Stranraer Cup Tie

[andrew70]

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[andrew70]

Lacking respect?

We’ve got a bench with multiple international players. We’ll be planning for 3 games in 6 days and that means rotation. Cadden and Magennis in particular need games and will be raring to go. It also makes sense IMO to keep Boyle in particular, fresh and fit for Wednesday.

I’d be very surprised if we didn’t make 3 changes or more. We’ll win this comfortably.

It just sends out the wrong message for me.

Fingers crossed you are right mate. As you say 3 games in 6 days.

[Ringothedog]

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[BoomtownHibees]

We’ve got a bench with multiple international players.

Who are these guys?

Full team to start for me and then change when game won. Prem league teams have struggled a bit to overcome lower league opposition so far and I wouldn’t take any chances

[MWHIBBIES]

Should be rotating a bit, last real chance to do so this season. Giving players 20 minutes when the game is over is totally pointless.

[Eyrie]

I think on balance we need to play our strongest team tomorrow, despite having Livingston on Wednesday.

We've got one shot at getting through to the next round of the Cup, and as seen with Motherwell yesterday or Brora a few weeks ago, lower league teams can be awkward opponents so I'd rather not take any chances.

On the other hand we've still got four games left in the league to get the necessary points to secure third, and that's assuming Aberdeen (who still have to face Celtc and Sevco) don't drop any, so we have more leeway there.

[FilipinoHibs]

Strongest team - take no chances. Subs if we are winning comfortably. Good that it is a grass pitch.

[PatHead]

I think on balance we need to play our strongest team tomorrow, despite having Livingston on Wednesday.

We've got one shot at getting through to the next round of the Cup, and as seen with Motherwell yesterday or Brora a few weeks ago, lower league teams can be awkward opponents so I'd rather not take any chances.

On the other hand we've still got four games left in the league to get the necessary points to secure third, and that's assuming Aberdeen (who still have to face Celtc and Sevco) don't drop any, so we have more leeway there.

No guarantee that Celtic or Sevco will win the cup though. Finishing 3rd might not be enough to get to Europe until Christmas.
The best way is to win the cup. Best team required to do that.

[Hibbyradge]

I think he'll drop Gogic for Cadden and go with 4 or 5 at the back.

[Wilson]

No guarantee that Celtic or Sevco will win the cup though. Finishing 3rd might not be enough to get to Europe until Christmas.
The best way is to win the cup. Best team required to do that.

No guarantee that we'll win the cup so we can't take our eye of third. Folk would want our strongest team out against Aberdeen in the league or in a cup final so we should utilise the squad where we can. That's why we have it.

We're not talking about playing the kids. It is no disrespect to Stranraer if we start Cadden, as suggested, or Halberg or the likes.

[PatHead]

No guarantee that we'll win the cup so we can't take our eye of third. Folk would want our strongest team out against Aberdeen in the league or in a cup final so we should utilise the squad where we can. That's why we have it.

We're not talking about playing the kids. It is no disrespect to Stranraer if we start Cadden, as suggested, or Halberg or the likes.

What we don't want is wholesale changes though. We have to keep the team as strong as possible.

[Tyler Durden]

Who are these guys?

Full team to start for me and then change when game won. Prem league teams have struggled a bit to overcome lower league opposition so far and I wouldn’t take any chances

Stevenson and Cadden are full internationals. Magennis in the 21s.

My point was it’s hardly disrespectful to rotate our squad. That’s what it’s there for. These players plus the likes of Hallberg and McGregor would walk into most teams in the top league.

[jacomo]

Lacking respect?

We’ve got a bench with multiple international players. We’ll be planning for 3 games in 6 days and that means rotation. Cadden and Magennis in particular need games and will be raring to go. It also makes sense IMO to keep Boyle in particular, fresh and fit for Wednesday.

I’d be very surprised if we didn’t make 3 changes or more. We’ll win this comfortably.


If you make 4 or 5 changes as you advocated you run the risk of disrupting the team and getting a nasty shock. Too risky.

1 or 2 fine, with the hope that we can take key players off early if we are looking comfortable. But let’s not peel the banana ourselves.

[Iain G]

If you make 4 or 5 changes as you advocated you run the risk of disrupting the team and getting a nasty shock. Too risky.

1 or 2 fine, with the hope that we can take key players off early if we are looking comfortable. But let’s not peel the banana ourselves.

Good chance for 2 or 3 changes: start Cadden and Daz and maybe Magennis?

[Hibbyradge]

Good chance for 2 or 3 changes: start Cadden and Da and maybe Magennis?

Get the game win, then rest players and experiment.

I want our strongest team to start although I think he'll drop Gogic, but any more changes than that would be reckless, imo.

[blackpoolhibs]

Get the game win, then rest players and experiment.

I want our strongest team to start although I think he'll drop Gogic, but any more changes than that would be reckless, imo.

I think Gogic should be the first name on the team sheet every week, although it would be nice to give him a rest. :greengrin

I know we really shouldnt need him tomorrow, but he does do a terrific job winning the ball back for us. :top marks

[danhibees1875]

Not had to ask this for a while... does anyone know if there will be radio coverage of the game?

[Billy Whizz]

Not had to ask this for a while... does anyone know if there will be radio coverage of the game?

It will be online or on medium wave

[danhibees1875]

It will be online or on medium wave

Thanks. :aok:

[DH1875]

It will be online or on medium wave

Off the ball is on at 12 on FM and MW, not sure about online. Sportsound is on at 2pm but given they couldn't broadcast our game at Ibrox it's out of order if they can somehow broadcast tomorrow's other game.

[Billy Whizz]

Off the ball is on at 12 on FM and MW, not sure about online. Sportsound is on at 2pm but given they couldn't broadcast our game at Ibrox it's out of order if they can somehow broadcast tomorrow's other game.

Had a quick look, looks like it’s not on MW
Usually when a games live on line, you have the option to watch or listen to it

[O'Rourke3]

It will be online or on medium waveBe on the iPlayer so available anywhere in the UK. Not sure they'd route the commentary through BBC Sounds

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[CMurdoch]

Lots of benchers in the team tomorrow please with the main men on the bench in case required for the last 20-30 minutes.
So Macey, Magennis, Gray, Wright, McGregor , Hallberg, Stevenson starting tomorrow.

Shouldn't risk getting the likes of Boyle injured unnecessarily before the Livingston in midweek.
Stranraer players have been playing 3 times a week in between doing their day jobs so they will be very tired in the last quarter tomorrow so can be blown away by our main guys at that point if necessary.

[lord bunberry]

Lots of benchers in the team tomorrow please with the main men on the bench in case required for the last 20-30 minutes.
So Macey, Magennis, Gray, Wright, McGregor , Hallberg, Stevenson starting tomorrow.

Shouldn't risk getting the likes of Boyle injured unnecessarily before the Livingston in midweek.
Stranraer players have been playing 3 times a week in between doing their day jobs so they will be very tired in the last quarter tomorrow so can be blown away by our main guys at that point if necessary.
We’re not good enough to do that. We’ll play our strongest team and take players off when the job is done. This game is absolutely pivotal in our season, there’s no way we’ll go with an under strength team.

[Hibbyradge]

I think Gogic should be the first name on the team sheet every week, although it would be nice to give him a rest. :greengrin

I know we really shouldnt need him tomorrow, but he does do a terrific job winning the ball back for us. :top marks

I totally agree and I've posted as much previously.

He's been hugely important to our progess.

[Hibbyradge]

We’re not good enough to do that. We’ll play our strongest team and take players off when the job is done. This game is absolutely pivotal in our season, there’s no way we’ll go with an under strength team.

Correct.

[Shrekko]

I think Gogic should be the first name on the team sheet every week, although it would be nice to give him a rest. :greengrin

I know we really shouldnt need him tomorrow, but he does do a terrific job winning the ball back for us. :top marks

His form in the last 2/3 months has been outstanding. He’s actually my overall player of the year.

We dropped him once before for no real reason and the teams form fell off a cliff.

[Highwayman]

His form in the last 2/3 months has been outstanding. He’s actually my overall player of the year.

We dropped him once before for no real reason and the teams form fell off a cliff.

Most sensible post I’ve seen for a long time.

[147lothian]

His form in the last 2/3 months has been outstanding. He’s actually my overall player of the year.

We dropped him once before for no real reason and the teams form fell off a cliff.

My player of the year too, Mr consistant

[Jim44]

I think we should go for the jugular straight away with our strongest 11, and when the game is won ( probably before half time ) JR can then give game time to the benchees. I’m confident of a win by four or more goals.

[Moulin Yarns]

What a shame, the weather up here has changed from warm and sunny over the past few days to cool and wet. I'm not going to be able to get work done in the garden. I'll just have to watch the telly, any idea if there's football on?

[bingo70]

I think we should go for the jugular straight away with our strongest 11, and when the game is won ( probably before half time ) JR can then give game time to the benchees. I’m confident of a win by four or more goals.

I agree with the strongest 11 part, the only contradiction to that is I’d like to see Magennis start.

We should still have more than enough to beat them and I think there’s a right good player in Magennis, even if he’s not necessarily shown it yet, there’s still time for him to be an asset this season but he needs some match time I think.

[MWHIBBIES]

We’re not good enough to do that. We’ll play our strongest team and take players off when the job is done. This game is absolutely pivotal in our season, there’s no way we’ll go with an under strength team.

Of course we're good enough, it's a part time league 2 side ffs. Rotate, bring in hungry fresh players and we'll still win easily.

[Since452]

The Scottish Cup isn't the competition to be chopping and changing the team. Strongest side possible, get the game won then make the changes.

[Brightside]

Of course we're good enough, it's a part time league 2 side ffs. Rotate, bring in hungry fresh players and we'll still win easily.

What league were they in when we needed an OG to beat them in 2015.

[04Sauzee]

What league were they in when we needed an OG to beat them in 2015.

League 1

[mal]

Of course we're good enough, it's a part time league 2 side ffs. Rotate, bring in hungry fresh players and we'll still win easily.

Of course there are no recent examples of full-time professional teams from Edinburgh losing to part-timers 3 tiers below them ...

[JimBHibees]

My approach would be best team unless anyone with knock that could play but wouldn't risk

[Wilson]

My approach would be best team unless anyone with knock that could play but wouldn't risk

Let's be honest, that is probably going to be Jack Ross's approach too.

The strength of the team he fielded against QotS shows this isn't a competition he is going to take chances in.

I'd be happier if we were more comfortable rotating. Especially when we look at the kind of packed schedule we're aiming for - it is something we'll need to do.

The important thing today though is just progressing.

[bingo70]

Jackson Irvine has played a lot of football after being out a long time.

I think giving him an extra wee rest might not be a bad idea before the Livi game.

It’s all very well playing the strongest team but the league fixtures are more important until we can get one more win I’d say. Keeping somebody fresh for our league games is sensible IMO.

[MWHIBBIES]

Of course there are no recent examples of full-time professional teams from Edinburgh losing to part-timers 3 tiers below them ...What recent example are there of 3rd placed Hibs losing to a league 2 side?


What league were they in when we needed an OG to beat them in 2015.

They literally never touched the ball that night. And if it wasn't an own goal, Cummings were there to tap it in.

[Eyrie]

We're allowed five substitutions which is another reason for starting with a full strength side.

Play like we did in the second half against Queen of the South and the Stranraer players will struggle due to the number of games they've played recently. That should see us build a healthy cushion, at which point we can use the bench to rest key players.

[Billy Whizz]

We're allowed five substitutions which is another reason for starting with a full strength side.

Play like we did in the second half against Queen of the South and the Stranraer players will struggle due to the number of games they've played recently. That should see us build a healthy cushion, at which point we can use the bench to rest key players.

Think it’s only 3 in the Scottish Cup, plus one more if it goes to extra time

[HH81]

This morning is going so slow. Wish the game would hurry up and start.

[Brightside]

What recent example are there of 3rd placed Hibs losing to a league 2 side?



They literally never touched the ball that night. And if it wasn't an own goal, Cummings were there to tap it in.
Apart from when Oxley tipped one over the bar. We can give players a run out once we are 3 up.

[MWHIBBIES]

Apart from when Oxley tipped one over the bar. We can give players a run out once we are 3 up.

Which is completely useless for them. If we want more than the first 11 to actually contribute for the run in, this is a perfect game to get them some fitness. If not, play the first 11. Either way, we will win easily.

[Onion]

Apart from when Oxley tipped one over the bar. We can give players a run out once we are 3 up.

Agree. Hibs are in no position to take any game for granted. Seen far too many cup upsets over the years to know how that ends. Play a very strong 11 and only once the game is well won, start rotating. The next 3 games could define our whole season.

[Andy74]

Which is completely useless for them. If we want more than the first 11 to actually contribute for the run in, this is a perfect game to get them some fitness. If not, play the first 11. Either way, we will win easily.

We’ve only got a few games to go. Best team available in each required.

[Hibbyradge]

Which is completely useless for them. If we want more than the first 11 to actually contribute for the run in, this is a perfect game to get them some fitness. If not, play the first 11. Either way, we will win easily.

It's how fringe players are usually eased into the first team so it's not "useless", it's tried and tested.

If we put the guys on the bench in from the start and lost, there won't be many folk saying that at least they got a run out. The calls would be for JR to go.

Win the game first, then think about the run in and match fitness.

[MWHIBBIES]

We’ve only got a few games to go. Best team available in each required.

We don't. We have 4 league games and potentially 4 Scottish cup games. This is perfect chance to rest main players for run in, and get others some game time.

I remember having this same argument against BSC. First team played, barely tried and won 4-1. If we seriously think there is any chance of losing this while giving the likes of Macey, Mcgregor, Magennis, Hallberg etc a game then they should all be told to find new clubs.

[MWHIBBIES]

It's how fringe players are usually eased into the first team so it's not "useless", it's tried and tested.

If we put the guys on the bench in from the start and lost, there won't be many folk saying that at least they got a run out. The calls would be for JR to go.

Win the game first, then think about the run in and match fitness.

The only times in the last 20 years Hibs have brought young players through (golden generation, Wotherspoon, Porteous, Shaw, Doig, Booth, Stanton, Forster etc) was chucking them in and trusting them.

[telford hibbee]

Is the game scheduled for BBC Scotland 1 or 2 or the other BBC Scotland Channel? Surely plenty options across their network for alternative broadcasting.

As the national broadcaster I understand the obligation to cover the funeral, but just stick ours on BBC Scotland Channel or Alba and let folk decide what they want to watch. Or just scrap it altogether and let The clubs stream it themselves.
bbc 1 scotland the main channel

[Moulin Yarns]

This morning is going so slow. Wish the game would hurry up and start.

Dinner all prepared. 😉

[mal]

What recent example are there of 3rd placed Hibs losing to a league 2 side?

Do you live in some bizarre Hibernian-exceptionalist world? A reminder that Hearts were top of their division and lost to a team a tier below Stranraer. Indeed, depending on playoff results, Stranraer might only be two tiers below us next season, while Brora could be four tiers below Hearts.

An inflated sense of entitlement does not guarantee that you win games. A professional attitude should ensure that we win this one.

We've already seen Hearts lose to Brora, Motherwell taken to penalties at home by relegation-threatened Morton, Aberdeen struggle to beat Dumbarton, Dundee United struggle to beat Forfar. And we laboured to beat Brora, Cove and Forfar when we had to field second-string sides in the League Cup just this season.

[mal]

The only times in the last 20 years Hibs have brought young players through (golden generation, Wotherspoon, Porteous, Shaw, Doig, Booth, Stanton, Forster etc) was chucking them in and trusting them.

You realise that 5 or the 7 players you named ended up being deemed not good enough for us?

[MWHIBBIES]

Do you live in some bizarre Hibernian-exceptionalist world? A reminder that Hearts were top of their division and lost to a team a tier below Stranraer. Indeed, depending on playoff results, Stranraer might only be two tiers below us next season, while Brora could be four tiers below Hearts.

An inflated sense of entitlement does not guarantee that you win games. A professional attitude should ensure that we win this one.

We've already seen Hearts lose to Brora, Motherwell taken to penalties at home by relegation-threatened Morton, Aberdeen struggle to beat Dumbarton, Dundee United struggle to beat Forfar. And we laboured to beat Brora, Cove and Forfar when we had to field second-string sides in the League Cup just this season.

We had players away on international duty so we had to play certain players and ones who had played x games in y days. Now we don't. We have plenty to pick from and can phase a few in. I'm not interested in other sides. We're better than every team you mentioned, we will win today.

[MWHIBBIES]

You realise that 5 or the 7 players you named ended up being deemed not good enough for us?

And they've gone on to have decent careers except Forster. Wotherspoon winning 2 trophies. The only way to know how good they can be is actually play them.

[Hibbyradge]

The only times in the last 20 years Hibs have brought young players through (golden generation, Wotherspoon, Porteous, Shaw, Doig, Booth, Stanton, Forster etc) was chucking them in and trusting them.

I'll counter that with Macey, Mackie, Murray and Gillan.

We're not going to agree on the best approach so let's just hope whatever way the manager goes, we win.

[MWHIBBIES]

I'll counter that with Macey, Mackie, Murray and Gillan.

We're not going to agree on the best approach so let's just hope whatever way the manager goes, we win.

What exactly have you countered? None of them have done anything for Hibs because they've hardly played? We've loaned two of them out because they didn't play here

[oneone73]

They literally never touched the ball that night. And if it wasn't an own goal, Cummings were there to tap it in.

Not literally 😡

[Hibbyradge]

What exactly have you countered?

We're easing them in not just chucking them in.

[Hibbyradge]

Not literally 😡

😁👍

Unfortunately, "literally" was given a new definition recently. It is also used for emphasis which is very sad.

[MWHIBBIES]

Not literally 😡You're correct. They figuratively managed 2 shots on target.


We're easing them in not just chucking them in.We're easing them out tbh. Cant loan them forever. Murray will either come back and play or leave this summer.

[Hibbyradge]

You're correct. They figuratively managed 2 shots on target.

We're easing them out tbh. Cant loan them forever. Murray will either come back and play or leave this summer.

Whatever, but we're not just "chucking them in and trusting them". That's only done through necessity of stupidity.

We're not going to agree. JR obviously agrees with me though. Good team today.

[MWHIBBIES]

Whatever, but we're not just "chucking them in and trusting them". That's only done through necessity of stupidity.

We're not going to agree. JR obviously agrees with me though. Good team today.

I knew Jack Ross was going to play a full strength side before I posted here. He did it against BSC as well. I don't agree with it, thats all.

[147lothian]

Just get the job done Hibs, strongest team out, subs can be used later, all that matters is that it's our name for the Motherwell game at 14:00pm

[CMurdoch]

Normally in the Scottish Cup a team like Stranraer would put up a fight but given their recent brutal playing schedule they won't be able to compete for the whole game so a certain win for Hibs today no matter how badly they play. Injuries to our best players is the only real issue today.
Only thing in Stranraer's favour is the funeral postponement has given them 64 hours rest since their last game instead of the 40 they would have had if the game had been played yesterday.

[DH1875]

Think they've played something like 4 games in 8 days and are part time. Even if it's 0-0 with 20 minutes to go we should be winning this.

[CMurdoch]

Normally in the Scottish Cup a team like Stranraer would put up a fight but given their recent brutal playing schedule they won't be able to compete for the whole game so a certain win for Hibs today no matter how badly they play. Injuries to our best players is the only real issue today.
Only thing in Stranraer's favour is the funeral postponement has given them 64 hours rest since their last game instead of the 40 they would have had if the game had been played yesterday.

piece of pish as predicted

[MWHIBBIES]

piece of pish as predicted

Yep. Could've been 7 or 8 on another day. Mental we didn't rest a few first reamers. Could suffer for it on Wednesday.

[marinello59]

Yep. Could've been 7 or 8 on another day. Mental we didn't rest a few first reamers. Could suffer for it on Wednesday.

I don’t know why that typo is so funny... decked. :greengrin

[MWHIBBIES]

I don’t know why that typo is so funny... decked. :greengrin

:faf:

Not even gonna fix that

[Since452]

Stranraer have been pretty mince of late. Any win on Sunday would do but I think we'll put 4 or 5 past them after a slow-ish first half. They'll tire pretty quickly after their schedule.

I really need to start betting on stuff