Jack Ross in big games

[HFC 0-7]

We still have folk yearning for Neil Lennon on here and his record is worse than Ross’ and he also lost some massive games himself. Chasing a manager out for losing two derbies is ridiculous patter, no matter how big the games were.

His record in the bigger matches needs to improve but we are 3rd in the league currently so I won’t be chasing him out for it just yet.

I wasn’t hounding anyone out,, or yearning for Lennon. I was pointing out that we seem to use that line an awful lot...... it’s just one game, bigger picture. If we bottle the big games, we won’t win anything. Unfortunately, for a team like hibs, where we will never win the league, cups are where it all is. That’s where we should focus.

[HFC 0-7]

He didn’t get shown up tactically though. Our players didn’t perform.

What did he do to try and change the game? Not a lot.

[Baldy Foghorn]

What did he do to try and change the game? Not a lot.

Our lack of options available on our bench showed

[B.H.F.C]

I wasn’t hounding anyone out,, or yearning for Lennon. I was pointing out that we seem to use that line an awful lot...... it’s just one game, bigger picture. If we bottle the big games, we won’t win anything. Unfortunately, for a team like hibs, where we will never win the league, cups are where it all is. That’s where we should focus.

It was a chance to get to a cup final without having to play a Premiership team the whole way through.

We did the same in 2015, where we had the easiest run you could possibly get, would have had Inverness in the final, but blew it.

We can’t cope with being favourites, regardless of who is in charge, who the players are. Ironically, when we did win it we had a far tougher run but even then we’d still blown a league cup final and the play offs. As favourites, obviously.

[K-Zazu]

Imagine getting pumped of them twice

[Borderhibbie76]

This one is shameful.

There are no mitigating circumstances, no excuses, nothing to hide behind.

Disgusted, not often i say that about the team but it’s all i feel right now. Disgusted and embarrassed.

Me too I actually feel angrier about yesterday than that cup final tbh as I expected so much more of this Hibs team and yet again they let us down when it matters against them. Im utterly sick of it now tbh. I couldn't buy a ST in summer as got made redundant and was toying with the idea of a half ST at Xmas as am back in work now but yesterday has made me think twice it really has. Our 2nd half performance was a joke they way we stood off them at times and some of our players just never turned up - the likes of Boyle, Porto who I thought was awful throughout the match Nisbet, Gogic was poor. Honestly so angry and fed up about it all.

[JohnM1875]

This place is absolutely mental.

If a neutral is watching that game they'd easily be able to see we were the better team. Created a lot of chances, but unfortunately Craig Gordon had a great game.

It's absolutely gutting. And last night I was raging (broke a PS4 pad, but I'm still blaming Fifa for that one) but to blame everything on Jack Ross and for some to want him out is mental stuff! Nisbet scores the penalty we're in the final.

[B.H.F.C]

This place is absolutely mental.

If a neutral is watching that game they'd easily be able to see we were the better team. Created a lot of chances, but unfortunately Craig Gordon had a great game.

It's absolutely gutting. And last night I was raging (broke a PS4 pad, but I'm still blaming Fifa for that one) but to blame everything on Jack Ross and for some to want him out is mental stuff! Nisbet scores the penalty we're in the final.

Who gives a toss what neutrals think. They’re not the ones that the club need to please if they want people to continue to part with their cash.

Granted folk will say things in the heat of the moment. But at a time when it’s difficult for the club to keep people engaged, results like last night are an absolute hammer blow to their chances of keeping folk on board.

[Hiber-nation]

This place is absolutely mental.

If a neutral is watching that game they'd easily be able to see we were the better team. Created a lot of chances, but unfortunately Craig Gordon had a great game.



Spoke to a neutral today and he couldnt believe that we were unable to beat a team as slow and ponderous as hearts.

Yes there is a massive difference between Gordon and that clown they had in goals last season but still no excuses.

[Turkish Green]

Hearts' backroom has always been full of ex-players (like Locke, Naysmith, etc) that know the importance of winning these derby games and can pyche up the players. Robertson, Levein and Jefferies.

[JohnM1875]

Who gives a toss what neutrals think. They’re not the ones that the club need to please if they want people to continue to part with their cash.

Granted folk will say things in the heat of the moment. But at a time when it’s difficult for the club to keep people engaged, results like last night are an absolute hammer blow to their chances of keeping folk on board.

I totally get what you're saying about giving a toss about a neutrals view. We're all Hibs fans and we're all spewing. My point was that they'd have a much more balanced view of yesterday's game.

Folk asking for Ross to be punted is ****ing lunacy.

[Peanut Shaz]

Definitely not wanting Ross to be sacked but it would be good to see him showing emotion on the touchline instead of standing with his hands in his pockets, scowling.

[The Harp Awakes]

Ross who was part of there coaching staff at one point must have been well aware how they treat derbies . The buck stops with the manager

Indeed. When you look at the difference in ability between the 2 teams, that has been 2 awful results and performances in the last 2 derbies, both of which were massive games.

Add in the fact last night that our players had the advantage of game time and sharpness over our rivals, it makes the performance and result even worse.

It's all very well saying after the match that the game was decided by small margins and we were on the wrong end, but really if we were set up correctly in terms of tactics and frame of mind, we had the players to destroy them or at least win comfortably.

JR has done well since he came to Hibs and he's earned himself time to improve us further, but he has come up woefully short in big games. At the end of the day it's in the big games that he will be judged as a success or failure.

[jacomo]

It was a chance to get to a cup final without having to play a Premiership team the whole way through.

We did the same in 2015, where we had the easiest run you could possibly get, would have had Inverness in the final, but blew it.

We can’t cope with being favourites, regardless of who is in charge, who the players are. Ironically, when we did win it we had a far tougher run but even then we’d still blown a league cup final and the play offs. As favourites, obviously.


There may well be something in this.

[Hiber-nation]

I sort of agree with what he said about small margins. We didn't play well in the Boyle game at tynie on Boxing Day but won mainly because hearts had a dreadful keeper in that day. They had far more shots and possession. But that was mainly ignored and all was barry. We played better last night but they had Gordon. I'm not using that as an excuse though.

[#2 Double Tap]

I totally get what you're saying about giving a toss about a neutrals view. We're all Hibs fans and we're all spewing. My point was that they'd have a much more balanced view of yesterday's game.

Folk asking for Ross to be punted is ****ing lunacy.


"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results."

(https://www.thesimpledollar.com/make-money/if-you-want-different-results-you-have-to-try-different-approaches/)

[hibee-boys]

We've rode our luck this season, it ran out last night. Boyle, our main attacking threat, has been honking for weeks and we need the likes of Murphy/Wright/Magennis to get up to speed and contribute.

[hibee-boys]

Time for Jack Ross, and the team, to prove us all wrong by getting a result on Friday night.

[Crab apple]

We lost a great chance to put out our lower league rivals and reach a potentially winnable cup final. Ross has done a lot right this season but I’m still hurting and for me he’s now got a lot to prove.

[bingo70]

Definitely not wanting Ross to be sacked but it would be good to see him showing emotion on the touchline instead of standing with his hands in his pockets, scowling.

I think Ross is a smart guy, sounds like he’s an excellent coach and he’s done well for us this season. He could be standing on the touch line picking his nose and eating the bogies for all I care, that said though, one of my concerns is whether he has that fire in his belly, I’ve certainly never seen it.

He’s done well against the lesser sides but he needs to win a big game soon, his record in these games is terrible.

May be interesting that he seems to have a good relationship with Brendan Rodgers and think it was said the Rodgers speaks very highly of Ross. I think what I described earlier could also be said of BR and Celtic had an awful record in Europe under him in their big games against the better teams. Maybe the calm, methodical approach works well in games you’re expected to win but in games when you need to find that extra 10%, people just doing their jobs isn’t enough.

[bingo70]

We lost a great chance to put out our lower league rivals and reach a potentially winnable cup final. Ross has done a lot right this season but I’m still hurting and for me he’s now got a lot to prove.

Don’t know about a lot to prove but he needs to win a big game soon. The fact Hearts aren’t in this league means the only games he has is Celtic and Rangers which seem unlikely.

Games against Aberdeen don’t fit that category for me, they’re important games but not ‘big games’

[mcfly]

Hearts' backroom has always been full of ex-players (like Locke, Naysmith, etc) that know the importance of winning these derby games and can pyche up the players. Robertson, Levein and Jefferies.

Pointless having our back room staff full of ex players.

They’d all have a shocking derby record. Seems pointless having them in to psyche up players if they couldn’t do for themselves.

If you need psyched up to play a semi final then there’s something wrong with you anyway.

Until jack Ross starts winning BIG games then I’m unconvinced about him.

[Pretty Boy]

The most frustrating thing last night was that after we equalised we should have gone for the kill but we didn't.

We were flat and allowed them to regroup. I'm not sure if that was under instruction but it is a bit of a them under Ross. We rarely seem to really put teams away. He seems quite content to settle for what we have. I don't think we were playing for ET last night but equally I don't think we put it all on the line to avoid it either.

[The 90+2]

Woke up feel sick back to sleep again.

Cheers Jack 👍

[hibee-boys]

Don’t know about a lot to prove but he needs to win a big game soon. The fact Hearts aren’t in this league means the only games he has is Celtic and Rangers which seem unlikely.

Games against Aberdeen don’t fit that category for me, they’re important games but not ‘big games’

I think the Aberdeen games the big games we should be assessing him against, these are the games that will likely determine whether we finish above them. Wins against the olf firm are flukes, even more so this season.

[bingo70]

I think the Aberdeen games the big games we should be assessing him against, these are the games that will likely determine whether we finish above them. Wins against the olf firm are flukes, even more so this season.

I know what you mean but beating Aberdeen are matches that’ll help us finish 3rd, they’d be instantly forgettable though.

Supporting Hibs, we are unlikely to see us winning too much silverware so it’s the big wins in the big games that really make all the bumps in the road worthwhile. Finishing 3rd or 4th doesn’t get the juices flowing for me.

[Borderhibbie76]

Where is the Hibs TV interview from Ross?? Do we just not bother coz we got beat?

[The 90+2]

Where is the Hibs TV interview from Ross?? Do we just not bother coz we got beat?

Just watch the one from when we lost to Hearts last season. It will be the exact same.

[Borderhibbie76]

Just watch the one from when we lost to Hearts last season. It will be the exact same.

I did see a quote online about "fine margins" which made me even angrier tbh so probably for the best. Dont wanna hear any crap excuses from players or management tbh they should be appalled after letting that happen yesterday

[Scotty Leither]

The most frustrating thing last night was that after we equalised we should have gone for the kill but we didn't.

We were flat and allowed them to regroup. I'm not sure if that was under instruction but it is a bit of a them under Ross. We rarely seem to really put teams away. He seems quite content to settle for what we have. I don't think we were playing for ET last night but equally I don't think we put it all on the line to avoid it either.

Yes i'm the same, PB. If Nisbet had scored the penalty it would've been 28/29 minutes of backs to the wall. I get the impression he's the kind of manager who thinks "we start the game with a point"...and I know it was a cup-tie, but if you're culturally cautious, then your team will always be set up that way.

[bingo70]

I did see a quote online about "fine margins" which made me even angrier tbh so probably for the best. Dont wanna hear any crap excuses from players or management tbh they should be appalled after letting that happen yesterday

Don’t think that’s wrong is it?

When you miss a penalty in the second half of extra time and their keeper gets motm I don’t think the suggestion that it’s a game of fine margins is particularly controversial.

When a manager is doing badly and close to being under pressure, or under pressure already everything they say gets over scrutinised and twisted against them.

Are we at that stage with Ross already?

[HFC 0-7]

Don’t think that’s wrong is it?

When you miss a penalty in the second half of extra time and their keeper gets motm I don’t think the suggestion that it’s a game of fine margins is particularly controversial.

When a manager is doing badly and close to being under pressure, or under pressure already everything they say gets over scrutinised and twisted against them.

Are we at that stage with Ross already?

Fine margins is not why we got beat though. The reason we got beat are because we didn’t play particularly well, missed chances because we were not clinical, didn’t have the bottle and for me tactics wise we didn’t look to change the game when it was going against us, or, push for a winner. A game can easily be lost and be classed as ‘fine margins’ , the real question is, why was it fine margins.

[Stevie Reid]

Don’t think that’s wrong is it?

When you miss a penalty in the second half of extra time and their keeper gets motm I don’t think the suggestion that it’s a game of fine margins is particularly controversial.

When a manager is doing badly and close to being under pressure, or under pressure already everything they say gets over scrutinised and twisted against them.

Are we at that stage with Ross already?

Totally agree. I don’t have much issue with the performance yesterday, was always going to be a difficult game, and we created enough clear cut chances to win.

I’d like to have seen us impose ourselves more than we did, but the fine margins comment is a fair one.

[B.H.F.C]

The most frustrating thing last night was that after we equalised we should have gone for the kill but we didn't.

We were flat and allowed them to regroup. I'm not sure if that was under instruction but it is a bit of a them under Ross. We rarely seem to really put teams away. He seems quite content to settle for what we have. I don't think we were playing for ET last night but equally I don't think we put it all on the line to avoid it either.

Agree with this. You can even look at the derby we won last year under him. We had a chance to really give them a doing on their own pitch. They were there for the taking but we opted to sit back completely in the centre half, clearly under instruction received at half time. Granted, we won the game but we did let them of the hook that day and I’m not sure it would be the case if roles were reversed.

Ross has certainly improved us but the quality of opposition in the league is as poor as it’s been for a while as well. I think we can be quite a boring watch as well.

[The 90+2]

Fine margins is not why we got beat though. The reason we got beat are because we didn’t play particularly well, missed chances because we were not clinical, didn’t have the bottle and for me tactics wise we didn’t look to change the game when it was going against us, or, push for a winner. A game can easily be lost and be classed as ‘fine margins’ , the real question is, why was it fine margins.

Spot on.

[The 90+2]

Totally agree. I don’t have much issue with the performance yesterday, was always going to be a difficult game, and we created enough clear cut chances to win.

I’d like to have seen us impose ourselves more than we did, but the fine margins comment is a fair one.

We where crap. They where actually worse and we failed to take advantage of that.

Yesterday was the worst hearts side we will ever play at Hampden and we lost. That’s reality.

[bingo70]

Fine margins is not why we got beat though. The reason we got beat are because we didn’t play particularly well, missed chances because we were not clinical, didn’t have the bottle and for me tactics wise we didn’t look to change the game when it was going against us, or, push for a winner. A game can easily be lost and be classed as ‘fine margins’ , the real question is, why was it fine margins.

Must have done alright tk create the chances we weren’t clinical with?

If we were sitting bottom of the league I’d agree with you bye the way. In a one off game when we’ve missed chances, missed a penalty and also made a complete arse of decent opportunities then I think it’s fair enough.

I’m not saying Ross is blameless and I’m certainly not a fan of the football we’ve played under him for the most part but I think if we’d taken half of our good chances last night we’d have been praising the manager today, missing good chances isn’t his fault in a one off game. If there was a pattern of it happening all the time I would think it would be a fairer criticism of the manager.

[Scotty Leither]

Don’t think that’s wrong is it?

When you miss a penalty in the second half of extra time and their keeper gets motm I don’t think the suggestion that it’s a game of fine margins is particularly controversial.

When a manager is doing badly and close to being under pressure, or under pressure already everything they say gets over scrutinised and twisted against them.

Are we at that stage with Ross already?

I don't think he's under pressure with regard to losing his job, but if a Hibs manager loses a semi-final to a lower league team then he's going to come under scrutiny; it's amplified ten-fold because it was at the hands of the fur coat and nae knickers mob.

That's what comes with the gig...and one last point about "pressure" is that it seems sometimes to me that the Hibs Board don't like getting scrutinised much either - it took an eternity to sack the last incumbent, and we hung off doing that until a 2-5 reverse to Celtic in another semi-final (not as I say i'm advocating sacking Ross, nothing like it).

[B.H.F.C]

Don’t think that’s wrong is it?

When you miss a penalty in the second half of extra time and their keeper gets motm I don’t think the suggestion that it’s a game of fine margins is particularly controversial.

When a manager is doing badly and close to being under pressure, or under pressure already everything they say gets over scrutinised and twisted against them.

Are we at that stage with Ross already?

Ross would have been better had that competition been cancelled. A loss was always going to provoke that type of reaction towards him. It’s a huge setback for him IMO. Losing the big games are why he got the bullet at Sunderland. It’ll cost him here as well if he doesn’t change that trend (I’m not saying it should cost him now by the way).

[bingo70]

We where crap. They where actually worse and we failed to take advantage of that.

Yesterday was the worst hearts side we will ever play at Hampden and we lost. That’s reality.

I don’t understand how people get were and where mixed up, they don’t even sound the same?!

Sorry, I know picking up spelling mistakes is poor form so I apologise 90+2, I just couldn’t stop myself from mentioning it after reading it a few times.

I should maybe take this post to the Pet Hate thread in the dug out.

(Feel free to pick me up on any of my spelling or grammar errors, sure there’s plenty)

[bingo70]

Ross would have been better had that competition been cancelled. A loss was always going to provoke that type of reaction towards him. It’s a huge setback for him IMO. Losing the big games are why he got the bullet at Sunderland. It’ll cost him here as well if he doesn’t change that trend (I’m not saying it should cost him now by the way).

Agree completely.

[Heisenberg]

Derek McInnes has continually lost big games at Hampden and against the Old Firm yet his club haven’t sacked him because gets the job done in the league. If Ross has us 3rd/4th this season then it’s a great start and good place to build from.

We need a better squad for a start, outside the regular eleven we have nothing on the bench. Hearts had way better options off the bench than us last night.

[bingo70]

Derek McInnes has continually lost big games at Hampden and against the Old Firm yet his club haven’t sacked him because gets the job done in the league. If Ross has us 3rd/4th this season then it’s a great start and good place to build from.

We need a better squad for a start, outside the regular eleven we have nothing on the bench. Hearts had way better options off the bench than us last night.

That’s my concern.

We seem to be copying the Derek Mcinnes blue print from Aberdeen and while I can see why Ross wants to replicate that, it looks horrendous to watch.

[The 90+2]

I don’t understand how people get were and where mixed up, they don’t even sound the same?!

Sorry, I know picking up spelling mistakes is poor form so I apologise 90+2, I just couldn’t stop myself from mentioning it after reading it a few times.

I should maybe take this post to the Pet Hate thread in the dug out.

(Feel free to pick me up on any of my spelling or grammar errors, sure there’s plenty)

It’s no bother mate, I’m too hungover to even look back or argue 😄

[Stevie Reid]

We where crap. They where actually worse and we failed to take advantage of that.

Yesterday was the worst hearts side we will ever play at Hampden and we lost. That’s reality.

If you’d read any of the dozens of posts I made on here and on the PM board last night you’ll have seen how pig sick I was at the result. It was all that mattered, and we lost the game.

I don’t think Ross’ comment about it being lost in the fine margins is an unfair assessment, though. They way we played should have been enough to win the game.

[Pretty Boy]

Derek McInnes has continually lost big games at Hampden and against the Old Firm yet his club haven’t sacked him because gets the job done in the league. If Ross has us 3rd/4th this season then it’s a great start and good place to build from.

We need a better squad for a start, outside the regular eleven we have nothing on the bench. Hearts had way better options off the bench than us last night.

A decent number of the Aberdeen fans would have McIness out though. I know a fair few Aberdeen fans from living there and those that like him are a minority.

I'm not saying I think they are correct or that I want Ross out but losing big games in competitions you actually have a chance of winning will always provoke a huge reaction. Finishing 3rd or 4th in the league just doesn't have the same emotional impact as winning a cup.

[neil7908]

The most frustrating thing last night was that after we equalised we should have gone for the kill but we didn't.

We were flat and allowed them to regroup. I'm not sure if that was under instruction but it is a bit of a them under Ross. We rarely seem to really put teams away. He seems quite content to settle for what we have. I don't think we were playing for ET last night but equally I don't think we put it all on the line to avoid it either.

This was a common criticism of Ross at Sunderland - they struggled to kill off teams and would usually sit on a single goal lead trying to kill the game. Even against weaker opposition. In his time at Hibs I haven't seen much to dispel that.

We seem to start games really well and then start flagging. Not just yesterday but a number of others times this season.

[neil7908]

A decent number of the Aberdeen fans would have McIness out though. I know a fair few Aberdeen fans from living there and those that like him are a minority.

I'm not saying I think they are correct or that I want Ross out but losing big games in competitions you actually have a chance of winning will always provoke a huge reaction. Finishing 3rd or 4th in the league just doesn't have the same emotional impact as winning a cup.

This. I honestly couldn't tell you how many 3rd or 4th place finishes we've had in my nearly 30 years following Hibs. I can easily tell you how many cups we've won, what the score was, what date etc.

This isn't England where 4th gets you into the Champions League and huge money. 4th will likely see us play 1,2 or 3 rounds in Europe.

I'm absolutely not saying that every Hibs manager needs to win a cup but there is a reason Stubbs name will live on at the club.

[HFC 0-7]

Must have done alright tk create the chances we weren’t clinical with?

If we were sitting bottom of the league I’d agree with you bye the way. In a one off game when we’ve missed chances, missed a penalty and also made a complete arse of decent opportunities then I think it’s fair enough.

I’m not saying Ross is blameless and I’m certainly not a fan of the football we’ve played under him for the most part but I think if we’d taken half of our good chances last night we’d have been praising the manager today, missing good chances isn’t his fault in a one off game. If there was a pattern of it happening all the time I would think it would be a fairer criticism of the manager.

You can always find positives if you look hard enough which I think you have done. The results stay the same. Making chances means nothing if you can’t take them. The concerns about these types of matches is the bottle, the mentality of the players going in, the quality of the players and the tactics and the outset and during. We never imposed ourselves in that match. Fine margins is just an excuse that gets trotted out when both sides had chances and and your side isn’t good enough. My point in this, it shouldn’t have come down to fine margins.

[jeffers]

You can always find positives if you look hard enough which I think you have done. The results stay the same. Making chances means nothing if you can’t take them. The concerns about these types of matches is the bottle, the mentality of the players going in, the quality of the players and the tactics and the outset and during. We never imposed ourselves in that match. Fine margins is just an excuse that gets trotted out when both sides had chances and and your side isn’t good enough. My point in this, it shouldn’t have come down to fine margins.

Absolutely. Let’s not forget the majority of the the team who beat us last night were part of the team who finished bottom of the league last season and were rightly relegated.

[Potty78]

Woke up feel sick back to sleep again.

Cheers Jack 👍
Me too, but thanks Nesbit no?Score from 12 yards we win🤔

[stantonhibby]

Me too, but thanks Nesbit no?Score from 12 yards we win🤔

It's Nisbet ffs

[Potty78]

It's Nisbet ffs
Sorry my mistake👍🏻

[stantonhibby]

Sorry my mistake👍🏻

👍

[cmcd]

Get him to ****

Pathetic post you obviously haven't been to many Derby games

[erin go bragh]

2016 and the way it panned out has definitely changed my perspective.
Had it not happened, yesterday would have been unimaginable.
But now it’s them that haven’t won the cup since 2012 . We are the last team to win a trophy since Celtic’s domination.
Yes our Hampden record against them is brutal. Lost three ,albeit one after extra time . But they were winning 2-0 at home and we came back , knocked them out and went in to win it .
Let them have their day in their man caves .

[MWHIBBIES]

2016 and the way it panned out has definitely changed my perspective.
Had it not happened, yesterday would have been unimaginable.
But now it’s them that haven’t won the cup since 2012 . We are the last team to win a trophy since Celtic’s domination.
Yes our Hampden record against them is brutal. Lost three ,albeit one after extra time . But they were winning 2-0 at home and we came back , knocked them out and went in to win it .
Let them have their day in their man caves .

They hammered us twice and won it. I think they've got the upper hand, don't you?

[Bobby's Cinema]

The most frustrating thing last night was that after we equalised we should have gone for the kill but we didn't.

We were flat and allowed them to regroup. I'm not sure if that was under instruction but it is a bit of a them under Ross. We rarely seem to really put teams away. He seems quite content to settle for what we have. I don't think we were playing for ET last night but equally I don't think we put it all on the line to avoid it either.
Sorry, but we had Murphy, Boyle, Doidge & Nisbet all on the park.

Nisbet misses a penalty, Gordon pulling off saves, and first half we dominated the play with Hearts not looking a threat AT ALL.

There is little a manager an do at times from the sidelines with players taking poor touches and making countless incredible poor decisions in the final third with wide open spaces to play in to.

Our forward players could and should have won us the game. But Didn't.

[jacomo]

Sorry, but we had Murphy, Boyle, Doidge & Nisbet all on the park.

Nisbet misses a penalty, Gordon pulling off saves, and first half we dominated the play with Hearts not looking a threat AT ALL.

There is little a manager an do at times from the sidelines with players taking poor touches and making countless incredible poor decisions in the final third with wide open spaces to play in to.

Our forward players could and should have won us the game. But Didn't.


All true but we should have made that first half dominance count imo. Yes Gordon pulled off an excellent save but we needed leaders to really ramp up the pressure and make sure we scored at least once before the break.

I’m keeping things in perspective but this team has a long way to go. A very disappointing result, because we should have won.

[J-C]

This was a common criticism of Ross at Sunderland - they struggled to kill off teams and would usually sit on a single goal lead trying to kill the game. Even against weaker opposition. In his time at Hibs I haven't seen much to dispel that.

We seem to start games really well and then start flagging. Not just yesterday but a number of others times this season.


It's hard to get a manager that does both attack and defend well, they are few and far between, we've wanted to be harder to beat for a while but usually that means not being as good on the eye. I have no idea what Ross's tactics are and what he actually says to the players but they do look to be playing well within themselves.

[Hermit Crab]

Its not just jack ross that should be getting the players up for it, the team captain needs to do his bit. Hanlon doesn't do any of that on the park, never captain material and his comment regarding it as just another game proves my point. Untouchable on here though.

[J-C]

Its not just jack ross that should be getting the players up for it, the team captain needs to do his bit. Hanlon doesn't do any of that on the park, never captain material and his comment regarding it as just another game proves my point. Untouchable on here though.


I like Paul but he's no captain that's for sure, nice lad and Hibs in his blood but he's too quiet to influence on the pitch. It has to be said that no on that pitch yesterday looked anything like captain material, no real leader amongst them, really missing McGregor or Gray for their leadership.

[Hermit Crab]

I like Paul but he's no captain that's for sure, nice lad and Hibs in his blood but he's too quiet to influence on the pitch. It has to be said that no on that pitch yesterday looked anything like captain material, no real leader amongst them, really missing McGregor or Gray for their leadership.


Thats the thing, you never see him having a go or players at trying to get them up for it, you never see him nipping the ref like Naismith does and like it or not, it does influence refs decisions at times. He's far too soft imo.

[truehibernian]

Thats the thing, you never see him having a go or players at trying to get them up for it, you never see him nipping the ref like Naismith does and like it or not, it does influence refs decisions at times. He's far too soft imo.

I agree :agree: not captain material, good player however and can't fault his form currently, he's been in the main excellent. Not a leader on the pitch though.

[easty]

I like Paul but he's no captain that's for sure, nice lad and Hibs in his blood but he's too quiet to influence on the pitch. It has to be said that no on that pitch yesterday looked anything like captain material, no real leader amongst them, really missing McGregor or Gray for their leadership.

I’ve seen Hibs lose to them with both Gray and McGregor in the team. Where was this “captain material” then?

I’ve also seen Hibs drag ourselves from 2-0 down at Tiny thanks in no small part to Paul Hanlon.

The captain is captain because he has the respect of the players and management. They’re dependable. They communicate. They lead by example, and Paul Hanlons been doing that this season, he’s been mostly solid. They don’t need to be a John Terry or Roy Keane or Neil Lennon, screaming at everyone to be doing it right. 11 professional footballers take the field for Hibs, if they arent motivated then they shouldn’t be here.

I’m just really bored reading how we struggle with Hanlon as captain, when it’s never the reason we lose.

[The 90+2]

2016 and the way it panned out has definitely changed my perspective.
Had it not happened, yesterday would have been unimaginable.
But now it’s them that haven’t won the cup since 2012 . We are the last team to win a trophy since Celtic’s domination.
Yes our Hampden record against them is brutal. Lost three ,albeit one after extra time . But they were winning 2-0 at home and we came back , knocked them out and went in to win it .
Let them have their day in their man caves .

Stop talking *****. They win big games. Stop trying to make excuses.

[MWHIBBIES]

Thats the thing, you never see him having a go or players at trying to get them up for it, you never see him nipping the ref like Naismith does and like it or not, it does influence refs decisions at times. He's far too soft imo.

This old chestnut. He actually spoke to the ref plenty of times. When have Gray and McGregor ever had a go at teammates? There is a reason Paul starts every game and those 2 are league cup players now

[Hiber-nation]

This old chestnut. He actually spoke to the ref plenty of times. When have Gray and McGregor ever had a go at teammates? There is a reason Paul starts every game and those 2 are league cup players now

I know what you mean but I remember McGregor getting a lot of stick on here for the slaughtering he was continually giving Efe Ambrose at tynie when Efe was having one of his "switched off" days at RB.

As I've said before, I think we miss an arrogant sort in these games, like Cummings or Bartley rather then a moaner.

[matty_f]

I’ve seen Hibs lose to them with both Gray and McGregor in the team. Where was this “captain material” then?

I’ve also seen Hibs drag ourselves from 2-0 down at Tiny thanks in no small part to Paul Hanlon.

The captain is captain because he has the respect of the players and management. They’re dependable. They communicate. They lead by example, and Paul Hanlons been doing that this season, he’s been mostly solid. They don’t need to be a John Terry or Roy Keane or Neil Lennon, screaming at everyone to be doing it right. 11 professional footballers take the field for Hibs, if they arent motivated then they shouldn’t be here.

I’m just really bored reading how we struggle with Hanlon as captain, when it’s never the reason we lose.

So much to like about this post. :agree:

[lord bunberry]

It’s way too early to say that Ross can’t win the big games. Last season he was just in the door and he didn’t have that many big games and this season we’ve only played everyone once. I’ll reserve judgment on his big game record until we’ve completed the season.

[MWHIBBIES]

I know what you mean but I remember McGregor getting a lot of stick on here for the slaughtering he was continually giving Efe Ambrose at tynie when Efe was having one of his "switched off" days at RB.

As I've said before, I think we miss an arrogant sort in these games, like Cummings or Bartley rather then a moaner.

Definitely Cummings. Should have brought him back just for beating them. He would 100% have scored on Saturday

[JimBHibees]

It’s way too early to say that Ross can’t win the big games. Last season he was just in the door and he didn’t have that many big games and this season we’ve only played everyone once. I’ll reserve judgment on his big game record until we’ve completed the season.

Agree

[Callum_62]

Definitely Cummings. Should have brought him back just for beating them. He would 100% have scored on SaturdayThe Jason Cummings who has 4 goals in 29 games in league one?

Or 11 goals in 56 games in league 1 total

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[RossScott1991]

Jack Ross has beat Aberdeen 3.0 and Hearts 2.0 at Tynecastle. Are these ones just being completely dismissed ?

Albeit we’ve had a couple of doings by rangers but the last performance against Rangers was a massive improvement since he first took charge.

Games vs Celtic are always tough and we haven’t won at Celtic park for what 13 years ?

[Michael]

Can anyone name one Hibs manager who consistently won the big games?

Only Celtic, Rangers or Alex Ferguson's Aberdeen have a decent record.

[MWHIBBIES]

The Jason Cummings who has 4 goals in 29 games in league one?

Or 11 goals in 56 games in league 1 total

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Na, the one with 5 goals in 8 derbies.

[MWHIBBIES]

Can anyone name one Hibs manager who consistently won the big games?

Only Celtic, Rangers or Alex Ferguson's Aberdeen have a decent record.

I can name a few who didn't consistently lose them.

[HFC93]

I've not got the energy to read through this whole thread so apologies on advance if someone has already made this point. What I feel Jack Ross has done well is he has us winning against the teams we should be beating. I felt Lennon had us us up for 'big games' but often lost stupid games. It's a difficult balance to strike. Derek McInnes has been excellent at Aberdeen IMO and has achieved a real level of consistency but he has also been accused of bottling it on the big occasions. I don't think their is a simple solution.

[JimBHibees]

I can name a few who didn't consistently lose them.

Has he constantly lost them? Has only been here a year and still trying to build his team from the Hecky shambles. Has beaten Aberdeen, beaten Hearts at tynecastle, drew with high flying Rangers in that time and has won more points I think than any other team outwith the obvious two.

[JimBHibees]

Jack Ross has beat Aberdeen 3.0 and Hearts 2.0 at Tynecastle. Are these ones just being completely dismissed ?

Albeit we’ve had a couple of doings by rangers but the last performance against Rangers was a massive improvement since he first took charge.

Games vs Celtic are always tough and we haven’t won at Celtic park for what 13 years ?

Agree with that.

[Smartie]

He's got a big game this Friday to start making amends.

[Tyler Durden]

Friday makes no difference to me at the moment. Been behind Ross from the start but any manager who loses big derbies like the weekend is going to lose some goodwill.

Could take some time to put that right unfortunately.

[Smartie]

Friday makes no difference to me at the moment. Been behind Ross from the start but any manager who loses big derbies like the weekend is going to lose some goodwill.

Could take some time to put that right unfortunately.

I don’t disagree but a game against who are probably our biggest direct footballing rivals for 3rd place this season is still a big one.

He doesn’t undo last week by any means but he can stick something in the “big game success” column.

Or he could add fuel to the fire...

[BSEJVT]

Friday makes no difference to me at the moment. Been behind Ross from the start but any manager who loses big derbies like the weekend is going to lose some goodwill.

Could take some time to put that right unfortunately.

Losing isn't the issue or at least the majority of the issue.

Losing to good teams and putting a bit of effort in isn't grand but it happens.

Losing to truly **** teams and barely laying a glove on them is a huge issue.

Doing so in significant games is a calamity.

Doing so repeatedly when you have every advantage denied to your predecessors is a hanging offence.

[Hibiza]

Who knows what Jack Ross said at half time. Needless to say it done no good whatsoever.

[B.H.F.C]

Who knows what Jack Ross said at half time. Needless to say it done no good whatsoever.

We actually started the second half positively. Then they made the double sub after ten minutes and we lost the control we had. We were always going to need the first goal the other night and as soon as we didn’t get it you knew we were in trouble.

[Jones28]

I’ve seen Hibs lose to them with both Gray and McGregor in the team. Where was this “captain material” then?

I’ve also seen Hibs drag ourselves from 2-0 down at Tiny thanks in no small part to Paul Hanlon.

The captain is captain because he has the respect of the players and management. They’re dependable. They communicate. They lead by example, and Paul Hanlons been doing that this season, he’s been mostly solid. They don’t need to be a John Terry or Roy Keane or Neil Lennon, screaming at everyone to be doing it right. 11 professional footballers take the field for Hibs, if they arent motivated then they shouldn’t be here.

I’m just really bored reading how we struggle with Hanlon as captain, when it’s never the reason we lose.

Well said easty.

[Blackfordhibby]

Perhaps I have missed it.....a damned good chance of that. But has anyone seen or know where I can find any post match interview with Jack Ross. There is probably a dozen and a half links on the site that I can't find.

[jeffers]

Perhaps I have missed it.....a damned good chance of that. But has anyone seen or know where I can find any post match interview with Jack Ross. There is probably a dozen and a half links on the site that I can't find.

I only saw one on Twitter, he just talked about fine margins and how there was no point discussing the penalty incidents as it wouldn’t change the result. A brief mention that KN had had a difficult week or words to that effect.

[Blackfordhibby]

I only saw one on Twitter, he just talked about fine margins and how there was no point discussing the penalty incidents as it wouldn’t change the result. A brief mention that KN had had a difficult week or words to that effect.

Ah! Thanks for that, thought he'd found the NL bolt hole and was giving it a couple o' days.

[JimBHibees]

Perhaps I have missed it.....a damned good chance of that. But has anyone seen or know where I can find any post match interview with Jack Ross. There is probably a dozen and a half links on the site that I can't find.

You usually get it on hibs TV you tube but not on it as usually look at it.

[JimBHibees]

I only saw one on Twitter, he just talked about fine margins and how there was no point discussing the penalty incidents as it wouldn’t change the result. A brief mention that KN had had a difficult week or words to that effect.

I think we absolutely should be highlighting appalling game changing decisions

[Brightside]

I think we absolutely should be highlighting appalling game changing decisions

Not when we had 2 that went our way.

[JimBHibees]

Not when we had 2 that went our way.

What two? Doidge offside not for me. Biggest decision in the game was the injury time pen.

[The 90+2]

What two? Doidge offside not for me. Biggest decision in the game was the injury time pen.

True. That was the only clear cut pen and it wasn’t given.

[Brightside]

What two? Doidge offside not for me. Biggest decision in the game was the injury time pen.

The pen for us and the offside. We got the rub of the green with them. Their pen wasnt a pen either. We should have got a pen tho when Doidge and Boyle were fouled.

[Stuart93]

Losing isn't the issue or at least the majority of the issue.

Losing to good teams and putting a bit of effort in isn't grand but it happens.

Losing to truly **** teams and barely laying a glove on them is a huge issue.

Doing so in significant games is a calamity.

Doing so repeatedly when you have every advantage denied to your predecessors is a hanging offence.

Surely you’re not referring to the game at the weekend against them as “barely laying a glove on them”?

I’m as pissed off as the next person about getting beat again but I’d say we done more than lay a glove on them.

[BSEJVT]

Surely you’re not referring to the game at the weekend against them as “barely laying a glove on them”?

I’m as pissed off as the next person about getting beat again but I’d say we done more than lay a glove on them.

They had as many clear cut chances as we did, we should have totally dominated that game but fell completely out of it when they brought on Naismith & Haring

We had every advantage in the book going into that game and ****ed it up royally.

Ask yourself what the situation would have been if the boot was on the other foot. 4-0 & 5-1 will give you a clue.

The last 2 defeats to them have hurt me more than anything in the preceding 58 years and I am totally fed up with it.

If Ross can't understand what that game means to the support and /or cant impress upon the players what is required in such games he is absolutely no use to us whatsoever.

I couldn't give a rats arse if he takes us to 3rd in the league or higher (ho ho ho)

The construction of the squad is a joke and he is responsible for that, we had murphy who could have potentially changed the game and ........

He has brought Hallberg on in virtually every game this season and when we were getting overrun in midfield didn't, he is a bottle merchant who panicked in the face of adversity and got found out. His record shows previous for doing so.

He cant GTF quick enough for me

[Stuart93]

They had as many clear cut chances as we did, we should have totally dominated that game but fell completely out of it when they brought on Naismith & Haring

We had every advantage in the book going into that game and ****ed it up royally.

Ask yourself what the situation would have been if the boot was on the other foot. 4-0 & 5-1 will give you a clue.

The last 2 defeats to them have hurt me more than anything in the preceding 58 years and I am totally fed up with it.

If Ross can't understand what that game means to the support and /or cant impress upon the players what is required in such games he is absolutely no use to us whatsoever.

I couldn't give a rats arse if he takes us to 3rd in the league or higher (ho ho ho)

The construction of the squad is a joke and he is responsible for that, we had murphy who could have potentially changed the game and ........

He has brought Hallberg on in virtually every game this season and when we were getting overrun in midfield didn't, he is a bottle merchant who panicked in the face of adversity and got found out. His record shows previous for doing so.

He cant GTF quick enough for me

So judging by the last line of your rant there you also want Jack Ross out?

That’s where I leave this argument.

[HFC93]

They had as many clear cut chances as we did, we should have totally dominated that game but fell completely out of it when they brought on Naismith & Haring

We had every advantage in the book going into that game and ****ed it up royally.

Ask yourself what the situation would have been if the boot was on the other foot. 4-0 & 5-1 will give you a clue.

The last 2 defeats to them have hurt me more than anything in the preceding 58 years and I am totally fed up with it.

If Ross can't understand what that game means to the support and /or cant impress upon the players what is required in such games he is absolutely no use to us whatsoever.

I couldn't give a rats arse if he takes us to 3rd in the league or higher (ho ho ho)

The construction of the squad is a joke and he is responsible for that, we had murphy who could have potentially changed the game and ........

He has brought Hallberg on in virtually every game this season and when we were getting overrun in midfield didn't, he is a bottle merchant who panicked in the face of adversity and got found out. His record shows previous for doing so.

He cant GTF quick enough for me

Madness.

[Heisenberg]

Where has this sudden “I don’t care about 3rd/4th place” attitude come from? I find it bizarre.

[Andy74]

Where has this sudden “I don’t care about 3rd/4th place” attitude come from? I find it bizarre.

Agree I think it is only by doing that regularly and getting as far as you can in Europe that leads to being able to sustain the growth of the team and the club in general.

We’ve rarely finished in those positions in all my time watching Hibs.

[flash]

They had as many clear cut chances as we did, we should have totally dominated that game but fell completely out of it when they brought on Naismith & Haring

We had every advantage in the book going into that game and ****ed it up royally.

Ask yourself what the situation would have been if the boot was on the other foot. 4-0 & 5-1 will give you a clue.

The last 2 defeats to them have hurt me more than anything in the preceding 58 years and I am totally fed up with it.

If Ross can't understand what that game means to the support and /or cant impress upon the players what is required in such games he is absolutely no use to us whatsoever.

I couldn't give a rats arse if he takes us to 3rd in the league or higher (ho ho ho)

The construction of the squad is a joke and he is responsible for that, we had murphy who could have potentially changed the game and ........

He has brought Hallberg on in virtually every game this season and when we were getting overrun in midfield didn't, he is a bottle merchant who panicked in the face of adversity and got found out. His record shows previous for doing so.

He cant GTF quick enough for me
Decent contender for worst post of the week and that's saying something.

[jeffers]

Where has this sudden “I don’t care about 3rd/4th place” attitude come from? I find it bizarre.

It’s how we achieve it that concerns me. I appreciate for some that it doesn’t matter, but I wouldn’t enjoy watching Aberdeen every week even if we emulated their league success. When we finished 4th under Lennon I wasn’t bitterly disappointed that we hadn’t been 2nd or 3rd because the football I was watching was exciting, I looked forward to every game, not something I can say under JR so far.

[Tyler Durden]

Where has this sudden “I don’t care about 3rd/4th place” attitude come from? I find it bizarre.

Mines has come from a very childish place of being totally despondent about the semi final.

Another 24 hours and I’ll be back to looking forward to Fridays game I think.

[The 90+2]

Agree I think it is only by doing that regularly and getting as far as you can in Europe that leads to being able to sustain the growth of the team and the club in general.

We’ve rarely finished in those positions in all my time watching Hibs.

When does any club outside Glasgow grown by finishing in Europe?

Third and Fourth this season is qualifying for the new Poundland Europe cup too if Celtic or Rangers don’t win the Cup.

Getting to cup finals and beating rivals helps the club grow miles more than playing a team from Cyprus in June.

[Heisenberg]

It’s how we achieve it that concerns me. I appreciate for some that it doesn’t matter, but I wouldn’t enjoy watching Aberdeen every week even if we emulated their league success. When we finished 4th under Lennon I wasn’t bitterly disappointed that we hadn’t been 2nd or 3rd because the football I was watching was exciting, I looked forward to every game, not something I can say under JR so far.

Yeah I’m one of those that doesn’t really care how we do it anymore. If Hibs win I’m happy.

[jeffers]

Yeah I’m one of those that doesn’t really care how we do it anymore. If Hibs win I’m happy.

That’s fair enough and it’s a viewpoint I totally understand but I’d prefer to see us do well while being entertained in the process.

[The 90+2]

That’s fair enough and it’s a viewpoint I totally understand but I’d prefer to see us do well while being entertained in the process.

If we are going to still get pumped off hearts then I agree. But I wouldn’t care how we play if we play *****, finish third and turn them over when it matters the majority of the time.

[J-C]

I dont mind getting a few wins through grit and determination but not 4 out of 5 games. I still want to see flair, expression and exciting football, that was always the Hibs way.

[BSEJVT]

Decent contender for worst post of the week and that's saying something.

Why

What is factually inaccurate?

Finishing 3rd or 4th in a very poor league doesn't excite me at all when compared to the damage of a defeat against the worst hearts team and squad I remember.

What about all the pre-game chat about how few if any of their team would get in ours?

For the first time probably in 40 years we went into that game with clearly the better players, with the advantage of x more competitive games than them, the only way we could have tilted the playing field more in our direction was to make them play blindfolded and we ****ed it up.

But it is okay because we will finish 3rd or 4th. Is it ****

I get that I will be in a minority that want Ross gone, but so many folk on here treat this like a hiccup, a small miss step it is a disaster.

[jeffers]

Why

What is factually inaccurate?

Finishing 3rd or 4th in a very poor league doesn't excite me at all when compared to the damage of a defeat against the worst hearts team and squad I remember.

What about all the pre-game chat about how few if any of their team would get in ours?

For the first time probably in 40 years we went into that game with clearly the better players, with the advantage of x more competitive games than them, the only way we could have tilted the playing field more in our direction was to make them play blindfolded and we ****ed it up.

But it is okay because we will finish 3rd or 4th. Is it ****

I get that I will be in a minority that want Ross gone, but so many folk on here treat this like a hiccup, a small miss step it is a disaster.

I agree with you apart from wanting Ross gone.

[Lago]

I agree with you apart from wanting Ross gone.
This

[h1bs4life]

Why

What is factually inaccurate?

Finishing 3rd or 4th in a very poor league doesn't excite me at all when compared to the damage of a defeat against the worst hearts team and squad I remember.

What about all the pre-game chat about how few if any of their team would get in ours?

For the first time probably in 40 years we went into that game with clearly the better players, with the advantage of x more competitive games than them, the only way we could have tilted the playing field more in our direction was to make them play blindfolded and we ****ed it up.

But it is okay because we will finish 3rd or 4th. Is it ****

I get that I will be in a minority that want Ross gone, but so many folk on here treat this like a hiccup, a small miss step it is a disaster.

Agree with you apart from wanting Ross gone although I would hope Ron Gordon's letting him know it's unacceptable .
Spot on with the last bit about folk treating it like a hiccup , a small miss step.
Could better handle it if it was one off but it's par for the course in the big Derby's

[B.H.F.C]

Why

What is factually inaccurate?

Finishing 3rd or 4th in a very poor league doesn't excite me at all when compared to the damage of a defeat against the worst hearts team and squad I remember.

What about all the pre-game chat about how few if any of their team would get in ours?

For the first time probably in 40 years we went into that game with clearly the better players, with the advantage of x more competitive games than them, the only way we could have tilted the playing field more in our direction was to make them play blindfolded and we ****ed it up.

But it is okay because we will finish 3rd or 4th. Is it ****

I get that I will be in a minority that want Ross gone, but so many folk on here treat this like a hiccup, a small miss step it is a disaster.

I am another in agreement with this apart from the bit about getting rid of Ross. We’re still in a position to have a good season. We are well positioned to qualify for Europe through the league which doesn’t happen very often. We still have two trophies to play for. But he needs to start delivering when bigger games come round.

[loanheadhibby]

Every time we have played Hearts recently, it’s their worst team/squad ever, yet we very rarely deliver against them. Maybe they deserve a bit credit. Their players are every bit as good and in some cases, better than ours.

They sadly prove it time and again.

[erin go bragh]

Every time we have played Hearts recently, it’s their worst team/squad ever, yet we very rarely deliver against them. Maybe they deserve a bit credit. Their players are every bit as good and in some cases, better than ours.

They sadly prove it time and again.

Back to back wins at the PBS would maybe say otherwise. If they were better or as good , they wouldn’t be playing in the championship.

[JimBHibees]

Every time we have played Hearts recently, it’s their worst team/squad ever, yet we very rarely deliver against them. Maybe they deserve a bit credit. Their players are every bit as good and in some cases, better than ours.

They sadly prove it time and again.

They don't really.

[loanheadhibby]

Back to back wins at the PBS would maybe say otherwise. If they were better or as good , they wouldn’t be playing in the championship.

I’m not necessarily talking over the whole season. If we were to play them at weekend again, it’s very likely they would win. Played us twice at Easter Road last season and won twice. Got wins over us in 3 of last 4 sadly. Individually and collectively, they have our number.

[Scorrie]

Perhaps I have missed it.....a damned good chance of that. But has anyone seen or know where I can find any post match interview with Jack Ross. There is probably a dozen and a half links on the site that I can't find.

There was one on the BBC Scottish football website

[The 90+2]

I agree with you apart from wanting Ross gone.

Me too.

[Dmas]

Why

What is factually inaccurate?

Finishing 3rd or 4th in a very poor league doesn't excite me at all when compared to the damage of a defeat against the worst hearts team and squad I remember.

What about all the pre-game chat about how few if any of their team would get in ours?

For the first time probably in 40 years we went into that game with clearly the better players, with the advantage of x more competitive games than them, the only way we could have tilted the playing field more in our direction was to make them play blindfolded and we ****ed it up.

But it is okay because we will finish 3rd or 4th. Is it ****

I get that I will be in a minority that want Ross gone, but so many folk on here treat this like a hiccup, a small miss step it is a disaster.

Agree with all this, great post BSEJVT

[neil7908]

Every time we have played Hearts recently, it’s their worst team/squad ever, yet we very rarely deliver against them. Maybe they deserve a bit credit. Their players are every bit as good and in some cases, better than ours.

They sadly prove it time and again.

But that isn't true this time. They are in a league below us for a reason.

Yes they've signed a few decent players over the summer which will have certainly helped them. But the bulk of their squad was comfortably bottom of the league last season. And for good reason.

They just scrapped a 1-0 against Arbroath the previous match.

[Biggie]

But that isn't true this time. They are in a league below us for a reason.

Yes they've signed a few decent players over the summer which will have certainly helped them. But the bulk of their squad was comfortably bottom of the league last season. And for good reason.

They just scrapped a 1-0 against Arbroath the previous match.
They're in the league below because of levien....they have IMHO, better players in key positions, Gordon, naismith, haring and Boyce are better than our guys.

[MWHIBBIES]

They're in the league below because of levien....they have IMHO, better players in key positions, Gordon, naismith, haring and Boyce are better than our guys.

Gordon maybe, others nope.

[jeffers]

Gordon maybe, others nope.

Yup, Haring is way off being match fit and Boyce doesn’t look like the player he was at Ross County. There literally is no excuse for not hammering home the advantages we had on Saturday. Guaranteed if the roles had been reversed it wouldn’t have been as close.

[The 90+2]

They're in the league below because of levien....they have IMHO, better players in key positions, Gordon, naismith, haring and Boyce are better than our guys.

They’re in the league because they are ****ing crap unable to get themselves up for normal games, just derbies and big games at their **** tip. The German boy got them relegated, Potter was the root of their decline though, agreed. Him and crusty minge.

[loanheadhibby]

Gordon maybe, others nope.

So if only Gordon, that would mean we have 10 players superior to theirs? So how come they keep beating us? Surely it has to get to a point where you acknowledge they have either better players individually and/or collectively?

[The 90+2]

So if only Gordon, that would mean we have 10 players superior to theirs? So how come they keep beating us? Surely it has to get to a point where you acknowledge they have either better players individually and/or collectively?

They wanted it more. See Ayr Utd in the Semi under Sauzee.

[matty_f]

They wanted it more. See Ayr Utd in the Semi under Sauzee.

No they didn't - I'm sorry but that's just cliched nonsense. On what evidence did Hearts want it more? That they scored their penalty and we missed ours? Do you think that was because whoever scored their one wanted to score more than Nisbet did?

When Gordon fumbled Gogic's shot and it hit the post and bounced out rather than in, was that them wanting it more?

It doesn't stand up to any scrutiny.

We won loads of challenges, controlled lots of the game, created chances - all of that is evidence to say that we wanted it at least as much as Hearts did.

[loanheadhibby]

They wanted it more. See Ayr Utd in the Semi under Sauzee.

They possibly did want it more but what an indictment on our players that is. And if it is true, then none of players should ever grace the Hibs jersey again. I actually don't think they wanted it more. I think in general, they have slightly better players than us when it matters. I'd love Naismith, Gordon, Haring and Boyce in our squad.

The Ayr game was sore to take however if we played Ayr 10 times at Hampden, we'd not lose in at least 9 of those games. If we played the jumbos in 10 games at Hampden, there is a real chance we would not win any.

[The 90+2]

No they didn't - I'm sorry but that's just cliched nonsense. On what evidence did Hearts want it more? That they scored their penalty and we missed ours? Do you think that was because whoever scored their one wanted to score more than Nisbet did?

When Gordon fumbled Gogic's shot and it hit the post and bounced out rather than in, was that them wanting it more?

It doesn't stand up to any scrutiny.

We won loads of challenges, controlled lots of the game, created chances - all of that is evidence to say that we wanted it at least as much as Hearts did.

We lost. Again.

If they had the better team we get pumped.

We didn’t control the game. We were never in the lead. It you control a game you are in control, we were never in control of it. It was a game we had the better of for around 40 mins of the the whole 120. 20 before half time and 20 after. The only control of the game was after their pen when they controlled it we and we could hardly touch the ball for the final ten mins.

Once again another story of fine marginans luck and cheating refs? Nah. Finally our chance to hump them. Not us.

[matty_f]

We lost. Again.

If they had the better team we get pumped.

We didn’t control the game. We were never in the lead. It you control a game you are in control, we were never in control of it. It was a game we had the better of for around 40 mins of the the whole 120. 20 before half time and 20 after. The only control of the game was after their pen when they controlled it we and we could hardly touch the ball for the final ten mins.

Once again another story of fine marginans luck and cheating refs? Nah. Finally our chance to hump them. Not us.
I've not said fine margins, luck, or cheating refs.

We got beat on the day, I think we should have won, I said beforehand that everything was in our favour and I expected us to win on that basis.

It was a bad result, but it wasn't down to not wanting it more, that's the point I'm making.

[h1bs4life]

No they didn't - I'm sorry but that's just cliched nonsense. On what evidence did Hearts want it more? That they scored their penalty and we missed ours? Do you think that was because whoever scored their one wanted to score more than Nisbet did?

When Gordon fumbled Gogic's shot and it hit the post and bounced out rather than in, was that them wanting it more?

It doesn't stand up to any scrutiny.

We won loads of challenges, controlled lots of the game, created chances - all of that is evidence to say that we wanted it at least as much as Hearts did.

There players would have done anything to win the game. Boyce tackle on Porteous 1st couple of minutes , putting down a marker .
The only time I have seen us do that was Stokes Scottish Cup Final.
Walker pulling jersey no booking nobody complained to the ref another 2 tackles again no complaints.
Halliday's tackle on Newell where were his team mates to back him up complaining to ref to get him sent off.
There constant bickering to a pish poor ref when ever a Hibs player looked at them. Naismith came on and complained to the ref from the minute he came on.
There was no Hibs players in Collums ear , he probably go to the stage where it was easy to give against us because nobody complained.
We gave a way more fouls mostly just going near them , where were our markers , getting stuck in.

[matty_f]

There players would have done anything to win the game. Boyce tackle on Porteous 1st couple of minutes , putting down a marker .
The only time I have seen us do that was Stokes Scottish Cup Final.
Walker pulling jersey no booking nobody complained to the ref another 2 tackles again no complaints.
Halliday's tackle on Newell where were his team mates to back him up complaining to ref to get him sent off.
There constant bickering to a pish poor ref when ever a Hibs player looked at them. Naismith came on and complained to the ref from the minute he came on.
There was no Hibs players in Collums ear , he probably go to the stage where it was easy to give against us because nobody complained.
We gave a way more fouls mostly just going near them , where were our markers , getting stuck in.
We had more fouls than Hearts.

[jeffers]

No they didn't - I'm sorry but that's just cliched nonsense. On what evidence did Hearts want it more? That they scored their penalty and we missed ours? Do you think that was because whoever scored their one wanted to score more than Nisbet did?

When Gordon fumbled Gogic's shot and it hit the post and bounced out rather than in, was that them wanting it more?

It doesn't stand up to any scrutiny.

We won loads of challenges, controlled lots of the game, created chances - all of that is evidence to say that we wanted it at least as much as Hearts did.
On this occasion I don’t think they did want it more, but they were smarter than us, more streetwise with their throwing themselves to the ground when barely challenged if at all. One of which led to their winning penalty.

When I saw the respective teams I was happy, convinced man for man we were better than them, albeit there wasn’t a big difference in a few positions. Yet we failed to assert that superiority. It happens too often against them for it to be luck, the only conclusion I can draw is that there aren’t enough characters in our side, who when it really mattered stood up and were counted.

[Brightside]

There players would have done anything to win the game. Boyce tackle on Porteous 1st couple of minutes , putting down a marker .
The only time I have seen us do that was Stokes Scottish Cup Final.
Walker pulling jersey no booking nobody complained to the ref another 2 tackles again no complaints.
Halliday's tackle on Newell where were his team mates to back him up complaining to ref to get him sent off.
There constant bickering to a pish poor ref when ever a Hibs player looked at them. Naismith came on and complained to the ref from the minute he came on.
There was no Hibs players in Collums ear , he probably go to the stage where it was easy to give against us because nobody complained.
We gave a way more fouls mostly just going near them , where were our markers , getting stuck in.

This is just nonsense. We committed loads of fouls during the game! This idea that hibs players arent in the Refs ear? Did you have the sound switched off?

[jeffers]

This is just nonsense. We committed loads of fouls during the game! This idea that hibs players arent in the Refs ear? Did you have the sound switched off?

As per my post above your one. We were penalised a lot, a number of them clearly weren’t fouls though.

[matty_f]

On this occasion I don’t think they did want it more, but they were smarter than us, more streetwise with their throwing themselves to the ground when barely challenged if at all. One of which led to their winning penalty.

When I saw the respective teams I was happy, convinced man for man we were better than them, albeit there wasn’t a big difference in a few positions. Yet we failed to assert that superiority. It happens too often against them for it to be luck, the only conclusion I can draw is that there aren’t enough characters in our side, who when it really mattered stood up and were counted.

The penalty we got was exactly what you described there. Boyle threw himself down at the end of the 90 minutes to make sure the ref saw he'd been fouled...

We did those things as well.

[Peevemor]

This is just nonsense. We committed loads of fouls during the game! This idea that hibs players arent in the Refs ear? Did you have the sound switched off?

They spent about half the match running down the clock with both Boyce & Naismith (as well as others) falling down every time they were between the ball & a Hibs player and the felt the slightest presence (I'm not sure contact was required). Collum was suckered every time and a better ref would have got that sorted out early doors.

[Wheat Hound]

I think that rather than wanting it more, it was more a case of lacking composure at vital moments. The 3 on 2 or 2 on 1 situations in the second half where bad passes/decisions were made, Doidges fluffed header 1st half from Boyles cross, Magennis not taking his opportunity with more conviction and Murphy similarly with his and even Porteous looking really unsteady with ball at feet, putting it out the park unnecessarily.
At crucial moments Hearts converted their fewer opportunities, but had we done likewise, we woukd have won comfortably.

[JimBHibees]

I think that rather than wanting it more, it was more a case of lacking composure at vital moments. The 3 on 2 or 2 on 1 situations in the second half where bad passes/decisions were made, Doidges fluffed header 1st half from Boyles cross, Magennis not taking his opportunity with more conviction and Murphy similarly with his and even Porteous looking really unsteady with ball at feet, putting it out the park unnecessarily.
At crucial moments Hearts converted their fewer opportunities, but had we done likewise, we woukd have won comfortably.

Absolutely spot on decision making and not taking chances. That is three games on the bounce we have not been clinical.

[jeffers]

The penalty we got was exactly what you described there. Boyle threw himself down at the end of the 90 minutes to make sure the ref saw he'd been fouled...

We did those things as well.

I’d need to watch the game again (which I’m not going to put myself through) but my feeling at the time was anytime there was marginal contact they went down and invariably Collum awarded them a free kick, I don’t remember our players doing that anywhere near as often.

[J-C]

To a certain extent fine margins is a fair comment, better composure, Gordon being on good form etc, but Ross was slow to respond to their subs. Naismith and Harling made a difference and Ross didn't react in time to their threat. We've not been great for a good few games now, forget results and look at how we played and how we won, it's not pretty or great. Now I dont mind a few ugly wins to get some wins but I dont want to see it every week, too many long balls to Doidge.

[B.H.F.C]

Absolutely spot on decision making and not taking chances. That is three games on the bounce we have not been clinical.

We seem to need half a dozen clear cut chances to score a goal. For a team that is meant to be a huge threat going forward, we don’t have enough players chipping in with goals. If our strikers have an off day, we’re toiling.

[HFC 0-7]

No they didn't - I'm sorry but that's just cliched nonsense. On what evidence did Hearts want it more? That they scored their penalty and we missed ours? Do you think that was because whoever scored their one wanted to score more than Nisbet did?

When Gordon fumbled Gogic's shot and it hit the post and bounced out rather than in, was that them wanting it more?

It doesn't stand up to any scrutiny.

We won loads of challenges, controlled lots of the game, created chances - all of that is evidence to say that we wanted it at least as much as Hearts did.

I think they did want it more. Their pre season and their training, by their own admission, was geared towards that game. Even during the game, they looked hungrier to get the ball when it broke down. I am hearing comments that players described the game as just another game.

[jeffers]

To a certain extent fine margins is a fair comment, better composure, Gordon being on good form etc, but Ross was slow to respond to their subs. Naismith and Harling made a difference and Ross didn't react in time to their threat. We've not been great for a good few games now, forget results and look at how we played and how we won, it's not pretty or great. Now I dont mind a few ugly wins to get some wins but I dont want to see it every week, too many long balls to Doidge.

I’m not convinced Ross had a lot of options on the bench, it’s an ongoing problem we have. Our defensive cover is good but beyond that we don’t have any real depth.

[matty_f]

I think they did want it more. Their pre season and their training, by their own admission, was geared towards that game. Even during the game, they looked hungrier to get the ball when it broke down. I am hearing comments that players described the game as just another game.

The just another game quote has been taken out of context, unfairly IMHO (unless I've missed other instances where it's been said).

We couldn't focus on this game all this time though, so I don't think that's about wanting it more either. We're well into a (currently fairly successful) league campaign which required our attention first, the players can't pick and choose which games they're going to try for.

[Alfred E Newman]

I’m not convinced Ross had a lot of options on the bench, it’s an ongoing problem we have. Our defensive cover is good but beyond that we don’t have any real depth.

Our subs were uninspiring to say the least and had no influence on the game. Unlike the Hearts subs who turned the game in their favour.

[HFC93]

This Hearts team are nowhere near as bad as some on here make out and they criminaly underperformed last season. Not an excuse for Saturday, just an observation.

[matty_f]

This Hearts team are nowhere near as bad as some on here make out and they criminaly underperformed last season. Not an excuse for Saturday, just an observation.

I don't think they're a bad team at all, but I do think player for player, we're better. That's why I got so frustrated about the result. We *should* be winning that game, IMHO.

[Mikey_1875]

I would agree that we “wanted it” just as much as hearts but think there is an explanation why the lines would become blurred when trying to find out reasons why we lost. For me there isn’t a shortage when it comes to having fire in the belly or desire to win but more a lack of belief/courage to go out and play our own game against them.

A lot is made certainly in the EPL of teams playing with risk and I think this is a department which we are certainly lacking in derbies. More often than not we seem to get embroiled in a battle on there terms and it doesn’t do us any favours. For all the talk of it being a negative to treat this like any other game I’d actually like to see evidence of us doing exactly that in our performance on the park as we need to play with this risk, show composure and make the right decisions to go out and make our strongest case to win the game.

We are the team of better footballers and if we do not go out to try and exploit that in a derby then we will get involved in a scrap where it leaves the game being decided on these fine margins i.e a penalty missed or scored. So while it is not a case of lacking the simple desire or caring less than hearts, Ross needs to go more to encourage the players to have the belief to play the game to our strengths.

[BSEJVT]

I’m not convinced Ross had a lot of options on the bench, it’s an ongoing problem we have. Our defensive cover is good but beyond that we don’t have any real depth.

And who is responsible for the construction of the squad?

Umpteen average midfielders - yes please

A viable attacking option who isn't called Jamie Murphy - not required

[jeffers]

And who is responsible for the construction of the squad?

Umpteen average midfielders - yes please

A viable attacking option who isn't called Jamie Murphy - not required

If Ross had more than one window to build his squad and we were in the same situation he’d deserve more criticism. The Stephen McGinn one was a bit of a weird signing (I’d have included him in Saturday’s subs though) but he can’t be blamed for Mallan and Hallberg. Wright has been a disappointment granted, but given his ability to cover more than one position I can see why he was signed.

[Percy Vere]

First off, Jack Ross is doing a great job at Hibs, with scant resources
Our performances against the bigger teams have been disappointing but we have a very tight squad, we have minimal strength and depth.
On any given day with all of our best players available (come back soon SA), we are a match for any team.
What’ actually pleases me this season is that we are beating the teams we should be, so often in the past Hibs go out and get a hard earned result against the old firm or Aberdeen then next game get beat by Hamilton etc
I believe JR is a top manager and we should get behind him and the team in these trying times. It’s one of the best league starts for years, the derby was rubbish, but we could and should have won, just one of those frustrating games. But let’s get real and support JR and all he’s trying to establish at Hibs.

[matty_f]

First off, Jack Ross is doing a great job at Hibs, with scant resources
Our performances against the bigger teams have been disappointing but we have a very tight squad, we have minimal strength and depth.
On any given day with all of our best players available (come back soon SA), we are a match for any team.
What’ actually pleases me this season is that we are beating the teams we should be, so often in the past Hibs go out and get a hard earned result against the old firm or Aberdeen then next game get beat by Hamilton etc
I believe JR is a top manager and we should get behind him and the team in these trying times. It’s one of the best league starts for years, the derby was rubbish, but we could and should have won, just one of those frustrating games. But let’s get real and support JR and all he’s trying to establish at Hibs.

I'm surprised at the big games chat - he's not been here long enough IMHO to make a claim either way on it, yet he's somehow been tarred with that brush.

[ahibby]

I’d need to watch the game again (which I’m not going to put myself through) but my feeling at the time was anytime there was marginal contact they went down and invariably Collum awarded them a free kick, I don’t remember our players doing that anywhere near as often.

I agree and more so towards the end of the game. When you watch it again, braver man than me, I wonder if towards the very end Mackie was clattered right in front of the ref, and didn't say anything. Whereas if it had been one of them they'd have been rolling around screaming on the deck and awarded a free kick. I think Naismith brought that level of cheating on with him and the ref being loco accommodates.

[ahibby]

I would agree that we “wanted it” just as much as hearts but think there is an explanation why the lines would become blurred when trying to find out reasons why we lost. For me there isn’t a shortage when it comes to having fire in the belly or desire to win but more a lack of belief/courage to go out and play our own game against them.

A lot is made certainly in the EPL of teams playing with risk and I think this is a department which we are certainly lacking in derbies. More often than not we seem to get embroiled in a battle on there terms and it doesn’t do us any favours. For all the talk of it being a negative to treat this like any other game I’d actually like to see evidence of us doing exactly that in our performance on the park as we need to play with this risk, show composure and make the right decisions to go out and make our strongest case to win the game.

We are the team of better footballers and if we do not go out to try and exploit that in a derby then we will get involved in a scrap where it leaves the game being decided on these fine margins i.e a penalty missed or scored. So while it is not a case of lacking the simple desire or caring less than hearts, Ross needs to go more to encourage the players to have the belief to play the game to our strengths.

We still have problems winning balls in the middle of the park and that in itself is our downfall especially when Rocky always drops the ball in there from kicks. He can go long but doesn't so it's a tactic and a daft one at that if we can't win it when it drops in the middle. You'll have noticed that we still don't win many tackles in the middle centre circle area from kick outs. Perhaps down to playing three up front and three in the middle at times, Gogic and Newell aren't bad tacklers but Newell is good at holding the ball more than winning it. Magennis might win it in the middle but isn't one hundred per cent yet. It's okay dropping it in the middle from kicks but if we do that we have to be better at winning that ball there and forcing the game forward and not be on the retreat as often due to the other side winning it there more often than we do. Maybe I said often to often there.

[ahibby]

First off, Jack Ross is doing a great job at Hibs, with scant resources
Our performances against the bigger teams have been disappointing but we have a very tight squad, we have minimal strength and depth.
On any given day with all of our best players available (come back soon SA), we are a match for any team.
What’ actually pleases me this season is that we are beating the teams we should be, so often in the past Hibs go out and get a hard earned result against the old firm or Aberdeen then next game get beat by Hamilton etc
I believe JR is a top manager and we should get behind him and the team in these trying times. It’s one of the best league starts for years, the derby was rubbish, but we could and should have won, just one of those frustrating games. But let’s get real and support JR and all he’s trying to establish at Hibs.

You've made good points and after all he did draw 2-2 with the current league leaders and as things stand favourites. I especially appreciate that you have highlighted the facts that we win the games we perhaps should win, with the exception of the Ross County game and that one is due to a current dip in us taking the chances we create. We can understand the team perhaps being a bit flat of late knowing now what's been happening with KN and while some if not most will disagree with me, that kind of thing can be infectious in work mates/colleagues (from experience). If it has been a factor then we should see a return to normality soon, starting tomorrow, not a should win game but not out of the question in my view.

[MWHIBBIES]

And who is responsible for the construction of the squad?

Umpteen average midfielders - yes please

A viable attacking option who isn't called Jamie Murphy - not required

A global pandemic that massively altered all teams plans? It's happening.

Our business has been solid this summer.

[Cardinal G]

I'm surprised at the big games chat - he's not been here long enough IMHO to make a claim either way on it, yet he's somehow been tarred with that brush.


Think the big game tag may have come from his time down here at Sunderland, as a season ticket holder here also my view is that he was left wanting on both occasions. Saying that we all make mistakes and must learn from them, from what I have seen so far he is indeed learning. Granted he was slow in reacting to the subs on Saturday but as others have said we just haven't got depth on bench as of yet. For me bar this we lost on Saturday fair and square against a team with luck and desire on there side whereas for us we d most midn't take our chances when they mattered most

[bingo70]

I'm surprised at the big games chat - he's not been here long enough IMHO to make a claim either way on it, yet he's somehow been tarred with that brush.

Think it goes back to his Sunderland days as well.

They lost their two highest profile matches under him as well.

[JimBHibees]

Think it goes back to his Sunderland days as well.

They lost their two highest profile matches under him as well.

One on penalties the other a last minute scramble hardly indicates they didn't perform

[BILLYHIBS]

One on penalties the other a last minute scramble hardly indicates they didn't perform
:agree:

Fine margins

[Jdawg]

I think they did want it more. Their pre season and their training, by their own admission, was geared towards that game. Even during the game, they looked hungrier to get the ball when it broke down. I am hearing comments that players described the game as just another game.

We had double the amount of efforts on goal. They had 1 move for the goal in which our player was clearly fouled in the build up. They created next to nothing. Hyperbole on here is ridiculous.

[The 90+2]

One on penalties the other a last minute scramble hardly indicates they didn't perform

He needs a big win under his belt. So far in every big game he’s not won.

[neil7908]

We had double the amount of efforts on goal. They had 1 move for the goal in which our player was clearly fouled in the build up. They created next to nothing. Hyperbole on here is ridiculous.

Are we just ignoring the one on one Boyce missed? That was an absolute sitter.

[JimBHibees]

He needs a big win under his belt. So far in every big game he’s not won.

Boxing Day Derby felt pretty big last Christmas. Won in a canter.

[JimBHibees]

Are we just ignoring the one on one Boyce missed? That was an absolute sitter.

Certainly was though came directly form when we criminally butchered a 3 on 2 at the other end.

[Unseen work]

A 2-2 draw with the current league leader who have only conceded 3 league goals in total this season and yet to lose a game?

I’d class that as a good result in a big game.

The thing with fans as they change what a big game is depending on the name of the opposition or how the game goes.

Our game against Kilmarnock 2 weeks ago was classed as a massive game as they were catching us etc etc. We beat them 1-0, a very good result and extend the distance between us. Is that not classed as a big game?

He beat Hearts 2-0 last season at Tynecastle.

Beat Dundee United and Inverness in the Scottish cup - Whilst they’re a division below they were a potential banana skin and not easy. Both again were big games for the club.

At the end of the day 3 points is 3 points no matter who you play against. Is beating Rangers who we won’t be competing with for our final position better than beating Kilmarnock and creating a gap between us?

Maybe for fans and their ego.

[Unseen work]

Every time we have played Hearts recently, it’s their worst team/squad ever, yet we very rarely deliver against them. Maybe they deserve a bit credit. Their players are every bit as good and in some cases, better than ours.

They sadly prove it time and again.

Was going to post the same, every Hearts team over the past 3 seasons or so has been the worst Hearts team ever....supposedly.

Were not a much better team than them with much better players like some fans try convince themselves.

Craig Gordon
Michael Smith
Stephen Kingsley
Peter Haring
Steven Naismith
Liam Boyce

Theyre all high quality players that have done it in the SPFL, international teams and decent levels in England. If we had them in our team people would be waxing lyrical.

Even though they’re in the championship their wage bill is still probably higher than us, especially when you look at the above players and add in other guys like Walker, Halliday, Halkett etc.

[B.H.F.C]

Was going to post the same, every Hearts team over the past 3 seasons or so has been the worst Hearts team ever....supposedly.

Were not a much better team than them with much better players like some fans try convince themselves.

Craig Gordon
Michael Smith
Stephen Kingsley
Peter Haring
Steven Naismith
Liam Boyce

Theyre all high quality players that have done it in the SPFL, international teams and decent levels in England. If we had them in our team people would be waxing lyrical.

Even though they’re in the championship their wage bill is still probably higher than us, especially when you look at the above players and add in other guys like Walker, Halliday, Halkett etc.

It’s fine saying that they’ve ‘done’ it but in fact, very few of those players have done anything for a long time.

It’s becoming a wee comfort blanket to talk about them not being that bad now. We had every advantage going last week.

[Unseen work]

It’s fine saying that they’ve ‘done’ it but in fact, very few of those players have done anything for a long time.

It’s becoming a wee comfort blanket to talk about them not being that bad now. We had every advantage going last week.

What have they not done for a long time? They’re still very good players and have done stuff few in our squad have done or will do. Experience counts for a lot, especially in Derby’s.

Hows it a comfort blanket? It’s the truth that they’re not as bad as being made out.. We had the advantage because we had played 12 league games, not the quality of squad.

We should have won last week, but losing to them is not as ridiculous as most are making out.

[B.H.F.C]

What have they not done for a long time? They’re still very good players and have done stuff few in our squad have done or will do. Experience counts for a lot, especially in Derby’s.

Hows it a comfort blanket? It’s the truth that they’re not as bad as being made out.. We had the advantage because we had played 12 league games, not the quality of squad.

We should have won last week, but losing to them is not as ridiculous as most are making out.

What have they not done for a very long time? In some cases actually played football. In most cases, not played football well.

All the talk before the game was how we have a better squad. We do. Then when we get beat it slowly becomes ‘well, actually.....’

[bigwheel]

It’s fine saying that they’ve ‘done’ it but in fact, very few of those players have done anything for a long time.

It’s becoming a wee comfort blanket to talk about them not being that bad now. We had every advantage going last week.

Whatever advantages we thought we had, We saw it with our own eyes...there is very little between the two teams, those who say they are a poor side are simply looking through green tinted lenses.


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[B.H.F.C]

Whatever advantages we thought we had, We saw it with our own eyes...there is very little between the two teams, those who say they are a poor side are simply looking through green tinted lenses.


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Or, those who say that they’re a poor side have watched them over the last 18 months? And watched them struggle to 1-0 win against the mighty Arbroath the week before.

We were well in front of them over that period. They’ve improved, so have we.

[bigwheel]

Or, those who say that they’re a poor side have watched them over the last 18 months? And watched them struggle to 1-0 win against the mighty Arbroath the week before.

We were well in front of them over that period. They’ve improved, so have we.

Surely we just focus on what the sides are right now....not how they’ve been ? Right now, it’s clear that there is little between the sides.


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[B.H.F.C]

Surely we just focus on what the sides are right now....not how they’ve been ? Right now, it’s clear that there is little between the sides.


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As long as that works both ways. Plenty of their players are being classed as good players based on past reputation, not what they’ve been doing (or not doing) in a Hearts jersey.

[bigwheel]

As long as that works both ways. Plenty of their players are being classed as good players based on past reputation, not what they’ve been doing (or not doing) in a Hearts jersey.

People were assuming they were rubbish. And perhaps assuming we are better than we are ....They’ve a new manager and have signed well, most of their key players now back fit ..they are a decent scottish side . It’s not about history , we could see it last Saturday . We were a little bit below par and they matched us all the way ..it is what it is ..not much between the sides currently ..

[matty_f]

A 2-2 draw with the current league leader who have only conceded 3 league goals in total this season and yet to lose a game?

I’d class that as a good result in a big game.

The thing with fans as they change what a big game is depending on the name of the opposition or how the game goes.

Our game against Kilmarnock 2 weeks ago was classed as a massive game as they were catching us etc etc. We beat them 1-0, a very good result and extend the distance between us. Is that not classed as a big game?

He beat Hearts 2-0 last season at Tynecastle.

Beat Dundee United and Inverness in the Scottish cup - Whilst they’re a division below they were a potential banana skin and not easy. Both again were big games for the club.

At the end of the day 3 points is 3 points no matter who you play against. Is beating Rangers who we won’t be competing with for our final position better than beating Kilmarnock and creating a gap between us?

Maybe for fans and their ego.

:agree:

being selective and going out of your way to either dismiss or include games to make Ross's record look worse isn't helping anything.

[matty_f]

What have they not done for a very long time? In some cases actually played football. In most cases, not played football well.

All the talk before the game was how we have a better squad. We do. Then when we get beat it slowly becomes ‘well, actually.....’

IMHO we do have a better squad.

To flip that last point though, there is at least one poster who went from "Hearts are nowhere near as bad as being made out" to "the worst Hearts team ever" (I paraphrase on both counts) after we lost.

The poster in question only ever really seems to post to slaughter Hibs or after defeats.

[Smartie]

Naismith and Haring both made a big difference when they went on.

Dare I say, if those players had been injury free and available for a larger proportion of their games last season then they wouldn't have been anywhere near being relegated.

Getting good injury prone players back fit and contributing can turn a garbage team into a functional if uninspiring one. That's what they managed to do.

Whether or not these players continue to justify their wages as the season progresses will be interesting to see.

[basehibby]

Overall he’s doing a good job, but in big games we’ve been a let down and these are the ones that fans remember most. He’s got to do better in these games.

Big thread but this early post nails it for me.

We have improved as a team under Ross and I am very impressed by the way we have been putting away the teams that we always SHOULD be putting away. We also need to start at least pulling our weight against those sides on our level and above though. We need to win about a hundred derbies before our record against the Yams starts looking respectable, and Ross will never be thought of in glowing terms until we start putting them to the sword more often than not.

[HFC 0-7]

Naismith and Haring both made a big difference when they went on.

Dare I say, if those players had been injury free and available for a larger proportion of their games last season then they wouldn't have been anywhere near being relegated.

Getting good injury prone players back fit and contributing can turn a garbage team into a functional if uninspiring one. That's what they managed to do.

Whether or not these players continue to justify their wages as the season progresses will be interesting to see.

I think Naismith is good but the impact of those changes weren’t the players it was the system they changed to when putting them on. That’s what gave them the upper hand IMO. It’s that part that I think Ross could have done better to counter.

[Smartie]

I think Naismith is good but the impact of those changes weren’t the players it was the system they changed to when putting them on. That’s what gave them the upper hand IMO. It’s that part that I think Ross could have done better to counter.

I'm not convinced he's anywhere near being able to do so with the squad of players he has at his disposal yet.

We've got a decent first team, but I don't see what more he could have done with what we had on the bench. Murphy is good, he got on, he did fine. Mackie I thought did well as a necessary replacement for Doig.

It's easy to argue that the things Ross might have done would have been better than the things he actually did, but I don't really believe that to be the case. Would Mallan on earlier really have made the difference? Hallberg is a steady enough type but he's not going to turn a game like that in your favour. Gullan is decent enough cutting in off the left but we've already put Murphy on to do just that.

He wasn't short of ideas - he was short of options. He's improved the first team so far and I'm happy about that. He's still quite a few players short of being able to change a game like Saturday's. He actually did quite well to change a few games with creative changes last season, so I'd cut him a bit of slack on that front until he has a team you can agree with and a bench you can look at and say, hand on heart "strong bench tonight".

That just wasn't the case last week.

[chrisski33]

Well ross sayingbits a gig incentive to go second if beat Aberdeen! Surely beating our rivals and getting to a final last week should have been an incentive but guess like Hanlon he thought it was just another game!

[Andy74]

Well ross sayingbits a gig incentive to go second if beat Aberdeen! Surely beating our rivals and getting to a final last week should have been an incentive but guess like Hanlon he thought it was just another game!

Jesus. Let’s just see what tonight brings eh?

[Callum_62]

Well ross sayingbits a gig incentive to go second if beat Aberdeen! Surely beating our rivals and getting to a final last week should have been an incentive but guess like Hanlon he thought it was just another game!Guess it depends who's playing

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[bingo70]

Jesus. Let’s just see what tonight brings eh?

I think we’re at that stage with some supporters now that no matter what the manager says it’ll be twisted to make him look stupid.

Lots of people mocked Hearts fans, and quite rightly so, when they got Neilson sacked because they lost to us in the Scottish cup the year we won it. Unfortunately for Jack Ross, I think the same is going to apply here.

With many fans what happened last weekend is impossible to recover from. Unfortunately people like that tend to shout the loudest.

[A Hi-Bee]

What have they not done for a long time? They’re still very good players and have done stuff few in our squad have done or will do. Experience counts for a lot, especially in Derby’s.

Hows it a comfort blanket? It’s the truth that they’re not as bad as being made out.. We had the advantage because we had played 12 league games, not the quality of squad.

We should have won last week, but losing to them is not as ridiculous as most are making out.

I think most on here will know what I am about to say, I will never get tired of saying the same thing.
**** the hertz
:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin :greengrin:greengrin

[Hiber-nation]

We just don't have enough players who are comfortable on the ball. Work in progress hopefully....

Gogic always seems to have to try to make passes that he isn't capable of. Need to get more players round him to support so he can just play a short pass after winning the ball.

[allmodcons]

Well ross sayingbits a gig incentive to go second if beat Aberdeen! Surely beating our rivals and getting to a final last week should have been an incentive but guess like Hanlon he thought it was just another game!

I guarantee you wouldn't say that to Paul Hanlon's face. It's easy online.

Jack Ross was spot on last week "fine margins". A game of 2 unbelievably soft penalties where we miss (by the width of crossbar) and they score.

[The 90+2]

I guarantee you wouldn't say that to Paul Hanlon's face. It's easy online.

Jack Ross was spot on last week "fine margins". A game of 2 unbelievably soft penalties where we miss (by the width of crossbar) and they score.

We lost by fine margins to a team in the league below who would have been relegated much sooner had we not bent over and lost to them at home two games last season also. Hooray.

Tonight is another big game against the team closest to us in the league. I can’t see us win so I hope we don’t lose heavily. If we do excuses will be made and posters will be bed wetters regardless. If we win posters upset about last week will come around slightly while the bedwetting abuse brigade will then rip into the posters for not being angry this week.

[Brightside]

Well ross sayingbits a gig incentive to go second if beat Aberdeen! Surely beating our rivals and getting to a final last week should have been an incentive but guess like Hanlon he thought it was just another game!

What a bellend.

[easty]

I guarantee you wouldn't say that to Paul Hanlon's face. It's easy online.

Jack Ross was spot on last week "fine margins". A game of 2 unbelievably soft penalties where we miss (by the width of crossbar) and they score.

I don’t agree with what he’s saying (he’s talking bollocks)...but don’t see any reason why he wouldn’t/couldn’t say it to Paul Hanlons face.

[chrisski33]

What a bellend.

Must be your bedtime goodnight!

[Cardinal G]

One on penalties the other a last minute scramble hardly indicates they didn't perform

We were ahead in both games and couldn't build on leads, aye fine margins but in both games you could see where we were lacking and tactically Jack was either naive or slow to react. I'm a big fan of his and regularly take stick for it from other fans but we must remember he's young and learning, I'm confident he will become an even better manager.

[chrisski33]

I guarantee you wouldn't say that to Paul Hanlon's face. It's easy online.

Jack Ross was spot on last week "fine margins". A game of 2 unbelievably soft penalties where we miss (by the width of crossbar) and they score.

Errr why not? Im sure hes mature enough to say why he said what he said!

[Allez Hibs]

Hibs last win at Aberdeen... May 2012.

Hibs 6 wins. Aberdeen 14 wins in 28 games going back to start of 2011 season.

[HendoDelivered]

Hibs last win at Aberdeen... May 2012.

Hibs 6 wins. Aberdeen 14 wins in 28 games going back to start of 2011 season.

They have our number for sure

[Winston Ingram]

Ross is the polar opposite to Alan Stubbs. Good in the wee games, hopeless in the big ones.

[Stuart93]

Another big game, another defeat.

Depressing

[Unseen work]

Ross is the polar opposite to Alan Stubbs. Good in the wee games, hopeless in the big ones.

The loss tonight is nothing to do with Ross.

Murphy and Porteous gifted 2 goals within the first 12 minutes.

[Stuart93]

The loss tonight is nothing to do with Ross.

Murphy and Porteous gifted 2 goals within the first 12 minutes.

The buck stops with the manager

His team barely mustered any real chance on goal. That’s down to his tactics and the way we approach the game.

[Unseen work]

The buck stops with the manager

His team barely mustered any real chance on goal. That’s down to his tactics and the way we approach the game.

Disagree.

The buck should stop with the players who cost the goals and as a result threw the game plan out the window after 12 minutes.

[SChibs]

The buck stops with the manager

His team barely mustered any real chance on goal. That’s down to his tactics and the way we approach the game.

It wasnt as clear cut as that. We gifted them 2 goals after 13 mins so Aberdeen shut up shop, job done. If we hadn't given them the goals the game would have been a bit more open and we would have had the opportunities to make more chances. Awful result but its harsh to blame Jack Ross for that

[bingo70]

Disagree.

The buck should stop with the players who cost the goals and as a result threw the game plan out the window after 12 minutes.

Whether it should be or shouldn’t be the case, the buck always stops with the manager.

Even allowing for that though, I don’t think we had a shot in target tonight did we? That’s the managers responsibility.

[Smartie]

The loss tonight is nothing to do with Ross.

Murphy and Porteous gifted 2 goals within the first 12 minutes.

I can't make my mind up about this.

Aberdeen haven't created much against us over 180 minutes with silky, flowing football. They've forced mistakes, punished them and then given nothing away defensively.

Is it too much for a manager to have it drilled into the players that you give NOTHING cheap away for at least the first half hour? Then you can draw them out and maybe create more?

Maybe that's exactly what Ross said, his players let him down and he's tearing his head out.

Somewhere down the line the manager has to carry the can for the sloppy concentration that led to players being in the headspace to make those mistakes.

It was sloppy and cheap. This thread was started by someone for good reason - to debate Ross' record in big games. If tonight was a one-off he could be cut a bit of slack. Instead it provides further ammunition that there might be a problem. Unfortunately I think the problem is just that we are much poorer than the teams we expect to be competitive with.

[SChibs]

I can't make my mind up about this.

Aberdeen haven't created much against us over 180 minutes with silky, flowing football. They've forced mistakes, punished them and then given nothing away defensively.

Is it too much for a manager to have it drilled into the players that you give NOTHING cheap away for at least the first half hour? Then you can draw them out and maybe create more?

Maybe that's exactly what Ross said, his players let him down and he's tearing his head out.

Somewhere down the line the manager has to carry the can for the sloppy concentration that led to players being in the headspace to make those mistakes.

It was sloppy and cheap. This thread was started by someone for good reason - to debate Ross' record in big games. If tonight was a one-off he could be cut a bit of slack. Instead it provides further ammunition that there might be a problem. Unfortunately I think the problem is just that we are much poorer than the teams we expect to be competitive with.

Should we really be competing with Celtic and Rangers in the grand scheme of things. Our rivals are Hearts and Aberdeen. His record is poor against these teams but he has came away with good results against them too.

[Chorley Hibee]

The loss tonight is nothing to do with Ross.

Murphy and Porteous gifted 2 goals within the first 12 minutes.

Can't agree, his two like for like substitutes and zero change in terms of style, formation and intensity lie squarely at his door.

[neil7908]

The loss tonight is nothing to do with Ross.

Murphy and Porteous gifted 2 goals within the first 12 minutes.

What about the other 78 minutes?

[B.H.F.C]

The loss tonight is nothing to do with Ross.

Murphy and Porteous gifted 2 goals within the first 12 minutes.

So are the good things this season nothing to do with Ross either?

Tonight, he didn’t do anything to try and change the game so it just followed the same pattern. Last week he didn’t react to their double sub.

Players and manager share the blame.

[jeffers]

Can't agree, his two like for like substitutes and zero change in terms of style, formation and intensity lie squarely at his door.

I’ve said it before I think he’s a good manager, he’s not a great one. Not sure what he could really have done differently with the subs though our bench is piss poor.

[B.H.F.C]

Disagree.

The buck should stop with the players who cost the goals and as a result threw the game plan out the window after 12 minutes.

What do you think the game plan was? Genuine question.

Because he didn’t change anything, which would suggest to me his game plan (in terms of the way we were set up etc) wasn’t out the window.

[Chorley Hibee]

Disagree.

The buck should stop with the players who cost the goals and as a result threw the game plan out the window after 12 minutes.

Surely a manager has to be adaptable to circumstances?

Instead, the remaining 78 minutes consisted of two like for like substitutions and the same pondering, insipid attempts at breaking Aberdeen down.

We could have played all weekend and never came close to retrieving that game.

[JohnM1875]

I called the 'Jack ross must go' chat after the semi ridiculous. And genuinely felt that. But after tonight I'm not so sure. Both goals are horrendous defensively and he can't be directly blamed for either goal . But it's what happened after that that's so worrying.

We have absolutely zero creativity from the middle of the pitch. Why are Gogic and Newell both still on after half time? Have a go FFS!! It's ponderous boring and ineffectual.

I'm honestly not sold on JR at all now.

Hibs have always (relatively) in my lifetime been known as a team who has a go at teams and carry an attacking threat. We're absolutely murder to watch now. Can't remember the last time we looked good? Against Ross County I guess, a game we drew.

It's up to Ross to improve or change things. But you can almost guarantee the starting shape and XI for the next league game against Celtic.

[Andy74]

I called the 'Jack ross must go' chat after the semi ridiculous. And genuinely felt that. But after tonight I'm not so sure. Both goals are horrendous defensively and he can't be directly blamed for either goal . But it's what happened after that that's so worrying.

We have absolutely zero creativity from the middle of the pitch. Why are Gogic and Newell both still on after half time? Have a go FFS!! It's ponderous boring and ineffectual.

I'm honestly not sold on JR at all now.

Hibs have always (relatively) in my lifetime been known as a team who has a go at teams and carry an attacking threat. We're absolutely murder to watch now. Can't remember the last time we looked good? Against Ross County I guess, a game we drew.

It's up to Ross to improve or change things. But you can almost guarantee the starting shape and XI for the next league game against Celtic.

Ridiculous to even suggest that we should start to talk about a manager going in current circumstances. Absolutely crazy.

[JohnM1875]

Ridiculous to even suggest that we should start to talk about a manager going in current circumstances. Absolutely crazy.

I actually agree. I'd give him more time. Just said I'm not sold on him. What do I know. But I'm sure folk said the exact same under Hecky. Worked out well eh?

We were pathetic tonight.

[The 90+2]

It wasnt as clear cut as that. We gifted them 2 goals after 13 mins so Aberdeen shut up shop, job done. If we hadn't given them the goals the game would have been a bit more open and we would have had the opportunities to make more chances. Awful result but its harsh to blame Jack Ross for that


They didn't shut up shop though. They still looked a lot, lot more dangerous and created much more after the two goals.

What you mean is the two mistakes give us no opportunity of nicking a goal with a hoof up the pitch and holding on for dear life.

[bingo70]

I’ve said it before I think he’s a good manager, he’s not a great one. Not sure what he could really have done differently with the subs though our bench is piss poor.

Bought more exciting players so we had better options off the bench?

We’ve gone into the season with 2 senior forwards. That wasn’t enough IMO.

I’m not saying Ross should be sacked but I’m not his biggest fan, he’s done a decent job in the league for the most part this season but it’s dull stuff (with the odd exception).

When he was appointed I thought he was a dull, unimaginative appointment. I think that’s the way it’s panning out. If we want a steady eadie that’ll keep us in the top 6 every year but not give us much excitement he’s our man. That’ll be enough for most people and it’ll be enough to keep him his job for as long as he wants it but it’s not going to be a particularly exciting time for us.

[The 90+2]

I’ve said it before I think he’s a good manager, he’s not a great one. Not sure what he could really have done differently with the subs though our bench is piss poor.

Bring on Hallberg? People say he's a good player afterall. :agree:

[B.H.F.C]

Bought more exciting players so we had better options off the bench?

We’ve gone into the season with 2 senior forwards. That wasn’t enough IMO.

I’m not saying Ross should be sacked but I’m not his biggest fan, he’s done a decent job in the league for the most part this season but it’s dull stuff (with the odd exception).

When he was appointed I thought he was a dull, unimaginative appointmebt

Gray, McGregor and Stephen McGinn on the bench tonight I know two of them are who they are and have contracts, but the signing of Stephen McGinn seems utterly pointless.

[bingo70]

Ridiculous to even suggest that we should start to talk about a manager going in current circumstances. Absolutely crazy.

I agree with you, there’s no way he should be sacked now, or even close to it.

You know how this movie normally pans out though. Once the natives get restless, rightly or wrongly managers rarely recover.

The game last week was Jack Ross’s Robbie Neilson moment.

[SChibs]

Bought more exciting players so we had better options off the bench?

We’ve gone into the season with 2 senior forwards. That wasn’t enough IMO.

I’m not saying Ross should be sacked but I’m not his biggest fan, he’s done a decent job in the league for the most part this season but it’s dull stuff (with the odd exception).

When he was appointed I thought he was a dull, unimaginative appointment. I think that’s the way it’s panning out. If we want a steady eadie that’ll keep us in the top 6 every year but not give us much excitement he’s our man. That’ll be enough for most people and it’ll be enough to keep him his job for as long as he wants it but it’s not going to be a particularly exciting time for us.

Aberdeen have been dull for years and have consistently finished above us for years and qualified for Europe. Playing well isnt the be all and end all

[jeffers]

Bought more exciting players so we had better options off the bench?

We’ve gone into the season with 2 senior forwards. That wasn’t enough IMO.

I’m not saying Ross should be sacked but I’m not his biggest fan, he’s done a decent job in the league for the most part this season but it’s dull stuff (with the odd exception).

When he was appointed I thought he was a dull, unimaginative appointmebt

I’m neither here nor there as far as Ross is concerned. Though I can’t say I really enjoy watching his teams play.

Not sure where the money was coming from to sign these exciting players though Bingo ? We needed some dig in midfield, he signed Gogic and Magennis, the latter hasn’t figured enough to make any judgement and we brought in Nisbet who has been excellent. Wright has been pretty poor though. Other than loans or moving on players like Hallberg or Mallan (and there needs to be teams who want them) not convinced we have the budget to do much more.

[bingo70]

Aberdeen have been dull for years and have consistently finished above us for years and qualified for Europe. Playing well isnt the be all and end all

And that’s my concern.

I think we are trying to replicate what Aberdeen have done over the last few years.

Being ***** but getting enough stuffy wins is one way to get results but it won’t be enough to appease the masses (myself included), we’re also unlikely to be better at it than Aberdeen.

[Magpie]

If Hibs aren’t playing European football next season then Ross should be gone imo. Hopefully he can get us there.

[bingo70]

I’m neither here nor there as far as Ross is concerned. Though I can’t say I really enjoy watching his teams play.

Not sure where the money was coming from to sign these exciting players though Bingo ? We needed some dig in midfield, he signed Gogic and Magennis, the latter hasn’t figured enough to make any judgement and we brought in Nisbet who has been excellent. Wright has been pretty poor though. Other than loans or moving on players like Hallberg or Mallan (and there needs to be teams who want them) not convinced we have the budget to do much more.

I don’t know how much we’re paying Stephen Mcginn but a loan fee for a young English player would have been of a comparable amount I’d have thought.

It’s also not just about the players, it’s about the culture that’s created at the club. Mowbray never had much money to spend but he created a culture of young enthusiastic exciting players and got the most out of them. We are currently trying to create a culture of being stuffy and grinding out and seeing out narrow victories.

You can’t ask for a manger to be sacked when we’re 3rd or 4th in the league but this is only going one way IMO. It’s dull uninspiring stuff and as long as we’re worse than Aberdeen at that it won’t be good enough, Hearts will be added tk that mix next season and that’s before you throw Motherwell into the equation.

Jack Ross did a good job when he came in but I personally think longer term he will turn out to be a poor fit for our club. And I’m stressing that’s not me wanting him sacked now, it’s just how I think it’ll pan out.

[J-C]

Disagree.

The buck should stop with the players who cost the goals and as a result threw the game plan out the window after 12 minutes.

Stops with Ross, he preps them, coaches them, picks the team and chooses the tactics to play. If those tactics don't work then he needs to change them either before games or during them.

[Partyraiser]

What about the other 78 minutes?

Aberdeen are the masters of seeing a game out. Give them a 2 goal start and Guardiola would struggle to set our players up to break them down

[Winston Ingram]

The loss tonight is nothing to do with Ross.

Murphy and Porteous gifted 2 goals within the first 12 minutes.

Really? Both games this season, they’ve taken the lead and we have never looked like equalising🤷🏻*♂️

[Nicho87]

We could play Aberdeen 38 games in a row and I don’t think Ross would change his formation.

[jeffers]

I don’t know how much we’re paying Stephen Mcginn but a loan fee for a young English player would have been of a comparable amount I’d have thought.

It’s also not just about the players, it’s about the culture that’s created at the club. Mowbray never had much money to spend but he created a culture of young enthusiastic exciting players and got the most out of them. We are currently trying to create a culture of being stuffy and grinding out and seeing out narrow victories.

You can’t ask for a manger to be sacked when we’re 3rd or 4th in the league but this is only going one way IMO. It’s dull uninspiring stuff and as long as we’re worse than Aberdeen at that it won’t be good enough, Hearts will be added tk that mix next season and that’s before you throw Motherwell into the equation.

Jack Ross did a good job when he came in but I personally think longer term he will turn out to be a poor fit for our club. And I’m stressing that’s not me wanting him sacked now, it’s just how I think it’ll pan out.

I forgot about McGinn when I replied to you. Tonight would have been the game to play him with Magennis missing out otherwise what was the point in signing him. I doubt he’ll be on a lot but I agree if he’s just there to warm the bench we should have brought a player in on loan.

Mowbray had the golden generation, youngsters willing to buy into his philosophy with John Park recommendations to supplement that, it was the perfect combination.

I don’t disagree with you though regarding the football under Ross, I don’t enjoy it. For some thought they are happy as long as we get the results. Play poorly like tonight and fail to get results and questions will start to be asked.

[Scotty Leither]

I don’t know how much we’re paying Stephen Mcginn but a loan fee for a young English player would have been of a comparable amount I’d have thought.

It’s also not just about the players, it’s about the culture that’s created at the club. Mowbray never had much money to spend but he created a culture of young enthusiastic exciting players and got the most out of them. We are currently trying to create a culture of being stuffy and grinding out and seeing out narrow victories.

You can’t ask for a manger to be sacked when we’re 3rd or 4th in the league but this is only going one way IMO. It’s dull uninspiring stuff and as long as we’re worse than Aberdeen at that it won’t be good enough, Hearts will be added tk that mix next season and that’s before you throw Motherwell into the equation.

Jack Ross did a good job when he came in but I personally think longer term he will turn out to be a poor fit for our club. And I’m stressing that’s not me wanting him sacked now, it’s just how I think it’ll pan out.


Good point(s). I think a lot of the "attacking flair" tradition of Hibs is a bit misty-eyed and is borne out of watching some god-awful Hibs teams in the too recent past who were a mile off anything like attractive to watch, but it baffles me sometimes how some Hibs managers got the gig...

Heckingbottom and Fenlon were two whose teams were god-awful to watch. Are these prospective managers never asked at interview how they set their teams up? Do we have enough people involved in the selection process that are football savvy?

[bingo70]

Good point(s). I think a lot of the "attacking flair" tradition of Hibs is a bit misty-eyed and is borne out of watching some god-awful Hibs teams in the too recent past who were a mile off anything like attractive to watch, but it baffles me sometimes how some Hibs managers got the gig...

Heckingbottom and Fenlon were two whose teams were god-awful to watch. Are these prospective managers never asked at interview how they set their teams up? Do we have enough people involved in the selection process that are football savvy?

Graeme Mathie said on the long bangers podcast that there was a lot of analysis done on Jack Ross teams that showed he was a good fit for us looking for an attacking football team. Can’t say that was my perception of his Sunderland team but I’ve no reason to doubt Mathie and stripping my moaning back Ross is doing a decent job so far so maybe he’s right and my moans are wrong.

[bingo70]

https://twitter.com/bbcsportscot/status/1324852035481731073?s=21

I’ve criticised him on this thread but I like this post match interview from him.

[Jones28]

I liked what Ross had to say after the game. Wasn’t scared to put the boot into the players and officiating. No more Mr Nice-Guy and still the best dressed manager in Scottish football.

For all the talk of big game syndrome I really think he needs to be given a bit more leeway. Tonight was poor, as was the weekend, but it’s individual errors from guys who were in the Scotland squad not so long ago that cost us tonight and on Saturday it was a missed penalty and heroic goalkeeping performance that stopped us going through.

These are exceptional times. We haven’t had the same scope to bring players in, I think we banked too much on McCrorie signing for us too, it was like he was our number one and we had candidates who didn’t quite fit to replace him.

Ross will do fine this season, we perform against the ***** teams and haven’t quite been at the races against the better ones...except of course the 2-2 draw against the league leaders a few weeks ago. This was always going to be a strange season, I’m content to let it run it’s course and hopefully in the not to distant future I things will change for the better, fans will be back and there will be better options for players to come in.

[JohnM1875]

https://twitter.com/bbcsportscot/status/1324852035481731073?s=21

I’ve criticised him on this thread but I like this post match interview from him.

Aye same. That's a great and honest post match interview to be fair to him.

[Allez Hibs]

Jack Ross in games v Rangers, Celtic, Hearts, Aberdeen

P12
W2
D1
L9

F11
A23

[jeffers]

https://twitter.com/bbcsportscot/status/1324852035481731073?s=21

I’ve criticised him on this thread but I like this post match interview from him.

Great interview. He was absolutely spot on in his appraisal of tonight and I admire him for being honest about his own performance too.

[Sir David Gray]

Jack Ross in games v Rangers, Celtic, Hearts, Aberdeen

P12
W2
D1
L9

F11
A23

What's the record like against Hearts and Aberdeen? Rangers and Celtic aren't really our benchmark to be honest.

[jeffers]

What's the record like against Hearts and Aberdeen? Rangers and Celtic aren't really our benchmark to be honest.

Pretty sure it’s played 6, lost 4, won 2, so hardly great.

[Jones28]

Pretty sure it’s played 6, lost 4, won 2, so hardly great.

Yepp that’s exactly it.

But there are 9 other teams in this league who it would seem we do beat.

[The Captain....]

I liked what Ross had to say after the game. Wasn’t scared to put the boot into the players and officiating. No more Mr Nice-Guy and still the best dressed manager in Scottish football.

For all the talk of big game syndrome I really think he needs to be given a bit more leeway. Tonight was poor, as was the weekend, but it’s individual errors from guys who were in the Scotland squad not so long ago that cost us tonight and on Saturday it was a missed penalty and heroic goalkeeping performance that stopped us going through.

These are exceptional times. We haven’t had the same scope to bring players in, I think we banked too much on McCrorie signing for us too, it was like he was our number one and we had candidates who didn’t quite fit to replace him.

Ross will do fine this season, we perform against the ***** teams and haven’t quite been at the races against the better ones...except of course the 2-2 draw against the league leaders a few weeks ago. This was always going to be a strange season, I’m content to let it run it’s course and hopefully in the not to distant future I things will change for the better, fans will be back and there will be better options for players to come in.

I think 99% of people are prepared to give Jack Ross time. I certainly am but that doesn't mean I won't criticise insipid performances like tonight, or others against the better sides we come up against. We have too many players who fail to turn up and for me naively go into them with two up front and continue to pick out of form players. It hasn't worked.

To be fair we've improved against teams outside the top 3 or 4 and Hearts. However we really seem to lack ideas against Aberdeen, Rangers (except recent ER game when we minimised mistakes and took our chances), Celtic and Hearts..and there is little in the way of quality on the bench to go to an effective plan b.

Ross said he is going to get tough with the players now, lets see what reaction he can get. Im disappointed with the reaction from the semi final...that was a very weak response to a poor result. Hopefully a different approach will improve us in these games.

[jeffers]

Yepp that’s exactly it.

But there are 9 other teams in this league who it would seem we do beat.

The other way to look at it I suppose is if he continues in that vein for this season we finish 4th which will be a good season for us and an improvement on last, then look to build on that moving forward.

[HendoDelivered]

If Hibs aren’t playing European football next season then Ross should be gone imo. Hopefully he can get us there.

We will get put out in the qualifiers anyway, when was the last time we made it past them?

[ekhibee]

https://twitter.com/bbcsportscot/status/1324852035481731073?s=21

I’ve criticised him on this thread but I like this post match interview from him.

Thanks Bingo, I just watched that and it was a very honest and frank interview. Others on here who haven't seen it should watch it too, it's different from his usual interviews.

[Wheat Hound]

Got to say when we next get to a cup game Vs any of Celtic, Rangers, Aberdeen or Hearts, I'd have very little confidence of us progressing.

[Magpie]

We will get put out in the qualifiers anyway, when was the last time we made it past them?

We probably would, but the absolute minimum we should be achieving is 4th place, especially with Hearts not even in the league. If we don’t finish in the top four then this season has been a failure.

[Mickey Weir]

I've never been a fan of Ross and I've never thought he had it in him to manage a club as big as Hibs.

That said, he's done ok so far in the league and hopefully the past two weeks are a blip. His interview last night suggests he is not one to be messed with so here's hoping the players learn from this.