Newcastle

[SHODAN]

Looks like Saudi Arabia have managed to get a workaround on a potential takeover by naming a consortium as the "official" owners.

This could easily turn Newcastle into the next PSG, but the ethical implications are pretty nauseating.

[Since90+2]

Looks like Saudi Arabia have managed to get a workaround on a potential takeover by naming a consortium as the "official" owners.

This could easily turn Newcastle into the next PSG, but the ethical implications are pretty nauseating.

They won't be able turn them into PSG as the world's best players, in particular those from South America and southern Europe, won't want to live in Newcastle.

It's one thing chucking loads of money at a guy who's already earning a fortune to come and live and work in Paris, it's another thing entirely to get them to Gateshead.

[lord bunberry]

Looks like Saudi Arabia have managed to get a workaround on a potential takeover by naming a consortium as the "official" owners.

This could easily turn Newcastle into the next PSG, but the ethical implications are pretty nauseating.
It goes to show that the EPL are only interested in looking like they have a stringent vetting system for new club owners. Nothing has changed regarding the owners other than a few patsys put up as the frontmen. Like you say it will almost certainly make Newcastle a major player in world football and where the money is coming from will be swept under the carpet.

[Weegreenman]

Be careful what you wish for.

[lord bunberry]

They won't be able turn them into PSG as the world's best players, in particular those from South America and southern Europe, won't want to live in Newcastle.

It's one thing chucking loads of money at a guy who's already earning a fortune to come and live and work in Paris, it's another thing entirely to get them to Gateshead.
Plenty of them go to Manchester. Players will go anywhere if the moneys enough and the team have a chance of winning major silverware.

[gbhibby]

Big offer for John McGinn incoming.

[Magpie]

Chelsea and Man City became very successful once they got the investment. Newcastle will be the same, their owners are worth billions more than anyone else. I don’t think location will matter, money talks.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Do these people have Man City type money? If so, most Geordies won't care who they are.

[Magpie]

Do these people have Man City type money? If so, most Geordies won't care who they are.

Apparently they are worth over £200b more than the city owners.

[DanishJohn]

They won't be able turn them into PSG as the world's best players, in particular those from South America and southern Europe, won't want to live in Newcastle.

It's one thing chucking loads of money at a guy who's already earning a fortune to come and live and work in Paris, it's another thing entirely to get them to Gateshead.

Thing is they never live in Newcastle itself. Northumberland is a fantastic county with some fantastic beaches etc.
If it's the nightlife they are thinking about then I wouldn't want them at my club.

JR lives in Northumberland.

Howay the Lads !!

[Since90+2]

Plenty of them go to Manchester. Players will go anywhere if the moneys enough and the team have a chance of winning major silverware.

The top players in the world, in their prime still don't go to England. They go the opposite way.

Ronaldo, Bale, Modric,,Coutinho, Suarez all examples. Can't really think of many doing vice versa.

How many elite level players in their absolute prime have left elite European clubs like Madrid and Barcelona to love in England? Very very few.

Its far easier to sell the lifestyle and money of Paris as opposed to the lifestyle and money of the north east of England.

[Callyballybe]

The top players in the world, in their prime still don't go to England. They go the opposite way.

Ronaldo, Bale, Modric,,Coutinho, Suarez all examples. Can't really think of many doing vice versa.

How many elite level players in their absolute prime have left elite European clubs like Madrid and Barcelona to love in England? Very very few.

Its far easier to sell the lifestyle and money of Paris as opposed to the lifestyle and money of the north east of England.

Isn't this mainly to do with the fact that the above players were getting, fundamentally, more money with these clubs than they were with their English clubs to begin with? Bale and Ronaldo et al I'm sure were all paid very well with Spurs & Man Utd respectively, but both would have got an increase in pay packet when they moved to Spain. Similarly Messi in his prime would've been on more at Barcelona than what would've been on offer anywhere else.

If Newcastle start offering £400,000 + per week, I'm pretty sure the best names in the business will start going there. Especially now with the significant financial issues Barcelona are dealing with, and to a lesser extent (from what I hear anyway) Real Madrid.

As has been stated by someone else, the 'best of the best' wouldn't necessarily have to stay in Newcastle (not that there is anything wrong with Newcastle I'd like to add.) I'm not sure how many of Man Utd's best actually stay in Manchester. Aren't they all in the leafy suburbs of Cheshire?

[cabbageandribs1875]

do i want money invested in Hibs to compete with the Glasgow sides=Yes

do i want investment in Hibs to buy the best players in football and win the champions league=No

[MagicSwirlingShip]

The top players in the world, in their prime still don't go to England. They go the opposite way.

Ronaldo, Bale, Modric,,Coutinho, Suarez all examples. Can't really think of many doing vice versa.

How many elite level players in their absolute prime have left elite European clubs like Madrid and Barcelona to love in England? Very very few.

Its far easier to sell the lifestyle and money of Paris as opposed to the lifestyle and money of the north east of England.

There’s a huge gap between the standard of player Newcastle have been signing for years and the elite level you mention.

Getting in the right manager will be key.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Apparently they are worth over £200b more than the city owners.

200 billion more. It's just monopoly money, isn't it? Let's get ready for Newcastle dominating for the next few years, until somebody with 200 billion more than them buy a different club...

[ScottB]

It’s wild listening to Newcastle fans and journalists cheering the exit of Ashley, who they hate, but then gushing over the arrival of, well…

[H18 SFR]

The area where Jack Ross lives is minted!

[Since90+2]

Isn't this mainly to do with the fact that the above players were getting, fundamentally, more money with these clubs than they were with their English clubs to begin with? Bale and Ronaldo et al I'm sure were all paid very well with Spurs & Man Utd respectively, but both would have got an increase in pay packet when they moved to Spain. Similarly Messi in his prime would've been on more at Barcelona than what would've been on offer anywhere else.

If Newcastle start offering £400,000 + per week, I'm pretty sure the best names in the business will start going there. Especially now with the significant financial issues Barcelona are dealing with, and to a lesser extent (from what I hear anyway) Real Madrid.

As has been stated by someone else, the 'best of the best' wouldn't necessarily have to stay in Newcastle (not that there is anything wrong with Newcastle I'd like to add.) I'm not sure how many of Man Utd's best actually stay in Manchester. Aren't they all in the leafy suburbs of Cheshire?

I think it's a mixture of both to be honest. Real Madrid and Barcelona are the most glamorous football clubs in the world, and they are undoubtedly bigger than the English clubs IMO.

Madrid signing Ronaldo from Man Utd and Suarez going to Barcelona from Liverpool highlight that. There's no chance whatsoever that the best player from Madrid or Barcelona sign for an English club at the prime of their careers.

Newcastle getting the money will undoubtedly help them improve to another level. I don't think its as easy as saying they have the most money they'll have the best team though.

There is a lot of clubs with a lot of money (appreciate the 2 Spanish clubs are struggling at the moment but that's almost certainly temporary) but you can't buy prestige which certain clubs have and PSG are starting to get (undoubtedly helped by the fact they play in one of the worlds greatest cities).

[Crunchie]

Thing is they never live in Newcastle itself. Northumberland is a fantastic county with some fantastic beaches etc.
If it's the nightlife they are thinking about then I wouldn't want them at my club.

JR lives in Northumberland.

Howay the Lads !!
I hope Newcastle get super rich owners and are able to finally win something I always had a soft spot for them as a kid.

[Crunchie]

do i want money invested in Hibs to compete with the Glasgow sides=Yes

do i want investment in Hibs to buy the best players in football and win the champions league=No
You post some bizarre stuff at times, what Hibs fan wouldn't want to win the CL.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Apparently the new owners are circa ten times wealthier than Man City's owners and are wealthier than all the other EPL owners combined. This could get really crazy.

[Since90+2]

Thing is they never live in Newcastle itself. Northumberland is a fantastic county with some fantastic beaches etc.
If it's the nightlife they are thinking about then I wouldn't want them at my club.

JR lives in Northumberland.

Howay the Lads !!

I can't see guys like Neymar and Messi kicking about beaches in Northumberland though, can you?

[Hibernia&Alba]

I can't see guys like Neymar and Messi kicking about beaches in Northumberland though, can you?

Show them the money and they'll be posing with bottles of Newcastle Brown Ale alongside Ant & Dec

[Since90+2]

Show them the money and they'll be posing with bottles of Newcastle Brown Ale alongside Ant & Dec

That would be something.

[heretoday]

It’s wild listening to Newcastle fans and journalists cheering the exit of Ashley, who they hate, but then gushing over the arrival of, well…

Neer mind aboot yuman reets and that when tha's coops tee be woon, bonny lead!

[FilipinoHibs]

Plenty of them go to Manchester. Players will go anywhere if the moneys enough and the team have a chance of winning major silverware.

Remember star players going to Middlesbourgh? Most desperate city I have ever visited. Some nice country houses though a few miles out.

[Col2]

Mo Salah will be No 1 target. Brilliant player but also commercially important for owners.

Overnight Newcastle will become the richest football club in the world. Crazy stuff.

[FilipinoHibs]

Apparently the new owners are circa ten times wealthier than Man City's owners and are wealthier than all the other EPL owners combined. This could get really crazy.

Yes Saudi much bigger than UAE. A touch nastier to.

[FilipinoHibs]

I can't see guys like Neymar and Messi kicking about beaches in Northumberland though, can you?

Neymar will have seen unimaginable poverty in Brazil. Paris will be cold to him compared to Santos and much closer to Newcastle temps than his home ones.

[AliboyFC]

They won't be able turn them into PSG as the world's best players, in particular those from South America and southern Europe, won't want to live in Newcastle.

It's one thing chucking loads of money at a guy who's already earning a fortune to come and live and work in Paris, it's another thing entirely to get them to Gateshead.

Why wouldn't they want to live in newcastle? It's the best city in the UK.

[CMurdoch]

Neer mine aboot yuman reets and that when tha's coops tee be woon, bonny lad!

:greengrin:greengrin:top marks

[Pagan Hibernia]

Why wouldn't they want to live in newcastle? It's the best city in the UK.

You wouldn’t be biased though would you? :greengrin

[CMurdoch]

Another domino falls.
Poor England, sold out, no top teams anymore just soulless corporations.
Oil Utd, Kentucky Fried Rovers, McDonald's City, Investors FC, Uber Fat Cat Wanderers

[number9dream]

do i want money invested in Hibs to compete with the Glasgow sides=Yes

do i want investment in Hibs to buy the best players in football and win the champions league=No

You could add 'do I want money invested in Hibs from a regime that murdered the journalist Khashoggi, suppresses any kind of dissent with brutality & bombs neighbouring territory indiscriminately killing close to an estimated 8,000 civilians?'

[hibsbollah]

You could add 'do I want money invested in Hibs from a regime that murdered the journalist Khashoggi, suppresses any kind of dissent with brutality & bombs neighbouring territory indiscriminately killing close to an estimated 8,000 civilians?'

This was Amnesty Internationals assessment just over a year ago, when the Saudis pulled out, and they thought pressure from Saudi opposition activists had swung things in their favour. It just shows how things have gone backward in general in 15 months. Still, seems massively popular on Tyneside, the Toon divvent gee a **** man


https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/newcastle-united-deal-was-always-blatant-saudi-sportswashing

[ScottB]

For me, there are no good billionaires. You don’t get to that ludicrous level of wealth without stomping all over a whole bunch of people and things to get there.

Within that class, there are then degrees of bad. The Saudi regime is probably at the worse end of it, but, not much worse than the UAE, or an Oligarch, or the Chinese state etc etc.

Speaks volumes that the only thing that looked to be preventing this was messing with their precious TV rights. Apparently having journalists dismembered won’t trip you up in your quest to be deemed fit and proper…

[heretoday]

I can't see guys like Neymar and Messi kicking about beaches in Northumberland though, can you?

The Coal Coast can be an unforgiving place in winter.

How can Messi demonstrate his skills with three pairs of socks and a balaclava on?

[Scouse Hibee]

Here we go again!

[MWHIBBIES]

FFP will make this take a little longer. Certainly won't be a success overnight. But in time, this could be big.

[Moulin Yarns]

JR lives in Northumberland.



Whit???? I must have missed that episode of Dallas.

[CMurdoch]

Proclaimers song alternative lyric,

Man Utd no more, Man City no more
Liverpool no more, Chelsea no more



Arsenal no more, Spurs no more
Newcaaaaastle noooo morŕrre

[Coco Bryce]

FFP will make this take a little longer. Certainly won't be a success overnight. But in time, this could be big.

Someone will pay them £500M to get their name on a corner flag :wink:

[Pretty Boy]

You post some bizarre stuff at times, what Hibs fan wouldn't want to win the CL.

The only way we are ever winning the CL is if we sell our souls to some human rights abusing, slave using tyrants. We can't do it organically or even with clean investment.

For that reason I'm not really sure I want Hibs to win the CL either. It's not like when Nottingham Forest and Aston Villa did it when a smaller club could go all the way. You need to turn a blind eye to some pretty grim stuff. If others are happy to do that then fine. Plenty Man City fans are and it appears Newcastle fans are the same. If the Saudis were in at ER, I'd be out as long as they were around.

[Langlee Hibs]

I'd sell my granny if it meant Hibs win the Champions League!

[CMurdoch]

The only way we are ever winning the CL is if we sell our souls to some human rights abusing, slave using tyrants. We can't do it organically or even with clean investment.

For that reason I'm not really sure I want Hibs to win the CL either. It's not like when Nottingham Forest and Aston Villa did it when a smaller club could go all the way. You need to turn a blind eye to some pretty grim stuff. If others are happy to do that then fine. Plenty Man City fans are and it appears Newcastle fans are the same. If the Saudis were in at ER, I'd be out as long as they were around.

Once a club is taken over by massive investors it can never come back.
It can only ever be sold to another massive investor.
These teams are gone from their supporters forever.
Soul sold.

[Bishop Hibee]

Having lived in the north east and knowing lots of Newcastle fans, I imagine most will hold their noses and accept the cash. It’s a football crazy area, far more so than Edinburgh in my opinion and the Mags are desperate to see their team win a trophy. If it was Hibs, personally I’d have to think long and hard about whether I renewed my ST.

[Scouse Hibee]

Proclaimers song alternative lyric,

Man Utd no more, Man City no more
Liverpool no more, Chelsea no more



Arsenal no more, Spurs no more
Newcaaaaastle noooo morŕrre

Liverpool and United were successful before big money investors came to the game, the new kids on the block are just that.

[Peevemor]

Like others I wouldn't be against somebody putting a bit of cash into Hibs - the sort of money where we could keep the likes of SJM a bit longer and sign players like Leigh Griffiths (in his prime).

But anyone ploughing in 100s of millions and changing the club beyond recognition would leave me as disinterested as I am with the current Champions League big guns.

[Lago]

They won't be able turn them into PSG as the world's best players, in particular those from South America and southern Europe, won't want to live in Newcastle.

It's one thing chucking loads of money at a guy who's already earning a fortune to come and live and work in Paris, it's another thing entirely to get them to Gateshead.
If top players are happy to live in Liverpool and Manchester they will be happy to live around Newcastle, if the money is right.

[MrSmith]

So much for Brexit huh!? The north east wanted rid of those bloody foreigners taking their jobs and benefits but are now happy to give their club away to another set of foreigners. Shameful!

[hibsbollah]

Like others I wouldn't be against somebody putting a bit of cash into Hibs - the sort of money where we could keep the likes of SJM a bit longer and sign players like Leigh Griffiths (in his prime).

But anyone ploughing in 100s of millions and changing the club beyond recognition would leave me as disinterested as I am with the current Champions League big guns.

Yep, I like watching champions league. But I like Hibs being grounded in the community, which Newcastle Utd is even farther from now. I feel sorry for them more than anything.

[CropleyWasGod]

The Coal Coast can be an unforgiving place in winter.

How can Messi demonstrate his skills with three pairs of socks and a balaclava on?

Julio Geordio managed it.

[CMurdoch]

Liverpool and United were successful before big money investors came to the game, the new kids on the block are just that.

And now they all belong to investors.
They no longer really exist.
They are just nasty corporations with a Man Utd and Liverpool face on the front.
The supporters are now customers and they can never ever afford to get their club back.
They can see images of it dressed up like their former club , they can visit it for a price, but they can't have it back...........ever!

[Scouse Hibee]

And now they all belong to investors.
They no longer really exist.
They are just nasty corporations with a Man Utd and Liverpool face on the front.
The supporters are now customers and they can never ever afford to get their club back.
They can see images of it dressed up like their former club , they can visit it for a price, but they can't have it back...........ever!

A bizzare take on it if you ask me. And certainly not how I feel about Liverpool.

[Since90+2]

And now they all belong to investors.
They no longer really exist.
They are just nasty corporations with a Man Utd and Liverpool face on the front.
The supporters are now customers and they can never ever afford to get their club back.
They can see images of it dressed up like their former club , they can visit it for a price, but they can't have it back...........ever!

Nah. If you are fan of your club it will always be in your heart, who owns it is largely irrelevant.

Fans of clubs like ours like to claim it almost as a badge of honour that we are more "real" clubs and these big and successful clubs are just a business.

If you're from Liverpool and have stood in the Kop for 30 years, or you're from Collyhurst and have had a seat in the Stretford end your whole life then your club is as much yours as Hibs are to us.

We are now owned by an American born in Peru whilst previously we were owned by a born and bred Leither. When the change happened it never impacted on how I felt about Hibs one bit.

[Sir David Gray]

The only way we are ever winning the CL is if we sell our souls to some human rights abusing, slave using tyrants. We can't do it organically or even with clean investment.

For that reason I'm not really sure I want Hibs to win the CL either. It's not like when Nottingham Forest and Aston Villa did it when a smaller club could go all the way. You need to turn a blind eye to some pretty grim stuff. If others are happy to do that then fine. Plenty Man City fans are and it appears Newcastle fans are the same. If the Saudis were in at ER, I'd be out as long as they were around.

As would I, same with UAE, Qatar or any of these other nations in that region.

You can add China to the list too, I'm not interested in Hibs winning the Champions League if it means being taken over by such people.

[hibsbollah]

If top players are happy to live in Liverpool and Manchester they will be happy to live around Newcastle, if the money is right.

The gated millionaires communities of Darras Hall in Newcastle or around Cheshire in the NW are no different to the gated communities in Hertfordshire for the London based players. And Newcastle has VIP room clubs and (almost) Michelin star restaurants too. They’ll go where the big salaries are being paid.

[Key West]

Liverpool and United were successful before big money investors came to the game, the new kids on the block are just that.

Even when they have been poor they've still manage to fill their stadium, it won't be the likes of Tranmere who will feel threatened it will be the elite who already have massive advantages in spending power, unfortunately it is carrying regardless for most football fans and the tourist supporters.

[Since90+2]

The gated millionaires communities of Darras Hall in Newcastle or around Cheshire in the NW are no different to the gated communities in Hertfordshire for the London based players. And Newcastle has VIP room clubs and (almost) Michelin star restaurants too. They’ll go where the big salaries are being paid.

If it's purely about the size of the wage they wont be playing in England. Or anywhere in Europe for that matter.

[McSwanky]

Whit???? I must have missed that episode of Dallas.

:tee hee::top marks

[Peevemor]

Whit???? I must have missed that episode of Dallas.

:agree: At South Fowak.

[Tyler Durden]

Nah. If you are fan of your club it will always be in your heart, who owns it is largely irrelevant.

Fans of clubs like ours like to claim it almost as a badge of honour that we are more "real" clubs and these big and successful clubs are just a business.

If you're from Liverpool and have stood in the Kop for 30 years, or you're from Collyhurst and have had a seat in the Stretford end your whole life then your club is as much yours as Hibs are to us.

We are now owned by an American born in Peru whilst previously we were owned by a born and bred Leither. When the change happened it never impacted on how I felt about Hibs one bit.

Exactly. It's easy for people to take the moral high ground when we're unlikely to be put in the position that Newcastle or Man Utd fans have been. All this stuff about "not their club anymore" is nonsense IMO.

Also it's a bit rich for people to expect the Premier League not to deal with the likes of MBS when the governments of the UK and U.S. seem to have no qualms doing so.

[Souter96Mac]

Absolutely buzzing for this. Having lived in Newcastle for the last 7 years, and supporting the team, this is huge not only for the club, but for the fans and people of Newcastle.

The club for too long has been a farce, shackled to the absolute goon that Mike Ashley is, suffering through seasons of underwhelming teams led by pretty useless managers (one or two aside), who have been even further limited by the lack of investment from the owner.

It's not even just been the footballing product that has been impacted, it's been the facilities, the operations, the general atmosphere which have all been so negatively impacted and regressed during Ashley's dreadful tenure, whilst rivals kick on and develop as modern football clubs.

Newcastle fans aren't asking for their club to be the next Man City or PSG, they just want their club back. But watching Mbappe every weekend wouldn't hurt 😁

To any fellow Newcastle fans, I hope we've got the cans at the ready!

[MWHIBBIES]

And now they all belong to investors.
They no longer really exist.
They are just nasty corporations with a Man Utd and Liverpool face on the front.
The supporters are now customers and they can never ever afford to get their club back.
They can see images of it dressed up like their former club , they can visit it for a price, but they can't have it back...........ever!
This is the scottish equivalent of English fans saying their nan could score in our league.

[MWHIBBIES]

Absolutely buzzing for this. Having lived in Newcastle for the last 7 years, and supporting the team, this is huge not only for the club, but for the fans and people of Newcastle.

The club for too long has been a farce, shackled to the absolute goon that Mike Ashley is, suffering through seasons of underwhelming teams led by pretty useless managers (one or two aside), who have been even further limited by the lack of investment from the owner.

It's not even just been the footballing product that has been impacted, it's been the facilities, the operations, the general atmosphere which have all been so negatively impacted and regressed during Ashley's dreadful tenure, whilst rivals kick on and develop as modern football clubs.

Newcastle fans aren't asking for their club to be the next Man City or PSG, they just want their club back. But watching Mbappe every weekend wouldn't hurt 😁

To any fellow Newcastle fans, I hope we've got the cans at the ready!

Is this really giving them their club back?

[ScottB]

Is this really giving them their club back?

If they think Ashley didn’t listen to them, I’m not sure recent history suggests complaining about Prince MBS is a wise thing to do…

[hibsbollah]

'Jamal Khasshogi' sounds really amusing in a Geordie accent. Try it a few times yourself. not as good as 'Kawasaki' does though.

[Souter96Mac]

Is this really giving them their club back?

Yes.

[Crunchie]

Nah. If you are fan of your club it will always be in your heart, who owns it is largely irrelevant.

Fans of clubs like ours like to claim it almost as a badge of honour that we are more "real" clubs and these big and successful clubs are just a business.

If you're from Liverpool and have stood in the Kop for 30 years, or you're from Collyhurst and have had a seat in the Stretford end your whole life then your club is as much yours as Hibs are to us.

We are now owned by an American born in Peru whilst previously we were owned by a born and bred Leither. When the change happened it never impacted on how I felt about Hibs one bit.
:top marks

[heretoday]

We're all pretty keen to go and accept the hospitality of Qatar next year. I believe their human rights record is not much to write home about. It's maybe not as bad as selling out to the Saudi billionaires but it's in the vicinity.

[hibsbollah]

Nah. If you are fan of your club it will always be in your heart, who owns it is largely irrelevant.

Fans of clubs like ours like to claim it almost as a badge of honour that we are more "real" clubs and these big and successful clubs are just a business.

If you're from Liverpool and have stood in the Kop for 30 years, or you're from Collyhurst and have had a seat in the Stretford end your whole life then your club is as much yours as Hibs are to us.

We are now owned by an American born in Peru whilst previously we were owned by a born and bred Leither. When the change happened it never impacted on how I felt about Hibs one bit.

As far as I know, Ron doesnt order prominent journalists to be murdered and dismembered. Thats Crown Prince Bin Salman im thinking of. Big difference between the two.

[MWHIBBIES]

Yes.

You sure? seems to me like a journalist killing nutter is buying it, I don't think they're getting anything back.

[Billy Whizz]

It’s obviously a slow news day, the amount of coverage Sky are giving this is ridiculous

[Since90+2]

As far as I know, Ron doesnt order prominent journalists to be murdered and dismembered. Thats Crown Prince Bin Salman im thinking of. Big difference between the two.

What an utterly weird response to a post discussing how fans of big clubs are perceived.

Very odd.

[Killiehibbie]

We're all pretty keen to go and accept the hospitality of Qatar next year. I believe their human rights record is not much to write home about. It's maybe not as bad as selling out to the Saudi billionaires but it's in the vicinity.

There are places I will not got as a matter of principle.
Easter Road would be another one if these animals bought us.

[erin go bragh]

Absolutely buzzing for this. Having lived in Newcastle for the last 7 years, and supporting the team, this is huge not only for the club, but for the fans and people of Newcastle.

The club for too long has been a farce, shackled to the absolute goon that Mike Ashley is, suffering through seasons of underwhelming teams led by pretty useless managers (one or two aside), who have been even further limited by the lack of investment from the owner.

It's not even just been the footballing product that has been impacted, it's been the facilities, the operations, the general atmosphere which have all been so negatively impacted and regressed during Ashley's dreadful tenure, whilst rivals kick on and develop as modern football clubs.

Newcastle fans aren't asking for their club to be the next Man City or PSG, they just want their club back. But watching Mbappe every weekend wouldn't hurt 😁

To any fellow Newcastle fans, I hope we've got the cans at the ready!
Will it no be bottles of Newci broon 😉😁

[Pagan Hibernia]

A takeover like this of Hibs certainly wouldn’t be my cup of tea. I think we’d lose something very special forever and despite what some people here say, it really would affect how I perceived my club.

but that’s just me. Newcastle fans seem happy enough, who’s anyone else to tell them how they should feel about it.

[Col2]

Would you swap winning the CL for 2016 scottish cup win?

[Hibernia&Alba]

Slippy G favourite to be their next manager. That would be funny :lolrangers::lolrangers:

[Hibernia&Alba]

Would you swap winning the CL for 2016 scottish cup win?

That's like asking would you swap your ten year old Volvo for a brand new Bugatti. Let me think aboot it...:greengrin

[hibsbollah]

What an utterly weird response to a post discussing how fans of big clubs are perceived.

Very odd.

You were making the case that Ron's Peruvian nationality while being the owner of our club, makes no difference to how you feel about Hibs.
The thread is about the Saudi takeover of Newcastle, and the effective leader now being bin Salman.
I am making the case that the former individual is very different from the latter individual, (and therefore it went unspoken that you drawing any parallel between the two, which you were doing, was a bit daft).
...and you of course you knew that fine well.

[WhileTheChief..]

Watching SSN and their fans all seem delighted.

They’re talking about having their club back, the complete opposite of selling its soul.

MA was holding them back, it must have been grim the last 14 years.

It’s not the fans fault who bought the club. Let them enjoy it.

[flash]

We're all pretty keen to go and accept the hospitality of Qatar next year. I believe their human rights record is not much to write home about. It's maybe not as bad as selling out to the Saudi billionaires but it's in the vicinity.

Speak for yourself. I think it's morally bankrupt.

[King conrad]

Looks like Saudi Arabia have managed to get a workaround on a potential takeover by naming a consortium as the "official" owners.

This could easily turn Newcastle into the next PSG, but the ethical implications are pretty nauseating.

They might need to buy them out the English Championship if they don't start getting results

[hibsbollah]

Watching SSN and their fans all seem delighted.

They’re talking about having their club back, the complete opposite of selling its soul.

MA was holding them back, it must have been grim the last 14 years.

It’s not the fans fault who bought the club. Let them enjoy it.

The Chronicle down there ran a poll and the support for the project last year just before the bid collapsed was well into the 90%s.
I think that says a lot about how desperate they are to get shot of Ashley, but its still a massive why aye from them.

[Since90+2]

You were making the case that Ron's Peruvian nationality while being the owner of our club, makes no difference to how you feel about Hibs.
The thread is about the Saudi takeover of Newcastle, and the effective leader now being bin Salman.
I am making the case that the former individual is very different from the latter individual, (and therefore it went unspoken that you drawing any parallel between the two, which you were doing, was a bit daft).
...and you of course you knew that fine well.

The post was about big and successful clubs and how their fans are sometimes looked down upon by fans of smaller and less successful clubs.

I'm not sure anyone would consider Newcastle successful.

[Since452]

Slippy G favourite to be their next manager. That would be funny :lolrangers::lolrangers:

Hopefully isn't before we pump them out the cup.

[Billy Whizz]

Hopefully isn't before we pump them out the cup.

Bookies favourite

[hibsbollah]

The post was about big and successful clubs and how their fans are sometimes looked down upon by fans of smaller and less successful clubs.

I'm not sure anyone would consider Newcastle successful, but you needed to shoehorn the beheading into the debate anyway.

'shoehorn' :faf: Its front and centre of the discussion. Amnesty International have the takeover on their website. Even US intelligence has said the new de facto owner of NUFC ordered the beheading and dismembering of an award winning journalist. It wouldnt be such a story otherwise.

Edit-ooo nice wee edit there. Clearly decided against 'shoehorn'.

[WhileTheChief..]

You were making the case that Ron's Peruvian nationality while being the owner of our club, makes no difference to how you feel about Hibs.
The thread is about the Saudi takeover of Newcastle, and the effective leader now being bin Salman.
I am making the case that the former individual is very different from the latter individual, (and therefore it went unspoken that you drawing any parallel between the two, which you were doing, was a bit daft).
...and you of course you knew that fine well.

You mentioned Amnesty International’s view on this. Have you checked out their take on Hezbollah? Can’t really be picky-choosy about human rights!

If the Peruvian govt started getting up to horrible things, would it bother you in the slightest that RG was born there?

Should Hibs be punished if at some point in the future the president of Peru orders the killing of a journalist?

[hibsbollah]

You mentioned Amnesty International’s view on this. Have you checked out their take on Hezbollah? Can’t really be picky-choosy about human rights!

If the Peruvian govt started getting up to horrible things, would it bother you in the slightest that RG was born there?

Should Hibs be punished if at some point in the future the president of Peru orders the killing of a journalist?

None of those questions has anything to do with the subject, and clearly youve just got a personal gripe because of other threads, probably on the Holy Ground. Bit sad you cant just have a normal discussion. Ill stick you on ignore.

[Kato]

You mentioned Amnesty International’s view on this. Have you checked out their take on Hezbollah? Can’t really be picky-choosy about human rights!

If the Peruvian govt started getting up to horrible things, would it bother you in the slightest that RG was born there?

Should Hibs be punished if at some point in the future the president of Peru orders the killing of a journalist?If Ron was the head of their Govt ordering those things you might have point.

As it is....

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[PolmontHibby]

We're all pretty keen to go and accept the hospitality of Qatar next year. I believe their human rights record is not much to write home about. It's maybe not as bad as selling out to the Saudi billionaires but it's in the vicinity.

Not me - the only interest I have in Qatar World Cup is how it will disrupt league.

The same goes for Scotland games to be honest including this weekend.

i find that over the years interest has declined in anything other than Scottish league football......catch the odd Scotland game if out in a pub and thats its.

[Magpie]

Will be interesting to see who their first appointment as manager will be. Newcastle fans will be delighted, they will win multiple trophies over the years to come.

[Since90+2]

'shoehorn' :faf: Its front and centre of the discussion. Amnesty International have the takeover on their website. Even US intelligence has said the new de facto owner of NUFC ordered the beheading and dismembering of an award winning journalist. It wouldnt be such a story otherwise.

Edit-ooo nice wee edit there. Clearly decided against 'shoehorn'.

Yip, I should have just said my post was about successful clubs which you'd have seen if you actually bothered to read it instead of jumping in with 2 feet as you like to do, this discussion wouldn't be going on a tangent.

I see you like the use of the ignore button. Instead of listening to you drone on for hours as per I think I'll follow your lead on that.

Tata.

[hibsbollah]

Yip, I should have just said my post was about successful clubs which you'd have seen if you actually bothered to read it instead of jumping in with 2 feet as you like to do, this discussion wouldn't be going on a tangent.

I see you like the use of the ignore button. Instead of listening to you drone on for hours as per I think I'll follow your lead on that.

Tata.

Goodness me. Some right tantrums being taken on here. I'll pick up the crayons, dont worry.

[WhileTheChief..]

If Ron was the head of their Govt ordering those things you might have point.

As it is....

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I just don’t get why Newcastle fans are meant to think about the human rights issue when there is hee-haw they can do about it.

I think they’re just delighted to see the back of MA more than anything.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Will be interesting to see who their first appointment as manager will be. Newcastle fans will be delighted, they will win multiple trophies over the years to come.

Aye, the are the biggest underachievers left in England now. Isn't it fifty years since they last won a trophy? That will change soon. Personally, I'm glad they are about to blow Man City out of the water :greengrin

[WhileTheChief..]

None of those questions has anything to do with the subject, and clearly youve just got a personal gripe because of other threads, probably on the Holy Ground. Bit sad you cant just have a normal discussion. Ill stick you on ignore.

Eh? I’m barely in the holy ground, like hardly ever at all.

No gripe from me, just a light hearted quip about your user name. Chill.

[hibsbollah]

Aye, the are the biggest underachievers left in England now. Isn't it fifty years since they last won a trophy? That will change soon. Personally, I'm glad they are about to blow Man City out of the water :greengrin

They bang on about the fairs cup, which i think was before i was born (1969 or 70 i think), and its questionable whether thats much better than the Tennents Sixes.

[Hibernia&Alba]

They bang on about the fairs cup, which i think was before i was born (1969 or 70 i think), and its questionable whether thats much better than the Tennents Sixes.

Crazy to think a club that size hasn't won a trophy in half a century; not even a League Cup.
Crazier still that Newcastle United is now the richest football club in the world by far.

[hibsbollah]

Crazy to think a club that size hasn't won a trophy in half a century; not even a League Cup.
Crazier still that Newcastle United is now the richest football club in the world by far.

Ive just checked, they won 5 ties to win the Fairs Cup in 1969, including beating Rangers in the semi final, so they deserve a trophy for that:greengrin. Future hearts manager Bob moncur major part of the team.

[Iggy Pope]

They bang on about the fairs cup, which i think was before i was born (1969 or 70 i think), and its questionable whether thats much better than the Tennents Sixes.

To be fair a certain vintage bang on plenty ourselves about our Fairs Cup exploits so I’d hope there’s more than a wee hint of irony about this my friend.

[Magpie]

Aye, the are the biggest underachievers left in England now. Isn't it fifty years since they last won a trophy? That will change soon. Personally, I'm glad they are about to blow Man City out of the water :greengrin

City will be their main competitors. It’s the likes of Liverpool and United who may end up falling away.

[Kato]

I just don’t get why Newcastle fans are meant to think about the human rights issue when there is hee-haw they can do about it.

I think they’re just delighted to see the back of MA more than anything.

Neither do I and don't really care what Newcastle fans are thinking, including my toon supporting pal who is torn between the delight at getting rid of Ashley and the very idea of being taken over by an unpunished murderer.

Ron Gordon is an ordinary citizen of Peru. If Peru ever had a regime like SA's he would have hee-haw power over that. So comparing him to the Saudi's is missing the point spectacularly. I suspect you know that but you plough on.

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[PolmontHibby]

If the EPL does not draw the line at having a club being controlled by an organization chaired (and effectively controlled) by someone who is named by multiple government organizations as having planned a pre-meditated murder where would they draw the line?

[Baader]

If the EPL does not draw the line at having a club being controlled by an organization chaired (and effectively controlled) by someone who is named by multiple government organizations as having planned a pre-meditated murder where would they draw the line?

Presumably anything below about £3bn...

[Pagan Hibernia]

Crazy to think a club that size hasn't won a trophy in half a century; not even a League Cup.

aye, imagine a big club not winning a league cup for that amount of time :greengrin

[Hibernia&Alba]

aye, imagine a big club not winning a league cup for that amount of time :greengrin

:top marks

[hibsbollah]

To be fair a certain vintage bang on plenty ourselves about our Fairs Cup exploits so I’d hope there’s more than a wee hint of irony about this my friend.


See, you're older than me so the Fairs Cup is a bit like Third Lanark or jumpers for goalposts to us youngsters:greengrin

[hibsbollah]

aye, imagine a big club not winning a league cup for that amount of time :greengrin

:faf:

[PatHead]

They bang on about the fairs cup, which i think was before i was born (1969 or 70 i think), and its questionable whether thats much better than the Tennents Sixes.

Was it not the forerunner of the Uefa cup?

Not a bad trophy to win.

[Hibernia&Alba]

City will be their main competitors. It’s the likes of Liverpool and United who may end up falling away.

City won't be able to compete with the wealth of Newcastle, provided they can circumvent the FFP rules in the same way. No club in the world will be able to compete.

[PatHead]

aye, imagine a big club not winning a league cup for that amount of time :greengrin

Or even longer....60 and still counting.

[Since452]

aye, imagine a big club not winning a league cup for that amount of time :greengrin

Big clubs don't avoid league cups for half a century

[Pretty Boy]

I think the people most worried by this development will be fans of the likes of Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool, Juventus, Bayern Munich etc.

For the former 3 it's another nouveau riche club staking their claim for a spot in what was the 'big 4'. For the former and the latter combined it's another upstart in the Champions League to contend with. Make no mistake it won't be long before Newcastle are there with the money they now have at their disposal.

My heart isn't exactly bleeding for them. In fact it's about the only real upshot of this whole situation were football clubs are used as vanity projects or for sportswashing. The old guard who have tried to concentrate their power and make their competitions a closed shop are upset by it. Of course the new money soon become every bit as bad as the types they once professed to hate but it's fun while it lasts.

[hibsbollah]

"The Saudi Public Investment Fund that now owns 80% of NUFC shares is worth £315 Billion".
£315 billion.
£315,000,000,000.
thats just an astonishing figure.

[WhileTheChief..]

Neither do I and don't really care what Newcastle fans are thinking, including my toon supporting pal who is torn between the delight at getting rid of Ashley and the very idea of being taken over by an unpunished murderer.

Ron Gordon is an ordinary citizen of Peru. If Peru ever had a regime like SA's he would have hee-haw power over that. So comparing him to the Saudi's is missing the point spectacularly. I suspect you know that but you plough on.

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yeah ok, maybe missed the point. I’m not at it or anything like you’re implying though.

Seems to be a touchy subject for some reason. I’m pretty pleased for Newcastle if anything.

[The Baldmans Comb]

I would want to be any critical journalist in Newcastle who falls foul of the Saudis.😉

Its a dreadfully poor English city but I wouldn't imagine the fans give a stuff who owns them as success is all that seems to matter in the English league and its hard to criticise the fans who just want to be like Chelsea and Man City.

[ekhibee]

I think it's good that Ashley has left Newcastle but other than that no interest.

[Hibernia&Alba]

"The Saudi Public Investment Fund that now owns 80% of NUFC shares is worth £315 Billion".
£315 billion.
£315,000,000,000.
thats just an astonishing figure.

Is that even a real number? :greengrin

It's just meaningless when the figures are in the hundreds of billions. What does that even mean? You can't relate it to the real world.

It's like when astrophysicists say the universe of 92 billion light years across. You can't quantify it in your mind. It's too vast to appreciate the scale.

[MWHIBBIES]

City will be their main competitors. It’s the likes of Liverpool and United who may end up falling away.

United have financial power to match City. They have spent silly amounts without their owners putting in a penny. They're going nowhere.

[Tommy75]

Is that even a real number? :greengrin

It's just meaningless when the figures are in the hundreds of billions. What does that even mean? You can't relate it to the real world.

It's like when astrophysicists say the universe of 92 billion light years across. You can't quantify it in your mind. It's too vast to appreciate the scale.

Aye it is difficult to appreciate the scale when discussing billions.

I remember seeing somewhere that a million seconds is 12 days and a billion seconds is 32 years. Pretty irrelevant to the discussion but in terms of scale, I think it shows Newcastle new found wealth is unbelievable.

[Since452]

The problem for Newcastle is that all the best players are at the likes of PSG, Man City, Chelsea etc. Are Newcastle going to be as attractive a proposition as one of those other super rich clubs if a player was offered the same money?

[The_Exile]

The problem for Newcastle is that all the best players are at the likes of PSG, Man City, Chelsea etc. Are Newcastle going to be as attractive a proposition as one of those other super rich clubs if a player was offered the same money?

No, but when they stick an extra zero on the end they'll quite happily move in next door to Ant or Dec.

[WhileTheChief..]

They’ll just offer more. A lot more if it takes it.

Messi didn’t go to PSG to see Paris.

Money grabbers gonna grab the money wherever it takes them!

[Hibernia&Alba]

The problem for Newcastle is that all the best players are at the likes of PSG, Man City, Chelsea etc. Are Newcastle going to be as attractive a proposition as one of those other super rich clubs if a player was offered the same money?

But the same question was asked about Chelsea and Man City when they were taken over. If you pay the top players and managers enough, they will come. Newcastle will have no problem attracting the best.; it's a big club with a great stadium and a passionate support. All the ingredients are there.

[Northernhibee]

Utterly depressing what “top” level football has become. Some supporters celebrating being taken over by a horrendous regime. Success at any cost.

Soulless. Hibs will forever mean more than Man City, PSG and Newcastle combined.

[hibsbollah]

Is that even a real number? :greengrin

It's just meaningless when the figures are in the hundreds of billions. What does that even mean? You can't relate it to the real world.

It's like when astrophysicists say the universe of 92 billion light years across. You can't quantify it in your mind. It's too vast to appreciate the scale.

It’s mad isn’t it? Makes you question what money is. A representation of human labour and endeavour? If so, the Saudis have worked damn hard over the years :greengrin

Another good way of looking at those crazy numbers is the £300 million investment in NUFC is only 0.1% of the total wealth of that fund. (Please excuse me if I’ve got a zero wrong there but even if so it’s still mind blowing)

[hibsbollah]

Hibs will forever mean more than Man City, PSG and Newcastle combined.

Finally we agree :greengrin

[Kato]

yeah ok, maybe missed the point. I’m not at it or anything like you’re implying though.

Seems to be a touchy subject for some reason. I’m pretty pleased for Newcastle if anything.

As I said to my pal this afternoon I preferred it when they were all whiney with the occasional tears at the end of season. Don't really care though, if it wasn't Newcastle it would be some other club. That league is a circus.

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[WhileTheChief..]

Wonder how much MA made out of his time with Newcastle.

[Greencore]

Always liked Newcastle. Nice city Good luck to them.

[The Modfather]

The problem for Newcastle is that all the best players are at the likes of PSG, Man City, Chelsea etc. Are Newcastle going to be as attractive a proposition as one of those other super rich clubs if a player was offered the same money?

They’ll need to do what Man City did and start of paying over the odds for good players who are high profile, but not the elite players. Like Robinho and Elano etc. That will take them up several levels, then keep shopping in a slightly better market each year as they start to compete at the top end. Soon they will then be shopping in the same market as all the other elite clubs.

For as questionable as the Man City owners are, and the vast money they have thrown at it, they have actually done quite a good job of getting to where they are today through a structured plan. The other way to do it is just to change manager every 5 minutes and throw ever more money at it, but that only seems to work for Chelsea.

[Hibs4185]

So if Newcastle offer £40-£50 million for SJM should we turn down the sell on fee seems it’s morally wrong and dirty money??

[H18 SFR]

So if Newcastle offer £40-£50 million for SJM should we turn down the sell on fee seems it’s morally wrong and dirty money??

I think that would be an amazing thing to do. The type of stance that might inspire others to make a stand as well. A potential pivotal moment.

[Hibernia&Alba]

It’s mad isn’t it? Makes you question what money is. A representation of human labour and endeavour? If so, the Saudis have worked damn hard over the years :greengrin

Another good way of looking at those crazy numbers is the £300 million investment in NUFC is only 0.1% of the total wealth of that fund. (Please excuse me if I’ve got a zero wrong there but even if so it’s still mind blowing)

What a world. Many families in the north-east of England are worried that their twenty quid per week Universal Credit is about to end. Meanwhile, just down the road, a Saudi guy turns up with 315 billion.

[Kato]

What a world. Many families in the north-east of England are worried that their twenty quid per week Universal Credit is about to end. Meanwhile, just down the road, a Saudi guy turns up with 315 billion.Next season - no electricity and living on whelks and turnips, cheering on some charismaless striker earning 400,000 a week.

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[Hibernia&Alba]

I think that would be an amazing thing to do. The type of stance that might inspire others to make a stand as well. A potential pivotal moment.

And about as likely to happen as Hibs winning the Champions League. Money talks and principles go out the window.

[H18 SFR]

And about as likely to happen as Hibs winning the Champions League. Money talks and principles go out the window.

Hence he reason I said it would be amazing.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Hence he reason I said it would be amazing.

In the immortal worlds of Don Logan in Sexy Beast, "I find this astonishing. You're amazing; this is astounding" :greengrin

[jacomo]

They won't be able turn them into PSG as the world's best players, in particular those from South America and southern Europe, won't want to live in Newcastle.

It's one thing chucking loads of money at a guy who's already earning a fortune to come and live and work in Paris, it's another thing entirely to get them to Gateshead.


It’s a good point and one that Newcastle have faced before. They struggle to compete with Manchester and London.

[jacomo]

I think that would be an amazing thing to do. The type of stance that might inspire others to make a stand as well. A potential pivotal moment.


:agree:

[Greencore]

I do wonder if this will ever go tits up on the end for the rich clubs owned by billionaires, I kept thinking this for years but don't see it coming anytime soon.

[Lago]

The gated millionaires communities of Darras Hall in Newcastle or around Cheshire in the NW are no different to the gated communities in Hertfordshire for the London based players. And Newcastle has VIP room clubs and (almost) Michelin star restaurants too. They’ll go where the big salaries are being paid.
Correct

[lord bunberry]

Julio Geordio managed it.
He was a gentleman and a scholar though.

[AliboyFC]

Went to the stadium today and the atmosphere was unbelievable. People are still at the stadium now.

[Magpie]

United have financial power to match City. They have spent silly amounts without their owners putting in a penny. They're going nowhere.

Silly amounts without winning a thing for years. Chelsea have been a lot more successful, throw Newcastle into the mix and they are looking fourth best of the lot.

[Magpie]

Went to the stadium today and the atmosphere was unbelievable. People are still at the stadium now.

Exciting time for the club. They have wanted Ashley gone for a long time, to replace him with some of the richest people in the world must be amazing. Knowing you will probably watch the best players in the world join your club and success along to go with it, very exciting. Always liked Newcastle, a passionate support and a city I very much enjoy visiting. Wish them all the best.

[Magpie]

The problem for Newcastle is that all the best players are at the likes of PSG, Man City, Chelsea etc. Are Newcastle going to be as attractive a proposition as one of those other super rich clubs if a player was offered the same money?

Take Man City as an example, they went from the likes of Paul Dickov to Sergio Aguero. Money and ambition says a lot. Youngsters in 5 years time will happily join Newcastle if they have a lot of money and showing ambition to win the biggest trophies.

[MWHIBBIES]

Silly amounts without winning a thing for years. Chelsea have been a lot more successful, throw Newcastle into the mix and they are looking fourth best of the lot.

Newcastle are years away from being at Man Uniteds level, takeover or not. It will be much harder for them than it was for City and Chelsea.

Liverpool have won CL and premier league recently without any Arab money.

The sportswashing at City certainly worked well though.

[Magpie]

Newcastle are years away from being at Man Uniteds level, takeover or not. It will be much harder for them than it was for City and Chelsea.

Liverpool have won CL and premier league recently without any Arab money.

The sportswashing at City certainly worked well though.

It took City about 4 years after their takeover to win the league, United have won one title since. I think it will take Newcastle around the same time. I’ll be very surprised if we see United win a title again anytime soon.

[Pretty Boy]

Take Man City as an example, they went from the likes of Paul Dickov to Sergio Aguero. Money and ambition says a lot. Youngsters in 5 years time will happily join Newcastle if they have a lot of money and showing ambition to win the biggest trophies.

I think it's interesting that all the chat from the new owners of Newcastle seems to mention a 5-10 year timescale.

It was mentioned earlier on the thread that Man City didn't go from Dickov to Aguero overnight. There was a period in between when they arguably overpaid for good players to bridge that gap and build a platform that attracted better players. It was alleged that Robinho though he was signing for United when he pitched up in Manchester. It took 4 years from takeover to City winning their 1st title and they followed that up by watching Man Utd retake their crown and losing to Wigan in an FA Cup Final. The CL still remains elusive albeit they are getting closer.

What Man City have achieved now, and Chelsea achieve before them, is they are just accepted as being one of the top teams now. There's little talk of short termism or bubbles bursting anymore. When it comes to top players they have every chance of getting them. Newcastle will have to go through that period as well. I don't think they will be replacing Joelinton with Mbappe just yet but in time they will do exactly what Chelsea and City have done. Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal etc are all huge entities in their own right but if they are being blown out the water in terms of wages and transfer fees then all the tradition in the world means nothing.

[He's here!]

Always liked Newcastle. Nice city Good luck to them.

Always found them a bit of an odd club. Big crowds seem guaranteed but no trophies since 1955 and rarely even close to being successful since then.

Even if I was a success starved Newcastle fan who justifiably loathed Ashley tho I don't think I'd be rushing to celebrate this deal.

[Hibernia&Alba]

I think it's interesting that all the chat from the new owners of Newcastle seems to mention a 5-10 year timescale.

It was mentioned earlier on the thread that Man City didn't go from Dickov to Aguero overnight. There was a period in between when they arguably overpaid for good players to bridge that gap and build a platform that attracted better players. It was alleged that Robinho though he was signing for United when he pitched up in Manchester. It took 4 years from takeover to City winning their 1st title and they followed that up by watching Man Utd retake their crown and losing to Wigan in an FA Cup Final. The CL still remains elusive albeit they are getting closer.

What Man City have achieved now, and Chelsea achieve before them, is they are just accepted as being one of the top teams now. There's little talk of short termism or bubbles bursting anymore. When it comes to top players they have every chance of getting them. Newcastle will have to go through that period as well. I don't think they will be replacing Joelinton with Mbappe just yet but in time they will do exactly what Chelsea and City have done. Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal etc are all huge entities in their own right but if they are being blown out the water in terms of wages and transfer fees then all the tradition in the world means nothing.

The new regime is trying to manage expectations, which is the wise thing to do on day one. Amanda Staveley said earlier they aim to win the league in five years. With the money they have, it's almost certain they will win the league at some point; and, if they can massage their financial figures like Man City do, it will be a total certainty. If they do it right, they could become the dominant force for years, backed by such enormous cash.

[cabbageandribs1875]

The new regime is trying to manage expectations, which is the wise thing to do on day one. Amanda Staveley said earlier they aim to BUY the league in five years. With the money they have, it's almost certain they will win the league at some point; and, if they can massage their financial figures like Man City do, it will be a total certainty. If they do it right, they could become the dominant force for years, backed by such enormous cash.


slight amendment


:greengrin

[MWHIBBIES]

It took City about 4 years after their takeover to win the league, United have won one title since. I think it will take Newcastle around the same time. I’ll be very surprised if we see United win a title again anytime soon.
Newcastle cannot spend like City did because of FFP.

Define anytime soon? Because there is nothing stopping them aside from an average manager. Get a decent one, it's entirely possible. They have crazy spending power and appeal, as seen by them gazumping City for Ronaldo.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Newcastle cannot spend like City did because of FFP.

Define anytime soon? Because there is nothing stopping them aside from an average manager. Get a decent one, it's entirely possible. They have crazy spending power and appeal, as seen by them gazumping City for Ronaldo.


When you have enough money, you can do anything you like. Look at PSG.

[hibsbollah]

Newcastle cannot spend like City did because of FFP.

Define anytime soon? Because there is nothing stopping them aside from an average manager. Get a decent one, it's entirely possible. They have crazy spending power and appeal, as seen by them gazumping City for Ronaldo.

I tend to agree that the manager is the secret sauce that these super clubs really need. Potchetino?

[Hibernia&Alba]

I tend to agree that the manager is the secret sauce that these super clubs really need. Potchetino?

Conte, Simeone, Mancini. It will be a very big name; Gerrard might be a contender.

[Magpie]

Newcastle cannot spend like City did because of FFP.

Define anytime soon? Because there is nothing stopping them aside from an average manager. Get a decent one, it's entirely possible. They have crazy spending power and appeal, as seen by them gazumping City for Ronaldo.

LVG and Mourinho both failed to win a title. Conte or Zidane would have them closer than Ole but I still think City would be too strong. I don’t think we will see United win a title by 2030.

[MWHIBBIES]

LVG and Mourinho both failed to win a title. Conte or Zidane would have them closer than Ole but I still think City would be too strong. I don’t think we will see United win a title by 2030.

Conte took Chelsea from what, 10th or something, to a title in 12 months. It's really not difficult to see similar with United.

[JimBHibees]

Newcastle cannot spend like City did because of FFP.

Define anytime soon? Because there is nothing stopping them aside from an average manager. Get a decent one, it's entirely possible. They have crazy spending power and appeal, as seen by them gazumping City for Ronaldo.

Just sponsor the shirt for 500m.

[MWHIBBIES]

Just sponsor the shirt for 500m.

Which would be breaching FFP.

[Keyser Sauzee]

Conte took Chelsea from what, 10th or something, to a title in 12 months. It's really not difficult to see similar with United.

Agree, unless you have a certain colour specs on of course.

[JimBHibees]

Which would be breaching FFP.

Why? That not what Man City did. Can they not argue it is external revenue.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Why? That not what Man City did. Can they not argue it is external revenue.

I think it was 400 million for stadium naming rights, which is about 350 million more than you might expect :wink:

[Glory Lurker]

'Mon FC United of Newcastle.

[ScottB]

Gerrard would probably be a smart choice for them. He’s a big name down there that the media would coo over, but wouldn’t bring the immediate expectation of appointing a Conte or other big name, established winner…

[007]

I hope Gerrard goes to Newcastle and gets replaced by the next Caixinha.

[660]

Modern football is disgusting

[SteveHFC]

So Newcastle to win the league in the next 5 years.

[givescotlandfreedom]

It all feels a bit hollow. Some dictatorship's questionable money buying the league - it just seems a bit false.

[.Sean.]

Good on them. I genuinely wouldn’t want it to happen to Hibs - money off the scale and blowing your relative competitors out the water. I just want to be at a level where we compete with Celtic and Rangers every year, I have zero interest in buying our way into the champions league group stage. I don’t follow Hibs for the glory ties every year, if that’s all I wanted I’d support Man U. I just want to pump Rangers, Celtic and Hearts on a regular basis

However. Newcastle are at the stage they now need to compete with their competitors who are throwing foreign money around - their Man City are our Motherwell and Dundee United, why should they be left behind? I absolutely love Newcastle, me and the missus go down every couple months and the locals are sound, football daft and genuinely humble, and unlike those the further south you go, genuinely understanding of the game up here and the challenges we face as they have faced similar albeit on a bigger scale. English football is already ruined with Arabian and Russian money so why shouldn’t they get involved? It’s not as if they’ve had a leg up on their competition, Chelsea for instance have had a 20 year head start

I hate modern football but the way it is with foreign oil money is just how it’s going to be down there- let Newcastle get on with it, they deserve to buy silverware every bit as much as long suffering Man city and Chelsea supporters did

One thing I will say - without sounding like a snob thank god we’ll never be at the level when our social media is full of know it all armchair supporters from every corner of the globe who never get near the stadium of the team they follow from 3000 miles.

Its unrelatable to our game and thank ****. I wouldn’t swap Scottish football for anything.

Imagine your life being that hollow and lacking something that to feel relevant, your identity is being latched onto a football team who play in a city hundreds of miles from the city you were born and grew up in. Cockney Reds, Liverpool supporters from Suffolk, Inverness Celtic fans, borders based huns, etc are every bit as sad as eachother. Poisoning every small town in Scotland who have an alternative local side that should be getting followed.

[MWHIBBIES]

Why? That not what Man City did. Can they not argue it is external revenue.

City went to court for it over this and their other types of money laundering. I think uefa will be watching every move Newcastle make and wont let that happen again.

[heretoday]

I hope Gerrard goes to Newcastle and gets replaced by the next Caixinha.

Bring it on! They might swap him for Steve Bruce actually.

[Since452]

Good on them. I genuinely wouldn’t want it to happen to Hibs - money off the scale and blowing your relative competitors out the water. I just want to be at a level where we compete with Celtic and Rangers every year, I have zero interest in buying our way into the champions league group stage. I don’t follow Hibs for the glory ties every year, if that’s all I wanted I’d support Man U. I just want to pump Rangers, Celtic and Hearts on a regular basis

However. Newcastle are at the stage they now need to compete with their competitors who are throwing foreign money around - their Man City are our Motherwell and Dundee United, why should they be left behind? I absolutely love Newcastle, me and the missus go down every couple months and the locals are sound, football daft and genuinely humble, and unlike those the further south you go, genuinely understanding of the game up here and the challenges we face as they have faced similar albeit on a bigger scale. English football is already ruined with Arabian and Russian money so why shouldn’t they get involved? It’s not as if they’ve had a leg up on their competition, Chelsea for instance have had a 20 year head start

I hate modern football but the way it is with foreign oil money is just how it’s going to be down there- let Newcastle get on with it, they deserve to buy silverware every bit as much as long suffering Man city and Chelsea supporters did

One thing I will say - without sounding like a snob thank god we’ll never be at the level when our social media is full of know it all armchair supporters from every corner of the globe who never get near the stadium of the team they follow from 3000 miles.

Its unrelatable to our game and thank ****. I wouldn’t swap Scottish football for anything.

Imagine your life being that hollow and lacking something that to feel relevant, your identity is being latched onto a football team who play in a city hundreds of miles from the city you were born and grew up in. Cockney Reds, Liverpool supporters from Suffolk, Inverness Celtic fans, borders based huns, etc are every bit as sad as eachother. Poisoning every small town in Scotland who have an alternative local side that should be getting followed.

Agree word for word

[Bangkok Hibby]

Good on them. I genuinely wouldn’t want it to happen to Hibs - money off the scale and blowing your relative competitors out the water. I just want to be at a level where we compete with Celtic and Rangers every year, I have zero interest in buying our way into the champions league group stage. I don’t follow Hibs for the glory ties every year, if that’s all I wanted I’d support Man U. I just want to pump Rangers, Celtic and Hearts on a regular basis

However. Newcastle are at the stage they now need to compete with their competitors who are throwing foreign money around - their Man City are our Motherwell and Dundee United, why should they be left behind? I absolutely love Newcastle, me and the missus go down every couple months and the locals are sound, football daft and genuinely humble, and unlike those the further south you go, genuinely understanding of the game up here and the challenges we face as they have faced similar albeit on a bigger scale. English football is already ruined with Arabian and Russian money so why shouldn’t they get involved? It’s not as if they’ve had a leg up on their competition, Chelsea for instance have had a 20 year head start

I hate modern football but the way it is with foreign oil money is just how it’s going to be down there- let Newcastle get on with it, they deserve to buy silverware every bit as much as long suffering Man city and Chelsea supporters did

One thing I will say - without sounding like a snob thank god we’ll never be at the level when our social media is full of know it all armchair supporters from every corner of the globe who never get near the stadium of the team they follow from 3000 miles.

Its unrelatable to our game and thank ****. I wouldn’t swap Scottish football for anything.

Imagine your life being that hollow and lacking something that to feel relevant, your identity is being latched onto a football team who play in a city hundreds of miles from the city you were born and grew up in. Cockney Reds, Liverpool supporters from Suffolk, Inverness Celtic fans, borders based huns, etc are every bit as sad as eachother. Poisoning every small town in Scotland who have an alternative local side that should be getting followed.

Well said Sean.

[Crunchie]

I think it's interesting that all the chat from the new owners of Newcastle seems to mention a 5-10 year timescale.

It was mentioned earlier on the thread that Man City didn't go from Dickov to Aguero overnight. There was a period in between when they arguably overpaid for good players to bridge that gap and build a platform that attracted better players. It was alleged that Robinho though he was signing for United when he pitched up in Manchester. It took 4 years from takeover to City winning their 1st title and they followed that up by watching Man Utd retake their crown and losing to Wigan in an FA Cup Final. The CL still remains elusive albeit they are getting closer.

What Man City have achieved now, and Chelsea achieve before them, is they are just accepted as being one of the top teams now. There's little talk of short termism or bubbles bursting anymore. When it comes to top players they have every chance of getting them. Newcastle will have to go through that period as well. I don't think they will be replacing Joelinton with Mbappe just yet but in time they will do exactly what Chelsea and City have done. Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal etc are all huge entities in their own right but if they are being blown out the water in terms of wages and transfer fees then all the tradition in the world means nothing.
Any timescale or achievement will rely entirely on getting the right manager, if they get it right first time it could be quicker, get it wrong it could be a lot longer. I wish them all the very best.

[The Spaceman]

They are a genuinely huge club in their own right so I will enjoy how much this will upset the proper nouveau riche clubs such as City and Chelsea. Whole game down there is ****** though - where does it go from here?

[Scouse Hibee]

A new managers first job may be to get them promoted after they are relegated this season. A long way to go to bridge the massive gap between them and the elite teams.

[mjhibby]

Good on them. I genuinely wouldn’t want it to happen to Hibs - money off the scale and blowing your relative competitors out the water. I just want to be at a level where we compete with Celtic and Rangers every year, I have zero interest in buying our way into the champions league group stage. I don’t follow Hibs for the glory ties every year, if that’s all I wanted I’d support Man U. I just want to pump Rangers, Celtic and Hearts on a regular basis

However. Newcastle are at the stage they now need to compete with their competitors who are throwing foreign money around - their Man City are our Motherwell and Dundee United, why should they be left behind? I absolutely love Newcastle, me and the missus go down every couple months and the locals are sound, football daft and genuinely humble, and unlike those the further south you go, genuinely understanding of the game up here and the challenges we face as they have faced similar albeit on a bigger scale. English football is already ruined with Arabian and Russian money so why shouldn’t they get involved? It’s not as if they’ve had a leg up on their competition, Chelsea for instance have had a 20 year head start

I hate modern football but the way it is with foreign oil money is just how it’s going to be down there- let Newcastle get on with it, they deserve to buy silverware every bit as much as long suffering Man city and Chelsea supporters did

One thing I will say - without sounding like a snob thank god we’ll never be at the level when our social media is full of know it all armchair supporters from every corner of the globe who never get near the stadium of the team they follow from 3000 miles.

Its unrelatable to our game and thank ****. I wouldn’t swap Scottish football for anything.

Imagine your life being that hollow and lacking something that to feel relevant, your identity is being latched onto a football team who play in a city hundreds of miles from the city you were born and grew up in. Cockney Reds, Liverpool supporters from Suffolk, Inverness Celtic fans, borders based huns, etc are every bit as sad as eachother. Poisoning every small town in Scotland who have an alternative local side that should be getting followed.

I'm sure most decent fans would totally agree with your sentiments. To me clubs like Chelsea and citeh are soulless clubs with no values except to win. Never watch them and have no interest in them. Money is and will continue to ruin football. Gradually losing interest in the epl bar watching Villa,Brentford etc. I can see Newcastle being fifth or sixth each year and the fans being just as frustrated as they are now. Be careful what you wish for.

[berwickhibee]

Always found them a bit of an odd club. Big crowds seem guaranteed but no trophies since 1955 and rarely even close to being successful since then.

Even if I was a success starved Newcastle fan who justifiably loathed Ashley tho I don't think I'd be rushing to celebrate this deal.

Big crowds returned with keegan the player but had spells in the 80s too where crowds were regularly below 20000, I used to pay at the gate to get in.

Remember a few games where crowds were below 10000

[Souter96Mac]

I'm sure most decent fans would totally agree with your sentiments. To me clubs like Chelsea and citeh are soulless clubs with no values except to win. Never watch them and have no interest in them. Money is and will continue to ruin football. Gradually losing interest in the epl bar watching Villa,Brentford etc. I can see Newcastle being fifth or sixth each year and the fans being just as frustrated as they are now. Be careful what you wish for.
I'd would bite your hand off for top 10 never mind 5th/6th 😂😂

I'm sure the feelings of grandeur will sink in over the next coming years, but Newcastle fans just want the opportunity to compete. That opportunity hasn't been there for the last 14 years. Ashley is an awful man who has treated not only the football club with contempt, but the city too. Every he touches turns to absolute *****.

Buzzing for the Spurs game in a couple weekends time, don't think I've been so excited to go to a Toon game in a long time.

[Keith_M]

Is there a league table of the amount of money being pumped into clubs by dubious foreign owners?

[Pagan Hibernia]

You have to wonder about this ‘fit and proper owner’ test or whatever the FA call it when they’re assessing potential investors

I mean what would it take to actually fail one?

the FA are as weak and spineless as their counterparts north of the border.

[mjhibby]

I'd would bite your hand off for top 10 never mind 5th/6th 😂😂

I'm sure the feelings of grandeur will sink in over the next coming years, but Newcastle fans just want the opportunity to compete. That opportunity hasn't been there for the last 14 years. Ashley is an awful man who has treated not only the football club with contempt, but the city too. Every he touches turns to absolute *****.

Buzzing for the Spurs game in a couple weekends time, don't think I've been so excited to go to a Toon game in a long time.

Then the sense of entitlement will kick in and constant change of managers. They may get the right manager bit I can see it not going swimmingly.

[Bostonhibby]

Is there a league table of the amount of money being pumped into clubs by dubious foreign owners?Sadly, if unknown investors (overseas or otherwise) can buy up large swathes of the country with money of unknown origin through shell companies so we will never know who they are, there's no way the money folk who dominate football are going to seriously care who owns the clubs and what's left of their heritage and history.

I'm fond of Newcastle as a club but it's remarkable that the jump from the generally despised Ashley to the current arrangement is heralded unconditionally.



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[Jones28]

Good on them. I genuinely wouldn’t want it to happen to Hibs - money off the scale and blowing your relative competitors out the water. I just want to be at a level where we compete with Celtic and Rangers every year, I have zero interest in buying our way into the champions league group stage. I don’t follow Hibs for the glory ties every year, if that’s all I wanted I’d support Man U. I just want to pump Rangers, Celtic and Hearts on a regular basis

However. Newcastle are at the stage they now need to compete with their competitors who are throwing foreign money around - their Man City are our Motherwell and Dundee United, why should they be left behind? I absolutely love Newcastle, me and the missus go down every couple months and the locals are sound, football daft and genuinely humble, and unlike those the further south you go, genuinely understanding of the game up here and the challenges we face as they have faced similar albeit on a bigger scale. English football is already ruined with Arabian and Russian money so why shouldn’t they get involved? It’s not as if they’ve had a leg up on their competition, Chelsea for instance have had a 20 year head start

I hate modern football but the way it is with foreign oil money is just how it’s going to be down there- let Newcastle get on with it, they deserve to buy silverware every bit as much as long suffering Man city and Chelsea supporters did

One thing I will say - without sounding like a snob thank god we’ll never be at the level when our social media is full of know it all armchair supporters from every corner of the globe who never get near the stadium of the team they follow from 3000 miles.

Its unrelatable to our game and thank ****. I wouldn’t swap Scottish football for anything.

Imagine your life being that hollow and lacking something that to feel relevant, your identity is being latched onto a football team who play in a city hundreds of miles from the city you were born and grew up in. Cockney Reds, Liverpool supporters from Suffolk, Inverness Celtic fans, borders based huns, etc are every bit as sad as eachother. Poisoning every small town in Scotland who have an alternative local side that should be getting followed.

Top post, very well said Sean.

[Moulin Yarns]

Will there be a link up with Dundee United? :wink:

[Weegreenman]

Really happy for Newcastle supporters, if any support deserved success it’s them.

However I don’t see these people who have taken over as fit and proper. Football sold its soul many years ago unfortunately, the bubble will surely burst at some point you’d think!

[EI255]

Another club who'll suddenly become a fairy tale.

Not for me.

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[Green_one]

Any timescale or achievement will rely entirely on getting the right manager, if they get it right first time it could be quicker, get it wrong it could be a lot longer. I wish them all the very best.

I sort of look forward to the car crash of it all. If Newcastle were ala the Keegan era it would be great but all that is gone. We are in a period of excess. Now they have 5 huge teams fighting over 4 vital European places and that’s if you ignore Arsenal and Spurs. In the old days someone from Blackburn could step up with some cash and win a league. Now there is a traffic jam of clubs with big money. They cannot all succeed.

Teams like Everton and Leicester are almost wasting their time now trying to join the big boys. I have my doubts about Newcastle winning a league that quickly purely because of the huge quality gap and number of serious rivals. As I said it will be interesting watching it. Hope the Newcastle fans like being joined by the prawn sandwich brigade and random tourists shouting shoot.

[Weegreenman]

I’ve just read that 80% of the shares in the club are now owned by the head of the Saudi state Bin Salman

This is the same guy who had a journalist executed in Instanbul allegedly.

So on one hand we’re all supposed to be buying into taking the knee and on the other they are taking dirty money.

Football once again has shown it has no moral compass.

I wonder if any of the high paid Pl players will take a stand? Not on your nelly!

[EdinMike]

I hope it fails miserably and they end up relegated this season and waste millions chasing nothing.

But that’s my sense of humour in a nutshell !

[norhfc]

I think this buy over will rip the soul out of Newcastle, the figure heads they have put in place don,t hide the actual owners, Saudi sheiks with human rights issues to say the least. I,m wondering how long it will take before I see Newcastle tops and pubs filled with their fans here in Norway. It happened with Chelsea and Man City, I,m now even noticing PSG tops around. Its all a bit of a circus and put me off the EPL a long time ago, but saying that I still watch games but pick them very carefully.

[Scouse Hibee]

I sort of look forward to the car crash of it all. If Newcastle were ala the Keegan era it would be great but all that is gone. We are in a period of excess. Now they have 5 huge teams fighting over 4 vital European places and that’s if you ignore Arsenal and Spurs. In the old days someone from Blackburn could step up with some cash and win a league. Now there is a traffic jam of clubs with big money. They cannot all succeed.

Teams like Everton and Leicester are almost wasting their time now trying to join the big boys. I have my doubts about Newcastle winning a league that quickly purely because of the huge quality gap and number of serious rivals. As I said it will be interesting watching it. Hope the Newcastle fans like being joined by the prawn sandwich brigade and random tourists shouting shoot.

Leicester weren’t one of the big boys when they won the league.

[Weegreenman]

I think this buy over will rip the soul out of Newcastle, the figure heads they have put in place don,t hide the actual owners, Saudi sheiks with human rights issues to say the least. I,m wondering how long it will take before I see Newcastle tops and pubs filled with their fans here in Norway. It happened with Chelsea and Man City, I,m now even noticing PSG tops around. Its all a bit of a circus and put me off the EPL a long time ago, but saying that I still watch games but pick them very carefully.

Manchester City was a classic example of this. I think most of the Man City fans out with Manchester supported them because of the Oasis connection..

[mjhibby]

I hope it fails miserably and they end up relegated this season and waste millions chasing nothing.

But that’s my sense of humour in a nutshell !

The goerdies don't deserve that but them being ecstatic about the takeover leaves a sour taste. Shows how bad they despised Ashley that they welcome this takeover. At least with Leicester they have become part of the community. You will only see the owners at man utd or Liverpool games or if they manage to get to a cup final. Same as the horrible godolphin in horse racing who ordered the killing of the journalist absolutely sickening that these disgusting folk are welcomed with open arms. Romanov was a Saint in comparison to them.

[MrSmith]

I’ve just read that 80% of the shares in the club are now owned by the head of the Saudi state Bin Salman

This is the same guy who had a journalist executed in Instanbul allegedly.

So on one hand we’re all supposed to be buying into taking the knee and on the other they are taking dirty money.

Football once again has shown it has no moral compass.

I wonder if any of the high paid Pl players will take a stand? Not on your nelly!

One in the same!

[mjhibby]

Leicester weren’t one of the big boys when they won the league.

Indeed they weren't. The likes of Morgan,Schmeichel, vardy,maddison etc cost very little. Was a genuine miracle they won the league. Probably the catalyst for even more spending by the big boys so it doesn't happen again.

[Lago]

Top post, very well said Sean.
Admire the sentiment but, Hibs realistically will never compete regularly with Celtic and Rangers now or in the future, I'm afraid the economics of the game in Scotland are against it. But we live in hope.

[heretoday]

Gerrard's a shoe-in for the job.
He's got a title-winning record and he has experience of working for a despicable regime.

[Billy Whizz]

Gerrard's a shoe-in for the job.
He's got a title-winning record and he has experience of working for a despicable regime.

Wonder who our weegie neighbours would replace him with, would have to meet the expectations of the peeple

[Kato]

Might as well be the Taliban bought Newcastle.

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[Dalianwanda]

The goerdies don't deserve that but them being ecstatic about the takeover leaves a sour taste. Shows how bad they despised Ashley that they welcome this takeover. At least with Leicester they have become part of the community. You will only see the owners at man utd or Liverpool games or if they manage to get to a cup final. Same as the horrible godolphin in horse racing who ordered the killing of the journalist absolutely sickening that these disgusting folk are welcomed with open arms. Romanov was a Saint in comparison to them.

Or will any journalists take a stand and refuse to work with them ? doubt it but if they had any morals they should.

[eastmainsmsh]

Will they bring back tudor crisps

[hibsbollah]

Or will any journalists take a stand and refuse to work with them ? doubt it but if they had any morals they should.

The local Chronicle is a weird paper. It’s only in print because of the Geordies need to have three or four pages of NUFC news every day, it’s an absolute goldfish bowl where news has to be generated whether there’s any actual news or not. They have a Siamese Twin relationship with the football club, with some journalists ostracised if they don’t print favourable stories. I can’t begin to imagine the relationship between their journalists and the club now. They will be in an absolute frenzy, like the rest of the city.

[McSwanky]

Might as well be the Taliban bought Newcastle.

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https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/taliban-to-take-over-middlesbrough-fc-20211008212884

[Kato]

https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/taliban-to-take-over-middlesbrough-fc-20211008212884

:wink: It's chimes because in reality there is zero difference between the regimes.

[heretoday]

The local Chronicle is a weird paper. It’s only in print because of the Geordies need to have three or four pages of NUFC news every day, it’s an absolute goldfish bowl where news has to be generated whether there’s any actual news or not. They have a Siamese Twin relationship with the football club, with some journalists ostracised if they don’t print favourable stories. I can’t begin to imagine the relationship between their journalists and the club now. They will be in an absolute frenzy, like the rest of the city.

The club's new masters can be very harsh on errant journos.

[hibbydog]

Good on them. I genuinely wouldn’t want it to happen to Hibs - money off the scale and blowing your relative competitors out the water. I just want to be at a level where we compete with Celtic and Rangers every year, I have zero interest in buying our way into the champions league group stage. I don’t follow Hibs for the glory ties every year, if that’s all I wanted I’d support Man U. I just want to pump Rangers, Celtic and Hearts on a regular basis

However. Newcastle are at the stage they now need to compete with their competitors who are throwing foreign money around - their Man City are our Motherwell and Dundee United, why should they be left behind? I absolutely love Newcastle, me and the missus go down every couple months and the locals are sound, football daft and genuinely humble, and unlike those the further south you go, genuinely understanding of the game up here and the challenges we face as they have faced similar albeit on a bigger scale. English football is already ruined with Arabian and Russian money so why shouldn’t they get involved? It’s not as if they’ve had a leg up on their competition, Chelsea for instance have had a 20 year head start

I hate modern football but the way it is with foreign oil money is just how it’s going to be down there- let Newcastle get on with it, they deserve to buy silverware every bit as much as long suffering Man city and Chelsea supporters did

One thing I will say - without sounding like a snob thank god we’ll never be at the level when our social media is full of know it all armchair supporters from every corner of the globe who never get near the stadium of the team they follow from 3000 miles.

Its unrelatable to our game and thank ****. I wouldn’t swap Scottish football for anything.

Imagine your life being that hollow and lacking something that to feel relevant, your identity is being latched onto a football team who play in a city hundreds of miles from the city you were born and grew up in. Cockney Reds, Liverpool supporters from Suffolk, Inverness Celtic fans, borders based huns, etc are every bit as sad as eachother. Poisoning every small town in Scotland who have an alternative local side that should be getting followed.

Sensible post and totally agree.

[Bostonhibby]

I’ve just read that 80% of the shares in the club are now owned by the head of the Saudi state Bin Salman

This is the same guy who had a journalist executed in Instanbul allegedly.

So on one hand we’re all supposed to be buying into taking the knee and on the other they are taking dirty money.

Football once again has shown it has no moral compass.

I wonder if any of the high paid Pl players will take a stand? Not on your nelly!Sounds like their despot is going to be bigger than other clubs money launderers, arms dealers, etc but he is a particularly toxic character by the sounds of it.

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[FilipinoHibs]

Saudi the second biggest oil producer behind US and ahead of Russia and Canada. The money will keep on flowing.

[allmodcons]

Obscene. Football is ****ed when these types use it as a play thing.

Footballing success bought and paid for by a dictator responsible for countless human rights violations. No thanks.

[Since452]

Actually, on second thoughts, I wouldn't mind the same thing happening to Hibs at all. Imagine blowing Celtic and Rangers out of the water financially, having them complaining that they can't compete with our budget and giving them a taste of their own medicine, winning trophy after trophy... I'd love it. Wouldn't take a gigantic investment to achieve regular Champions League football with Hibs. As long as we play in green and white and play at Easter Road that'll do me.

[allmodcons]

I’ve just read that 80% of the shares in the club are now owned by the head of the Saudi state Bin Salman

This is the same guy who had a journalist executed in Instanbul allegedly.

So on one hand we’re all supposed to be buying into taking the knee and on the other they are taking dirty money.

Football once again has shown it has no moral compass.

I wonder if any of the high paid Pl players will take a stand? Not on your nelly!

Good post WGM.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/middle-east-and-north-africa/saudi-arabia/report-saudi-arabia/

[Radium]

https://youtu.be/SE3qbz8dDYw

… the resolution of TV rights in the Arabian Peninsula seems have led to the quick turnaround…

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[EI255]

I sort of look forward to the car crash of it all. If Newcastle were ala the Keegan era it would be great but all that is gone. We are in a period of excess. Now they have 5 huge teams fighting over 4 vital European places and that’s if you ignore Arsenal and Spurs. In the old days someone from Blackburn could step up with some cash and win a league. Now there is a traffic jam of clubs with big money. They cannot all succeed.

Teams like Everton and Leicester are almost wasting their time now trying to join the big boys. I have my doubts about Newcastle winning a league that quickly purely because of the huge quality gap and number of serious rivals. As I said it will be interesting watching it. Hope the Newcastle fans like being joined by the prawn sandwich brigade and random tourists shouting shoot.Seriously don't think their fans will care about tourists coming to visit

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[Smartie]

Actually, on second thoughts, I wouldn't mind the same thing happening to Hibs at all. Imagine blowing Celtic and Rangers out of the water financially, having them complaining that they can't compete with our budget and giving them a taste of their own medicine, winning trophy after trophy... I'd love it. Wouldn't take a gigantic investment to achieve regular Champions League football with Hibs. As long as we play in green and white and play at Easter Road that'll do me.

I’m not all that into the EPL, elite football or atrocious owners owning football clubs but there’s something delicious about those who had previously bought success moaning about money ruining the game when they are left behind when the newer and bigger fish comes along.

[Killiehibbie]

I wonder if all this money will do anything to help the 40% of children living in poverty in the area?

[He's here!]

Obscene. Football is ****ed when these types use it as a play thing.

Footballing success bought and paid for by a dictator responsible for countless human rights violations. No thanks.

It's already ****ed IMHO. This Newcastle takeover is just another buy your way to success story. I can't remember the last time I watched a Premier League game, let alone a Champions League match. They can dress it up whatever way they want, but the truth is that the soul was sucked out the game at that level long ago.

[Coco Bryce]

Big Ron has more cash than all of them put together :greengrin

[Coco Bryce]

Obscene. Football is ****ed when these types use it as a play thing.

Footballing success bought and paid for by a dictator responsible for countless human rights violations. No thanks.

Same as people that go to Dubai for their holidays. No thanks.

UAE another who violates a number of fundamental human rights and discriminates against women, migrants and LGBT community.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Newcastle takeover: Amnesty International urges Premier League to change owners' and directors' test - BBC Sport (https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/58827632)

Amnesty International has urged the Premier League to change its owners' and directors' test "to address human rights issues" amid the Saudi Arabian-backed takeover of Newcastle United.

"Instead of allowing those implicated in serious human rights violations to walk into English football simply because they have deep pockets, we've urged the Premier League to change their owners' and directors' test to address human rights issues," said Sacha Deshmukh, Amnesty International chief executive.
"The phrase 'human rights' doesn't even appear in the owners' and directors' test despite English football supposedly adhering to Fifa standards. We've sent the Premier League a suggested new human rights-compliant test and we reiterate our call on them to overhaul their standards on this

It is believed a resolution came after Saudi Arabia settled an alleged piracy dispute with Qatar-based broadcaster beIN Sports, which owns rights to show Premier League matches in the Middle East.


i'm quite sure all the premier league care about is money :agree:

[Bishop Hibee]

No Christian churches allowed in Saudi Arabia despite their being an estimated 1.8m Christians, mostly Filipinos, in the country. I’d give up Hibs if we had owners who were part of such a vile regime.

[007]

https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/sport/19635036.rangers-boss-steven-gerrard-intrigued-newcastle-ex-celtic-manager-brendan-rodgers-considered/

Gerrard apparently "intrigued" at the prospect of the Newcastle job. If he's saying he's intrigued by it, that means he wants it. Would laugh my head off if he's gone before Rangers' next game.

[hibsbollah]

Also worth bearing in mind that this is just the continuation of a pattern, even if Saudi is an extreme case; there’s concerns about Man City’s ownership, PSGs ownership, Chelsea’s ownership, corruption in FIFA, corruption in UEFA, continued toleration of racism, Qatar being awarded the World Cup, huge debts in Spain and Italy, it IS unfair to be picking on Geordies when the whole top level of football is swimming in malpractice.

If you like top level football you just have to accept all that comes as part of the package.

[cabbageandribs1875]

No Christian churches allowed in Saudi Arabia despite their being an estimated 1.8m Christians, mostly Filipinos, in the country. I’d give up Hibs if we had owners who were part of such a vile regime.


conversion from islam is punishable by death, what a backword country, what religion asks for the deaths of those of other religions...how so, ermm how can i put it, modern :rolleyes:

[Hector Mudflap]

Actually, on second thoughts, I wouldn't mind the same thing happening to Hibs at all. Imagine blowing Celtic and Rangers out of the water financially, having them complaining that they can't compete with our budget and giving them a taste of their own medicine, winning trophy after trophy... I'd love it. Wouldn't take a gigantic investment to achieve regular Champions League football with Hibs. As long as we play in green and white and play at Easter Road that'll do me.


I'd be happy with that- these money people want the glamour and prestige of winning the big tournaments. I don't know why one of them doesn't buy Celtic Rangers Aberdeen or Us . (forget Hearts as maroon is such a nasty cheap colour) It would be incredibly inexpensive in comparison now to buy the Scottish premier crown and then waltz into the group Champions league. You only have to look at Gretna to see the results of what can be achieved. They just lost their banker in the end.
Money changes every thing - players would come to Edinburgh if the wage was right and it guaranteed them champions league football. Newcastle are about to enter that circle and do what Man Utd, Man City, Chelsea, Spurs etc have already done.

The romantic notion of the game is long gone -

Come on "The Hibernian Consortium Investment Portfolio 2031 Inc" !
Lets get right into that "The Heart of Midlothian equity hedge fund" share price" !

[ScottB]

You have to wonder about this ‘fit and proper owner’ test or whatever the FA call it when they’re assessing potential investors

I mean what would it take to actually fail one?

the FA are as weak and spineless as their counterparts north of the border.

Mess with their TV rights.

The Saudis were blocked as long as they were pirating the games domestically. Now they’ve stopped, all is well.

[Hector Mudflap]

It's already ****ed IMHO. This Newcastle takeover is just another buy your way to success story. I can't remember the last time I watched a Premier League game, let alone a Champions League match. They can dress it up whatever way they want, but the truth is that the soul was sucked out the game at that level long ago.


Anyone still subscribing to Sky Sports and lapping up the EPL and Champions league are exacerbating the problem. IMHO
If no-one was watching then no company would advertise and the money would disappear. I have seen kids in PSG strips in our local park. WTH??? Bad enough when it was Barcelona and Real Madrid but French league ???
Fifa on xbox and Playstation force feed it to kids but in my mind it started with Sky.
We have more subscribers per head of population than anywhere else in Europe for Sky football.

and look what they have paid for our game..

Get rid of sky

(and the French)

[Since452]

Anyone still subscribing to Sky Sports and lapping up the EPL and Champions league are exacerbating the problem. IMHO
If no-one was watching then no company would advertise and the money would disappear. I have seen kids in PSG strips in our local park. WTH??? Bad enough when it was Barcelona and Real Madrid but French league ???
Fifa on xbox and Playstation force feed it to kids but in my mind it started with Sky.
We have more subscribers per head of population than anywhere else in Europe for Sky football.

and look what they have paid for our game..

Get rid of sky

(and the French)

Sooner everyone gets a dodgy firestick the better. Parasites.

[GreenCastle]

Seriously don't think their fans will care about tourists coming to visit

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Most EPL games have lots of tourists - it’s a competition known world wide.

Quite a few dated opinions on here about supporting teams from a far. Many fans move away for various reasons - Hibs have supporters all around the world - some born in Edinburgh - some born elsewhere. It doesn’t really matter if they support the club.

I get the local connection part and feeling part of the club you support - having been to various EPL games some clubs definitely feel more touristy than others with less die hards.

The community part is tricky to put into context - Man City have redeveloped a lot of the area around the stadium for example.

Many fans were happy when Ron Gordon got involved with Hibs - he’s made quite a difference in a short space of time - if we were to be taken over by an even richer person / group of people and we regularly beat the Old Firm and Jambos - I really couldn’t see folk complaining.

[Smartie]

https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/sport/19635036.rangers-boss-steven-gerrard-intrigued-newcastle-ex-celtic-manager-brendan-rodgers-considered/

Gerrard apparently "intrigued" at the prospect of the Newcastle job. If he's saying he's intrigued by it, that means he wants it. Would laugh my head off if he's gone before Rangers' next game.

In fairness - if the new Newcastle owners are looking for someone who has experienced working under a vile regime of religious bigots with a proven track record of excessively punishing journalists etc then Stevie G might just be the man.

He’ll probably end up getting the soles of his feet cut off for cocking up the title though.

[GreenCastle]

Anyone still subscribing to Sky Sports and lapping up the EPL and Champions league are exacerbating the problem. IMHO
If no-one was watching then no company would advertise and the money would disappear. I have seen kids in PSG strips in our local park. WTH??? Bad enough when it was Barcelona and Real Madrid but French league ???
Fifa on xbox and Playstation force feed it to kids but in my mind it started with Sky.
We have more subscribers per head of population than anywhere else in Europe for Sky football.

and look what they have paid for our game..

Get rid of sky

(and the French)

You could also say Scottish Football needs to sort itself out and promote itself better amongst other things.

Even such things as sorting the national stadium out and making the game less about the Old Firm would grow the product. There are plenty Old firm fans around the world too - supporters clubs in many places. Success will bring the fans in (sell shirts too) at any club.

[AliboyFC]

Sooner everyone gets a dodgy firestick the better. Parasites.

Already have one 😁

[GreenCastle]

https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/sport/19635036.rangers-boss-steven-gerrard-intrigued-newcastle-ex-celtic-manager-brendan-rodgers-considered/

Gerrard apparently "intrigued" at the prospect of the Newcastle job. If he's saying he's intrigued by it, that means he wants it. Would laugh my head off if he's gone before Rangers' next game.

From a Hibs point of view Gerrard and Beale plus staff leaving would be a very good thing. Especially mid season - but then again it would also benefit Hearts (Hearts also play the Huns next).

But I’m just not sure they will go for him as he’s only won the league in 3 seasons ! 1 trophy !!

Even last season St Johnstone won more using less resources.

Gerrard would be found out very quickly in the EPL.

Rodgers / Rafa - these are the kind of managers who will improve the club.

Bruce will be gone before Spurs as they will want to start a fresh. He won’t be bothered with an £8 million pay off supposedly!

[Tommy75]

From a Hibs point of view Gerrard and Beale plus staff leaving would be a very good thing. Especially mid season - but then again it would also benefit Hearts (Hearts also play the Huns next).

But I’m just not sure they will go for him as he’s only won the league in 3 seasons ! 1 trophy !!

Even last season St Johnstone won more using less resources.

Gerrard would be found out very quickly in the EPL.

Rodgers / Rafa - these are the kind of managers who will improve the club.

Bruce will be gone before Spurs as they will want to start a fresh. He won’t be bothered with an £8 million pay off supposedly!

Yeah, 1 trophy out of 9 (domestic) for Gerrard is a pretty poor return. He's just fortunate that the 1 trophy he has won stopped Celtic's 10 in a row and was the new clubs first major trophy so was seen as some sort of triumph. All things considered he's hardly been a roaring success up here. Think Newcastle should go for someone who has shown they can deliver on the big stage with experience of managing top class players.

[Sir David Gray]

Same as people that go to Dubai for their holidays. No thanks.

UAE another who violates a number of fundamental human rights and discriminates against women, migrants and LGBT community.

Agreed, I wouldn't go to Dubai if you paid me.

[Hibernia&Alba]

You have to wonder about this ‘fit and proper owner’ test or whatever the FA call it when they’re assessing potential investors

I mean what would it take to actually fail one?

the FA are as weak and spineless as their counterparts north of the border.

Indeed. A guy who actually had a journalist murdered and dismembered. It's just bizarre. If they can do that, they will certainly be able to get around the FFP rules. When you have enough money, you get to decide what the rules are. In football as in life.

[cabbageandribs1875]

worth pointing out it's the Premier League that run the top League not the FA, the Premier league also watches over the 'image' of the league....somehow i don't think they're really all that interested in that image nowadays

[GreenCastle]

Also worth bearing in mind that this is just the continuation of a pattern, even if Saudi is an extreme case; there’s concerns about Man City’s ownership, PSGs ownership, Chelsea’s ownership, corruption in FIFA, corruption in UEFA, continued toleration of racism, Qatar being awarded the World Cup, huge debts in Spain and Italy, it IS unfair to be picking on Geordies when the whole top level of football is swimming in malpractice.

If you like top level football you just have to accept all that comes as part of the package.

Yup.

If Newcastle buy McGinn and we get a bit of money from the deal - are Hibs going to say no sorry we don’t want it ?

Also do the Scottish FA do a fit and proper test for owners in Scotland ?

Not even sure if there is financial fair play in Scotland or just the teams in Europe - but not sure how that works.

[heretoday]

There's something really pathetic about all those geordies celebrating the coming of the messiah. I understand that they're glad to see the back of Mr Sports Direct but at what cost?

[CropleyWasGod]

HMG won't tell us what they think for fear of "damaging relations" with Saudi.

:rolleyes:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58840820

[hibsbollah]

Yup.

If Newcastle buy McGinn and we get a bit of money from the deal - are Hibs going to say no sorry we don’t want it ?

Also do the Scottish FA do a fit and proper test for owners in Scotland ?

Not even sure if there is financial fair play in Scotland or just the teams in Europe - but not sure how that works.

FFP has been totally discredited and is nowhere near being close to where it was supposed to be, which is creating a level playing field. I can’t remember if it’s the independent panel for the arbitration of sport that decides these things, or it was an actual civil case, but when PSG were allowed the Mbappe loan to buy and the Neymar purchase consecutively for not far off 300 million Euro IIRC, you knew the system wasn’t working. If FFP worked, it wouldn’t dilute the quality of the football on show, it would spread the quality more equitably and the quality of play would increase. You see the opposite argued so often though.

[ian cruise]

conversion from islam is punishable by death, what a backword country, what religion asks for the deaths of those of other religions...how so, ermm how can i put it, modern :rolleyes:

Apologies for dragging this in to holy ground territory (no pun intended) but many religions do, including Christianity where apostasy was punishable with death by fire.

What you have are "modern" cultures where old religious text is still taken literally and ruled by fundamental religious governments and regimes. The religion itself is no better or worse that many other in regards to it's teachings, however many cultures have learned to not take the text (or the translations of text) so literally.

Point I'm making is you'll have many people who practice Islam that don't believe or agree with these practices and the Saudi regime and their adaption of Islam shouldn't be taken as a definitive version.

[hibsbollah]

Apologies for dragging this in to holy ground territory (no pun intended) but many religions do, including Christianity where apostasy was punishable with death by fire.

What you have are "modern" cultures where old religious text is still taken literally and ruled by fundamental religious governments and regimes. The religion itself is no better or worse that many other in regards to it's teachings, however many cultures have learned to not take the text (or the translations of text) so literally.

Point I'm making is you'll have many people who practice Islam that don't believe or agree with these practices and the Saudi regime and their adaption of Islam shouldn't be taken as a definitive version.

:agree: It’s not the presence of religion that’s the problem, it’s the absence of Enlightenment thinking.

[Hibernia&Alba]

HMG won't tell us what they think for fear of "damaging relations" with Saudi.

:rolleyes:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58840820

And they we have it, CWG. That's outrageous, but totally unsurprising. The money has talked - look the other way.

[Glory Lurker]

Crazy that the Saudi state has relinquished control of its own sovereign fund just so it can buy a football club. Has Corbyn taken over there or something?