Scottish Election 2021

[Skol]

How is that having it both ways? Saying you will push for a referendum does not mean winning it. The debate happens if one is held. Then if the yes camp don't win the economic fight they will lose as per last time.

I can't see why that's unreasonable.

You want to run on a manifesto that has as its key aim something that isnt part of the day job, but wont get into a debate because you will be at risk of being accused of not doing that day job.

[Ozyhibby]

The fundamental issue is that a lot of politicians, certainly at Westminster, have a stake in the property market and high rental yield is desirable to them.

It's basic demographics as well. In 1996 over 50% of 16-34 years olds owned their own homes, by 2016 that was just over 25%. By contrast about 65% of those over 65 owned their own homes in 1996, by 2016 that had risen to just over 75%. About 10% of UK adults own multiple properties and over half of them are 55+.

That's a lot of people from a demographic most likely to vote to **** off if you lower the equity in their property so governments will tip toe around it through fear of alienating voters.

Wealth inequality through the demographics is another discussion that needs had. Millenials were the 1st generation to be worse off than their parents generation in real terms. The average wage is about 20% less than their parents could have expected to earn despite generally being better educated. Gen Z and Gen Alpha look set to follow that pattern. We could assess the political and societal decisions that brought us to that point or we can call people lazy and blame them because they have iPhones and like going on holiday.

I apologise that this is some way off topic although I suppose you could argue they are issues a Scottish government, devolved or independent, is going to have to face up to.

We need to build more houses full stop, whatever the tenure. And if the private sector won’t build them quick enough then the state should step in and get them built. I personally think it’s a no brainer because the rents (even on social housing) repay the cost of the house over time. Cheaper housing makes us all richer and encourages businesses to move to Scotland.


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[StevieC]

You want to run on a manifesto that has as its key aim something that isnt part of the day job, but wont get into a debate because you will be at risk of being accused of not doing that day job.

I would say that it’s more a case of not debating because you ARE doing the day job.
I think we can both agree that Independence is a very complex matter. The sort of time you would need to spend putting together an economic argument for something that you might not even get the chance to vote on would be a complete waste, and rightly picked up on as a poor use of ministerial and civil service time.

At the moment it’s very simple .. if you are either keen on, or even open to, the idea of Independence then give your vote to a pro-Independence party at the upcoming election. If you are against the idea of Independence then give your vote to a unionist party.

Once the votes are in, it will determine whether it is time for (both sides) to start making the economical case.

If the unionist parties are campaigning for stopping an Independence referendum, should they be making the economical case as to why that is best for Scotland? With an economical crash, national debt increases, Brexit, talk of federalism, it seems strange that one side should be asking to enter an economical debate but not the other?

[Ozyhibby]

I would say that it’s more a case of not debating because you ARE doing the day job.
I think we can both agree that Independence is a very complex matter. The sort of time you would need to spend putting together an economic argument for something that you might not even get the chance to vote on would be a complete waste, and rightly picked up on as a poor use of ministerial and civil service time.

At the moment it’s very simple .. if you are either keen on, or even open to, the idea of Independence then give your vote to a pro-Independence party at the upcoming election. If you are against the idea of Independence then give your vote to a unionist party.

Once the votes are in, it will determine whether it is time for (both sides) to start making the economical case.

If the unionist parties are campaigning for stopping an Independence referendum, should they be making the economical case as to why that is best for Scotland? With an economical crash, national debt increases, Brexit, talk of federalism, it seems strange that one side should be asking to enter an economical debate but not the other?

The unionists have made their case. It’s managed decline. They are happy with that. It’s living on handouts from London. Happy days. Getting further and further behind all our near neighbours. Result.


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[CapitalGreen]

Many families don't need them. Target those that do, then nobody gets left behind, that's my criticism.

Surely the chances of a child in need missing out is increased by making the scheme selective rather than universal.

[Moulin Yarns]

I'm worried about the Bairn. He hasn't managed to answer any simple questions and has been missing since this afternoon. Should we send out a search party?

[Santa Cruz]

Surely the chances of a child in need missing out is increased by making the scheme selective rather than universal.

Not necessarily, you could give families with no requirement for one an opt out option. That way nobody's missed out and money isn't needlessly wasted that could be spent on other areas of education.

[Ozyhibby]

Not necessarily, you could give families with no requirement for one an opt out option. That way nobody's missed out and money isn't needlessly wasted that could be spent on other areas of education.

Is it possible that these machines will be configured and preloaded with software that perfectly matches what the schools need and it might be beneficial to have all the kids working on the same system?


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[CapitalGreen]

Not necessarily, you could give families with no requirement for one an opt out option. That way nobody's missed out and money isn't needlessly wasted that could be spent on other areas of education.

So not targeted then.

[greenlex]

Not necessarily, you could give families with no requirement for one an opt out option. That way nobody's missed out and money isn't needlessly wasted that could be spent on other areas of education.

I think having everyone using the same device rather than Rich kids having state of the art and kids from poorer backgrounds using state “handouts” is far more desirable to be honest.

[Santa Cruz]

Is it possible that these machines will be configured and preloaded with software that perfectly matches what the schools need and it might be beneficial to have all the kids working on the same system?


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No idea. Is this initiative for in school learning too? I was of the understanding it was for at home with it being laptops.

[Hibrandenburg]

I think having everyone using the same device rather than Rich kids having state of the art and kids from poorer backgrounds using state “handouts” is far more desirable to be honest.

You'll still be able to distinguish the haves from the have nots by the quality of wallpaper used as a protective cover.

[lapsedhibee]

You'll still be able to distinguish the haves from the have nots by the quality of wallpaper used as a protective cover.

:greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

No idea. Is this initiative for in school learning too? I was of the understanding it was for at home with it being laptops.

If every kids has internet access and their own laptop then the whole curriculum should be moved online.


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[Santa Cruz]

If every kids has internet access and their own laptop then the whole curriculum should be moved online.


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So, if it is for in school learning too, that's a different ball game. It quite clearly would be wrong having one kid sitting with a laptop with a wee apple logo and another with a distinctive Gov logo (presumably required so they are easily distinguished to prevent some folk flogging them on ebay). I was thinking when you said free laptops it was for home learning because I can't imagine a classroom having so many power sockets when they will need charged at some point. I wouldn't want the whole curriculum moved online. That would see a massive decline in handwriting skills and kids spend enough time on devices as it is which leads to a decline in their eyesight.

[Hibrandenburg]

:greengrin

You're giving away your age. :greengrin:

[greenlex]

You'll still be able to distinguish the haves from the have nots by the quality of wallpaper used as a protective cover.

😂😂

[StevieC]

You'll still be able to distinguish the haves from the have nots by the quality of wallpaper used as a protective cover.

Plain brown paper .. end of 😉

[Crunchie]

Free laptop for every school pupil in Scotland from the SNP. Great move that will make a massive difference.


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The SNP have presided over a shameful decline in the education system in Scotland and all they can come up with is another election gimmick.
What kind of difference do you think a free laptop will make? another election gimmick akin to the NHS pay rise.

[Future17]

The SNP have presided over a shameful decline in the education system in Scotland and all they can come up with is another election gimmick.
What kind of difference do you think a free laptop will make? another election gimmick akin to the NHS pay rise.

Totally agree - a laptop will make no difference to a child's education and a pay rise will make no difference to NHS staff.

The question is, will the children of NHS staff be given free quills and parchment, or will they have to pay for them?

[Hibby Bairn]

I'm worried about the Bairn. He hasn't managed to answer any simple questions and has been missing since this afternoon. Should we send out a search party?

😀 no need to worry about me MY. Just off doing a few other things than trying to change the world on a friendly football message board.

These are just folks points of view. We don't all have to agree to be respectful of what others think or believe in.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-pledges-double-scottish-23810813.amp?__twitter_impression=true


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[Crunchie]

😀 no need to worry about me MY. Just off doing a few other things than trying to change the world on a friendly football message board.

These are just folks points of view. We don't all have to agree to be respectful of what others think or believe in.
:top marks

[lord bunberry]

No idea. Is this initiative for in school learning too? I was of the understanding it was for at home with it being laptops.
Yes, I explained that earlier.

[Hibrandenburg]

Plain brown paper .. end of 😉

You're obviously from a long line of puritan stock. :wink:

[Santa Cruz]

Yes, I explained that earlier.

Apologies for misunderstanding. You were talking about ipads, after ozzy posted a free laptop for every child. I assumed with laptops it was for home learning for reasons previously posted.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/mar/27/uk-government-scraps-green-homes-grant-after-six-months

I remember the SG getting stick for not matching this scheme which has totally failed in England after 6 months.
The amount of money wasted in England in the last year is why the SG is able to fund its priorities now.


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[Jack]

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/mar/27/uk-government-scraps-green-homes-grant-after-six-months

I remember the SG getting stick for not matching this scheme which has totally failed in England after 6 months.
The amount of money wasted in England in the last year is why the SG is able to fund its priorities now.


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I'm not sure its failed as such, its like many things the torys have done, it was never fit for purpose in the first place.

[SHODAN]

Ross saying the Tories will now stand down candidates in SNP marginals.

[JeMeSouviens]

Ross saying the Tories will now stand down candidates in SNP marginals.

He says he's offering to stand down candidates, no? Implying it's conditional on reciprocity. He knows Labs and Libs could never agree to it.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Scottish election: SNP vow to raise council tax age of liability to 21 | The National (https://www.thenational.scot/news/19193502.scottish-election-snp-vow-raise-council-tax-age-liability-21/?fbclid=IwAR14gX0wNi1A2XNLYL7BHq-TYUwy8Mglsz5efdy9rxUx_5VsGPtf57VAspw)


SCOTS won’t have to pay council tax until they turn 21 if the SNP (https://www.thenational.scot/politics/snp/) is re-elected to the Scottish Government in May, Finance Secretary Kate Forbes has vowed.
Forbes said that by increasing the age at which people are accountable for paying the tax from 18-years-old, will save young people - who live in their own homes - hundreds of pounds a year.


more help for our young adults :agree: i noticed elsewhere there's colossal increases coming in down south

[Moulin Yarns]

📣Names announced for #WomensHustings📣

We'll be joined by @jackiebmsp @Rachael2Win @willie_rennie @lornagreens and @NicolaSturgeon at our women's sector hustings this Thursday at 7. There's still time to get your ticket and submit a question here: https://t.co/xl7TbpIlug https://t.co/i1H7Qu1ldn

🤔

[Ozyhibby]

[emoji351]Names announced for #WomensHustings[emoji351]

We'll be joined by @jackiebmsp @Rachael2Win @willie_rennie @lornagreens and @NicolaSturgeon at our women's sector hustings this Thursday at 7. There's still time to get your ticket and submit a question here: https://t.co/xl7TbpIlug https://t.co/i1H7Qu1ldn

[emoji848]

Willie seems a bit more confused than normal?


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[Jack]

📣Names announced for #WomensHustings📣

We'll be joined by @jackiebmsp @Rachael2Win @willie_rennie @lornagreens and @NicolaSturgeon at our women's sector hustings this Thursday at 7. There's still time to get your ticket and submit a question here: https://t.co/xl7TbpIlug https://t.co/i1H7Qu1ldn

🤔

Willie Rennie seems an odd choice from the Libdems.

Or maybe not.

[Keith_M]

This should clear up any confusion about the Willie Rennie/Women's Hour debate....



https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/scottish-liberal-democrat-leader-willie-rennie-dons-a-minikilt-and-picture-id1167494763?s=2048x2048

[CloudSquall]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/boxing/big-hitter-ex-world-champ-alex-arthur-aims-to-deliver-a-knockout-blow-for-alex-salmonds-alba-party-3182379

Former world champion boxer and hibbie Alex Arthur standing as a list candidate for the Alba Party.

It's not even April yet and I can't wait for these elections :greengrin

[danhibees1875]

We are declining compared to our independent neighbours such as Ireland, Denmark, Norway, Finland, Sweden etc. We used to be richer than all those countries and we are now behind all of them. And the situation is not improving. And there is no plan for it to improve either. We are managed by the Tories yet have you ever heard any of them address this issue and say they would like to fix it?


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Sorry for the tardy reply - Sunday got away from me.

Thanks for clarifying, that makes sense. So it's not so much an absolute decline but in comparison to other countries the growth hasn't been as fast, so a comparative one. That's a fair enough criticism but isn't how I interpreted your comment initially.
I'm not actually sure how our (UK) GDP growth stacks up against the EU (entirety, not the cherry picked countries which I probably agree we should be aiming to match anyway) - a quick google has something about UK growth outstripping EU looking back over an extended timeframe but the article didn't source it's stats and has the look of a pro-Brexit sort of place so deciding not to trust it. Forward looking projections carried out by PwC have UK outstripping EU, but obviously that involves a lot of "could"'s and fingers-crossed-Brexit-outcomes.

On your second point, I don't pay too much attention to what the Tories say to be honest but they have put forward the skeleton of a plan earlier this month - Build Back Better. I expected it to include the Green Homes Grant which may have made an easy target for early criticism but it doesn't specifically point to it, maybe they foresaw that one having to be axed. :greengrin

I've not read through it all, but on a skim I'd say there's a wide range of positive ideas there and they've even thrown in a time scale for when they'll action certain points.

Whether it's good or not is another question but there does seem to be a plan for improvement, both as a UK as a whole and specific bits regarding Scotland. We also have our own SG growth plan too of course.

[hibsbollah]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/boxing/big-hitter-ex-world-champ-alex-arthur-aims-to-deliver-a-knockout-blow-for-alex-salmonds-alba-party-3182379

Former world champion boxer and hibbie Alex Arthur standing as a list candidate for the Alba Party.

It's not even April yet and I can't wait for these elections :greengrin

I know Alex fairly well and like him, I know he’s always been strongly pro independence but that’s a bit disappointing.

[Skol]

Scottish election: SNP vow to raise council tax age of liability to 21 | The National (https://www.thenational.scot/news/19193502.scottish-election-snp-vow-raise-council-tax-age-liability-21/?fbclid=IwAR14gX0wNi1A2XNLYL7BHq-TYUwy8Mglsz5efdy9rxUx_5VsGPtf57VAspw)


SCOTS won’t have to pay council tax until they turn 21 if the SNP (https://www.thenational.scot/politics/snp/) is re-elected to the Scottish Government in May, Finance Secretary Kate Forbes has vowed.
Forbes said that by increasing the age at which people are accountable for paying the tax from 18-years-old, will save young people - who live in their own homes - hundreds of pounds a year.


more help for our young adults :agree: i noticed elsewhere there's colossal increases coming in down south

I would be surprised if many U21s are paying council tax, are there any numbers on this ?

[degenerated]

Willie Rennie seems an odd choice from the Libdems.

Or maybe not.Willie Rennie is an odd choice for anything. I saw him on TV yesterday saying that during this pandemic thousands of people have died and thousands more have lost their lives.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

oh my :confused: shirly not



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[CallumLaidlaw]

oh my :confused: shirly not



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[cabbageandribs1875]

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and an MBE ? the "inappropriate" one appears to be amassing a motley crew of undesirables, all jumping on his bandwagon to try grab a list seat and a big salary, no real loss to the SNP yet that i can see, it says a lot about individuals that want to kneel before him, has anyone dared ask where his funding is coming from

[Ozyhibby]

This is what happens when you set up a party on the hoof with no proper vetting procedures for candidates. There will be worse to come.


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[CloudSquall]

Not that I've made comments about Romanian beggers etc but the first thing I'd be doing if I was a candidate would be deleting my Twitter page and making a new one, he's knocked out before round 1 has begun.

Not making the comments in the first place would be best of course.

[Mon Dieu4]

Not that I've made comments about Romanian beggers etc but the first thing I'd be doing if I was a candidate would be deleting my Twitter page and making a new one, he's knocked out before round 1 has begun.

Not making the comments in the first place would be best of course.

There are many things I could have a go at him about and I certainly won't be voting for him or his party

he didn't word it in the best way ever but there ARE Romanian or Roma(don't know the semantics) "beggars" in Edinburgh who aren't actually homeless and are part of an organised begging gang, I've seen them switching shifts, being dropped off in the mornings etc

Not saying that some of these people aren't victims, they probably are to a certain extent, but it's been going on years and nothing seems to be getting done about it, be it by politicians or the police helping them if they are indeed victims/trafficked people

[Ozyhibby]

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[hibsbollah]

oh my :confused: shirly not



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Aw no Alex :rolleyes:

[Peevemor]

This is what happens when you set up a party on the hoof with no proper vetting procedures for candidates. There will be worse to come.


It'd make a great scenario for Netflix. A very black comedy.

[CallumLaidlaw]

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That’s one hell of a reverse attempt [emoji23]


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[wookie70]

That’s one hell of a reverse attempt [emoji23]


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He was on the ropes and decided to come out swinging

[Just Alf]

There are many things I could have a go at him about and I certainly won't be voting for him or his party

he didn't word it in the best way ever but there ARE Romanian or Roma(don't know the semantics) "beggars" in Edinburgh who aren't actually homeless and are part of an organised begging gang, I've seen them switching shifts, being dropped off in the mornings etc

Not saying that some of these people aren't victims, they probably are to a certain extent, but it's been going on years and nothing seems to be getting done about it, be it by politicians or the police helping them if they are indeed victims/trafficked peopleNot arguing about them being organised, but I have seen them getting picked up from the homeless shelter at Chesser.

There's another group that get off the bus at Stratties, I guess they must stay in Wardlaw somewhere having seen them head that way.



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[danhibees1875]

I would be surprised if many U21s are paying council tax, are there any numbers on this ?

You'd need to extrapolate this a little bit but I think it'll give a rough idea of the %'s involved:

https://twitter.com/PaulJSweeney/status/1376642471782940674?s=19


If my Council tax understanding is correct then it's the 3 groupings in the middle that will save - those who are 18-21 but have moved out and are living alone/as a young couple (and not students) and those who live with a single parent.

[hibsbollah]

There are many things I could have a go at him about and I certainly won't be voting for him or his party

he didn't word it in the best way ever but there ARE Romanian or Roma(don't know the semantics) "beggars" in Edinburgh who aren't actually homeless and are part of an organised begging gang, I've seen them switching shifts, being dropped off in the mornings etc

Not saying that some of these people aren't victims, they probably are to a certain extent, but it's been going on years and nothing seems to be getting done about it, be it by politicians or the police helping them if they are indeed victims/trafficked people

It’s a shame for him, he needs to understand that he’s defined for life by what he writes online. My kids understand that, he should too. It serves the purpose of making the unionist argument that there is a thin line between far right nationalists and Scottish nationalist movement, a lot easier. I can see Gordon Brown lifting the quote verbatum and making that exact case. The fact that he’s not that kind of guy or he’s working class is irrelevant. You can’t be talking about Romanian beggars as ‘pigs’...

[Ozyhibby]

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Pre Alba launch but still amazingly good numbers for the SNP.


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[SHODAN]

If the next poll comes out and SNP/Green/Alba is lower than SNP/Green in the previous polls, civil war is going to break out.

[Ozyhibby]

If the next poll comes out and SNP/Green/Alba is lower than SNP/Green in the previous polls, civil war is going to break out.

If Alba are on any less than 5% then all they are doing is helping unionists. If more than that then it’s a problem for unionists. I expect there will be multiple polls by the weekend.


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[Mantis Toboggan]

It’s a shame for him, he needs to understand that he’s defined for life by what he writes online. My kids understand that, he should too. It serves the purpose of making the unionist argument that there is a thin line between far right nationalists and Scottish nationalist movement, a lot easier. I can see Gordon Brown lifting the quote verbatum and making that exact case. The fact that he’s not that kind of guy or he’s working class is irrelevant. You can’t be talking about Romanian beggars as ‘pigs’...

His Twitter replies to various people on relation to the C19 vaccine are just as bad tbh. Total lack of empathy from someone who now wants us to vote for him. Laughable really

[Ozyhibby]

His Twitter replies to various people on relation to the C19 vaccine are just as bad tbh. Total lack of empathy from someone who now wants us to vote for him. Laughable really

Either of those comments would likely have got him suspended from the SNP.


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[Ozyhibby]

Alba candidate call NS a cow. Nice bunch.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/alba-party-candidate-apologises-after-23821592.amp?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar&__twitter_impression=true


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[Mon Dieu4]

Alba candidate call NS a cow. Nice bunch.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/alba-party-candidate-apologises-after-23821592.amp?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar&__twitter_impression=true


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In the digital age im not sure why anyone would choose to be in the public spotlight, the next generations will have a better of a handle on it as they have grown up that way but as said previously if I was to do anything that cast light on me I'd be making sure my social media was bullet proof first

[SHODAN]

I know they say they're social democrats, but Alba could very quickly turn into the pro-independence right wing populist movement that the SNP, to their credit, have done well in stifling the past decade. That terrifies me.

[Ozyhibby]

In the digital age im not sure why anyone would choose to be in the public spotlight, the next generations will have a better of a handle on it as they have grown up that way but as said previously if I was to do anything that cast light on me I'd be making sure my social media was bullet proof first

He only did two days ago. This isn’t a digital problem. The man is clearly not suitable for public life.


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[Ozyhibby]

I know they say they're social democrats, but Alba could very quickly turn into the pro-independence right wing populist movement that the SNP, to their credit, have done well in stifling the past decade. That terrifies me.

Yip. When you have candidates calling immigrants pigs and calling for independence to be declared without a vote then there is a real danger with them.


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[cabbageandribs1875]

wow Salmond is attracting the undesirables huh :rolleyes:

[JimBHibees]

If Alba are on any less than 5% then all they are doing is helping unionists. If more than that then it’s a problem for unionists. I expect there will be multiple polls by the weekend.


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No one with a modicum of sense can seriously be considering voting alba surely.

[Ozyhibby]

No one with a modicum of sense can seriously be considering voting alba surely.

Total guess but I think they will be at about 3% in the list polls. Enough to harm the SNP and Greens and a major boost for the unionist parties.


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[JimBHibees]

Total guess but I think they will be at about 3% in the list polls. Enough to harm the SNP and Greens and a major boost for the unionist parties.


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The ultimate own goal if that happens.

[weecounty hibby]

Salmond and his ego along with the misfits he is gathering around him will impact the SNP/Indy vote more than the unionists. They will gain some support but will be low possibly 3%is. Not enough for seats but enough to see Green vote share drop possibly stopping them get seats. The minute you get the Wingnuts backing a party you know that party is a basket case. I honestly don't see what the unionist parties are worried about with him. I have yet to speak to anyone sane who has changed their vote from SNP1/2 or SNP1 Green2 to this bunch of fruitcake.
We are going to do the very Scottish thing of infighting and squabbling enough to let the unionists win again. Has happened for centuries and is just history repeating itself

[lapsedhibee]

wow Salmond is attracting the undesirables huh :rolleyes:

Has anyone called them a basket of deplorables yet?

[JimBHibees]

Salmond and his ego along with the misfits he is gathering around him will impact the SNP/Indy vote more than the unionists. They will gain some support but will be low possibly 3%is. Not enough for seats but enough to see Green vote share drop possibly stopping them get seats. The minute you get the Wingnuts backing a party you know that party is a basket case. I honestly don't see what the unionist parties are worried about with him. I have yet to speak to anyone sane who has changed their vote from SNP1/2 or SNP1 Green2 to this bunch of fruitcake.
We are going to do the very Scottish thing of infighting and squabbling enough to let the unionists win again. Has happened for centuries and is just history repeating itself

Absolutely. Classic divide and conquer.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Has anyone called them a basket of deplorables yet?


yes they have















You :wink:

[CloudSquall]

There appears to be some polling underway which includes the Alba Party, will be interesting to see if they register any support once the results are out.

[Ozyhibby]

There appears to be some polling underway which includes the Alba Party, will be interesting to see if they register any support once the results are out.

These first polls will be very important for them. If they don’t get over 5% people will shy away from them.


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[JimBHibees]

These first polls will be very important for them. If they don’t get over 5% people will shy away from them.


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Bound to be reports of big swings to them from SNP even if not the case and corrected two weeks later. :greengrin

[lord bunberry]

The debate begins.

[Green Man]

Willie Rennie went a bit Billy Brown there.

[Santa Cruz]

Has Lorna Slater appeared at Holyrood recently? I've never heard of her and thought Harvie and Alison Johnstone were co-leaders.

[Pretty Boy]

An hour and a bit of people shouting slogans over the top of each other and trying to shoehorn the script in at every opportunity.

I'll stick to the Bake Off.

[lord bunberry]

Sarwar being sensible and coming across well by not going on about independence. Ross being a usual Tory ******.

[weecounty hibby]

These are not worth watching. It is so imbalanced it's not real. It is NS v everyone else in the panel and she has to argue every point against every other person. And for those that think that's fair should remember that she represents 50% of the electorate. The others are representing at best about 20%.

[GlesgaeHibby]

Has Lorna Slater appeared at Holyrood recently? I've never heard of her and thought Harvie and Alison Johnstone were co-leaders.

She's not an MSP yet.

[lord bunberry]

These are not worth watching. It is so imbalanced it's not real. It is NS v everyone else in the panel and she has to argue every point against every other person. And for those that think that's fair should remember that she represents 50% of the electorate. The others are representing at best about 20%.
It would also appear that the carefully selected audience is as impartial as ever :rolleyes:

[weecounty hibby]

It would also appear that the carefully selected audience is as impartial as ever :rolleyes:

Was just about to post similar. It's like question time again, how do they manage to fill audiences in Scotland without finding SNP/Indy supporters?

[CloudSquall]

Twitter will be unbearable with endless tweets of "(my favourite candidate) has performed perfectly and destroyed the others"

[lord bunberry]

Was just about to post similar. It's like question time again, how do they manage to fill audiences in Scotland without finding SNP/Indy supporters?
Finally they’ve found one after about ten unionists.

[stoneyburn hibs]

It would also appear that the carefully selected audience is as impartial as ever :rolleyes:

Hud the bus!

Colin has just scored for the good guys.

[CloudSquall]

I'd prefer these debates without audience participation, it reduces the entire thing to nothing more than a Punch and Judy show.

[cabbageandribs1875]

i've not actually watched a single QT/Debates since the last election, there's no point when it's always unbalanced, i just wait on the wee snippets on fb :)

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[Glory Lurker]

Twitter will be unbearable with endless tweets of "(my favourite candidate) has performed perfectly and destroyed the others"

A lot folk would be at it if they said that because obviously Sturgeon has performed perfectly and destroyed the others.

I'm not even watching it and I know that!

[Ozyhibby]

Twitter will be unbearable with endless tweets of "(my favourite candidate) has performed perfectly and destroyed the others"

Nonsense. You such a cynic.
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[Allant1981]

A lot folk would be at it if they said that because obviously Sturgeon has performed perfectly and destroyed the others.

I'm not even watching it and I know that!

I'm no NS fan but she does speak very well and certainly comes over better than the rest, Willie rennie just annoys me for some reason, no idea why but everytime he speaks I just want to tell him to be quiet!

[weecounty hibby]

I want to kick Douglas Ross square in the nuts!!

[Sir David Gray]

My colleague's in the audience tonight! 😂

[hibsbollah]

The debate is now moving on to whether tackling climate change is a good idea (or whether to just let it happen, presumably).

The standard of political discussion is horrendous. People are more intelligent than the pish they are being served up.

[weecounty hibby]

Douglas ****ing Ross. I mean how can anyone seriously look at that total nugget and take him seriously and vote for him. What a total clown

[lord bunberry]

Wow Ross showing what an absolutely welt he is. I hope him and his party are wiped out at this election. After that I’d vote for the Alba party if I thought it would stop a Tory being elected. My second vote is going to the greens in the hope it stops the tories.

[lord bunberry]

Douglas ****ing Ross. I mean how can anyone seriously look at that total nugget and take him seriously and vote for him. What a total clown
That was disgraceful and showed him up for what he is.

[weecounty hibby]

Twitter will be unbearable with endless tweets of "(my favourite candidate) has performed perfectly and destroyed the others"

Check out Ruth Davidson's tweet about tonight. Strong performance from Ross apparently. If strong performance means making a total James Hunt of yourself then I would agree!

[JeMeSouviens]

Check out Ruth Davidson's tweet about tonight. Strong performance from Ross apparently. If strong performance means making a total James Hunt of yourself then I would agree!

Anything like these ones? Tory bot army. :rolleyes:

https://twitter.com/sjooietwoey/status/1376988019601838092?s=20

[weecounty hibby]

So after calming down a bit and no longer frothing about Ross my take is. Nicola is still a class act and will get my votes all day long. I like the Greens due to their environmental stance and also they support indy. Sarwar did well and will be a decent opposition leader, something we probably need in Scotland. Rennie just seems so pointless to me. Ross is a **** of the highest order and has made my hatred of the Tories even stronger. I hope that they lose very seat possible, even to Labour, as long as an Indy majority is returned

[Mon Dieu4]

Didn't watch it but take it the buzz words of choice from Labour HQ tonight were to describe Sarwar as "the adult in the room" judging by my social media feeds

[18Craig75]

Check out Ruth Davidson's tweet about tonight. Strong performance from Ross apparently. If strong performance means making a total James Hunt of yourself then I would agree!

I was out for a jog along Porty - she was walking her dug the other way. Must’ve seen her about 8pm ish - I only caught the last 15 minutes of the debate.

That tweet suggests she didn’t even get home to see that much of it 😂

[lord bunberry]

So after calming down a bit and no longer frothing about Ross my take is. Nicola is still a class act and will get my votes all day long. I like the Greens due to their environmental stance and also they support indy. Sarwar did well and will be a decent opposition leader, something we probably need in Scotland. Rennie just seems so pointless to me. Ross is a **** of the highest order and has made my hatred of the Tories even stronger. I hope that they lose very seat possible, even to Labour, as long as an Indy majority is returned
I agree with all of that. How any self respecting person can look at Ross and think he’s got this countries best interest at heart is beyond me, utter ****bag of a man, representing an equally ****my party.

[lord bunberry]

I was out for a jog along Porty - she was walking her dug the other way. Must’ve seen her about 8pm ish - I only caught the last 15 minutes of the debate.

That tweet suggests she didn’t even get home to see that much of it 😂
Haha you’re not the only one to have seen her according to Twitter.

[Ozyhibby]

Nothing to do with the content of the debate but your average youtuber has better production values than the BBC these days.


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[The Harp Awakes]

A few observations on tonight's debate:

1. Didn't seem a very balanced audience - predominantly anti indy. Shabby by the BBC but not unexpected from them.
2. Thought Sturgeon, Sarwar and Slater performed pretty well.
3. Willie Rennie wasn't as irritating as he usually is.
4. Douglas Ross - I thought it was impossible for him to come across as more of a d1ck than he actually is. I was wrong.

[Danderhall Hibs]

I haven’t seen it - what did Ross do to come across even worse than normal?

[Hiber-nation]

I haven’t seen it - what did Ross do to come across even worse than normal?

Smiled a lot but in a patronising way. It was a weird look.

[SHODAN]

I haven’t seen it - what did Ross do to come across even worse than normal?

As far as I understand he turned a question about dealing with "hate in society" into an attack on Sarwar for not forming an alliance with him. I think.

[18Craig75]

Check out Ruth Davidson's tweet about tonight. Strong performance from Ross apparently. If strong performance means making a total James Hunt of yourself then I would agree!

I was out for a jog along Porty - she was walking her dug the other way. Must’ve seen her about 8pm ish - I only caught the last 15 minutes of the debate.

That tweet suggests she didn’t even get home to see that much of it 😂

[Ozyhibby]

Just finished watching it. Sarwar probably had the best night because he looked capable and conciliatory. Sturgeon and Slater (once she calmed down after an excitable start) both performed well. Rennie didn’t perform badly but I doubt anyone cares either way. Douglas Ross had a bit of a shocker though.
Doubt it changes much but maybe puts Labour in the hunt for 2nd place.


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[degenerated]

I haven’t seen it - what did Ross do to come across even worse than normal?He shoehorned the word referendum into every single sentence he uttered, said he would refuse to work with the SNP even on climate issues and when they were all asked about condemning abuse he first played the victim card then started on about divisive referendums again. At which point Sarwar had enough, gave him a row and told him to grow up.




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[Santa Cruz]

Just finished watching it. Sarwar probably had the best night because he looked capable and conciliatory. Sturgeon and Slater (once she calmed down after an excitable start) both performed well. Rennie didn’t perform badly but I doubt anyone cares either way. Douglas Ross had a bit of a shocker though.
Doubt it changes much but maybe puts Labour in the hunt for 2nd place.


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Why put Slater front and centre (I've not heard of other, imagine others were the same) and not Harvie who is well known and popular with many voters? Don't think Sturgeon done bad, but got the feeling she wasn't fully focused, she didn't seem herself at all. Realise she will be tired, but something didn't seem right with her, did anyone else think that?

[cabbageandribs1875]

so, was this accurate ? i'd be quite surprised if murray dross didn't mention "Divisive" at least 4/5 times and "pandemic" ditto



https://i.ibb.co/LnZJXDj/referendum.jpg (https://ibb.co/18mdtYy)


oops, just noticed he mentioned Divisive at least x7 :greengrin

[degenerated]

so, was this accurate ? i'd be quite surprised if murray dross didn't mention "Divisive" at least 4/5 times and "pandemic" ditto



https://i.ibb.co/LnZJXDj/referendum.jpg (https://ibb.co/18mdtYy)


oops, just noticed he mentioned Divisive at least x7 :greengrinSounds about right from memory.

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[Ozyhibby]

Why put Slater front and centre (I've not heard of other, imagine others were the same) and not Harvie who is well known and popular with many voters? Don't think Sturgeon done bad, but got the feeling she wasn't fully focused, she didn't seem herself at all. Realise she will be tired, but something didn't seem right with her, did anyone else think that?

I thought she was fine? It’s baked in that she knows her brief and we are used to seeing her deal easily with these things that maybe expectations are higher for her?
No idea about Slater but is it possible that Harvey is isolating? Based on nothing else but the fact that he is always on the video link in parliament?


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[cabbageandribs1875]

Sounds about right from memory.

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ta, he's like a freakin broken record, wouldn't surprise me if he was wearing an earpiece as well

[degenerated]

ta, he's like a freakin broken record, wouldn't surprise me if he was wearing an earpiece as wellIt was a horrendous performance from him tonight. Labour will come out of this ahead of the Tories this time and it will be nowt to do with Sarwar's faux sincerity and everything to do with just how unlikeable Ross is.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

It was a horrendous performance from him tonight. Labour will come out of this ahead of the Tories this time and it will be nowt to do with Sarwar's faux sincerity and everything to do with just how unlikeable Ross is.

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just saw The National headline for tomorrow


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[degenerated]

just saw the National headline for tomorrow


https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/167312991_738587063524981_6164194238366743334_n.jp g?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=BiZKk5QZ--kAX_yY2zV&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=2d05a5a32b59091b809254d8eb1605f1&oe=60877595Seema fair enough :greengrin




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[lord bunberry]

I haven’t seen it - what did Ross do to come across even worse than normal?
At the end of the debate they asked all the leaders to condemn any hate speech from all supporters of each party. Each leader in turn spoke up against it until Ross who used it as an excuse to attack Sarwar(who has been the subject of most of the abuse) for not supporting him in his quest to stop Indyref2.

[Bostonhibby]

Yip. When you have candidates calling immigrants pigs and calling for independence to be declared without a vote then there is a real danger with them.


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There's a whiff of nasty Nigel Farage's pre Brexit UKIP about this sort of behaviour.

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[CloudSquall]

Harvie will be in the next debate for the Greens, as they are co leaders they are taking turns.

[Ozyhibby]

Harvie will be in the next debate for the Greens, as they are co leaders they are taking turns.

That’s a shame because I think she is better than him.


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[cabbageandribs1875]

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[cabbageandribs1875]

what's going on here then

WeeHalfPint on Twitter: "https://t.co/BVIMnHsbTr" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/weehalfpintt/status/1377010270418112520?s=20&fbclid=IwAR0GPbKuYxTQJ3mbAbqnH2YMkxmQsXQB7LJYm5GyR f2xtLv_95GZaRLxRos)

[StevieC]

I thought she was fine? It’s baked in that she knows her brief and we are used to seeing her deal easily with these things that maybe expectations are higher for her?
No idea about Slater but is it possible that Harvey is isolating? Based on nothing else but the fact that he is always on the video link in parliament?

I felt she did look a bit angry .. possibly annoyed at the blatant audience plants, the unchecked lies from Ross and Smith preventing her “right to reply” on a few occasions.

The Greens maybe wanted a female up in case the topic of GRA came up??

[Hibs90]

what's going on here then

WeeHalfPint on Twitter: "https://t.co/BVIMnHsbTr" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/weehalfpintt/status/1377010270418112520?s=20&fbclid=IwAR0GPbKuYxTQJ3mbAbqnH2YMkxmQsXQB7LJYm5GyR f2xtLv_95GZaRLxRos)

Standard practice on social media for this lot "Here guys tweet this..." because they knew he was getting tore a new one.

Delighted to see him get pelters. It's a shame the BBC blocked questions about Brexit and had a pro-union panel. They set the agenda from the get go. I don't know why Sturgeon bothers with them, they are out to get her. Sarah Smith is also just Scotland's version of Laura K.

[JeMeSouviens]

Standard practice on social media for this lot "Here guys tweet this..." because they knew he was getting tore a new one.

Delighted to see him get pelters. It's a shame the BBC blocked questions about Brexit and had a pro-union panel. They set the agenda from the get go. I don't know why Sturgeon bothers with them, they are out to get her. Sarah Smith is also just Scotland's version of Laura K.

It looks more like their accounts are centrally managed?

[lucky]

Just finished watching it. Sarwar probably had the best night because he looked capable and conciliatory. Sturgeon and Slater (once she calmed down after an excitable start) both performed well. Rennie didn’t perform badly but I doubt anyone cares either way. Douglas Ross had a bit of a shocker though.
Doubt it changes much but maybe puts Labour in the hunt for 2nd place.


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Never thought I’d be saying this but I agree with your assessment of last nights debate :greengrin

[cabbageandribs1875]

Standard practice on social media for this lot "Here guys tweet this..." because they knew he was getting tore a new one.

Delighted to see him get pelters. It's a shame the BBC blocked questions about Brexit and had a pro-union panel. They set the agenda from the get go. I don't know why Sturgeon bothers with them, they are out to get her. Sarah Smith is also just Scotland's version of Laura K.


rather Robotic :) i don't think there's another country in the world where it's citizens pay to watch state TV controlled by another Government


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[Ozyhibby]

Never thought I’d be saying this but I agree with your assessment of last nights debate :greengrin

My whole life I’ve thought that eventually everyone will agree with me on everything but I have to admit it’s taking longer than I thought. [emoji23]


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[cabbageandribs1875]

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[lord bunberry]

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/167028648_1653229774864668_3129623410200033428_n.j pg?_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=FMe8YLJ6KewAX_hcihs&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=ee8a7ef15203354a25bd464210e1f76f&oe=6088DB8C
This sort of thing is why I’m not in a union. There was a union set up for taxi drivers, but although I agree with the idea, I can’t go along with the fact they’re so political. What are they going to say if they end getting the 1% that’s on offer elsewhere?

[Bristolhibby]

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Pure cut off your nose to spite your face. Be surprised if this wasn’t accepted.

Electioneering or not. 4% is 4% and it certainly isn’t 1%.

J

[Ozyhibby]

https://news.stv.tv/scotland/nhs-workers-urged-to-reject-4-pre-election-punt-pay-rise?amp&__twitter_impression=true


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[wookie70]

This sort of thing is why I’m not in a union. There was a union set up for taxi drivers, but although I agree with the idea, I can’t go along with the fact they’re so political. What are they going to say if they end getting the 1% that’s on offer elsewhere?

The GMB did not say anything about it being electioneering from what I can see. They talked, quite rightly, about restorative pay which is an entirely appropriate position. Their members will decide which is the beauty of being in a Trade Union.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-56587583#:~:text=The%20GMB%20union%20has%20recomme nded,and%20health%20care%20support%20workers.

[Peevemor]

The GMB did not say anything about it being electioneering from what I can see. They talked, quite rightly, about restorative pay which is an entirely appropriate position. Their members will decide which is the beauty of being in a Trade Union.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-56587583#:~:text=The%20GMB%20union%20has%20recomme nded,and%20health%20care%20support%20workers.


"We see this pay offer for what it is – a pre-election punt" :confused:

[wookie70]

Just finished watching it. Sarwar probably had the best night because he looked capable and conciliatory. Sturgeon and Slater (once she calmed down after an excitable start) both performed well. Rennie didn’t perform badly but I doubt anyone cares either way. Douglas Ross had a bit of a shocker though.
Doubt it changes much but maybe puts Labour in the hunt for 2nd place.


That is a good round up. Sturgeon looked really tired to me and utterly frustrated in having to deal with the horror show that was MRoss. She still made all the right arguments and was, as usual, on message, powerful, measured and looking to work with others. Slater started a wee bit excitable but as the programme wore on she and the Greens were probably the biggest winners in terms of attracting new voters. Sarwar surprised me and did pretty well. Labour are fighting a losing battle but I think Sarward pitching it as the friendly side of Unionism is probably as good a vote winner as any strategy. Rennie isn't really worthy of comment.

After a dire performance MRoss really took it down to a down a few levels further with his responses on the last question where Sturgeon and Sanwar openly heckled him, quite rightly, and any decent Scottish voters simply shook their head witnessing how low the bar is set for Tory Leader

[lapsedhibee]

Sturgeon looked really tired to me and utterly frustrated in having to deal with the horror show that was MRoss.

:greengrin So hope this catches on.

[wookie70]

"We see this pay offer for what it is – a pre-election punt" :confused:

Different article to the one I linked hence not seeing it.

The reason for recommending a rejection in the ITV article is the same as the BBC one though, Pay Restoration. GMB workers in that sector are 14% behind where they were in real terms and this is a single year deal. I think it is reasonable to see it as an election bribe and presumably GMB would want a longer strategy to deal with the fall in wages since austerity. Not just a good rise above inflation this year without any further promises when there are no elections on.

For what it is worth other Public Sector workers earning over £25K will get 2% so NHS workers are getting some recognition for the amazing shift they have put in last year. It doesn't mean it is acceptable though and judging it against the appalling public sector employer down south isn't a bar worth measuring against

[Ozyhibby]

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[Frazerbob]

Tasmina confirmed as number 1 Alba candidate in central Scotland. No surprise there.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/elections-voting/scottish-parliament-election/4?documentId=13051&categoryId=20033

All the candidates for Edinburgh plus the Lothian list.


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[CropleyWasGod]

https://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/elections-voting/scottish-parliament-election/4?documentId=13051&categoryId=20033

All the candidates for Edinburgh plus the Lothian list.


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What's the difference between the "Scottish Labour Party" and the "Scottish Labour Party and Scottish Co-operative Party"?

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/rhyscrilley/status/1377277348173787137?s=21

Interesting thread on the lack of support for Alba.


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[Ozyhibby]

Alba’s full list of candidates



South Scotland: Cynthia Guthrie, Corri Wilson, Suzanne Blackley, Laurie Flynn

Lothian: Kenny MacAskill MP, Alex Arthur, Christina Hendry, Irshad Ahmed

Glasgow: Cllr Michelle Fearns, Ailsa Gray, Cllr Shahid Farooq, Lynn McMahon

North East Scotland: Alex Salmond, Heather McLean, Cllr Brian Topping, Dot Jessiman

West Scotland: Cllr Chris McEleny, Cllr Caroline McAllister, Cllr Ellen McMaster, Delia Henry

Central Scotland: Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh, Cllr Lynne Anderson, Dr Jim Walker, Margaret Lynch

Mid Scotland and Fife: Eva Comrie, Neale Hanvey MP, Jim Eadie, Stephanie Reilly

Highlands and Islands: Kirk Torrance, Craig Berry, Josh Robertson, Judith Reid


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[The Pointer]

Standard practice on social media for this lot "Here guys tweet this..." because they knew he was getting tore a new one.

Delighted to see him get pelters. It's a shame the BBC blocked questions about Brexit and had a pro-union panel. They set the agenda from the get go. I don't know why Sturgeon bothers with them, they are out to get her. Sarah Smith is also just Scotland's version of Laura K.


SNP do exactly the same thing, so hardly surprising other parties do it.

[CloudSquall]

Isn't this Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh's 4th party after running for the Conservatives, Labour and the SNP previously?


If political careerism was in the Olympics she'd be taking gold.

[SHODAN]

Tasmina confirmed as number 1 Alba candidate in central Scotland. No surprise there.

Yup, she co-presents Salmond's RT show. Given this is her fourth party now I'm not convinced she has any strong political convictions.

[SHODAN]

https://twitter.com/rhyscrilley/status/1377277348173787137?s=21

Interesting thread on the lack of support for Alba.


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Reinforces my belief that voting Green is the best way to get a so-called supermajority. It also ensures that Scotland's thinly disguised populist right don't get off the ground any time soon. :aok:

[Ozyhibby]

Reinforces my belief that voting Green is the best way to get a so-called supermajority. It also ensures that Scotland's thinly disguised populist right don't get off the ground any time soon. :aok:

I said earlier that I thought Alba might be worth 3% of the list vote but I’m now beginning to think I have over estimated them. To have less than 9000 followers on Twitter 36 days from polling day does not bode well for them.


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[Pretty Boy]

SNP do exactly the same thing, so hardly surprising other parties do it.

I think it's one of those things that is more obvious when it is coming from an individual or group you disagree with.

After the Hamilton verdict it seems everyone who had ever attended an SNP branch meeting and used Twitter had 'known Nicola Sturgeon since she was 16' and could vouch for how trustworthy and full of integrity she was. Given how extensive her social circle must have been as a teen I'm surprised she found time for education and politics.

That didn't attract a huge amount of comment on here, if any at all, why would it when you look at the party with the most support among posters? I daresay there wasn't too much attention paid to the instructed/controlled tweets of Tory personnel last night in an environment where support for that party is more prevalent.

[Ozyhibby]

I think it's one of those things that is more obvious when it is coming from an individual or group you disagree with.

After the Hamilton verdict it seems everyone who had ever attended an SNP branch meeting and used Twitter had 'known Nicola Sturgeon since she was 16' and could vouch for how trustworthy and full of integrity she was. Given how extensive her social circle must have been as a teen I'm surprised she found time for education and politics.

That didn't attract a huge amount of comment on here, if any at all, why would it when you look at the party with the most support among posters? I daresay there wasn't too much attention paid to the instructed/controlled tweets of Tory personnel last night in an environment where support for that party is more prevalent.

Agree. I think Twitter is a million miles away from reflecting real life.


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[McD]

Alba’s full list of candidates



South Scotland: Cynthia Guthrie, Corri Wilson, Suzanne Blackley, Laurie Flynn

Lothian: Kenny MacAskill MP, Alex Arthur, Christina Hendry, Irshad Ahmed

Glasgow: Cllr Michelle Fearns, Ailsa Gray, Cllr Shahid Farooq, Lynn McMahon

North East Scotland: Alex Salmond, Heather McLean, Cllr Brian Topping, Dot Jessiman

West Scotland: Cllr Chris McEleny, Cllr Caroline McAllister, Cllr Ellen McMaster, Delia Henry

Central Scotland: Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh, Cllr Lynne Anderson, Dr Jim Walker, Margaret Lynch

Mid Scotland and Fife: Eva Comrie, Neale Hanvey MP, Jim Eadie, Stephanie Reilly

Highlands and Islands: Kirk Torrance, Craig Berry, Josh Robertson, Judith Reid


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apologies for being thick, if the Alba party won only one list seat, in Glasgow for example, would that new MSP come from that group of four, leaving salmond on the outside looking in, or would he get it as the party leader?

[Ozyhibby]

apologies for being thick, if the Alba party won only one list seat, in Glasgow for example, would that new MSP come from that group of four, leaving salmond on the outside looking in, or would he get it as the party leader?

It would go to one of those four. Salmond has to win in the North East.


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[Puddocky]

It would go to one of those four. Salmond has to win in the North East.


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It would go to the first name on the list. The order is significant, which will be why Salmond has himself first on the North East list.

[McD]

It would go to one of those four. Salmond has to win in the North East.


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thanks :aok: that’s what I thought but wasn’t sure if it differed for list seats

[cabbageandribs1875]

here comes the bigoted sc*m

Far-right bigot Jayda Fransen to stand against Nicola Sturgeon at Holyrood election - Daily Record (https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/far-right-bigot-jayda-fransen-23831178?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar&fbclid=IwAR0xtY1vnBvbCuRa_s3N5uFTGj9yNWHxG6NaLR63L gPw5QFgm7pHZhB2O4Y)



A convicted racist who targeted Muslim MSP Humza Yousaf has announced a doomed attempt to become an MSP.
Jayda Fransen (https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/rival-right-wing-groups-row-22035882) will stand as an independent against both Nicola Sturgeon and Anas Sarwar in the Glasgow Southside constituency.



The nomination papers confirming her candidacy were published tonight.
The Record first revealed (https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/far-right-bigot-who-targeted-23370172) in January her bizarre plan to stand for election, when she said in a statement: “I am going to be standing in the Scottish elections in May against these SNP commie, Marxists, naughty people.”
She will be hoping to attract more votes than the 56 she received in the 2014 Rotherham and Strood *by-election, when she was outpolled by the Monster Raving Loony Party.

[offshorehibby]

For those still swithering SNP 1&2 or SNP 1 an other 2 here's an interesting insight to voting SNP 1&2 only thing is it darags on for about 20 minuets.

https://vimeo.com/526224315/fd34bcbc12?fbclid=IwAR3vpt5VYq6umjqFKdlJdXUxmc4b6c tYXYEcLgYb-4vXPosOHU1RnWoMprI

[Moulin Yarns]

here comes the bigoted sc*m

Far-right bigot Jayda Fransen to stand against Nicola Sturgeon at Holyrood election - Daily Record (https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/far-right-bigot-jayda-fransen-23831178?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar&fbclid=IwAR0xtY1vnBvbCuRa_s3N5uFTGj9yNWHxG6NaLR63L gPw5QFgm7pHZhB2O4Y)



A convicted racist who targeted Muslim MSP Humza Yousaf has announced a doomed attempt to become an MSP.
Jayda Fransen (https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/rival-right-wing-groups-row-22035882) will stand as an independent against both Nicola Sturgeon and Anas Sarwar in the Glasgow Southside constituency.



The nomination papers confirming her candidacy were published tonight.
The Record first revealed (https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/far-right-bigot-who-targeted-23370172) in January her bizarre plan to stand for election, when she said in a statement: “I am going to be standing in the Scottish elections in May against these SNP commie, Marxists, naughty people.”
She will be hoping to attract more votes than the 56 she received in the 2014 Rotherham and Strood *by-election, when she was outpolled by the Monster Raving Loony Party.

👍 As close to a like button

[cabbageandribs1875]

and in Wales...what a pwick, imagine getting yer kicks out of stuff like this, the behaviour of this crooked corrupt Tory government has brought a whole new low to politics in the UK



https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/166904303_10221766132555703_7303914411848234507_n. jpg?_nc_cat=111&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=wg2GXwPJ0K4AX9-lnnB&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=ed1078a01122950301cf3ddc901ee536&oe=6089689F


sorry, should have put this in another thread ;)

[CropleyWasGod]

Can one spoil the first vote, but still have a valid second vote?

[Ozyhibby]

Can one spoil the first vote, but still have a valid second vote?

I think so. Is it not two separate bits of paper?
Not sure why anyone would though?


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[Moulin Yarns]

Can one spoil the first vote, but still have a valid second vote?

I think that's called voting tory. 😉

[Santa Cruz]

I think so. Is it not two separate bits of paper?
Not sure why anyone would though?


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Yeah two separate ballot papers.

[CropleyWasGod]

I think so. Is it not two separate bits of paper?
Not sure why anyone would though?


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One might not like the choice of first ballot candidates, but be more comfortable with the choice of the list.

[Ozyhibby]

One might not like the choice of first ballot candidates, but be more comfortable with the choice of the list.

True but usually who wins in the first ballot affects who can win on the list. Anyone wishing for a good night for Alba or the Greens really need the SNP to have a great night in the constituency elections I would think. Gets a bit more mixed on the unionist side though.


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[Kato]

here comes the bigoted sc*m

Far-right bigot Jayda Fransen to stand against Nicola Sturgeon at Holyrood election - Daily Record (https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/far-right-bigot-jayda-fransen-23831178?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar&fbclid=IwAR0xtY1vnBvbCuRa_s3N5uFTGj9yNWHxG6NaLR63L gPw5QFgm7pHZhB2O4Y)



A convicted racist who targeted Muslim MSP Humza Yousaf has announced a doomed attempt to become an MSP.
Jayda Fransen (https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/rival-right-wing-groups-row-22035882) will stand as an independent against both Nicola Sturgeon and Anas Sarwar in the Glasgow Southside constituency.



The nomination papers confirming her candidacy were published tonight.
The Record first revealed (https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/far-right-bigot-who-targeted-23370172) in January her bizarre plan to stand for election, when she said in a statement: “I am going to be standing in the Scottish elections in May against these SNP commie, Marxists, naughty people.”
She will be hoping to attract more votes than the 56 she received in the 2014 Rotherham and Strood *by-election, when she was outpolled by the Monster Raving Loony Party.



Describes herself as a “Christian *fundamentalist”.

Someone doesn't understand Christianity very well.

[Smartie]

Describes herself as a “Christian *fundamentalist”.

Someone doesn't understand Christianity very well.

If she shortens it to "mentalist" then I'll probably agree with her.

[CloudSquall]

At least that's the unionist vote stretching out even further :greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210401/affc9856bdcee98cc214c376614cb33f.jpg

Endorsements start to roll in for Alba. Suspect April fools but who knows?


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[lord bunberry]

What's the difference between the "Scottish Labour Party" and the "Scottish Labour Party and Scottish Co-operative Party"?
Lots of Labour politicians are also members of the Co-operative party as well. The two parties have a political pact that goes back to the early part of the last century. I don’t know much about it, but I do remember Edd Balls talking about it on tv a while ago.

[Keith_M]

Can one spoil the first vote, but still have a valid second vote?



Anybody that refers to themself as 'one' shouldn't be allowed to vote.

[lapsedhibee]

Anybody that refers to themself as 'one' shouldn't be allowed to vote.

He wasn't referring to himself though. :tsk tsk:

[CropleyWasGod]

Lots of Labour politicians are also members of the Co-operative party as well. The two parties have a political pact that goes back to the early part of the last century. I don’t know much about it, but I do remember Edd Balls talking about it on tv a while ago.

Cheers.

Never noticed that before 😀

[Santa Cruz]

My daughter's just received a postal vote application form, she didn't apply for one. She's not 16 until June. Anyone know if there is a cut off date for age, i.e 16 before a certain date, or do you have to be 16 on 6 May?

[Sir David Gray]

My daughter's just received a postal vote application form, she didn't apply for one. She's not 16 until June. Anyone know if there is a cut off date for age, i.e 16 before a certain date, or do you have to be 16 on 6 May?

You need to be 16 on polling day to be eligible.

[Santa Cruz]

You need to be 16 on polling day to be eligible.

Cheers SDG. I thought that. Just confused why she's been sent a form.

[Future17]

Cheers SDG. I thought that. Just confused why she's been sent a form.

Do you know how and when she was added to the Electoral Register?

[CloudSquall]

Alba at 3% in the latest poll,

https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1377673249304276993

[Glory Lurker]

Alba at 3% in the latest poll,

https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1377673249304276993

Is the margin for error +/- 3%? I'll opt for their real support to be 0!

[CloudSquall]

Had a futher read and it would roughly translate into a narrow majority for the SNP with 66 seats, Labour second with 24, Tories in third with 21, the Greens with 11 and the Libs with 7.


For those looking for a "super indy majority" it's still looking like SNP 1 and 2 or SNP 1 and Green 2 depending on the region.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/politics/scottish-politics/3022921/its-all-over-for-salmond-exclusive-polling-puts-alba-party-on-3/


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[Hibby Bairn]

Not bad considering it didn't "exist" a week ago.

[Santa Cruz]

Do you know how and when she was added to the Electoral Register?

It was one of those forms they send you each year to update for people in the household. I just completed it a few weeks ago.

[Peevemor]

Not bad considering it didn't "exist" a week ago.Of course it's bad given the calibre of their candidates and their lack of policies. If the get anyone elected, how are they going to vote on non indyref matters in Parliament?

[Jack]

Not bad considering it didn't "exist" a week ago.

The idea of a second independence party has been floating for a while now so it's no surprise to those with an interest that it's appeared. It just doesn't appear to have matched expectations, IMO.

[JeMeSouviens]

Not bad considering it didn't "exist" a week ago.

Desperately bad. They needed a big splash because they have no ground game. 3% is no seats for Alba and 3% off other Indy parties that might need them.

tbh, I’m quite relieved there seems to be no market for McGammon.

[Future17]

It was one of those forms they send you each year to update for people in the household. I just completed it a few weeks ago.

That'll be why then. Some Registration Offices (in fact it might even be all of them) are sending out postal vote applications for new electors as standard due to the preference for keeping folk out of polling stations.

It's not specific to the SP elections - the timing will be more to do with when your daughter was added to the Register.

[JeMeSouviens]

Had a futher read and it would roughly translate into a narrow majority for the SNP with 66 seats, Labour second with 24, Tories in third with 21, the Greens with 11 and the Libs with 7.


For those looking for a "super indy majority" it's still looking like SNP 1 and 2 or SNP 1 and Green 2 depending on the region.

SNP list vote is 37% (v low) and Green 11% (v high) so looks like Alba’s 3% is all disgruntled SNP.

[lapsedhibee]

Desperately bad. They needed a big splash because they have no ground game. 3% is no seats for Alba and 3% off other Indy parties that might need them.

tbh, I’m quite relieved there seems to be no market for McGammon.

Puts the BBC in a difficult position. 3% has the potential to hurt indy, so good, but if they give Alba good coverage so that the 3% doesn't melt away, they risk increasing the 3% to more than 5%, which has the potential to help indy, so bad. Smith will be confuddled.

[lord bunberry]

The idea of a second independence party has been floating for a while now so it's no surprise to those with an interest that it's appeared. It just doesn't appear to have matched expectations, IMO.
I like the idea of a second Independence Party, but the problem is that everyone that’s been set up is full of undesirables that constantly attack the SNP. The argument that it’s gaming the system doesn’t hold water for me, the unionists will use every dirty trick in the book to try and block an independence majority. When you look at how many countries have achieved independence from Britain, it’s mostly included violence and loss of life. Gaming the system is what we should be doing, given that the system was set up to stop us achieving our goals.

[Santa Cruz]

That'll be why then. Some Registration Offices (in fact it might even be all of them) are sending out postal vote applications for new electors as standard due to the preference for keeping folk out of polling stations.

It's not specific to the SP elections - the timing will be more to do with when your daughter was added to the Register.

Cheers for info.

[CloudSquall]

Salmond pushing for Alba inclusion on the next debate, his argument is that they are the fastest growing party in Scotland and already have a similiar level of membership as the Lib Dems and the Greens (no idea if that's true) and that they have double the number of representatives at Westminster than Scottish Labour (very cheeky:greengrin).

[Jack]

I like the idea of a second Independence Party, but the problem is that everyone that’s been set up is full of undesirables that constantly attack the SNP. The argument that it’s gaming the system doesn’t hold water for me, the unionists will use every dirty trick in the book to try and block an independence majority. When you look at how many countries have achieved independence from Britain, it’s mostly included violence and loss of life. Gaming the system is what we should be doing, given that the system was set up to stop us achieving our goals.

I don't see it as gaming at all. The unionists have 2 main and a rather insignificant third party. No reason at all why the independence movement should only be 'allowed' one.

[JeMeSouviens]

I don't see it as gaming at all. The unionists have 2 main and a rather insignificant third party. No reason at all why the independence movement should only be 'allowed' one.

Having 2 parties isn’t gaming. Having one that stands only on the list and has no (public) policies other than creating a useless “supermajority” is gaming.

[lord bunberry]

I don't see it as gaming at all. The unionists have 2 main and a rather insignificant third party. No reason at all why the independence movement should only be 'allowed' one.
I agree, but there’s been a lot of talk saying it’s abusing the electoral system.

[Moulin Yarns]

Not bad considering it didn't "exist" a week ago.

The name of the party was registered on 2nd February. It launched with eck the fish as figurehead last week.

[Future17]

Cheers for info.

:aok:

[cabbageandribs1875]

Higher Higher..

****ar poll puts SNP on 7 per cent of UK vote going into Holyrood election | The National (https://www.thenational.scot/news/19205432.****ar-poll-puts-snp-7-per-cent-uk-vote-going-holyrood-election/?fbclid=IwAR2SAAjNHcB7xeM7V0IAs44aDIceUgAikKcSTyA8 qKMwZCHgTl9hXaXbGsM)

THE SNP (https://www.thenational.scot/politics/snp/) could be on for a historic win in next month’s Holyrood (https://www.thenational.scot/politics/holyrood/) elections, a UK-wide poll has suggested.
The poll, published today by ****ar UK, found that a massive 7% of voters across the whole of the UK would vote SNP in a General Election.
Estimates from the Office for National Statistics (https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/populationestimates/bulletins/annualmidyearpopulationestimates/latest) suggest that around 8.2% of the UK’s population lives in Scotland, meaning a 7% result would be an absolute landslide and is likely outwith the realms of possibility.

[Ozyhibby]

Alba needed a lot bigger numbers in this first poll. They needed to show there was massive unmet demand for what they offered. There isn’t.
There is only 35 days till the election and they need to at least double their numbers and they have no money or infrastructure. I think their support will actually fall back from here when people realise they are not viable for winning seats, which is the only reason they exist supposedly.


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[cabbageandribs1875]

he's gonna have to speak a tad louder to get his message across his new friends

https://i.ibb.co/pxj5qB4/Salmond-Quote.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)


he's accumulating some gutter mouths, NOT what you want to see in parliament...we have enough with alex cole-hamilton

[JeMeSouviens]

Higher Higher..

****ar poll puts SNP on 7 per cent of UK vote going into Holyrood election | The National (https://www.thenational.scot/news/19205432.****ar-poll-puts-snp-7-per-cent-uk-vote-going-holyrood-election/?fbclid=IwAR2SAAjNHcB7xeM7V0IAs44aDIceUgAikKcSTyA8 qKMwZCHgTl9hXaXbGsM)

THE SNP (https://www.thenational.scot/politics/snp/) could be on for a historic win in next month’s Holyrood (https://www.thenational.scot/politics/holyrood/) elections, a UK-wide poll has suggested.
The poll, published today by ****ar UK, found that a massive 7% of voters across the whole of the UK would vote SNP in a General Election.
Estimates from the Office for National Statistics (https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/populationestimates/bulletins/annualmidyearpopulationestimates/latest) suggest that around 8.2% of the UK’s population lives in Scotland, meaning a 7% result would be an absolute landslide and is likely outwith the realms of possibility.


This is, sadly, total bollocks. The Scottish part of a normal sized UK poll is about 85 people! It’s balanced for age, demographics etc across the whole UK sample, not the Scottish bit. So the chances of getting a meaningful number from it are vanishingly small.

Journalists, sheesh!

[JeMeSouviens]

Alba needed a lot bigger numbers in this first poll. They needed to show there was massive unmet demand for what they offered. There isn’t.
There is only 35 days till the election and they need to at least double their numbers and they have no money or infrastructure. I think their support will actually fall back from here when people realise they are not viable for winning seats, which is the only reason they exist supposedly.


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:agree:

If they can’t poll at a meaningful level after the publicity they’ve had this week, they’re not going to.

[Jack]

Having 2 parties isn’t gaming. Having one that stands only on the list and has no (public) policies other than creating a useless “supermajority” is gaming.

So the unionist parties getting together in the past and agreeing to stand or not stand in constituencies isn't gaming or Dross asking for collaboration between the parties, whether they take him up or not, isn't attempted gaming?

The unionists have been at it since the SNP became a thorn in their side and now the independence movement is attempting to do it it's not fair. Oh dear what a shame, never mind!

[hibsbollah]

So the unionist parties getting together in the past and agreeing to stand or not stand in constituencies isn't gaming or Dross asking for collaboration between the parties, whether they take him up or not, isn't attempted gaming?

The unionists have been at it since the SNP became a thorn in their side and now the independence movement is attempting to do it it's not fair. Oh dear what a shame, never mind!

I think the difference is that a lot of Lib Dems or Labour (or even Tory) voters are swayed by a multitude of issues. Health, Education, libertarian vs strong state, foreign policy, environment. That’s still the case even now, Sarwar knows that and that’s one reason why dRoss’ plea was never going to be answered. Does anyone really have a clue what the Alba party’s actual policies are? Ecks head on a new shiny coin to replace the £?

[Skol]

So the unionist parties getting together in the past and agreeing to stand or not stand in constituencies isn't gaming or Dross asking for collaboration between the parties, whether they take him up or not, isn't attempted gaming?

The unionists have been at it since the SNP became a thorn in their side and now the independence movement is attempting to do it it's not fair. Oh dear what a shame, never mind!

I dont see either side as having 'gamed' the system. Instead they have worked to exploit the weaknesses within the systems. I am not aware of any candidates being stood down, but it may have happened.

[Jack]

I think the difference is that a lot of Lib Dems or Labour (or even Tory) voters are swayed by a multitude of issues. Health, Education, libertarian vs strong state, foreign policy, environment. That’s still the case even now, Sarwar knows that and that’s one reason why dRoss’ plea was never going to be answered. Does anyone really have a clue what the Alba party’s actual policies are? Ecks head on a new shiny coin to replace the £?

To be fair on Labour they have actually mentioned getting on with the day job policies while Dross' and the torys are on a single message.

Alba failing in the polls probably has a lot to do with a lack of policies. It perhaps illustrates those seeking independence aren't as shallow as some unionists would have you believe.

[Keith_M]

I said earlier that I thought Alba might be worth 3% of the list vote but I’m now beginning to think I have over estimated them. To have less than 9000 followers on Twitter 36 days from polling day does not bode well for them.


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What's the lottery numbers for tonight?

[Santa Cruz]

I dont see either side as having 'gamed' the system. Instead they have worked to exploit the weaknesses within the systems. I am not aware of any candidates being stood down, but it may have happened.

The Greens clearly came to an agreement with the SNP when they decided to not stand in SNP marginal seats in the 2019 G.E.

https://www.scotsman.com/regions/dundee-and-tayside/general-election-2019-snp-welcomes-decision-greens-not-contest-key-marginal-seats-1402714

[Moulin Yarns]

The Greens clearly came to an agreement with the SNP when they decided to not stand in SNP marginal seats in the 2019 G.E.

https://www.scotsman.com/regions/dundee-and-tayside/general-election-2019-snp-welcomes-decision-greens-not-contest-key-marginal-seats-1402714

As a member of the Perth branch of the Scottish greens at the time of the election I can confirm that the reason a candidate did not stand in North Perthshire is because they were unable to raise the necessary funds to run a campaign.

[Santa Cruz]

As a member of the Perth branch of the Scottish greens at the time of the election I can confirm that the reason a candidate did not stand in North Perthshire is because they were unable to raise the necessary funds to run a campaign.

Pete Wishart thanked them, so bit confused by that tbh

[ronaldo7]

I dont see either side as having 'gamed' the system. Instead they have worked to exploit the weaknesses within the systems. I am not aware of any candidates being stood down, but it may have happened.

Apart from Hollie Cameron, but I suppose she doesn't count as the party have helicoptered a new candidate to take her place.

[ronaldo7]

The Greens clearly came to an agreement with the SNP when they decided to not stand in SNP marginal seats in the 2019 G.E.

https://www.scotsman.com/regions/dundee-and-tayside/general-election-2019-snp-welcomes-decision-greens-not-contest-key-marginal-seats-1402714

Not true.

[Ozyhibby]

To be fair on Labour they have actually mentioned getting on with the day job policies while Dross' and the torys are on a single message.

Alba failing in the polls probably has a lot to do with a lack of policies. It perhaps illustrates those seeking independence aren't as shallow as some unionists would have you believe.

How do Alba improve on those dire poll numbers? It’s difficult to put anyone but Salmond up in front of the media because they have no established policy platform. Is McAskill’s view on EU membership yesterday official party policy? When was it established?
Their only policy appears to be ‘we want to win seats’ and are in favour of independence. 34 days out from polls opening, this seems a little amateur.
With so little time left and the fact they need to at least double their poll numbers, they are very quiet. I would have thought they would be planning stunt after stunt, announcement on top of announcement. I think come 6th May they’ll be lucky to get 2%.


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[JeMeSouviens]

So the unionist parties getting together in the past and agreeing to stand or not stand in constituencies isn't gaming or Dross asking for collaboration between the parties, whether they take him up or not, isn't attempted gaming?

The unionists have been at it since the SNP became a thorn in their side and now the independence movement is attempting to do it it's not fair. Oh dear what a shame, never mind!

Murray Ross is attempting to game*, yes, but afaik there have never been any electoral pacts or even tacit agreements of Unionists standing aside for each other. Do you have any examples?


* although imo, he doesn't actually want an electoral pact, he wants to be seen to have offered one and been refused.

[Ozyhibby]

Murray Ross is attempting to game*, yes, but afaik there have never been any electoral pacts or even tacit agreements of Unionists standing aside for each other. Do you have any examples?


* although imo, he doesn't actually want an electoral pact, he wants to be seen to have offered one and been refused.

It is absolutely a ploy to paint Labour as weak on the union. Problem he has is he just doesn’t have the subtlety to set political traps like that. He’s just not very good.


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[JeMeSouviens]

The Greens clearly came to an agreement with the SNP when they decided to not stand in SNP marginal seats in the 2019 G.E.

https://www.scotsman.com/regions/dundee-and-tayside/general-election-2019-snp-welcomes-decision-greens-not-contest-key-marginal-seats-1402714

No, they didn't.

It suits the Greens to be seen to be standing aside (in seats where let's face it, they have zero chance of winning) because it means they have more chance of attracting Indy supporters when it comes to the Holyrood list votes.

[JeMeSouviens]

It is absolutely a ploy to paint Labour as weak on the union. Problem he has is he just doesn’t have the subtlety to set political traps like that. He’s just not very good.


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:agree:

I've often thought, "what sort of person would actually want to become a referee?"

Well, there's my answer. :wink:

[Santa Cruz]

Not true.

This not true?

https://www.thenational.scot/news/18029578.general-election-scottish-greens-wont-stand-key-marginal-seats/

[ronaldo7]

This not true?

https://www.thenational.scot/news/18029578.general-election-scottish-greens-wont-stand-key-marginal-seats/

You said, there was clearly an agreement between the SNP and the greens. That's not true, unless you can support your assertion with evidence.

[Santa Cruz]

You said, there was clearly an agreement between the SNP and the greens. That's not true, unless you can support your assertion with evidence.

My assertion is based on Pete Wishart's thanks to the Green's. What's he thanking them for, why would he feel the need to do that? I've no evidence, just a poster giving a view on a football forum, like yourself.

[ronaldo7]

My assertion is based on Pete Wishart's thanks to the Green's. What's he thanking them for, why would he feel the need to do that? I've no evidence, just a poster giving a view on a football forum, like yourself.

You've already been told by a green member and an snp member that their was no agreement.

You've no evidence to back up your assertion.

Over and out.

[Santa Cruz]

You've already been told by a green member and an snp member that their was no agreement.

You've no evidence to back up your assertion.

Over and out.

Aye ok. Telt by 2 posters. Must be true then.

Roger.

[ronaldo7]

Aye ok. Telt by 2 posters. Must be true then.

Roger.

💏

[Moulin Yarns]

Aye ok. Telt by 2 posters. Must be true then.

Roger.

I can give you chapter and verse on the selection process if you want. 🤔

[Smartie]

I can give you chapter and verse on the selection process if you want. 🤔

I don't think it would be worth your while.

[Santa Cruz]

I can give you chapter and verse on the selection process if you want. 🤔

Thanks MY, but I won't require that. I'm happy enough with the various articles I've now read. :aok:

[Moulin Yarns]

The Greens clearly came to an agreement with the SNP when they decided to not stand in SNP marginal seats in the 2019 G.E.

https://www.scotsman.com/regions/dundee-and-tayside/general-election-2019-snp-welcomes-decision-greens-not-contest-key-marginal-seats-1402714

If you want a football analogy, rangers thanks St mirren for taking points off Celtc. 😉


How do explain the Greens standing in a record number of Constituencies in May?

[Santa Cruz]

If you want a football analogy, rangers thanks St mirren for taking points off Celtc. 😉


How do explain the Greens standing in a record number of Constituencies in May?

You've made your point, I don't share your view. It looks suspect to me when it was a marginal seat.

How are the Greens funding their campaign, your previous post said they stood down a candidate in the GE election due to lack of funding?

[Ozyhibby]

If you want a football analogy, rangers thanks St mirren for taking points off Celtc. [emoji6]


How do explain the Greens standing in a record number of Constituencies in May?

Including in the marginal Edinburgh Central.


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[ronaldo7]

Including in the marginal Edinburgh Central.


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The greens are standing candidates in constituencies they've never been in before.

It's a stitch up. 😒

[Santa Cruz]

The greens are standing candidates in constituencies they've never been in before.

It's a stitch up. 😒

I agree, I think they are being stitched up. "Both votes SNP"

[JeMeSouviens]

I agree, I think they are being stitched up. "Both votes SNP"

I think you're way off. Do you think the Greens would get to anywhere near 11 list seats (latest polling) if they were seen as full blooded competition to the SNP? They play a canny game.

[Moulin Yarns]

You've made your point, I don't share your view. It looks suspect to me when it was a marginal seat.

How are the Greens funding their campaign, your previous post said they stood down a candidate in the GE election due to lack of funding?

Well, for a start, there are no millionaire donors with off shore accounts. A party with finite resources will target seats, not always with a view to winning but to raise awareness.

[Moulin Yarns]

Thanks MY, but I won't require that. I'm happy enough with the various articles I've now read. :aok:

Believe the media over a 'horses mouth' source?

Fair enough, but you have been proven to be wrong on this occasion. 😉

[Santa Cruz]

Believe the media over a 'horses mouth' source?

Fair enough, but you have been proven to be wrong on this occasion. 😉

A "horses mouth"? Proven wrong by who exactly? How condescending.

I thought the National was pro SNP?

I'm going to get on with my day now and leave you all to crack on with your views where you all agree with each other.

[Moulin Yarns]

A "horses mouth"? Proven wrong by who exactly? How condescending.

I thought the National was pro SNP?

I'm going to get on with my day now and leave you all to crack on with your views where you all agree with each other.

Well, living in the Constituency you referred to, and knowing why no green candidate was selected by the branch, I'm pretty sure that you have been proven to be wrong on this occasion.

[heretoday]

Can't stand the greens. Never thought I'd say that on this site.

[DaveF]

I'm going to get on with my day now and leave you all to crack on with your views where you all agree with each other.

That line trotted out again when it's easier to whinge about others rather admit you are on the wrong end of a point.

[Santa Cruz]

That line trotted out again when it's easier to whinge about others rather admit you are on the wrong end of a point.

Wasn't whingeing, stating a fact. Who are you to say my point of view is wrong btw. Now if it's alright with you Dave F, I am going back to continue some housework. To be clear that's not a whinge, it's an actual thing.

[Ozyhibby]

Alba party seems to be limiting its campaigning to sending two tweets per day and that’s about it? Am I missing something here? Are they killing it on Facebook or Instagram?


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[Skol]

So one of the posts about gaming said it also happened on the 'No' side standing candidates down, but the only examples are involving Greens/SNP. Are there any other examples ?

[Smartie]

Can't stand the greens. Never thought I'd say that on this site.

What is it about them exactly that offends you so much?

I can understand why folk might hate any of the other political parties for any number of reasons, but I find it a bit harder to understand why anyone would take issue with the greens.

[wookie70]

Can't stand the greens. Never thought I'd say that on this site.

Why, is it because they are a left wing party a good deal to the left of what the SNP are.

[greenlex]

What is it about them exactly that offends you so much?

I can understand why folk might hate any of the other political parties for any number of reasons, but I find it a bit harder to understand why anyone would take issue with the greens.

Ginger leaders. Never worked since Kinniock.

[Ozyhibby]

So one of the posts about gaming said it also happened on the 'No' side standing candidates down, but the only examples are involving Greens/SNP. Are there any other examples ?

Which examples?


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[Kato]

Ginger leaders. Never worked since Kinniock.Didn't work for him either.

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