this lies with the club IMHO and a knee jerk decision to dismantle stability for… well, more instability

I have probably been between the two extremes for a while now, I totally agree that in an ideal world stability is the superior option to more turmoil but we are so bad on the park I just cannot see the point in continuing with this style of play?

Maloneys team rarely create chances and generally we are likely to give up chances (a problem that predates SM) however we sold Boyle and since then all our attacking threat has gone, apart from when we play against 10 men. It’s a system that is not suited to the personnel at present, will it work in the future, who knows.

But what is the mindset from the club, it appears to me that it’s something like ‘next season we will be much better’ but we’ve European football to fight for and a Scottish cup semi vs hearts! Absolutely massive fixtures in the here and now and I can’t see us achieving either Europe or another cup final in our current set up which is why I think change might help.

Maybe we will be better off in the future if we stick with Maloney, neither his demeanour or on the pitch suggests to me he should be given that chance, but I’m just bored of being asked to be patient and promises of a better future. Who knows what the answer is.

[Sioux]

Agreed.

I’m not sure all the blame can be at Maloney tbh, the form under Ross for large parts of this season also pointed at there being some problems, the quality of player available, the lack of depth, the lack of discipline, lack of tactical flexibility however;

The bottom line is Maloney isn’t working. A failed experiment. He should go for me, right now and put SDG in charge. It might just be enough to give us a fighting chance for the rest of the season.

You've said the fault is not entirely Maloney's, and Maloney isn't working? You've blamed Ross for a number of issues. If it's not entirely Maloney's fault, how can it be a failed experiment?

Replace a rookie with another? Would that be another experiment likely to fail?

What's the point of change if it might give us a fighting chance? A fighting chance of what?

Changing the manager and his staff now will most likely make no difference whatsoever, given the timescale available.

[Since452]

You've said the fault is not entirely Maloney's, and Maloney isn't working? You've blamed Ross for a number of issues. If it's not entirely Maloney's fault, how can it be a failed experiment?

Replace a rookie with another? Would that be another experiment likely to fail?

What's the point of change if it might give us a fighting chance? A fighting chance of what?

Changing the manager and his staff now will most likely make no difference whatsoever, given the timescale available.

What was the point in changing manager when we got rid of Ross? It's made things worse. I don't know who's idea it was to throw a rookie in to one of the biggest jobs in Scotland. Especially when the likes of McInnes was available.

[GreenCastle]

What has Maloney improved since he’s been appointed ?

The next month is huge for the club and his managerial career.

Fail to get top 6 - fans will be raging especially if we can’t find a win against Dundee / St J / Aberdeen / Dundee Utd or Hearts.

Lose league derby but win semi - will give him some time - though depends what happens in final.

Lose both derbies - meltdown and no way back for him.

The semi final is massive for his Hibs future. I reckon even if we didn’t get top 6 if he wins the semi he will survive till summer.

Bottom 6 - lose both derbies - 100% no way back with fans. ST sales would drop in summer. Less revenue from cup final appearance and top 6 away crowds. Not a good place for the club to be in.

[Johnny_Leith]

You've said the fault is not entirely Maloney's, and Maloney isn't working? You've blamed Ross for a number of issues. If it's not entirely Maloney's fault, how can it be a failed experiment?

Replace a rookie with another? Would that be another experiment likely to fail?

What's the point of change if it might give us a fighting chance? A fighting chance of what?

Changing the manager and his staff now will most likely make no difference whatsoever, given the timescale available.

It’s not exactly a black or white situation though is it? There were issues under Ross; some might argue that were better defensively since Maloney took over. There are issues under Maloney; we never look like creating clear chances, we struggle to string passes together at times and then overplay a triangle between the pivot and centre halves many times.

I don’t get what’s hard to grasp that there were issues before Maloney came in that he hasn’t been able to fix? He’s attempting to implement a style of play for the long term, fine, but short term it isn’t really doing us any favours imo. We often look outfought and tactically bamboozled, ffs the number of basic stuff like, properly clearing our lines, one twos and overlaps are at an absolute minimum! It can only be instructions surely, the rigid back 3, nobody wide but the wingbacks, plying wingers in the no 10 slot and more.

Can you really say we’ve a fighting chance of getting to a Semi? I SDG probably would give us a better shot at Hampden and the remaining league games by picking up more points.

We both know that every appointment is a gamble But gray for me is more likely to get us results between now and 21/5. If folk disagree that’s fine, time will tell with SM.

[B.H.F.C]

What was the point in changing manager when we got rid of Ross? It's made things worse. I don't know who's idea it was to throw a rookie in to one of the biggest jobs in Scotland. Especially when the likes of McInnes was available.

It’s not got worse, it’s been a continuation of the same problems. Or you could argue that we’re in a better league position (somehow) and in another semi final (which was classed as a big achievement under your man Jack).

[He's here!]

I desperately want this season over, I have for weeks. Its an absolute mess and due to the cup semi, can get really ugly for the club and those running things. The mess we find ourselves in after a good season last year is absolutely pathetic. Kensell, Gordon and Maloney have serious questions to answer. Kean as well.

Who's ****ing idea was it to write this season off by appointing a rookie and signing a load of kids and of course letting our best player go in January when even a decent run would've had us competing for 3rd. Injuries haven't helped but we've absolutely ****ed ourselves and putting our heads in the sand and hoping it might get better is not an option.

Nothing more than loyalty to Hibs keeping me going. Zero confidence in owner, ceo or manager. Arrogant dicks all 3 of them, thinking they know best. Dempster forgotten more about running a successful club in Scotland than kensell and Gordon know, and Maloneys inability to get anything at all from this team is frightening. He'll be punted with us sitting 10th in December.

I get your frustration but while 3rd place, a cup final and a semi-final (two if you count the delayed one) goes down on paper as a very good season by Hibs' standards there were frustrations there too. The football was often pretty hard on the eye and the quality of the league was distinctly average.

This season we've reached a final and a semi and fourth place is not impossible - again a good season on paper, albeit I'd say the league's quality has dipped another notch.

I didn't want Ross sacked and I didn't initially warm to Maloney but I think I see something in him now so am of the opinion he needs more time to put his own mark on the team and establish a more settled line-up.

Obviously if we end up bottom six and embarrassed in the cup semi it'll be harder to stick up for him.

[loanheadhibby]

I desperately want this season over, I have for weeks. Its an absolute mess and due to the cup semi, can get really ugly for the club and those running things. The mess we find ourselves in after a good season last year is absolutely pathetic. Kensell, Gordon and Maloney have serious questions to answer. Kean as well.

Who's ****ing idea was it to write this season off by appointing a rookie and signing a load of kids and of course letting our best player go in January when even a decent run would've had us competing for 3rd. Injuries haven't helped but we've absolutely ****ed ourselves and putting our heads in the sand and hoping it might get better is not an option.

Nothing more than loyalty to Hibs keeping me going. Zero confidence in owner, ceo or manager. Arrogant dicks all 3 of them, thinking they know best. Dempster forgotten more about running a successful club in Scotland than kensell and Gordon know, and Maloneys inability to get anything at all from this team is frightening. He'll be punted with us sitting 10th in December.

Very difficult to disagree with anything above. Club seems to lurch from one shambles to another.

SM must secure top 6. It would be a major embarrassment for Ron, Ben and Shaun if we don’t. The only thing that might rescue him would be a cup win.

[Paulie Walnuts]

It’s not got worse, it’s been a continuation of the same problems. Or you could argue that we’re in a better league position (somehow) and in another semi final (which was classed as a big achievement under your man Jack).

:agree:

The point of changing manager when we got rid of Ross was to improve what was becoming a horrendous run of form.

Sacking Ross was the first part of that. Appointing the right man was the second part. The second part not working as we’d have liked doesn’t make the first part wrong.

**** sitting here with JR still in charge, most likely still not getting a tune out of the players and still watching the same pish. At least we attempted to fix things, even if at this point in time it hasn’t been a huge success.

[Lago]

I desperately want this season over, I have for weeks. Its an absolute mess and due to the cup semi, can get really ugly for the club and those running things. The mess we find ourselves in after a good season last year is absolutely pathetic. Kensell, Gordon and Maloney have serious questions to answer. Kean as well.

Who's ****ing idea was it to write this season off by appointing a rookie and signing a load of kids and of course letting our best player go in January when even a decent run would've had us competing for 3rd. Injuries haven't helped but we've absolutely ****ed ourselves and putting our heads in the sand and hoping it might get better is not an option.

Nothing more than loyalty to Hibs keeping me going. Zero confidence in owner, ceo or manager. Arrogant dicks all 3 of them, thinking they know best. Dempster forgotten more about running a successful club in Scotland than kensell and Gordon know, and Maloneys inability to get anything at all from this team is frightening. He'll be punted with us sitting 10th in December.
Oh boy, well I guess your not even a glass half empty kind of person. 😂

[Since452]

It’s not got worse, it’s been a continuation of the same problems. Or you could argue that we’re in a better league position (somehow) and in another semi final (which was classed as a big achievement under your man Jack).

If we weren't playing 10 men for 88 minutes we wouldn't be in a semi. It has absolutely got worse.

[B.H.F.C]

If we weren't playing 10 men for 88 minutes we wouldn't be in a semi. It has absolutely got worse.

Fair enough to judge on things that have happened, but now you’re just making up scenarios that didn’t actually happen, to suit yourself. There are plenty things that can be picked apart without resorting to that type of thing.

Of the things that have happened, what is worse?

[MWHIBBIES]

I get your frustration but while 3rd place, a cup final and a semi-final (two if you count the delayed one) goes down on paper as a very good season by Hibs' standards there were frustrations there too. The football was often pretty hard on the eye and the quality of the league was distinctly average.

This season we've reached a final and a semi and fourth place is not impossible - again a good season on paper, albeit I'd say the league's quality has dipped another notch.

I didn't want Ross sacked and I didn't initially warm to Maloney but I think I see something in him now so am of the opinion he needs more time to put his own mark on the team and establish a more settled line-up.

Obviously if we end up bottom six and embarrassed in the cup semi it'll be harder to stick up for him.

Last season was miles and miles ahead of this one. Look at the points tally. Football was also better.

[WeeRussell]

This isn’t intended as a defence of Maloney, but he’s probably suffered worse in terms of the reasons that you give to keep the ‘Ross was hard done by’ thing going.

👍
Things aren’t great, we all accept that. But I will defend Maloney when we’ve got folk calling him an ‘arrogant dick’ because we’ve got beat away to Aberdeen with 10 men. And god forbid the people running a football club think they know best.

It’s poor times at Hibs but yesterday doesn’t change an awful lot in terms of where our season was headed.. the semi final may well do that. But some poor and embarrassing comments on here once again.

[Paulie Walnuts]

If we weren't playing 10 men for 88 minutes we wouldn't be in a semi. It has absolutely got worse.

That’s just absolutely ridiculous really.

If Aberdeen hadn’t been playing against 10 men yesterday I presume we’d have won? That’s how it works this isn’t it? Team gets player sent off, team would have won if they didn’t despite absolutely nothing to suggest that would be the case.

[Jones28]

All the other reasons aside, it would cost a fortune to get rid of Maloney and his team.

Oh aye and sacking a manager after 4 months is also just ridiculous.

[WeeRussell]

All the other reasons aside, it would cost a fortune to get rid of Maloney and his team.

Oh aye and sacking a manager after 4 months is also just ridiculous.

Especially when some wanting him sacked are insisting we sacked Jack Ross too quickly in the same breath.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Especially when some wanting him sacked are insisting we sacked Jack Ross too quickly in the same breath.

:agree:

Jack Ross got two years and averaged a 6th place finish. Left us in 7th playing absolutely terrible and getting worse by the week.

It’s a completely different scenario to Maloney who has moved us up to 5th and has had a matter of months.

[Sir David Gray]

Win the semi final? ... at this rate we'll be lucky if Hearts don't take 3 or 4 off us. Probably our only performance of any note since Maloney took over is that draw with Hearts at ER where we were at least competitive, since then we have barely risen above mediocrity. We may have beaten Motherwell, but nobody can pretend that for 45 minutes we weren't second best to 10 men. Today we barely created anything as has been the case in practically every game since Maloney arrived.

The lad Melkersen proved against Motherwell that he can be a sharp striker when given decent service, the way Hibs are playing, in games where the ref doesn't hand us an advantage in the first minute, the guy could run about up there all bloody week and never get a chance worth the name.

I'm seriously beginning to think that we are going to finish the season in 10th place, never mind make the top 6. We have only scored 5 more goals than Dundee in bottom place and they have played a game less FFS. The football is slow ponderous lacking in inventiveness or imagination and entirely unsuited to the players we have, or possibly ever will have. I am seriously beginning to think the club has made an enormous mistake in appointing Maloney, the guy is an idealist who want's Hibs to play like Man City with players most of whom wouldn't get a game for Birmingham City.

I for one am absolutely dreading both the league game at Tynecastle and the semi final, the way we are playing I just can't see how the hell we can get any kind of a result in either one.

I'll be at Hampden, I'll be at every game at Easter Road until the end of the season and I'll renew my season ticket, but I just can't come on here and say I can see any sign of a positive end to the season or Hibs ever being an effective team playing the way Maloney wants us to.

Yes I'm not suggesting that we'll win the semi final, it's hard to put forward a logical argument for us doing so given the form we're in at the moment. I just mean that the league season has been an utter disappointment and if we don't win the semi final I think Maloney will find himself under an increasing amount of pressure.

[1875Sean]

:agree:

Jack Ross got two years and averaged a 6th place finish. Left us in 7th playing absolutely terrible and getting worse by the week.

It’s a completely different scenario to Maloney who has moved us up to 5th and has had a matter of months.

It’s funny you make it sound Maloney has been more successful overall, I wonder what the average point per games is against them both? One thing I know is the average goals per game will be down under Maloney

[B.H.F.C]

Yes I'm not suggesting that we'll win the semi final, it's hard to put forward a logical argument for us doing so given the form we're in at the moment. I just mean that the league season has been an utter disappointment and if we don't win the semi final I think Maloney will find himself under an increasing amount of pressure.

The semi final is so big for Maloney.

If we lose, he probably loses a significant chunk of the support completely. Whether folk think one result should have that kind of impact or not, it will.

Even if we scrape together a couple of wins and get fourth, it doesn’t change anything IMO. But the semi final can put a completely different light on things. I hope those at the club recognise that.

[Paulie Walnuts]

It’s funny you make it sound Maloney has been more successful overall, I wonder what the average point per games is against them both? One thing I know is the average goals per game will be down under Maloney

Overall he’s not been better, absolutely not.

Jack Ross didn’t get sacked for his overall record though. He got sacked for his horrendous run at the end. That horrendous run did however come after 2 years of getting to put his ideas into place and build his squad. He got given time to do that. Maloney will get that as well imo.

[1875Sean]

Overall he’s not been better, absolutely not.

Jack Ross didn’t get sacked for his overall record though. He got sacked for his horrendous run at the end.

But you are saying JR averaged 6th place, how do you get that? We finished 7th first season and 3rd the second season?

[Paulie Walnuts]

But you are saying JR averaged 6th place, how do you get that? We finished 7th first season and 3rd the second season?

And he finished this season in 7th when he was binned.

[1875Sean]

And he finished this season in 7th when he was binned.

Correct we were 7th by a few points when we was sacked but overall that doesn’t make his average league position at Hibs 6th

[blackpoolhibs]

Not what I'm saying Billy.

Ozy says we need to stop getting ***** managers.

I'm asking how do you do that?

They don't come with guarantees.

I personally think we had a good manager, a manager who had proven he had the tools for this job, but for various reasons was going through a bad patch, but we got rid of him because the grass is always greener.

There is no patience now, we live in the throwaway age.

[Argylehibby]

Overall he’s not been better, absolutely not.

Jack Ross didn’t get sacked for his overall record though. He got sacked for his horrendous run at the end. That horrendous run did however come after 2 years of getting to put his ideas into place and build his squad. He got given time to do that. Maloney will get that as well imo.

He got binned for a poor run after the head of recruitment got binned for not getting the players in that would have made a difference. We are now playing a style of football that is slow and ponderous allows opponents to get back and defend while we pass back and sideways across the back 4. The vocal minority that wanted Ross sacked are pretty quiet just now, probably sound asleep watching the fare being served up every week.

[blackpoolhibs]

:agree:

The point of changing manager when we got rid of Ross was to improve what was becoming a horrendous run of form.

Sacking Ross was the first part of that. Appointing the right man was the second part. The second part not working as we’d have liked doesn’t make the first part wrong.

**** sitting here with JR still in charge, most likely still not getting a tune out of the players and still watching the same pish. At least we attempted to fix things, even if at this point in time it hasn’t been a huge success.

How many players did Maloney sign in January, was it 8 or 9 i really cant remember? And how many points have we ammassed since Maloney took over, with all these quality players he signed?

If you hated the style of play and the type of football we played under Ross, you must be near suicide watching this pish under Maloney?

[ThisIsTheYear]

He won’t be sacked. Even if we lose the semi and didn’t achieve top 6 - still can’t see them pulling the plug. He will be given till next season

[A Hi-Bee]

How many players did Maloney sign in January, was it 8 or 9 i really cant remember? And how many points have we ammassed since Maloney took over, with all these quality players he signed?

If you hated the style of play and the type of football we played under Ross, you must be near suicide watching this pish under Maloney?

I thought that most of the players were already on the way to Hibs, he may have rubber stamped some of them, but dont think we can say he signed 8 or 9, that is not to say that the Hibs are not sheite just now, that is a given, I am just no, so sure it can be dropped at Maloneys feet. Perhaps after the summer transfer window passes we can then form a definite view, if he dont manage to sign some good well proven players in the summer then, well it's just our opinions, we all know what opinions are.
:greengrin

[Iggy Pope]

I desperately want this season over, I have for weeks. Its an absolute mess and due to the cup semi, can get really ugly for the club and those running things. The mess we find ourselves in after a good season last year is absolutely pathetic. Kensell, Gordon and Maloney have serious questions to answer. Kean as well.

Who's ****ing idea was it to write this season off by appointing a rookie and signing a load of kids and of course letting our best player go in January when even a decent run would've had us competing for 3rd. Injuries haven't helped but we've absolutely ****ed ourselves and putting our heads in the sand and hoping it might get better is not an option.

Nothing more than loyalty to Hibs keeping me going. Zero confidence in owner, ceo or manager. Arrogant dicks all 3 of them, thinking they know best. Dempster forgotten more about running a successful club in Scotland than kensell and Gordon know, and Maloneys inability to get anything at all from this team is frightening. He'll be punted with us sitting 10th in December.

There’s plenty about this thread that makes everyone’s frustrations clear and I’m pretty much aligned with you.
However, on the subject of Dempster I know from my own experience that she got plenty wrong over and above whatever expertise she had and forgot, and I’ve spoken to a couple of very experienced people working at the current helm who are of the opinion that she left a mess behind her.

[Pagan Hibernia]

The semi final is so big for Maloney.

If we lose, he probably loses a significant chunk of the support completely. Whether folk think one result should have that kind of impact or not, it will.

Even if we scrape together a couple of wins and get fourth, it doesn’t change anything IMO. But the semi final can put a completely different light on things. I hope those at the club recognise that.

I pretty much agree with this.

ross got gubbed 1-3 at home by a relegation haunted hearts in our worst derby performance for years. He then lost a semi final to a lower division hearts that had barely kicked a ball in months.

I think a lot of Hibs fans never forgave him for those derbys. Add in the mess we made of the LC semi against St Johnstone (when st mirren or livvy we’re waiting for us in the final) and the absolutely wretched SC final ‘performance’ against the same team and he had left himself an uphill task, 3rd place or not.

equally, regardless of league position, beating hearts at hampden will probably buy maloney more credit than he deserves, on league results and general performances.
lose and I struggle to see a way back for him. He’d need a hell of a start to next season.

[flash]

Just watched the highlights again.

The first penalty is incredibly harsh and the red card is pretty dubious as well.

Porto is clearly trying to hook his leg round and that's not a red it's a yellow.

We are really struggling just now but we are also getting shafted on a regular basis.

[Paulie Walnuts]

How many players did Maloney sign in January, was it 8 or 9 i really cant remember? And how many points have we ammassed since Maloney took over, with all these quality players he signed?

If you hated the style of play and the type of football we played under Ross, you must be near suicide watching this pish under Maloney?

None if the excuses trotted out for JR are correct.

Our recruitment team make the signings when JR is discussed. Must be the he same for Maloney surely?

[He's here!]

But you are saying JR averaged 6th place, how do you get that? We finished 7th first season and 3rd the second season?

The '7th' place was also as a result of the league being readjusted due to the early Covid-affected finish. We were actually 6th at that stage.

In saying that we were in poor form and may well have finished bottom 6.

[He's here!]

There’s plenty about this thread that makes everyone’s frustrations clear and I’m pretty much aligned with you.
However, on the subject of Dempster I know from my own experience that she got plenty wrong over and above whatever expertise she had and forgot, and I’ve spoken to a couple of very experienced people working at the current helm who are of the opinion that she left a mess behind her.

That's intetesting to hear, although I'd suggest there was a sense she was on borrowed time from almost as soon as Ron took over. Her hands may have been tied to some extent?

What I would say is we owe her a big thanks for the transformation in the club post-Butcher.

[He's here!]

Last season was miles and miles ahead of this one. Look at the points tally. Football was also better.

Yeh, not arguing with that.

However, Maloney came in at around the same stage of the season as Ross did and I think it's understandable that results have been patchy (like Ross he got off to a sound start followed by some worrying displays). Stubbs and Mowbray did not too bad as rookie managers but both came in pre-season so I think Maloney deserves the chance to regroup over the summer.

[bigwheel]

That's intetesting to hear, although I'd suggest there was a sense she was on borrowed time from almost as soon as Ron took over. Her hands may have been tied to some extent?

What I would say is we owe her a big thanks for the transformation in the club post-Butcher.

She led a wonderful rebirth post Butcher I agree….apparently the famous five / BTG saga was very poorly managed by Dempster and Co - leaving us with a huge bill to sort it out …also heard that there is (and has been ) massive maintenance throughout the stadium and infrastructure that has (and will) cost us seven figures to sort out ..again poorly managed by Dempster and her team

[blackpoolhibs]

None if the excuses trotted out for JR are correct.

Our recruitment team make the signings when JR is discussed. Must be the he same for Maloney surely?

Only if you are consistant, you cant blame one and not the other.

[B.H.F.C]

Just watched the highlights again.

The first penalty is incredibly harsh and the red card is pretty dubious as well.

Porto is clearly trying to hook his leg round and that's not a red it's a yellow.

We are really struggling just now but we are also getting shafted on a regular basis.

Should have played against ten against Dundee. Should have played against ten against St Johnstone. Should have played against nine against Motherwell. All dangerous challenges that went unpunished and then you see Porteous getting a red card for just trying to hook the ball away.

It’s big decisions that aren’t going in our favour. However, our efforts in those games against teams tenth, eleventh and twelfth in the league have been so feeble that, coming down the road yesterday, I didn’t even fell particularly hard done by.

[mokie]

Just watched the highlights again.

The first penalty is incredibly harsh and the red card is pretty dubious as well.

Porto is clearly trying to hook his leg round and that's not a red it's a yellow.

We are really struggling just now but we are also getting shafted on a regular basis.

he clearly doesn’t though does he and wipes the Aberdeen player off his feet. Red card all day long.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Only if you are consistant, you cant blame one and not the other.

There’s a massive difference though. Maloney has had 4 months. 1 window. JR had pretty much 2 years and 4 windows.

[mokie]

She led a wonderful rebirth post Butcher I agree….apparently the famous five / BTG saga was very poorly managed by Dempster and Co - leaving us with a huge bill to sort it out …also heard that there is (and has been ) massive maintenance throughout the stadium and infrastructure that has (and will) cost us seven figures to sort out ..again poorly managed by Dempster and her team

there has been. Inside East mains was basically ripped apart and rebuilt from scratch. Both the north and south stand need major investment and the same will basically happen there.

[flash]

Should have played against ten against Dundee. Should have played against ten against St Johnstone. Should have played against nine against Motherwell. All dangerous challenges that went unpunished and then you see Porteous getting a red card for just trying to hook the ball away.

It’s big decisions that aren’t going in our favour. However, our efforts in those games against teams tenth, eleventh and twelfth in the league have been so feeble that, coming down the road yesterday, I didn’t even fell particularly hard done by.

I tend to agree but we are still not getting much from refs recently.

[flash]

he clearly doesn’t though does he and wipes the Aberdeen player off his feet. Red card all day long.

No he doesn't but he tries to and that makes it a yellow under the current rules.

[blackpoolhibs]

There’s a massive difference though. Maloney has had 4 months. 1 window. JR had pretty much 2 years and 4 windows.

And in that 2 years we had a 3rd place finish and numerous Hampden appearances, all we have is boring pish week after week from Maloneys team, or is it Jack's team, or even Mathie's?

And dont get me onto how many big games Maloney has won.

[flash]

And in that 2 years we had a 3rd place finish and numerous Hampden appearances, all we have is boring pish week after week from Maloneys team, or is it Jack's team, or even Mathie's?

And dont get me onto how many big games Maloney has won.

His biggest games have been the cup ties and we are still in it so not so bad then.

[Paulie Walnuts]

And in that 2 years we had a 3rd place finish and numerous Hampden appearances, all we have is boring pish week after week from Maloneys team, or is it Jack's team, or even Mathie's?

And dont get me onto how many big games Maloney has won.

And after all that we were on a horrendous run and sinking.

[mokie]

No he doesn't but he tries to and that makes it a yellow under the current rules.

common sense would tell him he’s never gonna win the ball so why make it in the first place ???

[blackpoolhibs]

And after all that we were on a horrendous run and sinking.

Yip, and 9 players later we are as bad if not worse, plus we dont score goals now. I'm so glad we swapped that misery under Ross to this misery under Maloney, hopefully his experience of building and running a club will bare friut.:rolleyes:

[B.H.F.C]

common sense would tell him he’s never gonna win the ball so why make it in the first place ???

There are plenty things worthy of criticism at the moment. But a centre half trying to prevent a goal really isn’t one. I can’t believe he’s getting criticised for trying to win the ball to be honest. It’s a split second decision, he’s not got time to stop and weigh up the probability of winning it.

[mokie]

There are plenty things worthy of criticism at the moment. But a centre half trying to prevent a goal really isn’t one. I can’t believe he’s getting criticised for trying to win the ball to be honest. It’s a split second decision, he’s not got time to stop and weigh up the probability of winning it.

Basic knowledge of the game would tell you in that split second if you can win it or not wouldn’t you say ??

[B.H.F.C]

Basic knowledge of the game would tell you in that split second if you can win it or not wouldn’t you say ??

Naw, your instinct kicks in and you just try to win the ball.

Imagine he’d just stood and watched, you’d be on greeting about him not doing anything.

There is plenty to criticise us for at the moment but criticising him for trying to prevent the opposition from scoring is utterly ridiculous.

[jacomo]

There’s plenty about this thread that makes everyone’s frustrations clear and I’m pretty much aligned with you.
However, on the subject of Dempster I know from my own experience that she got plenty wrong over and above whatever expertise she had and forgot, and I’ve spoken to a couple of very experienced people working at the current helm who are of the opinion that she left a mess behind her.


Leeann did a fine job. But it was an all consuming job, for almost 7 years.

The new owner brings new ideas and I wasn’t surprised there was change at the top. The parting of ways was probably inevitable. We don’t have to slag one regime in order to back another.

[Cod Boy]

Usually hate international weekends but it’s not bothering me this time a break away from that will do.

[mokie]

Naw, your instinct kicks in and you just try to win the ball.

Imagine he’d just stood and watched, you’d be on greeting about him not doing anything.

There is plenty to criticise us for at the moment but criticising him for trying to prevent the opposition from scoring is utterly ridiculous.


No I wouldn’t have been. Once I’d seen it again it would’ve been clear there was no chance he’d have been able to do anything.

[JimBHibees]

Very difficult to disagree with anything above. Club seems to lurch from one shambles to another.

SM must secure top 6. It would be a major embarrassment for Ron, Ben and Shaun if we don’t. The only thing that might rescue him would be a cup win.

Nah if we end bottom 6 we do these things happen. The new manager needs time to bed in and bring his own ideas and signings. He has had a lot to deal with a real injury crisis with what 12 players out plus some bizarre referee calls. Time for fans to support him not slaughter him.

[SHODAN]

Usually hate international weekends but it’s not bothering me this time a break away from that will do.

We need this break. Gives the players time to recover and Maloney a chance to work on whatever it is he wants us to do.

[Skol]

We need this break. Gives the players time to recover and Maloney a chance to work on whatever it is he wants us to do.

Last time we had a break and a chance to work on things we came back worse !

[#2 Double Tap]

Nah if we end bottom 6 we do these things happen. The new manager needs time to bed in and bring his own ideas and signings. He has had a lot to deal with a real injury crisis with what 12 players out plus some bizarre referee calls. Time for fans to support him not slaughter him.

we have 3 keepers, 3x RB, 2xLB, 4xCB, 4xCM, 2xCAM, 2xRW, 3xLW and 4xST. thats a big enough squad to deal with injuries and suspensions.
Bizarre ref calls is an excuse, every week all the teams in the league including the old firm are paranoid about ref calls.

the pressure is on, and rightly so, it is not going to go away, we should be seeing some kind of improvement after the best part of 3 months. Instead we seem to have regressed back to a heckingbottom esk situation. worrying times!!

[Ronniekirk]

I thought that most of the players were already on the way to Hibs, he may have rubber stamped some of them, but dont think we can say he signed 8 or 9, that is not to say that the Hibs are not sheite just now, that is a given, I am just no, so sure it can be dropped at Maloneys feet. Perhaps after the summer transfer window passes we can then form a definite view, if he dont manage to sign some good well proven players in the summer then, well it's just our opinions, we all know what opinions are.
:greengrin

He needs to make sure he is in control of all transfers with the team
Around him
Is Ian Gordon going to continue to sign American players Is Ben going to sign more Norwegians Is Ben solely going to sign players fir B team
We know z Henderson and Rocky were two Maloney defo wanted
He will get the summer Transfer Window but he will need to do a lot better on all fronts and get us back challenging for third and find a way to get the best out of the players he then has at his disposal


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[JimBHibees]

we have 3 keepers, 3x RB, 2xLB, 4xCB, 4xCM, 2xCAM, 2xRW, 3xLW and 4xST. thats a big enough squad to deal with injuries and suspensions.
Bizarre ref calls is an excuse, every week all the teams in the league including the old firm are paranoid about ref calls.

the pressure is on, and rightly so, it is not going to go away, we should be seeing some kind of improvement after the best part of 3 months. Instead we seem to have regressed back to a heckingbottom esk situation. worrying times!!

Frankly disagree we have lost 12 players no squad on the planet isn't weakened by that. Refereee calls are a fact not an excuse. We play against 10 against Dundee from the first half likely means we are winning, play 30 mins against St Johnstone every chance we win, don't get decisions against us yesterday we don't lose. All of them together in the last three league games is a trend and really hope they don't continue as not sure we will win again this season. :greengrin

A good break in they games take all the pressure off league wise especially on the back of reaching the semi final.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Yip, and 9 players later we are as bad if not worse, plus we dont score goals now. I'm so glad we swapped that misery under Ross to this misery under Maloney, hopefully his experience of building and running a club will bare friut.:rolleyes:

As bad? We’re two places higher in the league and won every cup tie Maloney has been involved in.

Let’s not make things up now. Jack Ross had us on a P9 W1 D1 L7 run. We were ****ing abysmal.

[The Wireless]

our midfield is the issue imo.

One up top is what most teams generally play. We just don’t have the attacking players to support the lone striker and our centre midfield is absolutely diabolical. Wright and campbell are terrifyingly bad.

The striker in this team has absolutely no chance.

bang on

[Paulie Walnuts]

No I wouldn’t have been. Once I’d seen it again it would’ve been clear there was no chance he’d have been able to do anything.

Yup.

We’re now getting into the territory of ‘just be thankful he done something, anything.’

Nobody is thankful he done what we done. We were left 10 v 11 chasing a goal and our main centre half suspended for numerous games.

It was stupid from him. He’d have been better not halfing the guy and trying to help us back into the game from 2-1 down.

Making a tackle where he wasn’t trying to win the ball and was only ever going to get a straight red done absolutely nothing to help our cause.

[#2 Double Tap]

Frankly disagree we have lost 12 players no squad on the planet isn't weakened by that. Refereee calls are a fact not an excuse. We play against 10 against Dundee from the first half likely means we are winning, play 30 mins against St Johnstone every chance we win, don't get decisions against us yesterday we don't lose. All of them together in the last three league games is a trend and really hope they don't continue as not sure we will win again this season. :greengrin

A good break in they games take all the pressure off league wise especially on the back of reaching the semi final.

I do agree, 12 players would make us weaker, but its not 12 starters who are out, it is 3 at best 5 at worst, if the squad is not good enough then it is the fault of recruiment, but we have 27 players plus the youth teams, thats a lotta bodies.
The ref thing is mostly an excuse, though exceptions do occur, i will conceed!

i tend to think people only care about the ref decisions when they negatively impact them, its largely paranoia imo, and we got a bit of a break in that motherwell game, if that boy gets a yellow, maybe we dont get to that semi.

lets just hope we can figure it out fast, cause what we are watching is still not good enough!

[The Wireless]

Does anyone know what has happened to Paul McGinn? Is he still injured or is he aware his contract will not be renewed and has gone down with the Jack Ross sinking ship? A player who was pretty consistent over his time at Easter Road and has never been mentioned recently. Does anybody have an update?

[Jones28]

Does anyone know what has happened to Paul McGinn? Is he still injured or is he aware his contract will not be renewed and has gone down with the Jack Ross sinking ship? A player who was pretty consistent over his time at Easter Road and has never been mentioned recently. Does anybody have an update?

Nowhere near the level of Cadden imo. Maloney doesn’t fancy him as a good enough footballing right back.

Or he’s injured.

[Billy Whizz]

Nowhere near the level of Cadden imo. Maloney doesn’t fancy him as a good enough footballing right back.

Or he’s injured.

He’s injured, went off early at Ibrox last month. When fit I’d have in back in the team, right back, or right in a 3

[Iggy Pope]

Leeann did a fine job. But it was an all consuming job, for almost 7 years.

The new owner brings new ideas and I wasn’t surprised there was change at the top. The parting of ways was probably inevitable. We don’t have to slag one regime in order to back another.

I’m not slagging either regime, I lived through the last one like the rest of us., lived through a few of them in fact. I’m offering a balance to the emphatic but maybe a bit misguided point by the poster.

[Tully]

I’m not slagging either regime, I lived through the last one like the rest of us., lived through a few of them in fact. I’m offering a balance to the emphatic but maybe a bit misguided point by the poster.

Did notice at game that porteous didn't seem to be getting sent of until Aberdeen players surrounded the referee, also who put Ramirez on his backside with a fly dig ?

[Ronniekirk]

He’s injured, went off early at Ibrox last month. When fit I’d have in back in the team, right back, or right in a 3

Maloney saying he will be back in squad after international break along with Clarke and obviously Hanlon McGennis back training but won’t be in contention after international break
Clarke and McGinn both capable of scoring but will take a few games to get up to speed Wonder if they will arrange a few bounce games for them to play in during international break


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[Alex Trager]

Maloney saying he will be back in squad after international break along with Clarke and obviously Hanlon McGennis back training but won’t be in contention after international break
Clarke and McGinn both capable of scoring but will take a few games to get up to speed Wonder if they will arrange a few bounce games for them to play in during international break


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KM is back training again?

[A Hi-Bee]

Did notice at game that porteous didn't seem to be getting sent of until Aberdeen players surrounded the referee, also who put Ramirez on his backside with a fly dig ?
:top marks

[jacomo]

He needs to make sure he is in control of all transfers with the team
Around him
Is Ian Gordon going to continue to sign American players Is Ben going to sign more Norwegians Is Ben solely going to sign players fir B team
We know z Henderson and Rocky were two Maloney defo wanted
He will get the summer Transfer Window but he will need to do a lot better on all fronts and get us back challenging for third and find a way to get the best out of the players he then has at his disposal


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I’m really happy with Mueller and Melkerson. I’d be pleased if we signed more players of that quality.

[1875Sean]

I’m really happy with Mueller and Melkerson. I’d be pleased if we signed more players of that quality.

Mueller can’t get a game ahead of drey wright

[Ronniekirk]

KM is back training again?

Yep that’s what Maloney said Remember he was back training then took a knock in a bounce game so that’s him back training again but we so t be seeing him in squad any time soon


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[He's here!]

Naw, your instinct kicks in and you just try to win the ball.

Imagine he’d just stood and watched, you’d be on greeting about him not doing anything.

There is plenty to criticise us for at the moment but criticising him for trying to prevent the opposition from scoring is utterly ridiculous.

Spot on.

[JimBHibees]

Nowhere near the level of Cadden imo. Maloney doesn’t fancy him as a good enough footballing right back.

Or he’s injured.

I would play him right centre back

[SteveHFC]

I’m really happy with Mueller and Melkerson. I’d be pleased if we signed more players of that quality.

Mitchell has looked good when played and looking forward to seeing Clarke play.