Hibs v St Mirren

[He's here!]

2012.

Scary. IIRC we've won relatively regularly at McDiarmid since then, plus knocked them out the League Cup at Tynecastle but the home form is crazily poor. We really can't let that continue though it's hard to be confident against them bearing in mind last season's awful stats.

[Centre Hawf]

Our fullbacks are there to stop the crosses coming in, with any wide midfielders giving them support in blocking / closing down the opportunity to get the crosses in. We aren't doing that as well.

The second line of defence is the centre backs getting their head to the ball.

The third is then the keeper.

It's a bit of a collective all round issue here in the defensive unit that needs more work. I do wonder if the change to 4 at the back from the 5 which we played a lot more last season is part of the issue and the wide players ahead of the fullbacks now are effectively wingers / wide forwards and playing further up the pitch?

Would all be fine if we were outscoring the opposition of course 😁

I agree a goal is defended in stages and rarely a goal is ever one persons fault when actually you can go 2/3/4 passes back and find mistakes there too. I don't think you're wrong in the assessment of our back line changing could be leading to more crosses which is why we're seeing us concede more. I can't remember off the top of my head but it would be interesting to go back and see if we were playing with a 4 at the back on the previous occasions this season we've conceded from a cross.

That being said I still think Macey can come for more than he is at the moment. Because as shown at times against Hearts he's decent at the shot stopping aspect.

[Allez Hibs]

Nisbet should have grabbed Boyle to prevent him touching the ball.

Agreed, say Nisbet did push Boyle out the way to prevent him touching it, what would the ref do? By letter of the law.

[Tambo]

Today is not a blip. We are conceding the same soft goals over and over again. Crosses into the box. The keeper is either rooted to his line despite being a ******ing giant or the full backs are switching off/letting the ball into the box.

It’s not good enough.


I said home game which we won 3-0 and 2-0 but yes we should be defending crosses better which is where most of the goals conceded have come from.

[Peevemor]

Agreed, say Nisbet did push Boyle out the way to prevent him touching it, what would the ref do? By letter of the law.

I was only joking.. And unless it's dangerous play (assault), then the ref wouldn't do anything.

[GreenCastle]

Pretty much how I seen it.

Poor first half, much better first 15-20 mins of the second half then back to being poor again.

3 draws in the last 4 and our good start is in danger of becoming decidedly average if we don’t do well out of the difficult run we have coming up. If we don’t manage to beat Aberdeen, Rangers or Celtic then we could see ourselves sitting mid table after the first round of fixtures.

Draws really aren’t great even it undefeated.

You would rather win 1 and lose 1 than 2 draws and not losing.

Doig was definitely looking tired late on and should have been subbed.

We put ourselves under pressure with basic mistakes and often nearly losing a goal from our own attacks / corners.

The lack of options off the bench definitely showing once again. Teams
will keep testing us with crosses so we need to stop the crosses and back line has to do better.

[CL0762]

I said home game which we won 3-0 and 2-0 but yes we should be defending crosses better which is where most of the goals conceded have come from.

Sorry, I was meaning overall this type of goal we’re conceding isn’t a blip, it’s happening far too often.

I think almost every goal we’ve conceded this season so far has came from a cross ball into the box?

[Tambo]

Sorry, I was meaning overall this type of goal we’re conceding isn’t a blip, it’s happening far too often.

I think almost every goal we’ve conceded this season so far has came from a cross ball into the box?

I think so apart from Cummings.

[Allez Hibs]

I was only joking.. And unless it's dangerous play (assault), then the ref wouldn't do anything.

Thought you had a point. Nfl type stuff but if it allowed the goal then so what.

Yes, Bowyer and Dyer fighting comes to mind.

[Keith_M]

Disappointed we drew but we weren't very good today and didn't deserve a win

Oh well, on to next week

[Allez Hibs]

Any need for the personal digs, lets try and keep it to football matters eh? just trolling.

This.

[Real Emerald]

That's not the problem, too many flat performances all over the park.

Whilst I agree that there were too many flat performances, nothing sticks up top and Nisbet doesn’t do well on his own. It’s really poor that Hibs don’t have any other strikers, Gullen is obviously not an option. Very disappointing for a club our size.

[Iain G]

I agree a goal is defended in stages and rarely a goal is ever one persons fault when actually you can go 2/3/4 passes back and find mistakes there too. I don't think you're wrong in the assessment of our back line changing could be leading to more crosses which is why we're seeing us concede more. I can't remember off the top of my head but it would be interesting to go back and see if we were playing with a 4 at the back on the previous occasions this season we've conceded from a cross.

That being said I still think Macey can come for more than he is at the moment. Because as shown at times against Hearts he's decent at the shot stopping aspect.

Yeah I agree. Macey has only player about 58 first team games in his career to date so hoping he grows into the role as he develops and gains experience and confidence and his own game develops.

As a comparison, Rocky has played over 140 first team games before he came to us.

[A Hi-Bee]

Draws really aren’t great even it undefeated.

You would rather win 1 and lose 1 than 2 draws and not losing.

Doig was definitely looking tired late on and should have been subbed.

We put ourselves under pressure with basic mistakes and often nearly losing a goal from our own attacks / corners.

The lack of options off the bench definitely showing once again. Teams
will keep testing us with crosses so we need to stop the crosses and back line has to do better.

Pretty much the way the team is just now, and it will be for some time, we never showed for the first half then we never used our subs when required to block off their midfield late on in the game, was Newell even playing today. The full backs do not get the cover they should as the game goes on, then tired looking attempts to stop crosses along with a huge goal keeper who dont seem to be able to time a jump. We dont learn and that is the staffs job. Our set pieces are crap most of the time, dont they practice them.
Still on the positive we are still to taste defeat yet.

[Bridge hibs]

Pretty much the way the team is just now, and it will be for some time, we never showed for the first half then we never used our subs when required to block off their midfield late on in the game, was Newell even playing today. The full backs do not get the cover they should as the game goes on, then tired looking attempts to stop crosses along with a huge goal keeper who dont seem to be able to time a jump. We dont learn and that is the staffs job. Our set pieces are crap most of the time, dont they practice them.
Still on the positive we are still to taste defeat yet.Why a pop at Macey ? He done absolute **** all wrong today, bizarre post

[B.H.F.C]

Why a pop at Macey ? He done absolute **** all wrong today, bizarre post

Thought he looked at fault for the first goal.

[Allez Hibs]

Probably the last time you had anything positive to say.

On the flip side, I don't think it's helpful being overly positive all the time. We need a degree of realism. Next week is a tough game as evidenced by the fact we haven't beaten them in the league at home since 2012 which will require a good performance with Boyle and Nisbet being fully at it.

[Bridge hibs]

Thought he looked at fault for the first goal.Explain ?

[Smartie]

Our fullbacks are there to stop the crosses coming in, with any wide midfielders giving them support in blocking / closing down the opportunity to get the crosses in. We aren't doing that as well.

The second line of defence is the centre backs getting their head to the ball.

The third is then the keeper.

It's a bit of a collective all round issue here in the defensive unit that needs more work. I do wonder if the change to 4 at the back from the 5 which we played a lot more last season is part of the issue and the wide players ahead of the fullbacks now are effectively wingers / wide forwards and playing further up the pitch?

Would all be fine if we were outscoring the opposition of course 😁

I’m not convinced our fullbacks are there to stop the crosses coming in.

We’ve seen that goal a few times this season and I’m getting hacked off with it.

I’d be surprised if Paul McGinn wanted his man to have that much space before tanking out to him and failing to stop the cross coming in. I reckon there’s some sort of “defend narrowly” instruction that plain isn’t working.

We’re not going to stop losing the same, basic goal, time and time again until we get tighter to the wide player and having crosses come into the box that the opposition always seem to get a run on.

[A Hi-Bee]

Why a pop at Macey ? He done absolute **** all wrong today, bizarre post

I'll have a pop at whoever I want, he was glued to his line at the 2nd goal and on the first he had the chance to come out of his penalty area and deal with the ball and then he got beat at his near post I think that covers it pretty ****in much.

[Peevemor]

Thought he looked at fault for the first goal.

I don't see it. The ball was hit through Porto's legs at 100mph and squeezed in at the post. It would have been a brilliant save had he managed. I think he could have come for the second though, although maybe he's instructed not to.

[Magpie]

Today and the Dundee game extremely frustrating. I would bring Wood in for Hanlon on Thursday.

[bigwheel]

Today and the Dundee game extremely frustrating. I would bring Wood in for Hanlon on Thursday.

You’d bring an untried 19 year old in for our club captain ? What’s the rationale behind that

[J-C]

I’m not convinced our fullbacks are there to stop the crosses coming in.

We’ve seen that goal a few times this season and I’m getting hacked off with it.

I’d be surprised if Paul McGinn wanted his man to have that much space before tanking out to him and failing to stop the cross coming in. I reckon there’s some sort of “defend narrowly” instruction that plain isn’t working.

We’re not going to stop losing the same, basic goal, time and time again until we get tighter to the wide player and having crosses come into the box that the opposition always seem to get a run on.

If you defend narrowly, it usually means your happy for crosses to come in as your confident enough to defend them. I think we look stronger at the back with a back 3, seem to see less crosses coming in, or maybe it's just that our defenders are bang average and not good at dealing with crosses.

[Magpie]

You’d bring an untried 19 year old in for our club captain ? What’s the rationale behind that

Not impressed with Hanlon. Wood has played competitive games for Middlesbrough and captained England U’20s. That’s my reason.

[Bobo]

You just can't play 45 minutes or less in games, like today, and expect to win. We were pretty poor throughout with the exception of the 20 minute period after half time. It happens far too often, where usually the first 45 minutes are wasted, with the players showing little intensity or creation before stepping things up in the 2nd half.

It's also frustrating the amount of times that we surrender possession and allow so many uncontested crosses into our 18 yard box that ultimately leads to conceding goals late in games?

[Helensburghhibs]

You’d bring an untried 19 year old in for our club captain ? What’s the rationale behind that

Paul really struggled at times today and I'm one of his biggest fans.

[B.H.F.C]

Explain ?

Full hand on it. Near post.

Everyone around me in the East thought he was at fault.

[calumhibee1]

Thought he looked at fault for the first goal.

Likewise. By no means a howler but he should have done better imo.

[B.H.F.C]

I don't see it. The ball was hit through Porto's legs at 100mph and squeezed in at the post. It would have been a brilliant save had he managed. I think he could have come for the second though, although maybe he's instructed not to.

Didn’t think he was at fault for the second. Ball wasn’t really in the air and was swinging away from goal as well.

[Nakedmanoncrack]

Thought he looked at fault for the first goal.

I was right behind it, and not a blunder by any means, but I thought he could have done better.

[J-C]

Likewise. By no means a howler but he should have done better imo.


Seen it a few times now, poor by Porteous but Macey gets a soft hand to it and gets beat at his near post, poor goalkeeping, add to that the fact a 6'8" keeper doesn't come for crossed balls.

[Lago]

You’d bring an untried 19 year old in for our club captain ? What’s the rationale behind that
What's he here for to sit on the bench through his loan? I remember he said he was here to get games.

[Gatecrasher]

Shame we couldn't see it out but I really enjoyed the second half, both teams having a bit of a go and the St mirren fans were good at times as well.

[Bridge hibs]

Full hand on it. Near post.

Everyone around me in the East thought he was at fault.Oh ffs full hand ? So he was finger tips away and was at fault ? ****ing unbelievable 🤣

[loanheadhibby]

I'll have a pop at whoever I want, he was glued to his line at the 2nd goal and on the first he had the chance to come out of his penalty area and deal with the ball and then he got beat at his near post I think that covers it pretty ****in much.

His kicking today was dreadful. He gives me the jitters at times. Looked like he could have done better at 1st goal but need to see it again

[WhileTheChief..]

A lot of people saying they are disappointed with that today - I'm gutted.

That was there for the taking. We were doing fine in the second half going 2-1 up then we shat it and tried to defend.

That's on JR today. He didn't need to change a thing. We should have been going for a 3rd instead of inviting them on to us.

Was anyone in the stadium surprised when they equalised? Certainly not in the stands, everyone could see it.

Raging at that today, despite staying top.

[calumhibee1]

His kicking today was dreadful. He gives me the jitters at times. Looked like he could have done better at 1st goal but need to see it again

His kicking was poor. A good few right through the middle of the pitch that he got away with.

[WhileTheChief..]

Full hand on it. Near post.

Everyone around me in the East thought he was at fault.

Yup, criminal goal to lose at the near post. Primary school stuff.

[calumhibee1]

A lot of people saying they are disappointed with that today - I'm gutted.

That was there for the taking. We were doing fine in the second half going 2-1 up then we shat it and tried to defend.

That's on JR today. He didn't need to change a thing. We should have been going for a 3rd instead of inviting them on to us.

Was anyone in the stadium surprised when they equalised? Certainly not in the stands, everyone could see it.

Raging at that today, despite staying top.

Unless JDH was injured or knackered I’ve no idea why Gogic came on.

[CLASS OF 72 -73]

Today and the Dundee game extremely frustrating. I would bring Wood in for Hanlon on Thursday.
coco the clown maybe

[B.H.F.C]

Oh ffs full hand ? So he was finger tips away and was at fault ? ****ing unbelievable 🤣

If he got a full hand then surely he wasn’t fingertips away.

No quite sure about the tone of your post like. But silly really just because someone happened to see it different. Having got there and it being at the near post, I thought he should have saved it.

[WhileTheChief..]

Unless JDH was injured or knackered I’ve no idea why Gogic came on.

Made no sense at all.

Reminded me of an episode of the Sunderland Netflix thing when they tried to defend after going 1-0 up in 5 mins. The chairman dude was going mad in the stand.

I felt like that today. As soon as the change was made, you just 'knew' it was all going to go wrong.

[Ronniekirk]

St Mirren hadn’t scored in Their previous two league games So for us to concede two at home to them is a worry


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[hibee_girl]

Unless JDH was injured or knackered I’ve no idea why Gogic came on.

Would imagine it would be because he was knackered, he won't have had much training time after having Covid

[Radium]

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[Smartie]

Made no sense at all.

Reminded me of an episode of the Sunderland Netflix thing when they tried to defend after going 1-0 up in 5 mins. The chairman dude was going mad in the stand.

I felt like that today. As soon as the change was made, you just 'knew' it was all going to go wrong.

Changes to shore things up and protect what we’ve got often appear to make sense, but there’s something about us and about Jack Ross that makes you just sense it’s not going to work out.

Stevenson for Doig also might have made sense but it would have had a similar effect.

I think Ross maybe just likes to defend leads that are too narrow with defences that simply not good enough to do it.

[Keith_M]

If Rangers and Celtic win 2moro, we move down to 3rd.

It was nice to be in 1st/2nd for a while but it was never gonna be long term

[Bridge hibs]

If he got a full hand then surely he wasn’t fingertips away.

No quite sure about the tone of your post like. But silly really just because someone happened to see it different. Having got there and it being at the near post, I thought he should have saved it.The guy cut inside of Porteous, Macey didnt have the best of views as it was clipped in at the near post, he got his finger tips to it but ffs how can he be blamed ?

[B.H.F.C]

The guy cut inside of Porteous, Macey didnt have the best of views as it was clipped in at the near post, he got his finger tips to it but ffs how can he be blamed ?

I’ve told you why I thought he was at fault. Christ, I’ve seen it once at the game and everyone around me thought the same. Having got there, I thought he could/should have saved it. FFS.

[Mikey_1875]

I really like Macey but thought he was at fault for the first. Near post and got a good hand on it. May look different when the highlights come out but at the time that was my view on it.

[Bridge hibs]

I’ve told you why I thought he was at fault. Christ, I’ve seen it once at the game and everyone around me thought the same. Having got there, I thought he could/should have saved it. FFS.So Porteous wasnt at fault then, just Macey ? And my name is not Christ 👍

[B.H.F.C]

So Porteous wasnt at fault then, just Macey ? And my name is not Christ 👍

You never asked me about Porteous, only Macey. Porteous clearly shouldn’t let the boy inside so easily.

Still, good that you acknowledge Macey was at fault.

[Smartie]

If Rangers and Celtic win 2moro, we move down to 3rd.

It was nice to be in 1st/2nd for a while but it was never gonna be long term

It should have lasted longer than it has. Our fixtures have been favourable. We’re now going into a tough run of fixtures and it’ll be interesting to see where we end up after a full round of fixtures.

The fact that we’ve only got an out of form Nisbet to play up front and we’re leaking soft goals doesn’t give me much hope. I think we need to cling to the “top of the league” and “unbeaten domestically” stuff whilst we can as it’s not going to last much longer.

[Bridge hibs]

You never asked me about Porteous, only Macey. Porteous clearly shouldn’t let the boy inside so easily.

Still, good that you acknowledge Macey was at fault.Oh I never asked you about Porteous letting the guy having a pop 🤣 you missed that bit then, the important bit but you still blame Macey, yeah cool mate, goodnight, enjoy your drinks 👍

[Peevemor]

I really like Macey but thought he was at fault for the first. Near post and got a good hand on it. May look different when the highlights come out but at the time that was my view on it.

Is getting a hand to such a hard shot not a good thing? I think he was unlucky with it as opposed to being at fault.

[WhileTheChief..]

Changes to shore things up and protect what we’ve got often appear to make sense, but there’s something about us and about Jack Ross that makes you just sense it’s not going to work out.

Stevenson for Doig also might have made sense but it would have had a similar effect.

I think Ross maybe just likes to defend leads that are too narrow with defences that simply not good enough to do it.

If we were 2-1 up at Ibrox I could see the point. At home to St Mirren we should be looking to bang another couple in.

We weren't under any pressure at all in the second half until he made the change.

If we go in front against St J, I bet we'll do the same again.

I'd much rather we played like we did against Ross Co and keep going at them.

[He's here!]

Draws really aren’t great even it undefeated.

You would rather win 1 and lose 1 than 2 draws and not losing.

Doig was definitely looking tired late on and should have been subbed.

We put ourselves under pressure with basic mistakes and often nearly losing a goal from our own attacks / corners.

The lack of options off the bench definitely showing once again. Teams
will keep testing us with crosses so we need to stop the crosses and back line has to do better.

Mathematically yes, but from an emotional point of view I'd rather draw two than win one and lose one. When Hibs lose it sours my mood too much. A draw and I can quickly move on. Obviously if we desperately needed the points I'd forego that rule of thumb but that's how it works for me.

[B.H.F.C]

Oh I never asked you about Porteous letting the guy having a pop 🤣 you missed that bit then, the important bit but you still blame Macey, yeah cool mate, goodnight, enjoy your drinks 👍

You specifically asked about Macey. Your sarcastic pish is what makes this boatd poor. Surely the goalie saving it is just as important as the centre half blocking it. If the centre half blocked it every time, you wouldn’t need a goalie, after all.

[jacomo]

I’m reluctant to accuse the BBC of bias.

But on a day when both Edinburgh clubs started level and points and got exactly the same results in their matches, the difference in headlines is stark:

“Hibs blow chance to go top”

“Hearts earn point in thrilling draw”

WTF?

[Mikey_1875]

Is getting a hand to such a hard shot not a good thing? I think he was unlucky with it as opposed to being at fault.

It certainly can be. But I think you need to take each shot/save on its individual merit and to me it looked pretty close to him and he got enough of a hand to it that I would have expected him to be able to push it wide or stop it. Hopefully the highlights will show a better angle to prove me wrong though.

[loanheadhibby]

Might sound a bit strange but I thought we were 2 safe today in 1st half. Newel and Doyle-Hayes were constantly behind the ball making it effectively a back 6. Our full backs hardly got forward in 1st half. Did not work with Boyle on left and Cadden on right. However putting Cadden on left was completely ineffectual.

we are so light upfront. If Nisbet gets injured, we’re in big trouble. And I don’t think he was good today but it’s crucial we keep him fit.

[Steve20]

Dundee away and St Mirren at home - 2 points.

Awful

[Bridge hibs]

You specifically asked about Macey. Your sarcastic pish is what makes this boatd poor. Surely the goalie saving it is just as important as the centre half blocking it. If the centre half blocked it every time, you wouldn’t need a goalie, after all.You blamed Macey, Im not blaming Macey, he wasnt at fault, he got his fingertips to it but Porteous should have done better. As per on here though its Macey is getting the raw deal

And I apologise for being sarcastic mate GGTTH 👍

[Wilson]

I’m reluctant to accuse the BBC of bias.

But on a day when both Edinburgh clubs started level and points and got exactly the same results in their matches, the difference in headlines is stark:

“Hibs blow chance to go top”

“Hearts earn point in thrilling draw”

WTF?

It's the difference in expectation. We're the third placed team from last season. Expected to win and go top. They are the newly promoted pretenders. Every point keeping them in the top six is a bonus. Take it as a compliment.

[Bridge hibs]

Dundee away and St Mirren at home - 2 points.

AwfulYeah, shocking being top of the league eh, Im away to support hearts

[1875Hibees]

You blamed Macey, Im not blaming Macey, he wasnt at fault, he got his fingertips to it but Porteous should have done better. As per on here though its Macey is getting the raw deal

And I apologise for being sarcastic mate GGTTH 👍
Keepers should never get beaten at their near post. And if they get a hand to it, it needs to be strong enough to keep it out. Porteous and Macey were at fault.

[Smartie]

If we were 2-1 up at Ibrox I could see the point. At home to St Mirren we should be looking to bang another couple in.

We weren't under any pressure at all in the second half until he made the change.

If we go in front against St J, I bet we'll do the same again.

I'd much rather we played like we did against Ross Co and keep going at them.

Again though - of the bench he had available, who do you put on if JDH needs to come off to either push on and score more or shore up?

Gogic was about all he had.

I don’t have a problem with shoring up to see it out - as long as we manage to do so.

Jack Ross lost his last job because he consistently let leads slip there.

[cabbageandribs1875]

I’m reluctant to accuse the BBC of bias.

But on a day when both Edinburgh clubs started level and points and got exactly the same results in their matches, the difference in headlines is stark:

“Hibs blow chance to go top”

“Hearts earn point in thrilling draw”

WTF?


as much as i dislike the BBC i don't see anything wrong with that, we DID blow the chance to go clear at the top, out of the two games they got the better result, if the venues were changed i would accept a draw in paisley and feel quite chuffed that heartz had blown a chance at home

we can be grateful their player never scored the winner right at the end

[Bridge hibs]

Keepers should never get beaten at their near post. And if they get a hand to it, it needs to be strong enough to keep it out. Porteous and Macey were at fault.Of course but blaming Macey is just wrong. Macey proved what he was all about at the *****hole but seems he still has to win some folk over. Porteous should have done better in closing the Brophey lad but I still dont see where Macey was at fault

[hibsbollah]

Keepers should never get beaten at their near post.

I cant believe some commentator said this about 50 years ago, and some people still parrot it like its some sort of fact.
Think about it. Its nonsense. No goalkeeper coach in the whole world would agree with you.

[calumhibee1]

Of course but blaming Macey is just wrong. Macey proved what he was all about at the *****hole but seems he still has to win some folk over. Porteous should have done better in closing the Brophey lad but I still dont see where Macey was at fault

He could have had the best performance ever seen at Tynecastle, why does that mean he can’t be criticised for a mistake the week after? :confused:

It’s not a howler by any means, most of us probably won’t even think about it in a week or two, but he should do better imo.

[Bridge hibs]

He could have had the best performance ever seen at Tynecastle, why does that mean he can’t be criticised for a mistake the week after? :confused:

It’s not a howler by any means, most of us probably won’t even think about it in a week or two, but he should do better imo.Whats with the confused smiley pish ? Macey has proved he is a ready replacement for Marciano, seems there is still an element on here who will blame him for goals against, kicking or mistakes. How was he at fault for the first goal ?

[1875Hibees]

I cant believe some commentator said this about 50 years ago, and some people still parrot it like its some sort of fact.
Think about it. Its nonsense. No goalkeeper coach in the whole world would agree with you.
Funny that I grew up as a keeper and was told this by numerous goalkeeper coaches and its no coincidence its mentioned almost every time it does happen. Its pretty obvious when you look at it aswell. It shouldent really happen in the majority of cases.

[calumhibee1]

Whats with the confused smiley pish ? Macey has proved he is a ready replacement for Marciano, seems there is still an element on here who will blame him for goals against, kicking or mistakes. How was he at fault for the first goal ?

What’s with the aggressive posting all evening?

You’re better ignored in a mood like this if you’re just going to swan around aggressively replying to anyone that you don’t agree with.

[1875Hibees]

Whats with the confused smiley pish ? Macey has proved he is a ready replacement for Marciano, seems there is still an element on here who will blame him for goals against, kicking or mistakes. How was he at fault for the first goal ?
How can you not blame him for the first goal? Not a strong enough hand and at his near post. A good performance one week dosent mean he cant be criticised the next.

[hibsbollah]

Funny that I grew up as a keeper and was told this by numerous goalkeeper coaches and its no coincidence its mentioned almost every time it does happen. Its pretty obvious when you look at it aswell. It shouldent really happen in the majority of cases.

Total rubbish. I can only imagine you spent most of your time conceding goals at your far post then, because of your biased positioning. Its the oldest cliche in the book.

[RossScott1991]

Just one of those days.

Not really much more to say than that. Sloppy and never got going. It happens and in this league will happen more often.

[1875Hibees]

Total rubbish. I can only imagine you spent most of your time conceding goals at your far post then, because of your biased positioning. Its the oldest cliche in the book.
Its not rubbish at all. Its a cliche because its true. If your positioning is correct near post goals shouldent happen. Like I said, there's a reason its mentioned almost every time it happens. Because almost everyone knows it.

[Partyraiser]

Funny that I grew up as a keeper and was told this by numerous goalkeeper coaches and its no coincidence its mentioned almost every time it does happen. Its pretty obvious when you look at it aswell. It shouldent really happen in the majority of cases.

I agree, I played in goals at a pretty decent level and I'd have been scunnered to let that one in today

[CL0762]

Watching sportscene, so poor from Allan to just let the defender run off him for the equaliser. Doig not attacking the ball as the spare man disappointing too.

Also, should we have had a pen right before Brophy scored? Magennis almost had the shirt torn off his back.

[Bridge hibs]

What’s with the aggressive posting all evening?

You’re better ignored in a mood like this if you’re just going to swan around aggressively replying to anyone that you don’t agree with.Correct, apologies, I dont get out much, no ill will intended, have a good night mate, will just go back to reading rather than posting

Apologies people 👍

[calumhibee1]

Correct, apologies, I dont get out much, no ill will intended, have a good night mate, will just go back to reading rather than posting

Apologies people 👍

Not a problem mate. Crack on with posting, we’re all Hibs fans at the end of the day!

With regards to your question previously I felt he should have kept it out given how much of a hand he got to it. Like I said, not a howler at all and it’s probably one that if someone asks you for a list of Macey’s ‘mistakes’ at the end of the season I doubt many folk will even remember or mention it.

[hibsbollah]

I agree, I played in goals at a pretty decent level and I'd have been scunnered to let that one in today


Thats not what he said. He said a keeper should NEVER be beaten at his near post. You must know that is totally wrong, since you played at a decent level, and is in fact counterproductive advice. You position your body to make the best chance of making a save, if you favour your near post you leave a gap at your far post, its obvious.

[1875Hibees]

Thats not what he said. He said a keeper should NEVER be beaten at his near post. You must know that is totally wrong, since you played at a decent level, and is in fact counterproductive advice. You position your body to make the best chance of making a save, if you favour your near post you leave a gap at your far post, its obvious.
In my second post I did say in the majority of cases tbf. And you still said that is total rubbish.

[hibsbollah]

In my second post I did say in the majority of cases tbf. And you still said that is total rubbish.

Fairy nuff. You're entitled to your opinion, give this a read for an alternative view:agree:

https://goalkeepingmatters.com/2019/02/13/never-be-beaten-at-your-near-post/

[1875Hibees]

Fairy nuff. You're entitled to your opinion, give this a read for an alternative view:agree:

https://goalkeepingmatters.com/2019/02/13/never-be-beaten-at-your-near-post/
I'm sure there are different views but its the one I and most keepers are taught when playing. Its all about positioning. But as you said you are entitled to your opinion aswell of course.

[Bridge hibs]

Not a problem mate. Crack on with posting, we’re all Hibs fans at the end of the day!

With regards to your question previously I felt he should have kept it out given how much of a hand he got to it. Like I said, not a howler at all and it’s probably one that if someone asks you for a list of Macey’s ‘mistakes’ at the end of the season I doubt many folk will even remember or mention it.No issues mate, I was actually a prominent poster when this site was just a baby, life took over for many years. Im no stranger to debate and could threads and could pull posters back into line. Things have changed massively, there seems to be an Im bigger than you element now, repetiveness and posturing, not much of that back in the day

Thats life, forums change

Mon Macey 🤣👍

[calumhibee1]

No issues mate, I was actually a prominent poster when this site was just a baby, life took over. Im no stranger to debate and could threads and posters back into line. Things have changed massively, there seems to be an Im bigger than you element now, repetiveness and posturing, not much of that back in the day

Thats life, forums change

Mon Macey 🤣👍

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[B.H.F.C]

You blamed Macey, Im not blaming Macey, he wasnt at fault, he got his fingertips to it but Porteous should have done better. As per on here though its Macey is getting the raw deal

And I apologise for being sarcastic mate GGTTH 👍

Just seen it back and not changing my mind. Macey gets far more than fingertips to it and getting there I think he needs to save it. The ever reliable Sportscene pundits and commentator in agreement.

[Smartie]

Re the first goal - my initial reaction was that when a ball was lumped from midway inside their half, their striker had an awful lot to do to get into a position to get a shot away that would threaten our goal.

Whilst the goalkeeper might have done better, it wasn’t one from 35 yards or a wee trickler that he could throw his cap on.

Basically - I think the goal is much more on Porteous than the goalkeeper and Porteous had a bit of a nerve glaring the goalkeeper for it, even if he might have done better.

I need to see it back again though.

[calumhibee1]

Re the first goal - my initial reaction was that when a ball was lumped from midway inside their half, their striker had an awful lot to do to get into a position to get a shot away that would threaten our goal.

Whilst the goalkeeper might have done better, it wasn’t one from 35 yards or a wee trickler that he could throw his cap on.

Basically - I think the goal is much more on Porteous than the goalkeeper and Porteous had a bit of a nerve glaring the goalkeeper for it, even if he might have done better.

I need to see it back again though.

I’d agree. Porteous should have done a hell of a lot better.

[wookie70]

Re the first goal - my initial reaction was that when a ball was lumped from midway inside their half, their striker had an awful lot to do to get into a position to get a shot away that would threaten our goal.

Whilst the goalkeeper might have done better, it wasn’t one from 35 yards or a wee trickler that he could throw his cap on.

Basically - I think the goal is much more on Porteous than the goalkeeper and Porteous had a bit of a nerve glaring the goalkeeper for it, even if he might have done better.

I need to see it back again though.

I haven't seen it back either but that was my view from the opposite end of the West to where they scored. Porteous just let him waltz into a shooting position. Macey should save it too imo. There was some very poor defending today with Doig having some poor moments too. He has a tendency to let players drive inside and give too much space for a shot too

[jacomo]

It's the difference in expectation. We're the third placed team from last season. Expected to win and go top. They are the newly promoted pretenders. Every point keeping them in the top six is a bonus. Take it as a compliment.


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[heretoday]

If you look at his record, Macey hasn't actually played that many first-class games! So he's still learning his trade. I'd persevere with him.

[Ronniekirk]

I’d agree. Porteous should have done a hell of a lot better.

Brophy was allowed to come onto his preferred foot to easily and having allowed him to do that Porto didn’t really make much of an attempt to try and block the shot Far to easy for Brophy



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[He's here!]

I cant believe some commentator said this about 50 years ago, and some people still parrot it like its some sort of fact.
Think about it. Its nonsense. No goalkeeper coach in the whole world would agree with you.

I didn't see the goals until last night. I'd assumed from the chat about Macey being 'beaten at his near post' that the goal had come from a tight angle whereby the scorer's only realistic option was to try and squeeze the ball home. The reality is that he was in a position where he had pretty much the whole goal to aim at and Mathie had to position himself accordingly. The concept of 'near post' was all but redundant in this instance. It was a good, solid strike and I don't think it comes even close to being categorised as a goalkeeping blunder.

When the angle is so narrow that trying to score at the near post is the only viable option then I'd agree a keeper would be disappointed to let the ball past him, but as you say it's hardly as though it's never happened.

The Hibs keeper I do recall being terrible at covering his angles was Malkowski. In fact that whole run of keepers from Zibi and Brown to Ma-Kalambay were scary in their capacity for blunders.