Scottish Election 2021

[Hibrandenburg]

Aberdeen East held

[weecounty hibby]

Does anyone know what the Tory vote share was in 2016 when they won the election campaigning for a Brexit referendum. Would be interesting compare with the SNP vote share while campaigning for an independence referendum.

[Moulin Yarns]

Yes. But also bear in mind that Labour, Conservative and LD have received 896,000 constituency votes. Not as amazing as one single party but important nevertheless re voter positions.

The only way that would matter is if they had amalgamate into the +LaConLD party, but they didn't. They may hae the single aim of stopping the SNP but it doesn't work while they split their vote. :greengrin

[Callum_62]

Yes. But also bear in mind that Labour, Conservative and LD have received 896,000 constituency votes. Not as amazing as one single party but important nevertheless re voter positions.And thats were our system tries to represent them - which I think is a good thing overall

What's happening through is the results are being reported on a FPTP level

One party has absolutely dominated the election

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[Hibby Bairn]

The only way that would matter is if they had amalgamate into the +LaConLD party, but they didn't. They may hae the single aim of stopping the SNP but it doesn't work while they split their vote. :greengrin

Important in the context of the Indy question though.

[Moulin Yarns]

Important in the context of the Indy question though.

Are we not electing the next Scottish parliament? 🤔

[ronaldo7]

Yes. But also bear in mind that Labour, Conservative and LD have received 896,000 constituency votes. Not as amazing as one single party but important nevertheless re voter positions.

If you're trying to extrapolate from the numbers, and place it in a referendum perspective, I think you might have some difficulty. People voting in all parties will have different opinions about that. I was merely indicating how well the SNP were doing. 👍

[Hibby Bairn]

And thats were our system tries to represent them - which I think is a good thing overall

What's happening through is the results are being reported on a FPTP level

One party has absolutely dominated the election

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Which is fine re forming SG. But still shows the potential split re voter positions re Indy question.

[Hibby Bairn]

Are we not electing the next Scottish parliament? 🤔

Of course. But more people are voting for so called "unionist parties" than Indy parties.


Of course not an exact science. But the bigger picture here is important beyond just winning fptp constituency seats.

[Callum_62]

Which is fine re forming SG. But still shows the potential split re voter positions re Indy question.Potentially but the only way we will know that is asking the question

If our parliament votes through the want to ask that question then it should be formality in being approved

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[Moulin Yarns]

If anyone is questioning the percentage vote for the SNP, be aware that the Cameron government of 2015 got 36.9% to be elected on the promise of a referendum on EU membership. 🙄

[lapsedhibee]

more people are voting for so called "unionist parties" than Indy parties.


? :confused:

[Callum_62]

If anyone is questioning the percentage vote for the SNP, be aware that the Cameron government of 2015 got 36.9% to be elected on the promise of a referendum on EU membership. [emoji849]I bet that was challenged all over the press too, right?

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[Moulin Yarns]

Of course. But more people are voting for so called "unionist parties" than Indy parties.


Of course not an exact science. But the bigger picture here is important beyond just winning fptp constituency seats.

Are you suggesting that the current election should also be a defacto independence referendum 🤔👍😁

[JeMeSouviens]

For me it has to be easier to understand to be fair. People have different levels of understanding, some will get the system, some won't. Some might put in a shift with a spreadsheet, I'd say that would be quite uncommon though :greengrin. I prefer the Scottish system too, but I get why it was rejected in a referendum as the preferred option for voting in GE's

The UK ref on electoral reform was for Alternative Vote which isn’t proportional and is nothing like the Additional Member system used in Scotland.

[weecounty hibby]

If anyone is questioning the percentage vote for the SNP, be aware that the Cameron government of 2015 got 36.9% to be elected on the promise of a referendum on EU membership. 🙄

Thanks for that. That is the answer to the question I asked a wee while ago. So 37% of the vote allows you to hold a referendum. Interesting

[Bristolhibby]

The system of proportional representation that was rejected in the referendum in 2011 isn't the same as the system used in Scottish elections.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_United_Kingdom_Alternative_Vote_referendum


Voters would have scored the candidates in preferred order, votes counted with the lowest dropped and their second preference then redistributed, and so on until we get a winner.

You think our system is difficult for people to understand?

I actually liked it as a concept (and voted for it).

For me, I will vote Labour say, when that vote gets lost, I want my vote to switch to Lib Dems.

That way I can maximise the value of my vote, it doesn’t get lost in FPTP.

It wasn’t marketed well as both Labour and Tories benefit from FPTP (as do the SNP in Westminster BTW).

I liked this at the time.

https://images.app.goo.gl/eHkLxZoEgHK9vBuZ6

J

[Moulin Yarns]

Thanks for that. That is the answer to the question I asked a wee while ago. So 37% of the vote allows you to hold a referendum. Interesting

I knew it had been asked, just couldn't find it to reply 👍

[Santa Cruz]

The UK ref on electoral reform was for Alternative Vote which isn’t proportional and is nothing like the Additional Member system used in Scotland.

Yeah, I know it wasn't the same. It was an alternative to FPTP. It was rejected, imo because voters like straightforward easier to understand systems. Think people might be getting bored with this chat now, I'm not looking to labour the point, I'm just being courteous in responding. :aok:

Can they hurry it up with Edinburgh North, I've got my food shop coming...

[Bristolhibby]

Thanks for that. That is the answer to the question I asked a wee while ago. So 37% of the vote allows you to hold a referendum. Interesting

40% allows you to form a Government in Westminster. So yes, that is how it works.

The referendum itself is 50% + 1.

J

[Ozyhibby]

Which is fine re forming SG. But still shows the potential split re voter positions re Indy question.

Nobody is surely denying that? The split is very real and about 50/50 right now in Scotland.
However, the parliament will bring forward legislation for a vote on the issue and it will pass. That’s the govt the Scottish people have returned.
It will then be law in Scotland. If the govt in England want to challenge that then it’s up to them. I think that would be a mistake.


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[Hibby Bairn]

Nobody is surely denying that? The split is very real and about 50/50 right now in Scotland.
However, the parliament will bring forward legislation for a vote on the issue and it will pass. That’s the govt the Scottish people have returned.
It will then be law in Scotland. If the govt in England want to challenge that then it’s up to them. I think that would be a mistake.


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I agree. That's the democratic position and it will happen. Then it depends on how strong and convincing the arguments are. If it doesn't get a Yes vote this time then that's it for many years.

[Callum_62]

I agree. That's the democratic position and it will happen. Then it depends on how strong and convincing the arguments are. If it doesn't get a Yes vote this time then that's it for many years.It can't see anything happening in the medium tern that would be big enough to revisit the question

Brexit and the EU ref won't be happening again

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[CloudSquall]

Around 35% of Labour voters are pro Indy so that's one big pro majority in parliament we have on our hands:greengrin

[Callum_62]

Any word on how the greens are doing?

I suspected alot of list votes would be going there way but maybe that's not happened

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[Jack]

I agree. That's the democratic position and it will happen. Then it depends on how strong and convincing the arguments are. If it doesn't get a Yes vote this time then that's it for many years.

If independence doesn't get a yes vote but the people of Scotland vote in future for a party or parties with a referendum in their manifesto then they win the right to hold another referendum, ad infinitum.

[blaikie]

Annie Wells crashing on Sky News under questioning from Boulton.

[lapsedhibee]

If independence doesn't get a yes vote but the people of Scotland vote in future for a party or parties with a referendum in their manifesto then they win the right to hold another referendum, ad infinitum.

No reason whatsoever why a question about a referendum on indy, or on anything else, shouldn't arise every five years.

[Colr]

I actually liked it as a concept (and voted for it).

For me, I will vote Labour say, when that vote gets lost, I want my vote to switch to Lib Dems.

That way I can maximise the value of my vote, it doesn’t get lost in FPTP.

It wasn’t marketed well as both Labour and Tories benefit from FPTP (as do the SNP in Westminster BTW).

I liked this at the time.

https://images.app.goo.gl/eHkLxZoEgHK9vBuZ6

J

I voted against it. The UK system of government delivered strong government constrained by a system of conventions and the importance placed on the personal integrity of those involved.

I was wrong.

[Moulin Yarns]

SNP share of the list vote in Perthshire North - 40.0%

Greens share of the list vote in Perthshire North - 8.0%

Alba share of the list vote in Perthshire North - 1.6%

Stevie, any chance you can give me the percentages for the other list votes?

Cheers.

[StevieC]

If a voter is involved enough they will be aware of the mechanics of the electoral system. If they are happy to just go and put a cross in a box on 2 papers against either the party or the person who they prefer then that's fine.

If someone wants to know how the system works before voting then they can easily find explanations how the list seats are calculated.


I get what you are saying ..

.. but after spending a very frustrating hour trying to explain the voting system to my other half (and subsequently spending the last two nights on the couch in the living room) I may actually side with Santa Cruz on this one 😉

[Moulin Yarns]

I get what you are saying ..

.. but after spending a very frustrating hour trying to explain the voting system to my other half (and subsequently spending the last two nights on the couch in the living room) I may actually side with Santa Cruz on this one ��

:greengrin

I had the same problem, my better half switched between both votes SNP, SNP1 Alba2 and SNP 1 Green 2. I really hope she did the right thing. :wink:


OH LOOK what the BBC has just put up

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-56995136?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=6096705030a9c902dd51878d%26How%20does% 20Scotland%E2%80%99s%20voting%20system%20work%3F%2 62021-05-08T11%3A08%3A55.421Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:10b31b17-86dd-4886-86aa-aaea5eefa888&pinned_post_asset_id=6096705030a9c902dd51878d&pinned_post_type=share

[Glory Lurker]

I do think the unionist swings could frustrate the SNP in at least a couple of seats today.

[Moulin Yarns]

SNP share of the list vote in Perthshire North - 40.0%

Greens share of the list vote in Perthshire North - 8.0%

Alba share of the list vote in Perthshire North - 1.6%

Using these figures, and the 2016 percentages for Con, Lab and LD Mid Scotland and Fife stays the same

SNP 8
Con 4
Lab 2
LD 1
Green 1

The only difference is the placing of the Green and Con 4 swapping the last 2 seats

[Moulin Yarns]

Aberdeenshire South

SNP 16500

Lab 4505

Con 14829

LD 2889

[Moulin Yarns]

Of course. But more people are voting for so called "unionist parties" than Indy parties.


Of course not an exact science. But the bigger picture here is important beyond just winning fptp constituency seats.

Interesting looking at the share of the vote so far, is that despite the crazy swings between Lab and Con to try and defeat the SNP, the SNP share and the Green share of the vote is up while the other 3 parties are down:greengrin

[StevieC]

Stevie, any chance you can give me the percentages for the other list votes?

Cheers.

24655

The Perth South results expected in shortly.

[SHODAN]

David Mundell thinks it will be a majority. Does he know something we don't?

[Hibrandenburg]

I was just thinking that if pro union parties continue to abandon their own parties in favour of the strongest opposition to the SNP in the list vote, then that could actually mean the SNP might pick up a few list seats.

[SHODAN]

I was just thinking that if pro union parties continue to abandon their own parties in favour of the strongest opposition to the SNP in the list vote, then that could actually mean the SNP might pick up a few list seats.

Omg that would be perfect

[cabbageandribs1875]

Renfrewshire south

SNP Hold

Dundee East

SNP Hold increased maj



god i luv Dundee

[Moulin Yarns]

Renfrewshire south SNP Hold







Dundee East SNP HOLD 59%

[Moulin Yarns]

24655

The Perth South results expected in shortly.


Cheers for that :thumbsup:

[Moulin Yarns]

Renfrewshire south

SNP Hold

Dundee East

SNP Hold increased maj



god i luv Dundee

Go to make some toast for lunch it all happens :greengrin

[Ryan91]

David Mundell thinks it will be a majority. Does he know something we don't?

BBC website only posted a brief bit, but surprised he's not used the "divisive referendum" line that all the other Conservatives seem to be trotting out. No doubt he'll get a talking to by senior Tories later for not following the party line

[lord bunberry]

Does everyone from Edinburgh university have a half American half Scottish accent?

[cabbageandribs1875]

Go to make some toast for lunch it all happens :greengrin



apparently there's a wee game of footy later this afternoon as well, how inconvenient of the football authorities :grr:

[Glory Lurker]

Martin Giesler mentioning that he wished the United team well this morning. Boooooo!

[Moulin Yarns]

Martin Giesler mentioning that he wished the United team well this morning. Boooooo!

Fat Jambo!!

[lord bunberry]

Martin Giesler mentioning that he wished the United team well this morning. Boooooo!
It’s all the Jambo’s have got left, hoping wee fail.

[Sir David Gray]

Important in the context of the Indy question though.

:agree: I think most people on here know my views on the SNP and independence but I do accept that if pro-independence parties hold a majority of seats after this election then the landscape has changed enough over the last few years with the EU vote to warrant calls for another independence referendum.

With a yes/no referendum though it doesn't matter about seat numbers, it's all about getting over the 50% threshold and it will take a brave call from the pro-independence side to call a referendum off the back of this election if pro-independence parties win less than 50% of the vote.

[Skol]

:agree: I think most people on here know my views on the SNP and independence but I do accept that if pro-independence parties hold a majority of seats after this election then the landscape has changed enough over the last few years with the EU vote to warrant calls for another independence referendum.

With a yes/no referendum though it doesn't matter about seat numbers, it's all about getting over the 50% threshold and it will take a brave call from the pro-independence side to call a referendum off the back of this election if pro-independence parties win less than 50% of the vote.

I am pretty certain that Boris will not turn down a request for a referendum during this Holyrood term. That will be because no one asks him the question.

[Silky]

Martin Giesler mentioning that he wished the United team well this morning. Boooooo!

Giesler's a slavering Jambo welt.

[Callum_62]

I am pretty certain that Boris will not turn down a request for a referendum during this Holyrood term. That will be because no one asks him the question.Not according to the FM
https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/1390983399859531776?s=19

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[ronaldo7]

I never said all voters, but I would say many across all Party's. I referenced the SNP in response to MY's point about both votes to the SNP.


Thanks. If you don't mind me asking, did you vote both votes Labour?

SC

You may have missed this question in the flurry of results. If you don't want to answer, I fully appreciate that.

:dunno:

[Hibrandenburg]

:agree: I think most people on here know my views on the SNP and independence but I do accept that if pro-independence parties hold a majority of seats after this election then the landscape has changed enough over the last few years with the EU vote to warrant calls for another independence referendum.

With a yes/no referendum though it doesn't matter about seat numbers, it's all about getting over the 50% threshold and it will take a brave call from the pro-independence side to call a referendum off the back of this election if pro-independence parties win less than 50% of the vote.

Fair point. I'm just certain that there are more pro Indy voters who vote for unionist parties than No voters who vote for the SNP. I think most undecideds will be either Lab/Con/Lib Dem, that would also explain opinion polls showing yes having their nose ahead.

[Skol]

Not according to the FM
https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/1390983399859531776?s=19

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She has made many statements in the past that have not happened. We just need to wait and see, but its pretty clear 2 years will pass for Covid recovery and then she has to judge if she thinks there is enough support to win. I dont think she will follow through on her promise

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210508/b56d4ca2515c4b3bd1447830b3f635de.jpg


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[Stick]

In the Highlands and Islands region, it looks like if Alba take more than 1.6% of the votes, then they will cost the snp 1 seat which will go to the Tories. Unless the snp increase their votes by enough to counterbalance this. A lot of ifs and maybes, but interesting. This is what I feared might happen, the Alba votes don’t reach enough numbers to gain any seats, but cost the snp.

[Future17]

Fair point. I'm just certain that there are more pro Indy voters who vote for unionist parties than No voters who vote for the SNP. I think most undecideds will be either Lab/Con/Lib Dem, that would also explain opinion polls showing yes having their nose ahead.

I was wondering about this recently. I would have said the opposite prior to this election, but I've heard a few people say they're pro independence but voted Labour this time.

[CloudSquall]

Alba are going to F this all up aren't they:boo hoo::grr:

[Hibrandenburg]

In the Highlands and Islands region, it looks like if Alba take more than 1.6% of the votes, then they will cost the snp 1 seat which will go to the Tories. Unless the snp increase their votes by enough to counterbalance this. A lot of ifs and maybes, but interesting. This is what I feared might happen, the Alba votes don’t reach enough numbers to gain any seats, but cost the snp.

If the trend of Labour and the Tories supporting each other continues into the list vote, then there's a decent chance that there will be only 2 parties with a high number of votes that could nick them the last or second to last list seat after their votes have been divided by the D'Hondt method.

[oneone73]

I was wondering about this recently. I would have said the opposite prior to this election, but I've heard a few people say they're pro independence but voted Labour this time.

That makes no sense to me

[Moulin Yarns]

Perth South (my boss again )

SNP 20126

Lab 2943

Con 18178

LD 2823

[Glory Lurker]

I wonder if Nicola McEwan is a Hibbie?

[weecounty hibby]

Perth South (my boss again )

SNP 20126

Lab 2943

Con 18178

LD 2823

That was a big target seat for the ConLab party as well. Great hold

[CloudSquall]

I'm guessing Mundell and co are talking about a majority in order to paint their eventual holding of seats that the SNP need as some sort of galactic victory and the media can run with the "HUGE BLOW TO STURGEON" line as if 63 or 64 seats is a gigantic failure.

[Moulin Yarns]

Using the figures for Perthshire North as a guide for Mid Scotland and Fife

Tories get 5 list seats (up1)
Lab 1 list seat (down 1)
Green 1 list seat NC
LibDem 1 Constituency seat NC
SNP 8 Constituency seats NC

[lapsedhibee]

Alba are going to F this all up aren't they:boo hoo::grr:

No, because in the new parliament there will be a very clear majority of MSPs in favour of a referendum.

[ronaldo7]

Perth South (my boss again )

SNP 20126

Lab 2943

Con 18178

LD 2823

Fantastic hold, as the Tories threw everything at this seat. :aok:

[Moulin Yarns]

If the trend of Labour and the Tories supporting each other continues into the list vote, then there's a decent chance that there will be only 2 parties with a high number of votes that could nick them the last or second to last list seat after their votes have been divided by the D'Hondt method.

Funny you should say that. A big switch from Labour and LD to the tories has given an extra list seat to Tory.


Using the figures for Perthshire North as a guide for Mid Scotland and Fife

Tories get 5 list seats (up1)
Lab 1 list seat (down 1)
Green 1 list seat NC
LibDem 1 Constituency seat NC
SNP 8 Constituency seats NC

[Moulin Yarns]

Fantastic hold, as the Tories threw everything at this seat. :aok:

Liz Smith, like Murdo ****ing Fraser will still get in on the list, unfortunately.

[StevieC]

Perth South (my boss again )

SNP 20126

Lab 2943

Con 18178

LD 2823

The hard work that Jim and the branches has put in has paid off. Great result considering Jim is a new relatively unknown candidate, and what the Tories threw at the constituency in the way of leaflets etc.
I was also a little worried as I was getting some mixed messages on the doors when I was out canvassing with Jim and councillors over the last couple of weeks.

[Moulin Yarns]

The hard work that Jim and the branches has put in has paid off. Great result considering Jim is a new relatively unknown candidate, and what the Tories threw at the constituency in the way of leaflets etc.
I was also a little worried as I was getting some mixed messages on the doors when I was out canvassing with Jim and councillors over the last couple of weeks.

:thumbsup:

good work there.

[Bangkok Hibby]

I am pretty certain that Boris will not turn down a request for a referendum during this Holyrood term. That will be because no one asks him the question.

"Constitutional tinkering" according to George Eustice. Arrogant condescending *******.

[ronaldo7]

The hard work that Jim and the branches has put in has paid off. Great result considering Jim is a new relatively unknown candidate, and what the Tories threw at the constituency in the way of leaflets etc.
I was also a little worried as I was getting some mixed messages on the doors when I was out canvassing with Jim and councillors over the last couple of weeks.

:clapper: Well played, Stevie.

[Moulin Yarns]

Cumbernauld

SNP 19633

Lab 9792

Con 3375

LD 678

[Santa Cruz]

SC

You may have missed this question in the flurry of results. If you don't want to answer, I fully appreciate that.

:dunno:

Oh sorry I did. I'm curious as to why you are interested specifically in my vote strategy, if you don't mind me asking, is there a reason?

[ronaldo7]

Oh sorry I did. I'm curious as to why you are interested specifically in my vote strategy, if you don't mind me asking, is there a reason?

Your stance on people voting for the same party twice, as indicated in the thread. All good if you want to keep your strategy quiet. Many do. :greengrin

[Moulin Yarns]

Uddingston SNP Hold

Falkirk West SNP Hold

[Santa Cruz]

Your stance on people voting for the same party twice, as indicated in the thread. All good if you want to keep your strategy quiet. Many do. :greengrin

It's not a stance, possibly I haven't worded it well. It wouldn't be a good strategy for certain party's who are in safe seats, which lets face it, is the SNP. In my case highly unlikely to the point of won't happen that Labour will take the seat from the SNP. So my thinking was both votes Labour, at best maybe close the gap and take a List seat.

Do you mind me asking who you gave your second vote to? No probs if you'd prefer not to answer. :aok:

[Moulin Yarns]

Flamin Nora

A declaration in Glasgow, but Martin G decides to continue interviewing Patrick Harvey

Glasgow Provan SNP Hold

Annie Wells in 3rd only 321 votes ahead of the Greens who stood in the constituency for the first time


That takes the SNP vote to 1,006,020

[ronaldo7]

It's not a stance, possibly I haven't worded it well. It wouldn't be a good strategy for certain party's who are in safe seats, which lets face it, is the SNP. In my case highly unlikely to the point of won't happen that Labour will take the seat from the SNP. So my thinking was both votes Labour, at best maybe close the gap and take a List seat.

Do you mind me asking who you gave your second vote to? No probs if you'd prefer not to answer. :aok:

No problem whatsoever. I'm an SNP member, who's wanted my party to go further on Land reform. I've mentioned it here many a time. Given the work that the Greens do in this regard, and living in the Lothians, (and not much chance of SNP list seats) I've given it to them.

I'm happy for my vote to be going to another left of centre party. Not sure I could live with myself if I'd given anything to the Tories, Red or Blue. :greengrin

Mon the Greens. :wink:

[Santa Cruz]

Flamin Nora

A declaration in Glasgow, but Martin G decides to continue interviewing Patrick Harvey

Glasgow Provan SNP Hold

what channel you watching MY?

[cabbageandribs1875]

switched on bbc election news for the first time today, saw it was c*c*womble Dross so flicked back off, lasted all of 1.2 seconds

[Moulin Yarns]

what channel you watching MY?

BBC 1 Scotland

[Moulin Yarns]

switched on bbc election news for the first time today, saw it was c*c*womble Dross so flicked back off, lasted all of 1.2 seconds

You managed to get the headline news of DRoss arriving at the count. I'm surprised it isn't running on a loop for the rest of the afternoon.

[Santa Cruz]

BBC 1 Scotland

Ta.

[Moulin Yarns]

Ta.

Wanna take over the updates :wink:

[Moulin Yarns]

Almond valley

SNP Hold


Oh!!

Mid Fife and Glenrothes also SNP Hold

[Callum_62]

Almond valley

SNP HoldWith an increased majority

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[Callum_62]

Edinburgh North 1 case of voter fraud being investigated

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[Bostonhibby]

Alba are going to F this all up aren't they:boo hoo::grr:Salmond might get his knighthood after all.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

Almond valley

SNP Hold


Oh!!

Mid Fife and Glenrothes also SNP Hold



i played my part

[Santa Cruz]

Wanna take over the updates :wink:

Sorry, can't manage that. I'm running back and forth.

Everyone's going to bolt in an hour anyway. 'mon the Green (and White's). See, I'm sort of with you :greengrin

[cabbageandribs1875]

Salmond might get his knighthood after all.

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:hilarious

[Moulin Yarns]

Sorry, can't manage that. I'm running back and forth.

Everyone's going to bolt in an hour anyway. 'mon the Green (and White's). See, I'm sort of with you :greengrin


:thumbsup:

[cabbageandribs1875]

Carrick, Cumnock and Doon

SNP Hold


Mid Fife and Glenrothes

SNP Hold, more votes than the rest combined, well done Jenny Gilruth

[Callum_62]

Highest turnout on record apparently - 64 percent

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[SHODAN]

Aberdeenshire West, Galloway and Pentlands. Come on. Make my day.

[makaveli1875]

Havnt seen much of this today , have any results been announced recently

[Callum_62]

Havnt seen much of this today , have any results been announced recentlyBasically all snp holds

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[CloudSquall]

I imagine unionist tactical voting will make both of these seats very safe holds but I keep my fingers crossed.

[Moulin Yarns]

Dunfermline SNP Hold

[makaveli1875]

Basically all snp holds

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Yikes , is a majority still mathematically possible

[Callum_62]

.

SNP also hold Dunfermline https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210508/a1c5e244164fc15f766c7eb009db158e.jpg

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[SHODAN]

Unionists have shifted from "AHAHA EVERYONE HATES THE SNP GET ****ED" today to "uhhhhh, can we wait a bit for the referendum please" now.

[Callum_62]

Dunfermline SNP HoldSnp up 6 percent in Dunfermline

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[SHODAN]

Snp up 6 percent in Dunfermline

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You can thank my partner and I for that!

[cabbageandribs1875]

have we had Uddingston & Bellshill yet ?

anyway....SNP Hold...5k maj

[CloudSquall]

George Galloway's Alliance for Unity party is running at 1.5% in the South of Scotland.


More like All for Nothing, am I right??:greengrin

[cabbageandribs1875]

Hanvey making a grade A t*t of himself once more


https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/183450206_4039740509416083_5404805669464651415_n.j pg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=5FR66-VrBYAAX_VKD7n&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=868b24fba3c95da922fb18c1ff997083&oe=60BB6A9B

[CloudSquall]

Hanvey making a grade A t*t of himself once more


https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/183450206_4039740509416083_5404805669464651415_n.j pg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=5FR66-VrBYAAX_VKD7n&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=868b24fba3c95da922fb18c1ff997083&oe=60BB6A9B



Absolute panic stations given he now knows he's on borrowed time as an MP.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Absolute panic stations given he now knows he's on borrowed time as an MP.


he's a man child, certainly won't be missed and no loss to politics

[Moulin Yarns]

SNP hold Angus South (ooerr! Matron!):wink:

[SHODAN]

Hanvey making a grade A t*t of himself once more


https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/183450206_4039740509416083_5404805669464651415_n.j pg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=5FR66-VrBYAAX_VKD7n&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=868b24fba3c95da922fb18c1ff997083&oe=60BB6A9B

We kinda already knew that though. Check his now-deleted YouTube page.

https://twitter.com/PerthshireMags/status/1383888797348163585/photo/2

[cabbageandribs1875]

53
4
3
2

[Moulin Yarns]

53
4
3
2

House :wink:

[Moulin Yarns]

53
4
3
2

Or









SNP
1086426


LD
169374



Con
488737



Lab
492441

[cabbageandribs1875]

We kinda already knew that though. Check his now-deleted YouTube page.

https://twitter.com/PerthshireMags/status/1383888797348163585/photo/2


sorry i know i'm probably missing something, as per :( ...what was he saying in the videos ?

[Callum_62]

Or









SNP
1086426


LD
169374



Con
488737



Lab
492441





Unionist for the win

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[Moulin Yarns]

Unionist for the win

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The gap has been narrowing all day :wink:

[Callum_62]

The gap has been narrowing all day :wink:Stop the count.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

Or









SNP
1086426


LD
169374


Con
488737


Lab
492441








320k more votes than wee willies party and two less seats, still at least labour have garnered more votes than the nast..the Cons party, albeit it less than the attendance for a St Johnstone home game :)

[Moulin Yarns]

Glasgow Cathcart another SNP Hold

[cabbageandribs1875]

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/183736789_1682247435296235_3503834467806701698_n.j pg?_nc_cat=111&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=Y3acW4_TzloAX__njao&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=df17766603f0d2e080242f0263001eb6&oe=60BB5E65

[Moulin Yarns]

GALLOWAY

BOOO tory hold

[Hibrandenburg]

Or









SNP
1086426


LD
169374



Con
488737



Lab
492441







With 21 seats still to declare, 64,126 could be overturned.

How many votes have the Greens had up until now?

[weecounty hibby]

Labour enabling the Tories in Galloway

[Moulin Yarns]

With 21 seats still to declare, 64,126 could be overturned.

How many votes have the Greens had up until now?

16673.

[Hibrandenburg]

16673.

Thanks.

[Sir David Gray]

16673.

17,643 now after the latest update, 0.8% of the vote.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Labour enabling the Tories in Galloway


as they did with..

Carlaw...won
Liam Kerr...failed
Mundell...won



Tories reciprocated for Baillie

[Stairway 2 7]

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/183736789_1682247435296235_3503834467806701698_n.j pg?_nc_cat=111&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=Y3acW4_TzloAX__njao&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=df17766603f0d2e080242f0263001eb6&oe=60BB5E65

Can we move the border north a bit

[Hibrandenburg]

as they did with..

Carlaw...won
Liam Kerr...failed
Mundell...won



Tories reciprocated for Baillie

Baillie was a sickener for me. I'd previously thought quite highly of her but she showed her true colours during the Salmond inquiry and came across very disingenuous.

[makaveli1875]

Can we move the border north a bit

Just north of edinburgh would do

[weecounty hibby]

Baillie was a sickener for me. I'd previously thought quite highly of her but she showed her true colours during the Salmond inquiry and came across very disingenuous.

Agreed. But that snidey, sleekit, vindictiveness obviously appeals to Tory voters

[Ozyhibby]

Agreed. But that snidey, sleekit, vindictiveness obviously appeals to Tory voters

Yip, her and Cole-Hamilton done themselves no harm in recent inquiry.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Just north of edinburgh would do

That's sound but leith can be an independent principality

[CloudSquall]

Tories more and more confident of holding Aberdeenshire West, I imagine Labour has came through for them again.

[Moulin Yarns]

East Kilbride SNP Hold

[cabbageandribs1875]

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/184511644_1682269471960698_2652639707518309154_n.j pg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=RTJABmzeJjYAX_3OtQ0&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=1dda6821d15e17e3912ed142d9ae3436&oe=60BC47D0

[stokesmessiah]

Feel like the SNP are going to come up 1 short here.

[Santa Cruz]

Yip, her and Cole-Hamilton done themselves no harm in recent inquiry.


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Quite clearly their constituents agree with you.

[Moulin Yarns]

Conservative Hold Aberdeenshire West. LD swing to Con 10.7%

[SHODAN]

Aberdeenshire Lib Dems doing what they do best and propping up the Tories.

Majority's done unless the list seats go weird.

[CloudSquall]

Dross and co will be allowed all the hours they want on the media to paint this as a huge victory and a HUGE BLOW TO STURGEON.

[SHODAN]

BBC predicting 63 seats. Same as 2016.

[Moulin Yarns]

BBC predicting 63 seats. Same as 2016.

Plus 9 Greens, that's what Eck calls a supermajority :greengrin

[Moulin Yarns]

SNP Hold Edinburgh Pentlands

[cabbageandribs1875]

these two appear sloshed :wink:

STV News on Twitter: "Two SNP supporters enjoy a dance as counts close at Ravenscraig. https://t.co/Gi6fLi8RhK" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/STVNews/status/1391048998971224065?s=19&fbclid=IwAR0fU2kZ1qDlEu8dGiuAgya5hhQCJCr3gkFR2F04S 8KqoWqiamPny_RGpx4)

[SHODAN]

The bright side is when the referendum does come along Douglas Ross will be the face of Better Together 2.

[Moulin Yarns]

Glasgow Kelvin

SNP 14535

Greens 9077

Lab 8605

Con 2850

LD 977




SNP now got 60 seats

[Ryan91]

SNP Hold Edinburgh Pentlands

My constituency, pretty pleased with that.

[Moulin Yarns]

My constituency, pretty pleased with that.

Changed days when I lived there, Malcolm Rifkind anyone :greengrin

[Moulin Yarns]

BBC predicting 63 seats. Same as 2016.

Notice they only think Lib Dems get 4, that would mean no question at FMQ and no committee seats

[Moulin Yarns]

SNP Hold Edinburgh Pentlands

Just realised that was a decent swing from Labour to the SNP. Loks like there are some sensible Labour supporters :greengrin

[Moulin Yarns]

FFS Edinburgh Eastern and North & Leith, what's the hold up?

[ronaldo7]

Just realised that was a decent swing from Labour to the SNP. Loks like there are some sensible Labour supporters :greengrin

Jackson Coleslaw thanks his Labour supporters.

https://twitter.com/Jackson_Carlaw/status/1391055742103343108

[Ryan91]

FFS Edinburgh Eastern and North & Leith, what's the hold up?

Potential Voter Fraud in North & Leith was reported earlier, BBC suggestion that it may have been a clerical mistake and not an actual deliberate attempt at fraud.

not sure about Eastern though.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Jackson Coleslaw thanks his Labour supporters.

https://twitter.com/Jackson_Carlaw/status/1391055742103343108




https://i.ibb.co/tLV2FDK/183387467-3920189171367574-7039797576954793822-n.jpg (https://ibb.co/xFxgd6L)

[Moulin Yarns]

Potential Voter Fraud in North & Leith was reported earlier, BBC suggestion that it may have been a clerical mistake and not an actual deliberate attempt at fraud.

not sure about Eastern though.

Apparently the mistake happens at at least one poling point every election, the clerk scoring the wrong name.

[SHODAN]

Greens take a list seat off Labour in Central.

[Moulin Yarns]

Potential Voter Fraud in North & Leith was reported earlier, BBC suggestion that it may have been a clerical mistake and not an actual deliberate attempt at fraud.

not sure about Eastern though.

One of them has just declared.

Nope, the regional list votes are coming in!!

[Ryan91]

Apparently the mistake happens at at least one poling point every election, the clerk scoring the wrong name.

Doesn't surprise me, two people with relatively common names have to go to the same polling place, the clerk's been there most of the day, been a long one and they score the wrong one out.

Surprised it's not more common.

[Ryan91]

Greens take a list seat off Labour in Central.

'Mon the Greens

[Moulin Yarns]

DRoss and 3 other tories get Highland list seats, no Wightman, but a green

[cabbageandribs1875]

this is something SNP/pro-indy voters seriously need to look at and get properly organised for should there be another Scottish election in a non-independent Scotland :agree:

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/183363896_759034678146886_7684770354823715803_n.jp g?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=JDUrprR9J7QAX-yjdSK&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=375f44299cfc7bef4c6c796237620b61&oe=60BD58B8




https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/183506008_759034724813548_8157679438262560876_n.jp g?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=9iu_u6uPtLkAX84lCig&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=db673b922321d6b1f03a2e52f8d1c229&oe=60BD319D

[SHODAN]

this is something SNP/pro-indy voters seriously need to look at and get properly organised for should there be another Scottish election in a non-independent Scotland :agree:

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/183363896_759034678146886_7684770354823715803_n.jp g?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=JDUrprR9J7QAX-yjdSK&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=375f44299cfc7bef4c6c796237620b61&oe=60BD58B8




https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/183506008_759034724813548_8157679438262560876_n.jp g?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=9iu_u6uPtLkAX84lCig&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=db673b922321d6b1f03a2e52f8d1c229&oe=60BD319D

Open list. Proportion of votes = number of seats.

OR single transferrable vote.

[Moulin Yarns]

this is something SNP/pro-indy voters seriously need to look at and get properly organised for should there be another Scottish election in a non-independent Scotland :agree:

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/183363896_759034678146886_7684770354823715803_n.jp g?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=JDUrprR9J7QAX-yjdSK&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=375f44299cfc7bef4c6c796237620b61&oe=60BD58B8




https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/183506008_759034724813548_8157679438262560876_n.jp g?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=9iu_u6uPtLkAX84lCig&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=db673b922321d6b1f03a2e52f8d1c229&oe=60BD319D

Snp 1 and 2 is the problem. I've done the calculations for mid scotland and fife. If half of the SNP list votes were to go to the Greens, you get the picture.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Ash Denholm re-elected for Edinburgh Eastern well done


and another well done

Scottish election 2021: Kaukab Stewart is first woman of colour elected to Holyrood - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-57038919)

The first woman of colour has been elected to the Scottish Parliament in its 22-year history.


Kaukab Stewart, of the SNP, has run for election five times having been a campaigner for more than 20 years.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Snp 1 and 2 is the problem. I've done the calculations for mid scotland and fife. If half of the SNP list votes were to go to the Greens, you get the picture.


unfortunately there was just too much squabbling in indy groups about which was best, i myself gave a vote(albeit it a list vote) to another party for many decades...the Greens


and i still don't understand NS insisting on the SNP 1 & 2...bless her for being far too Honest and Decent, and playing by the rules :grr:

[Mon Dieu4]

SNP take Leith and Greens beat the Tories, well done the YLT

[cabbageandribs1875]

well done Leithers

[Moulin Yarns]

And the final constituency, Edinburgh North and Leith called for the SNP.

[ACLeith]

SNP take Leith and Greens beat the Tories, well done the YLT

My vote hardly mattered but well done Ben. Good to see the Greens surge up (Mrs ACL voted for them)

[Glory Lurker]

Northern and Leith is the coolest result in the election. The most progressive part of the whole country. Pride bursting out of me.

[Green Man]

Brilliant Green performance in North & Leith, I’m delighted with that.

[HiBremian]

Catching a snippet of BBC coverage right now. When are they going to realise there are 2 “major” pro-Indy parties and 2 “major” unionist parties in Scotland, which would give them their much-coveted “balanced reporting”? No ****ing chance. The discussion is with one SNP rep, a Tory, a Labour MP, and a Lib Dem. ***** journalism.


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[weecounty hibby]

Martin Geisler absolutely spewing on the election show as he was told the result!!

[Glory Lurker]

Martin Geisler absolutely spewing on the election show as he was told the result!!

But taking it well. I think he's been good.

[GlesgaeHibby]

But taking it well. I think he's been good.

Absolutely. A vast improvement on Rebecca Curran from yesterday.

[Moulin Yarns]

unfortunately there was just too much squabbling in indy groups about which was best, i myself gave a vote(albeit it a list vote) to another party for many decades...the Greens


and i still don't understand NS insisting on the SNP 1 & 2...bless her for being far too Honest and Decent, and playing by the rules :grr:

👍💚

It will be so much easier after independence 😉

[mayo hibee]

Absolutely. A vast improvement on Rebecca Curran from yesterday.

Agree, it felt like they'd got the weather presenter to do the election results yesterday, she was all over the place. Geissler at least knows what he's talking about (just not when it comes to football, although he did at least congratulate Hibs through visibly gritted teeth).

[cabbageandribs1875]

Apparently Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh didn't even bother turning up for the vote count


what's that you were saying again about being Graceless Alex

[mayo hibee]

63 SNP seats now confirmed - so the BBC prediction must be that they get no further list seats, including South of Scotland - effectively punished for the wins in Ayr and East Lothian by losing both list seats.

[weecounty hibby]

Extraordinary! Guy who was an advisor on the constitution has just said that if the indyref question goes to court and the UK government lose they could just change the law!! FFS if true then we really are potentially shackled to this union with no way out. No one, and even the most staunch unionist can think that is right

[JeMeSouviens]

Extraordinary! Guy who was an advisor on the constitution has just said that if the indyref question goes to court and the UK government lose they could just change the law!! FFS if true then we really are potentially shackled to this union with no way out. No one, and even the most staunch unionist can think that is right

He’s spot on. The only meaningful thing in the UK constitution is that if you have a majority in the house of commons you can do absolutely anything you want.

[ACLeith]

Extraordinary! Guy who was an advisor on the constitution has just said that if the indyref question goes to court and the UK government lose they could just change the law!! FFS if true then we really are potentially shackled to this union with no way out. No one, and even the most staunch unionist can think that is right

The House of Lords might have a say on the legality if that? And I'm saying that as someone who wants rid of them, but they sometimes do make a stand.

[Sir David Gray]

Extraordinary! Guy who was an advisor on the constitution has just said that if the indyref question goes to court and the UK government lose they could just change the law!! FFS if true then we really are potentially shackled to this union with no way out. No one, and even the most staunch unionist can think that is right

I definitely don't, I personally think Johnson would be mad to go down that road.

[Glory Lurker]

Now they are officially completely diddy, as opposed to just arguably completely diddy, if we're getting four parties represented on a panel can we not ditch the irrelevant lib dems?

[Ozyhibby]

Extraordinary! Guy who was an advisor on the constitution has just said that if the indyref question goes to court and the UK government lose they could just change the law!! FFS if true then we really are potentially shackled to this union with no way out. No one, and even the most staunch unionist can think that is right

Would love them to go down that route.[emoji1696][emoji1696][emoji1696] It’s more important to build support for Indy than it is to get the referendum. That will happen anyway.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210508/ee17a414c43af581a0df5eba9c5f2712.jpg


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[mayo hibee]

Looks like the Greens missed out on a second seat in Glasgow because a far right activist ran under the name "Independent Green Voice" which was higher up the ballot than the actual Green party and a couple of thousand green voters accidentally voted for a fascist.

[DaveF]

Now they are officially completely diddy, as opposed to just arguably completely diddy, if we're getting four parties represented on a panel can we not ditch the irrelevant lib dems?

Agree. The less I see or hear from Willie Rennie, the happier I'll be.

[cabbageandribs1875]

so, the lib-dums don't get to ask Q's in Holyrood now yep ? what a shame, if only 11% of them didn't vote Tory in Aberdeenshire West they might have got a list seat, oh well

[cabbageandribs1875]

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/183654663_4040659215990879_7295438979635088597_n.j pg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=cgosP3lXkyQAX9ufw72&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=ccc81b741b2ea525159c97515a3de540&oe=60BB8315

[Mon Dieu4]

Why are the Tories cheesing about their list of exceptional MSP's? If the SNP and Greens agree on whatever they are doing then there is hee haw the Tories can do to stop them in the case of policy

[hibsbollah]

It’s a landslide.

Why is no one calling it a landslide?

Boris’ 80 seat majority in 2019 was gained on the back of 43% of the vote, less than the SNP got on Thursday. This was widely described as a Tory Landslide, including by The Guardian.

The reporting is really, truly scandalous.

[lapsedhibee]

It’s a landslide.

Why is no one calling it a landslide?

Boris’ 80 seat majority in 2019 was gained on the back of 43% of the vote, less than the SNP got on Thursday. This was widely described as a Tory Landslide, including by The Guardian.

The reporting is really, truly scandalous.

:agree: They shouldn't be calling it a landslide now, because they shouldn't have called it a landslide then. They should have called it a quirk of the ****ed up system used in UK elections.

[JoeT]

Well done on the mutton molesters keeping Salmond out of our lives for the next few years

[Just_Jimmy]

It’s a landslide.

Why is no one calling it a landslide?

Boris’ 80 seat majority in 2019 was gained on the back of 43% of the vote, less than the SNP got on Thursday. This was widely described as a Tory Landslide, including by The Guardian.

The reporting is really, truly scandalous.Blair won in 97 with 43%... landslide.



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[weecounty hibby]

Well done on the mutton molesters keeping Salmond out of our lives for the next few years

Not sure it will be that simple! Good to see him and Galloway get nothing

[allmodcons]

It’s a landslide.

Why is no one calling it a landslide?

Boris’ 80 seat majority in 2019 was gained on the back of 43% of the vote, less than the SNP got on Thursday. This was widely described as a Tory Landslide, including by The Guardian.

The reporting is really, truly scandalous.

Simply because it doesn't suit their narrative.

I'm beginning to wonder if I'm living in a democracy. Constantly being told that I shouldn't be discussing constitutional politics and the only politics should be the agenda of those I disagree with.

Politics is divisive by it's very nature yet these patronising ***** are trying to tell me that it's only constitutional politics that's divisive.

I grew up in the Thatcher era, there is no one I know who comes close to being as divisive as she was.

A truly amazing result for a Government going in to a forth term being reported as 'average'.

[mayo hibee]

64th seat for SNP. Missed the overall majority by one. West Dunbartonshire the one that got away.

[SHODAN]

Surprise list seat in South Scotland for the SNP. Is there any chance at all they could get one in Lothian?

[Ozyhibby]

SNP up to 64.[emoji106]


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[Ozyhibby]

Surprise list seat in South Scotland for the SNP. Is there any chance at all they could get one in Lothian?

Can’t see it. We all voted Green.[emoji51]


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[Stick]

Surprise list seat in South Scotland for the SNP. Is there any chance at all they could get one in Lothian?

We could if the snp get an extra 2383 new votes and other parties don’t increase theirs from 2016 figures.

[Mon Dieu4]

Murray saying he hopes we Hibs it in the final after Keith Brown congratulated us for getting there, still hurting, I like it

[Ozyhibby]

Presiding officer becomes interesting now. If an opposition figures goes for it, it gives SNP a majority.


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[Mon Dieu4]

Presiding officer becomes interesting now. If an opposition figures goes for it, it gives SNP a majority.


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They did mention that the SNP might tell the greens it's their turn this time

[Stick]

We could if the snp get an extra 2383 new votes and other parties don’t increase theirs from 2016 figures.
I think, don’t bet on it though

[lapsedhibee]

Presiding officer becomes interesting now. If an opposition figures goes for it, it gives SNP a majority.


129-1=128. How does SNP have a majority of 128?

[Stick]

I think, don’t bet on it though

Sorry, recalculated, need a lot more seats unfortunately.
Not going to happen.

[Ozyhibby]

129-1=128. How does SNP have a majority of 128?

Ah, true. It becomes a dead heat.


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[Green Man]

2 Green MSPs in Lothian! Get in!

[allmodcons]

129-1=128. How does SNP have a majority of 128?

Is Presiding Officer not obliged to vote with Government in event of a dead heat?

[Hibernia&Alba]

2 Green MSPs in Lothian! Get in!

Yeah, it's good news.

[SHODAN]

Final score:
SNP: 64
Conservative: 31
Labour: 22
Green: 8
Lib Dem: 4

Pro-independence: 72
Pro-union: 57

[Stick]

Just missed by one vote, sugar.
Still a fantastic result for snp and greens.

[allmodcons]

Final score:
SNP: 64
Conservative: 31
Labour: 22
Green: 8
Lib Dem: 4

Pro-independence: 72
Pro-union: 57

Tremendous result.

Personally, I'd like to see a SNP/Green coalition.

[lapsedhibee]

Ah, true. It becomes a dead heat.


Glad to hear mention of the presiding officer though. Looking forward to the start of the new parliamentary session with no one in fancy dress or wearing a wig, and where voting will be carried out as if in the 21st century. With the exceptionally fair electoral system which allows even no-hopers like Fraser to take his place to represent a considerable volume of other no-hopers, a great deal is well, so far, with the state of Scottish democratic institutions. Well done Donald Dewar.

[lapsedhibee]

Is Presiding Officer not obliged to vote with Government in event of a dead heat?

Not sure, haven't heard Sarah Smith's analysis yet. She'll know for sure.

[ronaldo7]

Final score:
SNP: 64
Conservative: 31
Labour: 22
Green: 8
Lib Dem: 4

Pro-independence: 72
Pro-union: 57

Magnificent result going into a 4th term of office. Increase of the Pro Independence vote essential. Labour go further into the mire. Lib dems no longer seen as a major party in Parliament.

Hibees in the cup final.

What a day.

[DaveF]

Final score:
SNP: 64
Conservative: 31
Labour: 22
Green: 8
Lib Dem: 4

Pro-independence: 72
Pro-union: 57

A thumping mandate for Indyref2.

Labour down again, but they made their contribution by supporting the Tories in a few seats, cementing that special relationship.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Northernmost MP of the Finnish Parliament


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[ronaldo7]

Ian Murray has just told us all that Anas has won the election. :faf:

[Hiber-nation]

Tory list winner Craig Hoy - "This is a bad day for the SNP".

Said with a straight face as well.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Final score:
SNP: 64
Conservative: 31
Labour: 22
Green: 8
Lib Dem: 4

Pro-independence: 72
Pro-union: 57

That surely means another referendum.

[makaveli1875]

i look forward to the referendum in the year 2525 . if man is still alive

[weecounty hibby]

Tory list winner Craig Hoy - "This is a bad day for the SNP".

Said with a straight face as well.

The problem is that us the narrative that the media will run with. Forgetting that the scottish system is designed specifically to avoid majorities for one party. Check the votes, check the vote share, check the number of seats and then tell the truth.

[Hiber-nation]

The problem is that us the narrative that the media will run with. Forgetting that the scottish system is designed specifically to avoid majorities for one party. Check the votes, check the vote share, check the number of seats and then tell the truth.

Yep the word landslide will never be uttered once.

[CloudSquall]

I wish the SNP would go balls to the wall in explaining how even 64 seats should be almost impossible with the system in place.


The way the media and the opposition go on you'd think not winning a majority is some sort of disaster comparable to not winning a majority in a standard FPTP System.

[ronaldo7]

https://twitter.com/theSNP/status/1391116615081725952

[ekhibee]

In 2016 the Conservatives won 24% of the seats on offer after getting just over 22% of the vote. How is that not fair?

It's not perfect but it prevents a scenario that happens in the constituencies where the SNP won over 80% of the seats on offer in 2016 despite only getting 46.5% of the vote.

I know what you're saying and I agree that it does prevent certain scenarios from taking place, but they didn't 'win' 24% of the seats, in fact in quite a few cases they were the losing candidates in various constituencies, they were allocated seats through the electoral list system. I should point out that the SNP and other parties have also benefitted from the list system. But if that's the fairest way of doing it, then so be it.

[lord bunberry]

i look forward to the referendum in the year 2525 . if man is still alive
Hopefully your patter won’t survive that long :rolleyes:

[Pretty Boy]

Putting aside partisan concerns for a second the election of Pam Duncan Glancy of Labour and Kaukab Stewart of the SNP are 2 notable results from the last few days.

Two firsts and increased representation of the many diverse people who make up Scotland is something we should all be proud of.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Putting aside partisan concerns for a second the election of Pam Duncan Glancy of Labour and Kaukab Stewart of the SNP are 2 notable results from the last few days.

Two firsts and increased representation of the many diverse people who make up Scotland is something we should all be proud of.

:top marks

[CapitalGreen]

Hopefully your patter won’t survive that long :rolleyes:

Stop quoting him, it overrides my ignore list 😂

[mayo hibee]

Looks like the Greens missed out on a second seat in Glasgow because a far right activist ran under the name "Independent Green Voice" which was higher up the ballot than the actual Green party and a couple of thousand green voters accidentally voted for a fascist.

Looks like the Greens are actually down two seats because of this - they would have won a list seat in South of Scotland also.

Surprised that someone else was allowed to stand under the name Independent Green Voice - it was clearly confusing and has had a significant impact on the outcome for the actual Greens.

[lord bunberry]

Stop quoting him, it overrides my ignore list 😂
Apologies :greengrin

[DaveF]

Ian Murray has just told us all that Anas has won the election. :faf:

Has whoever the leader of the libdems is, said that Our Willie won it as well?

[cabbageandribs1875]

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[JimBHibees]

A thumping mandate for Indyref2.

Labour down again, but they made their contribution by supporting the Tories in a few seats, cementing that special relationship.

Absolutely can't be seen any other way.

[JimBHibees]

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Sums it up. Absolutely sensational result. In FPTP would be seen as a total landslide.

[Sir David Gray]

It's clearly a great result for the pro-independence parties in terms of seats won but in terms of planning for a referendum it's extremely close in terms of the number of votes cast, pretty much 50-50 between pro-independence and pro-union parties.

As I said earlier, with only around 50% of the electorate voting for pro-independence parties the pro-independence side really has their work cut out if they plan on holding a referendum any time soon, which I do think there's an argument for.

[Hibrandenburg]

Absolutely can't be seen any other way.

Oh I'm certain it will be.

[Rocky]

Putting aside partisan concerns for a second the election of Pam Duncan Glancy of Labour and Kaukab Stewart of the SNP are 2 notable results from the last few days.

Two firsts and increased representation of the many diverse people who make up Scotland is something we should all be proud of.

I agree but we can be even more proud when results like that aren't "notable"

[JimBHibees]

Oh I'm certain it will be.

Sure it's will but can't by any rational analysis