COP26 Glasgow

[Sylar]

I'm curious to see what the upcoming COP26 being hosted in Glasgow means to folks on here, if anything.

Because I work in the climate space, it's obviously a massive deal for me and I'm really looking forward to seeing Glasgow on the world stage, bringing together leaders and experts to tackle the pre-eminent challenge of our time. But as it creeps closer and Glasgow is set to be inundated by tens, if not hundreds of thousands of temporary visitors including Government leaders and diplomats, the world's press, academics, climate protestors and people just nosey at what's happening. It truly has the potential to bring the city to its knees!

Definitely wouldn't recommend seeking a hotel room booking in Glasgow through late October/November...

[lapsedhibee]

I'm curious to see what the upcoming COP26 being hosted in Glasgow means to folks on here, if anything.

Because I work in the climate space, it's obviously a massive deal for me and I'm really looking forward to seeing Glasgow on the world stage, bringing together leaders and experts to tackle the pre-eminent challenge of our time. But as it creeps closer and Glasgow is set to be inundated by tens, if not hundreds of thousands of temporary visitors including Government leaders and diplomats, the world's press, academics, climate protestors and people just nosey at what's happening. It truly has the potential to bring the city to its knees!

Definitely wouldn't recommend seeking a hotel room booking in Glasgow through late October/November...

For the UK, it means a lot of announcements afterwards from Johnson about building green stuff, then a lot of awarding of contracts to Hancock's pal who runs a pub etc, then nothing ever actually happening except the Treasury becoming £billions lighter. For the EU, a lot of good initiatives some of which will be put into practice and enforced. Will be very interesting to see what China and the US contribute to the occasion though.

[Moulin Yarns]

I'm curious to see what the upcoming COP26 being hosted in Glasgow means to folks on here, if anything.

Because I work in the climate space, it's obviously a massive deal for me and I'm really looking forward to seeing Glasgow on the world stage, bringing together leaders and experts to tackle the pre-eminent challenge of our time. But as it creeps closer and Glasgow is set to be inundated by tens, if not hundreds of thousands of temporary visitors including Government leaders and diplomats, the world's press, academics, climate protestors and people just nosey at what's happening. It truly has the potential to bring the city to its knees!

Definitely wouldn't recommend seeking a hotel room booking in Glasgow through late October/November...

I was in Glasgow Sunday to Tuesday, staying in a hotel overlooking the Hydro and SEC Campus and it occured to me that there are at least 8 hotels, soon to be 9, within 5 minutes walk from the SEC. That must be a lot of bedspaces that should have been booked by the government for the delegates. The hangers on and journalists would have to find their own accomodation, but for those that 'need' to be there it would have been ideal if the hotels had been block booked, and what better message than to have no transport requirements for the conference.

[Antifa Hibs]

The leaders of the biggest capitalist nations and worlds largest companies coming together to discuss climate and the environment:rotflmao:

So long as it doesn't affect GDP and profit we might see some small token changes I guess. Other than that I'm a pessimistic *****r. Hope I'm wrong though.

[Sylar]

The leaders of the biggest capitalist nations and worlds largest companies coming together to discuss climate and the environment:rotflmao:

So long as it doesn't affect GDP and profit we might see some small token changes I guess. Other than that I'm a pessimistic *****r. Hope I'm wrong though.

It's not the G7. ALL nations are represented at COP26.

[Santa Cruz]

I was in Glasgow Sunday to Tuesday, staying in a hotel overlooking the Hydro and SEC Campus and it occured to me that there are at least 8 hotels, soon to be 9, within 5 minutes walk from the SEC. That must be a lot of bedspaces that should have been booked by the government for the delegates. The hangers on and journalists would have to find their own accomodation, but for those that 'need' to be there it would have been ideal if the hotels had been block booked, and what better message than to have no transport requirements for the conference.

Senior Diplomats and World Leaders are unlikely to be staying in any of the hotels in the vicinity of the SEC imo, far more likely they will stay in very high end hotels further afield for security reasons. The entourage that accompanies the POTUS would likely take up one of the 8 hotels on their own. The "hangers on" and journos will more likely be put up in the Crowne Plaza and the like close to the Hydro, they will be covered well with expenses through their employers.

I personally think it should have been held virtually given the thousands attending from overseas or at least postponed until next Spring. Has the Chinese President confirmed attendance? Without any commitment from China, India, America etc, it kind of negates all the hard work the smaller nations are trying to achieve.

[Antifa Hibs]

It's not the G7. ALL nations are represented at COP26.

I know. But if this is the state of the planet after 25 meetings I can't see things drastically changing now. I can't see the richest countries financially helping the poorest with infrastructure, then saying lets end needless consumerism, lets go plant-based, lets end our reliance on fossil fuels etc etc.

I am looking forward to hearing from the academics and campaign groups etc however.

[hibsbollah]

The capitalist world, at least the leaders and the intelligent people at the top of the capitalist world, know that the survival of capitalism itself is at stake. If nothing is done, the mass migrations of probably hundreds of millions that will follow, the lands that will become uninhabitable, the enormous claims on the insurance industry alone that will follow sea level rises, and will make capitalism itself obsolete.

That’s the hope, that the self interested will recognise their own self interest in doing something for the collective good.

[Jones28]

A personal anecdote but I have heard the behind the scenes organisation has been chaotic. Things not being ordered and trades allocating time to do works but turning up and having no materials to work with. Sounds like a bit of a nightmare. I’m sure it’ll be alright on the night, covid and other supply issues haven’t helped at all.

[Ozyhibby]

Lots of targets will get set and promises made. And that’s about it. No actual action will be taken.


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[SChibs]

A personal anecdote but I have heard the behind the scenes organisation has been chaotic. Things not being ordered and trades allocating time to do works but turning up and having no materials to work with. Sounds like a bit of a nightmare. I’m sure it’ll be alright on the night, covid and other supply issues haven’t helped at all.

Is Ann Budge in charge?

[Killiehibbie]

Loads of road closures affecting real working people.

[Keith_M]

Holding an event, that is supposed to be about the state of the environment, in Glasgow... that's some irony.

[Paul1642]

And the Pope is also visiting. Will make things interesting security wise. A great opportunity for Glaswegians to show their religious tolerance on the world stage 👀

[Crunchie]

And the Pope is also visiting. Will make things interesting security wise. A great opportunity for Glaswegians to show their religious tolerance on the world stage 👀
It would be great if they could see Sturgeon's constituency in all its glory and let the world see what an Independent Scotland would look like.

[overdrive]

And the Pope is also visiting. Will make things interesting security wise. A great opportunity for Glaswegians to show their religious tolerance on the world stage 👀

I see he isn’t coming to it anymore as he is still recovering from surgery.

[Moulin Yarns]

It would be great if they could see Sturgeon's constituency in all its glory and let the world see what an Independent Scotland would look like.

Blooming Glasgow cooncil!! 😉

[degenerated]

Blooming Glasgow cooncil!! [emoji6]The one that was under unionist control since the beginning of time. One that is skint since having to fork out all that money to female employees who were discriminated against by their unionist council employers?

[lapsedhibee]

It would be great if they could see Sturgeon's constituency in all its glory and let the world see what an Independent Scotland would look like.
Never thought of looking at things like that. Cole Hamilton represents a fairly wealthy part of the country, I'm going to vote for him as first minister next time so that everyone in the country will be well off.

[Keith_M]

The one that was under unionist control since the beginning of time. One that is skint since having to fork out all that money to female employees who were discriminated against by their unionist council employers?


Nah, it doesn't work like that. If the SNP inherit a problem after forty years of Labour being in charge, then you just blame the SNP.


It's like those damn SNP Trams in Edinburgh. Pushed through despite the SNP being opposed to it, then when the SNP did assume power in Holyrood, they had two choices:

- Carry on with the fiasco and try to get it finished...
- or cancel the whole thing and accept the loss of hundreds of millions of pounds of taxpayers money.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.


But the SNP are still to blame

[degenerated]

Nah, it doesn't work like that. If the SNP inherit a problem after forty years of Labour being in charge, then you just blame the SNP.


It's like those damn SNP Trams in Edinburgh. Pushed through despite the SNP being opposed to it, then when the SNP did assume power in Holyrood, they had two choices:

- Carry on with the fiasco and try to get it finished...
- or cancel the whole thing and accept the loss of hundreds of millions of pounds of taxpayers money.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.


But the SNP are still to blameI think I get it now :greengrin

[Peevemor]

It would be great if they could see Sturgeon's constituency in all its glory and let the world see what an Independent Scotland would look like.Are you serious with comments like this or are you just looking for a reaction?

[Santa Cruz]

No availability in any of the bigger Edinburgh Hotels. You can get a single room at the Holiday Inn Express in Leith for £240 p/n!!! The City is going to be busy.

[Crunchie]

Are you serious with comments like this or are you just looking for a reaction?
This from the guy who has been arguing since last Sunday's game and appears to take great delight in winding up people on a daily basis. Just ignore me like the majority of people ignore you if they don't like what you post, you won't get an argument out of me, I've better things to do in life.

[Moulin Yarns]

It would be great if they could see Sturgeon's constituency in all its glory and let the world see what an Independent Scotland would look like.

One of Scotland's most diverse constituencies, it includes the gated mansions of pollockshields as well as Govan, Ibrox strathbungo and the gorbals.

Social integration at its most evident. 😁

[Betty Boop]

It would be great if they could see Sturgeon's constituency in all its glory and let the world see what an Independent Scotland would look like.


Well it currently looks like this



Glasgow's most rat-infested side streets branded city's 'secret shame' ahead of COP26 - Glasgow Live (https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/glasgow-news/glasgows-most-rat-infested-side-21747277)

[Moulin Yarns]

Well it currently looks like this



Glasgow's most rat-infested side streets branded city's 'secret shame' ahead of COP26 - Glasgow Live (https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/glasgow-news/glasgows-most-rat-infested-side-21747277)

A lane sandwiched between paisley Road West and the M8

[degenerated]

Well it currently looks like this



Glasgow's most rat-infested side streets branded city's 'secret shame' ahead of COP26 - Glasgow Live (https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/glasgow-news/glasgows-most-rat-infested-side-21747277)So do lots of places throughout the whole of the UK.

A quick search on Google shows similar situations in most cities. Its not unique to Nicola Sturgeons constituency & Scotland. Its the same in Boris Johnsons constituency in Uxbridge and just as bad in labour golden boy Andy Burnham's city of Manchester.
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[hibsbollah]

This from the guy who has been arguing since last Sunday's game and appears to take great delight in winding up people on a daily basis. Just ignore me like the majority of people ignore you if they don't like what you post, you won't get an argument out of me, I've better things to do in life.

It seems like genuine argument and discussion on here has just been replaced by vendettas against individual posters. Im seeing it all the time. people are just getting fired into criticising other people seemingly because of some other unrelated thread debate.

If you've 'got better things to do in life' than argue with him, just do those things instead instead of telling us about their existence :confused:

[Keith_M]

A lane sandwiched between paisley Road West and the M8


There's a serious problem in Govanhill and nearby areas with litter problems, but these are mostly created by a small segment of society that live there (plus the fly-tippers), and isn't exactly something new.

Collections of litter have also reduced because of austerity measures, and the fact that the City Council is having to pay hundreds of million in compensation to people that were employed by it long before the SNP took charge, so that doesn't exactly help their budget.


These problems need to be dealt with but, this is supposed to be evidence that the whole of Scotland would end up the same if it became independent, which is clearly nonsense.

[stuart-farquhar]

I'm curious to see what the upcoming COP26 being hosted in Glasgow means to folks on here, if anything.

Because I work in the climate space, it's obviously a massive deal for me and I'm really looking forward to seeing Glasgow on the world stage, bringing together leaders and experts to tackle the pre-eminent challenge of our time. But as it creeps closer and Glasgow is set to be inundated by tens, if not hundreds of thousands of temporary visitors including Government leaders and diplomats, the world's press, academics, climate protestors and people just nosey at what's happening. It truly has the potential to bring the city to its knees!

Definitely wouldn't recommend seeking a hotel room booking in Glasgow through late October/November...
For me. Brussel sprout. The weege as per trying to be the big cheese.

[1875godsgift]

I'm curious to see what the upcoming COP26 being hosted in Glasgow means to folks on here, if anything.

Because I work in the climate space, it's obviously a massive deal for me and I'm really looking forward to seeing Glasgow on the world stage, bringing together leaders and experts to tackle the pre-eminent challenge of our time. But as it creeps closer and Glasgow is set to be inundated by tens, if not hundreds of thousands of temporary visitors including Government leaders and diplomats, the world's press, academics, climate protestors and people just nosey at what's happening. It truly has the potential to bring the city to its knees!

Definitely wouldn't recommend seeking a hotel room booking in Glasgow through late October/November...


I very much doubt there's going to be hundreds of thousands of visitors.....!

I would guess 50,000 at the maximum.

[hibsbollah]

I very much doubt there's going to be hundreds of thousands of visitors.....!

I would guess 50,000 at the maximum.

If you include protestors at the 6th November it’s likely to be way more than that. Transport Scotland are calling the likely impact unprecedented in terms of number of world leaders planning to attend and say it’s only comparable planning event would be for The Olympics.

[Antifa Hibs]

Gonna be some laugh this when with no trains running and XR and IB block the roads!

Does the SECC have a heli-pad for the delegates?

[Ozyhibby]

Gonna be some laugh this when with no trains running and XR and IB block the roads!

Does the SECC have a heli-pad for the delegates?

Surely they would not be stupid enough to block the roads for an event designed to save the environment? [emoji51]


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[Moulin Yarns]

https://www.cityam.com/sunak-causes-rift-cabinet-ev-discount-end/

Sunak wants to scrap the EV grant!

[JimBHibees]

Is this on for something like three weeks?

Has NS not been invited at all?

[Sir David Gray]

Is this on for something like three weeks?

31st October - 12th November.

[Santa Cruz]

31st October - 12th November.

A £44 p/n double room (no ensuite) in Glasgow now priced at just over £1,400 p/n.

[JimBHibees]

31st October - 12th November.

Thanks

[JimBHibees]

A £44 p/n double room (no ensuite) in Glasgow now priced at just over £1,400 p/n.

1400 a night without ensuite wow:greengrin

[The Pointer]

Upwards of £200m sp*nked up against the wall, for what?

The leader of the biggest contributor to global pollution doesn't look like turning up because he's just ramped up production in 70 coal mines, while the west falls over themselves to outdo each other in eco-willy-waving.

Also, any chance the Brazilians may stop hacking down the rain forest after this meeting? Not really, so in my mind the whole charade is pointless and a rather large p i.t.a. for those who live in Glasgow or have to visit it.

[degenerated]

Is this on for something like three weeks?

Has NS not been invited at all?As far as I am aware the Scottish Government have been blocked from attending.

Edit: I meant in any formal capacity before I am attacked by raging unionists.

[Pretty Boy]

It's quite funny watching the fall out from the threatened rail strike during COP26 playing out on social media.

So called lefties on the yes side tearing into the unions for 'embarrassing Scotland and our Government' on the world stage and Tories defending the right to strike because they think it indirectly criticises and thus damages the Scottish Govt.

[Santa Cruz]

It's quite funny watching the fall out from the threatened rail strike during COP26 playing out on social media.

So called lefties on the yes side tearing into the unions for 'embarrassing Scotland and our Government' on the world stage and Tories defending the right to strike because they think it indirectly criticises and thus damages the Scottish Govt.

Are the bin men not striking too?

[He's here!]

Are the bin men not striking too?

Yes. Genuinely suggest you lower the volume before clicking on the video statement where organiser Chris Mitchell of Glasgow GMB delivers a 'clear message to the Scottish government'. LOUD and clear would be a better description:

https://twitter.com/GMBGlasgowCC/status/1448535604665503746?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1448535604665503746%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.spectator.co.uk%2Farticl e%2Fglasgow-is-threatening-a-rubbish-cop26

[Santa Cruz]

Yes. Genuinely suggest you lower the volume before clicking on the video statement where organiser Chris Mitchell of Glasgow GMB delivers a 'clear message to the Scottish government'. LOUD and clear would be a better description:

https://twitter.com/GMBGlasgowCC/status/1448535604665503746?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1448535604665503746%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.spectator.co.uk%2Farticl e%2Fglasgow-is-threatening-a-rubbish-cop26

lol, I see (or hear would be more apt) what you mean.

[Ozyhibby]

It's quite funny watching the fall out from the threatened rail strike during COP26 playing out on social media.

So called lefties on the yes side tearing into the unions for 'embarrassing Scotland and our Government' on the world stage and Tories defending the right to strike because they think it indirectly criticises and thus damages the Scottish Govt.

The SG has no control over the money it receives from the UK govt. If bin men and train drivers in England are not getting this money then the only way the SG can do it is by cutting another public service. The SG has no control here.
Unionists probably think this is great but it really just shows deficiencies in the Union.
These unions need to be careful not to overplay their hand as well. Cop 26 will be done in about 5 weeks and if they are seen to have spoiled it and still not got what they wanted then it will then be very difficult for them to negotiate there after.


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[Santa Cruz]

The SG has no control over the money it receives from the UK govt. If bin men and train drivers in England are not getting this money then the only way the SG can do it is by cutting another public service. The SG has no control here.
Unionists probably think this is great but it really just shows deficiencies in the Union.
These unions need to be careful not to overplay their hand as well. Cop 26 will be done in about 5 weeks and if they are seen to have spoiled it and still not got what they wanted then it will then be very difficult for them to negotiate there after.


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Why would anyone think industrial action that affects the public's daily life is great?

Workforces take industrial action for valid reasons as a last resort - always. I would have thought socialists would have shown them some support.

[ronaldo7]

Yes. Genuinely suggest you lower the volume before clicking on the video statement where organiser Chris Mitchell of Glasgow GMB delivers a 'clear message to the Scottish government'. LOUD and clear would be a better description:

https://twitter.com/GMBGlasgowCC/status/1448535604665503746?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1448535604665503746%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.spectator.co.uk%2Farticl e%2Fglasgow-is-threatening-a-rubbish-cop26

Is this the same union who took their women members to court to stop them getting equal pay in Glasgow?

They'll receive support from all quarters in the movement, but they've a lot to make amends for if it's them.

[degenerated]

Is this the same union who took their women members to court to stop them getting equal pay in Glasgow?

They'll receive support from all quarters in the movement, but they've a lot to make amends for if it's them.The GMB also made an Erse of advising members about putting claims in resulting in many missing the deadline.

They also had a complete howler on equal pay cases with North Lanarkshire and Fife council as well if I remember correctly. Both instances I am fairy sure they advised their members to accept paltry settlements.

Funny it always seems to be Labour run councils this happened with. [emoji848]

[He's here!]

The SG has no control over the money it receives from the UK govt. If bin men and train drivers in England are not getting this money then the only way the SG can do it is by cutting another public service. The SG has no control here.
Unionists probably think this is great but it really just shows deficiencies in the Union.
These unions need to be careful not to overplay their hand as well. Cop 26 will be done in about 5 weeks and if they are seen to have spoiled it and still not got what they wanted then it will then be very difficult for them to negotiate there after.


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Our funding per person to spend on public services is nevertheless 30% higher than comparable services in England:

https://ifs.org.uk/publications/15386

IIRC Glasgow City Council has often been a bit of a battleground, but seems to be attracting more consistent flak than usual under the SNP stewardship of Susan Aitken. Switching bin collections to once every three weeks seems especially madcap, not to mention being a public health hazard:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/is-this-the-worst-council-leader-in-britain-#

[He's here!]

Is this the same union who took their women members to court to stop them getting equal pay in Glasgow?

They'll receive support from all quarters in the movement, but they've a lot to make amends for if it's them.

No idea. I just thought he's going to struggle to get his message across by yelling like that for no apparent reason. Even at minimum volume I found him unlistenable.

[He's here!]

The GMB also made an Erse of advising members about putting claims in resulting in many missing the deadline.

They also had a complete howler on equal pay cases with North Lanarkshire and Fife council as well if I remember correctly. Both instances I am fairy sure they advised their members to accept paltry settlements.

Funny it always seems to be Labour run councils this happened with. [emoji848]

Glasgow City Council is SNP-run (albeit as a minority administration).

[degenerated]

Glasgow City Council is SNP-run (albeit as a minority administration).It is, but that's irrelevant as it was labour that were guilty of paying women less than male counterparts and it was labour who spent millions in legal fees fighting female employees in court.

[ronaldo7]

It is, but that's irrelevant as it was labour that were guilty of paying women less than male counterparts and it was labour who spent millions in legal fees fighting female employees in court.

I thought it was. 👍

Thanks for confirming. Maybe the socialist within the GMB could up their game a bit, and fight for their members, instead of the unionist cause.

[He's here!]

I thought it was. 👍

Thanks for confirming. Maybe the socialist within the GMB could up their game a bit, and fight for their members, instead of the unionist cause.

In what way are they fighting the unionist cause?

I'm not going to claim I've been following the backdrop to the various strikes looming in Glasgow, but as far as I can see they're about pay and conditions (as is usually the case with any strike).

[Glory Lurker]

This thread is rank. It's supposed to be about a conference on an existential threat to humanity and it ends up being an argument about the Scottish Government. And yes I know which side started it, but we should all rise above it.

[Moulin Yarns]

Read some stuff by George Monbiot today. Not everyone's cup of tea, but interesting nevertheless.

[ronaldo7]

In what way are they fighting the unionist cause?

I'm not going to claim I've been following the backdrop to the various strikes looming in Glasgow, but as far as I can see they're about pay and conditions (as is usually the case with any strike).

The GMB decided to vote No back in 2014 prior to asking their members. Stitch up. I believe they may have changed slightly since then.

Back on track though.

I think the SG are well out of the situation in Glasgow, and the whole COP26 set up. I just read an article in the Guardian saying some of those sponsoring the event are not getting enough bang for their buck. The organisation of the event is pitiful.

I'd advise them to steer clear of anything organised by Alok Sharma, and his Westminster colleagues.

[He's here!]

The GMB decided to vote No back in 2014 prior to asking their members. Stitch up. I believe they may have changed slightly since then.

Back on track though.

I think the SG are well out of the situation in Glasgow, and the whole COP26 set up. I just read an article in the Guardian saying some of those sponsoring the event are not getting enough bang for their buck. The organisation of the event is pitiful.

I'd advise them to steer clear of anything organised by Alok Sharma, and his Westminster colleagues.

I see, cheers. I either didn't know that or had forgotten it.

[wookie70]

Read some stuff by George Monbiot today. Not everyone's cup of tea, but interesting nevertheless.

I liked his recent piece on Capitalism. I watched the Age of Stupid on iPlayer yesterday. Never seen it before. Not sure COP26 has much of a chance to change anything and those attending are most likely to be bringing the petrol and matches for the burning of the world. I bought a place in Newtongrange a few years ago, who knows I might get that seaside property I always wanted before I pop my clogs and not even have to move

[Kato]

I bought a place in Newtongrange a few years ago, who knows I might get that seaside property I always wanted before I pop my clogs and not even have to move

It's the thought of these small benefits that keeps one sane. Invest in a candy floss machine, always a goer at the seaside.

Does anyone know if ER is higher above sea level than Tiny?





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[wookie70]

It's the thought of these small benefits that keeps one sane. Invest in a candy floss machine, always a goer at the seaside.

Does anyone know if ER is higher above sea level than Tiny?

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According to this (https://www.worldstadiumdatabase.com/easter-road-stadium-edinburgh-in-scotland.htm) we are 15m lower but I like your thinking. I had turned the heating up but I'll turn it down now I know we will flood first.

This interactive map (https://coastal.climatecentral.org/map/13/-4.3711/55.8642/?theme=sea_level_rise&map_type=coastal_dem_comparison&basemap=roadmap&contiguous=true&elevation_model=best_available&forecast_year=2070&pathway=ssp3rcp70&percentile=p95&return_level=return_level_1&rl_model=gtsr&slr_model=ipcc_2021_med) is fascinating and you can tweak years and scenarios. Tiny and ER are safe for many years to come but that won't be of much consolation if you live in Leith or Porty. I've tried lots of different settings and I can't seem to get Ibrox under water.

[lapsedhibee]

According to this (https://www.worldstadiumdatabase.com/easter-road-stadium-edinburgh-in-scotland.htm) we are 15m lower but I like your thinking. I had turned the heating up but I'll turn it down now I know we will flood first.

This interactive map (https://coastal.climatecentral.org/map/13/-4.3711/55.8642/?theme=sea_level_rise&map_type=coastal_dem_comparison&basemap=roadmap&contiguous=true&elevation_model=best_available&forecast_year=2070&pathway=ssp3rcp70&percentile=p95&return_level=return_level_1&rl_model=gtsr&slr_model=ipcc_2021_med) is fascinating and you can tweak years and scenarios. Tiny and ER are safe for many years to come but that won't be of much consolation if you live in Leith or Porty. I've tried lots of different settings and I can't seem to get Ibrox under water.
:greengrin

[ronaldo7]

I see, cheers. I either didn't know that or had forgotten it.

That article in the Guardian I spoke about. You'd think all the money spent on the "Scotland office", they have run the event from there.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/oct/17/cop26-corporate-sponsors-condemn-climate-summit-as-mismanaged

Companies that stumped up millions of pounds to sponsor the Cop26 climate summit have condemned it as “mismanaged” and “very last minute” in a volley of complaints as next month’s event in Glasgow draws near.

The sponsors, which include some of Britain’s biggest companies, have raised formal complaints blaming “very inexperienced” civil servants for delayed decisions, poor communication and a breakdown in relations between the organisers and firms in the run-up to the landmark talks.

The Guardian understands that a letter to the organisers, written by broadcaster Sky and co-signed by senior leaders from other Cop26 sponsors, has raised concerns with them over these and other problems, and followed another co-signed letter in July.

The UK is running its Cop26 presidency from within the Cabinet Office, under the leadership of the former business secretary Alok Sharma, who is the Cop26 president, and the businessman Nigel Topping who was appointed the government’s high-level climate action champion last year. Sponsorship is expected to help defray a policing bill estimated to reach up to £250m.

[Kato]

According to this (https://www.worldstadiumdatabase.com/easter-road-stadium-edinburgh-in-scotland.htm) we are 15m lower but I like your thinking. I had turned the heating up but I'll turn it down now I know we will flood first.

This interactive map (https://coastal.climatecentral.org/map/13/-4.3711/55.8642/?theme=sea_level_rise&map_type=coastal_dem_comparison&basemap=roadmap&contiguous=true&elevation_model=best_available&forecast_year=2070&pathway=ssp3rcp70&percentile=p95&return_level=return_level_1&rl_model=gtsr&slr_model=ipcc_2021_med) is fascinating and you can tweak years and scenarios. Tiny and ER are safe for many years to come but that won't be of much consolation if you live in Leith or Porty. I've tried lots of different settings and I can't seem to get Ibrox under water.Maybe safe anyway at 35metres above sea level. Only the candy floss machine to worry about.

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[wookie70]

Maybe safe anyway at 35metres above sea level. Only the candy floss machine to worry about.

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Ordered on Amazon yesterday so hope so lol

[Ozyhibby]

https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/2021/10/21/leaked-climate-lobbying-ipcc-glasgow/amp/?__twitter_impression=true


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[One Day Soon]

https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/2021/10/21/leaked-climate-lobbying-ipcc-glasgow/amp/?__twitter_impression=true


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FFS. How do these witless fools imagine this is going to go without biting the bullet?

[Pretty Boy]

FFS. How do these witless fools imagine this is going to go without biting the bullet?

I think it's more a case of them knowing exactly how it will go but not really caring. Their personal wealth and self interest overrides everything and most of those in positions of power now are of an age that they will be dead when the worst effects really hit home. Lucky them.

[Ozyhibby]

I think it's more a case of them knowing exactly how it will go but not really caring. Their personal wealth and self interest overrides everything and most of those in positions of power now are of an age that they will be dead when the worst effects really hit home. Lucky them.

Australians in particular think it will never affect them because they are so far away from everything and their country is so huge compared to their population.


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[One Day Soon]

Australians in particular think it will never affect them because they are so far away from everything and their country is so huge compared to their population.


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Idiots

[Radium]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/09/24/argentina-brazil-south-america-drought/

… change has arrived in many parts of South America already by the looks of it. Deforestation seems to have impacted on moisture levels and subsequent lower rainfall in central areas


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[Ozyhibby]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/09/24/argentina-brazil-south-america-drought/

… change has arrived in many parts of South America already by the looks of it. Deforestation seems to have impacted on moisture levels and subsequent lower rainfall in central areas


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It’s grim enough to read as it is without thinking about all the wars that are going to break out as people fight for resources.
The war in Syria is really a product of a drought there between 2006 and 2010. It will happen elsewhere. The coming refugee crisis will destabilise govts everywhere.


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[The_Exile]

According to this (https://www.worldstadiumdatabase.com/easter-road-stadium-edinburgh-in-scotland.htm) we are 15m lower but I like your thinking. I had turned the heating up but I'll turn it down now I know we will flood first.

This interactive map (https://coastal.climatecentral.org/map/13/-4.3711/55.8642/?theme=sea_level_rise&map_type=coastal_dem_comparison&basemap=roadmap&contiguous=true&elevation_model=best_available&forecast_year=2070&pathway=ssp3rcp70&percentile=p95&return_level=return_level_1&rl_model=gtsr&slr_model=ipcc_2021_med) is fascinating and you can tweak years and scenarios. Tiny and ER are safe for many years to come but that won't be of much consolation if you live in Leith or Porty. I've tried lots of different settings and I can't seem to get Ibrox under water.

I feel a song coming on.................

Porty no more
Musselburgh no more
Methil no more
Those new flats at the Asda no more

[Moulin Yarns]

I feel a song coming on.................

Porty no more
Musselburgh no more
Methil no more
Those new flats at the Asda no more

Have fun in the speedos :greengrin

https://www.floodmap.net/

200m sea level rise before I worry. :wink:

[hibsbollah]

Greta on the absence of political leadership.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/21/climate-leaders-cop26-uk-climate-crisis-glasgow

[ekhibee]

Yes. Genuinely suggest you lower the volume before clicking on the video statement where organiser Chris Mitchell of Glasgow GMB delivers a 'clear message to the Scottish government'. LOUD and clear would be a better description:

https://twitter.com/GMBGlasgowCC/status/1448535604665503746?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1448535604665503746%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.spectator.co.uk%2Farticl e%2Fglasgow-is-threatening-a-rubbish-cop26

I work at a cleansing depot depot in Glasgow, and I get really pissed off with him. Okay, I'm in a different union from him, but originally the strike was about cleaning operatives getting reduced hours, so working a 4 day shift then a 3 day shift and a 4th day being paid out of their pension pot, but now it's purely about pay. GMB got a lot of bad press over the equal pay fiasco, and Mitchell came away from it looking like an idiot after the documentary on BBC. And now various sectors of staff who put in a claim 2 years ago are now being told they're not eligible for a payout. It's a shambles, and even though I will always be a union member and will support them whenever I can including strike action, this has been handled badly IMO.

[Peevemor]

https://www.energyvoice.com/renewables-energy-transition/358515/daredevil-danny-macaskill-cycles-along-wind-turbine-blade-ahead-of-cop26/

[lapsedhibee]

Tried and tried and tried but cannot work out whether this is a spoof.

https://twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1452892180301889538

[JeMeSouviens]

According to this (https://www.worldstadiumdatabase.com/easter-road-stadium-edinburgh-in-scotland.htm) we are 15m lower but I like your thinking. I had turned the heating up but I'll turn it down now I know we will flood first.

This interactive map (https://coastal.climatecentral.org/map/13/-4.3711/55.8642/?theme=sea_level_rise&map_type=coastal_dem_comparison&basemap=roadmap&contiguous=true&elevation_model=best_available&forecast_year=2070&pathway=ssp3rcp70&percentile=p95&return_level=return_level_1&rl_model=gtsr&slr_model=ipcc_2021_med) is fascinating and you can tweak years and scenarios. Tiny and ER are safe for many years to come but that won't be of much consolation if you live in Leith or Porty. I've tried lots of different settings and I can't seem to get Ibrox under water.

ICT are going to struggle for crowds unless they can get the dophins interested. :dunno:

[Frazerbob]

Mate works at Turnhouse. He just told me the Saudis flew two 777 aircraft in last week with 200 folk and 3 bullet proof limousines in. They've just requested urgent ground handling for tomorrow to return everyone home. Looks like they’re no hanging around.

[Pretty Boy]

Mate works at Turnhouse. He just told me the Saudis flew two 777 aircraft in last week with 200 folk and 3 bullet proof limousines in. They've just requested urgent ground handling for tomorrow to return everyone home. Looks like they’re no hanging around.

Probably because the report they wanted suppressed and altered got released as was.

[Moulin Yarns]

https://youtu.be/XR4maEf-eCY

Danny macaskill.

[degenerated]

I work at a cleansing depot depot in Glasgow, and I get really pissed off with him. Okay, I'm in a different union from him, but originally the strike was about cleaning operatives getting reduced hours, so working a 4 day shift then a 3 day shift and a 4th day being paid out of their pension pot, but now it's purely about pay. GMB got a lot of bad press over the equal pay fiasco, and Mitchell came away from it looking like an idiot after the documentary on BBC. And now various sectors of staff who put in a claim 2 years ago are now being told they're not eligible for a payout. It's a shambles, and even though I will always be a union member and will support them whenever I can including strike action, this has been handled badly IMO.He's making it look like its being stage managed by down-market tabloid like the sun now. 25232

[Keith_M]

Theoretically the whole event is a discussion on how to combat climate change.

With that in mind, how are we supposed to feel about people using this as an opportunity to meet their own agendas by going on strike, and therefore sabotaging the whole thing?

Am I supposed to support the workers that care more about their overtime rates, pensions, etc, than the state of the planet?


:dunno:

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59069121

UK taking climate change seriously?


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[Keith_M]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59069121

UK taking climate change seriously?


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I'm not really convinced that's going to have a negative effect on the planet through encouraging more domestic flights, as those are mostly business people that would travel anyway.

I think the main motivation is just to save businesses some money.

[Ozyhibby]

I'm not really convinced that's going to have a negative effect on the planet through encouraging more domestic flights, as those are mostly business people that would travel anyway.

I think the main motivation is just to save businesses some money.

Wouldn’t it be better to discourage them from flying at all and use the train? Or zoom?
Discouraging short haul flights would seem like the most effective way of cutting emissions from flying?


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[Moulin Yarns]

Wouldn’t it be better to discourage them from flying at all and use the train? Or zoom?
Discouraging short haul flights would seem like the most effective way of cutting emissions from flying?


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I imagine that the flights are happening anyway.

On the train v plane debate, has anyone used the new Lumo East Coast train?

I heard that Simon Calder the travel correspondent and a train expert did a trip, the train was taken by the train guy and Simon Calder did the flight, trafalgar Square to east end of Princes Street in Edinburgh. They arrived at the same time but Simon was frazzled by the running around getting connections while the train most definitely took the strain.

[Ozyhibby]

I imagine that the flights are happening anyway.

On the train v plane debate, has anyone used the new Lumo East Coast train?

I heard that Simon Calder the travel correspondent and a train expert did a trip, the train was taken by the train guy and Simon Calder did the flight, trafalgar Square to east end of Princes Street in Edinburgh. They arrived at the same time but Simon was frazzled by the running around getting connections while the train most definitely took the strain.

I much prefer the train for travelling within the UK anyway because there is very little difference in time taken.
The train is considerably more expensive though so more could be done to balance this out.
There is no tax on jet fuel for example but there is on energy used by trains. If we want to cut emissions then we need to make the train the only sensible option for travelling within the UK.
Of course, capacity on trains needs to be increased as well.


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[Mon Dieu4]

I much prefer the train for travelling within the UK anyway because there is very little difference in time taken.
The train is considerably more expensive though so more could be done to balance this out.
There is no tax on jet fuel for example but there is on energy used by trains. If we want to cut emissions then we need to make the train the only sensible option for travelling within the UK.
Of course, capacity on trains needs to be increased as well.


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Good luck with that, Sunak had the same point put to him on the BBC this morning, his response was that aviation is 8% of our CO2 emissions and that only 4% of that was due to domestic flights, he then waffled about giving cash to try and make cleaner fuel instead

[Paul1642]

I imagine that the flights are happening anyway.

On the train v plane debate, has anyone used the new Lumo East Coast train?

I heard that Simon Calder the travel correspondent and a train expert did a trip, the train was taken by the train guy and Simon Calder did the flight, trafalgar Square to east end of Princes Street in Edinburgh. They arrived at the same time but Simon was frazzled by the running around getting connections while the train most definitely took the strain.

I also listed to that that however it seemed a bit biased. The trip started from London Kings Cross so person A jumped on a train to Edinburgh, no issue.

Person B had to get form Kings cross to Luton and then flew to Glasgow. From there got a train form Queen Steet, only to for some reason get of at Haymarket and walk the rest.

Had the journey started from a home address and the guy flying taking the logical route from Gatwick to Edinburgh there would have been no comparison.

That said I prefer the train. More enjoyable journey as long as your not in a rush.

I might have some of the details wrong as the start points seem different.

[Moulin Yarns]

I also listed to that that however it seemed a bit biased. The trip started from London Kings Cross so person A jumped on a train to Edinburgh, no issue.

Person B had to get form Kings cross to Luton and then flew to Glasgow. From there got a train form Queen Steet, only to for some reason get of at Haymarket and walk the rest.

Had the journey started from a home address and the guy flying taking the logical route from Gatwick to Edinburgh there would have been no comparison.

That said I prefer the train. More enjoyable journey as long as your not in a rush.

I might have some of the details wrong as the start points seem different.

Yeh, I'm maybe not getting the whole thing right, but I assume there is a train from King's Cross to Luton. and I assume the first/quickest flight was to Glasgow.I think he got a taxi to Queen Street. The getting off at Haymarket was a bit strange though.

Allowing for the cost of the taxi even if it was a £25 flight and the cost must be more than the train, which I believe is going to be no more than £65 on Lumo.

[JeMeSouviens]

I also listed to that that however it seemed a bit biased. The trip started from London Kings Cross so person A jumped on a train to Edinburgh, no issue.

Person B had to get form Kings cross to Luton and then flew to Glasgow. From there got a train form Queen Steet, only to for some reason get of at Haymarket and walk the rest.

Had the journey started from a home address and the guy flying taking the logical route from Gatwick to Edinburgh there would have been no comparison.

That said I prefer the train. More enjoyable journey as long as your not in a rush.

I might have some of the details wrong as the start points seem different.


Sightseeing stroll

After my lucky escape from Glasgow, I realised I was on course to arrive well ahead of the Lumo train. So after a stressful journey I decided to unwind by taking a stroll and doing some sightseeing.

So I hopped off at the station before Edinburgh Waverley – Haymarket – and enjoyed a 15-minute walk along Princes Street, with superb views of Scotland’s leading tourist attraction: Edinburgh Castle.

So basically he pauchled the result he wanted.

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/flight-train-london-edinburgh-lumo-easyjet-race-b1942445.html

[Moulin Yarns]

So basically he pauchled the result he wanted.

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/flight-train-london-edinburgh-lumo-easyjet-race-b1942445.html


strapping in for my £25 flight to Glasgow.
Yes, I appreciate that is technically the wrong city, but given the currently sparse flight schedules from London to Edinburgh it is the only way I might feasibly reach the Scottish capital first.



Had he taken a direct flight to Edinburgh he definitely wouldn't have been first then! :wink:

[Killiehibbie]

I imagine that the flights are happening anyway.

On the train v plane debate, has anyone used the new Lumo East Coast train?

I heard that Simon Calder the travel correspondent and a train expert did a trip, the train was taken by the train guy and Simon Calder did the flight, trafalgar Square to east end of Princes Street in Edinburgh. They arrived at the same time but Simon was frazzled by the running around getting connections while the train most definitely took the strain.
We done the plane v train thing 30 years ago.
Left pub 1130, bus to Waterloo Pl, 1200 to Kings Cross and arrived in Pride Of Pimlico at 525. Cost £32.
Fliers headed to airport at same time for flight at 2 and arrived in pub less than 30 minutes before us. Cost £108.
Flights much cheaper nowadays but train less hassle.

[Moulin Yarns]

We done the plane v train thing 30 years ago.
Left pub 1130, bus to Waterloo Pl, 1200 to Kings Cross and arrived in Pride Of Pimlico at 525. Cost £32.
Fliers headed to airport at same time for flight at 2 and arrived in pub less than 30 minutes before us. Cost £108.
Flights much cheaper nowadays but train less hassle.

And have become more comfortable too.


https://www.lumo.co.uk/

[Stairway 2 7]

Had he taken a direct flight to Edinburgh he definitely wouldn't have been first then! :wink:

Easyjet alone have about 7 flights it's a nonsense. Then getting off at haymarket and walking the last mile is too ridiculous to talk about. Although I've done it frequently with work and you save less than an hour by air. Much prefer train as you can leave King's Cross have 6 London prides and watch time for heroes and the team than wouldn't die, without having to move. Flying short distance is a horrible experience

[Moulin Yarns]

Easyjet alone have about 7 flights it's a nonsense. Then getting off at haymarket and walking the last mile is too ridiculous to talk about. Although I've done it frequently with work and you save less than an hour by air. Much prefer train as you can leave King's Cross have 6 London prides and watch time for heroes and the team than wouldn't die, without having to move. Flying short distance is a horrible experience

Easyjet only has two flights a day from Luton. 7am and 8pm

[Stairway 2 7]

Easyjet only has two flights a day from Luton. 7am and 8pm

But London has about 5 airports so if you have to add rules to handycap like walking the last 1.3 miles, you know your competition is a nonsense

[Moulin Yarns]

But London has about 5 airports so if you have to add rules to handycap like walking the last 1.3 miles, you know your competition is a nonsense

I'm not sure how to get to the various airports from King's Cross, but assume Luton is the easiest. I've only used Heathrow and Stansted.

[CropleyWasGod]

I'm not sure how to get to the various airports from King's Cross, but assume Luton is the easiest. I've only used Heathrow and Stansted.

City is probably closest, but it's expensive to fly to and from.

[Moulin Yarns]

City is probably closest, but it's expensive to fly to and from.

https://londoncityairport.netflights.com/search/flights/results?depart=%20[LCY]&arrival=Edinburgh,%20United%20Kingdom,%20[EDI]&departdate=04%20-%2011%20-%202021&adults=1&infants=0&children=0&cabin=0&journeytype=O&searchsrc=sc

I just picked a date, £12 - £35.👍

[CropleyWasGod]

https://londoncityairport.netflights.com/search/flights/results?depart=%20[LCY]&arrival=Edinburgh,%20United%20Kingdom,%20[EDI]&departdate=04%20-%2011%20-%202021&adults=1&infants=0&children=0&cabin=0&journeytype=O&searchsrc=sc

I just picked a date, £12 - £35.👍

It's aimed at the business market.

[Stairway 2 7]

City easiest obviously, Luton and Gatwick about 45 mins Heathrow Stansted about 1 hour. All can get you to Waverley in 3 hour 45 if you were in a rush. But much more faffing than relaxing on the train

[Pretty Boy]

City Airport is a nightmare. Always overcrowded when I've been there. I did see someone spill a glass of wine on Alex Salmknd when he was waiting on a FlyBe flight to Aberdeen once, the glidescope is fun and the wee BA Embraers are cool though so it's not without it's upsides.

Another thing you have to factor in if flying to Gatwick, Stansted et al is the cost to get from there to Central London. Last time I used the Stansted Express it was about £25 return. Obviously you can use the tube from Heathrow.

Train wins every time for me.

[Keith_M]

Wouldn’t it be better to discourage them from flying at all and use the train? Or zoom?
Discouraging short haul flights would seem like the most effective way of cutting emissions from flying?


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Don't get me wrong, I'm not backing them in any way, I just think the environmental impact of this particular decision is maybe overstated, as in it won't really make much of a difference to the amount of business travel within the UK.

If we want to discourage people from flying, it would have to be a much wider ranging policy than what is, in essence, a very small amount of tax on a very limited market.

[Paul1642]

I'm not sure how to get to the various airports from King's Cross, but assume Luton is the easiest. I've only used Heathrow and Stansted.

Luton is far from the easiest. It’s not even near to being in London.

[Radium]

https://www.carbonfootprint.com/calculator.aspx

Using the above site a return journey from Edinburgh to London creates the following amount of CO2

Air 0.26 tonnes

Diesel Car 0.25 tonnes

National Rail 0.05 tonnes

It is not a site I have used before and there might be user error on my phone.


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[Keith_M]

An honest Australian government ad on their views of Cop 26


(warning: contains sweary words/phrases in multiple languages)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIyKmqEdgR4

[DaveF]

An honest Australian government ad on their views of Cop 26


(warning: contains sweary words/phrases in multiple languages)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIyKmqEdgR4

That is superb.

[Keith_M]

That is superb.


I know, and not a word of a lie.


I'd love somebody to do one for the UK Government in a similar vein.

[Moulin Yarns]

Police Scotland have closed the snow gates at A93 Spittal of Glenshee to reduce the traffic flow towards Bridge of Cally where the road is currently closed currently with flooding and bridge parapet collapse.


This is climate change. 176m above sea level!!!!

[Keith_M]

Cop 26?

There's a bl**dy sight mair than 26 of them parked outside Hampden just now.


25251

[Moulin Yarns]

Police Scotland have closed the snow gates at A93 Spittal of Glenshee to reduce the traffic flow towards Bridge of Cally where the road is currently closed currently with flooding and bridge parapet collapse.


This is climate change. 176m above sea level!!!!

More on this


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-59113055

[LaMotta]

Luton is far from the easiest. It’s not even near to being in London.

Luton airport to St Pancras station ( 1 min walk from Kings Cross) is an average 40 minute train journey - really easy. That's a very similar journey time from Kings Cross to most other "London" airports by train.

[hibsbollah]

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/oct/30/capitalism-is-killing-the-planet-its-time-to-stop-buying-into-our-own-destruction

[JimBHibees]

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/oct/30/capitalism-is-killing-the-planet-its-time-to-stop-buying-into-our-own-destruction

Thanks a very interesting read

[lapsedhibee]

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/oct/30/capitalism-is-killing-the-planet-its-time-to-stop-buying-into-our-own-destruction

Good stuff that.

[hibsbollah]

Thanks a very interesting read

He’s very good. I liked this; I’m going to search out more stuff byVG;

‘Vasily Grossman notes that, when Stalin and Hitler were in power, “one of the most astonishing human traits that came to light at this time was obedience”. The instinct to obey, he observed, was stronger than the instinct to survive. Acting alone, seeing ourselves as consumers, fixating on MCB and mind-numbing trivia, even as systemic environmental collapse looms: these are forms of obedience. We would rather face civilisational death than the social embarrassment caused by raising awkward subjects, and the political trouble involved in resisting powerful forces. The obedience reflex is our greatest flaw, the kink in the human brain that threatens our lives.’

Back to COP, Boris is actually saying the right things, whether he actually does the right thing remains to be seen. I am waiting for Dominic Rabb to say ‘global warming, it’s a bad thing, whether it’s man doing it to the planet, or the planet doing it to people, it’s just wrong’.

[Lendo]

There is a certain level of irony at Biden flying to Edinburgh, just to drive his massive motorcade of countless vehicles to Glasgow just to drive that same motorcade back to Dalmahoy at the end of the days. Climate change…

[Alex Trager]

There is a certain level of irony at Biden flying to Edinburgh, just to drive his massive motorcade of countless vehicles to Glasgow just to drive that same motorcade back to Dalmahoy at the end of the days. Climate change…

It’s ridiculous and in my honest opinion truly takes away from what needs to be a hugely important message.

The Barbadian that just spoke at COP was immense. Must listen if you can

[danhibees1875]

There is a certain level of irony at Biden flying to Edinburgh, just to drive his massive motorcade of countless vehicles to Glasgow just to drive that same motorcade back to Dalmahoy at the end of the days. Climate change…

That does seem excessive in itself yes.

The question was raised on BBC this morning to Nicola Sturgeon around the general amount of travel required to make this event happen in person. She answered it as well as could be done - basically, face to face gets better results so it's worth it overall.

I did also read that the whole event was due to be carbon neutral. The article lacked in any details however which was unfortunate as they should probably be thorough and transparent in the way they manage that as it could be useful for businesses and other events as they progress towards making themselves carbon neutral.
I'd be interested to know what they did actually count towards the emissions, what they did as mitigation measures and how much they ultimately relied on offsetting measures -something they themselves should be leading the way on in terms of explaining how useful/limited those projects are.

[Ozyhibby]

There is a certain level of irony at Biden flying to Edinburgh, just to drive his massive motorcade of countless vehicles to Glasgow just to drive that same motorcade back to Dalmahoy at the end of the days. Climate change…

Not really? We all drive cars just now, it’s part of life for most people. And there will still be cars in the future. The Cop26 is about how we try and change behaviours over time and move to a carbon neutral situation. Nobody is denying that we are using emitting carbon right now.


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[Lendo]

70 vehicles making up the motorcade. 70!

[Killiehibbie]

Did they close the whole M8 or just clear a path for Biden and his crew?

[Since90+2]

Not really? We all drive cars just now, it’s part of life for most people. And there will still be cars in the future. The Cop26 is about how we try and change behaviours over time and move to a carbon neutral situation. Nobody is denying that we are using emitting carbon right now.


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It's the overuse of car journeys that annoys me.

I've seen people who live a 10 minute walk from work drive instead of walk. IMO if you live within 45 minutes walk of your work you should walk, not only would it cut omissions but would help the obesity crisis, help people lose weight , improve mental health and relieve the pressure obesity puts on the NHS.

It would also free up the roads for genuinely needed long journeys that would have a further impact on reducing omissions.

The very idea of a walk that far to work for most people would seem alien though.

[lapsedhibee]

There is a certain level of irony at Biden flying to Edinburgh, just to drive his massive motorcade of countless vehicles to Glasgow just to drive that same motorcade back to Dalmahoy at the end of the days. Climate change…

Perhaps Biden is not thinking of Cop26 as primarily a photo opportunity.

[Santa Cruz]

It’s ridiculous and in my honest opinion truly takes away from what needs to be a hugely important message.

The Barbadian that just spoke at COP was immense. Must listen if you can

Yes, never caught all the speakers but did hear this Leader, I hope all the other people present did too.

[Allant1981]

It's the overuse of car journeys that annoys me.

I've seen people who live a 10 minute walk from work drive instead of walk. IMO if you live within 45 minutes walk of your work you should walk, not only would it cut omissions but would help the obesity crisis, help people lose weight , improve mental health and relieve the pressure obesity puts on the NHS.

It would also free up the roads for genuinely needed long journeys that would have a further impact on reducing omissions.

The very idea of a walk that far to work for most people would seem alien though.

In an ideal world thats great but what about folk who need to collect kids after work, or drop them at school on their way to work

[Since90+2]

In an ideal world thats great but what about folk who need to collect kids after work, or drop them at school on their way to work

Of course there will be people who on certain days it doesn't apply to.

There will be plenty of folk however who drive short short journeys to work were for multiple reasons for lots of people it would be more beneficial to walk.

[Pretty Boy]

It's the overuse of car journeys that annoys me.

I've seen people who live a 10 minute walk from work drive instead of walk. IMO if you live within 45 minutes walk of your work you should walk, not only would it cut omissions but would help the obesity crisis, help people lose weight , improve mental health and relieve the pressure obesity puts on the NHS.

It would also free up the roads for genuinely needed long journeys that would have a further impact on reducing omissions.

The very idea of a walk that far to work for most people would seem alien though.

I agree.

I used to walk to work 2 days a week and drove the other 3 because I had to drop the bairn at nursery. Now my partner is on maternity leave so I walk to and from work all 5 days (5 miles/just over an hour each way). It really only adds about 15 minutes to my journey because the traffic is a ****ing nightmare usually.

Of course there is the odd day when the weather is really crap and I jump on a bus but a decent winter jacket and a hat and you are good to go.

I accept it isn't a viable option for everyone but so many people wouldn't even consider it and that's a big part of the problem.

[hibsbollah]

From The Guardian…

I’d be stroking my cat if I were a oil and gas lobbyist, says professor Myles Allen, director of the Oxford Net Zero initiative.

Boris Johnson has compared COP26 to a James Bond scenario – well, if I were an oil and gas industry lobbyist, I’d be stroking my cat at how well it is all going. You can smell the red herrings from Oxford. Everyone is taking every opportunity to talk about anything except the main point, which is how we stop fossil fuels from causing global warming before the world stops using fossil fuels. The answer is simple: we need to enforce safe and permanent disposal of carbon dioxide, as a licensing condition of selling fossil fuels, and stop fly-tipping it into the atmosphere like Glasgow’s bin-bags.

[Stairway 2 7]

Uk has been doing more than most to be honest, it obviously depends on start rate also
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[Ozyhibby]

Uk has been doing more than most to be honest, it obviously depends on start rate also
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Depends how it’s calculated? If I buy a car from China, are those emissions booked here or in China? It’s easy for us to say how green we are when we have put the burden of making everything on China.


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[Allant1981]

Of course there will be people who on certain days it doesn't apply to.

There will be plenty of folk however who drive short short journeys to work were for multiple reasons for lots of people it would be more beneficial to walk.

If they are walking 45 mins then thats not really a short drive, unless you walk really slow i suppose
I do agree with you though, i have staff who stay about 10 mins away from work but bring the car

[Stairway 2 7]

Depends how it’s calculated? If I buy a car from China, are those emissions booked here or in China? It’s easy for us to say how green we are when we have put the burden of making everything on China.


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It's pretty much the reduction in how much co2 each nation produces. All of those nations will get items from China and other nations. UK is the 9th biggest manufacturing nation on earth

Country
Manufacturing Output (USD in billions)
Percent of National Output
Percent of Global Manufacturing

China $2,010 27% 20%
U S 1,867 12 18
Japan 1,063 19 10
Germany 700 23 7
S Korea 372 29 4
India 298 16 3
France 274 11 3
Italy 264 16 3
U K 244 10 2

[cabbageandribs1875]

tonight..

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[DaveF]

Saw the motorcade tonight on its way back to dalmahoy. Quite a sight, and with the air support overhead, it really was a huge operation.

[Moulin Yarns]

If they are walking 45 mins then thats not really a short drive, unless you walk really slow i suppose
I do agree with you though, i have staff who stay about 10 mins away from work but bring the car

45 minutes equates to about 3 miles, that's a short drive.

[bigwheel]

This is a great daily podcast from Cop26….fast paced, magazine style…not too long in duration, great voices in it from scottish experts to international names…worth checking out if you want to connect with the topic during this event.


https://open.spotify.com/episode/5uWhD79Qkmkuaw7jgZW8Jh?si=feSDcFNHSqSnSy7ArOwR5Q


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[LaMotta]

It's the overuse of car journeys that annoys me.

I've seen people who live a 10 minute walk from work drive instead of walk. IMO if you live within 45 minutes walk of your work you should walk, not only would it cut omissions but would help the obesity crisis, help people lose weight , improve mental health and relieve the pressure obesity puts on the NHS.

It would also free up the roads for genuinely needed long journeys that would have a further impact on reducing omissions.

The very idea of a walk that far to work for most people would seem alien though.

A 46 minute walk equates to a 6 minute car journey source Google maps:greengrin). So to walk back and forth to work it takes 92 minutes, or could drive for 12 mins in total.

Walking might help with emissions, but by driving you have 80 extra minutes to do other things in your life. I think i'd be worse off mentally and physically if I spent an extra 80 minutes a day commuting, giving me less time to do all the things I need to do in life, including less time for going to the gym/playing football etc.

Plus think of the amount of shoes I'd get through:greengrin

[Pretty Boy]

A 46 minute walk equates to a 6 minute car journey source Google maps:greengrin). So to walk back and forth to work it takes 92 minutes, or could drive for 12 mins in total.

Walking might help with emissions, but by driving you have 80 extra minutes to do other things in your life. I think i'd be worse off mentally and physically if I spent an extra 80 minutes a day commuting, giving me less time to do all the things I need to do in life, including less time for going to the gym/playing football etc.

Plus think of the amount of shoes I'd get through:greengrin

A 6 minute car journey in optimal conditions.

My 1 hour walk equates to about a 40-45 minute car journey because of the traffic.

The walk is far more enjoyable than sitting in queues of traffic.

[hibsbollah]

A 46 minute walk equates to a 6 minute car journey source Google maps:greengrin). So to walk back and forth to work it takes 92 minutes, or could drive for 12 mins in total.

Walking might help with emissions, but by driving you have 80 extra minutes to do other things in your life. I think i'd be worse off mentally and physically if I spent an extra 80 minutes a day commuting, giving me less time to do all the things I need to do in life, including less time for going to the gym/playing football etc.

Plus think of the amount of shoes I'd get through:greengrin

I wouldn’t rely on Google maps :greengrin You need to time yourself driving sometime, especially if you live around Edinburgh and had forgotten what the congestion is like. The 2 and a half mile walk from my house to Princes St/Mound takes me 45 minutes, and is possibly one of the most picturesque urban walks in Northern Europe. Even if that isn’t a factor for you, the same drive during the working day now takes 30-35 minutes, not far off that, and last Saturday afternoon was over 45 mins, admittedly because we hit some post Rugby traffic. And you’ve still got to drive around looking for a parking space, good luck with that.

Because of the congestion there are now two routes, going to my work,(all downhill taking me 15/20 mins, always quicker than the bus and usually the car too) and going down to the beach at Portobello, that are often quicker on my bike than to drive or bus. It’s not an option for everyone, but I think we underestimate how much time we spend sitting in our cars in traffic, often not in a particularly good mood:greengrin

[hibsbollah]

https://yougov.co.uk/opi/myfeed/#/all

Reputable polling organisation asking stupid questions like these (do we still poll on whether the earth is flat or round?) just extends the wider belief that there is any doubt. 1 in 6 believing it’s exaggerated is bad enough. Moral objectivity again.

[Crunchie]

45 minutes equates to about 3 miles, that's a short drive.
Your average person in this country wouldn't be able to walk anywhere near 3 miles in 45 minutes, could you?

[LaMotta]

A 6 minute car journey in optimal conditions.

My 1 hour walk equates to about a 40-45 minute car journey because of the traffic.

The walk is far more enjoyable than sitting in queues of traffic.


I wouldn’t rely on Google maps :greengrin You need to time yourself driving sometime, especially if you live around Edinburgh and had forgotten what the congestion is like. The 2 and a half mile walk from my house to Princes St/Mound takes me 45 minutes, and is possibly one of the most picturesque urban walks in Northern Europe. Even if that isn’t a factor for you, the same drive during the working day now takes 30-35 minutes, not far off that, and last Saturday afternoon was over 45 mins, admittedly because we hit some post Rugby traffic. And you’ve still got to drive around looking for a parking space, good luck with that.

Because of the congestion there are now two routes, going to my work,(all downhill taking me 15/20 mins, always quicker than the bus and usually the car too) and going down to the beach at Portobello, that are often quicker on my bike than to drive or bus. It’s not an option for everyone, but I think we underestimate how much time we spend sitting in our cars in traffic, often not in a particularly good mood:greengrin


Well I suppose it depends on the journey you might take - where you live and where you work - but if im heading to my work on my normal route that car journey time is close to 6 minutes for the 45 minute walk, def no longer than 10 mins. Covid has def reduced that time of course with less cars on road. I'm going that way shortly so I'll time myself:greengrin.

I live at Dean Village area and drive West out of town towards the bypass so I dont sit in traffic for ages and for me the time saved is def worth it and imagine others may feel the same. If my journey was different then walking might be an option but that 45 min walk limit isnt going to work for everyone.

[Stairway 2 7]

My work is just about exactly 3 miles. Takes about an hour to walk and about 13 minutes to drive and that cuts through town. I wouldn't sacrifice an hour and a half with the kids to walk. A good compromise is I cycle the majority of days which takes about 20, also enjoy it far more than driving.

I say the majority as when it's hammering with rain or snow I usually don't. It's to my shame though as a boy from work is 68 and cycles literally everyday.

[lapsedhibee]

Your average person in this country wouldn't be able to walk anywhere near 3 miles in 45 minutes, could you?

4mph is brisk but doable with surprisingly little practice.

[Stairway 2 7]

4mph is brisk but doable with surprisingly little practice.

Need to add in crossing roads and red lights, it's a very brisk walk

[Crunchie]

4mph is brisk but doable with surprisingly little practice.
Very doable depending on age and fitness. I'm a regular walker and have been all my life and I couldn't do it now, not many could beat me up a Munro in the day :greengrin

[hibsbollah]

good compromise is I cycle the majority of days which takes about 20, also enjoy it far more than driving.


:agree: This is the big factor for me, I just love being on my bike, you can see much more, notice more things, and the cycle lanes make a big difference to the stress levels. Good for fitness and it’s free. If it’s chucking it down I take the bus.

[Pretty Boy]

I think a huge part of the issue with cycling and walking is we don't do anywhere near enough to accommodate it.

One example that immediately springs to mind is the section of the Water of Leith path that has been closed for the best part of 10 years. I believe work has started on the repairs now but it's ridiculous it has taken that long. The spaces for people scheme is so polarised. It's either love it or hate it for many people. My argument has always been that a scheme that encourages walking or cycling is a good thing but it has to be done well. The current scheme is a cobbled together, rushed mess that is bordering on dangerous in parts. It needs investment and improvement.

I remember being fascinated when in Denmark a few years ago at the provisions in place for cyclists and pedestrians. Large areas of both commercial and residential land completely pedestrianised and free of traffic. Clearly defined and separate roadways for cyclists, motorists and pedestrians. As a runner I noted there were signposted and waymarked running loops with the distances clearly marked for each, all well maintained and crucially well lit and safe looking. My cousin recently moved to Sweden and I believe the infrastructure is similar there.

I suppose it's largely down to cultural mindset. For many here the car is king, time spent walking or cycling is time wasted. It's ingrained in the motorist that the cyclist or pedestrian is their enemy, why would you want to be like someone you have been taught is a nuisance? I also think our public transport infrastructure is poor across the board. Yes, Edinburgh has a decent bus service but as increasing numbers of people are priced out of the city has public transport provision kept pace. Areas like Kirkliston, Winchburgh, Broxburn, Loanhead etc have no direct links to the rail network. Is there any desire or more importantly funding available to expand and improve the network? There is ongoing resistance to the expansion of the trams, resistance to money being spent on new or improved cycle paths and resistance to any kind of pedestrianisation. For many the right to take their car where they want, when they want is their default mindset. Any attempt to balance that and create provision for others is treated as discrimination against and demonisation of the motorist.

[Moulin Yarns]

Your average person in this country wouldn't be able to walk anywhere near 3 miles in 45 minutes, could you?

See Hibsbollah's post. 2 and a half miles in 45 minutes.


https://www.healthline.com/health/exercise-fitness/average-walking-speed

[Crunchie]

See Hibsbollah's post. 2 and a half miles in 45 minutes.


https://www.healthline.com/health/exercise-fitness/average-walking-speed
That'll be a no then :aok:

[LaMotta]

Well I suppose it depends on the journey you might take - where you live and where you work - but if im heading to my work on my normal route that car journey time is close to 6 minutes for the 45 minute walk, def no longer than 10 mins. Covid has def reduced that time of course with less cars on road. I'm going that way shortly so I'll time myself:greengrin.

I live at Dean Village area and drive West out of town towards the bypass so I dont sit in traffic for ages and for me the time saved is def worth it and imagine others may feel the same. If my journey was different then walking might be an option but that 45 min walk limit isnt going to work for everyone.

I know how excited people will be to find out how long it took me.......:greengrin

Left at 8.19 and got to the 45 minute walking distance point at 8.26. Google maps only a minute out, despite it being peakish traffic time.

[Smartie]

I live down by Ocean Terminal and work at the West End.

It took a few attempts for me to find the best route to walk, but by the time I did I was pretty flabbergasted by the fact that even though it's a few miles, a brisk and direct walk takes much the same time as it does to leave work, walk to the bus, wait for the bus, get the bus through whatever traffic or tram situation is going at that time, get off the bus and walk the rest of the way home. And that is comparing the walking to a pretty outstanding bus service for that route, if the truth be told.

Walking is great. I don't love walking to work as it's a bit more uphill and sweaty before doing a day's work but walking home is bliss. It's less pleasant in the dark (so that's probably me through to late February now) or the rain though.

[JXM73]

So when they say deforestation to end by 2030, is that when they'll have got rid of all the forests or when they intend to ignore what they said in Glascow?

[lapsedhibee]

Need to add in crossing roads and red lights, it's a very brisk walk

Crossing the roads when it's safe, 4mph.
Crossing the roads only when there's a little green man telling you to do it, agree, about 2mph.

[Stairway 2 7]

Crossing the roads when it's safe, 4mph.
Crossing the roads only when there's a little green man telling you to do it, agree, about 2mph.

Don't even understand this but fair play. Anyhoo 4mph is a very brisk walk for vast majority of the population, especially when stopping for traffic red lights ect in the city. Joshua Cheptegei could do it in just over 12, although no through the city mind

[Renfrew_Hibby]

Every day off I have (if it's not pi$$ing down) I like to walk a particular route in my local area which distances roughly 4 miles. I keep it brisk if not exactly power walking mode and I cover this distance usually bang on the hour mark.

[Paul1642]

I never used to consider cycling to work and bought into the whole cyclists are annoying idea.

I bought a bike and started cycling to work (weather permitting) during the first lockdown and couldn’t recommend it enough! A cycle on a nice sunny day is priceless. It takes around 40 minutes longer each way for me but that is because I can take the motorway to work. I have friends who work in town who get there quicker by cycling and love it. Give it a shot if you haven’t already! Save you money, it’s good for you, and it’s good for the environment. No catch!

[greenlex]

There was something very surreal (almost movie like) seeing the Presidential motorcade speeding down the main drag at Livingston.

[Sir David Gray]

Seems like you're not supposed to attend conferences like this if you're a wheelchair user.

Really poor from the organisers.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-59128618

[Stairway 2 7]

I never used to consider cycling to work and bought into the whole cyclists are annoying idea.

I bought a bike and started cycling to work (weather permitting) during the first lockdown and couldn’t recommend it enough! A cycle on a nice sunny day is priceless. It takes around 40 minutes longer each way for me but that is because I can take the motorway to work. I have friends who work in town who get there quicker by cycling and love it. Give it a shot if you haven’t already! Save you money, it’s good for you, and it’s good for the environment. No catch!

Yeah you feel great for it, I watched a program with a dr trial to use cycling as a natural antidepressant and it worked great. It's like going to the gym every day without thinking about it. Takes me 20 minutes to get home and the bus is 40.

If people are apprehensive, a boy at work got an electric bike and it's awesome. It's not like a motorbike or anything , I had a shot and would say its like cycling with a huge wind pushing you on.

[Since90+2]

Yeah you feel great for it, I watched a program with a dr trial to use cycling as a natural antidepressant and it worked great. It's like going to the gym every day without thinking about it. Takes me 20 minutes to get home and the bus is 40.

If people are apprehensive, a boy at work got an electric bike and it's awesome. It's not like a motorbike or anything , I had a shot and would say its like cycling with a huge wind pushing you on.

Id love to cycle more but to be honest I'd not feel very safe around Edinburgh's roads. They don't seem very accommodating to bikes.

Is there a substantial cycle path network in Edinburgh?

[Stairway 2 7]

Id love to cycle more but to be honest I'd not feel very safe around Edinburgh's roads. They don't seem very accommodating to bikes.

Is there a substantial cycle path network in Edinburgh?

Cycling lanes are ok and you can do wee detours to use more of them, about to be upgraded with an extra 50 miles going in
https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/edinburgh-council-unveil-more-50-21818406

To be honest even without them I feel safe. You can help yourself unlike quite a few cyclists tbh, I keep into the side, don't go through red lights, don't undertake or overtake cars and don't zip in and out traffic, also have bright lights and clothes.

It may take me an extra few minutes but I feel its worth it. Almost everyone gives you plenty space if your Cycling responsibly

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[Radium]

I wonder how they knew he was Scottish. [emoji848]

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[Kato]

… pale blue skin …


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[JimBHibees]

There was something very surreal (almost movie like) seeing the Presidential motorcade speeding down the main drag at Livingston.

Where is Sleepy Joe staying?

[Killiehibbie]

I wonder how they knew he was Scottish. [emoji848]

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Ginger

[CropleyWasGod]

Where is Sleepy Joe staying?

Premier Inn at Deer Park.

[Stairway 2 7]

31 miles 😆 unbelievable, that's about as bad as man u flying to Leicester

https://mobile.twitter.com/NewsForAllUK/status/1455581418260684806

NEW: It has been revealed that the EU’s top official Ursula Von der Leyen has flown for 18 of her 34 trips since taking up the role, using a private jet to travel just 31 miles on one occasion

[lapsedhibee]

31 miles 😆 unbelievable, that's about as bad as man u flying to Leicester

https://mobile.twitter.com/NewsForAllUK/status/1455581418260684806

NEW: It has been revealed that the EU’s top official Ursula Von der Leyen has flown for 18 of her 34 trips since taking up the role, using a private jet to travel just 31 miles on one occasion

Telegraph with an anti-EU story, now that's a first.

[Stairway 2 7]

Telegraph with an anti-EU story, now that's a first.

Doesn't matter if it came from pravda or the broons. The fact is leaders whether its boris flying up from London or ursela flying ****** 31 miles, really need to start practicing what they preach or the argument is lost

[Smartie]

Doesn't matter if it came from pravda or the broons. The fact is leaders whether its boris flying up from London or ursela flying ****** 31 miles, really need to start practicing what they preach or the argument is lost

It remains to be seen whether or not any good comes from this event whatsoever but what it has undoubtedly done has been to shine the spotlight firmly on our leaders and how they behave - and it appears that very few of them come out of it with any credit whatsoever.

[lapsedhibee]

Doesn't matter if it came from pravda or the broons. The fact is leaders whether its boris flying up from London or ursela flying ****** 31 miles, really need to start practicing what they preach or the argument is lost

A complete irrelevance how Johnson, Biden, or anyone else got to or from Cop26. Whatever agreement is reached or not reached between governments about the planet's future won't be determined by how many delegates arrived on a bicycle.

[hibsbollah]

A complete irrelevance how Johnson, Biden, or anyone else got to or from Cop26. Whatever agreement is reached or not reached between governments about the planet's future won't be determined by how many delegates arrived on a bicycle.

I tend to agree with this, it would be nice optics if they visibly took a train instead of a private jet, but its not a big issue compared to commissioning lots of coal fired power stations (thanks Mr Biden). Too much of politics is performative pish as it is.

[Stairway 2 7]

A complete irrelevance how Johnson, Biden, or anyone else got to or from Cop26. Whatever agreement is reached or not reached between governments about the planet's future won't be determined by how many delegates arrived on a bicycle.

Biden has to fly here, he doesn't need 40 motors most of them gas guzzling massive motors including 5 massive cadillacs including one called the beast.

And lardy can take a train which would only add an our to his trip, also wear a mask when he's in our country

[Ozyhibby]

Biden has to fly here, he doesn't need 40 motors most of them gas guzzling massive motors including 5 massive cadillacs including one called the beast.

And lardy can take a train which would only add an our to his trip, also wear a mask when he's in our country

Given how many US presidents have been shot then you can hardly blame them for being a bit cautious.


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[Smartie]

Biden has to fly here, he doesn't need 40 motors most of them gas guzzling massive motors including 5 massive cadillacs including one called the beast.

And lardy can take a train which would only add an our to his trip, also wear a mask when he's in our country

We need our leaders to lead by example a bit better.

Ours can start by wearing a mask when sitting next to a 95 year old man and staying awake during the presentations.

I think we all pragmatically accept that some situations may have to be a wee it environmentally unkind - such as the leaders of the world meeting up to chat face to face.

Surely they could adopt an "every little helps" approach and carry out even a small gesture apiece that makes it look like they think their own actions matter and not that the alteration of behaviour is only for the little people?

[Stairway 2 7]

Given how many US presidents have been shot then you can hardly blame them for being a bit cautious.


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That justifies 1 armoured car like the queen and other leaders, the rest could be in electric motors or busses if there is that many of them. None have been shot in my life time and he's more likely to get chibbed or bottled in the weeg

[Ozyhibby]

That justifies 1 armoured car like the queen and other leaders, the rest could be in electric motors or busses if there is that many of them. None have been shot in my life time and he's more likely to get chibbed or bottled in the weeg

There is a reason none have been shot recently.[emoji6]


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[Geo_1875]

That justifies 1 armoured car like the queen and other leaders, the rest could be in electric motors or busses if there is that many of them. None have been shot in my life time and he's more likely to get chibbed or bottled in the weeg
2 US Presidents have been shot in my lifetime along with many other high profile politicians worldwide. They have every reason to take security seriously.

[Stairway 2 7]

2 US Presidents have been shot in my lifetime along with many other high profile politicians worldwide. They have every reason to take security seriously.

Last time was over 40 years ago when they just walked about shaking hands in public. But that's really besides the point because the uk germany ect have bullet and bomb proof electric cars. Biden could even bring over the armoured tesla x that is armoured or even the armys electric jackals with **** off guns on the roof

[Pretty Boy]

I think it probably suits the politicians and negotiators if we become bogged down in arguments about how they travel.

I accept there should be a leading by example and every little helps mentality. It's not going to be what decides if the conference is a success or not though. The populace holding our leaders to account on deforestation, methane output and whatever else is still to be announced over the coming weeks is what will make that difference.

A lot of people seem to be saying the right things and I'm a bit more optimistic than I was a few days ago. We need to ignore the political pantomime and focus on the big picture for the next decade though.

[Stairway 2 7]

A tangent but on assassination theme, the most mental story of a ****** bizarre year award goes to
https://www.forbes.com/sites/teakvetenadze/2021/11/02/qanon-believers-gather-in-dallas-awaiting-return-of-long-dead-jfk-jr/?utm_source=ground.news&utm_medium=referral

QAnon supporters have reportedly gathered in Dallas, Texas, in anticipation of the return of John F. Kennedy Jr., who they believe will announce a 2024 presidential run alongside Donald Trump, despite being dead for 22 years—the latest crackpot claim from a movement that believes the world is run by a cabal of Satan-worshiping pedophiles.

Journalist Steven Monacelli posted pictures to Twitter Monday of a crowd gathered at the AT&T Discovery District in downtown Dallas with many wearing “Trump/JFK Jr. 2024” shirts ahead of an expected announcement from Kennedy on Tuesday at Dealey Plaza, where his father, President John F. Kennedy, was assassinated in 1963.

According to various QAnon conspiracy theories, the younger Kennedy is expected to emerge from two decades of hiding to be named vice president to a reinstated Trump, who in turn will become “king of kings,” Newsweek reported

https://mobile.twitter.com/stevanzetti/status/1455589122261803010

Hundreds of them 😆

[Kato]

A tangent but on assassination theme, the most mental story of a ****** bizarre year award goes to
https://www.forbes.com/sites/teakvetenadze/2021/11/02/qanon-believers-gather-in-dallas-awaiting-return-of-long-dead-jfk-jr/?utm_source=ground.news&utm_medium=referral

QAnon supporters have reportedly gathered in Dallas, Texas, in anticipation of the return of John F. Kennedy Jr., who they believe will announce a 2024 presidential run alongside Donald Trump, despite being dead for 22 years—the latest crackpot claim from a movement that believes the world is run by a cabal of Satan-worshiping pedophiles.

Journalist Steven Monacelli posted pictures to Twitter Monday of a crowd gathered at the AT&T Discovery District in downtown Dallas with many wearing “Trump/JFK Jr. 2024” shirts ahead of an expected announcement from Kennedy on Tuesday at Dealey Plaza, where his father, President John F. Kennedy, was assassinated in 1963.

According to various QAnon conspiracy theories, the younger Kennedy is expected to emerge from two decades of hiding to be named vice president to a reinstated Trump, who in turn will become “king of kings,” Newsweek reported

https://mobile.twitter.com/stevanzetti/status/1455589122261803010

Hundreds of them [emoji38]I wonder if they go on Facebook much.

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[Tobias Funke]

CNN deciding to base themselves in Edinburgh for Bidens visit, Wolf Blitzer currently broadcasting his daily show from The Grassmarket with castle in the background.

[nairn hibee]

That justifies 1 armoured car like the queen and other leaders, the rest could be in electric motors or busses if there is that many of them. None have been shot in my life time and he's more likely to get chibbed or bottled in the weeg
If they paid 50p to some wee Ned they wouldn’t need security ,would have saved a fortune

[JimBHibees]

Premier Inn at Deer Park.

:greengrin

[JeMeSouviens]

CNN deciding to base themselves in Edinburgh for Bidens visit, Wolf Blitzer currently broadcasting his daily show from The Grassmarket with castle in the background.

Sensible.

[FromLeithtoNZ]

[QUOTE=Ozyhibby;6710226]Lots of targets will get set and promises made. And that’s about it. No actual action will be taken.


That's the long and the short of it. A talking shop.

[FromLeithtoNZ]

Biden has to fly here, he doesn't need 40 motors most of them gas guzzling massive motors including 5 massive cadillacs including one called the beast.

And lardy can take a train which would only add an our to his trip, also wear a mask when he's in our country


Absolutely right. It is completely relevant. Biden's motorcade is taking the Michael. It may be necessary for the world's decision makers to fly to the event. But, is it necessary for Prince Albert of Monaco to fly there in his private jet? What about all the hangers on, going along for the ride? The political class are, as usual, playing a game of do as we say not as we do.

[lapsedhibee]

I think it probably suits the politicians and negotiators if we become bogged down in arguments about how they travel.

And particularly their sponsors.
https://twitter.com/JamieJones77/status/1455811477437300738/photo/1

[Dmas]

[QUOTE=Ozyhibby;6710226]Lots of targets will get set and promises made. And that’s about it. No actual action will be taken.


That's the long and the short of it. A talking shop.

It’s an event that so far has only managed to knock the stuffing out you, Biden made his promises yesterday everyone looking to see what he plans his country are top 5 polluters all the right noises made but absolutely no chance these promises get passed through the capitol when he gets back.

Then we have our own man incapable of following covid rules in a different country to his own and incapable of staying awake as well right off the back of his party voting through dumping raw sewage into water ways, telling kids recycling is a ‘red herring’ and cutting the price of domestic air travel the weeks leading up this conference and we see nothing from the media to hold him and his party to account (as is becoming usual)

Labours inability to pick up one of the many balls dropped and run with it to their advantage makes me think we’re stuck with this lot for a long long time unless independence is successful and there’s no chance of turning this around whilst so many in high places would lose out financially with the cuts that are required.

[hibsbollah]

We need our leaders to lead by example a bit better.

Ours can start by wearing a mask when sitting next to a 95 year old man and staying awake during the presentations.

I think we all pragmatically accept that some situations may have to be a wee it environmentally unkind - such as the leaders of the world meeting up to chat face to face.

Surely they could adopt an "every little helps" approach and carry out even a small gesture apiece that makes it look like they think their own actions matter and not that the alteration of behaviour is only for the little people?

Mask off in the middle of a pandemic, next to a 95 year old man and broadcasting legend, asleep, while a conference to deal with a climate emergency is ongoing. At least it’s not Corbyn though.

[Keith_M]

A complete irrelevance how Johnson, Biden, or anyone else got to or from Cop26. Whatever agreement is reached or not reached between governments about the planet's future won't be determined by how many delegates arrived on a bicycle.


I agree... and that comes from someone who has a complete loathing for Boris Johnson.

[ronaldo7]

Debate night last night regarding COP26

https://twitter.com/PhantomPower14/status/1455826645420593153

‘It’s about shifting structures of oppression so we continue to build our lives in a way that makes sense to us, in a way that is determined to us and I know the people of #Scotland understand that’ Pacific Climate Warrior Joseph Sikulu on self-determination and climate justice.

[Renfrew_Hibby]

Sensible.

Yeah CNN actually said that they chose the wrong city!

Thing is though why doesn't Edinburgh have a conference/exhibition area the equivalent of what Glasgow has in the SEC? Or a concert venue like the hydro?

[Moulin Yarns]

Yeah CNN actually said that they chose the wrong city!

Thing is though why doesn't Edinburgh have a conference/exhibition area the equivalent of what Glasgow has in the SEC? Or a concert venue like the hydro?

Just a guess, but edinburgh doesn't have huge areas of derelict land to spare? But it does have a picturesque castle 😉

[Since90+2]

Just a guess, but edinburgh doesn't have huge areas of derelict land to spare?

Yes, it does.

[Moulin Yarns]

Yes, it does.

The same size as the SEC? I have my doubts. Only 3 sites over 10 hectares, Granton Harbour, continental tyres at Newbridge and a quarry at Ratho.

https://www.gov.scot/publications/maps-of-vacant-and-derelict-land-in-edinburgh/


The Royal Highland show ground should be used to hold events more often.

[Pretty Boy]

Iirc there was an idea to build a Hydro type venue somewhere around Newhaven not long after Edinburgh hosted the MTV Awards in a temporary venue in the early to mid 00s.

I think the biggest obstacle was the road infrastructure in the surrounding area and beyond. Glasgow does seem better served in that regard in a number of ways. I think it was another one of those things that was blamed on the trams when it didn't happen.

The Hydro is the 4th busiest indoor arena in the world measured by ticket sales. That's quite something.

Edit. Plans reported here for an 8K capacity venue near Straiton:

https://www.insider.co.uk/news/vision-indoor-music-arena-edinburgh-21011080

[Stairway 2 7]

Iirc there was an idea to build a Hydro type venue somewhere around Newhaven not long after Edinburgh hosted the MTV Awards in a temporary venue in the early to mid 00s.

I think the biggest obstacle was the road infrastructure in the surrounding area and beyond. Glasgow does seem better served in that regard in a number of ways. I think it was another one of those things that was blamed on the trams when it didn't happen.

The Hydro is the 4th busiest indoor arena in the world measured by ticket sales. That's quite something.

Edit. Plans reported here for an 8K capacity venue near Straiton:

https://www.insider.co.uk/news/vision-indoor-music-arena-edinburgh-21011080

A company wanted to build one in leith 10 years ago. The council over ruled as wanted it near the airport, instead we got nothing. There were plans for fountainbridge and the Ratho one more recently but still nothing.

https://www.scotsman.com/news/developers-anger-city-snubs-leith-site-gig-venue-1669443

It's a disgrace really. The top about 15 cities in the uk manage one and many much smaller than Edinburghs catchment. The council won't care as they will be comfy in the new 1000 seat classical music dunnard centre getting built, 40 million coming from council plus scot and uk govs

[Moulin Yarns]

A company wanted to build one in leith 10 years ago. The council over ruled as wanted it near the airport, instead we got nothing. There were plans for fountainbridge and the Ratho one more recently but still nothing.

https://www.scotsman.com/news/developers-anger-city-snubs-leith-site-gig-venue-1669443

It's a disgrace really. The top about 15 cities in the uk manage one and many much smaller than Edinburghs catchment. The council won't care as they will be comfy in the new 1000 seat classical music dunnard centre getting built, 40 million coming from council plus scot and uk govs

I had to look it up. The Dunard Centre is behind the old Royal Bank building in St Andrews Square.

[Stairway 2 7]

I had to look it up. The Dunard Centre is behind the old Royal Bank building in St Andrews Square.

Yes and it's only 1000 people mainly for classical music, what Edinburgh needs is 8000-10,000. Millions of pounds of Edinburghers money gets spent in Glasgow, Aberdeen and Newcastle seeing bigger bands, boxing, ufc, comedians ect ect.

[lord bunberry]

Yes and it's only 1000 people mainly for classical music, what Edinburgh needs is 8000-10,000. Millions of pounds of Edinburghers money gets spent in Glasgow, Aberdeen and Newcastle seeing bigger bands, boxing, ufc, comedians ect ect.
:agree: It’s ridiculous the amount of time I’ve had to go to Glasgow or Newcastle for an event. This council and previous ones don’t give a damn about this kind of thing. As long as tourists keep coming and they can continue to operate the city like a mini London, they’ll be happy.

[Moulin Yarns]

Yes and it's only 1000 people mainly for classical music, what Edinburgh needs is 8000-10,000. Millions of pounds of Edinburghers money gets spent in Glasgow, Aberdeen and Newcastle seeing bigger bands, boxing, ufc, comedians ect ect.

How do think I feel, anything better than a covers band playing in a local pub and it's an overnight stay in Edinburgh or Glasgow. 😉

I agree. The playhouse is the only decent size venue in Edinburgh. The festival theatre and usher Hall are too similar in size and I like the Queens Hall. Something double or treble the playhouse is needed, but where? Only option is outside the city centre.

[lord bunberry]

How do think I feel, anything better than a covers band playing in a local pub and it's an overnight stay in Edinburgh or Glasgow. 😉

I agree. The playhouse is the only decent size venue in Edinburgh. The festival theatre and usher Hall are too similar in size and I like the Queens Hall. Something double or treble the playhouse is needed, but where? Only option is outside the city centre.
They should’ve built it on the site of the old bus depot on New Street. Right next to Waverley and a car park across the road. Instead we got yet another hotel and more offices.

[Moulin Yarns]

They should’ve built it on the site of the old bus depot on New Street. Right next to Waverley and a car park across the road. Instead we got yet another hotel and more offices.

That's the UK government office in Scotland, I don't remember seeing a hotel, I stayed in old tolbooth place the last time I was in the capital.

[Stairway 2 7]

How do think I feel, anything better than a covers band playing in a local pub and it's an overnight stay in Edinburgh or Glasgow. 😉

I agree. The playhouse is the only decent size venue in Edinburgh. The festival theatre and usher Hall are too similar in size and I like the Queens Hall. Something double or treble the playhouse is needed, but where? Only option is outside the city centre.

The guys in the article that already made the huge Leeds arena said it had to be leith. Most European New arenas are going city centre. Leith or Newhaven is an even better proposition now the tram goes straight there.

[Moulin Yarns]

The guys in the article that already made the huge Leeds arena said it had to be leith. Most European New arenas are going city centre. Leith or Newhaven is an even better proposition now the tram goes straight there.

Oh good. When did the trams start going all the way to Newhaven?

[lord bunberry]

That's the UK government office in Scotland, I don't remember seeing a hotel, I stayed in old tolbooth place the last time I was in the capital.
The hotel is directly opposite the government office, the main entrance is on the Cannongate.

[Moulin Yarns]

The hotel is directly opposite the government office, the main entrance is on the Cannongate.

That's an existing building, not on the site of the bus depot.

[Since90+2]

Oh good. When did the trams start going all the way to Newhaven?

Last week.

[lord bunberry]

That's an existing building, not on the site of the bus depot.
It’s been extended to the rear where the square is.

[Moulin Yarns]

Last week.

Brilliant, ahead of schedule, for all the criticism from all quarters, GIRFUY 😁










PS I know it isn't running yet 😉

[Moulin Yarns]

It’s been extended to the rear where the square is.

I know, I had breakfast in Lowdens.

I've parked in that garage in the past, and the hotel is not part of it.

FWIW, it might have been a good location for a concert venue but obviously the money wasn't there.

[Keith_M]

Reasons why alternative, 'greener' energy sources, is not always a good idea,

#87549572


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[Since90+2]

Brilliant, ahead of schedule, for all the criticism from all quarters, GIRFUY 😁








PS I know it isn't running yet 😉

It would still be years behind schedule and massively over budget even if it was finished last week.

That's of course unless you decide to ignore the original completion date and budget. I'd love to manage a project with those parameters.

[Stairway 2 7]

Oh good. When did the trams start going all the way to Newhaven?

Well unless they can plan and build an arena in a year and a half(they can't). A tram will be running to there obviously

[Keith_M]

Well unless they can plan and build an arena in a year and a half(they can't). A tram will be running to there obviously


Have you ever looked up the meaning of the expression 'to go off on a tangent'?

[Stairway 2 7]

Have you ever looked up the meaning of the expression 'to go off on a tangent'?

There's been about 25 messages on the subject and taken off tangent by someone else saying Edinburgh should have an arena that could handle cop26.

If we didn't have threads going off on a tangent this site would have about a quarter of the posts. It's just usually that tangent is independence to be fair.

[Jones28]

Been subjected to the Sainsbury’s radio adverts about what they’re doing for the environment etc…and it’s pissing me off. For example, one of their pledges is to half food waste by 2030. How in ****s name can they only be pledging that kind of thing now when we’ve known about food waste for such a long time? And only by half in over 8 years.

Seems a bit un-ambitious to me.

[Keith_M]

There's been about 25 messages on the subject and taken off tangent by someone else saying Edinburgh should have an arena that could handle cop26.

If we didn't have threads going off on a tangent this site would have about a quarter of the posts. It's just usually that tangent is independence to be fair.


Sorry, I should have a a wee smiley after my comment, it was a (failed) attempt to lighten the mood.

:aok:

[Antifa Hibs]

PM Mia Mottley with the speech of the conference so far yesterday. Worth googling for. More of her, less G10 ******s please.

[hibsbollah]

PM Mia Mottley with the speech of the conference so far yesterday. Worth googling for. More of her, less G10 ******s please.

I can’t remember his name but the ex president of The Maldives, who was previously jailed by a previous government for his environmental campaigning, was really inspirational as well, from a country that will ‘begin to not exist’ in 30 years because of rising sea levels. Just a tinpot country, but he managed to stay awake, wear a mask and not play the clown role like his host…

[grunt]

The Royal Highland show ground should be used to hold events more often.
No thanks. It's a shed and access is a nightmare.

[Moulin Yarns]

No thanks. It's a shed and access is a nightmare.

It might be a shed, but so is the SEC. Iv not been to the armadillo so can't comment but what is the hydro other than a huge space with temporary seating. The corn exchange? Huge exhibition space occasionally used for music events.

If you want luxury then you have the playhouse, festival theatre and usher Hall.

[hibsbollah]

Meanwhile, the lobbyists have been busy.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/nov/04/climate-misinformation-on-facebook-increasing-substantially-study-says

[Smartie]

It might be a shed, but so is the SEC. Iv not been to the armadillo so can't comment but what is the hydro other than a huge space with temporary seating. The corn exchange? Huge exhibition space occasionally used for music events.

If you want luxury then you have the playhouse, festival theatre and usher Hall.

I've only been once (and it was to a hospitality area) but from where I was looking the Hydro was a cracking, purpose built concert venue built specifically because all of the other ones mentioned were poor substitutes previously used because there was no better alternative?

Whilst it's easy to feel a bit left out in Edinburgh - and I do think that there is a gap in our facilities of a venue of that size -can a country as small as Scotland really justify having more than one venue like the Hydro? Surely if there was a commercial justification for it then it would have been done? Land in Edinburgh costs a fair bit, so much so that it only really seems to be the building of student flats that is actually viable these days.

[Stairway 2 7]

It might be a shed, but so is the SEC. Iv not been to the armadillo so can't comment but what is the hydro other than a huge space with temporary seating. The corn exchange? Huge exhibition space occasionally used for music events.

If you want luxury then you have the playhouse, festival theatre and usher Hall.

You've obviously not been to the Hydro or the majority of the big arenas in the uk. Highland show centre is literally a shed so flat and no use for concerts, also too small now for josh Taylor or bigger bands. The playhouse focuses on touring shows but that and the others is too small for the bands that play arenas.

Hydro is a purpose built tiered stadium with bars food and great views from all seats.

Aberdeen a couple of years ago got rid of the big aecc as it was a shed and built the 10,000 seat p and j arena. Aberdeen s City and urban area are 200,000 and 450,000 Edinburghs is 520,000 and 930,000.

Edinburgh is the 8th biggest city in the uk all in the top 15 have an arena except us and Bradford, which almost joins onto Leeds which has one. Even places like Nottingham, Cardiff, Swansea, Derby, Bolton which are half the size of Edinburgh has one.

[CropleyWasGod]

Going against the grain here.

For me, the SECC and the Hydro are the worst of all possible venues. The acoustics at the SECC are horrendous, and the sightlines poor. The Hydro feels like any stadium gig. Half a mile away from the stage, with the consequent sound issues and a need to watch the screen because the stage is so far away.

And that's before I talk about the atmosphere :greengrin

IMO, there are much better venues in Glasgow and Edinburgh for gigs. If we're advocating for a Hydro-type place in Edinburgh, I wouldn't thank you for it.

:cb

[Ozyhibby]

Going against the grain here.

For me, the SECC and the Hydro are the worst of all possible venues. The acoustics at the SECC are horrendous, and the sightlines poor. The Hydro feels like any stadium gig. Half a mile away from the stage, with the consequent sound issues and a need to watch the screen because the stage is so far away.

And that's before I talk about the atmosphere :greengrin

IMO, there are much better venues in Glasgow and Edinburgh for gigs. If we're advocating for a Hydro-type place in Edinburgh, I wouldn't thank you for it.

:cb

It’s better than nothing which is what Edinburgh has.


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[Moulin Yarns]

Going against the grain here.

For me, the SECC and the Hydro are the worst of all possible venues. The acoustics at the SECC are horrendous, and the sightlines poor. The Hydro feels like any stadium gig. Half a mile away from the stage, with the consequent sound issues and a need to watch the screen because the stage is so far away.

And that's before I talk about the atmosphere :greengrin

IMO, there are much better venues in Glasgow and Edinburgh for gigs. If we're advocating for a Hydro-type place in Edinburgh, I wouldn't thank you for it.

:cb

We are on the same page. Queen's Hall, Oran Mor. Nice intimate gigs.

[Ozyhibby]

We are on the same page. Queen's Hall, Oran Mor. Nice intimate gigs.

Which is nice but uneconomical for a lot of acts. Edinburgh desperately needs a venue that holds around 8-10k.


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[Moulin Yarns]

Which is nice but uneconomical for a lot of acts. Edinburgh desperately needs a venue that holds around 8-10k.


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If so, where do you expect it to be built, and by whom?

[Smartie]

Going against the grain here.

For me, the SECC and the Hydro are the worst of all possible venues. The acoustics at the SECC are horrendous, and the sightlines poor. The Hydro feels like any stadium gig. Half a mile away from the stage, with the consequent sound issues and a need to watch the screen because the stage is so far away.

And that's before I talk about the atmosphere :greengrin

IMO, there are much better venues in Glasgow and Edinburgh for gigs. If we're advocating for a Hydro-type place in Edinburgh, I wouldn't thank you for it.

:cb

Is that not more of a comment on gigs of that size rather than anything to do with the venue itself?

FWIW I tend to agree, therefore I’ve only been the once, and it was on a freebie.

But I thought that it appeared to be a really good facility of that size, if that’s the sort of thing you’re into.

All of my favourite gigs have been at less than perfect venues, but they were all from a time of life when quality of venue was quite low down the list of priorities.

[gbhibby]

If so, where do you expect it to be built, and by whom?
I believe the building of a large venue on the old Cockenzie power station site was an option. This arena should have been built many years ago. Meadowbank site could have been an option. The council could have applied to the Scottish Government for funding but decided to waste more money on the tram. Lots of room at Murrayfield and Staughton or Edinburgh Park and Heriot Watt area to build a large arena. It is a disgrace that a capital city with the largest arts festival in the world has such poor venues.

[CropleyWasGod]

Is that not more of a comment on gigs of that size rather than anything to do with the venue itself?

FWIW I tend to agree, therefore I’ve only been the once, and it was on a freebie.

But I thought that it appeared to be a really good facility of that size, if that’s the sort of thing you’re into.

All of my favourite gigs have been at less than perfect venues, but they were all from a time of life when quality of venue was quite low down the list of priorities.

If you mean the Hydro, possibly. For me, it's sanitised and cold.

If you mean the SECC, nope :greengrin It's a barn of a place IMO, which was obviously built to be all things to all people. On the gig side, it fails on all measures.

[Santa Cruz]

If so, where do you expect it to be built, and by whom?

What about Princes Street? The Council could purchase the stores still in use in the strip from Jenners along to Hanover St and convert it. Easy access for public transport. Princes Street is all but finished as a main retail area. There used to be houses and pubs where the EICC was built which you would never think to look at it if you hadn't known the area beforehand.

[Stairway 2 7]

It should be at the docks Newhaven. Great transport and not far from leith walk area which is the most densely populated are in Scotland.

As for who would pay for it the same companies that have made all the rest in smaller cities in the uk thinking there viable. No chance Edinburgh with a urban area of nearly 1 million would pack one. If anything it should be bigger than discussed here, arenas are absolute cash cows. Bristol Cardiff and Manchester are building new ones with around 20,000 fans.

Comparing them to venues of 500 is just daft. Big artist, major comedians, boxing ufc ect all do only tours of arenas, why do 10 shows in a theater when you can do 1 in a arena.

Edinburgh Council and Scottish government giving 40 million to a classical music venue when we have many that suit the purpose. It will also as usual just serve the few, it is a further slap in the chops

[Santa Cruz]

It should be at the docks Newhaven. Great transport and not far from leith walk area which is the most densely populated are in Scotland.

As for who would pay for it the same companies that have made all the rest in smaller cities in the uk thinking there viable. No chance Edinburgh with a urban area of nearly 1 million would pack one. If anything it should be bigger than discussed here, arenas are absolute cash cows. Bristol Cardiff and Manchester are building new ones with around 20,000 fans.

Comparing them to venues of 500 is just daft. Big artist, major comedians, boxing ufc ect all do only tours of arenas, why do 10 shows in a theater when you can do 1 in a arena.

Edinburgh Council and Scottish government giving 40 million to a classical music venue when we have many that suit the purpose. It will also as usual just serve the few, it is a further slap in the chops

Newhaven is a residential area. There would be too many planning objections.

[Moulin Yarns]

I believe the building of a large venue on the old Cockenzie power station site was an option. This arena should have been built many years ago. Meadowbank site could have been an option. The council could have applied to the Scottish Government for funding but decided to waste more money on the tram. Lots of room at Murrayfield and Staughton or Edinburgh Park and Heriot Watt area to build a large arena. It is a disgrace that a capital city with the largest arts festival in the world has such poor venues.

Or on the royal Highland show ground at ingliston. Tram almost to the door 😉

[Jones28]

If so, where do you expect it to be built, and by whom?

Wasn’t there proposals to do one down by ocean terminal?

It’s the kind of thing Edinburgh is screaming out for.