Scott Allan

[Stevie Reid]

I must admit that my heart sank initially last night when I saw that Scott could have been leaving us, though overall I was probably more disappointed that we didn’t succeed in our opportunistic attempt to get McGrath.

FWIW I thought Scott did fine on Saturday, had to battle away in midfield quite a bit but I thought he did that pretty well - and we got that one beautiful moment that led to a very good second goal.

Even if he can’t contribute anything like he used to, he can still make a telling contribution in his remaining time with us.

Sadly I think last night was our one chance to get McGrath though.

[ancient hibee]

So do I but l we work hard as a team and maybe Harry and chase is the wrong wording but I think you get my gist. JDH has an engine and gets about and so does Magennis. I’m not sure Scotty is the Scotty of old. His game is about drive etc and obviously the killer final ball.

As it stands Scott doesn’t start for me if everyone is fit. I’m not slagging him or saying he’s a poor player when that is indeed not the case.

I really want him to get back to his old self but I’m not sure that’s going to happen. It’s clear that JR won’t start him so if he can get more game time elsewhere he needs to move on.


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Yeh I agree with that as well. It's a shame.




I see mentioning Gogic is the newest go to when people want to complain about Scott not starting games. It’s starting to rival ‘he’s no Ross’s type eh player’.

What about the fact the we have Newell, JDH, Magennis and Boyle in midfield who are pretty much decent at most things and importantly better options than Allan at the moment?

We know he can win games with moments of magic but the team needs to be in these games to give him that platform. It’s looking like Allan playing is more important to some than anything else. You’d think we were bottom of the league at the moment.

Think you've missed the point. I mentioned Gogic because he is the type of player that Aldo mentioned in his quote.Nothing to do with the reason Allan doesn't play.

[loanheadhibby]

Lots of debate pro’s and cons etc but it’s not about the player for me it’s about the team.

A fit Scott Allan on his game starts every game for me however we all know his had issues etc with his health.

Unfortunately Scott Allan on gets cameos because of this and whilst he is frustrated he will know this.

We have stood by him through this but I want a team of players that can bust a gut every single game and Harry and chase everything.

This is what JR wants and it’s clear Scotty is able to do this.

I really wish he’d not had these issues because he’s a game changer! His drive etc with the ball is what makes him who he is. Sadly I think that’s lacking.

Harsh maybe but I’m thinking of the team


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Scott Allan has hardly played a game in a year. He needs a run of games in the team. Possibly 6 or 7 in a row.

Otherwise how are we ever going to know if he can get back to his best. You can be fit but you also need to be match fit.

Too many people on here assuming he can’t get back to previous levels.

[wookie70]

Yep. That's why I watch hibs and these mavericks over the years is what makes our club special. Being Aberdeen doesnt interest me. If we cant find room for Allan then there is something wrong. Being hard working and a game changer aren't mutually exclusive. Chic Charnley worked pretty hard and is far more a maverick than Scott Allan ever will be, a better player too. Boyle tries to take on players at almost every opportunity but he doesn't watch the game if he loses the ball. Newell and Magennis are both creative and capable of game winning passes or finishes but they work their socks off.

I think you can carry one "maverick" in a team if you struggle for creativity and have lots of players willing to do a shift. That is Murphy before he got injured but we haven't lacked creativity from other areas. Allan may get his chance no Jamie seems to be injured but I can't see both of them in the side and definitely not against other top six sides. Murphy doesn't work hard enough off the ball for me but he works harder than Allan imo. He also plays his more risky balls in the oppositions third where they are unlikely to hurt us if they don't come off. That is why if Scottie does play I want him as advanced as possible because he gives the ball away making unnecessarily difficult passes far too often. He doesn't play percentages which is fine that far up the park but not so much in the middle of the field.

It was a good back heel on Saturday but having watched the highlights he got in Magennis' way in a similar position a wee while before that and the best bit of skill on show was Boyle's finish, top drawer. It will be fascinating to see if Allan starts against Hearts. If Newell or Murphy are fit I can't see it and it wouldn't surprise me if Gogic is next in line for that fixture if those two can't make it.

[Aldo]

Scott Allan has hardly played a game in a year. He needs a run of games in the team. Possibly 6 or 7 in a row.

Otherwise how are we ever going to know if he can get back to his best. You can be fit but you also need to be match fit.

Too many people on here assuming he can’t get back to previous levels.

I said it in my previous post, who drops out for him?? JDH, Magennis, Newell. If those 3 are fit they start for me.

I won’t assume I’ll say it and it maybe only my opinion but I don’t think Scott Allan can get back to where he was previously. Fantastic outstanding player with drive, quality and the ability to change a game by himself.

I don’t want to write off off but I don’t think he can get back to those levels.

I hope I’m wrong but I cannot see it.

More than happy to eat humble pie and be proved wrong!


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[bingo70]

Scott Allan has hardly played a game in a year. He needs a run of games in the team. Possibly 6 or 7 in a row.

Otherwise how are we ever going to know if he can get back to his best. You can be fit but you also need to be match fit.

Too many people on here assuming he can’t get back to previous levels.

Yes he has?

He was on loan at Inverness last season and he had plenty game time in pre-season.

[loanheadhibby]

Yes he has?

He was on loan at Inverness last season and he had plenty game time in pre-season.

You’re not suggesting a few pre season friendlies and 5 games is the same tempo as playing for Hibs every week.

[bingo70]

You’re not suggesting a few pre season friendlies and 5 games is the same tempo as playing for Hibs every week.

You said he has hardly played a game in a year, that’s not true.

He was fit and playing games at the end of last season and he’s then had a full pre-season. He’s also had a decent amount of competitive game time this season.

[loanheadhibby]

I said it in my previous post, who drops out for him?? JDH, Magennis, Newell. If those 3 are fit they start for me.

I won’t assume I’ll say it and it maybe only my opinion but I don’t think Scott Allan can get back to where he was previously. Fantastic outstanding player with drive, quality and the ability to change a game by himself.

I don’t want to write off off but I don’t think he can get back to those levels.

I hope I’m wrong but I cannot see it.

More than happy to eat humble pie and be proved wrong!


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You may be correct but we’ll never know until he gets the chance for a run of games in the 1st team. As I said earlier, a fit SA is a better player than all 3 you mentioned. They are good players but SA a level above.

I’d play Allan behind/beside Nisbet, Scott on Left and Boyle on right. Can only try it whilst Newell currently injured.

[Aldo]

You may be correct but we’ll never know until he gets the chance for a run of games in the 1st team. As I said earlier, a fit SA is a better player than all 3 you mentioned. They are good players but SA a level above.

I’d play Allan behind/beside Nisbet, Scott on Left and Boyle on right. Can only try it whilst Newell currently injured.

Not sure he’s fit enough to start a run of games imho. If he was up to speed I’m sure he’d start. JR will see him every day in training. I watched when he came in and in the game he started against the Andorrans and he doesn’t start for me!

I respect your opinion but for me he struggles to start. If he’s not up to speed by now I’m not sure when he will be.

So would you start him in the derby at Tiny. Do you think he’s ready?

Just to let you know I’m not slagging him off or slating him I just don’t think he’s the player he was. Which is really sad! On his game probably one if he must gifted and talented ballers at ER


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[scoopyboy]

Scott Allan has hardly played a game in a year. He needs a run of games in the team. Possibly 6 or 7 in a row.

Otherwise how are we ever going to know if he can get back to his best. You can be fit but you also need to be match fit.

Too many people on here assuming he can’t get back to previous levels.

Or conversely too many people on here expecting him to get back to previous levels.

My take is he won't get back to his best, not bt a long way. I will always enjoy looking back at how he has played for Hibs but through no fault of his own I think his career is very nearly over at a high standard. I would love to be wrong but just can't see it.

[Since452]

I know Scott has had/has his health issues but I always thought he put on too much muscle when he rejoined us and it changed his game a bit.

[wookie70]

You may be correct but we’ll never know until he gets the chance for a run of games in the 1st team. As I said earlier, a fit SA is a better player than all 3 you mentioned. They are good players but SA a level above.

I’d play Allan behind/beside Nisbet, Scott on Left and Boyle on right. Can only try it whilst Newell currently injured.

In your opinion. If I average Scott's contribution over his 3 spells I'm not sure he is as good as those three players. He has had a few good spells, usually when we are playing well and I would say he has been disappointing for most of the rest of his time or injured, unwell or on loan. I'd put the spell Magennis is on as being on par with Scottie's spells with far more work off the ball lifting it further.

No doubting Allan has ability but I'm not sure I ever saw him as a consistent top six player and certainly not now.

[Nicho87]

Very disappointed to hear we are preparing to let Scott Allan go

May not be first name on team sheet but still how on earth we are thinking of getting rid I don’t know what Ross is thinking personally.

Allan’s time at hibs should be getting extended, Mathie and recruitment team better buck up their ideas cause if Nisbet gets injured between now and Christmas we are in the brown stuff

[Shrekko]

Very disappointed to hear we are preparing to let Scott Allan go

May not be first name on team sheet but still how on earth we are thinking of getting rid I don’t know what Ross is thinking personally.

Allan’s time at hibs should be getting extended, Mathie and recruitment team better buck up their ideas cause if Nisbet gets injured between now and Christmas we are in the brown stuff

A lot of people think he shouldn’t be written off and that’s fair enough but this is the other side of the coin right here.

Manager apparently hasn’t got a clue, recruitment is hopeless and we should be looking to extend Scott Allan’s contract.

Really?

[Magpie]

I think he will be away in January.

[Unseen work]

Can see us making the same deal with St Mirren in January at the start of the window.

[Centre Hawf]

Thought we would see him earlier in the second half as Magennis looked tired. But Jack Ross obviously doesn’t feel he’s up to it. Think he’ll be away in January sadly.

[Ronniekirk]

Can see us making the same deal with St Mirren in January at the start of the window.

We will have competition though ,but think if we are still doing well ,he will see us as an attractive option to consider


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[Heisenberg]

Can see us making the same deal with St Mirren in January at the start of the window.

Think an English club will take a punt on McGrath in January. Pre contract and cheap deal to be had.

[keep the faith]

I have posted loads about Scott Allan and how important he could be for us. I think I give up now. If Ross cant give him time in a match like that with a bench like that then he clearly REALLY doesnt fancy him.

Personally I think he will end up at united or something and I'm certain he will tear it up, if trusted and started every week.
Such a waste Hibs.

[Lendo]

My mates cousin heard this from someone who works beside someone who is mates with a reliable source.

I heard this too from a guy on a forum who has a mate who has a cousin who works beside someone who is mates with a reliable source. Small world.

[Mikey_1875]

I think Ross had a decision to make whether to stick or twist with around 25/20 to go. He could have made substitutions at a similar time to Neilson but I actually felt we came into the second half more after hearts had made their substitutions. That showed to me the best eleven were on the park already for the job at hand and while I was surprised Cadden lasted as long as he did the only safe option with 5 to go was probably Wright.

For what it’s worth Allan would have contributed more than Scott did in that role in the first half but I would have rather had the team that started the second half with Magennis in that role as our initial line up.

[NC1875]

Scott Allan in the 4-0 game against Rangers is probably the best individual performance I’ve seen at Eater Road. He’s not that player anymore unfortunately.

[B.H.F.C]

The fact we just tried to get rid of him last week, then played Scott in his position today says a lot. Will be away in January. Thought he’d have been a better bet than Scott in that position, actually knows how to play it.

[hibee1875]

I have posted loads about Scott Allan and how important he could be for us. I think I give up now. If Ross cant give him time in a match like that with a bench like that then he clearly REALLY doesnt fancy him.

Personally I think he will end up at united or something and I'm certain he will tear it up, if trusted and started every week.
Such a waste Hibs.

To be fair he didn’t tear it up at Dundee.

I love Scott Allan and on his day he’s one of the best players I’ve seen at Hibs in the last 15 years but he’s not the same player we had first time round.

He has the ability to change a game with one pass but he’s a luxury player and Ross wants battlers

[Shrekko]

I have posted loads about Scott Allan and how important he could be for us. I think I give up now. If Ross cant give him time in a match like that with a bench like that then he clearly REALLY doesnt fancy him.

Personally I think he will end up at united or something and I'm certain he will tear it up, if trusted and started every week.
Such a waste Hibs.

Is Scott Allan becoming more important to some fans than the team? Or is it just something to get stuck into Jack Ross about?

This nonsense about him “not fancying him” makes absolutely no sense based on so many things but I get the feeling it’s trying to create the “Jack Ross doesn’t like flair players” narrative to those who will simply never take to him.

The midfielders who have played the bulk of the games this season have thoroughly deserved their spots. Scott Allan started our 1st proper game of the season and was unlucky to have to go off - it could have been different but that’s football.

[davhibby]

The fact we just tried to get rid of him last week, then played Scott in his position today says a lot. Will be away in January. Thought he’d have been a better bet than Scott in that position, actually knows how to play it.

The Livi game showed that there are only certain games Allan can play in now. He basically didn’t touch the ball for 40 minutes against Livi and the game would’ve totally passed him by today. He could’ve come on for the last 20 minutes or so but Magennis was doing well second half

[jeffers]

Is Scott Allan becoming more important to some fans than the team? Or is it just something to get stuck into Jack Ross about?

This nonsense about him “not fancying him” makes absolutely no sense based on so many things but I get the feeling it’s trying to create the “Jack Ross doesn’t like flair players” narrative to those who will simply never take to him.

The midfielders who have played the bulk of the games this season have thoroughly deserved their spots. Scott Allan started our 1st proper game of the season and was unlucky to have to go off - it could have been different but that’s football.

C’mon Ross clearly no longer rates Allan, it’s not even open for debate.

[Nicho87]

Allan will know now his time his up

For some reason he’s not been given a fair crack to get back in after his health issues. Bringing wright on today and then Allan looked liked he misssed getting on for 1 minute I would find insulting if I was getting sold only 13 days ago

[hibee1875]

Allan will know now his time his up

For some reason he’s not been given a fair crack to get back in after his health issues. Bringing wright on today and then Allan looked liked he misssed getting on for 1 minute I would find insulting if I was getting sold only 13 days ago

I’m sure he’s been given as much as a fair crack as the rest of the midfielders have been.

We don’t see training every day, the coaching staff too. I’m sure they have good reason for not giving him as much game time as a lot of fans want.

[bingo70]

C’mon Ross clearly no longer rates Allan, it’s not even open for debate.

I don’t know why people don’t trust Ross on this one.

I’ve criticised Ross in spells but his judgement of a player is for the most part excellent. He’s not got many wrong so far.

Ross sees him in training every day, has given him game time this season and has clearly decided there’s better options in the squad.

It’s a shame for Allan and I have huge amount of respect for him however I think it’s clear his time is nearly up at Hibs. I am pretty sure though he won’t leave Hibs and go to another club bigger or better than us.

Hopefully he can find somewhere he will get regular game time though.

[jeffers]

I don’t know why people don’t trust Ross on this one.

I’ve criticised Ross in spells but his judgement of a player is for the most part excellent. He’s not got many wrong so far.

Ross sees him in training every day, has given him game time this season and has clearly decided there’s better options in the squad.

It’s a shame for Allan and I have huge amount of respect for him however I think it’s clear his time is nearly up at Hibs. I am pretty sure though he won’t leave Hibs and go to another club bigger or better than us.

Hopefully he can find somewhere he will get regular game time though.

Nothing to do with trusting Ross I was just responding to a post that was disputing the fact that he no longer rates him. He barely plays him and tried to get rid of him in the last window. I don’t think you can get a clearer indication of Ross’ view of him.

[Shrekko]

C’mon Ross clearly no longer rates Allan, it’s not even open for debate.

He currently believes we have 3/4 midfielders who are better options and I’m flabbergasted anyone would disagree.

Initially he played SA every week and was happy to name him in his starting 11 in the first game of the season.

Why is this so important to people? There is zero evidence at the moment that he’ll provide more than the ones in possession. It’s mad.

It could all change like it did for Magennis but for me when he’s had a chance he’s not done enough.

Just find it weird we’re sitting 2nd and people see this as such a huge issue and are really upset about it. I hope we see more of him but like every player it’s in his hands - these suggestions that JR has an agenda against him are just rubbish.

[JohnM1875]

C’mon Ross clearly no longer rates Allan, it’s not even open for debate.

Spot on. Don't agree with it myself but looks like Allan is done at Hibs.

[MWHIBBIES]

Allan is 100% a better option behind the forwards than Scott has shown to be so far. Ross making a mistake here.

[jeffers]

He currently believes we have 3/4 midfielders who are better options and I’m flabbergasted anyone would disagree.

Initially he played SA every week and was happy to name him in his starting 11 in the first game of the season.

Why is this so important to people? There is zero evidence at the moment that he’ll provide more than the ones in possession. It’s mad.

It could all change like it did for Magennis but for me when he’s had a chance he’s not done enough.

Just find it weird we’re sitting 2nd and people see this as such a huge issue and are really upset about it. I hope we see more of him but like every player it’s in his hands - these suggestions that JR has an agenda against him are just rubbish.

Where did I say he has an agenda against him ? In fact where has anyone said that ?

Am I disappointed one of the best midfielders I’ve seen in a Hibs jersey is no longer part of the managers plans ? Absolutely.

You keep repeating he started in the first game of the season. Aye against a bunch of diddies and he was hooked once Newell was sent off. If Ross rated him why didn’t he start in the next game ? It’s not as if he was on long enough in the that game to form much of an opinion on his performance.

Ross clearly no longer rates him and isn’t even giving him the game time to turn things round. Trying to put him on a season long loan in the final year of his contract is as clear an indication as you will get on Ross’ thoughts on Scott Allan’s future at Hibs.

I don’t know if Ross is making the right decision, but that’s what he gets paid for.

[lord bunberry]

Allan is 100% a better option behind the forwards than Scott has shown to be so far. Ross making a mistake here.
I completely agree, Scott has done nothing so far to merit being played ahead of Allan. The fact that he’s a new signing is the only reason he’s getting game time as it’s certainly not down to form. That’s fair enough as we want to get him up to speed, but Allan doesn’t seem to be getting that same chance.

[J-C]

I thought Allan looked decent pre season but hasn't shown since apart from the odd few mins here and there. We dont see Allan in training but there will be a reason he's not starting, maybe it's best if he does move on for his own sake to get playing again. It'll be a sore one when that day comes but Hibs are the most important thing. Look at Gray last season, he's now part of our coaching staff but we all wondered why he wasn't getting a chance to play, Ross was proven correct.

[Northernhibee]

Allan’s time at hibs should be getting extended


If you take nostalgia away, there's very little evidence to back that statement up. If he's still as good as people say then he'd be getting game time but he's understandably barely played for two years and that is going to affect any players ability.

I absolutely loved his time at Hibs, he's given us some fantastic memories and outstanding performances that will be spoken about in twenty or thirty years time but IMO his time at the club is up. He'll leave a legend with a massive amount of goodwill towards him though.

[jeffers]

I thought Allan looked decent pre season but hasn't shown since apart from the odd few mins here and there. We dont see Allan in training but there will be a reason he's not starting, maybe it's best if he does move on for his own sake to get playing again. It'll be a sore one when that day comes but Hibs are the most important thing. Look at Gray last season, he's now part of our coaching staff but we all wondered why he wasn't getting a chance to play, Ross was proven correct.

Not sure how you come to the conclusion that Ross was proved to be correct because DG retired and accepted a role as part of the coaching staff ?

[J-C]

Not sure how you come to the conclusion that Ross was proved to be correct because DG retired and accepted a role as part of the coaching staff ?

There were many on here asking why Gray wasn't being picked last season, I was one of them, the fact he only played something like 4 games and retired to go into coaching, shows we know little of what goes on and there's reasons certain players are not picked. I'm pretty sure Gray wasn't thinking of retirement at the end of last season, we need to trust Ross more.

[matty_f]

I don’t know why people don’t trust Ross on this one.

I’ve criticised Ross in spells but his judgement of a player is for the most part excellent. He’s not got many wrong so far.

Ross sees him in training every day, has given him game time this season and has clearly decided there’s better options in the squad.

It’s a shame for Allan and I have huge amount of respect for him however I think it’s clear his time is nearly up at Hibs. I am pretty sure though he won’t leave Hibs and go to another club bigger or better than us.

Hopefully he can find somewhere he will get regular game time though.

Agree with all of that.

[jeffers]

There were many on here asking why Gray wasn't being picked last season, I was one of them, the fact he only played something like 4 games and retired to go into coaching, shows we know little of what goes on and there's reasons certain players are not picked. We need to trust Ross more.

He was fit last season but Ross refused to play him. He wanted to stay at Hibs, but wasn’t going to get any game time so that left taking up the option as a coach. It doesn’t equate to Ross being right, just that he got to influence the decision DG ultimately made.

[Blaster]

I don’t know why people don’t trust Ross on this one.

I’ve criticised Ross in spells but his judgement of a player is for the most part excellent. He’s not got many wrong so far.

Ross sees him in training every day, has given him game time this season and has clearly decided there’s better options in the squad.

It’s a shame for Allan and I have huge amount of respect for him however I think it’s clear his time is nearly up at Hibs. I am pretty sure though he won’t leave Hibs and go to another club bigger or better than us.

Hopefully he can find somewhere he will get regular game time though.

Agreed. I must admit at no point today was I thinking Allan should be on or coming on. Shame as he’s been one of my favourite players to watch but I don’t think he’ll return to what we’d like him to.

[weecounty hibby]

Scotty was one of the better players I've seen at Hibs over the years. I suspect we will see him leave in January and I also suspect that Jack Ross will be proved correct. He will probably end up at somewhere like St Mirren and be alright for them. His days of playing like he did on the 4-0 hun pumping I think are behind him

[B.H.F.C]

I completely agree, Scott has done nothing so far to merit being played ahead of Allan. The fact that he’s a new signing is the only reason he’s getting game time as it’s certainly not down to form. That’s fair enough as we want to get him up to speed, but Allan doesn’t seem to be getting that same chance.

Scott looked lost in that position today. Allan would have offered more, just even in terms of knowing where to be. We were a man down first half but it wasn’t all down to Scott IMO, it was a mistake asking him to play that position.

[SHODAN]

John McGinn is a legend, and nothing will ever change that, but in my opinion he's second to Allan in his prime. People forget that the team we had in 2014-15 was considerably less talented and he turned it into something special. If it wasn't for his well-documented health issues, and less-than-stellar career choices, he'd be a superstar.

I still think he has something to offer but Ross clearly doesn't.

[Ronniekirk]

I don’t know why people don’t trust Ross on this one.

I’ve criticised Ross in spells but his judgement of a player is for the most part excellent. He’s not got many wrong so far.

Ross sees him in training every day, has given him game time this season and has clearly decided there’s better options in the squad.

It’s a shame for Allan and I have huge amount of respect for him however I think it’s clear his time is nearly up at Hibs. I am pretty sure though he won’t leave Hibs and go to another club bigger or better than us.

Hopefully he can find somewhere he will get regular game time though.

You weren’t happy with Macey but made outstanding saves today
It’s hard to improve if not getting a run of games
But I do think we have a better balance now
But still think bringing him on as a sub he has something to offer


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[Shrekko]

Where did I say he has an agenda against him ? In fact where has anyone said that ?

Am I disappointed one of the best midfielders I’ve seen in a Hibs jersey is no longer part of the managers plans ? Absolutely.

You keep repeating he started in the first game of the season. Aye against a bunch of diddies and he was hooked once Newell was sent off. If Ross rated him why didn’t he start in the next game ? It’s not as if he was on long enough in the that game to form much of an opinion on his performance.

Ross clearly no longer rates him and isn’t even giving him the game time to turn things round. Trying to put him on a season long loan in the final year of his contract is as clear an indication as you will get on Ross’ thoughts on Scott Allan’s future at Hibs.

I don’t know if Ross is making the right decision, but that’s what he gets paid for.

He didn’t start the next game because Magennis played very well as far as I recall.

I wasn’t meaning you when I talked about people implying an agenda - but I’ve seen plenty of people more or less doing so e.g saying he’s been treated unfairly when he simply hasn’t.

I’m personally desperate to see the things others think they can in Scott at the moment but just can’t and definitely feel like we can trust the judgement of a good coaching team who see all the players every day.

He’s a joy to watch when in prime form - I’d love to see it again but at the moment I just can’t get away from the fact that Newell, JDH and Magennis offer a lot more and I’m not going to get upset by that.

[jeffers]

He didn’t start the next game because Magennis played very well as far as I recall.

I wasn’t meaning you when I talked about people implying an agenda - but I’ve seen plenty of people more or less doing so e.g saying he’s been treated unfairly when he simply hasn’t.

I’m personally desperate to see the things others think they can in Scott at the moment but just can’t and definitely feel like we can trust the judgement of a good coaching team who see all the players every day.

He’s a joy to watch when in prime form - I’d love to see it again but at the moment I just can’t get away from the fact that Newell, JDH and Magennis offer a lot more and I’m not going to get upset by that.

Fair enough, I appreciate the reply.

[Shrekko]

Fair enough, I appreciate the reply.

👍

[J-C]

He was fit last season but Ross refused to play him. He wanted to stay at Hibs, but wasn’t going to get any game time so that left taking up the option as a coach. It doesn’t equate to Ross being right, just that he got to influence the decision DG ultimately made.

But surely Ross not picking him and subsequently him retiring shows why Ross was correct not to play him because he felt he was not upto the task anymore. The same thing happening with Allan, Gray could've dropped down a league but Ross obviously sees the benefit of having him around coaching.

[lord bunberry]

Scott looked lost in that position today. Allan would have offered more, just even in terms of knowing where to be. We were a man down first half but it wasn’t all down to Scott IMO, it was a mistake asking him to play that position.
I completely agree, he’s never a playmaker like Allan.

[jeffers]

But surely Ross not picking him and subsequently him retiring shows why Ross was correct not to play him because he felt he was not upto the task anymore.

Not really no. He retired because he wasn’t going to get a game, not because he didn’t think he was able and was persuaded to take up the coaching role.

[LeithMike]

This nonsense about him “not fancying him” makes absolutely no sense based on so many things but I get the feeling it’s trying to create the “Jack Ross doesn’t like flair players” narrative to those who will simply never take to him.


I disagree. I actually think Ross doesn't fancy him. I think it's clear to see from Ross's signings (Murphy, Mackay) that his key attacking players are wide forwards with lots of pace and he likes energy and industry in the middle (Magennis, JDH). When he came in, I think he wanted to play 4-4-2 and Scott Allan ended up playing wide left. He's clearly not got the pace for that.

Allan is a player who you have to build your team around and most of the attacking play goes through. I just dont think that is the way Ross wants to play but I dont think that means Ross doesnt like flair players - I just think he likes players with pace and attacking verve.

I think some of the conclusions elsewhere on this thread that because Allan isnt getting a game means he is finished. I just don't think he fits into the manager's system neatly. That's not to say he might not have a part to play though, particularly with our injuries.

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[bigwheel]

I disagree. I actually think Ross doesn't fancy him. I think it's clear to see from Ross's signings (Murphy, Mackay) that his key attacking players are wide forwards with lots of pace and he likes energy and industry in the middle (Magennis, JDH). When he came in, I think he wanted to play 4-4-2 and Scott Allan ended up playing wide left. He's clearly not got the pace for that.

Allan is a player who you have to build your team around and most of the attacking play goes through. I just dont think that is the way Ross wants to play but I dont think that means Ross doesnt like flair players - I just think he likes players with pace and attacking verve.

I think some of the conclusions elsewhere on this thread that because Allan isnt getting a game means he is finished. I just don't think he fits into the manager's system neatly. That's not to say he might not have a part to play though, particularly with our injuries.

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If he didn’t fancy him , Why didn’t he get him a move on loan?

Allan does as you say require a certain shape , at the moment it is hard to find him a slot …also, everyone can see he’s not in the fitness that he was a couple of years ago…Ross seems to making the right calls, and Allan is not getting much game time.

[Allez Hibs]

If he didn’t fancy him , Why didn’t he get him a move on loan?

Allan does as you say require a certain shape , at the moment it is hard to find him a slot …also, everyone can see he’s not in the fitness that he was a couple of years ago…Ross seems to making the right calls, and Allan is not getting much game time.

It has been widely documented that he was part of the botched McGrath deal with St Mirren as a makeweight.

[bigwheel]

It has been widely documented that he was part of the botched McGrath deal with St Mirren as a makeweight.

It was also widely reported that McGrath was on his way to Boro before a late collapse in the deal..

If Ross didn’t rate Allan, he wouldn’t have waited until an unforeseen opportunity raised its head to seek to exit him ..

[B.H.F.C]

It was also widely reported that McGrath was on his way to Boro before a late collapse in the deal..

If Ross didn’t rate Allan, he wouldn’t have waited until an unforeseen opportunity raised its head to seek to exit him ..

He’s hardly giving him any time on the pitch. He played an out of position, on loan striker in his position today. A week after trying to move him on.

I don’t think there is much more evidence needed to suggest that he doesn’t really see him as part of his plans.

[Bishop Hibee]

You either build a team round Scott Allan or you don’t. Ross has chosen the latter and results are vindicating his choice. Pains me as I love Allan but results speak for themselves. I expect he’ll go out on loan in the next window.

[Brightside]

He’s not playing cause he’s not currently good enough to command a starting slot.

[MWHIBBIES]

You either build a team round Scott Allan or you don’t. Ross has chosen the latter and results are vindicating his choice. Pains me as I love Allan but results speak for themselves. I expect he’ll go out on loan in the next window.

Allan has done well many times for Hibs when the team wasn't built around him. Hecky certainly didn't and he was our only player for weeks then.

[J-C]

He’s not playing cause he’s not currently good enough to command a starting slot.


Unfortunately this is true, Allan isn't the 1st and won't be the last really good player to come and go at Hibs, it comes to all players eventually.

[Slim Shady]

Played 90 mins today and scored the last min winner against Falkirk. 2-1 Hibs

[Billy Whizz]

Played 90 mins today and scored the last min winner against Falkirk. 2-1 Hibs

Who all played?

[500miles]

Played 90 mins today and scored the last min winner against Falkirk. 2-1 Hibs

Apparently we had trialists on the bench?

[bigwheel]

Played 90 mins today and scored the last min winner against Falkirk. 2-1 Hibs

Great to hear.

[He's here!]

Unfortunately this is true, Allan isn't the 1st and won't be the last really good player to come and go at Hibs, it comes to all players eventually.

I think that would easier for the player and the fans to accept if he had simply faded through age. Unfortunately, his third spell at the club has been endlessly blighted by medical issues from which it appears he is not able to fully recover. I find it hard to imagine Ross would not be making more use of a fully-fit Scott Allan.

What makes it especially sad is that Scott Allan and Hibs just go together. You don't get too many players like that these days. He's produced far and away his finest form for us and was outstanding in his first two spells and it's a real source of regret that he (and we) appear to have been denied the chance to see him maintain that form due to really unfortunate circumstances.

[keep the faith]

Played 90 mins today and scored the last min winner against Falkirk. 2-1 Hibs

Great news. Keep fighting away Scotty!

[blackpoolhibs]

Scott Allan is probably my favourite this century, i'd love him to play and do what he's done in the past.

I think the manager see's a little more of him than we do, and if he thinks the players he's picking will do better then who am i to question him?

Results do back the manager, sometimes we have to back the manager on things.:top marks

[oneone73]

Scott Allan is probably my favourite this century

Ahead of Sauzee and Latapy?

[Smartie]

Ahead of Sauzee and Latapy?

This may be controversial, but Scott Allan fit and on his game is up there with those 2.

That drop of shoulder, wee burst of pace to get by someone and then the weight of pass at the end of it...

[tamig]

This may be controversial, but Scott Allan fit and on his game is up there with those 2.

That drop of shoulder, wee burst of pace to get by someone and then the weight of pass at the end of it...

I agree.

[bingo70]

This may be controversial, but Scott Allan fit and on his game is up there with those 2.

That drop of shoulder, wee burst of pace to get by someone and then the weight of pass at the end of it...

Each to their own but not for me.

Latapy the closest equivalent in terms of the position they played but IMO Latapy a good stretch ahead of him.

[andudare2]

This may be controversial, but Scott Allan fit and on his game is up there with those 2.

That drop of shoulder, wee burst of pace to get by someone and then the weight of pass at the end of it...not on the same level as those guys and never will be.Scott is a very good player,Sauzee and Latapy were well above being very good though.

[SMAXXA]

Apparently we had trialists on the bench?

Big CH I believe got the last 15m

[Allez Hibs]

Each to their own but not for me.

Latapy the closest equivalent in terms of the position they played but IMO Latapy a good stretch ahead of him.

Latapy is miles ahead of Scott Allan if compared.

[Callum_62]

This may be controversial, but Scott Allan fit and on his game is up there with those 2.

That drop of shoulder, wee burst of pace to get by someone and then the weight of pass at the end of it...As good as Scott was he wasn't near either Sauzee or Latapy

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[Centre Hawf]

Scott Allan on his day was an absolutely majestic player to watch for us in his first two spells. He arrived a time when we had been exposed to years of absolutely dire, turgid, talentless football. Then he arrived and he made me want to go watch Hibs again week on week (amongst the rest of the football we played obviously). Even in his 2nd spell he added that finishing touch to create a midfield three that I still believe was the best in the country for that half of the season.

Maybe his better days are behind him, I don't know. He doesn't deserve to start as everyone else says. But I just want to see him be able to fight for it, and if it doesn't work out by January and he and the club feels its best to move on then he'll go with my good wishes. But until then I just want to see him used when times call for it rather than fearing turning to him.

[Nicho87]

Watched randomly the highlights hibs v sheep 3-0 couple years back now

His pass through to Boyle utterly ridiculous

Love the boy.

[FilipinoHibs]

Each to their own but not for me.

Latapy the closest equivalent in terms of the position they played but IMO Latapy a good stretch ahead of him.

Latapy was consistently outstanding in almost every game. We can't say that about Allan. Latapy was much more involved in the game than Allan.

[HoboHarry]

This may be controversial, but Scott Allan fit and on his game is up there with those 2.

That drop of shoulder, wee burst of pace to get by someone and then the weight of pass at the end of it...

Scott Allan has been a good player for us but the notion that he is up there with Latapy is just fanciful. Wee Russell was a mile ahead of where Scott Allan will ever be.

[flash]

This may be controversial, but Scott Allan fit and on his game is up there with those 2.

That drop of shoulder, wee burst of pace to get by someone and then the weight of pass at the end of it...

It's not controversial it's just plain wrong. He is great in his day but those two were simply majestic.

[Allez Hibs]

Frank Sauzee - Champions League Winner
Russell Latapy - Played in the Champions League for Porto in 1996 before 4th placed teams were getting in and went on to play in a World Cup

Scott Allan is nowhere near them. But is it down to how far we had fallen that we had a stand out player and think we can make the comparison? Is this a byproduct of the poorer quality of the leagues since 2000? Hibs Hearts and Rangers all played Championship Football when Scott Allan was standing out initially.

[BILLYHIBS]

Wee Russell is up there but does anyone remember the game back in 2015 when Scottie ran the show versus Der Hun and Ian Black got himself booked then subbed last heard of playing for Tranent Juniors

Pure dead brilliant so it wiz :greengrin

[Smartie]

Scott Allan was a big part of dragging us up off our knees after relegation. Yes, he started in the Championship with us but so did Latapy and Sauzee (neither of whom I want to put down in any way in order to make a point). When Allan got fit during the Championship season he stood out a mile.

The best we got from Allan was during that half season with Lennon though. At that point he was playing in the top league in a good team, and he was different class. That team got the most points in Scotland during that half of the season and he was a big part of it.

Sauzee and Latapy were both magnificent but ON HIS DAY Scott Allan could influence games in the same way as they could. He probably wasn't quite as consistent as Latapy (who was immaculate during his whole time with us) and comparing him to Sauzee is a bit like comparing apples and oranges.

I'm happy that he's spoken of in the same breath as those excellent players. When I look back on my time watching Hibs, Scott Allan will be up there with my favourite players.

[Smartie]

Wee Russell is up there but does anyone remember the game back in 2015 when Scottie ran the show versus Der Hun and Ian Black got himself booked then subbed last heard of playing for Tranent Juniors

Pure dead brilliant so it wiz :greengrin

It was a phenomenal performance.

From being relegated at home to Hamilton in May to sticking 4 past the huns at Christmas and Scott Allan running the show. One of my favourite ever team and individual performances.

[TrinityHibs]

Wee Russell is up there but does anyone remember the game back in 2015 when Scottie ran the show versus Der Hun and Ian Black got himself booked then subbed last heard of playing for Tranent Juniors

Pure dead brilliant so it wiz :greengrin

4-0 going on 10. I have never seen a Hibs team dominate the Rangers the way we did that day. One of my favourite games.

[BlackSheep]

Since the closure of the transfer window, Scott has really upped his training and has been staying late, more effort and doing additional training… trying to win Jack Ross back over. I’m glad to hear this and I’m sure many other are too.

[allmodcons]

Since the closure of the transfer window, Scott has really upped his training and has been staying late, more effort and doing additional training… trying to win Jack Ross back over. I’m glad to hear this and I’m sure many other are too.

That's really good to hear.

He's been written off by some posters, so nice to see he is working hard to get back in to JR's plans.

[Peevemor]

Since the closure of the transfer window, Scott has really upped his training and has been staying late, more effort and doing additional training… trying to win Jack Ross back over. I’m glad to hear this and I’m sure many other are too.

Fingers crossed.

[evy]

Since the closure of the transfer window, Scott has really upped his training and has been staying late, more effort and doing additional training… trying to win Jack Ross back over. I’m glad to hear this and I’m sure many other are too.

That can only be a good thing. Only the coaching staff and Scotty himself know where he is now and where he needs to be, hopefully the trajectory is upwards.

[Iggy Pope]

Hibs seem to use his lovely wee coupon on their Twitter feed at every opportunity. There doesn’t appear to be any disenchantment and I’m glad about that.

[Since452]

Hibs seem to use his lovely wee coupon on their Twitter feed at every opportunity. There doesn’t appear to be any disenchantment and I’m glad about that.

Thought that too. Wonder if he'll feature tomorrow

[Iggy Pope]

Thought that too. Wonder if he'll feature tomorrow

If not then he’s a PR dream.

[Iggy Pope]

https://i.ibb.co/pXLPfBg/F48-C22-E8-18-DF-4-CEB-9255-76-ED32-E70085.jpg (https://ibb.co/w6zLSFT)

[J-C]

Since the closure of the transfer window, Scott has really upped his training and has been staying late, more effort and doing additional training… trying to win Jack Ross back over. I’m glad to hear this and I’m sure many other are too.


Glad to hear this, he may not be a 1st choice any more but he can still be a valuable member of the squad, his experience and skills will be needed during the season.

[blackpoolhibs]

Since the closure of the transfer window, Scott has really upped his training and has been staying late, more effort and doing additional training… trying to win Jack Ross back over. I’m glad to hear this and I’m sure many other are too.

I'm one of Scotts biggest fans, but i actually dont think this is as great news as others seem to think.

Why has he not been giving 100% before, and trying to win Jack over?

[Since452]

Since the closure of the transfer window, Scott has really upped his training and has been staying late, more effort and doing additional training… trying to win Jack Ross back over. I’m glad to hear this and I’m sure many other are too.

That's the kind of attitude i want from Hibs players

[J-C]

I'm one of Scotts biggest fans, but i actually dont think this is as great news as others seem to think.

Why has he not been giving 100% before, and trying to win Jack over?


Probably has but remember he missed a big chunk of football due to his health scare and will be paying catch up, it's great he realises this and wants to do more.

[flash]

Since the closure of the transfer window, Scott has really upped his training and has been staying late, more effort and doing additional training… trying to win Jack Ross back over. I’m glad to hear this and I’m sure many other are too.

Imagine having the old Scott Allan back. Hopefully he is able to manage his health and still perform to his full ability.

[blackpoolhibs]

Probably has but remember he missed a big chunk of football due to his health scare and will be paying catch up, it's great he realises this and wants to do more.

Aye perhaps, although it seems he's had a bit of a kick up the erse, and he's reacted the right way.

I hope he can get back to what we all know he can do, as he's a wonderful player when fit.

[Stuart93]

Since the closure of the transfer window, Scott has really upped his training and has been staying late, more effort and doing additional training… trying to win Jack Ross back over. I’m glad to hear this and I’m sure many other are too.

Me & my brother were sitting within touching distance of him on Saturday and both said he looks a lot trimmer than he was earlier in the season. Want nothing more than a fit Scott Allan doing what he does.

It’s also unfortunate for him that Magennis has found such good form

[jacomo]

I'm one of Scotts biggest fans, but i actually dont think this is as great news as others seem to think.

Why has he not been giving 100% before, and trying to win Jack over?


Cos he’s a human being?

[scoopyboy]

That's the kind of attitude i want from Hibs players

What, you think they should just piss about in training and only when they are nearly out the door they take a shake.

No mate, they should be working hard all the time.

[J-C]

What, you think they should just piss about in training and only when they are nearly out the door they take a shake.

No mate, they should be working hard all the time.


Has he been pissing about at training?

[Tobias Funke]

Frank Sauzee - Champions League Winner
Russell Latapy - Played in the Champions League for Porto in 1996 before 4th placed teams were getting in and went on to play in a World Cup

Scott Allan is nowhere near them. But is it down to how far we had fallen that we had a stand out player and think we can make the comparison? Is this a byproduct of the poorer quality of the leagues since 2000? Hibs Hearts and Rangers all played Championship Football when Scott Allan was standing out initially.

I will start off by saying I am a huge fan of Scott, absolute quality midfielder and the type of player I love to watch. However, he is nowhere near as good as Latapy and Sauzee. It’s not even close.

I would compare Scott to Liam Miller, another who was a joy to watch on his day. Allan more capable of that killer pass but Miller had ability in spades and was a player I’d love to have seen in a better Hibs side, like the 2017/18 one playing McGeouchs role.

[Unseen work]

Dear god it’s not hard to work out that he’s doing a bit more to get noticed.

That doesn’t mean he’s not trying in training. He might have before put in 100% in training for the length of time it lasted then went home.

Maybe now he’s working harder by adapting his game to suit what Jack Ross wants? Working more in his own time defensively and winning the ball back.

In the gym he might be doing more explosive work to make him get faster and be stronger in winning the ball back and protecting it when he gets it.

Just because he’s putting in more effort now doesn’t mean that he wasn’t trying in training.

[scoopyboy]

Has he been pissing about at training?

Not heard that, I'm only going by what Black Sheep has said.

Since his move fell through he is now seemingly working really hard, so why was he not working hard before?

My point was you shouldn't need a possible transfer to make you buck your ideas up.

We all know the stick that Stevenson and Hanlon get on here but those two knock their pan in, day in day out. When they hang their boots up they know they gave it their all and will have no regrets.

[scoopyboy]

Dear god it’s not hard to work out that he’s doing a bit more to get noticed.

That doesn’t mean he’s not trying in training. He might have before put in 100% in training for the length of time it lasted then went home.

Maybe now he’s working harder by adapting his game to suit what Jack Ross wants? Working more in his own time defensively and winning the ball back.

In the gym he might be doing more explosive work to make him get faster and be stronger in winning the ball back and protecting it when he gets it.

Just because he’s putting in more effort now doesn’t mean that he wasn’t trying in training.

So why wasn't he doing that before then?

[J-C]

Not heard that, I'm only going by what Black Sheep has said.

Since his move fell through he is now seemingly working really hard, so why was he not working hard before?

My point was you shouldn't need a possible transfer to make you buck your ideas up.

We all know the stick that Stevenson and Hanlon get on here but those two knock their pan in, day in day out. When they hang their boots up they know they gave it their all and will have no regrets.

Has he just assumed he'd get back into the team on talent alone and Ross has told him to buck your ideas up or you'll be offski. The possible loan that didn't come off was maybe a eye opener for Allan.

[Unseen work]

So why wasn't he doing that before then?

Maybe it was a case of not needing to?

When Ross first came in Allan started the vast majority of games.

Last season he started off in the team before his heart condition left him out for months. He then went on loan to get games under his belt.

This season he started off as the first choice attacking mid with Magennis on the bench, one red card and a slight knock and he was out of the team.

Maybe he’s seeing what Magennis offers behind the striker and realises he’ll need to do similar off the ball to get back in?

[Lancs Harp]

Isnt this just a question of due to his illness Scott just isnt capable of playing 90 minutes at this level? Buckets of talent but in the modern game you need more than that. He's never going to be a regular starter for Hibs going forward or if he does he off after an hour. Sad in many ways but its where Scott is.

[Smartie]

Isnt this just a question of due to his illness Scott just isnt capable of playing 90 minutes at this level? Buckets of talent but in the modern game you need more than that. He's never going to be a regular starter for Hibs going forward or if he does he off after an hour. Sad in many ways but its where Scott is.

It might be, none of us really know.

I don't think he looks as nimble as he once did. It might be because of his illness, it might be because he's bulked up incorrectly. The main difference I've seen in him though is that he doesn't appear to be agile enough, to move his limbs like a professional footballer should.

The lovely weight of pass and the like is still there, you even get a wee burst of pace from time to time but something just isn't the same.

It's also worth remembering that box to box energy was never his game in the first place. It was short burst to create space then either create or score himself.

We've heard a few times in the past about Scott Allan redoubling his efforts to achieve peak fitness. I don't know what that might look like any more, but if he thinks he can find a little bit extra something from somewhere then that can only be good for us.

[lord bunberry]

Should start the next game. I thought he was behind almost everything good we did in the second half. If he gets a run of games I’ve no doubt we’ll see the Scott Allan of old.

[Brightside]

Should start the next game. I thought he was behind almost everything good we did in the second half. If he gets a run of games I’ve no doubt we’ll see the Scott Allan of old.

He was great going forward but 100% to blame for letting his man go for the goal.

[J-C]

Should start the next game. I thought he was behind almost everything good we did in the second half. If he gets a run of games I’ve no doubt we’ll see the Scott Allan of old.


Made an immediate impact and showed glimpses of the old Allan, his side foot cross for McGinn's goal was sublime, great vision and a much needed boost for the squad getting him back playing well again.

[jeffers]

Don’t know what the difference was today but he looked at it from the start today. Great to see him contributing again.

[Allez Hibs]

Ran the show when he came on.

[bingo70]

Thought he did really well when he came on, made a huge difference in the second half.

[calumhibee1]

Scary to think we were willing to get rid of him.

We should be desperately trying to find a formation that gets him in the team.

[hibee_girl]

Thought he did really well when he came on, made a huge difference in the second half.

:agree:

The sooner he can play 90 minutes the better

[eastmainsmsh]

keep it up 👍 would’ve been gutted if he went

[A Hi-Bee]

Class is permanent, his body may end up letting him down over a long season but still one of my fav players to watch.

[Helensburghhibs]

Though he was excellent when he came on and even a couple of what look like hit and hope passes over the top would have came off if him and Nisbet were on the same page (only comes with playing together)

[Centre Hawf]

Seen enough. Start him.

[Nakedmanoncrack]

Was the difference between 1 point (almost 3) and the zero we were going to get without him. Great impact after the dire 1st half, but like the rest of side, had faded by the end & they certainly finished stronger & were worthy of a point.

[Nicho87]

Mad to think he could have been on the opposite 11 today.

I know Ross has signed decent players but the fact Allan was 30 minutes short of going and then Ross now telling bbc today he’s gave him something to think about.

I find that strange

[Keith_M]

I realise my opinion is a bit extreme but... if a player like Allan (when fit) doesn't fit into your system then I'd question that system, not Allan.

I realise he's not ideal defensively but what he does contribute more than makes up for that.

[Peevemor]

Mad to think he could have been on the opposite 11 today.

I know Ross has signed decent players but the fact Allan was 30 minutes short of going and then Ross now telling bbc today he’s gave him something to think about.

I find that strange

It's not strange if it worked.

[J-C]

Mad to think he could have been on the opposite 11 today.

I know Ross has signed decent players but the fact Allan was 30 minutes short of going and then Ross now telling bbc today he’s gave him something to think about.

I find that strange


I think the McGrath deal was a loan for Allan and Wright, so couldn't play against us.

[Helensburghhibs]

I realise my opinion is a bit extreme but... if a player like Allan (when fit) doesn't fit into your system then I'd question that system, not Allan.

I realise he's not ideal defensively but what he does contribute more than makes up for that.

Agree

[calumhibee1]

I realise my opinion is a bit extreme but... if a player like Allan (when fit) doesn't fit into your system then I'd question that system, not Allan.

I realise he's not ideal defensively but what he does contribute more than makes up for that.

Agree.

He’s a player who when he’s at it should really be well outwith out reach. Our system should be designed to make sure him, Boyle and Nisbet are at it as much as possible and preferably all on the pitch and at it at the same time.

[jeffers]

I realise my opinion is a bit extreme but... if a player like Allan (when fit) doesn't fit into your system then I'd question that system, not Allan.

I realise he's not ideal defensively but what he does contribute more than makes up for that.

I don’t think it’s extreme at all, has always been my opinion of him, focus on his strengths, not his negatives. Does Murphy for example offer much defensively, although I appreciate they play in different positions ?

[Smartie]

Outstanding today, motm by a mile and it’s great to have him back.

He had 2 of 3 other moments that could have led to goals if more of our players were on their game today.

If that had been the case then any culpability for the 2nd St Mirren goal would have been immaterial.

It’s a shame if there was any blame attached to him for the goal, as that really wasn’t the story of his afternoon.

He’s back.

[BlackSheep]

I have it on good authority that Scott has been quite lazy in training earlier in the season, which Jack Ross took a disliking to.

He is now back screwing the nut as they say as he realises hard work gets you picked over talent in Ross’s eyes.

According to my source Ross has changed the mentality of the club since coming in, for then better, emphasis on hard work and fitness.

I think it’s clear to see that Scott is getting more minutes as he is proving he is worth them… on the downside Scott’s health has also been a factor in his training, whether it’s stopped him going the extra mile or he is conscious of over doing it.

Catch 22 for Allan cos if he puts in the effort he’ll get game time, but it could also exasperate his health issues.

Fantastic from him today, definitely one of the most intelligent footballers I’ve seen play.

[LeithMike]

Outstanding today, motm by a mile and it’s great to have him back.

He had 2 of 3 other moments that could have led to goals if more of our players were on their game today.

If that had been the case then any culpability for the 2nd St Mirren goal would have been immaterial.

It’s a shame if there was any blame attached to him for the goal, as that really wasn’t the story of his afternoon.

He’s back.Totally agree. He was at the heart of all Hibs' meaningful attacks. I'm pretty sure he wasn't really expected to track back to his own goal either so one of the 3 central midfielders should have been keeping an eye out.

Really good contribution, from a position he's not entirely comfortable, and gives us a completely different dimension. The current midfield 3 will have to improve to keep him out the team.

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[jeffers]

I have it on good authority that Scott has been quite lazy in training earlier in the season, which Jack Ross took a disliking to.

He is now back screwing the nut as they say as he realises hard work gets you picked over talent in Ross’s eyes.

According to my source Ross has changed the mentality of the club since coming in, for then better, emphasis on hard work and fitness.

I think it’s clear to see that Scott is getting more minutes as he is proving he is worth them… on the downside Scott’s health has also been a factor in his training, whether it’s stopped him going the extra mile or he is conscious of over doing it.

Catch 22 for Allan cos if he puts in the effort he’ll get game time, but it could also exasperate his health issues.

Fantastic from him today, definitely one of the most intelligent footballers I’ve seen play.

I heard similar the other day and was really disappointed about it. Was also really surprised and wondered if he was just struggling to train fully. I’ve been critical of JR for not giving Allan more game time, but I can’t blame him if he’s not been seen to be putting in the required effort in training. Today was a marker, hopefully he starts on Thursday and goes on to play regularly.

[500miles]

Saw both sides of Allan today. Great set up for McGinn, but totally left for dead when Marcus Fraser broke.

Certainly he's got a place in the squad.

[hibby6270]

His vision for the cross on the first goal today was inspirational. It had to be a great finish as well of course but without Scotty ‘trying something’, the goal would never have been scored!!

Health permitting, he should play as often as he can imo.

[Shrekko]

One swallow doesn’t make a summer but he looked totally different today and basically brilliant for most of that half.

[lord bunberry]

Him coming on at halftime totally lifted the crowd which had been really flat up until that point. His pass for the first goal was sublime, we simply have to find a way to fit him into the team every week. All the talk about him not being the player he used to be was utter nonsense and not based on anything other than the fact that he had a health problem. Scott Allan is one of the best players I’ve ever seen in a hibs shirt and the fact that so many fans were prepared to write him off bemuses me, more worryingly our manager was willing to swap him for a player that couldn’t lace his boots. Form is temporary, class is permanent.

[lord bunberry]

I also see that his detractors are now inventing stories about him not training properly. :rolleyes: I’m not having that.

[J-C]

I have it on good authority that Scott has been quite lazy in training earlier in the season, which Jack Ross took a disliking to.

He is now back screwing the nut as they say as he realises hard work gets you picked over talent in Ross’s eyes.

According to my source Ross has changed the mentality of the club since coming in, for then better, emphasis on hard work and fitness.

I think it’s clear to see that Scott is getting more minutes as he is proving he is worth them… on the downside Scott’s health has also been a factor in his training, whether it’s stopped him going the extra mile or he is conscious of over doing it.

Catch 22 for Allan cos if he puts in the effort he’ll get game time, but it could also exasperate his health issues.

Fantastic from him today, definitely one of the most intelligent footballers I’ve seen play.

It was mentioned on the PM board.

[Bostonhibby]

I always like to think that we should have a place for game changing talented footballer at Hibs.

Scott Allan is that. I remember hearing that players like Willie Hamilton and Ally MaCleod weren't the best trainers but to be honest I never paid to watch them train.



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[Hibeewilly]

Him coming on at halftime totally lifted the crowd which had been really flat up until that point. His pass for the first goal was sublime, we simply have to find a way to fit him into the team every week. All the talk about him not being the player he used to be was utter nonsense and not based on anything other than the fact that he had a health problem. Scott Allan is one of the best players I’ve ever seen in a hibs shirt and the fact that so many fans were prepared to write him off bemuses me, more worryingly our manager was willing to swap him for a player that couldn’t lace his boots. Form is temporary, class is permanent.
Good post M'lud agree 100%......he was involved in practically everything we created

[Smartie]

I thought he looked miles sharper today though.

I’ve always been a fan and he showed us what he’s capable of today but he hasn’t looked fit enough to stake a realistic claim for a starting slot until today.

Maybe also worth remembering that when he first joined, he took a few months to get up to speed. He looked sluggish and ordinary in a Hibs team that was toiling, it was possibly late October or November by the time he hit his stride.

[lord bunberry]

Good post M'lud agree 100%......he was involved in practically everything we created
He changed the game. We were dreadful in the first half.

[jeffers]

I also see that his detractors are now inventing stories about him not training properly. :rolleyes: I’m not having that.

I couldn’t be anywhere further from being a Scott Allan detractor, but I heard it too.

[Hibeewilly]

He changed the game. We were dreadful in the first half.
Absolutely. I'm glad the deal that would have taken him to St Mirren didn't go through. There's no way our defence/midfield could handle Scott Allan.....his foresight is on a different level

[wookie70]

Not a big fan but he made a big difference today. Good ball to the back post for the equaliser and generally did the simple things well and didn't lose possession. Held the ball really well in tight areas too and his decision making was much better than usual which meant he never gave the ball away cheaply that I can remember. Most of the good things we did involved Scottie and it was due to him getting the ball moving quickly and simply something I want to see him do more.

Hard to believe but his defending was actually worse than normal. He is never going to be brilliant when we don't have the ball but he at least needs to make some effort. I'm with one of the posters on the match day thread, when we went ahead, I would have considered taking him off. The half will have done him good and Jack Ross will see he can still make a difference but if we are starting to be put under pressure then he is a man short

[jakedance]

Changed the game, lifted the crowd and he’s a joy to watch. I don’t know why he’s not playing more but he’s an essential part of the squad as far as I’m concerned. Players who try things win games (although admittedly not this one unfortunately).

[Pretty Boy]

JR spoke well about Scott on the radio and made it clear they talk regularly and get on well.

Scott wants to play. Ross wants to win games for Hibs. Those 2 things aren't mutually exclusive. Ross made it clear SA has to take the chances when he gets them and said he had done that today. We all know what a fit, focused and sharp Scott Allan can do, so does the manager.

[crieffhibee]

Absolutely changed the game today. His willingness to go forward gave the team and the fans a lift which eventually got us ahead.

[B.H.F.C]

JR spoke well about Scott on the radio and made it clear they talk regularly and get on well.

Scott wants to play. Ross wants to win games for Hibs. Those 2 things aren't mutually exclusive. Ross made it clear SA has to take the chances when he gets them and said he had done that today. We all know what a fit, focused and sharp Scott Allan can do, so does the manager.

Today has to have pushed him forward for a start. He looked far more like his old self, right from the minute he came on.

[BlackSheep]

I also see that his detractors are now inventing stories about him not training properly. :rolleyes: I’m not having that.

Definitely not an Allan detractor either. Never had a bad word to say of him.

The info I get is from a youth team player… not the PM board as some may suggest.

I’d love to see Scott starting every week, unfortunately if he does I don’t see him playing many 90 minute matches from what I’ve been told.

[BlackSheep]

JR spoke well about Scott on the radio and made it clear they talk regularly and get on well.

Scott wants to play. Ross wants to win games for Hibs. Those 2 things aren't mutually exclusive. Ross made it clear SA has to take the chances when he gets them and said he had done that today. We all know what a fit, focused and sharp Scott Allan can do, so does the manager.

Exactly this… Ross and Allan are not by anyway enemies but when it comes down to football Ross demands very high standards and Scott wasn’t hitting those marks, the shock of potentially leaving has got him buckling down now and friendship/relationships aside, it hard working players that Ross favours… may this be the fresh start Allan was needing (or the kick up the backside).

[shetlandhibee]

Him coming on at halftime totally lifted the crowd which had been really flat up until that point. His pass for the first goal was sublime, we simply have to find a way to fit him into the team every week. All the talk about him not being the player he used to be was utter nonsense and not based on anything other than the fact that he had a health problem. Scott Allan is one of the best players I’ve ever seen in a hibs shirt and the fact that so many fans were prepared to write him off bemuses me, more worryingly our manager was willing to swap him for a player that couldn’t lace his boots. Form is temporary, class is permanent.:top marks:top marks spot :top markson post :agree:

[keep the faith]

Not a big fan but he made a big difference today. Good ball to the back post for the equaliser and generally did the simple things well and didn't lose possession. Held the ball really well in tight areas too and his decision making was much better than usual which meant he never gave the ball away cheaply that I can remember. Most of the good things we did involved Scottie and it was due to him getting the ball moving quickly and simply something I want to see him do more.

Hard to believe but his defending was actually worse than normal. He is never going to be brilliant when we don't have the ball but he at least needs to make some effort. I'm with one of the posters on the match day thread, when we went ahead, I would have considered taking him off. The half will have done him good and Jack Ross will see he can still make a difference but if we are starting to be put under pressure then he is a man short

Jeez. I'm glad your not the manager. Scott was a joy to watch today. He changes games and his touches and vision is the stuff I am happy to pay to watch at ER. Hibs class.

[heretoday]

Allan has some guile about him. He'll be even better when he's fully fit.

[Nicho87]

Ross hasn’t got 100% off the fans prob lucky if 75% imho

For him to allow Allan leave in the window gone by is a red flag

I am no big Ross fan at all but he has improved the team since hecky

Football ain’t great consistent enough for me personally

But Scott Allan being allowed to leave is poor judgment.

There are plenty others at Easter road way before Scott Allan should have been even considered letting go to st Mirren.

[Lancs Harp]

Allan has some guile about him. He'll be even better when he's fully fit.

Think thats the issue though mate. I dont think Scotty will ever be fully fit again and be able to deliver a full 90 minutes at the top level.

[147lothian]

I always like to think that we should have a place for game changing talented footballer at Hibs.

Scott Allan is that. I remember hearing that players like Willie Hamilton and Ally MaCleod weren't the best trainers but to be honest I never paid to watch them train.



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Absolutely, a player who can change a game and make it look all so easy is worth paying to see, how much have we missed his vision in the middle of the park.

[bingo70]

Allan has some guile about him. He'll be even better when he's fully fit.

He’s fully fit now?

He was brilliant when he came on I thought in an attacking sense. I think his position has changed and is probably a number 10 now rather than an attacking midfielder.

[Smartie]

Ross hasn’t got 100% off the fans prob lucky if 75% imho

For him to allow Allan leave in the window gone by is a red flag

I am no big Ross fan at all but he has improved the team since hecky

Football ain’t great consistent enough for me personally

But Scott Allan being allowed to leave is poor judgment.

There are plenty others at Easter road way before Scott Allan should have been even considered letting go to st Mirren.

I’m a huge Scott Allan fan but I wouldn’t be using this as a stick to beat Ross with.

The Scott Allan we saw today we haven’t seen for a while.

Ross has actually used Allan a fair amount and even if only through necessity has continued to give him opportunities.

Bobby Williamson will forever be blighted by a transfer that didn’t even happen.

Who knows - this might end up being the making of Allan, Ross and Hibs, a well timed wee kick up the backside.

[Smartie]

Think thats the issue though mate. I dont think Scotty will ever be fully fit again and be able to deliver a full 90 minutes at the top level.

He can deliver the 45 he delivered today any time he likes though.

[Lancs Harp]

He can deliver the 45 he delivered today any time he likes though.

Quite possibly but going forward will Hibs be happy paying someone what we pay Scotty to deliver 45 mins, 30 mins, 15 mins every now and then? Ive enjoyed greatly his contribution to Hibs over the years but Id be surprised if he was Hibs player next season.

[tmb1875]

Allan has said numerous times he’s as fit as he’s ever been and as fit as he’s gonna get without playing week in week out, can understand his heading dropping being hooked in our 1st European game despite having a good pre season then getting over looked for others no where near his level. Seeing jack ross favourites play through poor form or straight back in from injury. Guys played 2 half games and got 2 assists. Play him every week and he’ll guarantee you assists and goals.
Also IMO No fault of his for 2nd goal today he’s passed the goal scorer onto doig. Doig needs to attack that and clear it away. Not for the 1st time doigs inability to defend has cost us along with mcginn and macey making repeated mistakes leading to goals.


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[H18 SFR]

Allan has said numerous times he’s as fit as he’s ever been and as fit as he’s gonna get without playing week in week out, can understand his heading dropping being hooked in our 1st European game despite having a good pre season then getting over looked for others no where near his level. Seeing jack ross favourites play through poor form or straight back in from injury. Guys played 2 half games and got 2 assists. Play him every week and he’ll guarantee you assists and goals.
Also IMO No fault of his for 2nd goal today he’s passed the goal scorer onto doig. Doig needs to attack that and clear it away. Not for the 1st time doigs inability to defend has cost us along with mcginn and macey making repeated mistakes leading to goals.


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Jack Ross’ favourites 😂😂😂

[jeffers]

Jack Ross’ favourites 😂😂😂

You don’t think he has favourites ? I certainly do.

[KingPat4]

Ross hasn’t got 100% off the fans prob lucky if 75% imho

For him to allow Allan leave in the window gone by is a red flag

I am no big Ross fan at all but he has improved the team since hecky

Football ain’t great consistent enough for me personally

But Scott Allan being allowed to leave is poor judgment.

There are plenty others at Easter road way before Scott Allan should have been even considered letting go to st Mirren.

:top marks

[Liam978]

You don’t think he has favourites ? I certainly do.

Favourites ? between our coaching staff and the first team squad. We are basically a St Mirren throwback, so on today;s game. Who favours who ?

[bingo70]

It’s worth remembering that Ross wasn’t just willing to let Allan go for nothing.

We were going to be getting another very creative and highly rated player in exchange.

[DavieRoy]

Good interview from him today.

https://twitter.com/scotlandsky/status/1439334916186001409?s=21

[Callum_62]

It’s worth remembering that Ross wasn’t just willing to let Allan go for nothing.

We were going to be getting another very creative and highly rated player in exchange.And only on loan too

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[jeffers]

And only on loan too

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Which would have effectively ended his Hibs career.

[Nicho87]

Good interview from him today.

https://twitter.com/scotlandsky/status/1439334916186001409?s=21

His interview says a lot in my opinion

Has he had as many chances as drey Wright / hallberg / slivka /

I wouldn’t blame him for wanting to leave but in ten years time every fan will be saying what a player Allan was.

[superfurryhibby]

His interview says a lot in my opinion

Has he had as many chances as drey Wright / hallberg / slivka /

I wouldn’t blame him for wanting to leave but in ten years time every fan will be saying what a player Allan was.

Only in over stimulated imaginations.

[lord bunberry]

It’s worth remembering that Ross wasn’t just willing to let Allan go for nothing.

We were going to be getting another very creative and highly rated player in exchange.
An inferior player who hasn’t and never will be as good as Scott Allan. It was a badly thought out transfer that we’ve lucked out on that it didn’t happen. Tell me anyone that watched that game today that thought that McGrath was a better option than Allan and I’ll show you a blind man.

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

Scott Allan is such an enigma. 45-60 mins today he was the best player on the pitch and turned the game round from 0-1 to 2-1. However he obviously doesn't do this on a regular basis because otherwise he wouldn't be at Hibs. If he could perform like that and the back heel for our 2nd goal v Livi then he would be playing at a far higher level at we are at.

[bingo70]

An inferior player who hasn’t and never will be as good as Scott Allan. It was a badly thought out transfer that we’ve lucked out on that it didn’t happen. Tell me anyone that watched that game today that thought that McGrath was a better option than Allan and I’ll show you a blind man.

I can’t say I concentrated too much on McGrath today so I don’t know if he was good, bad or indifferent, although I thought St Mirren were excellent to be fair to them.

In terms of the comparison of the two players though, McGrath has recently been playing international football for Ireland. I don’t think Allan would have been called up to that Ireland side.

[jeffers]

I can’t say I concentrated too much on McGrath today so I don’t know if he was good, bad or indifferent, although I thought St Mirren were excellent to be fair to them.

In terms of the comparison of the two players though, McGrath has recently been playing international football for Ireland. I don’t think Allan would have been called up to that Ireland side.

I thought McGrath showed a few nice touches, but on limited viewing of him he’d be competing with Magennis for a game if we’d signed him IMO.

Someone posted earlier on this thread that one swallow doesn’t make a summer and I agree with that. Scott Allan needs to produce that type of performance on a regular basis, if he’s given the opportunity. If he does I’d rather have him than McGrath.

[bingo70]

I thought McGrath showed a few nice touches, but on limited viewing of him he’d be competing with Magennis for a game if we’d signed him IMO.

Someone posted earlier on this thread that one swallow doesn’t make a summer and I agree with that. Scott Allan needs to produce that type of performance on a regular basis, if he’s given the opportunity. If he does I’d rather have him than McGrath.

I love Scott Allan and have huge admiration for what he’s done and is still doing despite his health conditions.

Despite that though, I think McGraths career is on the up where as we are a bit unsure if what’s happening with Allans or if he’ll ever replicate his best form.

If I was offered a straight swap right now I would go with McGrath to be honest.

Sorry Scott.

[NOLA]

Still the best actual footballer in our squad imo, his brain and knowledge of the position and game in general is second to none, long may we enjoy him before we get rid far too soon, he loves it here as well [emoji8]

[MWHIBBIES]

Think thats the issue though mate. I dont think Scotty will ever be fully fit again and be able to deliver a full 90 minutes at the top level.

He will, or he would have retired. He is fit and just needs to play.

[Magpie]

He will never lose his quality but he’s definitely lost a bit of pace. He would walk into the starting XI of any other team outside the Old Firm, I would keep him happily. I will be surprised if he’s here next season though.

[Dmas]

I think playing with one striker as we are at the moment it should open the door for a player like scott, I’m a big fan of his but I’m also aware that he’s a player that doesn’t suit certain formations or set ups, much the same as Stevie Mallan.

Yesterday’s game for example did we really need both JDH and Newell playing so deep? Could one have sat out and someone like magennis played deeper to give us more drive in the middle and Allan could sit behind the striker? It would probably stop nizzy dropping so deep to get involved as well.

A lot of pressure on Boyle to produce just now as well relieves that having another creative player in the team

[FilipinoHibs]

He will never lose his quality but he’s definitely lost a bit of pace. He would walk into the starting XI of any other team outside the Old Firm, I would keep him happily. I will be surprised if he’s here next season though.

Unless he has a consistent run with his wages he will be gone although he ain't getting what he is on now anywhere else. Worth starting him for the next two games to see how long he can last. We need his guile against St Johnstone as we know they will come and play 4-5-1.

[StevesFamau5]

Yesterday showed the brilliance and liability of Scotty. He is still IMO one of the most talented and clever players in Scotland. That ball to McGinn, World class.! He is unbelievable with the ball at his feet.

However the biggest flaw is his fitness/pace. For whatever reason he cannot sprint. The moment when the buddies defender carried the ball about 60 yards at a stroll Scotty tried to tackle him/foul him on the half way line and missed out on both. Yes I'm sure someone will try and justify it or claim another reason why it happened but that was the bit that sticks out for me. He is immensely talented but a liability defending.

How do Hibs and Jack Ross go about justifying that?

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[jacomo]

Good interview from him today.

https://twitter.com/scotlandsky/status/1439334916186001409?s=21


Saying all the right things.

Regardless of whether folk think he is the player he was, we can probably agree that a fit and hungry Scott Allan is a terrific asset for us.

Jack says he’s got faith in him… let’s hope we see more of the same this season.

[jeffers]

Yesterday showed the brilliance and liability of Scotty. He is still IMO one of the most talented and clever players in Scotland. That ball to McGinn, World class.! He is unbelievable with the ball at his feet.

However the biggest flaw is his fitness/pace. For whatever reason he cannot sprint. The moment when the buddies defender carried the ball about 60 yards at a stroll Scotty tried to tackle him/foul him on the half way line and missed out on both. Yes I'm sure someone will try and justify it or claim another reason why it happened but that was the bit that sticks out for me. He is immensely talented but a liability defending.

How do Hibs and Jack Ross go about justifying that?

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It all depends on what matters to you as a manager and if you want to focus on the positives he brings or the negatives. With Scott Allan I know what I’d be focusing on, but it seems it’s his negatives that many want to look for. Joe Newell for example gets lots of plaudits on here, but I could point out he doesn’t create enough chances and his finishing in the main is woeful. JDH has had a great start to his Hibs career, but does he look like he will score goals or create many chances ? Take Murphy as another example, he plays wide but is basically allowed to cheat and offer little if any help to his full back. I could go on…..

[FilipinoHibs]

Allan not best pleased by last minute transfer attempt. Ready for 90 minutes.

IT is fair to say that Ryan Porteous was not best pleased with Martin Boyle when his Hibernian team mate strayed offside just as he got his head on the end of a Kyle Magennis corner in the cinch… http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/19590960.scott-allan-opens-talks-hibernian-boss-jack-ross-easter-road-future/?ref=appshr

[JimBHibees]

Yesterday showed the brilliance and liability of Scotty. He is still IMO one of the most talented and clever players in Scotland. That ball to McGinn, World class.! He is unbelievable with the ball at his feet.

However the biggest flaw is his fitness/pace. For whatever reason he cannot sprint. The moment when the buddies defender carried the ball about 60 yards at a stroll Scotty tried to tackle him/foul him on the half way line and missed out on both. Yes I'm sure someone will try and justify it or claim another reason why it happened but that was the bit that sticks out for me. He is immensely talented but a liability defending.

How do Hibs and Jack Ross go about justifying that?

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Very good summary

[J-C]

Allan not best pleased by last minute transfer attempt. Ready for 90 minutes.

IT is fair to say that Ryan Porteous was not best pleased with Martin Boyle when his Hibernian team mate strayed offside just as he got his head on the end of a Kyle Magennis corner in the cinch… http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/19590960.scott-allan-opens-talks-hibernian-boss-jack-ross-easter-road-future/?ref=appshr


I wonder if the McGrath deal didn't go through because Allan said no to a loan move, especially if it was just sprung on him last minute.

[Since452]

Really pleased that Scott came on and impacted the game. Showed that he still has it. I'd start him against St Johnstone. They are going to be their usual industrial selves so having that creativity could be vital.

[blackpoolhibs]

I wonder if the McGrath deal didn't go through because Allan said no to a loan move, especially if it was just sprung on him last minute.

I doubt it, we have it on good authority from a text message that Mathie cocked the whole thing up. :greengrin

[BlackSheep]

I wonder if the McGrath deal didn't go through because Allan said no to a loan move, especially if it was just sprung on him last minute.

Allan and Wright were permanently moving had that deal gone through.

[Since452]

I wonder if the McGrath deal didn't go through because Allan said no to a loan move, especially if it was just sprung on him last minute.

Both Allan and Wright had agreed to it whatever the deal was.

[wookie70]

He will never lose his quality but he’s definitely lost a bit of pace. He would walk into the starting XI of any other team outside the Old Firm, I would keep him happily. I will be surprised if he’s here next season though.

Not convinced he would be a starter in any team in this league or maybe even the one below.

He has spent the vast majority of his career not playing 90 minutes, lots of that for other reasons than ability. Hibs seems to have been the only club it really worked for him and even then he has nowhere near as many minutes as a normal starter would, again not all his fault.

He is only half a player and most teams below us play energetic and combative football. Scott is above average when he gets the ball but nowhere near a top team player without it. He may be a luxury we can carry in our squad, the last two games prove how important he could be in that role, but I doubt he starts most weeks for any team in the top league.

[CMurdoch]

Allan looked great when Hibs turned on the power for 15 minutes at the start of the 2nd half.Unfortunately for the supporters and Allan, Hibs immediately turned the power off again and set about trying to kill the game.Should have taken Scott off at that point and replaced him with a defensive minded player to play that way.Best form of defence is attack and i thought Hibs should have kept the power on until they were two goals clear.As for McGrath, I kept an eye on him on Saturday and could see why we wanted him. An advanced midfielder and a very good athlete who would fit in with how we play.

[wookie70]

Allan looked great when Hibs turned on the power for 15 minutes at the start of the 2nd half.Unfortunately for the supporters and Allan, Hibs immediately turned the power off again and set about trying to kill the game.Should have taken Scott off at that point and replaced him with a defensive minded player to play that way.Best form of defence is attack and i thought Hibs should have kept the power on until they were two goals clear.As for McGrath, I kept an eye on him on Saturday and could see why we wanted him. An advanced midfielder and a very good athlete who would fit in with how we play.


I thought McGrath looked good too particularly in the first half. Got too into the game to watch him as much in the second half. Very mobile and plays in between the lines quite a lot finding bags of space. Worked hard, a Jack Ross type of player imo

[CMurdoch]

I thought McGrath looked good too particularly in the first half. Got too into the game to watch him as much in the second half. Very mobile and plays in between the lines quite a lot finding bags of space. Worked hard, a Jack Ross type of player imoFunny that, I forgot about watching him in the 2nd half as well.

[JimBHibees]

Allan looked great when Hibs turned on the power for 15 minutes at the start of the 2nd half.Unfortunately for the supporters and Allan, Hibs immediately turned the power off again and set about trying to kill the game.Should have taken Scott off at that point and replaced him with a defensive minded player to play that way.Best form of defence is attack and i thought Hibs should have kept the power on until they were two goals clear.As for McGrath, I kept an eye on him on Saturday and could see why we wanted him. An advanced midfielder and a very good athlete who would fit in with how we play.

Can you imagine the reaction if JR had subbed Scott off after bringing him on. :greengrin

[Pagan Hibernia]

New contract for Scotty please

[Since452]

He's back

[StevesFamau5]

Tonight is showing more of the best of Scotty and I am absolutely buzzing with it. Terrific performance and really working hard. This is the Scotty we have. Absolutely fantastic so far!

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[Keith_M]

Doo, doo, dee- do!

Sco-tty All-an!

[OstKurve Hibs]

Well happy for scotty boy gettin his goal ! Great to see how much enjoyed it after a tough year !

[Pretty Boy]

Allan is one of those players who makes things happen. I'm not sure there is another player on the park tonight who is able to see and execute the pass for the 1st goal.

Yes he leaves you a bit short defensively at times and he's probably not covering 15K a game or whatever but players like him are worth accommodating. Guys who work hard and run about a lot are everywhere. Players who can do what Scott Allan does are hard to come by.

[jeffers]

I wonder if it’s a Scottish/British thing that we focus on his weaknesses too often and don’t appreciate him for his strengths. He’s a fabulous footballer, we should always find a place for a fit Scott Allan in our team.

[Allez Hibs]

Are you watching Graeme Mathie?

[aljo7-0]

Are you watching Graeme Mathie?No, I'm watching the game.

[BILLYHIBS]

How long is his new contract?

[blackpoolhibs]

Allan is one of those players who makes things happen. I'm not sure there is another player on the park tonight who is able to see and execute the pass for the 1st goal.

Yes he leaves you a bit short defensively at times and he's probably not covering 15K a game or whatever but players like him are worth accommodating. Guys who work hard and run about a lot are everywhere. Players who can do what Scott Allan does are hard to come by.

I agree, but tonight he's been booked, Gollum is the ref and he's playing wide. Now we are winning 3-0 its not really a problem, and that is clearly down to him having a very good game.

I'd much prefer to see him central, and have someone more suited to defending help Stevenson more.

[GRA]

Changed the game against St Mirren when he came on at the weekend and superb first half here. Undroppable now.

[Stevie Reid]

Allan is one of those players who makes things happen. I'm not sure there is another player on the park tonight who is able to see and execute the pass for the 1st goal.

Yes he leaves you a bit short defensively at times and he's probably not covering 15K a game or whatever but players like him are worth accommodating. Guys who work hard and run about a lot are everywhere. Players who can do what Scott Allan does are hard to come by.

Totally agree with every word. But he has tracked back plenty tonight as well. Superb so far tonight.

[Northernhibee]

Very impressed by him tonight. Battled to get an opportunity and seems to have taken it with both hands.

That’s the attitude we need at this club.

[Jim44]

If we get a fourth, I would take SA off to avoid a red.

[Pagan Hibernia]

Final year of his current contract isn’t it? Travesty if we let him go tbh

[StevesFamau5]

Very impressed by him tonight. Battled to get an opportunity and seems to have taken it with both hands.

That’s the attitude we need at this club.Absolutely. Heart of a warrior. So much respect and love for him

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[shetlandhibee]

Allan is one of those players who makes things happen. I'm not sure there is another player on the park tonight who is able to see and execute the pass for the 1st goal.

Yes he leaves you a bit short defensively at times and he's probably not covering 15K a game or whatever but players like him are worth accommodating. Guys who work hard and run about a lot are everywhere. Players who can do what Scott Allan does are hard to come by.:top markshere here :agree:

[Allez Hibs]

Final year of his current contract isn’t it? Travesty if we let him go tbh

It would be a travesty if he didn't win a trophy with us.

[Allez Hibs]

Allan is one of those players who makes things happen. I'm not sure there is another player on the park tonight who is able to see and execute the pass for the 1st goal.

Yes he leaves you a bit short defensively at times and he's probably not covering 15K a game or whatever but players like him are worth accommodating. Guys who work hard and run about a lot are everywhere. Players who can do what Scott Allan does are hard to come by.

Yep, let him play where he wants.

[The Spaceman]

He’s almost first name on the team sheet now. Has shown us past two games what we are missing. Almost hold your breath every time he gets the ball in the opposition half. Special footballer.

[NOLA]

Yesterday showed the brilliance and liability of Scotty. He is still IMO one of the most talented and clever players in Scotland. That ball to McGinn, World class.! He is unbelievable with the ball at his feet.

However the biggest flaw is his fitness/pace. For whatever reason he cannot sprint. The moment when the buddies defender carried the ball about 60 yards at a stroll Scotty tried to tackle him/foul him on the half way line and missed out on both. Yes I'm sure someone will try and justify it or claim another reason why it happened but that was the bit that sticks out for me. He is immensely talented but a liability defending.

How do Hibs and Jack Ross go about justifying that?

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Ray Wilkins had zero pace/fitness while with us but had others around to do his running and dirty work, he still managed to play fantastic passes to teammates like jacko and Keith, we had a German guy on loan I wish we’d signed too, Thorsten Shmugge IIRC

[Onceinawhile]

He’s almost first name on the team sheet now. Has shown us past two games what we are missing. Almost hold your breath every time he gets the ball in the opposition half. Special footballer.

I love scotty, but I have to disagree he's first name on the team sheet.

Given our dearth of options at gk, cb, rb and cf, there's probably 4 or 5 ahead of him.

[StevesFamau5]

Ray Wilkins had zero pace/fitness while with us but had others around to do his running and dirty work, he still managed to play fantastic passes to teammates like jacko and Keith, we had a German guy on loan I wish we’d signed too, Thorsten Shmugge IIRCGames changed in a big way since then. Defenders think they can play football now. It makes defending from the front a really important skill to learn. Scotty tonight has been phenomenal. Scotty on Saturday was both brilliant and concerning.

Clearly showing development through match sharpness already. Hence why I am absolutely buzzing for him. My concern was purely fitness based and so far I'm being proven wrong. I'm happy with that.

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[easty]

We were poor, but I’ll take a 3-1 win away from home any day.

Plus, stuck a tenner on Macey to get booked @ 33/1 and he duly obliged less than a minute later!

Worth the trip up.

[flash]

Love Scott Allan and want him playing but would be happy never to see him out wide again.
Think Lewis Stevenson might agree!

[660]

Ray Wilkins had zero pace/fitness while with us but had others around to do his running and dirty work, he still managed to play fantastic passes to teammates like jacko and Keith, we had a German guy on loan I wish we’d signed too, Thorsten Shmugge IIRC

Ray Wilkins was absolutely honking at hibs.

[cameronw-hfc]

Massive fan of Lewis, but think him having an off night made Allan's defensive contributions considerably more noticeable.

Edit- lack of defensive contributions I meant

[Unseen work]

Wouldn’t have said he was as brilliant as some are making out, nor was the pass he made to Newell.

Thats not to say he never played well, I just think some overhype what he does sometimes because it is Allan.

It was a good reverse pass to Newell for the goal who finished well but the keeper will be disappointed he never saved it.

I never minded him left wing and actually thought he worked really hard and you could see that by some of the challenges he was putting in. The booking halted his tackles and pressing as you could see he was nervous getting another.

Great technique for the goal.

It’s brilliant to see him back in the team and getting goals and assists. As a team we need to start dominating the ball more though and getting our forward players on it more often.

[noz]

Couldbe wrong, but is that not 3 assists and a goal for our last 5 goals?

[Stevie Reid]

Love Scott Allan and want him playing but would be happy never to see him out wide again.
Think Lewis Stevenson might agree!

Played well and had a goal and an assist. Don’t really see the issue.

[JammyDoidger]

The boys magic. Worked hard in tracking back, unlucky to be booked so early. He plays he contributes. That's for sure.

[flash]

Played well and had a goal and an assist. Don’t really see the issue.

The constant two against ones including their goal were an issue.
I want him in the team just not out there.

[greenlex]

The constant two against ones including their goal were an issue.
I want him in the team just not out there.
This. I thought he was heading for a red. He really can’t tackle.

[Stevie Reid]

The constant two against ones including their goal were an issue.
I want him in the team just not out there.

As has been discussed in the thread, that’s what we have to weigh up in terms of risk. It worked tonight, wouldn’t rule it out again.

Did a fair amount of tracking back in the first half tbf.

[blackpoolhibs]

The constant two against ones including their goal were an issue.
I want him in the team just not out there.

Me too, i'd play him central and have Newell on the bench. Allan in front of JDH and Kyle M.

[ancient hibee]

QUOTE=greenlex;6702931]This. I thought he was heading for a red. He really can’t tackle.[/QUOTE]

Actually had one of the best tackles of the night.

[greenlex]

QUOTE=greenlex;6702931]This. I thought he was heading for a red. He really can’t tackle.

Actually had one of the best tackles of the night.[/QUOTE]
It wasn’t really. He never made contact with the ball at any point and it was the boy that made a mess of it. To ge fair he put the challenge in and caused the boy to mess it up but it wasn’t a great tackle.

[Centre Hawf]

Massive fan of Lewis, but think him having an off night made Allan's defensive contributions considerably more noticeable.

Edit- lack of defensive contributions I meant

I don't think Lewis had an off night myself. And Scott Allan was mixing it well for the time he was on the park and only started to flag defensively the last 5/10 before he was subbed.

Another brilliant performance from him in a game no one else really stepped up to offer anything and easily deserves man of the match.

[flash]

As has been discussed in the thread, that’s what we have to weigh up in terms of risk. It worked tonight, wouldn’t rule it out again.

Did a fair amount of tracking back in the first half tbf.

He did to be fair.

[cameronw-hfc]

I don't think Lewis had an off night myself. And Scott Allan was mixing it well for the time he was on the park and only started to flag defensively the last 5/10 before he was subbed.

Another brilliant performance from him in a game no one else really stepped up to offer anything and easily deserves man of the match.


Opinions eh. Thought lewis struggled at times, but a win is a win so not fussed about the rest. Just want more Scotty gametime

[tonyrougier123]

Some players careers are just intertwined with certain clubs and scotty Allan is ingrained in hibs folklore,the way he set the standard when he first signed to the way he left us for Celtic.then in his absence we built a really good side with mcginn coming in and lifted the cup.whilst Allan then coming back and proving to the fans he still had business in a hibs shirt.he grew a real appreciation for what the hibs fans gave him back.then how he had his health issues and fought his way back to getting in the first team,to now bringing a bit of life to the side.still an integral squad member with hopefully another gear to reach.

[Centre Hawf]

Opinions eh. Thought lewis struggled at times, but a win is a win so not fussed about the rest. Just want more Scotty gametime

Won't disagree with you on that one!

[CockneyRebel]

Me too, i'd play him central and have Newell on the bench. Allan in front of JDH and Kyle M.

I thought Newell had a great first half and did more for the team than anyone. I love Scottie and it was great to see him start a match but IMO he still needs more game time. Fitting him in and finding his best position in this team is very difficult. Play him anywhere in midfield or up front and he will have flashes of brilliance during a game but we need him where he can be an influence over the whole game (or as long as he can last in a match) and then we will have the player we know he can be.

[Brightside]

Me too, i'd play him central and have Newell on the bench. Allan in front of JDH and Kyle M.

Our middle 3 were very good today. It’s really hard to drop one. Hence the issue with JR having to find an area to get Allan on the pitch.

[Eyrie]

Tonight was the Allan we know and love.

Fitting him in the team will always be tricky however. His defensive limitations means he can't play a deep central role and if he's wide left, then we need Stevenson at LB for balance rather than Doig. If we play him centrally, then Magennis either has to play wide left or we omit one of Newell or Doyle-Hayes with Magennis dropping back.

Nice problem to have though.