Scottish Election 2021

[ronaldo7]

Postal votes have just arrived.

Coordinated with the SNP manifesto launch and leaflet drop.

Ye cannae whack it. 😉

[Mon Dieu4]

Postal votes have just arrived.

Yep just had a look through my Mum and Dad's, 2 parties on there trying to scrap the Scottish Parliament haha

[SHODAN]

Postal votes have just arrived.

Ours haven't yet.

[ronaldo7]

Yep just had a look through my Mum and Dad's, 2 parties on there trying to scrap the Scottish Parliament haha

Scottish Tories, and who else?

[Mon Dieu4]

Scottish Tories, and who else?

Good point, make that 3, UKIP and the scrap the Scottish parliament party both have on the ballot form what their aim is

[SHODAN]

Good point, make that 3, UKIP and the scrap the Scottish parliament party both have on the ballot form what their aim is

Amazing. Such a blatant "we don't like the party that runs Scotland and our favourite party (Tories) will never get in, so just scrap it" message. Transparent.

[Steven79]

Yep just had a look through my Mum and Dad's, 2 parties on there trying to scrap the Scottish Parliament haha

I would throw them in the bin!

[Mon Dieu4]

I would throw them in the bin!

I like my Mum

[Steven79]

I like my Mum[emoji28]

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[Keith_M]

Our postal ballot papers arrived today and we've filled them in and sent them back already.


I sent a message on my family's Telegram chat room to let them know (with no mention of who we voted for)... and immediately regretted it as it turned into a load of rants from family members about Nicola Sturgeon, the SNP, Independence, Beggars and Social Security scroungers.



I often wonder if I was adopted

:rolleyes:

[Jonnyboy]

To be fair it would be a huge blow to anyone being beaten by Murray Ross at anything.

What was she beaten at?

Weasel impersonations, or just a quick poll of who is generally the shiftiest looking in these two photos?

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Flag waving apparently

[Alex Trager]

Flag waving apparently

I heard it was tank ****ging

[CropleyWasGod]

I heard it was tank ****ging

Less of the language. Do you have turrets?

[Hibrandenburg]

Less of the language. Do you have turrets?

Let's please try and keep this thread on track.

[Smartie]

Adam Boulton interviewing Alex Salmond on Sky News - a bit of a car crash.

[Santa Cruz]

Adam Boulton interviewing Alex Salmond on Sky News - a bit of a car crash.

How's he allowed to travel to England? He's not an elected official, so no there on parliamentary business. Any election campaigning should surely only be happening in Scotland, no?

[Moulin Yarns]

1 labour and 2 SNP leaflets today. Surprised to see someone I know endorsed the Labour candidate.

[SHODAN]

I've now had two targeted leaflets with my name on them, from SNP and Labour. No right wing parties yet.

[oneone73]

I've now had two targeted leaflets with my name on them, from SNP and Labour. No right wing parties yet.

Didn't you say you had one from Labour?

[ronaldo7]

How's he allowed to travel to England? He's not an elected official, so no there on parliamentary business. Any election campaigning should surely only be happening in Scotland, no?

I take it he's working under the same rules as Keith Stammer. He's currently in Glasgow talking about independence.

[Santa Cruz]

I take it he's working under the same rules as Keith Stammer. He's currently in Glasgow talking about independence.

Who's Keith Stammer?

[Hibrandenburg]

Didn't you say you had one from Labour?

No, the National "Socialists" all vote Tory nowadays.

[Future17]

I take it he's working under the same rules as Keith Stammer. He's currently in Glasgow talking about independence.

Why would Starmer not be allowed to campaign for Labour in Scotland?

[ronaldo7]

Why would Starmer not be allowed to campaign for Labour in Scotland?

Who said he's not allowed?

[Bostonhibby]

Who's Keith Stammer?Murray Starmers left wing Brother.

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[Ozyhibby]

I see Salmond and Galloway are to do a debate with Andrew Neil. It’s really sad what has happened to Salmond.


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[Bostonhibby]

I see Salmond and Galloway are to do a debate with Andrew Neil. It’s really sad what has happened to Salmond.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI'm guessing it's a 3 way clash of the titans of the extremely dodgy looking old guys?

My money would still be on Neil with Salmond coming up on the inside rail and Galloway refusing to accept he is a distant and irrelevant dust trail....https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210416/f0fcc9177d6e129de69ddb66784a4fb5.jpg

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[ronaldo7]

I see Salmond and Galloway are to do a debate with Andrew Neil. It’s really sad what has happened to Salmond.


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I don't think this is going to happen. Not according to Salmond anyway.

[Moulin Yarns]

I don't think this is going to happen. Not according to Salmond anyway.

What are you doing listening to Salmond?

[Hiber-nation]

I've now had two targeted leaflets with my name on them, from SNP and Labour. No right wing parties yet.

I've had 8 from the Tories, 2 from SNP and nothing from any other parties. The Tory letter seems to be an almost daily occurrence. Good to see them wasting money.

[ronaldo7]

What are you doing listening to Salmond?

You should always listen to those wishing to have you vote for them. After the weak offering of my party on land reform, I'm thinking about offering my second vote to your mob.

Play nice.

[Future17]

Who said he's not allowed?

Nobody as far as I can see. You suggested that the same rules that allow Starmer to campaign in Glasgow would allow Salmond to travel to England. So you're saying Salmond is allowed to travel to England?

FWIW, I've no idea if he is or not. He probably has an exemption as the leader of a party with two MPs. It wouldn't surprise me as it would just another example of the ridiculous way in which some of the rules have been created, communicated and enforced (or not enforced as the case may be).

[Jack]

I've had 8 from the Tories, 2 from SNP and nothing from any other parties. The Tory letter seems to be an almost daily occurrence. Good to see them wasting money.

You could always send the tory ones back. I'm sure there's a freepost address for them somewhere online.

[ronaldo7]

Nobody as far as I can see. You suggested that the same rules that allow Starmer to campaign in Glasgow would allow Salmond to travel to England. So you're saying Salmond is allowed to travel to England?

FWIW, I've no idea if he is or not. He probably has an exemption as the leader of a party with two MPs. It wouldn't surprise me as it would just another example of the ridiculous way in which some of the rules have been created, communicated and enforced (or not enforced as the case may be).

I have no idea if he's allowed under the law. It doesn't really bother me one way or the other, however whilst the BLIS leader is swanning about Glasgow, and he's welcomed btw, I think other leaders should be offered the same leeway to stray into the far flung backwaters looking for votes. Let's have Johnson and his lot up as well. The more the merrier.

[Moulin Yarns]

You should always listen to those wishing to have you vote for them. After the weak offering of my party on land reform, I'm thinking about offering my second vote to your mob.

Play nice.

👍😁

[StevieC]

Whether or not his party actual get any Holyrood seats, whether or not he is included in any of the leader debates, there’s no disputing the fact that he will make his TV interviews an interesting watch

https://youtu.be/Cx3dptCFkS0

[Hiber-nation]

You could always send the tory ones back. I'm sure there's a freepost address for them somewhere online.

I used to do that with a polite (!) message to say don't send me these again but it has obviously been ignored. Might do it with the next one...

[cabbageandribs1875]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EzKLhCLVoAASMji?format=jpg&name=large

[sleeping giant]

Whether or not his party actual get any Holyrood seats, whether or not he is included in any of the leader debates, there’s no disputing the fact that he will make his TV interviews an interesting watch

https://youtu.be/Cx3dptCFkS0

Free weeks to the election . Party only been going for free weeks. Survived free inquiries . Will work wif other parties i fink.

[Future17]

I have no idea if he's allowed under the law. It doesn't really bother me one way or the other, however whilst the BLIS leader is swanning about Glasgow, and he's welcomed btw, I think other leaders should be offered the same leeway to stray into the far flung backwaters looking for votes. Let's have Johnson and his lot up as well. The more the merrier.

It really bothers me. If he's not allowed to travel to England under the rules then it should be addressed.

I'm not sure I understand your point about leaders being allowed to travel if other leaders are. Surely all that matters is what the rules are. There's likely to be different rules for travel within Scotland and travel externally in the context of the Scottish Parliamentary elections.

[Pretty Boy]

The only people sending me leaflets this year are the SNP. Another this morning which brings the tally to 5.

They extended their majority significantly in my constituency last time against a relatively high profile Labour candidate (Kezia Dugdale) and even a 7.5% growth in the Tory vote left them about 10K votes adrift in 3rd. Not sure why that necessitates me reading the same stuff 5 times.

I was tempted to tell my postie just to fire it straight in the recycling as it would save me a trip but I could do with the exercise.

[Skol]

The only people sending me leaflets this year are the SNP. Another this morning which brings the tally to 5.

They extended their majority significantly in my constituency last time against a relatively high profile Labour candidate (Kezia Dugdale) and even a 7.5% growth in the Tory vote left them about 10K votes adrift in 3rd. Not sure why that necessitates me reading the same stuff 5 times.

I was tempted to tell my postie just to fire it straight in the recycling as it would save me a trip but I could do with the exercise.

I don’t think I have ever had an snp leaflet. One each from conservatives and Lib Dem’s so far.

[SHODAN]

That's my postal vote in.

[Just Alf]

That's my postal vote in.Ours are completed (3), ready for posting next time I venture out.

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[danhibees1875]

I don’t think I have ever had an snp leaflet. One each from conservatives and Lib Dem’s so far.

Thought I'd done well with only having one leaflet from Tory, Labour, and SNP dropping about a week apart each. This morning seen me receive a green leaflet and also a letter specifically addressed to me which according to the return address will be another one from the Tories - hopefully not a sign of things ramping up.

[Northernhibee]

We received a leaflet from the anti-trans, anti-abortion 'Scottish Family Party'. A right nasty lot. Been blocked from their social media page for sharing support for the LGBTQ+ community. Would be a right shame if other people were to do the same, it really seems to wind them up...

[CloudSquall]

We received a leaflet from the anti-trans, anti-abortion 'Scottish Family Party'. A right nasty lot. Been blocked from their social media page for sharing support for the LGBTQ+ community. Would be a right shame if other people were to do the same, it really seems to wind them up...

I had to look them up and I thought repealing the smacking ban was a shocker but the below from the BBC article on them is an absolute belter,

""It (the manifesto) also suggests a "national certification in character qualities" such as good manners, punctuality, trustworthiness and industriousness, which it says could be used to assess whether people are eligible for state benefits later in life.""

[Renfrew_Hibby]

I had to look them up and I thought repealing the smacking ban was a shocker but the below from the BBC article on them is an absolute belter,

""It (the manifesto) also suggests a "national certification in character qualities" such as good manners, punctuality, trustworthiness and industriousness, which it says could be used to assess whether people are eligible for state benefits later in life.""

It really is quite incredible that people have that mindset.
Guessing they are all devout Christians, Muslims ect ect.

[lapsedhibee]

""It (the manifesto) also suggests a "national certification in character qualities" such as good manners, punctuality, trustworthiness and industriousness, which it says could be used to assess whether people are eligible for state benefits later in life.""

That's outrageous. Whoever missed out the requirement on that list for neatly combed short hair should be getting their jotters.

[DaveF]

I had to look them up and I thought repealing the smacking ban was a shocker but the below from the BBC article on them is an absolute belter,

""It (the manifesto) also suggests a "national certification in character qualities" such as good manners, punctuality, trustworthiness and industriousness, which it says could be used to assess whether people are eligible for state benefits later in life.""

Sounds like the kind of crap Rees-Mogg would champion.

[Moulin Yarns]

We received a leaflet from the anti-trans, anti-abortion 'Scottish Family Party'. A right nasty lot. Been blocked from their social media page for sharing support for the LGBTQ+ community. Would be a right shame if other people were to do the same, it really seems to wind them up...

I heard their election broadcast, jaw dropped!!!

[hibsbollah]

We received a leaflet from the anti-trans, anti-abortion 'Scottish Family Party'. A right nasty lot. Been blocked from their social media page for sharing support for the LGBTQ+ community. Would be a right shame if other people were to do the same, it really seems to wind them up...

I Like Mum party.

[Keith_M]

I had to look them up and I thought repealing the smacking ban was a shocker but the below from the BBC article on them is an absolute belter,

""It (the manifesto) also suggests a "national certification in character qualities" such as good manners, punctuality, trustworthiness and industriousness, which it says could be used to assess whether people are eligible for state benefits later in life.""


That sounds like it was written by my sister.

Though I was the one that suggested 'punctuality'

[ballengeich]

I had to look them up and I thought repealing the smacking ban was a shocker but the below from the BBC article on them is an absolute belter,

""It (the manifesto) also suggests a "national certification in character qualities" such as good manners, punctuality, trustworthiness and industriousness, which it says could be used to assess whether people are eligible for state benefits later in life.""
Sounds good. Boris Johnson would be ineligible for public office.

[cabbageandribs1875]

the Daily Heil advising the blues and the reds on which way to vote.......


https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/174682445_10225341885312302_2368496469900267900_n. jpg?_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=RKPbwu6c05wAX9vNcC9&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=c5d67cd1bf1d5f530e86be7661632f7c&oe=60A06C6F

[Moulin Yarns]

Fanciful guff. What about in the current real world that Scottish Parliament has devolved power over?

What are the economic policies of the likely coalition between SNP and Greens?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-56792209


As already pointed out to you by myself and others, but in case you want confirmation 😉

[SHODAN]

Thought I'd done well with only having one leaflet from Tory, Labour, and SNP dropping about a week apart each. This morning seen me receive a green leaflet and also a letter specifically addressed to me which according to the return address will be another one from the Tories - hopefully not a sign of things ramping up.

If anything addressed to me comes in from a party to the right of the Lib Dems it's getting returned to sender.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/political_alans/status/1384113013460897795?s=21


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[Bangkok Hibby]

https://twitter.com/political_alans/status/1384113013460897795?s=21


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Little ****!

[Ozyhibby]

Little ****!

You have to wonder who told him it would be a good idea to go on TV and promise £600m in cuts to the NHS during an election campaign?


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[SHODAN]

Thought I'd done well with only having one leaflet from Tory, Labour, and SNP dropping about a week apart each. This morning seen me receive a green leaflet and also a letter specifically addressed to me which according to the return address will be another one from the Tories - hopefully not a sign of things ramping up.

I've now received one of these. Has anyone opened one to see what it says? Mine's getting sent straight back.

I can't imagine the sender thought they'd convince either of us, given the names on the envelope - my fiancee is Greek and half of my name (both first and second names) is clearly Polish.

[JeMeSouviens]

I've now received one of these. Has anyone opened one to see what it says? Mine's getting sent straight back.

I can't imagine the sender thought they'd convince either of us, given the names on the envelope - my fiancee is Greek and half of my name (both first and second names) is clearly Polish.

You're Michael Sheen! :greengrin

(Sorry.)

[danhibees1875]

I've now received one of these. Has anyone opened one to see what it says? Mine's getting sent straight back.

I can't imagine the sender thought they'd convince either of us, given the names on the envelope - my fiancee is Greek and half of my name (both first and second names) is clearly Polish.

I opened it, but I'm struggling to remember what it said now before I popped it in the bin.

I think it was them trying to say they were the best/only option to stop the SNP getting a majority. Which I don't think is even true for the Lothians.

[Future17]

You're Michael Sheen! :greengrin

(Sorry.)

I have to admit I laughed out loud at that. :greengrin

[SHODAN]

You're Michael Sheen! :greengrin

(Sorry.)

:greengrin

[lapsedhibee]

You have to wonder who told him it would be a good idea to go on TV and promise £600m in cuts to the NHS during an election campaign?


Think he's probably just doing the Moyes role at Man U, being set up to make his successor, whoever she is, look relatively good.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/channel4news/status/1384203712189460490?s=21


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[Hibrandenburg]

https://twitter.com/channel4news/status/1384203712189460490?s=21


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Check mate :greengrin

[cabbageandribs1875]

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lol

[CloudSquall]

https://twitter.com/channel4news/status/1384203712189460490?s=21


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Cringetastic, I almost had to turn it off and I'm not a unionist.

[Mon Dieu4]

Fraser Nelson is on BBC1 just now and I'm ready to put my head clean through it

[CropleyWasGod]

LibDems starting to motor now in the leaflet stakes.

Up to 7, with a couple of weeks left. The record of 11 looks achievable.

[Ozyhibby]

Pretty dull election campaign so far. Nobody really making any headlines. I suppose that probably suits the SNP most?


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[Keith_M]

Pretty dull election campaign so far. Nobody really making any headlines. I suppose that probably suits the SNP most?




Yeah, it's all a bit dull.


Ross is probably better off saying as little as possible, as he has a serious case of 'Foot-in-Mouth'. They also seem to have persuaded BoJo to stay away... because he's a boon to the independence cause.

Sarwar does sound quite level headed and has a fairly easy time of it because Labour aren't in power in either Holyrood or Westminster. That makes it easy to criticise, make wild promises and not have to defend mistakes.

The SNP have gone quite quiet lately, aside from a couple of campaign promises. Depending on your political viewpoint, they're either taking the vote for granted or they're too busy with the day job.



We need a good old scandal to brighten things up a bit....



"Nicola Sturgeon in drug fuelled tryst with Patrick Harvie"

or

"Sarwar and Ross in Candlelit Dinner (with no masks on) plot to save the Union, as Willie Rennie bangs on window pleading to be allowed to join in "

[Hibrandenburg]

Yeah, it's all a bit dull.


Ross is probably better off saying as little as possible, as he has a serious case of 'Foot-in-Mouth'. They also seem to have persuaded BoJo to stay away... because he's a boon to the independence cause.

Sarwar does sound quite level headed and has a fairly easy time of it because Labour aren't in power in either Holyrood or Westminster. That makes it easy to criticise, make wild promises and not have to defend mistakes.

The SNP have gone quite quiet lately, aside from a couple of campaign promises. Depending on your political viewpoint, they're either taking the vote for granted or they're too busy with the day job.



We need a good old scandal to brighten things up a bit....



"Nicola Sturgeon in drug fuelled tryst with Patrick Harvie"

or

"Sarwar and Ross in Candlelit Dinner (with no masks on) plot to save the Union, as Willie Rennie bangs on window pleading to be allowed to join in "

Sarwar sounds like he's reading from a shopping list when he talks and any kind of conviction he might have just gets lost.

[Future17]

Sarwar sounds like he's reading from a shopping list when he talks and any kind of conviction he might have just gets lost.

I said similar the last time I saw him speak in parliament. I agreed with what he was saying, but was distracted by how he was saying it, to the extent that I zoned out.

[Skol]

when is the next (and last?) leaders debate ?

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210422/77b35a0f994edb1f77fd6d3a6cad52cb.jpg

Good for SNP, Labour and Greens. Poor for Tories. Alba look like they are about to crash and burn but the damage they do to SNP list vote might let an extra unionist or two win list seats.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210422/824a23ca46aaf35bba7a522e4774528f.jpg
Less good for Indy parties. And Alba moving into insignificance.


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[Santa Cruz]

when is the next (and last?) leaders debate ?

I've had a look and can't see when it's scheduled for.

[Ozyhibby]

https://scotgoespop.blogspot.com/2021/04/yougov-poll-points-to-big-pro.html?m=1


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[JeMeSouviens]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210422/824a23ca46aaf35bba7a522e4774528f.jpg
Less good for Indy parties. And Alba moving into insignificance.


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Only Panelbase has Alba at around 5-6% where they might pick up a few seats. Everyone else has them on 2-3 where their only chance is some kind of personal vote for Salmond in the NE. If he gets in he's going to have nae pals.

[Ozyhibby]

Only Panelbase has Alba at around 5-6% where they might pick up a few seats. Everyone else has them on 2-3 where their only chance is some kind of personal vote for Salmond in the NE. If he gets in he's going to have nae pals.

And the first panelbase poll prompted for them, so hard to take it seriously.


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[CloudSquall]

https://scotgoespop.blogspot.com/2021/04/yougov-poll-points-to-big-pro.html?m=1


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Makes a good point that the Labour increase is most likely to come from unionists giving up on Ross so it could have a negative effect on both of them in terms of seats.

[Sylar]

Received a pamphlet from this 'Scottish Family Party' through the post - should I wipe my arse with it before posting it back to them at their expense, or just shred it into really small pieces and post them all back at their expense individually? Decisions, decisions...

[SHODAN]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210422/824a23ca46aaf35bba7a522e4774528f.jpg
Less good for Indy parties. And Alba moving into insignificance.


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That is a bizarre poll; don't understand why the numbers have dipped so much? Nothing of significance has happened.

[Stick]

Only Panelbase has Alba at around 5-6% where they might pick up a few seats. Everyone else has them on 2-3 where their only chance is some kind of personal vote for Salmond in the NE. If he gets in he's going to have nae pals.

If Alba only get 5% then they will get no seats. They also cause the snp to lose one seat in the highlands and island and that seat goes to the Tories. The minimum they need to have any chance of even one seat is 5.4% and snp lose two seats and the greens lose two seats, Alba gain four seats, so no indie change. To increase the indie votes by ten seats they would need to get 15% of all the list votes.


Stats here%- Scotlandwhatif.weebly.com

https://scotlandwhatif.weebly.com/

[Lendo]

Called George Galloway a ****** last night as I ran past him being interviewed outside parliament. Sadly i don't believe it was for live TV.

[Ozyhibby]

That is a bizarre poll; don't understand why the numbers have dipped so much? Nothing of significance has happened.

This series of polls for the Scotsman have been asking the questions in some non standard ways or not weighting the results before publication etc. Not saying that’s the case for this one but a couple of the previous ones have done that.

https://scotgoespop.blogspot.com/2021/03/matchettgate-story-of-how-unionist.html?m=1

It’s the Scotsman and the same polling company and part of the same series of polls. Make up your own mind.


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[makaveli1875]

Im sure the last time i voted in the Scottish elections was the days of Henry Mcleish and the old Tory boot . Dont have a clue who to vote for . They're all dull and irritating

[xyz23jc]

Sarwar sounds like he's reading from a shopping list when he talks and any kind of conviction he might have just gets lost.

Probably because Starmer is working him from the back..... :greengrin:wink:

[CropleyWasGod]

Im sure the last time i voted in the Scottish elections was the days of Henry Mcleish and the old Tory boot . Dont have a clue who to vote for . They're all dull and irritating

Spoil your paper. It's a valid opinion.

[JeMeSouviens]

If Alba only get 5% then they will get no seats. They also cause the snp to lose one seat in the highlands and island and that seat goes to the Tories. The minimum they need to have any chance of even one seat is 5.4% and snp lose two seats and the greens lose two seats, Alba gain four seats, so no indie change. To increase the indie votes by ten seats they would need to get 15% of all the list votes.


Stats here%- Scotlandwhatif.weebly.com

https://scotlandwhatif.weebly.com/

Generally, I agree, but there could be local quirks. That's 5.4% in any one region. They could get 10% in the NE (and a seat) while getting next to FA everywhere else and it could easily show as 2% in a Scotland wide poll.

[JeMeSouviens]

That is a bizarre poll; don't understand why the numbers have dipped so much? Nothing of significance has happened.

It's all within the sampling error. You're going to get the odd poll that just had too many Tories in it. You need to get the average of a number of polls to confirm a trend before you'd really think anything has changed.

[Ozyhibby]

Generally, I agree, but there could be local quirks. That's 5.4% in any one region. They could get 10% in the NE (and a seat) while getting next to FA everywhere else and it could easily show as 2% in a Scotland wide poll.

I’ve a funny feeling Salmond won’t get a much higher share of the vote in the north east than Alba get anywhere else. [emoji1696]


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[Moulin Yarns]

Spoil your paper. It's a valid opinion.

Just don't complain when you don't get what you voted for 😉

[Santa Cruz]

Just don't complain when you don't get what you voted for 😉

No, I disagree. Complain all you like if you don't get what you voted for. Don't complain if you choose not to vote or decide to spoil your ballot paper which is essentially the same as not voting. Never understood the mindset of people who take the effort to spoil a ballot paper, it's juvenile and wastes time with the count and delivering results. As someone who has taken part in the count it's not like the staff have the time to sit and lol away the shift at the nonsense written on spoilt ballot papers.

[Future17]

No, I disagree. Complain all you like if you don't get what you voted for. Don't complain if you choose not to vote or decide to spoil your ballot paper which is essentially the same as not voting. Never understood the mindset of people who take the effort to spoil a ballot paper, it's juvenile and wastes time with the count and delivering results. As someone who has taken part in the count it's not like the staff have the time to sit and lol away the shift at the nonsense written on spoilt ballot papers.

To be fair, the candidates and agents often get a laugh at some of them. :greengrin

[Moulin Yarns]

No, I disagree. Complain all you like if you don't get what you voted for. Don't complain if you choose not to vote or decide to spoil your ballot paper which is essentially the same as not voting. Never understood the mindset of people who take the effort to spoil a ballot paper, it's juvenile and wastes time with the count and delivering results. As someone who has taken part in the count it's not like the staff have the time to sit and lol away the shift at the nonsense written on spoilt ballot papers.

Hi there. I was saying the same thing. If you spoil the papers don't complain about the results.

I think we are in agreement. 👍

[Santa Cruz]

Hi there. I was saying the same thing. If you spoil the papers don't complain about the results.

I think we are in agreement. 👍

Aah I see, I misunderstood from the wording of your post. :aok:

[Moulin Yarns]

I’ve a funny feeling Salmond won’t get a much higher share of the vote in the north east than Alba get anywhere else. [emoji1696]


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Eck is absent from the Alibaba party leaflets 🤔

[Moulin Yarns]

Aah I see, I misunderstood from the wording of your post. :aok:

I was replying to CWG on the option of spoiling the ballot papers.

We're all good. 👍

[Pretty Boy]

The idea you somehow lose the right to complain or have an opinion if you don't vote or spoil a ballot paper is utter bollocks.

I won't be voting in this election or any elections for the foreseeable lrecicesly because I have an opinion. A political opinion that is unrepresented by any of the options currently available. Voting for the least bad option will still be used as 'proof' a certain manifesto was endorsed and I'd rather play no part in that.

My one man protest will make absolutely no difference in the grand scheme of things but frankly I don't care.

[Santa Cruz]

The idea you somehow lose the right to complain or have an opinion if you don't vote or spoil a ballot paper is utter bollocks.

I won't be voting in this election or any elections for the foreseeable lrecicesly because I have an opinion. A political opinion that is unrepresented by any of the options currently available. Voting for the least bad option will still be used as 'proof' a certain manifesto was endorsed and I'd rather play no part in that.

My one man protest will make absolutely no difference in the grand scheme of things but frankly I don't care.

I've been disillusioned with politics in the past and not voted, then preceded to moan about successive Governments. No disrespect to you but it's not utter bollocks at all. For example the turnout for the Brexit Ref in Scotland was quite low. I think more people didn't bother to vote than voted to remain. Just about everyone you speak to has an opinion on it one way or another, guaranteed a fair amount of them didn't even bother voting.

[Pretty Boy]

I've been disillusioned with politics in the past and not voted, then preceded to moan about successive Governments. No disrespect to you but it's not utter bollocks at all. For example the turnout for the Brexit Ref in Scotland was quite low. I think more people didn't bother to vote than voted to remain. Just about everyone you speak to has an opinion on it one way or another, guaranteed a fair amount of them didn't even bother voting.

A referendum is fundamentally different to an election in that it is a binary choice. I still have no issue with people who didn't feel strongly enough to go out and vote though.

If I voted in the upcoming election I would be making too many compromises with myself and endorsing something I just don't believe in. I'm comfortable not voting and just as comfortable continuing to have an opinion on everything that happens in the next few years until the next relevant election. Maybe by that time someone will come along and offer something I can get behind. I'm not holding my breath on that one.

[Moulin Yarns]

The idea you somehow lose the right to complain or have an opinion if you don't vote or spoil a ballot paper is utter bollocks.

I won't be voting in this election or any elections for the foreseeable lrecicesly because I have an opinion. A political opinion that is unrepresented by any of the options currently available. Voting for the least bad option will still be used as 'proof' a certain manifesto was endorsed and I'd rather play no part in that.

My one man protest will make absolutely no difference in the grand scheme of things but frankly I don't care.

To be honest, there is possibily something in most manifestos that I could support. Conversely, I don't think I support every promise in any single party manifesto.

[CropleyWasGod]

No, I disagree. Complain all you like if you don't get what you voted for. Don't complain if you choose not to vote or decide to spoil your ballot paper which is essentially the same as not voting. Never understood the mindset of people who take the effort to spoil a ballot paper, it's juvenile and wastes time with the count and delivering results. As someone who has taken part in the count it's not like the staff have the time to sit and lol away the shift at the nonsense written on spoilt ballot papers.

The action of spoiling a ballot paper is absolutely a democratic choice. It says that the voter doesn't like the options that they've been given. The fact that they have taken the time to voice that opinion should be respected, whether or not it "wastes your time".

[Santa Cruz]

A referendum is fundamentally different to an election in that it is a binary choice. I still have no issue with people who didn't feel strongly enough to go out and vote though.

If I voted in the upcoming election I would be making too many compromises with myself and endorsing something I just don't believe in. I'm comfortable not voting and just as comfortable continuing to have an opinion on everything that happens in the next few years until the next relevant election. Maybe by that time someone will come along and offer something I can get behind. I'm not holding my breath on that one.

I respect anyone's decision not to exercise their right to vote, I'm not prepared to listen to folk moaning though if they couldn't stick a cross on a ballot paper for whatever reason. Like I say I've done it myself in the past, but I don't feel I can have a valid complaint if I opted out of a democratic process to play my small part in trying to enact the change I am looking for. If you get the result your looking for, you done your bit, if you don't, you can continue to have a good old moan for another 5 years. That's the way I see it.

[Santa Cruz]

The action of spoiling a ballot paper is absolutely a democratic choice. It says that the voter doesn't like the options that they've been given. The fact that they have taken the time to voice that opinion should be respected, whether or not it "wastes your time".

It's your choice if you wish to do that, it plays no part in the democratic process. It's a spoilt ballot paper and not forming part of any results.

[Pretty Boy]

I respect anyone's decision not to exercise their right to vote, I'm not prepared to listen to folk moaning though if they couldn't stick a cross on a ballot paper for whatever reason. Like I say I've done it myself in the past, but I don't feel I can have a valid complaint if I opted out of a democratic process to play my small part in trying to enact the change I am looking for. If you get the result your looking for, you done your bit, if you don't, you can continue to have a good old moan for another 5 years. That's the way I see it.

The result/change I'm looking for doesn't exist on the ballot paper that will be presented.

My part in the democratic process is excercising my right not to vote and refusing to endorse something I disagree with.

[CropleyWasGod]

It's your choice if you wish to do that, it plays no part in the democratic process. It's a spoilt ballot paper and not forming part of any results.

It does form part of the results. It's recorded and announced.

[Santa Cruz]

It does form part of the results. It's recorded and announced.

Yes for turnout percentage purposes, it doesn't count towards any elected party's result. Apologies for not being clearer.

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Wow. England, and the rest of the UK has a chance to listen.

[Steven79]

Wow. England, and the rest of the UK has a chance to listen.They are the UK and we are just their possessions.

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[weecounty hibby]

Anyone else catch Galloways election broadcast. Holy ****, he is a total con artist. The one time socialist had a picture of Churchill behind him. How anyone can take the one time Indy supporting, one time United Ireland supporting, one time Tory hater, now anti indy, supporter of the union who advocates voting Conservative seriously is beyond me

[cabbageandribs1875]

Anyone else catch Galloways election broadcast. Holy ****, he is a total con artist. The one time socialist had a picture of Churchill behind him. How anyone can take the one time Indy supporting, one time United Ireland supporting, one time Tory hater, now anti indy, supporter of the union who advocates voting Conservative seriously is beyond me



i know he craves attention, but....this one is doing the rounds, no idea if it's photoshopped, there's something just not right with wee weasel Galloway nowayears


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[Ryan91]

Anyone else catch Galloways election broadcast. Holy ****, he is a total con artist. The one time socialist had a picture of Churchill behind him. How anyone can take the one time Indy supporting, one time United Ireland supporting, one time Tory hater, now anti indy, supporter of the union who advocates voting Conservative seriously is beyond me

Much like Salmond, ever since he left the Party that made him Famous, everything has been all about HIM.

Salmond covers the fringes of the pro-Independence vote, Galloway the fringes of the pro-Unionist vote.

I don't think either man is making a serious attempt to return to the halls of power, it's all about being in the Spotlight.

[Ryan91]

i know he craves attention, but....this one is doing the rounds, no idea if it's photoshopped, there's something just not right with wee weasel Galloway nowayears


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It's a shop job, quite an obvious one when viewed full size, just pasted on top of the frames with bits of the original images visible below. Maggie's almost on the mantle, and BoJo's almost on the painting.

[weecounty hibby]

i know he craves attention, but....this one is doing the rounds, no idea if it's photoshopped, there's something just not right with wee weasel Galloway nowayears


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Definitely photoshop. The bitch Thatcher is where Churchill was and Johnson is where there was a pic of Galloway and Gordon Brown I think it looked like.

[Santa Cruz]

Anyone else catch Galloways election broadcast. Holy ****, he is a total con artist. The one time socialist had a picture of Churchill behind him. How anyone can take the one time Indy supporting, one time United Ireland supporting, one time Tory hater, now anti indy, supporter of the union who advocates voting Conservative seriously is beyond me

Never caught it, watched another interview that made me laugh when he was talking about the SNP. He said a generation in their book equates to the life span of a domestic rabbit.

I think he's a bit of a dope, but still can't stop myself from listening to him. Don't get me wrong, he's a slaver and as you say politically all over the place, but there is something captivating about him. I say elect him, it will liven up FMQ's if nothing else. :greengrin

[cabbageandribs1875]

It's a shop job, quite an obvious one when viewed full size, just pasted on top of the frames with bits of the original images visible below. Maggie's almost on the mantle, and BoJo's almost on the painting.


Definitely photoshop. The bitch Thatcher is where Churchill was and Johnson is where there was a pic of Galloway and Gordon Brown I think it looked like.


ta, damn shoppers :greengrin

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[Jack]

I've noticed there's a lot of adverts on Facebook for the various parties, including the very minority ones.

But there's also, what is a fair number of anti SNP ones from 'organisations' that I've never heard of. Surely with a cap on how much parties can spend on elections this is, at best, bending the rules.

[Moulin Yarns]

i know he craves attention, but....this one is doing the rounds, no idea if it's photoshopped, there's something just not right with wee weasel Galloway nowayears


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Churchill was where the witch photo is on the broadcast, I couldn't make out what was where the clown photo was.

[Moulin Yarns]

I got the Reform party leaflet today. Am I right in thinking that the only MSP they have jumped ship from the Dross party?

[Hibrandenburg]

BBC Question Time from Edinburgh tonight. Hope anyone intending to watch has freed their immediate area from heavy throwable objects that could damage the telly.

[Moulin Yarns]

BBC Question Time from Edinburgh tonight. Hope anyone intending to watch has freed their immediate area from heavy throwable objects that could damage the telly.

🤣👍 Time for bed said Zebedee

[Jones28]

I got the Reform party leaflet today. Am I right in thinking that the only MSP they have jumped ship from the Dross party?

Ahh the anti mask, no-more-lockdown, money over yer deid granny party.

[Moulin Yarns]

Ahh the anti mask, no-more-lockdown, money over yer deid granny party.

That's the one 👍

[Kato]

Anyone else catch Galloways election broadcast. Holy ****, he is a total con artist. The one time socialist had a picture of Churchill behind him. How anyone can take the one time Indy supporting, one time United Ireland supporting, one time Tory hater, now anti indy, supporter of the union who advocates voting Conservative seriously is beyond me

Dode's input was one of the most stilted appearances on TV ever. The script written down must have a full. Stop af. Ter ever. Y sec.. Ond sylla. Ble.

[Future17]

I've noticed there's a lot of adverts on Facebook for the various parties, including the very minority ones.

But there's also, what is a fair number of anti SNP ones from 'organisations' that I've never heard of. Surely with a cap on how much parties can spend on elections this is, at best, bending the rules.

Nope, although the better question might be whether the rules are fit for purpose. For the record, I don't think there's an easy answer to that.

[Future17]

A referendum is fundamentally different to an election in that it is a binary choice. I still have no issue with people who didn't feel strongly enough to go out and vote though.

If I voted in the upcoming election I would be making too many compromises with myself and endorsing something I just don't believe in. I'm comfortable not voting and just as comfortable continuing to have an opinion on everything that happens in the next few years until the next relevant election. Maybe by that time someone will come along and offer something I can get behind. I'm not holding my breath on that one.

I agree with your point about elections PB but I don't think it applies to referendums.

How can someone be entitled to complain about the result of a referendum they could have voted in but didn't?

[degenerated]

Churchill was where the witch photo is on the broadcast, I couldn't make out what was where the clown photo was.I thought it was one of the Queen, I might be wrong though.

Edit, I was wrong. No idea who it is.

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[Santa Cruz]

A few questions maybe SNP supporters can answer after watching Question Time last night.

It was sort of another Leaders Debate given the panel, minus NS. Any idea why she was not there, not really like her to miss an opp?

I've never heard of Keith Brown. I never knew we had a Depute Leader as well as a Deputy Leader. Is the Depute Leader a Government position or purely Party?

The SNP manifesto promise of free dental treatment didn't appear to have as much cash ring fenced as I would have thought was required. I worked it out at roughly £20 per adult. Is this pledge more a free scale and polish as opposed to full on free dental treatment?

[Glory Lurker]

A few questions maybe SNP supporters can answer after watching Question Time last night.

It was sort of another Leaders Debate given the panel, minus NS. Any idea why she was not there, not really like her to miss an opp?

I've never heard of Keith Brown. I never knew we had a Depute Leader as well as a Deputy Leader. Is the Depute Leader a Government position or purely Party?

The SNP manifesto promise of free dental treatment didn't appear to have as much cash ring fenced as I would have thought was required. I worked it out at roughly £20 per adult. Is this pledge more a free scale and polish as opposed to full on free dental treatment?

Don't know enough to answer last question, and don't know why NS wasn't there, although none of the other registered political parties sent their leader either ;-).

Depute is the "correct" Scottish terminology for deputy.

[Santa Cruz]

Don't know enough to answer last question, and don't know why NS wasn't there, although none of the other registered political parties sent their leader either ;-).

Depute is the "correct" Scottish terminology for deputy.

Thanks for the explanation. So we have two Deputy Leader's in Gov? Are Willie Rennie and Anas Sarwar not elected party leaders, if not who are all the party leaders and why are all these politicians appearing at so called Leader Debate's?

[lapsedhibee]

Are Willie Rennie and Anas Sarwar not elected party leaders, if not who are all the party leaders and why are all these politicians appearing at so called Leader Debate's?
Think GL is making a point about branch offices of parties, Davey and Starmer being the actual party leaders.

[Ozyhibby]

Doubt you would ever see the PM on question time, so why should the FM ever go on it?


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[StevieC]

Are Willie Rennie and Anas Sarwar not elected party leaders?

They are branch managers 😂

[ronaldo7]

A few questions maybe SNP supporters can answer after watching Question Time last night.

It was sort of another Leaders Debate given the panel, minus NS. Any idea why she was not there, not really like her to miss an opp?

I've never heard of Keith Brown. I never knew we had a Depute Leader as well as a Deputy Leader. Is the Depute Leader a Government position or purely Party?

The SNP manifesto promise of free dental treatment didn't appear to have as much cash ring fenced as I would have thought was required. I worked it out at roughly £20 per adult. Is this pledge more a free scale and polish as opposed to full on free dental treatment?

Nicola sturgeon was previously booked to do a radio programme on Clyde.

It couldn't have been party leaders as Boris is not coming up for this campaign.

[ronaldo7]

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So he lied.

Opposition MSPs were always going to have a go about the handling of the virus, but to blatantly lie is beyond the pale.

Maybe this is why he doesn't really say much. Possibility of getting caught out telling porkies.

[Moulin Yarns]

Keith brown is deputy leader of the party, John swinney is deputy First minister at holyrood.

[Glory Lurker]

Thanks for the explanation. So we have two Deputy Leader's in Gov? Are Willie Rennie and Anas Sarwar not elected party leaders, if not who are all the party leaders and why are all these politicians appearing at so called Leader Debate's?

Brown is depute leader of the SNP, which is a party position and not a government one.

None of the leaders of the SNP, Conservatives, Labour or Scottish Greens were there.

I don't want this to look like I am trying to steer the discussion in to pedantry in an attempt to avoid your question about funding. I don't know (I'm a drone and don't look in to things too much :-) ). It could well be a legitimate question and if so I hope there is a convincing answer.

[ronaldo7]

A few questions maybe SNP supporters can answer after watching Question Time last night.

It was sort of another Leaders Debate given the panel, minus NS. Any idea why she was not there, not really like her to miss an opp?

I've never heard of Keith Brown. I never knew we had a Depute Leader as well as a Deputy Leader. Is the Depute Leader a Government position or purely Party?

The SNP manifesto promise of free dental treatment didn't appear to have as much cash ring fenced as I would have thought was required. I worked it out at roughly £20 per adult. Is this pledge more a free scale and polish as opposed to full on free dental treatment?

The point about NHS dental care being made free alongside our free prescriptions.

NHS dental examination in Scotland is free of charge for everyone. ... NHS patients, who pay for their treatment, pay 80% of the treatment costs (including any X-rays), up to a maximum of £384. A dentist can ask for payment in advance

A wee bit more than a scale and polish. 😂

Keith Brown ex serviceman and all round good Hibby.

[Santa Cruz]

Cheers for the many responses.

So the Depute Leader is not part of the Gov but a senior party member, thanks for clearing that up.

Nobody in the Scottish Parliament that leads their party in an elected capacity is recognised as a Leader (other than NS obvs) because the parties exist in WM with different elected leaders and have now therefore been consigned to Branch Parties despite the fact this is who we are asked to vote for and represent us in the SP?

The figures for dental treatment that Keith Brown announced are not going to cover full dental treatment, I think he quoted £163million, divide that by approx 4 and half million with kids getting free treatment and it's not going to cover much more than a scale and polish or a very small filling.

[Santa Cruz]

So he lied.

Opposition MSPs were always going to have a go about the handling of the virus, but to blatantly lie is beyond the pale.

Maybe this is why he doesn't really say much. Possibility of getting caught out telling porkies.

Did you see the abuse this reporter took for asking NS some difficult questions. She got a tad rattled at some of them, as she tends to do when she gets questions she doesn't like. The abuse he took was a disgrace. Maybe also check out his tweets about the SG's response to his many questions on their handling of deaths in Care Homes, for a bit balance like.

[ronaldo7]

Did you see the abuse this reporter took for asking NS some difficult questions. She got a tad rattled at some of them, as she tends to do when she gets questions she doesn't like. The abuse he took was a disgrace. Maybe also check out his tweets about the SG's response to his many questions on their handling of deaths in Care Homes, for a bit balance like.

I saw the abuse that he received on Twitter, and you're correct, it was a disgrace.

What's this got to do with Anas telling lies?

[wookie70]

The idea you somehow lose the right to complain or have an opinion if you don't vote or spoil a ballot paper is utter bollocks.

I won't be voting in this election or any elections for the foreseeable lrecicesly because I have an opinion. A political opinion that is unrepresented by any of the options currently available. Voting for the least bad option will still be used as 'proof' a certain manifesto was endorsed and I'd rather play no part in that.

My one man protest will make absolutely no difference in the grand scheme of things but frankly I don't care.


To me spoiling your paper is indicating that you cannot vote for any of those in the election. I did that for quite a few elections as there was no-one standing in my constituency that I could endorse. Looking at something like Brexit I think most of the votes for that were actually indicating the status quo wasn't what they were after and the only option that could be seen that was different was Brexit. Farage took full advantage but a none of the above campaign could have led to a different outcome with potentially millions spoiling papers at a general election. I don't agree with you about not voting but sympathise with you in general. I'll vote SNP this time but don't like or trust them and don't think they align that closely with my politics. Indi is my only goal for me voting that way and they are the only conduit to achieve that goal.

[Stick]

Cheers for the many responses.



The figures for dental treatment that Keith Brown announced are not going to cover full dental treatment, I think he quoted £163million, divide that by approx 4 and half million with kids getting free treatment and it's not going to cover much more than a scale and polish or a very small filling.


Don’t know where you got this figure from, but it’s not true. The SNP manifesto, which the first minister read out live on tv, clearly states they will abolish all dentist charges.
Even if your statement had any validity, which it doesn’t, your calculation assumes that every adult needed treatment every year, which is not true. Many people have a check up with no or little treatment.
You can’t simply divide a sum of money by the entire population and come to your conclusion without any basis in facts.

From the SNP manifesto:-

“So I can confirm today that, over the course of the next parliament, if the SNP is re-elected, we will abolish all NHS dentistry charges.”

We can’t criticise politicians for exaggerating when we do the same thing. Let’s all try and play fair and honestly.

[Santa Cruz]

I saw the abuse that he received on Twitter, and you're correct, it was a disgrace.

What's this got to do with Anas telling lies?

I was just wondering why Anas was being highlighted here when the journalist has asked many probing questions of the SG on the same matter and received equally unconvincing responses. He wants to know why they are now saying they made mistakes discharging covid positive patients from hospitals to care homes when previously there was no admission despite him repeatedly asking. Coincidently their admission came just prior to the FOI figures released which was a request to the Crown Office for numbers of deaths in each Care Home. This info was released just after their admission.

[Santa Cruz]

Don’t know where you got this figure from, but it’s not true. The SNP manifesto, which the first minister read out live on tv, clearly states they will abolish all dentist charges.
Even if your statement had any validity, which it doesn’t, your calculation assumes that every adult needed treatment every year, which is not true. Many people have a check up with no or little treatment.
You can’t simply divide a sum of money by the entire population and come to your conclusion without any basis in facts.

From the SNP manifesto:-

“So I can confirm today that, over the course of the next parliament, if the SNP is re-elected, we will abolish all NHS dentistry charges.”

We can’t criticise politicians for exaggerating when we do the same thing. Let’s all try and play fair and honestly.

It was the figure he quoted when asked for it on QT. That's true the entire population won't require dental treatment. What's also true is the reason so many people don't visit the dentist is due to costs, you make that free and a lot of people will visit and due to not keeping up with check ups will require a fair bit of costly treatment. That needs to be factored in imo, from the figure he quoted, doesn't sound like they've done that.

[ronaldo7]

I was just wondering why Anas was being highlighted here when the journalist has asked many probing questions of the SG on the same matter and received equally unconvincing responses. He wants to know why they are now saying they made mistakes discharging covid positive patients from hospitals to care homes when previously there was no admission despite him repeatedly asking. Coincidently their admission came just prior to the FOI figures released which was a request to the Crown Office for numbers of deaths in each Care Home. This info was released just after their admission.

I was responding to a poster who posted up the interview. Is he not allowed to be scrutinised?

I've no idea why he told porkies, when it can clearly be checked, as the journo did.

Each to their own.

[Future17]

Nobody in the Scottish Parliament that leads their party in an elected capacity is recognised as a Leader (other than NS obvs) because the parties exist in WM with different elected leaders and have now therefore been consigned to Branch Parties despite the fact this is who we are asked to vote for and represent us in the SP?

I might be misunderstanding your question, but my concern is that if I voted for Labour, Conservative or Liberal Democrats in the SP elections, the decisions taken by the Scottish branches of those parties can be overridden at a "UK" level.

Just to add that Patrick Harvie is an elected (co)leader of a Scottish party as well as Nicola Sturgeon.

[Santa Cruz]

I might be misunderstanding your question, but my concern is that if I voted for Labour, Conservative or Liberal Democrats in the SP elections, the decisions taken by the Scottish branches of those parties can be overridden at a "UK" level.

Just to add that Patrick Harvie is an elected (co)leader of a Scottish party as well as Nicola Sturgeon.

So Patrick Harvie is a Branch Leader too seeing the Greens have a party at WM? The SP has Devolved powers, I can't see why the main WM parties would override any decisions that don't affect them. I don't expect anyone to agree, this is my opinion.

[Since90+2]

So Patrick Harvie is a Branch Leader too seeing the Greens have a party at WM? The SP has Devolved powers, I can't see why the main WM parties would override any decisions that don't affect them. I don't expect anyone to agree, this is my opinion.

The Scottish Greens are a completely separate entity to the Greens at Westminster.

[Renfrew_Hibby]

Never heard of Keith Brown?

He's held senior SG roles for years, been on the likes of QT numerous times and is also a massive Hibby!

[Santa Cruz]

Never heard of Keith Brown?

He's held senior SG roles for years, been on the likes of QT numerous times and is also a massive Hibby!

yes that's correct, never heard of him.

[Mr Grieves]

Did you see the abuse this reporter took for asking NS some difficult questions. She got a tad rattled at some of them, as she tends to do when she gets questions she doesn't like. The abuse he took was a disgrace. Maybe also check out his tweets about the SG's response to his many questions on their handling of deaths in Care Homes, for a bit balance like.

Ciaran Jenkins is a very good journalist and has been tough in all his party leader interviews. The abuse is completely unacceptable. He also pointed out there was a lot of abuse aimed at Sturgeon after that interview.

[Moulin Yarns]

None of the leaders of the SNP, Conservatives, Labour or Scottish Greens were there.



To be pedantic, the joint leader of the Scottish Green Party, lorna slater was there. So you could say that the Scottish greens gave more importance to the debate than all of the other parties.

[Since90+2]

It will be interesting to see how Lorna Slater's involvement with the campaign impacts the Greens vote. I get the impression she is probably quite a marmite character.

I think she has came across fairly well in the debates personally.

[Moulin Yarns]

So Patrick Harvie is a Branch Leader too seeing the Greens have a party at WM? The SP has Devolved powers, I can't see why the main WM parties would override any decisions that don't affect them. I don't expect anyone to agree, this is my opinion.

The Scottish greens are a totally different party to the English and Welsh party.

[Radium]

https://twitter.com/channel4news/status/1385310901914505216?s=21


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The scrutiny and criticism is fair with the mistake having been accepted. The trick is not to get shaken by a good journalist into making statements you can’t back up.

This will be a key point of any public enquiry and the strategy of the government, implemented by clinicians, at that time so concentrate on the strategy.

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[Santa Cruz]

The Scottish greens are a totally different party to the English and Welsh party.

Never knew that. Agree with the other poster about Lorna Slater being a possible marmite character.

[Jack]

With regard to the dentistry issue. If I can relate that to the prescriptions being made free. At the time fewer than 10% were paying for their prescriptions and the workload around checking claims for free prescriptions was more than what was being brought in by those that were paying. Obviously there's still administration costs but very much reduced.

Some people already receive free dental care, everyone else has their care hugely discounted. Perhaps the £136m is the extra cost to the public purse which, in my opinion, is a small price to pay from the overall budget for super benefit to the individual.

I might add that it will not be free dental treatment on demand. It will be for what is deemed to be clinically necessary. If someone wants fancy implants, gold teeth, white fillings in an area where its not necessary or the like it is very likely they're still going to have to pay up.

[Santa Cruz]

Ciaran Jenkins is a very good journalist and has been tough in all his party leader interviews. The abuse is completely unacceptable. He also pointed out there was a lot of abuse aimed at Sturgeon after that interview.

Agree, I think he's vey good. He's converted me to Channel 4 news.

[Glory Lurker]

To be pedantic, the joint leader of the Scottish Green Party, lorna slater was there. So you could say that the Scottish greens gave more importance to the debate than all of the other parties.

That's not pedantry, that's fairly correcting a glaring error! Telling duly taken! :-)

[Future17]

So Patrick Harvie is a Branch Leader too seeing the Greens have a party at WM? The SP has Devolved powers, I can't see why the main WM parties would override any decisions that don't affect them. I don't expect anyone to agree, this is my opinion.

What about the decisions that do affect them though?

[degenerated]

So Patrick Harvie is a Branch Leader too seeing the Greens have a party at WM? The SP has Devolved powers, I can't see why the main WM parties would override any decisions that don't affect them. I don't expect anyone to agree, this is my opinion.The Scottish greens and the greens are completely different entities. Patrick Harvie doesn't report to anyone.

For comparison, Scottish labour are an accounting unit of The Labour party.

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[Santa Cruz]

What about the decisions that do affect them though?

Can you give me an example please?

[Santa Cruz]

The Scottish greens and the greens are completely different entities. Patrick Harvie doesn't report to anyone.

For comparison, Scottish labour are an accounting unit of The Labour party.

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Yeah, apologies, posted earlier didn't know this about the Greens.

[weecounty hibby]

What about the decisions that do affect them though?
What about the Tories IM Bill that takes away devolved powers and brings them back to WM. Or the fact that a bill was passed recently by EVERY SINGLE MSP but now the English Tories are taking that decision to court and English Labour seem happy for it to happen. And the Scottish branches quickly fell into line even though their MSPs voted for it

[Future17]

Can you give me an example please?

- What powers should be devolved or reserved following Brexit.
- The incorporation of international treaties, such as the recent UNCRC bill.
- The function and performance of the civil service.
- Numerous areas where ideas in seemingly devolved areas would ultimately require action in reserved areas.

[JeMeSouviens]

- What powers should be devolved or reserved following Brexit.
- The incorporation of international treaties, such as the recent UNCRC bill.
- The function and performance of the civil service.
- Numerous areas where ideas in seemingly devolved areas would ultimately require action in reserved areas.

By all accounts, both Labour and Tories were remotely controlled from London in the Smith Commission deliberations.

[xyz23jc]

Dode's input was one of the most stilted appearances on TV ever. The script written down must have a full. Stop af. Ter ever. Y sec.. Ond sylla. Ble.

Bang on the money! :faf::greengrin

[Santa Cruz]

- What powers should be devolved or reserved following Brexit.
- The incorporation of international treaties, such as the recent UNCRC bill.
- The function and performance of the civil service.
- Numerous areas where ideas in seemingly devolved areas would ultimately require action in reserved areas.

Personally I'd want a change of administration in the SG before any of those powers were Devolved. The SNP's record of delivering pledges and their ongoing performance in many area's has been poor. They make enough noise about gaining more powers, they could have taken over nearly all the Benefit's system, yet they failed to meet the pledge. I don't have any faith in them. I want a change of Government in Holyrood and the same at WM in the next GE.

[Speedy]

I respect anyone's decision not to exercise their right to vote, I'm not prepared to listen to folk moaning though if they couldn't stick a cross on a ballot paper for whatever reason. Like I say I've done it myself in the past, but I don't feel I can have a valid complaint if I opted out of a democratic process to play my small part in trying to enact the change I am looking for. If you get the result your looking for, you done your bit, if you don't, you can continue to have a good old moan for another 5 years. That's the way I see it.

A single vote is totally inconsequential to the result. The idea that it differentiates whether that individual is entitled to an opinion (or a moan) in the next x years is ridiculous.

[CapitalGreen]

Personally I'd want a change of administration in the SG before any of those powers were Devolved. The SNP's record of delivering pledges and their ongoing performance in many area's has been poor. They make enough noise about gaining more powers, they could have taken over nearly all the Benefit's system, yet they failed to meet the pledge. I don't have any faith in them. I want a change of Government in Holyrood and the same at WM in the next GE.

So you’d want the incorporation of the UNCRC in Scottish Law to be delayed until whenever your preferred party was in power? Quite a selfish position to take.

[CropleyWasGod]

So you’d want the incorporation of the UNCRC in Scottish Law to be delayed until whenever your preferred party was in power? Quite a selfish position to take.

...particularly when all members voted in favour of its adoption.

[Santa Cruz]

A single vote is totally inconsequential to the result. The idea that it differentiates whether that individual is entitled to an opinion (or a moan) in the next x years is ridiculous.

All those single votes add up to the result.

There's plenty of posters on here who don't share the same views on a multitude of subjects. Even if I disagree with them, I wouldn't describe anyone's view as ridiculous. It comes across as viewing your own opinion as superior to others imo.

[ronaldo7]

I thought the policy area around trident was different in the two labour parties.

London labour have told the Scots to sit down.

Nothing the Scots can do about that, as they're outnumbered.

[weecounty hibby]

Personally I'd want a change of administration in the SG before any of those powers were Devolved. The SNP's record of delivering pledges and their ongoing performance in many area's has been poor. They make enough noise about gaining more powers, they could have taken over nearly all the Benefit's system, yet they failed to meet the pledge. I don't have any faith in them. I want a change of Government in Holyrood and the same at WM in the next GE.
That is quite a staggering take on things. Devolved powers are OK as long as its your party leading the devolved administration.

[Santa Cruz]

So you’d want the incorporation of the UNCRC in Scottish Law to be delayed until whenever your preferred party was in power? Quite a selfish position to take.

I don't even know what UNICRC is. I'd wager a bet many voters are the same as me. What I do know is given the current Governments record, I'd prefer another party to deliver any future changes with further Devolved powers. I never said my preferred party either btw, I said I want a change of Government. 14 years is enough given their record.

[CropleyWasGod]

I don't even know what UNICRC is. I'd wager a bet many voters are the same as me. What I do know is given the current Governments record, I'd prefer another party to deliver any future changes with further Devolved powers. I never said my preferred party either btw, I said I want a change of Government. 14 years is enough given their record.

Your party,assuming it has elected members, voted for the UNCRC. 😉

[JeMeSouviens]

All those single votes add up to the result.

There's plenty of posters on here who don't share the same views on a multitude of subjects. Even if I disagree with them, I wouldn't describe anyone's view as ridiculous. It comes across as viewing your own opinion as superior to others imo.

If you didn't think your opinion was superior to other opinions, why would you hold it?

[Santa Cruz]

Your party,assuming it has elected members, voted for the UNCRC. 😉

I don't know what UNICRC is. I'm your average voter, I'm not a political expert. I walk around with my eyes open and for the last time I will state all I want after 14 years is a new government.

[Santa Cruz]

If you didn't think your opinion was superior to other opinions, why would you hold it?

To exchange views in a respectful manner, sometimes you can learn from doing that. I certainly wouldn't say someone else's view was ridiculous because it differed from mines.

[JeMeSouviens]

To exchange views in a respectful manner, sometimes you can learn from doing that. I certainly wouldn't say someone else's view was ridiculous because it differed from mines.

No, neither would I. And there's loads of things I acknowledge I don't know enough about to have any or at least a fully formed opinion on.

For things I do have an opinion on though, I didn't just pick one at random, I chose the one I thought was the best. Hence superior.

[weecounty hibby]

I don't know what UNICRC is. I'm your average voter, I'm not a political expert. I walk around with my eyes open and for the last time I will state all I want after 14 years is a new government.
You have most certainly not had your eyes open if you don't know what the UNCRC is and how your choice of unionist parties in Scotland voted unanimously for us but your choice of unionist parties true leadership has said that its not on and are taking the Scots Government to court over it. Of unionist parties lead Scotland again this is what will happen continually.

[Santa Cruz]

You have most certainly not had your eyes open if you don't know what the UNCRC is and how your choice of unionist parties in Scotland voted unanimously for us but your choice of unionist parties true leadership has said that its not on and are taking the Scots Government to court over it. Of unionist parties lead Scotland again this is what will happen continually.

When you say unionist parties, are you saying Labour, Tory and Libdem parties are taking the SG to court?

[Speedy]

All those single votes add up to the result.

There's plenty of posters on here who don't share the same views on a multitude of subjects. Even if I disagree with them, I wouldn't describe anyone's view as ridiculous. It comes across as viewing your own opinion as superior to others imo.

The original point was that people shouldn't even voice their opinion (because they haven't voted).


At least I'm allowing people to make their point before calling it ridiculous :greengrin

[Santa Cruz]

No, neither would I. And there's loads of things I acknowledge I don't know enough about to have any or at least a fully formed opinion on.

For things I do have an opinion on though, I didn't just pick one at random, I chose the one I thought was the best. Hence superior.

Right, going to be honest, I kind of type like I speak, you are clearly more articulate in the way you word your posts. You've sort of lost me though, lol. Everyone's entitled to a differing view, personally for me dissing it as ridic because you don't agree with it comes across as superiority, bad manners etc

[cabbageandribs1875]

Brexit: Top EU official signals quick return for independent Scotland | The National (https://www.thenational.scot/news/19253187.independent-scotland-can-expect-quick-return-bloc-top-eu-official-signals/?fbclid=IwAR3LPIWzFuoniXKFzkN-zDOT0iV6DsZg4lKB2kP2g7GP7dpizpok71X0fSU)

A TOP European Union official has signalled that Brussels would look favourably on an independent Scotland joining the bloc.
Michael Mann, the EU’s envoy to the Arctic, also said that the new state could benefit from speedier membership process than other countries which had joined in recent years.


good to know :agree:

[weecounty hibby]

When you say unionist parties, are you saying Labour, Tory and Libdem parties are taking the SG to court?
No the UK government but they do appear to have the backing of UK Labour as well. And that has meant a whole heap of backtracking from Tories and Labour in Scotland. So as has been pointed out, branch offices with no authority to take a different stance from the UK parties.

[Santa Cruz]

The original point was that people shouldn't even voice their opinion (because they haven't voted).


At least I'm allowing people to make their point before calling it ridiculous :greengrin

Fair do's. It's no mandatory to vote. I've sat out a few elections myself. I just don't think I had a valid reason to complain/moan if I wasn't using my vote.

[Santa Cruz]

No the UK government but they do appear to have the backing of UK Labour as well. And that has meant a whole heap of backtracking from Tories and Labour in Scotland. So as has been pointed out, branch offices with no authority to take a different stance from the UK parties.

Ok so the Tory's. Like I said I would like a change of Gov in WM at the next GE.

[CropleyWasGod]

Brexit: Top EU official signals quick return for independent Scotland | The National (https://www.thenational.scot/news/19253187.independent-scotland-can-expect-quick-return-bloc-top-eu-official-signals/?fbclid=IwAR3LPIWzFuoniXKFzkN-zDOT0iV6DsZg4lKB2kP2g7GP7dpizpok71X0fSU)


A TOP European Union official has signalled that Brussels would look favourably on an independent Scotland joining the bloc.
Michael Mann, the EU’s envoy to the Arctic, also said that the new state could benefit from speedier membership process than other countries which had joined in recent years.


good to know :agree:


Cue lots of comments about the Minister for Polar Bears.

[JeMeSouviens]

Right, going to be honest, I kind of type like I speak, you are clearly more articulate in the way you word your posts. You've sort of lost me though, lol. Everyone's entitled to a differing view, personally for me dissing it as ridic because you don't agree with it comes across as superiority, bad manners etc

If I really was articulate, I wouldn't have lost you. :greengrin

Anyway, I think I get what you mean. You don't think your opinions are superior because it's you that holds them? Likewise for me.

[CropleyWasGod]

I don't know what UNICRC is. I'm your average voter, I'm not a political expert. I walk around with my eyes open and for the last time I will state all I want after 14 years is a new government.

Fyi

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_on_the_Rights_of_the_Child

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/hzbrandenburg/status/1385579410187853833?s=21

Thread on the massive coverage Salmond is getting.


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[Hibrandenburg]

https://twitter.com/hzbrandenburg/status/1385579410187853833?s=21

Thread on the massive coverage Salmond is getting.


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A bit like the media coverage Farage was gifted with and look how that ended.

[Hibrandenburg]

To exchange views in a respectful manner, sometimes you can learn from doing that. I certainly wouldn't say someone else's view was ridiculous because it differed from mines.

I've no qualms about saying someone's point of view is ridiculous providing it is ridiculous. Everyone is entitled to a point of view, but that doesn't mean it has to be respected or treated with respect.

[Santa Cruz]

Fyi

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_on_the_Rights_of_the_Child

Cheers will read later. I'm not sure if my lingering headache is down to my 2nd dose or this thread :aok:

[ronaldo7]

By all accounts, both Labour and Tories were remotely controlled from London in the Smith Commission deliberations.

Professor Tompkins took part for the Tories. He now wants a new act of union, forcing the Scots to stay in the union by law.

So much for the consent of the people.

[ronaldo7]

That is quite a staggering take on things. Devolved powers are OK as long as its your party leading the devolved administration.

Is this kind of like the bain principle?

[Future17]

Personally I'd want a change of administration in the SG before any of those powers were Devolved. The SNP's record of delivering pledges and their ongoing performance in many area's has been poor. They make enough noise about gaining more powers, they could have taken over nearly all the Benefit's system, yet they failed to meet the pledge. I don't have any faith in them. I want a change of Government in Holyrood and the same at WM in the next GE.

I understand that (irrespective of whether or not I agree with it). I was just attempting to illustrate the point that you could vote for your chosen party based on their SP election campaign and, if that party became the new SG administration, it could be prevented from delivering its campaign promises by its true leadership.

It renders the sovereignty of the Scottish electorate void.

[JeMeSouviens]

I understand that (irrespective of whether or not I agree with it). I was just attempting to illustrate the point that you could vote for your chosen party based on their SP election campaign and, if that party became the new SG administration, it could be prevented from delivering its campaign promises by its true leadership.

It renders the sovereignty of the Scottish electorate void.

There is no such thing. Our parliament is not sovereign and our people chose not to be. It is given limited license to exercise some of the UK parliament's sovereignty in Scotland. License that could be taken away tomorrow if WM so chose.

[Steven79]

There is no such thing. Our parliament is not sovereign and our people chose not to be. It is given limited license to exercise some of the UK parliament's sovereignty in Scotland. License that could be taken away tomorrow if WM so chose.What other country would accept this?

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[weecounty hibby]

What other country would accept this?

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60+ have decided not to accept it and have gained independence. Independence is normal, what we've got isnt

[JeMeSouviens]

What other country would accept this?

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Wales. :greengrin

[Future17]

There is no such thing. Our parliament is not sovereign and our people chose not to be. It is given limited license to exercise some of the UK parliament's sovereignty in Scotland. License that could be taken away tomorrow if WM so chose.

Oh, it definitely exists, it's just been supplanted. I take your point though that it's been supplanted by more than just the issue I was referring to.

[Just Alf]

For those saying Sturgeon is only apologising now about care homes....

"“These grieving families and care homes is probably the first thing I think about when I wake up in the morning and the last thing I think about before I go to sleep.”

Ms Sturgeon said she was “sorry for any error that I have made in this” and vowed to listen to all of the criticism and scrutiny of her government.

“I’m not carefully choosing my words – I probably don’t have the capacity to do that at the moment,” she said.

“I am trying to be as frank as possible and we’ve got things wrong and we will continue to try to put that right, and we will have all of the normal processes of accountability.”

Nicola Sturgeon - 28th October 2020

[lapsedhibee]

Eck's cracked it! Passed his campaignmobile in Porty this afternoon and the foghorn was blaring out "Vote Aliba!" No stopping him now he's learned to pronounce his party's name.

[Ozyhibby]

Eck's cracked it! Passed his campaignmobile in Porty this afternoon and the foghorn was blaring out "Vote Aliba!" No stopping him now he's learned to pronounce his party's name.

Saw it yesterday. I welcome the return of 70’s style campaign methods. [emoji106][emoji23]


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[Radium]

Saw it yesterday. I welcome the return of 70’s style campaign methods. [emoji106][emoji23]


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Only if there’s rosettes for the kids bikes to go with the football cards pegged to the back wheel


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[cabbageandribs1875]

Sarah Mackie on Twitter: "You Just Can't Colin (the Bunny Hugging mix) https://t.co/42l95of0Hx" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/lumi_1984/status/1385995538521337859?s=19&fbclid=IwAR3KtQiy8VLDE73RamfHMoY027rfjrDNIdSZBbwQP bucAV-NkkPEM8Hcrio)


you just can't colin/bunny hug mix

[lapsedhibee]

Sarah Mackie on Twitter: "You Just Can't Colin (the Bunny Hugging mix) https://t.co/42l95of0Hx" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/lumi_1984/status/1385995538521337859?s=19&fbclid=IwAR3KtQiy8VLDE73RamfHMoY027rfjrDNIdSZBbwQP bucAV-NkkPEM8Hcrio)


you just can't colin/bunny hug mix

On the same page:
https://twitter.com/wgsaraband/status/1385615514542776324 :faf:

[CloudSquall]

On the same page:
https://twitter.com/wgsaraband/status/1385615514542776324 :faf:

A former gay porn star running for the Scottish Family Party, now THAT is what I expect from the Scottish campaign trail :agree::greengrin

[CropleyWasGod]

A former gay porn star running for the Scottish Family Party, now THAT is what I expect from the Scottish campaign trail :agree::greengrin

Former gay?

Has he had that conversion therapy thing?🤪

[Ozyhibby]

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New poll makes good reading for SNP and also puts Labour in 2nd place. Alba still unlikely to win a seat.


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[Glory Lurker]

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New poll makes good reading for SNP and also puts Labour in 2nd place. Alba still unlikely to win a seat.


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I'll take that all day long. Tories back in their natural place would be the icing on the cake.

[CloudSquall]

Can't be long until the "vote RUTH DAVIDSON (Scottish Conservatives) " leaflets drop for some panic station damage limitation, Dross is having an absolute Weston-Super-Mare.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/scottish-election-poll/amp/?__twitter_impression=true


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[ACLeith]

Can't be long until the "vote RUTH DAVIDSON (Scottish Conservatives) " leaflets drop for some panic station damage limitation, Dross is having an absolute Weston-Super-Mare.



Second tory leaflet popped through the door yesterday. The prominent picture was of Ruthie with her stooge on the back page.

Pushing a list vote for them so not one word about policies. Only 17 mentions of indy/referendum thus time, 6 less than the first leaflet.

[lucky]

If this poll is accurate, then it great news for the SNP, good news for Labour and the Greens. But probably best news for independence movement that Scotland’s future does not include Salmond and his rabble of fruit cakes.

[SHODAN]

Had a horrible dream last night that the result of the election was a Tory/Lib Dem coalition.

[Callum_62]

Had a horrible dream last night that the result of the election was a Tory/Lib Dem coalition.That wouldn't mean anything though as apparently one party needs to win a majority on there own to prove anything

[emoji57]

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[Ozyhibby]

Amazing difference in Marr’s approach to sturgeon compared with his approach to Sarwar. Much more adversarial.


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[Moulin Yarns]

Had a horrible dream last night that the result of the election was a Tory/Lib Dem coalition.

Too much cheese late at night does that sort of thing. 😉

[SHODAN]

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New poll makes good reading for SNP and also puts Labour in 2nd place. Alba still unlikely to win a seat.


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Christ, Ross is tanking.

[weecounty hibby]

Christ, Ross is tanking.

Appropriate for a complete and utter tanker!

[H18S NX]

Amazing difference in Marr’s approach to sturgeon compared with his approach to Sarwar. Much more adversarial.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk...Spot on m8,noticed that myself.

[Hibrandenburg]

Amazing difference in Marr’s approach to sturgeon compared with his approach to Sarwar. Much more adversarial.


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Nothing new in that. Sturgeon had him for breakfast though.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Appropriate for a complete and utter tanker!


Right now he is the other Party's biggest asset. If he can't become at least an equivalent presence to Ruth the Mooth, he stands no chance up against Sturgeon . So far, he comes across like a top of he class P7 Head-boy who had been invited up the big school as a special treat. Serial grinner , wee Willie Rennie , must love him for the gravitas that he gives him.

[Stick]

Nothing new in that. Sturgeon had him for breakfast though.


At last Sturgeon seems to have found out how to deal with Marr. Don’t allow him to continuously interrupt, turn his dubious facts against him and don’t be sidelined. It was a masterclass, if you haven’t seen it, then it’s well worth watching on catch-up. marr got a long overdue spanking and I bet he was glad when it was over.

[The Harp Awakes]

At last Sturgeon seems to have found out how to deal with Marr. Don’t allow him to continuously interrupt, turn his dubious facts against him and don’t be sidelined. It was a masterclass, if you haven’t seen it, then it’s well worth watching on catch-up. marr got a long overdue spanking and I bet he was glad when it was over.

Sturgeon handled his aggressive questioning very well indeed.

As others have said, he was a pussycat with Sarwar. BBC political bias in full flow again.

[SHODAN]

ANOTHER Tory leaflet through our door today.

[Ozyhibby]

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[Kato]

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Fish Face Gove for PM soon. Then Boris starts grassing the rest of them up. Then Gove'll go and he'll starts grassing them up, ...then...

[SHODAN]

Fish Face Gove for PM soon. Then Boris starts grassing the rest of them up. Then Gove'll go and he'll starts grassing them up, ...then...

Sunak, then Rees-Mogg. Tories still in power and 20 points ahead this time next decade. Calling it.

[Future17]

Amazing difference in Marr’s approach to sturgeon compared with his approach to Sarwar. Much more adversarial.


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I'm clearly in the minority here, but I didn't think he came across as adversarial with Sturgeon. He asked some pretty stupid questions for an intelligent man - the one about about Sturgeon's Brexit financial modelling quote being a particular highlight - but mostly I just found him boring.

If that's the best the BBC can manage ahead of an SP election, it's no wonder the SNP appear to be cruising.

[Bangkok Hibby]

I'm clearly in the minority here, but I didn't think he came across as adversarial with Sturgeon. He asked some pretty stupid questions for an intelligent man - the one about about Sturgeon's Brexit financial modelling quote being a particular highlight - but mostly I just found him boring.

If that's the best the BBC can manage ahead of an SP election, it's no wonder the SNP appear to be cruising.

For me he came across as clueless and uninterested in listening to her answers. He was clearly just moving on to each new question without engaging.

[StevieC]

Sturgeon handled his aggressive questioning very well indeed.

As others have said, he was a pussycat with Sarwar. BBC political bias in full flow again.

Not only was he a pussycat but he kept pushing him to pin his colours to the mast on Independence. Sarwar knows he won’t “out Union” the unionist party, so is trying to avoid that, but Marr is obviously trying to debunk Independence at every opportunity.

[lapsedhibee]

He asked some pretty stupid questions for an intelligent man - the one about about Sturgeon's Brexit financial modelling quote being a particular highlight - but mostly I just found him boring.

Yes, he didn't seem to get the point at all about him making the independence argument for her by raising the issue of Scotland's poor fiscal position within the UK.

[Lendo]

The Scottish Family Party.........wow. Just had their leaflet through the door. Thought for a second that i had woken up in the 1950's.

[CloudSquall]

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/scottish-greens-are-sturgeon-s-solar-powered-sock-puppets

Susan Dalgety going balls to the walls against the Greens, Kickback levels of seethe.

Had a good point though on losing someone like Andy Wightman and his fight for land reform and I do have to admit the "Waitrose wing of the SNP" line did get a chuckle.

[Skol]

Marr made some mistakes, but I didnt think Sturgeon was impressive. The answers on the border were weak. Acknowledging she agreed on the EU rules but stating she would keep trade flowing, but couldnt explain how. All very reminiscent of the Brexiteers over Ireland.

The lack of an economic assessment could also have been better illustrated in that we are essentially being asked to give a mandate to be asked a question on which we dont know what the impact will be

[Moulin Yarns]

Got leaflets from 3 minority parties today.


Freedom Alliance, who are telling me that they will abstain on any vote on the main issue in Scottish politics and freedom means not following the scientific evidence on covid!!

#supermajority party is all about getting more pro independence MSPs

Both votes scottish labour talking about a national recovery plan.

[Onceinawhile]

The Scottish Family Party.........wow. Just had their leaflet through the door. Thought for a second that i had woken up in the 1950's.

Yes, I certainly won't be going near them!

[Callum_62]

Marr made some mistakes, but I didnt think Sturgeon was impressive. The answers on the border were weak. Acknowledging she agreed on the EU rules but stating she would keep trade flowing, but couldnt explain how. All very reminiscent of the Brexiteers over Ireland.

The lack of an economic assessment could also have been better illustrated in that we are essentially being asked to give a mandate to be asked a question on which we dont know what the impact will be

Shouldn't the detail around that be given when we are allowed to be asked the question?

I can't see how it's similar to brexit when brexit was actually in process

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