KP - Hibs Voting Intentions

[Scotty Leither]

Having had a look at the statement from LD online it's pretty bland stuff to be honest, I find the Aberdeen chairman's comments more telling about every club losing £600k if we let 2 more teams in the league, and if that is this indeed the case I suspect there's only one way Hibs and the majority of the SPL will be voting as regards league reconstruction.

What I would say about this thread though, is that those with blind faith in our Board to make the "right or morally correct decision" is not a healthy stance to take, and an internet forum is the standard vehicle these days to take an opposite view or share your opinion.

If that filters back to the Board, then all well and good as that's healthy and democratic - just think if we'd let a previous administration have their way and move us to Straiton, then we might well have been playing if front of sub-7k crowds, and praying for league reconstruction ourselves.

[Caversham Green]

For Hearts to remain in the SPL - Assuming that Dundee Utd are coming up then the only option is allowing 2 up to balance the League.

So we lose £130 k Derby revenue if they are relegated

If they stay up with 1 other we lose £600k per year for the next 5 years....

Th New Sky Sports deal with only The SPL to show 48 Premier league fixtures is worth £150 MILLION over 5 years. This is only for SPL - Money for SPL Teams .Cup games Is BT and BBC is separate and this starts in August.

Aberdeen chairman in Sportsound at weekend spoke about this deal and reason he believed no reconstruction would go ahead as every SPL team stood to Lose£600 K per year if two more teams were added.

I said voting for the proposal that's on the table would cost us £130k - there are other options that don't seem to have been explored. I would simply go for taking the table as it currently stands and relegate Hearts while Hibs retain the position they've achieved on the field but that option doesn't seem to be available and I'm probably biased there anyway. Alternatively I would look at a model that either predicts results of the fixtures that won't be played or allocates points based on previous results. For example we were due to play St Johnstone next and we've previously won one drawn one with them so we get (say) 2.5 points for the fixture and they get 0.5 (please don't get hung up on the maths here a different allocation might well be fairer).

My view is that a 14 club Premiership next season does not solve any of the problems that the current situation presents and should not be up for consideration.

[we are hibs]

Livi will be voting in favour.

[The 90+2]

Leeann Dempster is better qualified than you or any other supporter who just wants to end the season now because Hearts happen to be bottom.

Leeann might vote in line with what you want, she might not, but either way she's in a much better position to make that judgement call. That's my point. She won't (and shouldn't) make a decision based on pandering to the emotional reaction of our support.

Did I say otherwise? I wouldn’t just blindly accept what she votes without any reasoning though. Which seems to be a line trotted by some with the “club knows best” motto.

[Hibs90]

Livingston confirm they are voting in favour.

[hibeerealist]

Why can't you (and others) just accept what she's saying at face value - ie. the goalposts are shifitng all the time and there's no way a decision should be made right now?

It needs to be made by 5pm tomorrow in order to save a number of clubs.

Why delay? There will be no football before July / August then you need to get the players fit to play and of course we have to take into account the new season with the new TV deal which is due to start in August!

As a director of HFC she will know much more than we do however, it is NOT realistic to finish the season nor void it therefore it needs to be called.

[The 90+2]

I think some believe that Leeann Dempster and the board are in a better position to judge what's best for the club than some random internet nutters with an agenda.

Voting for the proposal that's currently on the table that also takes Hearts out of the equation costs us at least £130k. Hearts staying in the league costs us nothing but may benefit us from increased revenues from Derbies. It's not all about money but in these times money has to play a huge part. I don't see any material gain for Hibs arising purely from Hearts being relegated.

For the record I would love to see Hearts get what they deserve but the situation we are in now is far too serious to let petty local rivalries get in the way of getting the big decisions right. That's why I think LD is right in suggesting we take a step back. If she's also suggesting restructuring the league purely to accommodate Hearts then I think she is very wrong.

Do you really think that Hearts should be relegated regardless of the damage that does to Hibs?

They are yes. But I wouldn’t just back the board blindly against voting against what happens should the Premier League have to end.

Voting for the proposal doesn’t cost us anything - it isn’t a vote on the top league at all. It’s a vote on the lower leagues with the extension to the premiership if the league cannot get complete at a later date.

I think Hearts should be relegated if the season has to end and they find themselves bottom, of course, it’s the fairest way. Losing a derby is the price to pay then that’s that. We try our best to sell out the Dundee Utd home games.

[weecounty hibby]

Livingston confirm they are voting in favour.

Big Marv is a legend. Clearly has a big say on things at Livingston!!!

[WhileTheChief..]

Exactly. This decision is about reason, not emotion.

Take the emotion away and we’re left with nothing.

My point is that if Hearts has approached this is a different manner they might have had some sympathy from other clubs.

They chose to speak about lawyers from the get go. Threats of legal action by Budge as well as the nonsense spoken on Kickback.

If you want to focus on reason though, how is it in Hibs best interest for Hearts to stay in the league when they continue to spend money they don’t have to improve their chances of qualifying for Europe?

[Since452]

Livingston using common sense

[The 90+2]

Livingston using common sense

Boycotts from the maroon and blue £ all round then.

[EVENTUALLY]

I think some believe that Leeann Dempster and the board are in a better position to judge what's best for the club than some random internet nutters with an agenda.

Voting for the proposal that's currently on the table that also takes Hearts out of the equation costs us at least £130k. Hearts staying in the league costs us nothing but may benefit us from increased revenues from Derbies. It's not all about money but in these times money has to play a huge part. I don't see any material gain for Hibs arising purely from Hearts being relegated.

For the record I would love to see Hearts get what they deserve but the situation we are in now is far too serious to let petty local rivalries get in the way of getting the big decisions right. That's why I think LD is right in suggesting we take a step back. If she's also suggesting restructuring the league purely to accommodate Hearts then I think she is very wrong.

Do you really think that Hearts should be relegated regardless of the damage that does to Hibs?

At the recent AGM our chairman made it clear that he wants Hibs to be the biggest sporting institution in the city, he said it was very important.
It will be a lot easier to take the 1st steps of that ambition if Hearts are playing in a lower division. I think Hibs will vote in favour, look out for themselves and not worry about the consequences of Hearts financial difficulties and sporting failure.

[The 90+2]

Take the emotion away and we’re left with nothing.

My point is that if Hearts has approached this is a different manner they might have had some sympathy from other clubs.

They chose to speak about lawyers from the get go. Threats of legal action by Budge as well as the nonsense spoken on Kickback.

If you want to focus on reason though, how is it in Hibs best interest for Hearts to stay in the league when they continue to spend money they don’t have to improve their chances of qualifying for Europe?

Exactly and the bottom bits a great point, they stay up they will spend money they don’t have to beat us to players as per usual. I can’t see why that would be in our clubs best interests? A weakened Hearts would be great news for the club.

[Vault Boy]

Take the emotion away and we’re left with nothing.

My point is that if Hearts has approached this is a different manner they might have had some sympathy from other clubs.

They chose to speak about lawyers from the get go. Threats of legal action by Budge as well as the nonsense spoken on Kickback.

If you want to focus on reason though, how is it in Hibs best interest for Hearts to stay in the league when they continue to spend money they don’t have to improve their chances of qualifying for Europe?

Take emotion away and you have reason.

I'm not saying Hearts staying up IS in Hibs best interest, I've not said anything like that. I've said Leeann is in a much better position to weigh up the options than any fan is. The decision won't be made lightly and it'll be made with the best intentions for the club.

There are plenty of pros and cons for any potential outcome, it's not reasonable to act as if there's only one option just because it's Hearts.

[c31]

Leeann Dempster is better qualified than you or any other supporter who just wants to end the season now because Hearts happen to be bottom.

Leeann might vote in line with what you want, she might not, but either way she's in a much better position to make that judgement call. That's my point. She won't (and shouldn't) make a decision based on pandering to the emotional reaction of our support.<

She really should. If the support don't support her, she is finished...

[Vault Boy]

She really should. If the support don't support her, she is finished...

No she shouldn't. The fans aren't experts on running a professional football club, Leeann is.

[Caversham Green]

They are yes. But I wouldn’t just back the board blindly against voting against what happens should the Premier League have to end.

Voting for the proposal doesn’t cost us anything - it isn’t a vote on the top league at all. It’s a vote on the lower leagues with the extension to the premiership if the league cannot get complete at a later date.

I think Hearts should be relegated if the season has to end and they find themselves bottom, of course, it’s the fairest way. Losing a derby is the price to pay then that’s that. We try our best to sell out the Dundee Utd home games.

If you agree that the board are in a better position than you to judge the best course of action then why would you not back them? I could see your point if they wanted to award the league to "Rangers" but in a position where there is no perfect answer but they have better information why go against them?

While it's not a vote for the Premiership it's going to have a significant effect on what happens when a decision has to be made for it.

I also think Hearts should be relegated, but only on the fairest possible basis so they can have no real complaints.

[Hibs90]

Usual 'Hibs can do no wrong' users out in force in this thread I see.

[Peevemor]

You are all aware that it's the board and not just Leeann who'll decide how we vote?

[Peevemor]

Usual 'Hibs can do no wrong' users out in force in this thread I see.

Why does that surprise you, it being a Hibs supporters' forum?

[Hibs90]

Why does that surprise you, it being a Hibs supporters' forum?

I never said it surprised me.

[Caversham Green]

Usual 'Hibs can do no wrong' users out in force in this thread I see.

What are Hibs doing wrong here?

[Vault Boy]

Usual 'Hibs can do no wrong' users out in force in this thread I see.

Yeah, imagine not disavowing the club just because they potentially won't act in the exact way you want them to.

[JeMeSouviens]

Happily the business and emotional responses line up nicely here. We'd be mad to vote against this either way.

[Peevemor]

I never said it surprised me.

Why comment on it then?

[The 90+2]

You are all aware that it's the board and not just Leeann who'll decide how we vote?

Hope so 👍

[Hibs90]

What are Hibs doing wrong here?

Nothing so far that I can see. I never said Hibs were doing anything wrong.

[The 90+2]

If you agree that the board are in a better position than you to judge the best course of action then why would you not back them? I could see your point if they wanted to award the league to "Rangers" but in a position where there is no perfect answer but they have better information why go against them?

While it's not a vote for the Premiership it's going to have a significant effect on what happens when a decision has to be made for it.

I also think Hearts should be relegated, but only on the fairest possible basis so they can have no real complaints.

I wouldn’t back them until they’ve gave justification as to why they would reject the vote (if they do) and even then I just wouldn’t blindly agree with it just because it’s the Hibernian board.

[angus hibby]

If I thought that if our positions were reversed that Budge would vote to save Hibs then I might have some sympathy. Given all the underhanded snipes she's aimed at us in statements/interviews over the past few years I think I can safely say there's no chance she would.

So you want Hibs to vote for Hearts to get relegated just because that’s what they would do to us? You’re probably right but let’s not lower ourselves to their level - we do what’s best for Hibs and don’t even think about who’s currently bottom of the league.

[Caversham Green]

Nothing so far that I can see. I never said Hibs were doing anything wrong.

In that case I don't understand the point of your op.

[Hibs90]

Yeah, imagine not disavowing the club just because they potentially won't act in the exact way you want them to.

It wouldn't just be me going by some of the posts in this thread and other posts on social media platforms.


Why comment on it then?

Because I wanted to. That ok? It is a forum after all.

[Hibs90]

I wouldn’t back them until they’ve gave justification as to why they would reject the vote (if they do) and even then I just wouldn’t blindly agree with it just because it’s the Hibernian board.

I agree.

[Caversham Green]

I wouldn’t back them until they’ve gave justification as to why they would reject the vote (if they do) and even then I just wouldn’t blindly agree with it just because it’s the Hibernian board.

I think LD expresses her views very clearly in the article. She makes no comment on whether Hearts should be relegated or whether there should be a 14 team Premiership next season. I agree with the views she expresses but would disagree with the views some on here think she's expressing.

[The 90+2]

I think LD expresses her views very clearly in the article. She makes no comment on whether Hearts should be relegated or whether there should be a 14 team Premiership next season. I agree with the views she expresses but would disagree with the views some on here think she's expressing.

Fair do’s. It’s a case of wait and see.

The 14 team scenario is completely separate from tomorrow’s vote also.

[NAE NOOKIE]

The justification is in your post - UNIQUE, unprecedented there really is no other way of calling an end to this season, so they go down.

Your idea of running into next year, eh and risk the TV deal why would ANY of the SPL clubs support that?

Where in that post did I say run into next year? As far as I'm concerned they can end the season now and hand out the prize money. This is about what happens next season for me ... this season is done.

[Billy Whizz]

Livingston using common sense

They have their house in order, sensible playing budget, and made a year end profit

[JeMeSouviens]

They have their house in order, sensible playing budget, and made a year end profit

Shame about the pitch!

[Ozyhibby]

Just vote yes Hibs. It makes Business, Football and emotional sense. Once it’s done we can all move on, safe in the knowledge that our close rivals are taking a £3m hit to their finances over and above whatever CV-19 does. And all their players are still on full pay.


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[Radium]

Not read anything about the second European place: presumably it will be awarded on league placing as the cup is not likely to be completed in time.

(assuming that there is European competition next season)


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[Greenbeard]

God forbid that we ever get to the day whereby Hibs are run by fan power and polls like this one. What a load of Tom Kite.
I trust LD and the Board to vote in whichever way means the best balanced outcome for both Hibs and for the game.
I don't buy this theoretical parking of self-interest and votes being cast solely on what is best for the game overall. Fine in theory but it just doesn't work when it comes down to it. So an outcome that gives some balance for Hibs will be what LD votes for. She certainly will not be voting based on some on here threatening not to come back if her vote ends up in Hertz not going down. Wake up R Soles.

[TheReg!]

If it wasn’t for Hearts potentially getting relegated we would all be pushing fir League reconstruction of 14/16 teams imho

[galahibee]

Just a thought but rather than declare season void or as it is now have the TV money paid to each club as it stands. However, for sporting integrity and all that 2 weeks before the new/next season play the remaining 3 league games up to the split with league positions final. Games would be played sat/midweek/sat plus sevco playing St johnstone game in hand either Thursday before or 2 midweek inbetween. Gives Celtic a chance to mathematically win the league or forever have an asterisk next to this seasons title. Gives Hearts a chance to avoid relegation which would be very unlikely since they were due to play livi and aberdeen away. Lower leagues can play one leg play offs during this with all leagues starting following weekend. TV deal surely wouldn't be effected as would give an extra sevco v celtic match and they could show the last hearts game live for us to watch them go down!

[Greenworld]

Just a thought but rather than declare season void or as it is now have the TV money paid to each club as it stands. However, for sporting integrity and all that 2 weeks before the new/next season play the remaining 3 league games up to the split with league positions final. Games would be played sat/midweek/sat plus sevco playing St johnstone game in hand either Thursday before or 2 midweek inbetween. Gives Celtic a chance to mathematically win the league or forever have an asterisk next to this seasons title. Gives Hearts a chance to avoid relegation which would be very unlikely since they were due to play livi and aberdeen away. Lower leagues can play one leg play offs during this with all leagues starting following weekend. TV deal surely wouldn't be effected as would give an extra sevco v celtic match and they could show the last hearts game live for us to watch them go down!Pmsl 2 weeks before your having a giraffe mate

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[galahibee]

Pmsl 2 weeks before your having a giraffe mate

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Why not? Season tickets for all teams gonna sell or not sell regardless

[Eyrie]

Not reading ten pages, so apologies if I'm repeating waht anyone has said.

I want Hibs to do the right thiing for Scottish football, not to save or relegate Hearts.

With today's announcement that everything is suspended until at least 10 June, it has become impossible to complete the current season.

There are too many players out of contract on 31 May and they can't be forced to continue those contracts beyond that date, so it only takes a few refusals and it is no longer the same competition due to changes in the playing squads. Worse, the clubs affected won't be able to sign replacements.

Even assuming that it is possible to resume training on 10 June, the need for a pre-season means that there will be no competitive games until July. There are then a minimum of nine fixture dates to be fitted in for league matches, plus a few days gap to sort out the post split fixtures, plus two dates for the Scottish Cup, plus a game day for Sevco to finish their European campaign (potentially, if unrealistically, more). So that's July and most of August to finish this season.

That means not being able to start next season until early/mid September and trying to cram all the games in before the European Championships next summer. Assuming of course that the new TV deal for next season can be delayed without jeopardising the much needed money.

Add in that too many clubs need the prize money from this season just to keep their heads above water and it is very clear that the good of Scottish football means foregoing our chances of finishing third in the league, foregoing our chances of reclaiming our Scottish Cup, foregoing our chances of European football and foregoing at least one financially lucrative full house home derby because the bottom club in the top flight will have to be relegated so that the runaway leaders of the second tier can get their deserved promotion.

[SJNB Hibby]

Not read anything about the second European place: presumably it will be awarded on league placing as the cup is not likely to be completed in time.

(assuming that there is European competition next season)


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Give it Aberdeen. Next year we have 5 spots, so the Cup Winners from this year can get a spot.
Anybody think with 5 Euro spots, the LC Winners should have a spot??

[ancient hibee]

Just a thought but rather than declare season void or as it is now have the TV money paid to each club as it stands. However, for sporting integrity and all that 2 weeks before the new/next season play the remaining 3 league games up to the split with league positions final. Games would be played sat/midweek/sat plus sevco playing St johnstone game in hand either Thursday before or 2 midweek inbetween. Gives Celtic a chance to mathematically win the league or forever have an asterisk next to this seasons title. Gives Hearts a chance to avoid relegation which would be very unlikely since they were due to play livi and aberdeen away. Lower leagues can play one leg play offs during this with all leagues starting following weekend. TV deal surely wouldn't be effected as would give an extra sevco v celtic match and they could show the last hearts game live for us to watch them go down!

Don't think you realise how long it takes to draw up a fixture list for the new season.

[Greenworld]

Not reading ten pages, so apologies if I'm repeating waht anyone has said.

I want Hibs to do the right thiing for Scottish football, not to save or relegate Hearts.

With today's announcement that everything is suspended until at least 10 June, it has become impossible to complete the current season.

There are too many players out of contract on 31 May and they can't be forced to continue those contracts beyond that date, so it only takes a few refusals and it is no longer the same competition due to changes in the playing squads. Worse, the clubs affected won't be able to sign replacements.

Even assuming that it is possible to resume training on 10 June, the need for a pre-season means that there will be no competitive games until July. There are then a minimum of nine fixture dates to be fitted in for league matches, plus a few days gap to sort out the post split fixtures, plus two dates for the Scottish Cup, plus a game day for Sevco to finish their European campaign (potentially, if unrealistically, more). So that's July and most of August to finish this season.

That means not being able to start next season until early/mid September and trying to cram all the games in before the European Championships next summer. Assuming of course that the new TV deal for next season can be delayed without jeopardising the much needed money.

Add in that too many clubs need the prize money from this season just to keep their heads above water and it is very clear that the good of Scottish football means foregoing our chances of finishing third in the league, foregoing our chances of reclaiming our Scottish Cup, foregoing our chances of European football and foregoing at least one financially lucrative full house home derby because the bottom club in the top flight will have to be relegated so that the runaway leaders of the second tier can get their deserved promotion.Agree..however the Scottish cup is meant to be finished early in the new season so we could be first to win 2 Scottish cups in 1 season lol

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[Ozyhibby]

Give it Aberdeen. Next year we have 5 spots, so the Cup Winners from this year can get a spot.
Anybody think with 5 Euro spots, the LC Winners should have a spot??

No. Scottish only then league places.


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[SJNB Hibby]

No. Scottish only then league places.


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Why?? Livi are 5th with a LOSING record---give it to a team who won something.
LC winners in England go into Europe

[tamig]

Why not? Season tickets for all teams gonna sell or not sell regardless

What about player contract situations? Do we play this seasons team on short term extensions for a fortnight then bump them for next seasons team? I don’t think your suggested solution is workable.

[The Pointer]

God forbid that we ever get to the day whereby Hibs are run by fan power and polls like this one. What a load of Tom Kite.
I trust LD and the Board to vote in whichever way means the best balanced outcome for both Hibs and for the game.
I don't buy this theoretical parking of self-interest and votes being cast solely on what is best for the game overall. Fine in theory but it just doesn't work when it comes down to it. So an outcome that gives some balance for Hibs will be what LD votes for. She certainly will not be voting based on some on here threatening not to come back if her vote ends up in Hertz not going down. Wake up R Soles.


I've only read a few posts but this sums it up for me as there are some bonkers attitudes out there. Really, you would give up your season ticket just because our vote didn't relegate Hearts? Radge.

I hope we adopt an adult attitude and don't vote with a look over our shoulders to Gorgie, but hope it's whatever Leeann and the rest of the board decide is best for us then the rest of Scottish football as we can't play in the league by ourselves.

We have to put aside our petty squabbles and get on with it. Hearts are in a mess due to their own mismanagement but I'd rather they were still around to beat.

[Paisley Hibby]

I actually think her statement is reasonsble and pretty non-committal.

She also makes it clear that Budge has been lobbying her about voiding the season, something she has flat out refused to consider (maybe she gave Budge some tips...😉)

However i understand people's concerns, and the history of Hibs is littered with supposedly 'moral' decisions that have absolutely cost the club in the immoral, or amoral, world of football. Hibs are not a ruthless club, and that is not often a good thing in the dog eat dog world of football.

I also would like someone to explain to me the rationale and benefits of reconstruction. From memory, reconstruction that has happened in the past has been discussed ad nauseum, and planned a season in advance - and yet this version wasnt even on the horizon just a few weeks ago.

Hibs decision will be based solely on which option is best for Hibs - as it should be. Nothing moral about that. Whether we like it or not, a decision that results in Hearts staying up will be to our benefit financially. If the situation was reversed Hearts would do the same - given the financial state they're in they'd hardly vote to get less money just in order to relegate Hibs.

[The 90+2]

Hibs decision will be based solely on which option is best for Hibs - as it should be. Nothing moral about that. Whether we like it or not, a decision that results in Hearts staying up will be to our benefit financially. If the situation was reversed Hearts would do the same - given the financial state they're in they'd hardly vote to get less money just in order to relegate Hibs.

I’ll remind you of that when hearts overspend next season to sign a player over us as per and finish ahead of us to qualify for Europe 👍 one derby at Easter road isn’t worth it.

[we are hibs]

Hearts would 100% vote to relegate Hibs.

[Baldy Foghorn]

The FTB episode was horrendous to be involved in, factor in the cheating Romanov era, then the word integrity, shouldn't be spouted by that mob.

[The 90+2]

Hearts would 100% vote to relegate Hibs.

Of course they would. They would have a Hibs are relegated fund raiser with paints and **** to get back the losses of a derby.

[Hibs90]

Hearts are in a mess due to their own mismanagement but I'd rather they were still around to beat.

Which we couldn't do TWICE at home this season.

[Bishop Hibee]

Send them down. If Hibs vote to keep them in it won’t make me hand back my ST. It’s a different scenario than the Oldco one. I wouldn’t have any trust in Gordon or Dempster again though. As for league reconstruction, I like the league the way it is and have no interest in a 16 team league with less games and more meaningless ones. Our crowds are good which suggests I’m not a lone voice.

[The 90+2]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/clubs-vote-celtic-handed-title-21843510

[monarch]

God forbid that we ever get to the day whereby Hibs are run by fan power and polls like this one. What a load of Tom Kite.
I trust LD and the Board to vote in whichever way means the best balanced outcome for both Hibs and for the game.
I don't buy this theoretical parking of self-interest and votes being cast solely on what is best for the game overall. Fine in theory but it just doesn't work when it comes down to it. So an outcome that gives some balance for Hibs will be what LD votes for. She certainly will not be voting based on some on here threatening not to come back if her vote ends up in Hertz not going down. Wake up R Soles.

Agree.
Some of the fan ideas over the years from the top of my head:

Build a hotel in the car park. We’d make a fortune from away supporters staying there for European games
pay Derek Riordan £20k per week to get him to stay
Fill in the corners (even though we only manage to sell out the Current capacity twice a year max)
tell Sky to take a run and jump
Don’t sell away end tickets to the Old firm or Hearts.


Some really clued up members of our support there (not).

Also slightly disturbing to note that the “moral majority” of the pollsters seem to be quite happy that, so long as Hearts are relegated, the collateral damage of Partick Thistle’s situation is acceptable.

[hibsboy69]

If Hibs do not support the proposals it would be the biggest PR own goal ever scored..........by a distance (like it or lump it, it's true).

Surely the club know this and won't risk ruining the current great relationship with the fans ?!

Lets hope the club see sense on this and do the right thing by the fans.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/clubs-vote-celtic-handed-title-21843510

Embarrassing that we are seen as a no. Hope we don’t jeopardise the new SKY deal for no clear reason.


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[The 90+2]

Embarrassing that we are seen as a no. Hope we don’t jeopardise the new SKY deal for no clear reason.


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We should have a statement out to the support for clarification regardless of what way we vote. I would love to see them justify keeping hearts in the league.

[erin go bragh]

Hearts would 100% vote to relegate Hibs.
99% of their fans would but not so sure about Budge .

[Ozyhibby]

We should have a statement out to the support for clarification regardless of what way we vote. I would love to see them justify keeping hearts in the league.

I still don’t believe we will do it. If we do it must be because we think it’s a good idea to complete the league in August/September and are happy to delay next season.
I’m not sure Sky would be keen to wait around until October. I’m not sure many clubs would make it to October.


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[The 90+2]

99% of their fans would but not so sure about Budge .

Aye she would. She would come out with the almost fan owned and it’s the will of the fans.

[blackpoolhibs]

With them putting the new stand up without the castle view, hiding the pitch from season ticket holders with the Police room.

Forgetting to order the seats, over running the build by years and there's plenty more, it wouldn't surprise me if she voted the wrong way and got them relegated.

[hibsboy69]

Aye she would. She would come out with the almost fan owned and it’s the will of the fans.

Agree 100%

[Pinkie]

With them putting the new stand up without the castle view, hiding the pitch from season ticket holders with the Police room.

Forgetting to order the seats, over running the build by years and there's plenty more, it wouldn't surprise me if she voted the wrong way and got them relegated.

Post of the day. Laughed out loud at that.

[JimBHibees]

With them putting the new stand up without the castle view, hiding the pitch from season ticket holders with the Police room.

Forgetting to order the seats, over running the build by years and there's plenty more, it wouldn't surprise me if she voted the wrong way and got them relegated.

:faf:

[Bostonhibby]

With them putting the new stand up without the castle view, hiding the pitch from season ticket holders with the Police room.

Forgetting to order the seats, over running the build by years and there's plenty more, it wouldn't surprise me if she voted the wrong way and got them relegated.[emoji23]

We have a winner

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[The 90+2]

I still don’t believe we will do it. If we do it must be because we think it’s a good idea to complete the league in August/September and are happy to delay next season.
I’m not sure Sky would be keen to wait around until October. I’m not sure many clubs would make it to October.


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If we do mate there must be a massive explanation/justification given to the support. I think we will wait until Aberdeen vote before deciding 😁

[The 90+2]

With them putting the new stand up without the castle view, hiding the pitch from season ticket holders with the Police room.

Forgetting to order the seats, over running the build by years and there's plenty more, it wouldn't surprise me if she voted the wrong way and got them relegated.

😁😁

[MWHIBBIES]

Spiteful may be correct. There is a significant amount of bad blood in Scottish football that stems from the actions of Hearts and Rangers.
Hibs decision to look the other way then means they are not being given much leeway from fans now. You can call it spiteful if you like but it’s not without foundation.


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How did Hibs look the other way?

[MWHIBBIES]

Embarrassing that we are seen as a no. Hope we don’t jeopardise the new SKY deal for no clear reason.


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Embarrassing we still allow that paper to be linked on here never mind people actually believing anything in it.

[NAE NOOKIE]

I’ll remind you of that when hearts overspend next season to sign a player over us as per and finish ahead of us to qualify for Europe 👍 one derby at Easter road isn’t worth it.



If Hibs do not support the proposals it would be the biggest PR own goal ever scored..........by a distance (like it or lump it, it's true).

Surely the club know this and won't risk ruining the current great relationship with the fans ?!

Lets hope the club see sense on this and do the right thing by the fans.


So basically we want rid of Hearts because folk are scared they will finish higher up the league than us, or because the fans want to see them suffer. If what Hibs do for the good of our club benefits Hearts it would be a PR disaster for the club would it .... utter pish.

[Eyrie]

If we relegate Hearts, that lets them claim they're being victimised.

Instead we relegate the worst team, and rub their noses in the fact that it's big spending Hearts who went down.

[The 90+2]

So basically we want rid of Hearts because folk are scared they will finish higher up the league than us, or because the fans want to see them suffer. If what Hibs do for the good of our club benefits Hearts it would be a PR disaster for the club would it .... utter pish.

Again, why is it in our best interests to keep hearts in the league? Derby revenue? That’s it. There’s literally no other reason, one or possibly two derbies at Easter road? So let’s keep them up just for that regardless of them being the worst team in the league and regardless of them constantly overspending, sly digs at our club and manager and acting like pompous ********s since the beginning of time? It’s sod all to do with being scared of hearts either, it’s about gaining advantages over our city rival at a time our new owner has ambitions for us to be undoubtedly the best club in Edinburgh.

[Green Blood]

In life you meet all sorts of people, hard liners, pacifists, demonstrable types and liberalists etc, etc. Some people won't or cannot make judgements that may hurt or impair others so they try to pass themselves off as people who forgive those that have done wrong or they believe that people do in fact do no wrong. They often think they sit above the common man and have an intelligence that others don't. These people are dangerous!! Let HMFC reap what they sow and have done for years, ffs I can't believe we are even debating it. Never forget May 2012, surely that has to be the boot in the balls these liberal loonies need right now.

By the way, LD's words are holllow, she is playing the politics game. She wants the unwashed down just as much as most sensible Hibees do!

[Viva_Palmeiras]

In life you meet all sorts of people, hard liners, pacifists, demonstrable types and liberalists etc, etc. Some people won't or cannot make judgements that may hurt or impair others so they try to pass themselves off as people who forgive those that have done wrong or they believe that people do in fact do no wrong. They often think they sit above the common man and have an intelligence that others don't. These people are dangerous!! Let HMFC reap what they sow and have done for years, ffs I can't believe we are even debating it. Never forget May 2012, surely that has to be the boot in the balls these liberal loonies need right now.

By the way, LD's words are holllow, she is playing the politics game. She wants the unwashed down just as much as most sensible Hibees do!

Did you form this view before or after speaking with Nelson Mandela?

[Haymaker]

Send them down.

[TObeachesHibby]

Very interesting thread . There are a couple of key points here which will influence all SPL clubs decision making and not just Hibs . 1. how will the new TV deal be affected by a delayed start to the new season , due to trying to finish the current one in late August/September ? and 2. Would the new TV deal have to be scrapped / renegotiated if there was a 14 team league (42 games) instead of existing 12 team league (48 games) ? . The answer to 1 is that it is increasingly unlikely that competitive games (even behind close doors) will not start before beginning September , as all teams will require at least 3 weeks of training and practice games . This will become evident in next few days when govt advises how long COVID restrictions stay in place. The answer to 2 , is that the SPL should already be in discussions with Sky as to what revisions are on/off the table . There is no way the SPL will allow the TV deal to falter. Thus it is likely the vote will be to make a decision on announced set date in 2-3 weeks time after govt and UEFA have provided further clarification . This gets the league/SPL off the hook from having to make a decision now, citing changing situation. . Then in 2-3 weeks , they will then announce league is complete...... allowing payment of monies to clubs , allowing clubs to plan for upcoming season and perhaps most importantly to the SPL clubs ... preserve the new TV deal. The clubs will also look at the lead taken by the Belgian league , which has called time on their season .

......and after all that , Hearts will be relegated.. :agree::greengrin

[Forza Fred]

Hibs decision will be based solely on which option is best for Hibs - as it should be. Nothing moral about that. Whether we like it or not, a decision that results in Hearts staying up will be to our benefit financially. If the situation was reversed Hearts would do the same - given the financial state they're in they'd hardly vote to get less money just in order to relegate Hibs.

Short term yes.

Long term, possibly no.

I seem to recall Rangers making such noises about their financial clout a few years ago..predicting desperation and doom for the remaining top flight clubs if they were relegated.

Well we all survived.

I say again, I don't know of any business that thrives as a result of totally psiishing off their customers.

We are the customers that keep the business afloat....and it is evident that OVERWHELMINGLY the customers want hearts to be relegated.

To vote against the customers' wishes, even if they are based on emotion, would be a foolhardy act which would drive a wedge between the supporter base and the current board.

[hibsboy69]

So basically we want rid of Hearts because folk are scared they will finish higher up the league than us, or because the fans want to see them suffer. If what Hibs do for the good of our club benefits Hearts it would be a PR disaster for the club would it .... utter pish.

Are you suggesting that severely alienating the vast vast majority of the fans (or customers) will benefit Hibs ?

Seen as you seem to enjoy throwing insults, here’s one back.........Utter garbage you bounder ! 😂

[hibsboy69]

Short term yes.

Long term, possibly no.

I seem to recall Rangers making such noises about their financial clout a few years ago..predicting desperation and doom for the remaining top flight clubs if they were relegated.

Well we all survived.

I say again, I don't know of any business that thrives as a result of totally psiishing off their customers.

We are the customers that keep the business afloat....and it is evident that OVERWHELMINGLY the customers want hearts to be relegated.

To vote against the customers' wishes, even if they are based on emotion, would be a foolhardy act which would drive a wedge between the supporter base and the current board.

This - 100%

[TimeForHeroes16]

The correct call will be made I’ll be shocked if we don’t vote to send them packing, if we do favour them staying up I’d be fuming that would be unforgivable

[Ozyhibby]

The correct call will be made I’ll be shocked if we don’t vote to send them packing, if we do favour them staying up I’d be fuming that would be unforgivable

Agree. Dempster is not stupid.


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[hibsboy69]

The correct call will be made I’ll be shocked if we don’t vote to send them packing, if we do favour them staying up I’d be fuming that would be unforgivable

Yes agree - any money made by finishing 6th instead of 7th and by having 1 (maybe 2) home derbies would be lees than the money lost by alienating the fans (people not renewing, new STs not bought.......or dare i day people who have renewed asking for their money back !)

Notwithstanding the above, it’s difficult to put a financial price on severely damaging the currently very strong “feel good” fan/club relationship

I hope Ron and Leeann fully appreciate this !

[Peevemor]

The correct call will be made I’ll be shocked if we don’t vote to send them packing, if we do favour them staying up I’d be fuming that would be unforgivable


Agree. Dempster is not stupid.


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Yes agree - any money made by finishing 6th instead of 7th and by having 1 (maybe 2) home derbies would be lees than the money lost by alienating the fans (people not renewing, new STs not bought.......or dare i day people who have renewed asking for their money back !)

Notwithstanding the above, it’s difficult to put a financial price on severely damaging the currently very strong “feel good” fan/club relationship

I hope Ron and Leeann fully appreciate this !

Partick Thistle are currently 2 points adrift at the bottom of their table, with a game in hand against a team they've taken maximum points from this season.

Do you think they should be relegated?

[Hibs4185]

The good thing about this thread is that it has currently identified 30 yam infiltrators who voted no.

[WhileTheChief..]

It’s not fair on Partick, but yeah they should be relegated. Same with Hearts.

They are where they are based on their crappy results.

The season has to end. I’d say it would be more unfair not to promote the teams that have won their leagues.

Think of it this way. If Dundee Utd don’t get promoted they are being punished. If Hearts don’t get relegated they are being rewarded.

Why punish success and reward failure? That’s just can’t be right.

[hibsboy69]

Partick Thistle are currently 2 points adrift at the bottom of their table, with a game in hand against a team they've taken maximum points from this season.

Do you think they should be relegated?

Unprecedented times. Yes sadly.

Do you think Celtic deserve the title and hearts deserve to go down ?

[hibsboy69]

It’s not fair on Partick, but yeah they should be relegated. Same with Hearts.

They are where they are based on their crappy results.

The season has to end. I’d say it would be more unfair not to promote the teams that have won their leagues.

Think of it this way. If Dundee Utd don’t get promoted they are being punished. If Hearts don’t get relegated they are being rewarded.

Why punish success and reward failure? That’s just can’t be right.

Very good post

[Peevemor]

It’s not fair on Partick, but yeah they should be relegated. Same with Hearts.

They are where they are based on their crappy results.

The season has to end. I’d say it would be more unfair not to promote the teams that have won their leagues.

Think of it this way. If Dundee Utd don’t get promoted they are being punished. If Hearts don’t get relegated they are being rewarded.

Why punish success and reward failure? That’s just can’t be right.

I'd be delighted if Hearts go down. If it was me voting today, I would happily stop the league and relegate them.

However, if I was being asked to vote today to relegate Partick Thistle (which is what the clubs are being asked to do), I'm not sure I could do that and certainly not with a clear conscience.

[AndyM_1875]

It’s not fair on Partick, but yeah they should be relegated. Same with Hearts.

They are where they are based on their crappy results.

The season has to end. I’d say it would be more unfair not to promote the teams that have won their leagues.

Think of it this way. If Dundee Utd don’t get promoted they are being punished. If Hearts don’t get relegated they are being rewarded.

Why punish success and reward failure? That’s just can’t be right.

I agree, it really isn't fair on Partick. However they'll romp league 1 net year should their relegation be confirmed.
As for Hearts, they've made their bed this year they can go lie in it and the stench of their financial cheating years lingers.

Where I see an issue is with Brechin/Kelty/Brora fighting for a place in League2. Brechin have been awful all season and the two other sides have been excellent.
Kelty and Brora are being told just to go away and that all their efforts were for nothing.

[hibby rae]

Agree. Dempster is not stupid.


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Going by Leanne's comments in the Glasgow Times, and on BBC gossip page. I think we will be voting to end the league.

[steviehibsleith]

I agree, it really isn't fair on Partick. However they'll romp league 1 net year should their relegation be confirmed.
As for Hearts, they've made their bed this year they can go lie in it and the stench of their financial cheating years lingers.

Where I see an issue is with Brechin/Kelty/Brora fighting for a place in League2. Brechin have been awful all season and the two other sides have been excellent.
Kelty and Brora are being told just to go away and that all their efforts were for nothing.
Agree there are a lot of losers even Falkirk who are finishing strong but everyone knew from the start that this would have losers but it seems the best solution..... Scottish football needs to move forward and no football at all before June brings into play Contracts which would itself be a minefield

[marinello59]

The good thing about this thread is that it has currently identified 30 yam infiltrators who voted no.
Really?
How about 30 good Hibs fans who just happen to have a different view point from yourself.

[Jim44]

Really?
How about 30 good Hibs fans who just happen to have a different view point from yourself.

A bit ambiguous but I think I know what you are saying. However, it could be construed that you think that the majority who voted to relegate Hearts are bad Hibs fans, if you get my drift.

[Bostonhibby]

It’s not fair on Partick, but yeah they should be relegated. Same with Hearts.

They are where they are based on their crappy results.

The season has to end. I’d say it would be more unfair not to promote the teams that have won their leagues.

Think of it this way. If Dundee Utd don’t get promoted they are being punished. If Hearts don’t get relegated they are being rewarded.

Why punish success and reward failure? That’s just can’t be right.

[emoji106]

It's a marathon, not a sprint, it's unfortunate for some that an external force brought the season to a premature end but they are where they are on merit so those occupying the relegation positions at the wrong time simply have to go, punishing success and rewarding failure is the right analogy.

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[neil7908]

The good thing about this thread is that it has currently identified 30 yam infiltrators who voted no.

Hahaha, what? Its times like this the prospect of fan ownership terrifies me and I'm grateful we have competent, rational professionals running the club.

[Gloucester Hibs]

The folk making the “business case” for saving the poppy thieves are IMO a bit short sighted and likely the same folk who said they’d prefer promotion to a Scottish Cup win in 2016 (and there were plenty).

[greenpaper55]

The longer the indecision lasts then the longer it will be before we get the cash from the SPL, i think the shortage of cash will swing it round to finish the season early, all the SPL has to do is wait it out and even Hibs will vote for it.

[The Captain....]

Quite honestly I couldn't give a toss. This virus business has confirmed to me how fed up I am with football these days. Beam me up, Scotty!Me too tbh..was getting to a point anyway where I'm getting a bit fed up with it all before all this happened.

Doubt I'll renew the season ticket for a range of reasons. 40 odd years of attending but I think I'll concentrate on throwing my diminishing pension funds away on the horses.

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[cocteautwin]

When's the vote and when will the results be announced?

[cocteautwin]

When's the vote and when will the results be announced?

Actually, just to answer my own question, from The Telegraph:

" . . . . . . the 5pm Friday deadline for votes on the SPFL plan is actually advisory because the rules allow for a response time of up to 28 days. Nobody seems to have thought of a way to exploit that part of the rulebook but, as always in these wars of self-interest, never say never."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/04/09/spfl-moves-close-scottish-championship-leagues-1-2-average-points/

[CorrieHibs]

Going by Leanne's comments in the Glasgow Times, and on BBC gossip page. I think we will be voting to end the league.

Really? Other papers saying we’re voting no and looking at another solutions.

[Crazyhorse]

The folk making the “business case” for saving the poppy thieves are IMO a bit short sighted and likely the same folk who said they’d prefer promotion to a Scottish Cup win in 2016 (and there were plenty).

I probably think the same as you do on these issues but I’m happy this place is not an echo chamber. I doubt if I would still be on here after about 20 years if it was.

[Waxy]

If they somehow got to stay up their fans would be right in our faces about it.
And next season when their benefactor has let them overspend again and they score another late deflected winner at Easter road, how will you feel that the justice of relegation just didnt happen because of events nothing to do with football.
Can we just get them down now please.

[The Harp Awakes]

Hate the rag but there's a good summary in the Daily Ranger today of voting intentions of the Scottish premier clubs:

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/how-every-spfl-club-set-21843827

Aberdeen too close to call, but has Hibs down as a 'No' along with Rangers and Hearts. Looks like Hibs vote may well keep Hearts up if Aberdeen follow suit.

This won't sit well with the vast majority of Hibs supporters.

[wearethehibs]

Just had a quick read through some of the comments on this thread. Interesting to see that a lot of fans seem to hate Hearts more than they love Hibs.

No matter what Hibs do I'll still be at every game supporting them.

[Peevemor]

Hate the rag but there's a good summary in the Daily Ranger today of voting intentions of the Scottish premier clubs:

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/how-every-spfl-club-set-21843827

Aberdeen too close to call, but has Hibs down as a 'No' along with Rangers and Hearts. Looks like Hibs vote may well keep Hearts up if Aberdeen follow suit.

This won't sit well with the vast majority of Hibs supporters.

Why are you stirring the ****?

Are you a Hibs supporter? If so why are you so keen to see the fans up in arms with the club?

Whatever way today's vote goes, the issue of Hearts' relegation isn't decided/confirmed.

[The Harp Awakes]

Just had a quick read through some of the comments on this thread. Interesting to see that a lot of fans seem to hate Hearts more than they love Hibs.

No matter what Hibs do I'll still be at every game supporting them.

You're making the wrong assumption. The benefits to Hibs financially of voting No are unclear particularly if there is dissent over their decision from a large % of the support

I don't really care about Hearts and never have done but hanging onto the notion that somehow the season is going to be completed is ridiculous. The league must be called now and the focus moved onto next season. If that involves restructuring to save Hearts necks so be it.

[dalkeith stu]

If the poll was anything like rational you'd have a point. In truth the question is hugely biased towards the vote that's been achieved. If the question was 'Do you want Hearts to be relegated' I would certainly have voted yes. If it was do you want the club to concede 6th place to St Johnstone and give them £130k I would say the outcome would be very different.
How does saving Hearts ensure we finish 6th and receive an extra £130k??

[CropleyWasGod]

The good thing about this thread is that it has currently identified 30 yam infiltrators who voted no.

Is it not a secret ballot?

[The Harp Awakes]

Why are you stirring the ****?

Are you a Hibs supporter? If so why are you so keen to see the fans up in arms with the club?

Whatever way today's vote goes, the issue of Hearts' relegation isn't decided/confirmed.

Maybe that question is more appropriate directed at yourself? Look at the results of the poll.

The article pretty much reflects the current position. Would you prefer if it was swept under the rug?

Like the vast majority of Hibs supporters I don't agree with the Club voting No' if that's what they do. It's kicking the can down the road.

[Daydreamer]

Never ever forget what they wanted to do us in 1990. The majority of the Hearts support wanted rid of us. I remember finishing work and going down to Easter Road with around 300 others to show our displeasure. If Dempster had have been around then she would'nt be voting NO now. GET THEM DOWN!!!!!

[CropleyWasGod]

Why are you stirring the ****?

Are you a Hibs supporter? If so why are you so keen to see the fans up in arms with the club?

Whatever way today's vote goes, the issue of Hearts' relegation isn't decided/confirmed.

Thanks for clarifying that. I was beginning to think I had misunderstood the vote.

I think that has passed a lot of people by.

[Ozyhibby]

The folk making the “business case” for saving the poppy thieves are IMO a bit short sighted and likely the same folk who said they’d prefer promotion to a Scottish Cup win in 2016 (and there were plenty).

Woah, easy. I said that. I realised within about two seconds of the final whistle I was wrong but in the run up, all I cared about about was promotion.


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[Hibs4185]

Is it not a secret ballot?

Just kidding Crops. Personally I would save them if there was a permanent and effective league reconstruction, so I would be a ‘yam infiltrator’ too! But as it stands, I feel there is no other option to relegate hearts.

It is a secret ballot to us mere mortals, but maybe the admin pricks can see who the 30 nae sayers are. Name and shame!! Kidding.

[Peevemor]

Maybe that question is more appropriate directed at yourself?

Away and do one!


Look at the results of the poll.

The poll's badly formulated and, apart from anything else, I'd be very surprised if it reflects the opinion of the Hibs support as a whole.


The article pretty much reflects the current position. Would you prefer if it was swept under the rug?

If what was swept under the rug?


Like the vast majority of Hibs supporters I don't agree with the Club voting No' if that's what they do. It's kicking the can down the road.

Vast majority? The vast majority, on here, who could be arsed responding to a badly worded question. And regardless of the result of today's vote, the can is being kicked down the road anyway.

[Peevemor]

Thanks for clarifying that. I was beginning to think I had misunderstood the vote.

I think that has passed a lot of people by.

It's scary how ill-informed some people choose to remain.

[lord bunberry]

If they somehow got to stay up their fans would be right in our faces about it.
And next season when their benefactor has let them overspend again and they score another late deflected winner at Easter road, how will you feel that the justice of relegation just didnt happen because of events nothing to do with football.
Can we just get them down now please.
That’s exactly how this should be looked at. Fans will be absolutely livid if they beat us next season and that anger would be aimed directly at the board. If they then went on to finish above us or knock us out of the cup that anger would be even greater. Someone said earlier that this scenario is based on fear of losing to them, it absolutely isn’t, it’s a situation that that the board would 100% have to deal with if the above happens. Do they really want to risk it?

[Big_Franck]

Away and do one!



The poll's badly formulated and, apart from anything else, I'd be very surprised if it reflects the opinion of the Hibs support as a whole.



If what was swept under the rug?



Vast majority? The vast majority, on here, who could be arsed responding to a badly worded question. And regardless of the result of today's vote, the can is being kicked down the road anyway.

That part I agree with. It's probably higher than 90%.

[Ozyhibby]

That’s exactly how this should be looked at. Fans will be absolutely livid if they beat us next season and that anger would be aimed directly at the board. If they then went on to finish above us or knock us out of the cup that anger would be even greater. Someone said earlier that this scenario is based on fear of losing to them, it absolutely isn’t, it’s a situation that that the board would 100% have to deal with if the above happens. Do they really want to risk it?

It’s not just that. Any vote of no now is a vote to delay the start of next season, putting the Sky deal at risk. Can the Hibs board risk doing that? Do they not have a duty to the shareholders? If that deal is lost on the back of something that Hibs voted against then how is that in our commercial interests?


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[The Harp Awakes]

Away and do one!



The poll's badly formulated and, apart from anything else, I'd be very surprised if it reflects the opinion of the Hibs support as a whole.



If what was swept under the rug?



Vast majority? The vast majority, on here, who could be arsed responding to a badly worded question. And regardless of the result of today's vote, the can is being kicked down the road anyway.

Your comments infer that you don't want Hibs fans to know that their Cub's vote is crucial to deciding Hearts fate = sweeping it under the rug.

If you genuinely think that Hibs fans are nonplussed about the Club's voting intentions then I think you are being naive to say the least.

[ABZHFC]

Vote to send them down, it's that simple. As others have said, people who promote the "financial benefits" of decisions that clearly are not in our benefit as a club are typically short-sighted and unable to see the bigger picture (as we saw with the whole promotion vs cup win debate in 2016). Get them gone, I do not care if they'll bring a bigger away support than Dundee United will, I'd rather we never played them for 5 years. And if anyone disagrees with that, I'd suggest they think back to the 3rd of March 2020, and just how badly we were embarrassed by them even with them sitting 12th. Call me a pessimist, but I don't want them to have the chance to do it again for a good while.

Sink them, now

[Peevemor]

Your comments infer that you don't want Hibs fans to know that their Cub's vote is crucial to deciding Hearts fate = sweeping it under the rug.

Eh? Where are you getting that from? Interpretation really isn't your strong point is it?


If you genuinely think that Hibs fans are nonplussed about the Club's viting intentions then I think you are being naive to say the least.


I'd prefer it if you didn't put words in my mouth. I don't think that at all and certainly never said it.

[Peevemor]

Vote to send them down, it's that simple. As others have said, people who promote the "financial benefits" of decisions that clearly are not in our benefit as a club are typically short-sighted and unable to see the bigger picture (as we saw with the whole promotion vs cup win debate in 2016). Get them gone, I do not care if they'll bring a bigger away support than Dundee United will, I'd rather we never played them for 5 years. And if anyone disagrees with that, I'd suggest they think back to the 3rd of March 2020, and just how badly we were embarrassed by them even with them sitting 12th. Call me a pessimist, but I don't want them to have the chance to do it again for a good while.

Sink them, now

The vote is about so much more than that. Whatever happens to hearts is just collateral damage.

[ABZHFC]

The vote is about so much more than that. Whatever happens to hearts is just collateral damage.

Will this season realistically get finished? Unlikely. Do we want it null and void? No danger. Does ending the season as things stand piss off the fans of our two greatest rivals? Yes.

Get it done

[Since90+2]

Eh? Where are you getting that from? Interpretation really isn't your strong point is it?



I'd prefer it if you didn't put words in my mouth. I don't think that at all and certainly never said it.

The vast majority of Hibs fans will want Hearts relegated. If you think otherwise you are mistaken.

[lord bunberry]

It’s not just that. Any vote of no now is a vote to delay the start of next season, putting the Sky deal at risk. Can the Hibs board risk doing that? Do they not have a duty to the shareholders? If that deal is lost on the back of something that Hibs voted against then how is that in our commercial interests?


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I agree, it isn’t in our interest to vote against this under any circumstances. The loss of 6th place and the money that brings isn’t a strong argument as we could finish lower than 7th if the games are played.

[Peevemor]

The vast majority of Hibs fans will want Hearts relegated. If you think otherwise you are mistaken.

Show me where I said otherwise.

I'm not sure that the vast majoity will turn on the club if Hearts aren't relegated though. It would depend on the circumstances.

[Peevemor]

Will this season realistically get finished? Unlikely. Do we want it null and void? No danger. Does ending the season as things stand piss off the fans of our two greatest rivals? Yes.

Get it done

I agree with everything you've said there.

But the last one shouldn't influence how the club votes.

[Sammy7nil]

Why are you stirring the ****?

Are you a Hibs supporter? If so why are you so keen to see the fans up in arms with the club?

Whatever way today's vote goes, the issue of Hearts' relegation isn't decided/confirmed.

Calm down Mrs he posted a link to a story widely available hardly shhit stirring.

[CropleyWasGod]

Will this season realistically get finished? Unlikely. Do we want it null and void? No danger. Does ending the season as things stand piss off the fans of our two greatest rivals? Yes.

Get it done

That's not what this vote is about, though.

[Peevemor]

Calm down Mrs he posted a link to a story widely available hardly shhit stirring.

For me he is.

He seems to be relishing the idea of "the vast majority" of Hibs' supporters being unhappy. He keeps going on about it.

[davhibby]

The biggest issue for me is about Season Tickets for next season. If this goes through today I’d get my head around getting mine bought for next season soon since we’d have a good idea of what’s going to happen. Hibs voting against this today adds to the possibility of a shortened season next year which makes forking out for an st now a much harder decision

[The Harp Awakes]

Eh? Where are you getting that from? Interpretation really isn't your strong point is it?



I'd prefer it if you didn't put words in my mouth. I don't think that at all and certainly never said it.

Look mate, I have nothing against you and I'm sure like me, you have the best interests of the Club at heart.

You went off on one for me posting a link to a newspaper article which summarises the premier club's positions. That is 100% relevant to the thread and I don't see why somehow it shouldn't be out in the open or covered up.

We clearly disagree on Hibs' approach on this and I'm happy to have a debate about it, but please leave personal slurs out of it.

[Onion]

The vote is about so much more than that. Whatever happens to hearts is just collateral damage.

Collateral is something of value. Think you mean waste disposal.

[lord bunberry]

That's not what this vote is about, though.
It’s not, but the model will almost certainly be used to decide the top league as well. There will have to be another vote on that, but it’s unlikely that clubs in the top flight would change their vote. Obviously we would then have another vote on reconstruction.

[CropleyWasGod]

It’s not, but the model will almost certainly be used to decide the top league as well. There will have to be another vote on that, but it’s unlikely that clubs in the top flight would change their vote. Obviously we would then have another vote on reconstruction.

Is that the case, though? A couple of clubs might prefer to wait and see for a few weeks, at which point their view hardens.

[Gloucester Hibs]

Woah, easy. I said that. I realised within about two seconds of the final whistle I was wrong but in the run up, all I cared about about was promotion.


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Appreciate that mate, wasn't meaning it as a dig or a smug "I told you so" at you or other fellow supporters, guess I could've worded it better :aok:

On the financials alone it probably comes to whether you believe the loss in revenue from one or possibly 2 derbies can be offset by selling extra seats e.g. against Dundee United and longer term further establishing ourselves as Edinburgh's premier club (more appealing to new fans etc). Although a large part of me does also just want to see Hearts suffer!

[mcfly]

Hibs are treading a dangerous path with their fans if they vote to keep hearts up. I would not be happy about it

How will fans feel when hearts overspend again on players they can’t afford and beat us at Easter road?

Just saying if we had done our job at home this year against them this wouldn’t be up for argument as they’d be down already.

[Ozyhibby]

Appreciate that mate, wasn't meaning it as a dig or a smug "I told you so" at you or other fellow supporters, guess I could've worded it better :aok:

On the financials alone it probably comes to whether you believe the loss in revenue from one or possibly 2 derbies can be offset by selling extra seats e.g. against Dundee United and longer term further establishing ourselves as Edinburgh's premier club (more appealing to new fans etc). Although a large part of me does also just want to see Hearts suffer!

It’s more about risking the new tv deal and shortening next season by trying to finish this one in August/September. Club have just passed 3000 season tickets. Are they going to have to tell those fans that next season won’t be as long because we are determined to finish this one?


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[Peevemor]

Look mate, I have nothing against you and I'm sure like me, you have the best interests of the Club at heart.

You went off on one for me posting a link to a newspaper article which summarises the premier club's positions. That is 100% relevant to the thread and I don't see why somehow it shouldn't be out in the open or covered up.

We clearly disagree on Hibs' approach on this and I'm happy to have a debate about it, but please leave personal slurs out of it.That's my point though.

You seem to be criticising Hibs' approach. You're saying that the "vast majority" of supporters will be unhappy with it.

The thing is, we don't know what Hibs approach is (apart from Leeann Dempster saying that we shouldn't rush into things).

There's outrage for no reason.

[lord bunberry]

Is that the case, though? A couple of clubs might prefer to wait and see for a few weeks, at which point their view hardens.
It’s possible if the virus clears away quicker than anticipated that clubs will change their minds and vote to wait and see if the games can be played. The vote today sets the precedent for the most likely outcome for the premiership though.

[The Harp Awakes]

That's my point though.

You seem to be criticising Hibs' approach. You're saying that the "vast majority" of supporters will be unhappy with it.

The thing is, we don't know what Hibs approach is (apart from Leeann Dempster saying that we shouldn't rush into things).

There's outrage for no reason.

Ok, let's see how it goes today. I am concerned that the Club make the same mistake they made over the Rangers debacle, where we voted against an independent inquiry.

I don't want a them and us situation again between supporters and Club, and I am fearful that will happen if Hibs vote No today.

[Peevemor]

Ok, let's see how it goes today. I am concerned that the Club make the same mistake they made over the Rangers debacle, where we voted against an independent inquiry.

I don't want a them and us situation again between supporters and Club, and I am fearful that will happen if Hibs vote No today.Today's vote isn't only about relegating Hearts (which won't even be decided either way). There's more to it than that.

Some clubs may be happy to see Hearts relegated but will vote no for other reasons.

[Box 17]

With the overall Covid 19 situation changing by the day you can understand why they don't want to make a final decision at this point. The lockdown may well be relaxed in the next month or so and there might be an opportunity to play the remaining games, perhaps behind closed doors. Who knows?

I doubt if relegating Hearts is a major factor in LD's thoughts, she is probably more concerned about the financial cost of calling the season and having to refund season ticket holders for the un-played games.

[The Harp Awakes]

Today's vote isn't only about relegating Hearts (which won't even be decided either way). There's more to it than that.

Some clubs may be happy to see Hearts relegated but will vote no for other reasons.

Agree that today's vote doesn't create any certainty, and that regardless of the outcome Hearts won't be relegated today.

However, a Yes vote today makes it likely Hearts will be relegated given that it is virtually certain games won't be completed. The decision would be ratified when UEFA accept this position.

League reconstruction is the only other way Hearts will be saved, which I've already said I wouldn't have a big problem with if it was for the good of Hibs and Scottish football. Can't see reconstruction happening though as 1 of the OF would need to be on board. No chance.

[Brightside]

What time is the vote?

[Caversham Green]

How does saving Hearts ensure we finish 6th and receive an extra £130k??

It doesn't.

Accepting the recommendations on the table (assuming it eventually extends to the premiership) promotes St Johnstone to sixth place and costs us the extra prize money. My post was suggesting that if the poll question was worded in that way rather than implying that the vote was all about relegating Hearts - which it isn't and never will be - then the results would have been very different. Not accepting the recommendations means that other methods of assessing the final placings will have to be considered. Assuming some sort of outcome prediction for the missed games is not feasible my choice would be to take the tables as they stand rather than applying the points per game method. No course of action can be 100% fair but the proposed course of action is unfair on our club IMO.

PS I see someone over on JKB has suggested penalty shootouts with social distancing precautions to settle the remaining games - if the scores are level after all the penalties have been taken the game is a draw. Not sure how feasible that is but it's not a bad idea on the face of it.

[we are hibs]

I'd prefer it if you didn't put words in my mouth.

How massively ironic.

[JeMeSouviens]

What time is the vote?

Deadline for clubs getting votes to the SPFL is 5pm. No idea when they'll announce the result.

[Peevemor]

How massively ironic.Explain?

[The 90+2]

Deadline for clubs getting votes to the SPFL is 5pm. No idea when they'll announce the result.

So it will be the Good Friday or No Friday agreement then?

[The Baldmans Comb]

With the overall Covid 19 situation changing by the day you can understand why they don't want to make a final decision at this point. The lockdown may well be relaxed in the next month or so and there might be an opportunity to play the remaining games, perhaps behind closed doors. Who knows?

I doubt if relegating Hearts is a major factor in LD's thoughts, she is probably more concerned about the financial cost of calling the season and having to refund season ticket holders for the un-played games.

There is no football in Scotland until at earliest 1st August being 6 weeks after the 10th June legal date given and that is just being hugely optimistic.

Hence there is no time to complete this season unless you shorten next season and that isn't on anyone's agenda.

Its null and void or call it as it stands unless a miracle solution is found.

I had actually forgotten about season tickets money for this year being refunded but don't remotely think that is on Hibs agenda either which is fair enough in the circumstances.

[Hibs90]

Today's vote isn't only about relegating Hearts (which won't even be decided either way). There's more to it than that.

Some clubs may be happy to see Hearts relegated but will vote no for other reasons.

Might not be decided today but will point the SPFL in the right direction. Stop pretending otherwise.

[Peevemor]

Might not be decided today but will point the SPFL in the right direction. Stop pretending otherwise.Great. Another one!

[RoYO!]

League reconstruction= TV deal reconstruction.

Yes or no?

Simply put the OF derbies are the highlight for sky- by a distance. Second place... Edinburgh derby?

Theres no chance sky are going to agree to a league format where they dont get their 4 OF league games a season.

Going back to ask them to consider this may even jeopardize the current deal.

So what are we left with? Finish the games before next season- not possible. Void season- not happening..

Bye hearts!

[Ozyhibby]

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[neilf27]

There is no football in Scotland until at earliest 1st August being 6 weeks after the 10th June legal date given and that is just being hugely optimistic.

Hence there is no time to complete this season unless you shorten next season and that isn't on anyone's agenda.

Its null and void or call it as it stands unless a miracle solution is found.

I had actually forgotten about season tickets money for this year being refunded but don't remotely think that is on Hibs agenda either which is fair enough in the circumstances.

Would next season need to be shortened though, if the current season was played to the end whenever it's safe. If 20/21 won't be finished by next May/the Euro Championships, can't we just conclude it after next summer? Just push everything back and slightly compress it until we're back to 'normal' timelines. Nobody really knows when we can resume, so if we end this season now there's no guarantee next season will be on schedule anyway.

For the player contracts side of things mentioned, I'm maybe not understanding that either. There's can be a lot of squad rotation in January transfer window and no talk of unfairness. Transfer windows could be relaxed or shifted. It's a team game regardless of who's available.

In terms of prize money/finances, couldn't clubs be paid out the majority now with the rest of the cash to follow? I think I saw Motherwell were awarded top 6 money as that was guaranteed?

For the TV deal, the games would all be played, we just don't know when, that's the case regardless of ending this season now or in 6 months time.

I've been avoiding most of this so may be repeating old arguments but haven't seen anything to convince me we can't resume the season with someone sitting down and re-planning timelines, as and when we know more.

[greenginger]

Appreciate that mate, wasn't meaning it as a dig or a smug "I told you so" at you or other fellow supporters, guess I could've worded it better :aok:

On the financials alone it probably comes to whether you believe the loss in revenue from one or possibly 2 derbies can be offset by selling extra seats e.g. against Dundee United and longer term further establishing ourselves as Edinburgh's premier club (more appealing to new fans etc). Although a large part of me does also just want to see Hearts suffer!


At the AGM Ron Gordon said his aim was to double commercial revenue for the club.

Having our Gorgie chums out of the top tier for a season or more would give us a great opportunity to secure some new deals.

However , if we are seen as a partisan club leading the call to relegate our rivals, that might not go down well in the corporate world .

Ours should be seen as a considerate approach and their relegation as An unavoidable consequence of circumstance.

No no blood on our hands. ! :greengrin

[Lee Marvin]

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Carnage about to unfold on here

[Ozyhibby]

Carnage about to unfold on here

By keeping quiet we are going to be seen as the deciding vote.


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[Lee Marvin]

By keeping quiet we are going to be seen as the deciding vote.


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Exactly. Massive moment for LD, absolutely massive

[Greenworld]

Exactly. Massive moment for LD, absolutely massiveDon't let us down thousands of season tickets are riding on this

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[Lee Marvin]

Don't let us down thousands of season tickets are riding on this

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I genuinely believe there are. Myself included.

[SteveHFC]

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The board will lose my support if they vote no.

[GreenCastle]

It will come out who voted for what or it will be easy to work out as clubs realise information.

If we vote no then the board will use limited time excuse as to why they voted that way - rather than cause friction with others.

Sky saying we may not know till Monday the outcome - but hopefully leaked earlier.

[Andy74]

Exactly. Massive moment for LD, absolutely massive

Is it? The question isn’t whether Hearts should be relegated or not and I don’t think today’s vote would even be decisive on that one way or another anyway.

[660]

The board will lose my support if they vote no.

LD will lose my backing if we vote no.

[c31]

LD will lose my backing if we vote no.

and mine..

[cabbageandribs1875]

Aberdeen will vote whichever way Sevco tell them to vote


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[CockneyRebel]

LD will lose my backing if we vote no.

It is not LD'S decision.

[Lee Marvin]

Is it? The question isn’t whether Hearts should be relegated or not and I don’t think today’s vote would even be decisive on that one way or another anyway.

Read the replies already. Make no mistake, this is a massive massive public relations call from Dempster

[Peevemor]

It is not LD'S decision.It seems the "vast majority" have a problem grasping this.

I'm sure that if Rod Petrie was still at ER, it wouldn't be Leeann getting the pelters (for something that may never happen).

[Baldy Foghorn]

I would be gutted if we vote to save them, but that wouldn't stop me following Hibs, they are my team, and I'm missing them like mad, during this crisis.

[MWHIBBIES]

Hoping we vote no, will make getting parked and getting away tickets really easy once all the fairweather fans have disappeared.

You can disagree with the vote either way but withdrawing support from the club would be far more shameful and embarrassing than any vote.

[GreenCastle]

As others have said they may vote one way today but next vote a different way..

[Hibs90]

Hoping we vote no, will make getting parked and getting away tickets really easy once all the fairweather fans have disappeared.

You can disagree with the vote either way but withdrawing support from the club would be far more shameful and embarrassing than any vote.

I don't think anyone said they would be withdrawing support, I'd still attend games but I'd pick and choose. I certainly wouldn't be purchasing a season ticket though.

[Big_Franck]

The board have worked so hard in improving the club-fan relationship over the last 5 years or so and have done some good work. Today could undo a huge amount of that and set a huge number of fans against the club.

[Peevemor]

As others have said they may vote one way today but next vote a different way..Exactly. They're lumping quite a few issues into a single vote.

For example, teams missing out on promotion play-offs might change from no to yes if they get a bung.

[KeithTheHibby]

LD will lose my backing if we vote no.

I am not convinced it is entirely her decision though.

[Ozyhibby]

Hoping we vote no, will make getting parked and getting away tickets really easy once all the fairweather fans have disappeared.

You can disagree with the vote either way but withdrawing support from the club would be far more shameful and embarrassing than any vote.

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[Peevemor]

I don't think anyone said they would be withdrawing support, I'd still attend games but I'd pick and choose. I certainly wouldn't be purchasing a season ticket though.So you'd be withdrawing (some) support?

[Ozyhibby]

I am not convinced it is entirely her decision though.

It’s a board decision and we have a fans rep on the board. Either way, whichever way Hibs vote they need to be able to explain it to the fans. And if their vote saves Hearts then it better be a good explanation.


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[MWHIBBIES]

I don't think anyone said they would be withdrawing support, I'd still attend games but I'd pick and choose. I certainly wouldn't be purchasing a season ticket though.
Oh right, thats MUCH better.

[Ozyhibby]

So you'd be withdrawing (some) support?

It’s not so much withdrawing support. A no vote is a vote to continue the league in August and therefore cut next season short. Be mad to get a season ticket in those circumstances.


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[Since90+2]

Hopefully Aberdeen,Hearts and Rangers vote for it and we vote no. Although it wouldn't be down solely to us it would be perceived as Hibs sending Hearts down.

I am confident the club are aware of the feelings of Hibs supporters and will do the correct thing.

[hfc rd]

Seems like our vote is going to be the deciding one.

If the shoe was on the other foot, they’d have no hesitation in sending us down. The board let Rangers off the hook and if they do the same again to save Hearts, then I’m not going to be one bit surprised if ST are not renewed or bought.

[The 90+2]

The board will lose my support if they vote no.

Let’s find out the reasons for voting no before jumping the gun.

[Lee Marvin]

I am not convinced it is entirely her decision though.

It probably isn't. However it would be a board decision and therefore he board would lose my trust and confidence.

Losing the trust of and potentially alienating a huge proportion of your fanbase would be a horrendous decision by Hibs.

[KeithTheHibby]

It’s a board decision and we have a fans rep on the board. Either way, whichever way Hibs vote they need to be able to explain it to the fans. And if their vote saves Hearts then it better be a good explanation.


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Yes I am sure they will however we will never know which way LD went therefore not a stick to beat her with.

What I don't understand is why Aberdeen would be keen to vote against it. Surely if the season ends they finish 4th therefore gaining a place in Europe?

No Scottish Cup games so no entry from the competition?

It is a tweet from that fanny Keith Jackson so probably not accurate anyway.

[Peevemor]

It’s not so much withdrawing support. A no vote is a vote to continue the league in August and therefore cut next season short. Be mad to get a season ticket in those circumstances.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkNo it's not.

And the league could also be continued in August with a yes vote.

[Peevemor]

Seems like our vote is going to be the deciding one.

If the shoe was on the other foot, they’d have no hesitation in sending us down. The board let Rangers off the hook and if they do the same again to save Hearts, then I’m not going to be one bit surprised if ST are not renewed or bought.Maybe we've already voted?

All votes have the same value.

[Lee Marvin]

Let’s find out the reasons for voting no before jumping the gun.

What could those reasons genuinely be that would appease the angered fans? We would, almost literally, be the only club to vote no who would not have a serious agenda to do so e.g relegation, promotion, stopping 9 in a row

[MWHIBBIES]

It’s not so much withdrawing support. A no vote is a vote to continue the league in August and therefore cut next season short. Be mad to get a season ticket in those circumstances.


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Already got mine.

[Iain G]

It probably isn't. However it would be a board decision and therefore he board would lose my trust and confidence.

Losing the trust of and potentially alienating a huge proportion of your fanbase would be a horrendous decision by Hibs.

Ron will have the final say.

[KeithTheHibby]

Maybe we would vote against it as we feel we are going to miss out on top 6? Taking a stage further perhaps the club believes its too early to call what will happen with the current season therefore vote against it?

[danhibees1875]

It’s not so much withdrawing support. A no vote is a vote to continue the league in August and therefore cut next season short. Be mad to get a season ticket in those circumstances.


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As things stand I would consider a no vote as voting to assess things further down the line. See how things play out over the next month and take it from there.

A yes vote, for us in the premiership, also kicks the can down the road for about a month anyway as we await talks with UEFA - but we'd have a theoretical decision made for the outcome of that discussion.

Neither yes or no decides either way on reconstruction and that remains on the table pretty much indefinitely for now.

In short, I don't think a decision either way is going to tell us much.

[Argylehibby]

It is not LD'S decision.

Correct it will be the boards decision and they will vote on basis of what's best for the health of the club which they are legally bound to do. That will be after considering the wishes of their customers, the fans, however they will have to look at all aspects of this not just the joy of relegating the cheats and keeping the fans happy. Regardless of how we vote it shouldnt be Leann getting the flack or the praise for doing so.

[greenlad]

Seemingly a yes from Hibs

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-vote-favour-spfl-resolution-terminate-1920-season-2535720

[The 90+2]

What could those reasons genuinely be that would appease the angered fans? We would, almost literally, be the only club to vote no who would not have a serious agenda to do so e.g relegation, promotion, stopping 9 in a row

Dinnae ken. 😁

[04Sauzee]

Hibs to vote in favour

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-vote-favour-spfl-resolution-terminate-1920-season-2535720

[Hibs90]

So you'd be withdrawing (some) support?

No. I can support the team without attending games. Which I'm sure you'll know all about.

[Hibs90]

Hibs to vote in favour

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-vote-favour-spfl-resolution-terminate-1920-season-2535720

Good. Well done Hibs.:aok:

[hfc rd]

Hibs to vote in favour

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-vote-favour-spfl-resolution-terminate-1920-season-2535720


Well f****** played Hibs 👍🏽

[NAE NOOKIE]

Again, why is it in our best interests to keep hearts in the league? Derby revenue? That’s it. There’s literally no other reason, one or possibly two derbies at Easter road? So let’s keep them up just for that regardless of them being the worst team in the league and regardless of them constantly overspending, sly digs at our club and manager and acting like pompous ********s since the beginning of time? It’s sod all to do with being scared of hearts either, it’s about gaining advantages over our city rival at a time our new owner has ambitions for us to be undoubtedly the best club in Edinburgh.

At no point in any of my posts on this subject have I said that finance is a factor for me in keeping Hearts in the league, or even suggested that ir should be a factor for Hibs in how we vote, it's been proved time and again that clubs like us can survive without revenue from playing Hearts or either of the uglies for that matter.

The rest of the points you make about Hearts are undeniable and I would be the last person to dare to suggest that they as a club are deserving of any special treatment, or that they don't deserve a good kicking in fact. I'm inclined to doubt that their absence from the league for what would be unlikely to be more than a season would give us any particular advantage over them .... they spent 2 seasons in the premiership without us very recently and a lot of good it did them vis a vis being a more popular club to support than Hibs.

For me as I've already said its about my personal idea of fairness .... not what Hearts as a club or their fanbase would see as an idea of fairness .... and on that basis and that basis alone I can't see the fairness in relegating ANY club, even them, who still had a better than even chance of avoiding relegation through efforts on the pitch. I apply that same approach to Partick Thistle who were still miles from certs to go down.

But I also can't deny that Dundee Utd were certs to win the championship so to deny them promotion would be just as wrong. That is why my preferred option is to end the season now and start again with a 14 team premiership as soon as practically possible .... Hearts place in all of this for me is purely coincidental and I wish to **** it wasn't them in bottom place, because if it wasn't this thread would be half the bloody length it currently is and a hell of a lot more folk would be agreeing with my point of view.

[Barney McGrew]

Hibs to vote in favour

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-vote-favour-spfl-resolution-terminate-1920-season-2535720

Good stuff :greengrin

[Lee Marvin]

No. I can support the team without attending games. Which I'm sure you'll know all about.

Good reply.

Yes, well done the Hibs board. Panic over

[Hibs90]

SPFL response to The Rangers statement;

https://spfl.co.uk/news/board-update-on-rangers-resolution

Also, good. :aok:

[Mr Grieves]

However we vote, we need a clear statement detailing the reasons ala Livingston

[Barney McGrew]

Full on seethe on kickback in 3...2...1.....

[Peevemor]

No. I can support the team without attending games. Which I'm sure you'll know all about.So you'd be changing your level of support?

[Barney McGrew]

However we vote, we need a clear statement detailing the reasons ala Livingston

”We voted yes to relegate Hertz. Get it round ye”

[Peevemor]

Good reply.

Yes, well done the Hibs board. Panic overGood reply because of the dig at me?

[Mr Grieves]

”We voted yes to relegate Hertz. Get it round ye”

Perfect!

[Bishop Hibee]

Just need Ross County to do the right thing now....

[Ozyhibby]

Already got mine.

Thought Budge hadn’t put them on sale yet?[emoji6]


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[ABZHFC]

Well done Hibs :top marks

[Brooster]

However we vote, we need a clear statement detailing the reasons ala Livingston

I dont think we do.

[Big_Franck]

SPFL response to The Rangers statement;

https://spfl.co.uk/news/board-update-on-rangers-resolution

Also, good. :aok:

Good statement from the SPFL and I think that's time I've ever said that. I await our clubs' statement later today.

[GreenCastle]

SPFL response to The Rangers statement;

https://spfl.co.uk/news/board-update-on-rangers-resolution

Also, good. :aok:

Final paragraph..

“The SPFL Board has worked hard to propose a clear way of quickly delivering much-needed fee payments to the 30 clubs in the Ladbrokes Championship, League 1 and League 2.

“The alternative is further weeks, and possibly months, of uncertainty and financial hardship for dozens of clubs which are desperately looking for a way to survive.”

But the two clubs with no money..huns and wee huns seem to keep wanting to drag this out.

Add in the monopoly the Old Firm have with £ in this country and I can’t see the huns even looking at a fair distribution of money to teams below them.

They are both trying to make out it’s about the greater good of Scottish football but realistically they are both as selfish and self centred as they come.

[Paul1642]

Just need Ross County to do the right thing now....

I can’t see why they would vote no. If the season plays on they are far from safe from the drop

[Onion]

Hibs to vote in favour

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-vote-favour-spfl-resolution-terminate-1920-season-2535720

Makes complete sense.

Payments can be made and the SPFL will be ready to wrap things up for the Prem when UEFA call an end to the leagues in 2 weeks time. In the intervening days, they have a good chat about reconstruction for 20/21 to appease those underperforming / poorly managed clubs that are trying to drag our game down due to self-interest.

Now, let's do this and move on from this nonsense.

[Tug Wilson]

Some of the comments and input on this thread depress the hell out of me, not just as a Hibs fan or a fitba fan, but as a human being.

Folk are going on about Hibs being 'soft' if they miss this chance to relegate Hearts, saying all this talk about 'this is our city' is hogwash if we don't make ensuring Hearts are relegated our number one priority. Whatever happened to there being 'class, first class and Hibs class' ..... how much nonsense will that be if the club like half the fans on here make ensuring Hearts go down through a situation that's probably as close to the Zombie apocalypse as we will ever see our number one priority, when the future of our whole game is at stake.

Then you have the ... Hearts wouldn't think twice if the shoe was on the other foot folk ... The whole point is we aren't Hearts, the whole point is that what Hearts would do should never be a factor in how we think and how we act as a club ... or a support for that matter. If we genuinely think that Hearts would delight in taking advantage of what is nothing short of the biggest natural disaster to hit humanity since the 1919 flu pandemic which killed millions to put the boot into Hibs then Hibs doing the same thing would to me make us no better than them.

Then you have the I wont renew brigade, including some posters on here I have a great deal of respect for normally. I've seen comments from some folk saying this is like the Sevco situation and fans of other clubs will join the outrage if any decision made saves Hearts. Well I've got news for them, no it isn't ... to fans of other teams Hearts are just another club, probably not a very popular one for sure if comments I've seen from other fans over the years are to be believed, but to them in this situation just another club ... they will be thinking of their own clubs and hopefully how to ensure football continues with as little damage as possible to every club .... If any decision saves Hearts it wont be anywhere near as big a deal to them as it appears to be to a lot of us .... and to think otherwise is having an inflated idea of our own importance that would do credit to our city neighbours.

If you seriously are talking about damaging Hibs by consciously not renewing your season ticket over this issue then your hatred of Hearts truly does outweigh your love of Hibs. Something we delight in accusing Hearts fans of in reverse all the time .. and yet here we are doing exactly the same thing.

I have on many occasions stated that what Hearts did during the Mercer era was possibly the most disgusting act any football club anywhere could have ever undertaken ... To try and end another club, and even worse a direct rival, by killing them off the pitch should have made Hearts very name a swear word in football, a byword for disgusting underhanded behaviour, even to fans who previously had no thought for them either way, if at all.

In my opinion raving at our club to vote a certain way in an overall decision for Scottish football which will affect not just us, not just Hearts, but the whole future of our game based on no other consideration than how much damage it can do to Hearts, be that deserved payback, karma or whatever when the club in question were in a position where relegation through their efforts on the pitch was a long way from certain is in the same ballpark .... not the same, but the same ballpark ... as what Hearts tried to do to us all those years ago.

The ****ing Yams have always been unbearable with their inflated sense of self importance and entitlement ... nobody least of all me would deny that ... they truly think they are God's gift to the beautiful game. The thought of ramping that up to 11 by handing them the chance to play the martyr as well is a far worse outcome to this situation than any idea of a decision Hibs make keeping them in the premiership.

Rant over GGTTH.

This pretty much sums up how I feel about the situation.

My opinion is that the option to null and void the season is a non starter. It is a fantasy for the Huns to try to stop Celtic win another league title.

Completion of the season would be the best solution if it in itself did not create more issues than it solved. Player contracts, distribution of prize money and the knock on effect on the 20/21 season are all factors that detract from getting the season over later this year. However, the big issue is the new TV deal. The SPFL will be terrified that SKY TV will be looking for a way out of the deal. Protection of this is their main (possibly only) concern.

The clubs ALL realise this even the ones that are posturing and making threats.

League reconstruction is the fudge that some clubs are hoping to save them but this needs discussed and planned properly not rushed through for the benefit of a small handful of clubs.

Also the one season fix only postpones the issue. If you are looking to have a 14 team Premier League next season with 3 teams relegated and 1 in a play off potentially going down then these teams are really going to struggle to cope financially.

Sure put reconstruction on the table and discuss as a future plan. However, if it is not the way forward permanently then it is not the stop gap answer either.

None of the above brings in the emotive issue for Hibs fans that it is Hearts who would lose out. And neither it should.

Take the emotion out of it, look at the facts, then call the leagues as they stand on an average points basis, no play offs, pay out the prize money, even make some additional payments to the clubs losing out on the play offs, relegated sides get usual parachute payments, then plan for next season.

[The 90+2]

At no point in any of my posts on this subject have I said that finance is a factor for me in keeping Hearts in the league, or even suggested that ir should be a factor for Hibs in how we vote, it's been proved time and again that clubs like us can survive without revenue from playing Hearts or either of the uglies for that matter.

The rest of the points you make about Hearts are undeniable and I would be the last person to dare to suggest that they as a club are deserving of any special treatment, or that they don't deserve a good kicking in fact. I'm inclined to doubt that their absence from the league for what would be unlikely to be more than a season would give us any particular advantage over them .... they spent 2 seasons in the premiership without us very recently and a lot of good it did them vis a vis being a more popular club to support than Hibs.

For me as I've already said its about my personal idea of fairness .... not what Hearts as a club or their fanbase would see as an idea of fairness .... and on that basis and that basis alone I can't see the fairness in relegating ANY club, even them, who still had a better than even chance of avoiding relegation through efforts on the pitch. I apply that same approach to Partick Thistle who were still miles from certs to go down.

But I also can't deny that Dundee Utd were certs to win the championship so to deny them promotion would be just as wrong. That is why my preferred option is to end the season now and start again with a 14 team premiership as soon as practically possible .... Hearts place in all of this for me is purely coincidental and I wish to **** it wasn't them in bottom place, because if it wasn't this thread would be half the bloody length it currently is and a hell of a lot more folk would be agreeing with my point of view.

Sound no bother mate! 💚

[The 90+2]

Well done Hibs :top marks

This 👍

[The Harp Awakes]

SPFL response to The Rangers statement;

https://spfl.co.uk/news/board-update-on-rangers-resolution

Also, good. :aok:

Rangers at it again then. They only submitted their proposal to the SPFL at 10:18 pm. What a disgrace of a Club they are.

[Hibs90]

Good reply because of the dig at me?

Hardly a dig. Suppose you'll be gutted Hibs have voted yes then?

[NAE NOOKIE]

Hibs to vote in favour

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-vote-favour-spfl-resolution-terminate-1920-season-2535720

Which is fine by me, I'm sure it will be done in good faith for what Hibs see as what's best for us and the game in general. As things stand it's bad news for Hearts and the other clubs at the bottom of each division. It also can't be ignored that by doing so Hibs have accepted 7th place with less prize money when a higher position was still obtainable, so we can hardly be accused of pure self interest.

The bigger picture is what happens next ...... For me as I've said that has to be league reconstruction and I'm far more interested to see how any proposal for that is received than today's vote.

[Peevemor]

Hardly a dig. Suppose you'll be gutted Hibs have voted yes then?No. Try paying attention.

[DaveF]

Which is fine by me, I'm sure it will be done in good faith for what Hibs see as what's best for us and the game in general. As things stand it's bad news for Hearts and the other clubs at the bottom of each division.

The bigger picture is what happens next ...... For me as I've said that has to be league reconstruction and I'm far more interested to see how any proposal for that is received than today's vote.

I don't get the clamour for league reconstruction at all.

Oh, and good on Hibs for doing the right thing.

[B.H.F.C]

Which is fine by me, I'm sure it will be done in good faith for what Hibs see as what's best for us and the game in general. As things stand it's bad news for Hearts and the other clubs at the bottom of each division. It also can't be ignored that by doing so Hibs have accepted 7th place with less prize money when a higher position was still obtainable, so we can hardly be accused of pure self interest.

The bigger picture is what happens next ...... For me as I've said that has to be league reconstruction and I'm far more interested to see how any proposal for that is received than today's vote.

No danger reconstruction gets through. Teams aren’t going to vote to receive less money on the back of all this.

[Lee Marvin]

Which is fine by me, I'm sure it will be done in good faith for what Hibs see as what's best for us and the game in general. As things stand it's bad news for Hearts and the other clubs at the bottom of each division.

The bigger picture is what happens next ...... For me as I've said that has to be league reconstruction and I'm far more interested to see how any proposal for that is received than today's vote.

Me too. I am also far more vehemently opposed to Hibs voting for that than today's vote.

[Hibs90]

https://i.gyazo.com/5312fb0b1bb0bac98a1a25170100c8cf.png

From keekback,

What a tosser.

[JeMeSouviens]

Good statement from the SPFL and I think that's time I've ever said that. I await our clubs' statement later today.

The "for the avoidance of doubt" they slipped in was a nice touch. :wink:

:lolrangers:

[Jay]

Given that I dont know the actual impact any decision has on Hibs, how much we have lost or how much we will get , the impact on staff etc I'm happy if Leeann makes the right decision for Hibs regardless who is at the top and bottom of the table and we have to trust her on that.

If hearts do go down itll always be the season they were hard done by in their eyes. I'd rather they had done it themselves by finishing the season but its unlikely. They are gonna end up with a lot of sympathy which rips ma knitting considering they were heading down anyway.

[DaveF]

https://i.gyazo.com/5312fb0b1bb0bac98a1a25170100c8cf.png

From keekback,

What a tosser.

His club would be one of the first to go bust.

[Since452]

St Mirren vote yes

[JeMeSouviens]

No danger reconstruction gets through. Teams aren’t going to vote to receive less money on the back of all this.

:agree:

Getting agreement to do it at all, on any timescale, would be a huge challenge. In a couple of months, in the middle of a crisis? Not happening.

[DaveF]

Given that I dont know the actual impact any decision has on Hibs, how much we have lost or how much we will get , the impact on staff etc I'm happy if Leeann makes the right decision for Hibs regardless who is at the top and bottom of the table and we have to trust her on that.

If hearts do go down itll always be the season they were hard done by in their eyes. I'd rather they had done it themselves by finishing the season but its unlikely. They are gonna end up with a lot of sympathy which rips ma knitting considering they were heading down anyway.

They have been rotten for a year. It's no accident they are bottom so don't let any hearts fans try the 'poor me' rubbish.

[Bostonhibby]

His club would be one of the first to go bust.Indeed, look what they achieved so far with all that extra money [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

Duncan Murray must be wishing he'd never become associated with these dullards.

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[Onion]

Rangers at it again then. They only submitted their proposal to the SPFL at 10:18 pm. What a disgrace of a Club they are.

The Rangers are just incompetent fools - best ignored.

[GreenCastle]

https://i.gyazo.com/5312fb0b1bb0bac98a1a25170100c8cf.png

From keekback,

What a tosser.

You can’t qualify for the Champions League in the Championship!

The irony...

[Bostonhibby]

The Rangers are just incompetent fools - best ignored.If they don't like it they could always do walking away again.

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[hfc rd]

St Mirren vote yes


If I’m right, that just leaves Ross County left to vote? Surely they would yes as well as that’s them safe from relegation which would have obviously been their target for this season.