Massive credit Jack Ross

[Solonleith1]

Often criticised from some quarters for tactical changes made or lack of them. Gogic off, doidge on and switch to 442 made a big difference. Deserves credit today.

[HH81]

Agreed. Made changes and we won the game. Get in.

[Big_Franck]

Absolutely. Yet another away win under Jack Ross. He must have the highest away win percentage of any Hibs manager in my life. Roll on Thursday.

[Torto7]

Agreed. Doyle Hayes is a playmaker. Weve not had one in that role for a while. The difference in pace with him dictating was great.

[hibIBZ]

Great subs that changed the game. Well done

[Bostonhibby]

Yeah, good away win against a team of hackers, got the subs right and game management was excellent.

Well done the boss and the players. Thought Porteous Boyle and Magennis were great today.

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[neil7908]

Yup. I have been critical of him and was worried at half time but he got things spot on second half. I just hope Doyle-Hayes gets a chance from the start.

[CallumHibs07]

JDH needs to stay in place of Gogic

[Sir David Gray]

:agree: Really great win today.

[FilipinoHibs]

Ross in

[Unseen work]

Doidge - instant impact with a goal plus helped us with simple things like winning headers and putting them under pressure, making them actually defend.

JDH - Couple of very good passes at pace for the 3rd goal. Covers ground quickly for a centre mid.

Great subs

[Borderhibbie76]

Got it spot on 2nd half...much improved in the second half especially defensively

[makaveli1875]

I know he got alot of stick for the cups , especially the final and rightly so but he is good in the league and I think he will learn from last season .
He's the man for Hibs , I hope he stays a few seasons and gets a chance to build something long term

[Smartie]

He was very quick to act after the red card in the Santa Coloma game as well - helping turn an iffy situation into a comfortable home win and a good result to take into the second leg.

So we're what, 3 competitive games into the season and Jack Ross has made good, early decisions to win a couple of them already?

Great stuff from him.

[blackpoolhibs]

A manager needs time to build a team, who'd have thought it?

[lord bunberry]

No one can say we’re boring to watch after that. I was always impressed by the way he guided us through last season with no fans in the stadiums, he did better than any manager outside the ugly sisters in what was a hugely difficult time for everyone. There was a lot of nonsense levelled at him around his personality and his style of football, but as I said he coped better than almost everyone else and hopefully this season he’ll go on and win us a trophy. He’s also brought through a young defender and turned him into a multi million pound player in the space of 1 season, the money we get for Doig will help us move to the next level.
He’s not perfect and has made mistakes, but he’s learning from them.

[Since452]

Character, fight and bottle today. Hopefully puts an end to some of the chat about the character of this team. Well done Ross and the players.

[Allez Hibs]

Well done Jack. Looked great going forward and coming from behind.

[ahibby]

I have been one of his doubters but today JR takes the credit for every positive in todays game. There are a couple of things to work on, both of those things improved as the match went on so perhaps not as much an issue for the future. I would have liked to see us win more second ball in midfield but its difficult when you are first and foremost focusing on quality over brute force. I thought we looked a very good team today and well done Jack Ross. I am won over based on what I saw today.

[Just Alf]

I know he got alot of stick for the cups , especially the final and rightly so but he is good in the league and I think he will learn from last season .
He's the man for Hibs , I hope he stays a few seasons and gets a chance to build something long termTotally spot on :agree:

[Ronniekirk]

Agree ,sorted out our defending at cross balls and we looked more dynamic going forward Looks to be pleased about after an away European game
Predicted 2 1 hibs but but the win is all that matters


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[The Modfather]

A manager needs time to build a team, who'd have thought it?

Wonder if we should have given Butcher & Heckingbottom the time it takes to build a team.

Didn’t see the game today but sounds like a good win and an encouraging sign we can replicate last seasons league campaign.

[blackpoolhibs]

Wonder if we should have given Butcher & Heckingbottom the time it takes to build a team.

Didn’t see the game today but sounds like a good win and an encouraging sign we can replicate last seasons league campaign.

How can you compare someone who progressed us as a team and club the way Ross has with those chancers?

[lord bunberry]

Wonder if we should have given Butcher & Heckingbottom the time it takes to build a team.

Didn’t see the game today but sounds like a good win and an encouraging sign we can replicate last seasons league campaign.
There has to be something positive to build on, Butcher and Heckingbottom were terrible while Ross finished third and got us to Hampden 3 times.

[bingo70]

Fantastic today.

The exact opposite of everything I’ve criticised Ross for so far. Delighted he’s taking on board my criticism and learning from it.

[hibsbollah]

Motherwell away is a difficult fixture, we’ve not won there all that often. To do it on opening day, coming from behind and with speculation about one of our best players…
I’d class that as a BIG GAME.

[Since452]

Fantastic today.

The exact opposite of everything I’ve criticised Ross for so far. Delighted he’s taking on board my criticism and learning from it.

Today was what a lot of sceptics wanted to see after the cup final. Bucket loads of character today.

[lord bunberry]

Motherwell away is a difficult fixture, we’ve not won there all that often. To do it on opening day, coming from behind and with speculation about one of our best players…
I’d class that as a BIG GAME.
Steady now. :greengrin

[Stuart93]

Aye we showed good character coming back from being behind twice

He needs to be showing how to defend cross balls

[calumhibee1]

Today was what a lot of sceptics wanted to see after the cup final. Bucket loads of character today.

And a decent style of football. Much more enjoyable game today to watch than the majority of last seasons games.

[Unseen work]

One of the things I like is that he doesn’t take the easy decision that he thinks will please the fans.

For example, when Murphy was coming off I imagine a lot were angry that Allan wasn’t coming on.

It worked wonders and we scored

[The Modfather]

How can you compare someone who progressed us as a team and club the way Ross has with those chancers?

I agree there’s no comparison. Your needlessly snide or gloating tone got my back up, when it really shouldn’t have.

There wasn’t anything constructive in my questioning of your post, so I’ll apologise and leave it there when it’s time to enjoy a good win.

[ABZHFC]

5 Hibs players were in the box for when we won the penalty, 69th minute, away from home, having been a goal down twice. That's what I like to see :agree:

[jeffers]

Definitely more positives than negatives. Though I still don’t see what he does in Newell.

Having fans in, even just watching on tv, made it so much more enjoyable.

[Callum_62]

Aye we showed good character coming back from being behind twice

He needs to be showing how to defend cross ballsI wouldn't class that a massive credit

More a grudging OK followed by critisism

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[Stuart93]

I wouldn't class that a massive credit

More a grudging OK followed by critisism

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We showed good character to come back but was disappointing the way we lost the 2 goals? Nout wrong with that.

[BSEJVT]

I think there was more going on in that game than the TV showed

Jack and the players were very animated after the win and that trumpet Alexander’s post game interview hinted at the same.

I don’t particularly like zonal marking but it’s the managers choice

Great and brave substitutions

Lot of credit to Ross

[Peevemor]

I think there was more going on in that game than the TV showed

Jack and the players were very animated after the win and that trumpet Alexander’s post game interview hinted at the same.

I don’t particularly like zonal marking but it’s the managers choice

Great and brave substitutions

Lot of credit to RossI wondered too about the reaction at full time - maybe the noisy travelling support brought out more emotion.

[hibsbollah]

I think there was more going on in that game than the TV showed

Jack and the players were very animated after the win and that trumpet Alexander’s post game interview hinted at the same.

I don’t particularly like zonal marking but it’s the managers choice

Great and brave substitutions

Lot of credit to Ross

I thought it was man marking we were doing :dunno: I’m not sure we employ zones for open play, willing to be contradicted on that though.

[Kavinho]

Motherwell away is a difficult fixture, we’ve not won there all that often. To do it on opening day, coming from behind and with speculation about one of our best players…
I’d class that as a BIG GAME.


Biggest game of the season so far....

[EI255]

Said all along, he's a top manager. Deserves a all the credit he gets. And we're lucky to have him.

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[BSEJVT]

I thought it was man marking we were doing :dunno: I’m not sure we employ zones for open play, willing to be contradicted on that though.

Certainly zonal at free kick

[hibsbollah]

Certainly zonal at free kick

Ah ok i had a memory it was just a cross from open play, fair dos

[Heisenberg]

For the next time someone says “he shows no PASHUN on the sidelines”

https://twitter.com/hibernianfc/status/1421906072999055364?s=21

[Kato]

I think there was more going on in that game than the TV showed

Jack and the players were very animated after the win and that trumpet Alexander’s post game interview hinted at the same.

I don’t particularly like zonal marking but it’s the managers choice

Great and brave substitutions

Lot of credit to RossMaybe he's trying to normalise his own teams antics, hammerthrowers.

A bit digging up of the Yogi/Sportsound narrative too.

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[Since452]

Probably worth noting we had an away European game midweek and didn't get back until the early hours of Friday morning. How often do you see teams losing just after? Made today more impressive. Can maybe allow for the mistakes we made today. It didn't matter in the end. We kept on going.

[buktapurple79]

Said all along, he's a top manager. Deserves a all the credit he gets. And we're lucky to have him.

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Totally agree. This looks like a resilient, settled side with a VERY strong bench. I think serious lessons will have been learned from the cup shockers last season. We play the game properly and if Der Hun slip up at points then who knows? We can beat anyone and the defence will only get better.

[hibee316]

Probably worth noting we had an away European game midweek and didn't get back until the early hours of Friday morning. How often do you see teams losing just after? Made today more impressive. Can maybe allow for the mistakes we made today. It didn't matter in the end. We kept on going.

Very good point!

[Onion]

Often criticised from some quarters for tactical changes made or lack of them. Gogic off, doidge on and switch to 442 made a big difference. Deserves credit today.

:agree: Was quite shocked at how decisive JR was today with his subs and tactical changes. Works perfectly.

[SMAXXA]

Aye we showed good character coming back from being behind twice

He needs to be showing how to defend cross balls

I don’t think he does one swallow doesn’t make a summer today we lost 2 goals from crosses the first 2 in over a year that would tell me they understand and can do it. Today was laid at 1 players door

[Frazerbob]

For the next time someone says “he shows no PASHUN on the sidelines”

https://twitter.com/hibernianfc/status/1421906072999055364?s=21

I was going to post similar but mention his reaction with the players at full time. He was giving laldy with them in front of the fans at the end.

[erin go bragh]

Wonder if we should have given Butcher & Heckingbottom the time it takes to build a team.

Didn’t see the game today but sounds like a good win and an encouraging sign we can replicate last seasons league campaign.

Cmon ,,, behave yourself 🤨

[blackpoolhibs]

I agree there’s no comparison. Your needlessly snide or gloating tone got my back up, when it really shouldn’t have.

There wasn’t anything constructive in my questioning of your post, so I’ll apologise and leave it there when it’s time to enjoy a good win.

Rubbish, when the team is clearly progressing and hitting targets, it's as clear as the nose on your face he needed backed. And he should have been backed by everyone, he's building a team and you cant build one overnight.

[Key West]

It's a difficult job trying to find a consistent balance, there were positives and negatives today. One thing for sure was that it was very entertaining!

[Garymcl]

Credit where it’s due he reacted positively at the right time personally would have taken Newell off instead of gogic but was proved wrong in the end I thought Newell came on to a game also surprised Scotty didn’t cone on but hey ho onwards and upwards. Ggtth

[Alex Trager]

Your boy Kyle McGennis has had a stormer. Well in wee man.

My only mark against you is that you never turned around to applaud the hibbys whilst you went off

[Iggy Pope]

I think there was more going on in that game than the TV showed

Jack and the players were very animated after the win and that trumpet Alexander’s post game interview hinted at the same.

I don’t particularly like zonal marking but it’s the managers choice

Great and brave substitutions

Lot of credit to Ross

Seemed to display a bit of sarcasm and such late on when Porto managed an overdue foul out of them. Not a nice bunch and going back years they never have been.

[Fergus52]

Definitely more positives than negatives. Though I still don’t see what he does in Newell.

Having fans in, even just watching on tv, made it so much more enjoyable.

I was impressed with Newell today.

Gave the ball away cheaply a couple of times in the first half but came on to a strong game.

Good bit of play from him in the build up to doidge's goal and was also getting forward more often than last season which was good to see.

Seemed more keen to take players on than usual today as well, skinned two of their defenders out by the corner flag on the right wing at one point.

[matty_f]

There can't be many Hibs managers with a better away record than Jack Ross. For all he's (ridiculously, IMHO) had the 'boring' tag thrown at him, that's two times in three competitive games this season where we've scored 3 goals (and in one of those games, a better ref would have seen us score 5).

The point above about teaching the team how to defend crosses - Sky Sports said that we didn't concede from a single header last season, so probably not as much of an issue as is being made out (I haven't fact checked that stat, but I'm told that was what was said).

We are just off a European game, we played a very physical team today and stood up well to it, we came from behind twice and were (IMHO) unlucky not to win by more goals today.

He's about to get a record transfer fee for the club for a player that he managed into the first team, and his signings with the support of the recruitment team have, by and large, been exceptional.

Jack Ross is a very, very good manager. He needs the support of the fans behind him and there really is no good reason not to be, in my opinion. Today he spotted problems and opportunities and switched the team about to take advantage, and we were well worth our win. Players are improving under him and we will, I think, have another really good season. We won't win every game, but we'll beat most teams.

[SMAXXA]

There can't be many Hibs managers with a better away record than Jack Ross. For all he's (ridiculously, IMHO) had the 'boring' tag thrown at him, that's two times in three competitive games this season where we've scored 3 goals (and in one of those games, a better ref would have seen us score 5).

The point above about teaching the team how to defend crosses - Sky Sports said that we didn't concede from a single header last season, so probably not as much of an issue as is being made out (I haven't fact checked that stat, but I'm told that was what was said).

We are just off a European game, we played a very physical team today and stood up well to it, we came from behind twice and were (IMHO) unlucky not to win by more goals today.

He's about to get a record transfer fee for the club for a player that he managed into the first team, and his signings with the support of the recruitment team have, by and large, been exceptional.

Jack Ross is a very, very good manager. He needs the support of the fans behind him and there really is no good reason not to be, in my opinion. Today he spotted problems and opportunities and switched the team about to take advantage, and we were well worth our win. Players are improving under him and we will, I think, have another really good season. We won't win every game, but we'll beat most teams.

Excellent post totally agree 👏

[roo62]

There can't be many Hibs managers with a better away record than Jack Ross. For all he's (ridiculously, IMHO) had the 'boring' tag thrown at him, that's two times in three competitive games this season where we've scored 3 goals (and in one of those games, a better ref would have seen us score 5).

The point above about teaching the team how to defend crosses - Sky Sports said that we didn't concede from a single header last season, so probably not as much of an issue as is being made out (I haven't fact checked that stat, but I'm told that was what was said).

We are just off a European game, we played a very physical team today and stood up well to it, we came from behind twice and were (IMHO) unlucky not to win by more goals today.

He's about to get a record transfer fee for the club for a player that he managed into the first team, and his signings with the support of the recruitment team have, by and large, been exceptional.

Jack Ross is a very, very good manager. He needs the support of the fans behind him and there really is no good reason not to be, in my opinion. Today he spotted problems and opportunities and switched the team about to take advantage, and we were well worth our win. Players are improving under him and we will, I think, have another really good season. We won't win every game, but we'll beat most teams. This

[calumhibee1]

There can't be many Hibs managers with a better away record than Jack Ross. For all he's (ridiculously, IMHO) had the 'boring' tag thrown at him, that's two times in three competitive games this season where we've scored 3 goals (and in one of those games, a better ref would have seen us score 5).

The point above about teaching the team how to defend crosses - Sky Sports said that we didn't concede from a single header last season, so probably not as much of an issue as is being made out (I haven't fact checked that stat, but I'm told that was what was said).

We are just off a European game, we played a very physical team today and stood up well to it, we came from behind twice and were (IMHO) unlucky not to win by more goals today.

He's about to get a record transfer fee for the club for a player that he managed into the first team, and his signings with the support of the recruitment team have, by and large, been exceptional.

Jack Ross is a very, very good manager. He needs the support of the fans behind him and there really is no good reason not to be, in my opinion. Today he spotted problems and opportunities and switched the team about to take advantage, and we were well worth our win. Players are improving under him and we will, I think, have another really good season. We won't win every game, but we'll beat most teams.

We lost the cup final to a header. We also conceded two in the semi final against St Johnstone.

I’m not sure if there was more said about having ‘not conceded from a header’, for example if it was in the league only etc but we definitely lost goals from headers last season.

[jeffers]

I was impressed with Newell today.

Gave the ball away cheaply a couple of times in the first half but came on to a strong game.

Good bit of play from him in the build up to doidge's goal and was also getting forward more often than last season which was good to see.

Seemed more keen to take players on than usual today as well, skinned two of their defenders out by the corner flag on the right wing at one point.

I thought he should have been off long before he came onto a game. Also very lucky not to get a booking. He has ability but doesn’t show it anywhere near enough for me. Would far rather Scott Allan played instead of him.

[matty_f]

We lost the cup final to a header. We also conceded two in the semi final against St Johnstone.

I’m not sure if there was more said about having ‘not conceded from a header’, for example if it was in the league only etc but we definitely lost goals from headers last season.

It was just League games that were referred to.

[Crunchie]

We lost the cup final to a header. We also conceded two in the semi final against St Johnstone.

I’m not sure if there was more said about having ‘not conceded from a header’, for example if it was in the league only etc but we definitely lost goals from headers last season.
And all to do with the players on the park and nothing to do with Jack. A manager can only do so much once they've crossed the line, I've no idea why anyone would doubt this guy after what he's achieved in a short period of time with us. I hope he's here for years to come.

[hibbysam]

I thought he should have been off long before he came onto a game. Also very lucky not to get a booking. He has ability but doesn’t show it anywhere near enough for me. Would far rather Scott Allan played instead of him.

He never got booked and ended up playing extremely well for the majority of the game. Ball retention is outstanding and got us moving up the park. Scott Allan in a midfield battle wasn’t the player for today. Quality footballer Newell.

[Crunchie]

He never got booked and ended up playing extremely well for the majority of the game. Ball retention is outstanding and got us moving up the park. Scott Allan in a midfield battle wasn’t the player for today. Quality footballer Newell.
I agree 100% I love watching the guy when he's on song, very classy player imo.

[WestCoastHibby]

How can you compare someone who progressed us as a team and club the way Ross has with those chancers?
Butcher, what's he done since and Heckingbottom another complete shyster

[Crunchie]

Butcher, what's he done since and Heckingbottom another complete shyster
I think you're doing a massive disservice to Hecky there, if Doidge had found his goalscoring touch when he was here, fine margins and all that.

[jeffers]

He never got booked and ended up playing extremely well for the majority of the game. Ball retention is outstanding and got us moving up the park. Scott Allan in a midfield battle wasn’t the player for today. Quality footballer Newell.

We must have been watching a different game.

[B.H.F.C]

We must have been watching a different game.

Thought Newell was non existent first half, other than passing it back the way. Much better second half when he played further up the park and started passing the ball forward. Agree, can’t believe he managed to avoid a booking though (didn’t mind the pull back, thought that was a good foul to stop them breaking though).

[hibbysam]

We must have been watching a different game.

He never got booked, that’s fairly undeniable. There was a spell second half where we went from deep in our own half, couple of one twos later and he was on the ball in the right wing position. 92% pass success rate backs up the ball retention point also. First pick in the middle of the park and rightly so.

[jeffers]

Thought Newell was non existent first half, other than passing it back the way. Much better second half when he played further up the park and started passing the ball forward. Agree, can’t believe he managed to avoid a booking though (didn’t mind the pull back, thought that was a good foul to stop them breaking though).

I think we had the same game on :greengrin.

[JimBHibees]

Was great to see the players fans and coaching staff celebrating together at the end of the game with Jack front and centre of that. Was brilliant to see has anyone any footage of it?

[jeffers]

He never got booked, that’s fairly undeniable. There was a spell second half where we went from deep in our own half, couple of one twos later and he was on the ball in the right wing position. 92% pass success rate backs up the ball retention point also. First pick in the middle of the park and rightly so.

Why do you keep saying he never got booked as if I was saying he had been ? I said he was very lucky not to.

[SHODAN]

Was great to see the players fans and coaching staff celebrating together at the end of the game with Jack front and centre of that. Was brilliant to see has anyone any footage of it?

The post-match celebrations were the happiest I've ever seen Ross.

[Fergus52]

I thought he should have been off long before he came onto a game. Also very lucky not to get a booking. He has ability but doesn’t show it anywhere near enough for me. Would far rather Scott Allan played instead of him.

You would have subbed him for misplacing two passes? And not Gogic who gave the ball away just as much and made two mistakes leading to goals?? Glad you're not the manager.


Allan and Newell are completely different players though - Allan has only every played as a 10 under Ross and Newell plays much deeper.

If we played Allan as deep as we play Newell our midfield would be much easier to play through as he's nowhere near as good defensively. Think Newell's defensive contributions get completely overlooked by some fans, had very good numbers for interceptions and tackles won per game last season.

[hibbysam]

Why do you keep saying he never got booked as if I was saying he had been ? I said he was very lucky not to.

You are using that as a criticism. The only one he should’ve been booked for is the pull back which was a very good foul, and the fact he never got booked makes it even more so. Extremely intelligent and thankfully one of the first names on our team sheet week in week out!

[flash]

Newell had a decent game and used the ball well.

[jeffers]

You would have subbed him for misplacing two passes? And not Gogic who gave the ball away just as much and made two mistakes leading to goals?? Glad you're not the manager.


Allan and Newell are completely different players though - Allan has only every played as a 10 under Ross and Newell plays much deeper.

If we played Allan as deep as we play Newell our midfield would be much easier to play through as he's nowhere near as good defensively. Think Newell's defensive contributions get completely overlooked by some fans, had very good numbers for interceptions and tackles won per game last season.

I’d have subbed him for his overall contribution, particularly in the first half, he improved towards the latter part of the game. Where did I disagree Gogic shouldn’t have been subbed ?

I’m not suggesting Newell and Allan are similar players, or should play in similar positions, what I am saying is Allan should be playing with perhaps JDH and Magennis, not Newell. As for Newell’s numbers I watch a player, not his stats.

[hibbysam]

I’d have subbed him for his overall contribution, particularly in the first half, he improved towards the latter part of the game. Where did I disagree Gogic shouldn’t have been subbed ?

I’m not suggesting Newell and Allan are similar players, or should play in similar positions, what I am saying is Allan should be playing with perhaps JDH and Magennis, not Newell. As for Newell’s numbers I watch a player, not his stats.

Thankfully your not the gaffer. Very rarely did we dominate the ball last season, we did so yesterday and that was mainly to do with Newell dictating it in the middle of the park.

[Brightside]

I’d have subbed him for his overall contribution, particularly in the first half, he improved towards the latter part of the game. Where did I disagree Gogic shouldn’t have been subbed ?

I’m not suggesting Newell and Allan are similar players, or should play in similar positions, what I am saying is Allan should be playing with perhaps JDH and Magennis, not Newell. As for Newell’s numbers I watch a player, not his stats.

If we start with Allan Magennis will have to play further back, then we lose his benefit. It’s going to be tricky to get them both on the park in their best positions.

[jeffers]

Thankfully your not the gaffer. Very rarely did we dominate the ball last season, we did so yesterday and that was mainly to do with Newell dictating it in the middle of the park.

Thankfully you’re not either if you think Newell was dictating things in the middle of the park.

[jeffers]

If we start with Allan Magennis will have to play further back, then we lose his benefit. It’s going to be tricky to get them both on the park in their best positions.

Agree, it’s tricky, but I want to see a Hibs team that can find a place for Scott Allan, he’s too big a talent to be sitting on the bench. If he’s totally healthy, possibly for the first time in years there is no reason why we can’t see the best of him.

[calumhibee1]

And all to do with the players on the park and nothing to do with Jack. A manager can only do so much once they've crossed the line, I've no idea why anyone would doubt this guy after what he's achieved in a short period of time with us. I hope he's here for years to come.

Whilst I don’t necessarily agree with that it’s not the point I was making. I was merely pointing out that the stat wasnt correct until it was pointed out it was just about league games. Not really interested in turning this into a thread as to whether to doubt Jack Ross or not.

[hibsbollah]

It was just League games that were referred to.

We didn’t concede a headed goal in 38 league games? That’s an unbelievable achievement. I must admit I thought we were fairly weak against crosses last season so clearly lots were scored from knockdowns or second balls or I just wasn’t paying as much attention as I thought I was :greengrin

[hibbysam]

Thankfully you’re not either if you think Newell was dictating things in the middle of the park.

Newell will play week after week, Hibs will win far more than they will lose. He had the best pass completion rate on the park, he had the most touches other than Porteous and McGinn, made the most key passes in a Hibs jersey.

Only those two made more tackles, only Stevenson made more interceptions, broke up play to allow us to continue attacking and only Boyle completed more dribbles.

Whether you like stats or not, after a shaky twenty minutes, which I’ll put down to slightly rusty from not playing during the week, he was very good yesterday and was a key man in our win.

[jeffers]

Newell will play week after week, Hibs will win far more than they will lose. He had the best pass completion rate on the park, he had the most touches other than Porteous and McGinn, made the most key passes in a Hibs jersey.

Only those two made more tackles, only Stevenson made more interceptions, broke up play to allow us to continue attacking and only Boyle completed more dribbles.

Whether you like stats or not, after a shaky twenty minutes, which I’ll put down to slightly rusty from not playing during the week, he was very good yesterday and was a key man in our win.

We can agree to disagree of your assessment of Newell.

[neil7908]

Newell does a lot better without Gogic in the team imo. First half both seemed to sit deep and we struggled to get going.

We need more of the Newell from the second half. He played a huge part in that second goal by driving forward and then playing the less obvious pass into Nisbet rather than Doidge who was straight ahead of him. Newell is wasted sitting on the half way line imo, particularly when Gogic is standing right next to him.

[jeffers]

Newell does a lot better without Gogic in the team imo. First half both seemed to sit deep and we struggled to get going.

We need more of the Newell from the second half. He played a huge part in that second goal by driving forward and then playing the less obvious pass into Nisbet rather than Doidge who was straight ahead of him. Newell is wasted sitting on the half way line imo, particularly when Gogic is standing right next to him.

That I agree with. Despite my criticism of Newell I think he has talent, just not seeing what others are in terms of performances.

[Callum_62]

Whatever subs were used, when they were brought in and who they replaced ended up winning us the game

Id suggest they were the correct subs

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[SMAXXA]

We can agree to disagree of your assessment of Newell.

To be fair I think his post is pretty hard to disagree with but as always the case your entitled to your opinion 👍

[jeffers]

To be fair I think his post is pretty hard to disagree with but as always the case your entitled to your opinion 👍

Yup. Would make this place less interesting if we all agreed with each other.

[matty_f]

Yup. Would make this place less interesting if we all agreed with each other.

No it wouldn’t. :greengrin

[jeffers]

No it wouldn’t. :greengrin

Shut it you :greengrin

[AlbertK86]

There can't be many Hibs managers with a better away record than Jack Ross. For all he's (ridiculously, IMHO) had the 'boring' tag thrown at him, that's two times in three competitive games this season where we've scored 3 goals (and in one of those games, a better ref would have seen us score 5).

The point above about teaching the team how to defend crosses - Sky Sports said that we didn't concede from a single header last season, so probably not as much of an issue as is being made out (I haven't fact checked that stat, but I'm told that was what was said).

We are just off a European game, we played a very physical team today and stood up well to it, we came from behind twice and were (IMHO) unlucky not to win by more goals today.

He's about to get a record transfer fee for the club for a player that he managed into the first team, and his signings with the support of the recruitment team have, by and large, been exceptional.

Jack Ross is a very, very good manager. He needs the support of the fans behind him and there really is no good reason not to be, in my opinion. Today he spotted problems and opportunities and switched the team about to take advantage, and we were well worth our win. Players are improving under him and we will, I think, have another really good season. We won't win every game, but we'll beat most teams.

Well said Matty


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[FilipinoHibs]

JR must stay!

[WhileTheChief..]

Was great to see the players fans and coaching staff celebrating together at the end of the game with Jack front and centre of that. Was brilliant to see has anyone any footage of it?

:agree:

The support is fully behind Jack.

He talks about the togetherness of the squad, I think that was evident yesterday, as you say.

Long may it continue.

[Since452]

Was great to see the players fans and coaching staff celebrating together at the end of the game with Jack front and centre of that. Was brilliant to see has anyone any footage of it?

That's the kind of thing that really pulls the fans and players/management together and makes you feel connected to the team again. This behind closed doors pish really had a big impact on that. It almost felt like it was our club but not in a strange way. Superb seeing that on Sunday, brought a lump to the throat. The players, fans and Jack Ross deserved it.

[blackpoolhibs]

Newell does a lot better without Gogic in the team imo. First half both seemed to sit deep and we struggled to get going.

We need more of the Newell from the second half. He played a huge part in that second goal by driving forward and then playing the less obvious pass into Nisbet rather than Doidge who was straight ahead of him. Newell is wasted sitting on the half way line imo, particularly when Gogic is standing right next to him.



Newell frustrates the hell out of me, when he takes the ball forward and creates space and goalscoring opportunities, he's as good as any player in this league in his position.

[Sammy7nil]

Often criticised from some quarters for tactical changes made or lack of them. Gogic off, doidge on and switch to 442 made a big difference. Deserves credit today.

Did it all without a cardigan too. 😊

[JimBHibees]

Newell frustrates the hell out of me, when he takes the ball forward and creates space and goalscoring opportunities, he's as good as any player in this league in his position.

Don't know if it is a lack of confidence seems way to safe and should look to play the ball forward then play the safer pass if not on.

[Hibernian Verse]

Don't know if it is a lack of confidence seems way to safe and should look to play the ball forward then play the safer pass if not on.

I believe that’s called ball retention, and he will be instructed to play that way.

[Smartie]

Newell frustrates the hell out of me, when he takes the ball forward and creates space and goalscoring opportunities, he's as good as any player in this league in his position.

It drives me nuts too.

Just when you start to lose patience with him he pulls off one his better performances as well.

The wee move for our 2nd goal showed exactly the kind of thing he needs to do more of.

I think part of his issue and Hibs'/ Jack Ross' issues are that too often we need to be behind in a game to start showing that drive.

Newell's quality simply isn't in question but I can never get my head around how such a talented player can be as quiet as he can be at times.

He's clearly important to us because when he plays, we play. When we're quiet, it's normally because his influence on the game has been curtailed.

[JimBHibees]

I believe that’s called ball retention, and he will be instructed to play that way.

A lot of times he doesn't look forward. As it happens thought he played well in second half on Sunday.

[superfurryhibby]

I believe that’s called ball retention, and he will be instructed to play that way.

It's also known as decision making and belief in your own ability. Good players do both and Newell is a decent enough on the ball to have a greater influence on games. Ross doesn't say to him always play safe, always look to play the ball back and retain possession. I'm sure he trusts that his midfielders are able to make the right choices around when to move the ball forward

[Inconsequential]

I believe that’s called ball retention, and he will be instructed to play that way. Yes I totally agree with this. Players are more often than not instructed to play the way that the manager wants. As far as I'm aware Newall got forward a bit more in the second half again probably by the manager's instruction. It ain't rocket science. No player plays in a certain way to irk a poster imo.

[Crunchie]

Newell frustrates the hell out of me, when he takes the ball forward and creates space and goalscoring opportunities, he's as good as any player in this league in his position.
You've been calling him a show pony for long enough, I'm glad you've changed opinion to him being one of the best in the league :aok: I was never in doubt :greengrin

[blackpoolhibs]

You've been calling him a show pony for long enough, I'm glad you've changed opinion to him being one of the best in the league :aok: I was never in doubt :greengrin

I've always said he is a quality footballer, but if he trots about like a show pony, then that is what i will say. If he does more of what he did 2nd half on Sunday, he will get much more praise from me.

Too often he's not involved other than ball retention backwards and sideways. If he takes the game by the scruff of its neck and actually contributes offensively like he can, he wont hear any criticism from me.

[Iggy Pope]

Yes I totally agree with this. Players are more often than not instructed to play the way that the manager wants. As far as I'm aware Newall got forward a bit more in the second half again probably by the manager's instruction. It ain't rocket science. No player plays in a certain way to irk a poster imo.

Disagree. Steven Thicot insisted on a running style that made him look as if he’d shat himself for the sole purpose of driving me mental.

[Eyrie]

Disagree. Steven Thicot insisted on a running style that made him look as if he’d shat himself for the sole purpose of driving me mental.

But what if driving you mental was the instruction he'd been given by his manager?

[Since452]

This Hibs side is a wee bit different. Exciting times

[Hibee Mac]

Playing some fantastic stuff this season. I'm getting the same vibes as the 2nd half of Lennon's season with Allan/Kamberi/McLaren.

Can't wait to get full houses back

[H18 SFR]

We look so well coached don’t we? Big season ahead.

[neil7908]

I was critical of him last season but preparing to eat my words. We look very exciting. Can't wait to get back to ER.

[Stevie Reid]

Many things were levelled against JR last season, much of it understandable. I think the thing that rankled with me most was the feeling of some that his default position was a negative and cautious one, and that his first thought was to make sure that we held onto the point that we start a game with.

I never saw that myself, and hopefully not many others still feel that way after the way we’ve started the season.

[Since452]

Today is the kind of fixture I was wary about with Hibs teams of the past but I haven't felt that today. We look extremely well balanced and well coached.

[Allez Hibs]

Jack Ross' white trainers are blinding me!

Proper performance this today. Be great if we can consistently blow teams like this away at home.

[Bangkok Hibby]

Said it from early doors. Ron Gordon/ Jack Ross, now throw in Ben Kensell...good times ahead.

[Ronniekirk]

Said it from early doors. Ron Gordon/ Jack Ross, now throw in Ben Kensell...good times ahead.

Dream Team


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[Pagan Hibernia]

We’ve been pretty consistent under JR for a while now. One gripe last season was that the football was far from scintillating but even that looks to have been sorted.

that was one slick and exciting performance today

[Northernhibee]

Best manager in Scotland.

[Since452]

We’ve been pretty consistent under JR for a while now. One gripe last season was that the football was far from scintillating but even that looks to have been sorted.

that was one slick and exciting performance today

I'd like to think playing infront of supporters has given them a wee boost. They'd have been blown away by our support at Fir Park and hopefully it's spurred them on. JDH is a fantastic addition it has to be said. Really good balance to the team.

[madhatter]

Only gripe I have is we tire quite a bit in the 2nd half of games and our subs aren't quite as good as our starting 11 (to be expected). Just hope we can score as many goals when we are playing so well, certainly hope that is the case on Thursday.

We will get punished through the season if we don't take our chances when we are so dominant. Thankfully we were clinical today.

JDH looks a good player and reminds me of McGeouch. Class act.

Credit Jack Ross and recruitment team.

[calumhibee1]

I think what today, Thursday and the Motherwell game have shown is that their was merit in the idea we weren’t great to watch last season for me.

I don’t think you’ll find many folk who will argue our last 3 performances have been very entertaining, something which a lot of last season wasn’t for a lot of people.

Today was potentially the best stuff we’ve played since McGinn left. Exceptionally good football at times.

[GreenCastle]

Said it from early doors. Ron Gordon/ Jack Ross, now throw in Ben Kensell...good times ahead.

Ron Gordon is just getting started ! He’s keen to improve the stadium and I can’t wait to see this journey !

[CentreLine]

A game like today’s is always considered a banana akin after a tough European match. Our players seem to be up to the challenge. This side was always going to make incremental steps under Jack Ross and I don’t think he’s finished by a long way

[Allez Hibs]

Best manager in Scotland.

You're at the wind up.

[Northernhibee]

You're at the wind up.

Am I? Name better at a Scottish club.

Your cover is getting thinner and thinner btw.

[B.H.F.C]

A game like today’s is always considered a banana akin after a tough European match. Our players seem to be up to the challenge. This side was always going to make incremental steps under Jack Ross and I don’t think he’s finished by a long way

Any game can be considered a banana skin, but when you see them today you couldn’t have asked for a better opponent on the back of Thursday. They’re really poor. But I think we look really noticeably better this season.

[Since452]

A game like today’s is always considered a banana akin after a tough European match. Our players seem to be up to the challenge. This side was always going to make incremental steps under Jack Ross and I don’t think he’s finished by a long way

Was a banana skin even without Europe. How many times have we dropped silly points at home to teams like County in the past? Vast improvement today. Very encouraging.

[MWHIBBIES]

You're at the wind up.

What a completely pointless post this is. What are you hoping to achieve?

It's a genuinely valid, reasonable thing to say. You might disagree but saying someone is at the wind-up? Bore off honestly.

[CentreLine]

Any game can be considered a banana skin, but when you see them today you couldn’t have asked for a better opponent on the back of Thursday. They’re really poor. But I think we look really noticeably better this season.

Same could have been said of Motherwell last week. We were excellent then too. Point is, post European matches are always tough fir any side and we have passed that test comfortably so far. Long way to go if we progress though

[Since452]

You're at the wind up.

Would Gerrard, Ange or Davidson do any better at Hibs? He may have a point.

[Northernhibee]

Would Gerrard, Ange or Davidson do any better at Hibs? He may have a point.

Davidson is the only one who might be competition for the title.

[jeffers]

I think what today, Thursday and the Motherwell game have shown is that their was merit in the idea we weren’t great to watch last season for me.

I don’t think you’ll find many folk who will argue our last 3 performances have been very entertaining, something which a lot of last season wasn’t for a lot of people.

Today was potentially the best stuff we’ve played since McGinn left. Exceptionally good football at times.

Agree with every word. Can’t even put it down to not being there last season as I wasn’t there today and still really enjoyed it. Whether it’s a change in approach, crowds back in, or a combination of both the signs are really encouraging.

[Stanton Spence]

You're at the wind up.Seems your the one on the wind up with yet another meaningless post that's only purpose was to troll an opinion

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[makaveli1875]

Top of the league , Ross oot

[Bangkok Hibby]

You're at the wind up.

Weird

[Allez Hibs]

It's a bit early to be saying Jack Ross is the best manager in Scotland!

Steven Gerard quite clearly is and then Calum Davidson won both cups on a shoe string budget!

Let's see where Hibs are after 10 league games.

[B.H.F.C]

Same could have been said of Motherwell last week. We were excellent then too. Point is, post European matches are always tough fir any side and we have passed that test comfortably so far. Long way to go if we progress though

I’d argue the Motherwell game was a bit different to today. First game, home crowd etc. Today was a game we really should have won if going about it right, which we did. I think we’re playing at a much better tempo this season.

[ian cruise]

Davidson is the only one who might be competition for the title.

Davidson deserves credit for the two Cup wins for sure but I think St Johnstone's league form under him has been slightly better than average.

We probably can't give a fair comparison until the end of the season but I'm with you in Ross being the better of the two.

I'd probably say Gerrard deserves some credit because he's continually improved the Rangers but obviously he's starting ahead of managers like Ross because of the money he's got at his disposal.

For me Ross is the best in the league right now and I'm expecting to see his name in contention for manager od the year this season, I was shocked he wasn't last year.

[MWHIBBIES]

It's a bit early to be saying Jack Ross is the best manager in Scotland!

Steven Gerard quite clearly is and then Calum Davidson won both cups on a shoe string budget!

Let's see where Hibs are after 10 league games.



Why exactly do we need to wait 10 games? You know he was here last season right?

[Since452]

It's a bit early to be saying Jack Ross is the best manager in Scotland!

Steven Gerard quite clearly is and then Calum Davidson won both cups on a shoe string budget!

Let's see where Hibs are after 10 league games.

Why 10 games? Have you seen the transformation in Hibs since he took over?

[Northernhibee]

It's a bit early to be saying Jack Ross is the best manager in Scotland!

Steven Gerard quite clearly is and then Calum Davidson won both cups on a shoe string budget!

Let's see where Hibs are after 10 league games.
Not Robbie, no?

[Borderhibbie76]

It's a bit early to be saying Jack Ross is the best manager in Scotland!

Steven Gerard quite clearly is and then Calum Davidson won both cups on a shoe string budget!

Let's see where Hibs are after 10 league games.

Gerrard who has won 1 domestic trophy out of a possible 9...aye right then

[Eyrie]

It's a bit early to be saying Jack Ross is the best manager in Scotland!

Steven Gerard quite clearly is and then Calum Davidson won both cups on a shoe string budget!

Let's see where Hibs are after 10 league games.

Davidson has a strong case based on their two cup wins.

But Gerrard? Sevco have massively outspent every other team except their other half Celtc. How would Gerrard have got on with last season's St Johnstone squad?

[AgentDaleCooper]

next person to criticize Ross is a Yam :na na:

[Since452]

We'll have bumps along the way but I think we have a lot to look forward to with Ross, Mathie, Kensell and Gordon in the key positions.

[Inconsequential]

Gerrard who has won 1 domestic trophy out of a possible 9...aye right then Spot on! Gerrard the best manager in Scotland? Course... not. Totally unfair to rate him above anyone else in the Scottish game. Old Firm managers have huge advantages over everyone else with finance, referees, media and establishment.

[SMAXXA]

Is there still Hibs fans who don’t rate him and want to be critical?

[oneone73]

Is there still Hibs fans who don’t rate him and want to be critical?

No, but there will be Hearts fans pretending to be Hibs fans along soon.

[Pretty Boy]

Is there still Hibs fans who don’t rate him and want to be critical?

I daresay there will be a few but if we keep playing like we are then it will be an ever dwindling band.

I wouldn't say I didn't rate him but I was ambivalent about him. It's performances like last week, Thursday and today that are pulling me towards being a big fan.

[#2 Double Tap]

Is there still Hibs fans who don’t rate him and want to be critical?

that question will only be answered after the derby.

[calumhibee1]

Agree with every word. Can’t even put it down to not being there last season as I wasn’t there today and still really enjoyed it. Whether it’s a change in approach, crowds back in, or a combination of both the signs are really encouraging.

Yup.

I wasn’t at Motherwell but our style of play was much more entertaining than last season.

I think the idea it was because we were watching on the tv doesn’t hold a lot of weight after the start to this season as we’ve been very good on tv in the last 3 games. We seem to have adopted a much more exciting style which is great to see.

[Aldo]

that question will only be answered after the derby.

So if we get beaten in the derby but still finish 3rd this season is he a failure?


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[Keith_M]

I think calling him the best manager in Scotland is a bit over the top, TBH, and I've consistently been a fan of his.

Let's just enjoy the moment and see where he takes us.

[Dashing Bob S]

Is there still Hibs fans who don’t rate him and want to be critical?

Yes. He’s proven himself to be a solid manager over the piece but there is a question mark over his team being able to compete with more agricultural but motivated outfits (Hearts, StJohnstone) in semis and finals.

I’m pro Ross but the idea that he is above any criticism is fanciful nonsense.

[SMAXXA]

I daresay there will be a few but if we keep playing like we are then it will be an ever dwindling band.

I wouldn't say I didn't rate him but I was ambivalent about him. It's performances like last week, Thursday and today that are pulling me towards being a big fan.

Good reply fair play.

What I honestly don’t get is the lack of awareness that this is an incremental improvement since he came in and was always going to take time. Fwiw I think we have been pretty spoiled in terms of early progression it could have been a hell of a lot worse yet some fans want success on tap overnight, it doesn’t work like that.

I don’t agree with all his decisions in fact I’ve said before I wasn’t trust fussed for him to get the job in the first place but I have massive respect for the job he has done and think he’s done fantastic. Got to remember last year we had a bit of a thread bare squad upto the January window and and probably one of the biggest positives for me is the players, they all seem to love playing for him and not seem a discerning voice come out of the place since he took charge.

There will be ups and downs like we have seen the last year but that’s football.

[SMAXXA]

Yes. He’s proven himself to be a solid manager over the piece but there is a question mark over his team being able to compete with more agricultural but motivated outfits (Hearts, StJohnstone) in semis and finals.

I’m pro Ross but the idea that he is above any criticism is fanciful nonsense.

Not sure I’ve seen anything that says he’s above criticism? That would be the hearts game we were the better side and the cup final we were pish and players didn’t turn up, it’s football trust happens not sure what the manager could have done differently I either of those games the players on the other hand

[S4uzee]

Not sure I’ve seen anything that says he’s above criticism? That would be the hearts game we were the better side and the cup final we were pish and players didn’t turn up, it’s football trust happens not sure what the manager could have done differently I either of those games the players on the other hand

The team set-up?

[SMAXXA]

The team set-up?

Enlighten me what would you have done?

[Iggy Pope]

Enlighten me what would you have done?

Played Darren McGregor in the cup final. But I’m also pro-Ross.

[HendoDelivered]

that question will only be answered after the derby.

Wrong

[B.H.F.C]

Good reply fair play.

What I honestly don’t get is the lack of awareness that this is an incremental improvement since he came in and was always going to take time. Fwiw I think we have been pretty spoiled in terms of early progression it could have been a hell of a lot worse yet some fans want success on tap overnight, it doesn’t work like that.

I don’t agree with all his decisions in fact I’ve said before I wasn’t trust fussed for him to get the job in the first place but I have massive respect for the job he has done and think he’s done fantastic. Got to remember last year we had a bit of a thread bare squad upto the January window and and probably one of the biggest positives for me is the players, they all seem to love playing for him and not seem a discerning voice come out of the place since he took charge.

There will be ups and downs like we have seen the last year but that’s football.

I don’t think there is really anyone who would deny there has been improvement since he came in. Nobody can deny that really.

I do think there are plenty folk (me included) who have said that they haven’t always enjoyed watching it. I have really enjoyed watching us this last week, even if I was a bit frustrated we didn’t win on Thursday night.

I think we have the makings of a really decent team.

[#2 Double Tap]

So if we get beaten in the derby but still finish 3rd this season is he a failure?


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That question is taking a big leap from the other one.

[Aldo]

That question is taking a big leap from the other one.

Why is it?


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[Andy74]

Wrong

There were certainly posters on here after Hearts beat Celtic putting the pressure on Ross.

For a few anyway the next ‘big game’ or derby loss will bring back the chat that he isn’t good enough.

[S4uzee]

Enlighten me what would you have done?

With sarcasm such as enlighten me, is there a point?

[#2 Double Tap]

Why is it?


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Are there still Hibs fans who don’t rate him and want to be critical?

So if we get beaten in the derby but still finish 3rd this season is he a failure?

[Pretty Boy]

There were certainly posters on here after Hearts beat Celtic putting the pressure on Ross.

For a few anyway the next ‘big game’ or derby loss will bring back the chat that he isn’t good enough.

I think that's just football fans though.

I don't really keep up to speed with the thoughts of Rangers fans but dipped into social media last night. I saw a suggestion that appointing Defoe as a strikers coach has seen them regress when it comes to shots on goal. It was put forwards that Kamara, Aribo and A N Other are all too similar and they need a change in midfield and I read that they only won the league last year because of Celtic's failing and they really aren't that good.

1 defeat in 40 something league games and stuff like that comes out. It's patently nonsense, as it will be if the knives come out for Ross after a bad defeat or 2 but it's not going away either. It's happened since the year dot and social media just gives it a bigger platform.

[Aldo]

Are there still Hibs fans who don’t rate him and want to be critical?

So if we get beaten in the derby but still finish 3rd this season is he a failure?



So why will the question be answered after the derby?


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[Allez Hibs]

This team certainly is progressing but we have only played two league games and have a lot of work to do to progress in Europe. Was saying at the game today I'd be impressed if we got this game won in half an hour which we pretty much did along with our squad now having a lot of depth - when did we last have this depth?

However, the real proof of progress will be in the bigger games and derbies for Jack Ross before he is even considered "best manager in Scotland" - there is no denying that. As one poster posted it's early days in this season and just let's see how we start it and where it takes us, that's what I was getting at when saying let's see where we are after 10 league games.

[jeffers]

Not sure I’ve seen anything that says he’s above criticism? That would be the hearts game we were the better side and the cup final we were pish and players didn’t turn up, it’s football trust happens not sure what the manager could have done differently I either of those games the players on the other hand

You may feel there was nothing he could have done and that St Johnstone simply “had our number” but for me it was the fact he didn’t make any discernible changes to formation or tactics from the other games where they beat us quite comfortably. We lost to them at home in the league, the semi and the final itself. I agree, particularly in the final the players didn’t turn up, but before the game I’m sure I’m not alone in thinking if they scored first the game was over.

Like PB I wasn’t shouting for him to go, but I was struggling to really enjoy watching his team play. So far this season I’m loving it ! But as Bob says he also needs to find a way to deal with Hearts more agricultural style. What really is encouraging me now though is the style of football, we are really easy on the eye.

[matty_f]

We had performances like today last season as well. I’m sure we’ll have performances like the poorer ones we had last season, too.

Overall though, we’ve been steadily improving since the day Jack Ross set foot in the manager’s office.

[#2 Double Tap]

So shy will the question be answered after the derby?


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well we will certainly find out if he still has people wanting to be critical after the derby - win lose or draw.

to answer your question, imo, it is dependant upon different factors, such as; how have his signings worked out, hows our style of play looking, or how are we competing in the "big games".

[Aldo]

well we will certainly find out if he still has people wanting to be critical after the derby - win lose or draw.

to answer your question, imo, it is dependant upon different factors, such as; how have his signings worked out, hows our style of play looking, or how are we competing in the "big games".

People are critical of him now and will never change. They constantly look at the negatives which is easy and fail to give him credit where it’s due.

The same applies to certain players, one misplaced pass and they are right in there but they don’t give credit for the good play or pass.


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[Danderhall Hibs]

well we will certainly find out if he still has people wanting to be critical after the derby - win lose or draw.

to answer your question, imo, it is dependant upon different factors, such as; how have his signings worked out, hows our style of play looking, or how are we competing in the "big games".

We beat Aberdeen home and away last season, won a Scottish cup semi, drew home and away with Celtic and drew with Rangers - also ran Rangers as close as anyone. No derbies cos they got relegated but we did win at Tiny in their relegation season.

Let’s wait and see though eh.

[#2 Double Tap]

People are critical of him now and will never change. They constantly look at the negatives which is easy and fail to give him credit where it’s due.

The same applies to certain players, one misplaced pass and they are right in there but they don’t give credit for the good play or pass.


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totally agree, think its all about frequency imo, 2 bad plays to 1 good play - not good enough. 2 good plays to 1 bad play players get pass marks.

Ross has started this season much more positive, the games have been enjoyable to watch, the switch in formation looks good, murphy and boyle appear to be in good form and its really making a big difference, central midfield is starting to look positive again after years of being ****, things are defo looking up.....just gotta hope it continues and that those people like me (who wanted him sacked last season) are proven to have been totally wrong.

[SMAXXA]

With sarcasm such as enlighten me, is there a point?

If you have one I’m open to it? Guessing by the lack of one you don’t? And that’s minus any sarcasm 😉

[SMAXXA]

We had performances like today last season as well. I’m sure we’ll have performances like the poorer ones we had last season, too.

Overall though, we’ve been steadily improving since the day Jack Ross set foot in the manager’s office.

Course we have mate and this is the problem people seem to forget the performances last season and suddenly we were terrible and crap to ways which wasn’t the case. We had good and bad performances like we will this season

[S4uzee]

If you have one I’m open to it? Guessing by the lack of one you don’t? And that’s minus any sarcasm 😉

McGregor should’ve started
4-4-2
Irvine wide left (he’s a CM)
Didn’t learn from previous encounters against St.J
Couldn’t motivate players during HT

There’s a few points seeing as you asked.

[matty_f]

Course we have mate and this is the problem people seem to forget the performances last season and suddenly we were terrible and crap to ways which wasn’t the case. We had good and bad performances like we will this season

:agree: We were good loads last season.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

It’ll take silverware to convince some Hibs fans

[Unseen work]

Since Ross came in Hibs have taken the third most points in the league, behind Rangers and Celtic.

Everyone can criticise him for the odd poor result but the bottom line is we have improved massively under him. His signings are good, he develops players and is willing to give youth a chance.

Delighted he signed an extension and I just see us going from strength to strength.

Confident we’ll get the win on Thursday too.

[B.H.F.C]

:agree: We were good loads last season.

We were at times But we look a different side this year.

The change in formation and the personnel changes in the middle of the park. We have more about us than we did last year. Three times in the last week and a bit we’ve been behind in games and three times we’ve come back, something we really struggled to do last year.

[Northernhibee]

What's promising that with each transfer window under Jack Ross we seem to get better and learn from what we've seen.

When he took over Hecky's squad we ditched the likes of Vela and brought in dynamic midfielders like Doherty and Omeonga. We also signed Paul McGinn for peanuts who provided the drive and work ethic that David Gray was no longer able to offer. He also started to get the best out of Newell, Doidge and Whittaker.

Covid stopped play, but we finally got a proper defensive mid in Gogic, a striker who could score a bucketload in Nisbet and Magennis and Murphy who although didn't set the heather on fire initially have since come into a game. Our defensive record was far more settled and we then added Cadden and Irvine in the January window (IIRC) who gave us more depth in key positions. Josh Doig was brought into the first team and was managed well to further his development.

This summer we've developed our midfield trio further in Doyle-Hayes and have looked to the future in Mueller. So far we've kept our key personnel but I get the feeling that if any of them leave we have targets in mind to not only replace them but improve the team. We've taken our steady but successful style from last season and added a bit of attacking flair and replaced Marciano with a keeper who appears to be a decent shot stopper at least.

Each window we've kept the good from what we did before and added something that was missing from it. We also have a mix of valuable experience and youth players who look as if they'll be very profitable. I also, for the first time since Stubbs, trust the manager and the recruitment team to use this money well to strengthen the team further when our best players do move on.

Hopefully this is a lesson that we need to give our management and football team time to develop their vision and sign well. Chopping and changing all the time and signing for the sake of it lead to our relegation in the past and the longer we can keep the key players at the club the better we're going to get.

I really hope that Jack Ross is at this club for years to come, I trust him from the evidence we've seen to keep our progress positive.

[Andy74]

We were at times But we look a different side this year.

The change in formation and the personnel changes in the middle of the park. We have more about us than we did last year. Three times in the last week and a bit we’ve been behind in games and three times we’ve come back, something we really struggled to do last year.

We played this formation at times last year too.

The midfield is doing well just now and the forwards are scoring. Getting an earlyish goal like today always helps.

I don’t think we are doing very much differently but we have a few more options available like Murphy and Magennis being closer to the players we expected.

[JohnM1875]

Since Ross came in Hibs have taken the third most points in the league, behind Rangers and Celtic.

Everyone can criticise him for the odd poor result but the bottom line is we have improved massively under him. His signings are good, he develops players and is willing to give youth a chance.

Delighted he signed an extension and I just see us going from strength to strength.

Confident we’ll get the win on Thursday too.

Yup.

Criticised him myself a fair amount last season. Always happy to be proved wrong when it comes to Hibs and players/managers doing well.

I think it makes a huge difference seeing the team play in person as well. That and we've played some fantastic football so far this season.

Already buzzing to be back at ER for the next home game.

[Allez Hibs]

It’ll take silverware to convince some Hibs fans

Yes it will.

[SJNB Hibby]

It’ll take silverware to convince some Hibs fans

Agreed, but there's nothing wrong with silverware. As a club we should have way more than we do

[WhileTheChief..]

Seems to me that the vast majority of fans are 100% behind JR.

Keep playing like we've done so far and there will hardly be any criticism at all, but f we get papped off Hearts and lose a few on the bounce then he'll get it in the neck for a while.

Either way, he'll still have the vast majority on his side I think.

[B.H.F.C]

We played this formation at times last year too.

The midfield is doing well just now and the forwards are scoring. Getting an earlyish goal like today always helps.

I don’t think we are doing very much differently but we have a few more options available like Murphy and Magennis being closer to the players we expected.

I don’t recall us playing this formation very often and when we did I don’t recall us playing it as well. We’ve tried it at times and quite quickly reverted to two strikers.

Playing Magennis centrally is getting the best from him. I think we’re playing at a better tempo and it’s down to having a better balance in the middle of the park, albeit it’s only been a couple of games. But it’s basically a new midfield.

[WhileTheChief..]

The change in temp stands out to me.

We seem to have a lot more drive and purpose, playing with a bit of a swagger.

Huge improvement on the early part of last season.

[#2 Double Tap]

The change in temp stands out to me.

We seem to have a lot more drive and purpose, playing with a bit of a swagger.

Huge improvement on the early part of last season.


Climate change improving the Hibees! who woulda thought! :greengrin

O*

[MJ hibs]

The key for us this season won't be JR it will be holding on to Boyle and replacing doig/ nisbet or both with decent players. Jack Ross deserves a lot of credit for how we have started though.

[CentreLine]

The problem we had last year and will see again this year is we have a team of footballers. The conditions right now suit our play. As long as I can remember we have suffered a slump in winter when the ball has to spend way too long in the air and teams of cloggers get away with more. JR managed that fairly well last year but third was touch and go for a spell. If he can safely negotiate the winter this year we will be moving forwards for sure.

[houstonhibbee]

What's promising that with each transfer window under Jack Ross we seem to get better and learn from what we've seen.

When he took over Hecky's squad we ditched the likes of Vela and brought in dynamic midfielders like Doherty and Omeonga. We also signed Paul McGinn for peanuts who provided the drive and work ethic that David Gray was no longer able to offer. He also started to get the best out of Newell, Doidge and Whittaker.

Covid stopped play, but we finally got a proper defensive mid in Gogic, a striker who could score a bucketload in Nisbet and Magennis and Murphy who although didn't set the heather on fire initially have since come into a game. Our defensive record was far more settled and we then added Cadden and Irvine in the January window (IIRC) who gave us more depth in key positions. Josh Doig was brought into the first team and was managed well to further his development.

This summer we've developed our midfield trio further in Doyle-Hayes and have looked to the future in Mueller. So far we've kept our key personnel but I get the feeling that if any of them leave we have targets in mind to not only replace them but improve the team. We've taken our steady but successful style from last season and added a bit of attacking flair and replaced Marciano with a keeper who appears to be a decent shot stopper at least.

Each window we've kept the good from what we did before and added something that was missing from it. We also have a mix of valuable experience and youth players who look as if they'll be very profitable. I also, for the first time since Stubbs, trust the manager and the recruitment team to use this money well to strengthen the team further when our best players do move on.

Hopefully this is a lesson that we need to give our management and football team time to develop their vision and sign well. Chopping and changing all the time and signing for the sake of it lead to our relegation in the past and the longer we can keep the key players at the club the better we're going to get.

I really hope that Jack Ross is at this club for years to come, I trust him from the evidence we've seen to keep our progress positive.
Weve also moved away from having loan players

[calumhibee1]

We had performances like today last season as well. I’m sure we’ll have performances like the poorer ones we had last season, too.

Overall though, we’ve been steadily improving since the day Jack Ross set foot in the manager’s office.

Not for me. We had some good performances last season but from an entertainment point of view this season has been night and day. You just need to look at the match thread at half time yesterday to see the difference overall, to a man/woman the whole forum was waxing lyrical about how we were playing. I’m not sure there was any performances like that last season.

We look a considerably different team this season imo and it’s for the better.

[MWHIBBIES]

Not for me. We had some good performances last season but from an entertainment point of view this season has been night and day. You just need to look at the match thread at half time yesterday to see the difference overall, to a man/woman the whole forum was waxing lyrical about how we were playing. I’m not sure there was any performances like that last season.

We look a considerably different team this season imo and it’s for the better.

It really hasn't been night and day. A bit better yeah, mainly because Murphy and Magennis are fit, though. The core playstyle is still very similar.

4-1 at Livi, 3-0 at St Mirren, 3-0 at Motherwell, 4-0 at Hamilton, 2-0 vs Aberdeen, runs in both cups (obviously vs lower league sides) were all as entertaining as anything this season. Since Ross has joined we've played good football and done well vs the poorer sides. In his first season 3-0 vs Aberdeen, 3-1 vs Motherwell, 3-0 vs Ross County all very good, entertaining Hibs performances.

[calumhibee1]

It really hasn't been night and day. A bit better yeah, mainly because Murphy and Magennis are fit, though. The core playstyle is still very similar.

4-1 at Livi, 3-0 at St Mirren, 3-0 at Motherwell, 4-0 at Hamilton, 2-0 vs Aberdeen, runs in both cups (obviously vs lower league sides) were all as entertaining as anything this season. Since Ross has joined we've played good football and done well vs the poorer sides. In his first season 3-0 vs Aberdeen, 3-1 vs Motherwell, 3-0 vs Ross County all very good, entertaining Hibs performances.

Na, not for me.

They were good results and performances but not as enjoyable to watch as the stuff we’ve been playing this season imo. As I said, I think the first 45 yesterday was the most entertaining we’ve been since McGinn left.

[MWHIBBIES]

Na, not for me.

They were good results and performances but not as enjoyable to watch as the stuff we’ve been playing this season imo. As I said, I think the first 45 yesterday was the most entertaining we’ve been since McGinn left.

We we're 3-0 up at Livi at half time 2nd match last season. Exactly the same posts were happening then.

[calumhibee1]

We we're 3-0 up at Livi at half time 2nd match last season. Exactly the same posts were happening then.

Still doesn’t change my opinion that we are much more exciting this season than last season.

I didn’t watch any games last season and come away as entertained as I did from that first half yesterday and I certainly didn’t see us play 3 games in a row where we looked very entertaining.

[Allez Hibs]

What's promising that with each transfer window under Jack Ross we seem to get better and learn from what we've seen.

When he took over Hecky's squad we ditched the likes of Vela and brought in dynamic midfielders like Doherty and Omeonga. We also signed Paul McGinn for peanuts who provided the drive and work ethic that David Gray was no longer able to offer. He also started to get the best out of Newell, Doidge and Whittaker.

Covid stopped play, but we finally got a proper defensive mid in Gogic, a striker who could score a bucketload in Nisbet and Magennis and Murphy who although didn't set the heather on fire initially have since come into a game. Our defensive record was far more settled and we then added Cadden and Irvine in the January window (IIRC) who gave us more depth in key positions. Josh Doig was brought into the first team and was managed well to further his development.

This summer we've developed our midfield trio further in Doyle-Hayes and have looked to the future in Mueller. So far we've kept our key personnel but I get the feeling that if any of them leave we have targets in mind to not only replace them but improve the team. We've taken our steady but successful style from last season and added a bit of attacking flair and replaced Marciano with a keeper who appears to be a decent shot stopper at least.

Each window we've kept the good from what we did before and added something that was missing from it. We also have a mix of valuable experience and youth players who look as if they'll be very profitable. I also, for the first time since Stubbs, trust the manager and the recruitment team to use this money well to strengthen the team further when our best players do move on.

Hopefully this is a lesson that we need to give our management and football team time to develop their vision and sign well. Chopping and changing all the time and signing for the sake of it lead to our relegation in the past and the longer we can keep the key players at the club the better we're going to get.

I really hope that Jack Ross is at this club for years to come, I trust him from the evidence we've seen to keep our progress positive.

Hope he can deliver silverware.

[Northernhibee]

Hope he can deliver silverware.

Hope you can get behind him through the whole season.

[Since452]

Since Ross came in Hibs have taken the third most points in the league, behind Rangers and Celtic.

Everyone can criticise him for the odd poor result but the bottom line is we have improved massively under him. His signings are good, he develops players and is willing to give youth a chance.

Delighted he signed an extension and I just see us going from strength to strength.

Confident we’ll get the win on Thursday too.

And we'll continue to have bumps along the way. We could have Pep managing us and we'd have them. It's the nature of the beast at a club with our budget. We don't have the resources of the OF and they're still getting beat. I just hope people see the bigger picture when the dust settles. We're continuing to improve under Ross.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Hope he can deliver silverware.

That’d be brilliant. He’d then be up there with the handful of managers that have managed it previously.

[Allez Hibs]

That’d be brilliant. He’d then be up there with the handful of managers that have managed it previously.

What are expectations then?

So is he given the buffer of being benchmarked against past Managers and teams under achieving or after last season do we expect similar but better (a trophy)?

What would be an Excellent, Good and Average season?

[JimBHibees]

What's promising that with each transfer window under Jack Ross we seem to get better and learn from what we've seen.

When he took over Hecky's squad we ditched the likes of Vela and brought in dynamic midfielders like Doherty and Omeonga. We also signed Paul McGinn for peanuts who provided the drive and work ethic that David Gray was no longer able to offer. He also started to get the best out of Newell, Doidge and Whittaker.

Covid stopped play, but we finally got a proper defensive mid in Gogic, a striker who could score a bucketload in Nisbet and Magennis and Murphy who although didn't set the heather on fire initially have since come into a game. Our defensive record was far more settled and we then added Cadden and Irvine in the January window (IIRC) who gave us more depth in key positions. Josh Doig was brought into the first team and was managed well to further his development.

This summer we've developed our midfield trio further in Doyle-Hayes and have looked to the future in Mueller. So far we've kept our key personnel but I get the feeling that if any of them leave we have targets in mind to not only replace them but improve the team. We've taken our steady but successful style from last season and added a bit of attacking flair and replaced Marciano with a keeper who appears to be a decent shot stopper at least.

Each window we've kept the good from what we did before and added something that was missing from it. We also have a mix of valuable experience and youth players who look as if they'll be very profitable. I also, for the first time since Stubbs, trust the manager and the recruitment team to use this money well to strengthen the team further when our best players do move on.

Hopefully this is a lesson that we need to give our management and football team time to develop their vision and sign well. Chopping and changing all the time and signing for the sake of it lead to our relegation in the past and the longer we can keep the key players at the club the better we're going to get.

I really hope that Jack Ross is at this club for years to come, I trust him from the evidence we've seen to keep our progress positive.

Good summary he is incrementally making us better and better. His transfer market work has been very good imo and we are buying younger players that are keen to develop. Overall he has done an excellent job and will continue to do so. The transformation from Heckys last few games is absolutely night and day. Just shows what a bit of patience can do who would have thought it.

[Borderhibbie76]

What are expectations then?

So is he given the buffer of being benchmarked against past Managers and teams under achieving or after last season do we expect similar but better (a trophy)?

What would be an Excellent, Good and Average season?

The point is a lot of our most recent excellent managers never won silverware, Mowbray and Lennon for example so I'm not sure it's exactly fair to judge him on silverware. For example we might not win a cup this year but finish 3rd again and get Euro Group stages - that for me would be an excellent season

[Since452]

What are expectations then?

So is he given the buffer of being benchmarked against past Managers and teams under achieving or after last season do we expect similar but better (a trophy)?

What would be an Excellent, Good and Average season?

We need to be top four and qualifying for Europe consistently. Don't think we've ever achieved that in my lifetime. In saying that i don't think we should be looking back the way as a comparison. We need to continue to move forward. We're creating our own standards and expectations as we go and should always be aiming to do better than the previous season. A trophy would be an added bonus.

[calumhibee1]

We need to be top four and qualifying for Europe consistently. Don't think we've ever achieved that in my lifetime. In saying that i don't think we should be looking back the way as a comparison. We need to continue to move forward. We're creating our own standards and expectations as we go and should always be aiming to do better than the previous season. A trophy would be an added bonus.

Agree with all of this. We shouldn’t be using years of underachievement as a bench mark going forward. That’s nothing to do with JR, just more of a general point with regards to the club as a whole.

[superfurryhibby]

What are expectations then?

So is he given the buffer of being benchmarked against past Managers and teams under achieving or after last season do we expect similar but better (a trophy)?

What would be an Excellent, Good and Average season?

What else is a reasonable benchmark, other than past history and performance?

It would be easier if you laid out your criteria for measuring success and see how people respond to that.

I feel a cup win is far more memorable than most league seasons, that's what my best Hibees memories are based on and why I was so utterly gutted that the team threw their chances away last season. However, we move on and the past is gone.

Ross is building something good at Hibs and so he should be with the resources and backing given.

[bigwheel]

What are expectations then?

So is he given the buffer of being benchmarked against past Managers and teams under achieving or after last season do we expect similar but better (a trophy)?

What would be an Excellent, Good and Average season?

Are you hating this successful period?? ..iirc you started your positing on here with “Ross is terrible - should never be manager”…went on to last season “jury is still out”…now it’s “needs to win trophies and has to be better than managers before him”.

A couple of bad results and you’ll be all over him again …

[Stuart93]

I’d be happy with a 3rd place finish again this season. Think the leagues stronger this season than last. Aberdeen looking better and hearts also had a decent start.

FWIW I wasn’t a big Jack Ross fan and thought our performances weren’t great last season but very impressed with what I’ve seen so far this season. Our tempo looks night and day.

[Allez Hibs]

We need to be top four and qualifying for Europe consistently. Don't think we've ever achieved that in my lifetime. In saying that i don't think we should be looking back the way as a comparison. We need to continue to move forward. We're creating our own standards and expectations as we go and should always be aiming to do better than the previous season. A trophy would be an added bonus.

Agree with this 👍

It is an exciting period at the club and the squad does look really good with the depth we now have especially midfield which looks promising. I do think if we can get to the group stages of Conference League that would be unreal and a different kind of success.

[Allez Hibs]

What else is a reasonable benchmark, other than past history and performance?

It would be easier if you laid out your criteria for measuring success and see how people respond to that.

I feel a cup win is far more memorable than most league seasons, that's what my best Hibees memories are based on and why I was so utterly gutted that the team threw their chances away last season. However, we move on and the past is gone.

Ross is building something good at Hibs and so he should be with the resources and backing given.

The club is probably the biggest it's ever been in modern times and we are in a super modern era with this Europa Conference League.

[Allez Hibs]

Are you hating this successful period?? ..iirc you started your positing on here with “Ross is terrible - should never be manager”…went on to last season “jury is still out”…now it’s “needs to win trophies and has to be better than managers before him”.

A couple of bad results and you’ll be all over him again …

Behave and stop putting words in other peoples mouths.

Successful period? What's been achieved?

[neil7908]

Agree with all of this. We shouldn’t be using years of underachievement as a bench mark going forward. That’s nothing to do with JR, just more of a general point with regards to the club as a whole.

I agree 100% with this. I'm not expecting Hibs to win a trophy every year. But our record in the last 5 or so years in getting to Hampden is excellent.

I want a manager who gets us the next step to winning trophies on a semi consistent basis and gets us playing good football, finishing high up the league and winning more derbies than not.

Ron has put us in a great position to achieve that. The club are in the position to kick on in a very long time.

So far this season Ross has silenced my doubts. I'm really enjoying the football and looking forward to watching us. I'm very happy with that for now.

[Peevemor]

I agree 100% with this. I'm not expecting Hibs to win a trophy every year. But our record in the last 5 or so years in getting to Hampden is excellent.

I want a manager who gets us the next step to winning trophies on a semi consistent basis and gets us playing good football, finishing high up the league and winning more derbies than not.

Ron has put us in a great position to achieve that. The club are in the position to kick on in a very long time.

So far this season Ross has silenced my doubts. I'm really enjoying the football and looking forward to watching us. I'm very happy with that for now.

Is JR not equally responsible for that?

[The Modfather]

That’d be brilliant. He’d then be up there with the handful of managers that have managed it previously.

Winning a trophy isn’t a guarantee of respect unfortunately. John Collins is case in point. Some of the posters who have debated the merits of criticism of Ross are also the ones who have given Collins a tough time over the years despite winning a trophy and doing so in style.

Back to Ross, it’s good to see everyone on board this season. The style of football and not particularly enjoying last season were my main reservations. I’ve not seen all the games, but the ones I have I’ve very much liked what I’ve seen. A proper midfield and a team playing with tempo while not looking like it is at the expense of results or competitiveness. I still don’t think we’re clinical or ruthless enough to be a really top team, but we’re not far away IMO.

[Peevemor]

Winning a trophy isn’t a guarantee of respect unfortunately. John Collins is case in point. Some of the posters who have debated the merits of criticism of Ross are also the ones who have given Collins a tough time over the years despite winning a trophy and doing so in style.

Back to Ross, it’s good to see everyone on board this season. The style of football and not particularly enjoying last season were my main reservations. I’ve not seen all the games, but the ones I have I’ve very much liked what I’ve seen. A proper midfield and a team playing with tempo while not looking like it is at the expense of results or competitiveness. I still don’t think we’re clinical or ruthless enough to be a really top team, but we’re not far away IMO.

I'm the first to praise Ross and criticise Collins.

OK JC led us to a League Cup win - I still think JR is a far, far better manager.

[neil7908]

Is JR not equally responsible for that?

Sorry yeah I just meant that the lack of success in years gone by shouldn't be the barometer now. For me, Ron has come in and given us that bit more financial muscle to push on.

Then it's up to the manager (JR) to take that forward and achieve our goals. I know we were in a good place before he took over but it does feel like our recruitment and budget has been given a lift by RG.

A much much more extreme version is Man City. Their targets now are not based on historical league placing - it's the here and now. We are of course no where near as changed but I think its fair for JR to be set high standards.

I'll admit in hindsight I was too harsh. I don't recall wanting him gone but I was really angry after the SC final. But this season has been electric and long may it continue. There are bigger tests to come though.

[Peevemor]

Sorry yeah I just meant that the lack of success in years gone by shouldn't be the barometer now. For me, Ron has come in and given us that bit more financial muscle to push on.

Then it's up to the manager (JR) to take that forward and achieve our goals. I know we were in a good place before he took over but it does feel like our recruitment and budget has been given a lift by RG.

A much much more extreme version is Man City. Their targets now are not based on historical league placing - it's the here and now. We are of course no where near as changed but I think its fair for JR to be set high standards.

I'll admit in hindsight I was too harsh. I don't recall wanting him gone but I was really angry after the SC final. But this season has been electric and long may it continue. There are bigger tests to come though.In any case, starting off with the football structure put in place by Leeann Dempster (with the support of STF/RP), the apparent ambition of Ron Gordon and the tweaking that's been done since his arrival and the management of JR (supported by Mathie et al), we seem to be in a good place just now.

Here's hoping we can continue in the same direction.

[neil7908]

In any case, starting off with the football structure put in place by Leeann Dempster (with the support of STF/RP), the apparent ambition of Ron Gordon and the tweaking that's been done since his arrival and the management of JR (supported by Mathie et al), we seem to be in a good place just now.

Here's hoping we can continue in the same direction.

👍

[Allez Hibs]

In any case, starting off with the football structure put in place by Leeann Dempster (with the support of STF/RP), the apparent ambition of Ron Gordon and the tweaking that's been done since his arrival and the management of JR (supported by Mathie et al), we seem to be in a good place just now.

Here's hoping we can continue in the same direction.

Agreed. Things are looking promising.

[CentreLine]

Agreed. Things are looking promising.

What I’m very enthusiastic about is how we are becoming more robust against the thuggish teams. We could be out muscled against the hammer throwers but the evidence of the last four or five games suggests we can look after ourselves and yet the crisp, speedy, passing game is coming back in spades. Where’s the like button🙂

[J-C]

I think last season he consolidated what we had and probably over achieved a bit to get 3rd, I expect 4th was our aim. Tactics were probably set to make us solid and to get us as high as possible, the next step has been taken. We've added Doyle-Hayes and had a good pre season for Magennis, with Allan as an option, tactics have changed to be more attacking and the players seem to be loving it, far more freedom in their play. Well done Jack Ross, onwards and upwards.

[jeffers]

Totally agree with the points about not judging Ross based on the failings of other managers. I’m sure Ron Gordon hasn’t come in and said because historically we’ve failed to regularly finish in the top four and qualify for Europe we won’t bother setting these as realistic targets.

I’ve had concerns about Ross, but the start of this season and more so the style of football has me really encouraged. Couple that with the feeling that we are totally serious about investing in the playing side for one of the few if any periods in my lifetime.

[WhileTheChief..]

Good summary he is incrementally making us better and better. His transfer market work has been very good imo and we are buying younger players that are keen to develop. Overall he has done an excellent job and will continue to do so. The transformation from Heckys last few games is absolutely night and day. Just shows what a bit of patience can do who would have thought it.

Only if you've got the right guy in the first place!

There were plenty on here saying give 'Hecky" more time, be patient etc when it was clear he was a dud.

Let's just enjoy it now.

Not having a go at you here, but there seems to be a few posters trying to stir things up with folk who weren't jumping for joy last season. Can not just enjoy things and look forward instead of casting stuff up?

[calumhibee1]

Totally agree with the points about not judging Ross based on the failings of other managers. I’m sure Ron Gordon hasn’t come in and said because historically we’ve failed to regularly finish in the top four and qualify for Europe we won’t bother setting these as realistic targets.

I’ve had concerns about Ross, but the start of this season and more so the style of football has me really encouraged. Couple that with the feeling that we are totally serious about investing in the playing side for one of the few if any periods in my lifetime.

Agree with your last sentence. We really seem to be willing to spend a bit now which is great.

[jeffers]

Agree with your last sentence. We really seem to be willing to spend a bit now which is great.

Yes, before it always felt like something other than the playing side was taking priority.

[heretoday]

It's looking good so far. Early days.

[Gordy M]

Only if you've got the right guy in the first place!

There were plenty on here saying give 'Hecky" more time, be patient etc when it was clear he was a dud.

Let's just enjoy it now.

Not having a go at you here, but there seems to be a few posters trying to stir things up with folk who weren't jumping for joy last season. Can not just enjoy things and look forward instead of casting stuff up?

Wait, Hecky was a dud but folk wanted to give him more time......posters shouldnt be casting up stuff and move forward? Is that not exactly what you have done there?

[blackpoolhibs]

Wait, Hecky was a dud but folk wanted to give him more time......posters shouldnt be casting up stuff and move forward? Is that not exactly what you have done there?

Hecky was a dud, as soon as Ross came in our results have improved week on week. Ross and his team have done more than Hecky could ever dream of as a manager.

In my opinion, you give managers time when you can see improvement.

[Allez Hibs]

Hecky was a dud, as soon as Ross came in our results have improved week on week. Ross and his team have done more than Hecky could ever dream of as a manager.

In my opinion, you give managers time when you can see improvement.

Playing devils advocate here.

Hecky has won an English Premier League game as manager. I'm pretty sure Jack Ross would love to do that and have ambitions to do so.

[blackpoolhibs]

Playing devils advocate here.

Hecky has won an English Premier League game as manager. I'm pretty sure Jack Ross would love to do that and have ambitions to do so.

Irrelevant, he's a dud.

[Gordy M]

Hecky was a dud, as soon as Ross came in our results have improved week on week. Ross and his team have done more than Hecky could ever dream of as a manager.

In my opinion, you give managers time when you can see improvement.

The point was about casting up stuff, nothing to do with who was a dud or not?

[Smartie]

Hecky made a couple of fatal mistakes.

I don't actually think he's a bad manager, but it was correct that he was launched when he was.

He's exactly the type that you could see going on to succeed elsewhere and make us look daft, but it wasn't going to work out for him with Hibs and we're much better off with who we've got (even if Jack Ross has his flaws.)

[Allez Hibs]

Irrelevant, he's a dud.

Also took us to Hampden.

[bigwheel]

Behave and stop putting words in other peoples mouths.

Successful period? What's been achieved?

What’s been achieved is you are having to find ways of not criticising Jack Ross ..I notice you are still working away at Lewis though ..

I remain to be convinced you are a Hibs fan ….

You’re whole patter is negative , until you get called out …

[Unseen work]

The only thing I can say about Heckingbottom is that he was unfortunate to not have Boyle fit.

He’s shown how big an impact he has on this team. His own performances and the boost he gives others is huge.

We never had a bad team at the time and guys like Vela may have benefitted like Newell did.

…………………..Maxwell/Marciano……..

James……….Porteous……….Jackson/Hanlon……Stevenson…

………………..Vela…………Newell/Hallberg……

Boyle………………….Allan…………….Middleton/Horgan…..

………………………..Doidge/Kamberi….

I’m not saying we would have been third, but Boyle and playing Newell core central (which was the plan initially by the sounds of what he said) could have changed the team.

But, I’m delighted he got sacked as it meant we got Ross.

[Heisenberg]

Behave and stop putting words in other peoples mouths.

Successful period? What's been achieved?

Best league finish in 16 years.

[007]

The club is probably the biggest it's ever been in modern times and we are in a super modern era with this Europa Conference League.

One man's super modern Europa Conference League is another man's rebranded Intertoto Cup. 😯

[Northernhibee]

Hecky made a couple of fatal mistakes.

I don't actually think he's a bad manager, but it was correct that he was launched when he was.

He's exactly the type that you could see going on to succeed elsewhere and make us look daft, but it wasn't going to work out for him with Hibs and we're much better off with who we've got (even if Jack Ross has his flaws.)
Barnsley’s Stubbs and our Cathro. Right man in the right place at the right club before us and undoubtedly an excellent coach but totally not the right character to lead a club with the lofty ambitions of Hibs.

[Bridge hibs]

What’s been achieved is you are having to find ways of not criticising Jack Ross ..I notice you are still working away at Lewis though ..

I remain to be convinced you are a Hibs fan ….

You’re whole patter is negative , until you get called out …Dont know why people respond to him, hibs.nets pub bore

[bigwheel]

Dont know why people respond to him, hibs.nets pub bore

Fair point [emoji106][emoji122]

[Garymcl]

For me the style of football is very important at our club we are traditionally a team that attacks and has in the past had great wide men I don’t like losing obviously but in my opinion if we do lose a game there is a small consolation if we give it our all and attack and try to play good football it helps any disappointment this team are really playing stylish football and like it a lot so far we are in a good place let’s do our bit and get along to support them especially now we hope to get more people in stadiums :thumbsup:

[Allez Hibs]

One man's super modern Europa Conference League is another man's rebranded Intertoto Cup. 😯

Which would be financially big for the club if we made the group stages.

[WhileTheChief..]

The point was about casting up stuff, nothing to do with who was a dud or not?

The point was about having patience with managers.

Jack Ross deserved it, Heckingbottom didn't. ( in my humble opinion of course, I appreciate some folk rated Heckingbottom).