Scottish Election 2021

[Hibs Class]

Do you think this is a good or bad thing? I think you can argue it both ways. Kids should do what they're motivated by, society needs arts etc. Otoh, the future of our economy should absolutely be pinned on tech, and the more innovation the better.

I agree you can argue both ways. I think the consensus view is that STEM qualifications are of more value in career terms (esp. financially) but the value to society from the humanities etc. is also vital and often under-estimated. I think the CfE is good in offering that broad general education to S3, but the good work is then undone when the options going into S4 are limited and children are much likelier to drop e.g. music or a language than maths, English or a science.

[Smartie]

You wouldn’t know reading the guardian there is a huge election in Scotland tomorrow. It’s all about Hartlepool.

TBH you wouldn't easily know from living in Scotland that there was a big election going on tomorrow.

It's peculiarly low-key.

[danhibees1875]

I agree you can argue both ways. I think the consensus view is that STEM qualifications are of more value in career terms (esp. financially) but the value to society from the humanities etc. is also vital and often under-estimated. I think the CfE is good in offering that broad general education to S3, but the good work is then undone when the options going into S4 are limited and children are much likelier to drop e.g. music or a language than maths, English or a science.

When did CfE come in? I remember there being a change after I left school but wasn't really sure what exactly had changed.

Learning was pretty broad up to S2 "back in my day" - to the point where I'd struggle to remember exactly what all the different subjects were. Then S3 & S4 were more focused, only doing 8 subjects. S5 then went down to 5. Then S6 was all over the place and a bit of a waste of time.

When I submitted my choices at one of those stages I was encouraged to take one of the more artsy type ones than what I had chosen for "balance" but at the time none of them particularly interested me.

[Santa Cruz]

When did CfE come in? I remember there being a change after I left school but wasn't really sure what exactly had changed.

Learning was pretty broad up to S2 "back in my day" - to the point where I'd struggle to remember exactly what all the different subjects were. Then S3 & S4 were more focused, only doing 8 subjects. S5 then went down to 5. Then S6 was all over the place and a bit of a waste of time.

When I submitted my choices at one of those stages I was encouraged to take one of the more artsy type ones than what I had chosen for "balance" but at the time none of them particularly interested me.

Not sure exactly, can distinctly remember getting handed a PDP for completion for my then 5 year old in 2010. No words...

[Moulin Yarns]

When did CfE come in? I remember there being a change after I left school but wasn't really sure what exactly had changed.

Learning was pretty broad up to S2 "back in my day" - to the point where I'd struggle to remember exactly what all the different subjects were. Then S3 & S4 were more focused, only doing 8 subjects. S5 then went down to 5. Then S6 was all over the place and a bit of a waste of time.

When I submitted my choices at one of those stages I was encouraged to take one of the more artsy type ones than what I had chosen for "balance" but at the time none of them particularly interested me.

Developed in 2002,implemented in 2003. What parties ran the Scottish Government at the time?

Clue: they don't expect to form the next Scottish government.

[Ozyhibby]

Yet, you've acknowledged yourself they need to make quick changes to Education. So, you must have identified something your not happy with presumably?

I think there is a problem with education, I’m just saying that it won’t move many votes.


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[Ozyhibby]

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Is this the last poll now?


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[Peevemor]

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Is this the last poll now?


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There's one in the Scotsman - it's brilliant!


Worst polling for SNP since October 2019 ahead of election day

The SNP could be set for its worst result at the Scottish Parliament elections since it first came to power in 2007 under Alex Salmond, a new poll suggests.

The exclusive poll, conducted by Savanta ComRes for The Scotsman, suggests Nicola Sturgeon’s party could be set for a shock result, leaving them well short of a majority.


They even put up a photo of Nicola looking sad to emphasise the point

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https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/worst-polling-for-snp-since-october-2019-ahead-of-election-day-3224558

We're doomed. Obviously.

[danhibees1875]

Developed in 2002,implemented in 2003. What parties ran the Scottish Government at the time?

Clue: they don't expect to form the next Scottish government.

That was when I was in school...

Looks like implementation was in 2010/11 ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curriculum_for_Excellence#cite_note-7 ) with new qualifications system around 2014/2015.

I guess the answer to the question is that SNP were running a minority government at the time it was implemented. I imagine they have high hopes of forming the government again next week. :greengrin

[ronaldo7]

Listening to reports from Unionists recently, all saying we need to be out of the pandemic before thinking about having another Indyref.

England seem to be planning on opening up fully from June 21st, and we won't be far behind them.

The next couple of years seems feasible to me.

Let's get this election won, and move onto the real stuff.

[JeMeSouviens]

From Prof Curtice:


Average of the 5 polls published in last 24 hours

SNP 49/38
Con 22/22
Lab 21/18
Green - /10
LD 7/6
Alba -/3

On a uniform projection = 64 SNP seats.
In short polls suggest 50/50 chance of SNP overall majority.

[CloudSquall]

At this point it is all about how much of the SNP vote they get out on the day, I'm getting the nervous "Hibs vs inferior opposition at Hampden" pre-match feeling..

[Hibs Class]

When did CfE come in? I remember there being a change after I left school but wasn't really sure what exactly had changed.

Learning was pretty broad up to S2 "back in my day" - to the point where I'd struggle to remember exactly what all the different subjects were. Then S3 & S4 were more focused, only doing 8 subjects. S5 then went down to 5. Then S6 was all over the place and a bit of a waste of time.

When I submitted my choices at one of those stages I was encouraged to take one of the more artsy type ones than what I had chosen for "balance" but at the time none of them particularly interested me.

Implementation was phased. Don't remember exact dates but my youngest was in primary school from 2004-11 and it applied to her in at least her final years, whilst at high school her year was only the second to sit the new Nationals.

[wookie70]

Developed in 2002,implemented in 2003. What parties ran the Scottish Government at the time?

Clue: they don't expect to form the next Scottish government.

Yep, this document (https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/145240821.pdf)gives a pretty good run down of the history

[Santa Cruz]

Developed in 2002,implemented in 2003. What parties ran the Scottish Government at the time?

Clue: they don't expect to form the next Scottish government.

If there is a policy that is not achieving a higher standard of education, and the FM wants to be judged on the policy, I think 14 years is long enough for the Government taking over to make the changes necessary. Reducing class sizes would help give pupils more one to one time, who's pledge was it to deliver that?

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/scottish-labour-s-quiet-tory-strategist/amp?__twitter_impression=true

Can’t be long till the two parties merge?


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[Glory Lurker]

At this point it is all about how much of the SNP vote they get out on the day, I'm getting the nervous "Hibs vs inferior opposition at Hampden" pre-match feeling..

SNP turnout has been concerning me a lot of late, but that analogy you've made has just about put me over the edge!

[Kato]

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/scottish-labour-s-quiet-tory-strategist/amp?__twitter_impression=true

Can’t be long till the two parties merge?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk"Davidson’s cheery, accessible image"

Weird how people view things in different ways.

During Davidson's salad days I thought she exuded a "wouldn't trust her as far as I could throw her/forked tongue" image.

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[Moulin Yarns]

That was when I was in school...

Looks like implementation was in 2010/11 ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curriculum_for_Excellence#cite_note-7 ) with new qualifications system around 2014/2015.

I guess the answer to the question is that SNP were running a minority government at the time it was implemented. I imagine they have high hopes of forming the government again next week. :greengrin

The Salmond government was voted in on May 6th 2011, it was planned and implemented by the Labour and lib dems before that.

[Santa Cruz]

The Salmond government was voted in on May 6th 2011, it was planned and implemented by the Labour and lib dems before that.

Was the SNP not the main party in a minority gov in 2007?

[danhibees1875]

The Salmond government was voted in on May 6th 2011, it was planned and implemented by the Labour and lib dems before that.

SNP were a minority government from 2007, but I'm not really interested in the political aspect of it (I'm not convinced it's either a good or bad thing to warrant any political celebration/criticism) - I just wanted to know when it had came in as it was some time after I left school (2009). :aok:

[wookie70]

Was the SNP not the main party in a minority gov in 2007? They had 1 more seat than Labour so although they were the main party that government had to do everything with the agreement of other parties. In many ways it was what the electoral system was trying to deliver

[Bangkok Hibby]

"Davidson’s cheery, accessible image"

Weird how people view things in different ways.

During Davidson's salad days I thought she exuded a "wouldn't trust her as far as I could throw her/forked tongue" image.

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Yep me too, but all Tory women have always had that effect on me.

[The Harp Awakes]

There's one in the Scotsman - it's brilliant!



They even put up a photo of Nicola looking sad to emphasise the point

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https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/worst-polling-for-snp-since-october-2019-ahead-of-election-day-3224558

We're doomed. Obviously.


Their sister paper the Scotland on Sunday manipulated the results of an independence opinion poll a few weeks back to favour the No vote. More than likely the Scotsman has done the same again with their latest opinion poll as the results are way out of step from John Curtice's average.

Don't see the point in them trying to enhance the unionist parties performance as it's more than likely to spur the SNP vote to turn out on the day.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Bonnie Dundee

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[Jones28]

Well that’s it now folks, big day for Scotland’s future tomorrow.

I’ll be at the polling station bright and early before work.

[Moulin Yarns]

Bonnie Dundee

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Good photoshop. The black strips are quite deeply recessed.

[heretoday]

Bonnie Dundee

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He's not going to be around for ever is he?
Blimey!

[Ozyhibby]

He's not going to be around for ever is he?
Blimey!

Neither am I, so I don’t want him in charge of Scotland any longer than is necessary.


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[JeMeSouviens]

He's not going to be around for ever is he?
Blimey!

His replacement is likely to be Sunak, who brought the covid deniers into downing st, or Gove, who is Gove.

Blimey indeed.

[lapsedhibee]

His replacement is likely to be Sunak, who brought the covid deniers into downing st, or Gove, who is Gove.

Blimey indeed.

:greengrin

[Alex Trager]

His replacement is likely to be Sunak, who brought the covid deniers into downing st, or Gove, who is Gove.

Blimey indeed.

****ing Gove.

The ***** ****

[StevieC]

His replacement is likely to be Sunak, who brought the covid deniers into downing st, or Gove, who is Gove.

Cause for 24 years I've been living next door to Gove ..
Gove? Gove? Who the f*** is Gove?

[SHODAN]

His replacement is likely to be Sunak, who brought the covid deniers into downing st, or Gove, who is Gove.

Blimey indeed.

Or Rees-Mogg.

It is, quite astonishingly, only downhill from Boris.

[Mon Dieu4]

Just voted and they had a good system in place, person at the door asks where you live and directs you to your polling table and booth, all one way, have to say that it seemed like the numbers were pretty much the same as every other time I've voted

[Ozyhibby]

Just voted and they had a good system in place, person at the door asks where you live and directs you to your polling table and booth, all one way, have to say that it seemed like the numbers were pretty much the same as every other time I've voted

Mine seemed busier than normal to be honest. Voted Green on the list for the first time. Long wait now till tomorrow afternoon for some results.


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[Ozyhibby]

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Handy guide for Indy supporters.[emoji106]


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[Jamesie]

Alba > 0.5 MSPs being offered at 4/6 by Ladbrokes and 8/13 at SkyBet. That is the political bet of the day IMHO.

[Moulin Yarns]

Alba > 0.5 MSPs being offered at 4/6 by Ladbrokes and 8/13 at SkyBet. That is the political bet of the day IMHO.

I don't want to imagine what 0.5 of Alex Salmond might look like. 😉

[Ozyhibby]

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[Jones28]

****ing well slept in didnt I? :rolleyes:

[Smartie]

****ing Gove.

The ***** ****

It's funny how you can see a couple of sentences which are mainly stars, understand exactly what is being said and agree with every single word.

[JeMeSouviens]

It's funny how you can see a couple of sentences which are mainly stars, understand exactly what is being said and agree with every single word.

I think it might be missing an apostrophe. :greengrin

[Frazerbob]

Alba > 0.5 MSPs being offered at 4/6 by Ladbrokes and 8/13 at SkyBet. That is the political bet of the day IMHO.

SkyBet offering SNP constituency vote share 45-49.9% at 4/5. Seems like a shoe in to me.

[Alex Trager]

I think it might be missing an apostrophe. :greengrin

Good spot

[Alex Trager]

It's funny how you can see a couple of sentences which are mainly stars, understand exactly what is being said and agree with every single word.

[emoji1360]

[Moulin Yarns]

Been and put my crosses in the appropriate boxes. Never liked multiple choice exam papers. Get the results at the weekend, hopefully I'll get 100% 👍

[JeMeSouviens]

Good scene setter putting Scottish politics in its historical context. If only we could get the Westminster based media to read it before opening their traps this weekend!

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/how-scottish-independence-stopped-being-scary/

[Moulin Yarns]

https://pca.st/uhr2fg8c

A wee podcast for today.

[cabbageandribs1875]

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this morning :shocked:

[Pretty Boy]

Is campaigning allowed while polling is open in Scotland?

[Moulin Yarns]

Is campaigning allowed while polling is open in Scotland?

Pretty sure it is not.

[Pretty Boy]

Pretty sure it is not.

Does it apply to social media?

I'm not the type to report anyone or anything but there are a few people I follow on Twitter, Ross Greer probably being the most notable, who are tweeting stuff that can only be described as campaigning.

[Santa Cruz]

Is campaigning allowed while polling is open in Scotland?

It would be normal for candidates to turn up at Polling Stations to engage in the hope they can influence a change in voting choice. Unsure what the rules are due to the pandemic but personally can't see a problem with them standing outside at a safe distance.

[Skol]

For the umpteenth time I will get a government I didnt vote for. :-(

Democracy is great. :-)

[JeMeSouviens]

Does it apply to social media?

I'm not the type to report anyone or anything but there are a few people I follow on Twitter, Ross Greer probably being the most notable, who are tweeting stuff that can only be described as campaigning.

I think traditionally it stops because the papers have already been printed and broadcast media isn't allowed to put out anything on the day that could influence the result. I don't think there are any actual rules that apply to candidates, but I don't know for sure.

[JeMeSouviens]

https://pca.st/uhr2fg8c

A wee podcast for today.

Don't you want me baby? as the soundtrack to Sturgeon/Salmond is genius. :greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

For the umpteenth time I will get a government I didnt vote for. :-(

Democracy is great. :-)

It’s ok when that happens to individuals but if it keeps happening to whole countries then something is wrong.[emoji106]


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[Moulin Yarns]

I think traditionally it stops because the papers have already been printed and broadcast media isn't allowed to put out anything on the day that could influence the result. I don't think there are any actual rules that apply to candidates, but I don't know for sure.

The only rule I know of is no campaigning is allowed INSIDE a polling station. Even down to wearing badges or rosettes.

[hibsbollah]

I’ve voted at the same place maybe ten or eleven times in different elections, I’ve never seen queues like this before...lack of volunteers or high turnout?

[JeMeSouviens]

I’ve voted at the same place maybe ten or eleven times in different elections, I’ve never seen queues like this before...lack of volunteers or high turnout?

Social distancing inside? I don't know, because I voted by post.

[hibsbollah]

Social distancing inside? I don't know, because I voted by post.

Yes of course :doh:

[overdrive]

I don’t think the set up at my polling station was the best. The hand sanitizer was nowhere to be seen and the lady didn’t push either the ballot papers or pencil through the gap at the bottom of the Perspex screen so you had to push your finger through touching the screen. No one way system in place.

Also not helpful that the guy managing the entry was inside trying to relay information to the front of the queue outside which was impossible to hear given the combination of his mask and the tram works immediately next to the queue.

[Since90+2]

My polling station was dead. Probably about 5 people in the place when I went in.

[Moulin Yarns]

I don’t think the set up at my polling station was the best. The hand sanitizer was nowhere to be seen and the lady didn’t push either the ballot papers or pencil through the gap at the bottom of the Perspex screen so you had to push your finger through touching the screen. No one way system in place.

Also not helpful that the guy managing the entry was inside trying to relay information to the front of the queue outside which was impossible to hear given the combination of his mask and the tram works immediately next to the queue.

Did you not take your own pencil? I always carry my own hand sanitiser as well.

[Ozyhibby]

My polling station was dead. Probably about 5 people in the place when I went in.

Hope you live in the borders.[emoji6]


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[overdrive]

Did you not take your own pencil? I always carry my own hand sanitiser as well.

I did but she was putting a pencil on top of every set of ballot papers and leaving them on her side of the screen.

[Ozyhibby]

My polling station was dead. Probably about 5 people in the place when I went in.

Hope you live in the borders.[emoji6]


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[JeMeSouviens]

A bit o/t but how good is this?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rl6NnfiYrwQ

[Kato]

A bit o/t but how good is this?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rl6NnfiYrwQ
All the charisma of a brush.

Great jingle at the end, do they anything up on spotify? An album or two maybe?

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[CloudSquall]

A bit o/t but how good is this?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rl6NnfiYrwQ


I'm glad I wasn't drinking something when the song hit, but I can be sure "vote for Greg Kniiiiiiiiiiiiight" will be in my head for the rest of the day:grr:

[Skol]

It’s ok when that happens to individuals but if it keeps happening to whole countries then something is wrong.[emoji106]


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As far as I know it has never happened to a whole country. Actually, it may have happened to NI, but thats because they stand their own parties and no one has an option to vote for who will actually form the government.

[Ozyhibby]

As far as I know it has never happened to a whole country. Actually, it may have happened to NI, but thats because they stand their own parties and no one has an option to vote for who will actually form the government.

Are you saying Scotland is not a country?


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[CathroMustStay]

Above all else... VOTE! Despite a reported record number of people registered for a Holyrood election, if a good chunk of us (particularly under-30s who vote at lower rates) don't vote, then it could make it easier for conservative votes to have more influence within the final outcome.
Apart from the South Scotland region (comprising of 9 constituency seats from the likes of East Lothian and Ayr, to Galloway & West Dumfries) at a push... VIRTUALLY EVERY SINGLE LIST VOTE FOR THE SNP WOULD BE WASTED. Why?


Because while everyone should vote for the SNP on the constituency vote (whatever justified misgivings we have with the SNP in some areas), whether the SNP get a majority or not will solely be down to how successful the SNP are on the Constituency vote.

In 2011 when the SNP got a majority (69 seats), it was down to all 3 unionist parties declining (including a Lib Dem collapse), with the SNP almost perfectly achieving a "brilliant but not too brilliant" result -> 53/73 constituency seats, allowing them to still obtain a significant 16 list seats.

In this election, there is a danger (like in the last Holyrood election in 2016) that the SNP become a victim of their own success. Last time the SNP won 59/73 constituency seats, but just 4 list seats.

In my considered opinion, today's worst case scenario re how many constituency seats the SNP will achieve is 59/73 seats once again. Therefore from a proactive position we have to dismiss any notion that we need to vote SNP on the list, because the system itself doesn't work that way.

#BothVotesSNP should be avoided at all costs, but as long as we all vote & mobilise others (family/friends/colleagues) to vote SNP on the constituency vote, we can obtain 65/73 SNP constituency seats from across Scotland to secure an SNP majority which is further enhanced with a record number of Green MSPs on the list.

Regardless of my own opinion of the Alba party (which is that it's Salmond's vanity project with a USP that - indyref2 aside - is basically obsession over trans issues with all the scaremongering that's reminiscent of what gay rights advocates suffered circa 1980s-2000s), polling simply doesn't indicate any viability for Alba on the list.

They are merely a distraction from the only other pro-independence party, that is actually viable & genuinely progressive: the Scottish Greens. Just because the Greens have the audacity not to solely talk about the constitution, doesn't mean the party as a whole (including its various leaders from Patrick Harvie & Lorna Slater, through to its youth wing figures) isn't pro-independence. It just happens to believe the scientific consensus that radical action to tackle climate change is urgent.

Before today, the most seats the Greens have ever won at Holyrood is 7. With a concerted effort, we can help secure anywhere from 9-15 Green seats. It's within our grasp.

Today in a voting booth near you (open 7am-10pm), please vote:

SNP 1 (constituency vote) Scottish Greens 2 (list vote)

[Moulin Yarns]

As far as I know it has never happened to a whole country. Actually, it may have happened to NI, but thats because they stand their own parties and no one has an option to vote for who will actually form the government.

In the FPTP election system favoured by the UK it has been known for more than 60% of votes cast didn't get the government it voted for. Fortunately the slightly better system used for the Scottish government election the vast majority will have some representation of their votes. That's why we keep getting Murdo ****ing fraser in mid scotland and fife. 🙄

[danhibees1875]

As far as I know it has never happened to a whole country. Actually, it may have happened to NI, but thats because they stand their own parties and no one has an option to vote for who will actually form the government.

If we're blaming election systems then it happens in America too (not sure how often). I think Clinton had about 1M more votes than Trump in 2016.

[Frazerbob]

Big queues at both Jock’s Lodge and Leith Kirkgate polling places (not stations 🤬) this morning. Easily 20+ outside waiting to cast their votes.

[Skol]

Are you saying Scotland is not a country?


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No and I am not sure how you reached that conclusion. When has there been a government that no one in Scotland voted for ?

[weecounty hibby]

No and I am not sure how you reached that conclusion. When has there been a government that no one in Scotland voted for ?

In my lifetime I have had zero UK governments that I have voted for and 3 Scottish governments I have voted for. If you are about my age, 52, as a Labour voter you will have had 3 UK governments and 2 Scottish governments that you voted for. Sadly when it comes a UK wide election your vote is largely unimportant and both Labour and the Tories know that. It is less important to the Tories than Labour as Labour generally require Scotland to win, the Tories don't. Even in this parliament if every seat had gone to Labour there would still have been an 80 seat majority for the Tories.

[lapsedhibee]

If we're blaming election systems then it happens in America too (not sure how often). I think Clinton had about 1M more votes than Trump in 2016.

Nearly 3 million more.

[Frazerbob]

In my lifetime I have had zero UK governments that I have voted for and 3 Scottish governments I have voted for. If you are about my age, 52, as a Labour voter you will have had 3 UK governments and 2 Scottish governments that you voted for. Sadly when it comes a UK wide election your vote is largely unimportant and both Labour and the Tories know that. It is less important to the Tories than Labour as Labour generally require Scotland to win, the Tories don't. Even in this parliament if every seat had gone to Labour there would still have been an 80 seat majority for the Tories.

Scotland hasn't voted Tory in my life time yet I’ve had a Tory government in Westminster 3 quarters of my life. Think it was the 50’s last time Scotland voted Tory.

[Ozyhibby]

In my lifetime I have had zero UK governments that I have voted for and 3 Scottish governments I have voted for. If you are about my age, 52, as a Labour voter you will have had 3 UK governments and 2 Scottish governments that you voted for. Sadly when it comes a UK wide election your vote is largely unimportant and both Labour and the Tories know that. It is less important to the Tories than Labour as Labour generally require Scotland to win, the Tories don't. Even in this parliament if every seat had gone to Labour there would still have been an 80 seat majority for the Tories.

And the Tories are safe in England for a long time to come. They have found a successful recipe in English nationalism. You’ll see it tonight when the previously safe Labour seat of Hartlepool goes to the Tories.
And if Scotland isn’t keen on a bit of English nationalism? It doesn’t matter. We just have to accept it. We will always be out voted by the weight of population in England.


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[weecounty hibby]

And the Tories are safe in England for a long time to come. They have found a successful recipe in English nationalism. You’ll see it tonight when the previously safe Labour seat of Hartlepool goes to the Tories.
And if Scotland isn’t keen on a bit of English nationalism? It doesn’t matter. We just have to accept it. We will always be out voted by the weight of population in England.


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Yip, 100% but still there are people who are happy to keep that happening. There is nothing equal in the union. England always gets what England wants, and unfortunately so do we.

[hibsbollah]

Scotland hasn't voted Tory in my life time yet I’ve had a Tory government in Westminster 3 quarters of my life. Think it was the 50’s last time Scotland voted Tory.

Strictly speaking it was the Scottish Unionist Party that won up here, they only merged with the UK Conservatives in the 1960s. They were also the biggest party in the 20s and 30s, interesting discussion to be had whether there was a large sectarian element to how those elections went, or if we were all just more right wing back then...

[wookie70]

SNP 1 and Greens 2 for me at very busy and well organised Newtongrange Polling Place.They even had colour coded pencil boxes. Green for use and red to clean

[Stairway 2 7]

Just back from voting queue was huge outside. Weather terrible hope it doesn't put of any voters

[Moulin Yarns]

Strictly speaking it was the Scottish Unionist Party that won up here, they only merged with the UK Conservatives in the 1960s. They were also the biggest party in the 20s and 30s, interesting discussion to be had whether there was a large sectarian element to how those elections went, or if we were all just more right wing back then...

The merger of the Scottish Unionist party with the UK Conservative and Unionist party proves that Dross is branch manager 😉

[Since90+2]

1. SNP 2. Green for myself.

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210506/5cd51b3fc30ae2f6972c67d700387ce3.jpg


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[Ozyhibby]

1. SNP 2. Green for myself.

I think it’s 50/50 whether the SNP get to 65 but I think the Greens are in for a very good day on Saturday.


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[Moulin Yarns]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayda_Fransen

Saw a confrontation between that woman and nicola sturgeon outside a polling station.

Wow!!!


“You’re a fascist, you’re a racist, and the Southside of Glasgow will reject you.”

Well said. Migrants should always be welcome in Scotland. The sickening agendas of fascists, however, should not. https://t.co/FOmjimL98n

[Lendo]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayda_Fransen

Saw a confrontation between that woman and nicola sturgeon outside a polling station.

Wow!!!


“You’re a fascist, you’re a racist, and the Southside of Glasgow will reject you.”

Well said. Migrants should always be welcome in Scotland. The sickening agendas of fascists, however, should not. https://t.co/FOmjimL98n

That is ****ing unbelievably. Mind that time an EDL member confronted a sitting MP down south....... where is the First Ministers security?

[Stairway 2 7]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayda_Fransen

Saw a confrontation between that woman and nicola sturgeon outside a polling station.

Wow!!!


“You’re a fascist, you’re a racist, and the Southside of Glasgow will reject you.”

Well said. Migrants should always be welcome in Scotland. The sickening agendas of fascists, however, should not. https://t.co/FOmjimL98n

"Your the fascist, because your trying to turn Scotland into an a socialist country"

Thought that was a strange one 😆

[Callum_62]

Snp 1 and Abolish the Scottish Parliament 2 for me

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[Lendo]

"Your the fascist, because your trying to turn Scotland into an a socialist country"

Thought that was a strange one 😆

They are so utterly clueless. It’s embarrassing just how thick the English far-right is.

[Chorley Hibee]

"Your the fascist, because your trying to turn Scotland into an a socialist country"

Thought that was a strange one 😆

Indeed, the perfect example of the brain dead **** they are.

[Pretty Boy]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayda_Fransen

Saw a confrontation between that woman and nicola sturgeon outside a polling station.

Wow!!!


“You’re a fascist, you’re a racist, and the Southside of Glasgow will reject you.”

Well said. Migrants should always be welcome in Scotland. The sickening agendas of fascists, however, should not. https://t.co/FOmjimL98n

The worst part of that are some of the comments below that version of the video and others doing the rounds.

The vilest excesses of both sides there for all to see. Tragic.

[Lendo]

Indeed, the perfect example of the brain dead **** they are.

Their new stuff is good but we all want to hear the classics.

https://youtu.be/AIPD8qHhtVU

[lord bunberry]

Snp 1 and Abolish the Scottish Parliament 2 for me

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[Green Man]

Pretty busy at the polling place here in Kirkliston. SNP 1, Green 2 for me. I’m optimistic about the Green performance.

[cabbageandribs1875]

busy in my local station every time i passed, my first ever vote for the Greens, SNP 1 Greens 2, hope i've done the right thing :cb

[SaulGoodman]

Snp 1 and Abolish the Scottish Parliament 2 for me

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What’s the opposite of tactical voting?

[Hibrandenburg]

"Your the fascist, because your trying to turn Scotland into an a socialist country"

Thought that was a strange one 😆

I s******ed at that too. It would be funny if it wasn't exactly that kind of warped logic that has seen the rise of the likes of Johnson and Farage.

[Kato]

It would be funny if it wasn't exactly that kind of warped logic that has seen the rise of the likes of Johnson and Farage.

There's no doubt it is. The term "National Socialism" includes the word "socialism": ergo socialism = fascism, is the logic there. Forgetting that fascists will wear any name or costume to gain power. The manifestos or "aims" of fascists are worthless, it's all about power and gangsters.

[CloudSquall]

Does Jayden Fransen actually have any connection to Scotland or is this a poundland version of Jacob Rees Mogg running in Central Fife?

[Kato]

I went 1 SNP, 2 Greens. First time I've voted SNP. Now that Salmond has lured a good chunk of the weirdos away it seems quite fresh.

[matty_f]

I really, really, really hope that there’s an overwhelming shout for independence after this election. It needs to happen, imho.

[Sir David Gray]

Not long back, polling station fairly quiet I only had to wait outside for no more than around 2 minutes. Probably a fairly pointless exercise for me in my constituency but I would never fail to vote.

If it helps to lower the SNP's majority then it's job done, even if it is only by a single vote.

[makaveli1875]

Had to wait 40 minutes in a queue in the pissing rain but me and Mrs mak cast our votes . Conservative and unionist 1 and Alba 2 for the bantz

[McSwanky]

Is there any sort of exit poll being done tonight?

[makaveli1875]

Is there any sort of exit poll being done tonight?

Apparently not

[Since90+2]

Scotland's First Minister, especially around election time, should have more of a security detail than that. With the amount of nutters in the far right she's a sitting duck in situations like that.

[JeMeSouviens]

Not long back, polling station fairly quiet I only had to wait outside for no more than around 2 minutes. Probably a fairly pointless exercise for me in my constituency but I would never fail to vote.

If it helps to lower the SNP's majority then it's job done, even if it is only by a single vote.

After all those 12.15s you spent together? Nicola will be devastated!

[weecounty hibby]

Surely the electoral commission will look at that and question whether that person is fit to stand for public office. I know which one is the fascist and it sure ain't Nicola Sturgeon. I'd like to think thatbthe vast majority of us in Scotland will be disgusted by that behaviour in an election.

[ACLeith]

Hermitage Park in Leith. Queue out the door, round the playground and along the street. OK, partly due to the system that they have to have but never seen queues like it. Great for democracy

[Future17]

Surely the electoral commission will look at that and question whether that person is fit to stand for public office. I know which one is the fascist and it sure ain't Nicola Sturgeon. I'd like to think thatbthe vast majority of us in Scotland will be disgusted by that behaviour in an election.

That's not part of the EC's role. There's not even a "fit for public office" test...except, well, the election. :greengrin

[Sir David Gray]

After all those 12.15s you spent together? Nicola will be devastated!

I'm sure she'll cope. :wink:

[Just_Jimmy]

Scotland's First Minister, especially around election time, should have more of a security detail than that. With the amount of nutters in the far right she's a sitting duck in situations like that.agree. whoever they are for whichever party.

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[Hibby Bairn]

Don't have the same political persuasions as most of you bams on here but there is something about everyone heading to a polling station to vote that I love being part of. No matter the outcome we all have a say and we respect the will of the people. Collectively.

[hibsbollah]

I’m a Labour Party member who voted SNP 1 Greens 2.
It is what it is.

Any predictions for all it’s going to play out?
I’m going for

SNP 65 +2 and an overall majority which won’t be announced till Monday because of one or more ‘too close to call’ shenanigans.
CON 24 -7
LAB 24 unchanged
GRE12 +6
LD 4 -1

Arithmetic will probably have let me down there.

[blaikie]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayda_Fransen

Saw a confrontation between that woman and nicola sturgeon outside a polling station.

Wow!!!


“You’re a fascist, you’re a racist, and the Southside of Glasgow will reject you.”

Well said. Migrants should always be welcome in Scotland. The sickening agendas of fascists, however, should not. https://t.co/FOmjimL98n

I know that area well unfortunately, looks like the Britian First mob were sitting in the Orange Hall which sits the other side of the playground of the school where the Polling Station was held. Says it all really ....

The lack of security, especially when we remember how Jo Cox who was gunned down by a Britian First fanatic.

[JimBHibees]

Scotland's First Minister, especially around election time, should have more of a security detail than that. With the amount of nutters in the far right she's a sitting duck in situations like that.

Absolutely agree incredible there wasn't one or two police there.

[JimBHibees]

After all those 12.15s you spent together? Nicola will be devastated!

:greengrin

[wookie70]

They are so utterly clueless. It’s embarrassing just how thick the English far-right is. To be fair that was a cross border collaborative clueless by the sound of it. I agree with others, the various NF type parties these types inhabit have usually very violent tendencies and the FM should have some security. I have images of the boy taking the video with a The Rangers top on spending 6 days a week moaning about foreigners and 1 day a week singing party songs towards his foreign heroes.

[Skol]

Regardless of the outcome I love an election and although its correct, the lack of a through the night count is all part of the process and I love staying up late and getting up early. I wont lie, in 2014 I was knackered at work on the Friday.

I expect to be disappointed this time, but thats democracy

[wookie70]

I’m a Labour Party member who voted SNP 1 Greens 2.
It is what it is.

Any predictions for all it’s going to play out?
I’m going for

SNP 65 +2 and an overall majority which won’t be announced till Monday because of one or more ‘too close to call’ shenanigans.
CON 24 -7
LAB 24 unchanged
GRE12 +6
LD 4 -1

Arithmetic will probably have let me down there.

I know quite a few who are doing the same. I'm going for a SNP majority of 1 and a very good result for the Greens with maybe 13 MSPs. MRoss to call it a great night for his party gaining second

[Kato]

Absolutely agree incredible there wasn't one or two police there.

Probably "called away to Ibrox to prepare for the celebrations".

[Green Man]

Regardless of the outcome I love an election and although its correct, the lack of a through the night count is all part of the process and I love staying up late and getting up early. I wont lie, in 2014 I was knackered at work on the Friday.

I expect to be disappointed this time, but thats democracy

Same here, I’ll miss staying up waiting for results, catching little bits of sleep in the quieter periods then dissecting the results in a sleep deprived haze on Friday morning.

[18Craig75]

I’m a Labour Party member who voted SNP 1 Greens 2.
It is what it is.

Any predictions for all it’s going to play out?
I’m going for

SNP 65 +2 and an overall majority which won’t be announced till Monday because of one or more ‘too close to call’ shenanigans.
CON 24 -7
LAB 24 unchanged
GRE12 +6
LD 4 -1

Arithmetic will probably have let me down there.

I fancy (and hope for) a slim SNP majority, if Labour overtake The Conservatives I reckon Ross will resign and slink off back to WM.

[degenerated]

Pretty busy at the polling place here in Kirkliston. SNP 1, Green 2 for me. I’m optimistic about the Green performance.Was pretty busy when I was there about 7pm I had to wait for ages.

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[Alex Trager]

Snp 1 and Abolish the Scottish Parliament 2 for me

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[Alex Trager]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayda_Fransen

Saw a confrontation between that woman and nicola sturgeon outside a polling station.

Wow!!!


“You’re a fascist, you’re a racist, and the Southside of Glasgow will reject you.”

Well said. Migrants should always be welcome in Scotland. The sickening agendas of fascists, however, should not. https://t.co/FOmjimL98n

Who are these clowns?

Not sure the guy knows what fascism or racism is mind you

[weecounty hibby]

Who are these clowns?

Not sure the guy knows what fascism or racism is mind you

Oh, he absolutely understands racism and fascism. He is both. Total **** and sad that folk like that walk amongst us

[Alex Trager]

So there is no overnight count today?

And no exit poll?

Is this because of covid?

[Future17]

Snp 1 and Abolish the Scottish Parliament 2 for me

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What are you going to spend your £100,000,000 on?

[CloudSquall]

I'm placing my bet on the below headline if the SNP fall short of a majority...


"BLOW to Sturgeon as SNP list vote collapses and separation left in tatters as SNP fall short of majority "



If I can be greedy I hope for an SNP majority plus big boost to Green numbers to avoid any "well the SNP didn't get X, Y or Z so there is no appetite for indyref2" nonsense

[Glory Lurker]

I really wish the count was tonight, get to the outcome whatever it is quickly. Instead we get a teaser, a big one fair enough, tomorrow which will have me either worrying that things could flip the other way on Saturday (if it's going well) or that Saturday won't improve things (if it's not going as I'd hope).

I expect this will be the same for a lot of us, regardless of how we've voted.

Add in some football match in Glasgow on Saturday and the next 48 hours will be torture!

[Callum_62]

What are you going to spend your £100,000,000 on?Let's stop spending £100,000,000 on the Scottish Parliament and fund our NHS instead


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[CloudSquall]

Already looking forward to the "STOP THE COUNT" banter tomorrow.

[lapsedhibee]

I'm placing my bet on the below headline if the SNP fall short of a majority...


"BLOW to Sturgeon as SNP list vote colapses and separation left in tatters as SNP fall short of majority "



If I can be greedy I hope for an SNP majority plus big boost to Green numbers to avoid any "well the SNP didn't get X, Y or Z so there is no appetite for indyref2" nonsense

Murray Ross will be interpreting any result other than 129 seats for SNP as evidence that another referendum will be - wait for it - "divisive". Smith and Kuenssberg will back this view to the hilt.

[Glory Lurker]

That's that, then. Pity STV isn't used for this election or we could say the transfer window has been slammed shut.

[Moulin Yarns]

Do folk realise that the final result will be around 4:30 on Saturday afternoon. 😁

[Green Man]

Was pretty busy when I was there about 7pm I had to wait for ages.

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I must have been there just before you. I had a bit of a wait as well, there was a steady stream of folk. The section for streets towards the end of the alphabet was much busier.

[Glory Lurker]

Do folk realise that the final result will be around 4:30 on Saturday afternoon. 😁

Very much aware of this! Does it make me a bad person that I'm planning to have both the results and the game on at the same time?

[CloudSquall]

Very much aware of this! Does it make me a bad person that I'm planning to have both the results and the game on at the same time?

At least we'll be able to combine the "Ross Out" threads :greengrin

[JeMeSouviens]

I'm placing my bet on the below headline if the SNP fall short of a majority...


"BLOW to Sturgeon as SNP list vote collapses and separation left in tatters as SNP fall short of majority "



If I can be greedy I hope for an SNP majority plus big boost to Green numbers to avoid any "well the SNP didn't get X, Y or Z so there is no appetite for indyref2" nonsense

Sounds good to me. Add in 50%+ combined SNP+Green vote share and no Alba seats and it would be perfect.

[Frazerbob]

Absolutely agree incredible there wasn't one or two police there.

Her security detail was there.

[degenerated]

I must have been there just before you. I had a bit of a wait as well, there was a steady stream of folk. The section for streets towards the end of the alphabet was much busier.Aye, being towards the later part of the alphabet i had a fair wait.

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[Glory Lurker]

At least we'll be able to combine the "Ross Out" threads :greengrin

:-)

[cabbageandribs1875]

welcome to the side of Good...

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some just get it, unfortunately some in this country still vote for the nasty party :agree:i feel for them

[cabbageandribs1875]

With the Scottish Election this Thursday May 6, do you think if there is a Yes majority there should there be another independence referendum?
Vote in our poll below:


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[JeMeSouviens]

I went 1 SNP, 2 Greens. First time I've voted SNP. Now that Salmond has lured a good chunk of the weirdos away it seems quite fresh.

I see the zoomer wing(s) have been advocating voting for Unionists in the constituency today. So, it was all about the #supermajority aye?

[JeMeSouviens]

Allan Little on the BBC saying SNP sources are "very confident" they've got their vote out.

[Ozyhibby]

Allan Little on the BBC saying SNP sources are "very confident" they've got their vote out.

I’ve seen a few journalists saying that turnout has been very high and that is usually good for the SNP.


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[lord bunberry]

Jaimie Greene just said that the SNP only want to talk about independence. Has he been living under a rock for the last 3 months, Dross has talked about nothing else.

[Future17]

Allan Little on the BBC saying SNP sources are "very confident" they've got their vote out.

Anecdotally, I'm hearing turnout around 60% in Edinburgh. Small sample though.

[cabbageandribs1875]

In the Scottish Parliament election there are 73 first-past-the-post constituencies (FPTP). A total of 46 FPTP seats are expected to count during the day on Friday (today) with some results due at lunchtime and others peaking in the evening. Roughly these seats are expected to be declared on Friday:


12pm - Airdrie and Shotts, Coatbridge & Chryston, Clydebank & Milngavie
1pm - Aberdeen Donside, Banffshire and Buchan Coast, Cowdenbeath, Kirkcaldy.
3.30pm - Angus North and Mearns
4pm - Cunninghame North, Cunninghame South, Dumbarton, Dundee City West, East Lothian, Eastwood, North East Fife, Ayr.
5pm - Kilmarnock & Irvine Valley, Argyll and Bute
5.30pm - Linlithgow, Midlothian North & Musselburgh
6pm - Motherwell & Wishaw, Na h-Eileanan an Iar, Orkney Islands, Paisley, Clackmannanshire & Dunblane, Aberdeen Central and Aberdeenshire East.
6.30pm - Edinburgh Central, Edinburgh Southern, Edinburgh Western, Ettrick, Roxburgh & Berwickshire
7pm - Glasgow Anniesland, Glasgow Maryhill & Springburn, Glasgow Pollock, Glasgow Southside, Greenock & Inverclyde, Hamilton, Larkhall & Stonehouse, Inverness and Nairn.


Expected to declare evening Friday but time unknown:
Falkirk East, Moray, Perthshire North, Renfrewshire North & West, Rutherglen, Shetland Islands, Stirling, and Strathkelvin & Bearsden.

And on Saturday, the final 27 FPTP constituency seats will be declared throughout the day:
1pm - Clydesdale, Cumbernauld & Kilsyth, Dumfriesshire, Dundee City East, Dunfermline, East Kilbride, Edinburgh Eastern, Edinburgh Northern & Leith, Edinburgh Pentlands, Falkirk West, and Mid Fife & Glenrothes
3pm - Perthshire South & Kinross-shire, and Renfrewshire South
5pm - Aberdeen South & North Kincardine, Aberdeenshire West, Almond Valley, Angus South, Caithness, Sutherland & Ross, and Carrick, Cumnock & Doon Valley
6.30pm - Glasgow Cathcart, Glasgow Kelvin, Glasgow Provan, Glasgow Shettleston, Midlothian South, and Tweeddale & Lauderdale
Expected to declare Saturday but time unknown: Galloway & West Dumfries, Skye, Lochaber & Badenoch, and Uddingston & Bellshill


When will the regional list be declared?The regional list elects 56 proportional representation seats chosen from eight regional lists; Central Scotland, Glasgow, Highlands and Islands, Lothian, Mid Scotland and Fife, North East Scotland, South Scotland and West Scotland. However, as regional list MSPs can only be elected once the constituency seats have been officially decided and declared, we will have to wait until Saturday evening to find out the full results. This will be around 6pm or 7pm depending on the region.


What are the seats to watch?Firstly, all eyes will be on how many constituency seats the SNP (https://www.thenational.scot/politics/snp/) take as they need 65 seats combined from the constituency and list to form a majority government. In the last election in 2016 they won 59 constituency seats and 4 regional seats, giving them a total of 63, down from 69 seats (53 constituency, 16 list) in the 2011 election.
The National previously picked out 10 key battlegrounds that could be key to the SNP getting a vital majority, these include Dumbarton where Toni Giugliano (http://www.thenational.scot/news/19278981.snp-face-tactical-voting-battle-win-labour-seat/) is up against incumbent Jackie Baillie only won by 109 votes in 2016, Ayr where the SNP’s Siobhan Brown (https://www.thenational.scot/news/19274825.holyrood-election-snp-going-ayr-finally-topple-tory/) is taking on the longest-serving Tory MSP John Scott, Eastwood where Colm Merrick (https://www.thenational.scot/news/19260658.eastwood-residents-feel-let-jackson-carlaw/) is taking on former Tory leader Jackson Carlaw and Edinburgh Central, where Angus Robertson (https://www.thenational.scot/news/19276389.davidsons-former-seat-within-robertsons-grasp/) is bidding to take Ruth Davidson (https://www.thenational.scot/politics/ruth-davidson/)’s former seat as she heads off to the House of Lords.


In Glasgow, First Minister Nicola Sturgeon (https://www.thenational.scot/politics/nicola-sturgeon/) is up against Labour (https://www.thenational.scot/politics/labour/) leader Anas Sarwar in Southside, where she won comfortably with a majority of over 9500. It is the first time two major party leaders have stood in the same seat in British political history, and is an area with a large number of ethnic minority voters and Sarwar is the first Muslim leader of a major UK party.


On the regional list, it will be interesting to see if Roza Salih, who tops the Glasgow list for the SNP, will become the first former refugee to be a parliamentarian in the whole of the UK.


For the Greens (https://www.thenational.scot/politics/scottish-greens/), Glasgow Kelvin will be the one to watch with Patrick Harvie (https://www.thenational.scot/politics/patrick-harvie) gunning for the party’s first constituency seat, and recent polls have said the party are expected to increase their number of regional seats to nine or ten.
And of course, on the North East regional list we’ll find out on Saturday if Alex Salmond (https://www.thenational.scot/politics/alex-salmond/) will be making a return to the Scottish parliament or not with the Alba Party. As they have four candidates standing in each list, it will also be interesting to see how many seats the party gets in total, and if the SNP and Greens also gain more seats will we have that crucial supermajority for independence and an unshakeable mandate to hold a second referendum?


What happens next?Once all of the constituency and list MSPs have been confirmed, Parliament will reconvene on Monday, May 10 and the new parliamentarians will be registered. Wednesday, May 13 will be the first sitting day of the parliament, with MSPs taking their oaths and affirmations, before the chamber will nominate and vote on the presiding officer who will serve for the five-year parliamentary term.

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[Mon Dieu4]

BBC One Scotland, there has just been an election that could decide if we are getting another independence referendum or not, will we put on some kind of politics show or the news for some commentary?, Nah let's put on Wills and Kate's wedding :faf::faf::faf:

[Smartie]

SNP 1 Green 2 for me today.

43 years old and the first time I've ever given my vote to anyone other than the SNP.

[weecounty hibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210506/93b81ee79c6789abc185133f92b1d718.jpg


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Yes please!!

[StevieC]

I’ve seen a few journalists saying that turnout has been very high and that is usually good for the SNP.

I’ve seen the turnout figures for all the ballot boxes in Perth. The average turnout for the city was 51.6% .. but bear in mind that this will exclude postal votes, which will be a lot higher than previous years.

[Chorley Hibee]

BBC One Scotland, there has just been an election that could decide if we are getting another independence referendum or not, will we put on some kind of politics show or the news for some commentary?, Nah let's put on Wills and Kate's wedding :faf::faf::faf:

Another vomit inducing exercise in forelock tugging.

[wookie70]

Here is a bizarre question. What colour were the ballot papers. In my house we all agreed that the list vote was a peach colour. My wife and son swear blind that the constituency vote was white and I say it was purple. My son says the teller described the paper as white and my wife says they described it as purple which she found odd as she saw it as white. Looking online they look purple and peach to all off us but my question is - Does anyone else live with a house full of nutters?

[Mon Dieu4]

Here is a bizarre question. What colour were the ballot papers. In my house we all agreed that the list vote was a peach colour. My wife and son swear blind that the constituency vote was white and I say it was purple. My son says the teller described the paper as white and my wife says they described it as purple which she found odd as she saw it as white. Looking online they look purple and peach to all off us but my question is - Does anyone else live with a house full of nutters?

Mine were Peach and purplish

[wookie70]

Mine were Peach and purplish Thanks - Purple was a generic term if I was designing paint or clothing I would probably said deep lilac or similar
I wonder if it is like one of those Facebook things where people see colours differently. That or my kith and kin are just dafties.

[Ozyhibby]

Purple and peach.


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[wookie70]

Purple and peach.


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[cabbageandribs1875]

down south, very early doors but the scores on the doors are.....

https://i.ibb.co/VDXGsXf/scoresonthedoors.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

[JimBHibees]

Her security detail was there.

Ok cheers

[Sylar]

down south, very early doors but the scores on the doors are.....

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Been a total hammering for Labour once again, including losing Hartlepool's by-election to Conservatives.

[hibsbollah]

Dumbarton this afternoon and Edinburgh South and Central this evening will tell us a lot about how it’s gone nationally.

[Since90+2]

I can see the Westminster narrative being if the SNP fail to get a majority that there is no consensus for a referendum, completely ignoring the fact the Greens are also pro independence.

It would be a load of ***** obviously but it's exactly what they'll do.

[The Harp Awakes]

SNP 1 Green 2 for me today.

43 years old and the first time I've ever given my vote to anyone other than the SNP.

SNP 1 Green 2 for me too. Used to be staunch Labour but have voted SNP every time since we got the parliament in 1997. I've also been an SNP member since then but happy to vote Green for the 1st time. They have very good leaders in Harvie and Slater and their support for NS over the Salmond inquiry was admirable.

[overdrive]

Voted Labour in both votes. Will be a waste of time, mind you.

[Moulin Yarns]

Voted Labour in both votes. Will be a waste of time, mind you.

That's what is known as a protest vote 😉

[Hibby Bairn]

Thanks - Purple was a generic term if I was designing paint or clothing I would probably said deep lilac or similar
I wonder if it is like one of those Facebook things where people see colours differently. That or my kith and kin are just dafties.


Parma Violet.

[Pagan Hibernia]

Been a total hammering for Labour once again, including losing Hartlepool's by-election to Conservatives.

yep. As far as brexiteers and middle England is concerned, Boris has done a fantastic job. Labour totally screwed down there.

scottish labour would probably be more relevant in an independent Scotland.

[lapsedhibee]

I can see the Westminster narrative being if the SNP fail to get a majority that there is no consensus for a referendum, completely ignoring the fact the Greens are also pro independence.

It would be a load of ***** obviously but it's exactly what they'll do.

They'll say there's no consensus even if SNP get a majority, and start shouting about how divisive a 50-odds for v. 40-odds against situation would be. No, it would require at least 75% of seats and votes to be pro-indy for there to be any sort of 'consensus'. Sure Smith will have a couple of reports written already, both saying much the same thing.

[Stairway 2 7]

Wish there was a credible and out and out pro independence party going for 2nd votes. Alba was ridiculous just after court case . I think papers down south particularly won't add green as independence centred.

[Ozyhibby]

Wish there was a credible and out and out pro independence party going for 2nd votes. Alba was ridiculous just after court case . I think papers down south particularly won't add green as independence centred.

Why not? Greens are solidly pro Indy and their votes count as much as anyone else’s.


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[Since90+2]

BBC reporting that turnout across Scotland is thought to have been very high.

Almost 90% of postal votes that were sent out were returned. Given that these are thought to be predominantly older voters that might not be good for Independence supporting parties.

[Hibrandenburg]

BBC reporting that turnout across Scotland is thought to have been very high.

Almost 90% of postal votes that were sent out were returned. Given that these are thought to be predominantly older voters that might not be good for Independence supporting parties.

I'm very wary about getting my hopes up for a clear pro independence vote, 2014 and 16 have proven you can't take anything for granted.

[McSwanky]

BBC reporting that turnout across Scotland is thought to have been very high.

Almost 90% of postal votes that were sent out were returned. Given that these are thought to be predominantly older voters that might not be good for Independence supporting parties.

Historically the postal votes may have been older voters, I'm not so sure that will be the case this year.

[Sir David Gray]

Voted Labour in both votes. Will be a waste of time, mind you.

I did the same, the SNP candidate in my constituency won over 50% of the vote in 2016 so I fully accept there's no chance of anything other than an SNP win again this time round, if anything it might even go up.

For me it's all about trying to stop a majority, if not in the number of seats that they win then at least in the number of votes that are counted. If that happens then I'll consider it as a small victory.

I'm not confident but never mind.

[Since90+2]

Postal votes in Scotland their highest ever and thought to be around 25% of the electorate.

BBC saying Unionist parties are quietly confident they have managed to get the tactical vote out sufficiently in Dumbarton to make it a Labour hold. It's the most tightly contested seat in Scotland.

[JimBHibees]

Postal votes in Scotland their highest ever and thought to be around 25% of the electorate.

BBC saying Unionist parties are quietly confident they have managed to get the tactical vote out sufficiently in Dumbarton to make it a Labour hold. It's the most tightly contested seat in Scotland.

Just about sums it up the unionist vote. Shameless. Who did you vote for? Well you know I have always been a Tory but voted labour to keep out nationalists :rolleyes:

[JimBHibees]

Historically the postal votes may have been older voters, I'm not so sure that will be the case this year.

Wonder if Ruth will be able to check them out this time also :greengrin

[Since90+2]

Just about sums it up the unionist vote. Shameless. Who did you vote for? Well you know I have always been a Tory but voted labour to keep out nationalists :rolleyes:

Agreed. It's been turned into a defacto referendum by Douglas Ross as he literally has zero other policies.

Let's hope the BBC are wrong but even if Labour do hold its not the end of the world. Edinburgh Central is looking fairly certain to be a SNP gain.

[Ozyhibby]

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[overdrive]

Just about sums it up the unionist vote. Shameless. Who did you vote for? Well you know I have always been a Tory but voted labour to keep out nationalists :rolleyes:

Q: Who did you vote for?

A: Well, you know I have always been a SNP voter but voted Green/Alba to get an Indy super majority

This thread is full of folk on the Indy side trying to work out tactical voting. Shameless :wink:

[Eaststand]

SNP 1 Green 2 for me too. Used to be staunch Labour but have voted SNP every time since we got the parliament in 1997. I've also been an SNP member since then but happy to vote Green for the 1st time. They have very good leaders in Harvie and Slater and their support for NS over the Salmond inquiry was admirable.

I've followed exactly the same route politically, and voted as you did in this election 👍

GGTTH

[Since90+2]

Q: Who did you vote for?

A: Well, you know I have always been a SNP voter but voted Green/Alba to get an Indy super majority

This thread is full of folk on the Indy side trying to work out tactical voting. Shameless :wink:

People are voting Green on the list vote, exactly what the system was designed for to get a broader representation in Holyrood, Dumbarton Tories are jumping ship to Labour on the constituency vote.

There's a clear distinction between the two.

[Hiber-nation]

BBC Scotland coverage has begun and I'm missing Brian Taylor already.

[SHODAN]

Might just be hyper-aware for BBC bias, but is it me or are the presenters coming across as overly condescending and patronising on the BBC1 election coverage? The guy explaining the D'Hondt system speaks like he's addressing a class of primary school children.

[danhibees1875]

People are voting Green on the list vote, exactly what the system was designed for to get a broader representation in Holyrood, Dumbarton Tories are jumping ship to Labour on the constituency vote.

There's a clear distinction between the two.

Slightly, but I agree with overdrive. You either voted for who you wanted, or you voted tactically.

This thread spent weeks rehashing the same stuff as people constantly wanted to know who to vote for tactically - it's not substantially different to tactical voting from the other side IMO.

[Green Man]

Early indications are that Alba Party haven’t done well.

[Since90+2]

Slightly, but I agree with overdrive. You either voted for who you wanted, or you voted tactically.

This thread spent weeks rehashing the same stuff as people constantly wanted to know who to vote for tactically - it's not substantially different to tactical voting from the other side IMO.

The Greens and SNP have worked together for years at Holyrood and I would imagine there is a broad crossover of voters who genuinely like both parties, their leaders and campaigns to varying degrees.

Voting 1. Labour 2. Conservative is completely different.

It's obviously within the rules but again comes back to the point the Conservatives have no actual policies rather than talking about independence.

[weecounty hibby]

So vote for Tories to keep us in the union to be governed by Tories for decades to come? Even though Labour through and through vote for Tories to keep a UK Tory government in charge. That's what has happened. Because regardless of how many folk in Scotland vote Labour at the next GE the ****ing Tories will be governing us. That's what you voted for if you voted Tory. No solution to being governed by them. Union before all else.

[MartinfaePorty]

Mate a Tory voter all his life voted 1. Labour 2. Tory, as there was no danger the Tories are getting in where he lives (Edinburgh Eastern).

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[weecounty hibby]

Early indications are that Alba Party haven’t done well.

Possibly well enough to stop a SNP or Green seat though. Fuds if the highest order, I just cannot fathom anyone voting for them. A vanity project supported by nutcases. The same as Galloway and his alliance of fascists.

[SHODAN]

So vote for Tories to keep us in the union to be governed by Tories for decades to come? Even though Labour through and through vote for Tories to keep a UK Tory government in charge. That's what has happened. Because regardless of how many folk in Scotland vote Labour at the next GE the ****ing Tories will be governing us. That's what you voted for if you voted Tory. No solution to being governed by them. Union before all else.

:agree:

For all the unionists' apocalyptic statements about a one-party-state, that's exactly where England is going and now the EU is out of the way the next step will be centralising power towards London and the South/East and sterilising the devolved parliaments. I dunno. Maybe that's what people up here want. :dunno:

[Moulin Yarns]

Early indications are that Alba Party haven’t done well.

Here's hoping the late indication is the same 😉

Woman on the BBC saying that the Alba message has got through, and 2nd vote is going to scottish greens 👍

[SHODAN]

Here's hoping the late indication is the same ��

Woman on the BBC saying that the Alba message has got through, and 2nd vote is going to scottish greens ��

Ah, Salmond will be happy he's helped independence along at the expense of his own success. A noble sacrifice etc.

Right?

[Moulin Yarns]

Orkney result is in.

Lib dems 7238

Tories 699

Labour 290

Snp 3369

65% turnout

4.8% swing from libdem to snp

[Ozyhibby]

Orkney result is in.

Lib dems 7238

Tories 699

Labour 290

Snp 3369

65% turnout

4.8% swing from libdem to snp

Good start.[emoji106]


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[Moulin Yarns]

Aberdeen donside

Snp 18514

Tories 9488
Lab 5505

Lib dems 2162

TUSC. 240

6.2% Swing snp to tories

Turnout. 58%

[SHODAN]

Aberdeen donside

Snp 18514

Tories 9488
Lab 5505

Lib dems 2162

TUSC.

6.2% Swing snp to tories

Turnout

That's not great.

[BroxburnHibee]

I honestly will never understand given what we're seeing down south why anyone can vote Tory. I'm guessing its purely Unionism that drives it. They don't have any other policies do they? :greengrin

[SHODAN]

I honestly will never understand given what we're seeing down south why anyone can vote Tory. I'm guessing its purely Unionism that drives it. They don't have any other policies do they? :greengrin

Preserving the system that either works for them, or keeps them in their comfort zone. I can see the appeal.

[oneone73]

That's not great.

Understandable perhaps given the SNP MSP had to resign over his attitude to women. Mark McDonald.

[Bostonhibby]

I honestly will never understand given what we're seeing down south why anyone can vote Tory. I'm guessing its purely Unionism that drives it. They don't have any other policies do they? :greengrinTheres a few down here that I know who are effectively "doubling down" on their vote for Brexit, they are not enamoured with the way it's gone so far but won't acknowledge that it might not have been the best thing to do.

One guy I know is "sticking with Boris" meantime. He's been a labour voter before but Brexit floated his boat at the time.

There's a lot of folk who never discussed politics much before who jumped on the Brexit bandwagon sadly because they anticipated all the extra wealth it promised to generate and all the foreigners they'd be "sending back". A lot more vocal as well, not much substance.

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[Since90+2]

The panelist on BBC saying it will be interesting to see how those who voted No in 2014 but remain in 2016 will vote this time.

That wasn't a dynamic I had thought of previously.

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My hunch tells me that's bad for the SNP. Tactical voting to keep the Unionist candidate in place.

[Moulin Yarns]

My hunch tells me that's bad for the SNP. Tactical voting to keep the Unionist candidate in place.

Almost certain AC-H will get the constituency.

[Moulin Yarns]

Humza Yousaf confronted by 2 members of a smaller party (Liberal Party) at the count. Ugly scenes with nazi salutes

[Ozyhibby]

My hunch tells me that's bad for the SNP. Tactical voting to keep the Unionist candidate in place.


Almost certain AC-H will get the constituency.

Agree. I live there and I’m sure there is enough tactical voting to keep the liberal in place.


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[Green Man]

Almost certain AC-H will get the constituency.

I’d be shocked if he lost his seat. He seems popular round here, he’s helped by the local Lib Dem councillors and together they are very visible on social media.

[Skol]

Just about sums it up the unionist vote. Shameless. Who did you vote for? Well you know I have always been a Tory but voted labour to keep out nationalists :rolleyes:

Sorry, but how does that square with SNP 1 Greens 2 ?

[Callum_62]

Sorry, but how does that square with SNP 1 Greens 2 ?Surely the SNP and Greens are atleast on the same political tact?

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[Moulin Yarns]

Western Isles

SNP 7454

Labour 4013

Tory 2116

IND 571

Libdem 353


66% turnout

Swing 1.4% to labour

[Ozyhibby]

Western Isles

SNP 7454

Labour 4013

Tory 2116

IND 571

Libdem 353


66% turnout

Swing 1.4% to labour

Bit worrying.[emoji51]


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[Skol]

Surely the SNP and Greens are atleast on the same political tact?

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In that they support Independence while the others dont. Its really just a cheap shot and as things stand tactical voting is allowed and so we need to just accept that. Nothing wrong in it.

[Moulin Yarns]

Bit worrying.[emoji51]


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I know it's early but so far the Unionist tactical voting is getting a rise of 5.8% to tories

[Callum_62]

In that they support Independence while the others dont. Its really just a cheap shot and as things stand tactical voting is allowed and so we need to just accept that. Nothing wrong in it.I've nothing against it

But I can see why some people can't understand why you can vote a right of centre party and a left of centre party in the same vote

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[Moulin Yarns]

Clydebank


SNP 17787

Labour 12513

Tory 4153

IND 220

Libdem 2987


68% turnout

Swing 5.8% to labour

[cabbageandribs1875]

Clydebank

SNP Hold

the returning officer was absolutely all over the place

[Since90+2]

In that they support Independence while the others dont. Its really just a cheap shot and as things stand tactical voting is allowed and so we need to just accept that. Nothing wrong in it.

They both support Scottish independence.
They both support Scottish membership of the EU.
They both support the removal of trident.
They both support the introduction of UBI.
They both support the decriminalisation of certain drugs.
They both support additional rights for trans people.

That's off the top of my head. There will be lots more.

[Moulin Yarns]

I know it's early but so far the Unionist tactical voting is getting a rise of 5.8% to tories

4 results, 3 combined unionist parties increase currently 2.2%

[Callum_62]

4 results, 3 combined unionist parties increase currently 2.2%Murray Ross currently tweeting that there's obvisouly no appetite for independance

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[Moulin Yarns]

They both support Scottish independence.
They both support Scottish membership of the EU.
They both support the removal of trident.
They both support the introduction of UBI.
They both support the decriminalisation of certain drugs.

That's off the top of my head. There will be lots more.

Conversely the Tories, Labour and Libdems all support Brexit, an isolated UK, No return to the EU, and I'm sure there will be other similarities :wink:

[Peevemor]

How much of the wee swing to the unionist parties is down to all the Salmond guff?

[Since90+2]

Conversely the Tories, Labour and Libdems all support Brexit, an isolated UK, No return to the EU, and I'm sure there will be other similarities :wink:

Labour and Lib Dems did not support Brexit. They accept the result, that's an important distinction.

[Peevemor]

Murray Ross currently tweeting that there's obvisouly no appetite for independance

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As shown by the large SNP majorities, despite the swings.

[wookie70]

Tactical voting looking like it is working for Unionists so far. Won't make a difference where SNP are well on top but could in the closer seats.

[SHODAN]

Majority is gone. Unionists are voting tactically.

[Callum_62]

As shown by the large SNP majorities, despite the swings.That doesn't matter in Scotland mind.

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[MartinfaePorty]

Tactical voting looking like it is working for Unionists so far. Won't make a difference where SNP are well on top but could in the closer seats.Unless the fact that the seat is close made more SNP voters get out and vote

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[Moulin Yarns]

How much of the wee swing to the unionist parties is down to all the Salmond guff?

I think it is more to do with anti SNP tactical voting. I see the 3 Unionist parties combining behind the 2nd placed party to try to win a seat from the SNP. There is a small drop in percentage votes for SNP which might be attributable to Alba supprters voting 'anybody but SNP'

Just my thoughts.

[degenerated]

I’d be shocked if he lost his seat. He seems popular round here, he’s helped by the local Lib Dem councillors and together they are very visible on social media.I was hoping his well publicised abusive behaviour on zoom and the fact he made an utter tit of himself during the Salmond enquiry would hit his vote share.
The two lib dem councillors aren't much better, I asked Kevin Lang about street lighting once and he sent me a graph showing how many people had voted for him.

I

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[Moulin Yarns]

Labour and Lib Dems did not support Brexit. They accept the result, that's an important distinction.

OK to clarify, they are not intent on reversing it, unlike the Snp and Greens

[cabbageandribs1875]

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FFS Wullie Rennie

[Callum_62]

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[Green Man]

I was hoping his well publicised abusive behaviour on zoom and the fact he made an utter tit of himself during the Salmond enquiry would hit his vote share.
The two lib dem councillors aren't much better, I asked Kevin Lang about street lighting once and he sent me a graph showing how many people had voted for him.

I

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I was hoping his behaviour would count against him as well, but people seem to be happy that both ACH and the councillors have been posting COVID updates (which are basically a copy and paste of the guidelines when they’re published, but people see it as concern for the constituents). I don’t see that they’ve achieved much since they’ve been elected, but people seem to like their campaigns.

[ronaldo7]

Surely the SNP and Greens are atleast on the same political tact?

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So are Labour and the Tories. 😂

[JimBHibees]

Clydebank

SNP Hold

the returning officer was absolutely all over the place

Yep especially when she said the Lib dem candidate had 20k votes then corrected herself. :greengrin

[JimBHibees]

Q: Who did you vote for?

A: Well, you know I have always been a SNP voter but voted Green/Alba to get an Indy super majority

This thread is full of folk on the Indy side trying to work out tactical voting. Shameless :wink:

Can't ever imagine voting Tory if I claim to always have been a labour voter or vice versa

[Moulin Yarns]

Perthshire North ( my former Director as returning officer)

SNP 19860

Labour 2324

Tory 15807


Libdem 1182

Family 334

70% turnout

Swing 1% to SNP

49.5% of the votes to John Swinney


1 of my votes counted :wink: