Can anyone seriously still defend the manager?

[GoalsMcGinley]

Times up. Cheerio!


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[HIBERNIAN-0762]

Not anymore, think Kean will come in as interim, dreadful stuff tonight 😡

[WestCoastHibby]

I’ve always defended him from the whingers on here.
I am now officially one of those whingers.
We are going to get hammered in the cup final if something doesn’t turn around asap

[Libby Hibby]

Needs to go…the cup final is a goner under JR anyways, if we’re not careful, we could go down under him too

[Since452]

Been a big Ross supporter but really sad to say now that after tonight I think he has to go. That was abysmal against a very poor team and the buck stops with the manager. There was no reaction 2nd half and that was telling.

[lord bunberry]

Yes I still can. I don’t think anyone else would do any better with this squad.

[Vault Boy]

No. I feel bad for him as he was badly let down in the summer, but the number of red cards on top of our losses recently suggest that the dressing room mentality is in tatters.

He needs to go, we barely have a choice at this stage.

[Northernhibee]

Yes I still can. I don’t think anyone else would do any better with this squad.

That's not defending the manager.

[GoalsMcGinley]

Times up. Cheerio!


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PS - I am fully aware the title should read “anyone” [emoji1787]


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[Sean1875]

I just don’t think he has any idea what to do anymore, no bad feelings towards him but it’s time he goes.


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[Squealing pig]

I was meh about Ross , I’m done now , times up before we’re relegated

[Tully]

Once again start brightly lose a soft goal, miss a penalty, the script was written again hibs fell apart and reverted to high balls and Jack Ross had np plan b ,surely this dull as dishwater manager's time is up

[neil7908]

I've always felt we'd end up here, even on the good days (and there were a few under Ross). Given the players seem to have completely lost their discipline, it looks like they've given up on him as well.

[Pagan Hibernia]

No. I feel bad for him as he was badly let down in the summer, but the number of red cards on top of our losses recently suggest that the dressing room mentality is in tatters.

He needs to go, we barely have a choice at this stage.

the mentality is the big one for me. It’s in pieces.

Losing games is one thing, it’s the way we just implode that really tells me there’s a serious problem there.

we were never in that game after the penalty. No mental toughness.

[Since452]

No leaders on the park. Paul Hanlon certainly isn't one. Compare him to David Gray. You felt he could drag us to a result.

[madabouthibs]

His time is up I'd say, I feel for him though, the players just aren't firing on all cylinders. Especially up top.

[Pagan Hibernia]

It reminds me a bit of the winter three years ago, and the awful run that ultimately saw the end of Lennon

[Kaff]

I just don’t think he has any idea what to do anymore, no bad feelings towards him but it’s time he goes.


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That’s a good post.
Unfortunately he has one fairly defensive type of team set up and it’s been sussed so he needs to adapt and have alternative tactics but his defensive nature just won’t allow it.
It’s a shame but time to go.

[Since452]

It reminds me a bit of the winter three years ago, and the awful run that ultimately saw the end of Lennon

Very, very similar.

[Is It On....]

Let’s see how Ron deals with this. If he knows his stuff he knows that he needs to act now to prevent a descent to relegation battle. So annoying. This is a decent team. Formation and tactics are shocking. But, seen enough in recent games to know that we are in a dog fight if JR stays and continues to employ these tactics.

[Stevie Reid]

I’ll be quite sad to see him go but can no longer argue against it.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Waiting for the dreaded "we are too good to go down".

[matty_f]

Tonight felt like a must win for him, neither he nor the players performed like it was. Time to go.

[Hibees1973]

This Hibs team is soft, unreliable and unpredictable.

Ross has got a huge job on his hands with the players available. Football does tend to throw in the odd unbelievable result. It's clear the 3-1 win against Rangers in the semi was one of them.

There is no spirit in this team if we go behind. Grim and concerning times.

Club is in free fall on and off the pitch.

Christ knows how this is going to be turned around and quickly.

[sean04]

Got to go, performances getting worse, players losing the plot, only hibs would hand out contracts to players on a shocking run of defeats. Maybe not his fault for the summer window but this run and performances land firmly at his feet.

[LunasBoots]

As someone who has defended JR i simply cannot anymore, new manager, new ideas and new players needed now, the stats dont lie, we are in freefall.

[The Spaceman]

I’ll be quite sad to see him go but can no longer argue against it.

Where I’m at. Would love to see him succeed with us, but think other teams have our number now well and truly with no attempts made to fix it.

[WhileTheChief..]

I like JR but think we have a crap squad. Not sure if that’s on him or the club though.

Problem is, they’re all on long term contracts so any new manager has to work with the same guff.

I’m tempted to stick with him but I think he’ll be away by Xmas.

[LancsHibs]

When JR was appointed I was uninspired but soon grew to support him as it looked like we were heading in the right direction even if some of the football was a tad dull, the summer recruitment was disappointing and has turned out to be disastrous. But the resent form has been unacceptable, losing to Ross County & Livingston in the manner we have has seen me now change my mind on JR, those performances were brutal. He has to go, simple as and as soon as possible.

[Pretty Boy]

I feel for him.

With qualifications he did a good job last year and there was a good platform to build from and kick on. For whatever reason and whoever is to blame that didn’t happen this summer. He was calling it out very early on even when some fans were still suggesting it had been a good window. A manager calling out the club publicly is always telling. He has since lost arguably our best performer this season to injury, lost our best striker to injury and had the covid situation to deal with. If nothing else no one can argue Ross has been coasting on easy street since he has been here.

However I can’t accept he shouldn’t be getting more from this squad than he is. This current crisis, and it is a crisis now, has gone on for too long and doesn’t look like ending anytime soon. The total collapse tonight was just horrific to watch and whilst the players have to shoulder a big chunk of the responsibility, so does Ross.

I’d genuinely be saddened to see him go and I could probably put together a case to give him more time but there would be an element of defending the indefensible about it. If we haven’t reached the point of no return we are approaching it.

[Billy McKirdy]

I’ve been a glass half full but I’m turning rapidly.
The players don’t escape criticism either but it’s Ross’s doing.

[BegbieHSC]

I’ve never called for Ross to get the sack - even after the shambles of a cup final back in May.

I genuinely believed up until tonight, he would turn around our form.

Not anymore - he needs to go. We’re dangerously close to the relegation play off, and we need to act fast.

Alec Neil is available, and dare I mention, but Neil Lennon too (I know that’s a divisive topic) but we desperately need to move away from JR now.

[Kaff]

the mentality is the big one for me. It’s in pieces.

Losing games is one thing, it’s the way we just implode that really tells me there’s a serious problem there.

we were never in that game after the penalty. No mental toughness.

The defeat to Rangers when Porto got sent off has absolutely knocked us for 6, till then we were unbeaten and after that, and the subsequent hounding Porto took, we have won one league game and only got 4pts in 27.
JR has to take responsibility for a large part of that and unfortunately it’s just been a shambles since then with one bright spot being the League Cup and hopefully that doesn’t end up being a hammering and the hounding in the press we would undoubtedly get, relegation would then be a concern.
Of course a couple of wins would allay the relegation fears but where are they coming from?

[loanheadhibby]

Yes I still can. I don’t think anyone else would do any better with this squad.
So are you seriously saying we stick with Ross because nobody could do any better?

[GreenCastle]

I posted this last year and have updated the list...

X2 derby loses - one of those performances absolutely awful in the league - the other cost us a place in cup final.
Aberdeen loses last season and not scoring against them.
Aberdeen loss this season when they couldn't beat anyone - lost 1v0 (no shot on target for Hibs)
Aberdeen 3-1 end of last season
Dundee Utd beat us 3v0 at home this season.
Dundee Utd late goal last season
Losing late goals to draw against St Mirren and Dundee this season.
St Johnstone home draw last season
Celtic late goal loss last season
Celtic this season - 3v0 down after 30 mins going on 7
Last season Ross County - bottom of the league - 1 point from 6 - beat us 2v0 at Easter Road - played them x9 and lost x3 - won x3
This season Ross County - bottom of the league - lose 1v0 away
Livi - 3-0 going on more ( worst ever home defeat to Livi) - Livi 2-0 loss and tonights 1-0 loss - played them 8 times and only won x3
Livi 1-1 end of last season at home
Alloa performance in league cup last season
League Cup group stages performances were woeful last season
St Johnstone semi final last season
St Johnstone final last season
Played St Johnstone x8 - won only x3 times - Lost x4 - Draw x1


Yes we have won some games obviously and credit where it’s due for those wins but we have had some absolute shockers along the way.

[Highwayman]

Alex Neil was on Sportsound tonight.

Said he would be interested in managing a top six club in Scotland.

Watch this space.

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

No leaders on the park. Paul Hanlon certainly isn't one. Compare him to David Gray. You felt he could drag us to a result.

Been saying that for the last few seasons now 🙄

[Heisenberg]

Supported him plenty last season and even at the start of this bad run but can’t find any reason to do so after tonight. He clearly can’t turn this around. It’s going backwards if anything.

[Hibernia&Alba]

I feel for him.

With qualifications he did a good job last year and there was a good platform to build from and kick on. For whatever reason and whoever is to blame that didn’t happen this summer. He was calling it out very early on even when some fans were still suggesting it had been a good window. A manager calling out the club publicly is always telling. He has since lost arguably our best performer this season to injury, lost our best striker to injury and had the covid situation to deal with. If nothing else no one can argue Ross has been coasting on easy street since he has been here.

However I can’t accept he shouldn’t be getting more from this squad than he is. This current crisis, and it is a crisis now, has gone on for too long and doesn’t look like ending anytime soon. The total collapse tonight was just horrific to watch and whilst the players have to shoulder a big chunk of the responsibility, so does Ross.

I’d genuinely be saddened to see him go and I could probably put together a case to give him more time but there would be an element of defending the indefensible about it. If we haven’t reached the point of no return we are approaching it.

Good post, PB. There are mitigating factors e.g. the summer transfer window, which were not Ross's fault. Others also need to be held accountable. But this is really bad now, and the manager must be on the brink. Both results and performances are nowhere near good enough. Should we give him the next two games before the final? Perhaps; the timing of a sacking always presents a dilemma: how long do you leave it? It's a real shame that it's come to this just before a cup final, but we are in freefall in the league.

[The 90+2]

I will stick with my opinion that until we have a negotiated a deal to bring in a manager the club believe can do better than Jack Ross then he shouldn't be sacked.

Kean the snake to take over in the interim and lead us into a national final? **** that for a laugh.

[Sir David Gray]

Your time's up Jack, had enough now.

A change must happen before we're in a relegation battle.

[NorthNorfolkHFC]

So are you seriously saying we stick with Ross because nobody could do any better?

Argument falls flat when you see clubs like United looking at Courts who nobody gave a chance


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[Smartie]

I was slagging his choice of formation and tactics pre-match, but having watched the match - we’ve seen what he did, and it didn’t work. What does another manager do differently with this group of players?

The writing has been on the wall since the transfer window closed and where we are now can be a surprise to nobody. The depth of squad we have is lamentable and we’re an injury to a key player away from struggling at any time. Cadden missing tonight - we go 4231, which we never play well. What exactly TF do we do for a defence at the weekend? Nisbet has me wanting to dig the boots back out.

Obviously the manager has to carry the can for much of this, but I can’t say I don’t have a bit of sympathy for him.

Even if, when each team is announced it is easy to say, every time “that’s not going to work because…”

[Since452]

Alex Neil was on Sportsound tonight.

Said he would be interested in managing a top six club in Scotland.

Watch this space.

That rules us out then

[Silky]

Alex Neil was on Sportsound tonight.

Said he would be interested in managing a top six club in Scotland.

Watch this space.

We're seventh though???:confused:

[SMAXXA]

No I don’t think we can, I’ve defended him but won’t anymore unfortunately

[Winston Ingram]

He’s been in charge 2 years. It’s his squad. The work rate tonight was a disgrace and his tactics as per were absolute baffling.

Time to go.

[Dashing Bob S]

He won’t go before the final which we shall lose. If we defy all odds and win it, he’ll stay, have a late post Christmas run to get to the 10th qualifying round in the Europa and it’ll be described as a great season.

Not convinced of him anymore though.

[AgentDaleCooper]

I feel for him.

With qualifications he did a good job last year and there was a good platform to build from and kick on. For whatever reason and whoever is to blame that didn’t happen this summer. He was calling it out very early on even when some fans were still suggesting it had been a good window. A manager calling out the club publicly is always telling. He has since lost arguably our best performer this season to injury, lost our best striker to injury and had the covid situation to deal with. If nothing else no one can argue Ross has been coasting on easy street since he has been here.

However I can’t accept he shouldn’t be getting more from this squad than he is. This current crisis, and it is a crisis now, has gone on for too long and doesn’t look like ending anytime soon. The total collapse tonight was just horrific to watch and whilst the players have to shoulder a big chunk of the responsibility, so does Ross.

I’d genuinely be saddened to see him go and I could probably put together a case to give him more time but there would be an element of defending the indefensible about it. If we haven’t reached the point of no return we are approaching it.
Exactly how i feel :aok:

[Brightside]

No.

[The Modfather]

I like JR but think we have a crap squad. Not sure if that’s on him or the club though.

Problem is, they’re all on long term contracts so any new manager has to work with the same guff.

I’m tempted to stick with him but I think he’ll be away by Xmas.

I don’t necessarily think we do have a poor squad. Criminally short in depth and admittedly certain areas do lack quality, but I think Ross is making us less than the sum of our parts. I felt that even when we were finishing 3rd last season.

I think the midfield is his downfall. He clearly wants two sitting midfielders and won’t ever move away from that whether we’re at Ibrox or home to the bottom of the league. I think his blind spot is seeing the downsides to two deep midfielders in that we end up bereft of any creativity or runners supporting the attack. We then have two defenders in Doig and Cadden for our width and two strikers, plus Maggenis, with the sole goal scoring burden. The goals and assists throughout the team, as another poster showed the other day, evidences this.

I think the way Ross asks Newell & JDH to play, regardless of the opposition, is indicative of his limitations.

[Since452]

I fully expect us to lose to St Mirren on Saturday. We can't continue to sleepwalk towards relegation. Something has to change.

[houstonhibbee]

Alex Neil was on Sportsound tonight.

Said he would be interested in managing a top six club in Scotland.

Watch this space.
But we’re seventh

[SHODAN]

Yup, still on board. Sorry.

[B.H.F.C]

He’s not turning this round.

I’ve never been his biggest fan but the players were an absolute disgrace tonight and let him down.

We’re not a good side. He was let down in the summer but too many of the players we have signed under him offer nowhere near enough.

[Coco Bryce]

We're seventh though???:confused:

He was expecting us to win tonight though.

[Stevie Reid]

It reminds me a bit of the winter three years ago, and the awful run that ultimately saw the end of Lennon

This run is already worse. Quick glance shows it was a 14 game spell for Lennon after we beat Hamilton 6-0 at ER - six losses, six draws and two wins. 0.86 points per game vs 0.44 in the last nine.

Those 14 games also included a good Aberdeen side at Pittodrie, and home and away games against both the OF and Hearts.

[h1bs4life]

Alex Neil was on Sportsound tonight.

Said he would be interested in managing a top six club in Scotland.

Watch this space.

Heard him on Sportsound going to and from mates to watch the game.
Was our chief executive at Norwich same time as him ?
Get him in and get Ross out.

[Real Emerald]

The recruitment was the problem, not defending JR but he doesn’t have much to work with when a couple of injuries kick in. Ridiculously small squad for a club like Hibs who are still happy to charge top dollar.

Also trying to rely on a very poor centre forward in Nisbet was never going to work. Shambles again from Hibs but who exactly is to blame?

[Silky]

I was slagging his choice of formation and tactics pre-match, but having watched the match - we’ve seen what he did, and it didn’t work. What does another manager do differently with this group of players?

The writing has been on the wall since the transfer window closed and where we are now can be a surprise to nobody. The depth of squad we have is lamentable and we’re an injury to a key player away from struggling at any time. Cadden missing tonight - we go 4231, which we never play well. What exactly TF do we do for a defence at the weekend? Nisbet has me wanting to dig the boots back out.

Obviously the manager has to carry the can for much of this, but I can’t say I don’t have a bit of sympathy for him.

Even if, when each team is announced it is easy to say, every time “that’s not going to work because…”

I agree. There is nothing there. What the defence will be at the weekend god only knows. Having said that, it might be better with Hanlon and McGinn not playing as I think they've been culpable recently.

The formation is a strange one. I don't think 4-2-3-1 works, but then there was a lot of criticism on here of Ross going 3-5-2 as well.

[The 90+2]

But we’re seventh

We're the third/fourth biggest club in the country. Do you seriously think Neil was talking about Motherwell or Dundee Utd? :greengrin

[Kaff]

Alex Neil was on Sportsound tonight.

Said he would be interested in managing a top six club in Scotland.

Watch this space.

I wouldn’t want the Preston North End Alex Neill, they were brutal to watch and total anti football but willing to accept he maybe had a small budget and was his way of keeping them from relegation.
We need a dynamic manager with two or three game plans and to be adaptable.

I don’t know who that is because the high profile names are probably outside our budget, Neill may well fit the bill as he’s a good age and has experienced different levels of the game.
He needs a restart and we certainly need one too

[steelendhibs]

I am not usually in the sack the manager brigade until it gets really bad, but this is now really bad!!!! You can kind of take one offs like Dundee United at home when more often than not we play well, but we aren’t. The performance tonight was an absolute disgrace. When things are going wrong at a club, little things really come to the fore. Porteous goes off injured with McGregor coming on. Now nobody can do anything about an injury, but for an experienced professional like Paul McGinn to get a silly 2 nd yellow when McGregor is covering is unforgivable, especially with Caren potentially injured and not able to play on Saturday against St Mirren with McGinn suspended. Then our club captain does the exact same thing!!! So now we are potentially looking at a back four at the weekend from right back to left back of Stevenson, McGregor, Doig and a seriously unfit Mackie. The players as a whole should be ashamed of themselves as professionals after tonight. Seems too much of a coincidence that a lot of them get new deals and have the adoration from the fans of getting to a cup final and then the bad run before the semi final continues. There weee times when players didn’t seem to want to go in for headers, as if they were scared. The players are producing this embarrassment, but ultimately Jack Ross and his coaching staff have fostered this environment over the last 2 years and I think they have to go, cup final coming up or not.

[Stuart93]

There are factors which have gone against Hibs which are beyond the fault of Jack Ross.
Two biggies are a ‘not very good transfer window” and a December fixture list that barely allows a player to get over a niggle, never mind an injury.
Two games against rangers must have drained the players mentally as well as physically, throw them into this fixture scenario and it isn’t going to help preparation for games.
Red cards? Not the managers fault.
Even the Livvy game, pundits have been raving about their performances of late, our form has dipped so was tonight really a surprise?

It’s not what has gone before, it’s what happens next.

So going by your last sentence, we’ve to forget 4 points out of 27 and hope we manage a win against st mirren? Absolute pish

JR made they changes at half time tonight, changed our shape and we lost everything we had in the game because of it. Things like that are absolutely his fault. Going with the same tactics week in week out is absolutely his fault.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Times up. Cheerio!


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Absolutely no defending him ... we should be on the phone to Alex Neil now.

[Since452]

I have anxiety about us bringing in 3 or 4 loan players in January to try and get us out this mess. Players who don't care one way or the other what happens. We could very easily slip further down this league. Seen it before. I'm probably being dramatic and sure that won't happen but that's the stage I'm at.

[j'adorehibs]

no desire no aggression no discipline no intensity from any players on the park....the buck however stops with Ross. Time to go before we free fall .
I suspect he'll get to the final though , i predict a draw at St Mirren and with Dundee at home then a hefty defeat at Hampden ...then if he doesn't walk he'll be sacked

[sean04]

Is Ron Gordon in the country? Or can Ben call a board meeting? Surely a conversation is happening tonight or tomorrow morning

[SlickShoes]

I have defended him up until now, but tonight was a complete joke and every weakness was exposed. The players are letting him down.

I'd say if we don't get a reaction and win on Saturday its the end of the line, but that only leaves a week until the cup final. I don't think we will sack him tomorrow so he will probably get until the cup final to save his job and in the process we get to suffer another hampden horror show.

[Stuart93]

Is Ron Gordon in the country? Or can Ben call a board meeting? Surely a conversation is happening tonight or tomorrow morning

I’ve a feeling they’ll have their heads in the sand right now

Genuinely can’t see him getting sacked

[judas]

JR has the 7th best win ratio of any manager in our history.

Removing Stubbs who managed us in The Championship, would put JR 6th.

We have hit a very bad spell, but I do not believe the players have given up on him.

I think we need to give him the League Cup Final at least.

[B.H.F.C]

Is Ron Gordon in the country? Or can Ben call a board meeting? Surely a conversation is happening tonight or tomorrow morning

We won’t do anything. He’ll get the cup final at least. I still think he’ll be here end of the season but not sure about next.

[Since452]

So going by your last sentence, we’ve to forget 4 points out of 27 and hope we manage a win against st mirren? Absolute pish

JR made they changes at half time tonight, changed our shape and we lost everything we had in the game because of it. Things like that are absolutely his fault. Going with the same tactics week in week out is absolutely his fault.

I actually think tonight was the one time he didn't need to change anything at half time (in hindsight). We just got worse. Allan showed exactly why he shouldn't be starting games and Doidge is still well off it. Lost the midfield when Campbell went off.

[LancsHibs]

Paul Cook anyone? Available after departing Ipswich. Has a good record (apart from Ipswich!)

[Hibernia&Alba]

I have anxiety about us bringing in 3 or 4 loan players in January to try and get us out this mess. Players who don't care one way or the other what happens. We could very easily slip further down this league. Seen it before. I'm probably being dramatic and sure that won't happen but that's the stage I'm at.

Given our form, we can take nothing for granted. We sleepwalked into the last relegation, thinking we had enough to keep us up, only to be sucked into the mire right at the end of the season. If we haven't learned from that experience as a club, then God help us. We need to get a grip of the situation quickly.

[WestCoastHibby]

Alex Neil was on Sportsound tonight.

Said he would be interested in managing a top six club in Scotland.

Watch this space.
He was definitely saying “come and get me”

[berwickhibee]

Backed him,until now.

Team set up in the second half was a joke, unbalanced and clueless.

He made his changes and actually made us worse. Bored to tears watching Hibs just now.No excitement. Poor recruitment is also a factor. They won't sack him before the final but for me he's finished,dead man walking 🇳🇬

[Nicho87]

He should have been punted after the semi final against saints.

Far to many performances like that where we looked good first half and then crumbled.

No back bone in that team at all.

Alex Neil come on down

[sean04]

I’ve a feeling they’ll have their heads in the sand right now

Genuinely can’t see him getting sacked

Unless they have already done alot of work for the January transfer window then I can't see any reason for him to stay

[mcfly]

JR has the 7th best win ratio of any manager in our history.

Removing Stubbs who managed us in The Championship, would put JR 6th.

We have hit a very bad spell, but I do not believe the players have given up on him.

I think we need to give him the League Cup Final at least.

Why??

We need to give ourselves the best chance to win the cup

[Since452]

JR has the 7th best win ratio of any manager in our history.

Removing Stubbs who managed us in The Championship, would put JR 6th.

We have hit a very bad spell, but I do not believe the players have given up on him.

I think we need to give him the League Cup Final at least.

I didn't either until that 2nd half performance tonight. I wanted the players to prove that they hadn't lost faith in Ross but what I got was an absolute shambles. That's the only way to describe it.

[Real Emerald]

I actually think tonight was the one time he didn't need to change anything at half time (in hindsight). We just got worse. Allan showed exactly why he shouldn't be starting games and Doidge is still well off it. Lost the midfield when Campbell went off.

Totally agree, Campbell was doing fine and Doidge looks like he’s lost weight and in recovery, nowhere near up to speed. JDH is a good player but a crab like Newel, we needed a forward thinking mid on for one of them IMO.

[GreenCastle]

Is Ron Gordon in the country? Or can Ben call a board meeting? Surely a conversation is happening tonight or tomorrow morning

Don't think Ron is.

He wasn't at Hampden for Rangers semi final.

Ben seems to really like / seems to really want to back Ross - he's made this clear on podcasts etc.

There is no doubt they will have talked about new players for January.

Are they really going to risk a change before the cup final and even before the transfer window.

As others have said...feels like we have seen this movie before.

The recent podcast Ben talked about Ross not having a slump - well he's currently deep in one and things only seem to be going in 1 direction and that doesn't involve a cup win or points in the league.

[The 90+2]

The recruitment was the problem, not defending JR but he doesn’t have much to work with when a couple of injuries kick in. Ridiculously small squad for a club like Hibs who are still happy to charge top dollar.

Also trying to rely on a very poor centre forward in Nisbet was never going to work. Shambles again from Hibs but who exactly is to blame?

Do you seriously think that Jack Ross had absolutely no say in the recruitment perhaps he over estimated our squad? He has his St Mirren pal in the team and his brother last season. We should be looking at miles better than that.

Did Mathie sign the McGinns or the other St Mirren players? Does he have no input into having about 600 midfielders in the same role? You think Mathie went "Jack, we're signing Alex Gogic, enjoy bud?"

Ross will be as big an issue for the summer if not more. Mathie got sacked for not selling imo.

[pacoluna]

It reminds me a bit of the winter three years ago, and the awful run that ultimately saw the end of Lennon

Neil Lennon still had us playing in front of a packed ER.

[Since452]

Neil Lennon still had us playing in front of a packed ER.

I think that was more down to the fact we'd recently won the SC and were back in the top league after 3 seasons.

[Greenio]

I'll happily defend him. I'd give him the Jan window and a month after to work with new players. That's my opinion. Fine for others to disagree btw. That's the whole point of an opinion.

[Hfc_Since1875]

I don’t see JR going anywhere soon, Graeme Mathie has been made the scapegoat for the first half of the season already. JR will be backed in January and get time to attempt and turn this round

[GreenCastle]

Unless they have already done alot of work for the January transfer window then I can't see any reason for him to stay

I would be amazed if we haven't already identified players Ross wants to bring in during January.

Ideally no more Woods and Scotts though...

[BoomtownHibees]

Allan showed exactly why he shouldn't be starting games

I don’t think he did. What it did show is Scott Allan shouldn’t be asked to play out on the left

[Hibernia&Alba]

I'll happily defend him. I'd give him the Jan window and a month after to work with new players. That's my opinion. Fine for others to disagree btw. That's the whole point of an opinion.

Absolutely, that's what a fans forum is for.

[Silky]

So going by your last sentence, we’ve to forget 4 points out of 27 and hope we manage a win against st mirren? Absolute pish

JR made they changes at half time tonight, changed our shape and we lost everything we had in the game because of it. Things like that are absolutely his fault. Going with the same tactics week in week out is absolutely his fault.

What tactics would best suit the team, though? I read on here recently that the 3-5-2/3-4-1-2 had to change because it wasn't working-it changed tonight to the 4-2-3-1 but it didn't work either. Unless, of course, like you suggest the other posters have been wrong and we've never went 3-5-2 (I thought we did in the semi-but I could be wrong) and just played the same formation every week.

The subs I agree. Last week he was criticised for making them too late. Tonight, he's gone too early and it changed the game. I wonder how long as a manager you leave it-I don't know, I've never managed. 60 mins?, 75? Would that be enough time to change the game? Who knows!

[Real Emerald]

Do you seriously think that Jack Ross had absolutely no say in the recruitment perhaps he over estimated our squad? He has his St Mirren pal in the team and his brother last season. We should be looking at miles better than that.

Did Mathie sign the McGinns or the other St Mirren players? Does he have no input into having about 600 midfielders in the same role? You think Mathie went "Jack, we're signing Alex Gogic, enjoy bud?"

Ross will be as big an issue for the summer if not more. Mathie got sacked for not selling imo.

I said I have no idea who is responsible for recruitment, is it the manager, recruitment team or the owner? My point is the recruitment is the problem leaving JR with no options. It very well may be his fault, I just don’t know who is to blame for the shambles.

[MrRobot]

Needs to go, simply not good enough.

[SteveHFC]

Sounded like a broken man in his post match interview

[Nakedmanoncrack]

I've expressed reservations but never called for his head, its always a very sad day when it comes to this point, and rarely down to one individual. But this can't go on, after a decent start we have been the worst team in the league over an extended period, if that continues we will be playing in the Championship again next season. St Mirren & Dundee will be relishing the upcoming fixtures against Hibs, as will everyone else against this side. A change of head coach is now inevitable, its a matter of when, I'd like to see the club be bold, but wont hold my breath. Top to bottom club is soft as f*** & far too "nice" to be willing to act decisively.

[Stuart93]

What tactics would best suit the team, though? I read on here recently that the 3-5-2/3-4-1-2 had to change because it wasn't working-it changed tonight to the 4-2-3-1 but it didn't work either. Unless, of course, like you suggest the other posters have been wrong and we've never went 3-5-2 (I thought we did in the semi-but I could be wrong) and just played the same formation every week.

The subs I agree. Last week he was criticised for making them too late. Tonight, he's gone too early and it changed the game. I wonder how long as a manager you leave it-I don't know, I've never managed. 60 mins?, 75? Would that be enough time to change the game? Who knows!

I just think the team look over coached. I mentioned this to my mates last week. Everything’s so methodical, if we see more of the ball its get the ball out wide and cross it into the box at every opportunity. I’m struggling to remember the last time we scored a goal from a shot from long distance? We try the same thing over and over again and teams have sussed it

[skyehibee]

Step up Alex Neil

[1620]

I have anxiety about us bringing in 3 or 4 loan players in January to try and get us out this mess. Players who don't care one way or the other what happens. We could very easily slip further down this league. Seen it before. I'm probably being dramatic and sure that won't happen but that's the stage I'm at.

We now need a manager who will steer us clear of relegation and that is not JR. He has no idea how to set up the team defensively and until we stop conceding goals we are headed for the Championship. We have this very small squad and could be stuck with it for the rest of the season because I don’t see players of the right calibre signing for us in January with us diving head long into the Championship. That means we need someone who can better organise the squad we have. Forget now about a third place finish, this now is about retaining our Premier place!

[Flanny boy]

I've expressed reservations but never called for his head, its always a very sad day when it comes to this point, and rarely down to one individual. But this can't go on, after a decent start we have been the worst team in the league over an extended period, if that continues we will be playing in the Championship again next season. St Mirren & Dundee will be relishing the upcoming fixtures against Hibs, as will everyone else against this side. A change of head coach is now inevitable, its a matter of when, I'd like to see the club be bold, but wont hold my breath. Top to bottom club is soft as f*** & far too "nice" to be willing to act.
💯 this,sad but true

[Since452]

Sounded like a broken man in his post match interview

The writing is on the wall. Really sad day all round.

[mcohibs]

As sad as it is to be at this point, the rest of the season needs to be about damage limitation. I'm thinking back to Fenlon's departure mid season and how that ended up... is sacking Jack Ross at this stage really the way to go?

[Smartie]

Do you seriously think that Jack Ross had absolutely no say in the recruitment perhaps he over estimated our squad? He has his St Mirren pal in the team and his brother last season. We should be looking at miles better than that.

Did Mathie sign the McGinns or the other St Mirren players? Does he have no input into having about 600 midfielders in the same role? You think Mathie went "Jack, we're signing Alex Gogic, enjoy bud?"

Ross will be as big an issue for the summer if not more. Mathie got sacked for not selling imo.

I’ve had reservations about how Mathie ended up under a bus and Jack Ross walked away relatively unscathed from the summer mess.

None of us will ever know what went on and obviously the working relationship between the pair ended up beyond repair, but I’ve been sceptical about how it all panned out.

Mathie had been part of a successful and popular regime. It seems to me like we’re still in a bit of a transitional period between that regime and whatever the next one is going to be. And like all other transition spells, it isn’t much fun being in the middle of it.

[NC1875]

Out of 9 games he’s won 1 against 10 men and people are defending him ?

Paid £40 for a final ticket today and if he’s in charge I genuinely don’t know if I’ll be there.

Time for him to go

[madhatter]

I said I have no idea who is responsible for recruitment, is it the manager, recruitment team or the owner? My point is the recruitment is the problem leaving JR with no options. It very well may be his fault, I just don’t know who is to blame for the shambles.

Hecky - we sign players from down South. Jack Ross - we sign players from St Mirren, St Johnstone and Hamilton. I'm sure Graeme Mathie and recruitment team (whatever that means now at Hibs) had a part to play but remember the two players we supposedly missed out on were a St Mirren player and a St Johnstone player. I think it is evident that Jack Ross has had a hefty influence on transfers and the fact that Gogic and Wright can barely get a game now suggests we maybe shouldn't have managers (especially in Scotland) identifying the players and we should, as Leeann had put into place, have a DoF type role. Scottish managers will generally recruit players they know in the league and that, for Hibs, will mean we will sign from clubs lower than us (unless we get a Henderson/McGeouch/Murphy loan deal with a potential of permanent, again not great as these players are either unproven or have injury records). This is not a guaranteed recipe for success - we signed Rowan Vine, Owain Tudur-Jones and had Thomson (struggling badly with fitness) as we trundled towards our remise...

[lord bunberry]

I’ve definitely not lost the faith. I still feel we’ve got one of the best young managers in Scotland. He’ll get the backing he needs in the January window and then we’ll see what he’s made off.

[hibeerealist]

Absolutely, there is nothing we can do about the 4 from 27, do you not want us to beat st mirren?

JR gets pesters for not making changes as well as for making changes.
Hindsight management.
Should have done this and it would have worked. Well, maybe not.

Tactics will be based on players available, some of the players available aren’t all that good.

Just saying it isn’t all JR.
Change the manager might not herald better performances, we’ve seen that before.

So stick or twist?

Wish it was that easy.

Small squad, injuries, suspensions the bottom line is THE MANAGER IS NOT GETTING THE BEST OUT OF THE PLAYERS HE IS PLAYING!

That is his job and he is failing badly. Perhaps he was just very fortunate last season, that is until he met the mighty St Johnstone where he failed again.

[mcohibs]

Out of 9 games he’s won 1 against 10 men and people are defending him ?

Paid £40 for a final ticket today and if he’s in charge I genuinely don’t know if I’ll be there.

Time for him to go

So one defeat in the probably 12 hours since you bought your ticket has swayed whether you'll go or not? You'll be there.

[Since452]

Out of 9 games he’s won 1 against 10 men and people are defending him ?

Paid £40 for a final ticket today and if he’s in charge I genuinely don’t know if I’ll be there.

Time for him to go

You wouldn't support your team in the final because of the manager?

[ABZHFC]

We can sack him, bring in a new manager, get a slight bounce and then the same thing will happen in a few seasons time. We need long term stability, and that does not come from firing managers on the back of a poor run/performances. Give him until the end of January at the very least

[OstKurve Hibs]

Alex Neil was on Sportsound tonight.

Said he would be interested in managing a top six club in Scotland.

Watch this space.

Was he at norwich same time as ben kensall?

[mcohibs]

Was he at norwich same time as ben kensall?

Yes

[Since452]

We can sack him, bring in a new manager, get a slight bounce and then the same thing will happen in a few seasons time. We need long term stability, and that does not come from firing managers on the back of a poor run/performances. Give him until the end of January at the very least

Posts like this give me a bit more faith. I'd like to say the same and probably will with a clearer head but right at this moment I've lost the faith I had.

[NC1875]

You wouldn't support your team in the final because of the manager?

I’ll be supporting my team but I don’t know if I’ll be at the game.

[Pagan Hibernia]

Aye you carry on uberfan.

no need. He expressed a different opinion, that’s all.

[hibeerealist]

Hecky - we sign players from down South. Jack Ross - we sign players from St Mirren, St Johnstone and Hamilton. I'm sure Graeme Mathie and recruitment team (whatever that means now at Hibs) had a part to play but remember the two players we supposedly missed out on were a St Mirren player and a St Johnstone player. I think it is evident that Jack Ross has had a hefty influence on transfers and the fact that Gogic and Wright can barely get a game now suggests we maybe shouldn't have managers (especially in Scotland) identifying the players and we should, as Leeann had put into place, have a DoF type role. Scottish managers will generally recruit players they know in the league and that, for Hibs, will mean we will sign from clubs lower than us (unless we get a Henderson/McGeouch/Murphy loan deal with a potential of permanent, again not great as these players are either unproven or have injury records). This is not a guaranteed recipe for success - we signed Rowan Vine, Owain Tudur-Jones and had Thomson (struggling badly with fitness) as we trundled towards our remise...


I posted along these lines a while ago MH, JR HAS to be involved in the selection/transfer targets as he will be tasked with fitting them into his team. I think GM took a bath when a few should have been soaked, one of which is certainly the manager.

[Coco Bryce]

I’ve definitely not lost the faith. I still feel we’ve got one of the best young managers in Scotland. He’ll get the backing he needs in the January window and then we’ll see what he’s made off.

Best at what?

The most overrated manager is Scotland maybe?

[Nicho87]

Was he at norwich same time as ben kensall?

Googled and found a Norwich article
City’s Director of Commercial Ben Kensell said the Club has been delighted to welcome the new partners on board and to work closely with its existing partners in order to ensure the Club moves in the right direction commercially.

Hard work has paid off throughout the commercial team at the Club as it continues its commitment to raising as much income as possible to support the work of manager Alex Neil, the first team squad and the Norwich City Academy.

[madhatter]

We can sack him, bring in a new manager, get a slight bounce and then the same thing will happen in a few seasons time. We need long term stability, and that does not come from firing managers on the back of a poor run/performances. Give him until the end of January at the very least

Why end of January? Allow Jack Ross to spend the clubs money on signings? What if he continues to fail? We are back to doing what we have always done - had a manager in charge of recruitment signs a whole bunch of players and then new manager comes in and goes "what is all this rubbish?" and wants a complete rebuild. Always worry when people think a manager just needs another transfer window. How many transfer windows is enough? When the kitty is dry?

[RIP]

Players we shipped out as unwanted are now turning in match-winning performances against us. That’s because they are well motivated and well managed.

[mcohibs]

We can sack him, bring in a new manager, get a slight bounce and then the same thing will happen in a few seasons time. We need long term stability, and that does not come from firing managers on the back of a poor run/performances. Give him until the end of January at the very least

I've always seen the long term manager stability thing as a bit of a myth at Hibs to be honest.

Any manager performing well at Hibs will be off at the hint of a decent job down south. Jack Ross would be the same. Loyalty works two ways

[B.H.F.C]

I’ve definitely not lost the faith. I still feel we’ve got one of the best young managers in Scotland. He’ll get the backing he needs in the January window and then we’ll see what he’s made off.

Problem with the January window is that we might be in one of the relegation spots by then.

A couple of weeks ago the talk was about the games in hand, well that’s them both lost to two of the worst teams in the league.

We need to find a result, we can’t just keep waiting on things down the line to sort us out when we don’t know what will materialise.

[loanheadhibby]

We can sack him, bring in a new manager, get a slight bounce and then the same thing will happen in a few seasons time. We need long term stability, and that does not come from firing managers on the back of a poor run/performances. Give him until the end of January at the very least
Do you honestly think JR can turn things around?
I admire your optimism but to give him to the end of January could be disastrous.

[Since452]

Players we shipped out as unwanted are now turning in match-winning performances against us. That’s because they are well motivated and well managed.

Not buying that. Those same players have been on a horrendous run and are at a club like Livingston for a reason. They wouldn't improve us.

[SaulGoodman]

Aye you carry on uberfan.

Giving someone personal abuse for voicing their opinion not even aimed at you says a lot about yourself.

To reply to the thread title, I’m losing patience now with him, he could go tonight and I wouldn’t be bothered

[Real Emerald]

Hecky - we sign players from down South. Jack Ross - we sign players from St Mirren, St Johnstone and Hamilton. I'm sure Graeme Mathie and recruitment team (whatever that means now at Hibs) had a part to play but remember the two players we supposedly missed out on were a St Mirren player and a St Johnstone player. I think it is evident that Jack Ross has had a hefty influence on transfers and the fact that Gogic and Wright can barely get a game now suggests we maybe shouldn't have managers (especially in Scotland) identifying the players and we should, as Leeann had put into place, have a DoF type role. Scottish managers will generally recruit players they know in the league and that, for Hibs, will mean we will sign from clubs lower than us (unless we get a Henderson/McGeouch/Murphy loan deal with a potential of permanent, again not great as these players are either unproven or have injury records). This is not a guaranteed recipe for success - we signed Rowan Vine, Owain Tudur-Jones and had Thomson (struggling badly with fitness) as we trundled towards our remise...

I agree but I still don’t think JR would have wanted to go into the season knowing he only had one centre forward, the recruitment has been piss poor be it signings sanctioned by JR or the lack of them. The squad is thread bare and I can’t believe any manager would want that. He may well be responsible for the poor signings, he has to take the blame somewhere along the line but I doubt he wanted to be in this situation either. Nisbet has offered nothing and is our only option, Doidge still looks poorly. It’s a shambles of a squad.

P.S. I am in no way sticking up for JR, just saying there are others who must take the blame too.

[Gaffer1875]

McInnes?

Brand of football isn’t the most appealing but tends to grind results out which quite frankly we need.


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[Jones28]

McInnes?

Brand of football isn’t the most appealing but tends to grind results out which quite frankly we need.


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No

[Nicho87]

I’d genuinely have Noel Edmonds as manager over Ross right now.

[Chorley Hibee]

Out of 9 games he’s won 1 against 10 men and people are defending him ?

Paid £40 for a final ticket today and if he’s in charge I genuinely don’t know if I’ll be there.

Time for him to go

It was Scott Allan that dug him out a hole that day too, because we were close to losing that one as well.

[mcohibs]

I’d genuinely have Noel Edmonds as manager over Ross right now.

Deal.

[Real Emerald]

Deal.

You’re a Naughty Boy 😁

[ABZHFC]

Why end of January? Allow Jack Ross to spend the clubs money on signings? What if he continues to fail? We are back to doing what we have always done - had a manager in charge of recruitment signs a whole bunch of players and then new manager comes in and goes "what is all this rubbish?" and wants a complete rebuild. Always worry when people think a manager just needs another transfer window. How many transfer windows is enough? When the kitty is dry?

I'm not saying then because there's a transfer window, I'm saying it because we have a hugely important run of fixtures coming up, and then we've got a cup game and two league games before the end of January. I think he should be given that time, at the very least, to try and turn things around

[Steven79]

If he stays then I can see us going down.

I can't see where the next win is coming from...

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[BoyledEgg]

Backed him up until tonight, but genuinely losing interest now. Half empty stadium, terrible atmosphere at games and the horrendous football isn’t worth the 4 hour round trip to ER anymore. Im gutted for him because at the start of the season the football was exciting, the atmosphere was brilliant at games, don’t know where it’s gone wrong. The semi final win has saved him until the New Year I think, otherwise he would be gone.

[Chorley Hibee]

I expect tomorrow will bring Hibs twitter announcing a new 3 year deal for Drey Wright and a new sponsorship deal with Islamic State.

Would be par for the course right now.

[The Modfather]

Problem with the January window is that we might be in one of the relegation spots by then.

A couple of weeks ago the talk was about the games in hand, well that’s them both lost to two of the worst teams in the league.

We need to find a result, we can’t just keep waiting on things down the line to sort us out when we don’t know what will materialise.

The problem Ross has got, out-with just surviving until January, is that he needs signings at the start of the month who can hit the ground running. All the usual adage about “the January window is a tough window”, “it takes time to get quality in”, “it takes time for players to settle” etc, while all true, isn’t any use to Ross given the position he has got himself in.

I can only see it being loans in that context if he is still here. If it’s a new man by then, which I hope it is, I’d be more willing to sign quality with the mid - long term in mind, think Magennis or Jackson Irvine, as the season is essentially a write off anyway. Give a new man a chance to blood some of the highly rated youngsters and build towards next season with a remit of making the top 6 this season.

[hibeejeebies]

Was he at norwich same time as ben kensall?

And does that mean Ben Kensall gave him the bullet?

[HibeeHibernian4]

Yawn. Yes. Quite easily too. Sacking managers because they lose a few games on the spin is not a viable strategy for a football club to run on.

The modern football supporter is boring and erratic in equal measure.

Paul Heckingbottom was neither a genius when he won a bunch of games nor was he a terrible football manager when didn't win a bunch of games.

Football is more nuanced than that and Hibs fans' desperation to be the first to identify a new manager as a "fraud" is one of the worst things about us as a support.

Sometimes I don't think we deserve success. And let's make no bones about it, going purely off of history and average finishes in Hibs' 140+ years, 3rd place and two cup finals in the space of two years is categorically a success.

Don't like that fact? Maybe go down the M8 and find a club who wins all the time. :aok:

[H18 SFR]

And does that mean Ben Kensall gave him the bullet?

Yes.

[Vault Boy]

And does that mean Ben Kensall gave him the bullet?

No. Ben was COO at Norwich. Stuart Webber would have handled that after the whole board voted for it.

In fact, Ben wasn't given the COO job until 2018, so he'd have still been in his less senior commercial role when Neil was sacked

[MWHIBBIES]

If he stays then I can see us going down.

I can't see where the next win is coming from...

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So you think we'll lose or draw the remaining 22 games?

Will be nowhere near relegation regardless of him staying or not.

[sean04]

I expect tomorrow will bring Hibs twitter announcing a new 3 year deal for Drey Wright and a new sponsorship deal with Islamic State.

Would be par for the course right now.

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[Stuart93]

So you think we'll lose or draw the remaining 22 games?

Will be nowhere near relegation regardless of him staying or not.

Wasn’t it this kind of attitude that got us relegated though? Remember rod petrie walking about BTGs giving the “we won’t go down” because he believed we were too big for it to happen.

[madhatter]

I'm not saying then because there's a transfer window, I'm saying it because we have a hugely important run of fixtures coming up, and then we've got a cup game and two league games before the end of January. I think he should be given that time, at the very least, to try and turn things around

How do club prepare for the transfer window though? As far as I'm aware we do not have a recruitment team identifying and negotiating for players anymore. Looks like we have reverted back to manager says who he wants and then CEO or someone like that then takes over the transfer dealings and contractual negotiations. Means if Jack Ross stays until January and he doesn't turn this round, our season could be well and truly destroyed. Getting rid of a manager during a transfer window without a robust recruitment team in place would be asking for trouble (as if we needed more). If he didn't turn it round by January and left then, leaving us without a manger, without an actionable plan in the transfer window, with a squad with horrendous morale...I could see us being well and truly in relegation fight, if not strong contender for favourite.

Very difficult to stay and turn this round now as the chorus of "Sacked in the morning" becomes more vocal every week we lose. Confidence is shot and our players seem determined to get suspended now so wins are increasingly less likely. We may need an emergency loan to get a defence for our next match...

[MWHIBBIES]

Wasn’t it this kind of attitude that got us relegated though? Remember rod petrie walking about BTGs giving the “we won’t go down” because he believed we were too big for it to happen.

No, it was players like Owain Tudor Jones and Danny Haynes who got us relegated.

We're not too big for it to happen, we just clearly have too many good players for it to happen. A squad with Doidge, Porteous, Nisbet, Allan, Newall etc isn't going down. We're just in brutal form, but we'll be nowhere near the drop.

[FilipinoHibs]

Did JR miss the penalty, did he get our 2 players sent off, did he make KN miss the chance at the end?

He made the changes everyone was crying out for at half time.

Tough to blame him for the loss.

[Crab apple]

No, it was players like Owain Tudor Jones and Danny Haynes who got us relegated.

We're not too big for it to happen, we just clearly have too many good players for it to happen. A squad with Doidge, Porteous, Nisbet, Allan, Newall etc isn't going down. We're just in brutal form, but we'll be nowhere near the drop.

I agree but we're looking like a cert for a bottom six position unless there's a dramatic upturn in form. Doidge looked miles off being fit tonight but because of the summer transfer fiasco he's rushed back. Nisbet has been off form for months. For some reason Allan was played left mid when he came on.

[Steven79]

Did JR miss the penalty, did he get our 2 players sent off, did he make KN miss the chance at the end?

He made the changes everyone was crying out for at half time.

Tough to blame him for the loss.Making those changes helped us lose the game.

You know a manager has lost it when he starts giving into fan pressure...

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[ArmadaleHibs]

Yawn. Yes. Quite easily too. Sacking managers because they lose a few games on the spin is not a viable strategy for a football club to run on.

The modern football supporter is boring and erratic in equal measure.

Paul Heckingbottom was neither a genius when he won a bunch of games nor was he a terrible football manager when didn't win a bunch of games.

Football is more nuanced than that and Hibs fans' desperation to be the first to identify a new manager as a "fraud" is one of the worst things about us as a support.

Sometimes I don't think we deserve success. And let's make no bones about it, going purely off of history and average finishes in Hibs' 140+ years, 3rd place and two cup finals in the space of two years is categorically a success.

Don't like that fact? Maybe go down the M8 and find a club who wins all the time. :aok:


Your absolutely right, in some way we can look at cup semis and finals as a success and 3rd place also. But there is a new reality to it all, and this is the hard pill to swallow. We are now so so very much predictable. We know the result before the ball is kicked. Crowds are down, optimism is gone and the future is bleak under this management. We have a structure in place that is now getting the worst out of a bunch of players that are far far better than they actually are. Yes we have a history of management failures throughout the years. Look at football, 80% of clubs do the same.

When you combine crap results, dwindling crowds, infighting on social media, 3 wins in 23 against Celtic, rangers, hearts and Aberdeen, you’ve got to be sacked. It’s just garbage

[MWHIBBIES]

I agree but we're looking like a cert for a bottom six position unless there's a dramatic upturn in form. Doidge looked miles off being fit tonight but because of the summer transfer fiasco he's rushed back. Nisbet has been off form for months. For some reason Allan was played left mid when he came on.

Don't think we'll even be bottom 6, more than half the season to go. No reason we cant turn things around. There are easily 6 sides worse than us.

[Jones28]

Don't think we'll even be bottom 6, more than half the season to go. No reason we cant turn things around. There are easily 6 sides worse than us.

The evidence is starting to get a bit thin on that front MW, we’re really toiling, and the upturns we’ve seen have quickly led to **** results again.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Making those changes helped us lose the game.

You know a manager has lost it when he starts giving into fan pressure...

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Has a chairman of ceo lost it when they give into fan pressure?

[Heisenberg]

Don't think we'll even be bottom 6, more than half the season to go. No reason we cant turn things around. There are easily 6 sides worse than us.

On this form I’m not sure I can agree with that last sentence. We looked like relegation fodder tonight and have done a few times in this bad run. No sign of it getting better.

[Stuart93]

Don't think we'll even be bottom 6, more than half the season to go. No reason we cant turn things around. There are easily 6 sides worse than us.

How many weeks have we been saying “no reason we can’t turn this round?” now. We can’t keep doing the same thing and expecting different results

[Danderhall Hibs]

The evidence is starting to get a bit thin on that front MW, we’re really toiling, and the upturns we’ve seen have quickly led to **** results again.

I don’t think too many will be bothered - as long as we do well in the cups the league form doesn’t matter. Sure I read that recently.

[hibeerealist]

Did JR miss the penalty, did he get our 2 players sent off, did he make KN miss the chance at the end?

He made the changes everyone was crying out for at half time.

Tough to blame him for the loss.

He picked the team and dictates the tactics FH so yes he takes the major share of the blame, or owns it to use his words.

[PH91]

One on hand i do feel a bit sorry for Ross as he has showed faith in players, backed them publicly and they have consistently underperformed over the last few months. Mcginn, doig and nisbet are the worst offenders for me, all been offering nothing for far too long, although doig can be cut slack due to his inexperience.

On the other hand, though, we have guys like stevenson, wright, gogic and scott, all players who would get significant game time at other teams in the league, waiting for a chance and he has refused to use them. How can we bemoan squad depth when we have squad players, who have been fit the whole season, with only a handful of minutes between them?

I can't see him being sacked before the final but we will surely see a number of changes at the weekend. With the final coming up maybe some of the fringe players will seize a chance to get a place in the team.

[MWHIBBIES]

How many weeks have we been saying “no reason we can’t turn this round?” now. We can’t keep doing the same thing and expecting different results

Is there a reason we cannot turn this around?

[Sir David Gray]

Don't think we'll even be bottom 6, more than half the season to go. No reason we cant turn things around. There are easily 6 sides worse than us.

At the moment I can't think of 6 sides that are worse than us - never mind easily.

Over the last 10 games we're bottom of the table with just 7 points from a possible 30.

That's relegation material and there's no indication that it's coming to an end any time soon.

[The Modfather]

I don’t think too many will be bothered - as long as we do well in the cups the league form doesn’t matter. Sure I read that recently.

Your snide “that can’t be right I read on here that..” patter is becoming tiresome. There’s lots of constructive debate being had, join in.

[B.H.F.C]

Is there a reason we cannot turn this around?

What is there to suggest we will other than blind hope?

[ArmadaleHibs]

Don't think we'll even be bottom 6, more than half the season to go. No reason we cant turn things around. There are easily 6 sides worse than us.

There where 6 sides worse than us. Except for st Johnstone the rest of them
Have taken points from us. We go to st mirren Saturday. If they take anything from us then ffs we are in a dog fight. Aberdeen couldn’t win for toffee, along we come and hand them a win. Ross county huffed puffed but couldn’t win, we come along and hey presto. Livi couldn’t beat a dusty rug, we come along and it’s a bloody shambles. St mirren haven’t won in 8, here we come.

We are a bloody shambles. Crowds dwindling, in fighting on social media, players can’t kick a baw to each other. We’re turning into a bit of a joke. People need to wake up and realise JR has lost the players

[Stuart93]

Is there a reason we cannot turn this around?

For me the manager. We’ve been trying to turn this round for the last 9 games.

[ABZHFC]

I think we should all be made to come together and set out exactly what we want from our manager

If it's playing attractive, stylish, attacking football, then fair enough, Ross is not meeting that criteria and hasn't for some time now

If it's challenging towards the top end of the table, well in general he has been doing so since arriving at Hibs (or in the case of his first season, improving on the mess he inherited)

If it's getting us to Hampden in the cups, he has done that more consistently than any other Hibs manager in recent times

So if people's complaints are that the style of football is poor and he's dull and uninspiring, then maybe in the long term that is something Hibs should look at. But to me, sacking him after his first run of seriously bad form since joining us over two years ago is an utter nonsense, and really does sum up the state of modern football fans nowadays

[tamig]

How do club prepare for the transfer window though? As far as I'm aware we do not have a recruitment team identifying and negotiating for players anymore. Looks like we have reverted back to manager says who he wants and then CEO or someone like that then takes over the transfer dealings and contractual negotiations. Means if Jack Ross stays until January and he doesn't turn this round, our season could be well and truly destroyed. Getting rid of a manager during a transfer window without a robust recruitment team in place would be asking for trouble (as if we needed more). If he didn't turn it round by January and left then, leaving us without a manger, without an actionable plan in the transfer window, with a squad with horrendous morale...I could see us being well and truly in relegation fight, if not strong contender for favourite.

Very difficult to stay and turn this round now as the chorus of "Sacked in the morning" becomes more vocal every week we lose. Confidence is shot and our players seem determined to get suspended now so wins are increasingly less likely. We may need an emergency loan to get a defence for our next match...
What do you think a robust recruitment team does? We still have a team who identify players. The only thing that’s changed is the guy tasked with sealing the deal. Where do you think we have a gap?

[Stuart93]

What is there to suggest we will other than blind hope?

Seems he’s went away composed himself after he’s said JR should probably be sacked & is back to being uberfan again, it’s complete nonsense.

There’s absolutely nothing to suggest this can be turned round and if so why’s it not happened yet

[Danderhall Hibs]

Your snide “that can’t be right I read on here that..” patter is becoming tiresome. There’s lots of constructive debate being had, join in.

It’s not intended to be snide - just bringing up a point made by many last season - cups matter more than the league.

I admit I found it tiresome when I kept reading it as I made the point that I’d Davidson was our manager he wouldn’t have survived to win the cups as his league form would’ve caused him to get sacked.

Just making these points as I am also struggling to defend Ross after that. Although the players have to take a look at themselves.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Is there a reason we cannot turn this around?

A paper thin squad that is experiencing a terrible run of results. I don't think we'll go down, but it isn't unthinkable at this point. We are two points ahead of St Mirren, four ahead of Dundee, our next two opponents.

[The Modfather]

I think we should all be made to come together and set out exactly what we want from our manager

If it's playing attractive, stylish, attacking football, then fair enough, Ross is not meeting that criteria and hasn't for some time now

If it's challenging towards the top end of the table, well in general he has been doing so since arriving at Hibs (or in the case of his first season, improving on the mess he inherited)

If it's getting us to Hampden in the cups, he has done that more consistently than any other Hibs manager in recent times

So if people's complaints are that the style of football is poor and he's dull and uninspiring, then maybe in the long term that is something Hibs should look at. But to me, sacking him after his first run of seriously bad form since joining us over two years ago is an utter nonsense, and really does sum up the state of modern football fans nowadays

People will want different things from a manager, and that’s fine. Some only care about results, others care more about how enjoyable the game is. Both of which are fair views to have but unrealistic to regularly deliver both at our level. Attendances are probably the best mid-long term metric of gauging how a support feels about managers IMO.

[ABZHFC]

People will want different things from a manager, and that’s fine. Some only care about results, others care more about how enjoyable the game is. Both of which are fair views to have but unrealistic to regularly deliver both at our level. Attendances are probably the best mid-long term metric of gauging how a support feels about managers IMO.

And ticket prices, which are extortionately high. I think that is another thing which, although out Ross' control, has fed in to a generally fed up atmosphere at Easter Road, and made even the first few games back after lockdown feel bittersweet (charging £25 a ticket for Arsenal in a friendly game comes to mind)

[The Harp Awakes]

Have never been a big fan of JR from the start, as I didn't think he was the right fit for us in terms of both football style and personality; negative, dull and uninspiring.

He does deserve credit though for the 3rd place finish last season and for getting us to the Cup Finals, but it now looks like the majority of fans, and more importantly the players, have lost confidence in him. Poor recruitment is certainly a factor in the slump, but there's clearly a problem with the players mentality as well, when you contrast the performance in the Cup Semi Final against the Rangers, with the insipid, canny be bothered attitude of the players in the majority of league games in recent months. They look like they lack belief and inspiration and as soon as something goes against them, they crumble.

Has Ross got the motivational skills to turn things around? I really can't see it, but that's the question Ron Gordon has to ask himself along with how long does he give him.

[madhatter]

What do you think a robust recruitment team does? We still have a team who identify players. The only thing that’s changed is the guy tasked with sealing the deal. Where do you think we have a gap?

Did we sack the recruitment team from Heckys time? Or have they just started using a St Mirren, St Johnstone or Hamilton filter now? We were supposed to have a head coach who is primarily responsible for coaching and setting out the team. We've flipped back to the manager model and hence recruitment team are largely pointless. Manager will say who he likes (most likely player in same league - for us with our Scottish manager history) and CEO will negotiate deal.

Don't need a recruitment team to identify McGrath and McCart. Certainly don't need one if St Mirren are going to ve used as a feeder club.

[Jim44]

Is there a reason we cannot turn this around?

Yes. We are a group of fairly talented players, who, for some reason can not consistently gel, and are unable to win games, except for the odd, out of the blue fluke. Ross can’t be held responsible for heat of the moment incidents, but he has to shoulder the blame for the trend we are in. Ross will not turn this round and, despite having stuck by him till now, I think he has to be sacked as soon as possible. Having said that, I have no confidence that the next guy will turn this downward spiral around.

[BoyledEgg]

Yawn. Yes. Quite easily too. Sacking managers because they lose a few games on the spin is not a viable strategy for a football club to run on.

The modern football supporter is boring and erratic in equal measure.

Paul Heckingbottom was neither a genius when he won a bunch of games nor was he a terrible football manager when didn't win a bunch of games.

Football is more nuanced than that and Hibs fans' desperation to be the first to identify a new manager as a "fraud" is one of the worst things about us as a support.

Sometimes I don't think we deserve success. And let's make no bones about it, going purely off of history and average finishes in Hibs' 140+ years, 3rd place and two cup finals in the space of two years is categorically a success.

Don't like that fact? Maybe go down the M8 and find a club who wins all the time. :aok:

I don’t think it’s too much to ask to be winning games against teams like Livingston and Ross County, one was 11th when we played them, the other is still 12th.

[Crab apple]

It’s not intended to be snide - just bringing up a point made by many last season - cups matter more than the league.

I admit I found it tiresome when I kept reading it as I made the point that I’d Davidson was our manager he wouldn’t have survived to win the cups as his league form would’ve caused him to get sacked.

Just making these points as I am also struggling to defend Ross after that. Although the players have to take a look at themselves.

I think there were quite a few people questioning JR's big game record after the cup final, me included. IIRC you questioned this. Getting into the LC final has helped that. But we're now rightly getting into questioning JR's any game record. Seven defeats from nine is dire form. The winter break and transfer window can't come quick enough.

[tamig]

Did we sack the recruitment team from Heckys time? Or have they just started using a St Mirren, St Johnstone or Hamilton filter now? We were supposed to have a head coach who is primarily responsible for coaching and setting out the team. We've flipped back to the manager model and hence recruitment team are largely pointless. Manager will say who he likes (most likely player in same league - for us with our Scottish manager history) and CEO will negotiate deal.

Don't need a recruitment team to identify McGrath and McCart. Certainly don't need one if St Mirren are going to ve used as a feeder club.

The manager/head coach will always have the final say. We’ve never had a model where players have been signed without the manager’s blessing. The recruitment guys come up with recommendations - plenty of them. It’s up to the manager if he wants them signed though.

[007]

How do club prepare for the transfer window though? As far as I'm aware we do not have a recruitment team identifying and negotiating for players anymore. Looks like we have reverted back to manager says who he wants and then CEO or someone like that then takes over the transfer dealings and contractual negotiations. Means if Jack Ross stays until January and he doesn't turn this round, our season could be well and truly destroyed. Getting rid of a manager during a transfer window without a robust recruitment team in place would be asking for trouble (as if we needed more). If he didn't turn it round by January and left then, leaving us without a manger, without an actionable plan in the transfer window, with a squad with horrendous morale...I could see us being well and truly in relegation fight, if not strong contender for favourite.

Very difficult to stay and turn this round now as the chorus of "Sacked in the morning" becomes more vocal every week we lose. Confidence is shot and our players seem determined to get suspended now so wins are increasingly less likely. We may need an emergency loan to get a defence for our next match...

Did we sack the whole recruitment team too? I thought it was just Mathie.

Premiership teams aren't allowed to do emergency loans so if we wanted to bring in any players right now it would need to be a free agent.

[Crab apple]

Yes. We are a group of fairly talented players, who, for some reason can not consistently gel, and are unable to win games, except for the odd, out of the blue fluke. Ross can’t be held responsible for heat of the moment incidents, but he has to shoulder the blame for the trend we are in. Ross will not turn this round and, despite having stuck by him till now, I think he has to be sacked as soon as possible. Having said that, I have no confidence that the next guy will turn this downward spiral around.

Difficult to argue with this analysis Jim. I think he'll get the winter transfer window and after that if things don't improve he'll be sacked.

[Carheenlea]

At the moment I can't think of 6 sides that are worse than us - never mind easily.

Over the last 10 games we're bottom of the table with just 7 points from a possible 30.

That's relegation material and there's no indication that it's coming to an end any time soon.

We’ve seen this scenario before and it rarely ends well. The stats and form (last 10) are alarming while we started pretty well tonight and players had a bit of confidence and spark to the play, that quickly evaporated with loss of goal coupled with penalty miss. Confidence was suddenly shot and it was painful to watch.

With that form the confidence in the players, and support is so fragile and such situations are always very difficult to address without a change, be that in player personnel or manager. Ploughing in with what we have could just see us sink deeper into the mire.

[madhatter]

The manager/head coach will always have the final say. We’ve never had a model where players have been signed without the manager’s blessing. The recruitment guys come up with recommendations - plenty of them. It’s up to the manager if he wants them signed though.

So, is our poorly balanced squad Jack Ross' fault then?

[Heisenberg]

Difficult to argue with this analysis Jim. I think he'll get the winter transfer window and after that if things don't improve he'll be sacked.

I was of the opinion that he’d get January but now thinking that might be too risky given our current run. Definitely don’t see him going before the final.

[MWHIBBIES]

At the moment I can't think of 6 sides that are worse than us - never mind easily.

Over the last 10 games we're bottom of the table with just 7 points from a possible 30.

That's relegation material and there's no indication that it's coming to an end any time soon.


What is there to suggest we will other than blind hope?

Well, unless you think we'll continue this form for 22 more games, then it will be turned around. Players of the quality we have wont continue to be this bad for much longer. We had a similar run under Lennon and hecky turned it round. Then a similar run under Hecky and Ross turned it round. Bad form comes to an end for all clubs. We'll win 4 or 5 games in a row later in the season and folk will be talking about Europe. Thats football.


For me the manager. We’ve been trying to turn this round for the last 9 games.

And if it continues, he'll be binned.

[WhileTheChief..]

You could count on one hand the number of times we've won league 5 games on the bounce.

Think of all the 'next 5 games' threads. We never win them all!

[madhatter]

Did we sack the whole recruitment team too? I thought it was just Mathie.

Premiership teams aren't allowed to do emergency loans so if we wanted to bring in any players right now it would need to be a free agent.

Who is heading up the recruitment department if Mathie is gone? Gordon's son? Have no idea how this works now.

I don't like managers having total control over the players that come in. Happy for final say but they should have to justify the signing and I'm sceptical if it ever reaches any sort of critique. Seems its almost a case of list being delivered to manager and then he puts 1,2,3 beside his favoured choices then club money gets used...

We've had terrible players end up at Hibs and have 2.5 year contracts due to this type of model. Manager is sacked in 12 months and next manager wants rid of dud(s).

[The 90+2]

I expect tomorrow will bring Hibs twitter announcing a new 3 year deal for Drey Wright and a new sponsorship deal with Islamic State.

Would be par for the course right now.


Thanks mate. Made me laugh tonight. :greengrin

[The 90+2]

I’d genuinely have Noel Edmonds as manager over Ross right now.


Blobby Williamson as assistant?

[The 90+2]

So, is our poorly balanced squad Jack Ross' fault then?


Yes.

[Unseen work]

I’m one of Ross’ biggest fans but I’m just at a complete loss at the moment.

Our current form is beyond brutal however we’ve been a bit unlucky in some game and since the international break our performances have been pretty good.

Tonight though, wow. Absolutely brutal. The second half was embarrassing and you would never know we were the team chasing the game, at no point did we look like scoring.

The only sympathy I have with Ross is that our squad is so thin, we’ve such a lack of options. But what happened to grinding out results or being tough to beat?

How about we mix it up and shove in a Gogic? We need to pick up points and quick.

James Scott was brilliant for Motherwell, can we get that back?

I do think Ross is a good manager and in January I think he would strengthen us and we’d kick on.

Whether he makes January is another thing, if things don’t improve by the cup final and we lose it then he can’t last much longer as much as I like him.

4 points from 27 in the league.

At what point does form turn into reality?

[St.Kristopher]

I think we should all be made to come together and set out exactly what we want from our manager

If it's playing attractive, stylish, attacking football, then fair enough, Ross is not meeting that criteria and hasn't for some time now

If it's challenging towards the top end of the table, well in general he has been doing so since arriving at Hibs (or in the case of his first season, improving on the mess he inherited)

If it's getting us to Hampden in the cups, he has done that more consistently than any other Hibs manager in recent times

So if people's complaints are that the style of football is poor and he's dull and uninspiring, then maybe in the long term that is something Hibs should look at. But to me, sacking him after his first run of seriously bad form since joining us over two years ago is an utter nonsense, and really does sum up the state of modern football fans nowadays

Good post. I was there tonight with much hope. I don’t think it is unfounded hope as when the team plays we can dismantle any team in the league. It just seems such fine margins between winning by 3 or 4, or losing. While I think his tactics are well reasoned, we don’t have the team to achieve it at present. That may not be his fault but we do have a team that can/should be winning game like tonight.

I still think he is the right manager. However for that to be true he needs to take the shackles off. Porto did this off his own back at near the end and the support responded, that is exactly what we want (unfortunately I think he injured himself in the process on that pitch).

When Hecky moved on we seemed to have more freedom about our play. Recently whether it’s down to a lack of personnel or a fixture pile up, we seem to be in protective mode and are now a cagey team that is far to patient.

Last roll of the dice for me, if he doesn’t allow the guys to go out and express themselves (£100 wage deduction for every back pass😉), I think we need to move on. If it happens I will probably be more disappointed than any other change of management in my time a fan; really thought he had it.

[Sir David Gray]

Well, unless you think we'll continue this form for 22 more games, then it will be turned around. Players of the quality we have wont continue to be this bad for much longer. We had a similar run under Lennon and hecky turned it round. Then a similar run under Hecky and Ross turned it round. Bad form comes to an end for all clubs. We'll win 4 or 5 games in a row later in the season and folk will be talking about Europe. Thats football.



And if it continues, he'll be binned.

I like your optimism but I don't think there's any danger of us qualifying for Europe unless we somehow win the Scottish Cup.

Incidentally after 16 games in season 13/14 we only had two fewer points than we've managed this season and were also sitting 7th at this stage. We also finished our 16th game of the season on a run of 1 win in 9 league games. The similarities are quite stark and we all know how that ended up.

[MWHIBBIES]

I like your optimism but I don't think there's any danger of us qualifying for Europe unless we somehow win the Scottish Cup.

Incidentally after 16 games in season 13/14 we only had two fewer points than we've managed this season and were also sitting 7th at this stage. We also finished our 16th game of the season on a run of 1 win in 9 league games. The similarities are quite stark and we all know how that ended up.

The main difference is the only important one, this squad is better in every position.

A lot will happen over the next 22 games.

[SeanWilson]

I think we should all be made to come together and set out exactly what we want from our manager

If it's playing attractive, stylish, attacking football, then fair enough, Ross is not meeting that criteria and hasn't for some time now

If it's challenging towards the top end of the table, well in general he has been doing so since arriving at Hibs (or in the case of his first season, improving on the mess he inherited)

If it's getting us to Hampden in the cups, he has done that more consistently than any other Hibs manager in recent times

So if people's complaints are that the style of football is poor and he's dull and uninspiring, then maybe in the long term that is something Hibs should look at. But to me, sacking him after his first run of seriously bad form since joining us over two years ago is an utter nonsense, and really does sum up the state of modern football fans nowadays

We’ve flattered to deceive since his appointment. The football has been guff more often than not.

[Ozyhibby]

It’s getting harder to defend him obviously but I think he should get another window.
We have a squad full of deadwood.
Gogic, Hallberg, Mackie, Mackay, Gullan, Wright and Allan all know their days are numbered at the club. Ross only plays any of them if he has to.
Macgennis and Murphy are almost permanently injured.
McGregor should have retired 2 years ago.
I’ve no idea if Wood and Scott are even still at the club.
From what is a very small squad, that is a lot of players where we are getting very little in return.
Personally I would not keep any of the players above. It’s up to the club to back Ross in sorting that situation.


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[Sir David Gray]

The main difference is the only important one, this squad is better in every position.

A lot will happen over the next 22 games.

I don't disagree that it's better on paper.

The stats don't lie though. I personally don't see much improvement happening before the January window and we've still got 5 league games left before then which takes us to 21 league games played.

We could be in serious trouble by then - then we have the derby...

[Sir David Gray]

It’s getting harder to defend him obviously but I think he should get another window.
We have a squad full of deadwood.
Gogic, Hallberg, Mackie, Mackay, Gullan, Wright and Allan all know their days are numbered at the club. Ross only plays any of them if he has to.
Macgennis and Murphy are almost permanently injured.
McGregor should have retired 2 years ago.
I’ve no idea if Wood and Scott are even still at the club.
From what is a very small squad, that is a lot of players where we are getting very little in return.
Personally I would not keep any of the players above. It’s up to the club to back Ross in sorting that situation.


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Wood's loan was ended a couple of weeks ago.

[MWHIBBIES]

I don't disagree that it's better on paper.

The stats don't lie though. I personally don't see much improvement happening before the January window and we've still got 5 league games left before then which takes us to 21 league games played.

We could be in serious trouble by then - then we have the derby...

Come on mate. Go and have a look at that squad. Its better in every way, not just on paper.

We will not be in any trouble. At worst we'll just have a meh poor season. Which is bad enough.

[Sir David Gray]

Come on mate. Go and have a look at that squad. Its better in every way, not just on paper.

We will not be in any trouble. At worst we'll just have a meh poor season. Which is bad enough.

The reason I'm saying on paper is because that's all it is until we actually see that more talented squad churning out the results which are deserving of such a tag.

I sincerely hope you're proved correct but I am really worried about us at the moment. Last night shocked me if I'm quite honest. I really expected us to win and we were nowhere near it.

[The 90+2]

Come on mate. Go and have a look at that squad. Its better in every way, not just on paper.

We will not be in any trouble. At worst we'll just have a meh poor season. Which is bad enough.


We are not playing as a team. We are playing a load of ***** with no ideas and only winning when individual performances help.

Livi' played as a team tonight, a game plan, knew what to do. No point having a no bad squad when nobody is playing for each other, in any direction or for the manager.

Livingston, like Motherwell on Saturday play as better teams as us. Like Ross County did and so on.

We have individuals in our squad capable on their day of magic but consistently now it's never a team playing in any sort of shape.

[Callum_62]

We’ve flattered to deceive since his appointment. The football has been guff more often than not.3rd place is flattering to deceive?

We need some more of that flattering to deceive this season!

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[Turkish Green]

Strikers is fine, defence is fine. There is no direction from midfield. Is this Ross's or club's fault. It needs fixed and I am not sure Ross is our man. January is still weeks away.

[SMAXXA]

It’s getting harder to defend him obviously but I think he should get another window.
We have a squad full of deadwood.
Gogic, Hallberg, Mackie, Mackay, Gullan, Wright and Allan all know their days are numbered at the club. Ross only plays any of them if he has to.
Macgennis and Murphy are almost permanently injured.
McGregor should have retired 2 years ago.
I’ve no idea if Wood and Scott are even still at the club.
From what is a very small squad, that is a lot of players where we are getting very little in return.
Personally I would not keep any of the players above. It’s up to the club to back Ross in sorting that situation.


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Mackay? We only signed him this year and he’s a young lad who’s been injured and stepping up a level give him a chance. Far to early to say you would let him go 🙈

[erin go bragh]

The main difference is the only important one, this squad is better in every position.

A lot will happen over the next 22 games.

One win and one draw in nine league games is relegation form and after watching last night’s display, who do we look like beating.

[Allant1981]

Im still backimg the manager(at the moment) that team that was sent out last noght was more than capable of beating livingston, it was pretty close to our best team, only slight change id have made was go with 2 up top but even still, the players are 100% to blame for an absolute horror show as soon as the goal went in

[neil7908]

We are absolutely not too good to go down. Yes the squad has talent, but much betters teams than us have been relegated. I think that JRs time is up imo but I suspect he'll get to the final.

We really need to win our next 2 games though, or an absolute minimum of 4 points. If we can't do that, I'm not sure how anyone could still stand by him.

Oh and if we play like last night in the final we're going to get an absolute doing.

[Dmas]

Im still backimg the manager(at the moment) that team that was sent out last noght was more than capable of beating livingston, it was pretty close to our best team, only slight change id have made was go with 2 up top but even still, the players are 100% to blame for an absolute horror show as soon as the goal went in

It’s the managers job to see that and change something to counter it, he threw 2 men on and played the same way…..Allan at left wing do me a favour, why not go to 3-5-2 and play him behind the front 2, Boyle and doig wing back and give them something to think about, even with Porto coming off with 5-10mins to
go..Daz on what are we doing keeping the score down? get Scott on why’s he on the bench if he can’t play we need a goal that guy is sitting there, get him on and send the ball forward at every opportunity, if he’s not to be trusted stop stripping the bloke give the place to a young guy who is fit and hungry for it

So much wrong yesterday and for the first time I got the impression the players had chucked it

[SON OF PADDY]

I feel for him.

With qualifications he did a good job last year and there was a good platform to build from and kick on. For whatever reason and whoever is to blame that didn’t happen this summer. He was calling it out very early on even when some fans were still suggesting it had been a good window. A manager calling out the club publicly is always telling. He has since lost arguably our best performer this season to injury, lost our best striker to injury and had the covid situation to deal with. If nothing else no one can argue Ross has been coasting on easy street since he has been here.

However I can’t accept he shouldn’t be getting more from this squad than he is. This current crisis, and it is a crisis now, has gone on for too long and doesn’t look like ending anytime soon. The total collapse tonight was just horrific to watch and whilst the players have to shoulder a big chunk of the responsibility, so does Ross.

I’d genuinely be saddened to see him go and I could probably put together a case to give him more time but there would be an element of defending the indefensible about it. If we haven’t reached the point of no return we are approaching it.


Excellent post PB 👍
It saddens me to say,but he must be on his way!

[Hibernia&Alba]

I expect him to be given the next couple of games before the cup final. I could be wrong, but I don't think he'll be sacked just yet. If we don't win either of the next two, the board would have a big dilemma ahead of the final.

[greenlex]

He’s got till the break. That was really poor last night. A must win and it was garbage. Decent enough till they scored and then after the penalty miss we had nothing. Absolutely nothing. I thought after the half time changes we actually got worse. WTF has got into these players???? Results needs turning round and now. That performance was just not good enough.

[Libby Hibby]

I expect him to be given the next couple of games before the cup final. I could be wrong, but I don't think he'll be sacked just yet. If we don't win either of the next two, the board would have a big dilemma ahead of the final.

Why though? What harm would it do going into the final with a fresh face in charge? Perhaps it might spur the squad in the games prior to the 19th to give us some much needed points.

[Crunchie]

I've always seen the long term manager stability thing as a bit of a myth at Hibs to be honest.

Any manager performing well at Hibs will be off at the hint of a decent job down south. Jack Ross would be the same. Loyalty works two ways

The fans are certainly showing their loyalty here eh? I hope Ron has a big pair of cahonas and doesn’t listen to the over dramatic drama queens in our support. The man deserves to be backed. We have the kind of support who’ll be singing his name if we win the cup, just like we did with Alex Miller, then calling for his head at the next league defeat.

[Tambo]

Can already feel how Saturday will go. Come out playing some ok stuff then go a goal behind then have no clue what to do.

[The Modfather]

The fans are certainly showing their loyalty here eh? I hope Ron has a big pair of cahonas and doesn’t listen to the over dramatic drama queens in our support. The man deserves to be backed. We have the kind of support who’ll be singing his name if we win the cup, just like we did with Alex Miller, then calling for his head at the next league defeat.

Do we not simply have a support who call it like it is. Ross deservedly got the praise from the support last season. Now he appears to have lost the majority of the support. That’s simply a reflection on what the support is witnessing over a period of time.

What is it that will be different in January? New players, yes. However how does that address the concerns about his ability to make the most out of what tools he does have available? Why do we struggle to create or score goals? Why do we consistently play 3 defenders, two wingbacks who are defenders, and two deep midfielders. 7 non creative players in all circumstances whether it’s Ibrox or to bottom of the league. Ross has some mitigation from the summer window, but his limitations are also being clearly evidenced IMO. His ability to set up a team to be on the front foot, his ability to get the team creating chances, running the same players into the ground as he won’t or doesn’t know how to adapt the formation to get the best out of the team playing etc.

[B.H.F.C]

The fans are certainly showing their loyalty here eh? I hope Ron has a big pair of cahonas and doesn’t listen to the over dramatic drama queens in our support. The man deserves to be backed. We have the kind of support who’ll be singing his name if we win the cup, just like we did with Alex Miller, then calling for his head at the next league defeat.

Presume you’re one of those who’s not actually parting with your hard earned cash on a weekly basis to be served up with this ***** but wants to tell everybody else it’s all right? Because anyone watching this can see what direction it’s heading. Matter of when, not if he goes now.

You can bet Ron won’t be looking at all the empty seats and thinking ‘ah, they’re just all being drama queens’.

[timewilltell]

The main difference is the only important one, this squad is better in every position.

A lot will happen over the next 22 games.

Honestly, you need to wake up and smell the coffee. I've said this for week's but will repeat.

We are a poor side in a very poor league. Our football is dire.

Keep telling yourself it will all be OK though.

[neil7908]

The fans are certainly showing their loyalty here eh? I hope Ron has a big pair of cahonas and doesn’t listen to the over dramatic drama queens in our support. The man deserves to be backed. We have the kind of support who’ll be singing his name if we win the cup, just like we did with Alex Miller, then calling for his head at the next league defeat.

My loyalty is to Hibs. Why would I be loyal to a manager when, as the post you replied to pointed out, they will be away as soon as a better offer comes along.

[Fergus52]

I feel for him.

With qualifications he did a good job last year and there was a good platform to build from and kick on. For whatever reason and whoever is to blame that didn’t happen this summer. He was calling it out very early on even when some fans were still suggesting it had been a good window. A manager calling out the club publicly is always telling. He has since lost arguably our best performer this season to injury, lost our best striker to injury and had the covid situation to deal with. If nothing else no one can argue Ross has been coasting on easy street since he has been here.

However I can’t accept he shouldn’t be getting more from this squad than he is. This current crisis, and it is a crisis now, has gone on for too long and doesn’t look like ending anytime soon. The total collapse tonight was just horrific to watch and whilst the players have to shoulder a big chunk of the responsibility, so does Ross.

I’d genuinely be saddened to see him go and I could probably put together a case to give him more time but there would be an element of defending the indefensible about it. If we haven’t reached the point of no return we are approaching it.

Pretty much where I'm at too.

I've defended Ross a lot on here, and I personally still wouldn't sack him just yet but I'm not going to argue with anyone who thinks otherwise, wouldn't be particularly bothered if he left now.

The board absolutely has to get the next manager right though, if we have another Yogi to Calderwood, Fenlon to Butcher or Lennon to Hecky scenario then I worry that the club could end up falling way behind Aberdeen and Hearts long term. With the additional income that Scotland's new improved European places will generate for the teams coming third or winning the cup over the next couple of seasons, their financial disparity to us could become even worse, firmly cementing Aberdeen and Hearts and Scotland's second tier of clubs, with us languishing mid table.

[Brightside]

The fans are certainly showing their loyalty here eh? I hope Ron has a big pair of cahonas and doesn’t listen to the over dramatic drama queens in our support. The man deserves to be backed. We have the kind of support who’ll be singing his name if we win the cup, just like we did with Alex Miller, then calling for his head at the next league defeat.

I’ve been very pro Jack. I was even pro Hecky. But we appear to have no plan b. Martindale called out how he was going to play and we let them. That’s beyond me.

[Keith_M]

Ross was criticised for not making early enough substitutions against Rangers and Motherwell, but he did exactly that last night and it made no difference. So whatever the problem is, it clearly isn't fixed just by bringing on our favourite player, or making a roll of the dice with subs.

As well as the lack of imagination in how we play, there seems to be both a lack of squad depth and, more worryingly, a problem with the players mindset.

[Cod Boy]

Ross was criticised for not making early enough substitutions against Rangers and Motherwell, but he did exactly that last night and it made no difference. So whatever the problem is, it clearly isn't fixed just by bringing on our favourite player, or making a roll of the dice with subs.

As well as the lack of imagination in how we play, there seems to be both a lack of squad depth and, more worryingly, a problem with the players mindset.

It might have helped if played Allan in his natural position instead of playing him left midfield

[Steven79]

It might have helped if played Allan in his natural position instead of playing him left midfieldWhen then previous manager played him on the right it was the end of him...

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[Winston Ingram]

I’ve been very pro Jack. I was even pro Hecky. But we appear to have no plan b. Martindale called out how he was going to play and we let them. That’s beyond me.

It was the same v St Johnstone in the 2nd half of last season. Played the same way in the 2 games before the Cup Final and never laid a glove on them. So he changed nothing and never laid a glove on them. Tactically, he and his management team are clueless.

The alarm bells started ringing for me in the derby just before COVID. Everyone was battering Hearts by simply playing the ball over the top. What did he do? Stick our pace 50 yards away from their backline at right wing-back and we couldn't get out. Did he change it? No.

Then was there defeat at home to the sheep at the start of last season. 2nd half he was changing formation every 5 minutes. I think Drey Wright played 5 positions in that game.

IMO we only finished 3rd cos Aberdeen were rotten and Hearts weren't in the division. We've got a very good squad of players who are getting hindered by him not helped.

[Since90+2]

He'll get to the winter break. If he wins the league cup then a couple of games before the break, he'll quite rightly, be given the break to kick on.

He's not going to be sacked in December so the best thing the fans can do is continue to support the team over the next few weeks.

[SlickShoes]

Can already feel how Saturday will go. Come out playing some ok stuff then go a goal behind then have no clue what to do.

Reminds me of the relegation season where we’d go into every game thinking that this is the one where we turn it around, and it never was because something happen to derail any tiny bit of positivity or momentum we had.

[Steven79]

It was the same v St Johnstone in the 2nd half of last season. Played the same way in the 2 games before the Cup Final and never laid a glove on them. So he changed nothing and never laid a glove on them. Tactically, he and his management team are clueless.

The alarm bells started ringing for me in the derby just before COVID. Everyone was battering Hearts by simply playing the ball over the top. What did he do? Stick our pace 50 yards away from their backline at right wing-back and we couldn't get out. Did he change it? No.

Then was there defeat at home to the sheep. 2nd half he was changing formation every 5 minutes. I think Drey Wright played 5 positions in that game.

IMO we only finished 3rd cos Aberdeen were rotten and Hearts weren't in the division. We've got a very good squad of players who are getting hindered by him not helped.

Yep before the final I felt that if they scored first then we were done for and sadly it proved to be the case.

We are so easy and predictable to play against and his lack a plan b rather than just throw on the same players every time is obvious.

I would love to be the manager of a team playing this Jack Ross team.

Also I totally agree that we only managed third because of how **** everyone else was rather than how good we were as it wasn't that great last season at all.

Watching that Lennon team in the second half of that season that we finished 4th was far more exciting and a far better team than we have presently.



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[Steven79]

He'll get to the winter break. If he wins the league cup then a couple of games before the break, he'll quite rightly, be given the break to kick on.

He's not going to be sacked in December so the best thing the fans can do is continue to support the team over the next few weeks.The team right now don't deserve support as they look like they can't be arsed.

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[Keith_M]

He'll get to the winter break. If he wins the league cup then a couple of games before the break, he'll quite rightly, be given the break to kick on.

He's not going to be sacked in December so the best thing the fans can do is continue to support the team over the next few weeks.



You should have waited a few minutes before you posted that

:wink:

[Steven79]

You should have waited a few minutes before you posted that

:wink:[emoji23]

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[Since90+2]

You should have waited a few minutes before you posted that

:wink:

Never seen that coming.

[Coco Bryce]

He'll get to the winter break. If he wins the league cup then a couple of games before the break, he'll quite rightly, be given the break to kick on.

He's not going to be sacked in December so the best thing the fans can do is continue to support the team over the next few weeks.

:greengrin

[Hibernian Verse]

Hope this doesn't mean we have a trigger happy Romanov type in charge

[delbert]

Thankfully no need to defend this charlatan now, guiser of a manager and delighted he has gone

[Keith_M]

Never seen that coming.


TBH, I was surprised as well, mate.


Oh well, time to move on


:aok:

[B.H.F.C]

Hope this doesn't mean we have a trigger happy Romanov type in charge

He’s given him two years.

[Smartie]

Hope this doesn't mean we have a trigger happy Romanov type in charge

That’s a concern tbf.

A club owner needs to have more at their disposal to improve performance than giving someone the bullet whenever the going gets tough.

[Coco Bryce]

Hope this doesn't mean we have a trigger happy Romanov type in charge

Hardly. He's had two years.

Also he's resigned not sacked according to early reports.

[Hibernian Verse]

Hardly. He's had two years.

Also he's resigned sacked according to early reports.

I was only joking...

[Jones28]

I think we can punt this thread now.

[SHODAN]

Congrats, you got what you wanted. How long does the new manager get before an identical thread goes up?

[Keith_M]

Hardly. He's had two years.

Also he's resigned according to early reports.


Most reports are saying resigned

[SlickShoes]

Congrats, you got what you wanted. How long does the new manager get before an identical thread goes up?

2 weeks or less, depending on results and if people just irrationally already hate him before he's had a chance to do anything.

[Stuart93]

Congrats, you got what you wanted. How long does the new manager get before an identical thread goes up?

Come off it eh. Our opinions on the manager in this message board had **** all to do with his sacking.

If the new manager goes on a run like we’re on he’ll also be questioned

[Heisenberg]

Congrats, you got what you wanted. How long does the new manager get before an identical thread goes up?

Pretty poor comment tbf. Disagreed with a lot of the criticism Ross got last season and some even at the beginning of this bad run but he showed no signs of being able to get this team playing again. He’s had two years and we’re basically back to where we were when he came in.

[GreenCastle]

Using Scott Allan is the super saver sub is just getting beyond ridiculous- can you imagine how he feels being brought on to try save the game (the manager’s job) nearly every other week.

Also remember Ross brought in John Potter and Craig Samson as coaches plus he recommend Steve Kean for the Academy.

I’m not in the Ross must go now camp but he is really making an absolute mess of the team.

My bigger concern is what’s happened alongside side his role.

Our recruitment and the fact we changed the structure with Mathie leaving. If Ross or Ben leaves then we will be starting from scratch for targets. Ok will have a few guys within recruitment recommending players but feels like we have taken a step backwards to save wages.

It feels like we have been here before and fans have predicted what’s going to happen and then it happens.

The next month will tell us a lot about the direction of the team and club - we have some very important games plus the transfer window to sort out the mess we are in. Am I confident things will change no. But I’m curious to see how they will try and fix the obvious problems of a thin squad with too many similar players.

The Rangers semi win was Ross best win - if he didn’t win that he would be under more pressure.

Win the cup final and that’s massive plus gives him more time in the bank…but feels it’s very like last season and we won’t learn how to deal with Celtic (replace for St Johnstone).

Lose the cup final and derby and I see no way back.

But will the club change manager in January in this situation who just signed new contract - who they have backed plus mid way through a transfer window.

He’s under performing in the league - below clubs target of top 4. This looks out of sight now.

He’s hit the clubs cup target of a final / winning a semi final.

The club will be looking at these performance indicators surely.

[Jones28]

Using Scott Allan is the super saver sub is just getting beyond ridiculous- can you imagine how he feels being brought on to try save the game (the manager’s job) nearly every other week.

Also remember Ross brought in John Potter and Craig Samson as coaches plus he recommend Steve Kean for the Academy.

I’m not in the Ross must go now camp but he is really making an absolute mess of the team.

My bigger concern is what’s happened alongside side his role.

Our recruitment and the fact we changed the structure with Mathie leaving. If Ross or Ben leaves then we will be starting from scratch for targets. Ok will have a few guys within recruitment recommending players but feels like we have taken a step backwards to save wages.

It feels like we have been here before and fans have predicted what’s going to happen and then it happens.

The next month will tell us a lot about the direction of the team and club - we have some very important games plus the transfer window to sort out the mess we are in. Am I confident things will change no. But I’m curious to see how they will try and fix the obvious problems of a thin squad with too many similar players.

The Rangers semi win was Ross best win - if he didn’t win that he would be under more pressure.

Win the cup final and that’s massive plus gives him more time in the bank…but feels it’s very like last season and we won’t learn how to deal with Celtic (replace for St Johnstone).

Lose the cup final and derby and I see no way back.

But will the club change manager in January in this situation who just signed new contract - who they have backed plus mid way through a transfer window.

He’s under performing in the league - below clubs target of top 4. This looks out of sight now.

He’s hit the clubs cup target of a final / winning a semi final.

The club will be looking at these performance indicators surely.


I think you might have missed something this morning...

[Steven79]

I think you might have missed something this morning...[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

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[Callum_62]

Using Scott Allan is the super saver sub is just getting beyond ridiculous- can you imagine how he feels being brought on to try save the game (the manager’s job) nearly every other week.

Also remember Ross brought in John Potter and Craig Samson as coaches plus he recommend Steve Kean for the Academy.

I’m not in the Ross must go now camp but he is really making an absolute mess of the team.

My bigger concern is what’s happened alongside side his role.

Our recruitment and the fact we changed the structure with Mathie leaving. If Ross or Ben leaves then we will be starting from scratch for targets. Ok will have a few guys within recruitment recommending players but feels like we have taken a step backwards to save wages.

It feels like we have been here before and fans have predicted what’s going to happen and then it happens.

The next month will tell us a lot about the direction of the team and club - we have some very important games plus the transfer window to sort out the mess we are in. Am I confident things will change no. But I’m curious to see how they will try and fix the obvious problems of a thin squad with too many similar players.

The Rangers semi win was Ross best win - if he didn’t win that he would be under more pressure.

Win the cup final and that’s massive plus gives him more time in the bank…but feels it’s very like last season and we won’t learn how to deal with Celtic (replace for St Johnstone).

Lose the cup final and derby and I see no way back.

But will the club change manager in January in this situation who just signed new contract - who they have backed plus mid way through a transfer window.

He’s under performing in the league - below clubs target of top 4. This looks out of sight now.

He’s hit the clubs cup target of a final / winning a semi final.

The club will be looking at these performance indicators surely.

hes left

So Scott Allan should greet coz hes a sub being brought on?

He needs to make himself undroppable - dont get this 'poor Scott Allan'

He came on last night, gave the ball away pretty much every time he had it, wasted a free kick and missed an absolute sitter

Poor Scott Allan indeed

[B.H.F.C]

Congrats, you got what you wanted. How long does the new manager get before an identical thread goes up?

Wing games, folk happy.

Lose game, in the manner we are, folk no happy.

Shocker eh.

[GreenCastle]

I think you might have missed something this morning...

Haha!

Brilliant - just seen the post.

Could have saved me time typing.

[Jones28]

Haha!

Brilliant - just seen the post.

Could have saved me time typing.


:aok:


FWIW it was a good post, just 12 hours too late :greengrin