Matt Macey

[BlackSheep]

I’m not entirely convinced by Macey yet… seen glimpses of good goalkeeping but for 6’ 7” player he should be going for a lot more in our box…. For McGowan to score from 5/6 yards today from a header… Macey should be attacking that and winning it!

I’d like to see Ross give Dabrowski a run and see how he gets on… watching him against Arsenal in pre season you can see and hear he is much more confident than Macey.

[Northernhibee]

If he sorts out his kicking he’s every bit as good as Bogdan or Marciano, some great saves.

[Borderhibbie76]

I dont understand how anyone can criticise Macey today he saved us first half...let down again by his defenders at cross balls IMHO

[Key West]

Hibs are an attacking team he'll have to make a lot of saves this season, I think he's fine, just cast your mind back to Simon Brown, Zibby and Makalamby before ye get too critical.

[BlackSheep]

I’m not criticising his shot stopping, but for a lad of his height we shouldn’t be losing as many goals from crosses.

There was an occasion last week against Killie that I felt he should have come out to close the Killie attacker down… he made the save anyway but his choices look like a lack of confidence to me.

[J-C]

Decent shot stopper but can't kick and can't command his area, not convinced yet.

[Shrekko]

I’m not entirely convinced by Macey yet… seen glimpses of good goalkeeping but for 6’ 7” player he should be going for a lot more in our box…. For McGowan to score from 5/6 yards today from a header… Macey should be attacking that and winning it!

I’d like to see Ross give Dabrowski a run and see how he gets on… watching him against Arsenal in pre season you can see and hear he is much more confident than Macey.

The guy makes 2 great stops today and you start a thread suggesting we drop him? Blaming him for the 2nd goal is some going!

Our last goalie tended to stay on his line at crosses and that was generally considered to be fine. Are you sure you’re not looking for stuff that isn’t there ?

When Macey makes a proper clanger … as all goalies do, this place will be in meltdown.

[BoomtownHibees]

I’m not criticising his shot stopping, but for a lad of his height we shouldn’t be losing as many goals from crosses.

There was an occasion last week against Killie that I felt he should have come out to close the Killie attacker down… he made the save anyway but his choices look like a lack of confidence to me.

So even when he makes a save it’s no good enough? You would generally think a goalie of his size could do better at goals from crosses however I don’t think there have been many, if any, where I’ve thought he should have done better

[Pretty Boy]

I'm probably less convinced by him now than I was a few weeks ago. No real mistakes but I just think there is a nervousness there with him. Is the fact we have suddenly started conceding a lot from balls into the box a total coincidence?

It wouldn't surprise me one bit if we have a new number 1 by this time next season.

[Bangkok Hibby]

Decent shot stopper but can't kick and can't command his area, not convinced yet.

Same as Rocky then?

[truehibernian]

His save from Adam was superb- couple of other good stops too. Good keeper.

[Borderhibbie76]

Amazing Macey is getting criticism about cross balls yet our last keeper never came out for crosses hardly ever and is rightly recognised as being a great keeper for us...some fans just seem desperate for Macey to fail...its quite sad tbh as he's done very little wrong for us so far and had a great couple of saves today

[McD]

His save from Adam was superb- couple of other good stops too. Good keeper.


that was a terrific save, also had another down low to his right in the first half that was excellent

[J-C]

Same as Rocky then?


Should be but there's something about Macey that just doesn't give me confidence, can't quite put my finger on it.

[Inconsequential]

Decent shot stopper but can't kick and can't command his area, not convinced yet. Perfect description of Marciano! His kicking was poor, stayed rooted to his line, didn't command his area either.

[Bangkok Hibby]

Should be but there's something about Macey that just doesn't give me confidence, can't quite put my finger on it.

Yes I understand you because I was exactly the same with Marciano. Hopefully he becomes a Hibs legend 👍🏻

[Allant1981]

Not a chance he could have came for the cross that caused the goal today, macey is the least of our defensive concerns

[J-C]

Perfect description! Of Marciano whose kicking was poor, stayed rooted to his line, didn't command his area either.


I liked Rocky but there was always the fear he'd flap at a cross or kick it straight to the other team, Macey is the same, decent enough keeper but if his all round game was better, he'd not be at Hibs.

[Shrekko]

Should be but there's something about Macey that just doesn't give me confidence, can't quite put my finger on it.

Kind of says it all …. you don’t actually know what it is.

Did Marciano give you confidence?

[Borderhibbie76]

When he does make a mistake that costs us a goal some on here will go into meltdown...everything he does is being micro examined it seems by some. As other posters have said the very least of our defensive concerns just now

[J-C]

Kind of says it all …. you don’t actually know what it is.

Did Marciano give you confidence?


Not all the time, as I explained in my other post, Rocky always had that bit of madness in him, either a flap at a cross or a daft kick out. Good keepers for our level, if they had the all round game, they wouldn't be here.

[bingo70]

I thought he was fine today. Can think of one really good save and wouldn’t blame him for either of the goals.

I’ve disagreed with people about him in the past but I’m really warming to him.

Surprised to see this thread.

[BlackSheep]

I'm probably less convinced by him now than I was a few weeks ago. No real mistakes but I just think there is a nervousness there with him. Is the fact we have suddenly started conceding a lot from balls into the box a total coincidence?

Exactly this, a nervy goalkeeper makes a nervy defence.

I’m just saying if he showed more confidence and commanded his box better then I’d feel a lot better about him…

Plus I wouldn’t BLAME him for the goal, but he makes no attempt to come out for balls into the box like that… even if he attempted that today it could be enough to put McGowan off.

[J-C]

I thought he was fine today. Can think of one really good save and wouldn’t blame him for either of the goals.

I’ve disagreed with people about him in the past but I’m really warming to him.

Surprised to see this thread.

No blame at all for either goal, defending was the problem for both goals.

[McD]

No blame at all for either goal, defending was the problem for both goals.


:agree:

[Shrekko]

Not all the time, as I explained in my other post, Rocky always had that bit of madness in him, either a flap at a cross or a daft kick out. Good keepers for our level, if they had the all round game, they wouldn't be here.

Fair enough and thats where I am too to be fair - I don’t expect perfection. If a player has more good than bad I’m ok with that. Macey has been good so far. Just feel people are being more picky than they were with Rocky who was also good … but not perfect.

[BlackSheep]

Kind of says it all …. you don’t actually know what it is.

Did Marciano give you confidence?

Certainly not with crosses or kicking.

I think Macey’s kicking is a vast improvement over Rocky, and I also feel Macey is going to show us his shot stopping and all round goalkeeping is better too… just not in the air! Which to me is a very important part of goalkeeping!

Dabrowski needs a chance, maybe give Macey the kick up the bum he might need.

[BlackSheep]

Fair enough and thats where I am too to be fair - I don’t expect perfection. If a player has more good than bad I’m ok with that. Macey has been good so far. Just feel people are being more picky than they were with Rocky who was also good … but not perfect.

If you mean me with the pickyness, I was just as critical of Ricky in his shortcomings… I just feel our goalkeeping coach needs to work with him on the high balls with players challenging him.

[gbhibby]

Decent shot stopper but can't kick and can't command his area, not convinced yet.
Sounds like you are talking about Rocky. It seems to be a trend with goalkeepers that you leave it to your defence to sort out. You have to pay huge money for a sweeper keeper.

[Shrekko]

Not all the time, as I explained in my other post, Rocky always had that bit of madness in him, either a flap at a cross or a daft kick out. Good keepers for our level, if they had the all round game, they wouldn't be here.

Fair enough and thats where I am too to be fair - I don’t expect perfection. If a player has more good than bad I’m ok with that. Macey has been good so far. Just feel people are being more picky than they were with Rocky who was also good … but not perfect.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Not sure that there is a keeper out there who can stop the ball from being repeatedly crossed into the box, which is our first weakness.

[Bostonhibby]

Good keeper, performed well enough every time I've seen him, dont see what he could have done for their goals today. Hes nowhere near our biggest defensive priority.

Sent from my SM-A750FN using Tapatalk

[RyeSloan]

Didn’t see the first 30 minutes but what I did see I don’t think I saw a single thing wrong with Macey’s kicking!

In fact he pinged a beauty out to Doig halfway through the second half that lead to Scott’s chance just before the goal.

Rocky frequently ‘did a Leighton’ and put his goal kicks straight out of play..I see none of that in Macey.

People looking for something that’s not there if you ask me…

[JimBHibees]

Didn’t see the first 30 minutes but what I did see I don’t think I saw a single thing wrong with Macey’s kicking!

In fact he pinged a beauty out to Doig halfway through the second half that lead to Scott’s chance just before the goal.

Rocky frequently ‘did a Leighton’ and put his goal kicks straight out of play..I see none of that in Macey.

People looking for something that’s not there if you ask me…

Got to be said he did have 3 or 4 poor kicks.

[RyeSloan]

Got to be said he did have 3 or 4 poor kicks.

Fair enough. As I said I missed the first half hour but really wasn’t aware of any after that but if he did then he did [emoji2957][emoji106]

[easty]

I’m not going to slate Macey as he doesn’t deserve that at all, he’s doing fine.

I don’t have much confidence in him though, and I think anyone claiming he’s at Rocky or Bogdan level is kidding themselves.

[JohnM1875]

The big man looks class. Can't kick though, but looks a great shot stopper.

[Shrekko]

I’m not going to slate Macey as he doesn’t deserve that at all, he’s doing fine.

I don’t have much confidence in him though, and I think anyone claiming he’s at Rocky or Bogdan level is kidding themselves.

I’ll keep kidding myself till my eyes tell me differently - which they may or may not.

He’s off to a better start than Bogdan and I’m happy he compares well to Rocky at this point.

As you said - he’s done nothing significantly wrong apart from not gaming the trust of a few Hibs fans for no obvious reason.

[Borderhibbie76]

I’ll keep kidding myself till my eyes tell me differently - which they may or may not.

He’s off to a better start than Bogdan and I’m happy he compares well to Rocky at this point.

As you said - he’s done nothing significantly wrong apart from not gaming the trust of a few Hibs fans for no obvious reason.

Spot on ...and some seem to be blaming him for goals that nobody would have batted an eye at if it was Rocky in goals....as I've said the least of our worries at the back just now when we have full backs that can't stop crosses at source and centre halves who can't defend cross balls

[easty]

Spot on ...and some seem to be blaming him for goals that nobody would have batted an eye at if it was Rocky in goals....as I've said the least of our worries at the back just now when we have full backs that can't stop crosses at source and centre halves who can't defend cross balls

That’s clearly not true. Rocky got blamed for loads of goals.

[Shrekko]

That’s clearly not true. Rocky got blamed for loads of goals.

Very much doubt Rocky would have received any criticism if he’d lost those goals today - and really it’s ridiculous Macey is. Absolutely terrible defending from several of the team for both but in no way goalkeeping errors.

[easty]

Very much doubt Rocky would have received any criticism if he’d lost those goals today - and really it’s ridiculous Macey is. Absolutely terrible defending from several of the team for both but in no way goalkeeping errors.

I think he would, and I think he did receive criticism multiple times for not coming off his line.

I’d blame others for the goal, but it’s not beyond questioning whether the keeper could’ve come, he’s a big guy.

[JohnM1875]

Wait, are folk blaming him for the goals today?! There's a lot that's gone wrong before either chance comes to Macey.

He kept us in the game at times. We have bigger issues than Macey.

[seanshow]

Its not a criticism but after perhaps the first game, he could have realised cleary my defenders can't deal with crosses,
"So I'll take initiative and start talking crosses within 10 yards"
a brave move but now he would be hailed as magnificent :greengrin

[Peevemor]

Macey's different from Rocky in that he makes very good saves look very unspectacular.

As for him not coming for crosses, that has to be an instruction from the management.

I understand that that can be part of the modern game, but our defence are being caught out too often.

[nlandsafchibee]

Its not a criticism but after perhaps the first game, he could have realised cleary my defenders can't deal with crosses,
"So I'll take initiative and start talking crosses within 10 yards"
a brave move but now he would be hailed as magnificent :greengrin
I quite agree .With his size I cannot believe any coach would not encourage him to command crosses . With the second goal of theirs I think that if he had shouted keepers and went for the cross then I am pretty sure that their player would not have fanced being clattered and curtailed his run .As it was the longer the ball was in the air and no presence by Gogic he ( and one of their smaller players ) in effect had a free header from 6yds .
I am a Macey fan and the 3 excellent saves in first half kept us in game .He can improve and one would hope that the goalkeeping coach does that.

[Inconsequential]

Macey's different from Rocky in that he makes very good saves look very unspectacular.

As for him not coming for crosses, that has to be an instruction from the management.

I understand that that can be part of the modern game, but our defence are being caught out too often. Yes that's exactly my thoughts too.

Yes that's exactly my thoughts too.

Yes that's exactly more thoughts too.

3 out of 3!

The defence hasn't built an understanding with Macey as of yet imo. This will take a wee while to establish I think. At the moment the defence is a bit shaky not helped by injuries and one or two are off form. Hopefully the manager will act and do what is required.

[hibbysam]

I was half blaming him for the second goal until I seen a replay. It’s not as simple as saying ‘goal from 8 yards out he should be taking it’ - it’s a flat in swinger, no time to judge it and so easy to make a mistake. Gogic makes an arse of it, that’s the long and short of it.

[Mikey_1875]

I thought this would have been a thread praising him! Played well today and seems a decent replacement for Rocky imo. His distribution needs a bit of work and he does cut a fine line in kicking the ball away when being closed down, but I think my nerves can handle it :greengrin

[blackpoolhibs]

I was half blaming him for the second goal until I seen a replay. It’s not as simple as saying ‘goal from 8 yards out he should be taking it’ - it’s a flat in swinger, no time to judge it and so easy to make a mistake. Gogic makes an arse of it, that’s the long and short of it.

Me too, at the time I thought he could have done better, but watching it again its not his fault.

[hibsbollah]

I’m actually baffled by what some people are watching.

Probably our man of the man today. Gained us a point.

[SMAXXA]

Exactly this, a nervy goalkeeper makes a nervy defence.

I’m just saying if he showed more confidence and commanded his box better then I’d feel a lot better about him…

Plus I wouldn’t BLAME him for the goal, but he makes no attempt to come out for balls into the box like that… even if he attempted that today it could be enough to put McGowan off.

Is this now going to become some fact that he’s nervy cause from what I can see he’s a very confident laddie no nervous driving me and I’ve seen him come collect plenty crossed since he came in something his predecessor didn’t do at all.

[SMAXXA]

I’m actually baffled by what some people are watching.

Probably our man of the man today. Gained us a point.

That makes 2 of us honestly folk don’t know what they have until we replace with some huddy

[SHODAN]

Fine with him so far.

[hibbysam]

Is this now going to become some fact that he’s nervy cause from what I can see he’s a very confident laddie no nervous driving me and I’ve seen him come collect plenty crossed since he came in something his predecessor didn’t do at all.

His predecessor also collected crosses, so let’s not make things up for the sake of it. The two of them are similar in that, rightly, they’ll only come and take/punch when they are confident of completing it, otherwise they leave it up to our defence to do their basics.

[SMAXXA]

His predecessor also collected crosses, so let’s not make things up for the sake of it. The two of them are similar in that, rightly, they’ll only come and take/punch when they are confident of completing it, otherwise they leave it up to our defence to do their basics.

Who’s makings up its well covered that Marciano wouldn’t come for crosses and was to reluctant to come if his line

[CmoantheHibs]

It seems some people are not going to accept Macey for whatever reason. Can’t understand it myself. I think he has been great since he has come in. The reason we have been losing more goals from crosses is simple. We let crosses into our box too easily, we don’t track runners and we don’t defend the crosses properly. Quite how Macey can do anything about that I’m not sure. He was my man of the match today. Without him we would not have a point as the game would have been over by half time. I find it hard to fathom why we have a thread saying he should be replaced. Baffling :confused:

[my left peg]

He has been fine so far,He needs to improve on his kicking though.I think Mark Oxleys distribution and kicking were fantastic, but he couldn't keep the ball out of the net!....I know which I would prefer!

Sent from my SM-G390F using Tapatalk

[H18 SFR]

It seems some people are not going to accept Macey for whatever reason. Can’t understand it myself. I think he has been great since he has come in. The reason we have been losing more goals from crosses is simple. We let crosses into our box too easily, we don’t track runners and we don’t defend the crosses properly. Quite how Macey can do anything about that I’m not sure. He was my man of the match today. Without him we would not have a point as the game would have been over by half time. I find it hard to fathom why we have a thread saying he should be replaced. Baffling :confused:

I agree with the fact you find it baffling.

What baffles me even more is the folk calling for Dabrowski to play even though they openly admit they’ve never seen him play.

[Danderhall Hibs]

“Can’t quite put my finger on it” = I want to be the first on here to complain when he does make a mistake and claim I know all about goalkeeping.

[Irish_Steve]

So far I think Macey has been more than an adequate replacement for Rocky. He's made some decent saves (including a penalty in the Cup Final!) but I reckon if he had've come for the ball at McGowan's goal and McGowan still scored, you'd get the same people on here moaning, "why didn't he stay on his line"

He's doing fine

[BlackSheep]

So far I think Macey has been more than an adequate replacement for Rocky. He's made some decent saves (including a penalty in the Cup Final!) but I reckon if he had've come for the ball at McGowan's goal and McGowan still scored, you'd get the same people on here moaning, "why didn't he stay on his line"

He's doing fine

If he had come for the ball and messed it up then of course people would complain… but he would have needed to have missed the ball completely for that to happen, which I highly doubt would have been the case… if he had come it immediately changes the face of the chance. First it would be a distraction for McGowan and second even the slightest of touches takes it away from McGowan.

I’d rather have seen him make an attempt and McGowan still scored than for him to not have the confidence to even try!?

[Lancs Harp]

He made a couple of great stops today fro long range shots. His distribution was a bit wonky and needs to work on set pieces. He's decent though. Better than Rocky? Not for me but thats just my opinion.

[Irish_Steve]

I suppose it's easier to knock Macey for not coming for a ball resulting in a goal than crediting him for all the good he did do during the game, Dee could have been 3 up without his saves. I know which side of that fence I'm on

[LaMotta]

It seems some people are not going to accept Macey for whatever reason. Can’t understand it myself. I think he has been great since he has come in. The reason we have been losing more goals from crosses is simple. We let crosses into our box too easily, we don’t track runners and we don’t defend the crosses properly. Quite how Macey can do anything about that I’m not sure. He was my man of the match today. Without him we would not have a point as the game would have been over by half time. I find it hard to fathom why we have a thread saying he should be replaced. Baffling :confused:

:agree:

Its a Hibs.net myth that keepers need to be coming off their line constantly to clutch crosses from the sky and if they don't then that means they aren't "commanding their box".

Andy Goram rarely came off his line for crosses. Makalambay did it far more often. Coming for crosses means there is a greater chance of howlers. Really simple to stop the second goal today -if Gogic tracks runner and/or Doig is tucked in a bit more - this thread would't exist.

[hibbysam]

Who’s makings up its well covered that Marciano wouldn’t come for crosses and was to reluctant to come if his line

You said Marciano didn’t do it at all. He did. To say otherwise is making things up. Macey could come for more but it adds a huge amount of risk that I’d rather he didn’t take, same as Marciano. We should just win our headers and be done with it.

[loanheadhibby]

I’m not entirely convinced by Macey yet… seen glimpses of good goalkeeping but for 6’ 7” player he should be going for a lot more in our box…. For McGowan to score from 5/6 yards today from a header… Macey should be attacking that and winning it!

I’d like to see Ross give Dabrowski a run and see how he gets on… watching him against Arsenal in pre season you can see and hear he is much more confident than Macey.
Come on he wasn't to blame for the 2nd goal.

[easty]

:agree:

Its a Hibs.net myth that keepers need to be coming off their line constantly to clutch crosses from the sky and if they don't then that means they aren't "commanding their box".

Andy Goram rarely came off his line for crosses. Makalambay did it far more often. Coming for crosses means there is a greater chance of howlers. Really simple to stop the second goal today -if Gogic tracks runner and/or Doig is tucked in a bit more - this thread would't exist.

I don’t think anyone is saying he should come and take every ball that’s in the box every time. Nobody has said that.

If you’re saying keepers shouldn’t come for crosses cos they might drop one, then I couldn’t possibly disagree with you more.

Goram was an incredible keeper, he was short but he knew when to come and when not to (he shouldn’t in that skol cup semi final but I’ve nae complaints there!). I definitely have memories of him battering past players to catch or punch the ball away though.

[Smartie]

Macey is the least of our problems.

Really solid start to the season and some good saves today.

[LaMotta]

I don’t think anyone is saying he should come and take every ball that’s in the box every time. Nobody has said that.

If you’re saying keepers shouldn’t come for crosses cos they might drop one, then I couldn’t possibly disagree with you more.

Goram was an incredible keeper, he was short but he knew when to come and when not to (he shouldn’t in that skol cup semi final but I’ve nae complaints there!). I definitely have memories of him battering past players to catch or punch the ball away though.

I never said anyone has said that he should come and take every ball in the box.:confused:

But I have read countless times that Rocky "never commanded his box" because he didn't come for enough crosses. There was a game last season where someone was having a go at him for not collecting a cross that no keeper in the world would have got because they are not 12 feet tall. It was bonkers. Now we are getting the same about Macey after a game where that criticism isn't even remotely justified. It's one of these myths that can quickly grow arms and legs and then people start repeating it.

Goram had plenty of howlers in his early days by the way when he came careering off his line (youtube confirms this:greengrin). He learnt to stay on his line eventually for the most part - but I agree there is a balance to be struck. I think Rocky hit the balance fairly well. Too early to say on Macey, but I haven't seen much so far to suggest he should be coming out more.

So I don't think we are disagreeing too much be honest.

[Since90+2]

I think he's a steady enough keeper. He's probably just above average for the league we play in, a 6.5 or 7 out of 10, which is the same for the majority of our squad.

He's certainly way down the pecking order for potential changes.

[easty]

I never said anyone has said that he should come and take every ball in the box.:confused:

But I have read countless times that Rocky "never commanded his box" because he didn't come for enough crosses. There was a game last season where someone was having a go at him for not collecting a cross that no keeper in the world would have got because they are not 12 feet tall. It was bonkers. Now we are getting the same about Macey after a game where that criticism isn't even remotely justified. It's one of these myths that can quickly grow arms and legs and then people start repeating it.

Goram had plenty of howlers in his early days by the way when he came careering off his line (youtube confirms this:greengrin). He learnt to stay on his line eventually for the most part - but I agree there is a balance to be struck. I think Rocky hit the balance fairly well. Too early to say on Macey, but I haven't seen much so far to suggest he should be coming out more.

So I don't think we are disagreeing too much be honest.

Sorry, you’re right you didn’t say every time, you said constantly.

The difference with Macey is that he is 12ft tall. So you always think “could he have come for that?”, prob more than I wouldn’t thought when we had Rocky.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Just watched the Aberdeen highlights - Joe Lewis was commanding his box. Dropped it right on GMS’ foot.

[LaMotta]

Sorry, you’re right you didn’t say every time, you said constantly.

The difference with Macey is that he is 12ft tall. So you always think “could he have come for that?”, prob more than I wouldn’t thought when we had Rocky.


No he's not 12 ft tall so you probably shouldn't always think that :wink:. And he was completely blameless for the goals today and as others have said is not even close to being our biggest problem right now.:aok:

[Dalianwanda]

Maceys distribution was not the best but some of his saves were top drawer. If it wasnt for him we would have been two goals down. At the moment he's doing a decent enough job & hope he grows in confidence the more games played.

[LaMotta]

Just watched the Aberdeen highlights - Joe Lewis was commanding his box. Dropped it right on GMS’ foot.

:tee hee:

[SMAXXA]

Maceys distribution was not the best but some of his saves were top drawer. If it wasnt for him we would have been two goals down. At the moment he's doing a decent enough job & hope he grows in confidence the more games played.

Check out Craig Gordon for a top class keeper his distribution has always been the weakest part of his game. That’s not talked about much when he’s pulling of saves and winning points for his team. I’m not saying Macey is at his level btw just referencing the kicking point overall

[hibbysam]

Check out Craig Gordon for a top class keeper his distribution has always been the weakest part of his game. That’s not talked about much when he’s pulling of saves and winning points for his team. I’m not saying Macey is at his level btw just referencing the kicking point overall

Apart from Celtic he hasn’t really been at a club where it has been important. And even at Celtic teams drop so far off that he can just roll it to his centre halves.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Check out Craig Gordon for a top class keeper his distribution has always been the weakest part of his game. That’s not talked about much when he’s pulling of saves and winning points for his team. I’m not saying Macey is at his level btw just referencing the kicking point overall

Craig Gordon’s a great goalie but a terrible football player.

[BS44]

:agree:

Its a Hibs.net myth that keepers need to be coming off their line constantly to clutch crosses from the sky and if they don't then that means they aren't "commanding their box".

Andy Goram rarely came off his line for crosses. Makalambay did it far more often. Coming for crosses means there is a greater chance of howlers. Really simple to stop the second goal today -if Gogic tracks runner and/or Doig is tucked in a bit more - this thread would't exist.

It's a complete myth that Goram while at Hibs didn't come out for crosses, it was exact opposite. All round fantastic goalkeeper with us.

When his knees went later in his career that's when he became pretty much a goal line keeper

[Pretty Boy]

There have been many good keepers who haven't come for crosses often. The most obvious example I can think off in recent times would be Shay Given. He was a fantastic keeper though.

The biggest consideration is do the defenders know what the keeper is going to do? Someone like Nick Pope at Burnley comes for a lot of crosses and claims a higher percentage of them than any other keeper in the EPL. That's good for defenders. Someone like the aforementioned Given hardly came for any. Also good for defenders from a decision making perspective. What you don't want is someone erratic who comes for some, doesn't come for others and doesn't get there a lot when he does come.

I don't think Macey could have come for that today. Obviously he could have come for it so maybe I mean I don't think he should have come for it. Had Gogic tracked his man then we might not be talking about it at all. It's maybe just a case of that understanding not quite being there yet of what the defenders and keepers each think the other is doing.

I'll be totally honest I'm not sure about Macey at all but it's not based on either of the goals we conceded today.

[CmoantheHibs]

There have been many good keepers who haven't come for crosses often. The most obvious example I can think off in recent times would be Shay Given. He was a fantastic keeper though.

The biggest consideration is do the defenders know what the keeper is going to do? Someone like Nick Pope at Burnley comes for a lot of crosses and claims a higher percentage of them than any other keeper in the EPL. That's good for defenders. Someone like the aforementioned Given hardly came for any. Also good for defenders from a decision making perspective. What you don't want is someone erratic who comes for some, doesn't come for others and doesn't get there a lot when he does come.

I don't think Macey could have come for that today. Obviously he could have come for it so maybe I mean I don't think he should have come for it. Had Gogic tracked his man then we might not be talking about it at all. It's maybe just a case of that understanding not quite being there yet of what the defenders and keepers each think the other is doing.

I'll be totally honest I'm not sure about Macey at all but it's not based on either of the goals we conceded today.
Out of curiosity what is it based on?

[Pretty Boy]

Out of curiosity what is it based on?

A hunch. Probably a misplaced one and there is every chance I'm wrong.

Bizarrely I was all in on him a few weeks back but less so now just as everyone else seems to be won around. Maybe I'm just a contrary sort.

[LaMotta]

It's a complete myth that Goram while at Hibs didn't come out for crosses, it was exact opposite. All round fantastic goalkeeper with us.

When his knees went later in his career that's when he became pretty much a goal line keeper

Goram was absolutely class for Hibs, but he could def be suspect on crosses or lofted balls into the box. Enough evidence of that from Hibs Hearts derby vids on youtube.

He learnt to stay on his line more often well before his knees went though at Ibrox - Richard Gough talks about Goram's first season at Ibrox where he came for far too many crosses and Gough pulled him aside told him to stay put. Goram was 26 at the time. He became a better keeper when he didn't come for as many balls and there is no doubt his best days were at Ibrox.

[hibsbollah]

A hunch. Probably a misplaced one and there is every chance I'm wrong.

Bizarrely I was all in on him a few weeks back but less so now just as everyone else seems to be won around. Maybe I'm just a contrary sort.

It’s because he looks like Dominic Rabb, you need to admit it to yourself.

[Andy74]

There have been many good keepers who haven't come for crosses often. The most obvious example I can think off in recent times would be Shay Given. He was a fantastic keeper though.

The biggest consideration is do the defenders know what the keeper is going to do? Someone like Nick Pope at Burnley comes for a lot of crosses and claims a higher percentage of them than any other keeper in the EPL. That's good for defenders. Someone like the aforementioned Given hardly came for any. Also good for defenders from a decision making perspective. What you don't want is someone erratic who comes for some, doesn't come for others and doesn't get there a lot when he does come.

I don't think Macey could have come for that today. Obviously he could have come for it so maybe I mean I don't think he should have come for it. Had Gogic tracked his man then we might not be talking about it at all. It's maybe just a case of that understanding not quite being there yet of what the defenders and keepers each think the other is doing.

I'll be totally honest I'm not sure about Macey at all but it's not based on either of the goals we conceded today.

I think when keepers stay on the line they need to be saving more of the resulting headers or shots. With Macey he doesn’t come for those type of crosses and then he also isn’t saving a lot of the resulting headers.

He’s a very good shot stopper but in the games this year and the cup games last year there is a pattern of losing goals of the type we didn’t lose when he wasn’t in the team.

There aren’t really outright mistakes but we are having far more discussions about a goalkeeper than we’ve had for the last 4 years.

I think Marciano was all round a better keeper than perhaps many really appreciated which I think is more the point rather than Macey not being good. We just haven’t replaced at the same level.

[CmoantheHibs]

A hunch. Probably a misplaced one and there is every chance I'm wrong.

Bizarrely I was all in on him a few weeks back but less so now just as everyone else seems to be won around. Maybe I'm just a contrary sort.
Judging by this thread after his man of the match performance (well in Johnnyboy and my eyes anyway:greengrin) it doesn’t seem as though everyone else is won around. Better get back to the all in if you want to be contrary :wink:

[LaMotta]

I think Marciano was all round a better keeper than perhaps many really appreciated....

100% agree with that.

[Shrekko]

I think when keepers stay on the line they need to be saving more of the resulting headers or shots. With Macey he doesn’t come for those type of crosses and then he also isn’t saving a lot of the resulting headers.

He’s a very good shot stopper but in the games this year and the cup games last year there is a pattern of losing goals of the type we didn’t lose when he wasn’t in the team.

There aren’t really outright mistakes but we are having far more discussions about a goalkeeper than we’ve had for the last 4 years.

I think Marciano was all round a better keeper than perhaps many really appreciated which I think is more the point rather than Macey not being good. We just haven’t replaced at the same level.

We’re only having more discussions about a goalie than we did for 4 years because most people are flummoxed as to why the guy is getting stick when he’s done nothing wrong.

I don’t think Marciano is anything like as good as you and some others think which is probably the problem.

You seem to forget that Marciano was actually dropped twice during his time at Hibs and there was plenty you’d question if he was under the same level of scrutiny as Macey seems to be.

Again you state as if it’s fact that we’ve not replaced at the same level - all that is is your opinion. I believe most people would say you’d probably need to wait a bit longer to judge?

The truth is some people have decided they’re not going to be satisfied with him. We have people admitting on this thread that they’re “not quite sure” what it is they don’t like - that speaks volumes.

To reiterate what many are saying - he is nowhere near being a problem.

[angus hibby]

Macey has had an excellent start to his Hibs career, don’t recall him making a mistake which has cost us a goal. One brilliant save today, and so far, is proving to be a good replacement for Marciano.

We are unbeaten domestically, top of the league, yet some want Dabrowski in ‘to see what we can do’?

Stuff that, Dabrowski will get his chance if and when Macey deserves to be dropped.

[Andy74]

We’re only having more discussions about a goalie than we did for 4 years because most people are flummoxed as to why the guy is getting stick when he’s done nothing wrong.

I don’t think Marciano is anything like as good as you and some others think which is probably the problem.

You seem to forget that Marciano was actually dropped twice during his time at Hibs and there was plenty you’d question if he was under the same level of scrutiny as Macey seems to be.

Again you state as if it’s fact that we’ve not replaced at the same level - all that is is your opinion. I believe most people would say you’d probably need to wait a bit longer to judge?

The truth is some people have decided they’re not going to be satisfied with him. We have people admitting on this thread that they’re “not quite sure” what it is they don’t like - that speaks volumes.

To reiterate what many are saying - he is nowhere near being a problem.

People are just judging on what they are seeing. Why would anyone have another reason to decide they aren’t satisfied?

Goalkeeper is a position where the guy either provides you with confidence when you watch him or not. There are a number of people who are saying every week that he isn’t providing them with confidence and it is a difficult thing to pin down to one thing.

He’s had a few fumbles, a lot of kicking straight out the park, we are losing goals from crosses on a regular basis so saying he has done nothing at all wrong is not very helpful. Most weeks there’s been 2 or 3 things that have not been great. That’s not something we’ve had recently with keepers.

[O'Rourke3]

I remember Jim Leighton stating he was told by Willie Millar when he came into the first team. Anything in the 6 yards box is yours, anything else stay the f### out of our way.

Sent from my SM-T580 using Tapatalk

[Shrekko]

He’s had a few fumbles, a lot of kicking straight out the park, we are losing goals from crosses on a regular basis so saying he has done nothing at all wrong is not very helpful. Most weeks there’s been 2 or 3 things that have not been great. That’s not something we’ve had recently with keepers.

Think I’m right in saying it’s fairly unusual for you not to be supportive of our players. That being the case it makes your take on him even more bizarre. The level of pickiness is actually off the scale. I haven’t heard a neutral pundit or commentator question him like that on the goals lost. Boyd was quite quick to ask if Dundee’s goalie might have saved our 2nd goal though.

Rocky gave me the heeby jeebys despite him generally doing pretty well- I know others who felt exactly the same. Plenty flaps, misjudgements, being beat at the near post, poor distribution, being caught in possession etc but as I say - generally pretty good.

I would say though that if Rocky had lost any of the goals we’d lost this season in the same manner I would 100 percent not be blaming him. Those crosses have been for defenders to deal with all day long. Defending has been pathetic. If you think Rocky would somehow have dealt with them differently we were watching a different keeper for 4 years.

The fact we chopped and changed goalies quite a lot during Rocky’s stay here suggests things weren’t always perfect. You are seeing what you want to see- you’re picking up Macey on everything whilst basically saying Marciano was fairly flawless. I’ll repeat- Macey has done nothing wrong … at least nothing serious.

[Andy74]

Think I’m right in saying it’s fairly unusual for you not to be supportive of our players. That being the case it makes your take on him even more bizarre. The level of pickiness is actually off the scale. I haven’t heard a neutral pundit or commentator question him like that on the goals lost. Boyd was quite quick to ask if Dundee’s goalie might have saved our 2nd goal though.

Rocky gave me the heeby jeebys despite him generally doing pretty well- I know others who felt exactly the same. Plenty flaps, misjudgements, being beat at the near post, poor distribution, being caught in possession etc but as I say - generally pretty good.

I would say though that if Rocky had lost any of the goals we’d lost this season in the same manner I would 100 percent not be blaming him. Those crosses have been for defenders to deal with all day long. Defending has been pathetic. If you think Rocky would somehow have dealt with them differently we were watching a different keeper for 4 years.

The fact we chopped and changed goalies quite a lot during Rocky’s stay here suggests things weren’t always perfect. You are seeing what you want to see- you’re picking up Macey on everything whilst basically saying Marciano was fairly flawless. I’ll repeat- Macey has done nothing wrong … at least nothing serious.

Marciano wasn’t flawless but he limited his mistakes over his time here.

If Marciano gave people the fear in any way then I’d find it bizarre that Macey doesn’t.

[Andy74]

Think I’m right in saying it’s fairly unusual for you not to be supportive of our players. That being the case it makes your take on him even more bizarre. The level of pickiness is actually off the scale. I haven’t heard a neutral pundit or commentator question him like that on the goals lost. Boyd was quite quick to ask if Dundee’s goalie might have saved our 2nd goal though.

Rocky gave me the heeby jeebys despite him generally doing pretty well- I know others who felt exactly the same. Plenty flaps, misjudgements, being beat at the near post, poor distribution, being caught in possession etc but as I say - generally pretty good.

I would say though that if Rocky had lost any of the goals we’d lost this season in the same manner I would 100 percent not be blaming him. Those crosses have been for defenders to deal with all day long. Defending has been pathetic. If you think Rocky would somehow have dealt with them differently we were watching a different keeper for 4 years.

The fact we chopped and changed goalies quite a lot during Rocky’s stay here suggests things weren’t always perfect. You are seeing what you want to see- you’re picking up Macey on everything whilst basically saying Marciano was fairly flawless. I’ll repeat- Macey has done nothing wrong … at least nothing serious.

Marciano wasn’t flawless but he limited his mistakes over his time here.

If Marciano gave people the fear in any way then I’d find it bizarre that Macey doesn’t.

Yes I am generally supportive of players and I’m not on here starting threads about him but I’m not as comforted with him as others are. He looks to me like he is a very good shot stopper but I think he is very suspect in most of the rest of his game.

Not sure it should be too controversial that we try and replace a very consistent international standard player with the very best we can get. I don’t see Macey as that unfortunately.

[SMAXXA]

Marciano wasn’t flawless but he limited his mistakes over his time here.

If Marciano gave people the fear in any way then I’d find it bizarre that Macey doesn’t.

Yes I am generally supportive of players and I’m not on here starting threads about him but I’m not as comforted with him as others are. He looks to me like he is a very good shot stopper but I think he is very suspect in most of the rest of his game.

Not sure it should be too controversial that we try and replace a very consistent international standard player with the very best we can get. I don’t see Macey as that unfortunately.

Suspect in things like 1:1s you mean? I’ve seen him come and take crosses, kicking hasn’t been great at times and he’s been a good shot stopper. 1:1 he’s pulled of some massive saves against Motherwell and Killi at important time in he games aswell. So not really sure what other elements he’s suspect in?

[Shrekko]

Marciano wasn’t flawless but he limited his mistakes over his time here.

If Marciano gave people the fear in any way then I’d find it bizarre that Macey doesn’t.

Yes I am generally supportive of players and I’m not on here starting threads about him but I’m not as comforted with him as others are. He looks to me like he is a very good shot stopper but I think he is very suspect in most of the rest of his game.

Not sure it should be too controversial that we try and replace a very consistent international standard player with the very best we can get. I don’t see Macey as that unfortunately.

What I find bizarre is that you don’t even appear willing to give him a chance.

We can agree to differ and to be honest if you are classing him as “VERY suspect” in everything bar shot stopping (based on nothing btw) it is clear that your mind is made up and it’s staying that way.

You keep saying how consistent and almost flawless Marciano was but keep avoiding the fact that he was dropped at least twice during his time here. That doesn’t seem like we had the worry free goalkeeping you saw.

I really worry how bad it’ll be on here when Macey does make a clanger (like casually passing the ball straight to a Rangers player for an open goal).

[Smartie]

Suspect in things like 1:1s you mean? I’ve seen him come and take crosses, kicking hasn’t been great at times and he’s been a good shot stopper. 1:1 he’s pulled of some massive saves against Motherwell and Killi at important time in he games aswell. So not really sure what other elements he’s suspect in?

He's made a few handling errors, little fumbles, that so far haven't been punished.

The minute one of those is punished, there will be meltdown.

So far I'm happy with him, as I was with Marciano. He's not perfect, similar kicking issues to Marciano, but I've been impressed with his shot-stopping so far.

I don't think any of the issues we've had with losing more goals has been due to Macey.

[007]

Suspect in things like 1:1s you mean? I’ve seen him come and take crosses, kicking hasn’t been great at times and he’s been a good shot stopper. 1:1 he’s pulled of some massive saves against Motherwell and Killi at important time in he games aswell. So not really sure what other elements he’s suspect in?

Can't actually remember him being beaten yet in a 1 on 1. He maybe has but I just can't remember it. Definitely remember him saving several though, not just v Motherwell and Killie.

[Borderhibbie76]

It seems the ones being critical of Macey have pretty much nothing to back it up with other than hunches or a bit of rose tinted specs looking back on Rocky and his time with us- incredible we have such a long thread yet hardly anything about the real issues causing our goals against, full backs that can't stop crosses at source and centre halves who appear incapable of tracking runners into our box and winning headers

[Since452]

I feel just as comfortable, if not more comfortable with Macey in goals than Marciano. No issues for me.

We seem to be good at ripping into our own these days. Macey, McGinn, Gogig, Ross. Bizzare.

[Key West]

It seems the ones being critical of Macey have pretty much nothing to back it up with other than hunches or a bit of rose tinted specs looking back on Rocky and his time with us- incredible we have such a long thread yet hardly anything about the real issues causing our goals against, full backs that can't stop crosses at source and centre halves who appear incapable of tracking runners into our box and winning headers

:top marks

[Phil MaGlass]

My only problem with him is his brutal kickout/clearances, his goalkeeping as we seen yesterday was excellent.

[Heisenberg]

I think he’s been fine so far. No glaring mistakes that I can remember and a good number of decent saves.

Our issues come from the defence failing to do their jobs and some midfielders also failing to help and pick up their defensive duties properly. Gogic and Newell both responsible in recent weeks, McGregor and Porteous clearly don’t make a good combo and both full backs are letting crosses into the box way too regularly.

[BlackSheep]

Come on he wasn't to blame for the 2nd goal.

I’ve said it time and time again, I don’t blame him for the goal! It wasn’t a mistake by him or anyone else, it was a quite well worked goal from Dundee… not all goals are due to a fault by our team….

I’m nuts saying I would like to see his aerial ability and height be used more often… the second goal yesterday presented that opportunity yet he wasn’t confident enough to take it.

[bingo70]

Folk are very defensive about Macey. I’ve not seen anybody abuse Macey or go overboard with criticism. There’s a few questioning whether he could maybe do better with the odd goal and some saying they’re not completely convinced by him but the way some folk go on you’d think there were protests outside the guys house.

If people have an opinion that he’s maybe not the long term answer then that’s fine, I’m sure if he is as good as people say he’ll go on to prove the doubters wrong. Just because people can’t quite put their finger on why they’re not sure about him doesn’t mean there’s some agenda against the guy. Everybody wants him to be a success.

In terms of not knowing what it is that people aren’t sure of. It could be very small insignificant and unmemorable points in a match that lead to nothing, but still something some of the doubters have picked up on that didn’t effect us in that game but could in future games.

I really wasn’t sure of him for a good while but for the most part he’s won me round. I totally get what people are saying when they have concerns. I’m sat on the fence just now. Im genuinely not sure either way.

Worth noting that 2 of the posters who just aren’t sure are Pretty Boy and Andy74, both well known for being very positive posters. Neither of which are likely to hang the keeper out to dry just because, well I don’t know why they would.

[Hibernian Verse]

Re: coming for crosses, this will be an instruction from the coaching staff.

[Peevemor]

Do the people who are criticising Macey's kicking remember what Rocky's was like? Probably not as he was obviously instructed to stop about this time last year.

[calumhibee1]

Folk are very defensive about Macey. I’ve not seen anybody abuse Macey or go overboard with criticism. There’s a few questioning whether he could maybe do better with the odd goal and some saying they’re not completely convinced by him but the way some folk go on you’d think there were protests outside the guys house.

If people have an opinion that he’s maybe not the long term answer then that’s fine, I’m sure if he is as good as people say he’ll go on to prove the doubters wrong. Just because people can’t quite put their finger on why they’re not sure about him doesn’t mean there’s some agenda against the guy. Everybody wants him to be a success.

In terms of not knowing what it is that people aren’t sure of. It could be very small insignificant and unmemorable points in a match that lead to nothing, but still something some of the doubters have picked up on that didn’t effect us in that game but could in future games.

I really wasn’t sure of him for a good while but for the most part he’s won me round. I totally get what people are saying when they have concerns. I’m sat on the fence just now. Im genuinely not sure either way.

Worth noting that 2 of the posters who just aren’t sure are Pretty Boy and Andy74, both well known for being very positive posters. Neither of which are likely to hang the keeper out to dry just because, well I don’t know why they would.

:agree:

I can’t say I’ve read anything more than a mild critique of him yet we’ve got posts claiming he’s being ripped into etc.

It’s a bit like the old thread on the PM board where folk claimed the main board has went to **** when it’s really not all that bad. People seem to have become so desperate to go on the defensive that they get hugely offended by something as mild as folk saying Macey could have come for a cross.

[CentreLine]

:agree:

I can’t say I’ve read anything more than a mild critique of him yet we’ve got posts claiming he’s being ripped into etc.

It’s a bit like the old thread on the PM board where folk claimed the main board has went to **** when it’s really not all that bad. People seem to have become so desperate to go on the defensive that they get hugely offended by something as mild as folk saying Macey could have come for a cross.

Yep. Lots of people lining up for the “I told you so” thread in the future.
I think he is a good keeper by the way and improving with game time. He’s a big bloke and fills the goal (not in a Polar Bear way).

[Unseen work]

I thought this thread would have been about how he had a decent performance with a couple of really good saves.

Apparently not.

With regards to the goal I think he’s probably right to stay on the line, although my first thought was it was close enough for him to collect it.

Watching it back and looking at the trajectory and angle of the ball it would have been a risky one to come and collect, he probably had faith in his defenders dealing with what should have been an easy cross.

Mcgowans not had to jump to head it in, so think how low that is for Macey, for him to come and collect it high in the air you’re probably talking about him coming through 3/4 players.

It Gogic follows his man, who he was with outside the penalty box to start, and stays tight he heads it away and we win 2-1.

[Shrekko]

Folk are very defensive about Macey. I’ve not seen anybody abuse Macey or go overboard with criticism. There’s a few questioning whether he could maybe do better with the odd goal and some saying they’re not completely convinced by him but the way some folk go on you’d think there were protests outside the guys house.

If people have an opinion that he’s maybe not the long term answer then that’s fine, I’m sure if he is as good as people say he’ll go on to prove the doubters wrong. Just because people can’t quite put their finger on why they’re not sure about him doesn’t mean there’s some agenda against the guy. Everybody wants him to be a success.

In terms of not knowing what it is that people aren’t sure of. It could be very small insignificant and unmemorable points in a match that lead to nothing, but still something some of the doubters have picked up on that didn’t effect us in that game but could in future games.

I really wasn’t sure of him for a good while but for the most part he’s won me round. I totally get what people are saying when they have concerns. I’m sat on the fence just now. Im genuinely not sure either way.

Worth noting that 2 of the posters who just aren’t sure are Pretty Boy and Andy74, both well known for being very positive posters. Neither of which are likely to hang the keeper out to dry just because, well I don’t know why they would.

For me it’s not just an issue around Matt Macey - it’s the fact that we can now not rate players because of a hunch. The micro analysis that fans do on SPFL level players like we expect them to be EPL level is bad enough but for them to be not rated for nothing that’s actually happened is a step too far.

You’re right that Macey hasn’t actually been totally ripped …. but that’s because he’s done nothing that would warrant that. I think it’s obvious that when he does make a mistake that the ripping will come.

Macey may well turn out to be not good enough but on current form he deserves the opportunity and to be supported. In years gone by I’m guessing we’d all be thinking how well the club have done based on what we’ve seen.

You say it’s inexplicable that anyone would thrown him under the bus- maybe you can explain to me why we’ve seen comments like he’s ‘VERY suspect’ at everything bar shot stopping? There is zero evidence (at this point) that’s the case and it’s already been pointed out that he’s been flawless on 1 on 1’s.

[bingo70]

For me it’s not just an issue around Matt Macey - it’s the fact that we can now not rate players because of a hunch. The micro analysis that fans do on SPFL level players like we expect them to be EPL level is bad enough but for them to be not rated for nothing that’s actually happened is a step too far.

You’re right that Macey hasn’t actually been totally ripped …. but that’s because he’s done nothing that would warrant that. I think it’s obvious that when he does make a mistake that the ripping will come.

Macey may well turn out to be not good enough but on current form he deserves the opportunity and to be supported. In years gone by I’m guessing we’d all be thinking how well the club have done based on what we’ve seen.

You say it’s inexplicable that anyone would thrown him under the bus- maybe you can explain to me why we’ve seen comments like he’s ‘VERY suspect’ at everything bar shot stopping? There is zero evidence (at this point) that’s the case and it’s already been pointed out that he’s been flawless on 1 on 1’s.

Regarding the last paragraph, It wasn’t me who said that but I would count 1 on 1’s as shot stopping but maybe that’s just me. I assume the poster was referring to his distribution and lack of willingness to come for crosses as the other attributes he wasn’t strong at.

[Andy74]

For me it’s not just an issue around Matt Macey - it’s the fact that we can now not rate players because of a hunch. The micro analysis that fans do on SPFL level players like we expect them to be EPL level is bad enough but for them to be not rated for nothing that’s actually happened is a step too far.

You’re right that Macey hasn’t actually been totally ripped …. but that’s because he’s done nothing that would warrant that. I think it’s obvious that when he does make a mistake that the ripping will come.

Macey may well turn out to be not good enough but on current form he deserves the opportunity and to be supported. In years gone by I’m guessing we’d all be thinking how well the club have done based on what we’ve seen.

You say it’s inexplicable that anyone would thrown him under the bus- maybe you can explain to me why we’ve seen comments like he’s ‘VERY suspect’ at everything bar shot stopping? There is zero evidence (at this point) that’s the case and it’s already been pointed out that he’s been flawless on 1 on 1’s.

I think maybe only 1 poster has said it was on a hunch and I don't think they meant that it was just a feeling they have when they are contemplating things in their bed at night, I think it is meant to be an overall impression on the level of comfort he gives having actually watched him, without it being 1 specific thing.

When you say zero evidence do you really mean that, because I've seen quite a few fumbles, a really poor goal that went through him in pre season, kicking that goes straight out the park, indecision on coming out when he can win the ball, questionable positioning on some crosses and not being set to keep the ball out the net when deciding not to come for crosses. That's all stuff I see most games, not just a feeling I have.

There was a 5 minute spell at the weekend there that I think was an illustration of what we are getting from him. He had a brilliant save, a minute later he was caught in a poor position with a ball across the six yard box that we were fortunate didn't end up worse and then he booted the ball straight out the park twice.

I don't expect him to be EPL level - but I do hope that when Hibs lose good players that we try our best to replace them at the same level as we had, or we don't progress. I don't think we have done that with the goalkeeping position.

[Since90+2]

I think maybe only 1 poster has said it was on a hunch and I don't think they meant that it was just a feeling they have when they are contemplating things in their bed at night, I think it is meant to be an overall impression on the level of comfort he gives having actually watched him, without it being 1 specific thing.

When you say zero evidence do you really mean that, because I've seen quite a few fumbles, a really poor goal that went through him in pre season, kicking that goes straight out the park, indecision on coming out when he can win the ball, questionable positioning on some crosses and not being set to keep the ball out the net when deciding not to come for crosses. That's all stuff I see most games, not just a feeling I have.

There was a 5 minute spell at the weekend there that I think was an illustration of what we are getting from him. He had a brilliant save, a minute later he was caught in a poor position with a ball across the six yard box that we were fortunate didn't end up worse and then he booted the ball straight out the park twice.

I don't expect him to be EPL level - but I do hope that when Hibs lose good players that we try our best to replace them at the same level as we had, or we don't progress. I don't think we have done that with the goalkeeping position.

Marciano was a very good keeper, the best we've had at ER in many many years hence why he got a move to a club like Feyenoord .

It was always going to be very difficult to replace him with someone at the same standard.

[SMAXXA]

I think maybe only 1 poster has said it was on a hunch and I don't think they meant that it was just a feeling they have when they are contemplating things in their bed at night, I think it is meant to be an overall impression on the level of comfort he gives having actually watched him, without it being 1 specific thing.

When you say zero evidence do you really mean that, because I've seen quite a few fumbles, a really poor goal that went through him in pre season, kicking that goes straight out the park, indecision on coming out when he can win the ball, questionable positioning on some crosses and not being set to keep the ball out the net when deciding not to come for crosses. That's all stuff I see most games, not just a feeling I have.

There was a 5 minute spell at the weekend there that I think was an illustration of what we are getting from him. He had a brilliant save, a minute later he was caught in a poor position with a ball across the six yard box that we were fortunate didn't end up worse and then he booted the ball straight out the park twice.

I don't expect him to be EPL level - but I do hope that when Hibs lose good players that we try our best to replace them at the same level as we had, or we don't progress. I don't think we have done that with the goalkeeping position.

I don’t recall quite a few fumbles but may be missing something

[Bangkok Hibby]

I think maybe only 1 poster has said it was on a hunch and I don't think they meant that it was just a feeling they have when they are contemplating things in their bed at night, I think it is meant to be an overall impression on the level of comfort he gives having actually watched him, without it being 1 specific thing.

When you say zero evidence do you really mean that, because I've seen quite a few fumbles, a really poor goal that went through him in pre season, kicking that goes straight out the park, indecision on coming out when he can win the ball, questionable positioning on some crosses and not being set to keep the ball out the net when deciding not to come for crosses. That's all stuff I see most games, not just a feeling I have.

There was a 5 minute spell at the weekend there that I think was an illustration of what we are getting from him. He had a brilliant save, a minute later he was caught in a poor position with a ball across the six yard box that we were fortunate didn't end up worse and then he booted the ball straight out the park twice.

I don't expect him to be EPL level - but I do hope that when Hibs lose good players that we try our best to replace them at the same level as we had, or we don't progress. I don't think we have done that with the goalkeeping position.

I wonder what it will take to ever see a resolution to this debate. You are firmly of the opinion we haven't replaced Rocky with an equal. Many agree and many disagree.

[Bangkok Hibby]

Marciano was a very good keeper, the best we've had at ER in many many years hence why he got a move to a club like Feyenoord .

It was always going to be very difficult to replace him with someone at the same standard.

I believe we have. I also felt Bogdan was a better all round keeper than Marciano.

[Keyser Sauzee]

I think maybe only 1 poster has said it was on a hunch and I don't think they meant that it was just a feeling they have when they are contemplating things in their bed at night, I think it is meant to be an overall impression on the level of comfort he gives having actually watched him, without it being 1 specific thing.

When you say zero evidence do you really mean that, because I've seen quite a few fumbles, a really poor goal that went through him in pre season, kicking that goes straight out the park, indecision on coming out when he can win the ball, questionable positioning on some crosses and not being set to keep the ball out the net when deciding not to come for crosses. That's all stuff I see most games, not just a feeling I have.

There was a 5 minute spell at the weekend there that I think was an illustration of what we are getting from him. He had a brilliant save, a minute later he was caught in a poor position with a ball across the six yard box that we were fortunate didn't end up worse and then he booted the ball straight out the park twice.

I don't expect him to be EPL level - but I do hope that when Hibs lose good players that we try our best to replace them at the same level as we had, or we don't progress. I don't think we have done that with the goalkeeping position.

I understand we want to be replacing players with as good or better if we can but how realistic is it that we will be able to replace an international goalkeeper as good as Marciano? I don’t think Macey is as good as him but I think he’s definitely good enough for us in the SPL and given his age I don’t think is unreasonable to think he can comfortably progress his ability while he’s with us and become a really good goalkeeper. He has made a few errors but Marciano made similar mistakes, I think he will eventually be a really good goalkeeper for us.

[delbert]

Decent shot stopper but can't kick and can't command his area, not convinced yet.

Decent shop stopper, cant kick and doesn’t command his area, you’ve just described Marciano perfectly and we loved him !

[jacomo]

I wonder what it will take to ever see a resolution to this debate. You are firmly of the opinion we haven't replaced Rocky with an equal. Many agree and many disagree.


It won’t be resolved, just repeated over and over and over again, as seems to be the way.

Macey is our no.1 keeper now. Let’s see how he does.

[SMAXXA]

Decent shop stopper, cant kick and doesn’t command his area, you’ve just described Marciano perfectly and we loved him !

Got a lot of time for this post 👏😂

[J-C]

Got a lot of time for this post 👏😂

Funny a few have said that to my post and I did say afterwards that I think he's a pretty decent keeper and without certain fault would be nowhere near Hibs. He's a good keeper for this level, still no great at kicking and cross balls.😜😁

[Iain G]

Marciano was a very good keeper, the best we've had at ER in many many years hence why he got a move to a club like Feyenoord .

It was always going to be very difficult to replace him with someone at the same standard.

Not as good as Adam Bogdan imho 😎

[Bostonhibby]

Not as good as Adam Bogdan imho [emoji41]And mine Marciano could pull off some memorable stops but once Bogdan got up to speed he could do everything Marciano did well and was a better all round keeper.

In my opinion of course.

Sent from my SM-A750FN using Tapatalk

[Since90+2]

Not as good as Adam Bogdan imho 😎

He was good too.

[BS44]

Thought Rocky looked a much better all round goalie after we brought in Craig Samson as our goalie coach.

Which is a suprise to me, anytime I saw Samson play he was nearly always good for a major blunder at some point

[bigwheel]

Thought Rocky looked a much better all round goalie after we brought in Craig Samson as our goalie coach.

Which is a suprise to me, anytime I saw Samson play he was nearly always good for a major blunder at some point

He did seem to improve a bit didn’t he ..you’re right about Sampson…maybe a better coach than a keeper ?

[SMAXXA]

Thought Rocky looked a much better all round goalie after we brought in Craig Samson as our goalie coach.

Which is a suprise to me, anytime I saw Samson play he was nearly always good for a major blunder at some point

Your spot on and the biggest improvement which although still wasn’t reat but he seemed to come off his line for crosses more following the change of goalie coach.

[Borderhibbie76]

Tbh u could tell towards the end of last season Macey wasn't gonna get a fair crack of the whip from a few posters on here...he was under the microscope massively in the Cup matches and some were over critical of him even then...despite the fact he was the only player who actually turned up on Cup Final..was always gonna be the way and I honestly dread the first real mistake he makes as we will get the told u so brigade along on here...thats what these hunches and not as good as Rocky posts are all about just now.
Me - I think he's a decent replacement on what I've seen so far - prob not quite as good as Rocky at the moment but young and with massive potential to improve. I've no doubt he will be even better when we sort our glaring defensive deficiencies

[Danderhall Hibs]

Tbh u could tell towards the end of last season Macey wasn't gonna get a fair crack of the whip from a few posters on here...he was under the microscope massively in the Cup matches and some were over critical of him even then...despite the fact he was the only player who actually turned up on Cup Final..was always gonna be the way and I honestly dread the first real mistake he makes as we will get the told u so brigade along on here...thats what these hunches and not as good as Rocky posts are all about just now.
Me - I think he's a decent replacement on what I've seen so far - prob not quite as good as Rocky at the moment but young and with massive potential to improve. I've no doubt he will be even better when we sort our glaring defensive deficiencies

:agree:

[SMAXXA]

Tbh u could tell towards the end of last season Macey wasn't gonna get a fair crack of the whip from a few posters on here...he was under the microscope massively in the Cup matches and some were over critical of him even then...despite the fact he was the only player who actually turned up on Cup Final..was always gonna be the way and I honestly dread the first real mistake he makes as we will get the told u so brigade along on here...thats what these hunches and not as good as Rocky posts are all about just now.
Me - I think he's a decent replacement on what I've seen so far - prob not quite as good as Rocky at the moment but young and with massive potential to improve. I've no doubt he will be even better when we sort our glaring defensive deficiencies

Great post and agree with all of that. It’s like we always have to have someone in this mould, it’s al went pretty quiet on the Jack Ross front he was the last one I got that vibe about that no matter what he did some would never accept him for some bizarre reason. Glad to see that’s went quiet famous last words lol

[Borderhibbie76]

Great post and agree with all of that. It’s like we always have to have someone in this mould, it’s al went pretty quiet on the Jack Ross front he was the last one I got that vibe about that no matter what he did some would never accept him for some bizarre reason. Glad to see that’s went quiet famous last words lol

Don't worry when we lose our next match they will be back mate...there was a few on Twitter last night coz we drew with Dundee...I had a blocking spree :)

[gbhibby]

Not as good as Adam Bogdan imho 😎
Bogdan was a train wreck the first few games. Rocky has gone let's get behind Matt Macey, who some posters if it was Rocky that made those saves at the weekend would be singing his praises.
That game has gone let's start looking forward to the livi game.

[Pretty Boy]

Tbh u could tell towards the end of last season Macey wasn't gonna get a fair crack of the whip from a few posters on here...he was under the microscope massively in the Cup matches and some were over critical of him even then...despite the fact he was the only player who actually turned up on Cup Final..was always gonna be the way and I honestly dread the first real mistake he makes as we will get the told u so brigade along on here...thats what these hunches and not as good as Rocky posts are all about just now.
Me - I think he's a decent replacement on what I've seen so far - prob not quite as good as Rocky at the moment but young and with massive potential to improve. I've no doubt he will be even better when we sort our glaring defensive deficiencies

He's 27 in 2 weeks.

There is a lot of fair defence of him on this thread, arguably a lot fairer than the criticism, but being young is stretching it.

Rocky was 26, coming up 27, when we signed him and I don't think anyone thought we were signing a young lad with potential. We were signing a guy ready to be our 1st choice, the same applies to Macey.

[Silky]

Bogdan was a train wreck the first few games. Rocky has gone let's get behind Matt Macey, who some posters if it was Rocky that made those saves at the weekend would be singing his praises.
That game has gone let's start looking forward to the livi game.


Indeed. He's the Hibs keeper, we should be getting behind him. None of the critics have provided any evidence to support their claims, nor demonstrated that they have identified a better replacement within our price range. Keepers are not infallible, they make mistakes. Strikers miss sitters, managers get tactics wrong. It happens. When I think of some of the jokers I've seen between the sticks for us, he's a good keeper.

[IWasThere2016]

I’m not entirely convinced by Macey yet… seen glimpses of good goalkeeping but for 6’ 7” player he should be going for a lot more in our box…. For McGowan to score from 5/6 yards today from a header… Macey should be attacking that and winning it!

I’d like to see Ross give Dabrowski a run and see how he gets on… watching him against Arsenal in pre season you can see and hear he is much more confident than Macey.

I agree. Needs to leave his line and command. He's a giant and refs protect keepers

[Andy74]

Tbh u could tell towards the end of last season Macey wasn't gonna get a fair crack of the whip from a few posters on here...he was under the microscope massively in the Cup matches and some were over critical of him even then...despite the fact he was the only player who actually turned up on Cup Final..was always gonna be the way and I honestly dread the first real mistake he makes as we will get the told u so brigade along on here...thats what these hunches and not as good as Rocky posts are all about just now.
Me - I think he's a decent replacement on what I've seen so far - prob not quite as good as Rocky at the moment but young and with massive potential to improve. I've no doubt he will be even better when we sort our glaring defensive deficiencies

Pish from start to finish. The views on him are based on watching him. Nothing more than that.

[LaMotta]

He's 27 in 2 weeks.

There is a lot of fair defence of him on this thread, arguably a lot fairer than the criticism, but being young is stretching it.

Rocky was 26, coming up 27, when we signed him and I don't think anyone thought we were signing a young lad with potential. We were signing a guy ready to be our 1st choice, the same applies to Macey.


Probably because Rocky had a nose like Jimmy Durante :big grin:

[Borderhibbie76]

Pish from start to finish. The views on him are based on watching him. Nothing more than that.

How constructive P##h is that the best u can come up with Andy? Your views on our keeper are in the minority and I'd bet u will be the first to come on here and say I told u so if/when a mistake comes along that leads to a goal. For now let's agree to disagree

[SMAXXA]

How constructive P##h is that the best u can come up with Andy? Your views on our keeper are in the minority and I'd bet u will be the first to come on here and say I told u so if/when a mistake comes along that leads to a goal. For now let's agree to disagree

Reading his posts Andy’s no for changing his mind 😂

[Shrekko]

Tbh u could tell towards the end of last season Macey wasn't gonna get a fair crack of the whip from a few posters on here...he was under the microscope massively in the Cup matches and some were over critical of him even then...despite the fact he was the only player who actually turned up on Cup Final..was always gonna be the way and I honestly dread the first real mistake he makes as we will get the told u so brigade along on here...thats what these hunches and not as good as Rocky posts are all about just now.
Me - I think he's a decent replacement on what I've seen so far - prob not quite as good as Rocky at the moment but young and with massive potential to improve. I've no doubt he will be even better when we sort our glaring defensive deficiencies

Whole situation summed up perfectly.

Early signs are very good - no need to do anything but back the guy as things stand.

I agree he’s not what you would term a youngster but goalies tend to peak a bit later than outfield players so pretty sure he is going to improve like Rocky did.

We’ve done well replacing a good player with another which we don’t always do…

[007]

Tbh u could tell towards the end of last season Macey wasn't gonna get a fair crack of the whip from a few posters on here...he was under the microscope massively in the Cup matches and some were over critical of him even then...despite the fact he was the only player who actually turned up on Cup Final..was always gonna be the way and I honestly dread the first real mistake he makes as we will get the told u so brigade along on here...thats what these hunches and not as good as Rocky posts are all about just now.
Me - I think he's a decent replacement on what I've seen so far - prob not quite as good as Rocky at the moment but young and with massive potential to improve. I've no doubt he will be even better when we sort our glaring defensive deficiencies

👍

[Block]

I like Matt Macey. We've had a heck of a lot worse in the past than this big solid goalie. We're fortunate to have him between the sticks, imo.

[JimBHibees]

Presently reserving judgement on him. He does seem to make a few good saves however I do have some concerns also so many similar goals getting scored which yes we should try much harder stopping crosses I would think he could be coming out for some of the crosses. If driven in with pace fair enough if floated in I think either he should be making up the ground to take the cross or at least closing the angle down for the header coming in. Sundays second he may not have been able to take the cross he certainly had the opportunity to be couple of yards off his line closing the angle. As it was he was virtually on his line completely exposed to a simple header into the corner. Maybe unfair but never a great fan of goalies watching the ball going into the net rather than making an effort to save. As I say reserving judgement.

[Hiber-nation]

I'm not 100% convinced by him but it takes time for a defence to work with a keeper and maybe there are still some issues to sort out re the defence not dropping too deep/assuming Macey will come and claim crosses given his height. I'm not forensically examining each goal we've conceded this season but there have been recurring themes of a) Gogic not tracking his man which has been inexcusable and b) McGinn not stopping crosses. I think he'll improve with more work on the training ground.

[blackpoolhibs]

I'm not 100% convinced by him but it takes time for a defence to work with a keeper and maybe there are still some issues to sort out re the defence not dropping too deep/assuming Macey will come and claim crosses given his height. I'm not forensically examining each goal we've conceded this season but there have been recurring themes of a) Gogic not tracking his man which has been inexcusable and b) McGinn not stopping crosses. I think he'll improve with more work on the training ground.

I think you have hit the nail on the head here, i'm more worried about stopping the crosses and players losing their runners than the keepers kicking being a bit suspect.

I dont think Macey is as good as Rocky, but he's doing well so far.

[calumhibee1]

Tbh u could tell towards the end of last season Macey wasn't gonna get a fair crack of the whip from a few posters on here...he was under the microscope massively in the Cup matches and some were over critical of him even then...despite the fact he was the only player who actually turned up on Cup Final..was always gonna be the way and I honestly dread the first real mistake he makes as we will get the told u so brigade along on here...thats what these hunches and not as good as Rocky posts are all about just now.
Me - I think he's a decent replacement on what I've seen so far - prob not quite as good as Rocky at the moment but young and with massive potential to improve. I've no doubt he will be even better when we sort our glaring defensive deficiencies

Have you just ignored all the reasons people have actually given for being slightly concerned by him?

Folk have pointed out that they think he could do better at cross balls. Folk have pointed out that we didn’t concede a goal from a cross in the league last year but we conceded a few in the cups when Macey played and we’ve conceded a barrel load this season considering how many games we’ve played. People are given reasons why he causes slight concern. These are the things that give people a hunch. It’s not based on absolutely nothing.

Nobody has been ridiculously critical of him. At worst there’s been mild critique of his performances. People have given examples of things he could do better and mistakes they reckon he’s made whilst even pointing out they’ve not been calamitous, just wee things that give them slight cause for concern.

That’s been the extent of what’s been posted. Im not quite sure why so many people are getting so defensive about it.

[Andy74]

How constructive P##h is that the best u can come up with Andy? Your views on our keeper are in the minority and I'd bet u will be the first to come on here and say I told u so if/when a mistake comes along that leads to a goal. For now let's agree to disagree

No, I’ve given my views in detail. The suggestion it is some sort of agenda based on who knows what is the pish part.

So what if I say I told you so at some point? Will everyone who think he’s great just sit quietly if he does well? That tends to be how discussions go.

Being in a minority isn’t a problem. Seems like you are suggestion people with minority views should shut up? if you’re right there’s nothing much to worry about the fact some people disagree.

[Since452]

Arguably one of Ross's best signings. Got us to Hampden last season and the only player who performed in the final. Made some great saves already this season. He'll make mistakes as all keepers do but he's a good keeper in the market we're shopping in.

[calumhibee1]

No, I’ve given my views in detail. The suggestion it is some sort of agenda based on who knows what is the pish part.

So what if I say I told you so at some point? Will everyone who think he’s great just sit quietly if he does well? That tends to be how discussions go.

Being in a minority isn’t a problem. Seems like you are suggestion people with minority views should shut up? if you’re right there’s nothing much to worry about the fact some people disagree.

:agree:

I don’t mind Macey. But the fact we’ve conceded so many goals from crosses this season and conceded a few from them in cups last season when we never conceded any at all with Rocky in goals would suggest there’s merit in the idea that he’s not great at cross balls. Largely, that’s been the criticism of him. I don’t think that can really be denied all that much by the people taking great offence to the questions being asked.

You’re probably the biggest critic of Macey, or at least the most vocal, I think that would be fair to say. I can’t say I’ve read anything you’ve posted and thought it was hugely over the top re Macey though. Even when you’ve been advocating getting another goalie in, I would agree with that. We’re poorer in the goalkeeping department this year using Jack Ross’ decision as to who was his number 1 last season as a basis for that.

I wouldn’t be hugely comfortable seeing Dabrowski in goals should Macey get injured so I’d like to see us get another keeper in as well. I’d prefer if that keeper was better than Macey and could displace him as that would get us closer to the level we were last year in that position.

[green day]

I would struggle to point the finger at any department other than our back four for those goals conceded to crosses this season.

Cut out the supply = no danger in the first place

Centre Halfs do their job properly = less of an issue if a ball does come in.

Centre halfs pulled out of position to help full backs = we are in real trouble.

I genuinely struggle to see that Macey has been anything other than badly exposed at these goals so far.

I see some blaming Macey for the equaliser..............It was actually pathetic tracking from Gogic who was ball watching as the cross came in and the wee daftie thug with the combover walked past him - amateur stuff but not Maceys fault.

[calumhibee1]

I would struggle to point the finger at any department other than our back four for those goals conceded to crosses this season.

Cut out the supply = no danger in the first place

Centre Halfs do their job properly = less of an issue if a ball does come in.

Centre halfs pulled out of position to help full backs = we are in real trouble.

I genuinely struggle to see that Macey has been anything other than badly exposed at these goals so far.

I see some blaming Macey for the equaliser..............It was actually pathetic tracking from Gogic who was ball watching as the cross came in and the wee daftie thug with the combover walked past him - amateur stuff but not Maceys fault.

But why does it happen the minute Macey goes in goals? We conceded 3 headed goals in 2 games against St J at Hampden last year whilst Macey was in goals. We conceded none the whole season when Rocky was.

We’ve conceded 7 or so this season I think?

We’ve got the same defence as last year. Macey is the only change yet we’ve seen such a dramatic difference in terms of goals from cross balls, whether that’s last season in cups or this season in full.

It would seem curious if there wasn’t some element of that was down to Macey and was all just coincidence that the defenders stopped turning up often when he goes in goals.

[Bangkok Hibby]

I would struggle to point the finger at any department other than our back four for those goals conceded to crosses this season.

Cut out the supply = no danger in the first place

Centre Halfs do their job properly = less of an issue if a ball does come in.

Centre halfs pulled out of position to help full backs = we are in real trouble.

I genuinely struggle to see that Macey has been anything other than badly exposed at these goals so far.

I see some blaming Macey for the equaliser..............It was actually pathetic tracking from Gogic who was ball watching as the cross came in and the wee daftie thug with the combover walked past him - amateur stuff but not Maceys fault.

In my opinion this is the best post of the thread. Last season when I said Rocky gave me the fear when crosses were coming in it was because he stayed on his line and seldom came to collect a cross. I was told by a few that it was the job of defenders to deal with crosses and modern keepers leave it to them. Surprised then to now see people saying Macey should be coming for more crosses!

[Danderhall Hibs]

But why does it happen the minute Macey goes in goals? We conceded 3 headed goals in 2 games against St J at Hampden last year whilst Macey was in goals. We conceded none the whole season when Rocky was.

We’ve conceded 7 or so this season I think?

We’ve got the same defence as last year. Macey is the only change yet we’ve seen such a dramatic difference in terms of goals from cross balls, whether that’s last season in cups or this season in full.

It would seem curious if there wasn’t some element of that was down to Macey and was all just coincidence that the defenders stopped turning up often when he goes in goals.

We played with 3 at the back a lot last season - wonder if that’s having an impact?

[Since452]

But why does it happen the minute Macey goes in goals? We conceded 3 headed goals in 2 games against St J at Hampden last year whilst Macey was in goals. We conceded none the whole season when Rocky was.

We’ve conceded 7 or so this season I think?

We’ve got the same defence as last year. Macey is the only change yet we’ve seen such a dramatic difference in terms of goals from cross balls, whether that’s last season in cups or this season in full.

It would seem curious if there wasn’t some element of that was down to Macey and was all just coincidence that the defenders stopped turning up often when he goes in goals.

Did we not conceded one to Hearts at Hampden with Marciano in goals?

[calumhibee1]

Did we not conceded one to Hearts at Hampden with Marciano in goals?

We did, good spot. Although technically that wasn’t last season :greengrin

Regardless though, the numbers hugely favour Marciano and I don’t think it’s unreasonable to be asking the question why.

[Bangkok Hibby]

We did, good spot. Although technically that wasn’t last season :greengrin

Regardless though, the numbers hugely favour Marciano and I don’t think it’s unreasonable to be asking the question why.

Well it certainly wasn't because Rocky commanded his box and came for crosses. So it must be more to do with our set up.

[calumhibee1]

Well it certainly wasn't because Rocky commanded his box and came for crosses. So it must be more to do with our set up.

It may well be. If we have to set up a certain way to accommodate Macey and it’s leading to us conceding a lot more goals in general, never mind just from crosses, then I’d be questioning whether we should be accommodating that change rather than getting a new number 1 in.

If the positives outweigh the negatives in that regard then absolutely fine.
I’m not sure the evidence so far suggests that though.

[bingo70]

Well it certainly wasn't because Rocky commanded his box and came for crosses. So it must be more to do with our set up.

I’ve seen a few people mention this.

Rocky was absolutely fine coming for crosses IMO. His command of his box was never an issue to me.

Not that it matters, he’s away now, I just think it’s one of these myths that’s grown arms and legs a bit.

[SMAXXA]

Have you just ignored all the reasons people have actually given for being slightly concerned by him?

Folk have pointed out that they think he could do better at cross balls. Folk have pointed out that we didn’t concede a goal from a cross in the league last year but we conceded a few in the cups when Macey played and we’ve conceded a barrel load this season considering how many games we’ve played. People are given reasons why he causes slight concern. These are the things that give people a hunch. It’s not based on absolutely nothing.

Nobody has been ridiculously critical of him. At worst there’s been mild critique of his performances. People have given examples of things he could do better and mistakes they reckon he’s made whilst even pointing out they’ve not been calamitous, just wee things that give them slight cause for concern.

That’s been the extent of what’s been posted. Im not quite sure why so many people are getting so defensive about it.

They can point it out but can also be wrong, tell me one goal he should have came for and prevented this season? Just cause he’s a big laddie doesn’t mean to say he can come for everything.

[The Modfather]

:agree:

I don’t mind Macey. But the fact we’ve conceded so many goals from crosses this season and conceded a few from them in cups last season when we never conceded any at all with Rocky in goals would suggest there’s merit in the idea that he’s not great at cross balls. Largely, that’s been the criticism of him. I don’t think that can really be denied all that much by the people taking great offence to the questions being asked.

You’re probably the biggest critic of Macey, or at least the most vocal, I think that would be fair to say. I can’t say I’ve read anything you’ve posted and thought it was hugely over the top re Macey though. Even when you’ve been advocating getting another goalie in, I would agree with that. We’re poorer in the goalkeeping department this year using Jack Ross’ decision as to who was his number 1 last season as a basis for that.

I wouldn’t be hugely comfortable seeing Dabrowski in goals should Macey get injured so I’d like to see us get another keeper in as well. I’d prefer if that keeper was better than Macey and could displace him as that would get us closer to the level we were last year in that position.

To be fair, the season before last season I remember crosses being a big issue. Particularly on the left where it looked like age had caught up with Stevenson as he wasn’t stopping many crosses coming in.

Macey seems a good replacement to me. Makes good saves, few glaring errors, but isn’t particularly dominant. I see a lot of similarities between him and Marciano, both good keepers but their lack of ability to command the box is why they are at a club at our level.

[SMAXXA]

I’ve seen a few people mention this.

Rocky was absolutely fine coming for crosses IMO. His command of his box was never an issue to me.

Not that it matters, he’s away now, I just think it’s one of these myths that’s grown arms and legs a bit.

100% wasn’t a myth Bingo over his time here it was well documented yet improved some Samson came in.

[SMAXXA]

It may well be. If we have to set up a certain way to accommodate Macey and it’s leading to us conceding a lot more goals in general, never mind just from crosses, then I’d be questioning whether we should be accommodating that change rather than getting a new number 1 in.

If the positives outweigh the negatives in that regard then absolutely fine.
I’m not sure the evidence so far suggests that though.

That’s nonsense why would we set up a different way to accommodate Macey? Try focus in on the real issues stopping crosses and defending balls into the box nothing to do with set up or the keeper we have conceded more this season so far as we have been bad at the above elements nothing more nothing less.

[Bangkok Hibby]

It may well be. If we have to set up a certain way to accommodate Macey and it’s leading to us conceding a lot more goals in general, never mind just from crosses, then I’d be questioning whether we should be accommodating that change rather than getting a new number 1 in.

If the positives outweigh the negatives in that regard then absolutely fine.
I’m not sure the evidence so far suggests that though.

I dont think for one minute we need to set up to accommodate our goalkeeper. As many have said our problems lie elsewhere.

[calumhibee1]

They can point it out but can also be wrong, tell me one goal he should have came for and prevented this season? Just cause he’s a big laddie doesn’t mean to say he can come for everything.

I think he could have come for the goal on Sunday. It’s 6 yards out and a 5ft7 attacker has headed it in without jumping. I think the keeper should be getting to that.

[calumhibee1]

That’s nonsense why would we set up a different way to accommodate Macey? Try focus in on the real issues stopping crosses and defending balls into the box nothing to do with set up or the keeper we have conceded more this season so far as we have been bad at the above elements nothing more nothing less.

So just to be clear, we never change how we play when Macey is in goals, we concede a lot of goals when Macey goes in goals compared to when he’s not yet it’s simply because the defenders conveniently stop doing the stuff they done superbly well every time Rocky was in goals when Macey goes in?

[SMAXXA]

I think he could have come for the goal on Sunday. It’s 6 yards out and a 5ft7 attacker has headed it in without jumping. I think the keeper should be getting to that.

Opinions eh

[SMAXXA]

So just to be clear, we never change how we play when Macey is in goals, we concede a lot of goals when Macey goes in goals compared to when he’s not yet it’s simply because the defenders conveniently stop doing the stuff they done superbly well every time Rocky was in goals when Macey goes in?

Correct!!!! Have a look at the goals man it’s plain to see regardless of who was in the sticks we have defended poorly don’t know why that’s a hard for you to see?

[calumhibee1]

Correct!!!! Have a look at the goals man it’s plain to see regardless of who was in the sticks we have defended poorly don’t know why that’s a hard for you to see?

That sounds like a huge coincidence.

As I said above, I think there is goals Macey has played his part in and could have done better.

[BS44]

I think he could have come for the goal on Sunday. It’s 6 yards out and a 5ft7 attacker has headed it in without jumping. I think the keeper should be getting to that.

The goalie shouldn't have to come for that cross - it's a decent ball in but hardly the stuff of legend. Unfortunately, our defenders were caught ball-watching as the narky midget made his run into the box. I can't say that I've looked at the goals we have lost this season in any detail, but I suspect that Sunday's was not the first that can be put down to ball-watching. On the upside, ball-watching is easily fixed.

[JimBHibees]

I think you have hit the nail on the head here, i'm more worried about stopping the crosses and players losing their runners than the keepers kicking being a bit suspect.

I dont think Macey is as good as Rocky, but he's doing well so far.

Fair point collective responsibility in stopping goals.

[Peevemor]

Correct!!!! Have a look at the goals man it’s plain to see regardless of who was in the sticks we have defended poorly don’t know why that’s a hard for you to see?

Yep. It's getting daft now.

Macey has made some superb saves that I get the impression are being ignored because he doesn't do the Rocky spectacular dive thing.

Penalty takers obviously aren't at ease faced with him either.

Folk go on about losing goals from crosses but come on - Cummings goal on Saturday, what could any keeper have done to stop that cross/pass?

Martin Boyle said on the long bangers podcast that their 2nd was as much down to him as anyone else as he half stopped playing to complain about the throw in. What does he know though?

[SlickShoes]

What a bizarre thread, lets just manufacture reasons to dislike a player that has basically done nothing wrong. He had a couple of dodgy moments when he was in goals last season, but this season he's just done his job and having watched all our opening games I can see issues i'd fix everywhere else on the pitch before singling out the goalkeepers.

The goal on Sunday is 100% Gogic letting his runner just go, maybe he could have came out for it but it's a ball looped in amongst the entire hibs defence, one of whom should really have dealt with it.

[JimBHibees]

We did, good spot. Although technically that wasn’t last season :greengrin

Regardless though, the numbers hugely favour Marciano and I don’t think it’s unreasonable to be asking the question why.

Was Rocky not in goals in league cup semi when Kerr and Rooney scored think he was. Just checked he definitely was.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

So many crosses are making it in to the box just now, it's so frustrating. I'd expect a keeper of his size to fully command the box. Maybe he's just adapting to the game, he's spent a lot of time as a back up.

What frustrated me most about the equaliser on Sunday was Boyle. Ok it should've been a throw in to us but he's over berating the referee which allowed Dundee to take a quick throw and find the smallest guy on the park that ran in to the box untracked (Gogic)

Also worrying how both our CB's at the time the cross came in were over towards the RB position. Positional sense has been piss poor lately

[Bangkok Hibby]

What a bizarre thread, lets just manufacture reasons to dislike a player that has basically done nothing wrong. He had a couple of dodgy moments when he was in goals last season, but this season he's just done his job and having watched all our opening games I can see issues i'd fix everywhere else on the pitch before singling out the goalkeepers.

The goal on Sunday is 100% Gogic letting his runner just go, maybe he could have came out for it but it's a ball looped in amongst the entire hibs defence, one of whom should really have dealt with it.

As I said, last season people were saying it isn't the goalkeepers job to come for crosses in the modern game. Can't have it both ways.

[JimBHibees]

We played with 3 at the back a lot last season - wonder if that’s having an impact?

Every chance it would do.

[bingo70]

Yep. It's getting daft now.

Macey has made some superb saves that I get the impression are being ignored because he doesn't do the Rocky spectacular dive thing.

Penalty takers obviously aren't at ease faced with him either.

Folk go on about losing goals from crosses but come on - Cummings goal on Saturday, what could any keeper have done to stop that cross/pass?

Martin Boyle said on the long bangers podcast that their 2nd was as much down to him as anyone else as he half stopped playing to complain about the throw in. What does he know though?

Macey has had loads of praise from pretty much everyone for the saves he makes?

With regards to the last point, putting to one side the annoying way you’ve asked the question, there will always be things the team can do better to stop the ball getting to the Keeper, that doesn’t mean the keepers performance can’t be discussed.

I’m not sure about the second goal on Sunday. When I first watched it, it didn’t cross my mind he could have done better. When I watched it on Sportscene, I couldn’t work out why he stayed planted to his line, even if he’d come off his line and made himself bigger it would have made it a bit more difficult for the scorer. That said, people who know more about goalkeeping than me have said there’s nothing he could do so I’m happy to accept I’m wrong on that one.

There’s so much more to goalkeeping than shot stopping, I tend not to believe in coincidences when you see how many goals we are losing from crosses now compared to before. As a goalkeeper, he absolutely plays a part in that, even if it’s not directly obvious what he’s done wrong. That’s not me saying he’s to blame, or all these goals are his fault, it does look like somethings not working in terms of the overall defensive structure just now though.

Despite all of the above I am warming to Macey, I really wasn’t sure at first, I’ve found him a lot more reassuring recently, that said, I still see where folk are coming from who have concerns.

[Mr. Wonderful]

I’ve seen a few people mention this.

Rocky was absolutely fine coming for crosses IMO. His command of his box was never an issue to me.

Not that it matters, he’s away now, I just think it’s one of these myths that’s grown arms and legs a bit.

And its now happening with Macey too, because he's tall he's expected to come for and claim every cross but if that were a possibility people would always just sign huge goalies and never concede from crosses.

The cross at the weekend wasn't from a normal wide position where you have more time to read where the ball is going, it was almost from shooting range in front of the goals and it was whipped in at pace, too.

Defence weren't set. They weren't high or low and allowed the laddie to ghost in and Gogic should've stayed with him the whole way

[bingo70]

And its now happening with Macey too, because he's tall he's expected to come for and claim every cross but if that were a possibility people would always just sign huge goalies and never concede from crosses.

The cross at the weekend wasn't from a normal wide position where you have more time to read where the ball is going, it was almost from shooting range in front of the goals and it was whipped in at pace, too.

The cross at the weekend wasn’t whipped in with pace, it was floated in?

[calumhibee1]

Yep. It's getting daft now.

Macey has made some superb saves that I get the impression are being ignored because he doesn't do the Rocky spectacular dive thing.

Penalty takers obviously aren't at ease faced with him either.

Folk go on about losing goals from crosses but come on - Cummings goal on Saturday, what could any keeper have done to stop that cross/pass?

Martin Boyle said on the long bangers podcast that their 2nd was as much down to him as anyone else as he half stopped playing to complain about the throw in. What does he know though?

I don’t think I’ve seen anybody suggest that he should have done anything about the cross for Cummings goal :confused:

[Peevemor]

Macey has had loads of praise from pretty much everyone for the saves he makes?

With regards to the last point, putting to one side the annoying way you’ve asked the question, there will always be things the team can do better to stop the ball getting to the Keeper, that doesn’t mean the keepers performance can’t be discussed.

I’m not sure about the second goal on Sunday. When I first watched it, it didn’t cross my mind he could have done better. When I watched it on Sportscene, I couldn’t work out why he stayed planted to his line, even if he’d come off his line and made himself bigger it would have made it a bit more difficult for the scorer. That said, people who know more about goalkeeping than me have said there’s nothing he could do so I’m happy to accept I’m wrong on that one.

There’s so much more to goalkeeping than shot stopping, I tend not to believe in coincidences when you see how many goals we are losing from crosses now compared to before. As a goalkeeper, he absolutely plays a part in that, even if it’s not directly obvious what he’s done wrong. That’s not me saying he’s to blame, or all these goals are his fault, it does look like somethings not working in terms of the overall defensive structure just now though.

Despite all of the above I am warming to Macey, I really wasn’t sure at first, I’ve found him a lot more reassuring recently, that said, I still see where folk are coming from who have concerns.

Annoying? Is there anything you don't criticise?

[Bangkok Hibby]

Annoying? Is there anything you don't criticise?

Have to say I've read and re-read your post to see what could possibly cause annoyance. Nowt!

[lord bunberry]

Other than 1 game last season I think he’s been absolutely fine. I’m not getting the criticism of him tbh, he’s made some cracking saves and kept us in games this season. It’s still early days for him, but he’s the least of our worries atm.

[bingo70]

Annoying? Is there anything you don't criticise?

Yes, people who debate normally without being smart *****.

“What would he know though?” Just another unnecessary sarcy comment with a view to belittling the person who dares disagree with you.

I’ve absolutely no problem people disagreeing with me on stuff, I’m wrong loads, I don’t doubt that for a second. People have disagreed with me about Marciano commanding his box, that’s absolutely fine. Sarcastic throw away lines like the one above do annoy me though as there’s just no need for it.

[Mr. Wonderful]

The cross at the weekend wasn’t whipped in with pace, it was floated in?

It had pace on it. And it was met at its lowest point, the ball gets highest at the edge of the box and comes down really quickly from there. If your goalies coming for those types of cross you're going to get yourself into trouble more often than not.

Angle is everything.

[LaMotta]

I’ve seen a few people mention this.

Rocky was absolutely fine coming for crosses IMO. His command of his box was never an issue to me.

Not that it matters, he’s away now, I just think it’s one of these myths that’s grown arms and legs a bit.

Agreed.

[Heisenberg]

It had pace on it. And it was met at its lowest point, the ball gets highest at the edge of the box and comes down really quickly from there. If you're goalies coming for those type sof cross you're going to get yourself into trouble more often than not.

Agree. That second goal is all on Gogic. He follows his man into the box then it’s not a goal.

[Danderhall Hibs]

I’m wrong loads,.

:agree:

:greengrin

[Mr. Wonderful]

Agree. That second goal is all on Gogic. He follows his man into the box then it’s not a goal.

Many different reasons but in the box it's Gogic, and not for the first time this season.

[bingo70]

:agree:

:greengrin

😂

I was just trying to be diplomatic. I don’t believe that nonsense for a second.

[eastterrace]

The cross at the weekend wasn’t whipped in with pace, it was floated in?your right it was floated in and McGowan ran from just inside the box so about 12 yards to put his head on it and we have a keeper who doesn’t come out six yards to try and even punch the ball. We just have to accept that he doesn’t like coming for crosses unless it’s just under his bar.

[SMAXXA]

your right it was floated in and McGowan ran from just inside the box so about 12 yards to put his head on it and we have a keeper who doesn’t come out six yards to try and even punch the ball. We just have to accept that he doesn’t like coming for crosses unless it’s just under his bar.

In must have imagined the numerous times he done this in games I’ve seen him in then

[Danderhall Hibs]

your right it was floated in and McGowan ran from just inside the box so about 12 yards to put his head on it and we have a keeper who doesn’t come out six yards to try and even punch the ball. We just have to accept that he doesn’t like coming for crosses unless it’s just under his bar.

A myth that’s growing arms and legs.

[Peevemor]

In must have imagined the numerous times he done this in games I’ve seen him in then

No. Hibs are the only team to lose goals from crosses and it only started since we put Macey in.

Have I got that right?

[WhileTheChief..]

No. Hibs are the only team to lose goals from crosses and it only started since we put Macey in.

Have I got that right?

Nobody has said that. You're making things up. Again.

[Peevemor]

Nobody has said that. You're making things up. Again.

Again? Where have I made stuff up or is it just another free pop?

[Since90+2]

No. Hibs are the only team to lose goals from crosses and it only started since we put Macey in.

Have I got that right?

Can you point me to a single post on this thread with someone saying Hibs are the only team to lose goals from crosses?

[WhileTheChief..]

So you agree you made that up?

Why not just have the discussion and make your point without the jibes / digs / nonsense?

It's a decent debate. No one is slating or attacking anyone and there is just no need for these type of comments. It's that sort of thing that leads to arguments and threads being closed.

[Peevemor]

Can you point me to a single post on this thread with someone saying Hibs are the only team to lose goals from crosses?

Not just on this thread but this is definitely a new fixation for some and there are definite undertones re Macey.

And before anyone jumps in to correct me, I know we have to sort out aspects of our defending and I too would like to see Macey dominating at least the 6 yard box.

[Peevemor]

So you agree you made that up?

Why not just have the discussion and make your point without the jibes / digs / nonsense?

It's a decent debate. No one is slating or attacking anyone and there is just no need for these type of comments. It's that sort of thing that leads to arguments and threads being closed.

I was exaggerating to make a point.

You said that I was making stuff up again. What else have I made up or were you just making stuff up yourself?

Maybe you're the only one allowed to make jibes?

And you talk to me about jibes...

[calumhibee1]

No. Hibs are the only team to lose goals from crosses and it only started since we put Macey in.

Have I got that right?

:rolleyes:

[Since90+2]

Not just on this thread but this is definitely a new fixation for some and there are definite undertones re Macey.

And before anyone jumps in to correct me, I know we have to sort out aspects of our defending and I too would like to see Macey dominating at least the 6 yard box.

I like Macey, I think he's probably just about good enough for the level we are at the moment. He's certainly a very capable shot stopper and I don't actually think his kicking is as bad as being made out.

I do think he needs to work on his ability to judge crosses into the box and be more commanding. He's obviously a very big guy but he's very lean and doesn't strike me as having a huge presence in and around the 6 yard box.

[calumhibee1]

So you agree you made that up?

Why not just have the discussion and make your point without the jibes / digs / nonsense?

It's a decent debate. No one is slating or attacking anyone and there is just no need for these type of comments. It's that sort of thing that leads to arguments and threads being closed.

:agree:

It really wasn’t all that bad a debate. People were getting overly defensive of Macey in the face of very mild criticism imo and others feel he’s being overly criticised.

No surprises it’s escalated into smart arse comments etc now though. There was a lot less of it on here for the previous week.

[Peevemor]

I like Macey, I think he's probably just about good enough for the level we are at the moment. He's certainly a very capable shot stopper and I don't actually think his kicking is as bad as being made out.

I do think he needs to work on his ability to judge crosses into the box and be more commanding. He's obviously a very big guy but he's very lean and doesn't strike me as having a huge presence in and around the 6 yard box.

His kicking is probably better than Rocky's was (not difficult).

[WhileTheChief..]

I was exaggerating to make a point.

You said that I was making stuff up again. What else have I made up or were you just making stuff up yourself?

Maybe you're the only one allowed to make jibes?

And you talk to me about jibes...

Apologies, touched a nerve again.

[Peevemor]

:agree:

It really wasn’t all that bad a debate. People were getting overly defensive of Macey in the face of very mild criticism imo and others feel he’s being overly criticised.

No surprises it’s escalated into smart arse comments etc now though. There was a lot less of it for the previous week.

:rolleyes:

[Hibernian Verse]

:rolleyes:

What are you like? Coming back and disrupting the great harmony on Hibs.net. Everyone had been getting on so well :wink:

[SMAXXA]

I was exaggerating to make a point.

You said that I was making stuff up again. What else have I made up or were you just making stuff up yourself?

Maybe you're the only one allowed to make jibes?

And you talk to me about jibes...

Wouldn’t worry about it I knew what you meant and it was clear it’s was tongue in cheek some folk need to relax 😂

[Since90+2]

His kicking is probably better than Rocky's was (not difficult).

I'd probably agree with that. I think Rocky is/was a far more competent keeper overall, although that's not a slight on Macey as Marciano was a very good keeper for our level.

[LaMotta]

your right it was floated in and McGowan ran from just inside the box so about 12 yards to put his head on it and we have a keeper who doesn’t come out six yards to try and even punch the ball. We just have to accept that he doesn’t like coming for crosses unless it’s just under his bar.


A myth that’s growing arms and legs.

24993

I mean, surely nobody seriously thinks Macey should be expected to be out to intercept this?

[Peevemor]

24993

I mean, surely nobody seriously thinks Macey should be expected to be out to intercept this?

He could have got a punch on the ball when it arrived on the guy's head. However, he might have instructions to stay on his line in these situations.

[LaMotta]

He could have got a punch on the ball when it arrived on the guy's head. However, he might have instructions to stay on his line in these situations.

If he trys that I'm getting horrific flashbacks to Zibbi style disasters.:cb

[hibsbollah]

24993

I mean, surely nobody seriously thinks Macey should be expected to be out to intercept this?

Good job, picture tells a thousand words :agree: His positioning was fine and decision making correct against a really good ball.

[Heisenberg]

24993

I mean, surely nobody seriously thinks Macey should be expected to be out to intercept this?

A good image to use. Not a chance he should be expected to get that. Poor defending from those in front of him at fault (again).

[calumhibee1]

24993

I mean, surely nobody seriously thinks Macey should be expected to be out to intercept this?

What about the 3 yards or so the ball travelled after your screenshot?

It’s in no way a howler but by the time it lands on McGowans head it should be his imo. He’s 5ft7, 6 yards out in the centre of the goals and not had to jump for a cross that didn’t have all that much pace on it.

[LaMotta]

Good job, picture tells a thousand words :agree: His positioning was fine and decision making correct against a really good ball.


A good image to use. Not a chance he should be expected to get that. Poor defending from those in front of him at fault (again).

I'm glad you both agree:greengrin

Have to say the offcials getting off lightly here too, absolutely disgraceful decision to award them the throw.:grr:

[LaMotta]

What about the 3 yards or so the ball travelled after your screenshot?

Well the ball is moving faster than Macey possibly could, so Macey maybe makes it out 2 yards off his line in that time which changes very little.

[LaMotta]

What about the 3 yards or so the ball travelled after your screenshot?

It’s in no way a howler but by the time it lands on McGowans head it should be his imo. He’s 5ft7, 6 yards out in the centre of the goals and not had to jump for a cross that didn’t have all that much pace on it.

I agree with a lot of things you say but couldn't disagree more here:greengrin

[calumhibee1]

Well the ball is moving faster than Macey possibly could, so Macey maybe makes it out 2 yards off his line in that time which changes very little.

In what time? The time the cross comes in? I’d be surprised if Macey can only cover two yards in the time it takes for a fairly floated cross to come in.

Like I said, I don’t think it’s a howler, I just can’t see how it’s so unreasonable to think he could have come for it.

Fair enough if people think that he shouldn’t have but a lot of the defence for Macey is suggesting the idea is ludicrous which imo it’s not.

[Heisenberg]

What about the 3 yards or so the ball travelled after your screenshot?

It’s in no way a howler but by the time it lands on McGowans head it should be his imo. He’s 5ft7, 6 yards out in the centre of the goals and not had to jump for a cross that didn’t have all that much pace on it.

Gogic does his job it’s not a goal, his was mistake was an actual howler for a supposed defensive midfield player. It’s incredibly harsh to be blaming Macey for that second goal imo, whether you are saying it’s a howler or not.

[calumhibee1]

Gogic does his job it’s not a goal, his was mistake was an actual howler for a supposed defensive midfield player. It’s incredibly harsh to be blaming Macey for that second goal imo, whether you are saying it’s a howler or not.

I agree with that. Gogic has rightly been subject to much heavier criticism than Macey since Sunday as well which I think is fair.

They both could have done better to varying degrees imo.

[LaMotta]

In what time? The time the cross comes in? I’d be surprised if Macey can only cover two yards in the time it takes for a fairly floated cross to come in.

Like I said, I don’t think it’s a howler, I just can’t see how it’s so unreasonable to think he could have come for it.

Fair enough if people think that he shouldn’t have but a lot of the defence for Macey is suggesting the idea is ludicrous which imo it’s not.

In the time the ball has moved on 3 yards in the pic like you said.

I guess you mean though that he should already be further out so I can see what you are getting at, but a keeper cant always make a judgement on when to come for a cross/diagonal as soon as the ball is kicked. There needs to be some time factored in so you can work out where the ball ends up.

If a keeper gets that wrong then they certainly end up looking stupid ( eg Zibby). Imagine the reaction he'd be getting of he comes out and the ball still ends up in the net.

As Hibsbollah says this one just a really good ball, up to outfield players to match runners and deal with it IMO.

[007]

24993

I mean, surely nobody seriously thinks Macey should be expected to be out to intercept this?

Took a similar screen grab earlier so you've saved me the bother of uploading it. 🙂

[LaMotta]

Took a similar screen grab earlier so you've saved me the bother of uploading it. 🙂

:greengrin

[007]

24993

I mean, surely nobody seriously thinks Macey should be expected to be out to intercept this?


What about the 3 yards or so the ball travelled after your screenshot?

It’s in no way a howler but by the time it lands on McGowans head it should be his imo. He’s 5ft7, 6 yards out in the centre of the goals and not had to jump for a cross that didn’t have all that much pace on it.

Are you seriously still trying to argue Macey should have come out and collected that?

Even in the screenshot the ball is at a slightly lower height than you'd expect a keeper to catch or punch a cross. You're saying he should be coming out to collect crosses from amongst players when the ball is a foot lower than the top of his own head.

[Andy74]

It is fair enough deciding to stay. I think some of the crosses we’ve seen he could help out more but for me if he isn’t going to come he needs to better set to react to the header. Quite a few of them have been saveable. Has to be better at one or the other - at the moment he isn’t doing either.

[green day]

I agree with that. Gogic has rightly been subject to much heavier criticism than Macey since Sunday as well which I think is fair.

They both could have done better to varying degrees imo.

With (the greatest of) respect..................the first part of your post is correct, but the part in bold is nonsense, it was entirely Gogic fault - and that after someone showed you screen grab which shows Macey was ABSOLUTELY 100% RIGHT not to come for that cross.

While we can all have opinions, can we at least try to keep a grip on reality?

[bingo70]

Are you seriously still trying to argue Macey should have come out and collected that?

Even in the screenshot the ball is at a slightly lower height than you'd expect a keeper to catch or punch a cross. You're saying he should be coming out to collect crosses from amongst players when the ball is a foot lower than the top of his own head.

I don’t think he could have collected it but I think he could have made it more difficult for the forward.

An imposing 6ft 7 keeper flying towards him either gives him something to think about or narrows the angle. He might still have not got it but I would suggest staying on his line was a result of him not being ready or set properly to make the move forward. By staying on his line he made it very easy for the forward I think.

[bingo70]

With (the greatest of) respect..................the first part of your post is correct, but the part in bold is nonsense, it was entirely Gogic fault - and that after someone showed you screen grab which shows Macey was ABSOLUTELY 100% RIGHT not to come for that cross.

While we can all have opinions, can we at least try to keep a grip on reality?

Screen grab doesn’t really clear things up one way or the other I don’t think.

The screen shot doesn’t give any details of the flight of the ball, if Macey anticipated it, if he was caught a bit flat footed or if he was aware of what was going on in front of him.

I’m certainly leaning towards him possibly being able to do more there. I do think him doing what he did gave himself absolutely no chance of getting it though.

[Andy74]

I don’t think he could have collected it but I think he could have made it more difficult for the forward.

An imposing 6ft 7 keeper flying towards him either gives him something to think about or narrows the angle. He might still have not got it but I would suggest staying on his line was a result of him not being ready or set properly to make the move forward. By staying on his line he made it very easy for the forward I think.

The screen shot also doesn’t tell you very much at all. The ball is 5 to 6 yards out when it is eventually connected with and his feet don’t move the whole time from the ball being played tom it being in the net.

[green day]

I await the next time - when Macey goes out to collect a cross and is beaten by an opposition player - when the experts will tell us that "he should have stayed on his line".

Outside of here I have seen and heard nobody suggest that goal was Maceys fault.

This place is getting worse.

[Andy74]

I await the next time - when Macey goes out to collect a cross and is beaten by an opposition player - when the experts will tell us that "he should have stayed on his line".

Outside of here I have seen and heard nobody suggest that goal was Maceys fault.

This place is getting worse.

That’s the way it is with goalkeepers - you want to see them limit mistakes and stop goals going in. If he comes out and misses one he’ll be in the same boat as guys like Gogic who are being blamed for the goals they’ve had a part in.

It is the sensitivity to pretty normal discussion that means this place is ‘getting worse’ not the fact some people have reservations about players having watched them a number of times.

[RyeSloan]

That’s the way it is with goalkeepers - you want to see them limit mistakes and stop goals going in. If he comes out and misses one he’ll be in the same boat as guys like Gogic who are being blamed for the goals they’ve had a part in.

It is the sensitivity to pretty normal discussion that means this place is ‘getting worse’ not the fact some people have reservations about players having watched them a number of times.

There is reservations then there is pointless arguments around a goal conceded from a ball that a) no keeper in his right mind would ever be coming for and b) is well headed wide of said keeper.

We’ll await more evidence in coming weeks but I’m damn sure no one would even have mumbled a single grumble about Rocky if the exact same play happened last season.

[calumhibee1]

That’s the way it is with goalkeepers - you want to see them limit mistakes and stop goals going in. If he comes out and misses one he’ll be in the same boat as guys like Gogic who are being blamed for the goals they’ve had a part in.

It is the sensitivity to pretty normal discussion that means this place is ‘getting worse’ not the fact some people have reservations about players having watched them a number of times.

:agree:

People think Macey could have come and collected a cross = this place is getting worse, people have lost a grip on reality etc.

The reactions to very mild opinions is quite something.

[calumhibee1]

There is reservations then there is pointless arguments around a goal conceded from a ball that a) no keeper in his right mind would ever be coming for and b) is well headed wide of said keeper.

We’ll await more evidence in coming weeks but I’m damn sure no one would even have mumbled a single grumble about Rocky if the exact same play happened last season.

A) simply isn’t the case. Thousands of goalkeepers world wide would have come for that ball and collected it. Now that might not be Maceys game, but to suggest nobody would come for a floated ball on their 6 yard box that a 5ft7 striker has nodded in without jumping is really nowhere near true.

I’d agree that once he doesn’t come though that he’s never saving it. Hence why he should have.

[calumhibee1]

In the time the ball has moved on 3 yards in the pic like you said.

I guess you mean though that he should already be further out so I can see what you are getting at, but a keeper cant always make a judgement on when to come for a cross/diagonal as soon as the ball is kicked. There needs to be some time factored in so you can work out where the ball ends up.

If a keeper gets that wrong then they certainly end up looking stupid ( eg Zibby). Imagine the reaction he'd be getting of he comes out and the ball still ends up in the net.

As Hibsbollah says this one just a really good ball, up to outfield players to match runners and deal with it IMO.

I’d agree from the starting positions of everybody in your screenshot that he shouldn’t have come.

From the starting positions from when the ball is crossed in and the fact Macey doesn’t need to be glued to his line when the ball is out wide then I reckon he should have got there.

The screenshot doesn’t really tell us anything. From the screenshot you can’t see Gogic is at fault either because it doesn’t tell you anything about what’s unfolded beforehand. He could have made up 20 yards tracking back after winning 3 tackles in a row for all the screenshot tells us. Likewise it doesn’t tell us very much about whether Macey could have come or not.

[WhileTheChief..]

:agree:

People think Macey could have come and collected a cross = this place is getting worse, people have lost a grip on reality etc.

The reactions to very mild opinions is quite something.

:agree: Should drag up a few threads from our time under Calderwood or Butcher, can you imagine the reaction now?!

We all seemed to cope with different opinions just fine back then. What's changed?!

There's nothing wrong with this forum.

[tonyrougier123]

We definitely have a problem we never last season.Marciano was confident coming for the ball and macey whilst not to blame imo,has failed to save the defences blushes with crosses.
A header from Paul McGowan in the middle of the six yard box is criminal.
To all those folk happy to go the rest of the season without assertive ball winners at the back mustn’t be watching what I am.
It’s critical we sign defenders.if we have any ambition to match last season over the piece.

[J-C]

Crosses into the box comes from pi ss poor defending, stop the crosses and you'll stop the headed goals.

[007]

We definitely have a problem we never last season.Marciano was confident coming for the ball and macey whilst not to blame imo,has failed to save the defences blushes with crosses.
A header from Paul McGowan in the middle of the six yard box is criminal.
To all those folk happy to go the rest of the season without assertive ball winners at the back mustn’t be watching what I am.
It’s critical we sign defenders.if we have any ambition to match last season over the piece.

Rocky was not confident coming for the ball and I can remember that there have been several occasions I thought he could have come for crosses but stayed on his line and a goal was scored. What I don't remember is anywhere near the same level of criticism on here ever being aimed at Rocky about it afterwards as there has been towards Macey.

[calumhibee1]

Rocky was not confident coming for the ball and I can remember that there have been several occasions I thought he could have come for crosses but stayed on his line and a goal was scored. What I don't remember is anywhere near the same level of criticism on here ever being aimed at Rocky about it afterwards as there has been towards Macey.

Rocky received plenty criticism. And it was certainly at least the same level if not worse than the criticism of Macey which has really been very low level criticism.

[bingo70]

Crosses into the box comes from pi ss poor defending, stop the crosses and you'll stop the headed goals.

More than a bit simplistic.

Sometimes other teams do good things with the ball that make it very difficult to stop crosses come in.

I’ve seen some of the best teams in the world have to deal with headering crosses away, I’m positive Hibs will never get to the level where we simply won’t have to do it.

[Bangkok Hibby]

Rocky was not confident coming for the ball and I can remember that there have been several occasions I thought he could have come for crosses but stayed on his line and a goal was scored. What I don't remember is anywhere near the same level of criticism on here ever being aimed at Rocky about it afterwards as there has been towards Macey.

Criticism aside you are right what you say about Marciano. My problem with this discussion is where are the people who told me last season modern keepers leave crosses to defenders? It was an easy line to defend Marciano when people pointed out his failings but now its been turned on its head to use against Macey. I could look back through the threads and name names but can't be arsed. You know who you are.

[J-C]

More than a bit simplistic.

Sometimes other teams do good things with the ball that make it very difficult to stop crosses come in.

I’ve seen some of the best teams in the world have to deal with headering crosses away, I’m positive Hibs will never get to the level where we simply won’t have to do it.

It may sound simplistic and if the winger is just too good to stop the cross then fair enough but some of the defending from out wide is poor. McGinn seems to be getting targeted and Doig is struggling with his defending with the change of shape. If Ross wants to continue with 4231/433 the the full back areas have to be sorted and any wide men need to get back and defend.

[Mr. Wonderful]

24993

I mean, surely nobody seriously thinks Macey should be expected to be out to intercept this?

In order to catch that he'd have to have been on his 6 yard line when the ball was first hit and come out. Bearing in mind that if the boy took another touch inside he'd have been in range for a shot, that's quite an unreasonable suggestion.

Maybe Macey see's the run of McGowan and does just that but then what if the lad overhits the cross and it goes over his head?

Keepers in the right position the whole time. If Gogic follows his man goal side there's no danger. End of.

[bingo70]

In order to catch that he'd have to have been on his 6 yard line when the ball was first hit and come out. Bearing in mind that if the boy took another touch inside he'd have been in range for a shot, that's quite an unreasonable suggestion.

Maybe Macey see's the run of McGowan and does just that but then what if the lad overhits the cross and it goes over his head?

Keepers in the right position the whole time. If Gogic follows his man goal side there's no danger. End of.

He doesn’t need to catch it to stop a goal coming from it?

[RyeSloan]

A) simply isn’t the case. Thousands of goalkeepers world wide would have come for that ball and collected it. Now that might not be Maceys game, but to suggest nobody would come for a floated ball on their 6 yard box that a 5ft7 striker has nodded in without jumping is really nowhere near true.

I’d agree that once he doesn’t come though that he’s never saving it. Hence why he should have.

Well we all have our opinions…mine is that yer talking nonsense if you expect thousands of keepers world wide to come for that ball from that angle and flight.

But hey if you want your keeper to be coming for that type of ball then you crack on.

[calumhibee1]

In order to catch that he'd have to have been on his 6 yard line when the ball was first hit and come out. Bearing in mind that if the boy took another touch inside he'd have been in range for a shot, that's quite an unreasonable suggestion.

Maybe Macey see's the run of McGowan and does just that but then what if the lad overhits the cross and it goes over his head?

Keepers in the right position the whole time. If Gogic follows his man goal side there's no danger. End of.

That’ll be that then now that you’ve given us all an end of.