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[SHODAN]

I've always been pretty firm that any closed-shop Super League won't get my attention; I wouldn't even watch it. No interest in a no-risk money league.

[hibbysam]

I've always been pretty firm that any closed-shop Super League won't get my attention; I wouldn't even watch it. No interest in a no-risk money league.

Exactly. Football is a sport, competitive at that with winners losers, champions and relegations. Closed door leagues can have the best players if it likes, absolutely no excitement from me. Novelty would soon wear off for fans.

[Since452]

https://www.uefa.com/insideuefa/mediaservices/mediareleases/news/0268-12121411400e-7897186e699a-1000--statement-by-uefa-the-english-football-association-the-premier-/


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UEFA have a cheek. They've made a mockery of the Champions League. Basically a closed shop to the big teams from the big leagues.

[MWHIBBIES]

Players will go where the most money is.


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Messi and Ronaldo would both prefer the world cup over money at this point. Plenty others the same. The world cup is the peak for a majority of top players. They wont ignore it.

[bigwheel]

Yes. TV money, sponsorship money would all drop dramatically if they are not there. There is no future that is better for Hibs in a smaller league with a bigger league operating in Scotland.


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Not so sure it’s as straight as that..Hibs in the first division has always been interesting..the thought of occasionally winning the league would be magic ..I’m tired of the monopoly these clubs have in Scotland

[Ozyhibby]

UEFA have a cheek. They've made a mockery of the Champions League. Basically a closed shop to the big teams from the big leagues.

To be fair to uefa, it’s because of the constant annual threat from these clubs that they keep backing down to their demands. This is just the latest round. This league will happen, it’s just a case of whether it’s under a uefa banner or through a break away.


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[Newry Hibs]

Maybe a threat by these 'super' clubs. Give us what we want or we'll break away.

[ScottB]

Seems like it’s a power play, to get leverage etc and bring it all to a head. That Barca and to an extent Madrid are desperate for cash is probably what’s kicked this into a higher gear after years of rumours.

[Ozyhibby]

Messi and Ronaldo would both prefer the world cup over money at this point. Plenty others the same. The world cup is the peak for a majority of top players. They wont ignore it.

Agree but it works both ways. A World Cup without the top players there would be seriously diminished and May struggle to attract broadcasters and sponsors.
I watched all this happen in the mid 90’s with Australian rugby league. It’s messy but money rules the roost in the end.


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[Kojock]

I don't see the giants of European football kicking down the doors at Parkhead and Ibrox to get those two involved to be honest.

That’s correct but both Rangers and Celtic would be invited to join a new look English Premier league. Money talks.

[ScottB]

Messi and Ronaldo would both prefer the world cup over money at this point. Plenty others the same. The world cup is the peak for a majority of top players. They wont ignore it.

Would they? Messi walked away from his national team before, and with the best will in the world, neither is going to win it. You could also round up all the quality players from countries that will likely never win silverware, like Haaland and co, what would they do?

I’m not sure international football is that big a deal, might work on a few nationalities of players I guess.

[davhibby]

If it does happen it would be over within 10 years. There’s only so long even the biggest clubs can go on playing in what would be a tourist league. It would really just be a case of how long non European tv crowds would remain interested in the same games every year without the competitive edge of a knockout competition.

[Pretty Boy]

So basically a European NFL or MLS. A franchise is guaranteed a place and sporting merit means nothing.

It's been on the cards for years. Good luck to them, will make no difference to my life.

[Ozyhibby]

If it does happen it would be over within 10 years. There’s only so long even the biggest clubs can go on playing in what would be a tourist league. It would really just be a case of how long non European tv crowds would remain interested in the same games every year without the competitive edge of a knockout competition.

It has a knockout element at the end and also a grand final game. It’s naive to think that they won’t be able to market a completion like that globally if they have the best players.


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[Hibernia&Alba]

A breakaway European Super League for the mega clubs would be the final nail in the coffin for the game of the past 150 years. Money would have won completely. It would also destroy the credibility of the remaining UEFA competitions.

What's the value of winning the Champions League when the best teams aren't involved?
What's the value of winning the EPL, La Liga etc when the best teams aren't involved?

I would not watch a single minute of it. A Harlem Globetrotters exhibition league, filled with the best players and teams, operating a cartel that is meaningless to all but a handful of massive names. It would be disastrous for the game.

[ScottB]

Also it’s debatable whether they’d be able to enforce the international representation ban, would no doubt be challenged in European courts. Even the official statement says ‘could’ for that, much firmer on excluding the clubs from any other competition, which is probably more legally achievable.

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210418/70873024df1af2106eae17c716dd91db.jpg
Serious dollars involved.


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[Jones28]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210418/70873024df1af2106eae17c716dd91db.jpg
Serious dollars involved.


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£5 billion 😂 all right, cheerio.

[Ozyhibby]

£5 billion [emoji23] all right, cheerio.

EPL brings in more than £1bn a year so don’t see it as being that outrageous?


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[Hibernia&Alba]

UEFA must do everything possible to block any such proposal. Tell the clubs it's a one way ticket: no return to the fold if it doesn't work.

[Pretty Boy]

UEFA must do everything possible to block any such proposal. Tell the clubs it's a one way ticket: no return to the fold if it doesn't work.

From what I can see on social media the fans of the clubs involved are furious about the leaked plan as well. It's going to be 'tourist' driven. The fact the financial backers are a North American company says it all.

If football splits in 2 with a global elite of 20 or so clubs and 'the rest' I know where I would rather be. A total disregard for heritage, history and their own fanbases.

[Lancs Harp]

Cant believe Hearts aren't part of this. A mistake surely?

[Since90+2]

Who would be the broadcaster for this?

[Antifa Hibs]

Why do people care?

Uefa and FIFA are corrupt to the core. All they care about is money. All the premier league care about is money. All the elite clubs care about is money. All the players and agents care about is money. None of this is exactly new. This certainly is going to be the death of football - football died along long time ago.

None of the above give a flying duck about us or other leagues our level. I couldn't give a flying duck about them. Let them do what they want, its going to have absolutely zero bearing on Hibernian or Scotland.

[04Sauzee]

Finn Harps have made their statement 😁

Finn Harps wishes to confirm that the club has declined the invitation to compete in the proposed European Super League https://t.co/GMTpTa8azg

[Hibernia&Alba]

From what I can see on social media the fans of the clubs involved are furious about the leaked plan as well. It's going to be 'tourist' driven. The fact the financial backers are a North American company says it all.

If football splits in 2 with a global elite of 20 or so clubs and 'the rest' I know where I would rather be. A total disregard for heritage, history and their own fanbases.

My mum's side of the family are in Manchester and are all United fans; a few are season ticket holders. I haven't spoken to any them today and will wait until there are concrete proposals. It will be a very sad moment for them, and me, if it happens. I have supported United all my life, but would have to wash my hands of them.

[Lancs Harp]

Finn Harps have made their statement 😁

Finn Harps wishes to confirm that the club has declined the invitation to compete in the proposed European Super League https://t.co/GMTpTa8azg

It will collapse now.

[J-C]

So basically a European NFL or MLS. A franchise is guaranteed a place and sporting merit means nothing.

It's been on the cards for years. Good luck to them, will make no difference to my life.


NFL is just the pro league in the states, college football is massive and generates a huge amount also and neither has relegation or promotion. It's just a money generator with punters wanting to watch the best teams every year come what may.

[Wakeyhibee]

It will happen at some point. If the remaining clubs across Europe say fine off you go, but you're out domestically then there might be a re think or it may even fail longer term.

If UEFA bow to this as they have been doing, then it's just a stepping stone and will happen later down the line.

We may end up with 2 tier/ codes of football. Personally I would love a complete split because its stale now and is getting manipulated by the big teams. European football is massive even without the big 10-20 teams from 5 nations.

UEFA comps may even become less closed shops with multiple chances to suit the richest.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Why do people care?

Uefa and FIFA are corrupt to the core. All they care about is money. All the premier league care about is money. All the elite clubs care about is money. All the players and agents care about is money. None of this is exactly new. This certainly is going to be the death of football - football died along long time ago.

None of the above give a flying duck about us or other leagues our level. I couldn't give a flying duck about them. Let them do what they want, its going to have absolutely zero bearing on Hibernian or Scotland.

It would have consequences for the integrity of the entire sport. The pyramid system of rewarding achievement will be destroyed. The remaining UEFA competitions will be completely devalued, with the winners not being the best team. It will mean two competing governing bodies, with one representing just a handful of the biggest and richest clubs in the world.

Hibs will never have the chance to maybe play one of those giants in European competition. Those dozen clubs are throwing their history out of the window; giving up everything they have achieved hitherto and starting over.

It's a disaster for the entire sport.

[Ozyhibby]

Why do people care?

Uefa and FIFA are corrupt to the core. All they care about is money. All the premier league care about is money. All the elite clubs care about is money. All the players and agents care about is money. None of this is exactly new. This certainly is going to be the death of football - football died along long time ago.

None of the above give a flying duck about us or other leagues our level. I couldn't give a flying duck about them. Let them do what they want, its going to have absolutely zero bearing on Hibernian or Scotland.

I disagree that it will have no bearing on Hibs but agree with the rest.
Uefa have no god given right to a monopoly on organising competitions and with the level of corruption within it, it’s hard to feel sympathy for them.
It’s too late to stop this now, it will happen. Either quickly with a break away or over a few seasons under uefa.


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[SideBurns]

No mention of Hearts.Bit suprised.

In their usual quiet, dignified fashion Hearts will have declined the invitation on ethical grounds.

[neil7908]

Why do people care?

Uefa and FIFA are corrupt to the core. All they care about is money. All the premier league care about is money. All the elite clubs care about is money. All the players and agents care about is money. None of this is exactly new. This certainly is going to be the death of football - football died along long time ago.

None of the above give a flying duck about us or other leagues our level. I couldn't give a flying duck about them. Let them do what they want, its going to have absolutely zero bearing on Hibernian or Scotland.

Agree with this. I'm against it in principle but Hibs and Scotland are my only real love in the football - the rest is window dressing.

The irony of FIFA and UEFA raging about this is the hilarious given how they have managed football in the last couple of decades.

[Lancs Harp]

If it happened (which immediately I doubt will) it will just be another television programme for me. I watch the EPL, Champions League, Bundesliga etc etc, Im a football nut and Im guessing it will just be something else to watch. It doesn't relate in any way to the team I support. Watching the Champions league now I enjoy a lot but doesnt impact or remotely have emotional pull that following Hibs does and that wouldnt change whether its a European Super League, A world league or a intergalactic super league. I'll still be a Hibs fan, still "hate" Hearts, still be sat here as I am now in my Hibs training top, drinking from my Hibs mug (about to be replaced with a wine glass), it wont really effect any of us that support non giant club teams. Our leagues could possibly attract lesser income from sponsorship I guess but in many leagues such as in Scotland that's relatively small anyway. As has been stated earlier it is immoral in respect of giving scant regard for the history and the integrity of the game, but sadly at the top table of football money has long been the dominating factor.

I'll watch the Champions league final, I'll watch EPL being won, but none of this compares to watching Hibs because its the team I support. Its about emotional attachment. The fans of those "Super" Clubs will never understand what winning the cup meant for Hibs in 2016, or Barrow getting back in football league after nearly 50 years absence, or Brora beating Hearts, Berwick beating Rangers, St Johnstone winning a cup, Blackpool getting to the Premier League, Fulham or Alaves getting to a Europa cup final etc etc etc.

I and many fans like me and you guys are much happier to support our teams, we might not be the best, but thats the point. To all of us whether you support Hibs, Hearts, Dunfermline, Partick Thistle, Blackpool, Leyton Orient, Shamrock Rovers, Elche et al its something deep inside almost a sense of belonging but to us our team is the best. Not neccessarily the best in the trophy cabinet but the best to us.

Sorry bit of a ramble and Ive not even opened the wine yet.

[660]

**** modern football and these super clubs

[Lancs Harp]

In their usual quiet, dignified fashion Hearts will have declined the invitation on ethical grounds.

The thanks you get. The winners of World War one, saving Europe from eternal darkness, now excluded from a European super league.

[Lancs Harp]

Gary Neville kicking off big time.

[Blaster]

Gary Neville kicking off big time.

He’s spot on. So is Roy Keane

[Hibernia&Alba]

Gary Neville kicking off big time.


He’s spot on. So is Roy Keane

Well said both of them :top marks

[Del Boy]

Neville and Keane both spot on on this.

No fan of any club can actually want this pish

[Wakeyhibee]

**** modern football and these super clubs

Pretty much this. It wont devalue competitions that are left to any degree that affects Hibs, plenty of big big clubs left. The integrity is long gone in these comps, maybe time to get it back.

Just make sure when they go, they go totally.

I dont like UEFA, its corruption and pandering to the elite., it's a chance to steer a new course.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Neville and Keane both spot on on this.

No fan of any club can actually want this pish

No, but the fans are irrelevant. It's just about the money.

[weecounty hibby]

The common denominator in all of this us that these clubs are all hundreds of millions in debt. The Spanish clubs are over a billion in debt I believe. Hope they some of them go tuts up.

[Ozyhibby]

Neville and Keane both spot on on this.

No fan of any club can actually want this pish

Labour Party have now come out against it as well. Pressure will be on Govt. Wait till everyone finds out Matt Hancock’s wee sister is running the new league.


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[Since90+2]

How many games are they proposing to play? Are they proposing a 12 team league and then a cup competition for those teams only?

[hibbysam]

Loved listening to that passion from those who know what it’s all about.

[Ozyhibby]

The common denominator in all of this us that these clubs are all hundreds of millions in debt. The Spanish clubs are over a billion in debt I believe. Hope they some of them go tuts up.

They are all now also foreign owned. There is very little connection between owners and supporters now.


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[Ozyhibby]

How many games are they proposing to play? Are they proposing a 12 team league and then a cup competition for those teams only?

Two ten team leagues then top 4 in each go into a 1/4 finals against each other.


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[Since90+2]

Two ten team leagues then top 4 in each go into a 1/4 finals against each other.


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Do we know who the 20 teams are? I'm guessing the 12 announced plus Bayern,PSG, Dortmund and Marseille maybe? Can't think who the others would be.

[easty]

Do we know who the 20 teams are? I'm guessing the 22 announced plus Bayern,PSG, Dortmund and Marseille maybe? Can't think who the others would be.

Think I read Bayern and Dortmund have rejected it.

[DaveF]

Do we know who the 20 teams are? I'm guessing the 22 announced plus Bayern,PSG, Dortmund and Marseille maybe? Can't think who the others would be.

I didn't think the German teams were in favour due to the ownership model they have?

[Since90+2]

I didn't think the German teams were in favour due to the ownership model they have?

At the moment, I can't see them not being part of it if almost every other major club in Europe takes part.

Although German football does seem to be more for the fans than the other major leagues so possibly not.

[Ozyhibby]

I didn't think the German teams were in favour due to the ownership model they have?

Yes, doubt any German teams will join and PSG won’t want to risk any damage to the World Cup in Qatar, otherwise they would be in there as well.


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[Antifa Hibs]

Neville and Keane both spot on on this.

No fan of any club can actually want this pish

What did Roy Keane and Gary Neville say when AIG plastered their corporate logo over the Busby Babes memorial banner outside OT? Or when their fans were fighting like **** to save the club from the Glazers? Or when their club hold back thousands of tickets to sell to tourists thus reducing the number of working class Mancs at the games?

Laughable.

[Ozyhibby]

It’s going to be very interesting now. If these clubs back down now after signing this letter of intent then they will have lost all power over uefa. It’s going to become a massive game of chicken now.


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[Pretty Boy]

Gary Neville was brilliant, that was a fan rather than an ex player and pundit talking. Not seen Keane yet but I'll look out for it.

[weecounty hibby]

No, but the fans are irrelevant. It's just about the money.
Totally. They'd rather sell a table for 10 at 1000 per head in hospitality than sell 300+ tickets to fans at 30 quid. No real fans = no atmosphere but the TV audience will get piped atmosphere like we have over the last year. I won't be watching any of this if it ever comes to pass

[Scorrie]

Think I read Bayern and Dortmund have rejected it.

PSG as well apparently. I think they’ll bottle it but perhaps the whole thing is a shot across UEFA’s bows to give them direct access to champions leagues quarter finals or something.

[Lancs Harp]

PSG as well apparently. I think they’ll bottle it but perhaps the whole thing is a shot across UEFA’s bows to give them direct access to champions leagues quarter finals or something.

But surely giving them access directly to the Quarter finals is the opposite of what they are looking for? They would miss out on the revenue of the group stage and early KO round. They want to play more European football not less.

[660]

Gary Neville was brilliant, that was a fan rather than an ex player and pundit talking. Not seen Keane yet but I'll look out for it.

He’s right but greed and obscene money has been part of English football since 1992

[Pagan Hibernia]

What did Roy Keane and Gary Neville say when AIG plastered their corporate logo over the Busby Babes memorial banner outside OT? Or when their fans were fighting like **** to save the club from the Glazers? Or when their club hold back thousands of tickets to sell to tourists thus reducing the number of working class Mancs at the games?

Laughable.

agreed. Neville’s a hypocrite.

said some very condescending and disrespectful things about the united fans involved in the setting up of FC United all those years ago.

and then there’s taking an established 70 year old non league club and wiping out their identity, changing their colours etc

[Hibernia&Alba]

Announcement at 9:30. Prepare for the poo to hit the fan.

[Vault Boy]

So ****ing glad I don't support a club or league so vacuous, tactless, and commercially driven. For shame.

[007]

https://www.uefa.com/insideuefa/mediaservices/mediareleases/news/0268-12121411400e-7897186e699a-1000--statement-by-uefa-the-english-football-association-the-premier-/


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That'll pave the way straight into the Scotland line up for Doig. 😆 😆

[bigwheel]

So ****ing glad I don't support a club or league so vacuous, tactless, and commercially driven. For shame.

Honestly , I think Ron would take us into an equivalent in a moments notice. He is already on record saying we should consider the American model where there is no relegation from the top league .....

[Danderhall Hibs]

Is there a chance the arse could fall out of the English game? If so can only be a good thing. Presumably sky would dump the rest to follow the super league?

[Keith_M]

What did Roy Keane and Gary Neville say when AIG plastered their corporate logo over the Busby Babes memorial banner outside OT? Or when their fans were fighting like **** to save the club from the Glazers? Or when their club hold back thousands of tickets to sell to tourists thus reducing the number of working class Mancs at the games?

Laughable.



Dunno, mate. Care to enlighten us?

[Ozyhibby]

Honestly , I think Ron would take us into an equivalent in a moments notice. He is already on record saying we should consider the American model where there is no relegation from the top league .....

I assume that he is here to do just that, on a smaller scale.


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[Hibernia&Alba]

Is there a chance the arse could fall out of the English game? If so can only be a good thing. Presumably sky would dump the rest to follow the super league?

Yes, plus the Spanish and Italian leagues. There would be monumental consequences.

[Pagan Hibernia]

Also, nice of spurs to throw their hat into the ring. So we’re going to have a super league for Europe’s ‘elite’ that includes a club that hasn’t won their domestic championship for 60 years

[Ozyhibby]

Announcement at 9:30. Prepare for the poo to hit the fan.

Slipping it out while everyone is watching Line of Duty? Clever. [emoji23]


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[Hibernia&Alba]

Also, nice of spurs to throw their hat into the ring. So we’re going to have a super league for Europe’s ‘elite’ that includes a club that hasn’t won their domestic championship for 60 years

Indeed, but they can bring in the dollars: London club with a great stadium and large fan base. That's more important.

[BroxburnHibee]

Announcement at 9:30. Prepare for the poo to hit the fan.

Announcement from who?

[Hibernia&Alba]

Announcement from who?

The clubs involved, apparently.

[Lancs Harp]

Also, nice of spurs to throw their hat into the ring. So we’re going to have a super league for Europe’s ‘elite’ that includes a club that hasn’t won their domestic championship for 60 years

It just emphasises its all about money and not football.

How will the fans of these "giants" react to being unsuccessful? Someone is going to have to finish bottom of that league. Perennial winners are going to have to get used to finishing in the bottom half of the league season in season out instead of fighting for Championships. I guess it doesnt matter to their owners as long as the money is coming in but it will matter big time to their fans. Worth considering.

[Ozyhibby]

It just emphasises its all about money and not football.

How will the fans of these "giants" react to being unsuccessful? Someone is going to have to finish bottom of that league. Perennial winners are going to have to get used to finishing in the bottom half of the league season in season out instead of fighting for Championships. I guess it doesnt matter to their owners as long as the money is coming in but it will matter big time to their fans. Worth considering.

Spurs fans will be cool with that. [emoji23]


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[bigwheel]

I assume that he is here to do just that, on a smaller scale.


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How depressing

[Lancs Harp]

Spurs fans will be cool with that. [emoji23]


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Spurs and Arsenal bottom two then, thats two of the positions sorted :greengrin Probably get £10 billion for that though :greengrin

[Callum_62]

Also, nice of spurs to throw their hat into the ring. So we’re going to have a super league for Europe’s ‘elite’ that includes a club that hasn’t won their domestic championship for 60 yearsI think I just heard that spurs don't agree with it

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[The Spaceman]

A disgusting turn of events for the world game but fortunately one which has absolutely zero impact on Hibs and Scottish Football.

If you were an excluded Premiership or English Championship club, you’d currently be very, very, very worried about the implications of this on your bottom line.

All this to appease foreign fan bases. How very sad.

[green day]

I think this is just a pop at UEFA to try and squeeze more cash out of them.

This is very much like the advent of the Premiership in England - it was deemed a breakaway, and has a different ownership - but is part of the same pyramid model which includes the EFL etc.

If they are not part of any FA, their players wont be part of the system that gets them released for International matches etc.

Everything I have read about this suggests it smells of sheehite and is basically a willy waving competition v UEFA.

Lets see what the 9.30 press release says.

[BroxburnHibee]

The greed of these corporate monsters knows no end.

Arsenal can't even qualify for Europe but want to be part of some closed shop?

Sickens me to be honest.

[Pagan Hibernia]

I think this is just a pop at UEFA to try and squeeze more cash out of them.

This is very much like the advent of the Premiership in England - it was deemed a breakaway, and has a different ownership - but is part of the same pyramid model which includes the EFL etc.

If they are not part of any FA, their players wont be part of the system that gets them released for International matches etc.

Everything I have read about this suggests it smells of sheehite and is basically a willy waving competition v UEFA.

Lets see what the 9.30 press release says.

probably but it will be used to extract more and more concessions out of UEFA until they end up with basically everything they want anyway

[Magpie]

Gary Neville had a right go today on Sky. Called Arsenal a shambles of a club, at least he got that right.

[Hibbyradge]

Players going to be banned from European and international fixtures, including the world cup and Euros if they participate

That will last about 2 minutes.

[Danderhall Hibs]

That will last about 2 minutes.

They’d just start a new tier of international football and end up like boxing with the WBO vs the WBA. Or the darts PDC v BDO.

[Ozyhibby]

That will last about 2 minutes.

I suspect the clubs involved would have gamed out all these scenarios and are prepared for it?


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[mal]

The implications of this are massive, particularly as there's only one year left of the EPL's deal with Sky. Losing the "top" 6 teams would reduce the league's bargaining powers hugely. Loss of TV income, potential loss of sponsorship and some of the largest travelling supports could be devastating for some teams that are living on the brink at the moment.

Potential impacts on Hibs that spring to mind:



With 6 of the top EPL clubs facing immediate UEFA bans that must put Villa in line for European qualification. Would that trigger another McGinn bonus?
The teams that we could potentially face in Europe changes.
I'd be very if the Old Firm weren't seeing this as an opportunity to apply for the vacancies. Losing 6 giant clubs might leave the EPL vulnerable enough that the OF joining might finally seem like an attractive proposition. Would UEFA block such a move?

[Hibbyradge]

I suspect the clubs involved would have gamed out all these scenarios and are prepared for it?


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Undoubtedly.

Also, fans won't want to see competitions without the best clubs and players involved.

And, more significantly, neither will the sponsors.

FIFA etc would cave in quickly if it happens.

[Ricky Bobby]

I agree to a point with UEFA and Gary Nevilles comments, but where was this outrage when the Champions league was changed to allow 4 teams from England etc to qualify. That was a decision based on greed at the expense of smaller nations sides. Where us the Sporting integrity there.
Personally i couldnt guve a toss about these proposals, in fact if they took the ugly sisters with them, all the better.

[Jones28]

EPL brings in more than £1bn a year so don’t see it as being that outrageous?


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It’s 5x the revenue...and it’s £5billion. That seems a bit outrageous to me.

[Hibernia&Alba]

https://youtu.be/GP05EDm9EB8

[Since90+2]

Gary Neville had a right go today on Sky. Called Arsenal a shambles of a club, at least he got that right.

He's right. Spurs are even worse though, never won anything for years and are happy to piggy back on the backs of the genuine European giants.

[The Spaceman]

I am just pleased we Hibs fans can sit and watch this all play out with popcorn in hand. If it leads to a collapse of the top leagues we will benefit hugely. Even a slight weakening will help.

[Dalianwanda]

Finn Harps have made their statement 😁

Finn Harps wishes to confirm that the club has declined the invitation to compete in the proposed European Super League https://t.co/GMTpTa8azg

They’re just sulking after getting beat by Sligo yesterday 😉

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/swissramble/status/1383842188182790144?s=21


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[Lancs Harp]

I agree to a point with UEFA and Gary Nevilles comments, but where was this outrage when the Champions league was changed to allow 4 teams from England etc to qualify. That was a decision based on greed at the expense of smaller nations sides. Where us the Sporting integrity there.
Personally i couldnt guve a toss about these proposals, in fact if they took the ugly sisters with them, all the better.

Dont think England are the only country to have four entrants to be fair.

[HoboHarry]

I agree to a point with UEFA and Gary Nevilles comments, but where was this outrage when the Champions league was changed to allow 4 teams from England etc to qualify. That was a decision based on greed at the expense of smaller nations sides. Where us the Sporting integrity there.
Personally i couldnt guve a toss about these proposals, in fact if they took the ugly sisters with them, all the better.
That last part is exactly what I just said to my wife.....

[Hibbyradge]

The truth is that despite all the noise and statements to the contrary, people will want to watch the best players in the top teams.

A few die hard fans may choose not to, but billions of people around the globe will be glued to it.

Of course it's all about self interest and greed, but when push comes to shove, football is entertainment and Man U v Barcelona in a Super League fixture would be more attractive to most than, for example, a Leicester v Southampton FA Cup semi-final.

[Iggy Pope]

Gary Neville had a right go today on Sky. Called Arsenal a shambles of a club, at least he got that right.

Imagine you picking Arsenal as your point of reference out of that six. Spurs for ****s sake....

[Keyser Sauzee]

Any clips of Neville and Keanes views?

[Gloucester Hibs]

Any clips of Neville and Keanes views?

https://youtu.be/GP05EDm9EB8

[Hibernia&Alba]

Any clips of Neville and Keanes views?

Why do I bother? :greengrin

[hibbysam]

The truth is that despite all the noise and statements to the contrary, people will want to watch the best players in the top teams.

A few die hard fans may choose not to, but billions of people around the globe will be glued to it.

Of course it's all about self interest and greed, but when push comes to shove, football is entertainment and Man U v Barcelona in a Super League fixture would be more attractive to most than, for example, a Leicester v Southampton FA Cup semi-final.

Maybe to begin with, but I’d imagine if it was on a subscription channel then not as many would tune in. Wonder what the viewing figures are for knockout champions league games, that’s about as comparable as it gets. Would start off with more viewers than that, and end up with less when the novelty wears off I think.

What about Inter vs Arsenal, 8th vs 10th in an end of season clash? Hardly going to be swimming in numbers.

[Scorrie]

I’m not convinced it will happen ...this time

[Hibs90]

Neville's rant was absolutely bang on IMO. Sensational. Sky are also just as culpable.

This needs binned pronto or the game is well and truly finished.

Unless of course they want to take Celtic and The Rangers.. in which case carry on. :wink:

[Yorkshire HFC]

[QUOTE=The Spaceman;6530628]I am just pleased we Hibs fans can sit and watch this all play out with popcorn in hand.

It will effect Hibs - Celtic and Rangers will be off to the 3rd / 4th tier of whatever it becomes. Hibs will be left playing Hamilton, Dundee, Hearts etc. on some obscure Estonian tv channel at 4pm on a Monday afternoon.

[LeithMike]

https://youtu.be/GP05EDm9EB8Interesting take from Neville and hard not to agree. The English game sold out to money a long time ago though. Compare with Germany where the Bundesliga clubs can't bring in money to compete with the English clubs due to the club ownership rules. That should be rewarded. Are Sky and Neville happy for English clubs to have less money and lose out on the best players? I think there are a bit of mixed motives.

It's going to be really hard now with most British clubs privately owned but there should at least be a debate about some kind of regulation to protect them for their communities. Hibs appear to be in good ownership just now but what if the next guy/girl isn't?

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[Since90+2]

[QUOTE=The Spaceman;6530628]I am just pleased we Hibs fans can sit and watch this all play out with popcorn in hand.

It will effect Hibs - Celtic and Rangers will be off to the 3rd / 4th tier of whatever it becomes. Hibs will be left playing Hamilton, Dundee, Hearts etc. on some obscure Estonian tv channel at 4pm on a Monday afternoon.

There is no 3rd or 4th tier. This is about 1 thing only and that's the biggest clubs in Europe maximising revenue through worldwide TV audiences.

They don't really care about what happens in 2 or 3 tiers below that. Infact in their eyes it's better not to have tiers below them at all as none of these clubs want the threat of relegation outwith the gravy train.

[Lancs Harp]

Rio on BT Sport steaming in now too. Being universally hammered

[Hibernia&Alba]

Rio on BT Sport steaming in now too. Being universally hammered

I agree with Gary Neville: the owners of the clubs involved will bottle it and try to pretend it was never a serious proposal but just a brainstorming session on Zoom calls. I will be astonished if they see it through at risk of being expelled from their domestic leagues. It just further demonstrates the way top level football has moved away from sport and completely towards business. The owners of the clubs involved won't feel ashamed; they have no shame.

[DH1875]

Rio on BT Sport steaming in now too. Being universally hammered

Could listen to Rio all day, think he is brilliant. "Embarrassed to be a Utd fan".

[Iggy Pope]

Could listen to Rio all day, think he is brilliant. "Embarrassed to be a Utd fan".

From Peckham!

[ahibby]

Rio on BT Sport steaming in now too. Being universally hammered

Atlast something might happen to remove power from associations which lets face it are dictatorships at worst and monopolies at best. FIFA threatening to ban players from Workd cups and Internationals if they breakaway is a perfect example of dictating not only to clubs and players but also to fans. Its about time that clubs are able to take such decisions for themselves. My only provisio would be that any breakaway club takes their ST holders views into account. I personally as a ST holder I would go for it because it would be a format very much worth watching.

[Pagan Hibernia]

Atlast something might happen to remove power from associations which lets face it are dictatorships at worst and monopolies at best. FIFA threatening to ban players from Workd cups and Internationals if they breakaway is a perfect example of dictating not only to clubs and players but also to fans. Its about time that clubs are able to take such decisions for themselves. My only provisio would be that any breakaway club takes their ST holders views into account. I personally as a ST holder I would go for it because it would be a format very much worth watching.

ffs :rolleyes:

[hibbysam]

Atlast something might happen to remove power from associations which lets face it are dictatorships at worst and monopolies at best. FIFA threatening to ban players from Workd cups and Internationals if they breakaway is a perfect example of dictating not only to clubs and players but also to fans. Its about time that clubs are able to take such decisions for themselves. My only provisio would be that any breakaway club takes their ST holders views into account. I personally as a ST holder I would go for it because it would be a format very much worth watching.

Each to their own.

[WeeRussell]

What did Roy Keane and Gary Neville say when AIG plastered their corporate logo over the Busby Babes memorial banner outside OT? Or when their fans were fighting like **** to save the club from the Glazers? Or when their club hold back thousands of tickets to sell to tourists thus reducing the number of working class Mancs at the games?

Laughable.

Do you not agree with what Neville said and are you not glad he did so on live national tv?

[WeeRussell]

The truth is that despite all the noise and statements to the contrary, people will want to watch the best players in the top teams.

A few die hard fans may choose not to, but billions of people around the globe will be glued to it.

Of course it's all about self interest and greed, but when push comes to shove, football is entertainment and Man U v Barcelona in a Super League fixture would be more attractive to most than, for example, a Leicester v Southampton FA Cup semi-final.

Sure, if we want the game to go even more towards a tv, money and tourism sport than it already is.

Personally I can go without super teams and super leagues if it means having a chance of keeping the game we know and love. I think any genuine supporter of any team (whether one of the potential super league participants, or a national league side will feel the same).

You’re right though, people will still watch it, which I’m sure is the only point you were making. But it’ll be game over for football as we know it surely.

VAR was enough for me. This **** is just taking the p1ss now.

Go on Gary Neville.

[hibbysam]

Neville and Rio will hopefully just be the start of high profile ex players of these clubs to come out and give them both barrels. Savage was making a great point about grassroots as well, and the point I’ve been making for months about this Atlantic league suggestion, if we abandon grassroots and the Scottish game then it’s lost for good, then all we will be doing is watching the best players from other countries play for Hibernian.

[Chorley Hibee]

agreed. Neville’s a hypocrite.

said some very condescending and disrespectful things about the united fans involved in the setting up of FC United all those years ago.

and then there’s taking an established 70 year old non league club and wiping out their identity, changing their colours etc

Yep, destroyed a historic non-league club to feed his own ego and turn it into a mini Manchester United.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Where is the statement? Have the clubs involved bottled out already?

[MWHIBBIES]

I'd rather watch hibs in the 4th tier than an Atlantic league. If we team with the old firm and Hearts to **** Scottish football I'll protest it like the generation before me did mercer. Its utterly disgusting and I would walk away from hibs if it happened.

[Since452]

Fair play to Gary Neville. Agree with everything he said.

[Hibernia&Alba]

I'd rather watch hibs in the 4th tier than an Atlantic league. If we team with the old firm and Hearts to **** Scottish football I'll protest it like the generation before me did mercer. Its utterly disgusting and I would walk away from hibs if it happened.

Correct. I would fully concur :agree:

[AgentDaleCooper]

The truth is that despite all the noise and statements to the contrary, people will want to watch the best players in the top teams.

A few die hard fans may choose not to, but billions of people around the globe will be glued to it.

Of course it's all about self interest and greed, but when push comes to shove, football is entertainment and Man U v Barcelona in a Super League fixture would be more attractive to most than, for example, a Leicester v Southampton FA Cup semi-final.

all hail the market, let us all submit to it and hope that it's riches trickle down, it's for the greater good :wink:

[Pagan Hibernia]

I'd rather watch hibs in the 4th tier than an Atlantic league. If we team with the old firm and Hearts to **** Scottish football I'll protest it like the generation before me did mercer. Its utterly disgusting and I would walk away from hibs if it happened.

same. I will not be following Hibs out of Scottish football.

[WeeRussell]

Correct. I would fully concur :agree:

Me tae. Not that I ever see it happening though.

[007]

Where is the statement? Have the clubs involved bottled out already?

I think Gary Neville was spot on, including how they'd be bottling it and amending the statement. Which is probably why nothing has come out yet.

[Ozyhibby]

same. I will not be following Hibs out of Scottish football.


Me tae. Not that I ever see it happening though.

By the time it happens you’ll convince yourself that it was unavoidable and Hibs had to jump because everyone else had. Fact is, Hibs have already signalled a willingness to look at a different league and I think it’s only a matter of time.


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[660]

It is pretty funny watching these ex-players whinge about this when they were the beneficiaries of obscene television money pouring into football. Suddenly they’re against “greed” in football and claiming to speak for fans. Hypocritical pish.

It’s an awful idea but football was dying long before this and fans haven’t been a priority for decades. What’s the difference now?

[WeeRussell]

By the time it happens you’ll convince yourself that it was unavoidable and Hibs had to jump because everyone else had. Fact is, Hibs have already signalled a willingness to look at a different league and I think it’s only a matter of time.


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Nah I think if and when that time came I’d be at the end of my tether with all the sh*te changes ruining the game and just no bother with it. There’s plenty other sports I’m into now, football used to be a long way ahead of them all, but become less so in recent years.

[lord bunberry]

By the time it happens you’ll convince yourself that it was unavoidable and Hibs had to jump because everyone else had. Fact is, Hibs have already signalled a willingness to look at a different league and I think it’s only a matter of time.


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Some will, but a lot won’t. I’ve no interest in watching us play in an Atlantic league. If this super league goes ahead there might be a chance of a British league, I wouldn’t necessarily be against that, but I’d much rather we kept the status quo. Hibs are one of the biggest clubs in Scotland, that might not be the case in any new setup.

[AgentDaleCooper]

It is pretty funny watching these ex-players whinge about this when they were the beneficiaries of obscene television money pouring into football. Suddenly they’re against “greed” in football and claiming to speak for fans. Hypocritical pish.

It’s an awful idea but football was dying long before this and fans haven’t been a priority for decades. What’s the difference now?

to me, it's akin to watching middle class liberals whine about brexit and trump, completely failing to see that it's their own system that prepared the ground for this to happen. it has indeed been dying for a long time, but the answer is not to plough on blindly and pray for some kind of permanent equilibrium - the only kind of stability that can be created with money is tyranny.

[007]

What happened to the big announcement at 9.30pm? This all feels very Friday 5pm to me.

[007]

Hope Hibs come out with something similar to put our minds at rest.

https://twitter.com/BrayWanderers/status/1383813643649699847?s=19

[DH1875]

What happened to the big announcement at 9.30pm? This all feels very Friday 5pm to me.

They can't announce it as 3 of the 15 proposed teams have said their not interested. You'd have thought someone would have checked with them first :confused::greengrin

[Hibbyradge]

all hail the market, let us all submit to it and hope that it's riches trickle down, it's for the greater good :wink:

I'm fairly certain that's not what I said, it's certainly not what I believe and it's exactly the opposite of what would happen if this goes ahead.

The drip down of riches happens now. It will stop if there's a breakaway.

[Del Boy]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56795811

[HoboHarry]

With any luck those mhanky b@@@@@@s and their equally foul cousins from Glasgow will join the English league as they've wanted to do for years......

[007]

https://www.arsenal.com/news/european-super-league-announced

[Ozyhibby]

If Uefa have any balls they will suspend all 12 clubs, effective immediately.


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[Hibernia&Alba]

Proposal for a European Super League released. Fifteen founder clubs will administer the competition themselves. Five additional clubs may be eligible to qualify each season:

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/12279674/man-utd-liverpool-chelsea-arsenal-man-city-and-tottenham-agree-to-join-european-super-league

[bringbackbenny]

https://www.arsenal.com/news/european-super-league-announced


The 'Founding Clubs', what a pile of sanctimonious crock

[Hibbyradge]

Is the plan for this Super League to play along side the domestic leagues and European competitions?

[Callum_62]

https://www.arsenal.com/news/european-super-league-announced In exchange for their commitment, Founding Clubs will receive an amount of €3.5 billion solely to support their infrastructure investment plans and to offset the impact of the COVID pandemic.

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[LeithMike]

Other 3 clubs in the wings must be Bayern, Dortmund and PSG. Sounds serious and difficult to see how clubs reverse this. Also sounds like the Spanish and Italian clubs need this to happen due to the large debts they are carrying.

Would finish domestic leagues if the Superleauge clubs get money which dwarfs that on different in the domestic leagues. How could Lyon or Marseille compete with PSG?



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[Brummie_Hibs]

What hasn't been discussed is if this league is not sanctioned by FIFA/UEFA then there is nothing stopping them rewriting the football rulebook.

4x 25min quarters
Timeouts
Set play subs
Sin bins
More opportunities for commercial breaks...

[1875godsgift]

If Uefa have any balls they will suspend all 12 clubs, effective immediately.


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:agree: And the FA.

Wonder what odds you'd get on Leicester winning the league just now when it's almost mathematically impossible? 5000-1? :greengrin

[Hibernia&Alba]

Is the plan for this Super League to play along side the domestic leagues and European competitions?

Yes, but the national associations have released a statement announcing any clubs involved will be suspended from their domestic leagues. Of course they will also be kicked out of existing European compeitions.

[HoboHarry]

If Uefa have any balls they will suspend all 12 clubs, effective immediately.


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For doing exactly what UEFA themselves are trying to do constantly?

[Vault Boy]

A truly sickening indictment of the state of the 'elite' game.

Hopefully they get hit with everything that's been speculated about - law suits, league expulsions, and international disqualification for the players. The executives and staff who are complicit in this move should live in shame, but I'm sure they're just laughing all the way to the bank.

The contempt shown toward the fans is disgraceful. Utter *****bags. The writing has been on the wall for a while though, the Premier League is a plastic mess. A lot of my pals have been out of love with it for a long time.

[Hibernia&Alba]

What hasn't been discussed is if this league is not sanctioned by FIFA/UEFA then there is nothing stopping them rewriting the football rulebook.

4x 25min quarters
Timeouts
Set play subs
Sin bins
More opportunities for commercial breaks...

Yes, good point. If they are not members of FIFA, they will be able to do as they please: play quarters, scrap offside rule etc. It could be two different codes, like rugby.

[Ozyhibby]

For doing exactly what UEFA themselves are trying to do constantly?

I’m not really taking a side on this. I’m just saying that if uefa want to save themselves they have to go hard now and suspend all the clubs involved effective immediately. And the National FA’s would have to follow.


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[HoboHarry]

I’m not really taking a side on this. I’m just saying that if uefa want to save themselves they have to go hard now and suspend all the clubs involved effective immediately. And the National FA’s would have to follow.


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Not sure about that, there's no way back if they do that. It may well be that the 12 clubs have thrown down a challenge because they don't want UEFA's new format of the Champions League. I don't have a side either, just seems to me that this was inevitable.......

[007]

Are these teams going to want to opt out of their domestic cup competitions altogether now or are they just going to disrespect them even more with the teams they put out? Or I guess they'll be able to afford to snap up the top players from the other clubs and would operate with even bigger squads.

Is there a limit on squad sizes? If not then there should be. There should be limits on the development squad sizes and younger age groups too.

[SHODAN]

Suspend them all. Now.

[Callum_62]

https://twitter.com/MarcelFCBbut2/status/1383820914949705747?s=19

Not a patch on

DA DA DA DA DA..... THE CHAMPIONS!

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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/carlmillar7/status/1383923092943040522?s=21


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[Tobias Funke]

Suspend them all. Now.

This is purely to get UEFA to come to the table to negotiate a better deal for the greedy canutes. But yeah, if this goes ahead they should all be suspended.

[WeeRussell]

This is purely to get UEFA to come to the table to negotiate a better deal for the greedy canutes. But yeah, if this goes ahead they should all be suspended.

There’s an argument to say in announcing what they have already, even if only intended as a threat, they should be suspended now.

The press releases suggest it’s going ahead. They’ve made their beds.

[Ozyhibby]

There’s an argument to say in announcing what they have already, even if only intended as a threat, they should be suspended now.

The press releases suggest it’s going ahead. They’ve made their beds.

I would imagine that there will be financial penalties for any club that pulls out of the Super league now as well. The 12 (or 15) will have signed contracts with the backers of the league. It will be messy from here on.


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[WeeRussell]

I would imagine that there will be financial penalties for any club that pulls out of the Super league now as well. The 12 (or 15) will have signed contracts with the backers of the league. It will be messy from here on.


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Cant put your last sentence in bold using my phone... but of that there’s no doubt!

[Vault Boy]

Not permanently closing this, just tidying things up - this thread is about the previously proposed Atlantic League rather than the Super League announced yesterday evening. Will open this up again once the distinction is clearer.

Dedicated European Super League thread is open. :aok: