Scott Allan

[keep the faith]

Appreciate Jack Ross never answers questions or commits, but is there are chance he could tell us what's going on here,?
Yet again, today was his type of game and not a sniff. And that's in a side without Newall and Nisbet.
A huge waste of his talents. If there is more to it then the club should say, as it makes no sense at all at the moment.

[dastardly8]

Surely we should have had him on in the second half , can’t understand Jack Ross at times

[HH81]

I just don't think he rates Allan or believes he is good enough.

[Northernhibee]

He’s played barely any football in two to three years and I think we need to accept that the Scott Allan that we remember may not be the Scott Allan that Jack Ross is working with.

[Heisenberg]

I just don't think he rates Allan or believes he is good enough.

He definitely thought he was good enough before covid hit. He was a first pick. Since his health issues etc we’ve no idea what he’s been like and our main midfield three have been tremendous this season. That being said I would’ve had him on for Gogic at HT today.

[Alfred E Newman]

I just don't think he rates Allan or believes he is good enough.

That's not what he says.

[hibIBZ]

He has hardly played in a few seasons now. For me he is not the player that we had in the past any more and for me would not have changed anything about today.

For you would have to play him where Magennis has been playing so we would then need to play him out of position like last season. I can't see how we fit Allan in

[Weegreenman]

JR has to live or die by his decision making. Today he used Gogic against a side who’ll most likely finish bottom three.

I think most of us who know what SA brings to a game, think he would have been a better choice of player for today’s match.

Gogic will serve us well against the better sides I’d hope. Although going by today’s and his most recent performances, some might be beginning to have grave doubts.

[keep the faith]

He’s played barely any football in two to three years and I think we need to accept that the Scott Allan that we remember may not be the Scott Allan that Jack Ross is working with.

He is still a better option than drey wright man!

He got the games for inverness last year and by all accounts did well. Strolled it against stoke etc in pre season. A fit scott allan walks into this team, but clearly Ross is going for a different thing and, as a fan I find that so disappointing.

[hibIBZ]

JR has to live or die by his decision making. Today he used Gogic against a side who’ll most likely finish bottom three.

I think most of us who know what SA brings to a game, think he would have been a better choice of player for today’s match.

Gogic will serve us well against the better sides I’d hope. Although going by today’s and his most recent performances, some might be beginning to have grave doubts.

We got over run at times in midfield today, especially the first 25 mins, Allan wouldn't have stopped that happening

[Northernhibee]

He is still a better option than drey wright man!

He got the games for inverness last year and by all accounts did well. Strolled it against stoke etc in pre season. A fit scott allan walks into this team, but clearly Ross is going for a different thing and, as a fan I find that so disappointing.
Drey Wright was decent when he came on.

[Borderhibbie76]

Allan came on last week against Killie and looked unfit to me and certainly nowhere near the level we have come to expect of Scott Allan - anyone crying out for him to play today couldn't have seen him last 30 mins last week.

[jeffers]

Fully expect him to leave. Despite posters on here saying otherwise it’s clear Ross doesn’t rate him now. Not to get on today while Wright and Gullan do tells me all I need to know.

[bigwheel]

Drey Wright was decent when he came on.

Yes. Had a few decent touches ..

[Borderhibbie76]

Drey Wright was decent when he came on.

I thought so too

[lord bunberry]

If he can’t get a game today then he’s clearly not in the managers plans. We’ll never know if he’s as good as he was if he doesn’t get a chance.

[pacoluna]

He's not looked fit to be when he's Cameron, looks overweight aswell.

[bingo70]

Allan has been poor every time I’ve seen him this season, last season too actually.

If I was jack Ross I wouldn’t play him either.

Absolutely love Scott Allan and nothing but admiration for how he’s come back from his health problems, I hope he can get back to his best, I don’t think he’s there yet though.

[Coco Bryce]

The fact Scotty didn't get a chance today tells us his days are well and truly over at ER. Such a shame really.

[Liam6270]

It’s clear Ross doesn’t rate Allan But gives Gogic chance after chance, baffling

[Shrekko]

Fully expect him to leave. Despite posters on here saying otherwise it’s clear Ross doesn’t rate him now. Not to get on today while Wright and Gullan do tells me all I need to know.

On the evidence of his performance when he came on last week Scott is nowhere near where he needs to be at the moment. Just getting brushed off the ball with ease.

Jack Ross has done everything to have him as involved as possible since he arrived. Can’t understand why anyone would say otherwise.

[Weegreenman]

We got over run at times in midfield today, especially the first 25 mins, Allan wouldn't have stopped that happening

We’ll never know but surely you have to concede he’d be a better choice when in possession? Gogic consistently gave the ball away today.

[lord bunberry]

Allan has been poor every time I’ve seen him this season, last season too actually.

If I was jack Ross I wouldn’t play him either.

Absolutely love Scott Allan and nothing but admiration for how he’s come back from his health problems, I hope he can get back to his best, I don’t think he’s there yet though.
He’s only had 10 minutes here and there and last season he had a heart problem that was causing him to struggle, I’m not sure you can judge him on that. He played the ball through for Mackay in the European game that should’ve won us the game.

[bingo70]

It’s clear Ross doesn’t rate Allan But gives Gogic chance after chance, baffling

Totally different kind of players?

Nothing baffling in the slightest about it.

People seem to be wanting or expecting the Scott Allan from a few years ago, there’s been nothing to suggest he’s at that level just now.

[Borderhibbie76]

On the evidence of his performance when he came on last week Scott is nowhere near where he needs to be at the moment. Just getting brushed off the ball with ease.

Jack Ross has done everything to have him as involved as possible since he arrived. Can’t understand why anyone would say otherwise.

Just posted similar mate the keyboard managers on here crying out for him to start clearly weren't in the 5k at ER last weekend as he got 30 mins and looked so poor and not ready to me. I love Scotty as much as anyone but he's not at the levels required yet clearly

[bingo70]

He’s only had 10 minutes here and there and last season he had a heart problem that was causing him to struggle, I’m not sure you can judge him on that. He played the ball through for Mackay in the European game that should’ve won us the game.

That’s all we’ve seen of him, Jack Ross sees him every day.

If he was the player everyone seems to want him to be, he would be playing more.

[lord bunberry]

Just posted similar mate the keyboard managers on here crying out for him to start clearly weren't in the 5k at ER last weekend as he got 30 mins and looked so poor and not ready to me. I love Scotty as much as anyone but he's not at the levels required yet clearly
He didn’t get 30 minutes last week.

[jeffers]

He was poor last week but from people who were at the Arsenal game he was excellent ? He’s not going to get to where he needs to be if he’s not getting a chance. 10 minutes every 3d or 4th game isn’t going to help.

To bring Wright on again who has basically offered heehaw in his time with us says it all about Ross’ thoughts now on Scott Allan.

[Borderhibbie76]

He didn’t get 30 minutes last week.

No need to be pedantic he came on in 67th minute so got thr best part of half an hour

[jeffers]

That’s all we’ve seen of him, Jack Ross sees him every day.

If he was the player everyone seems to want him to be, he would be playing more.

Presumably he also sees Paul McGinn and Gogic every day too.

[HH81]

That's not what he says.

So why does he never get a game?

[Pretty Boy]

We were well on top in the 2nd half and created the chances to be out of sight.

Scott Allan remaining on the bench wasn't the problem today.

[easty]

What I’ve seen of him this season is a player who’s still got the brain but just isn’t fit enough.

If he goes out on loan it’ll prob be to the championship again.

[lord bunberry]

That’s all we’ve seen of him, Jack Ross sees him every day.

If he was the player everyone seems to want him to be, he would be playing more.
My point is that we’ve not seen enough of him to judge his level.

[Callum_62]

I wouldn't be shocked to see Scott leave

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[lord bunberry]

No need to be pedantic he came on in 67th minute so got thr best part of half an hour
Or he got just over 20 mins.

[jeffers]

My point is that we’ve not seen enough of him to judge his level.

Exactly where I am. Maybe he isn’t capable of reaching previous levels. But he’s got no chance of ever achieving that with a few minutes now and again.

[Borderhibbie76]

Or he got just over 20 mins.

Regardless of how long he got...he wasn't at the races

[scotia44]

Drey Wright was decent when he came on.

Aye he never fell over or got injured a huge bonus

[bingo70]

Exactly where I am. Maybe he isn’t capable of reaching previous levels. But he’s got no chance of ever achieving that with a few minutes now and again.

This isn’t boys club football. You don’t get game time just to see how you do.

He got game time last week to make an impact and looked like he was miles away from it unfortunately.

I’m not saying that’s the only chance he’ll get but when he does get opportunities he has to take them.

Same applies to young players trying to break through.

[Callum_62]

If I had to place a bet on it I'd say Scott will never be the same player he was 2 years ago and won't be surpised if he drops down a league

Again, I hope he proves me wrong

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[Highwayman]

Totally different kind of players?

Nothing baffling in the slightest about it.

People seem to be wanting or expecting the Scott Allan from a few years ago, there’s been nothing to suggest he’s at that level just now.

Agree with you.
What JR and his coaching staff are seeing in connection with Scott Allan aren’t convincing them that he should be a starter,and they’re now even reluctant to bring him off the bench.
As with Leigh Griffiths posters are thinking about Allan in his prime,and they’re both far far away from those days.
It pains me to post this as Allan at his best was a joy to watch,but I can’t see him having much of a future at ER.

[jeffers]

This isn’t boys club football. You don’t get game time just to see how you do.

He got game time last week to make an impact and looked like he was miles away from it unfortunately.

I’m not saying that’s the only chance he’ll get but when he does get opportunities he has to take them.

Same applies to young players trying to break through.

You need game time to get match fit and build momentum. It’s nothing to do with “seeing how he does.” Ross clearly has his favourites he’ll allow the opportunity to get back up to speed after being out. The evidence is that Scott Allan isn’t one of them.

[the tornadoe]

Regardless of how long he got...he wasn't at the races

Any player needs minutes ON the pitch to get match fit, if Scott never gets more than 15 or 20 in a game he will never get to the level required to start games and show what he can do.
With a full squad to pick from JR is rightly sticking with Kyle & JDH but there have been a couple of occasions season where he could have given Scott a half, Ross County second half was the perfect time 3-0 up and game won he could and should have played the second half then ..... he didn't. To me that means he is not in JR plans for whatever reason...

[B.H.F.C]

Allan needs to play to get some kind of sharpness because that’s what his game is all about. If he’s not going to play, we’d be as well letting him go because I don’t think he’s even going to be any kind of impact sub.

[bingo70]

You need game time to get match fit and build momentum. It’s nothing to do with “seeing how he does.” Ross clearly has his favourites he’ll allow the opportunity to get back up to speed after being out. The evidence is that Scott Allan isn’t one of them.

Who are his favourites?

Scott Allan had a full pre season to get fit and has been involved in matches all season including a lot of game time in pre season matches.

He’s as fit now as he’s probably going to be. I don’t think he’s been injured for ages?

[jeffers]

Allan needs to play to get some kind of sharpness because that’s what his game is all about. If he’s not going to play, we’d be as well letting him go because I don’t think he’s even going to be any kind of impact sub.

Agreed. I don’t want him to go without ever getting a proper chance, but the longer it looks like he’s not going to get that chance there is no point in keeping him. Fully expect him to be away at the end of the season if not before.

[Shrekko]

Who are his favourites?

Scott Allan had a full pre season to get fit and has been involved in matches all season including a lot of game time in pre season matches.

He’s as fit now as he’s probably going to be. I don’t think he’s been injured for ages?

The fact he was also in the starting line up in our first competitive game does not suggest that Jack Ross has any problem with him.

[CMurdoch]

Ross will never say in public how he sees players.
However, his actions always send a clear message.
Last season he sent a very clear message to Gray by effectively refusing to play him and Gray duly retired.
Mallan got the message and has left. Vela, Horgan and Kamberi were quickly eased out.

This season Gullan and Allan appear to be getting a message from him.
In Allan's case the situation is complicated by his previous health issues, not travelling to Croatia was a strange one and it was equally strange that he brought him on last weekend if he was trying to send a consistent message. However, overall I get the impression he would like him to be so desperate to play that he asks to move on, he 'reluctantly' agrees and Allan's significant wage is freed up. Unfortunately for Hibs and Ross I think Allan will sit tight and collect his money for the final year of his contract before retiring. Allan has been fighting the odds his whole career and this is almost certainly his final act at this level.

[jeffers]

Who are his favourites?

Scott Allan had a full pre season to get fit and has been involved in matches all season including a lot of game time in pre season matches.

He’s as fit now as he’s probably going to be. I don’t think he’s been injured for ages?

Newell and McGinn are two.

As I said I wasn’t at the Arsenal game but more than one person told me he was excellent that night. Were they wrong ? Also did well in a couple of other pre season games I was told.

Thought he took a knock after first Santa Coloma game ?

[MWHIBBIES]

Allan came on last week against Killie and looked unfit to me and certainly nowhere near the level we have come to expect of Scott Allan - anyone crying out for him to play today couldn't have seen him last 30 mins last week.

He looked fine. Maybe a little unfit, but also got involved and created a few chances. He cant get fit without actually playing.

[jeffers]

Ross will never say in public how he sees players.
However, his actions send a clear message.
Last season he sent a very clear message to Gray by effectively refusing to play him and Gray duly retired.
Mallan got the message and has left. Vela, Horgan and Kamberi were quickly eased out.

This season Gullan and Allan appear to be getting a message from him.
In Allan's case the situation is complicated by his previous health issues, not travelling to Croatia was a strange one and it was equally strange that he brought him on last weekend if he was trying to send a consistent message. However, overall I get the impression he would like him to be so desperate to play that he asks to move on, he 'reluctantly' agrees and Allan's significant wage is freed up. Unfortunately for Hibs and Ross I think Allan will sit tight and collect his money for the final year of his contract before retiring. Allan has been fighting the odds his whole career and this is almost certainly his final act at this level.

Agree with a lot of that except the bit about him sitting tight. I think he’ll be looking to move this season whether on loan or permanently. For all the criticism he’s received at times for being all about the money he’s consistently pushed for loan moves when he’s not been getting game time at his parent clubs. Given his health issues and the resulting missed games I don’t expect him to retire any time soon

[bingo70]

Newell and McGinn are two.

As I said I wasn’t at the Arsenal game but more than one person told me he was excellent that night. Were they wrong ? Also did well in a couple of other pre season games I was told.

Thought he took a knock after first Santa Coloma game ?

My honest opinion is yes, they were wrong. I personally don’t think he was excellent that night against Arsenal at all.

I was at the Raith game, I don’t remember him playing that night but I think he might have played?

I’m sorry, for me, he’s lost that wee burst that used to take him past players and I think he looks slow and sluggish.

Scott Allan has been getting written off his whole life, I absolutely wouldn’t bet against him coming back and proving the doubters wrong. Right now though, I think Jack Ross is right to look at other options.

Fwiw I could see Allan adjusting his game and coming back a different type of player.

[tamig]

Aye he never fell over or got injured a huge bonus

Classy response. 🙄

[bingo70]

He looked fine. Maybe a little unfit, but also got involved and created a few chances. He cant get fit without actually playing.

Why’s he looking unfit?

He’s not recovering from injury, he spent last season on loan after his heart condition, he’s had a full pre-season and he’s had lots of match time in pre-season and the early part of this season.

He’s not looking unfit, that’s just his body shape and condition now I think.

[Northernhibee]

Aye he never fell over or got injured a huge bonus

He looked to do something positive with the ball and tried to drive us forward. He gets pass marks.

[jeffers]

My honest opinion is yes, they were wrong. I personally don’t think he was excellent that night against Arsenal at all.

I was at the Raith game, I don’t remember him playing that night but I think he might have played?

I’m sorry, for me, he’s lost that wee burst that used to take him past players and I think he looks slow and sluggish.

Scott Allan has been getting written off his whole life, I absolutely wouldn’t bet against him coming back and proving the doubters wrong. Right now though, I think Jack Ross is right to look at other options.

Fwiw I could see Allan adjusting his game and coming back a different type of player.

Fair enough and a good response. I think he doesn’t look as sharp but I’ve not seen enough to know for sure. But his wee cameo against Rijeka still gives me hope.

[flash]

Newell and McGinn are two.

As I said I wasn’t at the Arsenal game but more than one person told me he was excellent that night. Were they wrong ? Also did well in a couple of other pre season games I was told.

Thought he took a knock after first Santa Coloma game ?
Newell should be one of everybody's favourites to be fair.

[hhibs]

You need game time to get match fit and build momentum. It’s nothing to do with “seeing how he does.” Ross clearly has his favourites he’ll allow the opportunity to get back up to speed after being out. The evidence is that Scott Allan isn’t one of them.


I really had not thought of that,it would go some way to explain some of JR's decisions,in game time ,some of which seem inexplicable.

[Shrekko]

Newell should be one of everybody's favourites to be fair.

I’d have hoped many would have realised that when watching the game today. To say ‘sorely missed’ would be putting it mildly.

[bingo70]

Newell should be one of everybody's favourites to be fair.

There’s times he is frustrating as he slows the tempo down a lot but it was clear today how much we missed him.

Better player than he’s given credit for (including from me at times)

[JohnM1875]

If you're not going to even feature in a game that's crying out for your talent then what's the point.

Any one of the midfield three (probably Gogic) should have made way for Allan at half time at the latest.

We're wasting our most creative player.

[Callum_62]

If you're not going to even feature in a game that's crying out for your talent then what's the point.

Any one of the midfield three (probably Gogic) should have made way for Allan at half time at the latest.

We're wasting our most creative player.

Without any changes we then went on to dominate the 2nd half and should have had the game sewn up with the chances we created



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[jeffers]

There’s times he is frustrating as he slows the tempo down a lot but it was clear today how much we missed him.

Better player than he’s given credit for (including from me at times)

My point is though that last season he was out injured for a spell and was brought straight back in when fit. I wasn’t alone in thinking he wasn’t great when he returned,but he was continually selected. The same is happening this season with McGinn, albeit we don’t have much competition for his position.

There are certain players the manager has total belief in and will allow them to play through some poor form.

[JohnM1875]

Without any changes we then went on to dominate the 2nd half and should have had the game sewn up with the chances we created



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We should have. I'm not saying we weren't the better team. We clearly were and Gogic was actually better second half. I still think Allan should be playing in these kind of games when you know the teams going to sit back and flood the midfield.

Missed chance for me.

[CMurdoch]

Agree with a lot of that except the bit about him sitting tight. I think he’ll be looking to move this season whether on loan or permanently. For all the criticism he’s received at times for being all about the money he’s consistently pushed for loan moves when he’s not been getting game time at his parent clubs. Given his health issues and the resulting missed games I don’t expect him to retire any time soon

His history does indeed indicate that Scott will be speaking to Ross and pushing for a loan move.
A loan move works for Scott because he will get to play and importantly for him, will also get all of his Hibs wage.
However, unless the loan club is making a significant contribution to his wage there is nothing in it for Hibs and that's the reason Scott will end up sitting tight.
Similarly, no way he will go anywhere on a permanent unless we pay him off so again nothing in it for Hibs if he wants paid up.
Hibs and Scott are trapped by his contract. A player on say £4k a week who no team would pay more than £1k a week for so Hibs likely to keep him as a playing option just in case he is needed.

[Pagan Hibernia]

His history does indeed indicate that Scott will be speaking to Ross and pushing for a loan move.
A loan move works for Scott because he will get to play and importantly for him, will also get all of his Hibs wage.
However, unless the loan club is making a significant contribution to his wage there is nothing in it for Hibs and that's the reason Scott will end up sitting tight.
Similarly, no way he will go anywhere on a permanent unless we pay him off so again nothing in it for Hibs if he wants paid up.
Hibs and Scott are trapped by his contract. A player on say £4k a week who no team would pay more than £1k a week for so Hibs likely to keep him as a playing option just in case he is needed.

how long is his contract?

[Cod Boy]

I have my doubts that he will still be here at the end of the window.

[JohnM1875]

His history does indeed indicate that Scott will be speaking to Ross and pushing for a loan move.
A loan move works for Scott because he will get to play and importantly for him, will also get all of his Hibs wage.
However, unless the loan club is making a significant contribution to his wage there is nothing in it for Hibs and that's the reason Scott will end up sitting tight.
Similarly, no way he will go anywhere on a permanent unless we pay him off so again nothing in it for Hibs if he wants paid up.
Hibs and Scott are trapped by his contract. A player on say £4k a week who no team would pay more than £1k a week for so Hibs likely to keep him as a playing option just in case he is needed.

I think Scott Allan staying with us is down to reasons other than his Hibs wage. Bizarre to suggest otherwise.

[CMurdoch]

how long is his contract?

This is his last season

[CMurdoch]

I think Scott Allan staying with us is down to reasons other than his Hibs wage. Bizarre to suggest otherwise.

You are replying to one post out of context hence it appears bizarre.
It is the last part of a discussion with poster Jeffers.
If you look back in the thread you will see the earlier parts of the conversation between us and hopefully that will allow you to add something meaningful to the discussion.

[jacomo]

My honest opinion is yes, they were wrong. I personally don’t think he was excellent that night against Arsenal at all.

I was at the Raith game, I don’t remember him playing that night but I think he might have played?

I’m sorry, for me, he’s lost that wee burst that used to take him past players and I think he looks slow and sluggish.

Scott Allan has been getting written off his whole life, I absolutely wouldn’t bet against him coming back and proving the doubters wrong. Right now though, I think Jack Ross is right to look at other options.

Fwiw I could see Allan adjusting his game and coming back a different type of player.


Yes I do wonder if he could play a bit deeper, perhaps as a direct replacement for Newell yesterday.

Scott is not much of a tackler but he has shown he can close down opponents effectively and he reads the game well.

[Hibiza]

Scotty Just a fantastic player. Why anyone would wish him away is beyond me.

[Dalkeith Boy]

He’s played barely any football in two to three years and I think we need to accept that the Scott Allan that we remember may not be the Scott Allan that Jack Ross is working with.

Excellent description of what might be the case. Hopefully Scott can somehow get his mojo back!

[I'm_cabbaged]

He's not looked fit to be when he's Cameron, looks overweight aswell.

He should try being Messi instead of Cameron then!! 😂

[Eyrie]

He should try being Messi instead of Cameron then!! ��

I'm not sure anyone ever aspired to being Ian Cameron.

Think he was a Duffy signing?

[Phil MaGlass]

To be honest, I like SA, but, I dont think he will be here by the end of the season, he is hardly playing, been out too long, I think for him a move is best.

[Unseen work]

If we released Scotty or he became a free agent I would put money on Aberdeen snapping him up.

Everyone knows how good a player he can be on his day, we should be doing everything we can to get him back to that level.

In fairness, he started the season as the first pick in the role behind the striker.

A red card in the first game meant he was subbed and Magennis brought on who done very well. Allan was then injured for the next game.

Magennis continued to perform well.

Allan then couldn’t travel to our away leg in Europe.

He can’t have any arguments yet as Magennis has been doing very well. Against Dundee he was never getting on whilst we were winning 2-1, Ross always goes for the safe approach at this score which is fair enough.

Once he gets his chance he needs to take it.

[Greenworld]

Scotty Just a fantastic player. Why anyone would wish him away is beyond me.I think the thing is he was a brilliant player. [emoji122] now just not got the pace for some reason . I'm sure the reason he does not play is in training the other midfielders are fitter and quicker. He will get caught on the ball.
Loved the guy but a move away might be best [emoji108] there is no way another contract will be offered .

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[HendoDelivered]

I think the thing is he was a brilliant player. [emoji122] now just not got the pace for some reason . I'm sure the reason he does not play is in training the other midfielders are fitter and quicker. He will get caught on the ball.
Loved the guy but a move away might be best [emoji108] there is no way another contract will be offered .

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[Hibernian Verse]

Was there not talk of a new contract last week?

I'm sure we could have loaned him out to Inverness again if we really wanted which suggests he's part of Jack Ross' plans. I think he'll play a bit part role, but a role none the less.

[Inconsequential]

I'm not sure anyone ever aspired to being Ian Cameron.

Think he was a Duffy signing? It was actually Alex Miller that signed Ian Cameron along with Brian Welsh. Pre-season quality signings! :wink:

[Logie Green]

It was actually Alex Miller that signed Ian Cameron along with Brian Welsh. Pre-season quality signings! :wink:

Indeed. From memory they signed the day before the first league game of the season and needed a wee bit time to ‘bed in’. Not sure either of them reached that goal though.

Brian Welsh was like watching Bambi on drugs.

[BILLYHIBS]

It was actually Alex Miller that signed Ian Cameron along with Brian Welsh. Pre-season quality signings! :wink:
Swapped David Farrell and Gareth Evans for Cameron ( Partick Thistle)

Dearie me

[Stevie Reid]

Indeed. From memory they signed the day before the first league game of the season and needed a wee bit time to ‘bed in’. Not sure either of them reached that goal though.

Brian Welsh was like watching Bambi on drugs.

I was delighted when we signed Welsh, had looked impressive coming through at Utd, and we spent a fair amount of cash on him, IIRC. Pretty sure he also claimed that we mismanaged an injury that affected him very badly.

[percy veer]

Swapped David Farrell and Gareth Evans for Cameron ( Partick Thistle)

Dearie me

Think he missed a sitter against hearts always stuck in my mind with the purple carlsberg strip

[ekhibee]

It was actually Alex Miller that signed Ian Cameron along with Brian Welsh. Pre-season quality signings! :wink:

I can't even remember Cameron. Welsh was pish, I remember him right enough.

[cabbageandribs1875]

he looked a tad podgy in the photo i saw of him at training the other day, shame a great wee footballer

[thebausburst]

Will be amazed if Allan is not away before the window closes. Agree with comments that, sadly, Scotty is not likely to get a new deal, especially as Jack shows little appetite to play him.

[Mr. Wonderful]

he looked a tad podgy in the photo i saw of him at training the other day, shame a great wee footballer

Highly doubt that, given that a mere 4 weeks ago he was looking the most stacked I've seen him.

[Smartie]

I was delighted when we signed Welsh, had looked impressive coming through at Utd, and we spent a fair amount of cash on him, IIRC. Pretty sure he also claimed that we mismanaged an injury that affected him very badly.

I remember being very disappointed with Welsh, because I also thought he looked like an excellent player at United.

[Baader]

I remember being very disappointed with Welsh, because I also thought he looked like an excellent player at United.

Was mostly injured for us and not very good. Looked better when Mcleish came in but we were going down by that point, left Eck's appointment too late.

Welsh later sued the club doctor for injections given to him during his spell with us. Think it was settled out of court. He founded and co-owns a football club in Virginia now.

[ahibby]

I remember being very disappointed with Welsh, because I also thought he looked like an excellent player at United.

But he came to us with a bad injury. Actually Jacie Mac asked me who I would like to see coming in. I said Brian Welsh. Jackie said we can get him and soon after we had him signed. Good player but was carrying an injury from his Utd days, meaning he played like one game then missed five or thats how it feels now. Scored a last ditch goal at East End park after many Hibs fans had gone to their buses it was so late. That game Hibs took the largest away suppirt to Dunfermline that season, it was a record which lasted one week when Celtic took a hundred or so more.

[Stevie Reid]

But he came to us with a bad injury. Actually Jacie Mac asked me who I would like to see coming in. I said Brian Welsh. Jackie said we can get him and soon after we had him signed. Good player but was carrying an injury from his Utd days, meaning he played like one game then missed five or thats how it feels now. Scored a last ditch goal at East End park after many Hibs fans had gone to their buses it was so late. That game Hibs took the largest away suppirt to Dunfermline that season, it was a record which lasted one week when Celtic took a hundred or so more.

I remember that game, was a huge support. Was still there when we scored, goal was up at the far end and the ball appeared to have been cleared off the line, took a few seconds to realise that it had been given.

Kept us alive for another little while.

[loanheadhibby]

I remember that game, was a huge support. Was still there when we scored, goal was up at the far end and the ball appeared to have been cleared off the line, took a few seconds to realise that it had been given.

Kept us alive for another little while.

I remember that day well. Massive support. Big Welsh was a very good player, sadly blighted by previously mentioned injuries.

[Fergos]

But he came to us with a bad injury. Actually Jacie Mac asked me who I would like to see coming in. I said Brian Welsh. Jackie said we can get him and soon after we had him signed. Good player but was carrying an injury from his Utd days, meaning he played like one game then missed five or thats how it feels now. Scored a last ditch goal at East End park after many Hibs fans had gone to their buses it was so late. That game Hibs took the largest away suppirt to Dunfermline that season, it was a record which lasted one week when Celtic took a hundred or so more.

Remember that game well. Bright sunny day and a fairly poor Hibs team.

I’m sure that’s when Dougie Cromb was running the £1 buses from ER to all the away games in an effort to keep us up.

GGTTH

[Phil MaGlass]

Welshy was a good player, used to play fitba with him up Clerie in his younger days, he :agree:hated it when I could do mair keepie uppies than him.
He was a really polite guy tae.

[Mutu]

How did Allan do today?

[JimBHibees]

How did Allan do today?

Set up the second with a brilliant back heel. Thought he did well.

[B.H.F.C]

How did Allan do today?

Hardly touched the ball for half an hour. Last 15 I thought he showed some really nice touches. Good assist.

[bingo70]

Hardly touched the ball for half an hour. Last 15 I thought he showed some really nice touches,

There’s definitely a difference to his game and it’ll maybe take fans and him a bit time to adjust to the difference.

I doubted him earlier in this thread and after 30 minutes on the park I was all set for an I told you so post on here (I wouldn’t really), but then as you say the last 15 minutes he had a number of decent contributions.

I don’t think he’ll be bursting past players the way he used to but in the right times in the right games he’ll still be able to contribute.

[Mutu]

Hardly touched the ball for half an hour. Last 15 I thought he showed some really nice touches. Good assist.

I see him as being a perfect impact sub for the last 30 mins of a game.

Nice to see him grab an assist.

[Since452]

Delightful wee ball to Boyle. Great sub to have.

[weecounty hibby]

Took a while to get into it but did OK overall. Great flick for the 2nd goal

[lord bunberry]

He was the only player on the pitch that would have tried that back heel. He took a while to get going, but when he did he showed he’s still got it. If he could get a run of games I think he’ll show he’s still one of the best players at the club.

[Since452]

Took a while to get into it but did OK overall. Great flock for the 2nd goal

We were playing Livingston today not Aberdeen

[B.H.F.C]

There’s definitely a difference to his game and it’ll maybe take fans and him a bit time to adjust to the difference.

I doubted him earlier in this thread and after 30 minutes on the park I was all set for an I told you so post on here (I wouldn’t really), but then as you say the last 15 minutes he had a number of decent contributions.

I don’t think he’ll be bursting past players the way he used to but in the right times in the right games he’ll still be able to contribute.

I think part of that might be that he just doesn’t have the sharpness through not playing. But I do agree to an extent.

He set Doyle-Hayes up for a couple of shots with what looked like really simple passes but he just weighted them perfectly and showed a bit of composure when we were lacking that.

[wookie70]

He was the only player on the pitch that would have tried that back heel. He took a while to get going, but when he did he showed he’s still got it. If he could get a run of games I think he’ll show he’s still one of the best players at the club.

Thought he did well the last 15 but looked very slow and never really got involved for the first 30 mins or so. I think Nisbet, Boyle and Murphy have that type of skill and Magennis shows brilliant touches multiple times again. It was a good assist but there was a similar situation a little while earlier and I thought Allan actually done the defending for Livi getting in Boyles way. Good that he made a contribution and he might get more opportunity with Murphy out as you couldn't play both given how poor they are without the ball. Jack Ross moved the formation and personnel well to allow Scottie that free roll.

[Hibbyradge]

I'll be surprised if he's still here next week.

[Hibs90]

Thought he did well the last 15 but looked very slow and never really got involved for the first 30 mins or so. I think Nisbet, Boyle and Murphy have that type of skill and Magennis shows brilliant touches multiple times again. It was a good assist but there was a similar situation a little while earlier and I thought Allan actually done the defending for Livi getting in Boyles way. Good that he made a contribution and he might get more opportunity with Murphy out as you couldn't play both given how poor they are without the ball. Jack Ross moved the formation and personnel well to allow Scottie that free roll.

Bacon or sausage?

[lord bunberry]

I'll be surprised if he's still here next week.
I will be surprised if he isn’t.

[CMurdoch]

Brought on as player 12 by the manager so not nearly as far in the desert as David Gray was last season.
Teeing him up to leave or is he still in the picture. Will be an interesting few days.
Must say I am not his greatest fan as a player but I was delighted that he came on rather than Gogic.

[Tricla]

We were playing Livingston today not Aberdeen

Can't baaalieve nobody's got that yew?

[Hibernian Verse]

Can't baaalieve nobody's got that yew?

That’s a baaaaad joke.

[Pagan Hibernia]

still a huge asset to us. Pure class when he’s on form.

if he leaves, now or next year, I’ll wish him the very best but I’ll be gutted.

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

He was the only player on the pitch that would have tried that back heel. He took a while to get going, but when he did he showed he’s still got it. If he could get a run of games I think he’ll show he’s still one of the best players at the club.


That's what you get with Scott Allan. 9/10 a lot of his fancy tricks don't come off but when they do, it inevitably ends up with a goal.

[wookie70]

That's what you get with Scott Allan. 9/10 a lot of his fancy tricks don't come off but when they do, it inevitably ends up with a goal.

Not always for us though

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

Not always for us though

Fair point. His mis placed passes could end with an opposition goal. I guess when you play on the edge it can work both ways.

[FilipinoHibs]

Lack of match sharpness showed but eventually got into the game and showed some nice touches and the back heel for the goal was sublime.

[vahibbie]

I'll be surprised if he's still here next week.

he will deffo be here next week. Sublime backheeler for our second goal, Scott’s still got it and deserves a run of games.

[Jim44]

I'll be surprised if he's still here next week.

Of his own volition or moved on by us?

[coldingham hibs]

he will deffo be here next week. Sublime backheeler for our second goal, Scott’s still got it and deserves a run of games.

Who would you leave out to give Allan a run of games?.

Waste of a jersey 90% of the time he is on the pitch so we’d effectively be playing with 10 men most of the game.

Allan was decent a few years ago but is nowhere near where he needs to be now. I can’t see him being at Hibs after this transfer window for his & Hibs benefit.

[Since90+2]

Who would you leave out to give Allan a run of games?.

Waste of a jersey 90% of the time he is on the pitch so we’d effectively be playing with 10 men most of the game.

Allan was decent a few years ago but is nowhere near where he needs to be now. I can’t see him being at Hibs after this transfer window for his & Hibs benefit.

He's not a waste of a jersey 90% of the time he's on the pitch. That's just ridiculously harsh.

[Tricla]

Who would you leave out to give Allan a run of games?.

Waste of a jersey 90% of the time he is on the pitch so we’d effectively be playing with 10 men most of the game.

Allan was decent a few years ago but is nowhere near where he needs to be now. I can’t see him being at Hibs after this transfer window for his & Hibs benefit.

Pish

[Centre Hawf]

The amount of stick Scott Allan seems to be increasingly getting week on week is weird.

[flash]

Who would you leave out to give Allan a run of games?.

Waste of a jersey 90% of the time he is on the pitch so we’d effectively be playing with 10 men most of the game.

Allan was decent a few years ago but is nowhere near where he needs to be now. I can’t see him being at Hibs after this transfer window for his & Hibs benefit.
Your first sentence was a fair question. Some of the other stuff is a bit unnecessary particularly given the reason for him struggling a bit.

[Northernhibee]

He’s still capable of the absolutely sublime but the rest of his game appears to have understandably deteriorated. Whether that returns if he gets more game time I have no idea but this Hibs side is hard working and mobile and at this moment in time his play doesn’t fit in to what we do.

It’s worth noting that the much maligned Drey Wright also set up a goal with a beautiful back heel earlier in the season and that’s where I see Scott’s playing time - fifteen to twenty minutes here and there when a key player needs replaced or protected.

If Scott is happy with that then I’m happy to have him here (though his wage would need to reflect that if he was to stay beyond his contact).

If he’s not then I will look back on his time with Hibs with dozens of incredible memories that he’s given us. It’s been a joy at times and I wish him nothing but the best either way.

[Shrekko]

The amount of stick Scott Allan seems to be increasingly getting week on week is weird.

He very rarely gets ‘stick’ compared to most other players - let’s be 100 percent clear about that.

I think the argument going on is that a lot of Scott’s biggest supporters keep saying he ‘deserves’ a run of games and a lot of people quite rightly think that he should be treated the same as others and play himself back in by showing up well when he gets the chance.

Personally I’ve always liked him but not seen anything YET that would merit him being ahead of Magennis, JDH or Newell. Could happen, but to me the signs haven’t been too great - although his moment of magic yesterday shows what a very useful guy he is for us to have around.

[Brightside]

He won’t be starting if we have a full squad. Still a place for him in the squad though.

[JohnM1875]

The amount of stick Scott Allan seems to be increasingly getting week on week is weird.

Don't think Allan gets stick really. He literally played a square pass 10 yards out wide just after he came on and most of the stadium clapped it.

The fans love the guy and I'm sure he knows it!

[Shrekko]

Don't think Allan gets stick really. He literally played a square pass 10 yards out wide just after he came on and most of the stadium clapped it.

The fans love the guy and I'm sure he knows it!

He’s said many times he knows the Hibs fans love him and let him off with a lot. Not many players have been able to say that in recent times😀

[Centre Hawf]

He very rarely gets ‘stick’ compared to most other players - let’s be 100 percent clear about that.

I think the argument going on is that a lot of Scott’s biggest supporters keep saying he ‘deserves’ a run of games and a lot of people quite rightly think that he should be treated the same as others and play himself back in by showing up well when he gets the chance.

Personally I’ve always liked him but not seen anything YET that would merit him being ahead of Magennis, JDH or Newell. Could happen, but to me the signs haven’t been too great - although his moment of magic yesterday shows what a very useful guy he is for us to have around.

I think it's more on here the few folk been quite overly critical of him. Someone earlier suggested having him in the team is like playing with 10 men. Where has this myth all of a sudden come from?

I think like any player that's coming back from injury (or a severe health scare like his) deserves a chance to get back to sharpness and the fitness levels required through play time when its available, I think yesterday was the longest he's played so far this season and he got an assist with a lovely back heel. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out a player can't get back to their best with cameo appearances.

[keep the faith]

Who would you leave out to give Allan a run of games?.

Waste of a jersey 90% of the time he is on the pitch so we’d effectively be playing with 10 men most of the game.

Allan was decent a few years ago but is nowhere near where he needs to be now. I can’t see him being at Hibs after this transfer window for his & Hibs benefit.

Terrible post. Allan is still feeling his way back in but he is always contributing. Last season you could argue magennis didnt look up to it. He just needed a run of games and confidence. And that was after injury. Try a life threatening heart condition.
Mon Scott Allan. The majority are right behind you!

[JimBHibees]

Who would you leave out to give Allan a run of games?.

Waste of a jersey 90% of the time he is on the pitch so we’d effectively be playing with 10 men most of the game.

Allan was decent a few years ago but is nowhere near where he needs to be now. I can’t see him being at Hibs after this transfer window for his & Hibs benefit.

Horrific post

[J-C]

Horrific post


You do sometimes wonder about some of these posters and where their loyalties lie, no real supporter would say such things.

[04Sauzee]

Who would you leave out to give Allan a run of games?.

Waste of a jersey 90% of the time he is on the pitch so we’d effectively be playing with 10 men most of the game.

Allan was decent a few years ago but is nowhere near where he needs to be now. I can’t see him being at Hibs after this transfer window for his & Hibs benefit.
Cheers for that Pep

[JimBHibees]

You do sometimes wonder about some of these posters and where their loyalties lie, no real supporter would say such things.

Yep think only a Hearts can't would come out with pish like that.

[Iggy Pope]

Of his own volition or moved on by us?

From where he’s sitting he won’t have a clue! It’s a Hibbyradge thought and no more than that. He has some lovely ones mind but this isn’t one of them.

[Jim44]

From where he’s sitting he won’t have a clue! It’s a Hibbyradge thought and no more than that. He has some lovely ones mind but this isn’t one of them.

From where I’m sitting, I don’t have a clue either, but I would have thought that most of us Hibby’s would expect Scott to be with us when the window closes. Hibbyradge’s use of ‘surprised’ suggests he knows something others don’t but I think it’s waffle. He doesn’t even try to explain why he would be ‘surprised’. He might now, tho’. :greengrin

[Hibbyradge]

From where I’m sitting, I don’t have a clue either, but I would have thought that most of us Hibby’s would expect Scott to be with us when the window closes. Hibbyradge’s use of ‘surprised’ suggests he knows something others don’t but I think it’s waffle. He doesn’t even try to explain why he would be ‘surprised’. He might now, tho’. :greengrin

Apologies for not being online to reply to your urgent question! :na na:

It's not waffle, it's a genuine comment. I'll be surprised if he's still here. No more, no less than that.

I'll be surprised because I don't think we can afford to have a player on our books who we're only going to use for less than a quarter of the game.

Also, others have suggested that he's looking for a move himself.

[Alfred E Newman]

You do sometimes wonder about some of these posters and where their loyalties lie, no real supporter would say such things.

If you can be bothered trawling back through their posts you'll probably find that they were among those people who were saying Magennis was a waste of money.

[Iggy Pope]

Apologies for not being online to reply to your urgent question! :na na:

It's not waffle, it's a genuine comment. I'll be surprised if he's still here. No more, no less than that.

I'll be surprised because I don't think we can afford to have a player on our books who we're only going to use for less than a quarter of the game.

Also, others have suggested that he's looking for a move himself.

Who?

[Hibbyradge]

Who?

Jeffers on the PM board.

[Jim44]

Apologies for not being online to reply to your urgent question! :na na:

It's not waffle, it's a genuine comment. I'll be surprised if he's still here. No more, no less than that.

I'll be surprised because I don't think we can afford to have a player on our books who we're only going to use for less than a quarter of the game.

Also, others have suggested that he's looking for a move himself.

Fair enough. Given SA’s medical condition and what he’s been through recently, I won’t be surprised if the two parties don’t reach a compromise to keep him at ER in a capacity which is beneficial to both. I think he’ll be with us for the foreseeable future. I’m not so sure that he is looking for a route out of ER as you suggest some are saying. Anyway, we’ll know in a day or two.

[wookie70]

He’s still capable of the absolutely sublime but the rest of his game appears to have understandably deteriorated. Whether that returns if he gets more game time I have no idea but this Hibs side is hard working and mobile and at this moment in time his play doesn’t fit in to what we do.

It’s worth noting that the much maligned Drey Wright also set up a goal with a beautiful back heel earlier in the season and that’s where I see Scott’s playing time - fifteen to twenty minutes here and there when a key player needs replaced or protected.

If Scott is happy with that then I’m happy to have him here (though his wage would need to reflect that if he was to stay beyond his contact).

If he’s not then I will look back on his time with Hibs with dozens of incredible memories that he’s given us. It’s been a joy at times and I wish him nothing but the best either way.


That is pretty much where I am too. He looks absolutely miles off it to me. Like a George Best type figure(obviously nowhere near as good) who is still capable of a flick or trick or defence splitting pass. His football brain is still the same, which for me is a pity as he often plays a more difficult ball than needed when an equally advantageous ball is on and much easier. He can do that because he seems to get great credit for seeing a pass even though he gives the ball away playing it. That to me is why he keeps trying it, Hibs fans seem to only remember his good passes. I have always hoped he would play the odds a little more wisely and often as he gained games but no sign of that.

I think 90% is very harsh in terms of a man short but he has always been poor when we don't have the ball and is even worse now. We already have Murphy who is like a man short when we don't have the ball so I can't see how you could play them together. Murphy being out is a chance for Scottie so he may well prove me and others wrong.

The thing that rings truest in your post is how hard working this Hibs team is(I'd except Murphy myself). It is very unusual for fans to point to a player not putting a shift in these days. Nisbet, Doidge, Magennis, Boyle all work hard and Doyle-Hayes and Newall all dynamos combine that with fullbacks who go up and down with the ball and we are very mobile and fit. Murphy is our bit of magic and he is in form. Id much rather play him than Allan but I'm hoping Scott can fill that roll and give us even more legs and retain the quality on the ball.

Allan is definitely a useful squad player but he is likely one of our higher earners. If he signs a new contract I would hope it reflects that he is at that level now. Mind you he might get some games with Murphy potentially out and that could force him into Jacks's plans even when we are injury free. I can't see it based on what we have seen so far since his return.

[jeffers]

Anyone who has paid the slightest bit of attention to my posts will know I’m a huge Scott Allan fan. I was delighted when he came on yesterday. I thought he did OK, but no more than that until his flick to Boyle. However I personally thought he was too advanced, I’d like to have seen him playing a bit deeper and being given the opportunity to pick a pass.

I’d heard suggestions beforehand that he was carrying a bit of extra weight, but I didn’t think so watching him yesterday, however he just didn’t look right to me. Can’t be specific but just didn’t look 100%. I still hope he just needs regular game time to get back to somewhere close to his previous levels. If not with us, sadly, then another team as is looking more likely. I will repeat myself by saying I don’t see him as an impact sub, he needs, certainly at present, time to play himself into a game.

[SMAXXA]

As much as I love SA and clearly all the Hibs fans do, I honestly don’t think it would make a huge difference to us if he was to leave. He would invariably move to a club not as good as us and as much as I’d me gutted to see him go that’s probably more emotional than practical. He’s got a job to do in our squad this season and would defo contribute a lot but suspect he doesn’t want to be that player playing a supporting role and I can’t blame him for that. It’s a shame as the international break couldn’t have come at a worse time for him and even with the derby I can’t see him starting. Don’t expect him to leave this window but wouldn’t rule it out January if he isn’t playing.

[coldingham hibs]

Cheers for that Pep

Your welcome, I didn’t realise we stopped people having opinions unless they matched yours, but it’s good to know that now.

[wookie70]

As much as I love SA and clearly all the Hibs fans do, I honestly don’t think it would make a huge difference to us if he was to leave. He would invariably move to a club not as good as us and as much as I’d me gutted to see him go that’s probably more emotional than practical. He’s got a job to do in our squad this season and would defo contribute a lot but suspect he doesn’t want to be that player playing a supporting role and I can’t blame him for that. It’s a shame as the international break couldn’t have come at a worse time for him and even with the derby I can’t see him starting. Don’t expect him to leave this window but wouldn’t rule it out January if he isn’t playing.

Unlikely he will start given he has only played a total of 93 league minutes since he came back from his heart condition and about half of them were yesterday. It was January he made his comeback so if he isn't fit now I'm not sure he ever will be. He looked much heavier than he was previously to me and he has lost his turn of speed. That isn't sharpness that is just losing a bit of the advantage he previously had. I'm not blaming him for that as it is admirable he has managed to get back to playing in the top league.

When you look at his form before the injury it was dropping off after a very promising start to the season. He had been scoring goals and also chipping in regularly with assists and good minutes on the park. It fell away a good while before he eventually had to stop for his health.

I suppose the question is can he get back to that form. I can't see it but hope he proves me wrong. It won't be easy though as we have a strong starting 11 with a likely starter coming in a few months and possibly one or two to come in before the window slams shut

[coldingham hibs]

Horrific post

Horrific in what way?.

I responded to a suggestion that Allan gets a run of games and asked who would be dropped.

Some people need to take their Scott Allan blinkers off.

The guy has done remarkably well considering his health issues but we are talking about performances on the park. If we have any ambition as a club then we have to look at the big picture. Would anyone on here even consider starting Allan against Hearts?, if not then that says it all.

[Pagan Hibernia]

Horrific in what way?.

I responded to a suggestion that Allan gets a run of games and asked who would be dropped.

Some people need to take their Scott Allan blinkers off.

The guy has done remarkably well considering his health issues but we are talking about performances on the park. If we have any ambition as a club then we have to look at the big picture. Would anyone on here even consider starting Allan against Hearts?, if not then that says it all.

I’d be absolutely fine with that.

[J-C]

Horrific in what way?.

I responded to a suggestion that Allan gets a run of games and asked who would be dropped.

Some people need to take their Scott Allan blinkers off.

The guy has done remarkably well considering his health issues but we are talking about performances on the park. If we have any ambition as a club then we have to look at the big picture. Would anyone on here even consider starting Allan against Hearts?, if not then that says it all.


The lad had a serious heart condition that could've stopped his whole career and even affected his health, he's under contract and we as a club have a duty to look after him whilst under that contract. He missed a lot of football due to all this and he's doing his best to get back to the levels we know he can reach, will he ever get back there again, we don't know but as long as he's here we can at least get him back on the pitch and contribute one way or another as either a starter or a sub.

[LeithMike]

Anyone who has paid the slightest bit of attention to my posts will know I’m a huge Scott Allan fan. I was delighted when he came on yesterday. I thought he did OK, but no more than that until his flick to Boyle. However I personally thought he was too advanced, I’d like to have seen him playing a bit deeper and being given the opportunity to pick a pass.

I’d heard suggestions beforehand that he was carrying a bit of extra weight, but I didn’t think so watching him yesterday, however he just didn’t look right to me. Can’t be specific but just didn’t look 100%. I still hope he just needs regular game time to get back to somewhere close to his previous levels. If not with us, sadly, then another team as is looking more likely. I will repeat myself by saying I don’t see him as an impact sub, he needs, certainly at present, time to play himself into a game.Agree that he was too advanced. He was playing up level with the striker most of the time. He looked like he wanted to drop deep to pick up the ball but seemed to stick with what he'd been told. He did seem to look across at the bench quizically a few times though. It was a good sub though as it would have been a real blow to him if McKay came on instead of him.

He certainly looked fit during his warm-up and as his game has never really been about pace, I dont see why he doesnt have something to offer and wouldnt be writing him off. If we stick with 4-5-1 then he definitely remains an option as an attacking midfielder.


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[MWHIBBIES]

Don't see why Scott Allan wouldn't want a supporting role. He wasted 4 years at Celtic for the money, pretty sure he'll be happy contributing and getting a good wage here for another year.

The theory of him leaving is based on nothing really. Jamie Gullan is an example of someone who will be away, hes not kicked a ball. Allan has already played 5 matches this season.

[madhatter]

I think Scott Allan looked the closest to his old self yesterday. Moved more freely (looked fitter or had less weight on his mind whichever it might be).

Don't think he'd start before Magennis and JDH most weeks but more than ample competition for Newell and Gogic.

If he leaves then all the best to him. Can't see it though as I think he'll want to enjoy the remaining years of football and feel loved by the fans.

[shetlandhibee]

I think Scott Allan looked the closest to his old self yesterday. Moved more freely (looked fitter or had less weight on his mind whichever it might be).

Don't think he'd start before Magennis and JDH most weeks but more than ample competition for Newell and Gogic.

If he leaves then all the best to him. Can't see it though as I think he'll want to enjoy the remaining years of football and feel loved by the fans.:top marks

[SMAXXA]

I think Scott Allan looked the closest to his old self yesterday. Moved more freely (looked fitter or had less weight on his mind whichever it might be).

Don't think he'd start before Magennis and JDH most weeks but more than ample competition for Newell and Gogic.

If he leaves then all the best to him. Can't see it though as I think he'll want to enjoy the remaining years of football and feel loved by the fans.

No for me Scott wants to play after what could have ended his career hope it’s with us if not he goes with all our best

[heretoday]

We should empty Scott I'm afraid. Far too lightweight for the premier league. I love the guy but......................

[Centre Hawf]

Horrific in what way?.

I responded to a suggestion that Allan gets a run of games and asked who would be dropped.

Some people need to take their Scott Allan blinkers off.

The guy has done remarkably well considering his health issues but we are talking about performances on the park. If we have any ambition as a club then we have to look at the big picture. Would anyone on here even consider starting Allan against Hearts?, if not then that says it all.

I have no issue with starting Allan in that game at all. If anything I want to see him given the chance in it.

[Since452]

We are a worse side when Scott is in it. That's the sad truth. Drey Wright got slaughtered by some and he was much better than Allan when he came on.

[J-C]

We are a worse side when Scott is in it. That's the sad truth. Drey Wright got slaughtered by some and he was much better than Allan when he came on.

Amazing we actually managed to win on Saturday when he played, oh and his fluke back heel for the 2nd

[Hibernian Verse]

Amazing we actually managed to win on Saturday when he played, oh and his fluke back heel for the 2nd

I think what he is getting at is when we are out of possession it's like playing with 10 men. With the ball, Allan is fine and it was a nice flick.

[Smartie]

We are a worse side when Scott is in it. That's the sad truth. Drey Wright got slaughtered by some and he was much better than Allan when he came on.

That's very much like comparing apples and oranges though.

Both players did the job that they were there to do whilst maybe not being at their very best. Both will also benefit from having had some time on the pitch and my main criticism of the pair of them would be that they both looked - understandably - a bit rusty.

I thought we looked a better side after Scott Allan went on, and I thought we looked a bit tighter defensively on our left when Wright came on.

[Lago]

It will be cameo appearances for Scott from now on if he stays.

[SHODAN]

Is everyone just ignoring the backheel assist?

[Shrekko]

Is everyone just ignoring the backheel assist?

You feel it’s not been mentioned enough?

I’m somewhere in the middle on the whole debate as I’d love him to get back to where he was - I’m not seeing a lot of hope but am willing him to get there.

However … those advocating he starts at Tynie… dearie me- cmon.

[J-C]

Are some of you guys forgetting he had a serious heart condition and we're lucky he's able to play at all. He missed a huge chunk of football and if all we get from him is the odd half here and there then I'm fine with that.

[Iggy Pope]

Jeffers on the PM board.

Reads a lot like Jeffers thoughts on the matter rather than anything he knows.

[660]

Allan could take a nap in the centre circle and the fans would give him a standing ovation. He’s been crap since he returned. I have no idea what people see in him.

[Lewiehas2]

I think what he is getting at is when we are out of possession it's like playing with 10 men. With the ball, Allan is fine and it was a nice flick.

Off the ball isn't just winning tackles. Scott's pressing was unbelievable on Saturday, constantly chasing down defenders and not giving their midfielders a minutes peace.

Up until the back heel, didn't think he contributed much on the ball (but we didn't necessarily play through him either), but to suggest he's like a man down isn't right, he worked his socks off.

[flash]

Allan could take a nap in the centre circle and the fans would give him a standing ovation. He’s been crap since he returned. I have no idea what people see in him.

Ooh look at me.

[Mon Dieu4]

Allan could take a nap in the centre circle and the fans would give him a standing ovation. He’s been crap since he returned. I have no idea what people see in him.

Depends what you want in a footballer, there is room in a team for all types, Latapy, Riordan, Zemmama could all have quiet games and get accused of being lazy but the one bit of outrageous play they come up with can win you a game, that's why I watch football, not to see 11 folk that can run and run all day and play football like painting by numbers

[Libby Hibby]

I think a few of us are forgetting SA’s back heel assist on Saturday.

[keep the faith]

Allan could take a nap in the centre circle and the fans would give him a standing ovation. He’s been crap since he returned. I have no idea what people see in him.

Enjoy Gogic....

[Peevemor]

I think a few of us are forgetting SA’s back heel assist on Saturday.I doubt it, given that it's mentioned at less than 2 hour intervals.

[jeffers]

Reads a lot like Jeffers thoughts on the matter rather than anything he knows.

Oh does it.

[Iggy Pope]

Apologies for not being online to reply to your urgent question! :na na:

It's not waffle, it's a genuine comment. I'll be surprised if he's still here. No more, no less than that.

I'll be surprised because I don't think we can afford to have a player on our books who we're only going to use for less than a quarter of the game.

Also, others have suggested that he's looking for a move himself.


Anyone who has paid the slightest bit of attention to my posts will know I’m a huge Scott Allan fan. I was delighted when he came on yesterday. I thought he did OK, but no more than that until his flick to Boyle. However I personally thought he was too advanced, I’d like to have seen him playing a bit deeper and being given the opportunity to pick a pass.

I’d heard suggestions beforehand that he was carrying a bit of extra weight, but I didn’t think so watching him yesterday, however he just didn’t look right to me. Can’t be specific but just didn’t look 100%. I still hope he just needs regular game time to get back to somewhere close to his previous levels. If not with us, sadly, then another team as is looking more likely. I will repeat myself by saying I don’t see him as an impact sub, he needs, certainly at present, time to play himself into a game.


Reads a lot like Jeffers thoughts on the matter rather than anything he knows.


Oh does it.

Aye, I suppose it does and I hope you’re wrong.

[jeffers]

Aye, I suppose it does and I hope you’re wrong.

The post that D referred to wasn’t on this board though.

[JammyDoidger]

Allan could take a nap in the centre circle and the fans would give him a standing ovation. He’s been crap since he returned. I have no idea what people see in him.

You've no idea what people see in allan? Your eyes are painted on or your at the wind up.

[Iggy Pope]

The post that D referred to wasn’t on this board though.

I’ve read that one too, of course, albeit this discussion is on this board.

[jeffers]

I’ve read that one too, of course.

In that case I’m puzzled by your take on what I said then.

[Iggy Pope]

In that case I’m puzzled by your take on what I said then.

I quoted what was said on here Jeffers and I thought big old D :greengrin had more than just your example if I’m honest.. Don’t think I can quote across the boards and I really only use the MB for posting anyway. Do you think Scott Allan is actively touting for a move then, hoping for a move?

[jeffers]

I quoted what was said on here Jeffers and I thought big old D :greengrin had more than just your example if I’m honest.. Don’t think I can quote across the boards and I really only use the MB for posting anyway. Do you think Scott Allan is actively touting for a move then, hoping for a move?

Fair enough.

I said I’d heard he was looking to move. Hope it doesn’t happen, but wouldn’t surprise me. He wants to play football, which is totally understandable after what he went through last year.

[Iggy Pope]

Fair enough.

I said I’d heard he was looking to move. Hope it doesn’t happen, but wouldn’t surprise me. He wants to play football, which is totally understandable after what he went through last year.

Well he is getting a bit of football now and after what he went through I’d be disappointed all round if he had to move.

[jeffers]

Well he is getting a bit of football now and after what he went through I’d be disappointed all round if he had to move.

So would I, but I’m not convinced it’s anywhere near enough for him, nor do I think he’s an impact sub.

[Iggy Pope]

So would I, but I’m not convinced it’s anywhere near enough for him, nor do I think he’s an impact sub.

Given his problem last year and now fighting his way back to some level of match fitness I’d think it’s about right.
Anyhoo, love him to bits and hope it’s here he stays.

[Tricla]

Some of the comments on this thread are laughable. Some people almost willing the laddie away and others worried if he gets a run of games (due to the current injury situation) that'll it'll be to the detriment of the team.

We need to remember he's been through a hellish health scare and will take time to get back to his best. Look at Kyle Magennis. He was out for ages with injury and when he returned, loads on here said he wasn't good enough for Hibs. A good pre-season and a decent run in the team and he's now looking like one of the top midfielders in the league.

Scotty will need reintegrated slowly, more slowly than Kyle did. I guess nobody knows if he'll get back to the Scotty of old. However, I'm sure if the doctors and the coaches at Hibs didn't think there was a chance, or if playing him would be to the detriment of the team, then he wouldn't play. It's not like we're big a big enough club awash with cash who can have passengers like that.

I'm going to trust their judgement and support Scotty when he plays. I hope the silver lining to our current injury situation is that he does get a run of games and it kicks him on.

[MWHIBBIES]

Allan could take a nap in the centre circle and the fans would give him a standing ovation. He’s been crap since he returned. I have no idea what people see in him.

Goals and assists are what anyone with eyes sees in him. 10 goals 12 assists in his first season back which was cut short with covid. Is that crap aye?

Seriously, you've embarrassed yourself with that post.

[gbhibby]

What a backheel though. Still think he will be an impact sub.

[wookie70]

Off the ball isn't just winning tackles. Scott's pressing was unbelievable on Saturday, constantly chasing down defenders and not giving their midfielders a minutes peace.

Up until the back heel, didn't think he contributed much on the ball (but we didn't necessarily play through him either), but to suggest he's like a man down isn't right, he worked his socks off.

Funny I would describe his pressing as lacklustre. There was also a few challenges where he noticeable didn't fancy it. His back heel was very good and he played a couple of simple balls in good areas. He actually did better than he has in previous cameos so perhaps more game time will see improvements.

He is still miles off it and remember we were playing a team we were a good bit ahead of. In a game like a Derby he may well be completely anonymous, he could also be the difference. That is the conundrum with Allan. Not quite all or nothing but to me he would be nowhere near a start against Hearts. Hopefully we will have one or two more in to give us more options.

[bingo70]

Some of the comments on this thread are laughable. Some people almost willing the laddie away and others worried if he gets a run of games (due to the current injury situation) that'll it'll be to the detriment of the team.

We need to remember he's been through a hellish health scare and will take time to get back to his best. Look at Kyle Magennis. He was out for ages with injury and when he returned, loads on here said he wasn't good enough for Hibs. A good pre-season and a decent run in the team and he's now looking like one of the top midfielders in the league.

Scotty will need reintegrated slowly, more slowly than Kyle did. I guess nobody knows if he'll get back to the Scotty of old. However, I'm sure if the doctors and the coaches at Hibs didn't think there was a chance, or if playing him would be to the detriment of the team, then he wouldn't play. It's not like we're big a big enough club awash with cash who can have passengers like that.

I'm going to trust their judgement and support Scotty when he plays. I hope the silver lining to our current injury situation is that he does get a run of games and it kicks him on.

He played half a season for Inverness after his heart condition and has just had a full pre-season where he got loads of game time.

This is as fit as Scott Allan is going to be. He’s not recovering from an injury just now, this is just him.

I’m definitely not writing him off, I think he’ll need to reinvent himself as a different type of player to the one he was before but right now I don’t think he’s there yet. That’s nothing to do with being integrated slowly back into the team though, he’s just going to be a different player to the one he was before I think.

[Prof. Shaggy]

Some of the comments on this thread are laughable. Some people almost willing the laddie away and others worried if he gets a run of games (due to the current injury situation) that'll it'll be to the detriment of the team.

We need to remember he's been through a hellish health scare and will take time to get back to his best. Look at Kyle Magennis. He was out for ages with injury and when he returned, loads on here said he wasn't good enough for Hibs. A good pre-season and a decent run in the team and he's now looking like one of the top midfielders in the league.

Scotty will need reintegrated slowly, more slowly than Kyle did. I guess nobody knows if he'll get back to the Scotty of old. However, I'm sure if the doctors and the coaches at Hibs didn't think there was a chance, or if playing him would be to the detriment of the team, then he wouldn't play. It's not like we're big a big enough club awash with cash who can have passengers like that.

I'm going to trust their judgement and support Scotty when he plays. I hope the silver lining to our current injury situation is that he does get a run of games and it kicks him on.

I agree. What seems to have been missed is that Allan started our first competitive game this season. He was replaced for good tactical reasons followed Newell's red card. His replacement has blown everyone away.
Ross doesn't drop players who are doing the kind of job Magennis has been doing.
Allan's had a patchy start to the season as result.

I'm sure he'll make a significant contribution.

[Hibernian Verse]

Some back heel on Saturday

[flash]

Some back heel on Saturday

Must have missed that.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Must have missed that.

Surprised noones mentioned it tbh.

[Tricla]

He played half a season for Inverness after his heart condition and has just had a full pre-season where he got loads of game time.

This is as fit as Scott Allan is going to be. He’s not recovering from an injury just now, this is just him.

I’m definitely not writing him off, I think he’ll need to reinvent himself as a different type of player to the one he was before but right now I don’t think he’s there yet. That’s nothing to do with being integrated slowly back into the team though, he’s just going to be a different player to the one he was before I think.

Not sure I agree with that bit. It could take a run of 15 or more games to help him get the sharpness back he needs. He's missed a lot of football for reasons not many miss it for. He may also need that to dispel any psychological issues the type of ailment he had created. I can imagine having a heart issue may cause you to have some anxieties about exerting yourself until you know your body can handle it.

My main point was that some posters were basically saying he's a liability and he's done which I feel is unfair and we're not at a stage where we can say that yet.

Like I said, JR isn't going to put him in the team in any capacity if he doesn't think he can do a job. I'm quite happy to go along with what he and the medical staff at ER think.

[calumhibee1]

Some back heel on Saturday

By who?

[Sioux]

He played half a season for Inverness after his heart condition and has just had a full pre-season where he got loads of game time.

This is as fit as Scott Allan is going to be. He’s not recovering from an injury just now, this is just him.

I’m definitely not writing him off, I think he’ll need to reinvent himself as a different type of player to the one he was before but right now I don’t think he’s there yet. That’s nothing to do with being integrated slowly back into the team though, he’s just going to be a different player to the one he was before I think.

Thanks for your expert medical opinion.

[Jim44]

Allan could take a nap in the centre circle and the fans would give him a standing ovation. He’s been crap since he returned. I have no idea what people see in him.

:rolleyes:

[bingo70]

Thanks for your expert medical opinion.

I know you were trying to be a smart arse but I Don’t think I’ve provided a medical opinion? I also don’t think I’ve said anything particularly offensive there that warranted a response like yours.

Just to clarify, I’m not writing Scott Allan off, I think his game will change slightly as he appears to have lost his wee burst of pace that took him past players. I also think that since he was on loan to Inverness last season and then had a full pre-season with no serious injuries and getting plenty game time, he’s now fully fit.

If you disagree with all of that then that’s fine, that’s the point of this place.

Absolutely no need to be a dick about it though.

[Jim44]

There’s been little or no reference to SA moving on, except for a few on here. If he wants away, I doubt he would have waited till the last minute to get his wish. I hope he’s still with us at midnight.

[nlandsafchibee]

By who?

Scott Allan as he back heeled to help Martin Boyle get clear and put 2nd goal in .In fact if you see it again it might have been Martin that passed it him to make a 1-2 move

[Keith_M]

Scott Allan as he back heeled to help Martin Boyle get clear and put 2nd goal in .In fact if you see it again it might have been Martin that passed it him to make a 1-2 move


It was.


FWIW, Allan had been calling for the ball a number of times in dangerous positions and was starting to get a bit frustrated when nobody would pass to him.

Hopefully his part in the goal highlighted to his team mates how useful he can be in these situations.

[Jim44]

It was.


FWIW, Allan had been calling for the ball a number of times in dangerous positions and was starting to get a bit frustrated when nobody would pass to him.

Hopefully his part in the goal highlighted to his team mates how useful he can be in these situations.

If this is the case, JR wants to have a word with his ‘team’ players, but I find it hard to believe that they would shun SA.

[RMQ1967]

It was.


FWIW, Allan had been calling for the ball a number of times in dangerous positions and was starting to get a bit frustrated when nobody would pass to him.

Hopefully his part in the goal highlighted to his team mates how useful he can be in these situations.

I don't think SA is alone with that frustration - most weeks you can see Magennis, Boyle, Nisbet & others getting frustrated when they step off their markers looking for the ball into feet but the ball goes back or sideways. I don't know if they don't see it or it's a tactical thing but often they're in acres of space with a chance to lay off or turn.

[Peevemor]

To be honest, I can't remember any specific point on Saturday where I thought our players missed making an obvious pass to Allan.

Maybe he's used to everything going through him, but that's no longer going to happen.

[Alfred E Newman]

I don't think SA is alone with that frustration - most weeks you can see Magennis, Boyle, Nisbet & others getting frustrated when they step off their markers looking for the ball into feet but the ball goes back or sideways. I don't know if they don't see it or it's a tactical thing but often they're in acres of space with a chance to lay off or turn.

I can’t say I have noticed that. :confused:

[HendoDelivered]

Seems almost certain we’ll only see him til Jan now… shame.

[Keith_M]

To be honest, I can't remember any specific point on Saturday where I thought our players missed making an obvious pass to Allan.

Maybe he's used to everything going through him, but that's no longer going to happen.


Mostly later in the game, when he was trying to position himself at the edge of the box.

For instance, shortly before the second goal, Allan had got in a really good position about ten yards from Boyle and called for the ball, only for Boyle to overhit a cross that went out for a throw in on the other side of the park.

Allan was practically having a wee stampy feet tantrum about it :greengrin

[keep the faith]

Hopefully this is a turning point for SA and he will see more game time.

Still think he has it in him to earn a new deal and I hope he does.

[allezsauzee]

Hopefully this is a turning point for SA and he will see more game time.

Still think he has it in him to earn a new deal and I hope he does.

I completely agree. it has to borne in mind that he's not had much game time and seems to be a player that needs a bit of time to get going sometimes. I recall he had been just coming on to a game for Dundee after a long time on the sidelines when we took him on loan and he was superb for us. I thought he did ok if not spectacular on Saturday and still managed an assist.

[jacomo]

Mon Scotty.

We’ve got a load of pacy wide men now who need quality passes from midfield. Time to deliver.

[jeffers]

He won’t get much of a chance and fully expect him to be away in January.

[loanheadhibby]

He won’t get much of a chance and fully expect him to be away in January.

Tend to agree with this. Last night showed he is surplus to requirements.

You also have to look at it from Scott Allan's perspective. Hopefully it motivates SA to prove he is a great player but to think the manager was happy to ship him out, must be pretty demoralising.

[flash]

Tend to agree with this. Last night showed he is surplus to requirements.

You also have to look at it from Scott Allan's perspective. Hopefully it motivates SA to prove he is a great player but to think the manager was happy to ship him out, must be pretty demoralising.

It's part and parcel of a footballers career.

[Peevemor]

I'm more concerned about Drey Wright TBH.

[jeffers]

Tend to agree with this. Last night showed he is surplus to requirements.

You also have to look at it from Scott Allan's perspective. Hopefully it motivates SA to prove he is a great player but to think the manager was happy to ship him out, must be pretty demoralising.

I think Scott Allan already knew this, hence him wanting a move. Whether JR was totally honest with him or not the player could see he wasn’t going to get anywhere near enough game time.

[loanheadhibby]

It's part and parcel of a footballers career.

Still must be tough to take. SA will need to motivate himself for training/playing when he knows manager does not fancy him.

Works both ways I suppose as there was a time SA was highly in demand whilst at Hibs

[Jim44]

Tend to agree with this. Last night showed he is surplus to requirements.

You also have to look at it from Scott Allan's perspective. Hopefully it motivates SA to prove he is a great player but to think the manager was happy to ship him out, must be pretty demoralising.

Not necessarily. I doubt if the subject of him moving on was only frantically broached at 11 pm last night. It will have been discussed a while back and he probably accepted the possibility. In fact, SA himself might even have instigated a possible move. He won’t be demoralised in any way, I’m sure he will get his head down and give 100% when he gets the chance. Hopefully that’s quite often.

[loanheadhibby]

I think Scott Allan already knew this, hence him wanting a move. Whether JR was totally honest with him or not the player could see he wasn’t going to get anywhere near enough game time.

JR knows more about his physical shape than me. Possibly thinks SA not up to the rigours or possibly not able to perform in JR preferred style or formation.

I still think SA has loads to offer. If we are left at any point with 1 fit striker, he could possibly play just off a main striker.

[flash]

Still must be tough to take. SA will need to motivate himself for training/playing when he knows manager does not fancy him.

Works both ways I suppose as there was a time SA was highly in demand whilst at Hibs

Just be great if he could get back to near his best as there's nobody better at what he does.

[FilipinoHibs]

JR knows more about his physical shape than me. Possibly thinks SA not up to the rigours or possibly not able to perform in JR preferred style or formation.

I still think SA has loads to offer. If we are left at any point with 1 fit striker, he could possibly play just off a main striker.

Jury is out on him. Anoymous for first 30 Hibs of his appearance. Looked half hearted in his efforts. Don't know if down to the deal that fell through. Difficult situation for him now. Needs to to prove himself in front of JR to get game time to have a chance of getting another contract with another team.

[Hibs90]

Jury is out on him. Anoymous for first 30 Hibs of his appearance. Looked half hearted in his efforts. Don't know if down to the deal that fell through. Difficult situation for him now. Needs to to prove himself in front of JR to get game time to have a chance of getting another contract with another team.

What? Half hearted? You’re having a laugh?!

He has a serious condition that might just impact on his performances and physical fitness. Give the guy a break. He might no longer be able to keep up with top flight football but there is zero reason to doubt the mans talent or desire to perform.

Honestly what a ridiculous post.

[flash]

Jury is out on him. Anoymous for first 30 Hibs of his appearance. Looked half hearted in his efforts. Don't know if down to the deal that fell through. Difficult situation for him now. Needs to to prove himself in front of JR to get game time to have a chance of getting another contract with another team.

That's a bit harsh to put it mildly.

[loanheadhibby]

Jury is out on him. Anoymous for first 30 Hibs of his appearance. Looked half hearted in his efforts. Don't know if down to the deal that fell through. Difficult situation for him now. Needs to to prove himself in front of JR to get game time to have a chance of getting another contract with another team.

It will be very difficult situation. SA will argue (rightly so like every player in squad) that he can’t prove himself in 10 mins, here, 30 mins there.

What can he do in training that he’s not already been doing?

The only way he will prove himself is by playing 90 mins a week and sadly for him it looks like JR is not going to give him 90 mins every week.

Can’t see him being too happy getting 30 mins here and there.

[loanheadhibby]

Just be great if he could get back to near his best as there's nobody better at what he does.

Totally agree. Obviously we don’t know the in’s and out’s re his fitness, but a fully fit SA can still bring a bit of magic to the team. He’s got a football brain/vision that no one else in the team has in my opinion.

[Smartie]

Jury is out on him. Anoymous for first 30 Hibs of his appearance. Looked half hearted in his efforts. Don't know if down to the deal that fell through. Difficult situation for him now. Needs to to prove himself in front of JR to get game time to have a chance of getting another contract with another team.

Funny how folk see things differently. I thought he looked like he was knocking his pan in, was desperate to get involved and got visibly frustrated when he was struggling to influence the game as he might want to.

Eventually though, he worked his way into the game and capped the determination off with a fine assist.

It wasn't vintage Scott Allan by any means and he looked understandably rusty. He also struggled a bit to link up with some team-mates, sometimes they just didn't seem to be on the same wavelength - he'd want the ball, they either wouldn't or couldn't give it to him.

Any criticism of his attitude though is totally wide of the mark.

He just screamed "needs to be playing more" to me, as it was an understandable lack of match sharpness that he was showing.

[Jones28]

Tend to agree with this. Last night showed he is surplus to requirements.

You also have to look at it from Scott Allan's perspective. Hopefully it motivates SA to prove he is a great player but to think the manager was happy to ship him out, must be pretty demoralising.

Given the timings it wasn’t pre-meditated. It was an opportunity we tried to exploit that would have benefited everyone involved. I doubt SA will take it to heart, in fact I think it will spur him on to be more involved.

[delbert]

I'm more concerned about Drey Wright TBH.

In what respect ? My only concern with Wright is that he is still on the payroll, contributes less than nothing and a total waste of a wage, whoever saw this guy as an improvement to our squad needs to follow him out the door.

[Peevemor]

In what respect ? My only concern with Wright is that he is still on the payroll, contributes less than nothing and a total waste of a wage, whoever saw this guy as an improvement to our squad needs to follow him out the door.Simply that I think Scott is better equipped mentally to deal with the situation. Wright has been showing signs of regaining a bit of confidence & form and I hope this won't be a setback.

[BlackSheep]

Supposedly Ross isn’t that much of a fan of Scott Allan… thinks he is lazy.

Scott’s health issues are also still a factor in his game time and perhaps the perception he is lazy.

[May21/05/216]

Maybe Scott Allen and drew Wright were quote happy to move as they know there game time will limited and the reason it didn't happen was on mcgrath not wanting to move

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[May21/05/216]

Maybe Scott Allen and drew Wright were quote happy to move as they know there game time will limited and the reason it didn't happen was on mcgrath not wanting to move

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[keep the faith]

He won’t get much of a chance and fully expect him to be away in January.

Your really not a fan are you?

[jeffers]

Your really not a fan are you?

Of who ?

[SHODAN]

Up to Allan and Wright to prove themselves now. Personally don't think Allan has anything to prove, but so be it.

[Since452]

Maybe Scott Allen and drew Wright were quote happy to move as they know there game time will limited and the reason it didn't happen was on mcgrath not wanting to move

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Apparently all parties (Hibs, St Mirren, McGrath, Allan and Wright) had agreed to it.

[FilipinoHibs]

It will be very difficult situation. SA will argue (rightly so like every player in squad) that he can’t prove himself in 10 mins, here, 30 mins there.

What can he do in training that he’s not already been doing?

The only way he will prove himself is by playing 90 mins a week and sadly for him it looks like JR is not going to give him 90 mins every week.

Can’t see him being too happy getting 30 mins here and there.

He got a full half on Saturday. You are not going to drop Doyle, Magennis or Newell to give him 90 minutes. JR sees him everyday. He looks a touch overweight and not as athletic as he did at his peak. I don't what that is down to. But he does not look capable of the athletic skillful play he is once capable of. Sadly but that is the reality.

[keep the faith]

Of who ?

Allan. You are fairly vocal on any thread about him. I do wonder why so many seem so content with it not working out. Surely he is worth backing and not writing off? He is a special talent and only 29.

[loanheadhibby]

He got a full half on Saturday. You are not going to drop Doyle, Magennis or Newell to give him 90 minutes. JR sees him everyday. He looks a touch overweight and not as athletic as he did at his peak. I don't what that is down to. But he does not look capable of the athletic skillful play he is once capable of. Sadly but that is the reality.

And yet a fully fit ,vibrant Scott Allan is a better footballer than all 3 in my opinion.

Hopefully his best days are not behind him and he can return to the level we all know he can reach. I’m loathed to think those days are in the past.

[SaulGoodman]

He got a full half on Saturday. You are not going to drop Doyle, Magennis or Newell to give him 90 minutes. JR sees him everyday. He looks a touch overweight and not as athletic as he did at his peak. I don't what that is down to.But he does not look capable of the athletic skillful play he is once capable of. Sadly but that is the reality.

Are you at the wind up?

[keep the faith]

He got a full half on Saturday. You are not going to drop Doyle, Magennis or Newell to give him 90 minutes. JR sees him everyday. He looks a touch overweight and not as athletic as he did at his peak. I don't what that is down to. But he does not look capable of the athletic skillful play he is once capable of. Sadly but that is the reality.

He had a year without match time at Celtic and a year lost with hibs. It's clear he is a fitness fanatic, so the overweight stuff is nuts.
Training on your own in the gym changes your body shape and he looked like he had too much muscle and too top heavy on his return. Matches and football training will sort that and make him more lithe again. I can already see a difference.
Each to their own, but I'm backing scott allan and wish others would too.

[jeffers]

Allan. You are fairly vocal on any thread about him. I do wonder why so many seem so content with it not working out. Surely he is worth backing and not writing off? He is a special talent and only 29.

You couldn’t be any further from the truth. You only need to go back further in this thread to see what I think of Scott Allan (or countless other threads for that matter.) On his game Scott Allan is one of my favourite ever Hibs players. If it was up to me we’d build a team around him, or least would have before his heart condition.

I’d like nothing more than see him get a run of games and get back to his best. Sadly I don’t believe that will ever happen with us and the player himself realises he needs to move if he’s to get any decent game time.

[Alfred E Newman]

Supposedly Ross isn’t that much of a fan of Scott Allan… thinks he is lazy.

Scott’s health issues are also still a factor in his game time and perhaps the perception he is lazy.

My mates cousin heard this from someone who works beside someone who is mates with a reliable source.

[Aldo]

Lots of debate pro’s and cons etc but it’s not about the player for me it’s about the team.

A fit Scott Allan on his game starts every game for me however we all know his had issues etc with his health.

Unfortunately Scott Allan on gets cameos because of this and whilst he is frustrated he will know this.

We have stood by him through this but I want a team of players that can bust a gut every single game and Harry and chase everything.

This is what JR wants and it’s clear Scotty is able to do this.

I really wish he’d not had these issues because he’s a game changer! His drive etc with the ball is what makes him who he is. Sadly I think that’s lacking.

Harsh maybe but I’m thinking of the team


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[niddriehibs32]

Some amount of outright lies gets peddled on here.

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[ancient hibee]

Lots of debate pro’s and cons etc but it’s not about the player for me it’s about the team.

A fit Scott Allan on his game starts every game for me however we all know his had issues etc with his health.

Unfortunately Scott Allan on gets cameos because of this and whilst he is frustrated he will know this.

We have stood by him through this but I want a team of players that can bust a gut every single game and Harry and chase everything.

This is what JR wants and it’s clear Scotty is able to do this.

I really wish he’d not had these issues because he’s a game changer! His drive etc with the ball is what makes him who he is. Sadly I think that’s lacking.

Harsh maybe but I’m thinking of the team


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Personally I prefer somebody who can play football. We’ve had plenty of willing hard working runners over the years,Gogic is a good example,but too few like Allan who can win a game with a moment of magic.

[keep the faith]

Personally I prefer somebody who can play football. We’ve had plenty of willing hard working runners over the years,Gogic is a good example,but too few like Allan who can win a game with a moment of magic.

Yep. That's why I watch hibs and these mavericks over the years is what makes our club special. Being Aberdeen doesnt interest me. If we cant find room for Allan then there is something wrong.

[Aldo]

Personally I prefer somebody who can play football. We’ve had plenty of willing hard working runners over the years,Gogic is a good example,but too few like Allan who can win a game with a moment of magic.

So do I but l we work hard as a team and maybe Harry and chase is the wrong wording but I think you get my gist. JDH has an engine and gets about and so does Magennis. I’m not sure Scotty is the Scotty of old. His game is about drive etc and obviously the killer final ball.

As it stands Scott doesn’t start for me if everyone is fit. I’m not slagging him or saying he’s a poor player when that is indeed not the case.

I really want him to get back to his old self but I’m not sure that’s going to happen. It’s clear that JR won’t start him so if he can get more game time elsewhere he needs to move on.


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[Shrekko]

Personally I prefer somebody who can play football. We’ve had plenty of willing hard working runners over the years,Gogic is a good example,but too few like Allan who can win a game with a moment of magic.

I see mentioning Gogic is the newest go to when people want to complain about Scott not starting games. It’s starting to rival ‘he’s no Ross’s type eh player’.

What about the fact the we have Newell, JDH, Magennis and Boyle in midfield who are pretty much decent at most things and importantly better options than Allan at the moment?

We know he can win games with moments of magic but the team needs to be in these games to give him that platform. It’s looking like Allan playing is more important to some than anything else. You’d think we were bottom of the league at the moment.