European super league

[jacomo]

The proposal has nothing to do with promotion or relegation though.


Eh? Of course it does... you need to check your facts before commenting. The new league is by invitation, not sporting merit.

And do you work for JP Morgan or something? You seem to be a staunch defender of this hideous new plan, for reasons that aren’t entirely clear to me.

[Oscar T Grouch]

Neville is a majoirty shareholder in Salford who literally bought their way to skip through several tiers of the English football pyramid.

Any club in England can do that though, that is why their pyramid system is second to none. If you have the money, the know how or an endless supply of great footballers you can take a team from county leagues right the way to the premier league. Forest Green Rovers did this, they came from local then country leagues through regional leagues, into the conference leagues and then eventually in league football.

[MWHIBBIES]

"The game was definitely still about the fans when Utd were paying me £60k a week"

-G. Neville, Manchester

Has absolutely nothing to do with this. He is spot on with what he says and his wages 15 years ago, when he was a top player, have nothing to do with it.

[blackpoolhibs]

Are viewing figures going up for the current set up, as i certainly dont watch half as much of the Champions league, and i'd be the same with this new system?

How will it be funded?

[SteveHFC]

https://twitter.com/spionkop1906/status/1384095535854800901?s=21

[Ozyhibby]

Are viewing figures going up for the current set up, as i certainly dont watch half as much of the Champions league, and i'd be the same with this new system?

How will it be funded?

Down about 30% recently since move away from Sky.


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[Greenio]

Neville is a majoirty shareholder in Salford who literally bought their way to skip through several tiers of the English football pyramid.

Which anyone can do.

You want salary caps?

[Ozyhibby]

Which anyone can do.

You want salary caps?

I do.
Funnily enough, I think this is where this new league is heading. The US owners can’t understand why so much of the money generated goes to the players.


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[jacomo]

Has absolutely nothing to do with this. He is spot on with what he says and his wages 15 years ago, when he was a top player, have nothing to do with it.


It’s not entirely an unfair criticism.

However, I’m not minded to pick a fight with Gary Neville when there is a much bigger war being waged.

[ABZHFC]

This goes all the way down by the way, and Scottish football should resist hyper-capitalist involvement in our game at all costs, market ourselves as the alternative along with other leagues who will tell these clubs where to **** off to.

Still makes me cringe thinking of Dempster's email a few seasons back that started with the phrase 'how ambitious is your club?'. I don't want the guardians of 'my club' to ever use those sort of vacuous, corporate buzzwords, I just want Hibs to run out in green and white and play at Easter Road against other Scottish teams with varying levels of success each season until I am dead in the mud, simple as that.

[jacomo]

I do.
Funnily enough, I think this is where this new league is heading. The US owners can’t understand why so much of the money generated goes to the players.


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But that would make no sense. The only draw for the players in this new set up, as I can see it, is the opportunity to make even more ridiculous amounts of money than they do already.

[MWHIBBIES]

Are viewing figures going up for the current set up, as i certainly dont watch half as much of the Champions league, and i'd be the same with this new system?

How will it be funded?

American investment bank putting up 4.6 billion
TV deals with amazon and others in the works
China and America alone, 2 countries who couldn't care less about what this does to domestic football, will provide enough viewing to cover it. Games will be early morning in this country so they can get biggest foreign audience.

[MWHIBBIES]

It’s not entirely an unfair criticism.

However, I’m not minded to pick a fight with Gary Neville when there is a much bigger war being waged.

Of course it is. He earned good money because he was worth good money to a team earning big money. They had the same chance to earn that money as everyone else. This league gives only 12 sides the chance to earn that money.

[Ozyhibby]

But that would make no sense. The only draw for the players in this new set up, as I can see it, is the opportunity to make even more ridiculous amounts of money than they do already.

They would still be the best paid league in the world, especially after undermining the epl.


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[Scouse Hibee]

Sorry if you've already posted them and I've not seen, Scouse, but I'd be interested to know your thoughts on all this as a diehard scouser?

It's fairly easy for us to say "if it was Hibs" or indeed for me to listen to one of the Liverpool 'fans' I know in my social circles. But what are your feelings on it right now? Do you already feel completely let down by the club? Do you think you would walk away if it were all to go ahead as 'proposed'?

Not for the first time the club have let the fans down, this goes completely against what Liverpool football club is supposed to be about. Would I ever be able to walk away, probably not.

[Ozyhibby]

EPL meeting tomorrow with only the 14 clubs left behind. IMO they need to go nuclear on this.
Ceferin has said uefa are going to ban them once they have their legal ducks in a row.

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[Yorkshire HFC]

There is no comparison there at all :dunno:

I agree with everything he said.

It's just that when he does it from his platform on Sky, which started this whole mess, that it is hard to take him seriously.

[Billy Whizz]

EPL meeting tomorrow with only the 14 clubs left behind. IMO they need to go nuclear on this.
Ceferin has said uefa are going to ban them once they have their legal ducks in a row.

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How do you think this is going to end!

[WhileTheChief..]

The are undermining it though. They are taking away euro qualification. It’s one of its big selling points to broadcasters. ‘The battle for the top 4’. Future TV deal will reflect the fact that it is less competitive and there is nothing to play for for most of the league.


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There will be hee-haw for most clubs in the super league to play for either.

There might be two or three clubs fighting it out to win the league. The rest of the games will be ‘glamour’ friendlies where they don’t want to risk injuring players who will be needed in their league games. They will have literally nothing to play for.

Personally I don’t see anything coming from this. The top clubs have completely underestimated the strength of feeling against it.

[HappyAsHellas]

How do you think this is going to end!

Horribly - 5 million subscribers in the UK versus 500 million in Asia/Americas. Follow the money.

[Scorrie]

Not for the first time the club have let the fans down, this goes completely against what Liverpool football club is supposed to be about. Would I ever be able to walk away, probably not.

A really honest response that and the crux of the matter may be that if Liverpool supporters ( and the other teams) can only watch their team in this new league ( assuming other competitions are closed to them), people are still likely to go to the game. The medium and long term scenario is probably a power struggle between 2 rival set ups. Sustainable in the long term? Who knows

[Ozyhibby]

https://spfl.co.uk/news/spfl-statement-47628


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[Saint Hibee]

https://spfl.co.uk/news/spfl-statement-47628


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I find myself agreeing with both Boris Johnson and Neil Doncaster in the same day - something is clearly badly wrong!

[Saint Hibee]

A nice idea by Grimsby Town (from The Guardian):

“Grimsby have responded to the proposed launch of the super league by offering fans of the English clubs involved the chance to trade in their shirt for a Mariners one. The ‘shirt amnesty’ is open to holders of any Manchester United, Manchester City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Tottenham or Chelsea shirts that are less than three seasons old. In return the club are offering a replica 2020-21 Grimsby shirt, with the unwanted Premier League kits to be donated to local youth groups and humanitarian projects in Africa.
“In light of recent events surrounding the introduction of the European Super League (https://www.theguardian.com/football/european-super-league), Grimsby Town Football Club will be running a shirt amnesty for those who hold shirts for the English clubs involved,” a statement on the club website read. “Without fans, football and Grimsby Town Football Club are nothing. “We would like to thank you for the fantastic support you have provided us this season and we cannot wait to welcome you back to Blundell Park as soon as possible.”

[007]

https://spfl.co.uk/news/spfl-statement-47628


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Quite right.

[Ozyhibby]

How do you think this is going to end!

Horribly. Whatever happens now, nobody can afford to back down. This is a fight to the death. If the 12 clubs back down, they will be powerless within uefa and if uefa backs down then it’s finished.
I have believed for a while now that this is inevitable but always felt it would happen season by season as uefa gradually gave the clubs what they wanted. And that appeared to be the way it was going. Obviously not fast enough for some and they have went the nuclear option. I personally think this is a mistake but I’ve no clue how it turns out.
I have no faith that fans of these clubs really will turn their back on them. But the people running these clubs will need balls of steel to follow through with it now in the face of expulsion from their domestic leagues and uefa tournaments.


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[Onion]

Has rangers, celtic and hearts invite gone out yet? Surely they are bigger than porto etc?

The Rangers and Celtic will be licking their lips at all this European League stuff. It's exactly the kind of disruptive event that can get them out of Scotland and into the land of milk and honey. If a power struggle ensues between UEFA and the 12, all it would take is for the 12 to start "inviting" the likes of Celtic and The Rangers to join them - perhaps to set up a 2nd division, with protect of promotion to play the 12 at some point.

Can you ever imagine Celtic or The Rangers turning down such an invite ? No chance.

[Ozyhibby]

The Rangers and Celtic will be licking their lips at all this European League stuff. It's exactly the kind of disruptive event that can get them out of Scotland and into the land of milk and honey. If a power struggle ensues between UEFA and the 12, all it would take is for the 12 to start "inviting" the likes of Celtic and The Rangers to join them - perhaps to set up a 2nd division, with protect of promotion to play the 12 at some point.

Can you ever imagine Celtic or The Rangers turning down such an invite ? No chance.

I think this is going to result in massive disruption all over the place and in places we don’t expect. I don’t buy into the talk that none of this effect Hibs.
Hopefully we are smart enough to be pro active when the time comes rather than just letting change happen to us.


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[Saint Hibee]

The Rangers and Celtic will be licking their lips at all this European League stuff. It's exactly the kind of disruptive event that can get them out of Scotland and into the land of milk and honey. If a power struggle ensues between UEFA and the 12, all it would take is for the 12 to start "inviting" the likes of Celtic and The Rangers to join them - perhaps to set up a 2nd division, with protect of promotion to play the 12 at some point.

Can you ever imagine Celtic or The Rangers turning down such an invite ? No chance.

And I'm assuming that Hearts must already be one of the 12 super-clubs?

[Onion]

Horribly. Whatever happens now, nobody can afford to back down. This is a fight to the death. If the 12 clubs back down, they will be powerless within uefa and if uefa backs down then it’s finished.
I have believed for a while now that this is inevitable but always felt it would happen season by season as uefa gradually gave the clubs what they wanted. And that appeared to be the way it was going. Obviously not fast enough for some and they have went the nuclear option. I personally think this is a mistake but I’ve no clue how it turns out.
I have no faith that fans of these clubs really will turn their back on them. But the people running these clubs will need balls of steel to follow through with it now in the face of expulsion from their domestic leagues and uefa tournaments.


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The issue for the 12 is - while they may be the richest clubs in Europe - they are not necessarily the best on the field or able to guarantee themselves CL places/success which is where the competition money is. And financial fair play rules restrict their ability to generate cash. That all disappears with the proposed new set up.

[Del Boy]

The Rangers and Celtic will be licking their lips at all this European League stuff. It's exactly the kind of disruptive event that can get them out of Scotland and into the land of milk and honey. If a power struggle ensues between UEFA and the 12, all it would take is for the 12 to start "inviting" the likes of Celtic and The Rangers to join them - perhaps to set up a 2nd division, with protect of promotion to play the 12 at some point.

Can you ever imagine Celtic or The Rangers turning down such an invite ? No chance.

I was thinking similar. Celtic and Rangers fans are the exact type of fan who would back this too - they support greedy bullys. Plus you just know that the SFA/SPFL would roll over and let them continue to field a reserve team in our top division. Whilst the initial proposal seems a ridiculous non-starter if UEFA/domestic FA’s leave any room for manoeuvre then the consequences will be dire. They need to be told firmly to **** off snd all 12 should be hammered.

[Onion]

And I'm assuming that Hearts must already be one of the 12 super-clubs?

Nope. Only if Brora Rangers decline their invitation first.

[SteveHFC]

Grimsby are giving you a free shirt if you donate any of the 6 English teams shirts to charity.

[Onion]

I was thinking similar. Celtic and Rangers fans are the exact type of fan who would back this too - they support greedy bullys. Plus you just know that the SFA/SPFL would roll over and let them continue to field a reserve team in our top division. Whilst the initial proposal seems a ridiculous non-starter if UEFA/domestic FA’s leave any room for manoeuvre then the consequences will be dire. They need to be told firmly to **** off snd all 12 should be hammered.

Not if UEFA/FIFA have anything to do with it. The SFA?SPFL will be told exactly what to do with any applications from Celtic/Sevco.

I like the idea of the UK/Spanish/Italian governments introducing a hefty Super Tax on these European League clubs, with the proceeds used to bolster National competition/leagues and grass roots football. The game is far too important for it to be hijacked by a handful of greedy owners who have little to no interest in the game itself.

[Brightside]

Imagine if this pushed people to support their local teams instead. Could be a revolution for grass roots.

[007]

The Rangers and Celtic will be licking their lips at all this European League stuff. It's exactly the kind of disruptive event that can get them out of Scotland and into the land of milk and honey. If a power struggle ensues between UEFA and the 12, all it would take is for the 12 to start "inviting" the likes of Celtic and The Rangers to join them - perhaps to set up a 2nd division, with protect of promotion to play the 12 at some point.

Can you ever imagine Celtic or The Rangers turning down such an invite ? No chance.

I wouldn't be too bothered if they left but only if they left Scottish football completely. I don't want them also entering our leagues or cups, even if they were fielding weakened teams. It wouldn't be long before they'd use the Super League millions they'd be gifted to hoover up all the decent players from the others Scottish teams and have supersized squads to be able to play in all the competitions.

[Ozyhibby]

I wouldn't be too bothered if they left but only if they left Scottish football completely. I don't want them also entering our leagues or cups, even if they were fielding weakened teams. It wouldn't be long before they'd use the Super League millions they'd be gifted to hoover up all the decent players from the others Scottish teams and have supersized squads to be able to play in all the competitions.

Hibs can’t afford them to leave without us having to head to another league as well.


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[Lendo]

Is Barcelona not fan-owned? How on earth do they plan on selling this to the voting fans that have a stake in the club?

[WeeRussell]

There is no comparison there at all :dunno:

Yeah I am lost as to how that qualified as a response to my post as well.

[greenlex]

Horribly. Whatever happens now, nobody can afford to back down. This is a fight to the death. If the 12 clubs back down, they will be powerless within uefa and if uefa backs down then it’s finished.
I have believed for a while now that this is inevitable but always felt it would happen season by season as uefa gradually gave the clubs what they wanted. And that appeared to be the way it was going. Obviously not fast enough for some and they have went the nuclear option. I personally think this is a mistake but I’ve no clue how it turns out.
I have no faith that fans of these clubs really will turn their back on them. But the people running these clubs will need balls of steel to follow through with it now in the face of expulsion from their domestic leagues and uefa tournaments.


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Money talks. The 12 will become 18 or 20. They will go it alone. The players will be paid even more and sacrifice their international careers for the Wonga. They will sacrifice domestic football for this. Clubs fans will fall into line and back them as it’s deemed to be the pinnacle of world football at club level and as fans we back our clubs al the time. It’s what we do. UEFA and FIFA will eventually capitulate even if it’s years down the line. Domestic football will welcome them back even if it is their B teams. Money is the factor always has and always will be whatever the level. Even if it means making a new level. Might even be the birth of European league football beneath it. It was only a matter of time. The remaining clubs will eventually demand it.

[jacomo]

Is Barcelona not fan-owned? How on earth do they plan on selling this to the voting fans that have a stake in the club?


Seems like the Spanish old firm have got the Spanish media on side, unlike England and Italy where reaction seems to be mostly hostile.

As said above, Barca are massively in debt and maybe some fans will be persuaded that this is a necessary move.

Let’s hope not - they have the power to stop it.

[WeeRussell]

Not for the first time the club have let the fans down, this goes completely against what Liverpool football club is supposed to be about. Would I ever be able to walk away, probably not.

:aok:

[Ozyhibby]

Money talks. The 12 will become 18 or 20. They will go it alone. The players will be paid even more and sacrifice their international careers for the Wonga. They will sacrifice domestic football for this. Clubs fans will fall into line and back them as it’s deemed to be the pinnacle of world football at club level and as fans we back our clubs al the time. It’s what we do. UEFA and FIFA will eventually capitulate even if it’s years down the line. Domestic football will welcome them back even if it is their B teams. Money is the factor always has and always will be whatever the level. Even if it means making a new level. Might even be the birth of European league football beneath it. It was only a matter of time. The remaining clubs will eventually demand it.

I don’t think I have ever seen one of these battles where the big clubs and money men don’t win in the end?


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[greenlex]

I don’t think I have ever seen one of these battles where the big clubs and money men don’t win in the end?


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Aye it’s called greed and it always wins. That and the grass is always greener coupled by fomo.

[Pagan Hibernia]

I don’t think I have ever seen one of these battles where the big clubs and money men don’t win in the end?


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mercer vs Hands off Hibs?

after all big clubs don’t come much bigger than hearts

[chippy]

The Rangers and Celtic will be licking their lips at all this European League stuff. It's exactly the kind of disruptive event that can get them out of Scotland and into the land of milk and honey. If a power struggle ensues between UEFA and the 12, all it would take is for the 12 to start "inviting" the likes of Celtic and The Rangers to join them - perhaps to set up a 2nd division, with protect of promotion to play the 12 at some point.

Can you ever imagine Celtic or The Rangers turning down such an invite ? No chance.

I think you’re more or less spot on with this. Rangers and Celtic would never turn down a place in a 2nd tier ESL. I wonder if this is a contingency and there is more money available. I also think the full plans will include a global set up including North and South America, China, India and Asia. So getting booted from domestic leagues won’t bother them much.

[Pagan Hibernia]

Is Barcelona not fan-owned? How on earth do they plan on selling this to the voting fans that have a stake in the club?

remember the days when barca wouldn’t even sully their shirt with a sponsor?

what the hell happened that club

[green day]

The issue for the 12 is - while they may be the richest clubs in Europe - they are not necessarily the best on the field or able to guarantee themselves CL places/success which is where the competition money is. And financial fair play rules restrict their ability to generate cash. That all disappears with the proposed new set up.

Just to be clear - because they generate vast amounts of money, doesn't make them the richest clubs.

Every one of them has huge amounts of debt, not least Barcelona on €1bn.

This is simply about money, paying off debts, and getting another sucker (JP Morgan) to underwrite it.

[hibsbollah]

I would love to see that happen.

The only downside I can see to this from a Hibs point of view is UEFA decided to again restructure the Champions League/ Europa and decide to do away with the Conference League.

There are still going to be some huge clubs in England - Villa, Everton, Leeds, Newcastle just for starters and there’ll be room now at the top table down there for clubs with great traditions like Forest and Sheffield Wednesday etc. As it stands now I’ve no interest in watching the Premiership chugfest and the fawning over the same six teams, it is of no relevance to me and it’s quite frankly boring but I’d be inclined to watch it if it’s freshened up and there are new clubs challenging for the league and FA Cup, as it currently is I couldn’t tell you the last time I sat and watched an English match that wasn’t an early round of the FA Cup featuring an underdog.

As for the ‘Champions’ league. Another farce. Teams who finish 4th in their leagues straight into the money and parachuted into the groups, then other countries champions having to negotiate 3 qualifying rounds, it’s an absolute joke.

There’ll still be big clubs in the Champions League, just off the top of my head England’s lot, the likes of Feyenoord and Ajax, Benfica, Marseille, Roma, Lazio, Valencia. It’ll be a far more level playing field and I’d rather watch those clubs than Chelsea v Barcelona or Juventus v Man City every season.

It’s pure greed, and done purely to suit these African and Asian supporters who’s idea of supporting a team is buying the strip every season and posting rubbish on said clubs social media posts, or the pub bore who sits in boozers in every city up and down Britain ‘supporting’ Chelsea or Liverpool and patronising other punters for following the local team. As much as I genuinely feel for the Man U or Arsenal season ticket holder from Salford or north London who follow their team all over the country every week, their clubs are now soulless franchises and I hope and pray the ESL ends in a complete and utter disaster.

I agree with most of that, but I disagree with this assumption that foreign based fans will line up obediently behind the new super league concept either. Lots of Asian based or European based fans are super loyal to Liverpool or Man U and get a lot of identity from being a ‘real’ fan in the sense of trying to be as much like a Scouser or a Manc as possible, exactly the opposite as you describe. It might seem weird to us but a Korean Man U fan can be just as passionate as a local fan. Nobody likes a plastic or wants to be a plastic either.

[Fergus52]

There is no comparison there at all :dunno:

I had misread a tweet and thought that they had literally paid to skip past the NPL divisions and go into conference North.

[ekhibee]

https://twitter.com/dannykellywords/status/1383961736521216000/photo/1

Fascinating read that, basically these clubs are so far in debt that they have to gamble on a one off chance to recoup the debts that they owe.

[Onion]

Hibs can’t afford them to leave without us having to head to another league as well.


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That depends. If UEFA still control the bulk of football and can still generate huge revenues this could open the door for clubs like Hibs, Hearts, Aberdeen to compete and benefit from extra European places.

I hope the 12 get tossed out of next season's European competitions, opening up a dozen CL places. Hibs might get dropped straight into the Europa Group stages :greengrin

[Stonewall]

The Rangers and Celtic will be licking their lips at all this European League stuff. It's exactly the kind of disruptive event that can get them out of Scotland and into the land of milk and honey. If a power struggle ensues between UEFA and the 12, all it would take is for the 12 to start "inviting" the likes of Celtic and The Rangers to join them - perhaps to set up a 2nd division, with protect of promotion to play the 12 at some point.

Can you ever imagine Celtic or The Rangers turning down such an invite ? No chance.

The American owners don’t want relegation so a second division seems unlikely.

interesting to see what the big German clubs do.

[The_Exile]

I think there will be so much opposition across the board for this that it simply won't get enough traction to go ahead. However, if it does, I will quite happily sit and watch from afar while the boat sinks, and be quite thankful that proper fitba will carry on regardless.

[JeMeSouviens]

The American owners don’t want relegation so a second division seems unlikely.

interesting to see what the big German clubs do.

NFL style conferences would be more likely if they expand.

[Stonewall]

Fascinating read that, basically these clubs are so far in debt that they have to gamble on a one off chance to recoup the debts that they owe.

My Heart bleeds.

[Billy Whizz]

The American owners don’t want relegation so a second division seems unlikely.

interesting to see what the big German clubs do.

One of the Ex players on Sky, basically saying the American model, doesn’t work in Europe. I know the Glaziers borrowed heavy money to buy Man Utd, what is the Liverpool situation with debt?

We now have 3 American type owners in our top league at Aberdeen, Dundee Utd and Hibs. Think United and Aberdeen have a fair bit of debt, not sure they get out of it?

[The dalmeny]

I find myself agreeing with both Boris Johnson and Neil Doncaster in the same day - something is clearly badly wrong!

Mother of god

[SteveHFC]

https://twitter.com/English_AS/status/1384183158929649675?s=20

[MWHIBBIES]

Really hope they do kick them out the CL and Man United/Arsenal out of the Europa league. That will genuinely show them that it is serious.

[hibsbollah]

NFL style conferences would be more likely if they expand.

Also, there is no way they want their 6 UK franchises concentrated like they are, 3 in London, and 3 in theNorth West of England as they are at the moment. Franchising means moving cities, inevitably. Moscow City or Kuala Lumpur Red Devils, anyone? It’s not like the owners aren’t from Russia or the Gulf or anything :dunno: If you want the NFL/NBA model, accept the consequences.

[Onion]

The American owners don’t want relegation so a second division seems unlikely.

interesting to see what the big German clubs do.

The Dirty Dozen will be vaccinated against relegation. The others invited to join them will sign whatever terms they're offered. Players, Managers, Commentators, Media, Owners will all be whoring themselves before long, simply because of the money involved.

I'd be absolutely astonished if Celtic and The Rangers have not already been in discussions. Give it a day or two and sentiment towards this breakaway will change. Fans of the 12 will not give a jot about this, or the wider good of the game. They will pay ££££ to support their team.

[whiskyhibby]

Not if UEFA/FIFA have anything to do with it. The SFA?SPFL will be told exactly what to do with any applications from Celtic/Sevco.

I like the idea of the UK/Spanish/Italian governments introducing a hefty Super Tax on these European League clubs, with the proceeds used to bolster National competition/leagues and grass roots football. The game is far too important for it to be hijacked by a handful of greedy owners who have little to no interest in the game itself.

good point, it also amazes me how UEFA can allow a football team play in the Champions league with near £1Bn of debt, so much for the fair play rules.....

[Hibernia&Alba]

Really hope they do kick them out the CL and Man United/Arsenal out of the Europa league. That will genuinely show them that it is serious.

It will be very interesting to watch the fallout. Neither side can afford to back down now, more so UEFA and the national associations. It's the last chance for UEFA to show some integrity themselves.

[Lendo]

Really hope they do kick them out the CL and Man United/Arsenal out of the Europa league. That will genuinely show them that it is serious.

I’ve bet on PSG, Villarreal and Roma to win their games. Banking on UEFA kicking out the others and awarding 3-0 wins to each.

It’ll never happen though.

[Hibernia&Alba]

good point, it also amazes me how UEFA can allow a football team play in the Champions league with near £1Bn of debt, so much for the fair play rules.....

Haven't the FFFP already been scrapped? I thought that happened when the Man City ban was overturned?

[AliboyFC]

Just read the format there. It sounds ***** to be honest. Two groups of 10 in a league format. Every other team playing off for the chance to be one of five teams that get to join the mighty 15 (which somehow includes Tottenham) in their competition. Let them off if that's what they want to do - but suspend them from domestic and European competition effective immediately.

Leicester for the premier league again?!

If it does happen leicester will probably win again most likely.

[Ozyhibby]

It will be very interesting to watch the fallout. Neither side can afford to back down now, more so UEFA and the national associations. It's the last chance for UEFA to show some integrity themselves.

Neither side can back down but there is a chance that one or two of the 12 lose their bottle. Although I would expect that there would be massive financial penalties from the super league if they do.


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[AliboyFC]

Just read the format there. It sounds ***** to be honest. Two groups of 10 in a league format. Every other team playing off for the chance to be one of five teams that get to join the mighty 15 (which somehow includes Tottenham) in their competition. Let them off if that's what they want to do - but suspend them from domestic and European competition effective immediately.

Leicester for the premier league again?!

If this does happen leicester will probably win the league again most likely.

[Ozyhibby]

If this does happen leicester will probably win the league again most likely.

Surely West Ham would be favourites if you discount games v the dirty 6?


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[WeeRussell]

Someone mentioned Andy Walker earlier on the thread. It might be the clip I watched was different but to be fair to him (as I was ready to criticise him once again as well!) he only appeared to say that Celtic and rangers would jump at the chance and that would be down to money.. he didn’t actually say they SHOULD be involved. Basically calling the old firm what they are, like we all would.

On a totally different point. I was thinking about how often the managers of these English clubs involved are always bleating about having to play at reasonable times at the weekend, after playing midweek in Europe.. yet their clubs are wanting to sign-up to add a regular midweek competition!

[Dr What If?]

The American owners don’t want relegation so a second division seems unlikely.

interesting to see what the big German clubs do.
Plan is to have a 20 team competition with 15 'permanent' members. The other five places will be competed for via a qualifying competition each season. The intention is to still have teams playing in their domestic competitions on a weekend with ESL games played midweek.

[Bishop Hibee]

Quite possible that Amazon Prime or Disney will buy up the rights for a Superleague.

Just watched an Internazionale fan in Beijing on the BBC news saying he’s keen on the idea as it’ll mean more competitive games. Says it all really.

[SteveHFC]

Quite possible that Amazon Prime or Disney will buy up the rights for a Superleague.

Just watched an Internazionale fan in Beijing on the BBC news saying he’s keen on the idea as it’ll mean more competitive games. Says it all really.

Only plastic fans are keen on this idea

[Bishop Hibee]

Only plastic fans are keen on this idea

Millions of them round the world. This guy had all the merchandise and pride of place a photo of himself outside the San Siro. That’s the fans they are interested in.

[Dr What If?]

I'd be absolutely astonished if Celtic and The Rangers have not already been in discussions. Give it a day or two and sentiment towards this breakaway will change. Fans of the 12 will not give a jot about this, or the wider good of the game. They will pay ££££ to support their team.
ESL would not be interested in these 'diddy' teams, they are leaving the door open for the likes of PSG, Bayern and Ajax.....if these guys don't sign up there will be a big list of far more attractive prospects before they get to the OF.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Carragher and Neville are spot on. They are ashamed of their clubs :top marks

[JeMeSouviens]

Also, there is no way they want their 6 UK franchises concentrated like they are, 3 in London, and 3 in theNorth West of England as they are at the moment. Franchising means moving cities, inevitably. Moscow City or Kuala Lumpur Red Devils, anyone? It’s not like the owners aren’t from Russia or the Gulf or anything :dunno: If you want the NFL/NBA model, accept the consequences.

:agree:

I’m sure World Super League will be the longer term aim.

Although we’re all being mean calling it a closed shop. Apparently the founding clubs are only guaranteed membership for the first 23 years. :greengrin

[SteveHFC]

Carragher and Neville are spot on. They are ashamed of their clubs :top marks

Klopp too.

[Baader]

Quite possible that Amazon Prime or Disney will buy up the rights for a Superleague.

Just watched an Internazionale fan in Beijing on the BBC news saying he’s keen on the idea as it’ll mean more competitive games. Says it all really.

Equally possible that they won't. If its empty stadiums and players that are effectively embargoed from all other competitions no broadcaster will go near it. I do think these greedy owners are overestimating the interest outside of Europe. How long would people be interested in seeing Man City hammer Arsenal or Real Madrid beat Spurs year on year?

[hibbysam]

Klopp too.

Not for me. Had the chance to confirm he’s completely against it yet keeps saying he needs to see the details first. Has a go at the fans for having a go at the club, has a go at Leeds about standing up to it. I’d wager a decent sized bet that Klopp would be in charge of Liverpool for the first game if it goes ahead.

[calumhibee1]

Could see Klopp walking from Liverpool in the next few days.

[HoboHarry]

Not for me. Had the chance to confirm he’s completely against it yet keeps saying he needs to see the details first. Has a go at the fans for having a go at the club, has a go at Leeds about standing up to it. I’d wager a decent sized bet that Klopp would be in charge of Liverpool for the first game if it goes ahead.
Not sure about that. Just seen him interviewed before the Leeds game and he looked like a guy struggling to be diplomatic.

[hibbysam]

Not sure about that. Just seen him interviewed before the Leeds game and he looked like a guy struggling to be diplomatic.

Watched it myself and like I say, he could easily have said he completely disagreed with it and wouldn’t be there should Liverpool go ahead with it. He didn’t and ended up turning it into an argument against UEFA, FIFA, fans, Leeds, Gary Neville.

[DH1875]

Not for me. Had the chance to confirm he’s completely against it yet keeps saying he needs to see the details first. Has a go at the fans for having a go at the club, has a go at Leeds about standing up to it. I’d wager a decent sized bet that Klopp would be in charge of Liverpool for the first game if it goes ahead.


Klopp will be the Bayern manager next season.

[HoboHarry]

Watched it myself and like I say, he could easily have said he completely disagreed with it and wouldn’t be there should Liverpool go ahead with it. He didn’t and ended up turning it into an argument against UEFA, FIFA, fans, Leeds, Gary Neville.
He can't say that without resigning today. I think he will be gone before too long. Maybe to Bayern?

[hibbysam]

He can't say that without resigning today. I think he will be gone before too long. Maybe to Bayern?

Then he should’ve walked then.

[greenginger]

Hope it gets made to those clubs/ franchises that if they leave for this super league and it goes pear shaped, returning to their current leagues would not be an option.

It would be , apply for admission and start at the bottom of the pyramid. About 10 years to climb back up in England.


Buying a Football league club and changing its name should also be blocked. If Man.U or the like buy something like Fleetwood Town to jump over a few divisions their name should still be Fleetwood Town , even if they’re playing at Old Trafford. :greengrin

[Hibernia&Alba]

Hope it gets made to those clubs/ franchises that if they leave for this super league and it goes pear shaped, returning to their current leagues would not be an option.

It would be , apply for admission and start at the bottom of the pyramid. About 10 years to climb back up in England.


Buying a Football league club and changing its name should also be blocked. If Man.U or the like buy something like Fleetwood Town to jump over a few divisions their name should still be Fleetwood Town , even if they’re playing at Old Trafford. :greengrin

Didn't a UEFA statement last night say any clubs returning to their own leagues would have to begin in the fifth tier?

[CropleyWasGod]

Hope it gets made to those clubs/ franchises that if they leave for this super league and it goes pear shaped, returning to their current leagues would not be an option.

It would be , apply for admission and start at the bottom of the pyramid. About 10 years to climb back up in England.


Buying a Football league club and changing its name should also be blocked. If Man.U or the like buy something like Fleetwood Town to jump over a few divisions their name should still be Fleetwood Town , even if they’re playing at Old Trafford. :greengrin

They're not leaving their own leagues. The ESL would be midweek, with domestic games at the weekend.

[Hibernia&Alba]

"How did Spurs and Arsenal wangle an invite into this Super League? I'd rather watch the champions of San Marino; they're a joke to watch at the moment" :greengrin

Gary Neville

[Hibernia&Alba]

They're not leaving their own leagues. The ESL would be midweek, with domestic games at the weekend.

They have been told they we will be leaving, like or not.

[DH1875]

Are Spurs a much bigger club than Roma?

[Since90+2]

Are Spurs a much bigger club than Roma?

Not in terms of history or support I wouldn't say so. Probably roughly about the same.

Spurs commercially seem to punch well above their weight though.

[jacomo]

They're not leaving their own leagues. The ESL would be midweek, with domestic games at the weekend.


It’s just the thin end of the wedge. We all know that to be true.

[Scorrie]

He can't say that without resigning today. I think he will be gone before too long. Maybe to Bayern?

I think Bayern want Nagelsmann to be their next coach

[hibbysam]

I’d also like to think this is the backlash we’d receive if we ever tried to piss off and leave the dregs of Scottish football to die in a ditch just so our owners can make a quick buck or 5.

[Ozyhibby]

They could be leaving their own league by tomorrow.


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[Ozyhibby]

I’d also like to think this is the backlash we’d receive if we ever tried to piss off and leave the dregs of Scottish football to die in a ditch just so our owners can make a quick buck or 5.

We’ll find out soon enough.


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[WhileTheChief..]

It’s hardly a Euro competition when it only involves 3 countries.

They need to get others on board or it will be tails between the legs for them.

Feels weird being on UEFAs side in this. Someone on the radio pointed out that they aren’t the good guys.

There aren’t any good guys. Just two group of horribly greedy suits that continue to fleece fans.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/theathleticuk/status/1384215629587091457?s=21


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[O'Rourke3]

Would a League or an FA want 6 teams that probably don't want to compete in the cups or constantly play reserve teams? They don't need to win any competition to qualify for the Rollerball Federation. So what is the point of them other than ESL?

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[WoreTheGreen]

Hats off to Neville but Mercer takeover bid a bit closer to heart

[hibbysam]

We’ll find out soon enough.


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In your opinion.

[660]

Wouldn’t be surprised if this is why Ron bought Hibs. Maybe he sees an Atlantic league as an inevitability if he heard this was in the pipeline and wanted in. Looks like these models generate money for owners in the US and he does have a background in broadcasting. Seems to make sense and answers a few questions about why he bought us in the first place.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/theathleticuk/status/1384211442228875268?s=21


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[Since90+2]

Wouldn’t be surprised if this is why Ron bought Hibs. Maybe he sees an Atlantic league as an inevitability if he heard this was in the pipeline and wanted in. Looks like these models generate money for owners in the US and he does have a background in broadcasting. Seems to make sense and answers a few questions about why he bought us in the first place.

Nah. This has absolutely nothing to do with Hibs (thankfully).

This is about the biggest commercial entities in world football wanting to maximise TV revenue from other parts of the world but mainly from Asia and North America.

Nobody, not even us Hibs supporters, is bothered about Hibs playing some Norwegian or Irish side.

[Billy Whizz]

Wouldn’t be surprised if this is why Ron bought Hibs. Maybe he sees an Atlantic league as an inevitability if he heard this was in the pipeline and wanted in. Looks like these models generate money for owners in the US and he does have a background in broadcasting. Seems to make sense and answers a few questions about why he bought us in the first place.

Think the message of the last 24 hours, is be aware of American owners. I’m still scratching my head why Ron Gordon would buy us for football reasons, and nothing has changed this since he bought Hibs

I still wonder why Sir Tom sold to him, it’s not as if he was needing the money

[Since90+2]

Think the message of the last 24 hours, is be aware of American owners. I’m still scratching my head why Ron Gordon would buy us for football reasons, and nothing has changed this since he bought Hibs

I still wonder why Sir Tom sold to him, it’s not as if he was needing the money

Don't agree with that at all. Ron Gordon has been good for Hibs and by all accounts seems to genuinely care for the club and it's community from those that have met him.

Just because he is American (well Peruvian actually) let's not all start looking at him as some kind of threat to the club.

[WhileTheChief..]

RG has been open about why he bought us from day 1.

He used his own cash and didn’t put us in any debt at all.

Looking for problems that simply don’t exist. RG is doing fine by us and I have absolute faith he will continue to do so.

[SteveHFC]

https://twitter.com/jmcginn7/status/1384225464189820932?s=21

[04Sauzee]

Think the message of the last 24 hours, is be aware of American owners. I’m still scratching my head why Ron Gordon would buy us for football reasons, and nothing has changed this since he bought Hibs

I still wonder why Sir Tom sold to him, it’s not as if he was needing the money
Do you think Hibs, Dundee Utd, Aberdeen and Dunfermilne with their German investors may be planning something?

[Irish_Steve]

Not for me. Had the chance to confirm he’s completely against it yet keeps saying he needs to see the details first. Has a go at the fans for having a go at the club, has a go at Leeds about standing up to it. I’d wager a decent sized bet that Klopp would be in charge of Liverpool for the first game if it goes ahead.

Did you actually listen to what Klopp said. Before the interview with him, Sky read out a statement from 2019 where Klopp stated he was against any European Super League. The interviewer then asked him if his views had changed and he said no, I`m still against it.

I suggest you listen to it again

[BILLYHIBS]

Don't agree with that at all. Ron Gordon has been good for Hibs and by all accounts seems to genuinely care for the club and it's community from those that have met him.

Just because he is American (well Peruvian actually) let's not all start looking at him as some kind of threat to the club.
STF sold to Ron Gordon because he believed him to be genuine sincere and a safe pair of hands

I don’t think we have anything to worry about

[bigwheel]

STF sold to Ron Gordon because he believed him to be genuine sincere and a safe pair of hands

I don’t think we have anything to worry about

Didn’t he speak out against relegation quite early on in his ownership ?


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[BILLYHIBS]

Didn’t he speak out against relegation quite early on in his ownership ?


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Dunno but Hecky was in charge when he arrived

He now says our #1 priority is qualifying for Europe

[Pagan Hibernia]

What a mess this all is, and will be.

I didn’t think anything could top last summer and hearts valiant fight against injustice for entertainment value but this summer will be fun.

im going to stock up on the popcorn

[HibsGW]

Didn’t he speak out against relegation quite early on in his ownership ?


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Did he?

Ron’s seemed completely fine since he’s came in, taken a good interest in the roots of the club and community activity, nothing at all to suggest he’s going to be any sort of problem so far.

[WeeRussell]

Did he?

Ron’s seemed completely fine since he’s came in, taken a good interest in the roots of the club and community activity, nothing at all to suggest he’s going to be any sort of problem so far.

The only grievance raised on this thread against Ron so far that I’m aware of actually being true (and there is plenty I don’t know about him) is he’s American. Which is obviously a pathetic argument.

[HibsGW]

The only grievance raised on this thread against Ron so far that I’m aware of actually being true (and there is plenty I don’t know about him) is he’s American. Which is obviously a pathetic argument.

Exactly the way I see it.

[21.05.2016]

RG has been open about why he bought us from day 1.

He used his own cash and didn’t put us in any debt at all.

Looking for problems that simply don’t exist. RG is doing fine by us and I have absolute faith he will continue to do so.

I agree. We need to stop thinking of RG as a Romanov style owner who has walked into the club and wants to pour millions in to win us the league, CL etc etc.

He's ambitious and he wants to take the club to successful new levels but he made it clear from day 1 that this was going to be a gradual process, starting with helping the club be solid financially as a base to work off.

I like his style tbh. Look what Romanov did with Hearts for example, came in promising them the world, they had a relative bit of success but then it all came mightily crashing down on them and they were a bawhair away from losing the club altogether. RG seems like a sensible guy and not a Romanov like heid case and I have faith that STF sold to a man that would look after the club.


Back to the original topic - the Super League is sheer and utter greed and once again people at the top happy to **** on true fans for money. Shameful and its this shameless level of greed that is absolutely ripping the heart out of football. Clubs absolutely selling their soul. As someone mentioned in a comment above, the true fans might walk away because you're always going to pack out the stadiums with tourists etc. But is that really what they want?! Stadiums packed with tourists, watching the game behind their camera phones instead of a stadium of passionate, true supporters. Corporate cold if you ask me.

[Ozyhibby]

RG has been a good owner so far. No complaints from me. He certainly seems to care more about on field success.


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[hibbysam]

Did you actually listen to what Klopp said. Before the interview with him, Sky read out a statement from 2019 where Klopp stated he was against any European Super League. The interviewer then asked him if his views had changed and he said no, I`m still against it.

I suggest you listen to it again

He said he hasn’t seen all the details and only got told about it yesterday. He said he wants to see all the details and anyone having a go at his club should basically do one. Manages to turn it into an argument against UEFA, FIFA, Leeds, Neville. All he had to do was say ‘no I will not be taking part in such a league and have made that clear to the board of directors’ - he’s banging on about qualifying for the champions league when his club have already withdrawn from it 😂

[660]

Think the message of the last 24 hours, is be aware of American owners. I’m still scratching my head why Ron Gordon would buy us for football reasons, and nothing has changed this since he bought Hibs

I still wonder why Sir Tom sold to him, it’s not as if he was needing the money

Yeah I still haven’t heard a coherent reason for him buying Hibs. I don’t buy the “I have Scottish heritage and fancied buying a club” stuff.

I like Ron and he’s done well so far but a lower level version of this super league stuff would provide a concrete reason for getting involved with Hibs. It explains the increased American investment in football clubs generally, not just Hibs.

[Andy74]

The only grievance raised on this thread against Ron so far that I’m aware of actually being true (and there is plenty I don’t know about him) is he’s American. Which is obviously a pathetic argument.

He’s not even American.

[tamig]

The only grievance raised on this thread against Ron so far that I’m aware of actually being true (and there is plenty I don’t know about him) is he’s American. Which is obviously a pathetic argument.

Agreed. Tarring all with same star spangled brush. I’ve neither seen or heard anything from RG since he took over that suggests anything sinister is afoot. Quite the opposite in fact.

[ScottB]

It’s not even an NFL style model that they are proposing. Yes, there’s no relegation, but that’s where the similarities end really.

The NFL has tightly controlled budget / wage caps. Fixture lists are weighted depending on success, with the lowest performing teams also getting first pick of the draft talent the next year. The whole thing is setup to prevent any one team from dominating, with a fair chance that even the worst performing teams will eventually pick up enough quality draft picks to bounce back.

The ESL just seems to be a free for all for the 12 to continue spending without restraint. Their squads will get bigger and more highly paid, transfer fees will inevitably rise and so on. Even with the sort of revenue they seem to be imagining they’ll get, the sums still don’t seem to add up. Most of these clubs are already saddled with vast debts. I’m sure there will be the possibility for the likes of the Glazers to rip out more cash for themselves, but feels like the house of cards would still collapse, almost certainly if global interest falls short of expectations.

I’m actually surprised there isn’t some sort of budget / wage cap involved, unless there is and they haven’t announced it yet.

[tamig]

He’s not even American.

Aye, although he’s being lumped in as one of them. And that seems to be the latest concern from some on here questioning his motives for buying us. Mental.

[Paul1642]

Surprised UEFA haven’t threatened it yet but I would imagine there will be a ban on Super league teams sending out players on loan to the domestic leagues, and that Barca and Madrid will loose there B teams. Could be a very good thing.

[easty]

Wouldn’t be surprised if this is why Ron bought Hibs. Maybe he sees an Atlantic league as an inevitability if he heard this was in the pipeline and wanted in. Looks like these models generate money for owners in the US and he does have a background in broadcasting. Seems to make sense and answers a few questions about why he bought us in the first place.

These models only generate money where there’s demand. There’s a clear and obvious demand, there’s no doubt that people across the world would pay to watch the big teams. The Atlantic League idea is **** because nobody would care enough to watch it. Where’s the commercial interest? Hibs are a nothing team to almost everyone outside Scotland. Filling up a league with teams that nobody cares about isn’t a good financial plan.

[hibbysam]

These models only generate money where there’s demand. There’s a clear and obvious demand, there’s no doubt that people across the world would pay to watch the big teams. The Atlantic League idea is **** because nobody would care enough to watch it. Where’s the commercial interest? Hibs are a nothing team to almost everyone outside Scotland. Filling up a league with teams that nobody cares about isn’t a good financial plan.

And even then it’ll have a shelf life where folk lose interest rapidly. It’ll start off huge, but once reality sets in it’ll be no bigger than the current competitions.

[Renfrew_Hibby]

What an absolute tonic the Derry City documentary on BBC2 has been.

[007]

It’s not even an NFL style model that they are proposing. Yes, there’s no relegation, but that’s where the similarities end really.

The NFL has tightly controlled budget / wage caps. Fixture lists are weighted depending on success, with the lowest performing teams also getting first pick of the draft talent the next year. The whole thing is setup to prevent any one team from dominating, with a fair chance that even the worst performing teams will eventually pick up enough quality draft picks to bounce back.

The ESL just seems to be a free for all for the 12 to continue spending without restraint. Their squads will get bigger and more highly paid, transfer fees will inevitably rise and so on. Even with the sort of revenue they seem to be imagining they’ll get, the sums still don’t seem to add up. Most of these clubs are already saddled with vast debts. I’m sure there will be the possibility for the likes of the Glazers to rip out more cash for themselves, but feels like the house of cards would still collapse, almost certainly if global interest falls short of expectations.

I’m actually surprised there isn’t some sort of budget / wage cap involved, unless there is and they haven’t announced it yet.

That's one of the biggest concerns for me, the squad sizes. These teams already have big squads and if they get their wish of remaining in all the domestic competitions they'll need even bigger squads. The additional £300m they'll each get every year will mean they'll be able to afford even bigger squads and will therefore be weakening all the other teams. I'd like to see a cap on squad sizes too.

[Hector Mudflap]

Alright, bag of otters noses then. While I watch this thread unfold.
Im having otter nipple chips - if you get them while their hot they are lovely.


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[Glory Lurker]

Hibs are a nothing team to almost everyone outside Scotland.

Oi! Just because it's true doesn't make it okay to say it!!! :-)

[Ozyhibby]

These models only generate money where there’s demand. There’s a clear and obvious demand, there’s no doubt that people across the world would pay to watch the big teams. The Atlantic League idea is **** because nobody would care enough to watch it. Where’s the commercial interest? Hibs are a nothing team to almost everyone outside Scotland. Filling up a league with teams that nobody cares about isn’t a good financial plan.


And even then it’ll have a shelf life where folk lose interest rapidly. It’ll start off huge, but once reality sets in it’ll be no bigger than the current competitions.

The people in the countries concerned would watch it. The Atlantic league has some merit in allowing small countries to create big enough leagues with team of similar size. In the SPFL just now we have to accommodate 2 premiership size teams, 3 Championship size clubs, a couple of league 1-2 size clubs and the rest, non leagues size clubs all within the one top division.
One thing is clear though, it’s only going to happen if you take the governing associations with you.


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[WeeRussell]

He’s not even American.

👍 all the more ridiculous then.

I noticed that reading someone who else’s post afterwards. Decided my point pretty much stood the same though.

[hibbysam]

The people in the countries concerned would watch it. The Atlantic league has some merit in allowing small countries to create big enough leagues with team of similar size. In the SPFL just now we have to accommodate 2 premiership size teams, 3 Championship size clubs, a couple of league 1-2 size clubs and the rest, non leagues size clubs all within the one top division.
One thing is clear though, it’s only going to happen if you take the governing associations with you.


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They would watch it to begin with. When teams are struggling though absolutely no one is turning up to watch it or tuning in and watching it. It would need massively refreshed often.

[WeeRussell]

Have to say, now I’ve seen Klopp, feels like he shat out of saying the right thing to be honest.

[neil7908]

It’s not even an NFL style model that they are proposing. Yes, there’s no relegation, but that’s where the similarities end really.

The NFL has tightly controlled budget / wage caps. Fixture lists are weighted depending on success, with the lowest performing teams also getting first pick of the draft talent the next year. The whole thing is setup to prevent any one team from dominating, with a fair chance that even the worst performing teams will eventually pick up enough quality draft picks to bounce back.

The ESL just seems to be a free for all for the 12 to continue spending without restraint. Their squads will get bigger and more highly paid, transfer fees will inevitably rise and so on. Even with the sort of revenue they seem to be imagining they’ll get, the sums still don’t seem to add up. Most of these clubs are already saddled with vast debts. I’m sure there will be the possibility for the likes of the Glazers to rip out more cash for themselves, but feels like the house of cards would still collapse, almost certainly if global interest falls short of expectations.

I’m actually surprised there isn’t some sort of budget / wage cap involved, unless there is and they haven’t announced it yet.

Bang on. I don't like the American system and don't want to see it in football but this is actually worse for all the reasons you've mentioned. They have some pretty strict measures in the US that stop any one team dominating, and those have been pretty successful except for the Patriots recently (and that's only because of Tommy Brady).

[Ozyhibby]

They would watch it to begin with. When teams are struggling though absolutely no one is turning up to watch it or tuning in and watching it. It would need massively refreshed often.

People will watch this Euro super league even though nobody wants it.


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[hibbysam]

People will watch this Euro super league even though nobody wants it.


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To begin with, it’ll soon become very boring.

[fiolex1]

What an absolute tonic the Derry City documentary on BBC2 has been.

Aye, what football is all about. A good watch

[Ozyhibby]

To begin with, it’ll soon become very boring.

Most of the EPL is boring but it still sells out stadiums.


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[neil7908]

I'm firmly against this but some of stuff coming from commentators, UEFA and fans is hilarious.

This is Micah Richards on the BBC:

"From where Manchester City have come from, from Division Two [what is now League One] all the way to the Premier League and they earned that the right way through hard work, great support and not doing things the easy way and went all the way to winning the Premier League."

This is part of the problem. In what way did Man City earn their success? What they did was literally the easiest possible way. It was money and greed that bought them trophies. But people like him in the game turned a blind eye and keep enjoying the good times. Ditto the FA etc now getting upset when they've allowed all manner of people to own clubs. You reap what you sow.

[Andy74]

To begin with, it’ll soon become very boring.

For perspective though, this is all about replacing the Champions League, which is pretty boring in itself in terms of being very similar teams every year in latter stages.

The new proposals for that aren’t great either.

[Ozyhibby]

I'm firmly against this but some of stuff coming from commentators, UEFA and fans is hilarious.

This is Micah Richards on the BBC:

"From where Manchester City have come from, from Division Two [what is now League One] all the way to the Premier League and they earned that the right way through hard work, great support and not doing things the easy way and went all the way to winning the Premier League."

This is part of the problem. In what way did Man City earn their success? What they did was literally the easiest possible way. It was money and greed that bought them trophies. But people like him in the game turned a blind eye and keep enjoying the good times. Ditto the FA etc now getting upset when they've allowed all manner of people to own clubs. You reap what you sow.

Agree. Funny listening to them.


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[AugustaHibs]

Klopp has made a total arse of himself tonight.

[easty]

Klopp has made a total arse of himself tonight.

Standard for him.

[007]

It seems to me there will be a lot of meaningless games. The top 3 in each of the 2 leagues of 10 get through to the knockout phase and 4th playoff against 5th to get through. With no relegation then places 6th to 10th are meaningless. Would many tune in to watch teams battling it out for 9th place in the group.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Klopp has made a total arse of himself tonight.

Yeah lost it about what Neville said although he appears to agree with him.

Also - presumably Leeds put the T-shirt’s in their changing room to let the players show their support, whereas he’s taken it as some kind of insult.

[Andy74]

It seems to me there will be a lot of meaningless games. The top 3 in each of the 2 leagues of 10 get through to the knockout phase and 4th playoff against 5th to get through. With no relegation then places 6th to 10th are meaningless. Would many tune in to watch teams battling it out for 9th place in the group.

It is a cup competition though regardless of the name. Relegation is irrelevant. You play the games to try and get in the qualifying spots.

[hibbysam]

Klopp has made a total arse of himself tonight.

And has now said he’s going nowhere. Shocker.

[easty]

The people in the countries concerned would watch it. The Atlantic league has some merit in allowing small countries to create big enough leagues with team of similar size. In the SPFL just now we have to accommodate 2 premiership size teams, 3 Championship size clubs, a couple of league 1-2 size clubs and the rest, non leagues size clubs all within the one top division.
One thing is clear though, it’s only going to happen if you take the governing associations with you.


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Would people watch it? More people than watch their own clubs games already?

I watch Hibs games from our league, but I’m not particularly interested in watching Dundee Utd v Killie or any the rest of them playing each other. I’ll occasionally watch it, and I’ll check out the highlights, not arsed if I miss them though, and I don’t think I’m in the minority.

What the Atlantic Leagues doing is substituting in teams im not interested in watching from other leagues. Not a shred of appeal to me. At least in our own league I can jump on a train/bus to an away game. Easy to get to the national stadium for a cup final.

[Greencore]

https://twitter.com/SimpsonsSPFL/status/1384054743970971653?s=19

[Ozyhibby]

Would people watch it? More people than watch their own clubs games already?

I watch Hibs games from our league, but I’m not particularly interested in watching Dundee Utd v Killie or any the rest of them playing each other. I’ll occasionally watch it, and I’ll check out the highlights, not arsed if I miss them though, and I don’t think I’m in the minority.

What the Atlantic Leagues doing is substituting in teams im not interested in watching from other leagues. Not a shred of appeal to me. At least in our own league I can jump on a train/bus to an away game. Easy to get to the national stadium for a cup final.

Do you not watch other teams highlights on sportscene? Or goal highlights on Twitter, YouTube etc? I know I do. And that’s what sponsors want. So if suddenly people in Norway, Denmark, Sweden etc all start watching Hibs highlights then that is good for Hibs commercially.


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[Del Boy]

Did wonder how Klopp would react and have to say he’s been really disappointing. Turning on Gary Neville who has been the best of all on this was embarrassing. Was impressed with Milner though.

[hibbysam]

Did wonder how Klopp would react and have to say he’s been really disappointing. Turning on Gary Neville who has been the best of all on this was embarrassing. Was impressed with Milner though.

Indeed. And then his interview later has basically said the owners can do what they want, I don’t agree, but I’ll go with them anyway. I’m just disappointed Shreeves never put it straight to the players/manager ‘if this goes ahead, with your strong disagreement of it, and the resultant destruction it is going to cause to football, would you take part?’

[007]

It is a cup competition though regardless of the name. Relegation is irrelevant. You play the games to try and get in the qualifying spots.

The point I am making is that because places 6 to 10 don't gain or cost you anything in terms of qualifying for the next stage or relegation from the Super League there will be a lot of meaningless games.

In the Champions League teams have got through on 8 points so it is feasible you could lose your 1st 3 matches but still have a chance to get through so chances are the earliest you can definitely be out of contention is with just 2 matches left and even after that you try to get 3rd so you drop down into the Europa League. In the Super League format they will play 18 games in the group stage. There will be teams at the bottom, miles off 5th place halfway through and probably mathematically too far behind 5th with 5 or 6 games to go. All they'll be trying to do is move up to 8th or 9th to get a bit more prize money. I don’t know about you but I wouldn't be tuning in to watch the likes of Schalke v Arsenal to see which will be 9th and which 10th.

[Jim44]

Could see Klopp walking from Liverpool in the next few days.


Not sure about that. Just seen him interviewed before the Leeds game and he looked like a guy struggling to be diplomatic.


Klopp will be the Bayern manager next season.


He can't say that without resigning today. I think he will be gone before too long. Maybe to Bayern?

Gerrard might be getting a wee bit excited at this kind of talk.

[hibbysam]

Gerrard might be getting a wee bit excited at this kind of talk.

Klopp has said tonight he’s going nowhere. His interview on Sky basically backed that up.

[mcohibs]

Klopp has made a total arse of himself tonight.

He's a f4nny - thinks the world's against them when they get a pish result. Moaning at fans giving them a bit of stick outside the ground tonight. Poor soul. Conveniently silent on the Liverpool fans who smashed Madrid's bus to pieces last week

[660]

I just find this all depressing. I have a hibs season ticket and go to pretty much every away game and it’s just highlighted how I’m actually just a hibs fan and not a football fan.

The only non-hibs football I watch are international tournaments because they haven’t been destroyed by hypercapitalism.

You get people like Gary Neville whinging about greed and lack of competition when top level football has been a closed shop for decades. Why wasn’t he whinging when it was obvious about 20 years ago that rich clubs would keep getting richer, ruining the sense of competition at the top level. Why do you think Bayern have won the last 9 or 10 titles, Juve are at 9 titles, PSG are about the same, the same 8 clubs pretty much get to the quarter finals of the champions league every year. Even smaller leagues like Holland and Scotland are dominated by the same 2 or 3 clubs.

Liverpool and Man Utd fans and the likes of Neville and Micah ****ing Richards crying about the death of football is a joke. Inequality in football isn’t a new thing and bleating about the illusion of competiveness being taken away by the ESL just shows these people have no idea what’s at the root of the current issues in football.

[Willis1875]

Real Madrid president bleating on about how Madrid have lost €400 million due to covid.How much money to they continually ***** away on transfers and Bales wages?Isnt the Bernabeu going through a massive costly renovation.Disgusting

[Hibbyradge]

Im having otter nipple chips - if you get them while their hot they are lovely.


SPLITTERS

I prefer Wolf's nipple chips. Original and best. :wink:

I'm also partial to the occasional jaguar's earlobe.

[Stevie Reid]

Klopp too.

From the clips that I saw he was more passionate when having a few cheap digs at Gary Neville than he was in his comments about not being in favour of the super league - though to be fair he did say that on a few occasions.

The owners have put him in a horrible situation obviously, but it felt to me that he was trying to score some points with the Liverpool support by attacking Neville because he couldn’t say how he truly felt.

[ScottB]

Ultimately, if managers say they are against it, but manage in it, they aren’t against it.

It remains to be seen what players could do, they can’t just quit like managers can. Quite what clauses and conditions might be in their contracts in relation to breakaway / unsanctioned tournaments is probably something the media will get to in the days ahead...

[Del Boy]

Interesting few days/weeks ahead.... takes minds off covid if nothing else!!

[Baader]

Good article from Barney Ronay about it. This hasn't come from nowhere though. The Premier League and Champions League have created this culture of avarice. The proposals are disgraceful, arrogant, ridiculous and ultimately boring in equal measure. Hammer these clubs and get football back to reality (wishful thinking I know.)

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/apr/19/power-grab-in-a-pandemic-european-super-league-absence-of-fans-tv-income

[Hector Mudflap]

A new Super Dooper moon league is as relevant to me and the Champions league. We have zero chance of ever winning that and as little chance of winning our own domestic league. The whole thing is greed yes but it's no different from our own break away Premier or the EPL who's (the EPL) sole reason for being 30 years ago was to get more money for each of the breakaway teams from the massive TV deal that was available and the rights to control more of their own income.
Now we have a huge money deal from JP Morgan in the billions and the "new breakaway breakaway" clubs will pocket an even tidier sum. The real reason we see all these organisations coming out complaining about the "Integrity of the game" and the "corporate greed" are the same A-holes that were right behind it the last time when THEY were directly going to benefit from the TV money. None of the Associations are in on this deal and so now they cry foul! It's totally hypocrisy. They say they will ban players from their competitions who take part- I would love to see how that plays out because IMHO that will be a huge court battle that the associations will lose without a doubt.
The people who will benefit from day one are the players who will be asked to play in this new league so an extra twenty games a season. It's those same prima donna players who will be getting 200-500k a game and then lets see how many of them are against it. They will play and be rewarded and the team owners will be rewarded and the only way this won't happen is if the viewers don't pay to watch it. Going to these games will be even more expensive so corporate boxes and company season tickets will be the bulk of the physical "crowd". Some hard core well to do 'fans" will still turn up carrying their cashmere scarfs and instead of a program they will have copies of the Financial Times so they can shout about their Clubs share price rise!
The only way I see this not happening is if the people who subscribe to sports tv channels don't ! It's the Sky Sports people who fund the obcenity of the EPL. In Scotland we pay more Sky subscriptions than any other country (by head of population) and yet they give our league the near square root of naff all plus £50 quid two balloons and one stick for the cups rights ! This new league will marketed at the Indian, Asian and American markets where they will be fed a game like the American Superbowl with four quarters and adverts after adverts. Times extended on corners and throw-ins to furnish more adverts. The game as we know it will not be what's offered- maybe at first but it will change. Who really cares ? We all sat back and let Rangers and Celtic control our own domestic league for the money and we have been left with exactly what we deserve. That is- all scrambling for third and a few toffees or the occasional cup when the games don't go to plan. I heard an ex Liverpool player bemoaning it all on the radio this morning saying it's not all about the money but boy is it ever. Someone called in the radio station and said nobody is going to go and it will be stale with no relegation there is nothing to play for . Jeez- does anyone think that it matters? The team franchises don't care about selling away tickets - they care about the home game revenue from the TV deal and it's a bonus if any crackpot comes and pays to watch in the actual ground. The whole of football is stale and it's been caused by Sky and the greed of the associations over the years. How many teams have won the SPL over the last thirty years? How many teams have won the EPl over the last forty? Our own Spl breakaway was talked back into the fold (a bold new partnership) with the SFA only after they agreed TV money- Rangers and Celtics exclusive voting rights and the non redundancy of the directors and back office of the SPL. Why would anyone in Scotland give a flying bum kick for the new Super intergalactic Moon Breakaway breakaway league? Don't watch it - cancel your Sky Sports package - in fact all sky packages and spend the money going to the games or to any local junior team and watch the highlights of Hibs at night. We have an almost zero chance of winning anything while the game is dictated to by Sky. Look at the movie industry since the rise of Netflix. All the same actors and actresses all moaned about the damage and the "end of movies" and now these same people are queuing up to star in the next ten part made for TV Netflix special. (this year Netflix out subscribed Sky)
As fans of this great club and as fans of all the other league clubs in the country - for us nothing will change. If Celtic and Rangers get in somehow (you never know) they will earn even more and the team that plays on the Saturday at Peterhead in the cup will be their B team and still better than anything we can field. I have read that our league is one of the few where turnstile revenue accounts for more than 50% of the teams turnover so if that is right we still have power to get it all back but the problem is if we do - who's going to play in the league? Only old bit part players or younger ones released by the big clubs? We can't change anything without changing our own league set up first. The Glasgow Two will still generate huge incomes from massive crowds- who ONLY continue to come to watch winning sides. Remove their control and have a more competitive league and we will see a rise in attendance for all other clubs who's own win percentage then starts to rise. I firmly believe it's that simple.
Last point- Celtics average players salary this year 895,564 - absolute light years away from everyone else including Rangers. Now though the balance will be restored. The massive money Celtic made from their European adventures over the last ten years is obvious. All TV money from the Champions league rights- The Champions League even dictate what other non associated football is on in every country when the CL games are being played!! You could not make it up. Spoon fed by the big teams and the greed of the associations. Where does all that money come from? Us - all of it- if we didn't watch it they would have no product to sell.
Celtic have spent FOUR times more money on a set of disco lights than we have ever spent on a player.

The game is a bogey but we helped create the bogey it is.

[HibernianJK]

Ultimately, if managers say they are against it, but manage in it, they aren’t against it.

It remains to be seen what players could do, they can’t just quit like managers can. Quite what clauses and conditions might be in their contracts in relation to breakaway / unsanctioned tournaments is probably something the media will get to in the days ahead...

What can the players do? If any sizeable amount of players come out and say they are against this, and won’t partake in it. It will stop it dead, what do they have to lose? Can easily go and pick a 60/70k a week pay check up somewhere that doesn’t play in the Super League. Time for the players to grow some balls. These are working class people from working class backgrounds. Time they started acting like it.

[Crunchie]

I find it all a bit hypocritical of UEFA tbh, when they dicked around with the European Cup into it's present format all for money they should have seen it coming. Let them get on with it I say.

[Crunchie]

Did wonder how Klopp would react and have to say he’s been really disappointing. Turning on Gary Neville who has been the best of all on this was embarrassing. Was impressed with Milner though.
Gary Neville's comments calling it criminal and a joke were equally as embarrassing, this was always on the cards. I didn't see them complaining when he was playing in the champions league when the majority of clubs in the competition weren't champions.

[Since452]

I find it all a bit hypocritical of UEFA tbh, when they dicked around with the European Cup into it's present format all for money they should have seen it coming. Let them get on with it I say.

The "Champions League" is a farce. Four clubs from the top leagues go straight in. Basically a closed shop as it is. Soon as you had two teams from the same country contesting the final it became silly. Lost interest in it a long time ago. UEFA have created the monster so hell mend them.

[Crunchie]

The "Champions League" is a farce. Four clubs from the top leagues go straight in. Basically a closed shop as it is. Soon as you had two teams from the same country contesting the final it became silly. Lost interest in it a long time ago. UEFA have created the monster so hell mend them.
:top marks I can't remember anyone complaining either.

[Steve20]

The people saying it's a closed shop anyway in the Champions League just aren't getting it. Yeah the Champions League has too many clubs from the same country, but you have had different clubs at times (Atalanta, Leicester, Real Sociedad etc) over the past few years. That chance is being taking away from them.

And the EPL is finished if they allow the six to stay. Look at this season for example, Chelsea and Liverpool fighting to get into the top 4. In future seasons, there's no reason for them to give a damn as soon as they know they won't win the league. Cue 12-15 meaningless games every season for the "big 6" clubs that can't win the EPL because they know they're guaranteed their spot in this despicable tournament. And if they do finish 1st-6th, then are we saying 7th-10th placed sides get into the new Champions League?


If the EPL, Serie A and La Liga had any self respect or backbone, they'd do everything to get rid of these 12 disgusting franchises. I suspect though, they'll roll over and let them get away with this.


I've never been so thankful of Scottish Football being like it is over the past two seasons. Firstly, that we can't afford VAR which is ruining the English game anyway. And now we don't have to put up with things like this.

[Pagan Hibernia]

:top marks I can't remember anyone complaining either.

loads of supporters weren’t happy back in 1998 when they started to allow non-champions in

other supporters of smaller teams of course were delighted that they might now have a real chance of qualifying and competing against the the big names for the first time ever, can’t really blame people for that, and it’s that hope that will be snuffed out by this farce of a super league

[weecounty hibby]

loads of supporters weren’t happy back in 1998 when they started to allow non-champions in
Correct. I've hated the CL since it began to be honest. Was all because the supposed bigger clubs were often put out by clubs they felt were beneath them meaning they didn't make enough money. I cannot stand these clubs and have said so many times. Barcelona, Madrid, Manchester, Liverpool all trying to be the biggest team globally. Trying to prove how big they are by the number of Facebook followers or how much money their worth. **** them all. Spurs are a total joke. Not been champions for 60 years, elite?

[MWHIBBIES]

Gary Neville's comments calling it criminal and a joke were equally as embarrassing, this was always on the cards. I didn't see them complaining when he was playing in the champions league when the majority of clubs in the competition weren't champions.

That's because champions league is a marketing name, nothing to do with being champions. Would you actually prefer to watch the Latvian champions lose 8-0 to Barcelona than say, Atletico vs Inter Milan?

If you think the champions league, that everyone can qualify for, is the same as a closed shop super league, you are way off the mark.

[Andy74]

That's because champions league is a marketing name, nothing to do with being champions. Would you actually prefer to watch the Latvian champions lose 8-0 to Barcelona than say, Atletico vs Inter Milan?

If you think the champions league, that everyone can qualify for, is the same as a closed shop super league, you are way off the mark.

Well it came from the European cup - the point was that it was the Champions of each country.

That was changed to get more of the bigger teams in it and to keep them in it each year.

Do you realise you are making the same point as the Super League guys that you would rather see the so called bigger teams playing against each other more often that actually open it up to teams getting in there on merit?

[Ozyhibby]

Ultimately, if managers say they are against it, but manage in it, they aren’t against it.

It remains to be seen what players could do, they can’t just quit like managers can. Quite what clauses and conditions might be in their contracts in relation to breakaway / unsanctioned tournaments is probably something the media will get to in the days ahead...

Players will be able to get out of their contract.

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[Peevemor]

That's because champions league is a marketing name, nothing to do with being champions. Would you actually prefer to watch the Latvian champions lose 8-0 to Barcelona than say, Atletico vs Inter Milan?

If you think the champions league, that everyone can qualify for, is the same as a closed shop super league, you are way off the mark.

It's called the romance of the cup - exactly what's missing in the current Champions League setup.

The original CL format was fine in that, as with the European Cup, all the national champions went unseeded into the hat and they had to slug it out to get to the latter stages. Now it's all about the mega clubs looking after themselves.

It no longer interests me at all.

[MWHIBBIES]

Well it came from the European cup - the point was that it was the Champions of each country.

That was changed to get more of the bigger teams in it and to keep them in it each year.

Do you realise you are making the same point as the Super League guys that you would rather see the so called bigger teams playing against each other more often that actually open it up to teams getting in there on merit?

No, I'm not. I want to see 4 teams from the best leagues in it, not 1 and then a bunch of Eastern European sides who get trounced. It wouldn't be good. Its fine as it is, gives the genuine chance of a west ham or Leicester to get in.

It would be even more imbalanced if it was only league winners and it would only have 5/6 decent sides from 24 or 32. Look at what happens to Celtic vs a decent side like psg or barca. They lose 5 or 6.

[Yorkshire HFC]

No, I'm not. I want to see 4 teams from the best leagues in it, not 1 and then a bunch of Eastern European sides who get trounced. It wouldn't be good. Its fine as it is, gives the genuine chance of a west ham or Leicester to get in.

It would be even more imbalanced if it was only league winners and it would only have 5/6 decent sides from 24 or 32. Look at what happens to Celtic vs a decent side like psg or barca. They lose 5 or 6.


That's like saying there should be qualifying rounds for the Scottish Cup - and the PL sides get a bye into the last 16.

The point of football, sport, (life?) is that the little guy gets a shot against the big guy - and you know what, sometimes they win.

The Latvian champions might get beaten 8 - 0 by Barcelona - but that guy will have achieved playing against Messi - and that is great. It doesn't matter if it doesn't make a good tv show.

[MWHIBBIES]

That's like saying there should be qualifying rounds for the Scottish Cup - and the PL sides get a bye into the last 16.

The point of football, sport, (life?) is that the little guy gets a shot against the big guy - and you know what, sometimes they win.

The Latvian champions might get beaten 8 - 0 by Barcelona - but that guy will have achieved playing against Messi - and that is great. It doesn't matter if it doesn't make a good tv show.

No, its not. The scottish cup is and always has been open to all. The european cup isnt. Its the premier european competition and should have the best sides in it.

The little guy does get a shot. They don't qualify because they lose to other little guys.

Its a nostalgia thing for many who saw the European cup with only champions. It wasn't better.

[Peevemor]

No, its not. The scottish cup is and always has been open to all. The european cup isnt. Its the premier european competition and should have the best sides in it.

The little guy does get a shot. They don't qualify because they lose to other little guys.

Its a nostalgia thing for many who saw the European cup with only champions. It wasn't better.

That's your opinion.

In mine it was infinitely better then than now.

[MWHIBBIES]

That's your opinion.

In mine it was infinitely better then than now.

In what way?

[Yorkshire HFC]

No, its not. The scottish cup is and always has been open to all. The european cup isnt. Its the premier european competition and should have the best sides in it.

The little guy does get a shot. They don't qualify because they lose to other little guys.

Its a nostalgia thing for many who saw the European cup with only champions. It wasn't better.

And that's why when Scottish teams do qualify for Europe, they end up playing the 4th best team from Estonia or Finland - all the glamour is taken away. Why not have a chance of getting drawn against a 4th best team from Italy or Spain?

[Peevemor]

In what way?

As I posted before, it's the romance of the cup. I prefer everyone, unseeded, in the hat from the start. That way the (relative) minnows might get a draw against the big guns. There would also be shocks, where a plucky wee team takes a prime scalp over 2 legs. It also means that the mega clubs aren't guaranteed their additional millions every season.

I've seen loads of comments on here and elsewhere that a lot of people, like me, have lost interest in the CL.

I honestly believe that football has to get back to basic to get the majority of fans back onside.

[Pagan Hibernia]

The people saying it's a closed shop anyway in the Champions League just aren't getting it. Yeah the Champions League has too many clubs from the same country, but you have had different clubs at times (Atalanta, Leicester, Real Sociedad etc) over the past few years. That chance is being taking away from them.

And the EPL is finished if they allow the six to stay. Look at this season for example, Chelsea and Liverpool fighting to get into the top 4. In future seasons, there's no reason for them to give a damn as soon as they know they won't win the league. Cue 12-15 meaningless games every season for the "big 6" clubs that can't win the EPL because they know they're guaranteed their spot in this despicable tournament. And if they do finish 1st-6th, then are we saying 7th-10th placed sides get into the new Champions League?


If the EPL, Serie A and La Liga had any self respect or backbone, they'd do everything to get rid of these 12 disgusting franchises. I suspect though, they'll roll over and let them get away with this.


I've never been so thankful of Scottish Football being like it is over the past two seasons. Firstly, that we can't afford VAR which is ruining the English game anyway. And now we don't have to put up with things like this.

yet.

[Key West]

Let them go away to play in their super league leaving their respective domestic leagues and let the fans decide if they want to subscribe to channels that show the games.

[matty_f]

That's like saying there should be qualifying rounds for the Scottish Cup - and the PL sides get a bye into the last 16.

The point of football, sport, (life?) is that the little guy gets a shot against the big guy - and you know what, sometimes they win.

The Latvian champions might get beaten 8 - 0 by Barcelona - but that guy will have achieved playing against Messi - and that is great. It doesn't matter if it doesn't make a good tv show.

Top flight teams do get a bye on the Scottish Cup, we come in at round 3 or 4.

[Since90+2]

Let them go away to play in their super league leaving their respective domestic leagues and let the fans decide if they want to subscribe to channels that show the games.

The thing is they won't care if the genuine fans watch or not. As Gary Neville said if Man Utd sold the TV rights to anyone around the world at £2 a game they'd be making hundreds of millions every single game due to the amount of fans they have round the world.

The genuine fans from Manchester and surrounding areas are a tiny proportion of their worldwide fanbase so they are happy to basically cut them adrift for people in Beijing,Toyko and Texas who have never and will never set foot in Manchester.

[ScottB]

What can the players do? If any sizeable amount of players come out and say they are against this, and won’t partake in it. It will stop it dead, what do they have to lose? Can easily go and pick a 60/70k a week pay check up somewhere that doesn’t play in the Super League. Time for the players to grow some balls. These are working class people from working class backgrounds. Time they started acting like it.

If they’re under contract, it’s not like they can just up and leave. They can say that don’t like the idea, absolutely, but that’s about it. Can fit players just refuse to be picked without the club being able to do anything about it? I guess that’s also an option.

[Peevemor]

Top flight teams do get a bye on the Scottish Cup, we come in at round 3 or 4.

True, but again I preferred it when all the SFL clubs came in at round 3. The earlier rounds were effectively qualifiers for the regional and amateur leagues.

[Ozyhibby]

If they’re under contract, it’s not like they can just up and leave. They can say that don’t like the idea, absolutely, but that’s about it. Can fit players just refuse to be picked without the club being able to do anything about it? I guess that’s also an option.

By breaking Uefa rules and making them ineligible for international football, the clubs are breaking the contracts. Players would be entitled to leave under those circumstances.


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[weecounty hibby]

No, I'm not. I want to see 4 teams from the best leagues in it, not 1 and then a bunch of Eastern European sides who get trounced. It wouldn't be good. Its fine as it is, gives the genuine chance of a west ham or Leicester to get in.

It would be even more imbalanced if it was only league winners and it would only have 5/6 decent sides from 24 or 32. Look at what happens to Celtic vs a decent side like psg or barca. They lose 5 or 6.

Youbdo realise that two of those eatern European teams have won the trophy more times than Spurs, Man City,Arsenal? Steaua Bucharest and Red Star Belgrade. Why not make it a proper elite league and just invite past winners? You know the teams who were the elite, actually won their league and then went on to become the best in Europe? It has fyck all to do with sporting excellence and all about greedy *******s making more money after racking up billions of debt. I hope they go tips up, the owners lose billions and then the fans can get their clubs back.

[Bangkok Hibby]

As I posted before, it's the romance of the cup. I prefer everyone, unseeded, in the hat from the start. That way the (relative) minnows might get a draw against the big guns. There would also be shocks, where a plucky wee team takes a prime scalp over 2 legs. It also means that the mega clubs aren't guaranteed their additional millions every season.

I've seen loads of comments on here and elsewhere that a lot of people, like me, have lost interest in the CL.

I honestly believe that football has to get back to basic to get the majority of fans back onside.

I'm with you...European cup, cup winners cup, fairs cup. Those were the days.

[MWHIBBIES]

Youbdo realise that two of those eatern European teams have won the trophy more times than Spurs, Man City,Arsenal? Steaua Bucharest and Red Star Belgrade. Why not make it a proper elite league and just invite past winners? You know the teams who were the elite, actually won their league and then went on to become the best in Europe? It has fyck all to do with sporting excellence and all about greedy *******s making more money after racking up billions of debt. I hope they go tips up, the owners lose billions and then the fans can get their clubs back.

I do, yes. 30+ years ago. Liverpool have won it twice in the last 15 years without qualifying through being league winners. Surely that is an example of it offering a chance to an underdog and not just league winners?

These sides don't even do well in the Europa league never mind the champions league.

[weecounty hibby]

I do, yes. 30+ years ago. Liverpool have won it twice in the last 15 years without qualifying through being league winners. Surely that is an example of it offering a chance to an underdog and not just league winners?

These sides don't even do well in the Europa league never mind the champions league.
So bin them, don't let them compete? I see. Why not just have Barcelona v Man City 20 times a season then? It is all about greed, they don't give a **** about the "product". I have seen games with Hibs that were as enjoyable as some with these so called elite teams.

[Peevemor]

I do, yes. 30+ years ago. Liverpool have won it twice in the last 15 years without qualifying through being league winners. Surely that is an example of it offering a chance to an underdog and not just league winners?

These sides don't even do well in the Europa league never mind the champions league.

Underdogs maybe but hardly a major shock. Their average wage is £5.5m per year. That's our entire wage bill - players, coaches, admin, the lot.

[Stairway 2 7]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/2e8415cc-a141-11eb-b457-728758ee7665?shareToken=eae19bdf2e5ce487fb4c8faec9 156742

To be honest I thought it all could be a bargaining chip for a new champs league. But this times article refutes that, 23 year contracts already signed by all clubs

[Bristolhibby]

That's like saying there should be qualifying rounds for the Scottish Cup - and the PL sides get a bye into the last 16.

The point of football, sport, (life?) is that the little guy gets a shot against the big guy - and you know what, sometimes they win.

The Latvian champions might get beaten 8 - 0 by Barcelona - but that guy will have achieved playing against Messi - and that is great. It doesn't matter if it doesn't make a good tv show.

We do that in the League Cup.

European qualified teams miss the early groups. Bye straight into the knockouts.

Before then it was seeded in the early round.

But at least it’s a competition to get those byes.

Having the “founding 12” is a joke.

J

[Antifa Hibs]

I do, yes. 30+ years ago. Liverpool have won it twice in the last 15 years without qualifying through being league winners. Surely that is an example of it offering a chance to an underdog and not just league winners?

These sides don't even do well in the Europa league never mind the champions league.

Why have these clubs not done so well compared to the English, Spanish and German's? Maybe all commercial revenue should be put in one big European fitba pot and split evenly amongst all countries on a pro-rata basis? After-all Gary Neville, Uefa and Sky Sports are all about fair competition aren't they :cb :rotflmao:


I still find the outrage at this laughable. We are in an age where a finger nail can make you offside after 10 minutes of delays from reviewing footage, football clubs listed on the stock exchange, football clubs selling tickets direct to rich foreign "fans" directly by-passing locals, clubs taking friendlies all over the world, billions and billions being transferred for TV rights and sponsorship deals, players being paid £250k a week, hospitality boxes costing a hundred grand, the list is endless. Yet people are surprised something like this is happening. The most ironic thing aswell is its Sky Sports and their employees leading the way to "save football" despite them having *****d football more than everyone else has combined! Couldn't make it up.

Hope it happens. Hope the EPL suffers. Hope the CL suffers. Hope Sky & BT suffer. **** them all :cool2:

[Peevemor]

We do that in the League Cup.

European qualified teams miss the early groups. Bye straight into the knockouts.

Before then it was seeded in the early round.

But at least it’s a competition to get those byes.

Having the “founding 12” is a joke.

J

They seem to change the format of the league cup every 5 minutes.

[Bristolhibby]

Neville made a good point last night.

It’s all about the mobiles, selllibg a product to 150m people world wide at a pound a game, consume it on your phone.

Man U et al, trouser £150m every second week.

Then want to rock up in the Premiership. Joke!

J

[Antifa Hibs]

Neville made a good point last night.

It’s all about the mobiles, selllibg a product to 150m people world wide at a pound a game, consume it on your phone.

Man U et al, trouser £150m every second week.

Then want to rock up in the Premiership. Joke!

J

How we consume are media will rapidly change. Sky Sports models are outdated for the younger generation. They don't want to commit and pay a fortune for stuff they don't use, ie £30 for Sky Sports a month which is good value if you watch football, golf, F1 and whatever else they show. Not so good value if you're 20 year old and want to watch City twice a month.

Matchroom boxing's deal is up with Sky Sports soon and there is every chance Eddie Hearn could go with the streaming platform DAZN. If that's the case I don't think boxing will be the last sport to broadcast via streaming.

[Crunchie]

That's because champions league is a marketing name, nothing to do with being champions. Would you actually prefer to watch the Latvian champions lose 8-0 to Barcelona than say, Atletico vs Inter Milan?

If you think the champions league, that everyone can qualify for, is the same as a closed shop super league, you are way off the mark.
The European Cup pitted the champions of each country, it gave the minnows a chance over 2 legs to take on the big boys, the tournament was about any cup competition, the luck of the draw. I think you're the one way off the mark and it's not about what I or anyone else wants to watch, you're obviously in agreement with the big boys and a closed shop because that's where it was always going from day 1.

[MWHIBBIES]

So bin them, don't let them compete? I see. Why not just have Barcelona v Man City 20 times a season then? It is all about greed, they don't give a **** about the "product". I have seen games with Hibs that were as enjoyable as some with these so called elite teams.

No, they do get to compete, and if they keep improving etc, they get to compete at a higher level every year. It might be about greed but its the headline tournament, it should be the best sides.

In the world cup, do you watch when Morocco play South Korea? Or do you watch Brazil vs France? Thats a good example of everyone getting a chance to be in it, and some of the games are absolutely awful.

[HibsGW]

That's like saying there should be qualifying rounds for the Scottish Cup - and the PL sides get a bye into the last 16.

The point of football, sport, (life?) is that the little guy gets a shot against the big guy - and you know what, sometimes they win.

The Latvian champions might get beaten 8 - 0 by Barcelona - but that guy will have achieved playing against Messi - and that is great. It doesn't matter if it doesn't make a good tv show.

Agree, and also, not to bring them up, but Celtic, champions of plukey wee Scotland, beat Barcelona in the Champions League not so long ago.

[MWHIBBIES]

The European Cup pitted the champions of each country, it gave the minnows a chance over 2 legs to take on the big boys, the tournament was about any cup competition, the luck of the draw. I think you're the one way off the mark and it's not about what I or anyone else wants to watch, you're obviously in agreement with the big boys and a closed shop because that's where it was always going from day 1.

I'm quite clearly not because I've said multiple times I'm not. How did you get obvious from that?

Even the ones who turned down the super league, like Bayern and Dortmund, are in favour of the CL as it is.

Would you genuinely prefer to watch latvian champions vs gibraltar champions or Dortmund vs Spurs? Seriously? How many qualifying rounds do you currently watch with these sides in it?

[MWHIBBIES]

Agree, and also, not to bring them up, but Celtic, champions of plukey wee Scotland, beat Barcelona in the Champions League not so long ago.

Theyve lost 7-0 and 6-1 since then.

[HibsGW]

Theyve lost 7-0 and 6-1 since then.

They have, doesn’t change that they beat them recently though. That type of argument edges towards super league stuff. Aston Villa usually get beat by Liverpool. They beat them this season scoring 7 goals. Do Aston Villa not even deserve the chance to play the big guns because they usually lose to them?

[Crunchie]

I'm quite clearly not because I've said multiple times I'm not. How did you get obvious from that?

Even the ones who turned down the super league, like Bayern and Dortmund, are in favour of the CL as it is.

Would you genuinely prefer to watch latvian champions vs gibraltar champions or Dortmund vs Spurs? Seriously? How many qualifying rounds do you currently watch with these sides in it?
You obviously don't get it, it's not about what you or I want to watch, it's about fairness of competition. Your argument is all about making money.

I don't watch any of the champions league it interests me not one jot, nor the europa league.

[Dalianwanda]

No, they do get to compete, and if they keep improving etc, they get to compete at a higher level every year. It might be about greed but its the headline tournament, it should be the best sides.

In the world cup, do you watch when Morocco play South Korea? Or do you watch Brazil vs France? Thats a good example of everyone getting a chance to be in it, and some of the games are absolutely awful.

They arent awful if you come from Morocco or South Korea...Probably the most exciting event of the year for them.

[Wilson]

They arent awful if you come from Morocco or South Korea...Probably the most exciting event of the year for them.

Plus some of the awful games are the big names you are looking forward to seeing - not always the minnows.

[Since452]

The EPL, UEFA and SKY are all complicit. They've flung money at, and pandered to clubs for too long to the point where x ammount of billions isn't enough anymore. It's not the game I know and love and hasn't been for a long long time. The Champions League and EPL aren't for me. Give me backwater, pub league Scottish football any day of the week over that circus.

[calumhibee1]

The EPL, UEFA and SKY are all complicit. They've flung money at, and pandered to clubs for too long to the point where x ammount of billions isn't enough anymore. It's not the game I know and love and hasn't been for a long long time. The Champions League and EPL aren't for me. Give me backwater, pub league Scottish football any day of the week over that circus.

:agree:

Couldn’t agree more with this.

[MWHIBBIES]

You obviously don't get it, it's not about what you or I want to watch, it's about fairness of competition. You're argument is all about making money.

I don't watch any of the champions league it interests me not one jot, nor the europa league.I can fully understand and get something and still disagree with it you know. I just think the champions league is well suited with the best sides being in it.


They arent awful if you come from Morocco or South Korea...Probably the most exciting event of the year for them.No doubt. Same as its great for Liverpool to win the CL without winning the league. That makes more people happy than the best Latvian side losing to the best Croatian side.


They have, doesn’t change that they beat them recently though. That type of argument edges towards super league stuff. Aston Villa usually get beat by Liverpool. They beat them this season scoring 7 goals. Do Aston Villa not even deserve the chance to play the big guns because they usually lose to them?

No. Villa have earned the chance to play them. Same as Celtic did Barcelona.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/skysportsnews/status/1384437839451070464?s=21

Without FIFA on board I think this is dead in the water.


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[HibernianJK]

If they’re under contract, it’s not like they can just up and leave. They can say that don’t like the idea, absolutely, but that’s about it. Can fit players just refuse to be picked without the club being able to do anything about it? I guess that’s also an option.

Absolutely they can. It’s drastic, the club may fine them, but it’s what’s needed.

[Greenio]

Well it came from the European cup - the point was that it was the Champions of each country.

That was changed to get more of the bigger teams in it and to keep them in it each year.

Do you realise you are making the same point as the Super League guys that you would rather see the so called bigger teams playing against each other more often that actually open it up to teams getting in there on merit?

Difference is CL is an open tournament - this is closed doors.

I get that not everyone wanted/wants the CL, but I cant understand any real fan wanting this new SL. Given how elitist the whole thing is

[Greenio]

The thing is they won't care if the genuine fans watch or not. As Gary Neville said if Man Utd sold the TV rights to anyone around the world at £2 a game they'd be making hundreds of millions every single game due to the amount of fans they have round the world.

The genuine fans from Manchester and surrounding areas are a tiny proportion of their worldwide fanbase so they are happy to basically cut them adrift for people in Beijing,Toyko and Texas who have never and will never set foot in Manchester.

Do you have to live in Manchester to be a 'genuine fan'? Not sure that holds right in today's global world.

[Caversham Green]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/2e8415cc-a141-11eb-b457-728758ee7665?shareToken=eae19bdf2e5ce487fb4c8faec9 156742

To be honest I thought it all could be a bargaining chip for a new champs league. But this times article refutes that, 23 year contracts already signed by all clubs

As an indication of how things can change in that timescale, 23 years ago Manchester City were in the process of being relegated to English football's third tier. Meanwhile clubs like Blackburn, Coventry and Wimbledon were in the top flight.

[Andy74]

Difference is CL is an open tournament - this is closed doors.

I get that not everyone wanted/wants the CL, but I cant understand any real fan wanting this new SL. Given how elitist the whole thing is

I think an additional 5 teams a year are to be invited based on league positions?

[Dalianwanda]

No doubt. Same as its great for Liverpool to win the CL without winning the league. That makes more people happy than the best Latvian side losing to the best Croatian side.
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Bringing it back to numbers. They joy felt by the individual is similar (maybe more to those who aren’t used to it. By that reckoning Hibs have no business having any aspirations because our fan base isn’t as large as others.

[weecounty hibby]

I think an additional 5 teams a year are to be invited based on league positions?
Invited being the operative word. So the elite, spurs😂, teams get to choose who they'll let play in their rigged game. **** them

[Since90+2]

Do you have to live in Manchester to be a 'genuine fan'? Not sure that holds right in today's global world.

Well if you don't live in Manchester, or have family ties from there,why are you not supporting your local team? The reason these clubs have got so powerful is because people follow them rather than their local club.

[Sergio sledge]

The EPL, UEFA and SKY are all complicit. They've flung money at, and pandered to clubs for too long to the point where x ammount of billions isn't enough anymore. It's not the game I know and love and hasn't been for a long long time. The Champions League and EPL aren't for me. Give me backwater, pub league Scottish football any day of the week over that circus.This is a really good article, unfortunately behind a paywall: https://theathletic.com/2528673/2021/04/20/bielsas-leeds-are-what-competitive-football-wants-teams-to-be-resurgent-surprising-and-refreshing?source=user-shared-article

"If nothing else, the weekend just gone has drawn the clearest of lines in the sand between those who like to limit the jeopardy in football and those who like the thrill of the chase.

There is no middle ground here.

You either live for a team like Bielsa’s turning over Manchester City with a man less and just over 20 per cent of the possession or you prefer the carve-up of billions through an invitational model. You either accept the lows which accentuate the highs or you choose a life without either. If you love the sport, you can learn to love 16 years of toil outside the Premier League — because there is barely a single Leeds supporter who would deny that these three years of Bielsa made that long, grim trek worthwhile. The misery of the journey helped make the Bielsa story what it is."

Bielsa also spoke well after the game:

“This should not surprise any of us,” Bielsa said, when pressed on the Super League later. “I think there are structures which should limit the excesses of the big teams. The (authorities) could have anticipated these excesses and avoided them. What happened was inevitable. It happens in all walks of life.

“Some teams are bigger than others but they should be conscious of the fact that we need each other. The real owners of clubs are the ones who love the badge. Without them, football will disappear. This is going to generate a huge polemic. Let’s see who talks up in defence of the fans. Any decision which attacks these people is staking the future (of the game).”

Sadly the horse has already bolted so UEFA, FIFA, SkySports etc. are going to struggle to shut the barn door. They could have stopped this years ago but by relentlessly pursuing money over everything else they have created this monster and there's no way back now IMHO.

The only way this could be headed off is by going nuclear and expelling the club's from all local leagues and banning players from international competitions, but that's never going to happen, FIFA don't want a world cup without Messi, Ronaldo, etc. Sadly the reality is that these 12 clubs could probably accept being banned from their national FA's because of the amount of money they are going to make from this league and the fans will still go to games, maybe not the local die hards, but that's not who the owners care about anyway.

What is likely to happen is that the champions League is reformed again to some sort of compromise where certain clubs are guaranteed qualification every season but there's more opportunity for others to qualify and those guaranteed clubs are given a bigger slice of the money. The club's get their money, UEFA gets its flagship competition which is still "open to all" and the fans will be expected to be grateful for what we are getting.

I fell in love with football watching the champions League in the mid 90s, the era of watching players like del piero, kluivert, Davids, ravanelli, etc. Despite being a bit of a Juventus fan I felt a bit happy seeing Dortmund winning in 1997 as it felt like a proper underdog story at the time.

Even the addition of runners up in 1997 felt like a great thing when you saw Newcastle United beating Barcelona (Figo and Rivaldo) with a hat trick from Tino Asprilla. Unfortunately that was the start of the rot, more and more clubs were added to ensure the biggest clubs qualified every year and leading ultimately to where we are now.

[makaveli1875]

The richest billionaires in the billionaires boys club have ****ed off to join the trillionaires boys club . the rest of the billionaires dont seem too pleased . it will ruin the game if its all about the money they cry from their ivory towers

[EI255]

I don't get it. The Champions League hadn't become dull because of any Ukrainian or Greek teams involvements, its just a dated tournament. So I wonder how they think this new model will be any better, especially if its a closed shop.

How dull.

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[Caversham Green]

I think an additional 5 teams a year are to be invited based on league positions?

I think this is a weakness in the plan that could be attacked by UEFA and the national leagues. Any club participating in the ESL would be deemed to have left their national association and would have to apply for reinstatement at the lowest level. How many clubs would accept an invitation under those terms?

[Andy74]

I think this is a weakness in the plan that could be attacked by UEFA and the national leagues. Any club participating in the ESL would be deemed to have left their national association and would have to apply for reinstatement at the lowest level. How many clubs would accept an invitation under those terms?

Only if the associations are going to chuck them all out.

In the plans the clubs aren't leaving anything domestically - they are just going to be joining up for this league rather than the Champions League.

[Since90+2]

Only if the associations are going to chuck them all out.

In the plans the clubs aren't leaving anything domestically - they are just going to be joining up for this league rather than the Champions League.

But they are guaranteed to be in this league every single season regardless of performance. That is the whole point of this.

Spurs could finish 10th and still be in the biggest revenue generating tournament in the world whilst the team who finishes 6th won't be. That is not what football is supposed to be about.

[Pagan Hibernia]

This is a really good article, unfortunately behind a paywall: https://theathletic.com/2528673/2021/04/20/bielsas-leeds-are-what-competitive-football-wants-teams-to-be-resurgent-surprising-and-refreshing?source=user-shared-article

"If nothing else, the weekend just gone has drawn the clearest of lines in the sand between those who like to limit the jeopardy in football and those who like the thrill of the chase.

There is no middle ground here.

You either live for a team like Bielsa’s turning over Manchester City with a man less and just over 20 per cent of the possession or you prefer the carve-up of billions through an invitational model. You either accept the lows which accentuate the highs or you choose a life without either. If you love the sport, you can learn to love 16 years of toil outside the Premier League — because there is barely a single Leeds supporter who would deny that these three years of Bielsa made that long, grim trek worthwhile. The misery of the journey helped make the Bielsa story what it is."

Bielsa also spoke well after the game:

“This should not surprise any of us,” Bielsa said, when pressed on the Super League later. “I think there are structures which should limit the excesses of the big teams. The (authorities) could have anticipated these excesses and avoided them. What happened was inevitable. It happens in all walks of life.

“Some teams are bigger than others but they should be conscious of the fact that we need each other. The real owners of clubs are the ones who love the badge. Without them, football will disappear. This is going to generate a huge polemic. Let’s see who talks up in defence of the fans. Any decision which attacks these people is staking the future (of the game).”

Sadly the horse has already bolted so UEFA, FIFA, SkySports etc. are going to struggle to shut the barn door. They could have stopped this years ago but by relentlessly pursuing money over everything else they have created this monster and there's no way back now IMHO.

The only way this could be headed off is by going nuclear and expelling the club's from all local leagues and banning players from international competitions, but that's never going to happen, FIFA don't want a world cup without Messi, Ronaldo, etc. Sadly the reality is that these 12 clubs could probably accept being banned from their national FA's because of the amount of money they are going to make from this league and the fans will still go to games, maybe not the local die hards, but that's not who the owners care about anyway.

What is likely to happen is that the champions League is reformed again to some sort of compromise where certain clubs are guaranteed qualification every season but there's more opportunity for others to qualify and those guaranteed clubs are given a bigger slice of the money. The club's get their money, UEFA gets its flagship competition which is still "open to all" and the fans will be expected to be grateful for what we are getting.

I fell in love with football watching the champions League in the mid 90s, the era of watching players like del piero, kluivert, Davids, ravanelli, etc. Despite being a bit of a Juventus fan I felt a bit happy seeing Dortmund winning in 1997 as it felt like a proper underdog story at the time.

Even the addition of runners up in 1997 felt like a great thing when you saw Newcastle United beating Barcelona (Figo and Rivaldo) with a hat trick from Tino Asprilla. Unfortunately that was the start of the rot, more and more clubs were added to ensure the biggest clubs qualified every year and leading ultimately to where we are now.

good article.

one of my favourite CL seasons was 94/95 when Van Gael’s incredible young Ajax team (average age early 20s, almost all raised through their academy) went all the way. Even beating a seemingly invincible AC Milan in the final. I was 12 years old and it seemed impossibly romantic.

it was only within a few years that the competition was almost unrecognisable

[Caversham Green]

Only if the associations are going to chuck them all out.

In the plans the clubs aren't leaving anything domestically - they are just going to be joining up for this league rather than the Champions League.

The clubs don't want to leave but there has been talk of the associations chucking them out anyway. I agree it would have to include all participants including the as yet unnamed founder members. As an aside, why haven't the mystery three shown their hand yet?

[Pagan Hibernia]

I don't get it. The Champions League hadn't become dull because of any Ukrainian or Greek teams involvements, its just a dated tournament. So I wonder how they think this new model will be any better, especially if its a closed shop.

How dull.

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the same 15 or 20 teams playing each other every Wednesday for eternity.

footballing hell.

[Ozyhibby]

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[Andy74]

But they are guaranteed to be in this league every single season regardless of performance. That is the whole point of this.

Spurs could finish 10th and still be in the biggest revenue generating tournament in the world whilst the team who finishes 6th won't be. That is not what football is supposed to be about.

I'm not really arguing for it - just seeing I guess what the clubs are thinking here.

Football can still be about that in the domestic leagues. What this proposal is challenging really is whether there is still any relevance in the Champions League. The 'big' clubs all appear to be saying that no, they don't think it will be relevant in future and there would prefer to take European football in a different direction.

The UEFA proposals from 2024 are going some way toward this themselves in allocating places based on previous performance. A team finishing lower in the league could still qualify ahead of a team higher placed. The allocation of CL places, the qualifying criteria and the outlet to the Europa League have all been geared towards helping the same teams to stay in the tournaments year after year anyway.

Once you get away from the European Cup being an open tournament for the league winners you are then into different degrees of fixing it's make up.

The Real Madrid President is one of those saying the concept of the Champions League is dead. After that, clubs are entitled to set up whatever they want to play whoever they want - but they need to then see the consequences from the other associations they have already joined. That will be the crux of where it goes from here.

The EPL was itself a breakaway, the Champions League was a big deviation away from what it was. This sort of thing has been coming.

Looking at it from the construct of purely the teams being rewarded on the park with a place in a higher level tournament this seems wrong but who says that construct is still the right way to look at football at European level in the future? These teams clearly see that something needed to change for them.

I suspect that the nuclear option of chucking teams out of associations won't work for anyone and that a breakaway of some sort will happen with financial support being handed back down - or UEFA have to make changes to their proposals to get closer to the Super League construct.

[H18 SFR]

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Arsenal, it has to be Arsenal having second thoughts!

[AugustaHibs]

Arsenal, it has to be Arsenal having second thoughts!

Chelsea or city. There’s no way Stan kroenke is against it now, he’s a parasite and doesn’t give a **** about the club

[Pagan Hibernia]

Chelsea or city. There’s no way Stan kroenke is against it now, he’s a parasite and doesn’t give a **** about the club

and you think city’s owners have a conscience?

[AugustaHibs]

and you think city’s owners have a conscience?

They don’t need the money. They’ve also built city with public perception in mind.

Added to the fact it’s well known that Chelsea and city were already initially hesitant and only signed up last minute after being worried about being left behind

[AliboyFC]

Chelsea or city. There’s no way Stan kroenke is against it now, he’s a parasite and doesn’t give a **** about the club

Aye i was thinking city tbh.

[AugustaHibs]

Aye i was thinking city tbh.

Yup. Chelsea have zero debt and city’s is next to nothing too. They aren’t desperate for the cash

[MWHIBBIES]

Arsenal, it has to be Arsenal having second thoughts!

Na. Stan Kronke is tight with Perez. They are two of the leaders in the group.

[Ozyhibby]

https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2021/apr/20/chelsea-and-manchester-city-have-super-league-doubts-says-executive?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium=&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true


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[Just_Jimmy]

Well if you don't live in Manchester, or have family ties from there,why are you not supporting your local team? The reason these clubs have got so powerful is because people follow them rather than their local club.I live in Manchester and I watch United live when I can, most of my mates down here support United and a few city, I've been to both regularly and I enjoy it.

However when anyone asks me who I support the answer is always and will always be Hibs.



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[jacomo]

I don't get it. The Champions League hadn't become dull because of any Ukrainian or Greek teams involvements, its just a dated tournament. So I wonder how they think this new model will be any better, especially if its a closed shop.

How dull.

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Imo it’s dull because UEFA got greedy and bowed to pressure from the same ****bag clubs who now want to break away.

I’d love to see a return to the old European Cup format - home and away knock out tournament. Open to winners of national league competitions only.

[theonlywayisup]

Think about it, Nottingham Forrest have won the European Cup twice. That is more than Chelsea, Man City, Tottenham and Arsenal combined...

Nottingham Forest FC 💙 on Twitter: "Football belongs to everybody. Brian Howard Clough. Double European Cup winner. 🔴🌳 #NFFC https://t.co/SwI4bDIvYr" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/NFFC/status/1384431888727740420?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1384431888727740420%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fsport%2Flive %2Ffootball%2F56812305)