Leigh Griffiths to Aberdeen

[Hibs90]

Absolute no brainer.

If he wants it, and it can be done, get it done Hibs.

[worcesterhibby]

He has to come home now. :agree::agree:

[007]

I believe we would see a bump in our season ticket sales ,perhaps more importantly retention of existing holders, we would also have a serious increase in walk ups ,for at least a few games ,catering and merchandising sales so that value has to be added too.

Two year contract with 1 year option ?

Are we likely to be doing walk ups any time soon? I thought we were expecting to operate on a reduced capacity for a good while and it was probably going to mean a ballot for ST holders to get in or some sort of rotation where we'd each have to take it turns to miss a game. The frequency of which would depend on how many STs sold and what %age capacity we were allowed.

[Jim44]

It’ll be on reduced wages if they do, his dedication to his profession has been questioned a couple of times if I recall correctly. Still be more than we pay though.

:agree: I think he’ll stay at Celtic on reduced wages, which will be much more than we or Aberdeen can pay.

[FilipinoHibs]

Definitely not going to Aberdeen after that goal.

[Since452]

I'd bite the bullet and sign Lafferty. 10 goals since February. Incredible return. Might be a wronun in some folks eyes but can't ignore his goals.

[mayo hibee]

I'm more than happy to ignore his goals. Don't want him anywhere near the place.

[Borderhibbie76]

I'd bite the bullet and sign Lafferty. 10 goals since February. Incredible return. Might be a wronun in some folks eyes but can't ignore his goals.

Absolutely not ..nowhere near ER thanks

[J-C]

:agree: I think he’ll stay at Celtic on reduced wages, which will be much more than we or Aberdeen can pay.


Celtic cannot do that, the extension is an extra year on his current wage.

[Hibby70]

Celtic cannot do that, the extension is an extra year on his current wage.

Surely there's nothing to stop them saying we're not taking up the extension option, but here's a new contract , take it or leave it.

[3pm]

Celtic cannot do that, the extension is an extra year on his current wage.

Celtic can offer him reduced terms though.

'Won't take up the offer on £10K a week but we'll offer you a year at £5K. Take it or it's a free transfer.'

[MWHIBBIES]

Surely there's nothing to stop them saying we're not taking up the extension option, but here's a new contract , take it or leave it.

Correct. They could do that.

[blackpoolhibs]

:agree: I think he’ll stay at Celtic on reduced wages, which will be much more than we or Aberdeen can pay.

That's my thoughts too.

[Jim44]

Surely there's nothing to stop them saying we're not taking up the extension option, but here's a new contract , take it or leave it.

...... which is what I’ve been saying for a wee while now and what I think is likely to happen. Griffiths might feel slightly aggrieved but at the end of the day he gets a contract on more money than any alternative deal elsewhere, with no disruption to his domestic situation.

[Brightside]

I reckon there is almost no chance he will take the wage cut to come to us. My thoughts are he simply cannot afford to do that.

[Mon Dieu4]

I reckon there is almost no chance he will take the wage cut to come to us. My thoughts are he simply cannot afford to do that.

I live in hope that if there is one player mental enough to do just that it's Sparky

[J-C]

Celtic can offer him reduced terms though.

'Won't take up the offer on £10K a week but we'll offer you a year at £5K. Take it or it's a free transfer.'


The extension is part of his contract, it was signed in good faith by both parties, it'll be an extra year on the contract he has already, they cannot say we're triggering the extension but on half the money, the contract signed doesn't allow that.

They could say they're not triggering the extension but instead offering a new different contract but at a reduced wage, that is something completely different.

[GloryGlory]

I reckon there is almost no chance he will take the wage cut to come to us. My thoughts are he simply cannot afford to do that.

If Celtic don't trigger the contract option or don't offer him anything new his wages will be zero.

Plus you don't know what the new manager will want to do - maybe want to bring in his own players, so getting players off the budget will be attractive.

[hibee-boys]

Can you imagine the uproar by the Celtic fans if he was released and banged in 20 goals for Hibs next season. I’d guess that he’ll be offered terms for next year, perhaps not at the current level but still far more that what we’d be offering.

[GordonHFC]

I reckon there is almost no chance he will take the wage cut to come to us. My thoughts are he simply cannot afford to do that.

This is what I believe the situation is. He has a salary which he cannot, not will not, go below and I think this is too much for Hibs. To be honest we probably couldn't afford his child maintenance let alone salary.

[blackpoolhibs]

If they take the option of another year up, it costs Celtic the reported £19k a week. If they release him and dont take the option, Leigh's wages are nil.

He then becomes a free agent, Hibs might offer him £4k a week or something around that figure, maybe with a signing on fee that we can all guess at.

Is there any reason why Celtic cant come back and offer him a deal as a free agent on lets say £10k a week, therefore halving their outlay on him?

[Jim44]

The extension is part of his contract, it was signed in good faith by both parties, it'll be an extra year on the contract he has already, they cannot say we're triggering the extension but on half the money, the contract signed doesn't allow that.

They could say they're not triggering the extension but instead offering a new different contract but at a reduced wage, that is something completely different.

Are you not just repeating what we’re trying to say?

[Greenbeard]

I'd bite the bullet and sign Lafferty. 10 goals since February. Incredible return. Might be a wronun in some folks eyes but can't ignore his goals.
Laugherty would be a fantastic signing........if you want to dent season ticket sales.

[3pm]

The extension is part of his contract, it was signed in good faith by both parties, it'll be an extra year on the contract he has already, they cannot say we're triggering the extension but on half the money, the contract signed doesn't allow that.

They could say they're not triggering the extension but instead offering a new different contract but at a reduced wage, that is something completely different.

I don't think anyone is suggesting it's not different.

[mal]

This is what I believe the situation is. He has a salary which he cannot, not will not, go below and I think this is too much for Hibs. To be honest we probably couldn't afford his child maintenance let alone salary.

In about 6 weeks time, unless something happens, his salary will be zero.

[bigwheel]

In about 6 weeks time, unless something happens, his salary will be zero.

He’s unlikely to be short of options though, is he .....

[Coco Bryce]

There is ZERO chance of Griffiths back at Hibs sadly.

This is from one of his mates.

[superfurryhibby]

There is ZERO chance of Griffiths back at Hibs sadly.

This is from one of his mates.

Where's he going to be playing football next year?

[flash]

I think he might stay at Celtic for another year.

[Since90+2]

Never realised he is the top scorer in Scottish Premiership history.

[nonshinyfinish]

Never realised he is the top scorer in Scottish Premiership history.

That 'history' is only back to 2013 though. According to Wiki he has another 31 league goals (all at Hibs) from the SPL era, so 121 total, but he's still some way off Boyd and Larsson: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Premier_League#Top_10_SPL_goalscorers

Then of course you can go back pre-SPL (1998) etc. Not really sure these top scorer stats mean much when it's so fragmented (beyond the obvious that he has an excellent scoring record in our league).

[Jim44]

There is ZERO chance of Griffiths back at Hibs sadly.

This is from one of his mates.

I think most of us have realised that from the outset. Ok, Celtic and particularly their fans, have a love/hate relationship with Griffiths, but, weighing up the pros and cons, he is good value to them at a much reduced wage. Griffiths is not a daft laddie altogether and a contract with Celtic at, say, £10k a week, is an offer he couldn’t refuse. Griffiths only problem will be if Celtic dig their heels in and decide that he’s got away with his unprofessional attitude for long enough cut their losses.

[mal]

He’s unlikely to be short of options though, is he .....

I would expect him to have offers, yes, but I'd be extremely surprised if those options matched his current deal, which is about to expire. Hence why the post I was responding to doesn't really make sense, unless Leigh was prepared to retire rather than accept a reduced salary, which seems unlikely.

None of that means he's about to sign for us of course.

[SHODAN]

I'd sign Griffiths AND Lafferty. They'd hate each other but score 35+ between them.

[Jones28]

I think most of us have realised that from the outset. Ok, Celtic and particularly their fans, have a love/hate relationship with Griffiths, but, weighing up the pros and cons, he is good value to them at a much reduced wage. Griffiths is not a daft laddie altogether and a contract with Celtic at, say, £10k a week, is an offer he couldn’t refuse. Griffiths only problem will be if Celtic dig their heels in and decide that he’s got away with his unprofessional attitude for long enough cut their losses.

Has he not bean at Celtic for getting on for 10 years?

Evan at the reduced wage of £10k/week, thats still £520,000 a year. If we assume that this would be his basic rate (I think we could assume that he will be on closer to £20,000 on his current deal), thats £5 million.

He might think "I've made my money, now I want to play for my team until my playing days end".

[Jones28]

I'd sign Griffiths AND Lafferty. They'd hate each other but score 35+ between them.

They'd run in opposite directions to celebrate. That would be interesting.

[Jim44]

Has he not bean at Celtic for getting on for 10 years?

Evan at the reduced wage of £10k/week, thats still £520,000 a year. If we assume that this would be his basic rate (I think we could assume that he will be on closer to £20,000 on his current deal), thats £5 million.

He might think "I've made my money, now I want to play for my team until my playing days end".

I’ve no idea of his domestic commitments and it’s nobody’s business, but I would hazard a guess that they are substantially high and ongoing for the foreseeable future. He’s also got 50 years of life ahead of him. I can’t see Griffiths opting for sentimental over financial considerations.

[Brightside]

Has he not bean at Celtic for getting on for 10 years?

Evan at the reduced wage of £10k/week, thats still £520,000 a year. If we assume that this would be his basic rate (I think we could assume that he will be on closer to £20,000 on his current deal), thats £5 million.

He might think "I've made my money, now I want to play for my team until my playing days end".

Unless he spent it all.....

[J-C]

Are you not just repeating what we’re trying to say?

Clarifying, I think some were getting confused re extension and a new contract.

[Jones28]

I’ve no idea of his domestic commitments and it’s nobody’s business, but I would hazard a guess that they are substantially high and ongoing for the foreseeable future. He’s also got 50 years of life ahead of him. I can’t see Griffiths opting for sentimental over financial considerations.

Nor do I, but my point is that if he has been reasonably sensible (probably wishful thinking on my part), then he might think leaving Celtic where he has been undervalued in the last 2/3 years and going to Hibs were he'd go straight to number 1 might be a good way to end his career.

[Since90+2]

Has he not bean at Celtic for getting on for 10 years?

Evan at the reduced wage of £10k/week, thats still £520,000 a year. If we assume that this would be his basic rate (I think we could assume that he will be on closer to £20,000 on his current deal), thats £5 million.

He might think "I've made my money, now I want to play for my team until my playing days end".

He would have paid a small fortune in tax off that 5 million.

He's obviously very well off compared to your average man in the street but depending on how he has managed his finances he might not be in a position yet that feels he can easily give up £5,000 or £6,000 a week for the next few years.

[Haymaker]

:hyper

[Joe6-2]

:hyper

You know something we don’t?

[JeMeSouviens]

You know something we don’t?

No, he's a hyper-smiley bot.

[Joe6-2]

No, he's a hyper-smiley bot.

😬

[Jim44]

Nor do I, but my point is that if he has been reasonably sensible (probably wishful thinking on my part), then he might think leaving Celtic where he has been undervalued in the last 2/3 years and going to Hibs were he'd go straight to number 1 might be a good way to end his career.

Well you never know, stranger things happen. By the way the mass clear out has started at Parkhead with the sale of Klimala to New York Red Bulls for a reported £3.5m, making a small profit on their outlay. The report says that it’s a massive overhaul with players in all positions coming and going. It’ll be interesting to see where Griffiths fits into this.

[Haymaker]

No, he's a hyper-smiley bot.

:hyper

[Jones28]

He would have paid a small fortune in tax off that 5 million.

He's obviously very well off compared to your average man in the street but depending on how he has managed his finances he might not be in a position yet that feels he can easily give up £5,000 or £6,000 a week for the next few years.

Of course he has, but that £5m is based on the idea of £10k a week, which I suspect is probably very conservative.

I'm just saying never say never, especially football is concerned. The Celtic clearout has begun and I get the feeling a new manager, whoever it may be, will want a fresh front line if Edouard leaves - he will net them £25m easily and that will go back in to the team.


And a quick glance at Kerrydale Street would suggest he has lost the support of the majority of lesser greens.

[kaimendhibs]

I think most of us have realised that from the outset. Ok, Celtic and particularly their fans, have a love/hate relationship with Griffiths, but, weighing up the pros and cons, he is good value to them at a much reduced wage. Griffiths is not a daft laddie altogether and a contract with Celtic at, say, £10k a week, is an offer he couldn’t refuse. Griffiths only problem will be if Celtic dig their heels in and decide that he’s got away with his unprofessional attitude for long enough cut their losses.Mibbe so but hes not going to Aberdeen.

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If he does leave Celtc, its not to Aberdeen

[Brightside]

Of course he has, but that £5m is based on the idea of £10k a week, which I suspect is probably very conservative.

I'm just saying never say never, especially football is concerned. The Celtic clearout has begun and I get the feeling a new manager, whoever it may be, will want a fresh front line if Edouard leaves - he will net them £25m easily and that will go back in to the team.


And a quick glance at Kerrydale Street would suggest he has lost the support of the majority of lesser greens.

LG is not well off. Unless he can’t get a gig elsewhere he won’t be coming to us for 4k a week. Btw I’d also make sure it was a pay as you play deal.

[Wilson]

LG is not well off. Unless he can’t get a gig elsewhere he won’t be coming to us for 4k a week. Btw I’d also make sure it was a pay as you play deal.

If he's not well off he definitely won't sign a pay as you play deal.

[calumhibee1]

LG is not well off. Unless he can’t get a gig elsewhere he won’t be coming to us for 4k a week. Btw I’d also make sure it was a pay as you play deal.

You seem to know a lot about Griffiths’ finances?

If you’re close enough to him to actually know I’d be surprised if he was happy with you telling people about them.

[MWHIBBIES]

Has anyone ever actually signed a pay as you play deal? I think they are an absolute myth. Maybe one guy years ago but surely its against the law?

[Since90+2]

LG is not well off. Unless he can’t get a gig elsewhere he won’t be coming to us for 4k a week. Btw I’d also make sure it was a pay as you play deal.

You'd have to define what you term as well off to give that post context.

He's someone who's probably earned around a million pound a year in salary and bonuses for the past 5 years or so. In most people's books that's well off.

[hibbysam]

I’ve no idea of his domestic commitments and it’s nobody’s business, but I would hazard a guess that they are substantially high and ongoing for the foreseeable future. He’s also got 50 years of life ahead of him. I can’t see Griffiths opting for sentimental over financial considerations.

There’s more chance of Celtic releasing Leigh, than there is of them offering him a new contract. He’s barely kicked a ball for them for two years, next year is huge and there’s very little chance they’re taking a punt on him playing far more then.

So to that end, he won’t really have many options, more money but hundreds of miles from his family and children again, or less money but sticking around.

I know where my money would go regarding his future.

[Since90+2]

There’s more chance of Celtic releasing Leigh, than there is of them offering him a new contract. He’s barely kicked a ball for them for two years, next year is huge and there’s very little chance they’re taking a punt on him playing far more then.

So to that end, he won’t really have many options, more money but hundreds of miles from his family and children again, or less money but sticking around.

I know where my money would go regarding his future.

He's scored 14 goals in 39 league appearances the last 2 seasons, a fair proportion of which are from the bench.

That's a steady enough return of goals so I don't think you can say he's hardly kicked a ball.

[Andy74]

You'd have to define what you term as well off to give that post context.

He's someone who's probably earned around a million pound a year in salary and bonuses for the past 5 years or so. In most people's books that's well off.
That depends what he is paying out. Being well of is actually what you have left in cash and assets isn’t it?

[GreyJammies]

:hyper

[hibbysam]

He's scored 14 goals in 39 league appearances the last 2 seasons, a fair proportion of which are from the bench.

That's a steady enough return of goals so I don't think you can say he's hardly kicked a ball.

He’s played the equivalent of 36 full games in 3 years. Whether he scored some goals in that time, Celtic will be wanting far more value for their money. There is no doubt he scores goals, but can he be fit enough to get on the pitch for 30+ games next season? That will have a massive doubt in Celtic’s mind considering what’s went on previously.

[HoboHarry]

Has anyone ever actually signed a pay as you play deal? I think they are an absolute myth. Maybe one guy years ago but surely its against the law?
I doubt it would be against the law but it would be nuts to agree to that. No agent would allow it for one......

[Brightside]

That depends what he is paying out. Being well of is actually what you have left in cash and assets isn’t it?

Yeh it hardly needs explaining, and anyone who’s paid attention over the past 10 years can guess which players have saved for their future post football.

[Brightside]

I doubt it would be against the law but it would be nuts to agree to that. No agent would allow it for one......

I don’t disagree but players have indeed signed pay as you play deals. Small base salary large bonus incentive. Hibs would be crazy to pay LG 5k plus when his fitness over the last few years has been questioned.

[FilipinoHibs]

Yeh it hardly needs explaining, and anyone who’s paid attention over the past 10 years can guess which players have saved for their future post football.

He has a lot of child support to fork out for and a gambling problem. Plus he has to fund himself and his families for another 40 plus years. Money will be the driving factor of any decision he makes. He will take a contract extension on reduced wages at Celtic. Failing that it will be Hibs or Aberdeen with Hibs the likely winner as the difference in wages will be small and he would prefer to be close to his home and immediate family. Even if the manager is not in place I think Celtic will offer him a new deal given his goal scoring ability at home and in Europe.

[Hibbyradge]

I doubt it would be against the law but it would be nuts to agree to that. No agent would allow it for one......

I think George Best and Chic Charnley were here on pay as you play deals.

[HibsGW]

Yeh it hardly needs explaining, and anyone who’s paid attention over the past 10 years can guess which players have saved for their future post football.

What’s anyone seen to suggest Griffiths has no money? A rumour a while ago that he had a gambling problem?

[007]

He has a lot of child support to fork out for and a gambling problem. Plus he has to fund himself and his families for another 40 plus years. Money will be the driving factor of any decision he makes. He will take a contract extension on reduced wages at Celtic. Failing that it will be Hibs or Aberdeen with Hibs the likely winner as the difference in wages will be small and he would prefer to be close to his home and immediate family. Even if the manager is not in place I think Celtic will offer him a new deal given his goal scoring ability at home and in Europe.

If they are going to offer him a contract extension on reduced wages then they might be as well waiting until they've got a new manager in place to see if he wants him or not. They could say here are the terms of the deal, the contract offer is on the proviso that the new manager wants you. Of course there would be the risk that he'd sign up with another team in the meantime but that risk would be there to an extent anyway because the reduced wages offer means they're not taking up the extra year option.

Plus from Leigh's point of view, you'd think he'd want to know who his manager is going to be and have a chat about how he sees him fitting into his plans.

[calumhibee1]

What’s anyone seen to suggest Griffiths has no money? A rumour a while ago that he had a gambling problem?

They don’t actually know anything about his finances.

Making stuff up about someone’s finances and posting them online as if they’re fact when you don’t actually have a clue is poor form really.

[ancient hibee]

If they are going to offer him a contract extension on reduced wages then they might be as well waiting until they've got a new manager in place to see if he wants him or not. They could say here are the terms of the deal, the contract offer is on the proviso that the new manager wants you. Of course there would be the risk that he'd sign up with another team in the meantime but that risk would be there to an extent anyway because the reduced wages offer means they're not taking up the extra year option.

Plus from Leigh's point of view, you'd think he'd want to know who his manager is going to be and have a chat about how he sees him fitting into his plans.

They will have to take up the extension by a certain date. They won’t be able to offer to take it up while saying “by the way we might not”.

[hibbysam]

He has a lot of child support to fork out for and a gambling problem. Plus he has to fund himself and his families for another 40 plus years. Money will be the driving factor of any decision he makes. He will take a contract extension on reduced wages at Celtic. Failing that it will be Hibs or Aberdeen with Hibs the likely winner as the difference in wages will be small and he would prefer to be close to his home and immediate family. Even if the manager is not in place I think Celtic will offer him a new deal given his goal scoring ability at home and in Europe.

Without checking, doesn’t he have a fairly poor scoring record in Europe? Fairly sure that’s a big part of the discontent from Celtic fans around him.

[007]

They will have to take up the extension by a certain date. They won’t be able to offer to take it up while saying “by the way we might not”.

I wasn't meaning they'll take up the 1 year option. I was replying to FilipinoHibs's comment about a contract on reduced wages. They'd be saying we're not taking up the 1 year option however we're prepared to offer you a contract with reduced wages. They could offer him a contract like that whenever they want.

[MWHIBBIES]

I don’t disagree but players have indeed signed pay as you play deals. Small base salary large bonus incentive. Hibs would be crazy to pay LG 5k plus when his fitness over the last few years has been questioned.that's not a pay as you play deal. That's just a contract. Imo there's no way you could have a player training (so working) all week, then not play them and they get nothing. No player with self respect takes that contract.


I think George Best and Chic Charnley were here on pay as you play deals.

Any proof of this? Can't see it being true. Maybe big incentives for playing and performance but definitely not zero basic salary.

[calumhibee1]

Without checking, doesn’t he have a fairly poor scoring record in Europe? Fairly sure that’s a big part of the discontent from Celtic fans around him.

He’s scored 15 in 53. Nothing to write home about but not a horrendous record, especially when he always seemed to play second fiddle in Europe to Dembele and now Edouard.. at least I feel like they always seemed to be the strikers that started in Europe?

[calumhibee1]

that's not a pay as you play deal. That's just a contract. Imo there's no way you could have a player training (so working) all week, then not play them and they get nothing. No player with self respect takes that contract.



Any proof of this? Can't see it being true. Maybe big incentives for playing and performance but definitely not zero basic salary.

I don’t think anyone will have ever had the contract you described in the first part of your post which truly would be a pay as you play deal.

Some players will have had contracts that have been so heavily weighted in terms of whether they play or not that to all intents and purposes they’ll be ‘pay as you play’ though I’d think.

[tamig]

that's not a pay as you play deal. That's just a contract. Imo there's no way you could have a player training (so working) all week, then not play them and they get nothing. No player with self respect takes that contract.



Any proof of this? Can't see it being true. Maybe big incentives for playing and performance but definitely not zero basic salary.
So far as the Georgie boy is concerned, it was widely reported at the time he was on a pay as you play deal of £2000 per game when he was here. Not sure what proof you’re looking for but that was what was spoken about at the time. Jon Stark in the Scoop magazine was also on a similar deal.

[Hibbyradge]

that's not a pay as you play deal. That's just a contract. Imo there's no way you could have a player training (so working) all week, then not play them and they get nothing. No player with self respect takes that contract.



Any proof of this? Can't see it being true. Maybe big incentives for playing and performance but definitely not zero basic salary.

I haven't got proof but that's my memory of how things were at the time.

Chic Charnley had a shocking disciplinary record and, when we signed him, he was one booking away from a lengthy ban. I'm sure he was signed on the basis that he'd get paid if he played. He managed a long run of booking-free games but was eventually scuppered when he was cautioned for fighting/arguing with another Hibs player.

Best, I'm fairly sure, was paid per game and from Tom Hart's own money.

[hibbysam]

He’s scored 15 in 53. Nothing to write home about but not a horrendous record, especially when he always seemed to play second fiddle in Europe to Dembele and now Edouard.. at least I feel like they always seemed to be the strikers that started in Europe?

How many of those in the first couple of qualifiers against Red Imps and the likes though? Again I’m too lazy to check but Celtic have been rotten in group stages so can’t see many coming against decent sides.

Not a slight on LG either, just picking reasons why I don’t think Celtic will take up a contract extension, and why he may well end up in Leith.

[calumhibee1]

How many of those in the first couple of qualifiers against Red Imps and the likes though? Again I’m too lazy to check but Celtic have been rotten in group stages so can’t see many coming against decent sides.

Not a slight on LG either, just picking reasons why I don’t think Celtic will take up a contract extension, and why he may well end up in Leith.

1 in the Champions League
10in Champions League qualifying
3 in the Europa League
1 in Europa League qualifying

You’re right, not the greatest in the tournament proper. :agree:

[Brightside]

I don’t think anyone will have ever had the contract you described in the first part of your post which truly would be a pay as you play deal.

Some players will have had contracts that have been so heavily weighted in terms of whether they play or not that to all intents and purposes they’ll be ‘pay as you play’ though I’d think.

Correct which I hopefully explained in the further post. Plenty’s footballer have deals like these.

[Brightside]

They don’t actually know anything about his finances.

Making stuff up about someone’s finances and posting them online as if they’re fact when you don’t actually have a clue is poor form really.

He will have my full support when he signs for Hibs. Anything else would really be poor form.

[SanFranHibs]

I haven't got proof but that's my memory of how things were at the time.

Chic Charnley had a shocking disciplinary record and, when we signed him, he was one booking away from a lengthy ban. I'm sure he was signed on the basis that he'd get paid if he played. He managed a long run of booking-free games but was eventually scuppered when he was cautioned for fighting/arguing with another Hibs player.

Best, I'm fairly sure, was paid per game and from Tom Hart's own money.

My recollection is £1000 per game and £500 per goal. If he never turned up he never got paid.

May be wrong but that is how I remember it.


Just read this:
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/latest-hibs-news/george-best-and-hibernian-1979-1980-1488690

Says £2000 pay per play and a signing fee to Fulham.

[GreyJammies]

:hyper

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0-_MPKiCiA

[Haymaker]

:hyper

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0-_MPKiCiA

Firm agree with this post

[Yorkshire HFC]

What’s anyone seen to suggest Griffiths has no money? A rumour a while ago that he had a gambling problem?

How do so many people on here know so much about his life and what goes through his head?

Or, is everything I read on here a pure guess?

[Viva_Palmeiras]

1 in the Champions League
10in Champions League qualifying
3 in the Europa League
1 in Europa League qualifying

You’re right, not the greatest in the tournament proper. :agree:

How many did he come on when chasing the game in the last 15 mins no time at all to make an impacts so if the team have been having a nightmare. Seem to remember a few instances thinking - why leave it sooooo late to out him on? League games too he must have been tearing his hair out esp when he scores late late on.

[scoopyboy]

I haven't got proof but that's my memory of how things were at the time.

Chic Charnley had a shocking disciplinary record and, when we signed him, he was one booking away from a lengthy ban. I'm sure he was signed on the basis that he'd get paid if he played. He managed a long run of booking-free games but was eventually scuppered when he was cautioned for fighting/arguing with another Hibs player.

Best, I'm fairly sure, was paid per game and from Tom Hart's own money.

Copy of contract and at least three pay slips are the proof required here:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin

[scoopyboy]

I doubt it would be against the law but it would be nuts to agree to that. No agent would allow it for one......

A lot of players don't use agents any more, I know of a few Hibs players who negotiate their own contracts with the club.

[MWHIBBIES]

So an example from 40 years ago then :greengrin

Don't think anyone in their right mind will sign a pay per play deal. Heavily incentivised maybe but thats a different thing.

[Since90+2]

Griffiths is nowhere near at the stage of his career were his only option would be a pay as play deal.

He'll get decent offers.

[Hibbyradge]

Copy of contract and at least three pay slips are the proof required here:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin

😁

[Hibbyradge]

So an example from 40 years ago then :greengrin

Don't think anyone in their right mind will sign a pay per play deal. Heavily incentivised maybe but thats a different thing.

And Charnley, but they were just at Hibs. There will have been other similar arrangements elsewhere. Kevin Thomson played for nothing too.

I don't know why you're so determined to prove this wrong, but even a contract with a small retainer but much larger appearance payments is, in essence, the same thing.

It would only apply to players under certain circumstances although smaller basic wages with very large win bonuses are more common.

Having said that, if Hibs wanted to sign Leigh Griffiths, there's no way they'd offer anything other than a proper contact so it's an academic discussion.

[hibbysam]

So an example from 40 years ago then :greengrin

Don't think anyone in their right mind will sign a pay per play deal. Heavily incentivised maybe but thats a different thing.

Turn up to training 5 days a week, club shaft you on the Saturday and you get paid nothing 😂

[Allant1981]

Turn up to training 5 days a week, club shaft you on the Saturday and you get paid nothing 😂

Kevin Thomson done it

[Hibbyradge]

Turn up to training 5 days a week, club shaft you on the Saturday and you get paid nothing ��

What is meant by a pay as you play deal?

Under a pay as you play deal the player will be contracted to the club for a certain amount of time under a standard FA Premier League contract. The only difference to the make-up of that player’s contract than other players in the team is that player will be paid when he makes an appearance for the club.

Often the player will be on a very low base salary and has the option of increasing that by working hard and making appearances on the pitch.

Is this a desirable position for a player?

In many cases this is a desirable position for a player to enter into as it may enable him to get a contract at the same club or another club when due to his age or injury problems he would not otherwise have been able to. If the player believes that he does have the fitness to play regularly then he will believe that he will be able to play enough to still be paid enough.

In most cases this will apply to players who are entering the twilight of their career and so it can be assumed that they have earned enough during their high profile career to be able to justify being on a pay as you play deal.

From here; https://www.inbrief.co.uk/football-law/pay-as-you-play/

[Hibbyradge]

Owen Hargreaves was on a pay per game deal at Manchester United.

[MWHIBBIES]

Turn up to training 5 days a week, club shaft you on the Saturday and you get paid nothing 😂Exactly. Doesn't happen.


Kevin Thomson done itNo he didn't. He played for no money at all because he needed to get fit and play, and Hibs told him they couldn't afford him but wanted to sign him.


And Charnley, but they were just at Hibs. There will have been other similar arrangements elsewhere. Kevin Thomson played for nothing too.

I don't know why you're so determined to prove this wrong, but even a contract with a small retainer but much larger appearance payments is, in essence, the same thing.

It would only apply to players under certain circumstances although smaller basic wages with very large win bonuses are more common.

Having said that, if Hibs wanted to sign Leigh Griffiths, there's no way they'd offer anything other than a proper contact so it's an academic discussion.

I'm not determined to prove it wrong. I think its just a bit of a myth, certainly never heard of genuine recent examples. Griffiths would get a contract in line with the rest of the squad as you say, same as all others we sign. No player, regardless of injury, is going to shaft themselves like that. A leg break away from homelessness.

[MWHIBBIES]

Owen Hargreaves was on a pay per game deal at Manchester United.

No chance he was at United. They signed him for big money from Bayern. Maybe City but that was after months of posting videos online to prove his fitness, being a free agent etc.

Don't see many details of the deal online.

[Since90+2]

Pages of discussion on pay as you play deals when there is absolutely zero chance Griffiths would even consider it.

He'd arguably be Hibs best player. He's not going to take that kind of contract when literally every other player in the squad, majority of which are nowhere near his standard, wouldnt have such conditions placed on them.

[Rumble de Thump]

Owen Hargreaves was on a pay per game deal at Manchester United.

He wasn't.

[Hibbyradge]

Exactly. Doesn't happen.

No he didn't. He played for no money at all because he needed to get fit and play, and Hibs told him they couldn't afford him but wanted to sign him.



I'm not determined to prove it wrong. I think its just a bit of a myth, certainly never heard of genuine recent examples. Griffiths would get a contract in line with the rest of the squad as you say, same as all others we sign. No player, regardless of injury, is going to shaft themselves like that. A leg break away from homelessness.

You've obviously not read the article I posted above yet.

Secondly, the details of players contracts are not usually detailed on the back pages of newspapers unless they're sensationalising some eye watering salary, but this is about Hargreaves.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/sport/football/246782/Owen-Hargreaves-on-a-pay-as-you-play-deal/amp

Pay as you play deals are not common, but they are used from time to time.

[MWHIBBIES]

Pages of discussion on pay as you play deals when there is absolutely zero chance Griffiths would even consider it.

He'd arguably be Hibs best player. He's not going to take that kind of contract when literally every other player in the squad, majority of which are nowhere near his standard, wouldnt have such conditions placed on them.

Pages of quite normal discussion about something because there is zero happening with Griffiths till the season is over anyway. Whats wrong with that?

[MWHIBBIES]

You've obviously not read the article I posted above yet.

Secondly, the details of players contracts are not usually detailed on the back pages of newspapers unless they're sensationalising some eye watering salary, but this is about Hargreaves.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/sport/football/246782/Owen-Hargreaves-on-a-pay-as-you-play-deal/amp

Well he left that summer so he definitely wasn't on that deal. Other reports saying he didn't even get offered a deal.

[calumhibee1]

A leg break away from homelessness.

Especially now that we know his financial circumstances :agree:

[Hibbyradge]

Well he left that summer so he definitely wasn't on that deal. Other reports saying he didn't even get offered a deal.

Yes, but the point is that they are an option which, for some reason, you seem adamant to deny.

I know they exist. You think they don't. 90+2 can be happy now because that's the pages of discussion over! :wink:

[MWHIBBIES]

Yes, but the point is that they are an option which, for some reason, you seem adamant to deny.

I know they exist. You think they don't. 90+2 can be happy now because that's the pages of discussion over! :wink:

Of course they are an option. So is 20 quid and a fish supper every week. No professional is accepting either. Although I probably would :wink:

You just went from him being on that deal, to it being an option. But surely him refusing it and joining a rival proves that they are just not a reality.

[Ray_]

LG is not well off. Unless he can’t get a gig elsewhere he won’t be coming to us for 4k a week. Btw I’d also make sure it was a pay as you play deal.

I would imagine there would still be a lot of interest in Sparky if he was released and even allowing for his feelings towards Hibs, nobody in their right mind in his position would sign for a club who didn't have the confidence in him to give him a proper contract.

George Best's situation was entirely different, he was one of the best known players in the world, even then, he took over the front page of the London evening newspapers when he signed for Hibs and it was a big deal on the national evening news programmes & he was paid £2,000 a game and been offered contracts by English top league clubs. The reason he gave for joining Hibs was to get himself fit [and no doubt he earned well while he was doing it].

[Northernhibee]

I wouldn’t want us to offer a pay as you play deal to anyone. It’s all a bit ****my. There’s a risk to any transfer and it’s saying “we think we’ve done our research but we want to transfer any risk to you and if you get injured or can’t play then we’re not paying your bills”.

When I worked in sales a lot of opportunities came up that would be pitched as a commission only basis. I’d rather work at my local fast food restaurant for minimum wage than someone who doesn’t think my base time is worth a penny to them. Any footballer worth their salt would think the same.

[Hibbyradge]

Of course they are an option. So is 20 quid and a fish supper every week. No professional is accepting either. Although I probably would :wink:

You just went from him being on that deal, to it being an option. But surely him refusing it and joining a rival proves that they are just not a reality.

Sigh. Ok.

[MWHIBBIES]

I wouldn’t want us to offer a pay as you play deal to anyone. It’s all a bit ****my. There’s a risk to any transfer and it’s saying “we think we’ve done our research but we want to transfer any risk to you and if you get injured or can’t play then we’re not paying your bills”.

When I worked in sales a lot of opportunities came up that would be pitched as a commission only basis. I’d rather work at my local fast food restaurant for minimum wage than someone who doesn’t think my base time is worth a penny to them. Any footballer worth their salt would think the same.

Correct

[Sioux]

Pay per game is just the same as zero hour contracts. Anyone going to insist that these don't exist?

[Hibby70]

Now trying to remember who Charnley had the bust up with. I'm sure folk round about me started booing him afterwards.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

Now trying to remember who Charnley had the bust up with. I'm sure folk round about me started booing him afterwards.

Brian Mcglaughlin

[MWHIBBIES]

Pay per game is just the same as zero hour contracts. Anyone going to insist that these don't exist?

Is isn't the same. With a pay per play, you could work (train) all week and if you don't get picked on Saturday, you get nothing. Zero hour contracts are awful, but you do actually get paid for your work, even if its just an hour.

[Hibby70]

Brian Mcglaughlin

Assume you meant Joe McLaughlan. And I think you're right.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

Assume you meant Joe McLaughlan. And I think you're right.

That’s the one.

[04Sauzee]

I noticed Celtic have managed to off load Klimala to NY Red Bulls and Celtic are expected to recoup the £3.5m fee they paid for him.
He has scored 3 goals in 24 appearances for Celtic. I'm not sure how many minutes he got?
His last goal for Celtic came in the 4th October 2020.

[GreyJammies]

:hyper

[Is It On....]

Of course they are an option. So is 20 quid and a fish supper every week. No professional is accepting either. Although I probably would :wink:

You just went from him being on that deal, to it being an option. But surely him refusing it and joining a rival proves that they are just not a reality.

"20 quid and a fish supper". Made me chuckle 🙂

[CMurdoch]

I noticed Celtic have managed to off load Klimala to NY Red Bulls and Celtic are expected to recoup the £3.5m fee they paid for him.
He has scored 3 goals in 24 appearances for Celtic. I'm not sure how many minutes he got?
His last goal for Celtic came in the 4th October 2020.

When I looked recently Klimala was the only first team player who had played less minutes of league football for Celtic than Leigh Griffiths.
As for getting their money back I suspect the deal has been cut by NYRB with lots of clauses and Celtics return will be heavily dependent on Klimala doing well plus a sell on cut otherwise they could be looking at a big fat loss.
They have obviously positively spun the story but the truth is Klimala failed big time and they have cut their losses and this deal ditches his big salary.

They now have a week to decide whether to take up the year option on Leighs contract at an eye watering £19k a week (circa).
No chance they will take that up but might subsequently start negotiating at about £9k a week which is double what Hibs would be offering.

[WhileTheChief..]

A leg break away from homelessness.

Yet when we were discussing Doig’s future recently and that was pointed out to you, you rubbished the idea saying injuries like that don’t happen these days.

Can’t have it both ways.

[MWHIBBIES]

Yet when we were discussing Doig’s future recently and that was pointed out to you, you rubbished the idea saying injuries like that don’t happen these days.

Can’t have it both ways.

Right, so you have a 1 year, pay as you play deal. You break your leg in pre season and earn nothing for 8 months or so. Doesn't need to be a career ending injury, just a bad one and its a huge problem for the player.

Josh breaks his leg this summer. Comes back after 8 months, and gets back to a similar level, and we get a good fee. He still gets paid for the entireity of his contract.

Can you see how those two things are completely different? I'm not trying to have it both ways. I'm talking about 2 completely different scenarios. I never said the player on the pay per play deal wouldn't play again. He just wouldn't earn any money for months. I did not rubbish the idea, I just said its not a something I'd account for. I didn't say broken legs didn't happen.

[Lago]

All this speculation is irrelevant, he won't be signing for Hibs.

[Haymaker]

:hyper

[Jim44]

All this speculation is irrelevant, he won't be signing for Hibs.

Said with authority. That’ll be that then. Close the thread.:greengrin

[SteveHFC]

All this speculation is irrelevant, he won't be signing for Hibs.

:hyper

[Bangkok Hibby]

:hyper

Not trying to be smart but what am I missing here? Is this all you ever post?

[allezsauzee]

Not trying to be smart but what am I missing here? Is this all you ever post?

:hyper

[Haymaker]

Not trying to be smart but what am I missing here? Is this all you ever post?

It's not all I post. I occasionally post :hyper :hyper

[Highwayman]

All this speculation is irrelevant, he won't be signing for Hibs.

Agreed it’s all speculation pending as to whether Sellick are or aren’t going to offer him a one year extension to his contract.Can anyone confirm that due date for offer is 30th April.

[HoboHarry]

Not trying to be smart but what am I missing here? Is this all you ever post?
It is but only because that's all Haymaker has time to post before the very mention of the name Leigh Griffiths leads to him to involuntarily putting his hands in his drawers...... :greengrin

[CMurdoch]

Agreed it’s all speculation pending as to whether Sellick are or aren’t going to offer him a one year extension to his contract.Can anyone confirm that due date for offer is 30th April.

It's what I read from what I thought at the time was a credible source.
However, I have since forgotten what the source was.
That's old age for you!

[Since452]

It all depends if Alan Pardew or whoever gets the Celtic job fancies Leigh or not

[calumhibee1]

It's not all I post. I occasionally post :hyper :hyper

:greengrin

[Iggy Pope]

It's not all I post. I occasionally post :hyper :hyper

Auld age sets in, has Leigh been the only one that has prompted this activity Haymaker? Was Deek once a recipient of this anticipation / adoration too?

[oldbutdim]

Not trying to be smart but what am I missing here? Is this all you ever post?

Put him on ignore.
I have.

[Haymaker]

Auld age sets in, has Leigh been the only one that has prompted this activity Haymaker? Was Deek once a recipient of this anticipation / adoration too?

I am very much in the 'bring Deeks home' camp yes

[1875godsgift]

I am very much in the 'bring Deeks home' camp yes

:hyper

[SaulGoodman]

Put him on ignore.
I have.

You must be fun at parties :greengrin

[Haymaker]

:hyper

Reckon he could still do a job for us. :agree:

[Haymaker]

Put him on ignore.
I have.

Which is what the ignore function is for :agree:

Probably half the posters on here have done.

[hibee-boys]

Not trying to be smart but what am I missing here? Is this all you ever post?

I must be childish but it makes me laugh every time 🤷🏼😂

[hibee-boys]

Put him on ignore.
I have.

Some people take life a little too seriously #freehaymaker

[jacomo]

It all depends if Alan Pardew or whoever gets the Celtic job fancies Leigh or not


Alan Pardew!

Just what Celtc need... a calm and thoughtful presence in the eye of the Old Firm storm.

What’s Nigel Pearson up to these days?

[jacomo]

Reckon he could still do a job for us. :agree:


There you go.

[neil7908]

It's not all I post. I occasionally post :hyper :hyper

And having just read the last few pages of this thread your contributions are as interesting (if not more so) than most.

[Aldo]

And having just read the last few pages of this thread your contributions are as interesting (if not more so) than most.

At least they are not controversial or cause any issues.... [emoji15]

I like the way Haymaker uses them for all types of posts... all about interpretation! [emoji85]


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[Northernhibee]

Put him on ignore.
I have.

:hyper

[BoltonHibee]

Alan Pardew!

Just what Celtc need... a calm and thoughtful presence in the eye of the Old Firm storm.

What’s Nigel Pearson up to these days?

I heard Mark Hughes yesterday. Howe is playing with them apparently. ( I suspect this titbit came from a well known journalist - to a pal of mine)


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[Brightside]

Which is what the ignore function is for :agree:

Probably half the posters on here have done.

There are about 30 to add before you. :greengrin

[Hibbyradge]

There are about 30 to add before you. :greengrin

Who said that?

[oneone73]

Did someone just quote Brightside?

[Hibbyradge]

Is there anybody there? :paranoid:

[Bangkok Hibby]

Which is what the ignore function is for :agree:

Probably half the posters on here have done.

Well not me. Up to you what and how you post. I'm relatively new here so thought I might be missing something.

[J-C]

Did someone just quote Brightside?


Unless you're on your phone and you see the quotes from the people on ignore, oh the joy of using a laptop/computer. :greengrin

[A Hi-Bee]

Will he wont he, we just have to wait a little bit more then we can all find out without spouting off all this pisch that we see.
Bring him home if we can

:thumbsup:

[RoYO!]

I must be childish but it makes me laugh every time 🤷🏼😂

Yep, 100% of the time! 😆

[Haymaker]

Well not me. Up to you what and how you post. I'm relatively new here so thought I might be missing something.

No problem :hyper

[S4uzee]

I must be childish but it makes me laugh every time 🤷🏼😂

Me too

[Lago]

[QUOTE=Bangkok Hibby;6536364]Not trying to be smart but what am I missing here? Is this all you ever post?[
Think it maybe called an American sense of humour, who knows.

[Haymaker]

[QUOTE=Bangkok Hibby;6536364]Not trying to be smart but what am I missing here? Is this all you ever post?[
Think it maybe called an American sense of humour, who knows.

I have lived here for 5 years so could be...

[Cat Stanton]

[QUOTE=Bangkok Hibby;6536364]Not trying to be smart but what am I missing here? Is this all you ever post?[
Think it maybe called an American sense of humour, who knows.

I'd be disappointed if he did anything else.

Always makes me laugh.

[NOLA]

If he applies himself properly he’s a very good player in the SPL, he’d have to take a drop in wages to come here and he has a lot of mouths to feed I can see him going back to the English championship

[Jim44]

If he applies himself properly he’s a very good player in the SPL, he’d have to take a drop in wages to come here and he has a lot of mouths to feed I can see him going back to the English championship

I think he’ll be wanting to be near those mouths to be fed and earning the most he can get. If Celtic let him go I think folk should prepare themselves for the likelihood that he’ll be off to Aberdeen.

[Haymaker]

:hyper

[Spudster]

I think he’ll be wanting to be near those mouths to be fed and earning the most he can get. If Celtic let him go I think folk should prepare themselves for the likelihood that he’ll be off to Aberdeen.

Aberdeen don’t want him though.

[Jim44]

Aberdeen don’t want him though.

So they say.:rolleyes: After yesterday’s shambles I think they’ll be looking at all possibilities for next season.

[superfurryhibby]

I think he’ll be wanting to be near those mouths to be fed and earning the most he can get. If Celtic let him go I think folk should prepare themselves for the likelihood that he’ll be off to Aberdeen.


Aberdeen isn’t near to those mouths that need fed. If Celtic don’t want him and Hibs do, he’ll be playing his football at ER next season.

[calumhibee1]

Aberdeen isn’t near to those mouths that need fed. If Celtic don’t want him and Hibs do, he’ll be playing his football at ER next season.

Are some of his kids not in Dundee?

[superfurryhibby]

Are some of his kids not in Dundee?

Who knows tbh.

One thing I do know though is that no one knows where Leigh ( not even the man himself) will be playing football next season, so we needn’t prepare ourselves for him going to Aberdeen.

[Jim44]

I wonder if Celtic will announce today whether they are taking up the one year option on Griffiths.

[O'Rourke3]

Are some of his kids not in Dundee?And Wolverhampton...

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[1van Sprou7e]

Rumours that he refused to play when Kennedy tried to sub him in yesterday :hmmm:

[Lancs Harp]

I wonder if Celtic will announce today whether they are taking up the one year option on Griffiths.

If Celtic are rebuilding then surely Griffiths moving on is part of that rebuild. Be shocked if he's at Parkhead next season

[007]

Rumours that he refused to play when Kennedy tried to sub him in yesterday :hmmm:

🤞

If true then it sounds like not only is the 1 year option not happening but also an offer on reduced terms isn't happening either. Maybe they gave him such a low offer he thought it an insult, which I believe is what they did with Craig Gordon.

[Magpie]

If Celtic are rebuilding then surely Griffiths moving on is part of that rebuild. Be shocked if he's at Parkhead next season

I heard that Eddie Howe will be announced once the season ends. Howe will already be assessing the team and planning for next season. I be surprised if Leigh is a Celtic player next season.

[Onion]

Whoever wins the Scottish Cup gets to buy Griffiths.

[Lancs Harp]

I heard that Eddie Howe will be announced once the season ends. Howe will already be assessing the team and planning for next season. I be surprised if Leigh is a Celtic player next season.

News down here is Howe wants a Premier League gig and is waiting until the end of the season to see what positions become available. Dont think he's over enthusiastic about he Celtic job.

[ancient hibee]

You would think Celtic would tell Howe they want an answer now.They’ve made a huge botch of this as they have with every big decision over the last year starting with getting rid of Gordon.

[ian cruise]

Not trying to be smart but what am I missing here? Is this all you ever?

Think it maybe called an American sense of humour, who knows.

I'd dispute it's American humour, it's very much a trope established by British comedy such as Monty Python and carried on through programmes such as The Fast Show.

The humour is in the repetition and the recognition that the punchline is coming is what appeals to some, it creates a feeling of being "in in the joke".

Some American shows such as Family Guy have used this to great effect, though arguably the reliance on the repetition of punchlines has over time become the reason it has been deemed to have dropped in quality.

As to whether Haymaker's excited response is humorous or humourless, that's up to the individual. Personally, I'm a fan.

[GreyJammies]

:hyper

[WhileTheChief..]

https://youtu.be/2WZLJpMOxS4

[Hibbyradge]

I'd dispute it's American humour, it's very much a trope established by British comedy such as Monty Python and carried on through programmes such as The Fast Show.

The humour is in the repetition and the recognition that the punchline is coming is what appeals to some, it creates a feeling of being "in in the joke".

Some American shows such as Family Guy have used this to great effect, though arguably the reliance on the repetition of punchlines has over time become the reason it has been deemed to have dropped in quality.

As to whether Haymaker's excited response is humorous or humourless, that's up to the individual. Personally, I'm a fan.

All true, but for repetition to be funny, it needs to be well timed, and repeated sparingly.

Most sketch show have repeated gags, but only ever once per show.

Think of Victor and Jack saying "2 pints prick" or Catherine Tate's Nan saying "What a f***ing liberty" etc etc.

We're all waiting on the line, but we only got it once a week.

Haymaker's gag is fine, but it would be funnier if it was used more sparingly, imo

[Haymaker]

:hyper

I agree :agree:

[MWHIBBIES]

Rumours that he refused to play when Kennedy tried to sub him in yesterday :hmmm:
Very unprofessional if true.

[1van Sprou7e]

Very unprofessional if true.

And cowardly. IF it is true (may well be slavers of course) then I honestly don't want him here

[calumhibee1]

I’d be stunned if that was true about LG.

[Saint Hibee]

Rumours that he refused to play when Kennedy tried to sub him in yesterday :hmmm:
I just can't believe that that's true.

[Hibs Class]

So they say.:rolleyes: After yesterday’s shambles I think they’ll be looking at all possibilities for next season.

Presumably their view will be well informed by Scott Brown's opinion on whether or not he'd be a worthwhile signing.

[Vault Boy]

Worth noting that no team in the country has more fictional ITK crap written about them than Celtic. It's sort of a meme at this point.

That's not to say it's definitely untrue, but I'd be hesitant to believe it.

[Hibernian Verse]

Worth noting that no team in the country has more fictional ITK crap written about them than Celtic. It's sort of a meme at this point.

That's not to say it's definitely untrue, but I'd be hesitant to believe it.

You say that, but Scott Brown told McGregor to get sent off so he misses a game and is fresh when they play us to give Aberdeen the best possible chance of finishing 3rd...