Stayaway ST holders

[Carheenlea]

Had nobody round me again this afternoon. 8 seats vacant either side of me but all ST’s, and thousands of other season ticket holders staying at home today.

The worry is that many of those might end up simply not renewing. The option to watch on TV definitely a factor, but ultimately the football on display is not really capturing the imagination of the support.

Stay away fans has to be a concern to the club, but stay away ST holders is maybe a bigger worry long term.

[B.H.F.C]

Same for me. People I go with not going for no other reason than they think it’s pish.

[500miles]

Had nobody round me again this afternoon. 8 seats vacant either side of me but all ST’s, and thousands stying at home today.

The worry is that many of those might end up simply not renewing. The option to watch on TV definitely a factor, but ultimately the football on display is not really capturing the imagination of the support.

Stay away fans has to be a concern to the club, but stay away ST holders is maybe a bigger worry long term.

Circumstances have dictated that I don't fancy risking covid into my home, so I've watched on hibs tv. I have paid for my season ticket though. What's the concern?

[Chorley Hibee]

I'm another season ticket holder, who rarely misses a game home or away, wondering if I can do something else on a Saturday afternoon.

It's soul destroying watching Hibs currently, particularly at Easter Road.

[Sean1875]

Depressing to see, but really can’t blame anyone. I never miss home games, but even I was looking out my window before leaving today and was very very close to just watching it on Hibs TV. Just so hard to get motivated for it just now.


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[Coco Bryce]

Only me and my mate out of 6 of us went today. They chose to stay in the boozer.

[Nicho87]

The football is brutal. Don’t blame anyone not attending currently

As always fans decide with their feet what they think of current regime

It’s been going backwards for a while now

[Nakedmanoncrack]

I wish I'd been a stay away ST holder today! On my own, cold, miserable, and looking forward to getting home & that was before it even kicked off, it was all downhill from there.

[A Hi-Bee]

Only me and my mate out of 6 of us went today. They chose to stay in the boozer.

Funny enough I ended up doing that in the 2nd half of A. Miller being the manager, we just used to stay in the Hibs club listening to Jimmy O telling stories and how he hated Miller, you kind of just drift into not going, so many other things to do on a cold *****y day I guess.
My reason now is that I am hundreds of miles away not even in the country but still thought it important to buy a season ticket.

[Coco Bryce]

Look on the bright side. We won't need covid passports with such small crowds 😏

[Pretty Boy]

It's a worry for sure.

We have their money this season but choosing to stay away now indicates we may not get it next season.

We know how low our 'hardcore' attendance is and today was close to that.

[Lancs Harp]

It's a worry for sure.

We have their money this season but choosing to stay away now indicates we may not get it next season.

We know how low our 'hardcore' attendance is and today was close to that.

If they continue to stay away it also means no additional spend on match days and also IMO says alot that people have bought the "product" but choose not to "use" it.

[Nicho87]

Look on the bright side. We won't need covid passports with such small crowds 😏

Or European passports

[lord bunberry]

I'm another season ticket holder, who rarely misses a game home or away, wondering if I can do something else on a Saturday afternoon.

It's soul destroying watching Hibs currently, particularly at Easter Road.
Soul destroying!!! Ffs do you not think you’re being a bit of a drama queen? I thought it was a decent game today between 2 similarly match teams. Plenty positives to take from todays game imo. The empty seats are definitely a worry though, I needed a megaphone to talk to the nearest person along the aisle from me, normally it’s the same people every week.

[Gerard]

Or European passports

As a ST holder I decided to stay home in a warm environment. I will continue to pick the games I go to until our team gets more better consistent results

[lord bunberry]

Or European passports
You probably wouldn’t have needed it anyway.

[Rumble de Thump]

It was an exciting game. Plenty of chances created, could have gone either way. People still talk of it being brutal, boring to watch etc. It seems like some people have a strong opinion of the team but don't actually watch the games.

[Chorley Hibee]

Soul destroying!!! Ffs do you not think you’re being a bit of a drama queen? I thought it was a decent game today between 2 similarly match teams. Plenty positives to take from todays game imo. The empty seats are definitely a worry though, I needed a megaphone to talk to the nearest person along the aisle from me, normally it’s the same people every week.

Most weeks it's garbage, and whilst today wasn't the worst game I've witnessed, people trying to paint today, and other mediocre performances, as enjoyable are kidding themselves on.

[heid the baw]

Not a lot to get excited about with the current team. Mid table is about right. Too many loose passes and basic errors. Sad to say it but Nisbit is wasted in this side.
Cold days and covid also don't help when it comes to making my decision to stay home. I probably won't renew next season. Somebody compared it to Alex Miller and I reckon that is spot on. It has that feel of being just good enough to stay up whilst looking disinterested in making a genuine challenge

[THESHIP]

Most weeks it's garbage, and whilst today wasn't the worst game I've witnessed, people trying to paint today, and other mediocre performances, as enjoyable are kidding themselves on.

100% agree with this.

[GreenCastle]

The weather was awful and then cleared up but it was still freezing.

The bottom line is that it seems majority seem to want more entertainment from the team. If you don’t get that then their are various other excuses for not attending.

It was nice to see Hibs fans on all 4 sides of stadium but also odd considering the gaps throughout the stands.

[Keith_M]

It must be a bit disappointing for the players coming out to a half empty stadium.

The fans that do attend didn't seem particularly excited either, even when we were ahead.

It wasn't a great game but it wasn't a bad game either, other than the first 20 minutes or so.

[WhileTheChief..]

Neither me nor my dad went today.

Different reasons, buts it’s still 2 empty seats.

[The Captain....]

It's obvious there is a significant problem when so many season ticket holders aren't going. You can't even give away the spares at the moment.

Fwiw I didn't think it was a bad game today, I've seen a lot worse. It was more frustrating than anything. Added to previous home performances it's understandable there is a level of frustration.



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[H18S NX]

It's a mixture of apathy cold weather and covid,imo.

[PolmontHibby]

Apologies if anyone already read this - stuck this on wrong thread - more to do with a few whiskies i hope than age which I sort of make reference to below :confused:

Can only speak for my own group of 8 season ticket holders, but way team is playing got nothing to do with non - attendance (we have seen far worse over the 40+ to 60+ years most of group been going to games).

Of the 8, 4 being the more local/younger ones attending as normal, for the remaining four of us we have been to a total of 5 games between us this season. Three to do with COVID/Health issues, and myself to do with lack of Saturday games/lurgy.

Having said the above, probably not available to us but would be interesting to know how walk ups have fared over time - I am guessing not good, and having so many home games in a short period cannot help. The days of playing every second Saturday are long gone, but i really believe that having a routine of a home game every second Saturday was ideal.

[Leith Green]

Soul destroying!!! Ffs do you not think you’re being a bit of a drama queen? I thought it was a decent game today between 2 similarly match teams. Plenty positives to take from todays game imo. The empty seats are definitely a worry though, I needed a megaphone to talk to the nearest person along the aisle from me, normally it’s the same people every week.

First half we were absolutely honking , played much better 2nd half. We seem to really struggle to get going at home. I dont know if there is cautiousness withon the mindset of the players. Is it down to the manager? All reasonable questions to ask , not quite sure but it certainly looks that way.

Today motherwell could have been 2 or 3 goals up as we rode our luck first half and didnt look an attacking threat prior to our goal. We have been the same in the 1st half of almost every home game all season.

[Hiber-nation]

Again the area around me was half empty. I politely asked a fellow ST holder who's probably been about 4 times this season about not being at some games and his response was "it's boring". Not covid, not the weather, just the experience of watching Hibs at Easter Road. We'll obviously have to be patient as it looks like JR is going nowhere but I wonder how many of these people are going to renew. The January window won't change things all that much.

Yes the 2nd half today was pretty good but it won't bring these fans back, whatever you think of them.

[greenlex]

A run of wins will turn it round. No question.

[hibeerealist]

100% agree with this.

Second that. Seven of us all ST holders (for years) feel the same way and although there were a couple of bright spots today in the main it was pretty grim. The manager seems to get an easy ride on this considering it’s his team and he dictates formations etc yet in the past other managers would be facing the chop.

The manager is the most important position at a football club and I don’t accept that Ross Mathie was solely to blame for the shocker of a summer window, Ross will have been well involved along the way yet escaped any blame.

i might ask him to pick my lottery numbers next week as I am sure if he fell out the windae he would go up the way!!!

[Nicho87]

A run of wins will turn it round. No question.

Wins usually mean happy fans, happy players, happy manager.

It’s the length of time and sudden struggle to get in a winning habit again is the concern.

[Helensburghhibs]

I feel we are missing someone playing off kev up top. When him and doidge were at their best it was mainly down to balls into either one and a one touch layoff to the other. Now when the ball goes in its just not coming off. Hopefully the return of doidge or being able to play someone just behind who can build an understanding will improve us

[JoeT]

Soul destroying!!! Ffs do you not think you’re being a bit of a drama queen? I thought it was a decent game today between 2 similarly match teams. Plenty positives to take from todays game imo. The empty seats are definitely a worry though, I needed a megaphone to talk to the nearest person along the aisle from me, normally it’s the same people every week.

I quite enjoyed the game today. If we'd won 3-1 there'd be little complaints from Motherwell

[B.H.F.C]

Most weeks it's garbage, and whilst today wasn't the worst game I've witnessed, people trying to paint today, and other mediocre performances, as enjoyable are kidding themselves on.

Agree and felt the same on Wednesday night. Like today it wasn’t the worst but I couldn’t believe how pleased some folk were with merely competing. Looking at our line up today, walking in to the ground and seeing the empty seats, the lack of buzz about the place all contribute to a pretty poor ‘match day experience’ that we’ve heard about.

[B.H.F.C]

I quite enjoyed the game today. If we'd won 3-1 there'd be little complaints from Motherwell

There might have been given the chances they’d missed before we scored.

[Crunchie]

A run of wins will turn it round. No question.
Guaranteed mate :aok:, we seem to have a different breed of Hibs fan from back in my day.

[brianmc]

I quite enjoyed the game today. If we'd won 3-1 there'd be little complaints from Motherwell

If Motherwell had gone in at half time 4-1 up WE could've had little complaint!

Our second half performance was better though and we should've comfortably won the game with the chances we had during it.

[Mikey_1875]

It was probably a decent enough watch for a neutral and the radio after the match said as much. For me it was very similar to what we’ve been seeing in large parts of games recently and it was difficult to get excited by.

The attendance today was a shock walking in and there must be some alarm bells ringing in the boardroom even with the 15k “tickets sold” revenue. It could be a tough job getting them back unless we win the cup.

[7heaven]

Guaranteed mate :aok:, we seem to have a different breed of Hibs fan from back in my day.

Thank goodness we got a point.
This would be Armageddon if we had lost.
Get a grip Hibbies and support your team.
Get behind them.

[Hiber-nation]

Guaranteed mate :aok:, we seem to have a different breed of Hibs fan from back in my day.

Not sure what day you are referring to but ER was pretty toxic from about 76-80 from the 4,000 who actually bothered to turn up.

[Rumble de Thump]

If Motherwell had gone in at half time 4-1 up WE could've had little complaint!

Our second half performance was better though and we should've comfortably won the game with the chances we had during it.

If Motherwell had been winning 4-1 at half time surely the complaint would have been why did the ref give Motherwell 4 goals when they hadn't been able score any goals.

[flash]

Guaranteed mate :aok:, we seem to have a different breed of Hibs fan from back in my day.

More fans and less supporters.

[Leith Green]

Thank goodness we got a point.
This would be Armageddon if we had lost.
Get a grip Hibbies and support your team.
Get behind them.



How come someone with an opinion that they are unhappy with our performances or thinks its not good enough needs to get a grip and support the team. I spend an absolute fortune every season taking my laddies to all the games to “support the team” , it doesn’t mean i cant state my opinion that we are pretty poor and more often than not dull to watch.

I really don’t understand how people who view our performances negatively are somehow not supporting the team.

[The Modfather]

More fans and less supporters.

What’s the difference? Can you fluidly transition between them on a game to game basis? Is it better to be a fan or a supporter?

[Crunchie]

Not sure what day you are referring to but ER was pretty toxic from about 76-80 from the 4,000 who actually bothered to turn up.
Sorry I misread your post, I was one of the diehards back then and I wouldn't say the atmosphere was toxic at all, not compared to the fans of today that's for sure.

[hibsmad]

I think it’s a real worry. I’ve no doubt that covid and the recent cold weather will have made an impact on attendances, but anyone thinking these are the main reasons are kidding themselves.

I sit in the south lower and I honestly don’t think I have seen it as poorly attended as it was against Rangers. And that’s not exactly a small game!

I very rarely go to away games but I enjoy watching us on the tv. Opposition teams play into our hands and we can counter, however at ER I am constantly bored and just waiting for the game to end.

Ron Gordon is a business man and he wants the club to grow, which means bums on seats. I think that JR will be given another window to sort things out. However if things don’t turn around (attendances) then I don’t believe he will be in charge next season.

[brianmc]

If Motherwell had been winning 4-1 at half time surely the complaint would have been why did the ref give Motherwell 4 goals when they hadn't been able score any goals.

Yeah, good point Mr Witty 🙄

The post I replied to said Motherwell couldn't have had any complaints if we'd won 3-1.

Maybe I should've just posted some tedious drivel asking why the ref had given us 2 extra goals?

But I'm not an ******** so I didn't 👍

[keep the faith]

I'm one of the stay aways. I have been a Season ticket holder my whole life and been there always through some tough times. Miller, Calderwood, Fenlon, Butcher.

For whatever reason the Ross stuff has just lost me. It's so bland, so safe, so 1 dimensional. He will no doubt let Scott Allan leave in Jan and bring in more dull all rounders and it's just not for me. I want a hibs side who entertain.

Huge kudos to those rocking up and attending the games right now. All I can speak for is myself and I hope I'm gutted that I missed a cup win later this month. Personally, I think it presents the only way it will get many back in the current state of apathy.

[Lago]

Not sure what day you are referring to but ER was pretty toxic from about 76-80 from the 4,000 who actually bothered to turn up.
Yip remember those days 😩

[Col2]

Couldn’t be bothered. Yes weather a factor but I knew we would be flat today and I knew we would play the same team, same tactics etc.

Haven’t enjoyed any games this season other than Hampden 2 weeks ago.

The club have a problem. The football is crap, the results are crap and if it wasn’t for reaching a cup final we would be at major crisis stage. First season with my son as season ticket holder as well and he isn’t that fussed.

Edit: Enjoyed the Ross County game at home to be fair and early European games.

[Crunchie]

Couldn’t be bothered. Yes weather a factor but I knew we would be flat today and I knew we would play the same team, same tactics etc.

Haven’t enjoyed any games this season other than Hampden 2 weeks ago.

The club have a problem. The football is crap, the results are crap and if it wasn’t for reaching a cup final we would be at major crisis stage. First season with my son as season ticket holder as well and he isn’t that fussed.
Do you know the lottery numbers next week?

[Rumble de Thump]

Yeah, good point Mr Witty 🙄

The post I replied to said Motherwell couldn't have had any complaints if we'd won 3-1.

Maybe I should've just posted some tedious drivel asking why the ref had given us 2 extra goals?

But I'm not an ******** so I didn't 👍

You're a *********

[flash]

What’s the difference? Can you fluidly transition between them on a game to game basis? Is it better to be a fan or a supporter?

A supporter all day long.

[RossScott1991]

Same boring line up and same boring pragmatic approach to winning football matches.

Watching JDH and Newell in the same team is like watching paint dry at times.

I’ve lost count how many times about 30mins in I’ve said “games crying out for an allan.”

Really wish we would ditch this would 3 in midfield with two soo similar and get extra body at the top end of the park, I’m all for the system we played today in games v old firm like the semi final were you need to keep it tight and play off moments.

But home games against the rest of the league for the tactic to just be to hope Boyle and nisbet have moments in the match is all very yawn.

[JoeT]

Was there really 15000 there today? Seemed closer to 10k

[B.H.F.C]

Same boring line up and same boring pragmatic approach to winning football matches.

Watching JDH and Newell in the same team is like watching paint dry at times.

I’ve lost count how many times about 30mins in I’ve said “games crying out for an allan.”

Really wish we would ditch this would 3 in midfield with two soo similar and get extra body at the top end of the park, I’m all for the system we played today in games v old firm like the semi final were you need to keep it tight and play off moments.

But home games against the rest of the league for the tactic to just be to hope Boyle and nisbet have moments in the match is all very yawn.

Last paragraph pretty much sums it up for me. Remainder of the team that started today have 3 goals between them all season which, IMO, is diabolical.

[stuart-farquhar]

I didn't go. 2 less. It's cold I'm old.

Stadium is cold and frankly the absence of hot water in the toilets is shameful.
And the football is Lilian mostly.

[Hibeesforever]

I didn't go. 2 less. It's cold I'm old.

Stadium is cold and frankly the absence of hot water in the toilets is shameful.
And the football is Lilian mostly.

The lack of hot water is shameful. Hampden has hot water and that is a poor stadium....

[CraigHibee]

Rona for me, season ticket holder and health issues. Put off going for a while, went to the United game and not only did I see us get thumped I got rona after it. Hadn't really been anywhere else and although I can't confirm 100% thats where I caught it but could really have only been there. I'll be back soon

[Lancs Harp]

Was there really 15000 there today? Seemed closer to 10k


15k was tickets sold not actually bums on seats. So includes any season ticket holder who didnt attend.

[Col2]

Do you know the lottery numbers next week?

What I did know is JR will play this same team week in week out and make the same subs later in the game. His teams at home have consistently been dull to watch.

[jacomo]

Circumstances have dictated that I don't fancy risking covid into my home, so I've watched on hibs tv. I have paid for my season ticket though. What's the concern?


Really?

[RossScott1991]

What I did know is JR will play this same team week in week out and make the same subs later in the game. His teams at home have consistently been dull to watch.

Inclined to agree. Same system, same team. If winning 60mins in no changes if losing or drawing on come Murphy and Allan.

It’s at the point with Scott Allan it’s borderline just insulting now being thrown on for 5/10mins every week. “On you go Scott save my job” and hoping he produces abit of quality.

He mentions about concern of the number of games without ever changing the team. We have what Man Utd fans experience with Fred and Mctominay. In which you pretty much know JDH and Newell are favourites and will play every week. Too similar and too conserved. I wasn’t / haven’t been a Jack ross out man at any point. But it’s getting very very dull and a chore to watch again

[inglisavhibs]

Soul destroying!!! Ffs do you not think you’re being a bit of a drama queen? I thought it was a decent game today between 2 similarly match teams. Plenty positives to take from todays game imo. The empty seats are definitely a worry though, I needed a megaphone to talk to the nearest person along the aisle from me, normally it’s the same people every week.
I agree, it was a cracking game with 2 teams hell bent on winning. Motherwell best in first half and Hibs better second half. Hibs going through a difficult spell results wise but don’t see any lack of effort.

[Smartie]

I wasn’t there, season ticket holder. Had my Christmas Day/ night out. Although - as the boss - in previous years I’d have made sure that our day/ night out didn’t clash with an attendable Hibs game.

I’ve been to 2 games since August. Missed loads, but the truth is I just don’t want to prioritise Hibs over other invitations any more. My time as a die hard has come and gone.

Possibly more depressing - my daughter is reaching an age where I want to spend as much time as possible with her (she’s 3). My partner is strangely keen for me to indoctrinate her into all things Hibs - she’s a Pars fan whose fondest memories involve watching ***** football with her father and falling in love with Jackie McNamara jr. I’m less inclined - thinking that my days watching Hibs will likely end over the next couple of years and I’ll do what my daughter wants to do instead. In all likelihood she’ll want to spend time with me doing what I do but I’m struggling to justify to myself that watching Hibs is the way for us to go.

As I see it - the problem we have is that we’ve picked up our position as mid-table non-achievers. Anyone who thinks this is a side who will challenge for Europe and give us something to get excited about looking up the way is deluded. The best chance we have of getting me interested again is if we fall far enough to get involved in a relegation struggle. They almost always see a spike in attendances as we struggle to avoid something undesirable.

We are where we are because of the catastrophic summer. That was clear on September 1st. The fact that we’d toil at some point between then and the end of the year was inevitable. Doesn’t mean we all want to live through it.

Ron Gordon needs to get a team in the park that people want to relate to, believe in and want to watch. We’re down to the die hards right now and they can slag us fickle fans all they want - the truth is they need us if they want Hibs to kick on, but they need to give us a reason to want to watch them.

We’ve not kicked in since winning the cup and all the big screens or different pie options won’t change that. We need to put a team in the park that’s worth watching within a narrative that most of us can buy into or it’s all pointless.

[.Sean.]

I had the choice today between either a full shift at work at double time which will basically pay for both my day out at the cup final and Dundee United away on Boxing Day, or go to Easter road and sit on my own as my other season ticket holding pals weren’t bothered about going either. On Wednesday night I went to the libertines instead as I fancied a night out at that more than a night at Easter Road. A year or two ago I’d have been there regardless and would have just sold the gig ticket to help fund the future Hibs trips, just not turning up at Easter road would quite simply not have been an option. It’s just not the same and I have no idea what it is, but all the big flashy screens and vegan menus in the world aren’t alleviating the disconnect and boredom of those that have stuck it out for years through the pish. Clearly there’s thousands with the same attitude

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

I did think at kick off time today it had a lot to do with season ticket holders deciding to watch the game on Hibs TV from their homes rather than venturing out on cold winters day. Now, whilst the club continues to offer that option its every season ticket holders right to do so, I don't think it's helping the team and the atmosphere at the game playing in front of a half empty stadium which we are despite the ludicrous announcement of an attendance of over 15,000.

[Lancs Harp]

I did think at kick off time today it had a lot to do with season ticket holders deciding to watch the game on Hibs TV from their homes rather than venturing out on cold winters day. Now, whilst the club continues to offer that option its every season ticket holders right to do so, I don't think it's helping the team and the atmosphere at the game playing in front of a half empty stadium which we are despite the ludicrous announcement of an attendance of over 15,000.

The 15K is tickets sold mate, all teams report "attendances" the same and have done for a number of years.

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

The 15K is tickets sold mate, all teams report "attendances" the same and have done for a number of years.

Your right, all clubs do this now. It's just seems daft when they announce today's attendance as over 15,000 when there is clearly nowhere near that in the stadium.

[Scotty Leither]

I wasn’t there, season ticket holder. Had my Christmas Day/ night out. Although - as the boss - in previous years I’d have made sure that our day/ night out didn’t clash with an attendable Hibs game.

I’ve been to 2 games since August. Missed loads, but the truth is I just don’t want to prioritise Hibs over other invitations any more. My time as a die hard has come and gone.

Possibly more depressing - my daughter is reaching an age where I want to spend as much time as possible with her (she’s 3). My partner is strangely keen for me to indoctrinate her into all things Hibs - she’s a Pars fan whose fondest memories involve watching ***** football with her father and falling in love with Jackie McNamara jr. I’m less inclined - thinking that my days watching Hibs will likely end over the next couple of years and I’ll do what my daughter wants to do instead.

As I see it - the problem we have is that we’ve picked up our position as mid-table non-achievers. Anyone who thinks this is a side who will challenge for Europe and give us something to get excited about looking up the way is deluded. The best chance we have of getting me interested again is if we fall far enough to get involved in a relegation struggle. They almost always see a spike in attendances as we struggle to avoid something undesirable.


We are where we are because of the catastrophic summer. That was clear on September 1st. The fact that we’d toil at some point between then and the end of the year was inevitable. Doesn’t mean we all want to live through it.

Ron Gordon needs to get a team in the park that people want to relate to, believe in and want to watch. We’re down to the die hards right now and they can slag us fickle fans all they want - the truth is they need us if they want Hibs to kick on, but they need to give us a reason to want to watch them.

We’ve not kicked in since winning the cup and all the big screens or different pie options won’t change that. We need to put a team in the park that’s worth watching within a narrative that most of us can buy into or it’s all pointless.

:top marksIf there is anyone at the club who reads these Boards to get a handle on how Hibs supporters feel about the club and are feeling right now, then they should be directed to this post immediately. Failing that I really think you should email the club with this and mark it for the attention of Ben Kensell.

I've messaged him a few times and you always get a prompt response and a genuine willingness to engage with the fans from him.

BTW your passion for the club shines through in your post, buddy. Keep the Faith, pal.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

From the comments on here COVID has given people time to re-evaluate and prioritise in their lives. Footballs not the be all and end all and people have been given the opportunity to see what else is out there while we weren't allowed to attend.

I'm choked with the cold but dragged my six year old along. By the time we got there we were both cold and wet. Only got colder as the game went on. He kept asking to leave but I said no. The whole of Easter Road was quiet today. Last couple of games the east has been poorly occupied so for all the blame to lie on the FFL is an absolute nonsense.

To call people out for not attending a football match is childish. Folk will do what they want to do. you want to attend every week? Fair enough. You want to go occasionally? That's ok to.

I've been a Hibs fan all my life but I wouldn't describe myself as a diehard. There'll be folk that have lucky pants (how that works I've no idea), wears their green gazelles only on match days or some other tokenistic ritual are probably diehards.

I enjoy going to Easter road. I want my two boys to enjoy going to Easter road. I want my club to be successful whether I'm there or not and long after I'm ash.

[NorthNorfolkHFC]

I’ve a season as well.

Totally disinterested with Hibs the now. I like we are building a team but the football is turgid.

Much rather find something else to do on a Saturday avo.


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[Ómaigh-Hib]

Your right, all clubs do this now. It's just seems daft when they announce today's attendance as over 15,000 when there is clearly nowhere near that in the stadium.


Only got to see the highlights on Sportscene. It's really embarrassing seeing all those empty seats.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Great thread :thumbsup::flag:

[mcfly]

I wasn’t there, season ticket holder. Had my Christmas Day/ night out. Although - as the boss - in previous years I’d have made sure that our day/ night out didn’t clash with an attendable Hibs game.

I’ve been to 2 games since August. Missed loads, but the truth is I just don’t want to prioritise Hibs over other invitations any more. My time as a die hard has come and gone.

Possibly more depressing - my daughter is reaching an age where I want to spend as much time as possible with her (she’s 3). My partner is strangely keen for me to indoctrinate her into all things Hibs - she’s a Pars fan whose fondest memories involve watching ***** football with her father and falling in love with Jackie McNamara jr. I’m less inclined - thinking that my days watching Hibs will likely end over the next couple of years and I’ll do what my daughter wants to do instead. In all likelihood she’ll want to spend time with me doing what I do but I’m struggling to justify to myself that watching Hibs is the way for us to go.

As I see it - the problem we have is that we’ve picked up our position as mid-table non-achievers. Anyone who thinks this is a side who will challenge for Europe and give us something to get excited about looking up the way is deluded. The best chance we have of getting me interested again is if we fall far enough to get involved in a relegation struggle. They almost always see a spike in attendances as we struggle to avoid something undesirable.

We are where we are because of the catastrophic summer. That was clear on September 1st. The fact that we’d toil at some point between then and the end of the year was inevitable. Doesn’t mean we all want to live through it.

Ron Gordon needs to get a team in the park that people want to relate to, believe in and want to watch. We’re down to the die hards right now and they can slag us fickle fans all they want - the truth is they need us if they want Hibs to kick on, but they need to give us a reason to want to watch them.

We’ve not kicked in since winning the cup and all the big screens or different pie options won’t change that. We need to put a team in the park that’s worth watching within a narrative that most of us can buy into or it’s all pointless.

Agree100%

You can’t blame fans not going. The football is awful

Totally boring. No atmosphere at all. Jack Ross is here to stay and sadly his style is not pleasing on the eye.

We also had a terrible summer transfer window. Which we are now feeling the effects off.

1 win in 8 in the league is relegation form. Bottom 6 won’t do

[Greenio]

So, season ticket holders are able to access video on Hibs TV then? Didn't realise that, thought it was only for international viewers. Is that permanent or just something temp in response to lockdown etc?

Interesting views.

If the smaller crowds are due to general things like people being covid cautious still, or maybe got new priorities in life having reevaluated, then you expect to see the same across all clubs.

[Chorley Hibee]

I wasn’t there, season ticket holder. Had my Christmas Day/ night out. Although - as the boss - in previous years I’d have made sure that our day/ night out didn’t clash with an attendable Hibs game.

I’ve been to 2 games since August. Missed loads, but the truth is I just don’t want to prioritise Hibs over other invitations any more. My time as a die hard has come and gone.

Possibly more depressing - my daughter is reaching an age where I want to spend as much time as possible with her (she’s 3). My partner is strangely keen for me to indoctrinate her into all things Hibs - she’s a Pars fan whose fondest memories involve watching ***** football with her father and falling in love with Jackie McNamara jr. I’m less inclined - thinking that my days watching Hibs will likely end over the next couple of years and I’ll do what my daughter wants to do instead. In all likelihood she’ll want to spend time with me doing what I do but I’m struggling to justify to myself that watching Hibs is the way for us to go.

As I see it - the problem we have is that we’ve picked up our position as mid-table non-achievers. Anyone who thinks this is a side who will challenge for Europe and give us something to get excited about looking up the way is deluded. The best chance we have of getting me interested again is if we fall far enough to get involved in a relegation struggle. They almost always see a spike in attendances as we struggle to avoid something undesirable.

We are where we are because of the catastrophic summer. That was clear on September 1st. The fact that we’d toil at some point between then and the end of the year was inevitable. Doesn’t mean we all want to live through it.

Ron Gordon needs to get a team in the park that people want to relate to, believe in and want to watch. We’re down to the die hards right now and they can slag us fickle fans all they want - the truth is they need us if they want Hibs to kick on, but they need to give us a reason to want to watch them.

We’ve not kicked in since winning the cup and all the big screens or different pie options won’t change that. We need to put a team in the park that’s worth watching within a narrative that most of us can buy into or it’s all pointless.

Everyone associated with Hibs, including fellow fans, should be alarmed by a post like this.

Not because of its honesty, but just how pervasive this feeling of apathy is throughout a large section of the support.

I think of myself as a diehard, I rarely miss a game anywhere, but I'm genuinely considering doing something else with my time.

ER is a grim place to be right now, and I've seen nothing to suggest Jack Ross is the man to change any of the concerns that I, and many others, currently have.

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

So, season ticket holders are able to access video on Hibs TV then? Didn't realise that, thought it was only for international viewers. Is that permanent or just something temp in response to lockdown etc?

Interesting views.

If the smaller crowds are due to general things like people being covid cautious still, or maybe got new priorities in life having reevaluated, then you expect to see the same across all clubs.

I think the decision was made by the club due to people maybe not being comfortable at going back to games this season, it won't be a permanent thing.

Don't know if other clubs are doing this or not. Would be interested to know if they are. It's certainly affecting attendances at ER.

[Alfred E Newman]

It was probably a decent enough watch for a neutral and the radio after the match said as much. For me it was very similar to what we’ve been seeing in large parts of games recently and it was difficult to get excited by.

The attendance today was a shock walking in and there must be some alarm bells ringing in the boardroom even with the 15k “tickets sold” revenue. It could be a tough job getting them back unless we win the cup.

Given the poor run of results and the weather pre match, I was not surprised at all with the poor turnout.
Back in the 60s and 70s todays attendance would have been 4 or 5 thousand, with most crammed under the cowshed.
The atmosphere would have been brilliant though!

[stuart-farquhar]

Our support is very large. However the majority are fair weather part-timers.

[O'Rourke3]

Just over two weeks ago there were folks complaining Season Ticket holders might not get a seat at the final. I've no issue with folks choosing not to go. I drove through a lot of snow and considered I may have to have to turn back. For me a not unexpected small crowd close to Christmas and after the defeat Wednesday. I was more surprised at that given the opponents.

Very poor first half and yet we were winning with a superb goal. Complete turnaround second and a seen it before sucker punch which even the scorer admitted he'd not intended to put the ball so far to his left.

Motherwell are a tough side. Alexander has brought in a team of Easter Islanders and has an in form Tony Watt as a bonus. His team bent every rule on contact, and the ref let them the whole game. The amount of time wasting was incredible. The assistant ref on the East Stand clearly running under the English VAR rules for letting the play finish before finally putting his flag up for clear offsides.

Maybe just my paranoia but the orange tops felt like piss taking from the officials.

Game was entertaining even if the result wasn't.

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[PolmontHibby]

Given the poor run of results and the weather pre match, I was not surprised at all with the poor turnout.
Back in the 60s and 70s todays attendance would have been 4 or 5 thousand, with most crammed under the cowshed.
The atmosphere would have been brilliant though!

That takes me back - I remember at least one game in bad weather where they let the entire crowd of home/away fans of 4k or so in to the cowshed (apart from the posh ones under cover in the west of course)

[Coco Bryce]

The 15K is tickets sold mate, all teams report "attendances" the same and have done for a number of years.

Got a fair few laughs from the fans today when that was put out over the tannoy.

[WhileTheChief..]

I'm bored watching the same players, playing the same way every week.

We always start at a pedestrian pace at ER, none of the players seem fired up for it and the fans appear to feel the same.

We need freshened up. We need some character in the squad and an identity.

We're just so meh / bland / beige.

We don't even get many folk going radge on here after defeats anymore, we just kinda collectively shrug our shoulders and wait for the next game.

[Shrekko]

Our support is very large. However the majority are fair weather part-timers.

Yeah it’s coming through loud and clear that people don’t need much of a reason not to turn up and some seem quite proud of that. That’s absolutely fine, but it’s why we get mocked so often by the fans of other teams. If you have a big fan base but get very small crowds then we can’t claim to have brilliant fanatical fans. The truth is it’s hard to think of a more fickle fan base in the country. It’s always been the same. Things have been far worse than this on the pitch in the past 30/40 years so if people can’t stomach it now it explains our 4-6000 crowds in the really bad times.

Say what you want about clubs like Motherwell, Dundee, Dundee Utd etc but the size of their crowds is always pretty consistent and they have far smaller fan bases.

[MWHIBBIES]

Same as anything really. When the going gets tough, you see who really supports Hibs, and who just likes a winning Hibs.

Usual excuses like style of play, or boredom, or weather. Na, just support your club. Easy.

[The Harp Awakes]

Everyone associated with Hibs, including fellow fans, should be alarmed by a post like this.

Not because of its honesty, but just how pervasive this feeling of apathy is throughout a large section of the support.

I think of myself as a diehard, I rarely miss a game anywhere, but I'm genuinely considering doing something else with my time.

ER is a grim place to be right now, and I've seen nothing to suggest Jack Ross is the man to change any of the concerns that I, and many others, currently have.

Pretty much where I am. Seen much worse Hibs teams in my time in terms of quality, but Easter Road is a dull and uninspiring place to be just now.

All down to a lack of exciting style of play/players in the team. We have some decent, industrious players but other than Boyle, there's few who would get you out of your seat.

Had a season ticket for 43 years and it used to be not going to a home game would be unthinkable for me. Still going but have to say my enthusiasm to go to games is waning.

[WhileTheChief..]

Same as anything really. When the going gets tough, you see who really supports Hibs, and who just likes a winning Hibs.

Usual excuses like style of play, or boredom, or weather. Na, just support your club. Easy.

There's not a single person on here that doesn't support the club.

We just don't see things the same as you.

[SteveHFC]

I'm bored watching the same players, playing the same way every week.

We always start at a pedestrian pace at ER, none of the players seem fired up for it and the fans appear to feel the same.

We need freshened up. We need some character in the squad and an identity.

We're just so meh / bland / beige.

We don't even get many folk going radge on here after defeats anymore, we just kinda collectively shrug our shoulders and wait for the next game.
:top marks

[Coco Bryce]

I'm bored watching the same players, playing the same way every week.

We always start at a pedestrian pace at ER, none of the players seem fired up for it and the fans appear to feel the same.

We need freshened up. We need some character in the squad and an identity.

We're just so meh / bland / beige.

We don't even get many folk going radge on here after defeats anymore, we just kinda collectively shrug our shoulders and wait for the next game.

I'm the same. Pissed off with Hibs and winter fitba now. I nearly left at HT I was wet, freezing and bored ****less.

[SteveHFC]

Same as anything really. When the going gets tough, you see who really supports Hibs, and who just likes a winning Hibs.

Usual excuses like style of play, or boredom, or weather. Na, just support your club. Easy.

Aye thats why folk like my dad who's been going for around 50 years is struggling to find the motivation to go to games at the moment

[Shrekko]

Aye thats why folk like my dad who's been going for around 50 years is struggling to find the motivation to go to games at the moment

So this is the worst it’s been for 50 years?

3rd last season and made the last 2 cup finals …. when was this the norm?

[MWHIBBIES]

Aye thats why folk like my dad who's been going for around 50 years is struggling to find the motivation to go to games at the moment

Weird. My dad is having no problems going. Shouldn't need motivation to support your team. It's your team, that's it.

[MWHIBBIES]

So this is the worst it’s been for 50 years?

3rd last season and made the last 2 cup finals …. when was this the norm?

Yeah. If this is all it takes for folk to stop, they've definitely not been going 50 years. Duffy, yogi, Williamson, sauzee, calderwood. Butcher. Fenlon, hecky, Miller etc would've had them running for the hills.

Ross is klopp compared to most we've had.

[Stuart93]

Same as anything really. When the going gets tough, you see who really supports Hibs, and who just likes a winning Hibs.

Usual excuses like style of play, or boredom, or weather. Na, just support your club. Easy.

We get it mate. You’re a massive massive hibs fan.

[JoeT]

15k was tickets sold not actually bums on seats. So includes any season ticket holder who didnt attend.

They really need to quote actual attendance

[Northernhibee]

Weird. My dad is having no problems going. Shouldn't need motivation to support your team. It's your team, that's it.

“My dads more motivated than your dad”.

Still doesn’t change that we’re losing a fair bit of revenue now.

[SteveHFC]

So this is the worst it’s been for 50 years?

3rd last season and made the last 2 cup finals …. when was this the norm?

nope he's seen worse,

[The Modfather]

Same as anything really. When the going gets tough, you see who really supports Hibs, and who just likes a winning Hibs.

Usual excuses like style of play, or boredom, or weather. Na, just support your club. Easy.

I’ve fluctuated between being a home and away man to rarely attending throughout the years. Now I’m more of a customer, which given that’s how clubs treat fans then it’s not all that unreasonable. I’ve other things competing with Hibs these days, the main one being a young family, so it’s my time Hibs are really competing for. I no longer feel a duty to attend Hibs games. I care less about the result nowadays but how enjoyable I find the 90 minutes. I’ve not enjoyed many games the last few seasons regardless of the result and don’t think there’s anything wrong in other activities beginning to edge out an afternoon at Easter Road.

[WhileTheChief..]

“My dads more motivated than your dad”.



:faf: :top marks

[The Harp Awakes]

“My dads more motivated than your dad”.

Still doesn’t change that we’re losing a fair bit of revenue now.

Yes, where would we be without the uber fans :greengrin

[Shrekko]

nope he's seen worse,

He’s seen a heck of a lot worse and a lot more boring.

[Northernhibee]

What’s most concerning is we no longer have a club changing thing like breaking the Scottish cup hoodoo to drive season ticket sales. A cup win would have some benefit but nowhere near 2016.

[SteveHFC]

Weird. My dad is having no problems going. Shouldn't need motivation to support your team. It's your team, that's it.

Eveyone is different, happy for you that your dad is a better supporter than my dad:greengrin

[Stuart93]

I’ve fluctuated between being a home and away man to rarely attending throughout the years. Now I’m more of a customer, which given that’s how clubs treat fans then it’s not all that unreasonable. I’ve other things competing with Hibs these days, the main one being a young family, so it’s my time Hibs are really competing for. I no longer feel a duty to attend Hibs games. I care less about the result nowadays but how enjoyable I find the 90 minutes. I’ve not enjoyed many games the last few seasons regardless of the result and don’t think there’s anything wrong in other activities beginning to edge out an afternoon at Easter Road.

Na you aren’t allowed to do anything else but hibs or you’ll lose your hibs supporter badge

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

Yeah it’s coming through loud and clear that people don’t need much of a reason not to turn up and some seem quite proud of that. That’s absolutely fine, but it’s why we get mocked so often by the fans of other teams. If you have a big fan base but get very small crowds then we can’t claim to have brilliant fanatical fans. The truth is it’s hard to think of a more fickle fan base in the country. It’s always been the same. Things have been far worse than this on the pitch in the past 30/40 years so if people can’t stomach it now it explains our 4-6000 crowds in the really bad times.

Say what you want about clubs like Motherwell, Dundee, Dundee Utd etc but the size of their crowds is always pretty consistent and they have far smaller fan bases.

Had to laugh today when Well fans started singing 'what a *****y home support'. Obviously sang in jest but shouldn't really be something that Motherwell fans should be able to sing at ER.

[HH81]

Home at 23.30 bad weather, train delays and well it's a day at the football.

Live the dream.

[Shrekko]

Had to laugh today when Well fans started singing 'what a *****y home support'. Obviously sang in jest but shouldn't really be something that Motherwell fans should be able to sing at ER.

Not sure it was in jest tbh!

Motherwell fans have a great connection with their players and the club in general. There’s not many of them, but I’ve seen a few videos this season from the end of their games where they all actually stay in the ground and clap and sing for the players who give them a bit of appreciation back. Another thing we’re missing at the moment and probably why their players are performing as well as they are.

[RossScott1991]

I'm bored watching the same players, playing the same way every week.

We always start at a pedestrian pace at ER, none of the players seem fired up for it and the fans appear to feel the same.

We need freshened up. We need some character in the squad and an identity.

We're just so meh / bland / beige.

We don't even get many folk going radge on here after defeats anymore, we just kinda collectively shrug our shoulders and wait for the next game.

This 100%

Same team. Same system. Same approach to games. It’s just all frankly dull and little surprise folk stay away especially with the weather. There is very little flair or character about the team.

Pragmatic set up and approach to games and hope Boyle and Nisbet have a couple of good moments.

JDH and Newell both crab footballers. No one running beyond. No one capable of scoring from 25 yards. Just same old same old get it to Boyle and hope.

Busy hectic schedule and there will be little rotation as his favourites continue to play every week. Scott Allan / Murphy subbed on 65/70mins every week when the games crying out for abit of spark. Same subs manager makes , and every soo often one of them pull him out the fire only to be benched next again week to watch JDH and Newell play 2 yard passes to one another.

I’m beginning to lose patience

[MWHIBBIES]

Eveyone is different, happy for you that your dad is a better supporter than my dad:greengrin

My point is, it's not really some mental thing to say, not some grand statement because there are many many more still going.

[FilipinoHibs]

Sorry I misread your post, I was one of the diehards back then and I wouldn't say the atmosphere was toxic at all, not compared to the fans of today that's for sure.

Agree I was a diehard then to. Even during the horrendous runs against Hearts the fans got behind the team. We were down to real fans then.

[.Sean.]

Same as anything really. When the going gets tough, you see who really supports Hibs, and who just likes a winning Hibs.

Usual excuses like style of play, or boredom, or weather. Na, just support your club. Easy.
Aye that’s exactly what it is. Me and my group of pals who’ve had season tickets and never missed a game through what we’ll call the ‘widlerness and bang average pish of 07-11 from Collins to Calderwood’ be it home and away, then through Fenlon and Butcher, and relegation til we finally got back up, then Heckingbottom, still never missed a game, there is my old man that endured all that and some, who still hardly never missed a game home or away but still persevered from the late 70s to early 90s and on and on, yet all of a sudden this is the season he chose not to renew his season ticket? OK

Aye it’s our fault. It’s garbage and you know it.

I have read some absolutely garbage over the years on here - and admittedly posted more than my fair share of it - but loyal Hibs supporters who have had enough of below average and boring guff being part of the problem takes the pish

[NC1875]

Yeah. If this is all it takes for folk to stop, they've definitely not been going 50 years. Duffy, yogi, Williamson, sauzee, calderwood. Butcher. Fenlon, hecky, Miller etc would've had them running for the hills.

Ross is klopp compared to most we've had.

Ross is Klopp. You certainly can’t expect to be taken seriously by anyone after that statement. Enjoy your night Jack

[MWHIBBIES]

Aye that’s exactly what it is. Me and my group of pals who’ve had season tickets and never missed a game through what we’ll call the ‘widlerness and bang average pish of 07-11 from Collins to Calderwood’ be it home and away, then through Fenlon and Butcher, and relegation til we finally got back up, then Heckingbottom, still never missed a game, there is my old man that endured all that and some, who still hardly never missed a game home or away but still persevered from the late 70s to early 90s and on and on, yet all of a sudden this is the season he chose not to renew his season ticket? Get yourself so far to 🤣

Aye it’s our fault. It’s garbage and you know it.

Seems to me like priorities likely changed, because its laughable to suggest we're worse now than then. This Hibs team is worth supporting

[MWHIBBIES]

Ross is Klopp. You certainly can’t expect to be taken seriously by anyone after that statement. Enjoy your night Jack

Try reading the rest pal

[.Sean.]

Seems to me like priorities likely changed, because its laughable to suggest we're worse now than then. This Hibs team is worth supporting
Maybe poorer teams have been easier to support due to character and desire?

[B.H.F.C]

Seems to me like priorities likely changed, because its laughable to suggest we're worse now than then. This Hibs team is worth supporting

To you it is. Clearly there are plenty who don’t share that view. It’s not as if it’s just a really vocal minority that don’t seem to enjoy it now.

[MWHIBBIES]

To you it is. Clearly there are plenty who don’t share that view. It’s not as if it’s just a really vocal minority that don’t seem to enjoy it now.It is, though. That's exactly what it is.


Maybe poorer teams have been easier to support due to character and desire?
Yeah, I remember watching Calderwood lose every week thinking man, we're loaded with character and desire.

[Stuart93]

To you it is. Clearly there are plenty who don’t share that view. It’s not as if it’s just a really vocal minority that don’t seem to enjoy it now.

Correct.

Said to my mates when the game was kicking off it was sad to see easter road so empty on a Saturday at 3pm on a match day

[B.H.F.C]

Maybe poorer teams have been easier to support due to character and desire?

Something along those lines IMO.

I couldn’t believe how happy some folk were after the Rangers game on Wednesday merely because we’d competed. We pretty much did nothing of note, offensively, but the fact we were tracking runners and competing was some form of positive when, to me, it’s just the minimum requirement. It’s not the kind of football that’s going to entice people back.

[Glory Lurker]

I went.

[.Sean.]

It is, though. That's exactly what it is.


Yeah, I remember watching Calderwood lose every week thinking man, we're loaded with character and desire.
So it’s the supporters fault this side inspire them less than that of a say Colin Calderwood? Maybe want to discuss that logic with yourself in a dark room

[B.H.F.C]

It is, though. That's exactly what it is.


Yeah, I remember watching Calderwood lose every week thinking man, we're loaded with character and desire.

Aye you pretend that it’s just a vocal minority that’s losing interest then, there are thousands not turning up now.

[The 90+2]

Some great points. It’s worth bearing in mind that we where **** for about ten years and in they year probably attracted very little in terms of new younger supporters.

Now we have a lot of older guys not going for various reasons and the hardcore I grew up in having different life priorities.

Something needs done and sharpish because this is actually happening during a successful period for the club.

[MWHIBBIES]

So it’s the supporters fault this side inspire them less than that of a say Colin Calderwood? Maybe want to discuss that logic with yourself in a dark room

They don't, though. Not even close. That's nonsense

[NC1875]

Try reading the rest pal

Try getting they naughty photos back off Jack pal, will save you defending him for the rest of your life

[Glory Lurker]

Some great points. It’s worth bearing in mind that we where **** for about ten years and in they year probably attracted very little in terms of new younger supporters.

Now we have a lot of older guys not going for various reasons and the hardcore I grew up in having different life priorities.

Something needs done and sharpish because this is actually happening during a successful period for the club.

I have been wondering if the issue is that we've not got enough fans in their 20s/30s to make up for older fans not fancying it for one reason or another. I've no idea, but we are experiencing something pretty unique.

[Chorley Hibee]

Yeah. If this is all it takes for folk to stop, they've definitely not been going 50 years. Duffy, yogi, Williamson, sauzee, calderwood. Butcher. Fenlon, hecky, Miller etc would've had them running for the hills.

Ross is klopp compared to most we've had.

I've been present throughout all of the above, and a season ticket holder for pretty much the duration too.

Perhaps I, and many others, have finally had enough of being served up the same mediocre piss, regardless of manager etc, particularly at the prices they've got the cheek to charge currently.

Continue serving up what we are at present and watch the crowds dwindle even further.

[MWHIBBIES]

Try getting they naughty photos back off Jack pal, will save you defending him for the rest of your life

Great point. Well made.

[MWHIBBIES]

I've been present throughout all of the above, and a season ticket holder for pretty much the duration too.

Perhaps I, and many others, have finally had enough of being served up the same mediocre piss, regardless of manager etc, particularly at the prices they've got the cheek to charge currently.

Continue serving up what we are at present and watch the crowds dwindle even further.

This is nothing like those guys. They wish they were mediocre. Couldn't care less if crowds dwindle. You'll all come back if we win something, just like 2016. Great thing about fickle fans, only takes a trophy.

[Chorley Hibee]

This is nothing like those guys. They wish they were mediocre. Couldn't care less if crowds dwindle. You'll all come back if we win something, just like 2016. Great thing about fickle fans, only takes a trophy.

Well if you're content with the support dropping off a cliff, perhaps you're not the supporter you see yourself as.

Like it or not, the club requires as many of us through the gate as it can, regardless of our standing on the supporter scale.

What we are currently serving up on the pitch will not address this problem.

[MWHIBBIES]

Well if you're content with the support dropping off a cliff, perhaps you're not the supporter you see yourself as.

Like it or not, the club requires as many of us through the gate as it can, regardless of our standing on the supporter scale.

What we are currently serving up on the pitch will not address this problem.

Ah right, so the club needs fans for good football, but you only bother when we're already playing good football. Big fan.

[The 90+2]

I have been wondering if the issue is that we've not got enough fans in their 20s/30s to make up for older fans not fancying it for one reason or another. I've no idea, but we are experiencing something pretty unique.

I think it is the case. Like I said we had a **** ten years and it shows with lack of hardcore supporters in their 20s.

[Chorley Hibee]

Ah right, so the club needs fans for good football, but you only bother when we're already playing good football. Big fan.

35 years and counting and rarely miss a game home or away, but you're quite happy to see a supporter of such an ilk disappear because they don't fit your idea of what a Hibs supporter should be?

As I said, if you are happy with so many disillusioned fans, and what is presently being served up at ER, then enjoy all those empty seats for the foreseeable.

[silverhibee]

Seems to me like priorities likely changed, because its laughable to suggest we're worse now than then. This Hibs team is worth supporting

Yeah your right, the team is worth supporting, it’s the manager that’s not worth it, his time is up at Hibs and Ron needs to realise this and get him away from this team, he is not getting the best out of this squad of players.

[Hero76]

im scunnered

[matty_f]

Two out of three in my season ticket group were there today, the other one isn’t ready to go back because of concerns about covid, but will be back before the season is out.

There were a lot of regulars around us missing today, though.

[bingo70]

Ah right, so the club needs fans for good football, but you only bother when we're already playing good football. Big fan.

You obviously think the entertainment at Hibs games just now is fine, fair play to you, it’s not something that’s black and white, some people will enjoy different things.

Curious what your thoughts are going forward though if you agree that large amounts of other people disagree and the attendances continue to drop? Do the club just take a similar stance to you and blame them for being disloyal fans or do they look into what’s causing the apathy and act upon it?

Somebody posted before that a few wins will fix the issue but I don’t agree. Entertainment vs results has been a long standing debate on here however for me, I think Jack Ross tenure almost settles the debate. Results as good as they were for the most part last season just hasn’t captured the imagination of the supporters and it’s clear that if the club is to progress it needs bums on seats in the stadium.

People want to be entertained I think, if they’re not enjoying going to the football they’ll do something else. IMO the club can’t just put it down to us having **** fans.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

Football fans are fickle. Hibs are consistently inconsistent.

[Crunchie]

35 years and counting and rarely miss a game home or away, but you're quite happy to see a supporter of such an ilk disappear because they don't fit your idea of what a Hibs supporter should be?

As I said, if you are happy with so many disillusioned fans, and what is presently being served up at ER, then enjoy all those empty seats for the foreseeable.
This generation don't know what it's like to consistently watch dull boring football, ask the guys who suffered through the late 70s, late 80s and you might get an idea. There was no such thing as I'm not going we're boring to watch, you went that was it.
Be very careful what you wish for and enjoy these many Hampden visits you can, they were very much a rarity in my day.

[Allant1981]

I'm bored watching the same players, playing the same way every week.

We always start at a pedestrian pace at ER, none of the players seem fired up for it and the fans appear to feel the same.

We need freshened up. We need some character in the squad and an identity.

We're just so meh / bland / beige.

We don't even get many folk going radge on here after defeats anymore, we just kinda collectively shrug our shoulders and wait for the next game.

We didnt start pedestrian yesterday, we had a shot at goal and the a corner after 30 secs, but i suppose folk see what they want to see

[Crunchie]

We didnt start pedestrian yesterday, we had a shot at goal and the a corner after 30 secs, but i suppose folk see what they want to see
He can't have been in his seat by then :aok:

[Since90+2]

This generation don't know what it's like to consistently watch dull boring football, ask the guys who suffered through the late 70s, late 80s and you might get an idea. There was no such thing as I'm not going we're boring to watch, you went that was it.
Be very careful what you wish for and enjoy these many Hampden visits you can, they were very much a rarity in my day.

Society has moved on.

Back in "your day" football was one of the rare forms of entertainment for people, now there are a magnitude of different things people and families can do often for far cheaper than football and in some cases for free.

[bingo70]

This generation don't know what it's like to consistently watch dull boring football, ask the guys who suffered through the late 70s, late 80s and you might get an idea. There was no such thing as I'm not going we're boring to watch, you went that was it.
Be very careful what you wish for and enjoy these many Hampden visits you can, they were very much a rarity in my day.

Times maybe have changed though.

You’re absolutely right, things have been a lot worse, so have attendances though.

If we continue with a playing brand of football that isn’t appealing to the masses then you will be right but surrounded by about 8,000 people at Easter Road. If we want to get crowds of around 15,000 then we need to offer better entertainment.

The fact it used to be much worse is neither here nor there to the current generation, or even the older generation who went through these tougher times but have now had their head turned by other things to do on a Saturday afternoon.

[CentreLine]

This generation don't know what it's like to consistently watch dull boring football, ask the guys who suffered through the late 70s, late 80s and you might get an idea. There was no such thing as I'm not going we're boring to watch, you went that was it.
Be very careful what you wish for and enjoy these many Hampden visits you can, they were very much a rarity in my day.

Brought up on a diet of teams led by the likes of Bob Shankly, Willie McFarlane
and Eddie Turnbull, it came as a bit of a shock to the system from the break up up the Tornadoes, through the late 70s and onwards. I certainly lost my mojo and felt we only really got back to being entertained when Tony Mowbray came along and inherited the fledgling golden generation.

I’m not going to claim JR has us achieving those dizzy heights but his football is by no means boring. There are very flat periods in games but his team are also capable of some excellent football. It’s all a bit Kevin Nisbet though, it never produces for a whole game and sometimes never gets going at all.

Personally I don’t see that as JR’s fault. Clearly the players know what’s required and are capable. Just seems they give up trying when stuff doesn’t come off. Right now JR has the “Get out of Jail Free Card” of the perceived Mathie failings in the transfer market. It is notoriously difficult to do meaningful business in the January transfer window so I give it until next summer before I join the JR bandwagon of decent.

[neil7908]

Ah right, so the club needs fans for good football, but you only bother when we're already playing good football. Big fan.

Have you ever missed a Hibs game?

[BSEJVT]

I think what the diehards (and well done to them) forget is that other folk have different interests and/or priorities to them in their life or maybe at least at this stage of their lives.

I have had a season ticket for well over 25 years and still do but have been once this year. I am a wee bit uncomfy with the Covid thing, but whether it's an ageing thing or not that wouldn't have stopped me going before.

I just have other things I need to be / would rather be doing just now and they are entirely nothing to do with what I think or don't think about this Hibs team / the manager / the atmosphere etc etc.

Maybe when my grandsons get a bit older and want to go I will go back with them, but for the moment I would rather play golf / spend some time with them and the family.

I bought this years season tickets for my daughter and I, knowing we probably wouldn't go much but felt that the team deserved if not our actual then financial support.

I am always a bit saddened when I read threads like this criticising folk who buy their tickets but don't go because they have other priorities, it seems a bit unnecessary to me and it also makes me wonder a bit if these folk criticising have anything else going on in their lives or have their priorities properly established that they can't understand why folk do differently, but in the same way I make my own choices they are entitled to make theirs.

What I would say though are 2 things:

1) Their criticism probably has exactly the opposite effect to that they desire, it won't force folk to go and next year they must just think **** it why should I bother renewing

2) Once you get out the way of going regularly, it gets easier to miss the next game and easier the one after that etc etc

[Lee Marvin]

I think what the diehards (and well done to them) forget is that other folk have different interests and/or priorities to them in their life or maybe at least at this stage of their lives.

I have had a season ticket for well over 25 years and still do but have been once this year. I am a wee bit uncomfy with the Covid thing, but whether it's an ageing thing or not that wouldn't have stopped me going before.

I just have other things I need to be / would rather be doing just now and they are entirely nothing to do with what I think or don't think about this Hibs team / the manager / the atmosphere etc etc.

Maybe when my grandsons get a bit older and want to go I will go back with them, but for the moment I would rather play golf / spend some time with them and the family.

I bought this years season tickets for my daughter and I, knowing we probably wouldn't go much but felt that the team deserved if not our actual then financial support.

I am always a bit saddened when I read threads like this criticising folk who buy their tickets but don't go because they have other priorities, it seems a bit unnecessary to me and it also makes me wonder a bit if these folk criticising have anything else going on in their lives or have their priorities properly established that they can't understand why folk do differently, but in the same way I make my own choices they are entitled to make theirs.

What I would say though are 2 things:

1) Their criticism probably has exactly the opposite effect to that they desire, it won't force folk to go and next year they must just think **** it why should I bother renewing

2) Once you get out the way of going regularly, it gets easier to miss the next game and easier the one after that etc etc

Saved me typing my situation/thoughts - with the exception of swapping 'grandson' to 'son.'

In just bored of attending every Hibs game now, unfortunately. I'd much rather use my rare free time on the golf course, it's as simple as that. I was getting to this stage anyway but covid has no doubt fast tracked my feelings.

Worrying times.

[B.H.F.C]

We didnt start pedestrian yesterday, we had a shot at goal and the a corner after 30 secs, but i suppose folk see what they want to see

And then very quickly settled in to our normal first half routine and set up a number of chances for Motherwell. Scored a really good goal and thought the second half was decent enough but it’s just all moments here and there. With the exception of St Johnstone last week wee rarely keep teams under pressure for any sustained period and that, in turn, is why the crowd end up sitting on their hands for the majority of the game IMO.

[Chuck Rhoades]

You could find a thread like this every December. People have lives outside of Hibs, well some do. Get over it. We’ve contributed the same way as other ST holders.

[Pretty Boy]

I went yesterday but I was sorely tempted not to.

My sister lives quite literally 2 minutes from ER. She was having a few people down for a Christmas party and I was helping her set up pre game then my plan was the game and go back. My daughter had an epic tantrum saying she wasn't going to the game, I tried to coax her into it but in the end admitted defeat. At that point the thought of a beer, a warm room, food and a good blether was far more appealing than this Hibs team. It's just not in me though so I wrapped up and trudged round. The day is coming were I will use the weather as an easy excuse though and I don't think I have ever done that before.

What should be concerning about this thread is it isn't the easily dismissed 'usual suspects' posting. There are people who I know are regular away attendees and who never miss home games now saying they are not going for various reasons. When the die hards start drifting away you have an issue.

We can argue all day about the merits of tbis Hibs team, indeed we do exactly that on here. What is inarguable is something is not clicking between fans and team/club just now. Crowds are low and those who are attending are hardly enthusiastic in their support as a collective. Whatever the announced attendance yesterday there was barely 10K there. In the 80s our low bottomed out about 4K, the last real dip saw it hit about 8K. We are approaching thag point now, despite being on the face of it a far better team now.

[Allant1981]

And then very quickly settled in to our normal first half routine and set up a number of chances for Motherwell. Scored a really good goal and thought the second half was decent enough but it’s just all moments here and there. With the exception of St Johnstone last week wee rarely keep teams under pressure for any sustained period and that, in turn, is why the crowd end up sitting on their hands for the majority of the game IMO.

So still didnt start pedestrian then as suggested by the poster, we had loads of chances to score in the 2nd half, if thats not enough to get fans going then nothing will

[Carheenlea]

I suppose the big question to those have purchased ST’s but have been staying away is, do you still think you will renew next season?

As we know the ST money is a huge source of our income, and if fans are still buying a ST as commitment to the club but picking and choosing their games then it’s not such a big concern, but to lose numbers on the scale we are seeing in absentees must be a major worry as there probably aren’t too many who are there to take their place if they did decide to give it up.

[LeithMike]

Same as anything really. When the going gets tough, you see who really supports Hibs, and who just likes a winning Hibs.

Usual excuses like style of play, or boredom, or weather. Na, just support your club. Easy.One of the poorest posts I've seen which comes across as an immature teenager with no life perspective. People have many other responsibilities in life and the cost of football is prohibitively high so can't simply dedicate their lives to following their team. Like it or not football is an entertainment for most people and not some gang-like identity. I have two young kids and am now taking my eldest (which costs a lot) and we have to make a big sacrifice in terms of time to go. I enjoyed yesterday's game but its not much fun taking a 7 year old along to the game when its cold, the game is flat and atmosphere poisonous.

If Hibs want to grow then they have to somehow get back on an upward trajectory. It's tough with the glass ceiling in Scottish football but Hibs need to be attracting as many fans as possible. If we start losing fans it will damage the club.



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[B.H.F.C]

I think what the diehards (and well done to them) forget is that other folk have different interests and/or priorities to them in their life or maybe at least at this stage of their lives.

I have had a season ticket for well over 25 years and still do but have been once this year. I am a wee bit uncomfy with the Covid thing, but whether it's an ageing thing or not that wouldn't have stopped me going before.

I just have other things I need to be / would rather be doing just now and they are entirely nothing to do with what I think or don't think about this Hibs team / the manager / the atmosphere etc etc.

Maybe when my grandsons get a bit older and want to go I will go back with them, but for the moment I would rather play golf / spend some time with them and the family.

I bought this years season tickets for my daughter and I, knowing we probably wouldn't go much but felt that the team deserved if not our actual then financial support.

I am always a bit saddened when I read threads like this criticising folk who buy their tickets but don't go because they have other priorities, it seems a bit unnecessary to me and it also makes me wonder a bit if these folk criticising have anything else going on in their lives or have their priorities properly established that they can't understand why folk do differently, but in the same way I make my own choices they are entitled to make theirs.

What I would say though are 2 things:

1) Their criticism probably has exactly the opposite effect to that they desire, it won't force folk to go and next year they must just think **** it why should I bother renewing

2) Once you get out the way of going regularly, it gets easier to miss the next game and easier the one after that etc etc

I don’t think many people (one real exception) have an issue with folk not going.

I’ve been to every game home and away this season but I wouldn’t blame anyone for finding something else to do at the moment. For me the criticism is more aimed at the manager/team/club for not putting something on the park that makes folk want to go.

Think Ron is about to find out that executing his plan for increasing revenues may be more difficult in practice than theory and the money not coming in will be a big, big part of his thinking.

[greenlex]

It’s an age old question. If we had a swashbuckling sure that wasn’t winning too often would we get more fans going than if we had a winning side that wasn’t at it all the time? My guess is if we were winning more often than not we would see more fans. I don’t think Covid has helped. It’s easy not to go especially when the weathers crap and as a season ticket holder you can just watch it on the box. Lots of us are creatures of habit and that habit has been replaced by the armchair.

[Chorley Hibee]

This generation don't know what it's like to consistently watch dull boring football, ask the guys who suffered through the late 70s, late 80s and you might get an idea. There was no such thing as I'm not going we're boring to watch, you went that was it.
Be very careful what you wish for and enjoy these many Hampden visits you can, they were very much a rarity in my day.

As I said, 35 years following Hibs home and away, so I'm not a part of "this generation" as you call them.

I'm a father/husband who realises there's much better things I can be doing with my time than consistently forking out ridiculous prices to watch some of the most insipid performances I've seen in a while.

If you're happy to see the back of people such as myself - then Hibs are going to end up in an even worse state than they currently are.

[lord bunberry]

I did think at kick off time today it had a lot to do with season ticket holders deciding to watch the game on Hibs TV from their homes rather than venturing out on cold winters day. Now, whilst the club continues to offer that option its every season ticket holders right to do so, I don't think it's helping the team and the atmosphere at the game playing in front of a half empty stadium which we are despite the ludicrous announcement of an attendance of over 15,000.
I think you’re right, it’s having a massive affect on season ticket holders deciding to just stay at home and watch it on tv. The weather was horrible and many would’ve looked outside and thought na I’ll just watch it on the tv, especially those who come from further away.

[wookie70]

I've only missed one game this year home and away and still look forward to matchdays. One of the few areas of life I am fairly optimistic. My daughter is far easier to get to come to the games and she is now pestering me to go to away games too. The football isn't swashbuckling but it is nowhere near as bad as it has been for much of my 40 odd years pulling on a green and white scarf. The players for the most part give 100% and we have a manager that is clearly professional. I love Hibs unconditionally and feel guilty when I miss games like I have let down a family member. There is no doubt there is an issue though. Yesterday saw masses of ST holders missing which is worrying. What I find more worrying is the lack of kids at a Hibs kids game. The FF lower is as quiet as I can remember and long gone are the days the screechy tunes of young supporters can be heard on a Hibs kids day. The club desperately needs to work out a way of getting the next generation through the gates and despite one of the most successful few years in our recent history we seem to have lost the youth supporters. A Cup win would make such a difference.

[Brightside]

The TV thing is a huge factor. It’s just much easier to watch from the sofa than it ever used to be. I don’t think it’s much to do with the style of football as we had horrendous games under Lennon and that didn’t stop people going. Covid and TV continue to have a detrimental affect on attendances.

[bingo70]

The TV thing is a huge factor. It’s just much easier to watch from the sofa than it ever used to be. I don’t think it’s much to do with the style of football as we had horrendous games under Lennon and that didn’t stop people going. Covid and TV continue to have a detrimental affect on attendances.

I think if you think how we play isn’t affecting attendances you’re wrong. In fact I know you are as I know quite a few people who don’t go to games just now who would go if it was better and more entertaining.

I’m not talking about folk who will come on here and debates the rights and wrongs of it. They just won’t go to the game and won’t think anything of it.

These types of fans, can be enticed to come to Easter road more regularly but not the way we play just now. (I’m not including yesterdays performance as I wasn’t there, that’s nothing to do with how we play though)

[Crunchie]

As I said, 35 years following Hibs home and away, so I'm not a part of "this generation" as you call them.

I'm a father/husband who realises there's much better things I can be doing with my time than consistently forking out ridiculous prices to watch some of the most insipid performances I've seen in a while.

If you're happy to see the back of people such as myself - then Hibs are going to end up in an even worse state than they currently are.
You'll be back when we're winning :aok:

[Brightside]

I think if you think how we play isn’t affecting attendances you’re wrong. In fact I know you are as I know quite a few people who don’t go to games just now who would go if it was better and more entertaining.

I’m not talking about folk who will come on here and debates the rights and wrongs of it. They just won’t go to the game and won’t think anything of it.

These types of fans, can be enticed to come to Easter road more regularly but not the way we play just now. (I’m not including yesterdays performance as I wasn’t there, that’s nothing to do with how we play though)

But are they then watching it on TV. Most people I know that didn’t go to the last few game still watched it on TV. Covid has created that habit of staying in rather than going to the games no matter what. The style of football is nowhere near as bad as some are staying and way better than the most of the recent seasons.

[Crunchie]

But are they then watching it on TV. Most people I know that didn’t go to the last few game still watched it on TV. Covid has created that habit of staying in rather than going to the games no matter what. The style of football is nowhere near as bad as some are staying and way better than the most of the recent seasons.
:top marks

[greenginger]

Pre covid I’d be at Easter Road , hail , rain or shine.

Now pretty selective but no no chance of giving up on my season ticket. Will probs become a regular attender again after the Jan. window.

[Leith Green]

But are they then watching it on TV. Most people I know that didn’t go to the last few game still watched it on TV. Covid has created that habit of staying in rather than going to the games no matter what. The style of football is nowhere near as bad as some are staying and way better than the most of the recent seasons.

Making comparisons to other ***** season doesnt necessarily mean that this isnt ***** as well. Especially when u factor in how ***** we actually were. Couple of seasons scraping about the bottom of the table , relegation , seasons in championship etc.. If thats your yardstick for how good we are now then thats ur choice. I rather think of the better team we have had and use that as mines. And we are currently so far away from those sides .,

[Coco Bryce]

Pre covid I’d be at Easter Road , hail , rain or shine.

Now pretty selective but no no chance of giving up on my season ticket. Will probs become a regular attender again after the Jan. window.

Are you hopeful Covid will be eradicated by the end of the January window?

[inglisavhibs]

Brought up on a diet of teams led by the likes of Bob Shankly, Willie McFarlane
and Eddie Turnbull, it came as a bit of a shock to the system from the break up up the Tornadoes, through the late 70s and onwards. I certainly lost my mojo and felt we only really got back to being entertained when Tony Mowbray came along and inherited the fledgling golden generation.

I’m not going to claim JR has us achieving those dizzy heights but his football is by no means boring. There are very flat periods in games but his team are also capable of some excellent football. It’s all a bit Kevin Nisbet though, it never produces for a whole game and sometimes never gets going at all.

Personally I don’t see that as JR’s fault. Clearly the players know what’s required and are capable. Just seems they give up trying when stuff doesn’t come off. Right now JR has the “Get out of Jail Free Card” of the perceived Mathie failings in the transfer market. It is notoriously difficult to do meaningful business in the January transfer window so I give it until next summer before I join the JR bandwagon of decent.
You missed out the Latapy, Mixu team when we overspent by a long way.

[lucky]

Just read through the six pages of this thread and Hibs board should do too. People forget how easy it is to fall out of the habit of going to games. I’ve not been all season and never renewed my ST. I’ve just got other priorities in my life. I still take in games online or on TV but it’s no longer the be all and end all. Pre covid I was home and away but increasing work pressures and choosing to spend time with my family just got me out of the habit of going.

JR is a safe pair of hands but the style of football isn’t swashbuckling but in the 40+ years of watching Hibs it very rarely has been. I do believe the blanket coverage of the EPL has distorted peoples views of how football should be played, the standard in the Scottish Premiership is nowhere near the EPL but too many coaches just copy the formations with players that can’t play to a high standard. Hibs play with two holding midfielders, why? The game now seems to be not about wining but ensuring you don’t lose. Aberdeen fans got bored of the football under McInnes but they were successful in finishing higher up the league, they only won 1 cup, and eventually the fans had enough.

Hibs fans are voting with their feet, we’ve done well to shift the 17500 League Cup Final tickets but there is no buzz about it. Hibs have become a chore for so many fans and once you stop going it becomes difficult to get motivated to start going back every week.

[bingo70]

But are they then watching it on TV. Most people I know that didn’t go to the last few game still watched it on TV. Covid has created that habit of staying in rather than going to the games no matter what. The style of football is nowhere near as bad as some are staying and way better than the most of the recent seasons.

Not most of the people I know.

A couple were.

[Chorley Hibee]

You'll be back when we're winning :aok:

You're not getting it are you.

I'm a diehard who doesn't miss games home or away, so you're patronising attempt at thinking you're better than me, or any other Hibee, is way off the mark.

I've lived through the crap times, but this time there are different things to consider:

1. I'm a husband and a father who now has to justify the ridiculous outlay I make every week to follow a team that I find boring most of the time.

2. I work 6 days a week most weeks, and have to justify my only day off following this turgid crap whilst spending most of the day away from my wife and daughter.

3. The cost of football at ER is shocking, and the performances that we've become accustomed to will do nothing towards helping crowds at these prices.

4. I've become tired of the perpetual nature of Hibs as a club. Our inherent ability to fail to build on periods of success, and instead allow ourselves to sink back into the mediocrity that has pervaded ER throughout most of my 35 years following them, has finally reached the proverbial line in the sand for me.

5. Football isn't what it used to be, and the old guard need to remember that a younger generation of fan won't accept what we've done previously. It's an entertainment industry, and Jack Ross and Hibs are anything but that.

[The Spaceman]

We need to scrap 100% televised game coverage for stay at home season ticket holders.

I say this as a ST holder who watched the Motherwell game yesterday from my sofa. It was far too easy with the traffic and weather to make a decision not to go.

[Nicho87]

My wife is 7 months pregnant and unvaccinated I didn’t renew this year because of that.

I have been to a handful of games this season. Would renew next season but having 4 year old and 6 month old by that point I think my bags would be packed for me when I get back home.

Priorities and health for me just now.

[mutley]

I would have loved to be in my seat , but currently deployed on operations.

Hopefully home for Xmas

[CentreLine]

You missed out the Latapy, Mixu team when we overspent by a long way.

😖good point. Fantastic times and all too short

[Bridge hibs]

Ive simply fallen out of love with hibs, that to many might sound strange but I just dont have that feel or urge to motivate myself to go now. I dont know whether its the football on show or whatever but my appetite has just gone

Ive been a season ticket holder since I was in my teens and in those days nothing would stop me going to games, home and away I was there regardless of how we were performing or what league we were in, now I can take it or leave it, more leaving it than taking it sadly and now more likely will not renew for next season, that is also down to work too though

I dont have any other interests outside of hibs, I dont golf, play bowls or hit the snooker clubs, the thought of that is actually worse 🤣

I want to love hibs again, I need that mojo back, I want to get exited about hibs again, but right now, thats a long way off

Just the way I feel sadly 😔

[MWHIBBIES]

One of the poorest posts I've seen which comes across as an immature teenager with no life perspective. People have many other responsibilities in life and the cost of football is prohibitively high so can't simply dedicate their lives to following their team. Like it or not football is an entertainment for most people and not some gang-like identity. I have two young kids and am now taking my eldest (which costs a lot) and we have to make a big sacrifice in terms of time to go. I enjoyed yesterday's game but its not much fun taking a 7 year old along to the game when its cold, the game is flat and atmosphere poisonous.

If Hibs want to grow then they have to somehow get back on an upward trajectory. It's tough with the glass ceiling in Scottish football but Hibs need to be attracting as many fans as possible. If we start losing fans it will damage the club.



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I'm clearly not speaking about those who have other responsibilities. I'm talking about those moaning aboit style of play etc.

Hibs are in a cup final and a good 10 days coming up will see us top 5, top 4. If we do that. Folk will come flooding back. It's always some big dramatic paragraphs on here with all the negative buzz words and clichés. Win the next 4 matches and this would be on course for one of our best seasons in history. To act like we're miles away and the club is in some crisis is just nonsense. 3 of those matches are against sides we usually beat and are well below us, in quality and the table.

[Crunchie]

You're not getting it are you.

I'm a diehard who doesn't miss games home or away, so you're patronising attempt at thinking you're better than me, or any other Hibee, is way off the mark.

I've lived through the crap times, but this time there are different things to consider:

1. I'm a husband and a father who now has to justify the ridiculous outlay I make every week to follow a team that I find boring most of the time.

2. I work 6 days a week most weeks, and have to justify my only day off following this turgid crap whilst spending most of the day away from my wife and daughter.

3. The cost of football at ER is shocking, and the performances that we've become accustomed to will do nothing towards helping crowds at these prices.

4. I've become tired of the perpetual nature of Hibs as a club. Our inherent ability to fail to build on periods of success, and instead allow ourselves to sink back into the mediocrity that has pervaded ER throughout most of my 35 years following them, has finally reached the proverbial line in the sand for me.

5. Football isn't what it used to be, and the old guard need to remember that a younger generation of fan won't accept what we've done previously. It's an entertainment industry, and Jack Ross and Hibs are anything but that.
I stopped reading at turgid crap, which could probably sum up the rest of your post. If you want entertaining football every game you've been supporting the wrong team all your life.

[Eyrie]

I can't make midweek games, so yesterday would have been my only game this month.

But with other things going on (postponed family get together finally happening today, important meeting on Wednesday), I decided that sitting in the cold for a couple of hours wasn't a sensible move when I could watch at home instead. The first half made that a sensible decision, although the second half was much better.

I'll be back when I can, and will renew next season.

[Itsnoteasy]

This generation don't know what it's like to consistently watch dull boring football, ask the guys who suffered through the late 70s, late 80s and you might get an idea. There was no such thing as I'm not going we're boring to watch, you went that was it.
Be very careful what you wish for and enjoy these many Hampden visits you can, they were very much a rarity in my day.

There must have been a huge element of I'm not going due to this or that. As most weeks in the early 80's Hibs were lucky to see crowds of 5K.

[Pretty Boy]

See when people describe our performances as turgid do they know what turgid actually means or does it just sound right?

I could say plenty about the current style but distended, bombastic and pompous probably wouldn't feature. The games earlier this season against Dundee Utd and Aberdeen I think torpid would fit better. Games like yesterday neither fit, unless turgid suddenly means 'lacking a creative spark'.

[The Modfather]

I'm clearly not speaking about those who have other responsibilities. I'm talking about those moaning aboit style of play etc.

Hibs are in a cup final and a good 10 days coming up will see us top 5, top 4. If we do that. Folk will come flooding back. It's always some big dramatic paragraphs on here with all the negative buzz words and clichés. Win the next 4 matches and this would be on course for one of our best seasons in history. To act like we're miles away and the club is in some crisis is just nonsense. 3 of those matches are against sides we usually beat and are well below us, in quality and the table.

Winning the cup might have the same kind of transformational effect as it did last time. Climbing back up the league, in itself, won’t address the longstanding concerns/criticism a sizeable portion of the support have. I didn’t enjoy last season and don’t look back on it with any real fondness. Finishing 3rd again would be an achievement, but doesn’t automatically equate to being an enjoyable season for me. Ross has been here long enough now to embed his ideas and style, I don’t think I’ll ever particularly enjoy his preferred style.

[Chorley Hibee]

I stopped reading at turgid crap, which could probably sum up the rest of your post. If you want entertaining football every game you've been supporting the wrong team all your life.

You've far too high an opinion of yourself.

So because it's nearly always been bad then we should all just accept it?

It's that mentality that has held this club back for years.

[Stick]

My thoughts for what it’s worth. Season ticket holder, only missed 2 games this season and in late 60’s. A 2 hour drive door to door. Didn’t attend yesterday for 2 reasons, firstly it was Baltic and I didn’t fancy sitting for almost 2 hours in the freezing cold. Then at my last game I was anxious about the number of people that were in the common areas without wearing a mask, this combined with the spread of the new covid variant made my decision easy. Don’t usually pay much attention to the size of the crowd but watching on tv it was obviously the lowest attendance for a long time. Is this really a trend or just an occasional blimp that does happen now and again, especially at this time of year. The football isn’t great I admit but watching hibs for many decades I’m used to this and know it could improve at any time.
I will possibly be back for the next game depending on the weather, maybe not if the covid situation doesn’t improve. For the folk that are criticising people like me can I ask, do you always wear your mask when you are asked to?, if not then you are part of the reason that people like me are hesitant to attend. Also the older you get the more that summer football becomes appealing.

[Chorley Hibee]

See when people describe our performances as turgid do they know what turgid actually means or does it just sound right?

I could say plenty about the current style but distended, bombastic and pompous probably wouldn't feature. The games earlier this season against Dundee Utd and Aberdeen I think torpid would fit better. Games like yesterday neither fit, unless turgid suddenly means 'lacking a creative spark'.

Another one who thinks he's better than the average Hibs fan.

Turgid is also a synonym for laboured and ponderous, two words I'd have no problem in attaching to Hibs at present.

Given your elevated position in the Hibs supporter hierarchy then I'd thought you'd have known that.

[Keith_M]

Winning the cup might have the same kind of transformational effect as it did last time. Climbing back up the league, in itself, won’t address the longstanding concerns/criticism a sizeable portion of the support have. I didn’t enjoy last season and don’t look back on it with any real fondness. Finishing 3rd again would be an achievement, but doesn’t automatically equate to being an enjoyable season for me. Ross has been here long enough now to embed his ideas and style, I don’t think I’ll ever particularly enjoy his preferred style.


I can't say I enjoyed last season either, what with being restricted to sitting in front of my laptop watching the games being played out in empty stadiums.

I enjoyed it a lot more when we got back into the stadium, especially earlier in the season when the results were a bit better.

I can see that initial excitement, with the odd exception, has worn off quite a bit for a lot of people, though, especially after our run of four* consecutive defeats.




* Four, as in an 'every game counts' perspective.

[Pretty Boy]

Another one who thinks he's better than the average Hibs fan.

Turgid is also a synonym for laboured and ponderous, two words I'd have no problem in attaching to Hibs at present.

Given your elevated position in the Hibs supporter hierarchy then I'd have thought you'd have known that.

Better than the average Hibs fan? Elevated position in the hierarchy? Have you actually read my posts on this thread, elsewhere since yesterday or in recent weeks about this Hibs team?

I think we a get it. You're really furious about this Hibs team. If lashing out at me and others makes you feel better then fine. It's not going to change anything though.

[Crunchie]

There must have been a huge element of I'm not going due to this or that. As most weeks in the early 80's Hibs were lucky to see crowds of 5K.
We always pulled in a big crowd for the big games, but yes the core support wasn't that high.

[Chorley Hibee]

Better than the average Hibs fan? Elevated position in the hierarchy? Have you actually read my posts on this thread, elsewhere since yesterday or in recent weeks about this Hibs team?

I think we a get it. You're really furious about this Hibs team. If lashing out at me and others makes you feel better then fine. It's not going to change anything though.

Apologies, my comments were directed at the wrong person, they shouldn't have been for yourself.

However, I stand by my use of the word turgid and its meaning in relation to Hibs.

[Crunchie]

Apologies, my comments were directed at the wrong person, they shouldn't have been for yourself.

However, I stand by my use of the word turgid and its meaning in relation to Hibs.
Turgid could easily describe how we played late 70's through the 80s, but now? Not a chance.

[Pretty Boy]

Apologies, my comments were directed at the wrong person, they shouldn't have been for yourself.

However, I stand by my use of the word turgid and its meaning in relation to Hibs.

:aok:

[greenlex]

Apologies, my comments were directed at the wrong person, they shouldn't have been for yourself.

However, I stand by my use of the word turgid and its meaning in relation to Hibs.
We’re two wins of games in hand from being two points off hearts in third. Not bad for a turgid team. Our form took a dip for a bit but by and large we’ve been at it since our enforced break. This place is ****ing mental at times. This team and the manager deserve better than some fans are giving them.

[Pagan Hibernia]

In a somewhat trend-bucking turn of events I’ve never been a season ticket holder but will be buying one for the first time next season. Looking forward to it.

[Crunchie]

Another one who thinks he's better than the average Hibs fan.

Turgid is also a synonym for laboured and ponderous, two words I'd have no problem in attaching to Hibs at present.

Given your elevated position in the Hibs supporter hierarchy then I'd thought you'd have known that.
I'll let you into a secret but keep it to yourself, I've not been to a game for a while now. Nothing to do with the style of play though :aok:

[Crunchie]

In a somewhat trend-bucking turn of events I’ve never been a season ticket holder but will be buying one for the first time next season. Looking forward to it.
People like yourself will always come along to replace us old fogies :aok: Hopefully happy times ahead my friend.

[ABZHFC]

Thanks to Hibs' absurd walk-up pricing, it is still more cost effective to buy a season ticket with a payment plan and miss several games. This is a stupid system that even 10 years ago wasn't in place, it is time to make all fans pay the same for a game, regardless of whether they have a season ticket or not, simple as that. End the rip-off pricing structure that has been brought in place

[BoomtownHibees]

I'll let you into a secret but keep it to yourself, I've not been to a game for a while now. Nothing to do with the style of play though :aok:

Not going to games seems to be a familiar trend for a few on here who think we are better than what we actually are

[greenlex]

Thanks to Hibs' absurd walk-up pricing, it is still more cost effective to buy a season ticket with a payment plan and miss several games. This is a stupid system that even 10 years ago wasn't in place, it is time to make all fans pay the same for a game, regardless of whether they have a season ticket or not, simple as that. End the rip-off pricing structure that has been brought in place
I’m filing this under nonsense. It’s the season ticket holders that were missing that’s the talking point. The crowd was announced as 15k plus. I’m not sure how many season ticket holders we have but it’s nowhere near 15 plus so walk ups are still attending for the most part. Season ticket sales are the lifeblood. Let’s you budget better. They can easily watch the game in now in the comfort of their home. It’s getting an easier decision to make for quite a lot it seems for various reasons.

[ABZHFC]

Yeah. If this is all it takes for folk to stop, they've definitely not been going 50 years. Duffy, yogi, Williamson, sauzee, calderwood. Butcher. Fenlon, hecky, Miller etc would've had them running for the hills.

Ross is klopp compared to most we've had.

"It's the economy, stupid!"

(You're not stupid, but I'm just pointing out that the reason fans feel short-changed is because the board are absolutely fleecing us senseless. At least the prices were more reasonable when you were watching the ***** in years gone by that you've mentioned

[ABZHFC]

I’m filing this under nonsense. It’s the season ticket holders that were missing that’s the talking point. The crowd was announced as 15k plus. I’m not sure how many season ticket holders we have but it’s nowhere near 15 plus so walk ups are still attending for the most part. Season ticket sales are the lifeblood. Let’s you budget better.

Aye, and I am saying that the fact they're missing doesn't even concern the club, because they have their money already. It is a stupid system that didn't exist 10 years ago, but now is classed as utterly essential. Load of nonsense, reduce prices across the board and encourage fans to go, don't charge £26-£28 in almost all the seats for games like Motherwell at home, ****ing simple as that

[greenlex]

Aye, and I am saying that the fact they're missing doesn't even concern the club, because they have their money already. It is a stupid system that didn't exist 10 years ago, but now is classed as utterly essential. Load of nonsense, reduce prices across the board and encourage fans to go, don't charge £26-£28 in almost all the seats for games like Motherwell at home, ****ing simple as that
Aye I’m sure the club are not concerned in the slightest and they’re probably laughing at us. My point is however walk ups are attending at those prices so your argument isnt really holding up.

[Steven79]

Aye I’m sure the club are not concerned in the slightest and they’re probably laughing at us. My point is however walk ups are attending at those prices so your argument isnt really holding up.

Not enough because of the prices and performances...

[ABZHFC]

Aye I’m sure the club are not concerned in the slightest and they’re probably laughing at us. My point is however walk ups are attending at those prices so your argument isnt really holding up.

I don't believe walk-ups are even attending in some cases, yesterday's game was part of the '5-match package', I have no doubt that some folk bought that and didn't go yesterday. I refuse to believe there genuinely were 3,000 Hibs walk-ups actually in seats yesterday

[BoomtownHibees]

Aye, and I am saying that the fact they're missing doesn't even concern the club, because they have their money already. It is a stupid system that didn't exist 10 years ago, but now is classed as utterly essential. Load of nonsense, reduce prices across the board and encourage fans to go, don't charge £26-£28 in almost all the seats for games like Motherwell at home, ****ing simple as that

Are you saying season tickets didn’t exist 10 years ago?

[greenlex]

Not enough because of the prices and performances...
plenty there yesterday.

[ABZHFC]

Are you saying season tickets didn’t exist 10 years ago?

No, it cost the same to be a walk-up for every home game over the course of a campaign as it did to be a season ticket holder, the way it should be

[Allant1981]

No, it cost the same to be a walk-up for every home game over the course of a campaign as it did to be a season ticket holder, the way it should be

Did it? I always thought it was cheaper getting a season ticket

[greenlex]

No, it cost the same to be a walk-up for every home game over the course of a campaign as it did to be a season ticket holder, the way it should be
I’ve been a season ticket holder for donkeys. I think it’s always been cheaper for the course of the whole season. It’s never been a driver for me to be honest.

[B.H.F.C]

Did it? I always thought it was cheaper getting a season ticket

Always has been as far as I can remember. And it should be, needs to be some kind of incentive to part with the cash up front.

[MWHIBBIES]

"It's the economy, stupid!"

(You're not stupid, but I'm just pointing out that the reason fans feel short-changed is because the board are absolutely fleecing us senseless. At least the prices were more reasonable when you were watching the ***** in years gone by that you've mentioned
Money is a perfectly good reason not to go. It doesn't apply to season ticket holders really though.

[ABZHFC]

Did it? I always thought it was cheaper getting a season ticket

100%, I remember because when loyalty points were first introduced there was anger about season ticket holders getting more points, and it was pointed out that a walk-up who bought a ticket for every home game put an identical amount of money into the club as a season ticket holder

[lord bunberry]

This really reminds me of the mixu era. I was one of those who wanted him sacked, he duly got the boot and it’s was downhill all the way to relegation. I will never make that mistake again, Ross needs to be backed in the next window and fans need to realise that Ross isn’t going anywhere because hibs have never sacked a manager while we’re in such a healthy position. We need to be careful what we wish for in this situation. What I will agree with is that he needs to change the way we’re playing at home as it isn’t working as well as it does when we’re away from home. He needs different formations and players when we’re at home because results have been poor.

[Allant1981]

100%, I remember because when loyalty points were first introduced there was anger about season ticket holders getting more points, and it was pointed out that a walk-up who bought a ticket for every home game put an identical amount of money into the club as a season ticket holder


I could have sworn a season ticket was always a bit cheaper, every season ive had one ive paid a bit less

[Hermit Crab]

Turned up yesterday and was freezing cold, went for a piss and missed the goal. Tried to get a coffee but they don't take cash and I didn't have a bank card so I left and was back in the boozer before halftime. No regrets.

[blackpoolhibs]

Times maybe have changed though.

You’re absolutely right, things have been a lot worse, so have attendances though.

If we continue with a playing brand of football that isn’t appealing to the masses then you will be right but surrounded by about 8,000 people at Easter Road. If we want to get crowds of around 15,000 then we need to offer better entertainment.

The fact it used to be much worse is neither here nor there to the current generation, or even the older generation who went through these tougher times but have now had their head turned by other things to do on a Saturday afternoon.

Miserable people moaning like buggery not attending football because it makes them miserable, let them find something else to do on a Saturday.

Football is not an exact science, we are building a team here, but because we are not winning every week, the moaners want it all ripped up and started again.

Dont worry though, they will all be back when Jack has built his side of flame throwing jugglers, and acrobats to entertain them, but miserable once more when he's poached by a bigger club. :wink:

[B.H.F.C]

This really reminds me of the mixu era. I was one of those who wanted him sacked, he duly got the boot and it’s was downhill all the way to relegation. I will never make that mistake again, Ross needs to be backed in the next window and fans need to realise that Ross isn’t going anywhere because hibs have never sacked a manager while we’re in such a healthy position. We need to be careful what we wish for in this situation. What I will agree with is that he needs to change the way we’re playing at home as it isn’t working as well as it does when we’re away from home. He needs different formations and players when we’re at home because results have been poor.

We qualified for Europe the season after he got sacked, in fairness.

[lord bunberry]

We qualified for Europe the season after he got sacked, in fairness.
A brief highlight and considering our form in the second half of that season it was a miracle we held on to qualify.

[B.H.F.C]

Miserable people moaning like buggery not attending football because it makes them miserable, let them find something else to do on a Saturday.

Football is not an exact science, we are building a team here, but because we are not winning every week, the moaners want it all ripped up and started again.

Dont worry though, they will all be back when Jack has built his side of flame throwing jugglers, and acrobats to entertain them, but miserable once more when he's poached by a bigger club. :wink:

Most of the folk moaning seem to be people who do actually go. Most of the ‘debates’ I have on here where I have with people telling me it’s all good tend to be with people who don't.

We’ll never build anything if we take the ‘let them do something else’ approach. Certainly doesn’t fit with Ron’s grand plan.

[B.H.F.C]

A brief highlight and considering our form in the second half of that season it was a miracle we held on to qualify.

We did improve initially though. We’ve rarely got rid of a manager who is doing a good job. We just had a period of pretty questionable appointments.

[Stuart93]

Miserable people moaning like buggery not attending football because it makes them miserable, let them find something else to do on a Saturday.

Football is not an exact science, we are building a team here, but because we are not winning every week, the moaners want it all ripped up and started again.

Dont worry though, they will all be back when Jack has built his side of flame throwing jugglers, and acrobats to entertain them, but miserable once more when he's poached by a bigger club. :wink:

“Not winning every week” come off it. Our only previous win before St Johnstone in the league was 28th of August. We’re now into December.

This isn’t just people overreacting because we aren’t winning every week. It’s people reacting to one win in eight league games.

[BoltonHibee]

I have 2 season tickets at ER. I’ve not been to a Hibs game since Hibs v Hearts on 3rd March 2020.

The thought of driving up or getting on a train to watch Hibs just doesn’t appeal to me at the moment. I cannot stand watching this team under Jack Ross.

Not sure I’ll be back anytime soon and although the seats I have in the East are great, I seriously doubt I’ll renew again while he’s around.


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[lord bunberry]

We did improve initially though. We’ve rarely got rid of a manager who is doing a good job. We just had a period of pretty questionable appointments.
Some of the appointments were downright ridiculous. It worries me that we could end up doing the same again and then look back at this period and wonder what we were thinking about getting rid of Ross.

[hibeerealist]

This really reminds me of the mixu era. I was one of those who wanted him sacked, he duly got the boot and it’s was downhill all the way to relegation. I will never make that mistake again, Ross needs to be backed in the next window and fans need to realise that Ross isn’t going anywhere because hibs have never sacked a manager while we’re in such a healthy position. We need to be careful what we wish for in this situation. What I will agree with is that he needs to change the way we’re playing at home as it isn’t working as well as it does when we’re away from home. He needs different formations and players when we’re at home because results have been poor.

and if he doesn’t ?

[Chorley Hibee]

Some of the appointments were downright ridiculous. It worries me that we could end up doing the same again and then look back at this period and wonder what we were thinking about getting rid of Ross.

Fear of appointing a worse manager shouldn't be an excuse to retain an under-performing one.

At some point that gamble has to be taken otherwise malaise sets in.

If the people responsible for appointing managers keep getting it wrong then their position should be under scrutiny too.

[matty_f]

Did it? I always thought it was cheaper getting a season ticket

It’s always been cheaper to get a season ticket. As it should be.

[MWHIBBIES]

I have 2 season tickets at ER. I’ve not been to a Hibs game since Hibs v Hearts on 3rd March 2020.

The thought of driving up or getting on a train to watch Hibs just doesn’t appeal to me at the moment. I cannot stand watching this team under Jack Ross.

Not sure I’ll be back anytime soon and although the seats I have in the East are great, I seriously doubt I’ll renew again while he’s around.


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Utterly baffling. Imagine if we actually played bad football.

You missed a fantastic day at the semi final mate.

[matty_f]

You've far too high an opinion of yourself.

So because it's nearly always been bad then we should all just accept it?

It's that mentality that has held this club back for years.

Can you explain how that mentality has held us back? Out of all the factors that have stopped us romping the league and cups, i would think the thinking behind that post ranks so low as to be insignificant.

[Dashing Bob S]

We can go on all we like about loyalty, getting behind the team, and exciting football, but basically average teams tend to get average attendances. Right now we are slightly below average according to the league table. Sadly that’s the harsh reality of it.

[Hermit Crab]

We are just *****. Our last 2 wins in the league have been against st johnstone and both times we played part of the match against 10 men. We have been awful in all the other games. JR is not turning this around. Massive 3 games before the final. We need to avoid defeat in all of them. He will be away after the final as I don't think he'd get emptied before then.

[BoltonHibee]

Utterly baffling. Imagine if we actually played bad football.

You missed a fantastic day at the semi final mate.

Great game, but too few and far between for me.


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[WhileTheChief..]

So still didnt start pedestrian then as suggested by the poster, we had loads of chances to score in the 2nd half, if thats not enough to get fans going then nothing will

Don’t take everything quite so literally.

If I could be arsed, I’d go back and change my post to say ‘nearly always’.

[Logie Green]

Money is a perfectly good reason not to go. It doesn't apply to season ticket holders really though.

It might if the prices for next season go up like ‘walk up’ prices have.

[Hibs90]

This is nothing like those guys. They wish they were mediocre. Couldn't care less if crowds dwindle. You'll all come back if we win something, just like 2016. Great thing about fickle fans, only takes a trophy.

'Look at me, look at me I'm a super fan'.

I know people who have went to EVERY single game home and away and in Europe. League, Cups, Friendlies the lot and even they are bored out of their skulls at watching Hibs just now.


This generation don't know what it's like to consistently watch dull boring football, ask the guys who suffered through the late 70s, late 80s and you might get an idea. There was no such thing as I'm not going we're boring to watch, you went that was it.
Be very careful what you wish for and enjoy these many Hampden visits you can, they were very much a rarity in my day.

This generation do full well know what it's like to watch dull boring football. Times have moved on since then and there are lots more things to do at 3pm on a Saturday that they can easily go do instead.


I'm clearly not speaking about those who have other responsibilities. I'm talking about those moaning aboit style of play etc.

Hibs are in a cup final and a good 10 days coming up will see us top 5, top 4. If we do that. Folk will come flooding back. It's always some big dramatic paragraphs on here with all the negative buzz words and clichés. Win the next 4 matches and this would be on course for one of our best seasons in history. To act like we're miles away and the club is in some crisis is just nonsense. 3 of those matches are against sides we usually beat and are well below us, in quality and the table.

Hypothetical. What if we fail to win the next few, lose the cup final? Will you still firmly be a super fan?


Not going to games seems to be a familiar trend for a few on here who think we are better than what we actually are

Correct.

[WhileTheChief..]

Can you explain how that mentality has held us back? Out of all the factors that have stopped us romping the league and cups, i would think the thinking behind that post ranks so low as to be insignificant.

I’ll give it a bash.

If a fanbase is more demanding, like the Old Firm for example, the board listen to them and take action.

If we do nothing but keep turning up and seeing defeats there is no pressure on the board to act.

You see it all the time. When fans turn on the board, the board generally know it’s time to make the change. So, if collectively we all think things are fine, the board will too and we’ll just bob along as we are.

If 13k fans were singing Ross must go at a few games on the bounce, he’d be out. I don’t think we’re there yet, but lose the cup final and derby and I think we will be.

That’s my take on the problem of fans accepting mediocrity. Others will have their own view.

[Sir David Gray]

No, it cost the same to be a walk-up for every home game over the course of a campaign as it did to be a season ticket holder, the way it should be

That's definitely not correct - at least not in the last 27 years when I've been going to games anyway.

The cost effectiveness of a season ticket has increased this season, you now need to miss 5 home games before paying every week becomes worthwhile. I believe previously it was maybe 2 or 3 but a season ticket has always been financially worthwhile if you go every week.

[Scouse Hibee]

It’s always been cheaper to get a season ticket. As it should be.

Technically yes but as soon as you have to miss a game or two that saving is lost as opposed to being a walk up. Not that I’m complaining, I have a ST and haven’t made a game all season due to work commitments, will likely be that the game on 3rd Jan is the only one I make this season so an expensive game!

[Chorley Hibee]

Can you explain how that mentality has held us back? Out of all the factors that have stopped us romping the league and cups, i would think the thinking behind that post ranks so low as to be insignificant.

It's a mentality that at best sees us stand still as a club, or at worst deteriorate even further.

Extended contracts for the likes Stevenson, Hanlon, Gray, McGregor based on nothing but sentimentality.

Repeated failure in European qualifying rounds because we've not prepared accordingly.

**** loan signings to cover up our inadequate transfer window.

Successive failures to win trophies when better opportunities have seldom been had.

Years of being outperformed by the likes of St Johnstone and Motherwell.

3 years in the Championship.

Desperate January windows to correct earlier inaction.

Perhaps I'm just tired of watching the same story pan out time and again.

[WhileTheChief..]

It’s an age old question. If we had a swashbuckling sure that wasn’t winning too often would we get more fans going than if we had a winning side that wasn’t at it all the time? My guess is if we were winning more often than not we would see more fans. I don’t think Covid has helped. It’s easy not to go especially when the weathers crap and as a season ticket holder you can just watch it on the box. Lots of us are creatures of habit and that habit has been replaced by the armchair.

The crowds were still decent in the last few months of Lennon’s time here.

What was it, 1 win in 12 or something, yet folk still went to ER and at least there was a decent atmosphere despite the results.

[ABZHFC]

That's definitely not correct - at least not in the last 27 years when I've been going to games anyway.

The cost effectiveness of a season ticket has increased this season, you now need to miss 5 home games before paying every week becomes worthwhile. I believe previously it was maybe 2 or 3 but a season ticket has always been financially worthwhile if you go every week.

Honestly mate, maybe my mind is playing tricks on me, but I'm near certain that in the relegation season under Butcher it cost the same to do walk-ups as it did to have a season ticket. Maybe the exception to this was Category A games costing a wee bit more, so I guess it possibly did work out ever so slightly cheaper to have an ST, but I really think the vast differences in season ticket/walk-up prices only really came about during our second season back in the top flight. Prior to that, the balance was much fairer, and I say that as a long-term season ticket holder

[greenlex]

We are just *****. Our last 2 wins in the league have been against st johnstone and both times we played part of the match against 10 men. We have been awful in all the other games. JR is not turning this around. Massive 3 games before the final. We need to avoid defeat in all of them. He will be away after the final as I don't think he'd get emptied before then.
Stay away. It’s that simple. While your at it maybe best you stay off here too. Im worried about you.

[mcfly]

Miserable people moaning like buggery not attending football because it makes them miserable, let them find something else to do on a Saturday.

Football is not an exact science, we are building a team here, but because we are not winning every week, the moaners want it all ripped up and started again.

Dont worry though, they will all be back when Jack has built his side of flame throwing jugglers, and acrobats to entertain them, but miserable once more when he's poached by a bigger club. :wink:

Poached by a bigger club 🤣🤣 🎣🎣

[green day]

When you listen to people on the radio post match yesterday, they were talking Hibs up, that we have good players, are playing well, and that there is no pressure on the manager internally, blah blah blah...........

However these guys - Kenny Millar, Mikey Stewart - are not watching us regularly at Easter Road.

As Hermit mentions elsewhere, the last 2 games we won in the league have been against 10 men. We seem to have very little cutting edge up front - maybe that will be helped by the return of Doidge?

But basically its rubbish going to ER at the moment. I laugh when I hear Ron talking of the fan experience. Frankly I (and I reckon most fans) dont care what the pies or the big screens are like as long as we are winning some games, playing decent football.

No doubt I will renew when the time comes, out of loyalty or something................but this is simply not fun, in fact most of the time its boring, boring boring and I dont really know why I bother.

I can fully understand why some people will look for other things to do with their £400 each year.

[The Modfather]

Miserable people moaning like buggery not attending football because it makes them miserable, let them find something else to do on a Saturday.

Football is not an exact science, we are building a team here, but because we are not winning every week, the moaners want it all ripped up and started again.

Dont worry though, they will all be back when Jack has built his side of flame throwing jugglers, and acrobats to entertain them, but miserable once more when he's poached by a bigger club. :wink:

What do you mean by rip it up and start again? We’ve got the core of the team on long term contracts. I’ve always argued the case that Ross has built very good foundations. I’m not always sure he has, or is, getting as much out of those foundations as he should. The next man would inherit a good job and a good, if imbalanced, squad as his starting point. I remember Mowbray coming in and almost overnight changing the style with the same players.

Ross might well still be the best man for the job, I’m far from convinced. We replaced Butcher with Stubbs, and Heckingbottom with Ross. Ross is one of the better managers we’ve had and has laid the foundations I’m just not convinced he’s the best man to then take advantage of what he’s built. He’s a decent manager but replaceable IMO.

[greenlex]

When you listen to people on the radio post match yesterday, they were talking Hibs up, that we have good players, are playing well, and that there is no pressure on the manager internally, blah blah blah...........

However these guys - Kenny Millar, Mikey Stewart - are not watching us regularly at Easter Road.

As Hermit mentions elsewhere, the last 2 games we won in the league have been against 10 men. We seem to have very little cutting edge up front - maybe that will be helped by the return of Doidge?

But basically its rubbish going to ER at the moment. I laugh when I hear Ron talking of the fan experience. Frankly I (and I reckon most fans) dont care what the pies or the big screens are like as long as we are winning some games, playing decent football.

No doubt I will renew when the time comes, out of loyalty or something................but this is simply not fun, in fact most of the time its boring, boring boring and I dont really know why I bother.

I can fully understand why some people will look for other things to do with their £400 each year.
We were already ahead in the first one with the sending of relatively late and the other was the game last week up in Perth. Anyone saying or implying we only won either of them because we had the extra man advantage are just plain wrong.

[matty_f]

I’ll give it a bash.

If a fanbase is more demanding, like the Old Firm for example, the board listen to them and take action.

If we do nothing but keep turning up and seeing defeats there is no pressure on the board to act.

You see it all the time. When fans turn on the board, the board generally know it’s time to make the change. So, if collectively we all think things are fine, the board will too and we’ll just bob along as we are.

If 13k fans were singing Ross must go at a few games on the bounce, he’d be out. I don’t think we’re there yet, but lose the cup final and derby and I think we will be.

That’s my take on the problem of fans accepting mediocrity. Others will have their own view.

We’ve been through tons of managers though, so boards have acted. I don’t think that point stands up to any scrutiny whatsoever.

[WhileTheChief..]

I can’t think of a time we sacked our manager when he wasn’t under pressure form the fans?

Doesn’t that back up my point?

[Hermit Crab]

We were already ahead in the first one with the sending of relatively late and the other was the game last week up in Perth. Anyone saying or implying we only won either of them because we had the extra man advantage are just plain wrong.


We only won in Perth because we were playing v 10 men.

[MWHIBBIES]

I can’t think of a time we sacked our manager when he wasn’t under pressure form the fans?

Doesn’t that back up my point?

Duh

I can't think of a time we sacked a manager who finished 3rd and reached 4 semis, 2 finals in 2 years.

Doesn't that back up my point?

[greenlex]

We only won in Perth because we were playing v 10 men.
Absolute rubbish. It may have helped the amount of pressure we applied but wasn’t the reason.

[Hibs90]

Duh

I can't think of a time we sacked a manager who finished 3rd and reached 4 semis, 2 finals in 2 years.

Doesn't that back up my point?

And what do we have to show for it?

**** all. One 3rd place finish. Amazing. Ross must stay forever.