Newcastle

[hibsbollah]

HMG won't tell us what they think for fear of "damaging relations" with Saudi.

:rolleyes:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58840820

That Labour MP needs to be careful. Looks like he’s trying to represent a constituency of ‘supporters concerned about human rights in relation to this takeover’ who are a tiny minority of his voters. 93% of fans want the takeover to happen.

[CMurdoch]

https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/taliban-to-take-over-middlesbrough-fc-20211008212884

That's good

[Hibernia&Alba]

SSN are saying the PIF consortium is worth £700 billion, which is 22 times the wealth of Man City. What the hell is this? It's just ridiculous; it reminds me of Dr Evil in Austin Powers: "why have £700 billion when you can have £700 million?"

£700 billion quid FFS :greengrin

It's getting metaphysical now. There is no such thing as £700 billion, it doesn't exist. It's a number on a computer screen somewhere; it doesn't mean anything.

[Yorkshire HFC]

Yup.

If Newcastle buy McGinn and we get a bit of money from the deal - are Hibs going to say no sorry we don’t want it ?

Also do the Scottish FA do a fit and proper test for owners in Scotland ?

Not even sure if there is financial fair play in Scotland or just the teams in Europe - but not sure how that works.

It's modern life - how far do you want to take it?

The Middle East finances a lot of UK companies.

Every time you fill your car up with petrol, do you ask where the petrol has come from? Do you refuse to buy it if it's come from Saudi Arabia?

I think they call it "progress".

[Paul1642]

I have no problem with clubs having rich owners. Owners who are down right evil are a different matter. The Saudi regime are nasty on a level that we should be having nothing to do with except for some economic sanctions. Very wrong and Newcastle can join the list of clubs I hope loose every weekend.

[Bostonhibby]

HMG won't tell us what they think for fear of "damaging relations" with Saudi.

:rolleyes:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58840820The last thing you want to do is fall out with a murderous regime who own large slices of london, even if you have a commitment to human rights, taking the knee, women's right and all the other stuff the electorate want to hear......



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[allmodcons]

Same as people that go to Dubai for their holidays. No thanks.

UAE another who violates a number of fundamental human rights and discriminates against women, migrants and LGBT community.

Agree 100%

[Iggy Pope]

Crazy that the Saudi state has relinquished control of its own sovereign fund just so it can buy a football club. Has Corbyn taken over there or something?

:greengrin

[Chip shop Joe]

The big question is will they be nicknamed the Shemagh’s!!

[greenginger]

The last thing you want to do is fall out with a murderous regime who own large slices of london, even if you have a commitment to human rights, taking the knee, women's right and all the other stuff the electorate want to hear......



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Yep, let’s invade them and turn them into a pillar of human rights democracy , just like we did with Iraq and Afganastan.

[Bostonhibby]

Yep, let’s invade them and turn them into a pillar of human rights democracy , just like we did with Iraq and Afganastan.Invade Newcastle?

Last time I was there as an interloper on a Saturday night for the football it didn't end well[emoji16]

Saudi Arabia ain't going to be invaded by anything that includes UK influence in our lifetime, given how much of our society they influence, and the acquiescence of institutions like Newcastle football club and geordies who support it doesn't persuade otherwise



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[PolmontHibby]

HMG won't tell us what they think for fear of "damaging relations" with Saudi.

:rolleyes:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58840820

For "damaging relations" read £20billion of arms sales in 5 years.....it always comes back to the money.

As for Newcastle, a complete failure of a club for many years and all they had left was their heritage......and now thats been flogged.

I would be all for going down the same route as Germany which bans foreign ownership of football clubs, and that includes Hibs.....but that is not going to happen.

[Greencore]

For "damaging relations" read £20billion of arms sales in 5 years.....it always comes back to the money.

As for Newcastle, a complete failure of a club for many years and all they had left was their heritage......and now thats been flogged.

I would be all for going down the same route as Germany which bans foreign ownership of football clubs, and that includes Hibs.....but that is not going to happen.


Hibernian's owner is foreign. Are you implying Ron shouldn't be in charge and ban him?

[Bostonhibby]

Hibernian's owner is foreign. Are you implying Ron shouldn't be in charge and ban him?I'd just be looking at not approving the ones that arrange for the summary execution of people that don't agree with them.

So far all Ron's done is put a bloody big telly where I wanted a helipad.

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[Paul1642]

Hibernian's owner is foreign. Are you implying Ron shouldn't be in charge and ban him?

When Ron becomes an oppressive dictator and arranges a few state sponsored assignations I’ll reconsider my opinion of him

[Radium]

https://youtu.be/zMD291LXzaU

Tifo Football channel linked to The Athletic describing the consortium that has taken over Newcastle.


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[jacomo]

https://youtu.be/zMD291LXzaU

Tifo Football channel linked to The Athletic describing the consortium that has taken over Newcastle.


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Follow the money. PIF is Saudi Arabia. PIF have put up 80% of the money so far and doubtless a lot more. They are represented on the board of NUFC.

Any supposed ‘assurances’ the Premier League received are irrelevant. NUFC is now owned by Saudi Arabia.

[jgl07]

Apparently the new owners are circa ten times wealthier than Man City's owners and are wealthier than all the other EPL owners combined. This could get really crazy.
But they will have to live within FFP expenditure limits.

The expenditure needed to get Newcastle up to a top-four team.

It isn't that easy to persuade players to move to the North East as Kevin Keegan found in the 1990s. Until they break into the top four with guaranteed access to the Champions League, they will have to pay substantially higher wages to attract top class players.

Manchester City (just about) made the transition before FFP came in. Indeed the idea behind FFP was to prevent the likes of Newcastle breaking up the Manchester United/Liverpool/Arsenal/Chesea cartel. That group dominated the EPL Champions' League places pretty well throughout the mid-2000s. Being in the Champions' League would double their turnover back then and made it difficult for anyone to compete.

Incompetent management, by Liverpool allowed first Spurs and then Manchester City to break into the top four. Arsenal subsequetly fell away from what had become the big-six.

Newcastle have great support will find it tough.

[007]

When Ron becomes an oppressive dictator and arranges a few state sponsored assignations I’ll reconsider my opinion of him

Gerrard better be careful with what he says about Porto. :cb

[ScottB]

FFP has been totally discredited and is nowhere near being close to where it was supposed to be, which is creating a level playing field. I can’t remember if it’s the independent panel for the arbitration of sport that decides these things, or it was an actual civil case, but when PSG were allowed the Mbappe loan to buy and the Neymar purchase consecutively for not far off 300 million Euro IIRC, you knew the system wasn’t working. If FFP worked, it wouldn’t dilute the quality of the football on show, it would spread the quality more equitably and the quality of play would increase. You see the opposite argued so often though.

FFP seemed more like an attempt to entrench the current elite and protect them from any more ‘new money’ clubs rather than an attempt to make the game genuinely sustainable.

At this point, may as well screw it. Let them spend what they like.

[jacomo]

That Labour MP needs to be careful. Looks like he’s trying to represent a constituency of ‘supporters concerned about human rights in relation to this takeover’ who are a tiny minority of his voters. 93% of fans want the takeover to happen.


He’s a she, by the way.

Aren’t politicians supposed to uphold the values of the system that elects them? Saudi Arabia is a theocracy that kills people for expressing freedom of thought and expression. Quite a lot to chew on, I’d have thought.

[overdrive]

I’m amazed they have a woman fronting the consortium given what the Saudi regime think of women. A woman that is married to an Iranian as well!

[green day]

Football focus - Newcastle fans loving the fact that they have new owners with deep pockets.

New owners who chop off peoples heads, murder journalists and despise women.

The EPL gets more disgusting by the week.

Dancing in the streets of the Toon though :rolleyes:

[Moulin Yarns]

Football focus - Newcastle fans loving the fact that they have new owners with deep pockets.

New owners who chop off peoples heads, murder journalists and despise women.

The EPL gets more disgusting by the week.

Dancing in the streets of the Toon though :rolleyes:

Maybe the fans could set up an alternative club, how does FC United of Newcastle sound? 😉

[Glory Lurker]

Maybe the fans could set up an alternative club, how does FC United of Newcastle sound? 😉

I would have respect for anyone supporting a move like this. If Hibs were taken over like this, I'd never be back at ER.

[green day]

I would have respect for anyone supporting a move like this. If Hibs were taken over like this, I'd never be back at ER.

Yep, me too - its like the Romanov thing x 1000

[Moulin Yarns]

Revised #nufc strip already launched by the club’s new dictators, sorry, directors…. https://t.co/wSAuC6m8qF

[Moulin Yarns]

Ha, ha.

If Newcastle aren't in the top 4 heads will roll.

[jacomo]

I’m amazed they have a woman fronting the consortium given what the Saudi regime think of women. A woman that is married to an Iranian as well!


It’s all about presentation. And money of course.

Lots of women have no problem earning their money from people who would deny their wives and daughters the same opportunity.

Apparently the answer to human rights abuses is just to put on a sad face and say things in a serious voice. Done.

[hibsbollah]

He’s a she, by the way.

Aren’t politicians supposed to uphold the values of the system that elects them? Saudi Arabia is a theocracy that kills people for expressing freedom of thought and expression. Quite a lot to chew on, I’d have thought.


Thanks, she is indeed a she:greengrin I actually agree with her comments, i just think she's on shaky territory in terms of public opinion locally. Obviously she has to balance her own values as a representative, and the expressed beliefs or her constituents, thats a tricky balance which all representative democracies like the UK struggle with. I dont agree politicians 'should uphold the values of the system that elects them'; that sounds like a dictatorship where nothing would ever change. But we're into semantics, i think i know what youre getting at.

[WhileTheChief..]

What’s in it for these foreign owners?

I get that you could argue folk like the Glaziers are in in it for the money in the longer term but that can’t be the Saudi’s plan, or these other mega rich owners.

Why choose English football? There are dozens of clubs around Europe they could buy much cheaper and get into the Champs League by spending big.

Are just trying to get a foothold in British culture for when the oil money dries up? They’d have come under far less scrutiny if they’d bought a Russian club for example.

They’re not doing it because they want to help the people of Newcastle, so what’s the end game?

Is it just a bunch of the super rich playing their equivalent of Subbuteo? I just don’t get it.

[660]

What’s in it for these foreign owners?

I get that you could argue folk like the Glaziers are in in it for the money in the longer term but that can’t be the Saudi’s plan, or these other mega rich owners.

Why choose English football? There are dozens of clubs around Europe they could buy much cheaper and get into the Champs League by spending big.

Are just trying to get a foothold in British culture for when the oil money dries up? They’d have come under far less scrutiny if they’d bought a Russian club for example.

They’re not doing it because they want to help the people of Newcastle, so what’s the end game?

Is it just a bunch of the super rich playing their equivalent of Subbuteo? I just don’t get it.

This article is the best I’ve read about it.

https://theathletic.com/1788335/2021/10/06/why-does-saudi-arabia-want-to-buy-newcastle-united/?source=user_shared_article

[The_Exile]

I think the most important question nobody has answered yet is how much money will the toon have to spend in next year's Football Manager?

[MWHIBBIES]

What’s in it for these foreign owners?

I get that you could argue folk like the Glaziers are in in it for the money in the longer term but that can’t be the Saudi’s plan, or these other mega rich owners.

Why choose English football? There are dozens of clubs around Europe they could buy much cheaper and get into the Champs League by spending big.

Are just trying to get a foothold in British culture for when the oil money dries up? They’d have come under far less scrutiny if they’d bought a Russian club for example.

They’re not doing it because they want to help the people of Newcastle, so what’s the end game?

Is it just a bunch of the super rich playing their equivalent of Subbuteo? I just don’t get it.
Sportswashing. The success of it is shown by man City.

[cabbageandribs1875]

This article is the best I’ve read about it.

https://theathletic.com/1788335/2021/10/06/why-does-saudi-arabia-want-to-buy-newcastle-united/?source=user_shared_article


appears subscription only ?

[jacomo]

Thanks, she is indeed a she:greengrin I actually agree with her comments, i just think she's on shaky territory in terms of public opinion locally. Obviously she has to balance her own values as a representative, and the expressed beliefs or her constituents, thats a tricky balance which all representative democracies like the UK struggle with. I dont agree politicians 'should uphold the values of the system that elects them'; that sounds like a dictatorship where nothing would ever change. But we're into semantics, i think i know what youre getting at.


Yes I’m not advocating for no change, just observing that elected politicians do also have a wider responsibility beyond their party affiliation to uphold basic standards of democracy.

She’s also on record in the HoC as describing Saudi Arabia as a murderous state, or similar. Doubt she’ll be invited to the directors box anytime soon!

[Lendo]

The other 19 clubs are united in there opposition to the takeover. Not a hint of irony from the likes of Man City.

[Hibernia&Alba]

What’s in it for these foreign owners?

I get that you could argue folk like the Glaziers are in in it for the money in the longer term but that can’t be the Saudi’s plan, or these other mega rich owners.

Why choose English football? There are dozens of clubs around Europe they could buy much cheaper and get into the Champs League by spending big.

Are just trying to get a foothold in British culture for when the oil money dries up? They’d have come under far less scrutiny if they’d bought a Russian club for example.

They’re not doing it because they want to help the people of Newcastle, so what’s the end game?

Is it just a bunch of the super rich playing their equivalent of Subbuteo? I just don’t get it.

Money laundering and other nefarious practices, plus diplomatic influence. Like you say, it isn't out of the goodness of their hearts or the love of the game.

[One Day Soon]

I’m amazed they have a woman fronting the consortium given what the Saudi regime think of women. A woman that is married to an Iranian as well!

That’s exactly why they have a woman doing it.

[One Day Soon]

I would have respect for anyone supporting a move like this. If Hibs were taken over like this, I'd never be back at ER.

You and me both. After what was done to that guy I’d prefer to go along to support the opposition.

[cannastar]

bit worried after tonight that steve clarke could be next newcastle manager dont think buy out clause would be too much. plus john carver his number two is newcastle through and trhough.hope im wrong

[A Hi-Bee]

Football focus - Newcastle fans loving the fact that they have new owners with deep pockets.

New owners who chop off peoples heads, murder journalists and despise women.

The EPL gets more disgusting by the week.

Dancing in the streets of the Toon though :rolleyes:

It would be very interesting to see the views if say John McGinn was transferred to the Toon for mega cash and a large chunk of that mega cash was destined for Easter Road, perhaps we would just refuse it or give it all to charity. Just saying like.

[A Hi-Bee]

bit worried after tonight that steve clarke could be next newcastle manager dont think buy out clause would be too much. plus john carver his number two is newcastle through and trhough.hope im wrong

He was at Newcastle before and as far as I am concerned he could go back their tomorrow boring bassa that he is.

[GreenCastle]

bit worried after tonight that steve clarke could be next newcastle manager dont think buy out clause would be too much. plus john carver his number two is newcastle through and trhough.hope im wrong

Zero chance of this happening.

[cannastar]

yes we know but his profile has risen jus at the correct time apart from bielsa or simeone i think he may be the right fit

[Greencore]

bit worried after tonight that steve clarke could be next newcastle manager dont think buy out clause would be too much. plus john carver his number two is newcastle through and trhough.hope im wrong

No chance of this happening. They'll want to aim higher then Steve Clarke.

[green day]

It would be very interesting to see the views if say John McGinn was transferred to the Toon for mega cash and a large chunk of that mega cash was destined for Easter Road, perhaps we would just refuse it or give it all to charity. Just saying like.

Semantic argument imo.

A bit like saying a cleaner at St James Park who really needs the job should resign in protest as - ultimately - their salary may have come from the Saudis.

The EPL sanctioned these people to buy the club, knocking it on the head at source would have dealt with the issue.

[Sir David Gray]

bit worried after tonight that steve clarke could be next newcastle manager dont think buy out clause would be too much. plus john carver his number two is newcastle through and trhough.hope im wrong

They'll want to hire a far bigger name than Steve Clarke.

[hibsbollah]

They'll want to hire a far bigger name than Steve Clarke.

I don’t think Clarke is a bad manager, I do think he’s overrated in some quarters. The Scotland team has five or six genuinely excellent individuals which is the reason for our improvement. He’ll get some jobs off the back of getting us to the euros and punching Kilmarnock above their weight, that’s nowhere near enough for the richest clubs in the world.

[jacomo]

They'll want to hire a far bigger name than Steve Clarke.


Agreed.

Clarke isn’t showbiz enough for them. It would be hilarious if Gerrard leaves next week.

[hibsbollah]

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/uk-government-active-role-saudi-arabia-newcastle-united-takeover

The takeover wasn’t allowed to fail-Official HMG policy.

[Is It On....]

Ha, ha.

If Newcastle aren't in the top 4 heads will roll.

Now now...

[MWHIBBIES]

https://twitter.com/uglygame/status/1669639788658409472?t=95K5Y_8-uJD_LUe3Udtq0w&s=19

Horrible stuff.

Appears at least a couple of these guys are going to be executed for staging a sit in.