Porteous

[Unseen work]

I was a big admirer of Ryan but he’s frustrating me more and more.

He needs to decide who he is, if he wants to act a big tough man then fine but he needs to play like it and consistently. He’s acting tough one minute then diving or rolling about the floor to get a foul the next.

Near the end of the game today he chipped the ball to their midfielder who was 30 yards out?

The 1st goal was amateur defending from him. Kerr barely had to move to get space as Porteous got attracted to the ball and caught under it.

Games like that today and the goals we conceded made me wish we had Daz in the team. He would go and dominate in the air and take no prisoners, he knows what sort of player he is and doesn’t change.

Porteous has so much potential but him being indecisive is costing him and as a result us of so many goals.

Id be tempted to bring in a centre half the just loves defending and does the job well. Guthrie, Gallagher and Jason Kerr are 3 examples.

[hibbysam]

I was a big admirer of Ryan but he’s frustrating me more and more.

He needs to decide who he is, if he wants to act a big tough man then fine but he needs to play like it and consistently. He’s acting tough one minute then diving or rolling about the floor to get a foul the next.

Near the end of the game today he chipped the ball to their midfielder who was 30 yards out?

The 1st goal was amateur defending from him. Kerr barely had to move to get space as Porteous got attracted to the ball and caught under it.

Games like that today and the goals we conceded made me wish we had Daz in the team. He would go and dominate in the air and take no prisoners, he knows what sort of player he is and doesn’t change.

Porteous has so much potential but him being indecisive is costing him and as a result us of so many goals.

Id be tempted to bring in a centre half the just loves defending and does the job well. Guthrie, Gallagher and Jason Kerr are 3 examples.

I agree with the most part, but it’s unfair to have a go at him for getting clattered early on. No need at all.

[craigmcfarlane]

Porteous will be a fantastic CB and will no doubt be a future Scottish international.
His issue is that he cannot get away with half the stuff he does with Hanlon and McGinn beside him. He needs as you said a Declan Gallagher type beside him.

[Unseen work]

I agree with the most part, but it’s unfair to have a go at him for getting clattered early on. No need at all.

Sorry for clarity that’s not relating to the sore one he took early on today.

It was meant as an overall observation. He seems to drop to the floor very quickly and dive about wanting fouls all the time.

[Nicho87]

Confirmed tonight won’t get picked for Scotland at euros

[NC1875]

Said it a million times. He won’t improve with Hanlon beside him.

Players must absolutely love playing us. Softest side in the league

[tamig]

Adam Jackson was looking really good before last season was ended. We’ve missed him badly imo.

[KingPat4]

Porto was targeted as a weak link today. That's from a source in the Saints backroom team.

[gaz1875]

Sorry for clarity that’s not relating to the sore one he took early on today.

It was meant as an overall observation. He seems to drop to the floor very quickly and dive about wanting fouls all the time.

I said similar on another thread, too busy looking for fouls instead of looking to win the ball. When he first made the first team that's all he wanted to do win everything, now he looks for a slight touch and it's distracting his game, He needs to watch how Daz defended in his day.

[JimBHibees]

Said it a million times. He won’t improve with Hanlon beside him.

Players must absolutely love playing us. Softest side in the league

His performance was woeful twice not attacking the ball and tries to pathetically buy a foul. Shambolic defending.

[Callum_62]

Ryan's only 21, a good spl player with heaps of potential to develop

Young players lack consistently and sometimes have bad games

Ryan is not an issue for us imho

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[JohnM1875]

Think some folk forget how young Porto still is at times. He could have done with a few more seasons getting game time here and there alongside Daz and Hanlon, unfortunately that hasn't been possible.

Feel sorry for him at times cause he has made a fair few errors that's led to goals this season.

[Hibernianrus]

Porto was targeted as a weak link today. That's from a source in the Saints backroom team.

also heard this through a friend of Steven McLean

[Since452]

Absolutely woeful at the first goal. A goal that was a game changer. I blame him more than Jack Ross.

[Since452]

Adam Jackson was looking really good before last season was ended. We’ve missed him badly imo.

Said the same thing a while back. Was also a goal threat.

[hibsboy69]

Think some folk forget how young Porto still is at times. He could have done with a few more seasons getting game time here and there alongside Daz and Hanlon, unfortunately that hasn't been possible.

Feel sorry for him at times cause he has made a fair few errors that's led to goals this season.


Ryan is only one year younger than Jason Kerr. I know who I'd rather have playing Centre Back !

[h1bs4life]

Said it a million times. He won’t improve with Hanlon beside him.

Players must absolutely love playing us. Softest side in the league

Agree he has got youth on his side but he will never learn how to be a centre half playing beside Hanlon

[Lancs Harp]

Time on his side but patience is running thin, he continues to be rash and his decision making poor. He isnt improving fast enough.

[Heisenberg]

It was him that got caught out in the hearts semi final too I’m sure. Needs to be better.

[THESHIP]

I have a feeling his career will take a similar path to Paul Hanlon’s. Almost overhyped when first breaking into the team, but definitely not bad enough to get rid of him. Will no doubt have a few stand out games and others where he makes mistakes.

He’s one of these players where Hibs will probably be his level for his whole career and will never be consistent enough to get a better move.

[MrRobot]

Porteous is decent enough and will get better, mistakes are all part of the development. He needs a strong leader beside him and I don’t think that’s Hanlon unfortunately.

[Since452]

Lying there on the floor like a big girls blouse while the St Johnstone players celebrate. I'm sorry but he needs to grow a set of nuts. I like Ryan and think he has something but **** me man man up. They must have been pissing themselves laughing. I hope big Darren McGregor pulls him up on it. Darren is past it in all honesty but he wouldn't lie there like a wet blanket. He's playing against men here. A centre half needs to be imposing in my opinion. He needs to learn and fast or he'll not go any further. I don't think Paul Hanlon is the right personality to give him a rocket when he needs it. Paul isn't a bad ******* and we need a bad ******* as captian.

[Coach Jon]

Porteous is decent enough and will get better, mistakes are all part of the development. He needs a strong leader beside him and I don’t think that’s Hanlon unfortunately.

This 100%, Hanlon is soft as *****.

[northern-hibee]

Another one who believes the hype surrounding him. Never an international in a million years, Hibs stalwart for the next 15 years as we continue to accept mediocrity

[Callum_62]

Another one who believes the hype surrounding him. Never an international in a million years, Hibs stalwart for the next 15 years as we continue to accept mediocrityBut harsh on a young player who's been more than good this year

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[1875Sean]

Porto has been poor for a few games, he has at fault for a few goals today, also against Livvy and Ross County, it’s funny how half the people on here are blaming Hanlon for his mistakes, some pretty basic! I think a few games out the team will do him good in the long term, I know the issue is we don’t have much cover there which we need to address but I would player McGregor against Rangers

[Golden Bear]

Porto has been outstanding for us this season, lets not forget that.

Admittedly he struggled badly today but I do wonder if the knock he took in the first 5mins of the game adversely affected his performance.

[JimBHibees]

Sorry for clarity that’s not relating to the sore one he took early on today.

It was meant as an overall observation. He seems to drop to the floor very quickly and dive about wanting fouls all the time.

He needs to remember he plays for Hibs we don't get these soft fouls. Concentrate on defending first

[Hibeesforever]

Too short to be a centre half!

[1648]

Mentioned this a couple of times. We need a captain and the current certainly ain't one

[Unseen work]

Hanlon has absolutely no impact on Porteous losing his man at a corner today.

[broondog]

Huge mistake at the first goal, he needs to take responsibility for the loss today. Awful performance

[Cameron1875]

Being put next to Hanlon is going to ruin this laddie. What I would give for a time machine to put David Gray and Darren McGregor in!

[MWHIBBIES]

Can anyone show me the evidence that playing with Hanlon has had a negative effect on him?

[Stokesy's on fire]

Being put next to Hanlon is going to ruin this laddie. What I would give for a time machine to put David Gray and Darren McGregor in!

It's not Hanlons fault that Porteous is poor.

[BSEJVT]

What has happened to the dominant centre half that first broke through?

Needs to get back to basics and clear out everything when he makes a challenge

I have my doubts he should have carried on after that injury he was either badly hampered or had a terrible game

[Heisenberg]

It's not Hanlons fault that Porteous is poor.

I find it ridiculous Hanlon seems to be getting blamed for Porteous making mistakes. He’s cost us dearly in both semi finals due to individual mistakes. Of course Hanlon himself wasn’t brilliant for the second goal either but he can’t take the blame for Porteous ****ing up.

[LeithMike]

Porteous will be a fantastic CB and will no doubt be a future Scottish international.
His issue is that he cannot get away with half the stuff he does with Hanlon and McGinn beside him. He needs as you said a Declan Gallagher type beside him.There is an assumption that young players improve. That's not always the case. In order to become an international, Porteous has got a lot if learning to do - he's got to learn how to control his instinct to make rash decisions and learn control and discipline. If that doesnt happen then he might quickly go backwards.

A lot of this also comes down to good coaching and there were signs earlier in the season that things were improving. Things have regressed rapidly.



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[lucky]

Poteous was poor yesterday along with several others. He’s does get a free pass or get to blame Hanlon. He cost us the crucial opening goals and carries his share of the blame.

[Robbo6-2]

He is miles off being a good domestic level centre half never mind an international player.

He has not progressed at all since he broke through under Lennon.

His first 10 or so ganes in our first team, he was outstanding and the hype was justified.

Perhaps it's his injuries have took its toll. He is no where near the level he was at.

Said it before and will stand by it, he will not play for a bigger club than Hibs.

Compare St Johnstones 3 centre halfs compared to ours it was like night and day. So much stronger yet we are weak as pish water.

As for Hanlon, he has had a good career but never a captain. Not a leader. Part of the reason we are soft. Its time to move these guys on.

[Tommy75]

I really don't understand why Hanlon is coming in for so much criticism when it was Porteous who has made some very basic mistakes this season.

If Hanlon is responsible for Porteous' shortcomings, then surely he deserves some credit for the positive elements to Porteous' game?

Porteous will be 22 in March. He is young yes, but old enough to take responsibility for his own game and performances and shouldn't need his hand held by an experienced centre half.

[CentreLine]

Porto has been outstanding for us this season, lets not forget that.

Admittedly he struggled badly today but I do wonder if the knock he took in the first 5mins of the game adversely affected his performance.

He has been outstanding but sadly not since he was called up that once to the full Scotland squad. And that awful performance in the Scottish Cup semi. He has had his moments since then but seems, at best, to have stood still in his progress and in many respects gone backwards.

He is not the only one, Boyle being a good example, but he seems to spend too much time on his backside these days. He also seems to look to do the clever stuff rather than stick to doing the basics very well

[easty]

I find it ridiculous Hanlon seems to be getting blamed for Porteous making mistakes. He’s cost us dearly in both semi finals due to individual mistakes. Of course Hanlon himself wasn’t brilliant for the second goal either but he can’t take the blame for Porteous ****ing up.

It’s a ****ing joke how much some people are desperate to blame Paul Hanlon for everything.

Now we’ve got folk saying if we had Gallagher playing with Porto, he’d be better. Based on nothing. Have Motherwell, or did Livi, have a young centre half who Gallagher brought on loads?

People also seem to ignore that Gallagher is 13 games without a win, one clean sheet in those games, and lost 3 goals to Hamilton and to us, and 2 against Killie. He’s apparently the player we need though. When we lose goals, Hanlon is ****. When Motherwell lose more goals than we do, Gallagher is what we need.

Can’t be arsed with some Hibs fans.

[Robbo6-2]

It’s a ****ing joke how much some people are desperate to blame Paul Hanlon for everything.

Now we’ve got folk saying if we had Gallagher playing with Porto, he’d be better. Based on nothing. Have Motherwell, or did Livi, have a young centre half who Gallagher brought on loads?

People also seem to ignore that Gallagher is 13 games without a win, one clean sheet in those games, and lost 3 goals to Hamilton and to us, and 2 against Killie. He’s apparently the player we need though. When we lose goals, Hanlon is ****. When Motherwell lose more goals than we do, Gallagher is what we need.

Can’t be arsed with some Hibs fans.

We get it.

You love Paul Hanlon.

Your love for him has blinded you to his major weaknesses.

Hes not good enough for a team wanting to finish top 3 and win cups.

[easty]

We get it.

You love Paul Hanlon.

Your love for him has blinded you to his major weaknesses.

Hes not good enough for a team wanting to finish top 3 and win cups.

Yeh I love him. Clown.

I’m not blind to his weaknesses, he was ***** last night.

[Robbo6-2]

Porteous will not have a better career than Jordan Foster.

He will end up down south after his contract with someone like Doncaster or Forest Green. Down there for a couple of seasons and then back up the road to finish his career at Falkirk.

Willing to bet anyone that he wont be a international player or play at a bigger club than Hibs.

[Wee Mickey]

I said a couple of months ago that he was an average centre back. Too rash in the tackle and unaware of what’s happening around him most of the time. Won’t play at a higher level.

[NC1875]

Yeh I love him. Clown.

I’m not blind to his weaknesses, he was ***** last night.

If you’re not blind to his weaknesses you’ll agree we need better then ?

Hanlons been part of a soft hibs side for years. He’s the one common theme in a soft defence. Yet all the Hanlon lovers on here tell us it’s not his fault, we’re lucky to have him etc.

Games and disappointments like yesterday will continue unless we get some leaders in the team. Paul Hanlon as captain ? Ridiculous

People are right to question him when Porteous form is poor. What’s he going to learn from Hanlon ? How to play a 50 yard diagonal pass to no one ?

[Brightside]

If you’re not blind to his weaknesses you’ll agree we need better then ?

Hanlons been part of a soft hibs side for years. He’s the one common theme in a soft defence. Yet all the Hanlon lovers on here tell us it’s not his fault, we’re lucky to have him etc.

Games and disappointments like yesterday will continue unless we get some leaders in the team. Paul Hanlon as captain ? Ridiculous

People are right to question him when Porteous form is poor. What’s he going to learn from Hanlon ? How to play a 50 yard diagonal pass to no one ?

He’s better than Porto tho yeh. We can agree on that surely.

[Chuck Rhoades]

A spice boy who thinks he’s a footballer. Spent half his last 3-4 years in Woodburn Club acting billy big baws. Bin.

[easty]

If you’re not blind to his weaknesses you’ll agree we need better then ?

Hanlons been part of a soft hibs side for years. He’s the one common theme in a soft defence. Yet all the Hanlon lovers on here tell us it’s not his fault, we’re lucky to have him etc.

Games and disappointments like yesterday will continue unless we get some leaders in the team. Paul Hanlon as captain ? Ridiculous

People are right to question him when Porteous form is poor. What’s he going to learn from Hanlon ? How to play a 50 yard diagonal pass to no one ?

I’ll take better in every single position. If we can get a better player, I’ll be happy. I think we’ll struggle to get a better centre half at our level than Paul Hanlon. Which is why he’ll still be playing week in week out for at least another couple of years.

Was the defence still soft when we kept clean sheets in 10 of our first 22 games this season? When 3 of the back 4 were involved in the national squads?

[NC1875]

He’s better than Porto tho yeh. We can agree on that surely.

Porteous will always get the benefit of the doubt from people as he’s a young laddie. He’s not been good, most people will admit that but neither has Hanlon.

But we’ve seen Ryan can be good and I don’t think playing alongside Hanlon is helping him at all.

Porteous has age on his side, Hanlon doesn’t and out of the two it’s him who needs replaced. If we can get 2 in even better

[Key West]

Being put next to Hanlon is going to ruin this laddie. What I would give for a time machine to put David Gray and Darren McGregor in!

Agree he has had no guidance in a specialised position, ironically Hanlon was let down in a similar manner being part of some hopeless defences over the years.

[NC1875]

Was the defence still soft when we kept clean sheets in 10 of our first 22 games this season? When 3 of the back 4 were involved in the national squads?

We were scoring goals and on the front foot, that suits us. As soon as we stopped scoring, teams get a bit belief , put pressure on us and the defence crumbles.

It’s not all Hanlons fault but he’s been a part of it for so long that surely it’s time to change. Stevenson was in the same boat and we’re trying to bring Doig/Mackie into the side as an improvement.

You can’t keep the same thing over and over again and expect different results.

[easty]

We were scoring goals and on the front foot, that suits us. As soon as we stopped scoring, teams get a bit belief , put pressure on us and the defence crumbles.

It’s not all Hanlons fault but he’s been a part of it for so long that surely it’s time to change. Stevenson was in the same boat and we’re trying to bring Doig/Mackie into the side as an improvement.

You can’t keep the same thing over and over again and expect different results.

I don’t expect different results, I expect us to get back to the form we’ve had defensively over the course of the majority of the season, not just the last few weeks.

[Since452]

I think Porteous has peaked as a player. Isn't learning.

[h1bs4life]

If you’re not blind to his weaknesses you’ll agree we need better then ?

Hanlons been part of a soft hibs side for years. He’s the one common theme in a soft defence. Yet all the Hanlon lovers on here tell us it’s not his fault, we’re lucky to have him etc.

Games and disappointments like yesterday will continue unless we get some leaders in the team. Paul Hanlon as captain ? Ridiculous

People are right to question him when Porteous form is poor. What’s he going to learn from Hanlon ? How to play a 50 yard diagonal pass to no one ?

Spot on , Porteous is still relatively young but will learn nothing from Hanlon.
Hanlon a role model ? Mostly rated by managers who have lost there job due to poor results even the ones who have not been sacked no interest in taking him with them and some on here.
From one of the most capped under 21 players to 1 cap for 20 minutes.
Another big game defeat to add to his long list , been part of teams that have had some of the worst defeats in our history 2012 , Malmö and instead of being punted a long time ago we make him captain.
If Porteous doesn't improve soon then bin him as well .
St Johnstone had 3 big no nonsense we need to find the same

[Alfred E Newman]

Another one who believes the hype surrounding him. Never an international in a million years, Hibs stalwart for the next 15 years as we continue to accept mediocrity

Absolute nonsense.

[Stokesy's on fire]

Absolute nonsense.


His post is spot on.

[Chuck Rhoades]

Absolute nonsense.

He’s pretty spot on actually.

[Tommy75]

Agree he has had no guidance in a specialised position, ironically Hanlon was let down in a similar manner being part of some hopeless defences over the years.

How do you know what guidance he has or hasn't had?

[Key West]

How do you know what guidance he has or hasn't had?

Ok, that is a fair point, I don't know what happens behind the scenes but as a supporter I am entitled to a viewpoint and it looks like he has fantastic potential but still needs that guidance on the pitch in order to improve his game management, I don't think Hanlon is that type of player and thus we do not have a commanding figure at centre back which we urgently require, especially when things are going against us.

[21.05.2016]

Completely misjudged it for the first goal. I like Ryan and think he will be a very good player but still a lot of developing to do.

[wookie70]

Porto was targeted as a weak link today. That's from a source in the Saints backroom team.

Barring completely losing the man he was marking for the first two goals he was fine last night. He is young and ambitious and still learning. He is also playing in very unusual times. I presume individual performance is analysed and Ryan needs to really look at his positioning for the two goals from set pieces. The second in particular he was stood in a really strange position as the free kick was taken. I'm presuming he just switched off but maybe he was a free man detailed to attack the ball much like Daz used to do. If that is the case then Ross needs to look at our set up for set pieces. If Ryan just had a nightmare at those set pieces then Ross and the coaching staff need to make him learn from it.
Imo Ryan still has a bright future and I think Hanlon and Daz are excellent mentors for him to learn from.

[BSEJVT]

We get it.

You love Paul Hanlon.

Your love for him has blinded you to his major weaknesses.

Hes not good enough for a team wanting to finish top 3 and win cups.

The guy didn't say he loved Paul Hanlon, Hanlon was poor last night as virtually everyone else was

But Hanlon is a bandwagon folk jump on whilst Porteous gets an easy ride.

Porteous was awful last night and has been pretty much since his last call up

The first 2 goals he got caught under the ball both times

He is regressing at a truly alarming rate

[h1bs4life]

The guy didn't say he loved Paul Hanlon, Hanlon was poor last night as virtually everyone else was

But Hanlon is a bandwagon folk jump on whilst Porteous gets an easy ride.

Porteous was awful last night and has been pretty much since his last call up

The first 2 goals he got caught under the ball both times

He is regressing at a truly alarming rate


Hanlon gets it tight because he has been the so called mainstay of our defence for years and is currently the so called leader of the team.
Porteous is younger which is why he gets a so called easier ride if his performances don't improve no doubt he will get the same criticism as Hanlon

[Wheat Hound]

The guy didn't say he loved Paul Hanlon, Hanlon was poor last night as virtually everyone else was

But Hanlon is a bandwagon folk jump on whilst Porteous gets an easy ride.

Porteous was awful last night and has been pretty much since his last call up

The first 2 goals he got caught under the ball both times

He is regressing at a truly alarming rate

Porteous does seem to be regressing.....as does Boyle and others. Poor coaching from Ross and Potter?

[EI255]

Porteous is crap. Bomb scare after bloody bomb scare. He gets away with it too. Never rated him.

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[Jones28]

Can anyone show me the evidence that playing with Hanlon has had a negative effect on him?

No, because it’s complete bull**** 😂

[h1bs4life]

It's not Hanlons fault that Porteous is poor.

No but the fact that Hanlon is poor and soft as s#### doesn't help him.
The only people that rate Hanlon are on here or managers that end up loosing there jobs

[BSEJVT]

Hanlon gets it tight because he has been the so called mainstay of our defence for years and is currently the so called leader of the team.
Porteous is younger which is why he gets a so called easier ride if his performances don't improve no doubt he will get the same criticism as Hanlon

Sorry I don't agree at all

It's just a cheap and easy hit to lump Hanlon in with criticism of Porteous and folk just jumping on a bandwagon rather than daring to criticise someone who for some is untouchable.

How come McGinn doesn't get the same grief, who is calling Hanlon the leader, the captaincy for him is a long service award because frankly I don't see one single leader in that team so who do you give it to?

Hanlon can be poor enough in his own right without taking on the grief for everyone else's shortcomings.

If you are in the team and you **** up you are there to be criticised, sure that criticism should be tempered by mitigating factors such as (relative) youth but extending that criticism smacks of adding to an existing antipathy towards the player involved.

As I said earlier Hanlon like all the others was poor yesterday but those first 2 goals were 100% Porteous and he should be bearing the criticism for them.

Only surprise is that Stevenson also hasn't been lumped in for criticism by some of the folk who don't rate him :-)

[easty]

The only people that rate Hanlon are on here or managers that end up loosing there jobs

Is that a fact?

[sleeping giant]

No but the fact that Hanlon is poor and soft as s#### doesn't help him.
The only people that rate Hanlon are on here or managers that end up loosing there jobs

Hibs for life :-)

[h1bs4life]

Sorry I don't agree at all

It's just a cheap and easy hit to lump Hanlon in with criticism of Porteous and folk just jumping on a bandwagon rather than daring to criticise someone who for some is untouchable.

How come McGinn doesn't get the same grief, who is calling Hanlon the leader, the captaincy for him is a long service award because frankly I don't see one single leader in that team so who do you give it to?

Hanlon can be poor enough in his own right without taking on the grief for everyone else's shortcomings.

If you are in the team and you **** up you are there to be criticised, sure that criticism should be tempered by mitigating factors such as (relative) youth but extending that criticism smacks of adding to an existing antipathy towards the player involved.

As I said earlier Hanlon like all the others was poor yesterday but those first 2 goals were 100% Porteous and he should be bearing the criticism for them.

Only surprise is that Stevenson also hasn't been lumped in for criticism by some of the folk who don't rate him :-)

Will ask again who else rates Hanlon out with people on here and managers that have lost there jobs?

[NC1875]

Sorry I don't agree at all

It's just a cheap and easy hit to lump Hanlon in with criticism of Porteous and folk just jumping on a bandwagon rather than daring to criticise someone who for some is untouchable.

How come McGinn doesn't get the same grief, who is calling Hanlon the leader, the captaincy for him is a long service award because frankly I don't see one single leader in that team so who do you give it to?

Hanlon can be poor enough in his own right without taking on the grief for everyone else's shortcomings.

If you are in the team and you **** up you are there to be criticised, sure that criticism should be tempered by mitigating factors such as (relative) youth but extending that criticism smacks of adding to an existing antipathy towards the player involved.

As I said earlier Hanlon like all the others was poor yesterday but those first 2 goals were 100% Porteous and he should be bearing the criticism for them.

Only surprise is that Stevenson also hasn't been lumped in for criticism by some of the folk who don't rate him :-)

2nd goal porteous fault ? It’s you blaming someone else for someone else’s shortcomings. Irony or what.

Please watch it again. Look at Hanlon, porteous starting positions and look who’s challenging for the ball when they score.

[Brightside]

Who are you replacing Hanlon and Porto with.

[NC1875]

Who are you replacing Hanlon and Porto with.

That’s not my job. We have people at the club paid to do that.

[h1bs4life]

Is that a fact?


Well who else rates him ?

[easty]

Will ask again who else rates Hanlon out with people on here and managers that have lost there jobs?

You could ask the same about most of our squad, most of most squads actually. Who rates anyone, who the **** knows that?

All managers tend to lose their jobs at some point. So, none of them matter? Their opinions are **** compared to yours?

The current Scotland manager rated him, as does Jack Ross, Alan Stubbs rated him. Lennon rated him. They’ve all lost jobs though...so you prob know better.

[hibbysam]

That’s not my job. We have people at the club paid to do that.

It’s also not your job to decide they’re not good enough and need replaced. As a fan with the opinion that they need replaced, surely you would then have an idea of who’s better than them to replace them?

[Stokesy's on fire]

Who are you replacing Hanlon and Porto with.

Jack and Victor

[Stokesy's on fire]

You could ask the same about most of our squad, most of most squads actually. Who rates anyone, who the **** knows that?

All managers tend to lose their jobs at some point. So, none of them matter? Their opinions are **** compared to yours?

The current Scotland manager rated him, as does Jack Ross, Alan Stubbs rated him. Lennon rated him. They’ve all lost jobs though...so you prob know better.

The passage of time has to be considered though.

[NC1875]

It’s also not your job to decide they’re not good enough and need replaced. As a fan with the opinion that they need replaced, surely you would then have an idea of who’s better than them to replace them?

Well you happily accept the next time we get to a semi final and get hammered off a st Johnstone, a Ross county or a Livingston.

It will keep happening until changes are made. But as usual, it won’t be Paul Hanlons fault. One common theme in hibs being soft for years is Mr Soft himself. Not hard to see

[hibbysam]

Well you happily accept the next time we get to a semi final and get hammered off a st Johnstone, a Ross county or a Livingston.

It will keep happening until changes are made. But as usual, it won’t be Paul Hanlons fault. One common theme in hibs being soft for years is Mr Soft himself. Not hard to see

Tell us who would be a better fit then? And not someone who’s conceded more goals and made far more mistakes than ‘mr soft’.

[BSEJVT]

Will ask again who else rates Hanlon out with people on here and managers that have lost there jobs?

Mmmn

Let's have a think

What about every manager that has ever picked him for Hibs, St Johnstone and all the Scotland age group and full squads he has been in and McInnes who wanted to take him to Aberdeen

v


Keyboard nonentities who aren't as well qualified, some of whom find a balanced examination of the facts and our and his position in the football food chain "difficult" but find it easy to jump on a bandwagon


Let me think for a moment which groups opinion carries more weight

[BSEJVT]

2nd goal porteous fault ? It’s you blaming someone else for someone else’s shortcomings. Irony or what.

Please watch it again. Look at Hanlon, porteous starting positions and look who’s challenging for the ball when they score.

100% Porteous's fault, the fact that Hanlon tried to get across to cover is conveniently being used as a stick to beat him with.

Look I have no great love for Paul Hanlon, but it is too easy to blame him for everything

If we want to play blame game then folk need to take their own share

[h1bs4life]

You could ask the same about most of our squad, most of most squads actually. Who rates anyone, who the **** knows that?

All managers tend to lose their jobs at some point. So, none of them matter? Their opinions are **** compared to yours?

The current Scotland manager rated him, as does Jack Ross, Alan Stubbs rated him. Lennon rated him. They’ve all lost jobs though...so you prob know better.

Hanlon was there when Ross , Stubbs and Lennon became Hibs manager
The last 2 had no interest in taking him with them when they moved on.
One Scotland manager has picked him for 20 mins yet still prefers the Motherwell centre half and Grant Hanley

[wookie70]

2nd goal porteous fault ? It’s you blaming someone else for someone else’s shortcomings. Irony or what.

Please watch it again. Look at Hanlon, porteous starting positions and look who’s challenging for the ball when they score.

Who is Porteous picking up. Hanlon has a man but Ryan is standing in no mans land with an unmarked Scorer just behind him. Jack has to ask the question if he is setting up the set pieces correctly but if it is man marking and it looked like it was then the scorer is Ryan's man. The only way he escapes the criticism is he is so far away from marking nobody realised it was probably his man. Hanlon is getting it tight for challenging for the ball while marking another man.

[Brightside]

Who is Porteous picking up. Hanlon has a man but Ryan is standing in no mans land with an unmarked Scorer just behind him. Jack has to ask the question if he is setting up the set pieces correctly but if it is man marking and it looked like it was then the scorer is Ryan's man. The only way he escapes the criticism is he is so far away from marking nobody realised it was probably his man. Hanlon is getting it tight for challenging for the ball while marking another man.

Porto starting position should be 6 ft back and he should be aware of the player behind. He’s not until it’s too late. Pretty much the same with the first one too.

[easty]

Hanlon was there when Ross , Stubbs and Lennon became Hibs manager
The last 2 had no interest in taking him with them when they moved on.
One Scotland manager has picked him for 20 mins yet still prefers the Motherwell centre half and Grant Hanley

How do you know Stubbs didn’t want Hanlon at Rotherham?

The fact that Lennon didn’t want him for Celtc doesn’t tell us much. Hanlon isn’t good enough for Celtc. Neither are basically all of our players.

Grant Hanley has moved for around £10m in transfers, and plays, and captains, the team who are top of the English Championship. You’ve just not got a clue clearly.

[h1bs4life]

How do you know Stubbs didn’t want Hanlon at Rotherham?

The fact that Lennon didn’t want him for Celtc doesn’t tell us much. Hanlon isn’t good enough for Celtc. Neither are basically all of our players.

Grant Hanley has moved for around £10m in transfers, and plays, and captains, the team who are top of the English Championship. You’ve just not got a clue clearly.


And you have a clue ? Hanlon has been part of some off the worst results in our history and the captain / leader of the team in another 2 shocking big game results this season but you still think he is brilliant and defend him to the hilt.
Can't always be everybody apart from Hanlon's fault .

[wookie70]

Porto starting position should be 6 ft back and he should be aware of the player behind. He’s not until it’s too late. Pretty much the same with the first one too.Is that the modern way to mark a man. No one is marking the scorer and goal side is marking as far as I know. Ryan's positioning is terrible

[easty]

And you have a clue ? Hanlon has been part of some off the worst results in our history and the captain / leader of the team in another 2 shocking big game results this season but you still think he is brilliant and defend him to the hilt.
Can't always be everybody apart from Hanlon's fault .

I’ve never said he’s brilliant. In fact, I said he wasn’t good enough for Celtc...so I’m pretty far away from saying he’s brilliant.

It’s not always someone else’s fault either, and I’ve said he was ***** yesterday, and had been poor recently.

Your points are erratic and nonsensical, and I don’t think you’ve got a clue.

[Stuart93]

Overrated.

Not as good as we think he is & not as good as he thinks he is

[Since452]

Overrated.

Not as good as we think he is & not as good as he thinks he is

Hard to disagree.

[Alfred E Newman]

Is that the modern way to mark a man. No one is marking the scorer and goal side is marking as far as I know. Ryan's positioning is terrible

Is this not why we have coaches?

[Lago]

Overrated.

Not as good as we think he is & not as good as he thinks he is
And not as bad as some are making out.

[easty]

Is this not why we have coaches?

Yep. Marking and positioning for set pieces should be drilled into the team by coaches.

[h1bs4life]

I’ve never said he’s brilliant. In fact, I said he wasn’t good enough for Celtc...so I’m pretty far away from saying he’s brilliant.

It’s not always someone else’s fault either, and I’ve said he was ***** yesterday, and had been poor recently.

Your points are erratic and nonsensical, and I don’t think you’ve got a clue.

Despite my points being erratic and nonsensical , you still try and answer them.
Not sure how that works.
Do you still think Hanlon should be mainstay and captain of our team or has he had his time and should move on ?

[hibbysam]

Despite my points being erratic and nonsensical , you still try and answer them.
Not sure how that works.
Do you still think Hanlon should be mainstay and captain of our team or has he had his time and should move on ?

It really isn’t that black and white. In the main Hanlon has been fine this season and at times extremely good. He’s had poor games and no one should be a guaranteed starter. It shouldn’t be either start every week and be captain or get out the club though.

[WeeRussell]

To save me reading a few pages... a lot of people now think Porteous is pish and it’s Paul Hanlon’s fault?

You’d think this was hibs.net shortly after a bad defeat in a big game or something.

[easty]

Despite my points being erratic and nonsensical , you still try and answer them.
Not sure how that works.
Do you still think Hanlon should be mainstay and captain of our team or has he had his time and should move on ?

Im not trying to be a dick...it’s prob not coming across that way though.

I do think he should still be playing every week. I don’t think whether he’s captain or not is really that important. I see the captain as the go between with management and squad. A senior player who is trusted by management and players. The captain should also speak to the ref. The whole “get the team going” thing I don’t really buy into. The players out there shouldn’t need anyone to motivate them, they’re professional footballers and they should be motivated as an absolute minimum requirement.

[Callum_62]

Does Ryan really think hes that good?

Whenever I've seen him interviewed he also comes across as a grounded, humble well rounded young player

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[Argylehibby]

I find it ridiculous Hanlon seems to be getting blamed for Porteous making mistakes. He’s cost us dearly in both semi finals due to individual mistakes. Of course Hanlon himself wasn’t brilliant for the second goal either but he can’t take the blame for Porteous ****ing up.

I agree the flack Hanlons getting because Porteous is making mistakes is ridiculous. Even in your post defending him you say he wasn't great at the 2nd goal yet he was left trying to out muscle 2 players because Porteous was missing again.

The call up to the Scotland squad seems to have affected Ryan in all the wrong ways. It's as if he's trying to develop into the player he thinks he needs to be to get in the Scotland team rather than to continue as he was doing to get the recognition in the 1st place. Maybe if he listened to his captain rather than the Scotland manager he'd get back to doing what he was doing pretty well.

[Brightside]

Is that the modern way to mark a man. No one is marking the scorer and goal side is marking as far as I know. Ryan's positioning is terrible

I’m agreeing.

[Argylehibby]

Porteous will always get the benefit of the doubt from people as he’s a young laddie. He’s not been good, most people will admit that but neither has Hanlon.

But we’ve seen Ryan can be good and I don’t think playing alongside Hanlon is helping him at all.

Porteous has age on his side, Hanlon doesn’t and out of the two it’s him who needs replaced. If we can get 2 in even better

But has it crossed your mind that playing beside Porteous who's making basic mistakes and being out of position constantly isn't helping Hanlon either?

[ancient hibee]

Does Ryan really think hes that good?

Whenever I've seen him interviewed he also comes across as a grounded, humble well rounded young player

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What on earth makes you think that posting something factual on here will ever catch on?

[MWHIBBIES]

Does Ryan really think hes that good?

Whenever I've seen him interviewed he also comes across as a grounded, humble well rounded young player

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Indeed. People think because he has a personality that he is arrogant. There is nothing, other than the many mindreaders on here, to suggest he thinks he is some kind of superstar.

[greenpaper55]

The measure of how good our players are is if any other clubs wants to buy them, not many beating the door down to get our defenders anytime soon !

[the tornadoe]

Indeed. People think because he has a personality that he is arrogant. There is nothing, other than the many mindreaders on here, to suggest he thinks he is some kind of superstar.

Take it from me , he will be hurting every bit as much as we all are at the moment. He made a couple of mistakes yesterday as did the seasoned professionals playing alongside him.. and the seasoned professionals in the dugout. There is no one in the squad who wants Hibs to win more than Ryan. FACT !

[BSEJVT]

Take it from me , he will be hurting every bit as much as we all are at the moment. He made a couple of mistakes yesterday as did the seasoned professionals playing alongside him.. and the seasoned professionals in the dugout. There is no one in the squad who wants Hibs to win more than Ryan. FACT !

I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that this is the case

[NC1875]

But has it crossed your mind that playing beside Porteous who's making basic mistakes and being out of position constantly isn't helping Hanlon either?

Ahh, so it’s always the other centre half that makes Hanlon look bad ?

There is a common theme in soft hibs teams for years and it certainly isn’t Ryan.

[easty]

Ahh, so it’s always the other centre half that makes Hanlon look bad ?

There is a common theme in soft hibs teams for years and it certainly isn’t Ryan.

That’s not what he said, you know that’s not what he said.

[Tully]

Maybe if hibs had addressed the problem we have had with lack of competition for the central defence we wouldn't be continually talking about this problem, but we seem to think signing loads of midfielders usually unfit or injured will fix the problem

[Pretty Boy]

Porteous has improved since he first broke into the side and we should remember he had a serious injury as well. There are definitely signs the rashness and hot headedness he showed early in his career has lessened.

However there was chat when he was 1st on the fringes of the 1st team that we had a future Scotland captain on our hands and one of the best young CBs in Europe. I'll accept the latter was probably slightly tongue in cheek but the former still gets an airing from time to time. I'm not sure his development is quick enough for him to have the career some expected tbh. As a comparison Christopher Berra was only a couple of years older than Porteous when he went down to Championship Wolves who were promoted to the Premier League in the 1st season. Berra has had a decent career but not a great one. 'Late developer' Andy Robertson was a year younger than Porteous when he went down to Hull City. Does Porteous look like he will be ready to play EPL football in the next year or 2 at his current rate of development?

I think we have a good CB in Porteous who is still prone to the odd bad mistake. He's not a baby though and is approaching 100 senior games now. He needs to take big strides forward in the next season and a bit if he is going to reach the levels some predicted and we all hope for for him.

[Max_Shah]

Porteous has improved since he first broke into the side and we should remember he had a serious injury as well. There are definitely signs the rashness and hot headedness he showed early in his career has lessened.

However there was chat when he was 1st on the fringes of the 1st team that we had a future Scotland captain on our hands and one of the best young CBs in Europe. I'll accept the latter was probably slightly tongue in cheek but the former still gets an airing from time to time. I'm not sure his development is quick enough for him to have the career some expected tbh. As a comparison Christopher Berra was only a couple of years older than Porteous when he went down to Championship Wolves who were promoted to the Premier League in the 1st season. Berra has had a decent career but not a great one. 'Late developer' Andy Robertson was a year younger than Porteous when he went down to Hull City. Does Porteous look like he will be ready to play EPL football in the next year or 2 at his current rate of development?

I think we have a good CB in Porteous who is still prone to the odd bad mistake. He's not a baby though and is approaching 100 senior games now. He needs to take big strides forward in the next season and a bit if he is going to reach the levels some predicted and we all hope for for him.

No.

And that is a damning indictment of our systematic failings in first-team coaching, sports science, in-game management, psychological support and in our system of player mentoring.

[MWHIBBIES]

Ahh, so it’s always the other centre half that makes Hanlon look bad ?

There is a common theme in soft hibs teams for years and it certainly isn’t Ryan.

There is also a common theme in top 4 finishing, European qualifying and cup final Hibs teams in the last 12 years. Its Paul Hanlon

[NC1875]

There is also a common theme in top 4 finishing, European qualifying and cup final Hibs teams in the last 12 years. Its Paul Hanlon

Conveniently leave out the relegation, terrible derby record and numerous other embarrassing defeats though. Apart from that......

[MWHIBBIES]

Conveniently leave out the relegation, terrible derby record and numerous other embarrassing defeats though. Apart from that......

What about the promotion, 9 derbies unbeaten, the many wonderful wins (4-0 vs huns, wins against Celtic, Aberdeen, European wins etc)

[hibbysam]

Conveniently leave out the relegation, terrible derby record and numerous other embarrassing defeats though. Apart from that......

Which proves its not always plain sailing, but only pointing out the negatives isn’t always the best way to put an argument over. Talking about relegation though, Hanlon missed pretty much that whole run in, it’s one thing you can’t blame him for.

[NC1875]

Yous think he’s great. I think we’d be a better team if he was replaced.

Pointless exercise going back and forward all day. Away to have some dinner, a nice glass of red and forget about Hibs for a few days.

It’s never easy being a hibby. We’ll agree on that 👍🏼

[Greenworld]

Yous think he’s great. I think we’d be a better team if he was replaced.

Pointless exercise going back and forward all day. Away to have some dinner, a nice glass of red and forget about Hibs for a few days.

It’s never easy being a hibby. We’ll agree on that [emoji1360]Its a conundrum and I'm not sure what the answer is .
I agree that a new centre back is required. Normally RP is a great header er of the ball but both he and PH were left wanting in defence.
PH has been a weakness in many Hampden games he cannot handle the big physical guys .
RP is actually a magnificent passer of the ball I sometimes wonder if he could be played along side Gogic give a real solid middle of the park.
Reality tells me he needs someone giving guidance beside him ..wheres Frank when you need him.

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[A Hi-Bee]

Still a raw young defender who if I am correct are a wee bit like goalkeepers and dont really mature into really good players until the get to around 28 or so, could be wrong but that is how I see it, he could do with Big Darren playing alongside for a wee while.

[Stokesy's on fire]

Still a raw young defender who if I am correct are a wee bit like goalkeepers and dont really mature into really good players until the get to around 28 or so, could be wrong but that is how I see it, he could do with Big Darren playing alongside for a wee while.



28....oocha thats a long way away

[EI255]

Well you happily accept the next time we get to a semi final and get hammered off a st Johnstone, a Ross county or a Livingston.

It will keep happening until changes are made. But as usual, it won’t be Paul Hanlons fault. One common theme in hibs being soft for years is Mr Soft himself. Not hard to see100% correct and spot on!

Why can we not source a big brut, with a bit of skill, from the likes Croatia or Bosnia etc? Build round that with a strong spine. Something Hibernian have lacked for a long long time.

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[Argylehibby]

Ahh, so it’s always the other centre half that makes Hanlon look bad ?

There is a common theme in soft hibs teams for years and it certainly isn’t Ryan.

Are you a politician by any chance? You take a question that you can't answer without admitting there might be a valid point to it that doesn't fit with your stance so you just twist it.

On Saturday Paul Hanson was not brilliant by any means but he was not at fault with any of the goals we conceded. He was not our worst defender by a long way. There are a number of posts on here defending Ryan due to his age and lack of experience but if he's making mistakes now then by default that's a fair amount of time that Paul has been covering for him. At start of the season they were playing well but ones form has dropped and the others having to do more to cover. Saturday night, Scottish cup semi, Aberdeen away very obvious examples where the cover didn't get him off the hook but that doesn't mean that cover is to blame.

I'm not having a pop at Ryan he is learning and hopefully kicks on again but throwing accusations that it's all Paul Hanlons fault is on a par with Donald Trumps election fraud rants.

[NC1875]

Are you a politician by any chance? You take a question that you can't answer without admitting there might be a valid point to it that doesn't fit with your stance so you just twist it.

On Saturday Paul Hanson was not brilliant by any means but he was not at fault with any of the goals we conceded. He was not our worst defender by a long way. There are a number of posts on here defending Ryan due to his age and lack of experience but if he's making mistakes now then by default that's a fair amount of time that Paul has been covering for him. At start of the season they were playing well but ones form has dropped and the others having to do more to cover. Saturday night, Scottish cup semi, Aberdeen away very obvious examples where the cover didn't get him off the hook but that doesn't mean that cover is to blame.

I'm not having a pop at Ryan he is learning and hopefully kicks on again but throwing accusations that it's all Paul Hanlons fault is on a par with Donald Trumps election fraud rants.

Never once said it was all Hanlons fault. I was replying in jest to another comment.

My point is, people complain we’re soft and they are sick of us losing big games and then come on here and defend Paul Hanlon. He’s been a part of it for too long now and needs replaced.

going by your view, it’s all Ryan’s fault ? And your comparing me to Trump ? 😂

[MWHIBBIES]

Never once said it was all Hanlons fault. I was replying in jest to another comment.

My point is, people complain we’re soft and they are sick of us losing big games and then come on here and defend Paul Hanlon. He’s been a part of it for too long now and needs replaced.

going by your view, it’s all Ryan’s fault ? And your comparing me to Trump ? 😂

Hes been part of what for too long? There has been much more positive than negative in the last 5 years and Paul has been a core memeber of that success.

[lucky]

Porteous is still young by CH ages. However is gets picked and has been at fault a few times this season. He was at fault for the crucial opening goal on Saturday. The fact that Hibs are soft in the centre needs addressed. Dropping Hanlon and playing McGregor gives you two right sided CH. it maybe time to rest Ryan and bring in back into the team like Josh.

[Brightside]

Porteous is still young by CH ages. However is gets picked and has been at fault a few times this season. He was at fault for the crucial opening goal on Saturday. The fact that Hibs are soft in the centre needs addressed. Dropping Hanlon and playing McGregor gives you two right sided CH. it maybe time to rest Ryan and bring in back into the team like Josh.

Daz is not the answer.

[CentreLine]

Daz is not the answer.

Sadly true. What we need is a younger fitter version of Daz. We need an experienced, physical, organiser in or around the back line. Someone who carries the respect of the players and takes no nonsense from the opposition

[ancient hibee]

I’ve always thought,perhaps naively,that a weak defence leads to an unacceptable number of goals in the against column but I see that in the league only two teams have a better record than us.Does this not mean the call to bring in new defenders particularly from clubs who have a worse,in some cases much worse,record than ours is slightly silly?

[hibbysam]

I’ve always thought,perhaps naively,that a weak defence leads to an unacceptable number of goals in the against column but I see that in the league only two teams have a better record than us.Does this not mean the call to bring in new defenders particularly from clubs who have a worse,in some cases much worse,record than ours is slightly silly?

100%, our problem is that in the few games we do concede we tend to capitulate. We’ve got a very good record yet conceded 2 goals in 7 of our games and 3 goals in 3 of our games, that’s 23 goals in those 10 games yet conceded 33 in a total of 32 games overall.

[WeeRussell]

Yous think he’s great. I think we’d be a better team if he was replaced.

Pointless exercise going back and forward all day. Away to have some dinner, a nice glass of red and forget about Hibs for a few days.

It’s never easy being a hibby. We’ll agree on that 👍🏼

I don’t think he’s great. I just don’t think it’s his fault when other individuals make mistakes.

[Smartie]

I’ve always thought,perhaps naively,that a weak defence leads to an unacceptable number of goals in the against column but I see that in the league only two teams have a better record than us.Does this not mean the call to bring in new defenders particularly from clubs who have a worse,in some cases much worse,record than ours is slightly silly?

Our good record will largely date back to the strong start the defence made to the season.

I’d be surprised if anyone in the league has been worse over the past month or so.

No idea what has gone wrong, what has changed. I’d take some convincing that the players simply aren’t good enough as they looked very much good enough for a couple of months.

[easty]

Our good record will largely date back to the strong start the defence made to the season.

I’d be surprised if anyone in the league has been worse over the past month or so.

No idea what has gone wrong, what has changed. I’d take some convincing that the players simply aren’t good enough as they looked very much good enough for a couple of months.

Last 6 league games, goals conceded-
Rangers - 2
Celtc, Livi - 4
Dundee Utd, St Mirren - 6
Hibs, Aberdeen, Killie, Hamilton - 7
St Johnstone - 8
Motherwell - 10
Ross County - 12

We played Rangers, Celtc and in form Livi in those 6 games as well,

[Smartie]

Last 6 league games, goals conceded-
Rangers - 2
Celtc, Livi - 4
Dundee Utd, St Mirren - 6
Hibs, Aberdeen, Killie, Hamilton - 7
St Johnstone - 8
Motherwell - 10
Ross County - 12

We played Rangers, Celtc and in form Livi in those 6 games as well,

OK.

Interesting though that of those worse than us in the list, 2 of them have beaten us 2-0 at home and 3-0 at Hampden recently.

And it does back up the inconsistency argument as even over those few games of poor form our maligned defence has had some decent enough performances in with the poor ones.

[EI255]

Apparently Millwall interested in him.

Please make this happen [emoji120]

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[Jones28]

Apparently Millwall interested in him.

Please make this happen [emoji120]

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Any need for that?

[Carheenlea]

It was always thought that Ryan Porteus was going to make Hibs a lot of money, and his path from development to first team to Scotland to big money move used as the model for producing players.

You can point at some of his weaknesses but he can, and will continue to develop and improve into a top quality, athletic central defender. It’s no surprise if clubs are thinking this might be a good time to make a move to buy him with his best years ahead of him.

[Hibernian Verse]

Any need for that?

Don't rise to it

[Andy74]

Apparently Millwall interested in him.

Please make this happen [emoji120]

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No idea why you’re still here.

[where'stheslope]

Some people on this forum need to think before they post!
Only 18 months ago it was Hanlon for Scotland, then touting Porteous for Scotland?
Then as soon as we have a few bad results they are to blame for everything!
Every fan wants their club to be winning cups and be up near the top of the league every year!
Of course we want the best results in every game, but, if your a Hibs supporter, you should be looking at realism rather than fantasy!!!

[Wakeyhibee]

I think our league position 4th has more to do with our defensive record than our attacking. Looking before Christmas I think we'd conceded 12 goals fewer than the previous one at the same time. That's a big difference in half a season.

No idea what's going wrong now as the players in those positions (and midfield) are the same ones that started the campaign. Is it the tactics/formations?

If we had a more potent attack that would also greatly relieve it. Losing the first goal or not scoring it will always alter the game plan.

[USAHibee]

Don't rise to it

God forbid Ryan plays a bad pass tomorrow night or even worse causes a goal. The micro scrutiny of our players errors\mistakes is beyond ridiculous sometimes. The guy Kerr was having a terrible time when he started out playing for st Johnstone but with experience he is becoming a good defender.
Ryans had a good season but like any young player (or anyone) learning his trade he will make daft mistakes or get out manovered by more seasoned pros which usually lead to a goal and then the usual abuse on here.

[MikeyS]

Apparently Millwall interested in him.

Please make this happen [emoji120]

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I dunno how you keep getting away with these comments. Thread after thread of trolling!

[Tyler Durden]

Porteous had a poor game at the weekend and arguably the same in the Hearts semi. But some of the criticism is way OTT.

Obviously the goals lost were poor on Saturday and in hindsight Doidge was a big miss at set pieces. But Porteous very rarely loses his man like that.

As for looking for fouls... aside from Frimpong, Porteous is the most fouled defender in the league. So he clearly is doing something right there. It’s the same stuff we all hated Pressley or Berra doing for Hearts but it’s good professional play.

He also has the 4th most interceptions in the league. And he plays and completes more passes on average this season than Paul Hanlon does.

So he very clearly is a great prospect and he’s having a good season. Like too many others, he didn’t bring that form into the 2 biggest games of the year and that’s something they all need to rectify.

[Unseen work]

Some rangers fans seem to think he’s out injured tomorrow as he needs treatment/surgery on his knee.

[Smartie]

Adam Jackson was looking really good before last season was ended. We’ve missed him badly imo.

Yep, he was really starting to look the part towards the end of last season and is a loss to us.

It was handy that he went as at the time it looked only right that Porteous should get a run. We might also have expected more from McGregor.

With hindsight though, he has been a loss, although we probably weren't saying that after the first couple of months of the season when the defence were doing fine.

[CentreLine]

Some rangers fans seem to think he’s out injured tomorrow as he needs treatment/surgery on his knee.

Would not surprise me. He took a real dull one on the right knee from one St Johnston clogger. Looked deliberate too.

[Callum_62]

Apparently Millwall interested in him.

Please make this happen [emoji120]

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[Hibs90]

Porteous is only 21 and has bags of time to improve and I think he will, but he needs the right man alongside him and whilst Hanlon can certainly help his development I think Porteous needs a Rob Jones type beside him.

[JOD]

Get Gallagher in from Motherwell play a back 3 with him in the centre and Porteous hanlon either side. Mcginn right back and rotate left back. Problem sorted.

[Unseen work]

Kevin Kyle having a go at him on Open Goal and saying how Porteous is a ‘s***e bag’, pretend Hard man, puts in late tackles to look the hard man but when it comes down to the gritty stuff he goes into hiding.

Porteous wouldn’t need much more motivation than that.

[KanyeWestLower]

Kevin Kyle having a go at him on Open Goal and saying how Porteous is a ‘s***e bag’, pretend Hard man, puts in late tackles to look the hard man but when it comes down to the gritty stuff he goes into hiding.

Porteous wouldn’t need much more motivation than that.

Perfect description of Porteous for me. Nearly every injury he’s had has been him putting in a stupid tackle.


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[Jones28]

Perfect description of Porteous for me. Nearly every injury he’s had has been him putting in a stupid tackle.


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Perfect description? Seriously?

He's also been part of a defence that has been very very good earlier this season.

[we are hibs]

Kevin Kyle having a go at him on Open Goal and saying how Porteous is a ‘s***e bag’, pretend Hard man, puts in late tackles to look the hard man but when it comes down to the gritty stuff he goes into hiding.

Porteous wouldn’t need much more motivation than that.


Kevin kyle is a fat twat. I have no idea why hes on that podcast because he adds no insight and is boring as ****. Usually skip through his ramblings.

[#2 Double Tap]

Kevin kyle is a fat twat. I have no idea why hes on that podcast because he adds no insight and is boring as ****. Usually skip through his ramblings.

Lots of folk seem to be trying hard to dent portos confidence, the comments from charlie adam the other night were way over the top.......almost looks like many are harbouring some kinda jealousy towards him.........

I hope Porto ignores the background noise and keeps that aura of confidence, it's one of his biggest assets!

[Carheenlea]

Kevin Kyle :lolyam:

[Hibs90]

Kevin Kyle is a moron.

:rotflmao:

[Kaff]

Get Gallagher in from Motherwell play a back 3 with him in the centre and Porteous hanlon either side. Mcginn right back and rotate left back. Problem sorted.

Agree with this, instead of an extra midfielder this is the position we should add quality to, and Gallagher is quality, with 3 seasons at the top in him at least.
I thought Porteous did well breaking into the team having Efe to play alongside, again I'm not knocking Hanlon but they both need to be led by an experienced head, possibly even a vocal keeper would help?

[Billy Whizz]

Kevin Kyle is a moron.

:rotflmao:

Jilted John

[Carheenlea]

This really tells you all you need to know about Kevin Kyle - for a man to speak about a fellow professional footballer on a media platform like that is actually disgraceful.

I think Hibs should be publicly pulling him up for this.

[HFC93]

Lots of folk seem to be trying hard to dent portos confidence, the comments from charlie adam the other night were way over the top.......almost looks like many are harbouring some kinda jealousy towards him.........

I hope Porto ignores the background noise and keeps that aura of confidence, it's one of his biggest assets!

Both of them are morons and Rangers mouthpieces.

[killie-hibby]

Lots of folk seem to be trying hard to dent portos confidence, the comments from charlie adam the other night were way over the top.......almost looks like many are harbouring some kinda jealousy towards him.........

I hope Porto ignores the background noise and keeps that aura of confidence, it's one of his biggest assets!


I think they are trying to defend The The Rangers unsporting stupidity when earlier this season their players and manager refused the offer of a handshake from Porteous.

[Smartie]

I think they’re right, and he’d be a better player if he screwed the nut a bit.

He needs to do a bit of what they’re saying if he’s to avoid going from a decent player who has potential to be a cracking player to a decent player who had potential to be a cracking player.

Have the majority of us not been saying similar over the past few days?

[Gypsy King]

Ryan has all the attributes to be a top centre half. What he needs at this stage of his career is guidance and leadership from a top centre half to add the finishing touches and consistency to his game. He will not get that from Hanlon. Might be best for the lad to go and try find that elsewhere as I don't see Hibs replacing Hanlon anytime soon, which is a shame. One thing I really noticed was the communication from the saints team at the weekend. You could hear their big players screaming instructions and motivating. Hanlon is a dormouse, not captain material.

[500miles]

I think they’re right, and he’d be a better player if he screwed the nut a bit.

He needs to do a bit of what they’re saying if he’s to avoid going from a decent player who has potential to be a cracking player to a decent player who had potential to be a cracking player.

Have the majority of us not been saying similar over the past few days?

Porto is doing what Scott Brown has made a career out of. If he was at Rangers or Celtic, they'd be creaming about it.

We've got far too many passive characters in the team as it is.

[KanyeWestLower]

Perfect description? Seriously?

He's also been part of a defence that has been very very good earlier this season.

Yeah serious. You haven’t really addressed my point and just pointed out something else instead.


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[Jones28]

Yeah serious. You haven’t really addressed my point and just pointed out something else instead.


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Because from my recollection he's had 2 spells out, the most recent of which was January last year which was an aggravation of a previous injury.

You haven't addressed my point, you've just gone back to your point which doesn't hold much water if the last year is anything to go by.

[KanyeWestLower]

Go watch the clip of the knock he took on the knee from Saturday. He brought that on himself. You are correct Porteous was part of defence which didn’t concede a lot of goals at the start of the season. Which included clean sheets against Motherwell, st Johnstone, st mirren & Ross county.


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[hibbysam]

Go watch the clip of the knock he took on the knee from Saturday. He brought that on himself. You are correct Porteous was part of defence which didn’t concede a lot of goals at the start of the season. Which included clean sheets against Motherwell, st Johnstone, st mirren & Ross county.


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Brought Saturdays knock on himself? He skinned the boy with quick feet and got clattered 😂 Your first post also says through his rash tackles, he had the ball on Saturday, he never made a tackle.

[Baader]

Kevin Kyle probably struggles to spell his own name. Shouldn't be taken seriously.

[Hiber-nation]

He really has to stop throwing himself to the deck even though the refs keep letting him get away with it. It's not being professional, it's just embarrassing.

[BSEJVT]

Would not surprise me. He took a real dull one on the right knee from one St Johnston clogger. Looked deliberate too.

I thought so too

I also said earlier in this thread that I thought it hampered him throughout the game as it wasn't a vintage Porteous performance by any means.

Having said all of that and having been critical of him earlier I am still very glad he is one of our players and we can all have of our off days.

I am not convinced he is going to reach the heights I initially hoped but he is still one of the better centre half's in the league on his day with years to develop

[blackpoolhibs]

He really has to stop throwing himself to the deck even though the refs keep letting him get away with it. It's not being professional, it's just embarrassing.

:agree: Recently some refs have not been giving fouls, and it has left us defending the ball in a few dangerous areas.

I think if he keeps improving like he has, he will be a fantastic player for club and country. He does need to cut out the odd mistake, but he's young and hopefully he will learn with experience.

[BILLYHIBS]

I thought so too

I also said earlier in this thread that I thought it hampered him throughout the game as it wasn't a vintage Porteous performance by any means.

Having said all of that and having been critical of him earlier I am still very glad he is one of our players and we can all have of our off days.

I am not convinced he is going to reach the heights I initially hoped but he is still one of the better centre half's in the league on his day with years to develop
Did Hearts not do the exact same thing and get one of their paid assassins to nobble Porto early doors in the semi-final?

[Jones28]

Go watch the clip of the knock he took on the knee from Saturday. He brought that on himself. You are correct Porteous was part of defence which didn’t concede a lot of goals at the start of the season. Which included clean sheets against Motherwell, st Johnstone, st mirren & Ross county.


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I didnt realise what knock you were referring to until hibeesam mentioned it, and that is frankly a ridiculous thing to throw at him.

[KanyeWestLower]

I didnt realise what knock you were referring to until hibeesam mentioned it, and that is frankly a ridiculous thing to throw at him.

Whatever man, no talking to folk like you eh.


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[Jones28]

Whatever man, no talking to folk like you eh.


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:faf:

People that take your arguments apart you mean? Ok mate, have a good one :aok:

[04Sauzee]

Brought Saturdays knock on himself? He skinned the boy with quick feet and got clattered 😂 Your first post also says through his rash tackles, he had the ball on Saturday, he never made a tackle.

Exactly 👍 some of the comments on here are embarrassing. Not even a red kneck 😅

[hhibs]

I thought so too

I also said earlier in this thread that I thought it hampered him throughout the game as it wasn't a vintage Porteous performance by any means.

Having said all of that and having been critical of him earlier I am still very glad he is one of our players and we can all have of our off days.

I am not convinced he is going to reach the heights I initially hoped but he is still one of the better centre half's in the league on his day with years to develop




It was clearly deliberate, a premeditated attempt to take him out and ,not for just the game ,watch the replays for those of who you don't agree. Targeted his old injury area.

[Carheenlea]

Go watch the clip of the knock he took on the knee from Saturday. He brought that on himself. You are correct Porteous was part of defence which didn’t concede a lot of goals at the start of the season. Which included clean sheets against Motherwell, st Johnstone, st mirren & Ross county.


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Got himself into a position to play a pass and start a counter from midfield before being clattered - was a blatant foul that should have been a yellow card.

[Itsnoteasy]

Porteous sleeping. Left Stampy to drift of him to score. He had the chance to empty him out on the sideline b4 goal 🙄

[NOLA]

He needs a rest


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[Stanton Spence]

I don't know what's happening with him this season but he's went way way down in my estimation and without doubt Ross dropped the wrong centre half. Porteous has looked a liability for a long long time
How many times has he tried to be cute only for it to end up a mess and then Ryan punching the ground looking to buy a foul

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[Jones28]

He will drop out against Dundee United imo.

[Stanton Spence]

He needs a rest


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[hibee_girl]

Kris Boyd clearly been reading this thread

[KanyeWestLower]

:faf:

People that take your arguments apart you mean? Ok mate, have a good one :aok:

Hiya pal, don’t apologise man it must be tough.


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[Pretty Boy]

An error for the goal tonight but nowhere near as bad as is being made out.

I think he will drop out on Saturday though. McGregor slotted in well and I don't think a couple of games out of the firing line will do Porteous any harm.

[hibee_girl]

An error for the goal tonight but nowhere near as bad as is being made out.

I think he will drop out on Saturday though. McGregor slotted in well and I don't think a couple of games out of the firing line will do Porteous any harm.

:agree:

He's had two bad knocks to the knee in the last two games and looked to have picked up an injury before he came off tonight so a couple of games on the bench won't do him any harm.

[Jones28]

Hiya pal, don’t apologise man it must be tough.


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I thought you didn’t speak to people like me? It must give you a nice fuzzy feeling inside tonight.

[CathroMustStay]

An error for the goal tonight but nowhere near as bad as is being made out.

I think he will drop out on Saturday though. McGregor slotted in well and I don't think a couple of games out of the firing line will do Porteous any harm.

Stop treating Porteous with kid gloves.

He's miles away from being a top class centre back, in even our ****ty backwater of a football landscape.

[easty]

Stop treating Porteous with kid gloves.

He's miles away from being a top class centre back, in even our ****ty backwater of a football landscape.

He didn’t say he was a top class centre back. He said he’s been nowhere near as bad as some are making out.

I agree.

[Danderhall Hibs]

:agree:

He's had two bad knocks to the knee in the last two games and looked to have picked up an injury before he came off tonight so a couple of games on the bench won't do him any harm.

Making excuses for him I think. He’s not that young now, looks like he’s believed the hype. He needs to kick on otherwise he’ll not realise the potential he has/had.

If we had a bigger squad I’d be calling for him to get a rest. He needs McGregor to give him more mentoring - all that smiling at the camera stuff isn’t going to cut it.

[Heisenberg]

An error for the goal tonight but nowhere near as bad as is being made out.

I think he will drop out on Saturday though. McGregor slotted in well and I don't think a couple of games out of the firing line will do Porteous any harm.

His mistake cost us the game (if we forget about Clancy for a second), it’s a peril of the position he plays but he’s got to cut them out. Did it at the weekend, did it in the semi vs Hearts too. It was absolutely basic stuff as well.

[hibbysam]

An error for the goal tonight but nowhere near as bad as is being made out.

I think he will drop out on Saturday though. McGregor slotted in well and I don't think a couple of games out of the firing line will do Porteous any harm.

Can tell he wasn’t comfortable at left centre back, done it twice trying to follow a runner that was being tracked instead of going with the danger. Done it with the goal and again when Morelos went through a while after.

[EI255]

Kris Boyd fairly ripped Porteous to bits at the end.

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[Onion]

Stop treating Porteous with kid gloves.

He's miles away from being a top class centre back, in even our ****ty backwater of a football landscape.

He has all the attributes to be a top defender, but sadly doesn't not look like he'll learn that at Easter Road. At the moment, don't think he is what we need at centre back. Would prefer a less talented, more dependable, mature player in our back line. IMO, RP needs to be sold for his and our sake.

[Pretty Boy]

His mistake cost us the game (if we forget about Clancy for a second), it’s a peril of the position he plays but he’s got to cut them out. Did it at the weekend, did it in the semi vs Hearts too. It was absolutely basic stuff as well.

I'm not disputing it was a poor error and I wrote a post that can't be desrcibed as anything other than critical of him earlier in this thread. That error led to his entire performance being savaged though which was OTT.

On a more general note I think the entire defence along with the goalkeeper are under enormous pressure at the moment. We are struggling to put the ball in the net so every single mistake is potentially game costing. On Saturday Murphy was every bit as much to blame as Hanlon and Porteous for our defeat and tonight Irvine and Doidge both should have done far, far better when presented with opportunities. Attacking players don't get singled out for the 'cost us the game' line as easily though.

[3pm]

I'm not disputing it was a poor error and I wrote a post that can't be desrcibed as anything other than critical of him earlier in this thread. That error led to his entire performance being savaged though which was OTT.

On a more general note I think the entire defence along with the goalkeeper are under enormous pressure at the moment. We are struggling to put the ball in the net so every single mistake is potentially game costing. On Saturday Murphy was every bit as much to blame as Hanlon and Porteous for our defeat and tonight Irvine and Doidge both should have done far, far better when presented with opportunities. Attacking players don't get singled out for the 'cost us the game' line as easily though.

I think the bigger problem is our quality on the ball. Our use of the ball is abysmal.

Can't use it to create and give it away and put the defence under pressure.

[hibsboy69]

An error for the goal tonight but nowhere near as bad as is being made out.

I think he will drop out on Saturday though. McGregor slotted in well and I don't think a couple of games out of the firing line will do Porteous any harm.

Sorry mate, but I have to challenge you on this. Anyone who has ever played football (at any level) would recognise that his "defending" for the goal wasn't even of a schoolboy standard.....it was absolutely criminal.

He inexplicably doesn't follow his man (lazy). Not only that, he's 2 yards deeper than everyone else and plays him onside ! :confused:

He is a liability and has been for some time now.

I feel sorry for the manager and the rest of the players tonight (and us fans) as it's impossible to legislate for defending like that.

[hibsboy69]

Kris Boyd fairly ripped Porteous to bits at the end.

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And rightly so - inexcusable defending.

[gaz1875]

I think the bigger problem is our quality on the ball. Our use of the ball is abysmal.

Can't use it to create and give it away and put the defence under pressure.


You're not wrong there, the final ball is atrocious. We continually lose good attacking opportunities with poor passing and how many times are they going to do the train at corners, it doesn't work.

[The Tubs]

He definitely needs a break. I think that’s all there is to say about it. He’s still only 21.

[calumhibee1]

Sorry mate, but I have to challenge you on this. Anyone who has ever played football (at any level) would recognise that his "defending" for the goal wasn't even of a schoolboy standard.....it was absolutely criminal.

He inexplicably doesn't follow his man (lazy). Not only that, he's 2 yards deeper than everyone else and plays him onside ! :confused:

He is a liability and has been for some time now.

I feel sorry for the manager and the rest of the players tonight (and us fans) as it's impossible to legislate for defending like that.

Yup. He was particularly poor tonight imo in what was a better team performance.

He needs to really start kicking on. He’s 22 soon and if I’m being honest I don’t think he’s as good as Hanlon was at that age. It’s a far cry from future Scotland captain as he was being touted a couple of years ago.

[hibsboy69]

Yup. He was particularly poor tonight imo in what was a better team performance.

He needs to really start kicking on. He’s 22 soon and if I’m being honest I don’t think he’s as good as Hanlon was at that age. It’s a far cry from future Scotland captain as he was being touted a couple of years ago.

The bit in bold - spot on :agree:

[Shrekko]

Kris Boyd fairly ripped Porteous to bits at the end.

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You’ve got to remember that everything Boyd says is to please his particular audience - and Rangers fans really dislike Porteous.

It’s true he’s had some difficult moments and another one tonight but he has far more positives than negatives.

[Lancs Harp]

I've not always been Porto's biggest fan here, mains rash, he decision making too often questionable and as he did tonight switches off. Having said that I actually thought he played well in the first half tonight and played his part in a solid defensive unit. No excuses for the goal though clearly just fell asleep and that happens too often with him.

[gaz1875]

I've not always been Porto's biggest fan here, mains rash, he decision making too often questionable and as he did tonight switches off. Having said that I actually thought he played well in the first half tonight and played his part in a solid defensive unit. No excuses for the goal though clearly just fell asleep and that happens too often with him.

In the first half Hallberg (I think) played in Aribo and if you watch Porteous he was trotting back and DM was bursting a gut to get back to stop him.

[The Captain....]

I think Porteous is over rated by some. He's plateaud in his development imo..I would be tempted to sell now if a decent offer came in. The way he tackles id be concerned he'd do further damage to his troublesome knee.

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[MWHIBBIES]

I think Porteous is over rated by some. He's plateaud in his development imo..I would be tempted to sell now if a decent offer came in. The way he tackles id be concerned he'd do further damage to his troublesome knee.

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He doesn't have a troublesome knee, he's been fit all season. He is also clearly a better player than he was 12 months ago

[scoopyboy]

I think Porteous is over rated by some. He's plateaud in his development imo..I would be tempted to sell now if a decent offer came in. The way he tackles id be concerned he'd do further damage to his troublesome knee.

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Possibly over rated by some, but I see a player still developing who has the ability to develop into a helluva big asset.

Despite injuries he has played a lot of first team games for a 21 year old, not very common in a centre half.

I think it is the potential that most people are seeing.

[blackpoolhibs]

Possibly over rated by some, but I see a player still developing who has the ability to develop into a helluva big asset.

Despite injuries he has played a lot of first team games for a 21 year old, not very common in a centre half.

I think it is the potential that most people are seeing.
:agree:

[flash]

Starting to see some real negativity towards one of our exciting young players these days.
He is still learning but your eyes would need to be painted on not to see his immense potential.

[Tyler Durden]

In the first half Hallberg (I think) played in Aribo and if you watch Porteous he was trotting back and DM was bursting a gut to get back to stop him.

Porteous moved forward to make an angle for Hallberg so he’s going in the opposite direction as the ball is played. Absolutely bizarre to criticise him for this but seems to be in keeping with the rush to slate him on here.

[BSEJVT]

Their goal wasn't great play for Porteous but what needs to be remembered was he was playing Left Centre Half, not really his position and had acquired himself very well until that point.

The skill involved in that move from a Rangers perspective being unlikely to be replicated by any other team in the league except Celtic.

Most goals lost can be viewed as preventable in one way or another, but as others have posted in adds to the current narrative around Porteous from some whom all they can do is criticise Hibs players.

I felt he was at fault for the first 2 goals on Saturday and also feel that his form has shaded but it cant be easy playing in a team that he's 3 or 4 changes a week whilst we try to find our best team.

Also no-one has said it yet but we are missing Newall massively

[calumhibee1]

Their goal wasn't great play for Porteous but what needs to be remembered was he was playing Left Centre Half, not really his position and had acquired himself very well until that point.

The skill involved in that move from a Rangers perspective being unlikely to be replicated by any other team in the league except Celtic.

Most goals lost can be viewed as preventable in one way or another, but as others have posted in adds to the current narrative around Porteous from some whom all they can do is criticise Hibs players.

I felt he was at fault for the first 2 goals on Saturday and also feel that his form has shaded but it cant be easy playing in a team that he's 3 or 4 changes a week whilst we try to find our best team.

Also no-one has said it yet but we are missing Newall massively

Although I rate Newell I’ve been surprised how much we’ve missed him.

Even more influential than I thought.

[Keith_M]

Porteous did made a mistake for their goal, but how come he's the only one being criticised?

The Rangers player that put the through ball to Morelos was surrounded by three Hibs players at one point, who all inexplicably failed to tackle and then basically just moved away to give him the space to put in a pass.

This isn't meant as an excuse for Porteous mistake but I think the blame for the goal isn't all on him.

[Keith_M]

Although I rate Newell I’ve been surprised how much we’ve missed him.

Even more influential than I thought.


:agree:

It seems we rely on him a lot more than we realised.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Starting to see some real negativity towards one of our exciting young players these days.
He is still learning but your eyes would need to be painted on not to see his immense potential.

The danger is he believes the hype and doesn’t fulfil the obvious potential. All the smirking for the cameras benefit and that has to go focus on defending and limiting/eradicating mistakes.

[Ozyhibby]

The danger is he believes the hype and doesn’t fulfil the obvious potential. All the smirking for the cameras benefit and that has to go focus on defending and limiting/eradicating mistakes.

The mistakes are becoming a regular occurrence now. I’m not sure he is capable of stepping up to the level required.


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[flash]

The danger is he believes the hype and doesn’t fulfil the obvious potential. All the smirking for the cameras benefit and that has to go focus on defending and limiting/eradicating mistakes.

Totally agree. The potential is massive but football is littered with unfulfilled potential.

[Unseen work]

Their goal wasn't great play for Porteous but what needs to be remembered was he was playing Left Centre Half, not really his position and had acquired himself very well until that point.

The skill involved in that move from a Rangers perspective being unlikely to be replicated by any other team in the league except Celtic.

Most goals lost can be viewed as preventable in one way or another, but as others have posted in adds to the current narrative around Porteous from some whom all they can do is criticise Hibs players.

I felt he was at fault for the first 2 goals on Saturday and also feel that his form has shaded but it cant be easy playing in a team that he's 3 or 4 changes a week whilst we try to find our best team.

Also no-one has said it yet but we are missing Newall massively

I thought of that rationale at the time for Porteous’ defending for the goal but for me it’s still shocking.

He never followed his man, it’s basic basic defending no matter where you are on the pitch. Especially when it’s the striker running off you and into the 18 yard box, it’s really poor.

Playing 10 yards to the left of where he normally plays doesn’t excuse him from marking his man.

[Heckys Wheel]

The danger is he believes the hype and doesn’t fulfil the obvious potential. All the smirking for the cameras benefit and that has to go focus on defending and limiting/eradicating mistakes.

He’s been involved in an ongoing ding dong with Morelos for at least two seasons now. It’s all fun and games when he’s standing over him laughing but he lost his concentration last night. Switched off, didn’t follow his runner and didn’t step out.

He’s still a good prospect, you wouldn’t want to knock the cockiness out of him but we have on our books, not only an experienced squad of defenders, but in Gray, McGregor, McGinn, Hanlon, Stevenson, probably the most down to earth football players you’re ever likely to meet. Maybe time for a proper sit down and some harsh words?

[wookie70]

He has made more than his fair share of goal costing mistakes lately. Last night was very poor defending not helped by the manager basically telling him he did better than Hanlon in the semi despite costing us two goals and then playing him at left centre back making a player who is struggling have an even tougher task. Despite the mistakes there are still clear signs Ryan continues to improve, he looks stronger every season and in general his positioning and temperament are much improved. He does see to have a few moments each game and he was lucky with a few step overs last night. However, I still think he will be a very good player given how young he is in a position where players are generally at their best in their late 20s and even early 30s, Ross has to shoulder some of the blame for last night's error

[The Captain....]

Possibly over rated by some, but I see a player still developing who has the ability to develop into a helluva big asset.

Despite injuries he has played a lot of first team games for a 21 year old, not very common in a centre half.

I think it is the potential that most people are seeing.I think that's a fair assessment..I was very excited by his potential when he first came on the scene. Been a dip in form of late..possibly the same things a lot of young players go through.

I'm not slating him I just have doubts he'll turn out to be as good as I first thought.

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[Danderhall Hibs]

He’s been involved in an ongoing ding dong with Morelos for at least two seasons now. It’s all fun and games when he’s standing over him laughing but he lost his concentration last night. Switched off, didn’t follow his runner and didn’t step out.

He’s still a good prospect, you wouldn’t want to knock the cockiness out of him but we have on our books, not only an experienced squad of defenders, but in Gray, McGregor, McGinn, Hanlon, Stevenson, probably the most down to earth football players you’re ever likely to meet. Maybe time for a proper sit down and some harsh words?

Totally agree - said to my mates last night that he needs some mentoring from McGregor (if that’s part of his role now). 100% needs a solid boot up the arse.

[we are hibs]

Although I rate Newell I’ve been surprised how much we’ve missed him.

Even more influential than I thought.

Hes one of the only players we have in midfield willing to take the ball in deep areas and believes in himself enough to get out of tight situations. We really lack someone in midfield (and have done since McGeouch) taking the ball from the defence, starting moves off and dictating the game. I think hes capable of it.

[bigwheel]

Hes one of the only players we have in midfield willing to take the ball in deep areas and believes in himself enough to get out of tight situations. We really lack someone in midfield (and have done since McGeouch) taking the ball from the defence, starting moves off and dictating the game. I think hes capable of it.

agree...I'd go further. When he plays he sets the whole tone and tempo of our play. When he is on it , we are a different team, much more fluid and threatening.

[TheHibernator]

I rate Porto and the criticism he got from some on here in the days leading up to this game was way over the top but the defending for their goal was pretty appaling, just forgets about Morelos and allows him to wander into the box and score, completely oblivious to their main man 5 yards away. It is the most basic of basics. He needs dropped for a while play Daz and Hanlon or bring someone else in.

Don't agree we should sell him though, believe he has a lot of potential and despite how some may gauge it, is still very young and will be worth more in a few years time than if we sold now/in the Summer.

He needs to cut the nonsense out and just focus on doing his job. Get the head down and he'll be fine.

[Mr. Wonderful]

Porteous did made a mistake for their goal, but how come he's the only one being criticised?

The Rangers player that put the through ball to Morelos was surrounded by three Hibs players at one point, who all inexplicably failed to tackle and then basically just moved away to give him the space to put in a pass.

This isn't meant as an excuse for Porteous mistake but I think the blame for the goal isn't all on him.

Midfield hard man Gogic first got dragged out of position as he was covering for Porto, then he got played around way too easily.

[JimBHibees]

He will drop out against Dundee United imo.

Assume longer looked like he was feeling his hamstring. Thought he was slack at the goal however think others may have covered also. Think he has progressed this season and will only get better over time if lessons are learnt.

[Greenworld]

Assume longer looked like he was feeling his hamstring. Thought he was slack at the goal however think others may have covered also. Think he has progressed this season and will only get better over time if lessons are learnt.Your bang on the money the gap between our midfield and back line was to big on occasion I don't blame him at the goal . He had a good game almost playing left back at times not much got past him .
I would love to see him in midfield his passing range is fantastic and he would give some bite in there ...matty Jack style


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[JimBHibees]

You’ve got to remember that everything Boyd says is to please his particular audience - and Rangers fans really dislike Porteous.

It’s true he’s had some difficult moments and another one tonight but he has far more positives than negatives.

Totally agree Boyd can get tae.

[EVENTUALLY]

Porteous did made a mistake for their goal, but how come he's the only one being criticised?

The Rangers player that put the through ball to Morelos was surrounded by three Hibs players at one point, who all inexplicably failed to tackle and then basically just moved away to give him the space to put in a pass.

This isn't meant as an excuse for Porteous mistake but I think the blame for the goal isn't all on him.

Especially Hallberg. Diabolical lack of ability or willingness to tackle. In fact he is worse than Tom James and that is saying something.

[jacomo]

He doesn't have a troublesome knee, he's been fit all season. He is also clearly a better player than he was 12 months ago


Agree with that.

The idea that Porto has somehow stalled in his development is bizarre, given his age and clear improvement from last season.

If he keeps improving at this rate he could be Scotland’s best centre back by the time he’s 25.

[gaz1875]

Porteous moved forward to make an angle for Hallberg so he’s going in the opposite direction as the ball is played. Absolutely bizarre to criticise him for this but seems to be in keeping with the rush to slate him on here.

What you on about? I was making a point in his lack of desire to get back, I never said he was at fault with the poor pass by Hallberg. He doesn't read the game, the Morelos goal was a prime example.

[Tyler Durden]

What you on about? I was making a point in his lack of desire to get back, I never said he was at fault with the poor pass by Hallberg. He doesn't read the game, the Morelos goal was a prime example.

You quoted someone to agree that Porteous switches off too often. The example you’ve made doesn’t back that up - he was miles away from Aribo and the ball and would never get back. McGregor was closer and showed more desire cos it was in his area down the centre.

If Porteous doesn’t read the game, how come he’s in the top 5 in the league for interceptions?

[NOLA]

He plays better when he has Darren in his ear, shame it’s on his wrong side

[NOLA]

You quoted someone to agree that Porteous switches off too often. The example you’ve made doesn’t back that up - he was miles away from Aribo and the ball and would never get back. McGregor was closer and showed more desire cos it was in his area down the centre.

If Porteous doesn’t read the game, how come he’s in the top 5 in the league for interceptions?

He’s not up against much in this league so to be top 5 in interceptions is something at least, he’s still learning his trade, Centre half’s don’t mature as players till late 20,s dirty thirties

[MWHIBBIES]

He plays better when he has Darren in his ear, shame it’s on his wrong side
It's 1 match. Overall his best runs have been next to hanlon and ambrose.

[JimBHibees]

Starting to see some real negativity towards one of our exciting young players these days.
He is still learning but your eyes would need to be painted on not to see his immense potential.

Couldn't agree more. Huge potential and will only get better.

[JimBHibees]

Would be interesting if the alleged Millwall interest in Ryan came before the semi final. Could be Davidsons mate doing him a favour by trying to unsettle him.

[Kaff]

I like Ryan and the way he is developing his game so he fakes a challenge in the air to get the dropping ball behind a defender and have easy possession, it's high level play but in the learning process he will make mistakes which will look soft.
Getting caught under the ball a few times might be a sign he's got out of the habit of simply attacking a flighted ball and he's mis timed them? I don't know but with the nastiness of the media analysis of him I'd be tempted to get out of Scotland and take a decent Championship clubs offer, he has ambition and I'd be worried they'll get everyone on his back and the simplest error will be jumped on, there's an agenda out there and you can see some of our own fans will start to be caught up in it
Hate to say it but a good offer for the club and player with sell on % and I think be a good deal for both parties.
Get Gallagher in from Well and next generation prepared behind him and Hanlon.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

Feel for Porto. Painted by opposition fans as an animal. Early season people questioning why he wasn't starting for Scotland and now written off by a fair few of our own fans

Best of luck to the lad if he decides to head down south

[Since452]

I don't think he's improving. In fact I think he's regressed. He's the weak link in our defence.

[Coco Bryce]

Would be interesting if the alleged Millwall interest in Ryan came before the semi final. Could be Davidsons mate doing him a favour by trying to unsettle him.

It did. I believe they have made 3 bids for him in the last 2 weeks.

[HFC93]

Really dissapointed to read so much negativity towards Porteous from some of our own fans. Yes, his recent form has been poor, but he's a cracking young player with huge potential and is still learning. Steve Clarke obviously sees that as well. He's only 21 ffs! Folk wanting to sell him to Millwall for £1 million. I despair.